From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:11:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07312; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:11:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29903; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:08:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29897; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:08:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6FK-00000AC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nsroh@juno.kaist.ac.kr (Roh Nam-Seok) Subject: Forcing encoding type Date: 1 Dec 1994 04:29:17 GMT Message-Id: <3bjjet$bdk@news.kreonet.re.kr> Status: O X-Status: I am using PINE 3.89 in Linux system. Pine encodes sending mail automatically depending on its text content. I use 8 bit text (Korean Hangul) for sending mail and since it's full 8 bit, pine encodes it to BASE64. If english content is larger than hangul, it encodes to QUOTED-PRINTABLE. I don't want hangul TEXT mail encoded neither BASE64 nor QUOTED-PRINTABLE when sending my mail, because most of others in my country doesn't recognize these format. So, I want to disable this coding system in pine. Or force conding to 8 Bit. Is there any solution? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Roh Nam-Seok@MS&E.KAIST.KOREA nsroh@juno.kaist.ac.kr nsroh@chiak.kaist.ac.kr ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:36:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07756; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:36:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27211; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:33:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27205; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:33:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6f3-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rascott@nmsu.edu (Randy A. Scott) Subject: screen scroll size Date: 1 Dec 1994 07:58:10 GMT Message-Id: <3bjvmi$mg@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: When you hit space when reading a message in PINE, it gives you the next screenful. However the last two lines of the previous screen become the first two lines of the new screen. I know most people like this effect because it lends to continuity, but it drives me crazy. I invariably start reading the first line expecting to be getting new information. I don't care for the "deja vu all over again" effect. Is there a setting for this in 3.91? I couldn't find one. I'm not keen on recompiling it for this one nit. ras -- ---+--------------------------------------+----------------------------+ / Randy A. Scott rascott@nmsu.edu / Never attribute to malice / / WWW: http://rever.nmsu.edu/~ras/ / that which is adequately / / CompuServe: 72002,2746 1:305/102 / explained by stupidity. / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 00:59:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08535; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:59:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00706; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:55:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00700; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:55:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rD6yl-00000aC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 00:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: arice@dorsai.dorsai.org () Subject: what is pcpine? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 07:40:53 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hi Can anyone tell me what is pcpine? how to get it? thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 02:41:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10970; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:41:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28866; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28860; Thu, 1 Dec 94 02:31:03 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:27:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:27:23 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Randy A. Scott" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: screen scroll size In-Reply-To: <3bjvmi$mg@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Randy A. Scott wrote: > When you hit space when reading a message in PINE, it gives you the next > screenful. However the last two lines of the previous screen become the > first two lines of the new screen. I know most people like this effect > because it lends to continuity, but it drives me crazy. I invariably > start reading the first line expecting to be getting new information. I > don't care for the "deja vu all over again" effect. > > Is there a setting for this in 3.91? I couldn't find one. I'm not keen > on recompiling it for this one nit. Sorry to tell you....it is a compile time setting.... In os.h /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- In scrolling through text, the number of lines from the previous screen to overlap when showing the next screen. Usually set to two. ----*/ #define OVERLAP (2) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:17:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15071; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:17:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01135; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:08:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01129; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDAuW-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Subject: My phquery loops forever Date: 1 Dec 1994 15:33:03 +0800 Message-Id: <3bju7f$2tv2@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Status: O X-Status: Currently testing phquery on qi server The command is: phquery -d -f sender@hkbc.hk receiver@hkbc.hk < /dev/null It appears to get the record for me okay. However after that, it seems to go on looking and go into a loop (as seen by the TIME field on ps -ef | grep phquery) Not sure about the versions of qi and phquery (the latter I got recently from IDA sendmail archive and the former I got it installed over a year ago) Do the versions matter ? -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) CTSC [User User User User User User User User Us] Hong Kong Baptist University [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:29:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15366; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:29:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04239; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:19:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04233; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:19:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDB0h-00000JC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nick Boris Subject: Read Rcpt: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:33:23 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We have been having wierd STMP problems with our system (Papaya went on vacation -- don't ask!) and managed to go from Turkey Day through yesterday with about a 20% mail loss. This is not due to Pine (ooh, gotta love it!) but something else. Pine saves to sent-mail or wherever and then...IT DISSAPPEARS. My SysAdmin mentioned that he found a line that you can add to the header (user-definable header) that will send a 'Letter Read Receipt' to the sender. He blieved that this was recognized by all but SUN/Solaris (ICK!) systems. (Hey, we've got BSD, change a letter and you've got....Kind-a makes it fun) IF we were ablt to put this in our headers (not everyone's...really just mine) we could keep tabs on what is going out and what isn't and try to find the problem (which we haven't) If anyone knows the syntax for this please let me/us know. Please help and excuse my annoying nature. I spend too much time in front of the computer and don't get to talk to enough real people! Thank you in advance, Nick nmboris@artsci.wustl.edu http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~nmboris/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 05:30:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15449; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:30:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01299; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:20:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01293; Thu, 1 Dec 94 05:20:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDB0Y-00000EC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: help! carriage return problems? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:22:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bgsvs$r90@larry.rice.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 30 Nov 1994, Robert Allan Sutton wrote: > I'd be very interested in hearing if this actually fixes the problem. We have > noticed the exact same symptoms here on one of our BSDI systems. The problem > only occurs from certain Macintosh clients. However, those same clients can > connect to other systems with no problems, and other machines can connect to > our BSDI system and run pine (and pico) with no problems. Perhaps someone > (Mark?) could explain just exactly what it is that is broken in the NeXT > telnetd and whether the problem has also been seen elesewhere. I looked at > file Mark mentions above, however it does not include any explanation or > source code or I might try to compile it here. If anyone has any insights as > to what is going on, I would be very appreciative. Several years ago, a buggy version of the telnet daemon was released on BSD systems. NeXT systems are distributed with version 5.45 of 6/28/90 which is one of the buggy versions. By version 5.48 of 3/1/91, this bug was fixed. The bug is that the broken telnetd version converts the Internet newline sequence CR LF into LF, apparently in a misguided notion of converting it to UNIX newline. Because of this UNIX telnetd bug, many Telnet clients do not send Internet newlines. They send CR NUL, which is the Telnet protocol command to send a raw CR. Other Telnet clients, such as the Mac ones you mention, follow the spec and send Internet newlines when the user hits return. It must be emphasized that there is nothing wrong with the Mac clients; they are doing the right thing and it is the UNIX servers that are broken. Furthermore, this bug was fixed years ago, so it is only the extreme laziness of vendors such as NeXT that this bug still persists. If your UNIX system still has this bug, you might want to ask its vendor what other bugs you have due to their callousness. The telnetd binary that I distribute on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server comes from netbsd sources on CD-ROM. The only change which I made to the source was to insert a workaround to the process group handling, necessary because NeXT broke the tty driver in 3.1 (still broken in 3.2). My recommendation to fix your BSDI system is to get any of the UNIX CD-ROMs with telnetd sources, and build your own copy of a modern telnetd. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:25:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16498; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:25:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02064; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02058; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:22 -0800 Received: from RS2.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07749; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:17:21 -0800 Received: by rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14629; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:17:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul S. Drake" To: pine info Subject: undigest Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does pine 3.91 have the capability to seperate a digested mail message into individual mail messages similar to the undigestify-rmail-message command in GNU emacs? Paul S. Drake Naval Undersea Warfare Center drake@rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:27:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16597; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:27:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02021; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:14:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02015; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:14:07 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:10:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:10:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Nick Boris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Read Rcpt: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Nick Boris wrote: > My SysAdmin mentioned that he found a line that you can add to the header > (user-definable header) that will send a 'Letter Read Receipt' to the > sender. He blieved that this was recognized by all but SUN/Solaris (ICK!) > systems. (Hey, we've got BSD, change a letter and you've got....Kind-a > makes it fun) IF we were ablt to put this in our headers (not > everyone's...really just mine) we could keep tabs on what is going out > and what isn't and try to find the problem (which we haven't) > > If anyone knows the syntax for this please let me/us know. There is no "standard" for either a "delivery receipt" or "read receipt". Many a sendmail implementation will process the: Return-Receipt-To: head which can be thought of as a "delivery receipt" But you can't trust that will work all of the time. The idea of a "delivery receipt" needs to be implemented on the MTA level since it is the MTA that is responsible for delivery. Once a mail is delivered it is the task of the User Agent (UA) to present the contents of the mail to you. Thus, if a "read" receipt were to be implemented it would need to be implemented at the UA level since only the UA would have a reasonable chance to determine if the letter was opened. (Please note that *no* UA or any software can determine if the letter has been "read".) Some UAs do implement a "read" receipt. However, the scheme only works when individuals are using the UA at both ends. Even then, some vendors change the way they implement the feature between versions! Bottom line....forget "read" receipts. > Please help and excuse my annoying nature. I spend too much time in front > of the computer and don't get to talk to enough real people! Truer words were never spoken.... :-) :-) Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 06:39:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16824; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:39:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05070; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:23:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05064; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:23:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDC76-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 06:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) Date: 1 Dec 1994 06:01:56 GMT Message-Id: <3bjosk$m4k@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: David L Miller writes: >You can also specify a folder-collection of > *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] Why is it that this shows up in my folder list as a "News-collection," i.e.: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- News-collection (Remote) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why isn't it a "Folder-collection"? Also, this particular mailing list is linked to the newsgroup comp.internet.net-happenings, so if you have access to newsgroups then you may prefer to read this as a newsgroup. Does anyone know if the link between the net-happenings mailing list and newsgroup is bidirectional? Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 09:59:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25089; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:59:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09071; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:49:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09063; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:49:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDFKG-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [HELP] printing a postscript file Date: 1 Dec 1994 15:43:46 GMT Message-Id: <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) writes: >I would like to print a postscript file from pine to my postscript >printer at home. Can you tell me how would I do it? First export the message and edit it so that the first line looks like this (it might say a different version): %!PS-Adobe-1.0 Then, at your unix prompt type: ansiprt < filename.ps Or, if that doesn't work and ansiprint is installed, try this: ansiprint filename.ps And if that doesn't work try a different comm program. On my system, the above two work when I'm using DOS Kermit but don't work when I use Delrina's WinComm (but if anyone knows how to get them to work with WinComm I'd love to know!). If you still can't print a postscript file directly from your Unix account you can download them to your PC (if you have a PC) and then use either of the following to print the postscript file: copy filename.ps lpt1 type filename.ps > lpt1 Or open filename.ps up inside of DOS Edit and choose Print from the File menu. I hope one of these works for you. Postscript printers are great! -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 10:18:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26179; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:18:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09626; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09620; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:12:52 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:06:21 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA106975; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:14:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Chuck Coronella Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes - please! -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: > With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant > demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be > switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for > OS/2 are clearly inadequate. > > Please, please please! > > Chuck Coronella > Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department > University of Nevada, Reno > coronell@pogonip.unr.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 11:12:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28734; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:12:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08306; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:05:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08300; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:05:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDGUz-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: igbf@unixfe.rl.ac.uk (Ivan Fabian) Subject: Can pine be configd to talk POP Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:15:58 GMT Message-Id: <3bl0ce$1eih@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: Can I use pine to talk to a POP server. We will eventually have an IMAP server but until then I need POP. Thanks for any help Ivan Fabian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 11:54:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01004; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11795; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:39:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11789; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:39:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDGyb-00000CC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: maburak@nmsu.edu (Mary Burak) Subject: pine3.91 drops core Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:53:15 GMT Message-Id: <3bl2ib$hc7@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Status: O X-Status: I recently installed pine3.91 and everything seemed to be OK. But, the next day, I recieved notification of 16 core files dropped because of pine. Does anyone know why this happens? Please send email to maburak@nmsu.edu. Thanks in advance. -- Mary Burak maburak@nmsu.edu Workstation Support Center Computing and Networking Technologies Organization New Mexico State University, Las Cruces http://www.nmsu.edu/demo_page/test.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 12:06:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01790; Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:06:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09463; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09457; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:54:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDHFB-00000EC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: faridf6@cti.ecp.fr (Farzad Farid) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 1 Dec 1994 09:58:52 GMT Message-Id: <3bk6os$ah8@piston.ecp.fr> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> <3bhn3e$juu@piston.ecp.fr> <3bhsj5$5dm@anshar.shadow.net> Status: O X-Status: michael alan dorman (mdorman@shadow.net) wrote: > Um, what compiler were you using? I use C/Set++, and wouldn't want > to continue this if it meant working with emx/gcc -- not that I have > anything against emx, it's just that I don't have enough diskspace > to keep two compilers around. Yes right :) I used emx/gcc because it's the best compiler for porting quickly a unix application. And that's exactly what I did without having to modify a lot of code. If you want to have a look a the code ask Don Loflin , I gave him the sources. Maybe you can ftp them there as I cannot set an FTP server myself my machine is too unstable. Farzad -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Farzad FARID | | faridf6@cti.ecp.fr Ecole Centrale Paris | | | | There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: | | LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence | | Jeremy S. Anderson | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 15:41:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11473; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:41:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17188; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:33:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17182; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:33:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDKjh-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: majidi@umdnj.edu (Masoud Majidi) Subject: documentation for pico Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:04:01 GMT Status: O X-Status: we are using pico as a standalone program/editor and I was wondering if anyone could point me to a place that I could some documentation for it. I have lots of documentaiton for pine and in some of them pico is briefly (very briefly) mentioned. If you have some on-line documentaion or know a place where I can find it, I'd greatly appreciate it if you would let me know. Thanks in advance, -- Masoud Majidi Internet: majidi@umdnj.edu Academic Computing Services Voice: (908) 235-4839 Univ of Medicine & Dentistry of NJ Fax: (908) 235-5252 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:22:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13963; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:22:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18355; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:17:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18349; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:17:20 -0800 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA27590 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:17:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:17:18 -0600 From: Dave Rasmussen Message-Id: <199412020017.SAA27590@opus.csd.uwm.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine and unixware? Status: O X-Status: Anyone had any luck whittling at pine to make it build on unixware instead of dying at addrbook.c? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:53:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15424; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16504; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:47:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16498; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:47:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDLoc-00000DC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov (Randy Scott Kreuziger) Message-Id: <9412012201.AA03576@dfw.wa.gov> Subject: How to send to multiple users? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 14:01:43 PST Status: O X-Status: Hi, i'm a PINE novice trying to convert my mail aliases over to PINE. How do you convert a group alias? Example, my mail alias is: alias gisusers randy ron tom bob I do not have usenet access so please send via email and I will post a summary! Also, is there any good PINE documentation? Thanks again. Randy Kreuziger (kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov) Wash Dept of Fish and Wildlife (206) 664-3751 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 16:58:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15645; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:58:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19137; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19131; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:53:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDLyU-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Pine-3.91 first beta test for VMS Message-Id: <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 1 Dec 94 21:23:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: Pine 3.91 first beta release for VMS (VAX and AXP) is available from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL:/Local/Pine_3_91_beta_1.ZIP (use binary mode...). This version does not support message postponing nor FCC can be used. IMAPD is not available yet - use the one from the 3.89 release found at the same place. The README file is in [.CONTRIB.VMS] directory. The package contains the procedures to compile and the objects. If you want only to relink look at the bottom of [.PINE]VMSBUILD.COM and link it manually. This version does not have Hebrew support. Good luck, __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 18:57:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19092; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:57:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18656; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:48:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18650; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:48:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDNoB-00000DC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:07:44 -0600 Message-Id: <3bl3dg$cfm@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: I love the newly-implented ';' select mode in Pine 3.9x. It's made dealing with mailing-list email tractable finally. But I keep wishing there was some way for Pine to 'remember' the multiple select commands I have to enter to isolate the messages of a particular mailing list. For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. That's a lot of keystrokes. And I have to enter them at least every time I run Pine. And I'm on quite a few mailing lists, not just that one. My request is for a 'macro' capability, whereby I could hit say, '#' and a macro-name (i.e using ^T to browse and so on), which would execute the select commands. For that matter, this might as well be a general macro facility for any commands - then I could write one to not only select the messages, but save them and expunge them. Gosh, that sounds like mail filtering! For the (hopefully small) price of adding macros. Some of you will say "just use procmail". I can't. My mail server doesn't let me log in interactively - I can only access it via IMAP or POP3 (and I like it that way!). Besides, I like seeing *all* messages in one place, in case there's someting recent that catches my eye, before parceling them off to their own folders (where I then sort by subject). Opinions, criticism welcome. Flamers, go get a fire extinguisher :-) --- Don Loflin Microcomputer Technologies, // DISCLAIMER: I do not represent Computation Center - UT Austin // the views of my employer, nor loflin@mail.utexas.edu // am I acting officially for them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:00:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19201; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:00:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21268; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:53:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21262; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:53:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDNpJ-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: loflin@sirius.cc.utexas.edu (Don Loflin) Subject: Compose in PCPine w/o remote folder open Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:12:24 -0600 Message-Id: <3bl3m8$ckb@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: I found this quote in the Pine tech-notes: By popular demand of system administrators, PC- Pine has been modified to prevent sending messages until the user has successfully logged into a remote mail server. That's all good and well, but I think the implementation of this in PC-Pine 3.91 needs to be changed. It won't even allow you to *compose* a message unless you've got a folder open! That's a big problem if you're using Pine on a laptop outdoors and don't happen to have a wireless modem.. I agree with disallowing the sending of messages without a remote folder open in PC-Pine. However, PC-Pine has the potential for basic disconnected operation by simply allowing Composing and Postponing (to a local folder) of messages when no connection is up. What I really want to be able to do is download a mail folder (or even just several messages) to my palmtop and then take it elsewhere (without a modem) to compose replies to the messages. When I'm ready to send, I'll plug it into a modem or even LAN card and punch ^X. Can the Pine developers point me to the right place in the source code to re-allow composing w/o a connection? For now, I'll settle for "allowing sending" without a remote folder open; I'm pretty sure I'm not going to try to forge email, but I'm impatient to sit in park to write email :-) --Don Loflin loflin@mail.utexas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:52:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20251; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:52:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21991; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:45:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21985; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:45:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDOcm-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ryan Bradford Neily Subject: Putting Admin in AdressBook? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:02:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so that they may mail me with problems. What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? Ryan Bradford Neily Phone1: 912-871-3457 Georgia Southern University Phone2: 404-565-3087 ACM Vice President Data/Fax/BBS: 912-871-3885 Member Team Os/2! Internet: rbn@gsu.cs.GaSoU.edu Fidonet: 1@1:18/3 VNet: 2@1912110 GAT/GCS d++ p+(++) c++ l u++ e++ m* s+/- n-(--) h-- f++ !g w+ t--- r-- x+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 19:57:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20346; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:57:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19537; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:51:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19531; Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:51:26 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:47:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:47:38 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Don Loflin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) In-Reply-To: <3bl3dg$cfm@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Don Loflin wrote: > I love the newly-implented ';' select mode in Pine 3.9x. It's made > dealing with mailing-list email tractable finally. But I keep wishing > there was some way for Pine to 'remember' the multiple select commands > I have to enter to isolate the messages of a particular mailing list. > > For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably > high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using > To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T > tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. That's a lot of > keystrokes. And I have to enter them at least every time I run Pine. > And I'm on quite a few mailing lists, not just that one. > > My request is for a 'macro' capability, whereby I could hit say, '#' > and a macro-name (i.e using ^T to browse and so on), which would > execute the select commands. For that matter, this might as well be a > general macro facility for any commands - then I could write one to not > only select the messages, but save them and expunge them. Gosh, that > sounds like mail filtering! For the (hopefully small) price of adding > macros. I've not given it a try, (I use procmail.. :-) :-) ) , I wonder if the "pine -I" would be of value? You could make up a series of alias commands (i.e. pine.tcp) that would alias to the appropriate "pine -I" command that would perform the keystrokes necessary to perform the functions that your describe. I realize it is a bit "clunky" and your suggestion is better...but in the mean time..... Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 21:08:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21781; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:08:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20541; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:04:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20535; Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:04:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDPsX-000008C; Thu, 1 Dec 94 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Winnall Subject: mailcap and pine Date: 30 Nov 1994 16:09:37 GMT Message-Id: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: Could someone tell me why Pine ignores the following mailcap entry? text/x-pgp;/usr/local/bin/pgp -f < %s;needsterminal Exactly the same file works fine with metamail. I have set up $MAILCAPS to point at the file. Pine resolutely ignores all my mailcap entries in versions 3.90 and 3.91 under Solaris 2.3 and in WIN-OS/2. Clearly I am doing something fundamentally wrong, but I don't know what. HELP??? Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 23:17:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24391; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:17:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24593; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:14:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24587; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:14:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDRtU-00000AC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: randy@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Randy Kreuziger) Subject: Problem with local Unix mail and network Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 05:11:04 GMT Status: O X-Status: We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with PINE. Any ideas? Mail comes back with an error 554 whatever that is. At least with the Unix mail command I can sned local mail even if I can't stand it for reading email. I'm no longer at this internet address so please send suggestions to kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov thanks. randy kreuziger Washing Dept. of Fish and Wildlife From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 1 23:54:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25128; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:54:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25025; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:51:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25019; Thu, 1 Dec 94 23:51:16 -0800 Received: by dutw1.wbmt.tudelft.nl id AA00531 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:50:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:50:55 +0100 (MET) From: Tjeerd Jongeling X-Sender: tjeerd@dutw1 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Also my problem: Putting Admin in AdressBook? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Ryan Bradford Neily wrote: > I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so > that they may mail me with problems. > > What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it > working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? I have a look-a-like problem (on SunOS.4.1.1). Introducing 'bugs-fullname' and 'bugs-address' in pine.conf and/or pine.conf.fixed has no effect. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 00:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26614; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23547; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23541; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDTN9-00000NC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: [HELP] printing a postscript file Date: 2 Dec 1994 02:47:02 GMT Message-Id: <3bm1r6$g0j@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: thang@donald.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Thang M Nguyen) writes: >I would like to print a postscript file from pine to my postscript >printer at home. Can you tell me how would I do it? In order for the postscript file to be printed on your postscript printer the first line needs to start with something like this (it might say a different version): %!PS-Adobe-1.0 Note that after this there will be lots of other postscript code too. So you need to remove the headers and any blank lines and non-postscript text before sending it to your printer. There are a number of ways to do this. An elegant solution is to type V to view attachments and then type the pipe character followed by "ansiprt" (or a similar command like "lpansi" or "ansiprint"). The brute force way is to first export (E) the message and then edit out the headers and any non-postscript text, and then send it to your printer using one of the following. At your unix prompt type: ansiprt < filename.ps Or, if that doesn't work and ansiprint is installed, try this: ansiprint filename.ps And if that doesn't work try a different comm program. On my system, the above two work when I'm using DOS Kermit but don't work when I use Delrina's WinComm (but if anyone knows how to get them to work with WinComm I'd love to know!). If you still can't print a postscript file directly from your Unix account you can download them to your PC (if you have a PC) and then use either of the following to print the postscript file: copy filename.ps lpt1 type filename.ps > lpt1 Or open filename.ps up inside of DOS Edit and choose Print from the File menu. I hope one of these works for you. Postscript printers are great! -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 00:55:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26646; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:55:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25845; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25839; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:51:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDTNJ-00000OC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nancym@chinook.halcyon.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> Control: cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> Date: 2 Dec 1994 02:47:11 GMT Message-Id: <3bm1rf$g0o@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: cancel <3bkqvi$t3k@news.halcyon.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 02:48:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29494; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:48:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27323; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27316; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVEc-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: unger@raindrop.seaslug.org (Tom Unger) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:05:30 GMT Message-Id: <1994Nov30.170530.21842@raindrop.seaslug.org> References: <3bfflf$cst@anshar.shadow.net> <3bfk4b$p99@sirius.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: Don Loflin wrote: >>If I were Chuck, I might ask the PINE authors if they've had any experience >>using one of the several versions of PINE with IBM's TCP/IP for DOS. None >>of them are explicitly listed as such. I also have not explored the DOS >>Box interface enough to know if it conforms to something standard like >>the pktdvr interface, but I suspect it might not. One of our user did try the windows version of pine under OS/2 (2.1?). He reported several unusual problems. Many, but perhaps not all, went away when he reinstalled OS/2. I'ld be curious to hear how wpine works with the new OS/2 Getting pine to work under OS/2 has not been a high priority. I'm not even sure there is a OS/2 host that I could test on. Thomas Unger Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington, Seattle -- -- Tom Unger WWC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 02:51:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29586; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:51:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25066; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25060; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVAS-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: spencer.fritz@techtalk.com Message-Id: <9412020101.A4371wk@techtalk.com> Subject: BINARY Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 01:01:36 Status: O X-Status: >From ICF-2010-request@cup.hp.com Thu Dec 1 22:45:31 1994 Received: from onet2.cup.hp.com (daemon@onet2.cup.hp.com [15.255.208.3]) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA05736 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:45:31 -0500 Received: by onet2.cup.hp.com (1.37.109.14.1/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA203467813; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:10:13 -0800 Errors-To: ICF-2010-errors@cup.hp.com Sender: Precedence: bulk X-Info: Accepted by ICF-2010 distribution list at Thu Dec 1 19:10:13 PST 1994 X-Info: Submissions to ICF-2010@cup.hp.com X-Info: Change requests to ICF-2010-request@cup.hp.com Received: from shark10.math.umass.edu by onet2.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.14.1/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA203257808; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:10:08 -0800 Received: from thales (thales [128.119.47.21]) by shark10.math.umass.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA11611 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:00:55 -0500 Received: by thales (5.51/SMI-3.2) id AA01801; Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:00:53 EST Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 22:00:53 EST From: jimw@math.umass.edu (Jim Weigang) Message-Id: <9412020300.AA01801@thales> To: icf-2010@cup.hp.com Subject: Re: 2010 evolution ? My 2010 picks up interference on 455 kHz with the external antenna unplugged, but it stops when I plug anything into the AM antenna socket, including a adapter plug with nothing connected to it, or the supplied wire antenna all coiled up and set atop the radio (which you'd think would pick up any radiation from the radio). The set is serial number 303337, bought in August '89, and it has both Kiwa filters installed. The front end isn't blown (last time I checked), but the radio is deafer than some. (A friend's newer one is noticeably more sensitive.) My radio produces another spurious noise when it's turned up loud in Sync or SSB mode (7 or more on a strong station). Some vibration-sensitive component produces a signal in response to vibration from the speaker, resulting a howl of feedback. You can hear sound produced by the component at lower volumes by tapping on the case. By tapping around inside the radio with the back off, I could tell that the component is inside a metal box on the lower right corner of the main circuit board (as you face the back of the radio), but I didn't feel like unsoldering the box. (This is the AM VCO 1 section.) My friend's radio is also vibration-sensitive, but not enough to cause feedback. Has anybody else noticed this problem and figured out how to fix it? (Foam on the mounting clips didn't help.) Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 03:12:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00247; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:12:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25342; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:07:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:07:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDVUW-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 02:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hllywood@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_user) Subject: Where's INBOX? Date: 2 Dec 1994 10:09:47 GMT Message-Id: <3bmrpb$1i3@aladdin.iii.org.tw> Status: O X-Status: I'm using PINE and I can't find the INBOX file. It's supposed to be under the "mail" folder/directory, but I looked everywhere and couldn't find it. Respond to: hllywood@tpts1.seed.net.tw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 03:57:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:57:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28173; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:52:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28167; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:52:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWG2-00000JC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 03:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tonyl@au.mdis.com (Tony Lorimer) Subject: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 2 Dec 1994 05:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Status: O X-Status: Hi All Pine Users, Has anyone had the following problem: I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the error message: "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the users mailbox. My PINE version is 3.91 Has anyone else had this problem ????. Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. Please _HELP_ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:28:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02651; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:28:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28897; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28891; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWnD-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Suggestion: flag for inclusion of file for edit Date: 2 Dec 1994 07:11:54 GMT Message-Id: <3bmhbq$kks@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: It would be *wonderful* if Pine were to have a flag, like Elm's -i flag, that would allow it to start up in composition mode with a preloaded file in editing. This would allow us to use Pine's composition screen to compose replies to news, even if we do not use Pine's newsreader. It would also facilitate the use of Pine for filling out forms to be sent via email. It seems like a fairly simple feature change. In Elm it was added as part of a mostly bug-fix release, it didn't add much extra code at all. Thanks! -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:30:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02688; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:30:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26541; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26535; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:25:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDWkT-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: mailcap and pine Date: 2 Dec 1994 07:04:30 GMT Message-Id: <3bmgtu$kj9@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com>, Stephen Winnall wrote: >Could someone tell me why Pine ignores the following >mailcap entry? > > text/x-pgp;/usr/local/bin/pgp -f < %s;needsterminal I found this out when I tried to set text/html to start lynx. So long as the text in question is 7-bit clean, Pine assumes you would rather read any text attachment from within Pine rather than have Pine start up a viewer. Silly, perhaps. But what content types to handle and which to outsource to the mailcap viewers is an important design decision in any program which uses MIME. Some programs go too far the other way. For example, lynx will happily observe a mailcap incantation telling it to invoke lynx to read text/html, which will observe the mailcap line and invoke lynx, which will invoke lynx, which will invoke lynx... -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 04:31:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02770; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:31:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28927; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:26:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28921; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:26:35 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <24972-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:20:53 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA08840; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:26:55 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Tony Lorimer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing In-Reply-To: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I think you'll find it is indeed an interation between Pine and the POP server. POP mail clients check for new mail by periodically connecting to the POP server. This will grab the mail folder lock from any other process (IMAP server, POP server or Pine session). When this happens the Pine user will be notified that the mail folder has become read-only (but the message will incorrectly say it is another Pine session ... in fact it is just another mail client). Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 2 Dec 1994, Tony Lorimer wrote: > Hi All Pine Users, > > Has anyone had the following problem: > > I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our > network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new > mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. > My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the > error message: > "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." > > Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the > users mailbox. > > My PINE version is 3.91 > > Has anyone else had this problem ????. > Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. > > Please _HELP_ > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 > MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 > Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 05:05:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03731; Fri, 2 Dec 94 05:05:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26947; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:55:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26941; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:55:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDXGJ-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 04:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Multiple Fcc Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:31:06 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: One of my users has requested the following feature. It strikes me as icing on the cake, but I would be interested in other people's views. He finds that he wants to have multiple copies of outgoing mail in different folders, and would like an easier way to do that than repeatedly Saving. His suggestion is that he be allowed comma delimited notation in the Fcc field, with the interpretation that it is a list of folders to be written to. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 07:06:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06616; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:06:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01243; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:00:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01237; Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:00:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDZAb-00000QC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 06:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calimero@lcco.u-strasbg.fr (Guy BRAND) Subject: Re: Eudora still binhexes Date: 2 Dec 1994 14:34:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bnbaj$kmv@thot.u-strasbg.fr> Status: O X-Status: -- Hi all, I'm not usually using Eudora, but I've read in one of the last mails posted in this group that Eudora was still Binhexing the binary files even when the AppleDouble encoding was chosen from the "mail composition window" in version 1.4.3 and it was suggested that this was a kind of "bug". This is false ! You can send binary files using AppleDouble format from the mail composition window and selecting Attach Document from the Mail menu. If you want the file to be sent properly you also have to uncheck the "send as document" (= send as Mac Document) option available from the popup menu. Than it works. A GIF file sent by Eudora 1.4.3 to my station can be viewed with xv within Pine. IT works properly. Headers are : Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_30353244==_" X-Mailer: Eudora F1.4.3 AppleDouble selected + Send as (Mac) Document unselected + Quote Printable Of course, good things to do by default in Eudora would be : 1 - uncheck the "send as document" option 2 - check the Quoted-Printable option 3 - prefer AppleDouble instead of BinHex as encoding format It's pretty nice to read Pine related news from this group so could we follow this discussion in comp.mail ? Bye Guy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guy BRAND guybrand@chimie.u-strasbg.fr Centre de Recherche Chimie ULP Strasbourg (FRANCE) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 11:21:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17481; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:21:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04177; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:16:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04171; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:16:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDd5r-00000IC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hagberg@mail.med.cornell.edu (Eric C Hagberg) Subject: "Bounce" command doesn't always bounce Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 12:03:32 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I've noticed that in pine 3.91 (compiled under A/UX), the bounce command doesn't bounce messages to addresses that are of the form "user@host", but it does bounce to addresses of the form "user@host.fully.qualified.domain" or just "user". There is no error reported when the bounce doesn't occur, so it _looks_ like the bounce got delivered... but I know it doesn't. This isn't a local sendmail configuration problem (I don't think) as I can send mail from within pine to addresses of the "user@host" type. Ideas? -ech -- Eric Hagberg Phone: 212-746-6387 User Services Manager Fax: 212-746-8322 Office of Academic Computing Cornell Medical College From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 12:27:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20922; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:27:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08031; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:16:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08025; Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:16:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDe3z-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 11:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:21:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Status: O X-Status: The third form is correct and the last should work. Does the host you are connecting to have IMAP service configured properly? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Dec 1994, Gary Zimmer wrote: > Date: 2 DEC 1994 13:35:51 GMT > From: Gary Zimmer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? > > When I set my inbox parameter to: > > {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}INBOX > {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}/usr/mail/gdzimmer > {host.domain.name}INBOX > {host.domain.name}/usr/mail/gdzimmer > > Where host.domain.name is the name of the machine(s) that I want to get mail > from. What am I doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.... > > Gary > -- > ,,, > (o o) > +-=-=-=-=-=--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ > | Gary D. Zimmer '97 Cornell University Medical College | > | Phone: (212) 737-6683 Pager: (800) 666-7243 #888-7067 | > | Email: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu | > +-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------------------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ > () () > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 13:54:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24373; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:54:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10003; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from central.darpa.mil by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09996; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:45:53 -0800 Received: from mail.arpa.mil by central.darpa.mil (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA22281; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:38:18 EST Message-Id: Date: 2 Dec 1994 16:46:28 U From: "eogrady" Subject: RE: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) To: "Paul H Kramer" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.1 Status: O X-Status: _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Paul H Kramer on Mon, Nov 28, 1994 7:55 PM Subject: Access this IMAP resource (net-happenings mailing list) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu MIDnet now provides "IMAP" access to all contributions mailed to the net-happenings mailing list. This means if you have a mail client that is imap-compliant (i.e., pine), you may read the latest articles off MIDnet's IMAP server. By offering this kind of access, you don't have to subscribe to net-happenings yourself, just rely on MIDnet to provide you the articles. The format for accessing an IMAP server is: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/yy-mm-dd where you replace yy with "94", mm with "11", "10", etc and dd with "01", "11", etc. For example, after you press "g" in pine (for the "go-to" command), you would enter the above string like this: *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/94-11-21 If you have comments or suggestions on how this service might be improved, send mail to nic@mid.net. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 13:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24405; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07387; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07381; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:46:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDfVV-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu (Gary Zimmer) Subject: PC-Pine for Windows INBOX??? Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <3bn7rn$po6@inkblot.med.cornell.edu> Status: O X-Status: When I set my inbox parameter to: {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}INBOX {host.domain.name/gdzimmer}/usr/mail/gdzimmer {host.domain.name}INBOX {host.domain.name}/usr/mail/gdzimmer Where host.domain.name is the name of the machine(s) that I want to get mail from. What am I doing wrong?? Thanks in advance.... Gary -- ,,, (o o) +-=-=-=-=-=--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ | Gary D. Zimmer '97 Cornell University Medical College | | Phone: (212) 737-6683 Pager: (800) 666-7243 #888-7067 | | Email: gdzimmer@stud.med.cornell.edu | +-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------------------------------=-=-=-=-=-+ () () From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 15:09:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27336; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:09:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11747; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:03:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11741; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:03:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDgin-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () Subject: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1994 20:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <3bo16g$jn5@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. Thanks for your help! Don Pratt Syracuse University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 15:32:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28173; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:32:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09649; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:27:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09643; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:27:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDh4n-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 2 Dec 1994 22:29:45 GMT Message-Id: <3bo74p$m44@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: I figured out how to do it, though (like the Wizard of Oz) I'm not sure how the damn thing works. 'pine -i' with no additional para- meters fires up Pine and places me directly in INBOX. Don Pratt Syracuse University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 16:49:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01345; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:49:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13961; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:36:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13955; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:36:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDiD7-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Paul M. Morano" Subject: just testing Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:06:56 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: well, this is my first time using pine with a newsgroup so this is a test. , \ / , / \ )\__/( / \ / \ ( _ _ ) / \ __________________/_____\__\@ @/___/_____\_________________ | |\../| | | \VV/ | | Paul Morano | | paul@nermal.wsc.mass.edu | | | |__________________________________________________________| l /\ / \\ \ /\ l l / V )) V \ l l/ // \l V From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:29:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05123; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:29:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13297; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:19:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13291; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:19:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDjie-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnf@sparc.nic.bc.ca (John Furman) Subject: help with Pine under Solaris 2.3 using gcc Message-Id: <1994Nov29.165725.27727@nicad3.nic.bc.ca> Date: 29 Nov 94 16:57:25 -0800 Status: O X-Status: I am looking for information regarding compiling Pine under Solaris 2.3 using gcc. I did not have much success, i.e. warnings and errors due to "memcpy" etc. Any help via email is very much appreciated. John Furman North Island College Courtenay, B.C.,Canada johnf@sparc.nic.bc.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:45:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05555; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:45:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16384; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:34:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16378; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:34:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDk0n-00000IC; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 3 Dec 1994 00:09:25 GMT Message-Id: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Don Loflin with this query in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 1 Dec 1994 12:07:44 -0600: + For instance, I'm on the 'tcp-group' mailing list, which has reasonably + high traffic at times. But some messages are sent to the list using + To:, some using Cc:. So to select them all, I have to hit '; T T + tcp-group ' and then '; B T C tcp-group '. Try this: ; T A tcp-group That should work. You can also type tcp-group@its.complete.e-mailaddrs to make the selection process much more stringent. Enjoy! PS: However the 'macro' idea isin't that bad at all. Infact what will be more kewl is if i can define 'macros' in pico(a la vi keymaps). -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 18:47:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05643; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:47:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13586; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13580; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:37:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDk6Y-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 18:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thomas Guptill) Subject: US Mirror of PineVMS 3.91 Beta Message-Id: <1994Dec2.225543.2376@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:55:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: To save some international network load, I've placed the pine VMS 3.91 beta on lenin.cc.rochester.edu. Just anonymous ftp, do an LS, and there it is. Note that the ftp site is capped at 5 users (it's a tired old PC) so you may have to wait a bit... Tom -- | Tom Guptill | | CPU Box 277445 UoR | | Rochester, NY 14627 tgpt_ltd@UORDBV | | GMT-5h (716) 274-3210 I don't speak for UCC from this account. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 2 23:07:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10721; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:07:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19749; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:57:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19743; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:57:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDo9w-000006C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Penio Penev Subject: Re: undigest Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 23:29:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: drake@rs2.npt.nuwc.navy.mil ("Paul S. Drake") wrote: > > Does pine 3.91 have the capability to seperate a digested mail message > into individual mail messages similar to the undigestify-rmail-message > command in GNU emacs? Sine pine shows the digests like MIME attcachments, I'd like to see dealing with indexes of MIME attachments to have the same functionality as dealing with indexes of mail folders. Then a digest will look like a mail folder and one could save the interesting messages with the group commands. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:00:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11524; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:00:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17602; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:53:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17596; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:53:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDozw-000008C; Fri, 2 Dec 94 23:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ainman@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Andrew Douglas Inman) Subject: Forwarding Mail w/ Pine Date: 3 Dec 1994 07:33:40 GMT Message-Id: <3bp70k$khi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have a suggestion on a method to allow users to forward mail send to an imap server when either: a) It's a machine they don't have a login to directly or b) It's a machine where they have a restricted shell which only allows them to spawn pine, etc. I'm looking for an automated method that doesn't require the Sys. Admin do anything. I could probably write up a script of somesort but it's a pain and difficult to maintain and keep secure. -- Andrew (ainman@umich.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:30:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12035; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:30:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20733; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:23:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20727; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:23:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpQS-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: plaws@comp..uark.edu (Peter Laws) Subject: Re: How to defeat posting prompt? Date: 29 Nov 1994 15:06:57 GMT Message-Id: <3bfg2h$9ul@wizard.uark.edu> References: <3art2f$6g9@crl3.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I just wanted to add my US$0.02 to this silly debate: I like Pine. As soon as it was offered on our systems here (3.05), I stopped using everything else. I like 3.9x's config screens. I like the message select features (esp. mass delete :-). The news reader is great. I, however, choose to use nn because I am more familiar with it and it offers a few more features (and I'm the nn support dweeb here). The Pine Development Team should congratulated, not criticized. Sooner or later, participants in this "debate" will realize that software publishers cannot satisfy each and every user's whims and desires. And the source *is* freely available ... As the old saying goes "RTFM" ... :-) (and a big thanks to the PDT for the great MUA!!) Peter Laws Peter Laws|"Suppose you were a politician. Now suppose you n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |were an idiot. Ah, but I repeat myself."-Twain From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:57:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12796; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:57:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18327; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18321; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpqa-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: slawrenc@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Shawn Lawrence) Subject: Help with PC-Pine Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:54:30 MST Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I can't get PC-PINE to work with the Edmonton Freenet, where they are running PINE for a mailer. Can anyone help me? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 00:57:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12807; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:57:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21109; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21103; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:51:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDpqv-00000DC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: prplhaze@metronet.com (prplhaze) Subject: mail quote format Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 03:35:10 GMT Status: O X-Status: hi all, have pine 3.90 i looked through the configuration setup and .pinerc trying to find a way to edit the mail_quote_format when starting a reply. want to change the following line that appears at start of reply. on date name wrote: thanks for any info -- prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side |so can you tell me please..............who won From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 01:30:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13996; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:30:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18852; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:23:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18846; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:23:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDqNF-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 01:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a599417@ska.ska.com (Stephen Winnall/Oq9) Subject: Re: mailcap and pine Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:22:19 GMT Message-Id: <3bkm6r$iov@mx.ska.com> References: <3bi841$qri@mx.ska.com> Status: O X-Status: I've discovered the cause of the problem by reading the source of mailpart.c. Anything in the mailcap file that starts with TEXT/... or MESSAGE/... will be ignored because there are hard-coded interpretations in Pine for them. I now use application/x-pgp and can get on with handling the next problem now ;-). As a matter of interest: is it a feature or a bug that users cannot define their own subtypes for the types TEXT and MESSAGE? Steve -------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Winnall, Oq9, Credit Suisse, CH-8070 Zurich E-Mail: stephen.winnall@ska.com X.400: C=ch; A=arcom; P=csh; O=cs; S=winnall; G=stephen Tel: (int) +41 1 332 4467 (CH) 01/332 4467 -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 02:30:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15109; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:30:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22359; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:23:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22353; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:23:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDrKM-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: windigo@thepoint.com (Windigo The Feral) Subject: Re: PINE for DG-UX? Date: 3 Dec 1994 00:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3bovpv$p7c@thepoint.com> References: Status: O X-Status: dstaley@amanda.dorsai.org (Dennis Staley) writes: :Greetings; : Can anyone tell me the version of pine that has been ported to :Data General? Also, is there a special version of pico (etc) that we :also have to use? If you can also tell us where to ftp the proper files :from it would be much appreciated. :Thank you in advance Ah....finally, someone else using DG/UX. :) OK, the version of Pine that's set up on The Point is Pine 3.89, and the version of pico needed is UW Pico (tm) 2.3. I've no idea where to get pico, but Pine can be found at pine.cac.washington.edu. Good luck, -- -Windigo The Feral (NYAR!) -- Home Sec., aka Dobe Warrior Artemis--KtT, CCA--St., COB, COTABI--The 2000AD Mailinglist is now OPEN! Send mail to mailserv@thepoint.com saying "sub thrillpower" (your address) in body to subscribe...FTP archive at ftp.thepoint.com, dir /pub/text/thrillpower/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 07:35:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21401; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:35:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23316; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:24:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23310; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDw5E-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 07:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Scott Subject: fcc problem in VMS Pine Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 09:05:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I can define a folder name in the fcc field in VMS Pine. The messages are saved OK, but they have no subjects! Any theories? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 09:34:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23443; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:34:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27603; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:24:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27597; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:24:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDxtI-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 09:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zxmmq04@aix09.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Stefan Bechtold) Subject: Folder question Date: 2 Dec 1994 18:34:40 GMT Message-Id: <3bnpc0$cgj@newsserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I've a question regarding Pine and its folder handling. I want to save the EMail correspondence with several people in several different folders, i.e. every mail I send to a specific persons should be automaticially saved in a specific folder and every mail I receive from this person should be saved in the same folder. Can this be done automatically by pine? Thank you for any information, Stefan -- ++++ Stefan Bechtold ++++ stefan.bechtold@student.uni-tuebingen.de ++++ ++++++++++sed nemo potuit tangere: merda fuit! (Martial III 17)+++++++++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 11:20:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25509; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:20:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25994; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:09:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25988; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:09:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rDzXo-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 10:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pall@cs.ait.ac.th (Mano Pallewatta) Subject: Re: Problem with local Unix mail and network Date: 3 Dec 1994 12:25:54 GMT Message-Id: <3bpo4i$su@cs5.cs.ait.ac.th> References: Status: O X-Status: Randy Kreuziger (randy@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) wrote: : We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement : for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to : other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them : acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email : to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so : that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always : bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with : PINE. Sendmail at the mail host should be configured to accept mail for all the hosts in the network. The local hosts should forward all the mail to the hub. So you should configure sendmail.cf in the local hosts to do that. Or else you may set the smtp-server in .pinerc to point to the hub. -- +-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Mano Pallewatta | Internet: pall@cs.ait.ac.th | | Computer Science Program | | | Asian Institute of Technology | Phone: +66 2 524 5720 | | GPO Box 2754, Bangkok 10501 | Fax : +66 2 524 5721 | | Thailand. | | | | | +-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 12:08:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26435; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:08:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29597; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:05:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29577; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:05:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE0Po-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 11:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bradley@u.washington.edu (Scott Bradley) Subject: Re: help on setup aliases Date: Sat, 03 Dec 1994 11:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3aegvq$c0d@senior.nectec.or.th> Status: O X-Status: i missed the beginning of this thread that actually asked the question, but from this proposal is sounds like someone wanted to make a mailing list of sorts. have your root create an /etc/aliases entry that defines an :include: file that you can edit without being root. that way you are not creating a new account, do not have to mess with .forward files, and do not have to be root to maintain the list. In article , fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > >>>>> "Y" == Ye Tun writes: > > Y> : XJ If you are root, then put that list inside the aliases > Y> file. otherwise, make the .forward file in one account and put > Y> all those name, and mail to that account. > > Y> Anyone with better idea? > > I don't have a better idea, but if you are going to create another > account, you'll probably need root anyway. > === Al -- Scott Bradley University of Washington bradley@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 12:33:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27018; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:33:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26994; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:30:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26986; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:30:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE0oG-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mueed Ahmad Subject: Tracing a message in Pine? Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 09:13:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does pine have an option to trace an outgoing message? By tracing, I mean having the mail program tell me the major nodes a message goes through as it travels to its destination. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mueed Ahmad mahmad@vinson.ecn.uoknor.edu The University of Oklahoma mueed.ahmad@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu Norman, Oklahoma USA #1 FAN -> Redskins, Rockets, Sooners From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 13:03:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27691; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:03:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00398; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:00:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00392; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:00:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE1G4-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chris@westnet.westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:29:25 -0500 Message-Id: <3bqkf5$10r@westnet.westnet.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Dieter Simader (dsimader@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote: : I doubt that there will be a flud of DOS, Windows or whatever users : switching to OS/2. : OS/2 has its limitations . . . As opposed to DOS ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 13:19:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28058; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:19:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27654; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27648; Sat, 3 Dec 94 13:15:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE1X0-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) Subject: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 3 Dec 1994 12:58:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: Hi! Does anybody know if pine can be used to send/receive plain text messages with characters above 128 in code table? When I type text with these characters, pine always converts it into unreadable MIME format. Everything is OK if such a message is delivered to recipient which is also using pine or other mail reader with MIME capabilities. But there are lot of people who don't even know about MIME or they don't use it by some reason. Actually I'm talking about users from Russia, Ukraine, etc. Many of them have already experienced with such an unreadable mail. Is there any way to avoid this incompatibility and to make pine to send plain text with characters >= 128 ? BTW there is standard de facto for Latin/Russian character set: koi8-r Serguei Miridonov Ensenada B.C., Mexico. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:23:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00396; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:23:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29054; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29048; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE2sf-00000LC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 14:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Tracing a message in Pine? Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:05:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqq2i$6om@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Mueed Ahmad wrote: : :Does pine have an option to trace an outgoing message? By tracing, I mean :having the mail program tell me the major nodes a message goes through :as it travels to its destination. You don't say what type of system you're dealing with so I'll assume it's a UNIX system on the Internet. Short answer: No. Longer discursive answer: On UNIX systems Pine usually hands off the message to sendmail(8) to do the real work of sending it. Sendmail will add "Received" headers to the message as it travels to its destination, so the recipient can get an idea of the path by which the message arrived. Usually though that's completely uninteresting data, unless you're a postmaster trying to sort out a mail problem. Then those headers are invaluable. (Unfortunately I speak from experience.) Pine doesn't normally show you those headers unless you ask to see them by turning on 'Full Header Mode'. >From the sender's viewpoint, though, sendmail simply makes an SMTP connection to the recipient's system, with no particular notion of passing through "major nodes" along the way. If you want to see the actual network path that will be taken then you can try using the 'traceroute' program, though since routing on the Internet can change dynamically there's no guarantee your email message will follow the path traceroute showed you. And email addresses don't necessarily correspond to physical machines, so it could take some additional sleuthing with DNS tools like nslookup(8) to figure out where email really is destined. Fortunately from a user's point of view you almost never need worry about the path taken, any more than you need worry about the path a letter takes after you drop it in a mailbox. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:32:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00578; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:32:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29046; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29040; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:16:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE2bm-00000JC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 14:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KevinSinclair@Computer.com Subject: Password-Protected folders Date: 3 Dec 1994 21:51:59 GMT Message-Id: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: I use Pine to read my mail. I would like to have a mail reader with password-protected folders. That way, several people can share an account, yet their mail can be automatically sorted into folders (I know how to do this), and still be private mail. Our school has such an account that allows it to be shared. How can I do password-protected folders? Thanks, kevin -- Kevin Virtual: Kevin@Computer.com Physical: San Carlos, CA USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:35:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00741; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:35:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02195; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:28:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02189; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:28:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3aA-000008C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 3 Dec 1994 21:23:25 GMT Message-Id: <3bqnkd$3t9@news.halcyon.com> References: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) writes: >; T A tcp-group But won't that do a full text search of the folder (since A means "All Text")? For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to search only the To and Cc lines. It would be nice if you could just search the headers, e.g., by typing: ;THtcp-group >PS: However the 'macro' idea isin't that bad at all. Infact what will be > more kewl is if i can define 'macros' in pico(a la vi keymaps). Yes, yes! Macros and key remapping in Pine and Pico would be great. -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:46:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01077; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:46:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02477; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02469; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3mU-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:35:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx>, Serguei Miridonov wrote: : :Does anybody know if pine can be used to send/receive plain text :messages with characters above 128 in code table? You may think MIME encoding is a bother, and want to work around it, but it may be your best chance to get 8-bit data intact in email from Mexico to Russia. I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and Russia! If you send 8-bit data over channels that only can handle 7-bit data then your recipients won't see your message intact. MIME is a safe, standard way to send 8-bit data across 7-bit email channels. If you get a copy of the comp.mail.mime Frequently Asked Questions file (available via anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/comp.mail.mime, or check the comp.mail.mime or news.answers newsgroups) then it will explain this in detail. It also will list the various MIME decoders besides Pine your recipients could use. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 15:57:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01373; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29493; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29487; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:43:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE3mb-00000DC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Password-Protected folders Date: 3 Dec 1994 15:59:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3bqt8v$6tf@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net>, wrote: :I use Pine to read my mail. I would like to have a mail reader with :password-protected folders. That way, several people can share an :account, yet their mail can be automatically sorted into folders (I know :how to do this), and still be private mail. Our school has such an :account that allows it to be shared. Yow. Shared accounts and private email go together like jogging and nitroglycerin. (The security implications of shared accounts are usually explosive, too.) : :How can I do password-protected folders? In Pine, I guess you could try hacking folder password protection into the source code. Since UNIX doesn't have the concept of password-protected files you'd have a bit of work to do. But how would you keep the account sharers from bypassing the password inside Pine simply by reading the disk file? You've lost all the usefulness of UNIX file protections by sharing the account! Outside of Pine, if you're using something like deliver or procmail to send mail to separate folders (how do you distinguish what goes in which folder?) then you could try encrypting the message with a per-folder key when you write it out to the folder. Then to read it inside Pine, hack in a decryption thing that prompts for the key. (While you're at it, make it a general folder-processing module so that you could substitute uncompressing for decryption.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 16:18:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02116; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:18:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29980; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:16:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29974; Sat, 3 Dec 94 16:16:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE4FR-00000OC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 15:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kreel@tiger.olivet.edu (Keith Reel) Subject: Printing to attached ANSI Printer Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:05:30 +1000 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: When we originally started using Pine last year, the 'y' option worked great for printing to a printer attached to a workstation. However, somewhere along the line, the configuration has been changed so that now whenever we print E-mail from Pine it prints the first page correctly but all subsequent pages print in very small print. It seems as though some control character is being passed to the printer after the first page is printed that causes this. Has anyone out there experienced this, and do you know of anyway to fix it? Thanks in advance Keith kreel@olivet.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 19:04:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05981; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:04:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04979; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:00:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04973; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:00:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE6vu-00000AC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 18:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: randy@leif.ucs.mun.ca (Randy Dodge, Tech Support Manager C&C) Subject: Re: Pine-3.91 first beta test for VMS Date: 3 Dec 94 23:02:56 -0330 Message-Id: <1994Dec3.230256.1@leif> References: <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il> Status: O X-Status: In article <1994Dec1.212338.543@vms.huji.ac.il>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes: > Pine 3.91 first beta release for VMS (VAX and AXP) is available from > VMS.HUJI.AC.IL:/Local/Pine_3_91_beta_1.ZIP (use binary mode...). > This version does not support message postponing nor FCC can be used. > IMAPD is not available yet - use the one from the 3.89 release found at the > same place. > The README file is in [.CONTRIB.VMS] directory. The package contains the > procedures to compile and the objects. If you want only to relink look at the > bottom of [.PINE]VMSBUILD.COM and link it manually. > This version does not have Hebrew support. > Good luck, __Yehavi: Installation problem - module os_vms.c refers to a routine get_local_host_name which seems to have gone missing in the current code. I cut the code from the v 3.89 source and pasted it into [c-client]tcp_vmsl.c and rebuilt to fix the unresolved reference. My setup is VMS (5.5-2), UCX(3.1) and NETLIB (V 1.7) -- Randy Dodge, Manager Technical Support Group, Computing & Communications Memorial University, St. John's, Newfoundland Canada randy@kean.ucs.mun.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:04:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07133; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:04:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03155; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:01:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03149; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:01:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE7pN-00000IC; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: givers@badlands.NoDak.edu (David R Givers) Subject: Re: corrupted mail box Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 03:15:56 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: David R. Beam (davebeam@interaccess.com) wrote: : My wife has had trouble with her mail box being corrupted basically every : time she opens it (using Pine). I have a similar problem but it is sporadic or not related to any event that I am aware of. I t does not happen every time. Just once or twice a month. : Necessary fix seems to be using an editor to get down to a line that : begins with "From..." That's news to me. Not that you are wrong. just have not hard about that, but obviously there is some thing wrong somewhere that need fixing. : But, why does this happen so often? I don't think it is anything she is : doing, but the sysop doesn't seem to know what is happening, either. Same story here for me. The syssops say it has nothing to do with their system. I thought I was the only quirk in the electronic universe. : Help appreciated. Sorry i can not help but help appreciated here too : DRB DRG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:14:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07310; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:14:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05843; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:12:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05837; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:12:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rE823-000006C; Sat, 3 Dec 94 19:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Saving News to Pine Folders Via NN Date: 3 Dec 1994 22:34:01 GMT Message-Id: <3bqrop$5vq@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: tommyc@kaiwan.kaiwan.com (Tom Collins) writes: >Normally I read news using NN and when I find an item I want to save, I >save it in my mail directory to deal with later, using Pine. >Only, I was recently on another system and discovered that any item on >that system that I saved in this way later showed up, under Pine, as "not >a folder." To read NN folders from Pine set these variables in your NN ~/.nn/init file: set mail-format on set folder ~/mail set mail-record ~/mail/mailed-messages set news-record ~/mail/posted-messages Of course you can name the last two folders whatever you like. news.software.nn and comp.mail.pine are good places to discuss NN and Pine. Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 20:27:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07490; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:27:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03431; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:25:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from feenix.metronet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03425; Sat, 3 Dec 94 20:25:10 -0800 Received: by metronet.com id AA20566 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:22:23 -0600 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:22:22 -0600 (CST) From: prplhaze To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: mail quote format Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hi all, have pine 3.90; how does one change the mail quote format. currently reply with on date name wrote: i didn't see a reference to this in .pinerc or config menu. is there a line or option i can write to the .pinerc file to change this? i've noticed the newsreader tin has a configurable option for mail reply and it works through pine so i guess there is a way to do this but i'm not sure of command line syntax. thanks for any info joe prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side |so can you tell me please..............who won From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 21:32:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08489; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:32:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06639; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:28:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06633; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:28:52 -0800 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA14141 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:47 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA45664; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Folder Lock Suggestion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'd like to make a suggestion concerning the way pine makes itself read-only when another pine session is opened at the same time. Have an option that lets the user decide to either make both pines read-only, the original instance of pine, or the new instance of pine. With the default configuration being to lock up both, or the original. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 3 23:28:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10671; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:28:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05548; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05542; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:23 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07420; Sat, 3 Dec 94 23:25:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 23:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David R Givers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: corrupted mail box In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: David and David: This message usually means that Pine didn't recognize the first line of the file as a valid message delimiter line (e.g. "From ...") This can either mean that Pine is not recognizing a valid format (in which case we need to know about it), or another process (e.g. the mail delivery process) is not writing the file correctly. This last case would be most noticeable if the INBOX was normally kept empty. File locking problems, or an undiscovered --but very subtle-- Pine bug in rewriting the mailbox are other possibilities. (I say subtle because in over four years of intensive Pine use, I've never encountered the error myself.) DRB: what do you find in the file before the valid "From " line? Perhaps the following would help track down the culprit: after exiting Pine (in a session where the inbox was opened successfully) make a copy of the inbox. Then just before starting Pine the next day, make another copy and do a diff. If when starting Pine, the error occurs, quit and make yet a third copy. That way you can both determine whether Pine is the cause of whatever it is complaining about, and exactly what the bogus data looks like. Everyone: if this happens to you, send the first few lines of the file to "pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu" so we can determine if there is any pattern. It would be nice to get to the bottom of this problem. Thanks. -teg On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, David R Givers wrote: > David R. Beam (davebeam@interaccess.com) wrote: > : My wife has had trouble with her mail box being corrupted basically every > : time she opens it (using Pine). > > I have a similar problem but it is sporadic or not related to any event > that I am aware of. I t does not happen every time. Just once or twice > a month. > > : Necessary fix seems to be using an editor to get down to a line that > : begins with "From..." > > That's news to me. Not that you are wrong. just have not hard about > that, but obviously there is some thing wrong somewhere that need fixing. > > : But, why does this happen so often? I don't think it is anything she is > : doing, but the sysop doesn't seem to know what is happening, either. > > Same story here for me. The syssops say it has nothing to do with their > system. I thought I was the only quirk in the electronic universe. > > : Help appreciated. > Sorry i can not help but help appreciated here too > > : DRB > DRG > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 02:26:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14388; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:26:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07759; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:24:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07753; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:24:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEDkw-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 02:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 01:46:48 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Status: O X-Status: Yup, ipop3d is quite capable of stealing the read/write token away from Pine. It's a feature. The only advice I can give is ``don't use POP when you're using Pine''. There is no workaround when using POP. The POP3 specification is quite emphatic about having exclusive access to the mail box file. If all you want is a periodic probe for new mail, you can use an IMAP connection to the server instead of POP (this assumes you have the source code for your PC-based probing software). Use the IMAP EXAMINE command instead of the normal SELECT, and it won't steal the read/write token away from any Pines that have it open. -- Mark -- On 2 Dec 1994, Tony Lorimer wrote: > > Hi All Pine Users, > > Has anyone had the following problem: > > I am currently using the ipop3d server to service all my PC users on our > network. Some users use the PC mail packages only to detect whether new > mail has arrived and then go into PINE on our UNIX system to read their mail. > My problem is that when they fire up PINE after a few minutes they get the > error message: > "Another Pine accessing your INBOX. Session chnaged to read only." > > Now I know for sure that it is the ipop3d server setting the lock on the > users mailbox. > > My PINE version is 3.91 > > Has anyone else had this problem ????. > Is this a bug/feature with the interaction of PINE and ipop3d ???. > > Please _HELP_ > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tony Lorimer (tlorimer@au.mdis.com) Phone: +612 4365700 > MDIS - McDonnell Information Systems Pty Ltd Fax : +612 4392439 > Sydney Australia Voice: +612 4365751 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 07:53:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20585; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:53:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14011; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:49:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14005; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:49:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEIou-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 07:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Macros for ';' multiple-select (request) Date: 4 Dec 1994 15:12:33 GMT Message-Id: <3bsm91$f7j@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3bocvl$g3r@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3bqnkd$3t9@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Nancy McGough with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 3 Dec 1994 21:23:25 GMT: + >; T A tcp-group + But won't that do a full text search of the folder (since A means + "All Text")? For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to + search only the To and Cc lines. It would be nice if you could + just search the headers, e.g., by typing: ;THtcp-group Yes and that's the kewl thing about it. You don't have to do the selection twice. Imagine you do the selection for the To: headers and then if you want to select the Cc: headers too, you will *have* to use Broaden/Narrow selction method which is a pain. Instead if you do ;TA and then type 'nancym' it will select all the mail which has headers equal to that value either in To: or Cc: at the same time. The only problem with this is that it will select a mail if it has nancym in its body, even if the headers of that mail don't match. So in order to make the search criteria extensive/stringent you would type the whole address 'nancym@ii.com', and this will result in an appropriate selection. > For a big folder it would be *much* more efficient to search only the > To and Cc lines. Yes, I agree with that. But the current versions don't support that yet. So instead of doing Broaden/Narrow Selection method, ;TA method works for me. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 08:34:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21198; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:34:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12148; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12142; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:31:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEJOx-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Problem with local Unix mail and network Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:53:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Randy, This usually means that your /etc/hosts file lists the "short" name (i.e. gandalf) before the fully qualified name... However, you can set the user-domain variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to whatever domain you wish Pine to use. -teg On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Randy Kreuziger wrote: > > We jusk got PINE on our system and i'd like to use it as a replacement > for the Unix mail command but I'm having a problem sending mail to > other local users. We have a network of 6 Sun Sparcs, one of them > acting as a mail server to the others. When I try and send email > to a local user the PINE program appends the hostname to the mail so > that email to 'kreuzrsk' becomes 'kreuzrsk@gandalf'. This always > bounces back! Email send to the user at the domainname works with > PINE. > > Any ideas? Mail comes back with an error 554 whatever that is. At > least with the Unix mail command I can sned local mail even if I can't > stand it for reading email. > > I'm no longer at this internet address so please send suggestions to > kreuzrsk@dfw.wa.gov thanks. > > randy kreuziger > Washing Dept. of Fish and Wildlife > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 08:53:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21497; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:53:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14691; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:50:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14685; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:50:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEJjZ-00000IC; Sun, 4 Dec 94 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KevinSinclair@Computer.com Subject: Re: Password-Protected folders Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:24:01 GMT Message-Id: <3bsqf1$kvb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqp9v$89i@hustle.rahul.net> <3bqt8v$6tf@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: : In Pine, I guess you could try hacking folder password protection into : the source code. Since UNIX doesn't have the concept of : password-protected files you'd have a bit of work to do. But how : would you keep the account sharers from bypassing the password inside : Pine simply by reading the disk file? You've lost all the usefulness : of UNIX file protections by sharing the account! The account is a school account. Teachers and students use the same account, all off of 1 machine. They use only Pine and IRC. They are unlikely to do much else, although in the future they will do gopher and we will have an IP account to do WEB stuff. They don't access the files directly, and are unlikely to become unix experts in any way. They just want to send and receive email. I want to give at least the 'appearance' of protected folders. It does not have to be a perfect solution. I am not a unix programmer. But what might work is this: a menu, like this: Choose Option ------------- 1. IRC 2. Email And if they choose #2, they get asked their mailname and password; and then I put them right into their own folder in Pine. In the script making up the menu, I can move the folders in and out of the ~/mail directory, so that in the folder list screen of Pine they see only the inbox, sent-mail, and their own folder. I don't know how to make a script that could do this menu, and I don't know how to store the passwords and the usernames somewhere. There must be other people who have done menu's on unix. Can someone help me? Thanks, kevin KevinSinclair@Computer.com -- Kevin Virtual: Kevin@Computer.com Physical: San Carlos, CA USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 09:42:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22346; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:42:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12881; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12875; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:40:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEKV8-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 09:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: larvi@ida.liu.se (Lars Viklund) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing In-Reply-To: tonyl@au.mdis.com's message of 2 Dec 1994 05: 21:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <3bmatd$no6@tardis.au.mdis.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 17:01:32 GMT Status: O X-Status: A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. Is this possible? -- Lars Viklund | Email: lvi@ida.liu.se Programming Environments Laboratory | Phone: +46 13282689 Department of Computer and Information Science | Fax : +46 13282666 Linkoping University, S-581 83 LINKOPING, SWEDEN | Telex: 50966 UNILIN S From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 14:47:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27983; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:47:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18881; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:40:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18875; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:40:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEPFj-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Kangaroo Boy) Subject: Pine 3.91 ate my mail Date: 4 Dec 1994 22:08:09 GMT Message-Id: <3btek9$mbi@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: Forgive me is this has been discussed before but I just discovered this group..... Yesterday when I went into pine 3.91 which I've been using flawlessly for the last few months my inbox said it contained 0 items rather than the 18 which have been in it for the past few weeks. Any idea what happened to my mail and is there a way to retrieve it? I use Pine 3.91 and this has happened once before...I'm checking my mail daily. Helpppppp kb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 16:43:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00389; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:43:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17843; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:36:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17835; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:36:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rER3z-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:55:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: At the present time, it is not possible to reopen your INBOX read/write without restarting Pine. It is technically possible and the low-level calls to do it are straightforward. It's just a matter of building a user interface to do this. I'm not the user interface designer; I do the low-level stuff. Here is my understanding of what's going on, but don't take this as gospel: The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 character sequence qpine? On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, Lars Viklund wrote: > A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work > and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running > on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP > server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the > mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I > would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. > Is this possible? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 16:51:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00502; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:51:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20555; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:46:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20549; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:46:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rERC0-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 16:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 ate my mail Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 16:04:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3btek9$mbi@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: I have recently discovered a misfeature in the low-level code of Pine. Pine dynamically selects what routines to use for reading your mail based upon the observed format of your mail. When you select a folder by its file name, it will try all possible formats of mail and failing these will finally fall through to a default "file" format which treats the entire file as one big message. INBOX is handled differently. Ultimately, INBOX is your mail in /usr/spool/mail. This file may be empty, or it may not exist at all. But this does not mean that you don't have an INBOX; you *always* have an INBOX. It just means that it falls through to a default handler that waits for an INBOX file to exist with valid mail data. The "file" format does not respond to INBOX requests. Here lies the misfeature. If you have a /usr/spool/mail file, but the file is not in any valid mail format, it is treated as if the file is empty! This shouldn't cause any loss of data, since the file shouldn't ever get rewritten. However, what the user sees is an apparently empty INBOX instead of getting an error message that something is wrong with the INBOX. This problem will be fixed in Pine 3.92. You should ask your local system administrators (or some other local expert) to look at your mail file and see if there is something wrong with it. We would appreciate being told what forms of invalid format mail files are appearing, so please ask your expert to tell us what they found after they fixed your mail file. -- Mark -- On 4 Dec 1994, Kangaroo Boy wrote: > Yesterday when I went into pine 3.91 which I've been using flawlessly for > the last few months my inbox said it contained 0 items rather than the 18 > which have been in it for the past few weeks. Any idea what happened to > my mail and is there a way to retrieve it? I use Pine 3.91 and this has > happened once before...I'm checking my mail daily. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 17:31:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01285; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:31:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18464; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18458; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:26:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rERoA-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 17:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 5 Dec 94 00:54:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <3bo74p$m44@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu () writes: >I figured out how to do it, though (like the Wizard of Oz) I'm not >sure how the damn thing works. 'pine -i' with no additional para- >meters fires up Pine and places me directly in INBOX. In the UNIX version you can specify a series of keystrokes in the .pinerc. >Don Pratt >Syracuse University -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 18:32:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02224; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:32:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21779; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:25:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from post1.INRE.ASU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21773; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:25:41 -0800 Received: from ecstest.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #7723) id <01HK99AVMKY89GZDT4@asu.edu>; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:25:36 MST Received: from ecstest.asu.edu ([129.219.9.141]) by ecstest.asu.edu with SMTP id <113180>; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 19:25:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 19:25:21 -0700 From: Shahjehan Khatri Subject: Userid in global Pine configuration file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Greetings! We are thinking about making PC-Pine 3.91 available to our students. I tried setting userid=${USERID} in the global Pine configuration file in the hopes that Pine would pick use the USERID set upon login, but that did not work. : ( Can you offer any consolation? On a different matter, I had a really long note in the postponed mail folder (stored on a remote server). I pressed "C" to compose and selected it. Incidentally, I was using PC-Pine for Windows. Pine aborted the operation and I lost the message because, purportedly, I didn't have a remote folder open. This seems to be a "flaw" to me. Anyway, I am really happy with Pine 3.91 in general and PC-Pine for Windows in particular. The University of Washington should get the Presidential Medal of Honor! = ) -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 18:57:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02649; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:57:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22089; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:51:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22083; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:51:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rETAF-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <3btsi0$2pp@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> References: <3bo16g$jn5@newstand.syr.edu> Status: O X-Status: donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: : My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the : main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight : into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted : this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. : Thanks for your help! : Don Pratt : Syracuse University Dear Don It is not safe to go directly to the inbox. There is a virus that is announced as Good News and should not be read. It should be deleted. Susan F. -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 19:28:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03318; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:28:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19917; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:21:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19911; Sun, 4 Dec 94 19:21:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rETan-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peng@pirates.cs.swt.edu (Wuxu Peng) Subject: # of lines Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:53:59 GMT Message-Id: <3btvc7$p0a@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am using elm currently. Recently I decided to have a look at pine. I compiled pine-3.91, and the interface appears attractive. However, there is no "Content-Length" field in emails sent through pine. Elm has such a field in the header. I briefly checked all the configuration parameters and couldn't find one that can turn on such a field. -- --wuxu peng (peng@pirates.cs.swt.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:04:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04959; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:04:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23795; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:01:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23789; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:01:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEV8R-000006C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brut@io.org (Jimmy) Subject: Auto delete read messages? Date: 4 Dec 1994 20:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3bts1e$9qp@ionews.io.org> Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to get pine to automatically delete my read messages (I use FCC to copy them to a received file) but can't seem to get pine to do so without always asking me for confirmation. I've checked the Setup config screen and the PINE FAQ, but still no luck. Is what I want possible? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:09:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05098; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21243; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:06:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21236; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:06:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEVDu-000008C; Sun, 4 Dec 94 20:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: debraw@mcs.com (Debra Walker) Subject: Re: Windows Pine and SLIP/PPP Date: 4 Dec 1994 22:38:10 -0600 Message-Id: References: <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3bfv22$jjh@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: > Is it possible to set Windows Pine up over a SLIP or PPP connection? > If so, do you have any words of wisdom for setting this up? Hello, Nancy. I am currently running PCPine 3.91 in Windows. I have a SLIP connection. I cannot think of anything special to tell you, except that you should be logged in first with whatever protocol that you are using. Then, run PCPine. That's it, as far as I can see. I hope this helps. Perhaps someone else can provide more details, if any. Debra From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 21:38:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05741; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:38:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21601; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:34:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21595; Sun, 4 Dec 94 21:34:39 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:30:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:30:58 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jimmy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Auto delete read messages? In-Reply-To: <3bts1e$9qp@ionews.io.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 4 Dec 1994, Jimmy wrote: > I'm trying to get pine to automatically delete my read messages (I use FCC > to copy them to a received file) but can't seem to get pine to do so without > always asking me for confirmation. I've checked the Setup config screen and > the PINE FAQ, but still no luck. Is what I want possible? Is what you want: expunge-without-confirm?? It is in the configuration menu. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 4 22:50:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06898; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25104; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:47:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25098; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:47:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEWnU-00000AC; Sun, 4 Dec 94 22:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Debra Walker Subject: Mail Folders-Now you see them, now you don't.. Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 00:20:52 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello, everyone. I use PC-Pine 3.91 on my home PC, and, usually, I don't have many problems with it. But, in the last couple of days, some wierd things have happened. I loaded Pine to send/receive mail a couple of days ago, and I typed "L" (to list folders). I asked for the expanded list of mail folders, and, to my surprise, only INBOX appeared. I know that I have more folders, i.e. sentmail, readmail, etc. During that particular session, I had to create a new folder for sentmail, and one for readmail, I believe. Yesterday, when I again loaded Pine, all the mail folders appeared. Today, just a few minutes ago, I loaded Pine to send/receive mail, and only the INBOX appeared in the expanded list for mail. Does anyone else have this problem? If so, do you know the cause and/or the solution? Please e-mail me, with any ideas and/or suggestions? Thanks in advance. Debra ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Debra Walker debraw@mcs.com debra.walker@aquila.com Chicago, IL debra.walker@atoc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 02:12:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11093; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:12:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25090; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:06:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25084; Mon, 5 Dec 94 02:06:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEZzR-00000AC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 01:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:31:32 GMT Message-Id: <3bumlk$ocp@news.ysu.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) says: >At the present time, it is not possible to reopen your INBOX read/write >without restarting Pine. It is technically possible and the low-level >calls to do it are straightforward. It's just a matter of building a user >interface to do this. [...] >The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would >pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine >is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one >of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 >character sequence qpine? My idea is that when a folder becomes read-only, those commands which require the folder to be open no longer have any effect. Specifically ``X'' for expunging messages. If the ``X'' command were to switch from its normal ``eXpunge'' meaning to that of attempting to reopen the folder, no more letters would be used, and there would be no need to exit Pine, especially for those of us who have established connections to folders all over... Similarly, ``X'' could try to re-open a folder which has become closed due to acces error, of which I shall write more in private. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 03:34:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12955; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:34:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28567; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28561; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:01 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA19265; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:27:00 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13474; Mon, 5 Dec 94 03:26:58 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA21433; Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:26:56 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA22192; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:55 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02837; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:26:53 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051126.AA02837@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 732 Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, I tried to find this in the FAQ-lists and mail archives with no success, so here goes.. Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because they have lines beginning with From: that are really just part of the message, not the beginning of another. Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility between Sun Mailtool and Pine? RTFMs and pointers are welcome. Jaakko Salminen Technical Support Engineer Sun Microsystems Finland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 04:42:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14808; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:42:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29698; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:35:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29692; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:35:37 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 20:31:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 20:31:43 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: <9412051126.AA02837@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine > the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when > sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because > they have lines beginning with From: that are really just > part of the message, not the beginning of another. > > Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks > messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. > Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility > between Sun Mailtool and Pine? > > RTFMs and pointers are welcome. I seem to have misplaced it....but Mark Crispin had an excellent piece on "horrors of Content-Length". Bottom line, it is not a reliable header. Much can happen to a message as it passes between MTAs that can have an effect on the actual length of a message. Can you imagine what would happen is an MTA converted CR into CR+LF and the Content-Length remained unchanged? The message: ...make sure you turn the power off may be displayed instead of what was actually received. ...make sure you turn the power off and then on after changing the switch setting. Failure to do so..... Just like there are lots of good reasons that pine doesn't use uuencode there are other good reasons why it doesn't use Content-Length: The *real* question you should be asking is...."Why does SUN insist on using Content-Length: headers? Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 04:54:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15169; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29868; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29860; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcVm-00000BC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Subject: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:02:23 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Pine-people Can pine search for new newsgroups not currently listed ind the .newsrc file ? When using OTHER newstools than pine, I'm asked to subscribe to new newsgroups (if any) that currently was not listed in the .newsrc-file. If I don't subscribe, the new newsgroup is just added to my .newsrc as unsubscribed, but it is added. When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup not listed in the .newsrc-file, and in time, my .newsrc will therefore not be updated if I don't use other newstools. If I have missed somthing, and it IS possible please tell me how. If not I would like it implemented in next version. Regards from Finn in Denmark ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Name : Finn Hybjerg Hansen | Aalborg University Email : fhh@kom.auc.dk | Institute of Electronic Systems Phone : +45 98 15 85 22 | Department of Communication Technology Direct: +45 98 15 42 11 - 4807 | Fredrik Bajers Vej 7A (Room A1-203) Fax : +45 98 15 67 40 | 9000 Aalborg ,,, WWW : http://www-i8.auc.dk/~fhh/ | DENMARK (o o) ----------------------------------- ------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:23:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15973; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:23:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00375; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00369; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcyL-00000CC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: buchang@CAM.ORG (Gordon H. Buchan) Subject: Re: Pine and Attached Files Date: 1 Dec 1994 01:14:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3bjpkg$485@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: <3bats5$5ck@news.sas.ab.ca> Status: O X-Status: jd3571@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () writes: >In this computer store they had a room set up for seminars and one of the >topics was the new Edmonton FreeNet that I belong to. >At the seminar someone asked if the program Pine scrambles a file >attached to an Email message. No one really knew if it does this on not. >It was one of those things that get you thinking. If you send an Email >message with an attached file to someone who does not have the Pine >program will it end up distorted? Pine uses MIME encoding to send binary attachments over SMTP. This means that your attachments will be understood by others using Pine, as well as Eudora on PCs and Macs. MIME has not been adopted widely. Most users can read attachments encoding using uuencoding, however. To send a binary attachment with uuencoding, you have to encode the file, then include the encoded text in the body of your message. The syntax for uuencoding is: uuencode filename.ext filename.ext > filename.uue -- ---- Gordon H. Buchan buchang@cam.org "My birth certificate says I'm 28, but my doctor says I'm 40." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:24:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16014; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:24:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27565; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27559; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:17:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEcyE-00000BC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 04:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: buchang@CAM.ORG (Gordon H. Buchan) Subject: Re: editing MIME attachements in reply - how? Date: 1 Dec 1994 01:09:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3bjpat$434@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: Status: O X-Status: csgoh@iti.gov.sg (Goh Cheng-Seng) writes: >Greetings, >I have been receiving SMTP mails from our VAX running TGV Multinet, >which send attachments in MIME format. When I try to reply to those mails >using Pine, the attachments disappear from the message body and I see >lines in the header's attachment entry indicating their presence. I would >like to include and edit those attachment in the message body. Can >someone tell me how to do that? >Thanks in advance! Look in your .pinerc file. Check if the include-attachment-in-reply field is enabled. >-- >Goh Cheng-Seng | Computer Information Systems Department >Email: csgoh@ncb.gov.sg | Singapore National Computer Board >Phone: (65)-772-0451 | 71 Science Park Drive >Fax : (65)-778-9641 | Singapore 0511 -- ---- Gordon H. Buchan buchang@cam.org "My birth certificate says I'm 28, but my doctor says I'm 40." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 05:49:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16531; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:49:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00804; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00798; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:35 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA28113; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:18 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17309; Mon, 5 Dec 94 05:44:15 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA21936; Mon, 5 Dec 94 15:44:13 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA24546; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:11 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03600; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:44:09 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051344.AA03600@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 2299 Status: O X-Status: Ed, I guess I was asking for it.. :-) Yes, I realize that Content-Length is not a safe header, just like sending 8bit characters in email makes some MTAs puke. But Content-Length seems to work at least most of the time just fine, since other mailers like Elm and Mailtool have some error resilience built-in for cases when Content-Length is not correct. Looking at Elm source code, it is not even overly difficult to code. Pine looks really wonderful, but this "feature" makes it unusable for me. I guess I'll stick with Elm.. At the office I use Mailtool, but I need a tty-based mailer for dial-in connections. Jaakko Salminen (Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not for Sun Microsystems) On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko (egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > >On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > >> Sun Mailtool uses the Content-Length header line to determine >> the actual lenght of an email. This is particularly useful when >> sending a mailfolder or email messages as an attachment, because >> they have lines beginning with From: that are really just >> part of the message, not the beginning of another. >> >> Pine doesn't seem to use the Content-Length line, it breaks >> messages with other messages as attachments to separate messages. >> Have I missed something obvious or is this an incompatibility >> between Sun Mailtool and Pine? >> >> RTFMs and pointers are welcome. > > I seem to have misplaced it....but Mark Crispin had an excellent >piece on "horrors of Content-Length". > > Bottom line, it is not a reliable header. Much can happen to a >message as it passes between MTAs that can have an effect on the >actual length of a message. Can you imagine what would happen is an >MTA converted CR into CR+LF and the Content-Length remained unchanged? >The message: > > ...make sure you turn the power off > >may be displayed instead of what was actually received. > > ...make sure you turn the power off and then on after changing the > switch setting. Failure to do so..... > > Just like there are lots of good reasons that pine doesn't use >uuencode there are other good reasons why it doesn't use Content-Length: > > The *real* question you should be asking is...."Why does SUN >insist on using Content-Length: headers? > > > Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 06:11:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17011; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:11:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01017; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:00:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01011; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:00:11 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Dec 94 21:56:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:56:27 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: <9412051344.AA03600@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > Pine looks really wonderful, but this "feature" makes it unusable > for me. I guess I'll stick with Elm.. At the office I use Mailtool, > but I need a tty-based mailer for dial-in connections. Actually, if you "fix" your final delivery process such that messages which contain lines in the body that start with "From " are escaped to read ">From " you will be able to use pine and that other UA I can't get my fingers to type. :-) I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but you may even be able to get away with changing the mailer flags in your sendmail.cf file and tell Suns's /bin/mail to do the right thing. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 06:34:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17531; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:34:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01400; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:29:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sun.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01394; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:29:06 -0800 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail-swanbb.West.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AB02996; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:28:35 PST Received: from Finland.Sun.COM (sunfin.Finland.Sun.COM) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18903; Mon, 5 Dec 94 06:28:32 PST Received: from myy.Finland.Sun.COM by Finland.Sun.COM (4.1(1/24/94)/SMI-4.1e) id AA22069; Mon, 5 Dec 94 16:28:30 +0200 Received: from thot.Finland.Sun.COM by myy.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sub(uk - sub)) id AA24917; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:28 +0200 Received: by thot.Finland.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03657; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:28:26 +0200 From: jaakko@Finland.Sun.COM (Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland) Message-Id: <9412051428.AA03657@thot.Finland.Sun.COM> To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1208 Status: O X-Status: Ed, Hmm, why didn't I think of that.. I'll put E in the mailer flags in sendmail.cf, it should do the trick. Thanks, I'll be able to use Pine after all! Jaakko Salminen On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > Actually, if you "fix" your final delivery process such that >messages which contain lines in the body that start with "From " are >escaped to read ">From " you will be able to use pine and that other >UA I can't get my fingers to type. :-) > > I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar >with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to >replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" >that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but >you may even be able to get away with changing the mailer flags in >your sendmail.cf file and tell Suns's /bin/mail to do the right thing. > > Ed > >Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region >Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 >FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 07:53:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19404; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:53:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29963; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:47:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29957; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:47:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEfM3-00000CC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 07:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. (fwd) Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:14:28 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:38 GMT , Mike Cote (mcote@julian.uwo.ca) wrote: : This message was posted to the pine-info mailing list some time ago... : - Mike Cote : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:23 GMT : From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl : To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu : Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. ... : Pine can (I and others use the MH-folder format with Pine for some time : now). : > I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. : Some excerpts from my .pinerc: : # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox : # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). : inbox-path=#mh/inbox What's the performance like? I prefer MH (exmh really) but if pine will act as a tty based MUA that's fine. Thanks -- Alan Thew alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 51 794-3735 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 51 794-3759 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 11:33:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00503; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:33:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08603; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:26:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08597; Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:26:57 -0800 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HKA6VD4NGW95MMGT@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: fcc problem in VMS Pine In-Reply-To: To: Peter Scott Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Peter Scott wrote: > I can define a folder name in the fcc field in VMS Pine. The messages are > saved OK, but they have no subjects! Any theories? > I assume you are using PMDF's Pine. The fcc in 3.89 does not put in subject or a proper From field. This will be corrected in the next version 3.91. /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 14:22:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08340; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:22:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12478; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12472; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:29 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24532; Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:15:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: >... > I don't use any of Sun's mail programs....so I'm not familiar > with them. However, it has been suggested that you may want to > replace Sun's /bin/mail program with the delivery program "sendit" > that can be found on ftp.cac.washington.edu. I'm not sure....but >... Sendit is just the delivery program we use on many systems at the Univ. of Washington. You may be better off getting one of the more well-known programs which has been tuned for portability. Procmail and deliver are two that come to mind. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 22:41:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23817; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:41:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21532; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:38:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21526; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:38:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEtGU-00000PC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 6 Dec 1994 06:06:17 GMT Message-Id: <3c0v0p$qot@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) says: >I understand that sending 8-bit data in MIME >format is more safe, but I also think that plain 8-bit text will be used >in Russian e-mail for a long time. Actually, MIME permits you to send 8-bit characters in one of three possibilities -- BASE64, which would be useful where the majority of the text is composed of non-ASCII characters, like Russian, or QUOTED- PRINTABLE, which is usually used when only a few characters are non-ASCII, as in German, French, and so on. Pine3.91 uses both of these. There is a third possibility, which Pine3.92 will support, which is 8BIT, which actually sends 8-bit data, but only if Pine can guarantee from the receiving MTA that the 8-bit data will not get lost. At present only a limited number of mailers support this 8BITMIME ESMTP capability (and not all of them do perfectly, which will be the subject of an upcoming message); however, I would guess that the number of mailers which do support this will increase quite rapidly, since Eric Allman has made a post to comp.mail.sendmail yesterday to outline the changes upcoming in BSD Sendmail v8.7, which include 8BITMIME support. I would guess that Pine3.92 will be released about the same time, or shortly before, a stable release of 8.7 appears, but that's only a guess. >: I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email >: path between Mexico and Russia! > >OK! Surprise!!! I have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and >Russia! Why not? TCP/IP is 8-bit transparent and SMTP agents on my host >and in Russia are 8-bit clean too. Moreover, even if some tcp/ip links >are broken there are email relays in EUnet which are also 8-bit clean. The problem is not that a TCP/IP link would not be 8-bit clean, but that some intermediate mailer, or the originating or receiving mailer, would strip the data to 7 bits, or less likely, gag on the 8-bit data. Luckily, much e-mail can be sent directly from one machine to another, or is handled by only one additional machine, making it quite possible to send 8-bit data from one site to an obscure remote one and not have the 8-bit data lost, giving the immediacy most of us have come to expect of e-mail. While probably a majority of non-US sites might have 8-bit-clean MTAs (the sendmail program which passes the mail from one machine to another), there are still those which can be found which will lose your 8-bit data. You may find a reasonably high occurrence of 8-bit-clean mailers outside the US because of the need for people there to use 8-bit data in their mail, and there are a good number of US sites which are 8-bit clean as well, due to the widespread adoption of BSD sendmail v8.6.9, whose default configuration is to pass 8-bit data. >Anyway I think that it would be good >idea to preserve any old standard in new programs. It may surprise you to learn that the only standard relating to mail on the Internet specifically forbids sending anything beyond ASCII text. Unfortunately, this standard was written way back when it was not felt there would be a need to support anything beyond ASCII, and some machines would not even handle octets of bits as bytes. Unfortunately, because this *is* the standard, everything must comply with it or an extension. Thus, strictly speaking, these JustSend8 mailers are in violation of RFC822. If I could remember the number of the RFC which refers to the 8BITMIME ESMTP option, I'd refer you to it, but by using Pine3.92 and up and an MTA which supports 8BITMIME, you will be able to send pure 8-bit text with the guarantee it will not get stripped to 7 bits. My gut feeling is that those sites which have adopted JustSend8 MTAs will quickly upgrade to 8BITMIME capable ones to take advantage of this. Remember that just because something is widely used does not make it a standard. You will not be able to send me 8-bit mail at the address from which I post this, unless it arrives with MIME transport, so you cannot say it is a standard to send 8-bit text. I can receive 8BITMIME mail at the address in the Reply-To: field. I'll hold off on further discussion of this until I compose my post concerning Pine3.92's 8BITMIME support. PLEASE NOTE that Pine3.92 has *NOT* been released yet so don't ask where to find it. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 5 23:45:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25312; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:45:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20043; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:42:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20037; Mon, 5 Dec 94 23:42:10 -0800 Received: from elaine.teleport.com (bsherman@elaine.teleport.com [192.108.254.13]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA18896 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:42:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian E. Sherman" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine 3.91 Error Message Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have installed a copy of Pine3.91 on my machine to evaluate it for my users. So far it is working out great with no problems. However, when I start up Pine the following message appears: "libsocket: open (/dev/socksys) failure: No Such File or Directory" This message appears 4 times and then the main menu of Pine appears. Pine works fine and there doesn't not seen to be any problems, but I would like to find out what is missing and take care of the problem. We are running on a AcerAltos 7000 (90mhz Pentium) cpu and the OS is Altos/SCO Unix System V/386 Release 3.2 Version 4.2aC0 Run Time. Our system is just a "vanilla" setup with no network just serial terminals and printers. As I get my users trained and the remote sites computerized we will be upgrading to a SLIP connection with our local Internet provider. I assume that Pine is looking for a network connection and needs to be told that none is available. I have looked through the docs and did not see anything that referred to Unix networks directly. Is this a setup configuration or a compile time option? Any help would be appreciated. Thank You in advance. _---_ (o o) []-----ooO--~--Ooo---------------------------------------------------------[] | Brian E. Sherman - Portland, OR USA Newport/Layton Home Fashions, Inc. | | MIS/EDI Manager/Computer Services Dept. E-Mail: bsherman@teleport.com | | Voice: 503-222-3847 Ext. 234 Fax: 503-222-7465 | []-------------------------------------------------------------------------[] (oo) (oo) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 00:40:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26574; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:40:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20769; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:37:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20763; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:37:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEv77-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pamaga@biobase.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) Subject: Spaces in "Subject line" Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:01:44 GMT Message-Id: <3c02k8$pvj@biovax.biobase.dk> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I've noticed that pine "truncates" double spaces in the subject line into single spaces; i.e., an original subject such as "This subject line" becomes "This subject line" when displayed by pine. Why? Better still: how can I prevent this? Please reply by email, as I don't usually read this newsgroup. Many thanks, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes --- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark \ voice: +45/35454592 (or ...90) * fax: +45/35454072 * pamaga@biobase.dk / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 03:54:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01617; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:54:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25411; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:48:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25405; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:48:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEy7s-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 6 Dec 1994 10:18:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> Status: O X-Status: In <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> mirsev@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx (Serguei Miridonov) writes: >> You may think MIME encoding is a bother, and want to work around it, >...but I also think that plain 8-bit text will be used >in Russian e-mail for a long time. >> I'd be surprised if you have an 8-bit-clean email >> path between Mexico and Russia! >OK! Surprise!!! I have an 8-bit-clean email path between Mexico and >Russia! Not surprising! The Internet is a a fully connected network at the session level -- any two nodes on the Internet can set up a direct connection and they are guaranteed an 8-bit data path. Only if some other transport mechanism is involved (e.g., BITNET) is the 8-bit data path not guaranteed. So, to exchange email with 8-bit text, only the two end nodes -- modulo any MX records on enemy sites -- need to understand 8-bit SMTP. I went through this discussion before with some of users who wanted the sendmail installed here to support 8-bit text. They convinced me that it should. Why? Because I came to understand that: If two end-users by mutual consent wish to break the standards without anybody else being affected, I should not come in their way. So I reinstalled sendmail with the appropriate definitions, and they were happy. Nobody else noticed any difference. I didn't notice any difference. In the case of a transport agent like sendmail, the pro-8-bit argument has perhaps more merit than in the case of pine -- because it's hard to bypass sendmail, but it's easy to bypass pine. But I still think the argument is worth hearing. The ideal mail user agent will allow the user to include 8-bit text, perhaps by having to explicitly request this to avoid accidents. This option is obviously for only those users who make a deliberate decision to use 8-bit text. But if two such consenting adults both make this decision, the rest of us should not come in their way. Also, consider this: A large fraction of Usenet news postings include 8-bit text. They will not go away. Any integration of News and mail must allow for a few megabytes a day of incoming Usenet postings containing 8-bit text. So, one may as well take integration a tiny step further and allow for outgoing postings and email messages containing 8-bit text too. This is emphatically not an either/or issue. Encoding of 8-bit text is a necessity when an executable binary is being transported, so it should be supported. But encoding of 8-bit text yields no benefit when "consenting adults" are at the ends of a point-to-point link, and all they want to do is read what the other person wrote, not execute it. -- Rahul Dhesi "At this point, you are babbling ignorantly." -- MRC@panda.COM (Mark Crispin) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 04:42:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02994; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:42:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24201; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:38:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24195; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:38:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEytv-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 04:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: Full list of groups? Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:02:01 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We have just installed pine. At the start, when I wasn't subscribing to any news groups, I got to see the lot. On another machine, running nn, you can print this list, take it home and pick out what you want. I'd like to do this with pine as well. How do I do it? After I subscribed to those few groups, I no longer got offered to see the full list. How do I provoke this? Thank you. (At least my sigfile works...) -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 05:44:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04559; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:44:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27097; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:38:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27091; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:38:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rEzif-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alexander Zimmermann Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:33:28 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Please post the solution of the problem to the news group or send me private email, as I'm also interested in this. Thanks, Alex ----------------------------------------------- Alexander Zimmermann Smail: Preziosastr. 25 81927 Muenchen Germany Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 07:30:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06699; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:30:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26282; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:04:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26276; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:03:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF18V-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 06:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Rufus D. Short" Subject: Re: General setting of printer Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Gildas PERROT wrote: > Hi, > > As root, I would like to set the printer variable in the general > configuration file (which is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf for me) to be > 'lp' instead of 'lpr' (I am on SGI, System V). If I modify a variable > in the pine.conf, the users see the changes if they haven't change > themselves this variable in their .pinerc. However, the change of > 'printer' in pine.conf is not seen by users. Any idea about this > problem ? > The file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is only used as a template for new users to pine. The /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixeds provides a way for sys-admin to set variables for all users. Be aware though that any variables set in the 'fixed' file cannot be changed by users. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rufus Short <8-) email rds@transeda.demon.co.uk -- -- TransEDA Limited tel. +44-1703-255118 -- -- Pilgrims Close fax. +44-1703-270278 -- -- Chandlers Ford NOTE: All opinions in this text are those of -- -- Hants SO53 4ST, UK the author and not TransEDA. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 08:14:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07675; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:14:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29092; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:03:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29086; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:03:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF239-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Shaw Subject: Problem with moving from PC-PINE 3.90 to PC-PINE 3.91 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I installed PC-PINE 3.90 some time ago and it is working fine but I thought I would upgrade to 3.91. I did this and now although I can read mail from the server, I get an 'Error connecting to server' message when I try to send mail. I'm using the imapd version 7.8 from Washington Anyone else had this problem ? Tim ===================================================================== TIM SHAW - Network Support Analyst | phone : +44 (0)865 221323 University Data Centre, Room 2194, | email : tim.shaw@ndm.ox.ac.uk Level 2, John Radcliffe Hospital, | bleep : 1019 Oxford OX3 9DU England | fax : +44 (0)865 750506 ===================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 08:24:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08020; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27335; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27329; Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:18:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF2Iz-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 07:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "N.W.Gilmour" Subject: Unsubscribing from newsgroups Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:47:33 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to unsubscribe from a group of newsgropus, or selected newsgroups in one go, as opposed to unsubscribing from each one individually, as I used the newsetup command, and it is too time-consuming to trawl through all the list and unsubscribe from all the ones I don't want. Thanks in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nick Gilmour E-Mail: N.W.Gilmour@msd.hull.ac.uk "There is no further information." -the klf, 16/05/92 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 09:44:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11135; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:44:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01319; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:38:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01313; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:38:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF3Xh-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gregory Padden Subject: Re: Wyse 30 and Wyse 50 problems Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:07:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Gregory Padden wrote: I've solved the wyse 50 problem by send the terminal the escape sequence which turns the screen on to 132 columns, but alas, I cannot do this with the wyse 30 terminals. It seems like Pine wants more than an 80 character screen. Any suggestions? > Hi, > > I've got hundreds of wyse 30's and wyse 50's termianls on my system which > don't work well with pine 3.91. Lot's of ghosting problems and the arrow > keys don't work. > > Does anybody have any suggestions short of replacing all these 20 year > old terminals? > > Any help would be greatly accepted. > > Gregory Padden > King County Network Coordinator > gpadden@rain.kcls.lib.wa.us > Voice 206-684-6655 > BMW K75S (Oh Ya!) > > > Gregory Padden King County Network Coordinator gpadden@rain.kcls.lib.wa.us Voice 206-684-6655 BMW K75S (Oh Ya!) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 10:31:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13076; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:31:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00309; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:23:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00303; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:23:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF4FH-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Sergey A. Nikolaev" Subject: Re: How to post news through pine or elm? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:00:46 +0300 Message-Id: References: <397934$pjg@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3agb0t$on9@crl5.crl.com> <3agjjs$iqa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3aomouINNfjb@tahma.cs.hut.fi> <3ap6ls$pdc@crl10.crl.com> <3auiua$41c@ccnet.ccnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3auiua$41c@ccnet.ccnet.com> Status: O X-Status: Please ignore it. This is a test. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 10:44:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13663; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:44:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02766; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:38:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02760; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:38:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF4Tu-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 10:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: VMS Pine 3.91beta2 Date: 6 Dec 1994 18:02:46 GMT Message-Id: <3c2907$qce@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: This morning, I went out and ftp-ed pine 3.91 beta 2 from lenin.cc.rochester.edu. After editing the appropriate vmsbuild.com files for my system, I started to compile it. Woah.... After about ten minutes, it gets thru the c-client, pico, then crashes on pine. After looking thru the compilation notes, I see that it choked on the nntp stuff. Well, our users don't need pine to read news, they can use other VMS newsreaders like vnews =) So, I took out the nntp references from all the build files. Still no dice :/ I have previously compiled and used pine 3.90 on our system but it had a few bugs that made it unusable to the end users, so I scrapped it. I have 3.91 running on my Unix system with no problems and I'd really like to get it on my VMS system. We are running on a MicroVAX 3800 running OpenVMS 6.0 and Multinet 3.3. Has anyone been able to get a workable version running on a similar setup? If so, do you have any suggestions to offer? I'm not a C programmer, so I can't really make a whole lot out of some of the errors... Thank you for any help. -- Michael Parson University of Texas at Brownsville Unix Systems Administrator Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:25:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15456; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:25:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01628; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:18:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01621; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:18:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF5AB-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Suggestion for ; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:19:17 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How about, as well as being able to Zoom in on selected messages, to be able to *Hide* them? I sometimes want to be able to hide all mailing list messages, for example, so that I can easily read just personal mail. ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:51:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16838; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:51:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04403; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:45:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04396; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:45:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF5Vv-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mr2@cedar.evansville.edu (Marc Rouleau) Subject: Re: AIX imapd dies after 8 minutes Date: 6 Dec 1994 08:15:17 -0600 Message-Id: <3c1rll$roj@cedar.evansville.edu> References: <3bvuos$v86@cedar.evansville.edu> Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >We're experiencing what appears to be a problem with the a32 imapd port. >The symptom is that the imapd process for a given session dies after >about eight minutes. ... we have a cleanup script which is supposed to kill particular processes which frequently get left behind by users accidentally. A bug in the script was causing it to kill imapd processes. Sorry to have bothered you ... -- Marc Rouleau From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 11:59:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17290; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04582; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:54:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04572; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:54:22 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA06026; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:55:50 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: address books Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello -- I recently installed pine on an DEC Alpha 3300 running OSF. It works great, but now I want to set up a site-wide address book. I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. Also, does the global-address file have to be of a particular format? Would anyone have a sample they would be willing to share?? Thanks! Mary Aplin Academic Computing Services Loyola University, New Orleans aplin@alpha.loyno.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 12:03:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17415; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:03:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02716; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from SPSUP-1.NAVY.MIL by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02706; Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:59:07 -0800 Received: by uhura.uii.com (1.37.109.11/15.6) id AA094523941; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:59:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Craig Davenport To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Sub PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Subscribe Craig Davenport From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 12:23:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18352; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:23:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05105; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:17:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05099; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:17:30 -0800 Received: from prt.Teleglobe.CA by alpha.Teleglobe.CA with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA28783; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:17:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: address books X-Sender: prt@alpha.teleglobe.ca In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: [...] > I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one > (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample > of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. [...] You should first build the pine.conf file using pine itself: pine -conf >/usr/lib/pine.conf After that, you will be able to start customizing it to suit your needs. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:08:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20346; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:08:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05909; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05903; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:19 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00316 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:53:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: subscribe to pine-info@cac.washington.edu _________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:08:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20375; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:08:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05919; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05913; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6jX-00000IC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 Error Message Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:16:47 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: Brian E. Sherman (bsherman@teleport.com) wrote: : I have installed a copy of Pine3.91 on my machine to evaluate it for my : users. So far it is working out great with no problems. However, : when I start up Pine the following message appears: : "libsocket: open (/dev/socksys) failure: No Such File or Directory" : This message appears 4 times and then the main menu of Pine appears. : Pine works fine and there doesn't not seen to be any problems, but I : would like to find out what is missing and take care of the problem. : Altos/SCO Unix System V/386 Release 3.2 Version 4.2aC0 Run Time. Yes, it wants the TCP/IP code. It's pretty insistent about it. So far as I know, no simple compile-time switches exist to turn off that dependency. Your only hope is to find someone who can take the code, ferret out all the TCP/IP-module dependent code and recompile it for you (I assume you don't have the compilers, since your OS says Run Time). To compile Pine, you need the TCP/IP Developers Version. To run it, you need at least the TCP/IP runtime version. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:13:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20542; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:13:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03731; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:54:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03725; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:54:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6ew-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rdm4@Isis.MsState.Edu (Randy D. McClellan) Subject: Multiple Signatures?? Date: 6 Dec 1994 15:13:51 GMT Message-Id: <3c1v3f$6gi@Tut.MsState.Edu> Status: O X-Status: How do I have multiple signatures?? Thanks, -- ******************************************************************* * * * * Randy D. McClellan * "If I ever needed a brain transplant, I'd * * rdm4@ra.msstate.edu * choose a sportswriter because I'd want a * * PO BOX 4340 * brain that had never been used." * * MSU, MS 39762 * NORM VAN BROCKLIN * * * * ******************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:21:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20788; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:21:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04394; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04388; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6w0-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Relative impact of imap/pc clients vs telnet/pine sessions Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:32:03 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > Take a multiuser machine, say a Sun 4/370. If it can support N pc users > who telnet in and run a continuous pine session, it can presumably > support M x N pc users were they all to adopt an IMAP based PC mua. Any > guesses on the value of M? (We get N up to 40 or so on the model suggested). I got no substantive responses, but yesterday we got a complete NFS lockup between our (Solaris) SPARCcenter and (SunOS) Auspex fileserver which holds the mail spool. We switched Pine's access method to IMAP onto a modest Sun which can support ~15-20 telnet/pine sessions. We happily supported 56 imap connections, which slowed, but did not kill this host. => M ~ 3 Q.E.D. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:22:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20845; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:22:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06443; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06437; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:15:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF6wR-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 12:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Christopher W. Curtis) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:23:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: In Mark Crispin writes: When another Pine session tries to open the inbox, the first session goes read-only. I've always found this awkward - you would think that the second session would say "inbox already open - opening readonly" instead of "yanking file lock - your other session is now readonly." But regardless of this, since the first session can tell that the inbox has been re-opened, couldn't it be possible to put the read-only pine session into some sort of loop to reopen the inbox (read/write) once the second lock is gone? >The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would >pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine >is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one >of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 >character sequence qpine? >On Sun, 4 Dec 1994, Lars Viklund wrote: >> A related question: I use pine for reading mail (using IMAP) both at work >> and from home (over a dialup PPP connection). Normally I leave pine running >> on my workstation at work and when I access my mailbox from home the IMAP >> server will steal the lock (and the pine running at work will have the >> mailbox open read-only). All this is fine, but when I come back to work I >> would like to reopen my mailbox read/write without having to restart pine. >> Is this possible? -- T | Christopher Curtis | Those who would sacrifice | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | liberty for security | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | deserve neither. | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N -Benjamin Franklin | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 13:24:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20908; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:24:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04478; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:19:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04472; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:19:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF70E-00000EC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dennis Gehris Subject: Windows Pine Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:15:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Can someone give me the ftp anonymous address for downloading Windows Pine? Please respond to me via email to one of the the addresses below. Thanks!! ************************************************************************** Dennis O. Gehris, Ed.D. INTERNET: dg@planetx.bloomu.edu Associate Professor or dg@neptune.bloomu.edu College of Business Bloomsburg University OFFICE: 717-389-4771 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 FAX: 717-389-3892 ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 15:56:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26844; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:56:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09942; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:50:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09934; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:50:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rF9LZ-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 15:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gildas PERROT Subject: PINE printer commands setting Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:04:38 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I would like to set a default value for the "Personally selected print command" and for the "Standard UNIX print command" for all the users of PINE on our machines. I want also that the first one could be modified by the user himself. How can I do that ? Thanks in advance. Gildas. # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 17:08:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29778; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:08:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11452; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:02:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.liv.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11445; Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:02:58 -0800 Received: from pop.liv.ac.uk by mail.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:02:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:02:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Thew X-Sender: qq11@mail.liv.ac.uk To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Alan Thew Subject: Custom header problem Message-Id: Organization: The University of Liverpool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm sure this is not new but some only seem to work for news but not mail. It _appears_ that I can define the use of a field such as Reply-To: and fill in a value on a per mail item basis. Rich headers displays the field but pine seems to lose it if I use the direct SMTP or sendmail interfaces. My organization field seems OK and Reply-To: is fine with the nntp interface. Thanks. -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:10:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04035; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:10:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12366; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:07:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12360; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:07:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFDO2-00000DC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 19:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nb@mailgw-vtc.oto.med.umich.edu (Nilotpal Bhattacharyya) Subject: ? FTP sites for PINE for Windows/PC application Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:09:52 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Dear Netters, Can you post or e-mail me directly on: ? FTP sites for PINE for Windows/PC application Thanks a lot in advance, Nilotpal Bhattacharyya (nil) pappab@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:41:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04802; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:41:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14954; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:36:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14945; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:36:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFDnA-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: undigest Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:35:27 GMT Message-Id: <3c2lev$423@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Penio Penev writes: >Sine pine shows the digests like MIME attcachments, I'd like to see >dealing with indexes of MIME attachments to have the same functionality >as dealing with indexes of mail folders. > >Then a digest will look like a mail folder and one could save the >interesting messages with the group commands. I agree it would be great to be able to deal with an index of attachments the same way that you deal with a regular folder index, e.g., to be able to forward, respond to, or delete individual attachments. I have a question about how best to format my FAQs so that someone who uses Pine as his newsreader can easily choose the subjects he's interested in. If I format each digest item like this: ------------------------------ [ Part 1.0: "1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions" ] Date: 06 Dec 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions [text] ------------------------------ Will Pine users be able to view the index by typing V? Is this the best strategy for posting digests so Pine users can read them? Thanks for any info, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 20:54:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05078; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12923; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:50:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12917; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:50:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFE4r-00000IC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Thew Subject: Reply w/o attachment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:41:33 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'm sure this is obvious but I just want to reply to some text but if I type R , pine 3.91 wants to include 100K of attachment which has been sent in the original mail as well, and there's no way I can un attach it... I'm using the MH interface (rather nice so far for a tty interface). Thanks -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 21:41:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06431; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:41:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15944; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:38:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15938; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:38:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25038; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:37:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Alan Thew Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply w/o attachment In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Alan, Go to setup/config and turn *off* the "include-attachments-in-reply" feature. Or use ^K on the Attchmnts header line to delete individually. -teg On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Alan Thew wrote: > I'm sure this is obvious but I just want to reply to some text but if > I type R , pine 3.91 wants to include 100K of attachment which has been > sent in the original mail as well, and there's no way I can un attach it... > > I'm using the MH interface (rather nice so far for a tty interface). > Thanks > > -- > Alan Thew > [Note new numbers] > alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 > University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 21:48:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06579; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:48:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16078; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:45:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16072; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:45:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFEsT-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cckathy@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Kathy F. Gates) Subject: Ctrl-C to cansel messages Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:33:49 GMT Message-Id: <3c2eat$qb8@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: A user at a remote site says that he cannot use ctrl-c in pine to cancel messages. He ends up just postponing them indefinitely. I've tried to figure out what might be causing his troubles to no avail. ctrl-c is set to send ascii 003. intr is set to ctrl-c. My only guess is that something on his local system is intercepting the sequence. Does anybody have a suggestion for a work-around? Any pertinent information that you can provide would be appreciated. --- Kathy Gates cckathy@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu Telephone: (601) 232-7280 Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research FAX: (601) 232-7180 105 Powers Hall Office Hours: 8:00am-2:00pm University, MS 38677 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 22:34:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07521; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:34:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14397; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14391; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:24 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26178; Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: address books In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Usually you should put the pine.conf file in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. The global-address-book line looks just like an address-book line in a .pinerc file, for example, it might say global-address-book=/usr/local/lib/abook or global-address-book=Global Address Book /usr/local/lib/abook The file itself is a standard pine address book. For example, you could create it by copying your own .addressbook to that file. You'll probably want to come up with a better way to do that than copying your own address book. The format of the address book is discussed in the technical notes in the doc directory of the source distribution. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Pierre Thibaudeau wrote: > On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > > [...] > > I cannot find the file pine.conf on my system. I guess I don't have one > > (I haven't done any customization until now.) I'm looking for a sample > > of pine.conf, particularly the global-address-book variable. > [...] > > You should first build the pine.conf file using pine itself: > pine -conf >/usr/lib/pine.conf > After that, you will be able to start customizing it to suit your needs. > > -- > Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: > TELEGLOBE CANADA | > 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 > Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | > Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 6 23:49:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09022; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:49:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15329; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:45:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15323; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:45:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFGok-000006C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 23:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Bloomquist Subject: how do you disable KBLock function in pine? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:41:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How does one disable the KBLock function, we are using pine on an rs6000 running AIX. Pine is our default mail program, and the KBLock feature is not desired in our lab. Thanks for the replies, -Paul P.S. please reply via E-Mail to pbloomqu@westmx.westmont.edu _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ / //// Westmont College / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / 0 0 Santa Barbara, CA / _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ /o00--()--00o---------------/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ /-|- Paul Bloomquist / _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ / | pbloomqu@westmont.edu / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 01:04:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10989; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:04:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18758; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:01:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18752; Wed, 7 Dec 94 01:01:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFHz2-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 00:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@hpsgcsgb.sgp.hp.com (David Wong) Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 06:09:53 GMT References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Status: O X-Status: In article <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) writes: >Xref: hpsgm1 comp.mail.pine:3931 >Path: hpsgm1!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!zimmerma >From: zimmerma@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Alexander Zimmermann) >Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine >Subject: Re: Latest version of pine... >Date: 24 Nov 1994 10:08:45 GMT >Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen >Lines: 15 >Distribution: world >Message-ID: <3b1ond$dbt@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> >References: <3at9pq$88o@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> <3avini$ls2@darum.uni-mannheim.de> >NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Originator: zimmerma@venus.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Hi, > Just wanted to say thanks for your input. Thanks also to the people who sent me email. >-- >Alex >----------------------------------------------- > Alexander Zimmermann >Smail: Preziosastr. 25 > 81927 Muenchen > Germany >Email: zimmerma@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de >Also Internet-Slave for IMAGINE e.V., Munich >Finger me to get a plan of my various activities. Could you post it? I'm also interested to know. Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 04:06:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16050; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:06:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18724; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:01:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18718; Wed, 7 Dec 94 04:01:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFKlS-00000BC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 03:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Opening INBOX via IMAP Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:50:25 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: When Pine is about to open the INBOX, it says Please wait, opening mail folder ....... For various reasons I won't go into, our users are used to spending some time looking at this message and that's fine. We recently switched to mounting the mail spool via imap on one of our machines; when the users started Pine, the status line said something like HOST: suma2.rdg.ac.uk ENTER LOGIN NAME: suqblogs but some people were still staring at a point higher up the screen, which told them Please wait. Opening mail folder ....... so they did! (wait and wait, that is). Can the message be modified for imap connections ("Please look down", "I need your userid on imaphost", "Wakey, wakey!" etc) Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:15:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21342; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:15:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21536; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:00:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21530; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:00:37 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA01575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:00:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:00:27 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: News distribution Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: User here wants to set a Distribution in a usenet posting, and neither he nor I see how that would be done with pine. What's intended here? Thanks. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:15:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21344; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:15:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23936; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:03:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23924; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:03:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFNcL-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 06:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 7 Dec 1994 12:20:18 -0000 Message-Id: <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: In article <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >This is emphatically not an either/or issue. Encoding of 8-bit text is >a necessity when an executable binary is being transported, so it >should be supported. But encoding of 8-bit text yields no benefit when >"consenting adults" are at the ends of a point-to-point link, and all >they want to do is read what the other person wrote, not execute it. Except it will be a pain in the nether region to fill various mailertables etc with names of all the "consenting adult partners". I suppose that's one of the reasons why the 8BITMIME-keyword(*) was invented in the ESMTP dialogue. So, why not do this the right way and adopt the 8BITMIME-kayword? (*) In this context 8BITMIME should probably read "I'm over 18". -- Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen University of Helsinki Lea doesn't Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI Computing Centre rhyme with tea. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 07:54:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22816; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:54:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22326; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:44:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22320; Wed, 7 Dec 94 07:43:58 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21150-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:37:20 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA06964; Wed, 7 Dec 94 15:42:42 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:42:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: News distribution In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: In the Setup Configuration screen define a "Distribution:" customised header. This can then be used whenever you are composing a message by placing the cursor in the headers and typing a Ctrl/R (Rich Headers). Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > User here wants to set a Distribution in a usenet posting, and neither > he nor I see how that would be done with pine. What's intended here? > Thanks. > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 08:33:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24373; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:33:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23197; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:21:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23191; Wed, 7 Dec 94 08:21:37 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA01744; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:23:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:23:05 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: Address Book Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello Again -- I would like to thank those of you who responded to my questions about setting up a global address book. I'm making progress due to the technical notes and information you've supplied, but now have another question: I've created the file loyola.addresses in /usr/lib. It's protection is rwxr-xr-x. I've invoked PINE via root in order to create the loyola.addresses.lu file. When I attempt to access the public address file via PINE as root I see the following messages: file changed by another process -- resyncing... resetting... The cursor then moves to root's own address book. When I try to access the public address file via a regular user account the same messages appear, but the process winds up in an endless loop. I eventually have to break out of my session. During both attempts at accessing the file, the information in the public file was displayed while all of the messages were happening. Thank You!!! Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 10:23:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29388; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:23:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25906; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:10:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from badlands.NoDak.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25900; Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:10:08 -0800 Received: (from dbloom@localhost) by badlands.NoDak.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA243523; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:10:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:10:02 -0600 (CST) From: Deborah R Bloom To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Suscribe to group posting From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 11:14:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01559; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:14:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27333; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:08:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27327; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:08:33 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4603; Wed, 07 Dec 94 14:08:34 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 4.0) id 2745; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:07:55 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25099; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:08:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: Chuck Coronella Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Have you taken a look at the UltiMail lite version included with the Internet connectivity pack? I have used the full-blown version before, and it is pretty nice (MIME compliant). It does not, however, have an ASCII interface (for dial-in, etc...) so a PM version of Pine with an ASCII counterpart would be nice! On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chuck Coronella wrote: > With the new release of OS/2 Warp (3.0), there is (or will be) a significant > demand for a product such as pine for OS/2. More and more people will be > switching to OS/2 in the future, and the only mailers currently available for > OS/2 are clearly inadequate. > > Please, please please! > > Chuck Coronella > Chemical & Metallurgical Engineering Department > University of Nevada, Reno > coronell@pogonip.unr.edu > > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 11:21:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01880; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:21:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27511; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:15:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27505; Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:15:25 -0800 Received: from RTP by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4658; Wed, 07 Dec 94 14:12:33 EST Received: by RTP (XAGENTA 4.0) id 2749; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:11:57 -0500 Received: by axis.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13628; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:12:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Allen" To: "Mary S. Freeman" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Have Pine put me directly in INBOX In-Reply-To: <3btsi0$2pp@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The Good News "virus" is URBAN LEGEND and should be disregarded... See the CIAC bulletin for more info. To answer Dons question look for this in your .pinerc: # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= Put an i after initial-keystroke-list= abd it will dump you into INBOX automagically. On 5 Dec 1994, Mary S. Freeman wrote: > donjprat@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > : My site runs v3.89 (still!). When I fire up Pine, it puts me in the > : main menu. Is there a way to configure Pine so that it drops me straight > : into my INBOX? I tried the command `pine -i i', but Pine interpreted > : this as an attempt to compose a message to someone with the userid 'i'. > > : Thanks for your help! > > : Don Pratt > : Syracuse University > Dear Don > > It is not safe to go directly to the inbox. There is a virus that is > announced as Good News and should not be read. It should be deleted. > > Susan F. > > -- > > Sean Allen AIX/Database Administration (919)543-6021 Fax 7996 IBM Personal Computer Company Internal Zip: D318/B205 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 #include Internet: allensd@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 13:37:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08079; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:37:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00888; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:32:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ben.franklin.uga.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00882; Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:32:48 -0800 Received: from zen by ben.franklin.uga.edu with SMTP id AA29665 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:32:47 -0500 Received: by zen id AA03394 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:38:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:38:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Lemuella C. Logan" To: pine Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lemuella C. Logan | voice: (706) 542-1558 Franklin College of Arts & Sciences | fax : (706) 542-3400 Information Analyst II | email: lclogan@zen.franklin.uga.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:17:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18897; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:17:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06453; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06445; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:51 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00357; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:13:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Stephen Winnall/Oq9 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: mailcap and pine In-Reply-To: <3bkm6r$iov@mx.ska.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 1 Dec 1994, Stephen Winnall/Oq9 wrote: > I've discovered the cause of the problem by reading the source of > mailpart.c. Anything in the mailcap file that starts with TEXT/... > or MESSAGE/... will be ignored because there are hard-coded > interpretations in Pine for them. This doesn't sound quite right. We're still learning about mailcap so it has been changing, but at least with 3.91, you can specify viewers for most types that override the pine builtins. The current attachment index won't allow you to select a MULTIPART to view so you can never run an external viewer for that type. You should be able to run an external viewer for any MESSAGE type. If you don't specify one, Pine will try to handle it. You can run an external viewer for type TEXT if the charset is different from the one you have set in your config file, otherwise, Pine will intercept it before giving mailcap a chance. If there isn't a match in mailcap, Pine will attempt to display it. The other types are only displayable with external mailcap viewers. > I now use application/x-pgp and can get on with handling the next > problem now ;-). The reason text/x-pgp doesn't work is because Pine sees a matching charset (us-ascii) and decides it should display it itself. Perhaps we should only be intercepting text/plain with a matching charset instead of all text types? > As a matter of interest: is it a feature or a bug that users cannot > define their own subtypes for the types TEXT and MESSAGE? Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:22:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19014; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:22:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08556; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08550; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:11 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00422; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:16:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine Subject: Re: Address Book In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: There are some serious address book bugs in 3.90. You need to upgrade to 3.91 in order to fix the problem you're seeing. Thanks. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > Hello Again -- > I would like to thank those of you who responded to my questions about > setting up a global address book. I'm making progress due to the > technical notes and information you've supplied, but now have another > question: > > I've created the file loyola.addresses in /usr/lib. It's protection is > rwxr-xr-x. I've invoked PINE via root in order to create the > loyola.addresses.lu file. > > When I attempt to access the public address file via PINE as root I see > the following messages: > > file changed by another process -- resyncing... > > resetting... > > The cursor then moves to root's own address book. > > When I try to access the public address file via a regular user account > the same messages appear, but the process winds up in an endless loop. I > eventually have to break out of my session. > > During both attempts at accessing the file, the information in the public > file was displayed while all of the messages were happening. > > > Thank You!!! > > Mary Aplin > Loyola University, New Orleans > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 17:34:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19332; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:34:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08767; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08761; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00810; Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:30:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Tjeerd Jongeling Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Also my problem: Putting Admin in AdressBook? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You can't put an address in everyone's address book in 3.91. The bugs-* entries in the pine.conf file only apply to the Bug Report command. You used to be able to put them in the address book, but we removed that feature because lots and lots of people had our address in their address books. We over-reacted. We should have just removed the default. In 3.92 there will be a new variable which can be set in the pine.conf file and will cause some specified addrbook entries to be written into all personal address books which are writable and don't already have a matching nickname. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Tjeerd Jongeling wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Ryan Bradford Neily wrote: > > > I am having trouble getting my name to appear in users address books so > > that they may mail me with problems. > > > > What are the exact tokens for this in pine.conf, and when I do get it > > working, will it appear in my address book as well being the admin? > > I have a look-a-like problem (on SunOS.4.1.1). Introducing 'bugs-fullname' > and 'bugs-address' in pine.conf and/or pine.conf.fixed has no effect. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:16:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25708; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:16:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10733; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:13:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10727; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:13:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFbo1-00000BC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 20:10:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <199412052046.OAA28518@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> <199412080306.UAA15420@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199412080306.UAA15420@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Jim Davis wrote: > Put a shell wrapper around it then. Something like > > #!/bin/sh > exec /usr/local/bin/pico -w "$@" I just tried this and it didn't work. I named the script pico and put it in my path before /usr/local/bin/pico. When I run pico from the Unix prompt I do invoke the script and autowrap is off, but if I compose in Pine with Pico, autowrap is on, which makes me think that Pine has /usr/local/bin/pico hardwired in. Anyone know a way around it (other than specifying ``pico -w'' as the alternate editor)? Thanks, Nancy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:25:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25886; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:25:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12919; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:23:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12913; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:23:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFc0l-00000EC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: minerva@nehalem.rain.com (Darci Chapman - Paradise Cowgirl) Subject: Pine under X-Window System? Date: 8 Dec 1994 01:13:56 GMT Message-Id: <3c5mkk$p8k@pop0.rain.rg.net> Status: O X-Status: Once upon a time I had an URL for info on X verion of Pine and to make an uninteresting story short :-), I no longer have such thing. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance (email is best: minerva@nehalem.rain.com). Cheerio, dlc -- Darci Chapman Senior Firmware/Software Consultant minerva@nehalem.rain.com Solution Logic, Inc, 319 SW Washington #1001, Portland, OR 97204 503/222-0057 . _ _ _ _ _| | |_| | | \_| | | |\ | _| |_| / |_| /\/\ |__ | |_| |/\| |_| |_| | \| _| |_| /\ | | / \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:42:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26258; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:42:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13070; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13064; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:07 -0800 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19660; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:34:04 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Sweger To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Jim Davis wrote: > > Put a shell wrapper around it then. Something like > > > > #!/bin/sh > > exec /usr/local/bin/pico -w "$@" > > > I just tried this and it didn't work. I named the script pico and > put it in my path before /usr/local/bin/pico. When I run pico from > the Unix prompt I do invoke the script and autowrap is off, but if I > compose in Pine with Pico, autowrap is on, which makes me think that > Pine has /usr/local/bin/pico hardwired in. Anyone know a way around > it (other than specifying ``pico -w'' as the alternate editor)? I think the pico code (for pine's *built in* editor) is internal to pine (special handling of header section, same process, etc.). -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office) // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail) / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 22:53:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26488; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:53:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11176; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:49:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11170; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:49:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFcMW-00000DC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz (Jonathan Chen) Subject: Re: sent-mail Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:01:10 +1300 Message-Id: <3c5pd6$mpa@kea.pinnacle.co.nz> References: <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: In <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) writes: >I don't have a lot of space left on my school account. I tried to >just delete sent-mail file. Without a sent-mail file pine will not >send my mail. is there any way to fix that? >Susan f. If you're on a UNIX system, get out to the command prompt issue the following commands : % cd % touch mail/sent-mail This will create an empty sent-mail file. Your other option is to save a piece of mail to the sent-mail folder. -- Jonathan Chen | e-mail : jonc@pinnacle.co.nz #include | Voice : +64.9.489.7020 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 7 23:22:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26971; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:22:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13685; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:19:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13677; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:19:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFcrN-00000EC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 7 Dec 1994 16:03:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: I did look for a FAQ in news.answers, and found none. Just built pine 3.91 and I really like the way it will unpack MIME quoted-printable-encoded messages (in the 8859-1 character set) and display them correctly. Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know how to unpack 8-bit encoding. Is pine 3.92 due anytime soon? It shouldn't be too difficult to add an "8-bit" unpacker. :-) -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 01:57:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00298; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:57:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15583; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:53:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15577; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:53:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfGn-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: p15254@winkey.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin) Subject: How does Pine recognize MIME attachments? Date: 07 Dec 1994 15:41:19 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I have a message containing MIME attachments that was forwarded to me through Microsoft mail which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't support MIME. The message originated from Pine 3.89, and I'm running Pine 3.90. For some reason, Pine does not recognize the MIME attachments in the message. I have two questions. First, did MS Mail somehow munge the header so that Pine no longer recognizes the attachment? Second, regardless of whether MS Mail is at fault, can I edit the message directly so that Pine will recognize the attachments? Here is the header as it came to me: --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: [[ ... message deleted ... ]] --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- Any help would be appreciated. ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-7338 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7301 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | Mail Drop R1216 | | ========================================================================= -- ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-7338 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7301 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | Mail Drop R1216 | | ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:04:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00496; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:04:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13618; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:00:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13612; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:00:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfJd-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 01:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Alexander E. Christensen) Subject: garbled printing Message-Id: <1994Dec8.073537.9947@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 07:35:37 GMT Status: O X-Status: My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. -- | Chester Francois Bolero | "There's no 'c' in 'orange juice,' but if | | aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu | there were, it would stand for 'color.' | | You can call me Al. | --Some guy named Derek | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:22:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00810; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:22:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15874; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:18:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15868; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:18:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFff1-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atl-aust@adam.com.au (Neil Le Quesne) Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook Date: 8 Dec 1994 18:37:41 +1030 Message-Id: <3c6esd$v57@adam.com.au> References: <3ar281$843@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: Mark A. Stephan (markstep@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not : accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone : get this problem? Interesting that you mention this. Just a few minutes ago I was discussing Pine with the sysop on my system, and was advised that we would not be upgrading to Pine 3.91 because it was not backwards-compatible (ie. will not read old addressbook and other user-configurable elements). I'd love to know if this can be overcome. Anyway..thought you might be interested :) Neil Le Quesne Managing Partner Asian Trade Links ____________________________________________________________________________ A S I A N T R A D E L I N K S Linking Australia & Asia in Trade 3/237 Belair Road, Torrens Park, SA, Australia, 5062 Phone/Fax: 61 (8) 374-1130 E-Mail: atl-aust@adam.com.au ____________________________________________________________________________ -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:27:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00877; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:27:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13900; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:23:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13894; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:23:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFfli-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: pop3d Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:27:04 GMT Message-Id: <3c55qo$ocg@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: -- I know that pine is an imap based e-mail program, but I am looking to find pop3d. I have a copy of imapd that I obtained from ftp.cac.washington.edu, but where do I find pop3? TIA. ________________________________________ >Hemang Patel hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 02:31:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01010; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:31:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13956; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13944; Thu, 8 Dec 94 02:28:33 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17867-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:22:29 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA25282; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:28:13 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:28:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Suppressing Usenet News "post to many thousands?" prompt? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Was I dreaming? I thought ... was SURE ... there was a Configuration variable to say "yes I know what I'm doing, don't ask me if I really want to post this article to thousands of people" ...But now I can't find hide nor hair of it! So was I imagining it? If so, is it an option that could be considered for addition (or is it part of the user protection in the great Usenet News v Mail debate?) Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:09:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01856; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:09:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14411; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:05:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14391; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:04:58 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:01:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:01:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Rick Rankin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How does Pine recognize MIME attachments? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 7 Dec 1994, Rick Rankin wrote: > I have a message containing MIME attachments that was forwarded to me > through Microsoft mail which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't > support MIME. The message originated from Pine 3.89, and I'm running > Pine 3.90. For some reason, Pine does not recognize the MIME > attachments in the message. > > I have two questions. First, did MS Mail somehow munge the header so > that Pine no longer recognizes the attachment? Second, regardless of > whether MS Mail is at fault, can I edit the message directly so that > Pine will recognize the attachments? > > Here is the header as it came to me: > > --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp > Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 > Content-ID: > Content-Description: > > [[ ... message deleted ... ]] > > --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- > > Any help would be appreciated. > Actually, what you state is the header is really the body. The header would have looked something like: Received: from grumpy.qualcomm.com by cdsmail.cdc.com; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:33:51 -0600 Received: from [129.46.10.64] (cjohnson.qualcomm.com [129.46.10.64]) by grumpy (8.6.9/QC-BSD-2.4) with SMTP id JAA01748 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 X-Sender: sdveris@apprentice.qualcomm.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_12706902==_" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com From: eudora-rep@qualcomm.com (Scott Dveris) The most important key item is the "Mime-Version:" header, which tells the UA (in your case pine) that this is a mime message. You should be able to edit you heads so that the look like: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--0-1024407403-786752173:#23303--" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:33:10 -0800 To: you@some.place.com From: someone@foo.bar.com --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=temp Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: [Base 64 Encoded stuff here] --0-1024407403-786752173:#23303-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:23:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02248; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:23:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16617; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:19:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16611; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:18:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFgdY-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:38:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02666; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:38:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14727; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14721; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFglh-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) Subject: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 7 Dec 1994 16:19:01 GMT Message-Id: <3c4n9l$715@martha.utk.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have tried to get PC-Pine 3.91 with packet driver to work with the NCSA packet drivers. Everything seems to work except that I can not connect to the Host computer. Does anyone have ideas of what needs to be in the CONFIG.TEL file to solve this problem. Boyd Dearden Stat. & Comp. Serv. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:52:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02987; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:52:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14962; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14956; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFh5Z-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fred@dbx.ml.ee (Fred New) Subject: Re: PINE binaries for SCO Unix? Date: 8 Dec 1994 09:02:03 GMT Message-Id: <3c6i2b$3q9@horos.kbfi.ee> References: <3c5q53$hnq@doc.jmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: For compiled binaries of PINE for SCO Unix, try ftp: ftp.celestial.com/pub/sco-sites/unix (I think I got that correct, I don't have it written down anywhere. They have two versions--MMDF and non-MMDF. Read the README files.) -- ss------------------------------------------------------------------------ss Fred New, Systems Administrator (This space intentionally filled in.) IC Systems | Sakala 19 | Tallinn EE0001 | Estonia Internet--fred@ml.ee voice--(372) 6-308-900 fax--(372) 6-308-901 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 03:52:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03008; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:52:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16989; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16983; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:49:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFh3X-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mvdg@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Subject: printing on Mac stylewriter II Date: 8 Dec 1994 00:35:43 GMT Message-Id: <3c5kcv$hnc@news.sas.ab.ca> Status: O X-Status: I am having difficulty figuring out how to print pine documents to my printer. I have tried several configurations to no avail. Q.Is it possible to print from pine on a Mac using the "ansi" default on pine? Q.Is the configuration problem in my software? I am using Claris communications package. Thanks for any help. Matthew van der Giessen mvdg@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 04:14:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04145; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:14:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17562; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:09:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17556; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:09:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFhMi-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 03:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ted Y Wilson Subject: "Home directory" folder Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:44:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: After entering the 'folder' environment of PINE, I see below the mail folders a band which has the message that my home directory access folder has been disabled, or some such, and that I should select to restore it. My question is: How do I look at my home directory using Pine? I can see it at the unix % prompt by using the list ls command. It might be handy to look at it from inside Pine, however. Any help out there, particularly at the U. Mich. sysop command post? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 04:39:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04521; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:39:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15778; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:34:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15772; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:34:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFhlQ-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:45:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one stoke of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the newsreader 'rn'. If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 05:04:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05183; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:04:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18098; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18092; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:00:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFi3y-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 04:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Sergey A. Nikolaev" Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:46:20 +0300 Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > intrepid@InterLink.NET wrote: > : I would like to obtain a copy of Pine e-mail software for SCO-UNIX. > : Could u please advise me accordingly. > : Harry Marks (intrepid) > > Well, the place I used to have it evaporated, so I've just uploaded it to > another archive for SCO software, odi.cwc.whecn.edu. Anonymous FTP > there. Currently, the package (named pine3.91.sco.bins.tar.gz) rests in > /pub/in-coming, but will get moved before long to something under > /pub/sco-ports. If you have the development kit (including the > developer's version of TCP/IP), you can compile it yourself without any > troubles. I'm also going to upload it to ftp.celestial.com, as soon as I > can figure out where. > > Gunther Anderson > > I have just obtained the pine binaries from the source above. When starting and opening "INBOX", pine exits with messages: Bug in Pine detected: "Abort signal recieved" Exiting Pine. My system is System V/386 Release 3.2 Could you advise me what to do? Sergey Nikolaev. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 05:53:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06343; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:53:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18801; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:49:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rs8.loc.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18795; Thu, 8 Dec 94 05:49:11 -0800 Received: by rs8.loc.gov (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39200; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:50:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Russell Neuswanger" To: pine-info Subject: pine bug Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Suddenly pine thinks I have an interrupted message to continue. (I don't. I had two, and disposed of them; may that be the problem? I've been hearing about such a one ...) It asks me when I sign on if I want to continue, I tell it yes, it discovers there isn't one after all -- and then it tells me some gibberish about not being able to delete my mailbox! R. R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life Edel sei der Mensch, Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance Hilfreich und gut AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP), LC Denn das allein Washington, DC 20540-4120 Unterscheidet ihn ... 202.707.8747 (shared line) -- Goethe rrne@loc.gov or neuswang@mail.loc.gov No teratobibliotic entity avows *my* emanations. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:43:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07383; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:43:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17503; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:34:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17497; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:34:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFjdR-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nuonw@sunrise.cs.jmu.edu (waddhana nuon ) Subject: PINE binaries for SCO Unix? Date: 8 Dec 1994 02:13:55 GMT Message-Id: <3c5q53$hnq@doc.jmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have compiled binaries of PINE for SCO Unix machines? I cannot get the source to compile on our i386 machines at all. Please e-mail me any answers. Thank you. Dana Nuon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:51:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07574; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:51:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17663; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:45:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17657; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:45:26 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26615-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:29:44 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA07065; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:35:28 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:35:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell To: MARK A JANKOVITS Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes, it is indeed a very good idea. ...and you achieve it using Pine's wonderful Select and Apply commands. The former lets you select all or a subset of messages (email or news). The latter lets you apply a command to the selection (delete, save, print, etc). Try these four keystrokes: ; A ...to select all messages A D ...to apply a delete command to the selection See? Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, MARK A JANKOVITS wrote: > > > I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. > Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I > noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting > from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these > unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is > to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: > how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? > Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one > stoke > of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. > > The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the > newsreader 'rn'. > > > If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what > would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the > maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties > Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 06:56:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07686; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:56:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19593; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:50:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19587; Thu, 8 Dec 94 06:50:35 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:46:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:46:49 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "R. Russell Neuswanger" Cc: pine-info Subject: Re: pine bug In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, R. Russell Neuswanger wrote: > Suddenly pine thinks I have an interrupted message to continue. > (I don't. I had two, and disposed of them; may that be the problem? I've > been hearing about such a one ...) > It asks me when I sign on if I want to continue, I tell it yes, it > discovers there isn't one after all -- and then it tells me some gibberish > about not being able to delete my mailbox! Look in your configuration for the "postponed-folder" entry and then go to your $HOME/mail directory and rm that file. That will return things to normal. You could also move that file to another file... and keep the other file around in case the pine team wants a look at it to see how it became corrupted. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 07:10:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08293; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:10:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20000; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:05:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tucana.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19994; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:05:39 -0800 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by tucana with SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:04:53 +0000 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:04:16 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:04:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: Mike Brudenell Cc: MARK A JANKOVITS , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1636 Status: O X-Status: > ...and you achieve it using Pine's wonderful Select and Apply commands. > The former lets you select all or a subset of messages (email or news). > The latter lets you apply a command to the selection (delete, save, > print, etc). > Try these four keystrokes: > ; A ...to select all messages > A D ...to apply a delete command to the selection Here Mike has used the ; and the A commands. The ; and the A commands (together with the Z command) form Pine's "aggregate command set". The ; command allows you to select all the messages that match some criteria; the A command allows to apply some command to each of the selected messages; and the Z command allows you to zoom in on the selected messages by changing the folder index temporarily so that only these messages are displayed. In order to use any of these commands, you need to have enable-aggregate-command-set included in the setting of the feature-list variable. To do this, go to the Main Menu, press S followed by C. You should now be in the Config Screen. Now move the cursor down to the line containing: [ ] enable-aggregate-command-set If there is no X between the [ and ], press X. You should now have: [X] enable-aggregate-command-set Press E to leave the Config Screen. You should now be able to use the ; A and Z commands. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 Academic Support Group, IT Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 08:46:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10969; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:46:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20767; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:54:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20761; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:54:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFkvx-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 07:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 8 Dec 1994 14:47:57 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Archive-name: signature_finger_faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 31 October 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS | / \ | Telling the World Who You Are | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below ... 1.3 Elm ... 1.4 Mail ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E ... 1.7 NN ... 1.8 GNUS ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You ... 2.5 Backfinger Script ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files 4.0 Organization Header ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 4.3 Elm ... 4.4 NN 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article This article describes these three ways to tell people on the Internet more about yourself: * Signature file automatically included in your mail and news messages * Finger information displayed when people finger you * Organization line in your mail and news headers ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. This collection of articles is first published in 1994 and is copyrighted by Nancy McGough (except subjects 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, and 2.5 which are Copyright (c) 1994 by the authors named in the sections). No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the authors. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements + means someone who is new since the last time I posted this FAQ (i.e., since 16 September 1994). Thanks to these people who contributed digest items: Jym Dyer Mike Northam + Janet Rosenbaum Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: + Jeff Blaine Stephen Cristol + Terry Gray + Sven Guckes + Mary McGough David L Miller + Skip Montanaro David W. Tamkin Sid Weinstein Thanks to these people who've written documents, programs, or asii art that are pointed to in this article. (This list is not complete right now....) + Bob Allison + Jorn Barger + Piero Serini + Doug Stevenson + Bill Wohler + Scott A. Yanoff Special thanks to: + Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol RFC Internet Request For Comments Document URL Uniform Resource Locator ^x Hold down the Ctrl key and the x key at the same time ~ your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, like the Bourne shell (sh) and Bourne-again shell (bash), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to a manual page This and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split a digested article by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed simultaneously) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/Folders/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/Folders/faq.split. (Replace ~/Folders with your folder directory.) pine -if ~/Folders/faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) and procmail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. In Pico use ^x to exit and answer y when asked if you want to save your changes. chmod 644 .signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l .signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. For many newsreaders and mailers this is all you need to do to set up your signature. For example the default behaviour of tin(1) and the rn family of tools - rn(1), trn(1), strn(1), & Pnews(1) - is to automatically append ~/.signature, if it exists. If you use Pine, Elm, Mail, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, NN, or GNUS follow the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and Distribution set to ``local'' to save bandwidth). Note that with many newsreaders and mailers you will not see your signature while you are composing a message - it will be automaticlally appended when you send the message. Note also that many systems add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have a problem with your sig see section 1.9 on Troubleshooting. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine The default for Pine 3.90 and above is to automatically append .signature (if it exists) to your messages. Many people like to set the signature-at-bottom variable which will put your signature below both your message and the message you are replying to (if you've included it). Note that if you are forwarding a message your signature will be put below the message that you write but above the forwarded message. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Space bar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ can be used for your $HOME directory. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Pine 3.89 often want to edit their ~/.pinerc file so that it contains the following: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom Note that Pine's default is to use ~/.signature for your signature so you only need to edit the following line if you are using a different file. signature-file= SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Elm should edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:40 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.4 Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.misc By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" SEE ALSO ======== Manual pages: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:50 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:60 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E Followup-To: comp.mail.mh By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. SEE ALSO ======== MH FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html MH Manual: mh(1) MH Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:70 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.7 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of NN should edit their ~/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post offf Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news posting software (usually inews) automatically appends ~/.signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:80 GMT From: Mike Northam Subject: ... 1.8 GNUS Followup-To: gnu.emacs.gnus Copyright (c) 1994 Mike Northam In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html Newsgroup: gnu.emacs.gnus ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:01:90 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems A common problem people have with .signature (and .plan, .project, and .forward ) files is that the permissions are not set correctly. Check to make sure that you have set the permissions as instructed in 1.0 above. If you are still having problems read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string "signature". There may be a variable you need to set in order for the ~/.signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [spacebar] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) For more information on reading manual pages see the man(1), less(1), and/or more(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions People around the world can find out more about you by fingering you. This is done by typing the following at a Unix prompt: finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name On some systems finger is linked to f so the following also works: f YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name Finger displays different information on different systems. Often it will display your full name, your default shell, when your were last logged on, and your ~/.plan and ~/.project files. If you finger someone and the display takes more than one page you can pipe the output through less (or more if you don't have less). For example to find out about Halcyon, my Internet service provider, type: finger info@halcyon.com |less ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering In addition to using the finger or f command you can finger people through a Web browser. The following is a form that Doug Stevenson created: http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/finger.pl You can also use this URL: gopher://fully.qualified.domain.name:79/0userid ^ Note: 0 precedes the userid For example you can finger my Internet service provider with this URL: gopher://halcyon.com:79/0info ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. After you have changed your information check that they are in place by fingering yourself. Also to see a different display of your information type the following at your Unix prompt: finger This displays a one line description of everyone currently logged on your system. For more information see the chfn(1), passwd(1), and finger(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project Your ~/.project and ~/.plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a ~/.signature file (described in 1.0 above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory. pico .plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l .plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). To test your changes finger yourself by type each of the following at your Unix prompt: finger YourUserID finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name To ensure that people from other systems can finger you should ask someone who's not on your system to finger you too. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For details see the news.answers article ``Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting]'', subject ``4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me?'' This article is archived in a number of places including these two URLs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/unix-faq/faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/part4 One easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu $HOME/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's interesting to see when the last time someone was checking on me! [Note that under AFS (Andrew File System, a distributed filesystem), ls -lu $HOME/.plan will not work due to the fact that AFS has no notion of ``atime'', or ``last accessed time''.] ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:50 GMT From: Janet Rosenbaum Subject: ... 2.5 Backfinger Script Copyright (c) 1994 Janet Rosenbaum There is a script available called, among other things, backfinger, planner, and finger_logger (flogger or frogger, for short). This script makes your plan into a named pipe (just think of this as a sort of pipe used with plumbing that opens out onto the screen of the person who is fingering you (fred)) so that when it is accessed, it looks for a program from which to get something to stick on fred's screen. The script is called when you are fingered. At that moment, it looks to the finger port of your unix machine and sees which machine fred is on, logs that machine's IP number and hostname, and the date. The script can then execute a command to spit a plan out on fred's screen. (One might get creative and write a program that generates random poetry or use the fortune program or just do "cat plan_file".) To make fred think you are really cool, it also tells him what machine he is fingering you from. Some caveats: -- This program must be running at all times on your system even when you are logged out. Leaving a background process like this annoys most sys admins to no end, especially on systems with high load. Do **not** run the program unless you are sure that you are allowed to run background processes like this. -- Also, if you decide you want to stop running this program, remove your .plan file as soon as you kill the process. If you do not do this, all finger processes for you will hang. -- This script only tells you the machine fred is fingering you from, not his actual username. It is nearly impossible to get this information except at sites with bad security. Given the above, I will distribute the script to those who can use it, mostly for educational reasons. I admit that I no longer run the program, since my two main accounts are on rather high-load systems. Nevertheless, I learned quite a lot from modifying these scripts and otherwise playing with these ideas. Here is the web site: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jrosen/scripts/logger.src I will also try to post this answer and the program to comp.sources.misc at least monthly for those without web access. (For those who have not figured out the web, try the program lynx if you are on a vt100 or vt220 type terminal. If you are on an xterm or hpterm, look for xmosaic.) Note: I am not the author of this program. The version I distribute is virtually identical to that distributed by Steve Franklin. Here are the real authors: Author: Tony Rems Modifications by Geoff Loker More modifications by Karen Bruner Even more modifications by Norman Franke More revisions by Steve Franklin Llamas and minor revision by The Blue One Enjoy! Janet ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:02:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger Scott Yanoff's "Updated Internet Services List" contains a number of interesting places to finger. If you access it through the following URL all the finger commands are links. http://www.uwm.edu/Mirror/inet.services.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files , \ / , / \ )\__/( / \ / \ (_\ /_) / \ ____/_____\__\@ @/___/_____\____ | |\../| | | \VV/ | | HAPPY HALLOWEEN! | |_________________________________| | /\ / \\ \ /\ | | / V )) V \ | |/ ` // ' \| Art by Jorn Barger ` V ' It is considered good netiquette to keep your signature to four lines or less. And many news posters, like inews, will not post an article that has a signature with more than four lines in it. So, put large pictures, your life story, etc. in your finger files or in your Web pages and point people to them in your signature. A good source of art for your signature and finger files is the ascii art FAQ which contains (among others) these topics: 9 Where can I find ASCII art? 22 How do I put an animation in my plan? 23 How do I make a sig? 24 How do I have my sig automatically added to my posts and email? The Ascii Art FAQ can be found at either of the following. (I think these aren't the same so you might want to look at both of them.) http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/faq.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ascii-art-faq/faq.html One particularly good place to find ascii art is: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/scarecrow.html SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii, alt.ascii-art, alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art.animation ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Organization Header The Organization header in news and mail messages is another way you can tell people about yourself. It is an optional header described in section 2.2.8 of RFC1036, "Standard for Interchange of Usenet Messages." ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family Followup-To: news.newusers.questions Tin and the rn family of tools (Pnews, rn, trn, strn) get information for the Organization header from the ORGANIZATION environment variable if it exists. In the csh or tcsh you can set this variable in your ~/.login with a line like this: setenv ORGANIZATION "Your Organization Name" After you edit your ~/.login you can establish the setting by either logging out and loggin back in or by typing the following at your Unix prompt: source ~/.login To check that the variable is set type: printenv After it is set, post a test message to a local test newsgroup with local distribution to check that the Organization header is correct. SEE ALSO ======== Manual Pages: tin(1), Pnews(1), rn(1), trn(1), strn(1) Newsgroup: news.newusers.questions ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In Pine 3.90 or above you set the Organization and other headers using the customized-hdrs variable. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the customized-hdrs variable: a) Space bar and arrow down to the customized-hdrs variable. b) Type a for Add Value c) At the prompt type: Organization: Your Organization Name Note that if you have set the ORGANIZATION environment variable (which is described in 4.1 above) you can type: Organization: $ORGANIZATION While reading a message that you've received you can view the Organization header and all the other headers by typing h. If h does not work you need to go to your configuration menu and set the enable-full-header-cmd variable. Note that the customized-hdrs variable is not available in Pine 3.89 and below. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Use your editor to create a file named ~/.elm/elmheaders that contains any headers you'd like in your outgoing mail messages. For example, my ~/.elm/elmheaders file contains this one line: Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, WA, USA SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:04:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.4 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn Use your editor to put the following lines in your ~/.nn/init file: set news-header Organization: Your Organization Name set mail-header Organization: Your Organization Name This will add the Organization header to both news and mail messages sent from NN. While reading messages with NN you can view the Organization line by adding O (the letter "oh") to your header-lines variable setting. I like the following setting: set header-lines AFOnWK*Y SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1994 00:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com End of signature_finger_faq Digest ********************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough | http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink | ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 08:47:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11030; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:47:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19747; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19741; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFlah-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hsgold@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Harry S. Gold) Subject: cmsg cancel <3c4vli$522@news.ycc.yale.edu> Control: cancel <3c4vli$522@news.ycc.yale.edu> Date: 8 Dec 1994 04:13:38 GMT Message-Id: <3c615i$ie1@news.ycc.yale.edu> Status: O X-Status: Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:06:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12346; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:06:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20291; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20285; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFltN-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Sending Hungarian messages in Pine-MIME Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:28:51 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I would like to send Hungarian messages back and forth between two persons in the states. Probably all I need is the address of an FTP file. I know how to make the files in Wordperfect and how to download them to my home directory, and probably how to attach them to PINE. But I don't know which option to pick, how to unpack, or anything else relevant. Can anybody help me? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:07:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12415; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:07:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22311; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22305; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFlwt-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Expanding Speller Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:30:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there any way to add words to the Speller, so that it doesn't stop every time on, say "panix.com?" __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:07:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12444; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:07:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22303; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22297; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:01:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFltj-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 08:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: undigest Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:14:14 GMT Message-Id: <3c552m$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Nancy McGough with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 6 Dec 1994 21:35:27 GMT: + I agree it would be great to be able to deal with an index of attachments + the same way that you deal with a regular folder index, e.g., to be able to + forward, respond to, or delete individual attachments. That will be the day. Cutting edge s/w technology...:) + I have a question about how best to format my FAQs so that someone + who uses Pine as his newsreader can easily choose the subjects he's + interested in. If I format each digest item like this: ......... + Will Pine users be able to view the index by typing V? + Is this the best strategy for posting digests so Pine users + can read them? Although this would be very nice, there are many people who still use older vers. of Pine. So the FAQ might run into newsgroup-option/mime version compatibility problems. How about one MIME digest ver, and the other a regular ver.? :) -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 09:56:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14861; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:56:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21738; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:50:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21732; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:50:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFmji-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@coho.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:03:15 GMT Message-Id: <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> References: <3c4n9l$715@martha.utk.edu> Status: O X-Status: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) writes: >I have tried to get PC-Pine 3.91 with packet driver to work with the NCSA >packet drivers. Everything seems to work except that I can not connect to >the Host computer. Does anyone have ideas of what needs to be in the >CONFIG.TEL file to solve this problem. Is the host running IMAP? SPECFICALLY what problems are you seeing and what is/is not happening? -- Northwest NEXUS, Inc. takes Internet OUT of the box! info@nwnexus.wa.com, finger info@halcyon.com, or: http://www.halcyon.com / +1 206 455 3505 voice From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:16:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15568; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:16:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24021; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:10:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24015; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:10:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFn1f-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 09:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:53:27 GMT Message-Id: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:19:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15835; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:19:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22345; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22339; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:38 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24685; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:15:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Neil Le Quesne Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook In-Reply-To: <3c6esd$v57@adam.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The address book code was almost completely rewritten for 3.90 and some incompatibilities showed up. In fact, there were some serious address book problems with 3.90, ranging from not being able to read address books that worked with 3.89 to some cases where address book data was destroyed. 3.91 is much better than 3.90 with regards to address book bugs and other bugs, as well. 3.92 will be even better, I think. All of these versions were *supposed* to be backwards-compatible with previous versions of the address book. If it still isn't, that's a bug and we'd really like to know about it. If anyone has an address book that 3.91 can't read please send a bug report, including the addressbook as an attachment if possible. (3.90+ did introduce a new file, .addressbook.lu, that wasn't in previous versions. This file should be built and maintained automatically. You should be able to remove that file and it will come back by itself. When it creates that file it isn't creating a new addressbook, just a lookup file for the same old address book. The lookup file's purpose is to allow us to support large address books without slowing things down and without using lots of memory.) Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 8 Dec 1994, Neil Le Quesne wrote: > Mark A. Stephan (markstep@engin.umich.edu) wrote: > : When I switched versions of pine, I realized that the new pine was not > : accepting the old addressbook, and was trying to create a new one. Anyone > : get this problem? > > Interesting that you mention this. Just a few minutes ago I was discussing > Pine with the sysop on my system, and was advised that we would not be > upgrading to Pine 3.91 because it was not backwards-compatible (ie. will > not read old addressbook and other user-configurable elements). I'd love > to know if this can be overcome. Anyway..thought you might be interested :) > > Neil Le Quesne > Managing Partner > Asian Trade Links > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > A S I A N T R A D E L I N K S > > Linking Australia & Asia in Trade > > 3/237 Belair Road, Torrens Park, SA, Australia, 5062 > Phone/Fax: 61 (8) 374-1130 E-Mail: atl-aust@adam.com.au > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 10:30:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16186; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:30:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22574; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:25:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22568; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:25:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24991; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:24:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Paul Bloomquist Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how do you disable KBLock function in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Create the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed file containing the line: feature-list=disable-keyboard-lock-cmd Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Paul Bloomquist wrote: > How does one disable the KBLock function, we are using pine on an rs6000 > running AIX. Pine is our default mail program, and the KBLock feature is > not desired in our lab. > > Thanks for the replies, > > -Paul > > P.S. please reply via E-Mail to pbloomqu@westmx.westmont.edu > > _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ / //// Westmont College / > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / 0 0 Santa Barbara, CA / > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ /o00--()--00o---------------/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ /-|- Paul Bloomquist / > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ / | pbloomqu@westmont.edu / > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 13:05:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24217; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:05:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26409; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:50:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26403; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:50:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFpRA-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Date: 8 Dec 1994 17:11:16 GMT Message-Id: <3c7enk$hmh@martha.utk.edu> References: <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In message <3c777j$iqe@news.halcyon.com> - ralphs@coho.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes: >SPECFICALLY what problems are you seeing and what is/is not happening? > PC-Pine executes and when connecting to the INBOX on the server it comes back with a host not found error. I have been successful in seting PC-Pine up to run with FTP Inc. but not with the packet drivers. IMAPD is runnig. Boyd Dearden Stat. & Comp. Serv. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 13:19:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24714; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:19:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28436; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:06:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28427; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:06:38 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19644; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:08:30 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:08:30 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: UNSUBSCRIBE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 14:10:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26657; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:10:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29695; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:05:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29689; Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:05:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFqfW-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecmsf@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Mary S. Freeman) Subject: sent-mail Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:24:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c55l0$qii@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> Status: O X-Status: I don't have a lot of space left on my school account. I tried to just delete sent-mail file. Without a sent-mail file pine will not send my mail. is there any way to fix that? Susan f. -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 15:40:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00597; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:40:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01766; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:35:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01760; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:35:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFs4w-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 15:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Suggestion for ; Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:33:00 GMT Message-Id: <3c565s$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Brad with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:19:17 +0000: + How about, as well as being able to Zoom in on selected messages, to + be able to *Hide* them? I sometime want to be able to hide all mailing list + messages, for example, so that I can easily read just personal mail. How about this key sequence: ; T ^T Z ; Selection T Text ^T Control-T(Go to the first *personal* mail which is marked + and then hit control-t to select those addressed specifically to you) Z Zoom the personal mail messages. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 16:41:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03191; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:41:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01642; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:36:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01636; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:36:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFt3t-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 18:48:28 GMT Message-Id: <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first This is a wrong URL.... :( Could you please double check it? Thanks!! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 16:45:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03363; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:45:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03319; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:42:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03307; Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:42:04 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:38:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:38:20 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Wet-Sprocket Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? In-Reply-To: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 7 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: > > + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I > + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, > + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? > > Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to > subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the > complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! > > The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. > I think you misunderstood the question slightly. (Or my pine works a bit different than yours.) I believe the original poster wanted to see the entire list of newsgroups that were available placed in a file so that he could read at his leisure. While the method you describe does *show* all the groups on the screen....it only saves the ones you've subscribed to in the .newsrc file. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 17:43:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06209; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:43:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04660; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:40:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04654; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:40:11 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:36:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:36:24 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine In-Reply-To: <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 8 Dec 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: > : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out > > : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first > > This is a wrong URL.... :( > > Could you please double check it? Thanks!! I was able to get to it using the above information. What problem are you seeing? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 18:10:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07193; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:10:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05138; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:06:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05130; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:06:39 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08264; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:48 +1000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:47 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 18:21:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07482; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:21:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05338; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:17:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05332; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:17:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFua3-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 19:24:34 GMT Message-Id: <3c7mhi$dbl@news.bu.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> Status: O X-Status: try IP address 140.114.202.26 Henry Kuo (hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu) wrote: : Zaher Hammoud (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out : : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first : This is a wrong URL.... :( : Could you please double check it? Thanks!! : Henry -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:07:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08729; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:07:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04263; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:02:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [203.5.73.2] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04257; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:01:56 -0800 Received: from eve.adam.com.au (adam.com.au [203.2.124.1]) by goliath.camtech.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08197; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:31:37 +1030 Received: (from atl-aust@localhost) by eve.adam.com.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA22772; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:33:00 +1030 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:33:00 +57100 From: Neil Le Quesne Subject: Re: not reading .addressbook To: Steve Hubert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > The address book code was almost completely rewritten for 3.90 and some > incompatibilities showed up. In fact, there were some serious address > book problems with 3.90, ranging from not being able to read address books > that worked with 3.89 to some cases where address book data was destroyed. > 3.91 is much better than 3.90 with regards to address book bugs and other > bugs, as well. 3.92 will be even better, I think. All of these versions > were *supposed* to be backwards-compatible with previous versions of the > address book. If it still isn't, that's a bug and we'd really like to know > about it. If anyone has an address book that 3.91 can't read please send > a bug report, including the addressbook as an attachment if possible. > > (3.90+ did introduce a new file, .addressbook.lu, that wasn't in previous > versions. This file should be built and maintained automatically. You > should be able to remove that file and it will come back by itself. When > it creates that file it isn't creating a new addressbook, just a lookup > file for the same old address book. The lookup file's purpose is to > allow us to support large address books without slowing things down and > without using lots of memory.) > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > Many thanks for your comments. I'll pass this on to our sysop, and hopefully he will attempt to resolve the problem with you. Cheers, Neil Le Quesne. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:14:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08981; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:14:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04467; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:11:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04461; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:11:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFvVA-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: pine 3.91 message Date: 8 Dec 1994 12:26:31 GMT Message-Id: <3c6u1n$cl3@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c5c00$rlk@news.cc.ucf.edu> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, jim@pegasus (Jim Ennis) says: >When I send mail in Pine 3.91, I get the message 'Writing Fcc'. In pine 3.89 >I get the (preferred message) 'Sending mail'. How do I change the message >in pine 3.91 to the older message? Pine does give you both messages, except the ``sending'' apppears first. Then Pine writes the folder copy. This appears to be the reverse of the way earlier Pines would first write the copy, then try sending the mail. I notice this because I write my fcc via IMAP over a slow link, and also use the SMTP client function of Pine, so both can take a bit of time. First, Pine verifies that the fcc can be written (opening the IMAP link, etc.), then sends the message, then writes the fcc, giving you the chance to correct any errors in specifying fcc, and also not writing your copy until the message actually did get sent. Previously, with a *very* old Pine set to talk SMTP, I could be talking to a SMTP server which wouldn't acknowledge me in the time I was given, so the message wouldn't be sent, but I would still have the fcc written. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 19:29:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09267; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:29:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06330; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:26:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06324; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:26:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFvhg-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 19:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 8 Dec 1994 12:41:44 GMT Message-Id: <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu> References: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) says: >Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: >8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't >display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know >how to unpack 8-bit encoding. Pine is capable of handling properly tagged C-T-E=8BIT messages. However, it will say that it does not know how to display messages with a C-T-E of 8BIT, but a charset of US-ASCII. I guess that is what you have gotten. One shouldn't be sending out 8-bit messages tagged as US-ASCII, but on the other hand, since no matter whether the text is truly ASCII or some 8-bit character set, it could simply be passed to the display for viewing, my gut feeling is that Pine here should be forgiving, in the ``be liberal about what you accept but conservative in what you send out'' philosophy. I have had this happen to me, hacking such headers into mail without thinking about what I was doing and having Pine complain, but Pine has never had difficulty displaying C-T-E=8BIT text when tagged as ISO-8859-1 or KOI8-R or VIDEOTEX-SUPPL or whatever you happen to be using. Only when said text arrives claiming to be US-ASCII does Pine take notice. At the same time, I've had Pine display the 7-bit equivalent of what had been 8-bit text when the path has not been fully 8-bit clean, in the case of reading the KOI8-R relcom news articles from a news server that doesn't feel it important to preserve the 8th bit, so don't expect that simply by putting a C-T-E=8BIT header in your news or mail, that the 8th bit will be preserved. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:21:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11440; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:21:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07933; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:18:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07927; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:18:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFxQ0-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 20:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@hal10k.com (Top Dog) Subject: Pine can't write config file Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 06:47:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble with Pine3.91 writing to my .pinerc file and to a temp file to send mail. Although it can post to the nntp server. I am at a loss. I have checked my permissions on this file and it is correct. I am using Linux and sendmail. When pine starts it tells me 'can't write to .pinerc, unknown error. When I choose 'S' and configure 'C' to setup pine, after I exit the configuration I get the same error. When I try to compose mail i get 'can't write to tmp file to send mail' or something to that effect. I don't know what the problem is. I don't have this problem with pine3.89. If anyone has any ideas please email me. I will reply using another program. Thanks Andre -- ______________________________________________________________________ __ ___ _ __ __ __ __ /\ \ /\_ \ /' \ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ \ \ \___ __ \//\ \ /\_, \/\ \/\ \ /\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ \ \ _ `\ /'__`\ \ \ \ \/_/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\.\_ \_\ \_ \ \ \ \ \_\ \__\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\/\____\ \ \_\ \____/\ \\ \____/\ \____/\ \____/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/\/____/ \/_/\/___/\ \/ \/___/ \/___/ \/___/ \/ Running Linux v1.1.56 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell root@hal10k.com Baton Rouge, LA abell@hal10k.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:23:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11489; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:23:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06194; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:17:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06188; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:17:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFxPt-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 20:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andre Bell Subject: test Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 05:39:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having trouble with pine3.91. It won't write to the config file. I am using linux and zlibc.so.4.6.20. Please help. ______________________________________________________________________ __ ___ _ __ __ __ __ /\ \ /\_ \ /' \ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ /'__`\ \ \ \___ __ \//\ \ /\_, \/\ \/\ \ /\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ \ \ _ `\ /'__`\ \ \ \ \/_/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \L\.\_ \_\ \_ \ \ \ \ \_\ \__\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\/\____\ \ \_\ \____/\ \\ \____/\ \____/\ \____/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/\/____/ \/_/\/___/\ \/ \/___/ \/___/ \/___/ \/ Running Linux v1.1.56 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell root@hal10k.com Baton Rouge, LA abell@hal10k.com [A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 21:57:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12211; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08399; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:52:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08325; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:48:21 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA03294; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:41:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:11:12 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Rochberg X-Sender: rr@spock To: Arts and Sciences Computing Consultant Subject: to pass on to the gods of pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:39:15 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: A&S NeXT Lab Consultant Resent-To: Hussain Chinoy Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:40:47 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: GH Chinoy Resent-To: pine-info@artsci.wustl.edu Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:41:38 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: GH Chinoy Resent-To: Pine Info List Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: the instructions for editing distribution lists in the address book are incomplete. to edit an entry in the list can be done but you have to hit return at the first edit option to get to that state...that isn't clear in the instructions From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:14:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12674; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:14:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08681; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08675; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyJa-00000EC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 "cannot unpack 8-bit encoding"? huh? Date: 8 Dec 1994 13:07:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3c7i0h$i8g@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> References: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3c6uu8$d4q@news.ysu.edu>, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > > In a previous article, steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) says: > > >Then I tried to read a NON-encoded, i.e. "Content-Transfer-Encoding: > >8-bit" message in the same character set and pine balks. It won't > >display the message, and the multipart viewer claims it doesn't know > >how to unpack 8-bit encoding. > > Pine is capable of handling properly tagged C-T-E=8BIT messages. You are entirely correct, as was Mark Crispin who emailed me. The problem was of course that the message was NOT properly tagged. The person sending it a content-transfer-encoding of '8-bit' rather than '8bit'. Shoulda checked the RFCs first; sigh. -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:15:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12698; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:15:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06921; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06915; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:12:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyGC-00000BC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 21:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Another Pine is Accessing Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:52:06 GMT Message-Id: <3c579m$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Mark Crispin with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:55:32 -0800: + The problem with adding a command to do this is that such a command would + pretty much do all of the work of exiting and restarting Pine. Since Pine + is running short of single-letter commands, do we really want to spend one + of the last available characters to do something you can do with the 6 + character sequence qpine? True, but atleast something if done in this situation that would help a lot. Situation: I use suspend feature (^Z) a lot, and sometimes i forget that i have suspended the pine session, and by mistake instead of typing fg, i type pine -i and then after a little while it lets me into a READ-ONLY session at the same time making the previous (suspended) session READ-ONLY too. So I end up quitting this and the previous session and start pine afresh. Many a times I tell myself not to repeat this, but it just happens.... Many Thanks...and keep up the *Great* work!! -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 22:43:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13218; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:43:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07168; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07162; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:33:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFyZh-000006C; Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gmartz@nwcl.net (Greg Martz) Subject: PC-Pine 3.91 and imap problem Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:20:06 LOCAL Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Just installed imapd on the server, and tried out PC-Pine 3.91. It can connect to imap just fine, I put in my userid, and my password, but it says incorrect password for user. I've tried just several different user id's and passwords, but none of them will work. Does anyone have any ideas that could jump start it? Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 8 23:54:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14427; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:54:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09935; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:52:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09929; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:52:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rFzrE-00000FC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 23:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@CIM.McGill.CA (Steve Robbins) Subject: cmsg cancel <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Control: cancel <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Date: 8 Dec 1994 13:07:31 -0500 Message-Id: <3c7i13$i8n@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> Status: O X-Status: <3c57vd$2ck@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> was cancelled from within trn. -- Steve Robbins -- Consultant in Computerology steve@cim.mcgill.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 00:53:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15705; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:53:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08780; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:48:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08774; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:48:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG0hJ-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 00:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: casey@calon.com (casey) Subject: Pine 3.89 resending email Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 08:22:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: I've got over 54 messages in Pine 3.89 right now and this is the second time in a week it's happened. I rec'd email from A which was cc'd to two other people (there are four of us). I responded to A, and included the same cc list. I have since been getting the A message over and over, a blank message to *me*, and my response over and over. All of this email has the original time of sending. It seems to appear about every 20 minutes or so. One other person on this list is also getting the repeating email. The other two haven't accessed their mboxes, so we don't know (but I guess we can assume here). The first time it happened, last week, I sent email to X with no cc. That same email kept reappearing in my inbox roughly every 20 minutes or so. When X logged on, this stopped. Out of the clear blue. We are mystified. (Forget asking "support" since "support" is one of the accounts in this weird loop :-). Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 01:38:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17022; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:38:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11412; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:34:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11406; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:34:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG1PX-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Tab Completion && PICO Date: 7 Dec 1994 20:54:41 GMT Message-Id: <3c57eh$meg@news.halcyon.com> References: <199412052046.OAA28518@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) writes: > 1. What does the "enable tab completion" supposed to do ? Is it like the emacs/tcsh > filename completion command equivalent ? When you type G to go to a folder you can just type the first part of the folder name and then press the Tab key and Pine will complete the name (as long as you've given a unique beginning). I use this all the time, for example, for my faq-maintainers folder I just type: faq > 2. How do I get rid of the annoying "word wrapping" in Pico ?? I could invoke > Pico as an alternate editor with "pico -w" but I use Ispell as the alternate > editor. I'd also like to learn how to do this. The latest version of the Pine FAQ describes another way to use ispell (I think it's by setting the SPELL environment variable). If you can do your spell checking that way then you can use "pico -w" as your alternate editor. Let us know if there's any way to have Pico's default be with the -w flag. E.g., maybe there's a PICO environment variable... -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 02:12:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17725; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:12:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09853; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:07:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09847; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:07:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG1zx-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 01:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tc_thomas@pnl.gov (Tom Thomas) Subject: Help with printing attached to ansi from Mac Date: 8 Dec 1994 23:26:51 GMT Message-Id: <3c84nr$941@bbs.pnl.gov> Status: O X-Status: I cannot get the print attached to ansi to work on my Mac. The FAQ states that there is a problem with some comm software and recommends using Kermit. So I ran Kermit with no change. I was running Claris- works 2.1 before. The prompt says it is printing but nothing happens on my Stylewriter II. Any suggestions? Some setup in Kermit I am missing? aTdHvAaNnKcSe (Thanks in advance ;-) ) -------------------------------------------------- Tom Thomas tc_thomas@pnl.gov or tcthomas@oneworld.owt.com Pacific Northwest Laboratories, PO Box 999 MS K7-60, Richland, WA 99352 voice: (509) 375-2783 fax: (509) 375-6703 #define DISCLAIMER "My opinions are my own." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 02:25:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17888; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:25:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11981; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:21:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from andromeda.cp.dias.ie by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11975; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:21:27 -0800 Received: from cp.dias.ie by andromeda.cp.dias.ie with SMTP (PP) id <23720-0@andromeda.cp.dias.ie>; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:08:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:08:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Wai Ming Tai X-Sender: wai@andromeda To: Boyd Dearden Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver In-Reply-To: <3c7enk$hmh@martha.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I found that pcpine work with the clarkson packet driver. However, when I try to use the odipkt driver, there is a small problem, I have to use odipkt 3.0 and in the net.cfg add two lines: Link support buffers 6 1600 Then pcpine works perfectly! Wai. ====================================================================== | Mr. Wai-Ming Tai | E-mail: School of Cosmic Physics, | Internet: wai@cp.dias.ie The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, | SPAN: 29522::WAI 5 Merrion Square, Dublin 2. | IRELAND | Tel: +353-1-6621333 FAX: +353-1-6621477 | ====================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 03:12:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19019; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:12:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12532; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:07:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12526; Fri, 9 Dec 94 03:07:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG2sJ-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 02:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: 8BIT capable Chinese Pine Date: 8 Dec 1994 22:53:55 GMT Message-Id: <3c82q3$i0v@news.bu.edu> References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> <3c7kds$h9o@agate.berkeley.edu> <3c7mhi$dbl@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: or if unreachable, try NCTUCCCA.edu.tw:/Operating-Systems/Linux/collect/binary/utils nelson Nelson Chin (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : try IP address 140.114.202.26 : Henry Kuo (hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu) wrote: : : This is a wrong URL.... :( : : Could you please double check it? Thanks!! : : Henry -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 05:09:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22251; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:09:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12236; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:04:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12230; Fri, 9 Dec 94 05:04:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG4jA-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 04:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vsk@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Ville S.Kemppinen) Subject: Pine for X-window_ Date: 9 Dec 1994 10:41:11 GMT Message-Id: <3c9c87$s1g@idefix.eunet.fi> Status: O X-Status: Is there any version of Pine available for X-window? If there is, where to get it. Email is best: vsk@teleste.fi. -- /// vsk@teleste.fi /// Ville.S.Kemppinen@f130.n222.z2.fidonet.org /// Radio Ambola +358-(9)21-2484540 V.FC / 24H From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 06:39:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24213; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:39:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15391; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:28:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15385; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:28:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG61C-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:35:28 Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article MARK A JANKOVITS writes: >I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program. >Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion. I >noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting >from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these >unwanted postings. The only way to delete these unwanted postings is >to go through them linearly and delete them. Here's my suggestion: >how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held? >Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one >stoke >of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in. >The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the >newsreader 'rn'. >If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what >would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ->Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the >maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties >Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This feature already exists! Here's how to perform this amazing feat: Go to the configuration screen (main menu M, setup S, config C) enable-aggregate-command-set should be checked (on) When you are in the news group, press ";" for aggregate command Then press "A" for all Then "A" to apply an aggregate command Then "D" to select delete-all-selected Cheers !-) ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 06:51:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24508; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:51:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15742; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:43:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15733; Fri, 9 Dec 94 06:43:55 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA23806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:43:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 9:43:32 EST From: Joe Brennan To: tc_thomas@pnl.gov (Tom Thomas) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help with printing attached to ansi from Mac In-Reply-To: Your message of 8 Dec 1994 23:26:51 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: > I cannot get the print attached to ansi to work on my Mac. The FAQ > states that there is a problem with some comm software and recommends > using Kermit. So I ran Kermit with no change. I was running Claris- > works 2.1 before. The prompt says it is printing but nothing happens > on my Stylewriter II. > > Any suggestions? Some setup in Kermit I am missing? After pine says it printed, pull down the File menu and the choice "Print Captured Text" should be dark (usable). Let go on that and it will run your printer routine with the usual Mac print command window. Pine can't actually run the printer on a Mac, but it sends the data to a buffer that the communications application (kermit or whatever) can control. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 07:34:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25368; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:34:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14292; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:28:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14286; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:28:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG702-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Re: Suggestion for improvement on Pine Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:44:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3c5i6v$fk8@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: I would like to thank those who showed that my suggestion was already available. However, wouldn't it be a bit easier to have a single command at the bottom of the screen, rather than all those other keystrokes? I'm looking for simplicity, something that the new user could figure out without asking around. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 08:08:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26211; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:08:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16983; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:03:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16977; Fri, 9 Dec 94 08:03:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG7YE-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 07:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: mkpgp (& updates) available by e-mail Message-Id: <1994Dec8.182226.453@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 94 18:22:26 CST Status: O X-Status: mkpgp is a c-shell script that serves as a pgp interface for Pine. It may also function in a limited fashion with other mail programs that provide an alternate editor hook. finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more will put mkpgp.txt.uu in your current directory as you read the manual. ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ mkpgp is also available by e-mail. Send blank e-mail to slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp to get it. Send a second message with Subject: addtomkpgplist if you want updates sent you automatically. -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:15:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02701; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20277; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20271; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:02 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.EDU by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03313; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:11:00 -0800 Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21932; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:59 +0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher X-Sender: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 222 Status: O X-Status: How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" Keith Christopher Welch Medical Library Unix System Adminstrator --- http://tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu/keithc.html --- Who died and made you root@everywhere? --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:19:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02814; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:19:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18039; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18033; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:15:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rG9Xv-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sanders@pop.life.uiuc.edu (nefarious hoyden) Subject: help me: basic questions Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 11:44:51 -0600 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hello o pine experts, These are rudimentary questions, but i would appreciate your input: is there an easy way to transfer an entire mail folder onto a disk or hard drive? *and* how do i access the newsgroups through pine? do you prefer it to nn? ++++post or reply to cfkls@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu....not THIS address.++++ thanks! -- blue, green, and d minor the nefarious hoyden From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:48:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04244; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:48:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21029; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21023; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGA2Z-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ifrankel@teleport.com (Ira Frankel) Subject: How to Shell Date: 9 Dec 1994 10:17:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3ca704$lpr@linda.teleport.com> Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to shell from Pine (as one might in nn with "!")? Thanx for your response in advance. -- ifrankel@teleport.COM REMEMBER: TIME IS NATURE'S WAY OF KEEPING EVERYTHING FROM HAPPENING AT ONCE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 10:51:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04479; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:51:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18835; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:47:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18825; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:47:49 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:44:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:44:06 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > > How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" default-fcc=/dev/null Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:09:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05356; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:09:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19271; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:04:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19265; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:04:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGAK0-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Characters with code >= 128 in the message body Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:30:07 GMT Message-Id: <3c59gv$h4t@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3bqm4q$1m0@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3bqrrn$6rt@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> <3c002f$8i@nov-mirsev.cicese.mx> <3c1doo$peg@hustle.rahul.net> <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> Status: O X-Status: In <3c49a2$m8g@kantti.Helsinki.FI> viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) writes: >Except it will be a pain in the nether region to fill various >mailertables etc with names of all the "consenting adult partners". This was intended to be purely a user-driven feature. If user A wishes to include 8-bit text, he asks the mail agent to let him do so, and the mail agent obliges. Any table of "consenting adult partnetrs" is in the user's head. To protect naive users, the default action should of course be to always encode 8-bit text. -- Rahul Dhesi "At this point, you are babbling ignorantly." -- MRC@panda.COM (Mark Crispin) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:51:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07460; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:51:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20382; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:47:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20376; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:47:00 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA02971; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Keith Christopher Cc: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > > > > > How can I set this to default to off ? i.e. default-fcc="" > > default-fcc=/dev/null Here is a comment from .pinerc: # To suppress saving of outgoing mail, set: default-fcc="" And it works. But since 3.90, the best way to change the configuration is in the etup-onfig screen. To set default-fcc="", move the cursor on default-fcc then elete Val if there is something there then dd Value and hit to enter an . -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:53:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07546; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:53:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22576; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:48:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22570; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:48:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGB7b-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: pop3d Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:00:26 GMT Message-Id: References: <3c55qo$ocg@mark.ucdavis.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hemang Patel (ez017400@rocky.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I know that pine is an imap based e-mail program, but I am looking to : find pop3d. I have a copy of imapd that I obtained from : ftp.cac.washington.edu, but where do I find pop3? TIA. Buried in the IMAP package lies a POP3 server named ipop3d, as well as a POP2 server named ipop2d. The entire IMAP distribution is included with Pine. To find the pop daemon sources, go to the IMAP directory and look in ./ANSI/ipopd/ . Of course, if you're using a NON-ANSI system, look there instead. If you can compile pine, you can compile the pop daemons. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 11:58:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07728; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:58:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20507; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:52:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20495; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:52:07 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24112 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:43:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Knute Snortum , Patrick Short Subject: Solaris Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I hope this is the proper place to ask this question. I was told this was a mail list and tried to subscribe. Haven't seen anything from it yet. My question: Is pine supported (has anyone compiled/run it) under Sun Solaris? We have a client that would like to try it but I see no reference to Solaris in the source. TIA ______________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure, CPIM Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 12:04:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08314; Fri, 9 Dec 94 12:04:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20666; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:59:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20658; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:59:50 -0800 Received: (from sbpmtm@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA12076; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:59:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: SBPM Tech Mgt Subject: Another Suggestion for Improvement To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes has been cancelled. Sure the prompt provides a check, but it would be more efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Mala ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SBPM 202-994-8637 The George Washington University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 14:39:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14996; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:34:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24074; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:34:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGDd5-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Miller Subject: Can pine use POP instead of IMAP? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:16:06 GMT Status: O X-Status: My internet service provider seems reluctant to set up imap on their system. Can pine be configured to use POP? I know, I have read the imap-vs-pop document, and agree, but it is another thing to convince the service providers to use a program they have never heard of until today. -- Steve Miller stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 15:16:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16489; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:16:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:11:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27074; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:11:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGEAp-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 14:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dieter Britz Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:15:48 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 7 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > > > Comes here Mr. Dieter Britz with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:42:08 +0100: > > > > + Having subscribed to 6 groups, I now get to see only those 6. How do I > > + access the list of ALL groups, and how can I get that list into a file, > > + so I can print it and read it at home at my leisure? > > > > Goto the (L)ist screen, then choose the Newsgroups group list. Hit A to > > subscribe to groups, then hit control-t for all newsgroups. You will see the > > complete list...(S)ubscribe to the ones you want and (E)xit. Enjoy! > > > > The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. > > > > I think you misunderstood the question slightly. (Or my pine > works a bit different than yours.) I believe the original poster wanted > to see the entire list of newsgroups that were available placed in a file > so that he could read at his leisure. > > While the method you describe does *show* all the groups on the > screen....it only saves the ones you've subscribed to in the .newsrc file. > Thank you Wet-Sprocket and you're right, Ed, I wanted (and still want) to have a file of group names. So comes here Mr. Dieter Britz again with his opinion and asks once more; how? (What ^^^^^^^ is all this? Some kind of newspeak that has gone past me?? Opinion?? Comes here?). -- Dieter Britz alias britz@alpha.kemi.aau.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 15:21:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16767; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:21:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24884; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:17:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24872; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:17:11 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24718 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:14:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:10:36 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClure To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: subscribe pine-info@cac.washington.edu end ______________________________________________________________________ Scott McClure, CPIM Mail: scott@msi.masi.com MicroAccounting Systems, Inc. Voice: (503) 641-4200 Portland, Or Fax: (503) 643-1386 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 16:00:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18426; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:00:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25753; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25747; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:55:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGEth-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 15:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevem@tyrell.net (Steve Miller) Subject: Access remote inbox Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:01:26 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. Their support people don't know anything about pine or Unix for that matter. They only seem to know Dos and Windows software. When pine starts up I get the following message: [Opening "INBOX"...] then: [Can't connect to tyrell,143: Connection refused] [No folder opened] My ppp connection is fine in all other aspects (ping, telnet, mosaic, etc...). My "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to {tyrell.net}/usr/spool/mail/stevem which IS where my spooled mail is. Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something else completely? -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 16:45:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20175; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:45:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29098; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:35:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29080; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:34:58 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id ab22640; 9 Dec 94 19:34 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18469; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:34:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Steve Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Steve Miller wrote: > I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read > my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other > systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. > > Their support people don't know anything about pine or Unix for that > matter. They only seem to know Dos and Windows software. > > When pine starts up I get the following message: > [Opening "INBOX"...] > then: > [Can't connect to tyrell,143: Connection refused] > [No folder opened] > > My ppp connection is fine in all other aspects (ping, telnet, > mosaic, etc...). > > My "inbox-path" in .pinerc is set to {tyrell.net}/usr/spool/mail/stevem > which IS where my spooled mail is. > > Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that > my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the > inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something > else completely? > One way to verify if the imap server is working is to telnet to the host on that port number: telnet tyrell 143 ( or "telnet tyrel imap" is imap is in /etc/services, but yes: 143 is the default port number. ) If you get an answering banner message, you should be able to type something like: 1 login name password 2 select INBOX [ you should see some status info displayed here ] 3 logout If you don't get the answering banner from telnet - something like: * OK elvis.med.Virginia.EDU IMAP2bis Service 7.8(92) at Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:31:20 -0500 (EST) Then there's no IMAP server listening on that port. [ And if you want to know how to "speak" IMAP to the server, read the RFC's - there's an example session in there somewhere. ] ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 17:37:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22267; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:37:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00521; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:34:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00515; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:34:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGGR0-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:55:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> Status: O X-Status: Sergey A. Nikolaev (nikolaev@rec03.pnpi.spb.ru) wrote: : I have just obtained the pine binaries from the source above. : When starting and opening "INBOX", pine exits with messages: : Bug in Pine detected: "Abort signal recieved" : Exiting Pine. : My system is System V/386 Release 3.2 Never seen that one. I built it to run on SysV r3.2 v4.2. What version of the system do you have? What style mailboxes are you using? Do you have TCP/IP installed? Does this happen on both user mailboxes and on root? Did you get the package from odi.cwc.whecn.edu or ftp.celestial.com (both sources were mentioned)? If necessary, I can build it for you with debugging turned on, so you can get more information about where it's crashing. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 17:49:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22573; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:49:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28299; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:45:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28293; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:45:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGGYl-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: ipopd3, ipopd2 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:22:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: ??? I built pine according to sv4 and got pine, pico, mtest and imapd. How do I get the popd fellows? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 18:17:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23205; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:17:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01216; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:15:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01210; Fri, 9 Dec 94 18:15:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGH3C-000006C; Fri, 9 Dec 94 17:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: offsite@crl.com (Lee Bailey) Subject: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm Date: 9 Dec 1994 12:33:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I am looking for an easy way to keep an Elm alias file up to date with Pine's .addressbook. Preferabliy something that would always run at logout time (in case I added any nicknames in Pine). I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. Any other suggestions or help would be appreciated. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Lee Bailey | E-Mail: offsite@crl.com User of Geoworks Ensemble instead of MS Windoze From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:34:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24665; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29641; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:30:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29635; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:30:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGIG8-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:54:34 GMT Message-Id: <3cau8a$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Trey Harris with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 23:14:52 GMT: + >On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having + >them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes + >has been cancelled. + Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the + right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? + (Dvorakists of the world, unite!) Dvorks still around? Qwerty Rulez!! :) Both ^X and ^C need command confirmation, make sure you turn them on (if off?) in case you find yourself in a quandry. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:40:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24765; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:40:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29736; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29730; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGILU-00000FC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lef@wuacn.wustl.edu (Lori Fox) Subject: .signature files Date: 10 Dec 1994 03:12:02 GMT Message-Id: <3cb6a2$co4@newsreader.wustl.edu> Status: O X-Status: I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 19:41:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24835; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:41:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02287; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02281; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:36:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGIK4-00000IC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 19:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric.Beaudoin@dmr.ca (Eric Beaudoin) Subject: Pine of FreeBSD 2.0? Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 18:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Hi, is there anybody who compiled the pine package on a FreeBSD 2.0 system? I tried "BUILD bsd" but that doesn't work on my system. I'm not very mush of a unix programmer so looking trough the .c and .h will take me a lot of time. I'd appriciate any kind of help I can get. In particular, someboddy sending me files that would make pine compile on FreeBSD 2.0 would make me very very happy :-). Thanks P.S. Once I have the solution, I will post it here for other souls in need of help (is-there a pine FAQ?). ---------------------------------------- |Eric Beaudoin Eric.Beaudoin@DMR.CA| Artiste demande : |DMR Quebec Inc. 877-3301 | ---------------------------------------- J'aurais besoin d'un petit dessin | Mes opignions sont miennes et | ASCII d'un informaticien avec les | peuvent devenir les votres. | yeux poches... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 20:25:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25747; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:25:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02942; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:21:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02936; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:21:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGJ0e-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How to UNsubscribe from all newsgroups Date: 10 Dec 1994 01:03:16 GMT Message-Id: <3cauok$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr/Mz. Danni with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 22:52:23 GMT: + Hi - I'm new to Pine, so forgive me if this is a FAQ or a + dumb question. Right now I am subscribed to all the newsgroups + by default. Is there an easy why to UNsubscribe from all of + them and then subscribe to the 20 or so I want? With 5500+ + groups, doing it one at a time is not something I want to try. Pine looks up a file called ".newsrc" in your home dir. for newsgroups subscription info. Just rename that file, and start Pine to read news again. This time it will create a fresh ".newsrc", subscribe then to those groups of your choice. % mv .newsrc .oldnewsrc On the other hand, you can by using your favourite editor manually edit this file to include only those groups that you want to be subscribed to which probably is a better solution as it reduces the effort in re-subscrption. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 21:08:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26506; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:08:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01035; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:05:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01029; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:05:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGJgW-00000DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How to Shell Date: 10 Dec 1994 01:14:35 GMT Message-Id: <3cavdr$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Ira Frankel with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 9 Dec 1994 10:17:39 -0800: + Is it possible to shell from Pine (as one might in nn with "!")? Thanx + for your response in advance. You can use the ^Z(suspend) or |(pipe) feature instead of !(shell out) to get back into shell or execute a shell command within Pine (for ex: finger) as it really depends on what you want to do when you shell out. You can always get back into Pine by typing 'fg' at the prompt. In order to use the ^Z feature you will have to enable suspend feature in the feature list or invoke pine with the -z flag. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 22:09:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27742; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:09:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04359; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:05:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04353; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:05:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGKdl-00000FC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lm#drg1@mvs.medctr.ucla.edu (Danni) Subject: How to UNsubscribe from all newsgroups Date: 9 Dec 1994 22:52:23 GMT Message-Id: <3can37$3hn@news.mic.ucla.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi - I'm new to Pine, so forgive me if this is a FAQ or a dumb question. Right now I am subscribed to all the newsgroups by default. Is there an easy why to UNsubscribe from all of them and then subscribe to the 20 or so I want? With 5500+ groups, doing it one at a time is not something I want to try. Thanks! Danni From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 9 23:06:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28926; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:06:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02575; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:00:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02569; Fri, 9 Dec 94 23:00:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGLUo-00000LC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:14:52 GMT Message-Id: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , SBPM Tech Mgt wrote: >On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command. Having >them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes >has been cancelled. Sure the prompt provides a check, but it would be more >efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? (Dvorakists of the world, unite!) -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 02:33:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02866; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:33:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05030; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:30:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05014; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:30:23 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:26:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:26:42 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lori Fox Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature files In-Reply-To: <3cb6a2$co4@newsreader.wustl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: > I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use > pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. > When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) Well most programs rely on a parameter or setting to define the file to be used as the "signature" source. What you can do is define it as .pinesig within pine and .elmsig within elm and .whateversig in whatever. Yes, I'm very familiar with punch cards. 50% isn't bad. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 02:33:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02893; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:33:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07604; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:31:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07598; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:31:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGOqF-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevem@tyrell.net (Steve Miller) Subject: Re: Access remote inbox Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:33:12 GMT Status: O X-Status: Steve Miller (stevem@tyrell.net) wrote: :>I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read :>my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other :>systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. SNIP! :>Any ideas? I think it is a problem at Tyrell. Is it possible that :>my pine software is trying to open the wrong port to access the :>inbox on tyrell (143?). Or is 143 an error code meaning something :>else completely? Update: I have found out that my internet service provider, Tyrell, is not running the inetd daemon. They should have noticed this right away when I first reported the problem. Lesson learned: only deal with service providers that know what they are doing! I had no other choice until this month, a new service provider! They HAVE to know more than the support staff at Tyrell. Hell, I know more than the support staff at Tyrell, and thats not saying much. Its pretty bad when an end user/subscriber has to tell them how to fix their system! -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 03:26:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04105; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:26:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05681; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:23:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05675; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:23:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGPb4-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 03:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdupree@tequesta.gate.net (Michelle Dupree) Subject: Pico annoyance when composing in newsreader Date: 9 Dec 1994 21:15:27 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: ... namely that it spellchecks the entire header and any lead-ins (e.g., "in wrote:"). Is there any way to keep it from doing this? Naturally, it's forever flagging email addresses (worse, every single little part of an email address), references, every damn detail. Usually I end up wasting more time rubber-stamping the header than I spend checking the message itself. Thanks for any help, and sorry if this has been covered before. -Micky From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 04:30:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05779; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:30:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06585; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:27:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06579; Sat, 10 Dec 94 04:27:49 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:24:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 20:24:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lori Fox , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature files In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: > > > I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use > > pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for > > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who > > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. > > > > When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to > have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) OH....you said "for someone...." I knew that since I've been living outside of the US for so long my grammer was starting to suffer.....but I didn't know it was having an effect on my ability to read!! Oh, well maybe the fact that I'm familiar with punch cards is also a good excuse.... No? Fine...I'm going back to watch tapes of David Letterman....hummmm...I wonder....... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 05:59:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07405; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:59:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10176; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:56:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10170; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:56:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGS0d-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: garbled printing Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:53:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Dec8.073537.9947@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Alexander E. Christensen (aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote: : My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, : but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems : to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. : Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. Could be your terminal program. Using QuickLink II for DOS from home, Pine succeeds in printing the first and last 20 lines of any given message (more or less). Using Procomm (any of several versions for DOS and Windows), printing works perfectly. You might also, if you are dialed in instead of telnetting, check your flow control. Printing causes a seriously dense stream of data to come over the line. If your machine overflows its buffers and can't stop the data flow, you'll get garbage too. But I doubt it's Pine's fault. gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 06:14:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07700; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:14:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07739; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:11:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07733; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:11:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGSFz-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 05:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ormbt@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Monthian Buntan - OR99) Subject: Unreadable binary file help needed Date: 8 Dec 1994 11:35:20 GMT Message-Id: <3c6r1o$e6v@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Recently, I downloaded a big file from a server somewhere and found that it was transfered in the binary mode automatically without me telling it to do. When I come back to my computer, I can't read such a file via any word processor application. On the other hand, ten minutes ago, I donwloaded a file which was supposed to be a binary file, but my computer set itself to a text mode. I understand that it was because there was some text message before and after : which my communication software interpretted that it should then be a text file. How could I solve all of these problem? One more questions. Could I view the first page of a long message and then jump accross hundreds of pages to the last page of such a long file while in the pine mode? There isn't any keyboard command for that function that I know of. Any help on this matter will be greatly appreciated. Please direct your answer to my e-mail in addition to this news group as I rrarely come into this group. Best regards, Thian. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 06:53:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08309; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:53:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08156; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:50:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08150; Sat, 10 Dec 94 06:50:05 -0800 Received: from orca.fhcrc.org by ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 10 Dec 94 07:43:35 MST Received: by orca.fhcrc.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA90595; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:51:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brent Blumenstein To: Lee Bailey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm In-Reply-To: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a script that goes both ways. Two potential problems for you: (1) It was written some time ago, when I was using pine 3.87 and an earlier version of elm - sorry I don't remember the elm version. Therefore, if the formats have changed then the script may be obsolete. I have not used this script recently. (2) It is written in uniRexx, which is a wonderful language, but unfortuantely not commonly available in the Unix world because it costs extra $ and duplicates functionality of Unix shell languages, though in my opinion Rexx is more elegant; Rexx is a scripting language. But the real advantage of Res is that works on many platforms, including IBM mainframes of several types, DOS, OS/2 (it is part of OS/2), Amiga, numerous Unix versions, and I now hear there will be an NT version. I think IBM now sells a version of Rexx specific to AIX (in addition to the multi-platform Unix commercial product). -- Brent A. Blumenstein | tel.: 206 667 4623 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center | fax: 206 667 4408 1124 Columbia Street MP-557 | e-mail: brentb@orca.fhcrc.org Seattle, WA 98104 USA | On 9 Dec 1994, Lee Bailey wrote: > I am looking for an easy way to keep an Elm alias file up to date with > Pine's .addressbook. Preferabliy something that would always run at > logout time (in case I added any nicknames in Pine). > > I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> > .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to > go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to > convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program > 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. > > Any other suggestions or help would be appreciated. > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Lee Bailey | E-Mail: offsite@crl.com > User of Geoworks Ensemble instead of MS Windoze > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 09:09:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10795; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:09:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12529; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:07:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12523; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:07:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGUyW-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 08:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tbm@witbm.mv.att.com (Tom Merrick ) Subject: Re: FAQs ? Message-Id: References: <3bde00$gjn@charles.cdec.polymtl.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:41:01 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have read the FAQ and failed to find a feature I can't do without. Anyone know how to edit an IN-coming message and put it back into the inbox SIMPLY? Mail does this on a SUN. TIA, Tom Merrick AT&T Bell Laboratories From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:04:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11622; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:04:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13098; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13092; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:53 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22141; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:00:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 10:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Gunther Anderson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: garbled printing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Alexander et al: Let me reinforce what Gunther said: I think 99% of "pine printing problems" are either due to communications software that doesn't understand ANSI escape sequences for printing, *or* (in the dialin case) flow control problems. We didn't understand how big a problem software flow control was until 3.90 came out... we changed pine to intercept flow control characters so that users would not see Pine "wedge" mysteriously if a mis-type or noise generated a control-S, but that did bad things when printers, modems, or comm software was depending on s/w flow control. So in 3.91 we added the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature, so that Pine could be configured to respect s/w flow control characters (if the operating system did) for those folks who needed them. Enabling this feature should make Pine 3.91 behave the same way as earlier versions. Then we discovered that some operating systems don't enable software flow control by default. So in 3.92, the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature will do more than simply "not ignoring" them, it will try to force the OS to pay attention to them. So here's the sequence of things to try if you have pine printing problems: 1. CHECK FOR SOFTWARE FLOW-CONTROL PROBLEMS: A. Try enabling "preserve-start-stop-characters" <- requires 3.91 B. If that doesn't help, verify that the OS is enabling s/w flow control; if it isn't, you can either change that in a global .login script, or as a worst case, wrap pine in a script that does it. By the way, on our AIX systems, we had to execute "stty -ixon" followed by "stty ixon" --no one here knows why the first stty is needed. (Note that explicitly enabling s/w flow control in the OS will not be needed in 3.92). 2. CHECK YOUR COMM SOFTWARE FOR ANSI PRINTING CAPABILITY A. After ruling out s/w flow control problems, if printing still doesn't work, the odds are that the PC or Mac comm s/w is at fault. I don't know how to determine this other than via trial-and-error and word-of-mouth. B. The "ansiprt" utility included in the pine distribution can also be used for testing. It simply sends the specified text file to user's terminal device, bracketed with the ANSI escape sequences for print diversion. This is just what Pine does as well (although some versions of ansiprt offer a few options not available via Pine.) 3. POSSIBLE OTHER PRINTING PROBLEMS A. Printing via Pine's "attached-to-ansi" facility to a postscript-only printer. Pine does not yet have the ability to encapsulate text into postscript, ala "enscript", so the custom print option using enscript and ansiprt will be needed in that case. B. Other printer-specific configuration problems. For example, whether or not the printer needs a trailing formfeed to eject the last page, or a control-D, or non-Unix newline conventions, etc. Many of these problem will also require using the custom print command option and "ansiprt". If others have additional specific printing problems and solutions, it would be good to contribute them for incorporation into a "pine printing faq"... (Nancy, what d'ya think?) -teg On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > Alexander E. Christensen (aechrist@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote: > : My pine system captures the text, and then I print to the local printer, > : but the messages are all garbled and don't make sense anymore. It seems > : to read different characters each time, but never the whole message. > : Any suggestions? Please mail me or post here. Thanx. > > Could be your terminal program. Using QuickLink II for DOS from home, > Pine succeeds in printing the first and last 20 lines of any given > message (more or less). Using Procomm (any of several versions for DOS > and Windows), printing works perfectly. You might also, if you are > dialed in instead of telnetting, check your flow control. Printing > causes a seriously dense stream of data to come over the line. If your > machine overflows its buffers and can't stop the data flow, you'll get > garbage too. > > But I doubt it's Pine's fault. > > gunther Anderson > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:04:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11688; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:04:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10465; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:02:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10459; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:02:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGVq6-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 09:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 10 Dec 1994 16:47:10 GMT Message-Id: <3ccm2e$bic@news.halcyon.com> References: <3c53rn$el8@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Dieter Britz writes: >So comes here Mr. Dieter Britz again with his opinion and asks once more; >how? If nn is on your system you can use the following: Type... In order to... ======= ============== nngrep -a |less Use less to view list of all newsgroups at your site nngrep -a > print.me Put the list of all newsgroups in file named print.me There should be a file on your system that contains a list of all newsgroups that your site receives, with a short description for many of the newsgroups. This file is in different places on different machines so you should ask your system administrator where it is on your machine (make sure you mention the descriptions otherwise s/he might point you to a file named active which is not nearly as useful as the file with descriptions). I have the master list accessible from my Internet Web page - it has around 9900 newsgroups in it! Good luck, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 10:38:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12322; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:38:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13494; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:34:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13488; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:34:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGWKN-00000wC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: ipopd3, ipopd2 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:35:19 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: In pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >??? I built pine according to sv4 and got pine, pico, mtest and imapd. >How do I get the popd fellows? Never mind. I found them. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 11:06:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12893; Sat, 10 Dec 94 11:06:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11199; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:59:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11193; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:59:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGWjP-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 10:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: MARK A JANKOVITS Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 9 Dec 1994, Trey Harris wrote: > > Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the > right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? > What kind of keyboard are you using? In all the keyboards I've ever seen/used the bottom row goes like this: zxcvbnm ^^ X and C look mighty close there. > -- > Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris > --Stranger in a Strange Thread! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jankovits "Once we get out of the eighties, the maj@cs.odu.edu ninties are gonna make the sixties Old Dominion University look like the fifties." Flashback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:08:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20660; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:08:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18217; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:03:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18211; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:03:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbRU-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 15:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: blast@crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: 3.91 hangs when trying nntp over cslip Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:01:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3cbn89$j49@crl6.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: I am using pine 3.91 on a A/UX system. The mail end of it work just fine. When I point pine at a nntp server over at my Inet provider it show me the item in teh .newsrc order but when i select one, it just hangs. I am C/SLIPed at 14.4 I will use tin and nn till I work out this problem. --blast %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \ Tim Keanini | "The limits of my language, / / aka blast | are the limits of my world." \ \ | --Ludwig Wittgenstein / / | \ \ +================================================/ / for more info on BayMOO... \ \ email baymoo@worldbit.com / %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:13:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20859; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:13:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15389; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:09:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15383; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:09:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbXs-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 15:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: General setting of printer Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:55:14 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1137753966-786995714=:23858" In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Rufus D. Short wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 DEC 1994 09:48:22 +0000 (GMT) > From: Rufus D. Short > To: Gildas PERROT > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: General setting of printer > > On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Gildas PERROT wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > As root, I would like to set the printer variable in the general > > configuration file (which is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf for me) to be > > 'lp' instead of 'lpr' (I am on SGI, System V). If I modify a variable > > in the pine.conf, the users see the changes if they haven't change > > themselves this variable in their .pinerc. However, the change of > > 'printer' in pine.conf is not seen by users. Any idea about this > > problem ? > > There is a bug in Pine 3.91 that causes certain variables in pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed to be ignored. A diff to correct this in pine.init.c is attached. > > The file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is only used as a template for new > users to pine. The /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixeds provides a way > for sys-admin to set variables for all users. Be aware though that any > variables set in the 'fixed' file cannot be changed by users. > Not quite correct. The pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed files both set variables for all users in each session. The difference is that pine.conf can be overridden by each user, but pine.conf.fixed cannot. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="init.c.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-1137753966-786995714=:23858-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:32:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21273; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:32:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18583; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:28:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18577; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:28:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbtR-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ngenge@random.ucs.mun.ca (Ngaire Genge) Subject: Upgrade Possible? Date: 10 Dec 1994 14:00:34 GMT Message-Id: <3ccca2$qna@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I have a UNIX shell account which I dial up from a '386 running DOS (no Windows :)). Our privider has Pine 3.87 installed. Is there anyway to have Pine 3.91 reside in a shell account? Or will this cause conflicts on the UNIX host? Cheers, Ngaire From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:37:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21401; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:37:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15711; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:33:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15705; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:33:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGbyV-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:03:34 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 DEC 1994 13:02:23 +0100 > From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc > > Hi Pine-people > > Can pine search for new newsgroups not currently listed ind the .newsrc > file ? > Not at this time. > When using OTHER newstools than pine, I'm asked to subscribe to new > newsgroups (if any) that currently was not listed in the .newsrc-file. > If I don't subscribe, the new newsgroup is just added to my .newsrc as > unsubscribed, but it is added. > Pine currently only adds a newsgroup when it needs to save some information about it, i.e. subscribed, messages read. > When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a > possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup not listed in the > .newsrc-file, and in time, my .newsrc will therefore not be updated if I > don't use other newstools. > > If I have missed somthing, and it IS possible please tell me how. If not > I would like it implemented in next version. > It is on the list, but I don't have any guess as to what version it will make it into.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 16:59:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21730; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:59:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18927; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:54:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18921; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:54:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGcIU-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 16:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vbhalla@mtu.edu (Vbhalla) Subject: Re: [Q] Using Pine's .addressbook in Elm Date: 10 Dec 1994 17:17:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3cd9d2$k4u@pacemaker.cts> References: <3caevi$7lo@crl5.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: Lee Bailey (offsite@crl.com) wrote: : I have seen a script that will do the reverse (alias.text >> : .addressbook) but not what I'm looking for. I could prbably rewrite it to : go the other way, but then I only have the alias.text, I still need to : convert it to the native format for Elm to use. Will the program : 'newaliases' do this? I could call the program at the end of the script. The whole purpose of the newalais command is to update Elm native formats by reading the aliases.text file and updating them. So sure go ahead and run th newalias command at the end of the script. vbhalla@mtu.edu /***********************************************************************/ Just Call me Swifty Yar!!! http://pace1.cts:8080/MyHome.html C.T.S Consultant. http://pace1.cts:8080/Consul.html Intl. Students Association. http://pace1.cts:8080/Intl.html President. /***********************************************************************/ : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 18:22:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23255; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:22:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16929; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16923; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:18:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGdYn-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 17:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: how to set charset parameter? Date: 10 Dec 1994 23:46:52 GMT Message-Id: <3cdelc$n67@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: how do you suppose to set the charset parameter in pine? for both posting and mailing,.. i wish the header section can be as modifable as the body text, just like in tin. Nelson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 18:32:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23446; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:32:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19997; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:28:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19991; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:28:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGdij-00000JC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: how to set charset parameter? Date: 10 Dec 1994 23:54:37 GMT Message-Id: <3cdf3t$ng9@news.bu.edu> References: <3cdelc$n67@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Nelson Chin (butta1@bu.edu) wrote: : how do you suppose to set the charset parameter in pine? for both : posting and mailing,.. i wish the header section can be as modifable : as the body text, just like in tin. : Nelson i forgot to mention that i am interseted in setting to another 7-bit charset, since i believe the default character setting in pine's setup is only invoked when the text is 8-bit. nelson -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org GEF: rblac.gefnet@undp.org NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 19:04:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23959; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:04:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17358; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:58:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17352; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:58:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGeDA-00000OC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 18:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Thomas Ranks Subject: signatures Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I just started using pine today and I have been wondering how to create a signature. I know this is a pretty amateur question but I am pretty amateur. thanks pranks@hubcap.clemson.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 19:54:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24717; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:54:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20989; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:50:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20983; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:50:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGexp-00000FC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 11 Dec 1994 01:25:28 GMT Message-Id: <3cdke8$7e3@news.ysu.edu> References: On 9 Dec 1994, Trey Harris wrote: > >> Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the >> right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? >> >What kind of keyboard are you using? In all the keyboards I've ever >seen/used the bottom row goes like this: > > zxcvbnm > ^^ That's funny, the kezboards, oops, keyboards I'll be pounding on in a week have a bottom row that goes like this: YXCVBNM,.- ^ ^ The moral being not to make default assumptions about what other users will have. Oh yes, and I was bitten by accidentally hitting ^C once or twice. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 20:18:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25241; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:18:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18200; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:13:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18194; Sat, 10 Dec 94 20:13:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGfLy-00000OC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 19:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: how to set charset parameter? Date: 11 Dec 1994 01:52:39 GMT Message-Id: <3cdm17$82c@news.ysu.edu> References: <3cdf3t$ng9@news.bu.edu> <3cdelc$n67@news.bu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) says: >: how do you suppose to set the charset parameter in pine? for both >: posting and mailing,.. i wish the header section can be as modifable >: as the body text, just like in tin. >i forgot to mention that i am interseted in setting to another 7-bit >charset, since i believe the default character setting in pine's setup >is only invoked when the text is 8-bit. This is a problem; whereas old Pines (like 3.07) would tag all text with the selected charset whether 7 or 8-bit, if it were not one of a limited set (ISO-8859-* and such), permitting one to use charset=EBCDIC-US with 7-bit mail, the more recent Pines will assume you are using a MIME charset which is a superset of US-ASCII, and label the text with the lowest possible charset, meaning ASCII if only 7-bit text is included. Note that the permitted MIME charsets are listed in the latest Assigned Numbers RFC, which I believe is RFC 1700 (even I haven't browsed this yet), but to my knowledge, all the charsets listed in RFC 1345 are allowed, while perhaps not recommended. This does include a number of charsets which are decidedly not supersets of US-ASCII. If your desired character set is not listed, you should use a non- standard character set with a prefix of ``X-'' as in charset=X-I-HAVE-NO-IDEA or else work to getting your charset registered if you feel a need. But the problem is that Pine assumes that if you have no characters outside the range of ASCII (>127 decimal), that your message is equivalent to US-ASCII, to permit use of charsets Pine doesn't know of, without unnecessarily tagging ASCII as something else (read the MIME RFC). Perhaps the option could be provided for expert users that the given charset value is not a superset of US-ASCII, which then tags all messages with the value provided, which would then correctly tag messages you would be sending, as well as permit proper tagging of West European variants of ASCII, which assign other characters to the positions occupied by { and \ and } and the like in US-ASCII (yeah, that's a poor example, since all the characters would be included in ISO-8859-1, but I'm sure there will still be those who can't quite upgrade their terminals immediately, and for whom such tagging would be useful, if the recipient has a MIME reader capable of doing translation from the charset in transport to the display charset). The short answer is, as far as I can tell, Pine will always give a message consisting of only 7-bit data the charset tagging of US-ASCII in the recent releases, but I can see it being useful to allow the user to choose to apply a different tagging to 7-bit data. -- Barry Bouwsma, back from Euro-bike-tour in Ann Arbor, Michigan Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, seeking work with the Internet that will put me somewhere near the Appenzell, Switzerland; have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 10 22:29:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27819; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:29:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22888; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:25:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22882; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:25:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGhP3-00000rC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 22:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Is PINE Secure??? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 22:57:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8iubX0S00WBwE7vY9=@andrew.cmu.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Patches to add Kerberos V4 security to an older distribution of Pine are available via anonymous FTP in ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/cyrus-mail/ Some assembly may be required to fit this into 3.91, I haven't tried it with that version yet. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 00:02:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29143; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:02:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20682; Sat, 10 Dec 94 23:59:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20676; Sat, 10 Dec 94 23:58:56 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 11 Dec 94 15:55:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:55:18 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Peter Thomas Ranks Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: signatures In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Peter Thomas Ranks wrote: > I just started using pine today and I have been wondering how to create a > signature. I know this is a pretty amateur question but I am pretty amateur. OK.... Well, as an amateur the first question you should ask is....."Where is the FAQ?". It can be found at ftp.cac.washington.edu in /pine/docs. As for a signature. Couple of simple steps for a simple signature. 1. Create a file in your home directory with any name you choose. (Many people like .sig as the file name.) 2. Edit that to be the signature that you wish. Remember the old saying...."Short is best." 3. Go to the pine configuration screens and edit the line: signature-file=~/.signature You're done... Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 00:23:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29484; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:23:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24160; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24154; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGjD9-00000EC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 10 Dec 1994 02:07:39 GMT Message-Id: <3cb2hb$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Ed Greshko with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:38:20 GMT: + > The group list is/will be stored in a file called ".newsrc" + While the method you describe does *show* all the groups on the + screen....it only saves the ones you've subscribed to in the .newsrc file. Ask the local News Admin. to keep a "full blown" sample newsrc file in /usr/local/sample. Users can copy that file to a local .newsrc file which can be edited/viewed/printed/taken home... -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 00:23:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29505; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:23:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20918; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20912; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGjCt-000008C; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: help me: basic questions Date: 10 Dec 1994 01:32:39 GMT Message-Id: <3cb0fn$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr/Mz. nefarious hoyden with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Fri, 09 Dec 1994 11:44:51 -0600: + is there an easy way to transfer an entire mail folder onto a disk or hard + drive? Pine saves mail in a mail folder which is nothing but a regular text file. You can cd into the mail dir. and then can download these files themselves and can be viewed by any PC/Mac text editor. + how do i access the newsgroups through pine? do you prefer it to nn? In the (M)ain/(S)etup/(C)onfig screen set the nntp-server option to the newsserver's address at your site. Try reading the Release Notes which gives you an in-depth info on this. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 00:23:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29507; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:23:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20932; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20926; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:19:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGjDG-00000FC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 00:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Unreadable binary file help needed Date: 10 Dec 1994 02:31:43 GMT Message-Id: <3cb3uf$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Monthian Buntan - OR99 with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 8 Dec 1994 11:35:20 GMT: + One more questions. Could I view the first page of a long message and + then jump accross hundreds of pages to the last page of such a long file + while in the pine mode? There isn't any keyboard command for that + function that I know of. If your system has newer version of Pine(3.9*), you can first use the W key then ^V for the last line. Regarding other (Pine unrelated) questions please forward to appropriate newsgroups. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 04:10:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04845; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:10:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27119; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:05:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27113; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:05:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGmly-00000DC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 03:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: signatures Date: 11 Dec 1994 11:38:12 GMT Message-Id: <3ceob4$rua@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Peter Thomas Ranks with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Sat, 10 Dec 1994 19:05:20 -0500: + I just started using pine today and I have been wondering how to create a + signature. I know this is a pretty amateur question but Iam pretty amateur. Please read the well written Signature FAQ posted on Dec 8th by Nancy in this newsgroup. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 04:36:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05344; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:36:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24264; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:31:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24258; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:31:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGn0K-000010C; Sun, 11 Dec 94 04:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: .signature files Date: 11 Dec 1994 11:40:09 GMT Message-Id: <3ceoep$rua@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Lori Fox with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 10 Dec 1994 03:12:02 GMT: + I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use + pine. Is there a way to do this ? If so, I would be grateful for + instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who + punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. Please read the well written Signature FAQ posted on Dec 8th by Nancy in this newsgroup. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 05:30:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06417; Sun, 11 Dec 94 05:30:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24861; Sun, 11 Dec 94 05:26:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24855; Sun, 11 Dec 94 05:26:14 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 11 Dec 94 21:22:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:22:35 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Wet-Sprocket Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? In-Reply-To: <3cb2hb$5iv@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 10 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > Ask the local News Admin. to keep a "full blown" sample newsrc file in > /usr/local/sample. Users can copy that file to a local .newsrc file which > can be edited/viewed/printed/taken home... That will work, except in the case where the person asking *is* the administrator of their own system. I suppose the real point is...you can't do with pine what the original poster was asking. At least not yet, my understanding is that it is on the list of things to do. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 17:01:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17549; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:01:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06297; Sun, 11 Dec 94 16:57:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06291; Sun, 11 Dec 94 16:57:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGynT-00000DC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 16:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: glenn@creator.ucns.uga.edu (Glenn Leavell) Subject: alternate editor and speller w/ pine Date: 12 Dec 1994 00:33:41 GMT Message-Id: <3cg5p5$902@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'm using Pine 3.91, and I've chosen to use an alternate editor (vi) instead of Pico. This works well. But, because Pine's spell check feature is built into the Pico editor, I can't easily spell check my messages from within Pine. I do have access to the ispell program, which will allow me to spell check a specified file. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can integrate ispell into Pine or vi so that I can easily spell check my messages without having to leave Pine? Thanks for any info. -- Glenn Leavell University of Georgia glenn@creator.ucns.uga.edu 706-542-3135 University Computing and Networking Services, Athens, GA USA 30602-1911 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 17:54:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18678; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:54:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03916; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:52:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03910; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:52:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGzes-00000FC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Date: 5 Dec 1994 10:45:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3bvjkd$972@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <9412051428.AA03657@thot.finland.sun.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <9412051428.AA03657@thot.finland.sun.com>, Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: :I'll put E in the mailer flags in sendmail.cf, it should do the trick. Yup. Here's how the 'E' flag works with the Solaris /bin/mail program. It's the default local delivery agent, and when the 'E' flag is not used... flyer; egrep '^Mlocal' /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Mlocal, P=/bin/mail, F=lsDFMfSn, S=10, R=20/40, flyer; echo 'From me to you' | mailx -s test1 jdavis flyer; cat /var/mail/jdavis [...] Content-Length:15 From me to you ...the 'From' is not escaped. Now if I add the 'E' flag, flyer; egrep '^Mlocal' /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Mlocal, P=/bin/mail, F=lsDFMfSnE, S=10, R=20/40, ^ flyer; echo 'From me to you' | mailx -s test2 jdavis flyer; cat /var/mail/jdavis [...] Content-Length: 16 >From me to you then /bin/mail escapes the 'From' _and_ recalculates the 'Content-Length' header. So programs that look for 'From' should work as well as programs that look for the Content-Length header. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 18:05:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18892; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:05:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07251; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:02:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07245; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:02:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGzkC-00000LC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine for X-window_ Date: 12 Dec 94 01:42:00 GMT Message-Id: References: <3c9c87$s1g@idefix.eunet.fi> Status: O X-Status: vsk@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Ville S.Kemppinen) writes: > Is there any version of Pine available for X-window? If there >is, where to get it. Email is best: vsk@teleste.fi. I am partial to 'xterm -e pine'. :) >-- > /// vsk@teleste.fi > /// Ville.S.Kemppinen@f130.n222.z2.fidonet.org > /// Radio Ambola +358-(9)21-2484540 V.FC / 24H > -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 18:05:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18913; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:05:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04067; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:02:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04061; Sun, 11 Dec 94 18:02:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rGzlg-00000MC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 17:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: 12 Dec 94 01:43:25 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: David L Miller writes: >On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: >> Date: Mon, 5 DEC 1994 13:02:23 +0100 >> From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen >> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine >> Subject: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc >> >> Hi Pine-people >> >> Can pine search for new newsgroups not currently listed ind the .newsrc >> file ? >> >Not at this time. [...] >It is on the list, but I don't have any guess as to what version it will make >it into.... People might want to look at choosenews, a shell script by Scott Yanoff, published from time to time on alt.sources. >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 19:35:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20324; Sun, 11 Dec 94 19:35:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08370; Sun, 11 Dec 94 19:32:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08364; Sun, 11 Dec 94 19:32:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rH1CY-00000EC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 19:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: PC Pine for Multiple Users? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:58:11 GMT Status: O X-Status: I'd like to run PCPine on a computer used by several people, but geive them individual mailboxes, news reading, etc. Is there a way of doing this? Thanks, Pete From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 21:06:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21765; Sun, 11 Dec 94 21:06:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06338; Sun, 11 Dec 94 21:02:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06332; Sun, 11 Dec 94 21:02:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rH2dz-00000FC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 20:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: .signature files Date: 12 Dec 1994 04:03:39 GMT Message-Id: <3cgi2r$lq8@news.halcyon.com> References: <3cb6a2$co4@newsreader.wustl.edu> Status: O X-Status: lef@wuacn.wustl.edu (Lori Fox) writes: > I would like to create a signature file and use it *only* when I use >pine. Here's an excerpt of my Signature and Finger FAQ which I'll be posting real soon now. To have a signature that's used only by Pine name it something like .sig.pine and then specify that in the signature-file variable. Let me know if you have suggestions for improving these instructions, Nancy ------------------------------ Date: 09 Dec 1994 23:01:11 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... ... 1.1.1 Pine 3.90 and Later Followup-To: comp.mail.pine Pine automatically appends ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Spacebar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ can be used for your $HOME directory. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Dec 1994 23:01:12 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... ... 1.1.2 Pine 3.89 and Earlier Followup-To: comp.mail.pine Pine automatically appends ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. To change Pine's signature features in Pine 3.89 (and earlier versions) you need to edit your ~/.pinerc file directly. Type... In order to... ======= ============== cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .pinerc Use the pico editor to edit your .pinerc file. ^w Search for . . . feature-list . . . ``feature-list'' Edit your .pinerc so that it contains this line: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom If you want to use a file other than ~/.signature for your signature edit the following line: signature-file= ------------------------------ -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 11 23:00:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23879; Sun, 11 Dec 94 23:00:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10797; Sun, 11 Dec 94 22:57:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10791; Sun, 11 Dec 94 22:57:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rH4PC-00000LC; Sun, 11 Dec 94 22:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: ?: Pine + Sun Mailtool + Content-Length Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:24:39 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3bvjkd$972@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> Status: O X-Status: Our sendit tool is smart enough not to escape ``From me to you'' lines; it does a syntax check and only escapes those lines that Pine would consider to be mail delimiter lines. Best of both worlds! -- Mark -- On 5 Dec 1994, Jim Davis wrote: > > In article <9412051428.AA03657@thot.finland.sun.com>, > Jaakko Salminen - Sun Finland wrote: > > :I'll put E in the mailer flags in sendmail.cf, it should do the trick. > > Yup. Here's how the 'E' flag works with the Solaris /bin/mail > program. It's the default local delivery agent, and when the 'E' flag > is not used... > > flyer; egrep '^Mlocal' /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > Mlocal, P=/bin/mail, F=lsDFMfSn, S=10, R=20/40, > flyer; echo 'From me to you' | mailx -s test1 jdavis > flyer; cat /var/mail/jdavis > [...] > Content-Length:15 > > From me to you > > ...the 'From' is not escaped. Now if I add the 'E' flag, > > flyer; egrep '^Mlocal' /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > Mlocal, P=/bin/mail, F=lsDFMfSnE, S=10, R=20/40, > ^ > > flyer; echo 'From me to you' | mailx -s test2 jdavis > flyer; cat /var/mail/jdavis > [...] > Content-Length: 16 > > >From me to you > > then /bin/mail escapes the 'From' _and_ recalculates the > 'Content-Length' header. So programs that look for 'From' should work > as well as programs that look for the Content-Length header. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 01:07:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26276; Mon, 12 Dec 94 01:07:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09288; Mon, 12 Dec 94 00:57:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09282; Mon, 12 Dec 94 00:57:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rH6Jl-00000FC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 00:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bconn@crl.com (Beverly Conn) Subject: Supporting MX/DNS Date: 12 Dec 1994 00:24:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3ch1bj$kbk@crl3.crl.com> Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 04:20:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01133; Mon, 12 Dec 94 04:20:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14926; Mon, 12 Dec 94 04:11:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ibridge.iohk.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14914; Mon, 12 Dec 94 04:11:01 -0800 Received: from igate.iohk.com (igate.iohk.com [202.21.128.81]) by ibridge.iohk.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA27561 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:12:54 +0800 Received: (from arguzman@localhost) by igate.iohk.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA07594; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:09:36 +0800 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:09:35 +0800 (HKT) From: Angelito de Guzman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 06:33:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03910; Mon, 12 Dec 94 06:33:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16611; Mon, 12 Dec 94 06:29:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tyrell.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16605; Mon, 12 Dec 94 06:29:00 -0800 Received: by tyrell.net id AA16940 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:26:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:26:46 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Miller To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Thanks for your assistance with the imap problem. I have found out that my service provider is not running imapd at all. In fact the person I talked to had not even heard of it! Can pine be made to use POP instead of IMAP? (I know, IMAP is WAY better, but I don't think I can get them to run it). -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 07:43:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05395; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:43:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17933; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:39:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17927; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:38:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHCaE-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: D.Buitenhek@wbmt.tudelft.nl (D.Buitenhek) Subject: Problems installing Imap Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:32:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have tried to install Imap but i have following problems The file /etc/services has th following line: imap From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 07:46:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05479; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:46:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14913; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:38:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14907; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:38:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHCa6-000006C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: D.Buitenhek@wbmt.tudelft.nl (D.Buitenhek) Subject: Problems installing Pine Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:30:40 GMT Status: O X-Status: I tried to install the imapd but it do's not work on my Sun with SunOs 3.1.3. The file /etc/services has the following line: imap From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 08:56:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08083; Mon, 12 Dec 94 08:56:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16437; Mon, 12 Dec 94 08:52:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16431; Mon, 12 Dec 94 08:52:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHDff-00000FC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 08:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ho@aoml.erl.gov (David Ho) Subject: Question about header Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:13:29 -0500 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Could I configure Pine so that when I am reading my mail and have the full header mode off, I could display more than the four default headers (Date, From, To, and Subject)? Thanks for any help. -Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 09:06:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08942; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:06:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19528; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:00:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19522; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:00:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHDob-00000EC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 08:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: D.Buitenhek@wbmt.tudelft.nl (D.Buitenhek) Subject: imapd Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:41:09 GMT Status: O X-Status: I have tried to install imapd on a Sun with SunOs 4.1.3 There is a line in the /etc/services like: imap 143/tcp In the file /etc/inetd.conf : imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/etc/imapd imapd. After the command kill -HUP i tried to connect with 'telnet 143 gives "connection refused" Changing the port number to 109 gives the same result. Chamgeing the port number to 109 and imap to pop-2 as well in /etc/services as in /etc/inetd.conf gives the normal result as when I start the deamon by hand. How can I resolve the problem? D.Buitenhek@wbmt.tudelft.nl From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 09:10:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09167; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:10:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19631; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:03:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tucana.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19619; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:03:32 -0800 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by tucana with SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:02:37 +0000 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:02:03 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:01:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius To: David Ho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Question about header In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2417 Status: O X-Status: > Could I configure Pine so that when I am reading my mail and have the full > header mode off, I could display more than the four default headers (Date, > From, To, and Subject)? Thanks for any help. Here is an extract from a document I wrote: : 6. Configuring Pine using the "Config Screen" : : In previous versions of Pine, you had to alter the .pinerc file if you : wanted to configure Pine. In Pine 3.90, you can configure Pine by : going to the Setup Configuration Screen (which is called the "Config : Screen" in this document). To find this screen, go to the Main Menu, : press S followed by C. : : You can use the Config Screen to change the settings of some of Pine's : variables. If you are uncertain as to the purpose of a variable (or a : value), move the cursor so that the appropriate line of the Config : Screen is highlighted, and press ? (for Help). Any changes that you : make to the Config Screen will eventually be written to your .pinerc : file. For many changes, the change that you want will be effected : immediately: however, for other changes you will need to leave Pine : and then re-start it. : : 10. Supplying your own headers : : You can supply your own headers or set default values for the standard : headers by setting the customized-hdrs variable. To set this : variable, go to the Config Screen (see Section 6) and then move the : cursor down to the line beginning "customized-hdrs =". Press A (for : Add Text) followed by a comma-separated list of the names of the : headers that you want to be included, e.g.: : Bcc:username@machine.site.domain : : 11. Controlling what headers get displayed when composing : : You can control what headers are displayed on the screen when you are : composing a message by setting the default-composer-hdrs variable. To : set this variable, go to the Config Screen (see Section 6) and then move : the cursor down to the line beginning "default-composer-hdrs =". : Press A (for Add Text) followed by a comma-separated list of the names : of the headers that you want to be displayed, e.g.: : To,Cc,Bcc,Subject -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 Academic Support Group, IT Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 10:06:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11656; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:06:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18253; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:00:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18247; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:00:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHEmB-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@email.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Another Suggestion for Improvement Date: 12 Dec 1994 07:38:51 GMT Message-Id: <3cgumb$1jbt@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3caodc$10e7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , MARK A JANKOVITS wrote: >On 9 Dec 1994, Trey Harris wrote: > >> >> Hm? Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the >> right of the top row of keys. How much further apart can you get? >> >What kind of keyboard are you using? In all the keyboards I've ever >seen/used the bottom row goes like this: You didn't include the explanatory line of my post: >>(Dvorakists of the world, unite!) > > zxcvbnm > ^^ > >X and C look mighty close there. True, but on my keyboard, the Dvorak (Standard layout, not Microsoft's): `1234567890]= ~!@#$%^&*()[+ ',.pyfgcrl/}\ "<>PYFGCRL?{| aoeuidhtns- AOEUIDHTNS_ ;qjkxbmwvz :QJKXBMWVZ (unshifted) (shifted) The X and the C are comfortably far away. I'm just trying to make a point about developers who write keybindings based on the layout of the QWERTY keyboard, rather than on mnemonics. It makes things damn annoying for those of us who use nonstandard input methods. Can you imagine what a person using a chorded keyboard must go through in applications that eschew arrow keys in favor of "i,j,k,m"? "Hm...to move up a line, press the third key and second keys simultaneously. To move down, key 1, 3, and 4. Right, 2, 3, and 4. Left, 1 and 3." That would be maddening! Developers need to stop assuming everyone uses QWERTY. In this age of carpal-tunnel strain, more and more of us are not. -- Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 10:08:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11832; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:08:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21255; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:04:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21249; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:04:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHEqG-00000EC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lovesexy@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Michael Todd Glazier) Subject: WANTED: Multiple From: menu Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:34:16 GMT Message-Id: <3chn18$dt4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: I'd REALLY like to see a patch, hack, or feature in Pine to allow From: selection after sending. That is, after I hit control-x, I'd like to be presented with a menu of From:'s, from which I select one and hit return for the default. i.e., so I can email as my username or as group mananger without having multiple .pinerc's and quiting each time, or editing the From: header manually each time. Does anyone have time to program something like is in? Bribes are available. :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 10:41:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13281; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:41:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19083; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:30:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Maui.CS.UCLA.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19066; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:29:57 -0800 Received: by maui.cs.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/3.27) id AA18204; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:29:34 PST Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: Giovanni Giuffrida To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine on PC... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am pretty new with PINE, I have installed it on my workstation at the univ. and I'd like to use it also at home on my PC. I wonder if I can run a PC version of pine without any network support. That is, I'd like to do the following: 1) download the "/usr/spool/mail/..." file from the university; 2) hangup the communication 3) read my e-mails in a relaxed way with no stress about keeping the phone line busy and spending money for long-distance (when far from home) calls Furthermore, a more challenging scenario continues as: 4) answer to my e-mails, still from home on my PC, postponing the answers instead of sending right away 5) connect again to the university 6) upload the 'postponed' answers (the correspondent file) 7) automatically send all of those I have download some PC versions and tried those, they always look for the network sw being installed, some versions do not run at all, others run but with a bunch of error messages being produced. However, when I try to compose my answers PC-pine does not allow me to compose any reply with no network sw installed. I think the solution to all that is just to have a version of PC-pine which allows only reading e-mails from a file in the INBOX format located in a specific directory, then compose answers to those by only postponing the replies. Basically, all network concern should be shut off. This would allow a full-automatic system to trasnfer e-mails from univ. to home in batch, prepare the answers and send'em back (maybe still using another automatic mechanism). Any help would be appreciated... Giovanni From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 11:27:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15975; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:27:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23270; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:19:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wave.aoml.erl.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23264; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:19:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (ho@localhost) by aoml.erl.gov (8.6.5/8.6.4) id OAA19292; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:19:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: David Ho To: Barry Cornelius Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Question about header In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: NOAA/AOML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Barry- Thanks for the help but the document that you sent me really doesn't answer my question. I would like to know if I could configure the header when I am reading my mail and not composing mail. -Dave On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > > Could I configure Pine so that when I am reading my mail and have the full > > header mode off, I could display more than the four default headers (Date, > > From, To, and Subject)? Thanks for any help. > > Here is an extract from a document I wrote: > > : 6. Configuring Pine using the "Config Screen" > : > : In previous versions of Pine, you had to alter the .pinerc file if you > : wanted to configure Pine. In Pine 3.90, you can configure Pine by > : going to the Setup Configuration Screen (which is called the "Config > : Screen" in this document). To find this screen, go to the Main Menu, > : press S followed by C. > : > : You can use the Config Screen to change the settings of some of Pine's > : variables. If you are uncertain as to the purpose of a variable (or a > : value), move the cursor so that the appropriate line of the Config > : Screen is highlighted, and press ? (for Help). Any changes that you > : make to the Config Screen will eventually be written to your .pinerc > : file. For many changes, the change that you want will be effected > : immediately: however, for other changes you will need to leave Pine > : and then re-start it. > : > : 10. Supplying your own headers > : > : You can supply your own headers or set default values for the standard > : headers by setting the customized-hdrs variable. To set this > : variable, go to the Config Screen (see Section 6) and then move the > : cursor down to the line beginning "customized-hdrs =". Press A (for > : Add Text) followed by a comma-separated list of the names of the > : headers that you want to be included, e.g.: > : Bcc:username@machine.site.domain > : > : 11. Controlling what headers get displayed when composing > : > : You can control what headers are displayed on the screen when you are > : composing a message by setting the default-composer-hdrs variable. To > : set this variable, go to the Config Screen (see Section 6) and then move > : the cursor down to the line beginning "default-composer-hdrs =". > : Press A (for Add Text) followed by a comma-separated list of the names > : of the headers that you want to be displayed, e.g.: > : To,Cc,Bcc,Subject > > -- > Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 > Academic Support Group, IT Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 > Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741 > Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 11:28:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16014; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:28:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23396; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:22:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu11.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23389; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:22:44 -0800 Received: from morgana.pubserv.com by uu11.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA05937 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:15:07 -0500 Received: by morgana.pubserv.com id AA01843 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 12 Dec 94 12:56:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:56:40 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Larkin Subject: Windows IMAP clients To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Are there any Windows (3.11 or NT 3.5) based IMAP clients out there? Preferrably something that does not run in a DOS session. I know about PCPine, but was wondering if there was something more graphical available. -- Brian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 11:34:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16330; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:34:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23485; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:27:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu3.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23479; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:27:35 -0800 Received: from naz.edu by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA12814 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:09:19 -0500 Received: from hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu by naz.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA01259; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:35:49 EST Received: by hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12964; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:48:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:48:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Naud" To: Pine Discussion Group Subject: Move read messages not in INBOX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have Pine set-up to read other incoming message folders aside from my INBOX. I use filter, the one that comes with elm, to filter mail. Everythings works great, but is there a way to have Pine automatically move read messages from one of my alternate INBOXes to my mbox? I have found nothing in the docs to do this. It is just a small problem. I can always use the save command, but it just adds another step. Thanx, Michael A. Naud ---- Michael A. Naud Internet: manaud@naz.edu Internet Administrator Voice: (716) 586-2525 Nazareth College, Rochester NY 14618 Fascimile: (716) 586-2452 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 11:52:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17513; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:52:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20972; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20966; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:44:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHGHn-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 11:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Finn Hybjerg Hansen Subject: Pine & PGP Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:00:20 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi I would like to suggest to implement PGP in pine in the future, since getting files an messages in and out of pine in order to encrypt and decrypt them, is irritating. I do understand very well if it is not implemented, cause that might not be easy at all, so take this mail as it is : Only a suggestion. Regards from Finn in Denmark ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Name : Finn Hybjerg Hansen | Aalborg University Email : fhh@kom.auc.dk | Institute of Electronic Systems Phone : +45 98 15 85 22 | Department of Communication Technology Direct: +45 98 15 42 11 - 4807 | Fredrik Bajers Vej 7A (Room A1-203) Fax : +45 98 15 67 40 | 9000 Aalborg ,,, WWW : http://www-i8.auc.dk/~fhh/ | DENMARK (o o) ----------------------------------- ------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 13:02:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20136; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:02:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22519; Mon, 12 Dec 94 12:56:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22513; Mon, 12 Dec 94 12:56:53 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06990 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:46:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Knute Snortum To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: F-key mode Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am running Wyse60-type terminals on a Unix system and function key mode does not work. It seems pine does not know how to interpret the F-keys on a Wyse60. My termcap seems okay, although I couldn't swear to that. The control sequences that my function keys produce are: = ^a @ ^m = ^a A ^m = ^a B ^m ... etc. Ring any bells? BTW, anyone know how to get Wyse60 arrow keys to work? --- Knute Snortum Internet: knute@msi.masi.com MAS Inc. Compuserve: 72144,1646 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 13:38:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22082; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:38:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23423; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:34:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23417; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:34:16 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16871; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:36:25 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:36:25 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 13:58:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22816; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:58:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27060; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:51:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27054; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:51:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHIPz-00000EC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Stripping headers? Date: 12 Dec 1994 18:20:59 GMT Message-Id: <3ci4ab$87a@news.cs.tulane.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi, Could someone please tell me if there is a way to strip the header lines from messages in a folder without having to do it manually? I am using filter in conjunction with my mailing list to create a digest, but huge headers on the digest mail-out are unsightly and unnecessary. All I need is From:, Date: and Subject:. Can anyone help? ______________________________________________________________________________ -j- Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec V-P New Orleans, La. ______________________________________________________________________________ --- "I've seen, I SAY, I've seen better heads on a mug of beer" --- -- Senator Claghorn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 14:27:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23885; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:27:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27691; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:22:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27677; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:22:22 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA19186; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:15:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: F-key mode To: Knute Snortum Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Knute Snortum wrote: > I am running Wyse60-type terminals on a Unix system and function key mode > does not work. It seems pine does not know how to interpret the F-keys > on a Wyse60. My termcap seems okay, although I couldn't swear to that. > The control sequences that my function keys produce are: > > = ^a @ ^m > = ^a A ^m > = ^a B ^m > ... etc. > > Ring any bells? > > BTW, anyone know how to get Wyse60 arrow keys to work? I asked a similar question earlier, and the reply was: "Key codes are hard-coded - pine doesn't use terminfo or termcap" :( If I'm wrong, I would love it if someone would correct me. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 15:18:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26122; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:18:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25689; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:13:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25683; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:13:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHJc6-000008C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: 12 Dec 1994 17:17:15 GMT Message-Id: <3ci0ir$c6g@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Finn Hybjerg Hansen writes: >When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a >possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup One way you can find out about new newsgroups at your site is to put display the last ~10 lines of the active file each time you log in. The active file tracks newsgroups that your site receives and new newsgroups are appended to the bottom of it. Here at my site I'd put this in my .login: tail -10 /news/newslib/active The active file is in different directories at different sites so you might want to ask your sys admin where it is at your site. Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 16:05:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27699; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:05:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00119; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:00:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00111; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:00:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHKO2-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ggerard@CS.Trinity.Edu (Gregory Gerard) Subject: getting list of remote Mailboxes Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:23:26 GMT Message-Id: <3chpte$4ge@tusol.cs.trinity.edu> Status: O X-Status: Is there anyway to get a list of remote mailboxes? It is a real pain not being able to browse through them. thanks, greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 16:08:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27936; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:08:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26868; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:01:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26862; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:01:03 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 13 Dec 94 07:57:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 07:57:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "D.Buitenhek" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: imapd In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, D.Buitenhek wrote: > I have tried to install imapd on a Sun with SunOs 4.1.3 > There is a line in the /etc/services like: imap 143/tcp > In the file /etc/inetd.conf : imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/etc/imapd > imapd. > After the command kill -HUP i tried to connect with 'telnet > 143 gives "connection refused" > Changing the port number to 109 gives the same result. > Chamgeing the port number to 109 and imap to pop-2 as well in /etc/services as > in /etc/inetd.conf gives the normal result as when I start the deamon by hand. > > How can I resolve the problem? One thing to look at, make sure that the seperator in your inetd.conf file are tab characeters and *not* spaces. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 16:12:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28144; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:12:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27036; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:07:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27030; Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:07:02 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:03:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:03:20 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc In-Reply-To: <3ci0ir$c6g@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 12 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Finn Hybjerg Hansen writes: > >When using pine (3.91) as newsreader/tool, I don't think there is a > >possibillity to check if there is any new newsgroup > > One way you can find out about new newsgroups at your site is to put > display the last ~10 lines of the active file each time you log in. > The active file tracks newsgroups that your site receives and new > newsgroups are appended to the bottom of it. Here at my site I'd > put this in my .login: > > tail -10 /news/newslib/active > > The active file is in different directories at different sites so > you might want to ask your sys admin where it is at your site. However, in the case where all of your news access is via NNTP, the file may not even be on your system. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 17:38:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02158; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:38:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29116; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:33:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29110; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:33:31 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:29:51 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:29:50 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Content-Type of application/pgp (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello folks, I believe all of you should be made aware of changes in the wind for support of pgp within the MIME framework. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 12 Dec 94 15:01:06 GMT From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: info-mime@CS.UTK.EDU Newgroups: comp.mail.mime Subject: Re: Content-Type of application/pgp After several discussions over the last few weeks -- with Phil Zimmerman, Jim Galvin, Ned Freed, and others at Email World and IETF -- I have reached the conclusion that the application/pgp type should be ABANDONED in favor of an approach based on multipart/security. My application/pgp Internet Draft is expiring shortly & will not be renewed. By using multipart/security, we can work towards a greater level of harmony between the PEM and PGP communities. It also now appears that there's a chance that PEM and PGP keys can be made interoperable, which would be a huge win. I don't want anyone to think I'm standing in the way of this convergence, so I wanted to publicly state that I have abandoned my application/pgp Internet Draft. What we need now is for someone to work up a new draft on how to use PGP inside of multipart/security. I'm swamped. Any volunteers? -- Nathaniel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 17:50:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02438; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:50:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29365; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:46:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29359; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:46:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHM1L-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 17:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lovesexy@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Michael Todd Glazier) Subject: File locking not working?? Date: 13 Dec 1994 00:20:42 GMT Message-Id: <3cipcq$mjh@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Status: O X-Status: I've compiled Pine on a BDSi machine using build bsd, and it works great, except that everytime it goes to lock a file is returns a "Cannot create .foo.lock, file or dir does not exist". Which they do, etc. It does complete all its operations despite the problem, but it is still annoying. Any ideas on how to fix this, or how to comment out locking altogether? - Michael Todd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 18:35:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03797; Mon, 12 Dec 94 18:35:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03544; Mon, 12 Dec 94 18:31:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03538; Mon, 12 Dec 94 18:31:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHMlL-000008C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 18:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@pegasus (Jim Ennis) Subject: Pine 3.91 under Solaris 2.x Date: 12 Dec 1994 19:54:25 GMT Message-Id: <3ci9ph$bep@news.cc.ucf.edu> Status: O X-Status: I plan to install Pine 3.91 on a Solaris 2.4 system early next month. Has anyone else done this (or 2.3) and if so, are there any gotchas to worry about? -- Jim Ennis | jim@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu Systems Administrator | (407) 823-1701 | Fax: (407) 823-5476 University of Central Florida | "Math is like a religion. | You have to believe that 2+2=4." - Calvin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 19:27:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05032; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:27:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04332; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:23:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04326; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:23:42 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:19:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:19:21 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jim Ennis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 under Solaris 2.x In-Reply-To: <3ci9ph$bep@news.cc.ucf.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 12 Dec 1994, Jim Ennis wrote: > I plan to install Pine 3.91 on a Solaris 2.4 system early next month. > Has anyone else done this (or 2.3) and if so, are there any gotchas to > worry about? Builds fine on 2.3. A few things to watch out for: 1. Do not include /usr/ucblib in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment. 2. If you are using the SUN c compiler....make sure that your cc is set to /usr/pkgs/SPARCWorks/SUNWspro/bin/cc or whatever....and *not* /usr/ucb/cc. 3. In the pine source directory, edit the makefile.sol to change the CFLAGS line to include -Dconst=. 4. Then use build sol to build. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 19:55:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05585; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:55:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01376; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:51:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01370; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:51:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHNwz-000008C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 19:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: help me: basic questions Date: 12 Dec 1994 19:42:00 GMT Message-Id: <3ci928$gh3@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: sanders@pop.life.uiuc.edu (nefarious hoyden) writes: >do you prefer it to nn? For new users I think Pine is a great way to get started participating in news. But if you read and participate in a lot of newsgroups then you'll probably want to move on to a newsreader like nn. Here are some features that nn has that Pine doesn't have: * consolidated menu i.e., lists each subject only once on menu * can choose multiple subjects and then go into reading mode and read all the articles you've selected * can kill a subject or an author * can have a subject auto-selected * nn's philosophy is "no news is good news" and so when you move to another newsgroup it automatically marks the current newsgroup as read. (You can change this behaviour if you don't like it; also it's easy to get back to articles marked read) * macros * key remapping * can pre-specify default save folder for each newsgroup you read * incredibly customizable, e.g., about how new newsgroups are treated There are lots more great things about nn. -Nancy -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 21:04:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06929; Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:04:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05588; Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:01:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05582; Mon, 12 Dec 94 21:01:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHP4R-000008C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 20:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jon Peck Subject: Newbie question Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:20:38 -500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I suspect this has been asked and answered a jillion times, but ... I'm fairly new to Pine (using 3.90). My access to it, and to Internet, is through the office. Unfortunately, the system administrator is on vacation, but I don't have the luxury of waiting for her return. Simple question: Can someone send me an e-mail message with a file attached? If so, how do I access it? I await any answers. Thanks! Jon Peck Tallahassee, FL jon@legal.firn.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 22:26:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08874; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:26:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03284; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:21:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03278; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:21:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHQKL-000008C; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Can't Find .newsrc Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT Status: O X-Status: I've installed Pine 3.91 on a Unixware (SVR4 with ANSI C compiler) computer and am using exactly the same config files that I use on a SunOS 4.1.?? computer. On the Sun, I can read newws with pine. On the UW machine, it can't eeven subscribe to any newsgroups! The config files have no variables set except the news-collection one is "News *[]". ??? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 22:35:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09146; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:35:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06940; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:31:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06934; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:31:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHQTt-00000FC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ntc@panix.com (NTC US ) Subject: Address distribution list Date: 12 Dec 1994 22:37:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3cj4th$6v2@panix.com> Status: O X-Status: I need often to sent the same letter to a group of people. Does anyone know how to do it without listing all the names on the address line? I'd like my message to look as addressed to one person at a time. Thank you for any suggestions you may have. George From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 23:25:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10047; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:25:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03988; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:22:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03982; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:22:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHRGx-00000DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonu@julian.uwo.ca (Jason Uberig) Subject: IMAP - libcrypt.a and Canadian SCO customers... Date: 12 Dec 1994 20:28:30 GMT Message-Id: <3cibpe$qsa@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Status: O X-Status: We (unfortunately) are running SCO here in Canada and do not have the crypt libraries. I had to rewire imapd to bypass the password authentication just to get it to work... ... is there anything I can do to get crypt in Canada?? Or even something that would do a similar job. All help is very much appreciated. Jason. -- +---------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason Uberig | E-mail: jasonu@julian.uwo.ca | | System Management - The art of keeping people happy. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 12 23:31:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10155; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:31:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07642; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:29:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07636; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:29:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHRMu-00000FC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 23:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 under Solaris 2.x Date: 12 Dec 1994 20:54:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3cj5ta$p0n@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3ci9ph$bep@news.cc.ucf.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3ci9ph$bep@news.cc.ucf.edu>, Jim Ennis wrote: :I plan to install Pine 3.91 on a Solaris 2.4 system early next month. :Has anyone else done this (or 2.3) and if so, are there any gotchas to :worry about? diff makefile.sol makefile.sol.orig 72c72 < CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -Dconst= --- > CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" You really should fix that case of TIN poisoning your article contracted: "jim@pegasus" isn't a valid return address. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 00:43:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11383; Tue, 13 Dec 94 00:43:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08517; Tue, 13 Dec 94 00:41:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08511; Tue, 13 Dec 94 00:41:17 -0800 Received: (from sbpmtm@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA17637; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:40:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:40:36 -0500 (EST) From: SBPM Tech Mgt Subject: Re: Address distribution list To: NTC US Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3cj4th$6v2@panix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > I need often to sent the same letter to a group of people. Does anyone > know how to do it without listing all the names on the address line? > I'd like my message to look as addressed to one person at a time. > Easy. Dummy up the group name with your own address for the "To:"line. Then get the rich header (with ^R 3.89) on and put the group add in the "Bcc:" Voila, no more scrolling past a whole bunch of names to get to the message! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Mala ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tech. Mgt. 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Goldberg Actuary From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 08:35:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22436; Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:35:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11694; Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:30:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11688; Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:30:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHZnf-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: angel@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu (Angel Li) Subject: Announce: palm, a Tcl/Tk mail reader Date: 12 Dec 1994 17:37:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3cijak$pic@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi, On mango.rsmas.miami.edu, directory ~ftp/pub/palm, file palm.shar.gz, I have placed a copy of my mail program written in Tcl/Tk, palm. palm uses the c-client library of Mark Crispin to handle mailbox interactions. palm uses the exmh-1.5.1 MIME display and composition routines. You'll need to build the c-client library available from ftp.cac.washington.edu and the BLT library available from alcatel. I've tested it with Tcl7.3/Tk 3.6. If you use pine, that's good. palm tries to feel similar to pine. This version doesn't have the new functionality that has been added to pine 3.91. There's a way to read news but it is really, really clunky. One can't post and news reading might be yanked out soon. News modes was simple to add with the c-client routines. The Help menu is somewhat lame but it's better than nothing. Haven't quite decided how to do it right. I run on DEC Alpha's running OSF/1 and I have a Linux laptop. This is the extend of my testing. I welcome reports, good or bad. -- Angel Li University of Miami/RSMAS Remote Sensing Group Internet: angel@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu "Every time you think it weakens the nation." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 09:32:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25041; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:32:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13116; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:27:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13110; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:27:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHaiD-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: <199412110409.WAA00625@hal10k.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <199412110409.WAA00625@hal10k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:22:02 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 10 Dec 1994, Top Dog wrote: > In comp.mail.pine you write: > > >Steve Miller (stevem@tyrell.net) wrote: > >:>I have a slip/ppp account on tyrell.net and wish to use pine to read > >:>my mail from my Linux system at home. I can send mail out to other > >:>systems fine, but can not open my inbox on my account at tyrell. > >SNIP! > >Update: > >I have found out that my internet service provider, Tyrell, is not > >running the inetd daemon. They should have noticed this right away > > Hi Steve > I am using a linux system also. And I had the same trouble. The > solution that I found was to get a file called popclient-2.21.tar.gz from > sunsite. You have to get a pop password from Tyrell to use it, this will > also be your ftp password so that you can ftp back to your home dir. SNIP! Tyrell now has imapd running and I am using it now. Looks like it is working ok. Much better and easier than POP. You still have to have a POP/IMAP/FTP password to use it. When you start up pine it asks for your password and then opens your inbox on tyrell.net. I have been using pine to read news also. > 3.89. I have nn-nntp running on my system so I can read the news via nn on my linux box. Are you spooling the news on your machine with a full time ppp connection or doing it on demand? -- Steve Miller stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 09:32:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25100; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:32:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16563; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:27:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16551; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:27:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHai3-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: <199412110409.WAA00625@hal10k.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <199412110409.WAA00625@hal10k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:04:09 GMT Status: O X-Status: Thanks for your ideas. I just received a message from someone on Tyrell's support staff that imapd is installed now. I will try that first. -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 10:31:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27301; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:31:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17898; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:25:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17892; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:25:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHbaQ-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brickman@exodus.databank.com (Jonathan E. Brickman) Subject: Catchup? Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:05:07 GMT Message-Id: <3cja23$396@news1.databank.com> Status: O X-Status: Is there a single keystroke to catchup (delete all msgs) in a mailbox or newsgroup? That seems to be a major lack -- as well as a number next to newsgroup names as to how many messages are inside. -- ||Jonathan E. Brickman --> Want to have a good time driving yourself crazy, but also have the --> best PC Net connection in the world? Try Linux :) brickman@databank.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 11:06:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28931; Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:06:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14936; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:43:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14930; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:43:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHbsI-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 10:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Arrow key control Date: 13 Dec 1994 07:28:11 GMT Message-Id: <3cjieb$p8h@agate.berkeley.edu> Status: O X-Status: I don't know if I miss something on the document. I have some suggestion to next pine release. Is that possible in next release user can use arrow keys to go to next/previous mail or up/down menu? Thanks!! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 13:18:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05314; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:18:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22031; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:13:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from idp.edu.au by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22025; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:12:58 -0800 Received: by idp.edu.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09274; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:15:09 +1000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:15:08 +1000 (AEST) From: Shane Herring To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Why? In-Reply-To: <3cjieb$p8h@agate.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I followed the advice given on how to unsubscribe from this list. All I got back from majordomo@cac.washington.edu was a message telling me I had done something wrong and someone would check it out. That was three days ago. How the hell do you get off this list. Bye. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 13:49:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06514; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:49:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22680; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:41:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22672; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:41:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHedT-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Is PINE Secure??? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:07:03 GMT Status: O X-Status: Here is part of a note from the system administrator of a large nearby university, commenting on Pine. Would a knowledgeable person please comment on his comments? Thanks, Pete ------------- Over the last 6-9 months, we've been seeing more requests for the latest in technology than for anything else. In particular, while we see the occasional request for pine and the like, we see 3-4 times as many requests for network-based services such as SLIP/PPP, POP, NNTP and the like. We see these requests both from internal XXXXXX folk as well as YYYYYY users. At the same time, due to security-related incidences there has been a marked increase in concern on security-related matters. Because of user requests our direction has been set toward network-based services. Because of concern over security (and the recognition that many network-based services require the use of the password which would pass over the network in the clear), our efforts have been most recently based in building a security service (library) which could be used by many if not most of the network-based services. To that end, we have intentionally slowed the depolyment of any service which requires a password since immediate deployment would add one more place where the vulnurability of passwords passing over the network in the clear would occur. For instance, to meet the goals above, we've decided to move to zmail, a network-based GUI mail system based upon the POP protocols (but to move toward IMAP soon). Since POP requires the use of the password, it is waiting upon the completion of the security library. While in principle I haven't any objection to pine in the short run, I wouldn't want to be put in a position that if we bring pine up today, we're going to be willing to support it in, say, 4 months. Even though pine can be configured to use POP, I know of no one willing to put in the work to make it IMAP compliant. [I thought that pine *was* IMAP-compliant. --pjh] Further, given that XXXXXX has chosen to move to zmail, I wouldn't want to be responsible for adding the necessary security calls into pine which would let it be compatible with our sense of security. This would mean essentially that when we turn on the new zmail based system, pine would break. Is this acceptable? [Can anyone comment on pine's lack of security, vis-a-vis ZMAIL? --pjh] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 14:47:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08605; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:47:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20381; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:43:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20375; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:43:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHfdO-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jxwang@uoguelph.ca (Jian-xiong Wang) Subject: Help, How to set a PINE mail on UNIX? Date: 13 Dec 1994 16:56:37 GMT Message-Id: <3ckjo5$jqo@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: Hi, The machine we use is a UNIX with PICO editor. But the system manager is unlikely willing to set the pine mail in the system. How can I set the Pine for me or for a group of users? Thanks in advance. Jian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 15:07:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09542; Tue, 13 Dec 94 15:07:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24551; Tue, 13 Dec 94 15:03:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24545; Tue, 13 Dec 94 15:03:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHfxH-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: joachim@wimsey.bc.ca Subject: Re: IMAP - libcrypt.a and Canadian SCO customers... Date: 13 Dec 1994 07:13:16 GMT Message-Id: <3cjhic$ksp@wolfe.wimsey.com> References: <3cibpe$qsa@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Status: O X-Status: On 12 December 1994 Jason Uberig writes: > We (unfortunately) are running SCO here in Canada and do not have the crypt > libraries. I had to rewire imapd to bypass the password authentication just > to get it to work... > > .... is there anything I can do to get crypt in Canada?? Or even something > that would do a similar job. All help is very much appreciated. There are several freely available versions of the DES encryption code available via ftp from sites outside the US (it is illegal to export this code from the US). You might try ftp.mcc.ac.uk in /pub/misc-unix or try archie crypt to find other sites. Most of these packages have the crypt() and encrypt() functions which are compatible replacements for the regular OS versions. Joachim -- Joachim Achtzehnter | private: joachim@wimsey.bc.ca Softouch Scheduling Services | business: softouch@unixg.ubc.ca #400-601 West Cordova Street | Vancouver, B.C. V6B 1G1, Canada | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 19:13:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18335; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:13:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25753; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:08:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25747; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:08:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHjlw-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: frerk@educat.hu-berlin.de (Frerk Meyer) Subject: Re: pine for OS/2! Date: 13 Dec 1994 12:30:43 GMT Message-Id: <3ck45j$qq4@dec2.rz.hu-berlin.de> References: Status: O X-Status: There is TCP/IP for OS/2 and gcc. Pine could be the first (and only) Mailer on OS/2 for imapd. I would be very happy with an text-only version of Pine for OS/2. --- Frerk Meyer Department for Computers in Education "http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~frerk/" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 19:14:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18360; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:14:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29334; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:08:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29328; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:08:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHjm2-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 18:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dale Huckeby Subject: Re: help me: basic questions In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:35:24 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, nefarious hoyden wrote: > Hello o pine experts, > > These are rudimentary questions, but i would appreciate your input: > > is there an easy way to transfer an entire mail folder onto a disk or hard > drive? > > *and* > > how do i access the newsgroups through pine? do you prefer it to nn? > > > ++++post or reply to cfkls@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu....not THIS address.++++ I guess I'll have to post this after all. I tried using the above address and my e-mail bounced. I'm mailing but not posting this, because my impression is that such questions are beneath the notice of the people in this group. But my experience is much less than theirs, more like yours (I presume), so *my* impressions and directions might conceivably be more relevant to your needs than those of a net guru who can't really remember how *unobvious* it all is at first. I noticed when I was reading the group a little bit ago that someone has already answered your post and is touting nn. I've used nn and will likely do so more frequently in the future, but right now I prefer pine, particularly when I'm reading my primary newsgroup, which is alt.astrology. What I *don't* like about nn is precisely what endears it to its fans, the fact that it gets rid of stuff as you scan and thus allows you to cover more ground in less time. I finally figured out that if I'm looking at a menu page listing articles and hit the spacebar to go to the next page, the articles I passed over when I hit the spacebar to look at the next page will not be there the next time I invoke nn because of the auto-junk-seen default variable. Now I enter a colon to bring up the command line right after I've hit to accept the first group nn presents me with on entry, and then I set that variable to off. Thus: <:set auto-junk-seen off> . But so far I haven't figured out how to keep it from reverting back to the original setting between sessions, so I have to do it over each time. To make a long story short, when I first started using nn I inadvertently wiped out a lot of messages I would have liked to look at, and I'm still a little nervous about accidentally screwing things up when I'm using nn. For that reason, if I finish a newsgroup and alt.astrology comes up next, I immediately hit shift-q (i.e. capital Q) so as to exit and get the hell out of Dodge, because if I inadvertently get rid of messages they'll also be missing when I try to read alt.astrology from pine. I like pine because it's much more user-friendly, even if much more cumbersome and inefficient, than nn. If you want something deleted you have to actually delete it, otherwise it'll stay there until its time is up. That's fine with me when I'm reading my three favorite newsgroups (alt.astrology, soc.history.science, comp.mail.pine) because I like to glance at the first "page" of each message in those groups before hitting for delete or for save. When you check each and every message, however briefly, to be sure you aren't missing anything that *might* be interesting or relevant, pine is as fast as nn. If it's a less relevant newsgroup and you're just glancing through, nn is much faster. Okay, here's what I do when I read news. When I'm in the main menu I hit for Mail. Once I get the pine menu screen I hit for Folder List. I then get a screen that looks like this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folder-collection (Local) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Select Here to See Expanded List ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- News-collection (Local) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Select Here to See Expanded List ] In my system, at least, the top "select here" is highlighted. I then hit either the down arrow or for next and it highlights the second one. Then I hit for view and it lists the newsgroups I'm subscribed to, with the first one highlighted. Here's what my screen looks like: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- details omitted --------------------------------------------------------------------------- likewise --------------------------------------------------------------------------- News-collection (Local) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- alt.astrology soc.history.science sci.astro alt.anthropology soc.anthropology.paleo soc.history sci.history.moderated efn.questions comp.mail.pine I hit again, pine opens alt.astrology, and I start reading. There are ways to speed things up if you come home from a two-day trip, as I just did, and find 305 messages in one newsgroup and over 400 in another. There are also ways to configure pine that makes it work better for my purposes. If this is helpful and you have more questions, I'll be happy to explain further. Basically, I'm giving you the kind of help I would have liked someone to give me three months ago, or at least I hope I am. Hope you're having as much fun with this stuff as I am. - Dale Huckeby (dale@efn.org) p.s. Just like the gurus I just overlooked the obvious. I think when you first enter News you'll be subscribed to every newsgroup under the sun. You can delete them all by hand, but it seems to me I wiped them all out and then added the groups I wanted by hitting for Subscribe. When you do that pine prompts you for the name of the group, you type it out and hit , and it appears on your screen. Or I might have hit from the main menu (not pine) to go to File Maintenance. (I just now tried it out, after writing the above sentence, and I think that's what I did when I first started, when I was still using nn and hadn't yet realized I could read news in pine.) After you hit and are in the File Maintenance menu, hit for Edit and when you're prompted for the name of the file type <.newsrc>. What you'll see is a long list of newsgroups. Each will have a colon after the name of the newsgroup, which means it's subscribed. You want to change it to a to indicate that it's unsubscribed. I think you can unsubscribe everything at once and then go back and put <:> next to the ones you want to subscribe, but as I recall I simply erased all the ones I didn't want. If you have problems with any of the above I'll experiment around and see what I can come up with. Finally, if I've underestimated your level of experience and spelled things out in excessive detail, I apologize. I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I remember how *un*obvious things were for me three months ago and how irritated I got when some nerd would tell me to "go to your init file and . . ." "So how do I get to my init file?" I wanted to say. "Do I hafta catch a goddamned cab, or what? Please don't ASSUME I know what you mean" . . . and I've tried not to with you. - D From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 19:28:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18663; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:28:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29541; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:24:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from millkern.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29535; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:24:38 -0800 Received: by millkern.com id AA17019 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:24:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: Byrg Bonnelycke To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: dlm@cac.washington.edu Subject: How use nested folders? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi: Anyone know how to construct nested folders, i.e. folders inside folders? Is it at all possible with Pine? I use Pine 3.91. Thanks, Byrg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 19:46:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19090; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:46:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26224; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:42:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26218; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:42:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHkG2-00000FC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: How do I get to see the full groups list? Date: 14 Dec 1994 00:41:57 GMT Message-Id: <3clf0l$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Ed Greshko with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine"group in this article on Mon, 12 Dec 1994 05:22:35 GMT: + > Ask the local News Admin. to keep a "full blown" sample newsrc file in + > /usr/local/sample. + That will work, except in the case where the person asking *is* + the administrator of their own system. You are gonna like this: there's a faq in the making which completely lists *all* the newsgroups and some relevant info about each newsgroup at: ftp://ftp.clark.net/pub/usenet-b/report/abbreviated.txt Check it out. Enjoy! Full credit goes to the FAQ maintainer. :) -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 20:11:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19666; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:11:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00289; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:07:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00283; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:07:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHkgZ-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 19:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: 14 Dec 1994 00:57:33 GMT Message-Id: <3clftt$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Ed Greshko with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine"group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:03:20 GMT: + On 12 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: + > tail -10 /news/newslib/active + However, in the case where all of your news access is via + NNTP, the file may not even be on your system. Isin't there a specific newsgroup which lists all new newsgroups? news.announce.newgroups Just subscribe to it....and read the periodic faq posted in that group. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 20:42:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20375; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:42:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26991; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:38:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26985; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:38:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHl6i-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: newsrc/news groups/pine Date: 14 Dec 1994 01:08:36 GMT Message-Id: <3clgik$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: To "The Pine Team", Would it be possible to include a sample ".newsrc" which has all the basic news.*.group newsgroups listed in it in future releases? Ofcourse an option should be there for such users who already have a customized ".newsrc" avail. if they want to use that. Just my 0.846204976 lires (approx. = US$0.02, calculated on a Pentium chip) :) -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 21:08:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20922; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:08:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01065; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:05:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01059; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:05:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHlUR-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Date: 14 Dec 1994 01:14:15 GMT Message-Id: <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT: + The config files have no variables set except the news-collection + one is "News *[]". How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 21:24:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21242; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:24:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27590; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:21:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27584; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:21:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHljs-00000EC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: 14 Dec 1994 01:27:40 GMT Message-Id: <3clhmc$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. David Ho with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:13:29 -0500: + Could I configure Pine so that when I am reading my mail and have the full + header mode off, I could display more than the four default headers (Date, + From, To, and Subject)? Thanks for any help. Date: From: To: and Subject: ....ok Reply-To: will appear if set, Attchmnt: will appear if there's an attachment.. What other standard header were you looking for to be displayed? -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 22:24:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22347; Tue, 13 Dec 94 22:24:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02082; Tue, 13 Dec 94 22:20:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02071; Tue, 13 Dec 94 22:20:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHmfM-00000DC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 21:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: getting list of remote Mailboxes Date: 13 Dec 1994 15:36:31 GMT Message-Id: <3ckf1v$sj0@news.halcyon.com> References: <3chpte$4ge@tusol.cs.trinity.edu> Status: O X-Status: ggerard@CS.Trinity.Edu (Gregory Gerard) writes: >Is there anyway to get a list of remote mailboxes? It is a real >pain not being able to browse through them. Do you mean remote folders on a host that you know about? If so, edit your .pinerc so it contains lines like these: incoming-folders={stein.u.washington.edu}inbox folder-collections={stein.u.washington.edu}Folders/[], *{imap.mid.net/anonymous}pub/NET/[] When you start Pine you will be prompted for a userID and password for any non-anonymous hosts. The Folders directory is relative to the home directory of the userID you give. When you go into Pine's folder list (with the L command) you'll see all the folders. I think it's nicest if you set expanded-view-of-folders. Does anyone know what an * before a folder collection means? I tried it without it and it doesn't work. It shows up in the folder list (Pine's L command) as a "News-collection". Also, does anyone know what else can be used other than anonymous after "host.name/" - I tried to specify my userid but that didn't work. Is there a way to pre-specify your userid? Thanks for any info, Nancy PS - I love IMAP!!! -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough > ^ < Infinite Ink From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 13 23:09:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23252; Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:09:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29032; Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:06:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cc.nsysu.edu.tw by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29026; Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:06:42 -0800 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by cc.nsysu.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA09142; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:06:52 +0800 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:06:51 +0800 (CST) From: Hsu Li-Cheng To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsuscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O X-Status: unsuscribe ======================================================================== Li-Cheng Hsu | Network Division | Computer Center | E-mail : hsu@cc.nsysu.edu.tw National Sun Yat-Sen University | Phone: 886-7-5316171 ext 2866 Kaohsiung,Taiwan,Rep. of China | Fax : 886-7-5614280 ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 00:25:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24714; Wed, 14 Dec 94 00:25:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00107; Wed, 14 Dec 94 00:21:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00101; Wed, 14 Dec 94 00:21:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHoYV-00000FC; Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nuonw@sunrise.cs.jmu.edu (waddhana nuon ) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: 14 Dec 1994 02:34:02 GMT Message-Id: <3clliq$igt@doc.jmu.edu> References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> Status: O X-Status: Gunther Anderson (gunther@ssi.edc.org) wrote: : Sergey A. Nikolaev (nikolaev@rec03.pnpi.spb.ru) wrote: : : I have just obtained the pine binaries from the source above. : : When starting and opening "INBOX", pine exits with messages: : : Bug in Pine detected: "Abort signal recieved" : : Exiting Pine. : : My system is System V/386 Release 3.2 : Never seen that one. I built it to run on SysV r3.2 v4.2. What version : of the system do you have? What style mailboxes are you using? Do you : have TCP/IP installed? Does this happen on both user mailboxes and on : root? Did you get the package from odi.cwc.whecn.edu or ftp.celestial.com : (both sources were mentioned)? If necessary, I can build it for you with : debugging turned on, so you can get more information about where it's : crashing. : Gunther Anderson I get the same error. I got mine from odi.cwc.whecn.edu since ftp.celestial.com doesn't seem to be up (at least from where I am). Dana Nuon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 02:35:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28240; Wed, 14 Dec 94 02:35:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05460; Wed, 14 Dec 94 02:31:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05454; Wed, 14 Dec 94 02:31:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHqdX-00000FC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 02:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a2593025@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Rolf Kutz) Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 ate my mail Date: 13 Dec 1994 15:29:58 GMT Message-Id: <3ckelmINN3kj5@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> References: <3btek9$mbi@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: Kangaroo Boy (vman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com) wrote: : Forgive me is this has been discussed before but I just discovered this : group..... : : Yesterday when I went into pine 3.91 which I've been using flawlessly for : the last few months my inbox said it contained 0 items rather than the 18 : which have been in it for the past few weeks. Any idea what happened to : my mail and is there a way to retrieve it? I use Pine 3.91 and this has : happened once before...I'm checking my mail daily. : : Helpppppp : : kb This happend to me when I postponed a letter. It vanished. The next day it was there again and then it vanished forever. Eddies in the System! -:( Rolf From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 03:50:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00130; Wed, 14 Dec 94 03:50:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06363; Wed, 14 Dec 94 03:45:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gateway1.DHL.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06357; Wed, 14 Dec 94 03:45:21 -0800 Received: from lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by gateway1.DHL.COM id aa04128; 14 Dec 94 4:37 PST Received: from lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM with SMTP (1.36.108.7/2.03-DSI) id AA07727; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:54:09 GMT Received: (from stares@localhost) by lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA01899; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:45:35 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:45:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Tares To: Pine Info Subject: Headers in PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I don't know if the this is the correct place to send this but as it appears that I have sendmail set up correctly... I am running Pine 3.91 on a Linux machine which is running sendmail v 8.6.9. I have set up sendmail so that outgoing mail from myself is aliased to Stuart.Tares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM as can be seen from the below: (done via a /usr/lib/sendmail -v) >From stares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM Wed Dec 14 09:49 GMT 1994 Received: from lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM with SMTP (1.36.108.7/2.03-DSI) id AA19857; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:49:59 GMT Received: (from stares@localhost) by lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01790 for stares@lhr-sys; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:41:09 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:41:09 GMT From: Stuart Tares <-- Correct Message-Id: <199412140941.JAA01790@lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM> Subject: Test from command line Apparently-To: stares@lhr-sys.DHL.COM Status: R Test 1 When I send via Pine, however, the From line is different and only shows my real login name as shown below: >From stares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM Wed Dec 14 09:51 GMT 1994 Received: from lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM with SMTP (1.36.108.7/2.03-DSI) id AA20199; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:51:05 GMT Received: (from stares@localhost) by lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01797; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:33 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Tares <-- Wrong To: stares@lhr-sys.DHL.COM Subject: Test from PINE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Test 2 Pine is sending the outgoing mail down to sendmail but it does not appear to be doing the name aliasing. As it is the same sendmail either way, I don't know what the problem is. If anyone had any ideas, I would be very grateful. Thanks and Regards Stuart (Any replies via pine-info or to Stuart.Tares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM please) ---- Stuart Tares Email : Stuart.Tares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM Senior Network Analyst Voice : +44 181 742 4060 DHL Systems Ltd Communications Service Group - Europe & Africa Region From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 07:16:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06603; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:16:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06075; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:10:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06069; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:10:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHuyd-000008C; Wed, 14 Dec 94 06:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Character sets in folder names Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:22:51 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: One of my users has reported some problems with the character set available in folder names: 1. $ and # Using A(dd folder) in the folders menu, it is possible to create folders with $ and #, and they can be saved to without problems. It is not however permitted to quote them in the Fcc: field (Pine beeps). 2. Upper and lower case On a unix system it is possible to create folders with names in either case, for example ABC and abc, and these are distinct folders (different files on unix). However, L(ist folders) will only show one of them (the one in capitals). Both these seem to me to be bugs. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 07:38:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07395; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:38:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06456; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:35:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06450; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:35:13 -0800 Received: from terre.IRCM.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA18618 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:32:57 -0500 Received: by terre.IRCM.UMontreal.CA (5.0/5.17) id AA17023; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:34:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:34:31 -0500 (EST) From: SI-Johanne Duhaime To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 5 Status: O X-Status: help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 09:17:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13212; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:17:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09141; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:11:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09135; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:11:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHwqT-000008C; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Thew Subject: Re: Windows IMAP clients In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:14:04 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Brian Larkin wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 DEC 1994 18:56:40 GMT > From: Brian Larkin > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Windows IMAP clients > > > Are there any Windows (3.11 or NT 3.5) based IMAP clients out there? > Preferrably something that does not run in a DOS session. I know about > PCPine, but was wondering if there was something more graphical available. > ECSmail from ISA in Canada . -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 09:17:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13217; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:17:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12512; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:11:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12504; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:11:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rHwqf-00000DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 08:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Thew Subject: Custom header problem with Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:16:53 GMT Status: O X-Status: Try again with better subject field... -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 DEC 1994 01:02:49 GMT From: Alan Thew Newgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Custom header problem I'm sure this is not new but some only seem to work for news but not mail. It _appears_ that I can define the use of a field such as Reply-To: and fill in a value on a per mail item basis. Rich headers displays the field but pine seems to lose it if I use the direct SMTP or sendmail interfaces. My organization field seems OK and Reply-To: is fine with the nntp interface. Thanks. -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 12:54:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24626; Wed, 14 Dec 94 12:54:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15050; Wed, 14 Dec 94 12:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15044; Wed, 14 Dec 94 12:50:20 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA11895; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:51:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:51:48 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: Corrupt file from pine server Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello -- I've gotten pine3.91.tar.Z from the server at ftp.cac.washington.edu and have gotten the message "corrupt input" when I try to uncompress it. I've gotten it and tried to uncompress a number of times, and always get the same message. Has anyone else had the same problem?? Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 13:31:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26485; Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:31:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15981; Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:26:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.bih.harvard.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15975; Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:26:31 -0800 Received: (from scott@localhost) by BIH Mail Handler (8.6.9/8.6.7) id QAA09408; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:26:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:26:30 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McWilliams X-Sender: scott@mercury To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: error with .pinerc Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I started getting a Cross Device error when I open my pine 3.91 session on a Sun under 4.1.3. "Extra" copies of my .pinerc (which exists and looks fine) are being created in /usr/tmp. Sometimes I've had two session open in the past but other than the read permissions being shifted I've not noticed a problem. Also, if I type an alias now before the system retrieves it I get a quick /usr/tmp/aXXXXX doesn't exit error at screen bottom, then the true address for the alias appears. Can't think of anything I've done differently, no one else is getting these errors. Any ideas? ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: Scott_McWilliams@bih.harvard.edu | | Sysadmin, Postmaster | | | | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | | Network Services | | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | | Boston, Mass. 02215 | -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 16:07:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02880; Wed, 14 Dec 94 16:07:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19405; Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:52:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19399; Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:52:31 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22011; Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:52:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: Mutt Meritt Subject: Downloading graphics files To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:52:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I hope this message is directed to the proper place. If not would you please forward or advise me where it should go. Background. I am at the UNiversity of Md. and use pine as my communications (mail) package. I currently go thru procomm to access pine. I have not been able to understand how to download graphics files over the net. I have tried over and over to get an explanation with one of two results. Either the people don't know how or they are so wrapped up in computers that they cannot explain how to do anything to anyone else except another computer jock. Notice my frustration here? Could someone please tell me how to access these files. What software do I need for encoding/unencoding or whatever that is. Where can I obtain it. I understand it is available via the net but do not know how to download those files either. And once I have the proper software how the hell do I use it? NOtice the frustration here again? I know I have probable sent an uproar of laughter around the computer inner sanctum at UW but once you stop laughing do you think someone would help? Thanks Mutt Meritt meritt@hpel.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 16:08:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02888; Wed, 14 Dec 94 16:08:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23089; Wed, 14 Dec 94 16:04:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23083; Wed, 14 Dec 94 16:04:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rI3I0-00000DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Miller Subject: Re: Access remote inbox In-Reply-To: <199412140529.XAA01356@hal10k.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <199412110409.WAA00625@hal10k.com> <199412140529.XAA01356@hal10k.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:05:43 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Top Dog wrote: > I am doing it on demand. Nn-nntp only downloads an index file to track the articles in Tyrells > spool dir. It does take many hours to set this up. > I currently have access to over 100 groups. After the database is setup you can update daily with > a cron script when you are online. This is a good solution if you are online at least about an hour > a day. If you are tracking a few groups or low traffic groups you could update in about 10-20 > minutes, all of this is done in the background. > It does take some work and time to set up nn-nntp. But after it is setup I think it is a good > solution. > Andre I am looking for a faster solution to access news remotely. I prefer tin as a news reader (or rtin) but it is very slow when I use rtin from my machine over PPP. Pine is pretty fast starting up, but takes about 15-20 seconds for each page of article titles, not to mention that it does not thread the articles. I might try nn-nntp but I never did like the interface much. Maybe if I took the time to learn the commands I might feel differently about nn. But I prefer a threaded news reader. Especially for high-traffic news groups. Thanks for your suggestions! -- Steve Miller Kansas City, MO stevem@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 17:40:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07116; Wed, 14 Dec 94 17:40:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21727; Wed, 14 Dec 94 17:37:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21721; Wed, 14 Dec 94 17:37:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rI4kx-000008C; Wed, 14 Dec 94 17:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eliot@barclay.harvard.edu (Eliot Shepard) Subject: help on using pine with mh folders Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:46:51 GMT Status: O X-Status: can one of you experts give me a short synopsis of the changes i need to make to my .pinerc to use pine with mh-style folders (folders are directories and messages are individual files)? also, what is the magic thing that makes a file a *pine* folder? is there some invisible character at the beginning of the file and between messages or something? i'd prefer email replies (i'll summarize back to the group). thanks. eliot -- Eliot Shepard shepard@cfa.harvard.edu #include http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~eliot/eshepard.html sharing a cigarette with a leper, a cigar with a leperette -pitchfork From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 21:26:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12328; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:26:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28984; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:22:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28978; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:22:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rI8Iv-000008C; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Slight trouble attaching Word for Window Doc Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: My friend mailed me an attachment from Budapest. I saved it and decoded it, and it seemed to work fine -- the first lines were stripped, the original name was restored. But then when I tried to bring it up on Word4Windows, it wouldn't come. I was able to retrieve it as a Dos document, and I retained all of the text, but I lost the character formatting. Has anyone else run into problems attached Word4Windows docs? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 21:28:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12412; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:28:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29020; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:24:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29014; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:24:47 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00526; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:24:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: prespecifying userid (was: getting list of remote Mailboxes) In-Reply-To: <3ckf1v$sj0@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 13 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Also, does anyone know what else can be used other than anonymous > after "host.name/" - I tried to specify my userid but that didn't > work. Is there a way to pre-specify your userid? Not yet, but we plan to have a way to do that in a future release. Right now the only keywords allowed after the host name are protocol specifiers (e.g. nntp, imap), and anonymous. IMAP is the default, but if you explicitly set it, Pine will not try to connect to the server via rsh (for pre-authentication purposes.) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 14 22:55:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14308; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:55:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00336; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:52:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00330; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:52:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rI9YF-00000QC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: venkat@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Venkatesh Thirumalai) Subject: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 05:35:48 GMT Status: O X-Status: hi, I am looking for a public "autoresponder" program. This should generate, an automatic reply, Acknowledging, a mail sent to a particular address. ( with a standard reply from file) That would be my first requirement. Next, if possible, I would also like this program, to scan for a couple of keywords, in the Subject line, and mail out to that person, the files, I have specfied beforehand, with those keywords. If such a script/code exsists for a mailtool such as elm/pine, do drop me a note. If such a program exsists for any other mail utilities (Unix based), kindly pass on the source. If you have such a program operational and could pass it along or point me to a source for the same, it would be great. Thanks in advance for any info, Venkat (Ph # 614.592.5357) (Fax # 614.592.6299) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 00:29:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16085; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:29:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27866; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:23:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27860; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:23:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIB8W-00000LC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dchun@aloha.com (Dale C. Chun) Subject: Compilation of Pine 3.89 on BSD Date: 14 Dec 1994 21:47:14 -1000 Message-Id: <3cosa2$iq9@mango.aloha.com> Status: O X-Status: I am currently attempting to compile pine 3.89 on an Intel-386 Platform running BSD Unix. After 30-minutes of compiling (and waiting), I encounter an error code 1. All the files compile except for pine. Does anyone know what an error code 1 is? Is that due to memory? How can I fix it? Thanks for any input. ...dale dchun@flex.com Dale C. Chun Honolulu, Hawaii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 00:36:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16283; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:36:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01521; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:33:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01515; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:33:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIBBL-00000VC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hstenzel@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Harley Stenzel) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:18:03 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article , Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: >I am looking for a public "autoresponder" program. > >This should generate, an automatic reply, Acknowledging, a mail sent to a >particular address. ( with a standard reply from file) > >Next, if possible, I would also like this program, to scan for a couple >of keywords, in the Subject line, and mail out to that person, the files, >I have specfied beforehand, with those keywords. > >If such a script/code exsists for a mailtool such as elm/pine, do drop me >a note. > >If such a program exsists for any other mail utilities (Unix based), >kindly pass on the source. > > If you have such a program operational and could pass it along >or point me to a source for the same, it would be great. > >Thanks in advance for any info, > Yes, such a program does exist, and it's called procmail. An archie search should point you in the right direction. --Harley From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 01:29:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17583; Thu, 15 Dec 94 01:29:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28797; Thu, 15 Dec 94 01:26:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28791; Thu, 15 Dec 94 01:26:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIC23-00000LC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 00:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdeem@crash.cts.com (Mike Deem) Subject: I still cant get a sig file Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:06:29 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I tried to create the . signature file and put it in the root directory and selected the sig on option and still no sig at end of letters. this sucks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 04:11:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21853; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:11:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04464; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:06:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04458; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:06:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIEXK-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 03:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: berdii@sesa.ucl.ac.be (Mostafa Berdii) Subject: Where is pine ? Date: 15 Dec 1994 10:19:00 GMT Message-Id: <3cp56k$pbf@sci3.sri.ucl.ac.be> Status: O X-Status: Hello world Anybody can tell me where can I get pine for DOS or WINDOWS ? Thanks for any response ... Email : berdii@sesa.ucl.ac.be From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 04:24:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22102; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:24:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01335; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:19:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01329; Thu, 15 Dec 94 04:19:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIEiX-00000LC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 03:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@hal10k.com (Top Dog) Subject: Major problem with Pine3.91, can't post! Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:23:25 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am having a major problem with Pine3.91. It will not send mail for me. I can use Pine3.89 without any problems, but 3.91 just will not work. I am using a Linux (unix) system with sendmail installed. First off when I start pine I get this message: [Error saving configuration in file "/root/.pinerc": Invalid argument] Then the main screen will come up and everything seems to be fine, but when I try to compose a message and type ^X to send I get this message: [Can't write temp file for sending: Unknown error] I am at a loss. I have checked my permissions and they seem to be fine. But just in case here they are: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7725 Dec 14 01:03 .pinerc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122207 Oct 30 14:17 pico* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1421940 Oct 30 14:17 pine* I don't know what to do from here. I have reinstalled pine several times with the same results. If anyone could give me some help I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. Andre -- ______________________________________________________________________ Running Linux v1.1.72 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 05:20:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23443; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:20:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02045; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:14:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02039; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:14:02 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:12:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:12:50 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Mike Deem Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: I still cant get a sig file In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Mike Deem wrote: > I tried to create the . signature file and put it in the root directory > and selected the sig on option and still no sig at end of letters. this sucks > Some questions for you: 1. Are you using pine? The headers of your email don't indicate it. 2. If you are using pine....what version? 3. You put the .signature in the root (/) directory? Why don't you simply place it in your $HOME directory? 4. The "sig on option"?? In the pine setup menu (pine 3.9X) you simply set the "signature-file =" parameter to the name of your signature file. e.g. signature-file = $HOME/.mysig Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 05:21:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23485; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:21:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02080; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:16:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02068; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:16:28 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:15:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:15:17 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Mostafa Berdii Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where is pine ? In-Reply-To: <3cp56k$pbf@sci3.sri.ucl.ac.be> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 15 Dec 1994, Mostafa Berdii wrote: > Anybody can tell me where can I get pine for DOS or WINDOWS ? ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the pine directory. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 05:36:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23897; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:36:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02330; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:31:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gateway1.DHL.COM by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02322; Thu, 15 Dec 94 05:31:19 -0800 Received: from lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by gateway1.DHL.COM id aa04293; 15 Dec 94 6:23 PST Received: from lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM by lhrsys1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM with SMTP (1.36.108.7/2.03-DSI) id AA01286; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:40:05 GMT Received: (from stares@localhost) by lhroas1.lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA00554; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:31:23 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:31:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Tares To: Top Dog Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Major problem with Pine3.91, can't post! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Top Dog wrote: > I am having a major problem with Pine3.91. It will not send mail for me. > I can use Pine3.89 without any problems, but 3.91 just will not work. I am using > a Linux (unix) system with sendmail installed. > > First off when I start pine I get this message: > > [Error saving configuration in file "/root/.pinerc": Invalid argument] > > Then the main screen will come up and everything seems to be fine, but when I > try to compose a message and type ^X to send I get this message: > > [Can't write temp file for sending: Unknown error] > I am at a loss. I have checked my permissions and they seem to be fine. But just in case > here they are: > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7725 Dec 14 01:03 .pinerc > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122207 Oct 30 14:17 pico* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1421940 Oct 30 14:17 pine* > > I don't know what to do from here. I have reinstalled pine several times with the > same results. If anyone could give me some help I would really appreciate it. > > Thanks in advance. > Andre > > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________ > Running Linux v1.1.72 - The best unix since Unix > giving power back to the people. > Andre Bell > Andre, I too am running Linux and sendmail and have managed to get Pine 3.91 working without any great problems. I don't know what the problems with .pinerc is but the most likely problem with your inability to send mail is incorrect permissions on sendmail. The sendmail binary on my system (and most other systems I have seen) has setuid bit set which ensures that when a normal user sends mail, the forked sendmail process has the correct permissions. If this does not cure the problem, please email me at the below address (do not reply to this - see a previous message of mine), with whatever relevant details you have, such as version of sendmail (V5 or V8), whether it is IDA or another version. I will endeavour to help you as much as possible. Stuart ---- Stuart Tares Email : Stuart.Tares@lhr-sys.bru-ro.DHL.COM Senior Network Analyst Voice : +44 181 742 4060 DHL Systems Ltd Communications Service Group - Europe & Africa Region From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 08:04:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27474; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:04:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07945; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:57:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07939; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:57:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rII6x-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Pine & PGP Message-Id: <1994Dec15.064808.496@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 06:48:08 CST References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote: >Hi > >I would like to suggest to implement PGP in pine in the future, since >getting files an messages in and out of pine in order to encrypt and >decrypt them, is irritating. > I'll second that. Until then, send blank e-mail to slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp mkpgp should show up in you mailbox within the hour. If you're in a hurry, finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more will place the readme, atop a uuencode of the script, in your current directory as you read the manual. mkpgp is a c-shell script that acts as a "go between" for Pine & pgp. It features: editor of your choice, spell checker of your choice, encryption (with or without signing), signing (with or without encryption), encrypted attachments, effortless public key additions from e-mail, decryption & signature verification, effortless encrypted attachment extraction, and more... If you want updates, send blank e-mail to slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: addtomkpgplist mkpgp will show up each time the modification date changes. -- kc prudence dictates a low profile -- Sandy Sandfort finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 08:17:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28069; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:17:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05042; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:12:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05036; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:12:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIIMQ-00000vC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: Re: Slight trouble attaching Word for Window Doc Date: 14 Dec 1994 17:19:21 GMT Message-Id: <3cn9ep$7m7@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Michael Pollak wrote: > >My friend mailed me an attachment from Budapest. I saved it and decoded >it, and it seemed to work fine -- the first lines were stripped, the >original name was restored. But then when I tried to bring it up on >Word4Windows, it wouldn't come. I was able to retrieve it as a Dos >document, and I retained all of the text, but I lost the character >formatting. Has anyone else run into problems attached Word4Windows docs? Never had any problems with Word, but have had problems with emailing uuencoded WordPerfect documents.... Are you sure that you are both using the same version of Word? Word 2.0 cannot retrieve a Word 6.0 document. > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > -- Michael Parson /// University of Texas at Brownsville Unix System Adminstrator /// SX-64 Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu \\\/// C-128 Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc \XX/ A500 Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 10:18:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05486; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:18:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11761; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:13:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11755; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:12:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIKFg-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 09:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jay Allen Subject: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:28:16 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, I was wondering if I could use a .mailrc alias in PINE, instead of cluttering up my addressbook with a ton of addresses, mixing personal and business (yecch!) :) Thanks in advance. -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ -j- Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec V-P New Orleans, La. ______________________________________________________________________________ --- Today I accidentally stepped on a snail on the sidewalk in front of --- our house. And I thought, I too am like that snail. I build a --- defensive wall around myself, a 'shell' if you will. But my shell --- isn't made out of a hard protective substance. Mine is made out of --- tinfoil and paper bags. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 10:19:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05574; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:19:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11785; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:14:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11779; Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:13:58 -0800 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (root@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.4/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:57 -0500 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (simmonmt@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by lab19.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.4/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Simmons To: Pine Mailing List Subject: MIME viewer enhancement request Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: To keep the keys consistent between the functions, wouldn't it be better (in the MIME attachment viewer) to have 'I' return the user to the index, and 'M' return the user to the main menu? I find myself constantly hitting the 'I' key in the viewer, since that key works everywhere else. I've also noticed quite a few new users having this problem. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 13:07:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13858; Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:07:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12928; Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:04:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12922; Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:04:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIMvA-00000DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 12:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine for SCO-UNIX Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:01:06 GMT Message-Id: References: <9411271012.AA10265@RezoNet.NET> <3clliq$igt@doc.jmu.edu> Status: O X-Status: waddhana nuon (nuonw@sunrise.cs.jmu.edu) wrote: : Gunther Anderson (gunther@ssi.edc.org) wrote: : : Never seen that one. I built it to run on SysV r3.2 v4.2. What version : : of the system do you have? What style mailboxes are you using? Do you : : have TCP/IP installed? Does this happen on both user mailboxes and on : : root? Did you get the package from odi.cwc.whecn.edu or ftp.celestial.com : : (both sources were mentioned)? If necessary, I can build it for you with : : debugging turned on, so you can get more information about where it's : : crashing. : I get the same error. I got mine from odi.cwc.whecn.edu since ftp.celestial.com : doesn't seem to be up (at least from where I am). I can't seem to get through to them either. I have run the binary from odi here, and have no problems. What version does "uname -X" say you've got? I've never tried to run this on anything less than 3.2.4.0 (and I'm running 3.2.4.2), and I'm not sure I ever tested it on default Sendmail boxes, though I'm sure it works. So let me know all you can about the situation, and if necessary I'll be happy to get you a binary with debugging enabled. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 14:42:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18093; Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:42:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18250; Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:38:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18244; Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:37:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIOQd-00000QC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: venkat@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Venkatesh Thirumalai) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Message-Id: References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:23:02 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu>, Jay Allen wrote: >Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: > >: If you have such a program operational and could pass it along >: or point me to a source for the same, it would be great. > > Me too! Thanks in advance. -j- Check out procmail. (as usual it is in the FAQ (Filter FAq to be exact.) ftp rtfm.mit.edu to get the faq. Venkat > >______________________________________________________________________________ > -j- > Tulane Medical School > SEISA Exec V-P > New Orleans, La. >______________________________________________________________________________ >--- The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. >--- -- Franklin P. Jones From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 15:18:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20037; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:18:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15884; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:13:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15878; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:13:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIOy5-00000DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 14:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:41:06 GMT Message-Id: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: : If you have such a program operational and could pass it along : or point me to a source for the same, it would be great. Me too! Thanks in advance. -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ -j- Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec V-P New Orleans, La. ______________________________________________________________________________ --- The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. --- -- Franklin P. Jones From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 15:59:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21581; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:59:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19753; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:50:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19747; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:50:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIPVX-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 15 Dec 1994 21:30:29 GMT Message-Id: <3cqchl$3uj@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Archive-name: signature_finger_faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 15 December 1994 Current-versions-at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/signature_finger_faq _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS | / \ | Telling the World Who You Are | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 Preliminaries ... 0.1 Reading the Hypertext Version ... 0.2 Reading the Plain Text Version (Digest Format) ... 0.3 Notation ... 0.4 Terminology 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions ... 1.1 Pine ... ... 1.1.1 Pine 3.90 and Later ... ... 1.1.2 Pine 3.89 and Earlier ... 1.2 Elm ... 1.3 Mail ... 1.4 SUN OpenWindows Mailtool ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode ... 1.6 MH and Emacs mh-e ... 1.7 NN ... 1.8 GNUS ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project ... 2.4 Test Fingering Yourself ... 2.5 Finding Out Who Fingers You ... 2.6 Backfinger Script ... 2.7 Interesting Places to Finger 3.0 What to Put in Your Signature and Finger Files ... 3.1 URLs ... 3.2 Ascii Art ... 3.3 Animated Text Strings ... 3.4 Robot Fodder ... 3.5 Newsgroups for Sig Discussion 4.0 Organization Header ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Later ... 4.3 Elm ... 4.4 NN 5.0 Contributors ... 5.1 Acknowledgements ... 5.2 If You'd Like to Contribute 6.0 Copyright Notice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 Preliminaries This article describes these ways you can tell people on the Internet more about yourself: * Your signature file which is automatically included in your mail and news messages. * Your finger information which is displayed when people finger you. * Your Organization line which is one of the headers in your mail and news messages. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Reading the Hypertext Version The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Netscape, Mosaic, WinWeb, Panda, Tapestry, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to some manual pages This and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Reading the Plain Text Version (Digest Format) If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split an article that is in digest format by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g to skip to the next line that begins with ``Subject: '' * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For more information on using formail, see the formail(1) and procmail(1) man pages, and the Procmail FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/procmail-faq/faq.html ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Notation Notation Meaning ======== ======= TextName placeholder; replace with appropriate text placeholder; replace with appropriate text without the angle brackets ``text'' text you type but without the quotes "text" text you type including the double quotes 'text' text you type including the single quotes [Key] press the key, e.g., [Space] or [Enter] ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Terminology Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol FQDN Full Qualified Domain Name HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol mailer Mail user agent (MUA) such as Pine or Elm pico PIne COmposer - friendly editor that's part of the Pine package RFC Internet ``Request For Comments'' document URL Uniform Resource Locator (specified in RFC1630) ^x Press the Ctrl key and then, while holding down the Ctrl key, press the x key ~ Your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, such as the Bourne shell (sh), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ======= ============== cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. In Pico use ^x to exit and answer y when asked if you want to save your changes. chmod 644 .signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l .signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod a+x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are group or other writable (?????w??w?) you may want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". Note that on some systems, such as VMS, some files and directories in your home directory need to be group or other writable, so only change permissions if you know what you're doing. For more info on changing permissions see the chmod man pages. For some newsreaders and mailers this is all you need to do to set up your signature. For example the default behaviour of pine(1), tin(1), and the rn family - rn(1), trn(1), strn(1), & Pnews(1) - is to automatically append ~/.signature, if it exists. If you use Elm, Mail, SUN OpenWindows Mailtool, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, NN, or GNUS follow the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and Distribution set to ``local'' to save bandwidth). Note that with many newsreaders and mailers you will not see your signature while you are composing a message - it will be automaticlally appended when you send the message. Note also that many systems add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have a problem with your sig see section 1.9 on Troubleshooting. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.1 Pine Followup-To: comp.mail.pine Pine automatically appends ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. Many people like to set the signature-at-bottom variable which will put your signature below both your message and the message you are replying to (if you've included it). Note that if you are forwarding a message your signature will be put below the message that you write but above the forwarded message. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... ... 1.1.1 Pine 3.90 and Later Followup-To: comp.mail.pine Pine automatically appends ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Spacebar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ can be used for your $HOME directory. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... ... 1.1.2 Pine 3.89 and Earlier Followup-To: comp.mail.pine Pine automatically appends ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. To change Pine's signature features in Pine 3.89 (and earlier versions) you need to edit your ~/.pinerc file directly. Type... In order to... ======= ============== cd Change to your home directory (i.e., $HOME or ~) pico .pinerc Use the pico editor to edit your .pinerc file. ^w Search for . . . feature-list . . . ``feature-list'' Edit your .pinerc so that it contains this line: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom If you want to use a file other than ~/.signature for your signature edit the following line: signature-file= ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.2 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Elm need to edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). SEE ALSO ======== Elm Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.3 Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.misc By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" SEE ALSO ======== Manual pages: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc ------------------------------ From: Jochen Bern Subject: ... 1.4 SUN OpenWindows Mailtool By Jochen Bern, 7 November 1994 The mailtool of SUNs OpenWindows lacks numerous Things, including the Ability to sign Mails. However, most OW Users stick with mailtool because of the Ability to use "Attachments" to send around Files. A simple Replacement for Signatures is to add a "Template" (click on Edit -> Properties, select Category "Template" in the Properties Window, and give Name and File as desired). Disadvantage: You have to edit in every Signature by Hand, though. A better Approach is to use a "set sendmail=..." Line in your ~/.mailrc. Mails being sent out will be handed over to the Executable named there instead of the Mail Delivery Subsystem. You can easily plug in a simple Program to sign your Mails there. However, be warned that all too simple Siggers aren't aware of the abovementioned Attachments, so the Signature will end up in the last Attachment instead of the Mail Text. A Sigger doing this correctly can be found at file://ftp.informatik.uni-trier.de/pub/sunos/JoesMailtool/. Note that this will cause the standard mail Command to use the Sigger, too. ------------------------------ From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. Instructions for Version 19 by Richard Kasperowski ================================================== In emacs 19, I use: (setq mail-signature t) There is a problem with my expression with respect posting to USENET via GNUS. GNUS automatically appends .signature to the post when it is sent out. With (setq mail-signature t), .signature is appended to the end of the emacs buffer in which you edit your post. When you send-out the post, another .signature is appended to the end. You end up with two .signatures on your USENET posts. This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html ------------------------------ From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.6 MH and Emacs mh-e Followup-To: comp.mail.mh By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. SEE ALSO ======== MH FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html MH Manual: mh(1) MH Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.7 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of NN need to edit their ~/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post off Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news posting software (usually inews) automatically appends ~/.signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1), inews(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ From: Mike Northam Subject: ... 1.8 GNUS Followup-To: gnu.emacs.gnus Copyright (c) 1994 Mike Northam In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroup: gnu.emacs.gnus FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems A common problem people have with .signature (and .plan, .project, and .forward ) files is that the permissions are not set correctly. Check to make sure that you have set the permissions as instructed in 1.0 above. If you are still having problems read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string ``signature''. There may be a variable you need to set in order for the ~/.signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [Space] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) For more information on reading manual pages see the man(1), less(1), and/or more(1) man pages. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions If your host is running the finger daemon (fingerd) then people around the world can find out more about you by fingering you. This is done by typing the following at a Unix prompt: finger YourUserID@your.fully.qualified.domain.name On some systems finger is linked to f so the following also works: f YourUserID@your.fqdn Finger displays different information on different systems. Often it will display your full name, your default shell, when your were last logged on, and your ~/.plan and ~/.project files. If you finger someone and the display takes more than one page you can pipe the output through less (or more if you don't have less). For example to find out about Halcyon, my Internet service provider, type: finger info@halcyon.com |less Finger can also be used to display information about groups of people. For example: finger john@random.fqdn |less Ths will display finger information about everyone with ``john'' in their name on random.fqdn. You can get a short listing for each person by using: finger -q john@random.fqdn |less For technical details about the finger protocol see RFC1288. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering In addition to using the finger or f command you can finger people through a Web browser. The following is a form that Doug Stevenson created: http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/finger.pl Also, Marc VanHeyningen has a Web finger gateway at: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/finger/fully.qualified.domain.name/userid/w You can also use this URL: gopher://fully.qualified.domain.name:79/0userid ^ Note: 0 precedes the userid For example you can finger my Internet service provider with this URL: gopher://halcyon.com:79/0info ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. After you have changed your information check that they are in place by fingering yourself. Also to see a different display of your information type the following at your Unix prompt: finger This displays a one line description of everyone currently logged on your system. For more information see the chfn(1), passwd(1), and finger(1) man pages. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project Your ~/.project and ~/.plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a ~/.signature file (described in 1.0 above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Change to your home directory. pico .plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l .plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod a+x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la . Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.4 Test Fingering Yourself To test your changes finger yourself by type each of these at your Unix prompt: finger YourUserID finger YourUserID@your.fqdn finger To ensure that people from other systems can finger you should ask someone who's not on your system to finger you too. It is possible for you to simulate fingering yourself from another machine (another.fqdn) by doing this: finger YourUserID@your.fqdn@another.fqdn In order for this to work another.fqdn must support full finger functionality. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.5 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For more information see: * The next section of this FAQ on the Backfinger Script. * Chris Alfeld's fingertrace: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/fingertrace/ * Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting] 4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me? This article is archived in all the usual FAQ archives, including: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/unix-faq/faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html An easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu $HOME/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's interesting to see when the last time someone was checking on me! [Note that under AFS (Andrew File System, a distributed filesystem), ls -lu $HOME/.plan will not work due to the fact that AFS has no notion of ``atime'', or ``last accessed time''.] ------------------------------ From: Janet Rosenbaum Subject: ... 2.6 Backfinger Script by Janet Rosenbaum There is a script available called, among other things, backfinger, planner, and finger_logger (flogger or frogger, for short). This script makes your plan into a named pipe (just think of this as a sort of pipe used with plumbing that opens out onto the screen of the person who is fingering you (fred)) so that when it is accessed, it looks for a program from which to get something to stick on fred's screen. The script is called when you are fingered. At that moment, it looks to the finger port of your unix machine and sees which machine fred is on, logs that machine's IP number and hostname, and the date. The script can then execute a command to spit a plan out on fred's screen. (One might get creative and write a program that generates random poetry or use the fortune program or just do "cat plan_file".) To make fred think you are really cool, it also tells him what machine he is fingering you from. Some caveats: -- This program must be running at all times on your system even when you are logged out. Leaving a background process like this annoys most sys admins to no end, especially on systems with high load. Do **not** run the program unless you are sure that you are allowed to run background processes like this. -- Also, if you decide you want to stop running this program, remove your .plan file as soon as you kill the process. If you do not do this, all finger processes for you will hang. -- This script only tells you the machine fred is fingering you from, not his actual username. It is nearly impossible to get this information except at sites with bad security. Given the above, I will distribute the script to those who can use it, mostly for educational reasons. I admit that I no longer run the program, since my two main accounts are on rather high-load systems. Nevertheless, I learned quite a lot from modifying these scripts and otherwise playing with these ideas. Here is the web site: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jrosen/scripts/logger.src I will also try to post this answer and the program to comp.sources.misc at least monthly for those without web access. (For those who have not figured out the web, try the program lynx if you are on a vt100 or vt220 type terminal. If you are on an xterm or hpterm, look for xmosaic.) Note: I am not the author of this program. The version I distribute is virtually identical to that distributed by Steve Franklin. Here are the real authors: Author: Tony Rems Modifications by Geoff Loker More modifications by Karen Bruner Even more modifications by Norman Franke More revisions by Steve Franklin Llamas and minor revision by The Blue One Enjoy! Janet ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.7 Interesting Places to Finger Scott Yanoff's "Updated Internet Services List" contains a number of interesting places to finger. If you access it through the following URL all the finger commands are links. http://www.uwm.edu/Mirror/inet.services.html ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 What to Put in Your Signature and Finger Files It is good netiquette to keep your signature to four lines or fewer. And many news posters, such as some versions of inews(1), will not post an article that has a signature with more than four lines in it. So, put large large pictures, your philosophy of life , etc. in your finger files or in your Web pages and point people to those in your signature. For signatures it's a good idea to keep the width less than 75 characters so that if your signature is included in a followup preceded by an attribution character (like ``> ''), each line will still be on one line. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.1 URLs A good strategy is to keep your signature short and include an URL to your Web page, e.g.: If you do not have a Web page you might want to put in an URL that will finger you, e.g.: The format that I've used above, ``'' is the current standard for URL specification. To find out more about this standard, see: ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.2 Ascii Art ** . . *@@* . . *@@@@* . . /@@\ . // \\ . // \\ . // \\ . . // Meli \\ . // Kalimaka \\ . . // \\ . // \\ // Joyeux Nokl \\ . . . // Bonne Annie \\ / // \\ \ . // \\ . . // Buon Natale e \\ . . // Felice Anno Nuovo \\ / // \\ \ . . // \\ . // Merry Christmas \\ . // Happy New Year \\ . . . / // \\ \ // \\ . // Frvehliche Weinachten \\ . // Alles Gute Zum Neuen Jahr\\ . . / // \\ \ . // \\ . // \\ . //Chuc Mung Giang sinh Nam Moi\\ . / // \\ \ . . // \\ // Feliz Navidad \\ . // y Prospero Aqo Nuevo \\ . / // \\ \ // \\ . . // Milad sa`id wa in sha \\ // allah sana mubaraka \\ . // \\ . . . //**************************************\\ // ************ \\ . ************ ** ** . . . ************ ************ Art by Jean-Frangois Mezei A good source of art for your signature and finger files is the ascii art FAQ which contains (among others) these topics: 9 Where can I find ASCII art? 22 How do I put an animation in my plan? 23 How do I make a sig? 24 How do I have my sig automatically added to my posts and email? The Ascii Art FAQ is at: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/faq.html One particularly good place to find ascii art is: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/scarecrow.html SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii, alt.ascii-art, alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art.animation ------------------------------ From: Marc Kriguer Subject: ... 3.3 Animated Text Strings Dotplan is a program that performs "animation" effects on text strings, so that .plan files (hence the name) look a little more fancy (on low-speed dialup lines). Some of the effects make the characters appear one at a time; others have the characters appear at once and "move" around. EXAMPLES dotplan 3 This is sample text # Display string using style 3 dotplan # Display usage information dotplan s # Display styles in all styles dotplan d This is more text # Display string in all styles dotplan 1 Hi there... > .plan # Save output in actual .plan file -- Marc The files are at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/dotplan.c ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/dotplan.1 ------------------------------ From: Tim Pierce Subject: ... 3.4 Robot Fodder Q: Tim, why do you and others put random, provocative words like the following in your sig? -- Green Card fodder: Canter, Siegel, green card, Joel Furr, liable, fortune, conspiracy, CyberSell, Tennessee Bar. A: The original genesis of this bit of lore was the NSA's supposed archiving of Usenet. It's a popular urban legend that the NSA scans and archives every message posted to Usenet, and in the heyday of this story it was popular to add "spook fodder" to your .signature consisting of words like "conspiracy, bullion, plutonium, Saudi Arabia, president, assassination," and so on. I think that the GNU Emacs distribution still comes with the code that would insert such words into your posts or .signatures automatically. A couple of years ago there was a nut named Clayton Cramer who would periodically bombard soc.motss with pages and pages of pseudo-scientific babble about the evils of homosexuality. It got so tiring that after a while I amended my .signature to read "Clayton-Fodder: homosexuality, pedophilia, incest, guns, Second Amendment, Libertarian, Reagan," or some such. It got quite a few giggles from some of the old hands out there. A more recent example was the case of "Serdar Argic," a program written by a U of Minnesota student to search for any article referencing Turkey or Turkish culture, and follow up with several pages of invective about Armenian genocide. There were some reports that this program was faulty and began responding to articles about "Thanksgiving Turkey" and the like, but I don't recall ever seeing that happen, myself. Nevertheless, people started putting "Argic fodder" into their .signatures, like "Turkey, Armenia, SDPA crooks, genocide" in order to bait the "Argic-bot" into following up. The latest rumor is that Canter and Siegel are archiving every post which refers to them, in the hopes of finding grounds for a libel suit. Hence, my .signature (which only goes to newsgroups in the news.* hierarchy). It's a ridiculous idea, but this is one of those bits of folklore which I really enjoy perpetuating. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.5 Newsgroups for Sig Discussion As discussed in 3.2 above there are a number of newsgroups for discussing ascii art. There are also these newsgroups where people discuss signatures: The War Lord of the West Preservation Fan Club: alt.fan.warlord Like alt.fan.warlord, only different: alt.stupid.signature.flame.flame.flame ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Organization Header The Organization header in news and mail messages is another way you can tell people about yourself. It is an optional header described in section 2.2.8 of RFC1036, "Standard for Interchange of Usenet Messages." READING MESSAGES ================ Many mailers and newsreaders do not automatically display the Organization header when you are reading a message you've received. Often typing ``h'' (for header) will display all the headers of a message. You can usually set up your software to automatically display the Organization line each time you view a messae. COMPOSING MESSAGES ================== Below are instructions for automatically having your Organization line filled in each time you compose a message. Some composers will automatically display your Organization header while you are composing, and others won't. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.1 Tin and the RN Family Followup-To: news.newusers.questions Tin and the rn family of tools (Pnews, rn, trn, strn) get information for the Organization header from the ORGANIZATION environment variable if it exists. In the csh or tcsh you can set this variable in your ~/.login with a line like this: setenv ORGANIZATION "Your Organization Name" After you edit your ~/.login you can establish the setting by either logging out and loggin back in or by typing the following at your Unix prompt: source ~/.login To check that the variable is set type: printenv After it is set, post a test message to a local test newsgroup with local distribution to check that the Organization header is correct. SEE ALSO ======== Manual Pages: tin(1), Pnews(1), rn(1), trn(1), strn(1) Newsgroup: news.newusers.questions ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Later Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In Pine 3.90, and later versions, you set the Organization and other headers using the customized-hdrs variable. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the customized-hdrs variable: a) Space bar and arrow down to the customized-hdrs variable. b) Type a for Add Value c) At the prompt type: Organization: Your Organization Name Note that if you have set the ORGANIZATION environment variable (which is described in 4.1 above) you can type: Organization: $ORGANIZATION While reading a message that you've received you can view the Organization header and all the other headers by typing h. If h does not work you need to go to your configuration menu and set the enable-full-header-cmd variable. While composing a message you can view all the headers by placing the cursor in the header region and typing ^r (view rich headers). NOTE: The customized-hdrs variable is not available in Pine 3.89 and below. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Use your editor to create a file named ~/.elm/elmheaders that contains any headers you'd like in your outgoing mail messages. For example, my ~/.elm/elmheaders file contains this one line: Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, WA, USA SEE ALSO ======== Elm Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.4 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn Use your editor to put the following lines in your ~/.nn/init file: set news-header Organization: Your Organization Name set mail-header Organization: Your Organization Name This will add the Organization header to both news and mail messages sent from NN. While reading messages with NN you can view the Organization line by adding O (the letter "oh") to your header-lines variable setting. I like the following setting: set header-lines AFOnWK*Y SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributors This FAQ, like many others, is a collaborative effort. I learned much of the information in newsgroups, especially: comp.unix.* comp.mail.* news.software.* news.newusers.questions Also, lots of people have mailed me information and I've tried to acknowledge them below. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 5.1 Acknowledgements + means someone who is new since the last time I posted this FAQ (i.e., since 31 October 1994). Thanks to these people who sent suggestions and digest items: + Jochen Bern Jym Dyer Mike Northam + Tim Pierce Janet Rosenbaum Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: Jeff Blaine Stephen Cristol + Roman Czyborra Terry Gray Sven Guckes Jon Hamilton + Rich Kasperowski + Hugh McGough Mary McGough David L Miller Skip Montanaro David W. Tamkin Syd Weinstein + Everyone who told me that bash understands tilde (~)! Thanks to these people who've created ascii art, programs, and/or documents that are pointed to in this article. (This list is not complete right now.) + Chris Alfeld or Bob Allison Jorn Barger + Jean-Frangois Mezei Piero Serini Doug Stevenson + Marc VanHeyningen Bill Wohler Scott A. Yanoff Special thanks to: Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 5.2 If You'd Like to Contribute If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me. I'd especially like to learn about: * Cool signatures that have less than or equal to four lines. * Finger clients for Windows or Mac Before you send suggestions please take a look at the latest version of this article to see if I've already incorporated your suggestion. It's archived at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/signature_finger_faq If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com ------------------------------ From: Nancy McGough Subject: 6.0 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. This collection of articles is first published in 1994 and is copyrighted by Nancy McGough (except subjects 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2.6, 3.3, 3.4) which are Copyright (c) 1994 by the authors named in the sections). No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the authors. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. End of signature_finger_faq Digest ********************************** -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 17:20:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24020; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:20:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21350; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:16:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21338; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:16:35 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA07153; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:16:14 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07482; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:08:14 +0800 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:08:14 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9412160108.AA07482@wizard> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PC-NFS and Pine X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 835 Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to setup Pine with PC-NFS v5.0, I'm having some initial trouble configuring it to recognize my SMTP host. I am using NDIS drivers and I wonder if there is a configuration file for pine to specify host names... I haven't even begun to setup IMAP - Is it possible to NFS mount the mail directory and have pine look at the drive instead? Any help would be appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 18:13:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25945; Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:13:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19021; Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:06:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19015; Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:06:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIRnw-00000LC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 17:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mueed Ahmad Subject: Nullifying the long address list on a message to addressbook group? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:57:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1505332775-787375087=:10232" Content-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1505332775-787375087=:10232 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Is there a way to keep PINE from displaying the long list of e-mail addresses in the header when sending to an addressbook group? That is, I have an addressbook group with about 20 people in it, and it displays every address in the header. I would like to just have the name of the group in the "To:" line in the header, instead of all the addresses. Thanks! I'd prefer e-mail responses, but post if you need to. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OOOOOOO O O Mueed Ahmad O O O O MAHMAD@VINSON.ECN.UOKNOR.EDU O O O O MUEED.AHMAD@OUBBS.TELECOM.UOKNOR.EDU OOOOOOO O The University of Oklahoma O O Norman, Oklahoma USA OOOOOOO Home of the Sooners!!! S O O N E R S =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --0-1505332775-787375087=:10232-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 20:48:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29581; Thu, 15 Dec 94 20:48:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24505; Thu, 15 Dec 94 20:44:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24499; Thu, 15 Dec 94 20:44:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIUCA-00000DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 20:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dvaklyes@osf1.gmu.edu (David W Vaklyes) Subject: READONLY INBOX Problem Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:17:27 GMT Message-Id: <3cpj5n$ms9@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: Six days ago pine started acting strangely on the machine at my work (SGI Indy, IRIX 5.2, Pine 3.90 them, 3.91 now) Whenever anyone starts pine, the INBOX is opened READONLY, and only one message is listed, titled /usr/mail/juser, which when opened contains all the current messages. The documentation suggests that it is a problem with the locking mechanism. I looked in /tmp (and /usr/tmp) for lock files of the form ./usr/mail/juser - but there are no files of this type. No other copies of pine are running on the system, and I do not know of any system changes made that day (although something apparently was changed) My users are being forced to use "Mail" and they are not happy. What am I missing? HELP! Thanks, Dave Vaklyes dvaklyes@sysplan.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 21:26:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00443; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:26:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21660; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:22:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21654; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:22:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIUpY-00000DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx (Juan M. Courcoul) Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.91 with Packet Driver Message-Id: References: <3c7enk$hmh@martha.utk.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:12:34 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article , wai@cp.dias.ie (Wai Ming Tai) wrote: > I found that pcpine work with the clarkson packet driver. However, when > I try to use the odipkt driver, there is a small problem, I have to > use odipkt 3.0 and in the net.cfg add two lines: > > Link support > buffers 6 1600 Besides this addition to net.cfg, is there some way to minimize PC-Pine's memory usage ? I need to get PC-Pine up and running for my local users, who will be sharing a copy of the executable, found on a Novell server. If I load the ODI stack and NETX.EXE (and McAfee's VSHIELD), the max. executable size is 455kb: Pine loads but bombs shortly afterwards with an "insufficent free memory" error. The typical machine also has several MB of extended memory, but Pine doesn't seem to use it. -- Juan M. Courcoul courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey courcoul@vmtecqro.qro.itesm.mx Campus Queretaro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 21:35:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00594; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:35:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25139; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:32:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25133; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:32:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIUyq-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: 16 Dec 1994 04:43:02 GMT Message-Id: <3cr5sm$6sc@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> Status: O X-Status: Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: : Check out procmail. : (as usual it is in the FAQ (Filter FAq to be exact.) : ftp rtfm.mit.edu to get the faq. Thanks, but been there, done that. I would *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE* to get procmail, but the powers that be don't want it. Go figure. I do have filter, though, and hence, need more guidance (Yes, I've read the man pages and yes I've read the Filter FAQ.) :-) So, script anyone? -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ --- Age, n.: --- That period of life in which we compound for the vices that we --- still cherish by reviling those that we no longer have the enterprise --- to commit. --- -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 22:35:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01915; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:35:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22493; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:32:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22487; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:32:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIVuy-00000DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Character sets in folder names Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:38:18 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > 2. Upper and lower case > > On a unix system it is possible to create folders with names in either > case, for example ABC and abc, and these are distinct folders (different > files on unix). However, L(ist folders) will only show one of them (the > one in capitals). I realise that what I meant to say here is that the folders are created on a unix system, but it is as viewed from PC-Pine (or Wpine) that the distinct folders cannot be seen. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 15 23:06:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02699; Thu, 15 Dec 94 23:06:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26293; Thu, 15 Dec 94 23:02:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26287; Thu, 15 Dec 94 23:02:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIWQI-00000EC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx (Juan M. Courcoul) Subject: PC Pine 3.91 memory requirements Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:53:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: Please forgive my insistence on this question, but my users are getting cranky... :( I need to set up PC-Pine for shared use on a public directory in a Novell fileserver. Setting up the mail folders, addressbooks and the like is not a problem, since all pertinent environment variables can be set up on either the user or the system login script. Unfortunately, memory usage is a severe problem. After loading up the ODI stack, NETX and perhaps a few other goodies (such as DOSKEY or McAfee's VSHIELD), the typical PC has left around 450KB of main memory, plus extended memory (our machines have at least 6MB total memory). The main memory consumer is, unfortunately, NETX.EXE, which is indispensable for accessing the fileserver. This is proving to be insufficent for PC-Pine, which does start up but bombs shortly afterward due to lack of memory, after attempting to do anything more complicated than just staring at the main menu. Is there any way to set up PC-Pine to reduce its memory requirements ? Perhaps a "swap mode" or something like that ? Thanks for any insights. -- Juan M. Courcoul courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey courcoul@vmtecqro.qro.itesm.mx Campus Queretaro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 00:51:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04682; Fri, 16 Dec 94 00:51:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24243; Fri, 16 Dec 94 00:48:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24237; Fri, 16 Dec 94 00:48:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIY0s-00000IC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 00:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dattier@MCS.COM (David W. Tamkin) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: 16 Dec 1994 00:41:27 -0600 Message-Id: <3crcqn$fl9@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> <3cr5sm$6sc@news.cs.tulane.edu> Status: O X-Status: jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) wrote in <3cr5sm$6sc@news.cs.tulane.edu>: | I would *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE* | to get procmail, but the powers that be don't want it. Go figure. Can't you install it somewhere under your own $HOME and use it? That's always worked for me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 03:32:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08454; Fri, 16 Dec 94 03:32:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29566; Fri, 16 Dec 94 03:17:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29560; Fri, 16 Dec 94 03:17:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIaNr-00000LC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 02:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Filtering Mail FAQ Date: 16 Dec 1994 10:00:09 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Archive-name: mail/filtering-faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 17 November 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | | / \ | FILTERING MAIL FAQ | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders 2.0 Procmail ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail ... 2.5 Procmail References 3.0 Filter ... 3.1 Setting up Filter ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 3.3 Filter References 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article Q: How can I have my incoming mail messages automatically put into an appropriate folder? This is one of the most frequently asked questions about email. This article is the first release of an FAQ that addresses this question. This version gives basic instructions for how to set up either procmail or Elm's filter to filter incoming mailing list messages. Future versions of this FAQ will include instructions for doing other things like automatically replying to certain messages. If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the Elm and filter developers recommend procmail over filter. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the author. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: David L. Miller Cookie Monster Jim Showalter David W. Tamkin Rick Troxel Stephen R. van den Berg Syd Weinstein Special thanks to: Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol mailer Mail user agent (MUA) such as Pine or Elm pico PIne COmposer - friendly editor that's part of the Pine package RFC Internet "Request For Comments" document URL Uniform Resource Locator (specified in RFC1630) ^x Press the Ctrl key and then, while holding down the Ctrl key, press the x key ~ Your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, such as the Bourne shell (sh), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to some manual pages This, and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers, can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split an article that is in digest format by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed together) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/mail/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/mail/faq.split. (Replace ~/mail with your folder directory.) pine -if faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders For my incoming mail folders I use names that start with ``IN''. For example, I put mail sent to the procmail mailing list into a folder named IN.procmail. I do this so that when all my folders are listed alphabetically the incoming folders are together and near the top. They are near the top because Unix is case sensitive and upper case letters come before lower case letters in an ascii sort. Of course, you can use any names you like for your mail folders. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Procmail Procmail is a powerful mail processor that can be used to process your mail messages either as they arrive or after they are in a mail folder. This version of the FAQ describes the basics of setting up procmail to filter incoming mailing list messages. To find out how to process existing mail folders see the NOTES section of the procmail(1) man page. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail 1] Find out if procmail is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using csh type: which procmail Or if you are using sh or ksh type: type procmail If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``whereis'' and ``where''. If your system doesn't have procmail ask your system administrator to install it. If your sys admin isn't able to do this, use a different mail processor like deliver, mailagent, or filter (described in part 2 of this FAQ). 2a] Create ~/.procmailrc. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd pico .procmailrc 2b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.procmailrc. Note that lines that begin with # are comments and are ignored by procmail. #Set on when debugging VERBOSE=off #Replace ``mail'' with your mail directory (Pine uses mail, Elm uses Mail) MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders 3] Create the directory where you will store your procmail log and rc files (this is $PMDIR that you set above). cd mkdir .procmail 4a] Create an rc (run commands) file for testing: cd cd .procmail pico rc.test 4b] Enter the following in ~/.procmail/rc.test: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing Note that the first line contains a zero (0), not the letter "oh". For now, don't worry about the meaning of this recipe. It is explained in the subject "Explanation of Test Recipe" below. 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #nancym" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include all the quotes, both double (") and single ('). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for procmail (see step 1). * Replace ``nancym'' with your userid. You need to put your userid in your .forward so that it will be different than any other .forward file on your system. * Do NOT use environment variables, like $HOME, in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file: If procmail resides below your home directory write out the *full* path. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your $LOGFILE (~/.procmail/log) to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these three files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.procmailrc ~/.procmail/rc.test * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.procmailrc so that it contains: VERBOSE=on And repeat steps 6 and 7. If you are still having problems see the subject "Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail" below. 8a] Once you have successfully tested procmail in steps 6 and 7, create rc.folders for filtering incoming messages into mail folders. cd cd .procmail pico rc.folders 8b] Enter a modified version of the following in ~/.procmail/rc.folders :0: * ^TOwww-talk IN.www-talk :0: * ^TOprocmail IN.procmail The first recipe filters the www-talk mailing list and the second recipe filters the procmail mailing lists The meaning of the first recipe is as follows: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^TO Match ``To:'' ``Cc:'' or other synonyms for To at the beginning of a line, followed by any or no characters, followed by.... www-talk ``www-talk'' IN.www-talk If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.www-talk Create a recipe for each of your mailing lists. Make sure that you use ``^TO'' with no space between the caret (^) and the word ``TO'', and that both letters are capitalized -- if you don't it won't work. Note that ^TO is not a normal regular expression. It is a special procmail expression that is designed to catch any destination specification. See the MISCELLANEOUS section of the procmailrc(5) man page for details. For examples, see procmailex(5) man page. 9] Repeat steps 6 and 7 to make sure that things are still working. 10] Comment out the rc.test line in you .procmailrc file so that it looks like this: VERBOSE=off MAILDIR=$HOME/mail PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log # INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders Note that it's useful to leave the rc.test line there for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail There is a useful script, which is part of the procmail package, for checking your procmail log file called mailstat. Check to see if it is on your system by typing either ``which mailstat'' or ``type mailstat''. If it's on your system type: mailstat $HOME/.procmail/log This displays a concise version of your log file and moves your log file to log.old. You may want to put the above line in your .login so that each time you log in you will see a listing of how many messages you've received since the last time you ran mailstat, and what folders these messages were delivered to. You can get a mailstat listing of log.old by using the -o flag: mailstat -o $HOME/.procmail/log If mailstat is not on your system ask your system administrator to install it. It is located with all the other procmail tools at: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe The recipe we used for testing is: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing The meaning of this recipe is: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match the beginning of a line followed by.... Subject: ``Subject:'' followed by.... . a space followed by any character (.) followed by.... * 0 or more of preceding character (any character in this case) followed by.... test ``test'' IN.testing If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:40 GMT From: "Stephen R. van den Berg" Subject: ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail If the .forward template in 5b above doesn't work the following alternatives might be helpful: In a perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In an almost perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In another world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In a different world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In a smrsh world: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" These formats can be tried in different combinations, the leading "| can be tried as |" instead, or vice versa. Some systems do not need a .forward file (i.e., having a .procmailrc file suffices if procmail already is the local delivery agent). ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.5 Procmail References Manuals: procmail(1) - autonomous mail processor procmailrc(5) - procmail rc file procmailex(5) - procmail rc file examples procmailsc(5) - procmail weighted scoring techique egrep(1) - search file for regular expression (procmail uses egrep-style regular exprssions along with some of its own expressions like ^TO) formail(1) - mail reformatter sendmail(8) - send mail over the internet Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc Mailing List: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subscribe to the procmail mailing list by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: subscribe Procmail Archives: Get a list of files available at the procmail mail server by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive ls Get Best of the Procmail mailing list by sending mail (you'll need gzip and a MIME-decoder to unpack it): To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive get best_of_procmail_list* ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Filter Filter is part of the Elm package of tools. Note that you can use filter to filter your incoming mail even if you are not using Elm to read your mail. IMPORTANT NOTE ============== If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and Filter recommend procmail over filter. IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.1 Setting up Filter Followup-To: comp.mail.elm 1] Find out if filter is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using the C shell (csh) type: which filter Or, if you are using the Korn shell (ksh) or the Bourne shell (sh) type: type filter If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``where'' and ``whereis''. If your system doesn't have filter ask your system administrator to install it; or even better ask her to install procmail. 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd 3a] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 3b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Berkeley Mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). 4] To see what the filter rule will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include the quotes ("). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1). * Replace /j/nancym with your home directory (see step 2). * Do NOT expect environment variables, like $HOME, to work in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward is world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your ~/.elm/filter-errors to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these two files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.elm/filter-rules * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.forward so that filter will be verbose with it's output (use the -vo flag). "|/usr/local/bin/filter -vo /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" And repeat steps 6 and 7. After you get filter to work you will probably want to change the ``-vo'' flag back to ``-o''. 8] After you have successfully tested filter in steps 6 and 7, edit ~/.elm/filter-rules so that it contains a modified version of the following: # if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-talk" if (to contains "hopos-l") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.hopos" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path and /Mail with the name of your mail directory. Replace the mailing list string (e.g., "www-talk") and the name of the mail folder (e.g., IN.www-talk) with text for your mailing lists. Note that ``to contains...'' means either the To or Cc header contains... Rather than deleting the test line, it's useful to just turn it into a comment (by preceding it with #) so that you can easily use it for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.elm You can get a short summary of filter's activity by typing: filter -s For a longer summary type: filter -S Or you can look at the log file itself, ~/.elm/filterlog. You should regularly look at ~/.elm/filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space. To get a summary of the filter log and clear it type: filter -cs ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.3 Filter References Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: filter(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders To read an incoming mail folder use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders). For more information see documentation for your mailer or newsreader. Here are some pointers. PINE ==== FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Manual: pine(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine (linked to Pine mailing list) Mailing List: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (linked to Pine newsgroup) Subscribe to the pine-info mailing list by sending mail to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu With... subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. ELM === Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm Emacs Mail Mode =============== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html MH == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html Manual: mh(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh MAIL ==== Manual: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc NN == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn (Does anyone know if nn uses lock files? Is there any problem using nn to read a mail folder that is receiving mail? Please let me know!) (Also, please let me know what other newsreaders can read mail folders?) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com Between official releases of this FAQ the plain text (ascii) version of the most up to date version of it is at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail_faq End of Filtering Mail Digest **************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 08:06:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14725; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:06:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29952; Fri, 16 Dec 94 07:59:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from calafia.uabcs.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29946; Fri, 16 Dec 94 07:59:01 -0800 Received: by calafia.uabcs.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16060; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:02:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:02:30 -0600 (CST) From: Thomas Hucke Subject: Re: PC Pine 3.91 memory requirements To: "Juan M. Courcoul" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Juan, why don't you use memeory manager like QEMM or 386MAX to load some drivers into the upper memory region ? And VSHIELD also use expanded or extended memory. Saludos. Thomas Hucke Universidad Autonoma de Baja California Sur Mexico hucke@calafia.uabcs.mx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 08:07:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14785; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:07:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03530; Fri, 16 Dec 94 07:58:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from osf1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03524; Fri, 16 Dec 94 07:58:44 -0800 Received: by osf1.gmu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv1) id AA02001; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:58:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:58:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry H. Lake" Reply-To: slake@gmu.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: More on Printing problem with pine 3.91 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I am including a message from one of our pine users about a printing problem. He is not the only one that has been having trouble. One "try" I received from this list awhile back is to set "preserve-start-stop-characters". He tried this and it did not work. We are using pine 3.91 on osf/1 V 3.0. We have no problem printing from pine 3.89 on a DEC Ultrix 4.3A. ---- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Venturini To: slake@gmu.edu Subject: Re: Printing with pine on osf1 I followed your advise but to no avail. I tried printing the same message, app 4000 byte but only one page printed. The only difference this time is that the two small smiley faces followed by the number six were no longer in the upper left hand corner. I am using Crosstalk as my communication package, running under windows. Both printer settings, in windows and in crosstalk are set properly. I am set for Zmodem VT100 8N1. As my computer is a notebook I can stop by next week if you think that might make diagnosing the problem any easier. Thanks for your help. An idea ---would my modum speed have any effect? It is a 14.4 with compression softrare that allows it to go up to 56 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 08:19:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15133; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:19:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00406; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:14:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00400; Fri, 16 Dec 94 08:14:40 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA11967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:14:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 11:14:15 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bug in setting news-collection Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Setup Configure move to news-collections Add any value Change value to "" (two quote marks) Delete value-- FAILS You don't get the system defaults because "" is considered to be a value meaning no news-collection (of course this is useful if you don't want to read news with pine). Some users here actually did this, intending to eliminate an alternative setting they'd tried. Workaround is to Change "" to anything and then Delete value. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 09:12:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17947; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:12:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05284; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:08:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05278; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:08:14 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24507; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:08:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David W Vaklyes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: READONLY INBOX Problem In-Reply-To: <3cpj5n$ms9@portal.gmu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dave, I'll resist asking "What changed six days ago?"... :) The symptoms suggest that Pine is not recognizing the folder as a legitimate mailbox, so it's opening it as an arbitrary file. Take a careful look at the mailboxes (especially the first "From " message separator, if you're using Bky mail format) and compare with a folder than Pine can successfully open. Also look for an extraneous newline at the beginning, or for a null anywhere in the folder. (For example, is it possible a bogus message with a null in it was delivered six days ago to everyone having the problem?) Please let us know what you discover. -teg On 15 Dec 1994, David W Vaklyes wrote: > Six days ago pine started acting strangely on the machine at my work > (SGI Indy, IRIX 5.2, Pine 3.90 them, 3.91 now) > > Whenever anyone starts pine, the INBOX is opened READONLY, and only one > message is listed, titled /usr/mail/juser, which when opened contains > all the current messages. > > The documentation suggests that it is a problem with the locking mechanism. > I looked in /tmp (and /usr/tmp) for lock files of the form > ./usr/mail/juser - but there are no files of this type. > > No other copies of pine are running on the system, and I do not know of > any system changes made that day (although something apparently was > changed) > > My users are being forced to use "Mail" and they are not happy. What am > I missing? HELP! > > Thanks, > > Dave Vaklyes > dvaklyes@sysplan.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 09:23:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18373; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:23:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01969; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:18:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01963; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:18:03 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24725; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:17:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: slake@gmu.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: More on Printing problem with pine 3.91 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Sherry, Can you verify that OSF/1 is configured to enable software flow control by default? If not, setting "preserve-start-stop-characters" won't help... (until version 3.92 when Pine will try to tell the OS to honor them in any case.) If my hypothesis (that OSF/1 --at least at your site-- doesn't enable s/w flow control by default) then I suspect that 3.91 (with "preserve..." set) would work fine on Ultrix, and 3.89 would fail the same way on OSF. Let us know what you discover... -teg On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Sherry H. Lake wrote: > I am including a message from one of our pine users about a printing > problem. He is not the only one that has been having trouble. One > "try" I received from this list awhile back is to set > "preserve-start-stop-characters". He tried this and it did not work. > > We are using pine 3.91 on osf/1 V 3.0. We have no problem printing from pine > 3.89 on a DEC Ultrix 4.3A. > > ---- > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Peter Venturini > To: slake@gmu.edu > Subject: Re: Printing with pine on osf1 > > I followed your advise but to no avail. I tried printing the same > message, app 4000 byte but only one page printed. > The only difference this time is that the two small smiley faces followed by > the number six were no longer in the upper left hand corner. > > I am using Crosstalk as my communication package, running under windows. > Both printer settings, in windows and in crosstalk are set properly. > I am set for Zmodem VT100 8N1. > > As my computer is a notebook I can stop by next week if you think that > might make diagnosing the problem any easier. > > Thanks for your help. > > An idea ---would my modum speed have any effect? > It is a 14.4 with compression softrare that allows it to go up to 56 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 09:26:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18488; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:26:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02076; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:22:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02070; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:22:54 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25052; Fri, 16 Dec 94 09:22:44 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bug in setting news-collection In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Our documentation is broken on this point... In order to *turn off* a system-wide default (e.g. nntp-server, or news-collection, or default-fcc), you need to specify the "empty value" or "null string" in your personal pinerc. If you are editing the .pinerc directly, this is done using the pair of double quotes to denote a null string. To do this via the setup/config screen: first delete any value currently set, then press ADD, immediately followed by RETURN. It should say you've gotten the empty value. (We know: Either the docs or the U.I. needs some help here.) -teg On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > Setup > Configure > move to news-collections > Add any value > Change value to "" (two quote marks) > Delete value-- FAILS > > You don't get the system defaults because "" is considered to be a > value meaning no news-collection (of course this is useful if you > don't want to read news with pine). > > Some users here actually did this, intending to eliminate an > alternative setting they'd tried. > > Workaround is to Change "" to anything and then Delete value. > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 10:52:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22239; Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:52:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03898; Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:47:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from calafia.uabcs.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03892; Fri, 16 Dec 94 10:47:46 -0800 Received: by calafia.uabcs.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09168; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:51:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:51:36 -0600 (CST) From: Thomas Hucke Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: set pine-info nomail From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 13:34:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29984; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:34:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07285; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:29:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07278; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:29:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11433; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:29:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 06:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jack Gostl To: Pine Developers Subject: pgp 2.6.2 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:29:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I am looking for advice on the best way to use pgp2.6.2 with pine 3.91. Thanks. Jack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 13:53:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00936; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:53:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07844; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:50:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07838; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:50:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIkFS-00000bC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: Re: .signature files Date: 16 Dec 1994 07:59:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9412161407.AA09101@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) write: |> On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: |> |> > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who |> > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. |> |> When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to |> have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) |> Typical of languages like English who oblige to put a pronoun subject before the verb, in order to tell it is 3rd person (he/she/it took). This misunderstanding could be easily avoided in Latin origin languages where the 3rd person of a verbal form has its own ending, and one does not need the subject ("took" would be enough in such case) :-) :-) :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 14:07:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01560; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:07:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11362; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:03:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11356; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:03:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIkNY-00000ZC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ming@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Ming-Si Chen) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: 16 Dec 1994 13:59:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3cso1n$eo5@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk (Barry Cornelius) writes: >> Could I configure Pine so that when I am reading my mail and have the full >> header mode off, I could display more than the four default headers (Date, >> From, To, and Subject)? Thanks for any help. >Here is an extract from a document I wrote: >: 6. Configuring Pine using the "Config Screen" >: >: In previous versions of Pine, you had to alter the .pinerc file if you >: wanted to configure Pine. In Pine 3.90, you can configure Pine by >: going to the Setup Configuration Screen (which is called the "Config >: Screen" in this document). To find this screen, go to the Main Menu, >: press S followed by C. >: How would you define your own headers in PINE 3.05? Which varibles in the .pinerc do you have to edit? Thanks --MING From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 14:31:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02848; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:31:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11884; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:26:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11878; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:26:32 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13103; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:26:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:22:35 -0700 (MST) From: Maestas Lucila Reply-To: Maestas Lucila Subject: mime To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:26:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I would like more information on how to get a graphic into attchmnt so I could send it to someone. *************************** Lucila Maestas y Contreras Maestas@bvsd.k12.co.us ************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 14:51:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03901; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:51:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09165; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:48:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09159; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:48:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIl81-00000ZC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Pipe Output: I don't want to be in the viewer! Date: 16 Dec 1994 19:06:03 GMT Message-Id: <3csoer$3be@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In Pine, is it possible to pipe a message to a program and have the output displayed normally, i.e., not in the viewer. E.g., how would I get ``|cat'' to just cat the message, i.e., display the whole message, scrolling off the screen if necessary? Thanks much, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 15:07:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04556; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:07:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12707; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:03:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12701; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:03:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIlKb-00000nC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert Perlberg Subject: Why no uudecode in Pine? Message-Id: Date: 15 Dec 94 11:55:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've read in this group that Pine cannot do uuencode/decode for "good reasons". What are those reasons? (If this question is answered by some existing document, please point me to it.) I have no problem with doing uuencode/decode by hand, but most of the other users at my site avoid Unix commands like the plague and are very dependent on user friendly programs like Pine. However, they communicate with users at other sites who don't have the ability to send or receive MIME attachments, so they have to send and receive binary files via uuencode. It would make life much easier for them if they could decode the messages without having to use shell commands (which they are forever asking me to repeat). Robert Perlberg Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- perl%dwrsun4@philabs.com -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 15:07:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04591; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:07:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09474; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:03:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09468; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:03:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIlKD-00000mC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 14:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert Perlberg Subject: Can Pine not open the INBOX? Message-Id: Date: 15 Dec 94 11:49:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I like to use Pine as a news reader in an xterm. I also want to use mailtool as my mail reader. If I receive mail while I am reading news in Pine, I want to be able to open mailtool, read my mail, and close mailtool, without losing my current newsgroup context in Pine. I can't do this, however, because if I use mailtool while Pine is running, Pine will keep complaining about the INBOX having been changed by another program. Is there a way of invoking Pine so that it ignores the INBOX and lets another program act as the mail program? Alternatively, is there a way, while reading news in Pine, to switch to reading mail, then switch back to reading news without losing the current newsgroup context (newsgroup, sort order, current article)? Robert Perlberg Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- perl%dwrsun4@philabs.com -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 16:26:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08020; Fri, 16 Dec 94 16:26:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14348; Fri, 16 Dec 94 16:18:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14342; Fri, 16 Dec 94 16:18:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rImVs-00000ZC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 15:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmgall@admin.presby.edu (Morris Galloway) Subject: Re: PINE for DG-UX? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:59:49 GMT References: <3bovpv$p7c@thepoint.com> Status: O X-Status: >dstaley@amanda.dorsai.org (Dennis Staley) writes: > >:Greetings; >: Can anyone tell me the version of pine that has been ported to >:Data General? Also, is there a special version of pico (etc) that we >:also have to use? If you can also tell us where to ftp the proper files >:from it would be much appreciated. >:Thank you in advance > We are running both Pine and Pico on DG/UX 5.4R3.10 with no difficulty. We got the sources from the main Pine site. If you have trouble getting them to compile, drop me a note. Morris Galloway Jr. Internet: mmgall@presby.edu Dean, Administrative Services Phone: 1-803-833-8217 Presbyterian College 503 S. Broad St. Clinton, SC 29325 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 17:51:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11631; Fri, 16 Dec 94 17:51:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13099; Fri, 16 Dec 94 17:48:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13093; Fri, 16 Dec 94 17:48:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rInvl-00000aC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 17:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Procmail, Pine and ``[ No Message Text Available ]'' Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:12:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I use procmail to filter mailing lists and pine as my mailer. I also put my mailing list folders in my anonymous ftp space, ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/folders. Periodically a stored message will get trashed and Pine's index will present a line like this: 57 [ No Message Text Available ] My questions are: * Does this happen to anyone else? * Does anyone know why this is happening - is it because my folders are publically available or is it a general problem with Pine and Procmail? * And finally, how can I prevent this from happening? I use a lock file with all my mailing list recipes (i.e., they start with ``:0:''). Thanks for any help, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 18:54:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13147; Fri, 16 Dec 94 18:54:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17121; Fri, 16 Dec 94 18:51:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17115; Fri, 16 Dec 94 18:51:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIout-00000sC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 18:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Frank Gallant Subject: Help! Problem with pine.conf file Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have just set up pine for an OSF1 system. Most of it is working fine EXCEPT: I want the users on the system to report bugs directly to me instead of the standard bug address. I've changed the bug-fullname and the bug-address in pine.conf file, but it never sees it. The pine-degug file still shows the original address being read. Where should i change this information? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Happy Computing Frank From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 19:40:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14007; Fri, 16 Dec 94 19:40:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17716; Fri, 16 Dec 94 19:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17710; Fri, 16 Dec 94 19:37:54 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:36:32 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 11:36:31 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lucio Chiappetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature files In-Reply-To: <9412161407.AA09101@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 16 Dec 1994, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > In article , egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com (Ed Greshko) write: > |> On 10 Dec 1994, Lori Fox wrote: > |> > |> > instructions, preferably in little baby steps suitable for someone who > |> > punched data cards when she took a college course involving computers. > |> > |> When "she took a college course"? Does that mean you want to > |> have the respondents limited to female college graduates? :-) :-) > |> > > Typical of languages like English who oblige to put a pronoun > subject before the verb, in order to tell it is 3rd person > (he/she/it took). This misunderstanding could be easily avoided > in Latin origin languages where the 3rd person of a verbal form has > its own ending, and one does not need the subject ("took" would be > enough in such case) :-) :-) :-) Or, as I pointed out in a later post, had I turned my brain on that evening...there would have been misunderstanding. :-) :-) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 21:00:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15462; Fri, 16 Dec 94 21:00:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15357; Fri, 16 Dec 94 20:57:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15345; Fri, 16 Dec 94 20:57:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIqqW-000012C; Fri, 16 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ralph.Birks@lambada.oit.unc.edu (ralph birks) Subject: open nntp server Date: 16 Dec 1994 23:34:39 GMT Message-Id: <3ct86f$13nc@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Status: O X-Status: Could someone please send me the address of an open nntp server with the alt.binaries news groups that I can put into pine. Dont post to the news group but email me the info at ralphb@bom.gov.au thanks Ralph -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 22:10:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16644; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:10:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19493; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:07:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19487; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:07:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIrxB-00000tC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 21:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs4.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: 17 Dec 1994 00:27:57 GMT Message-Id: <3ctbad$gg7@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> <3cr5sm$6sc@news.cs.tulane.edu> <3crcqn$fl9@Mars.mcs.com> Status: O X-Status: David W. Tamkin wrote: : jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) wrote in : <3cr5sm$6sc@news.cs.tulane.edu>: : | I would *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE* : | to get procmail, but the powers that be don't want it. Go figure. : Can't you install it somewhere under your own $HOME and use it? That's : always worked for me. Okay, I'm trying, but there is a lot to change in the way of paths and directories. Where do I start? I am looking at all of the instructions as I type (well, before and after anyway) ;-) -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ --- In some places it's known as a tornado. In others, a cyclone. And in --- still others, the Idiot's Merry-go-round. But around here they'll --- always be known as screw-boys. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 22:14:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16722; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:14:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16220; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:12:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16214; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:12:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIs4J-000012C; Fri, 16 Dec 94 21:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bmeyers@cobra.ordata.com (Bob A. Meyers) Subject: Pine on SCO Message-Id: <1994Dec17.052110.24957@cobra.ordata.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 05:21:10 GMT Status: O X-Status: I've been trying to get pine3.91 to compile on plain SCO Unix v4.2 with no luck, can't even get past os-dep.h stuff. Header files don't exist, on and on. HAs anyone out there got this to compile OK on SCO? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 22:25:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16935; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:25:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19656; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:22:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19650; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:22:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIsCY-000013C; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pilgrim@xmission.com (Papa Pilgrim) Subject: Newbie Seeks Help PINE 3.90 MAC Date: 16 Dec 1994 17:54:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3ctcra$c04@xmission.xmission.com> Status: O X-Status: I will try to explain this the be I can but I may not have the correct terminology. Please bear with me. When I open any of the folders I have the same problem. First, at the bottom the commands menu will only give me one line of commands, no matter what I do--only one line. I do not have all the commands memorized so ... Next: same with all folder. The list of messages in the folders is duplicating itself. In other words, if I select or highlight say #6, then I have two #6s listed. This gets *very* confusing as I scroll up and down the messages. Both of these problems surfaced at the same time and both started about 3 weeks ago. I'm running a MAC LC with 10 megs of RAM and PINE 3.90. I hope this is not just a case of too many buttons and not enough brains. Respond by e-mail please. TIA -- papa pilgrim "Nite Roots" Voice: 801-355-1405 reggae ambassadors worldwide KRCL 90.9FM Fax: 801-355-1405 pilgrim@xmission Salt Lake City, UT "FORWARD THE REGGAE VIBE...EVERYTIME!*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 22:25:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16966; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:25:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16336; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:22:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16330; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:22:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIsEN-000014C; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Pipe Output: I don't want to be in the viewer! Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:57:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3ct61k$2r9@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <3csoer$3be@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3csoer$3be@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: :In Pine, is it possible to pipe a message to a program and have the :output displayed normally, i.e., not in the viewer. E.g., how would :I get ``|cat'' to just cat the message, i.e., display the whole message, :scrolling off the screen if necessary? cat >/dev/tty, of course. Though there is a complication: Pine has adjusted the terminal settings to suit its needs, and those are at odds with the settings you normally use. So while 'cat >/dev/tty' should work, it will look pretty messy. To get things looking nicer, you have to do a bit more work. You have to save the terminal state that Pine uses, then adjust the terminal state to a 'normal' one, then run cat, then set the terminal state back the one Pine needs. And do that all in a subshell. On my system this did the trick: @{stty -g stty.pine; stty `{cat stty.g} >/dev/tty; cat >/dev/tty; stty `{cat stty.pine} >/dev/tty} (Though your stty command might work differently and you probably aren't using the rc shell.) I ran 'stty -g >stty.g' in a (normal) xterm window to generate the 'normal' terminal settings. If you want to do this more than once then you probably want to package all that in a shell script. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 16 22:57:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17444; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:57:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16688; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:54:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from s-cwis.unomaha.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16682; Fri, 16 Dec 94 22:54:36 -0800 Received: by s-cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22775; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 00:54:13 -0600 From: mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael J. Graham) Message-Id: <9412170654.AA22775@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Errors? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 00:54:12 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 336 Status: O X-Status: Hello I trying to install pine onto a bsd unix system. However during the "build" I get this error this is the line before the error, under the heading making pine... /usr/include/studio.h:56 : hrere is the previous declaration of 'f_post' ****Error code 1 Any ideas on how to fix this? -- -Mike mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 00:52:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19590; Sat, 17 Dec 94 00:52:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21357; Sat, 17 Dec 94 00:49:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21351; Sat, 17 Dec 94 00:49:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIuRh-00001AC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 00:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 03:16:00 GMT References: Status: O X-Status: In article , R. Stewart Ellis wrote: =People might want to look at choosenews, a shell script by Scott Yanoff, =published from time to time on alt.sources. People who use csh, that is. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 02:46:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21933; Sat, 17 Dec 94 02:46:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19465; Sat, 17 Dec 94 02:43:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19459; Sat, 17 Dec 94 02:43:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rIwHj-00000tC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 02:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: buchang@CAM.ORG (Gordon H. Buchan) Subject: Re: PC Pine 3.91 memory requirements Date: 16 Dec 1994 22:57:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3ctnj0$lds@ocean.CAM.ORG> References: Status: O X-Status: courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx (Juan M. Courcoul) writes: >Please forgive my insistence on this question, but my users are getting >cranky... :( >I need to set up PC-Pine for shared use on a public directory in a Novell >fileserver. Setting up the mail folders, addressbooks and the like is not >a problem, since all pertinent environment variables can be set up on >either the user or the system login script. Unfortunately, memory usage is >a severe problem. >After loading up the ODI stack, NETX and perhaps a few other goodies (such >as DOSKEY or McAfee's VSHIELD), the typical PC has left around 450KB of >main memory, plus extended memory (our machines have at least 6MB total >memory). The main memory consumer is, unfortunately, NETX.EXE, which is >indispensable for accessing the fileserver. This is proving to be >insufficent for PC-Pine, which does start up but bombs shortly afterward >due to lack of memory, after attempting to do anything more complicated >than just staring at the main menu. >Is there any way to set up PC-Pine to reduce its memory requirements ? >Perhaps a "swap mode" or something like that ? >Thanks for any insights. >-- >Juan M. Courcoul courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx >Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey courcoul@vmtecqro.qro.itesm.mx >Campus Queretaro Load EMSNETX instead of NETX. Use MEMMAKER to optimize memory usage. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 08:54:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28785; Sat, 17 Dec 94 08:54:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27048; Sat, 17 Dec 94 08:49:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ibridge.iohk.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27036; Sat, 17 Dec 94 08:49:12 -0800 Received: from igate.iohk.com (igate.iohk.com [202.21.128.81]) by ibridge.iohk.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA23990 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 00:51:34 +0800 Received: (from arguzman@localhost) by igate.iohk.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA11252; Sun, 18 Dec 1994 00:47:10 +0800 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 00:47:10 +0800 (HKT) From: Angelito de Guzman To: "pine-info.mailserver" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe arguzman@iohk.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 11:15:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01245; Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:15:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28657; Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:09:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28651; Sat, 17 Dec 94 11:09:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJ46i-00000JC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 10:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Re: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? Date: 17 Dec 1994 18:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <3cvb1p$hbj@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: I wrote: : Hi, : I was wondering if I could use a .mailrc alias in PINE, instead of : cluttering up my addressbook with a ton of addresses, mixing personal and : business (yecch!) :) Thanks in advance. -j- Surely *someone must have an idea?! Please? -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ --- People often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause of --- the future. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 12:22:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02341; Sat, 17 Dec 94 12:22:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26130; Sat, 17 Dec 94 12:19:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26124; Sat, 17 Dec 94 12:19:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJ5JB-00000DC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 12:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: helen ruth etters Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:57:40 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3clftt$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3clftt$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: On 14 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > news.announce.newgroups > > Just subscribe to it....and read the periodic faq posted in that group. I've searched and haven't been able to find news.announce.newgroups. Also, there's a group on landscape architecture, but I haven't been able to find that either. Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 20:57:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10224; Sat, 17 Dec 94 20:57:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05318; Sat, 17 Dec 94 20:54:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05312; Sat, 17 Dec 94 20:54:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJDKY-00000LC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: I want a .newsrc with everything Date: 18 Dec 1994 03:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <3d09p5$irv@news.halcyon.com> References: <3bbl6d$665@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: neilh@halcyon.halcyon.com (Neil J. Hoopman) writes: >How can I generate a .newsrc file with every newsgroup >available on Halcyon? Here are 2 different methods to subscribe to all newsgroups that your host gets: USING TRN ========= You do not need to be a TRN user to use this method. This method is easier but can take a *lot* more time than the next method (using nngrep). At the newsgroup selection level type: a . This means add newsgroups matching pattern ``.'', i.e., containing any single character. Then at the [ynYN] prompt type Y to add them all. Question: Does anyone know if there is a way to avoid viewing all the newsgroup names that get added - this can take a *long* time? USING NNGREP ============ You do not need to be an NN user to use this method. cd cd .nn # if you don't have .nn dir don't worry about next line mv LAST LAST.old # LAST keeps track of the last newsgroup nn knows about cd mv .newsrc .newsrc.old nngrep -u | sed -e 's/ *$/:/' > tmp.unsub # See below (*) for explanation pico tmp.unsub # replace pico with your editor; # remove any lines at the top that say ``Connecting...'' # (Halcyon doesn't produce these lines so you don't need # to do this step at Halcyon.) cat .newsrc.old tmp.unsub > .newsrc Next run your newsreader (nn, trn, tin, etc) to be sure that it understands your new .newsrc. If it does: rm tmp.unsub rm .newsrc.old If it doesn't you can get your old .newsrc back with this: mv .newsrc.old .newsrc (*) "nngrep -u" lists all unsubscribed newsgroups and then the sed command appends a ":" to the end of each of these newsgroup names and then ">> .newsrc" appends them to the bottom of your .newsrc. Hope this helps. If anyone knows any other methods of subscribing to all newsgroups, please let me know. Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 17 22:29:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11711; Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:29:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03090; Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:26:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03084; Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:26:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJEj9-00000aC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 22:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lef@wuacn.wustl.edu (Lori Fox) Subject: Does anyone use PCAnywhere ? Date: 18 Dec 1994 06:04:07 GMT Message-Id: <3d0jco$3ie@newsreader.wustl.edu> Status: O X-Status: I use the pine newsreader (because it is what my university uses) and use PCAnywhere to dial in. I know PCAnywhere is hardly the communications software of choice, but my office uses it for other stuff, so I use it to dial in to my Internet account. I have no trouble downloading files from my Internet account to my home computer, but I cannot figure out how to upload files. Is there any good soul out there who has some idea about how to do this ? (I have taken the obvious steps, but it just doesn't seem to work.) Thanks. Lori From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 03:44:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17375; Sun, 18 Dec 94 03:44:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06673; Sun, 18 Dec 94 03:41:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06667; Sun, 18 Dec 94 03:41:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJJcC-00000LC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 03:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zzazeron@acy1.digex.net (Ken Matheson) Subject: PC-PINE config help Date: 18 Dec 1994 06:16:05 -0500 Message-Id: <3d15ll$jrc@acy1.digex.net> Status: O X-Status: i am trying to config pcpine to work with remote folders i am getting folder errors i need to set the nntp and smtp and the inbox folders in etup onfig section but need help on the syntex my nntp server is news1.digex.net and smtp is acy.digex.net also my shell acc is on acy.digex.net and the news server is on digex.net no sure if that matters also i am running winsock and tia with custom from chamelion sampler any help would be a GREAT! ken From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 08:47:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22572; Sun, 18 Dec 94 08:47:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13285; Sun, 18 Dec 94 08:41:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13279; Sun, 18 Dec 94 08:41:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJOHJ-00000QC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 08:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.091911.510@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 09:19:11 CST References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Robert Perlberg wrote: >I've read in this group that Pine cannot do uuencode/decode for "good >reasons". What are those reasons? (If this question is answered by some I'd like to know these reasons also... >existing document, please point me to it.) I have no problem with doing >uuencode/decode by hand, but most of the other users at my site avoid Unix >commands like the plague and are very dependent on user friendly programs >like Pine. However, they communicate with users at other sites who don't >have the ability to send or receive MIME attachments, so they have to send >and receive binary files via uuencode. It would make life much easier for >them if they could decode the messages without having to use shell >commands (which they are forever asking me to repeat). > I sent Robert Perlberg a couple of scripts that do the trick. If anyone else wants them, e-mail me. An aside: Why doesn't MIME retain file permissions like tar, compress, uuencode? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 10:23:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24185; Sun, 18 Dec 94 10:23:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11199; Sun, 18 Dec 94 10:19:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11193; Sun, 18 Dec 94 10:19:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJPqg-00000DC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 09:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lef@wuacn.wustl.edu (Lori Fox) Subject: Unix manual ? Date: 18 Dec 1994 17:56:34 GMT Message-Id: <3d1t4j$e1c@newsreader.wustl.edu> Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to print out the entire on-line manual. I know that the answers to many of my questions about our system should be in the manual and that I *ought* to be able to get them by typing "man [confusing term], but I often can't locate anything or find what I do locate hopelessly confusing. I think I might do better if I had a hard copy of the whole thing available. Can it be done ? Thanks (and thanks to all of you who respond to the question of us newbies). Lori From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 11:49:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25658; Sun, 18 Dec 94 11:49:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12183; Sun, 18 Dec 94 11:46:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12177; Sun, 18 Dec 94 11:46:26 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23383; Sun, 18 Dec 94 11:45:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 11:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? In-Reply-To: <1994Dec18.091911.510@titan.sfasu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Pine does not have integral uuencode/uudecode support because: o In Pine it is already possible to *decode* uuencoded messages in 4 keystrokes, using pipe. (Hint: make "ud" a link to uudecode.) o The alt-editor feature may be used in combination with scripts to obviate the need for suspending Pine to *encode* a message. (I presume that's what your script does.) o With the advent of CMU's mpack/munpack software, which functions just like uuencode but handles MIME as well, there is no excuse for not having MIME capability at a site, even if it isn't yet builtin to the available mailers. o There are apparently several slightly incompatible variants of uuencode. o MIME supersedes and obsoletes uuencode. o In view of the above, for the people who pay the bills for Pine development, adding integral uuencode support is an extraordinarily low priority. -teg On 18 Dec 1994, J. Kelly Cunningham wrote: > In article , > Robert Perlberg wrote: > >I've read in this group that Pine cannot do uuencode/decode for "good > >reasons". What are those reasons? (If this question is answered by some > > I'd like to know these reasons also... > > >existing document, please point me to it.) I have no problem with doing > >uuencode/decode by hand, but most of the other users at my site avoid Unix > >commands like the plague and are very dependent on user friendly programs > >like Pine. However, they communicate with users at other sites who don't > >have the ability to send or receive MIME attachments, so they have to send > >and receive binary files via uuencode. It would make life much easier for > >them if they could decode the messages without having to use shell > >commands (which they are forever asking me to repeat). > > > > I sent Robert Perlberg a couple of scripts that do the trick. If anyone > else wants them, e-mail me. > > > An aside: Why doesn't MIME retain file permissions like tar, > compress, uuencode? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 15:09:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29367; Sun, 18 Dec 94 15:09:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17686; Sun, 18 Dec 94 15:06:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17680; Sun, 18 Dec 94 15:06:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJUJK-00000DC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 14:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael J. Graham) Subject: ErrorCode1? Date: 18 Dec 1994 22:28:28 GMT Message-Id: <3d2d2c$10h@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hello I'm trying to compile pine on a bsdi unix system. After I type build bsi I'm getting an error Code 1 while it is making pico, then since pico isn't there, when it is making pine I also am getting an ErrorCode 1 (I think this is because pico wasn't made) Any idea on how to solve the problem, or just how to compile it without pico (since there is already a copy of pico on the system....) any help is appreciated -- -Mike mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 22:33:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08109; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:33:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19517; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:10:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19511; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:10:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJavl-00000EC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tim Langenkamp Subject: Adding header lines... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 23:36:39 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know how to add lines to the headers in PINE 3.91? -Tim ------------------------------------ Tim Langenkamp, 1L University of Houston Law Center tcl@uh.edu ------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 18 22:42:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08275; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:42:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22636; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:19:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22630; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:19:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJb8v-00000OC; Sun, 18 Dec 94 22:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjgraham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Graham) Subject: Re: ErrorCode1? Date: 18 Dec 1994 22:51:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3d370r$kq3@nyx.cs.du.edu> References: <3d2d2c$10h@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> Status: O X-Status: Michael J. Graham (mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote: : Hello : I'm trying to compile pine on a bsdi unix system. After I type : build bsi I'm getting an error Code 1 while it is making pico, then : since pico isn't there, when it is making pine I also am getting an : ErrorCode 1 (I think this is because pico wasn't made) Any idea on : how to solve the problem, or just how to compile it without pico : (since there is already a copy of pico on the system....) : any help is appreciated : -- : -Mike : mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 00:39:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10114; Mon, 19 Dec 94 00:39:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24205; Mon, 19 Dec 94 00:36:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24199; Mon, 19 Dec 94 00:36:30 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 19 Dec 94 16:35:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:35:06 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Tim Langenkamp Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Adding header lines... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Tim Langenkamp wrote: > Does anyone know how to add lines to the headers in PINE 3.91? In a few easy steps.... 1. Go to the Main Menu. 2. Go to the Setup selection. 3. Go to the Config. menu. 4. Find the customized-hdrs = line..... 5. Add..... I think you get the idea.... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 03:53:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14328; Mon, 19 Dec 94 03:53:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23319; Mon, 19 Dec 94 03:39:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23313; Mon, 19 Dec 94 03:39:20 -0800 Received: by pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25548; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:39:27 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:39:27 +0200 (WET) From: Aaron Sittner To: pine-info@washington.edu Subject: no longer needed Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: can anyone tell me how to stop receiving Pine information? I have tried the single word "unsubscribe" twice, but the material still keeps coming. I have also sent a brief note to "majordomo", but to no avail. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 05:15:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16562; Mon, 19 Dec 94 05:15:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27609; Mon, 19 Dec 94 05:02:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27603; Mon, 19 Dec 94 05:02:14 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 19 Dec 94 21:00:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:00:47 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Aaron Sittner Cc: pine-info@washington.edu Subject: Re: no longer needed In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Aaron Sittner wrote: > can anyone tell me how to stop receiving Pine information? > > I have tried the single word "unsubscribe" twice, but the material > still keeps coming. > > I have also sent a brief note to "majordomo", but to no avail. > Well, it seems the list keepers of pine are just as busy as ever.... :-) What I generally do is set up my filtering, procmail in my case, to send "unsubscribed" list mail to /dev/null, until I *really* get unsubscribed. :-) :-) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 07:10:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18852; Mon, 19 Dec 94 07:10:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26115; Mon, 19 Dec 94 07:05:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26108; Mon, 19 Dec 94 07:05:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJjJY-00000CC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 06:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Add NEW newsgroups to .newsrc Date: 19 Dec 94 14:43:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >In article , >R. Stewart Ellis wrote: >=People might want to look at choosenews, a shell script by Scott Yanoff, >=published from time to time on alt.sources. >People who use csh, that is. Last I checked SVR4 would exec a csh for you if it encounters a scrip that starts with: #!/bin/csh -f # ChooseNews II. Version 2.4 By Scott A. Yanoff yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu # (C) 1994 Computing Services Division, Univ. of Wisconsin - Milwaukee even if you are running another shell as your login shell. Xenix would not properly sort out this sort of stuff, but that was a long time ago and I am reasonably certain that all versions of SVR4 and BSD will handle that. I have not experience with Linux, but believe it knows how to handle this as well. Mailed and posted. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 10:18:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27205; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:18:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03119; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:07:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03113; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:07:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJm6v-000006C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 09:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine, and public reply to private e-mail Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:36:04 GMT Message-Id: References: <3d0sgq$mm1@malasada.lava.net> <3d3ih6$8kp@due.unit.no> <1994Dec19.121825.2319@news.media.mit.edu> Status: O X-Status: Ron Newman (rnewman@media.mit.edu) wrote: : In article <3d3ih6$8kp@due.unit.no>, : Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: : >reply" and proceeded to ask him. One keystroke later he'd posted a : >reply to private email. : Hey, that's happened several times recently on : alt.religion.scientology! Someone posts private e-mail, doesn't even : realize they've done it until the writer of the e-mail complains, : blames it on Pine. : What is it about Pine that differs from every other news and mail : program, making this easy to do? It's primarily a mail reader. It's engine internally doesn't make a distinction between news and mail. It treats newsgroups as mail folders with restricted permissions, and so in the mail composition module, it doesn't know where the message it's replying to came from. It notes a "Newsgroups:" header, and figures it's supposed to be posted as well as mailed. Clearly, it needs to be able to make a distinction at the beginning of what sort of message this really is, and handle unexpected header lines with more grace. They're not going to remove the ability to post and mail simultaneously, because sometimes that's a really worthwhile thing to be able to do. Perhaps, if they just stripped off the Newsgroups: header when composing a reply to mail, their engine could remain more or less unchanged. I'm fairly sure the Pine Development Team knows about this problem, and I'd expect the next release to fix it. No release dates are available, and we're not sure if it's going to be 3.92 or 4.0. If I can get in the Beta circle again, I'll try to make sure it gets addressed. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 10:26:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27604; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:26:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00214; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:20:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from s-cwis.unomaha.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00208; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:20:28 -0800 Received: by s-cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12734; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:20:04 -0600 From: mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael J. Graham) Message-Id: <9412191820.AA12734@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Ignore my other posts this is the real one... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:20:04 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 620 Status: O X-Status: Hello Seems like the news feed here is going crazy, I never know when something is going to post..*sigh Anyway here is the exact error I'm getting, this is under making pico osdep.c: In function alt_editor: osdep.c:644: warning: argument #1 passing between incompatible pointer types osdep.c: In function sstrcasecmp: osdep.c:1501: argument 's1' doesn't match function prototype osdep.c:1501: argument 's2' doesn't match function prottype ****Error Code 1 any ideas.... I've tried build clean to clean up then typed build bsi, but still am getting the errors........... -- -Mike mgraham@s-cwis.unomaha.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 10:27:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27625; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:27:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00264; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:22:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nic-nac.CSU.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00258; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:22:34 -0800 Received: (from pete@localhost) by nic-nac.CSU.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA24727; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:21:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Pete Kaplan Subject: To: pine-info@washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: unsub Peter Kaplan Sys Adm Cal. St. Univ. Chanc. Office (310) 985-9424 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 10:59:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29708; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:59:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00887; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:48:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00881; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:48:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJmjs-00000iC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: pgp 2.6.2 Message-Id: <1994Dec19.091928.515@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 94 09:19:28 CST References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Jack Gostl wrote: >I am looking for advice on the best way to use pgp2.6.2 with pine 3.91. >Thanks. > >Jack If you want to replace sendmail, send blank e-mail to slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: pgpsendmail If you don't, use Subject: mkpgp From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 11:08:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00353; Mon, 19 Dec 94 11:08:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04424; Mon, 19 Dec 94 11:03:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04418; Mon, 19 Dec 94 11:03:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJn1M-000006C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine on SCO Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:10:03 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Dec17.052110.24957@cobra.ordata.com> Status: O X-Status: Bob A. Meyers (bmeyers@cobra.ordata.com) wrote: : I've been trying to get pine3.91 to compile on plain SCO Unix v4.2 : with no luck, can't even get past os-dep.h stuff. Header files don't : exist, on and on. HAs anyone out there got this to compile OK on SCO? Sure. You need to have the Developer's Version of TCP/IP. Which implies you need to have TCP/IP at all. The developer's version contains netdb.h and that other header you're missing. If you're going to be compiling much of anything from the Internet, you'll probably want to pick up the Developer's Version of TCP/IP. Note that this is separate from the Developer's System, which contains the compiler tools and such. So for the moment, go to fp.celestial.com and pick up a precompiled binary there. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 14:34:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09269; Mon, 19 Dec 94 14:34:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09006; Mon, 19 Dec 94 14:30:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09000; Mon, 19 Dec 94 14:30:50 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13627; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:30:26 +0500 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:30:26 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: Aaron Sittner Cc: pine-info@washington.edu Subject: Re: no longer needed In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 915 Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Aaron Sittner wrote: > can anyone tell me how to stop receiving Pine information? > > I have tried the single word "unsubscribe" twice, but the material > still keeps coming. > > I have also sent a brief note to "majordomo", but to no avail. Majordomo is a piece of software, not a person, so I'm not surprised you didn't get a reply to your "brief note". Here's how you tell Majordomo to take you off the list: o Address a message to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu o Leave the subject blank o The message text should say: unsubscribe pine-info Do not include anything else in the text, not even a signature. If you are sending the message from an address other than the one where you receive pine-info, add your subscription address like this: unsubscribe pine-info msaaron@mscc.huji.ac.il ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 16:07:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14160; Mon, 19 Dec 94 16:07:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07924; Mon, 19 Dec 94 16:02:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07918; Mon, 19 Dec 94 16:02:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJreP-000006C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 15:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Needed: Windows editor that autowraps Date: 19 Dec 1994 20:39:35 GMT Message-Id: <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have any recommendations for a Windows editor that autowraps, i.e., puts in a carriage return/line feed to keep each line less than approx 75 characters? Ideally it would be smart enought to readjust the lines when they are edited. Something like Pico but that has full mouse, clipboard, etc. capability. Notepad (even with Word Wrap checked) doesn't seem to be very good (but maybe someone knows some tricks for making Notepad do what I want). FYI, I need this to be used as the alternate editor (^_) with PC Pine for Windows. Thanks much, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 20:28:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23122; Mon, 19 Dec 94 20:28:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15379; Mon, 19 Dec 94 20:23:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15373; Mon, 19 Dec 94 20:23:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJvi8-000006C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 19:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@hal10k.com (Top Dog) Subject: Re: Major problem with Pine3.91, can't post! Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 18:40:55 GMT Status: O X-Status: Well I found the problem. It wasn't with pine, but there was a problem on my box. I use a compression library on my Linux box called 'zlibc' which allows me to use compressed data and text file. It seams that pine3.91 doesn't like this library, so the fix is that I have to unlink zlib from libc.so.4 and link libc.so.4 to a standard library. Everything works fine. Thanks to those who responded to my plea. If anyone is having trouble with this type of setup I would be glad to help. Andre Bell -- ______________________________________________________________________ Running Linux v1.1.72 - The best unix since Unix giving power back to the people. Andre Bell From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 19 21:10:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24130; Mon, 19 Dec 94 21:10:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12761; Mon, 19 Dec 94 21:03:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12755; Mon, 19 Dec 94 21:03:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rJwHV-000006C; Mon, 19 Dec 94 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rick Cross Subject: Lists and bcc: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:03:13 -0900 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: According to the faq you are suppose to be able to sent mail to a list by using the Bcc: header and the names in the list will not show up in the recipients mail. This doesn't work for me. What I get is all the names in the list showing up in the recipients mail with the following annotation: Apparently to user@somewhere Apparently to anotheruser@somewhere etc Any help? I'd like to be able to mail to some rather large lists I have without two or three pages of names showing up. Rick Cross rick@northstar.k12.ak.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 03:44:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02866; Tue, 20 Dec 94 03:44:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20961; Tue, 20 Dec 94 03:36:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20955; Tue, 20 Dec 94 03:36:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK2b5-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 03:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: SV4 ?? Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:01:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > In Mark Crispin writes: > >On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > >> Pine developers: why do you put the "sv4" stuff in with the > >> non-ANSI group? Is there some variant of SVR4 that is not > >> ANSI-compatible? > >The answer to this question is "yes"; there are SVR4 systems that do not > >have C compilers which support ANSI prototypes. A port is necessarily > >limited by the worst representative of that port. > Not trying to anger you, Mark, but ANSI C compilers are now in widespread > use on mnay SVR4 systems. Perhaps you could give us a choice? It has nothing to do with being angry. It has everything to do with an attempt to suppress misinformation being distributed as folklore, that subsequently comes back as support issues. Once again, with feeling: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE IMAP TREE IS USED!!! If you think it matters, you are mistaken. Perhaps I should just stop distributing the ANSI side of the IMAP tree, and convert all the ANSI ports to non-ANSI prototypes prior to distribution. Or maybe I should call the two sides of the tree imap/blurdybloop and imap/sarasoop. > >There is absolutely no reason why it should matter whether or not the sv4 > >files are in .../imap/ANSI/c-client or .../imap/non-ANSI/c-client. > Yes, in my case there was. I needed to have -DANSI set, and there were no > sv4 files in .../imap/ANSI/c-client. Which side of the imap/ANSI imap/non-ANSI tree is used has nothing to do with -DANSI. The IMAP toolkit does not define the ANSI symbol. The IMAP toolkit does not use the ANSI symbol. A directory name has no relationship to a C compiler symbol. > Thank you. What do you suggest I do to build sv4 (non-ANSI C) pine with > Unixware and an ANSI C compiler? Send email to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu detailing the error messages which you are getting. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 04:14:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04091; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:14:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18163; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:06:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18157; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:06:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK30Z-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 03:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu Subject: pine for windows? Please! Message-Id: <1994Dec20.015553.3337@muvms6> Date: 20 Dec 94 01:55:53 EDT Status: O X-Status: Greeting and happy holidays to all.... Got a question. The univeristy I access the net through uses PINE for mail processing. I like the interface real well, and would like to use it as a part of my Windows PPP connection. I am currently using Chameleon's default mail client that is included in the sampler, as well as connecting with Chameleon. Will the PC-Pine 3.1 work with the winsock driver that Chameleon uses, and if so, can anyone give me an FTP site where I can get it from. Thanks in advance! ._________________________________________________________________________. | Ken Sellards a.k.a |------------------------------------------------| | Chîçån Vàn Hîls­ng || A cats worst enemy is a closed door. || | KSELLARD@MARSHALL.EDU || My worst enemy is a closed network || | SELLARDS@MUDS01[nomail]||______________________________________________|| | KSELLARD@MUVMS6.MU.WVNET.EDU | Servant of Duchess"ARF!" & Bangs"MEOW?" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 04:55:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05199; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:55:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22141; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:49:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22135; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:49:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK3dR-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) Subject: Pine and rn: Newbie asks. Message-Id: <8A002EC.09620005B9.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 12:28:00 +1000 Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone, I am totally raw in the area of Pine and News. I actually found Pine by accident on our University system (I connect from home via a modem). I need to ask some question. Please, if these are FAQ's, don't flame, simply direct me to the appropriate document. 1. I've noticed threads on reading News with Pine. I assume this is Usenet news...The only readers I have noticed being talked about, however, are nn and tin. The university system here runs rn. How would I be able to read News in this case? I have many other questions, but I'll save them for now. Thanks in advance! <> * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Error 3032 - Recursion error. See error 3032. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 05:17:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05879; Tue, 20 Dec 94 05:17:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19026; Tue, 20 Dec 94 05:11:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19020; Tue, 20 Dec 94 05:11:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK44c-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: saw@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Steve A. Wright) Subject: Word Searches with Pine?? Date: 20 Dec 1994 04:05:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3d6hag$nvv@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to search a full mail-box of e-Mail for key words from the Main Menu?? *NOT* just the Subject lines, but the entire body of the messages of *all* the messages in your mail-box when you first enter Pine?? Like can be done in trn with a newsgroup? ThanX -- ============================================================= \ Steve Wright Internet: steveawr@aol.com AOL: SteveAWr / / Orange, CA saw@kaiwan.com \ ======= >> Not tonight dear. I have a modem. << ========== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 07:01:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08045; Tue, 20 Dec 94 07:01:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23795; Tue, 20 Dec 94 06:51:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23789; Tue, 20 Dec 94 06:51:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK5ct-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 06:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: af@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Andreas Fuchsberger) Subject: using MH style folders Date: 20 Dec 1994 13:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <3d6mgu$4bf@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: -- Andreas -- email: af@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk Information Security Group tel: +44 (0) 1784 443696 Royal Holloway - University of London From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 07:11:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08337; Tue, 20 Dec 94 07:11:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20614; Tue, 20 Dec 94 07:06:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20608; Tue, 20 Dec 94 07:06:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK5q9-00000CC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 06:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: howlep@rcwusr.bp.com (Phil Howle) Subject: Problems with news saved as mail Message-Id: <1994Dec20.090049.1397@rcwusr.bp.com> Date: 20 Dec 94 09:00:49 -0500 Status: O X-Status: I am using xvnews as my news reader (yes, I know I could use pine) and after saving a news article I try and read it using pine. It comes up that the mail file is (READONLY) but it seems that it has added an extra header and does not use the headers in the saved news file. I have tried using mail and this quite happily reads the inbuilt headers. Is there any way to make pine read the saved news files. Many thanks, Phil -- Phil Howle (Security/System Administrator) BP Exploration, Stockley Park, Uxbridge, Middx, UB11 1BP, UK Tel: +44 (181) 750 0094 Fax: +44 (181) 750 0345 This is who's view? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 08:56:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11745; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:56:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26150; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:51:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26144; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:51:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK7V5-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rejones@whale.st.usm.edu (Robert E. Jones) Subject: [Installation] Date: 20 Dec 1994 14:58:54 GMT Message-Id: <3d6rfe$1ld@NNTP.MsState.Edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I am coming in from an NCR 3450 parallel processor with gig and megs trying to get a UseNet feed up. From what I understand, Pine will do this (and many more). So, I am in need of information on how to set this up with NNTP on our SVR4 Unix box. Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks . . . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 09:06:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12648; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:06:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22876; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:01:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22870; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:01:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rK7eA-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s509395@aix1.uottawa.ca (Tahirah Shadforth) Subject: Customizing Pine Date: 20 Dec 1994 14:55:43 GMT Message-Id: <3d6r9f$1vg@csi0.csi.UOttawa.CA> Status: O X-Status: I would like to make my favorite mail program more user-friendly for me (it already is a great program ;). All that I've been able to do is change the YOU HAVE NEW MAIL to a more personalized message. Does anyone out there have any more ideas? What else can I do? -- Tahirah N. Shadforth s509395@aix2.uottawa.ca 515 St-Laurent Boulevard, Suite 339 Ottawa ON K1K 3X5 CANADA GO(SS,O) d++@ -p+ c++ l u+ e++@ m++(*) s n+ h f g- w+ t@ r@ x? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 09:17:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13157; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:17:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23296; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:12:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23290; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:12:57 -0800 Received: (from sbpmtm@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA06285; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:12:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:12:02 -0500 (EST) From: SBPM Tech Mgt Subject: Re: Lists and bcc: To: Rick Cross Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > According to the faq you are suppose to be able to sent mail to a listby > using the Bcc: header and the names in the list will not show up in the > recipients mail. This doesn't work for me. [.....] ~~~~~~Are you completing the "To:" field? This is what I do on my Pine 3.89 and it works. Make a dummy list in your address book with the nickname "dummygood" for instance, using a generic full name such as "All recipients on Santa's list", and your own address. Then compose your msg by typing in "dummygood" in the "To:" field. Access rich headers (^R) to get the "Bcc" header, and type in the actual group distrib listname there. Note that the Bcc will show up in your sent-mail copy, but not in the recipients'. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Mala ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SBPM Tech. Mgt. Phone: 202-994-8637 The George Washington University Fax: 301-365-3666 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 09:42:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14326; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:42:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27357; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:37:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.mhcc.cc.or.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27351; Tue, 20 Dec 94 09:37:41 -0800 Received: by alpha.mhcc.cc.or.us; (5.65/1.1.8.2/28Sep94-0205PM) id AA16334; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:38:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Moore To: pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: How do you setup local news groups to work with Pine. I seem to be able to define a directory area, but I don't seem to be able to do anything else with it. What are the required permissions for the directory, etc. I'm using Pine v3.90 running on a DEC Alpha using OSF/1 v2.0. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Moore Internet: jeff@mhcc.cc.or.us Network Specialist (503) 669-6929 (Voice) Mt Hood Community College (503) 667-7389 (FAX) Gresham, Oregon (Portland area) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 11:55:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19450; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:55:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26615; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:46:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26609; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:46:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKAEl-00000FC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How use nested folders? Date: 20 Dec 1994 17:38:24 GMT Message-Id: <3d74qg$ieh@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: byrgb@millkern.com (Byrg Bonnelycke) writes: >Anyone know how to construct nested folders, >i.e. folders inside folders? Well, you can have virtual nested folders using Pine's select command (;). For example, I keep all non-mailing-list mail that I receive in one folder called Received. Whenever I want to look at everything I've received from namex I type: ; t f namex z To go back to the full list type: ; a To view all mail I got today I type: ; d o ^t z To view all messages that contain wordx in the subject type: ; t s wordx z This is one of the very great features of Pine 3.90 and higher! -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 11:56:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19483; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:56:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00258; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:47:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00252; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:47:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKAEP-00000DC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: pine 3.91a Date: 20 Dec 1994 17:33:39 GMT Message-Id: <3d74hj$iea@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: OK, guys. Holding out on us po' folk? The UofWA seems to be running it, but it isn't available on the 'net. Beta? -- Northwest NEXUS, Inc. takes Internet OUT of the box! info@nwnexus.wa.com, finger info@halcyon.com, or: http://www.halcyon.com / +1 206 455 3505 voice From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 11:56:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19512; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:56:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00250; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:46:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00244; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:46:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKAEL-00000CC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Question about header Date: 20 Dec 1994 17:28:57 GMT Message-Id: <3d748p$i90@news.halcyon.com> References: <3clhmc$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) writes: >What other standard header were you looking for to be displayed? Organization and Newsgroups would be nice. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 12:56:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21611; Tue, 20 Dec 94 12:56:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27855; Tue, 20 Dec 94 12:52:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27849; Tue, 20 Dec 94 12:52:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKBEx-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 12:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bdearden@utk.edu (Boyd Dearden) Subject: PCPine with FTP Inc. Date: 20 Dec 1994 16:39:53 GMT Message-Id: <3d71cp$k78@martha.utk.edu> Status: O X-Status: I am trying to get PCPine running with FTP Inc's TCP/IP and have the following problem. I can not send mail as it returns a error connecting to mail server. I have the complete address to my SMTP Server in Pinerc file. I am using FTP Inc. ver 2.05 so have also set up the TCPIP.INI file in the Pine subdirectory. I can ping, ftp, telnet, etc. with no problems. I just can not send mail from pine. Any help would be appreciated. Boyd Dearden Stat. & Comp. Serv. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 13:07:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22550; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:07:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28225; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:04:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28217; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:04:23 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13086; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:03:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:03:02 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Jay Allen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? In-Reply-To: <3cvb1p$hbj@news.cs.tulane.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You can have more than one address book in pine, one for business and one for personal, say. You can't directly use a mailrc alias. You would need to translate it to an address book entry first. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 17 Dec 1994, Jay Allen wrote: > I wrote: > : Hi, > > : I was wondering if I could use a .mailrc alias in PINE, instead of > : cluttering up my addressbook with a ton of addresses, mixing personal and > : business (yecch!) :) Thanks in advance. -j- > > Surely *someone must have an idea?! Please? > > -j- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > --- People often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause of > --- the future. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 13:41:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23743; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:41:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29005; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28997; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:37:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKBzQ-00000IC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: premia@teleport.com (Daniel Elbaum) Subject: Re: Needed: Windows editor that autowraps Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:41:27 GMT Message-Id: <3d7fgt$3et@desiree.teleport.com> References: <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Nancy McGough wrote: :Does anyone have any recommendations for a Windows editor that autowraps, :i.e., puts in a carriage return/line feed to keep each line less than :approx 75 characters? Ideally it would be smart enought to readjust :the lines when they are edited. Something like Pico but that has full :mouse, clipboard, etc. capability. Notepad (even with Word Wrap checked) :doesn't seem to be very good (but maybe someone knows some tricks for :making Notepad do what I want). Our editor, Codewright, can autowrap as you describe. It's very configurable, fast, and feature-rich. I think list price is $229 now. You can get more info by calling 1-800-547-9902 or +1 503.641.6000 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 13:43:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23800; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:43:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02690; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:37:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02682; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:37:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKByG-00000FC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jon Peck Subject: Attachments: How to? Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:18:20 -500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: As someone else here put it earlier today, I'm fairly new to Pine, like it a lot, and understand it a little. In that context, can someone please (in English!) tell me how to do file transfers via e-mail between me (Pine 3.90, via a PC/modem calling into a Unix-based university computer) and someone who accesses e-mail through either Compu$erve or AOL? I know how to attach a file to my messages. I know how to extract a file from my messages. But this only seems to work when I'm doing it with someone else who is running Pine. What am I missing? I've tried sending an attachment to someone, both as a standard .gif file and as one that has been run through uuencode. In each case, the recipient got my e-mail, but no attached file. Any help would be muchly appreciated. Thanks! Jon Peck Tallahassee, FL jon@legal.firn.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 14:55:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26279; Tue, 20 Dec 94 14:55:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04250; Tue, 20 Dec 94 14:52:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04244; Tue, 20 Dec 94 14:52:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKD6y-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 14:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sharmam@ecf.toronto.edu (SHARMA MUNISH) Subject: forwarding mail Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:20:50 GMT Status: O X-Status: How can a forward mail from account a to account b. If I receive mail at acco unt a then I would like it to forwarded to account b automatically. Any help will be appreciated Thanks, Munish Sharma From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 18:12:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05459; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:12:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04932; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:07:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04926; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:07:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKGBU-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 17:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gene Kinnaly Subject: Setting margins in Pine Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 14:17:58 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Please forgive me if this has been answered countless times before. I'm new to Pine, like it a lot, understand it a little, and hope to understand it a lot more in the *very* near future. I would like to set the margins on the messages I create, but I don't see how to do this in the Setup area. Is it possible to set the margins, and if so, how is it done? Many thanks. Gene Kinnaly (gkin@loc.gov) COLL/ASCD/PSI Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4315 (202) 707-5784 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 18:36:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06048; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:36:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09120; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:32:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09114; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:32:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKGXs-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 18:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rthomas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (W. Ryan Thomas) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Date: 20 Dec 1994 19:58:41 GMT Message-Id: References: <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) wrote: > Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT: > > + The config files have no variables set except the news-collection > + one is "News *[]". > > How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? I'm sorry...but I got in on this thread late. Could someone please post a summary of this thread. I have tried to get pine configured to read my custom .newsrc file (~/.newsrc) and haven't been able to. Thanks, -rt --------------------------------- Ryan Thomas 217/333-7885 - CCSO http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~rthomas/ -Opinions expressed here *do not* necessarily reflect those of CCSO or the University of Illinois.--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 19:30:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07276; Tue, 20 Dec 94 19:30:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06040; Tue, 20 Dec 94 19:28:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06034; Tue, 20 Dec 94 19:28:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKHT0-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 19:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: af@platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Andreas Fuchsberger) Subject: Re: using MH style folders Date: 20 Dec 1994 20:16:58 GMT Message-Id: <3d7e3q$a1l@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <3d6mgu$4bf@sun.rhbnc.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: (*sigh*) Once again: Now that I've discovered how to use pine to read MH style folders, my enjoyment would be greatly enhanced if someone would tell me how to move messages from my INBOX to an MH folder. If anyone is in the know would they care to share it with us (ie. post) or with me (ie email)? Thanks and Seasonal Greeetings, Andreas -- email: af@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk Information Security Group tel: +44 (0) 1784 443696 Royal Holloway - University of London From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 20:22:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08415; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:22:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06696; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:20:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06690; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:20:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKIGJ-00000CC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: 21 Dec 1994 03:22:15 GMT Message-Id: <3d8717$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mz. Nancy McGough with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 20 Dec 1994 17:28:57 GMT: + >What other standard header were you looking for to be displayed? + Organization and Newsgroups would be nice. Yes, from Newsgroups point of view the above two headers would certainly be nicer...but what did the original poster of this thread have in mind? -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 20:23:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08444; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:23:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10524; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:20:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10518; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:20:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKIE1-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: briann@efn.org (Brian Nobles) Subject: Re: Needed: Windows editor that autowraps Message-Id: References: <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:34:32 GMT Status: O X-Status: In <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >Does anyone have any recommendations for a Windows editor that autowraps, >i.e., puts in a carriage return/line feed to keep each line less than >approx 75 characters? Ideally it would be smart enought to readjust >the lines when they are edited. Something like Pico but that has full >mouse, clipboard, etc. capability. Notepad (even with Word Wrap checked) >doesn't seem to be very good (but maybe someone knows some tricks for >making Notepad do what I want). >FYI, I need this to be used as the alternate editor (^_) with PC Pine >for Windows. FWIW I use Editeur. You can have several doc's open at once, in addition to the requirements you have above. I don't know where to ftp to get it though. I got off CompuServe. Shareware cost $20. BTW it's an ASCII editor in case you are worried about that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 20:31:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08703; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:31:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10659; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:28:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10649; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:28:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKIP0-00000AC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Problems with news saved as mail Date: 21 Dec 1994 03:33:33 GMT Message-Id: <3d87md$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Phil Howle with this opinion in the"comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 20 Dec 94 09:00:49 -0500: + I am using xvnews as my news reader (yes, I know I could use pine) and after + saving a news article Itry and read it using pine. It comes up that the mail + file is (READONLY) but it seems that it has added an extra header and does + not use the headers in the saved news file. + Is there any way to make pine read the saved news files. That's weird...it works fine for me... While you are saving an article from xvnews have you by any chance set it to save them with read permission only? (ls -al filename ---> r------- ??) I saved a file from tin, then chmod the file to 400 and then did pine -f file which then gave me (READONLY) access error message. By default it should be read/write able by the owner of the file. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 20:48:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09217; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:48:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10944; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:45:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10938; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:45:18 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14584 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:43:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: Knute Snortum To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Bcc not working? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I read somewhere that if I didn't want a big distribution list to show up on my e-mails to put the distribution in Bcc. This doesn't seem to work; I can see the list anyhow. Anyone else had this problem? Know how to fix it? Am I doing something wrong? --- Knute Snortum Internet: knute@msi.masi.com MAS Inc. Compuserve: 72144,1646 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 20:48:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09223; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:48:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10936; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:45:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10930; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:45:14 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14587 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:43:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Knute Snortum To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Spell checker exceptions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to tell the spell checker in pine not to spell check things like my internet address or my name? --- Knute Snortum Internet: knute@msi.masi.com MAS Inc. Compuserve: 72144,1646 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 21:00:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09620; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:00:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07242; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:58:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07236; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:58:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKIqS-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: smith@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Diane Smith) Subject: PC-Pine ~/.addressbook and ~/.signature files from Remote Host Message-Id: <1994Dec21.003118.2258@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:31:18 GMT Status: O X-Status: Using PC-Pine 3.91, how do we get it to get the ~/.addressbook and ~/.signature files from the remote host, just as is done with the folder-collections? Any information would be appreciated. -- Diane Smith Academic Computing Services Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 98225 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 21:13:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10017; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:13:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07403; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:10:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07397; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:10:04 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00981; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:10:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Diane Smith Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine ~/.addressbook and ~/.signature files from Remote Host In-Reply-To: <1994Dec21.003118.2258@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Diane, For now, those files need to *appear* to be available locally on the PC. Thus, in order to use the same files that Unix Pine sees, you need to "mount" them on your PC using a file service protocol such as NFS or SMB. In the future, we expect to have a more self-contained method of accessing remote support files. Since signature files don't usually change much, you can keep a second copy on your PC (named PINE.SIG), but you probably don't want to have two copies of your addressbook, unless you update it very rarely. -teg p.s. the same issues apply to .newsrc files. On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Diane Smith wrote: > Using PC-Pine 3.91, how do we get it to get the ~/.addressbook and > ~/.signature files from the remote host, just as is done with > the folder-collections? > > Any information would be appreciated. > > -- > Diane Smith > Academic Computing Services > Western Washington University > Bellingham, WA 98225 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 21:45:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10753; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:45:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11833; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:43:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11827; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:42:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKJUv-00000DC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: forwarding mail Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:14:33 GMT Message-Id: <3d8a39$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. SHARMA MUNISH with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:20:50 GMT: + How can a forward mail from account a to account b. Create a file called ".forward" (note the period before the filename) in account a and include the e-mail address of account b in it. That's it... -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 21:49:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10860; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:49:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07946; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:46:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07940; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:46:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKJX0-00000IC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ton@minnie.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Hai-Lam That Ton) Subject: test Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:38:26 GMT Status: O X-Status: -- -- ton@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 22:08:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11461; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:08:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12214; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:06:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12208; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:06:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKJt1-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:23:16 GMT Message-Id: <3d8ajk$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Ming-Si Chen with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 16 Dec 1994 13:59:03 -0500: + How would you define your own headers in PINE 3.05? Which varibles in + the .pinerc do you have to edit? 3.05? The current ver. is 3.91 please upgrade(ask your sysadmin) to ver. 3.90 and higher....it's *worth* every bit. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 22:11:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11624; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:11:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12278; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:08:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12272; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:08:35 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01517; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:08:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Ralph Sims Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine 3.91a In-Reply-To: <3d74hj$iea@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Ralph, 3.91a is just 3.91 with the patch that has been posted here previously applied. (The patch fixes a bug that prevented some pine.conf variables from being set. Needed if, for example, you want to set a local email address for the bug report command.) -teg On 20 Dec 1994, Ralph Sims wrote: > OK, guys. Holding out on us po' folk? The UofWA seems to > be running it, but it isn't available on the 'net. Beta? > > -- > > Northwest NEXUS, Inc. takes Internet OUT of the box! > info@nwnexus.wa.com, finger info@halcyon.com, or: > http://www.halcyon.com / +1 206 455 3505 voice > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 22:38:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12246; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:38:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08634; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:36:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08628; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:36:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKKMm-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 22:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: 20 Dec 1994 18:36:25 -0600 Message-Id: <3d7ta9$8jb@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> References: <1994Dec18.091911.510@titan.sfasu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , Terry Gray wrote: >Pine does not have integral uuencode/uudecode support because: It's all irrelevant. Earlier, on this very group, I found out how todo it! Merely set your custom printer to be "uudecode" and print your letter - no editing - uudecode is "smart" enough to strip the extraneous stuff. Therefore, why bother with extra coding???? Ain't unix wunnerful? -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 20 23:23:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13106; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:23:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13249; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:21:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13243; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:21:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKL2O-00000BC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 23:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Spellchecking with ^T and ispell Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 16:36:49 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm updating the spell checking section of the FAQ and I have some questions that I hope some of you can help me with. First, here's what I've done for myself. Note that I already use an alternate editor so I can't use the very cool alternate-editor=ispell trick. 1] In my $HOME/Bin I've linked spell to ispell with: ln -s /usr/local/bin/ispell $HOME/Bin/spell 2] In my .login set the SPELL environment variable like this: setenv SPELL "$HOME/Bin/spell" 3] In my home directory create a file called ispell.words that contains my private dictionary of words that should pass the spell check. The reason I've done these convolutions is that it seems like Pine wants the name of the spellchecker to be ``spell'', i.e., just setting SPELL to ispell doesn't work. Also, it doesn't seem to work if I skip step 2 (and have $HOME/Bin first on my path). So does anyone know of a better way to do this. Thanks for any info, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 01:24:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15717; Wed, 21 Dec 94 01:24:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10659; Wed, 21 Dec 94 01:16:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10653; Wed, 21 Dec 94 01:16:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKMp9-00000JC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 00:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca (Dave Morrow) Subject: Latest Version of pine Date: 20 Dec 1994 14:03:01 GMT Message-Id: <3d6o6l$55i@newton.candu.aecl.ca> Status: O X-Status: Is 3.91 the latest version of Pine that works on HP-UX machines? -- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// // David A. Morrow // // Network Administration, AECL Candu // // Tel: (905) 823-9060 x4587 Fax: 823-2302 // // Email: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca // ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// <. "...and the sign says the long haired freaky people need not apply..." .> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 02:50:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17381; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:50:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15725; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:46:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15719; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:46:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKOGe-00000CC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ac@libserver.canberra.edu.au (Alan Cockerill) Subject: Re: Unix manual ? Message-Id: <1994Dec21.042146.7685@csc.canberra.edu.au> References: <3d1t4j$e1c@newsreader.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 04:21:46 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <3d1t4j$e1c@newsreader.wustl.edu>, Lori Fox wrote: >Is there a way to print out the entire on-line manual. I know that the >answers to many of my questions about our system should be in the manual >and that I *ought* to be able to get them by typing "man [confusing >term], but I often can't locate anything or find what I do locate >hopelessly confusing. I think I might do better if I had a hard copy of >the whole thing available. Can it be done ? Sadly, Lori, a hard copy of crap is still crap. I've found the UNIX man only of value when you already know what you're doing but can't remember syntax, switches, etc. If you really want to learn more about UNIX the best thing is to borrow or buy an introductory book. Good luck. -- ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| || Alan Cockerill || These opinions aren't mine - I stole || || Cybrarian..NOT || them from someone much more intelligent || ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 02:54:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17504; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:54:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11774; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:51:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11768; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:51:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKOIP-00000BC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jef@interpac.be (Jean-Frangois Stenuit) Message-Id: <19941221.104055.594150.NETNEWS@CC1.KULEUVEN.AC.BE> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:16:24 +0100 Subject: Installation problem : Solaris 2.3 gcc 2.6.0 Status: O X-Status: I can't get pine 3.91 compile on my unix box ... many warnings and one fatal error on the pine program itself. Warnings : /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/string.h:30 warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy´ /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/string.h:32 warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy´ /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/string.h:38 warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp´ /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/string.h:39 warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp´ Error : In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:46, from headers.h:78, from addrbook.c:65: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/unistd.h:171: conflicting types for `rename´ /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.6.0/include/stdio.h:117: previous declaration of `rename´ make: *** [addrbook.o] Error 1 Did anyone experienced the same problem (it seems it is not specific to Pine but rather to the gcc installation, but Pine is the only program that does not compile right out of the box) -- Jean-François "Jef" Stenuit Internet administrator INterpac Belgium NV/SA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 03:08:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18082; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:08:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15940; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:05:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15934; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:05:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKOUz-00000bC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Customizing Pine Date: 21 Dec 1994 03:43:10 GMT Message-Id: <3d888e$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. Tahirah Shadforth with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 20 Dec 1994 14:55:43 GMT: + I would like to make my favorite mail program more user-friendly + for me (it already is a great program ;). All that I've been able + to do is change the YOU HAVE NEW MAIL to a more personalized + message. Does anyone out there have any more ideas? + What else can I do? Since you posted to comp.mail.pine I think you are talking about Pine, but what is this "YOU HAVE NEW MAIL" thingy ? There's bunchothings you can do with the newer Pine (3.90+) You can read news, you can postpone more than one mail composition, you can customize default compose headers, a better help index screen, toggle betwn 2 editors... the list can go on and on.... Hope this gives you some ideas! -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 03:26:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18633; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:26:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12184; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:21:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12178; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:21:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKOmM-00000BC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Status flags Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:22:37 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Does anyone else think that an "F" flag for "Forwarded" (similar to Answered") would be useful in the message index? Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 03:42:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19208; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:42:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16431; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:36:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16425; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:36:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKP3P-00000CC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 03:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:06:50 GMT Message-Id: <3d89kq$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: Comes here Mr. W. Ryan Thomas with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 20 Dec 1994 19:58:41 GMT: + > How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? + I'm sorry...but I got in on this thread late. Could someone please post a + summary of this thread. I have tried to get pine configured to read my + custom .newsrc file (~/.newsrc) and haven't been able to. 1- First of all make sure you are using version 3.90 and higher... 2- Go to (M)ain/(S)etup/(C)onfig screen. (letters within braces are commands) 3- (A)dd the local newsserver's address as the value for the nntp-server option. 4- Go further down in the same Config screen to set the newsrc-read-order option to your preference. 5- (E)xit and (Q)uit out of Pine completely. 6- Start again Pine, go to (L)ist, choose the news collection..... The rest will be magic...also you can set the intial keystrokes list at the prompt to something like this as an example... % pine -I l,n,v,v -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 05:04:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21714; Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:04:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13583; Wed, 21 Dec 94 04:55:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.liv.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13577; Wed, 21 Dec 94 04:55:19 -0800 Received: from pop.liv.ac.uk by mail.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:55:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:55:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Thew X-Sender: qq11@mail.liv.ac.uk Reply-To: Alan.Thew@liverpool.ac.uk To: Pine List Subject: pine with less Message-Id: Organization: The University of Liverpool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I can't get this to work. I have pipe enabled and am on a Unix machine. I also am using the MH interface. Any ideas? Thanks -- Alan Thew [Note new numbers] alan.thew@liv.ac.uk ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew Tel: +44 151 794-4497 University of Liverpool, Computing Services Fax: +44 151 794-4442 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 06:04:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23384; Wed, 21 Dec 94 06:04:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14296; Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:49:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14290; Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:49:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKR8r-000006C; Wed, 21 Dec 94 05:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: no longer needed Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:48:08 GMT Message-Id: <3d8c28$9q1@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (Chip Old) writes: > o Address a message to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu > o Leave the subject blank Note that it's ok if you have something in the Subject but it will be ignored. > o The message text should say: unsubscribe pine-info > >Do not include anything else in the text, not even a signature. Or you can put ``end'' as the last line of your commands and majordomo will ignore everything else. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 08:01:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27377; Wed, 21 Dec 94 08:01:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16340; Wed, 21 Dec 94 07:54:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16334; Wed, 21 Dec 94 07:54:49 -0800 Received: by fermat.Mayo.EDU (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA16894; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:54:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:54:47 +0200 (IST) From: ravindra kahatapitiya Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Please UNSUBSCRIBE . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 09:26:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01671; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:26:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22275; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:21:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22269; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:21:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKUPR-00000IC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Wanted: pointers to Pine docs Date: 21 Dec 1994 06:29:47 GMT Message-Id: <3d8i0r$cod@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: If you have any Pine docs on the Net could you send me a pointer (URL) to them? Here's what I have so far: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/ca_pine_guide.html http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/PineIntroduction http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/PineIntermediate (soon changing to http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/creations/*) Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 09:40:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02489; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:40:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18656; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:36:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18650; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:36:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKUfe-00000LC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Spell checker exceptions Date: 21 Dec 1994 08:01:35 -0800 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: knute@masi.com (Knute Snortum) writes: >Is there a way to tell the spell checker in pine not to spell check >things like my internet address or my name? I'm glad you asked! Here's a *REVISED* draft of a section of the Pine FAQ that I just updated. I'm not sure if it is correct so it would be great if people could send me feedback on it. Here are a couple questions I have: * Do all versions of ispell use ispell.words as the default personal dictionary? * How can you tell if ispell and spell are already linked on your system? * Is there an easier way to do Method 2? * Any suggestions for improving this? === Subject: How do I use Ispell with Pine and Pico? If you use ispell and have an ispell custom dictionary ($HOME/ispell.words, which contains a list of words, one word to a line) then it is nice to also use ispell for spell checking your outgoing mail messages. There are two methods for setting this up. METHOD 1 ======== If you always use Pine's default composer, Pico, then you can use ispell as your "alternate editor." In your .pinerc set enable-alternate-editor and set the editor variable like this: editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell (See step 1 of Method 2 below for instruction for finding the full path to ispell on your machine.) Then, when you are composing a message you can type ^_ to run ispell on your message and display the output in Pine's viewer. In the viewer you can use ispell's usual commands. While in ispell you can type ? for help on ipell's commands. One useful command is ``I'' which inserts the current word in your custom dictionary. METHOD 2 ======== If you use an alternate editor, such as vi or emacs, then you need to fool Pine into thinking that ispell is spell. Here's how to set this up: 1] Determine what directory ispell is by using either of these commands: which ispell whereis ispell 2] In your bin directory, e.g., $HOME/bin, link spell to ispell with: ln -s /usr/local/bin/ispell $HOME/bin/spell Replace ``/usr/local/bin'' with ispell's path (see #1). 3] If you use the csh or tcsh set the SPELL environment variable by putting a line like this in your .cshrc: setenv SPELL "$HOME/bin/spell" If you use the Bourne shell set the SPELL environment variable by putting a line like this in your .profile: SPELL="$HOME/bin/spell" export SPELL 4] In your home directory create a file called ispell.words that contains your private dictionary of words that should pass the spell check. This will probably include your name, email address, etc. 5] Logout and log back in to make sure that your new settings are in place. 6] Test that this is set up correctly by using Pine to compose a message and include words, like your name, that are in your custom dictionary. Spellcheck the message with ^T. If your name passes the spellcheck then it is set up correctly. Note that with Method 2 you cannot use many of ispell's features, like ``I'' to add a word to your dictionary. -by Mike Ramey and Nancy McGough -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 09:42:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02539; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:42:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22632; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:36:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22626; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:36:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKUfl-00000NC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ii@best.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 21 Dec 1994 08:01:55 -0801 Message-Id: <3d9ji5$kt4@shell1.best.com> Status: O X-Status: cancel in newsgroup comp.mail.pine This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 10:11:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04007; Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:11:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19452; Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:06:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19446; Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:06:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKV7B-00000AC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 09:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ryan Bradford Neily Subject: Someone please repost the Path for 3.91! Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 03:30:11 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Can someone please re-post the path that upgrades 3.91 to 3.91a? I would like to let my users be able to do Bug Reports to me... Ryan Bradford Neily Phone1: 912-871-3457 Georgia Southern University Phone2: 404-565-3087 ACM Vice President Data/Fax/BBS: 912-871-3885 Member Team Os/2! Internet: rbn@gsu.cs.GaSoU.edu Fidonet: 1@1:18/3 VNet: 2@1912110 GAT/GCS d++ p+(++) c++ l u++ e++ m* s+/- n-(--) h-- f++ !g w+ t--- r-- x+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 12:08:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09349; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:08:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25999; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:01:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25992; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:01:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKWwM-00000AC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mramey@u.washington.edu (Mike Ramey) Subject: Re: Spell checker exceptions Date: 21 Dec 1994 19:25:20 GMT Message-Id: <3d9vf0$hlu@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: knute@masi.com (Knute Snortum) writes: >Is there a way to tell the spell checker in pine not to spell check >things like my internet address or my name? If you are using the pine native-mode spell checker (^T), the answer is 'no' (to the best of my knowledge). That's why the alternate program 'ispell' is so appealing. If you use its full-capability mode (^_) then you can insert (I) your name (and any other acceptable words) in your private dictionary. Edit the dictionary file if you want to check it and remove spurious words. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 12:21:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09829; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:21:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22680; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:16:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22674; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:16:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKXAC-00000BC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 11:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: SV4 ?? Date: 21 Dec 94 14:46:36 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: Mark Crispin writes: >On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: >> In Mark Crispin writes: >> >On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: >> >> Pine developers: why do you put the "sv4" stuff in with the >> >> non-ANSI group? Is there some variant of SVR4 that is not >> >> ANSI-compatible? >> >The answer to this question is "yes"; there are SVR4 systems that do not >> >have C compilers which support ANSI prototypes. A port is necessarily >> >limited by the worst representative of that port. >> Not trying to anger you, Mark, but ANSI C compilers are now in widespread >> use on mnay SVR4 systems. Perhaps you could give us a choice? Another possibility is to tell those people with SVR4 who do not have conforming compilers that they need to install GCC. There are a number of packages that require one to do this for SunOS 4.1.3. >It has nothing to do with being angry. It has everything to do with an >attempt to suppress misinformation being distributed as folklore, that >subsequently comes back as support issues. >Once again, with feeling: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE IMAP TREE >IS USED!!! >If you think it matters, you are mistaken. >Perhaps I should just stop distributing the ANSI side of the IMAP tree, >and convert all the ANSI ports to non-ANSI prototypes prior to >distribution. Why not use a cpp macro that will instantiate to nothing for setups that cannot handle this? Jove used something like this for aa number of years. It is an interesting hack. >Or maybe I should call the two sides of the tree imap/blurdybloop and >imap/sarasoop. >> >There is absolutely no reason why it should matter whether or not the sv4 >> >files are in .../imap/ANSI/c-client or .../imap/non-ANSI/c-client. >> Yes, in my case there was. I needed to have -DANSI set, and there were no >> sv4 files in .../imap/ANSI/c-client. >Which side of the imap/ANSI imap/non-ANSI tree is used has nothing to do >with -DANSI. >The IMAP toolkit does not define the ANSI symbol. >The IMAP toolkit does not use the ANSI symbol. >A directory name has no relationship to a C compiler symbol. >> Thank you. What do you suggest I do to build sv4 (non-ANSI C) pine with >> Unixware and an ANSI C compiler? >Send email to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu detailing the error messages >which you are getting. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 13:23:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12393; Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:23:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27447; Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:06:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27441; Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:06:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKXvP-00000AC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 12:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Latest Version of pine Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:59:01 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3d6o6l$55i@newton.candu.aecl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3d6o6l$55i@newton.candu.aecl.ca> Status: O X-Status: Yes. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 20 Dec 1994, Dave Morrow wrote: > Date: 20 DEC 1994 14:03:01 GMT > From: Dave Morrow > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Latest Version of pine > > Is 3.91 the latest version of Pine that works > on HP-UX machines? > > -- > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// > // David A. Morrow // > // Network Administration, AECL Candu // > // Tel: (905) 823-9060 x4587 Fax: 823-2302 // > // Email: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca // > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > <. "...and the sign says the long haired freaky people need not apply..." .> > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 14:23:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14831; Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:23:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25380; Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:14:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25374; Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:14:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKYz5-00000AC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mtc@wwa.com (Mark Crandon) Subject: Re: pine for windows? Please! Date: 21 Dec 1994 21:44:15 GMT Message-Id: <3da7jf$5is@sashimi.wwa.com> References: <1994Dec20.015553.3337@muvms6> Status: O X-Status: I just got Pc Pine for Windows and it's at: ftp.cac.washington.edu But I have a question, why is it when I try to compose a message it says I have no remote folder collections or something like that. And mail that was sent to my PINE (under UNIX) doesn't appear under PC-Pine? Please reply E-Mail.... -- "To all those who don't know the colored man, the colored man is the obvious, you understand. I kill him and drill him in my boot camp. Who can't, survive in the clique, you can't..." Buckshot "Murder MCs" URBAN magazine: ftp.eff.org /pub/Publications/CuD/URBAN ftp.etext.org /mnt/pub/Zines/URBAN aql.gatech.edu /pub/Zines/Urban From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 15:14:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16935; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:14:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26601; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:10:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26587; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:10:40 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17775; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:10:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: swedorski@hp.falcon.edu To: Pine Developers Subject: Spell Checker Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="162325131-1903590565-787944124=:20420" Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --162325131-1903590565-787944124=:20420 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good afternoon. I am currently using unix's standard spell checker. I would like to get another one that is better. Can you recommend one that will work with pine? Also, where can I get it on the internet? Thanks for all your help. ********************************************************************** *FALCON, (Flint Area Library Cooperative Online Network) * *Scott A. Swedorski - Computer Operator * * * * Swedorski@hp.falcon.edu - Internet * *G-4195 West Pasadena (810) 732-0266 - Voice * *Flint, Michigan 48504 (810) 732-1161 - Fax * ********************************************************************** --162325131-1903590565-787944124=:20420-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 15:34:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17847; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:34:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26986; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:23:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26980; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:23:28 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01922; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:24:05 +0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: SHARMA MUNISH Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 900 Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, SHARMA MUNISH wrote: > How can a forward mail from account a to account b. If I receive mail at acco > unt a then I would like it to forwarded to account b automatically. If "account a" is on a Unix system, you need a text file called ".forward" (dot forward) in a's home directory. The file should contain the address of "account b", nothing else. For example, asssuming "account a" is sharmam@ecf.toronto.edu and "account b" is sharmam@wombat.marsupial.outback.au, then the .forward file should say only sharmam@wombat.marsupial.outback.au Once the .forward file is in place, any new mail received for sharmam@ecf.toronto.edu will be automatically forwarded to sharmam@wombat.marsupial.outback.au For moe info on automatic mail forwarding, enter "man forward" at the Unix prompt. ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 15:56:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18875; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:56:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00801; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:51:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00795; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:51:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKaVk-000006C; Wed, 21 Dec 94 15:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matt Hewn Subject: Catting a file into the subject line? Date: 21 Dec 1994 21:59:01 GMT Message-Id: <3da8f5$j5t@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Matt Hewn Is there a way to automagically cat a file into the subject line? Thanks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBFAgUBLvilHYfkdnX+hcrBAQHHqAGAjp6cZl+xu9dsgu/Qs7oGczxAHR+RJILZ Mb17xunGhcecaaoks7bmB50ryn1N2sGm =qYwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Matt Hewn -- Information is not knowledge; knowledge is not wisdom; wisdom is not truth. Truth is absolute. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 16:41:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21603; Wed, 21 Dec 94 16:41:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28740; Wed, 21 Dec 94 16:36:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28734; Wed, 21 Dec 94 16:36:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKbD2-000006C; Wed, 21 Dec 94 16:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Henrik Rasmussen Subject: refresh folder index Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:39:40 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1994, I wrote:=20 >When i receive some new mail it of course takes pine a moment to update=20 >the folder index. Is there any command that forces pine to update=20 >immediately? I've already RTFM (briefly), but can't find anything. ...But out news-server went down and i'm not shure that the question came= =20 out so I ask again. Venlig hilsen / Regards Henrik Rasmussen University of Copenhagen ADB-kontoret ------------------------------------------------------------------------- N=F8rregade 10 Tel: +45 35 32 26 26 Direct: +45 35 32 27 0= 4 P.O.B. 2177 Fax: +45 35 32 27 80 DK 1017 K=F8benhavn K Email: Henrik.Rasmussen@adm.ku.dk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 18:07:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24888; Wed, 21 Dec 94 18:07:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03586; Wed, 21 Dec 94 18:03:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03577; Wed, 21 Dec 94 18:03:14 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:01:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:01:52 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Henrik Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: refresh folder index In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 1994, I wrote: > > >When i receive some new mail it of course takes pine a moment to update > >the folder index. Is there any command that forces pine to update > >immediately? I've already RTFM (briefly), but can't find anything. > > ...But out news-server went down and i'm not shure that the question came > out so I ask again. A control-l will cause an immediate update. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 19:03:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26076; Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:03:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04382; Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:00:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04376; Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:00:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKdWe-00000AC; Wed, 21 Dec 94 18:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: epstein@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) Subject: Working with compressed folders? Date: 21 Dec 94 23:42:26 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Is there any mechanism in pine for working with compressed folders? What I'm thinking of is allowing folders (e.g. in ~/Mail) to be compressed, and when they're read in, they are automatically uncompressed, and then when they're closed, they are automatically compressed again. If there isn't such a mechanism (I'm pretty sure there isn't), how hard would it be to add? The reason I'm asking is that we're running tight on space in our users partition, and saved Mail is taking up a fair amount of that space. Being able to compress all those folders should save us a lot (I haven't actually tried to figure out exactly how much). Perhaps this sounds like a crazy idea, but it seems like being able to work with compressed folders (for both mail and news) could be a big win. Thanks for your help. -- Milt Epstein Visiting Research Programmer National Animal Poison Control Center (NAPCC) epstein@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu College of Veterinary Medicine (CVM) (or mepstein@uiuc.edu) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 20:20:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27595; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:20:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02429; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:17:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02423; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:17:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKeiL-000006C; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Someone please repost the Path for 3.91! Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:56:13 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2057797181-788054173=:24578" In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-2057797181-788054173=:24578 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII See attached. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Ryan Bradford Neily wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 DEC 1994 03:30:11 -0500 > From: Ryan Bradford Neily > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Someone please repost the Path for 3.91! > > > Can someone please re-post the path that upgrades 3.91 to 3.91a? I would > like to let my users be able to do Bug Reports to me... > > Ryan Bradford Neily Phone1: 912-871-3457 > Georgia Southern University Phone2: 404-565-3087 > ACM Vice President Data/Fax/BBS: 912-871-3885 > Member Team Os/2! Internet: rbn@gsu.cs.GaSoU.edu > Fidonet: 1@1:18/3 VNet: 2@1912110 > GAT/GCS d++ p+(++) c++ l u++ e++ m* s+/- n-(--) h-- f++ !g w+ t--- r-- x+ > > > --0-2057797181-788054173=:24578 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="init.c.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Patch for pine/init.c KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-2057797181-788054173=:24578-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 21 21:22:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28897; Wed, 21 Dec 94 21:22:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06256; Wed, 21 Dec 94 21:19:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06250; Wed, 21 Dec 94 21:19:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKfcU-000006C; Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Spellchecking with ^T and ispell Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:16:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Note also that different implementations of 'ispell' use different user dictionary files: stein: $HOME/.ispell_words saul: $HOME/ispell.words I have attempted a symbolic link from ispell.words->.ispell_words so that both programs would use the same file, ... but the symbolic link keeps disappearing!!! Does anyone know why??? Thanks, -mr On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > I'm updating the spell checking section of the FAQ and I have some > questions that I hope some of you can help me with. First, here's > what I've done for myself. Note that I already use an alternate > editor so I can't use the very cool alternate-editor=ispell trick. > > 1] In my $HOME/Bin I've linked spell to ispell with: > > ln -s /usr/local/bin/ispell $HOME/Bin/spell > > 2] In my .login set the SPELL environment variable like this: > > setenv SPELL "$HOME/Bin/spell" > > 3] In my home directory create a file called ispell.words that > contains my private dictionary of words that should pass the > spell check. > > The reason I've done these convolutions is that it seems like > Pine wants the name of the spellchecker to be ``spell'', i.e., > just setting SPELL to ispell doesn't work. Also, it doesn't seem > to work if I skip step 2 (and have $HOME/Bin first on my path). So > does anyone know of a better way to do this. > > Thanks for any info, > Nancy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 05:23:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09605; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:23:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12279; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12273; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:18:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKnAS-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lila Tidningen Skane Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:21:01 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: > In article <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu>, > Jay Allen wrote: > >Venkatesh Thirumalai wrote: > > > >: If you have such a program operational and could pass it along > >: or point me to a source for the same, it would be great. > > > > Me too! Thanks in advance. -j- > > Check out procmail.> > (as usual it is in the FAQ (Filter FAq to be exact.) > ftp rtfm.mit.edu to get the faq. > > Venkat Maybe I am stupid, but I could not find a faq on pine in mentioned ftp site. I have also installed procmail, but I cant get it to run, so I migth get some ideas if I find the faq! Anders From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 06:04:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10404; Thu, 22 Dec 94 06:04:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09727; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:53:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09718; Thu, 22 Dec 94 05:53:53 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:52:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 21:52:29 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Lila Tidningen Skane Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Lila Tidningen Skane wrote: > Maybe I am stupid, but I could not find a faq on pine in mentioned > ftp site. For the pine faq try: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine/docs > I have also installed procmail, but I cant get it to run, so I > migth get some ideas if I find the faq! procmail v3.10 1994/10/31 written and created by Stephen R. van den Berg berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Submit questions/answers to the procmail-related mailinglist by sending to: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de And of course, subscription and information requests for this list to: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de The FAQ is at that site as well.... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 07:51:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12635; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:51:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11056; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:38:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11050; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:38:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKpJt-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johann_tietjen@mindlink.bc.ca (Johann Tietjen) Subject: File Attachments Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 07:13:08 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I have the following trouble with Pine: When I send a message with a file attached with Pine to my account b, which is a PPP connection, from my account a wich is a shell account Pegasus Mail, which I use on account b has the file received as an enclosure instead an attachment. The other way round it works fine. Is there a way to configure pine, so it sends the file as an attacment, or lies the problem somewhere else? I would appreciate any help whith this! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johann Tietjen jtietjen@pris.bc.ca Box 184 Groundbirch BC, V0C 1T0, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 08:10:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13369; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:10:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14274; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:53:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14268; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:53:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKpWA-00000BC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 07:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: island@whidbey.net (Judith Winter) Message-Id: <9412220947.AB19018@islander> Subject: goblins in Pine? Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 01:47:33 PST Status: O X-Status: Has anyone other than me been having dificulties with Pine lately? Pine 3.91, last week or so, when I am reading mail, it will "randomly" act as if I have given it a command, e.g., it will: ask me if I want to do 'x', or start/stop a reply,or open another e-mail, or ask me which e-mail I want to jump to, etc. As far as I can tell, it does this independently of anything I may or may not do. FYI: Mac Duo 230, 4 meg ram, system 7.1, Global Village Teleport Gold II mmodem, Kensington Turbo Mouse, lotsa extensions, and yes, I use Eudora for mail [when I'm in slip account (Mac TCP)], but I use Pine when in shell account [Z Term 0.9]. Please reply by e-mail. TIA. In connection, Judith Winter island@whidbey.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 09:06:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16165; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:06:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12485; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:58:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12479; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:58:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKqY4-00000DC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mparson@mercury.utb.edu (Michael Parson) Subject: Re: goblins in Pine? Date: 22 Dec 1994 14:32:51 GMT Message-Id: <3dc2mj$jpl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <9412220947.AB19018@islander> Status: O X-Status: In article <9412220947.AB19018@islander>, Judith Winter wrote: >Has anyone other than me been having dificulties with Pine lately? Pine >3.91, last week or so, when I am reading mail, it will "randomly" act as if >I have given it a command, e.g., it will: > ask me if I want to do 'x', or > start/stop a reply,or > open another e-mail, or > ask me which e-mail I want to jump to, etc. > >As far as I can tell, it does this independently of anything I may or may >not do. > >FYI: >Mac Duo 230, 4 meg ram, system 7.1, >Global Village Teleport Gold II mmodem, This guy is probably the source of a few of your problems. The GV modems do not come with any form of error correction out of the box. I know because my girlfriend just got a PPC Performa, and this modem was included in the package. When I read through the documentation, it said that error correction and data compression were available at an extra cost (on a 14.4k modem!). Anyways, the wrong kind of line noise could be interpreted by PINE as a command as though you typed it in from the keyboard. You might want to check with GV to see how much their error correction and data compression software is for their modem (software upgradeable hardware.....). >Kensington Turbo Mouse, lotsa extensions, >and yes, I use Eudora for mail [when I'm in slip account (Mac TCP)], Do you experience other problems when using SLIP? Maybe not mail going off on its own, but do you ever have problems with bad downloads (ftp's)? >but I use Pine when in shell account [Z Term 0.9]. Great program! It is what I use to login when I use Macs at work. > >Please reply by e-mail. TIA. > >In connection, > >Judith Winter >island@whidbey.net -- Michael Parson /// University of Texas at Brownsville Unix System Adminstrator /// SX-64 Academic Computing Email: mparson@utb.edu \\\/// C-128 Phone: 210-982-0280 IRC: Roloc \XX/ A500 Using Commodores since 1984 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 09:10:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16388; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:10:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15710; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:03:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15702; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:03:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKqf6-00000FC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 08:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: uwe@oi32.kwu.siemens.de (Uwe Mirk) Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:01:59 GMT Message-Id: <3dbiqn$ct6@marina.scn.de> References: Status: O X-Status: In article , venkat@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Venkatesh Thirumalai) says: > >hi, > > I am looking for a public "autoresponder" program. > i use Chip Salzenbergs deliver package it works great for me -- uwe mirk uwe@oi32.kwu.siemens.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 09:39:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17906; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:39:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13521; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:35:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13515; Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:35:49 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA21208; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 11:36:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 11:36:02 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: Judith Winter Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goblins in Pine? In-Reply-To: <9412220947.AB19018@islander> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Judith Winter wrote: > Has anyone other than me been having dificulties with Pine lately? Pine > 3.91, last week or so, when I am reading mail, it will "randomly" act as if > I have given it a command, e.g., it will: > ask me if I want to do 'x', or > start/stop a reply,or > open another e-mail, or > ask me which e-mail I want to jump to, etc. > > As far as I can tell, it does this independently of anything I may or may > not do. > > > FYI: > Mac Duo 230, 4 meg ram, system 7.1, > Global Village Teleport Gold II mmodem, > Kensington Turbo Mouse, lotsa extensions, > and yes, I use Eudora for mail [when I'm in slip account (Mac TCP)], > but I use Pine when in shell account [Z Term 0.9]. > > Please reply by e-mail. TIA. > I'm having the same problem!! Setup: Mac IIsi, 6 meg ram, system 7.1 Hayes Accura Fax/Modem Not too many extensions. I'm calling into a Gandalf Starmaster, which telnets out to our Alpha 3300. It's very bizarre!!!! Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 10:48:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20704; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:48:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14858; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:44:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14852; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:44:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKsCK-00000ZC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:47:03 GMT References: <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , Pete Holsberg wrote: =In article <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, =Wet-Sprocket wrote: ==Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT: == == + The config files have no variables set except the news-collection == + one is "News *[]". == ==How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? = =Did that, to no avail. When I redefined news-collection to = News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[] =it said = can't connect to tecoma, 143 = conenction refused =Is that an imapd problem??? I went back and made sure that imapd and ipop3d were alive in my inetd.conf file, and even rebooted to make sure that inetd reread its config file, but again to no avail. Still get connection refused, 143. imapd, 143 is indeed listed in /etc/services. ??? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 10:58:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21156; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:58:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18012; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:53:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18006; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:53:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKsOs-00000DC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 10:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:55:59 GMT References: <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Wet-Sprocket wrote: =Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT: = = + The config files have no variables set except the news-collection = + one is "News *[]". = =How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? Did that, to no avail. When I redefined news-collection to News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[] it said can't connect to tecoma, 143 conenction refused Is that an imapd problem??? Thanks and happy holidays. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 11:21:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21948; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:21:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15513; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:17:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from danforth.torfree.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15507; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:17:01 -0800 Received: from yonge.torfree.net by mail.torfree.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rKszL-000C0rC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:15 EST Received: by yonge.torfree.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rKszI-00040NC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:15 EST Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 14:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: Munish Sharma Subject: Re: forwarding mail To: Chip Old Cc: SHARMA MUNISH , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Thanks for your help, I will give it a shot. Munish Sharma ax178@freenet.toronto.on.ca or sharmam@ecf.toronto.edu (ciao/*\) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 11:38:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22672; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:38:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15666; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:23:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15660; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:23:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKsox-00000BC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paul_haring@jhuapl.edu (Paul S. Haring) Subject: Re: Attachments: How to? Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 18:16:50 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article Jon Peck writes: >From: Jon Peck >Subject: Attachments: How to? >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:18:20 -500 (EST) >As someone else here put it earlier today, I'm fairly new to Pine, like >it a lot, and understand it a little. In that context, can someone please >(in English!) tell me how to do file transfers via e-mail between me >(Pine 3.90, via a PC/modem calling into a Unix-based university computer) >and someone who accesses e-mail through either Compu$erve or AOL? >Jon Peck >Tallahassee, FL >jon@legal.firn.edu Many newsreaders can not deal with attachments, CI$ and AOL amoung them. What you can do is uuencode the file and include it in the body of your mail message. Then, assuming they know how to do it and have the tool, the recipient can uudecode it. That was SOP before attachments came along. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 11:43:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22841; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:43:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18696; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:28:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18690; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:28:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKstA-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Needed: Windows editor that autowraps Date: 22 Dec 1994 17:38:29 GMT Message-Id: <3dcdil$rfd@news.halcyon.com> References: <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> <3d7fgt$3et@desiree.teleport.com> Status: O X-Status: premia@teleport.com (Daniel Elbaum) writes: >Nancy McGough wrote: >:Does anyone have any recommendations for a Windows editor that autowraps, > >Our editor, Codewright, can autowrap as you describe. It's very >configurable, fast, and feature-rich. I think list price is $229 now. For that price it sounds like a word processor. I'm just looking for a simple Windows editor, that's a little more powerful than Notepad... I'm going to try out Editeur (if I can find it) but I'm still interested in what else is out there. Thanks much, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 11:53:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23178; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:53:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19091; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:49:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19085; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:49:19 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27208; Thu, 22 Dec 94 11:49:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 11:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Pete Holsberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: You probably want an entry like News *{tecoma.mccc.edu/nntp}[] ^^^^^ If you don't have the /nntp Pine tries to use IMAP for news access, and IMAP assumes the .newsrc is stored on the server, not the client. Setting "nntp-server=tecoma.mccc.edu" should obviate the need for the above news-collection entry, but if the news-collection entry exists and is wrong, it will over-ride the default. So try setting nntp-server and *deleting* the news-collection entry. -teg On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > In article <3clgt7$rc2@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, > Wet-Sprocket wrote: > =Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:23:22 GMT: > = > = + The config files have no variables set except the news-collection > = + one is "News *[]". > = > =How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? > > Did that, to no avail. When I redefined news-collection to > News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[] > it said > can't connect to tecoma, 143 > conenction refused > Is that an imapd problem??? > > Thanks and happy holidays. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 13:08:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26501; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:08:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17361; Thu, 22 Dec 94 12:54:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17355; Thu, 22 Dec 94 12:54:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKuHc-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: af@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Andreas Fuchsberger) Subject: using MH folders... the continuing saga (Summary and a new query) Date: 22 Dec 1994 18:57:20 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: (For those interested, the story so far) I wanted to get Pine to read MH style folders, (this I managed to figure out myself) and to be able to move (ie S save in Pine-speak) messages from my INBOX to a folder. In response to my first query I received the following reply. (BTW thanks to Alan Thew for the following:) > Make sure that you have the full path of your MH folders in your > .mh_profile with the Path variable (first), and use the line > > folder-collections=#mh/[] > > in your .pinerc (this works for me). What I forgot to add in my first query is that I use PC-Pine to read and administor my email when working on a PC. This means I run imapd on the UNIX host email is delivered to. The appropriate lines from PINERC (on the PC) read: inbox-path={omega.dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk}INBOX folder-collections={omega.dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk}#mh/[] Everything works fine, I can read and delete messages from the INBOX, I can open an MH style folder and read and delete messages, BUT I can't save messages from INBOX to an MH style folder. If I hit 's' and enter an existing folder name (eg cc) I get Folder "cc" doesn't exist. Create? with 'y' I get [CREATE failed: Can't create mailbox #mh/cc: mailbox already exists] Now, interestingly enough I can save (ie move) messages from one MH style folder to another! Ie opening an MH style folder and using save to another MH style folder works as expected. Upon further investigation, I can reproduce this behaviour if I use Pine on the UNIX box where I have my home account by setting the two entries in my .pinerc as detailed above. This obviously means that the problem dosen't lie with PC-Pine. On a related note, I only have one INBOX in my Folder List, I'm missing the MH inbox folder. Ihere is here of course a confilct as Pine refers to the actual maildrop as the INBOX, whereas MH uses inbox to be the the default folder. Any ideas? Please email me a copy of any suggestions, I'm away until Next Year! Thanks, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 13:16:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26849; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:16:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20741; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:09:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20735; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:09:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKuLh-00000WC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 12:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: Re: Spellchecking with ^T and ispell Message-Id: <1994Dec22.122413.528@titan.sfasu.edu> Date: 22 Dec 94 12:24:12 CST References: Status: O X-Status: In article , Nancy McGough wrote: >I'm updating the spell checking section of the FAQ and I have some >questions that I hope some of you can help me with. First, here's >what I've done for myself. Note that I already use an alternate >editor so I can't use the very cool alternate-editor=ispell trick. > >1] In my $HOME/Bin I've linked spell to ispell with: > > ln -s /usr/local/bin/ispell $HOME/Bin/spell > >2] In my .login set the SPELL environment variable like this: > > setenv SPELL "$HOME/Bin/spell" > >3] In my home directory create a file called ispell.words that > contains my private dictionary of words that should pass the > spell check. > > >The reason I've done these convolutions is that it seems like >Pine wants the name of the spellchecker to be ``spell'', i.e., >just setting SPELL to ispell doesn't work. Also, it doesn't seem >to work if I skip step 2 (and have $HOME/Bin first on my path). So >does anyone know of a better way to do this. > >Thanks for any info, >Nancy > > I don't know if this is better, but I do something like this... (1) point the alt-editor to myeditor (2) put this script in ~/bin/myeditor (chmod 700 myeditor) #!/bin/csh -f set MYREALEDITOR = "whatever -whateverOptions" set SPELLER = "ispell -x" $MYREALEDITOR $1 $SPELLER $1 -- kc prudence dictates a low profile -- Sandy Sandfort finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 13:18:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26939; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:18:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20806; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:11:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sol.cwsl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20800; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:11:30 -0800 Received: from cwsl.edu (ram.cwsl.edu [204.94.57.11]) by sol.cwsl.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14501 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:10:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Raleigh Moody (raleigh@cwsl.edu)" To: Pine List Subject: PC Pine loses connection to mail host...why? X-Sender: ram@cwsl.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: For some reason or another, the imap connection from Pine to the mailbox on our Unix machine automatically closes after a period of inactivity. I don't know if it's Pine closing the connection or if it's the imap daemon doing it, but I suspect it's the latter. Does anybody know which it is, and does it have to be this way? I would prefer to be able to leave Pine open in it's own DOS Window so that I immediately know when mail comes in. Do I somehow need to change the configuration of imap on our Sun? We're running PC Pine 3.91 on our desktops. Our mail host is Sparc 5 running Solaris 2.3. This is the message Pine gives after a period of inactivity (which is around 15 or 20 minutes, I think): [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR] Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Raleigh Moody Internet: rmoody@cwsl.edu Network Specialist California Western School of Law Voice: 619.525.1406 225 Cedar Street, San Diego, CA 92101 Fax: 619.685.2916 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 14:04:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28660; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:04:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18742; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:00:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18736; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:00:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKvHw-00000FC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 13:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tkircht@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas KIRCHTAG) Subject: How can pine jump to new mail? Date: 22 Dec 1994 16:43:28 GMT Message-Id: <3dcabg$9b4@news.tuwien.ac.at> Status: O X-Status: I know how to make pine 3.91 jump to say received mail No 13, but how can i make it jump to the LAST mail in my INBOX? Who can tell me which special characters pine recognizes in the initial keystroke list. How can i enter blanks? By the way, does anybody out there know, why pine does not have anything like search&replace? Thats all it lacks for a real useable editor for me! Thomas -- *********************************************************************** * Thomas Kirchtag * * TU-Vienna * * Institute of General Chemistry * * Chemometrics Department * * Lehargasse 4/152 * * A-1060 Wien tkircht@fbch.tuwien.ac.at * * Tel.:0043-1-58801-4996 tkircht@echm10.tuwien.ac.at* * FAX :0043-1-5811915 * *********************************************************************** --- When the time comes, I want to die calmly in my sleep, like my grandfather and not screaming and scared like his passengers. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 15:39:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01891; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:39:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23601; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:34:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23595; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:34:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKwmh-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Simba Subject: Those dang carriage returns > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:31:13 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Why is it that when I write a letter or read a file into Pine, the word wrap functions perfectly; similarly if I export a letter to the main directory and open it with the apparently identical editor Pico. *But* if I send that same message to my PC over the telephone line, even if I strip out the unix end--of-line characters or commands, every line still ends in a "hard" carriage return, which shows up on my screen as > To turn those hard carriage returns into soft ones, so that I can manipulate the file with my word processor, I have to go through each paragraph and use a wp command to do so. (The wp is WordStar, and the command is ctrl-6.) Any way to work around this problem? Once again I say that the problem is not unix-to-dos; I have that problem fixed. - Dan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 15:53:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02232; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:53:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20620; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:49:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AB20614; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:49:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rKwzi-00000IC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Using PINE on Vax when it isn't on the system Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:44:03 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Is it possible to copy files to my subdirectory that will allow me to use PINE on a VAX system that only offers MAIL to its hapless inhabitants? If so, which files do I copy and where can I get them? Thanks very much for your help. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 19:23:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07935; Thu, 22 Dec 94 19:23:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27384; Thu, 22 Dec 94 19:20:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27378; Thu, 22 Dec 94 19:20:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL0FU-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 19:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: penev@pisa.Rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: PC Pine for Multiple Users? Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:01:29 GMT Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:58:11 GMT Pete Holsberg (pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu) wrote: | I'd like to run PCPine on a computer used by several people, but | geive them individual mailboxes, news reading, etc. Is there a | way of doing this? I believe you could set up different directories for each user and have different icons with the working directory different in each individual icon property. The name can be different also, so that user know which is their icon. I haven't tested this though. -- Penio Penev 1-212-327-7423 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 20:08:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08811; Thu, 22 Dec 94 20:08:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27919; Thu, 22 Dec 94 20:04:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27907; Thu, 22 Dec 94 20:04:17 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03801; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 23:04:57 +0500 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 23:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: no longer needed In-Reply-To: <3d8c28$9q1@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 978 Status: O X-Status: On 21 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (Chip Old) writes: > > o Address a message to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu > > o Leave the subject blank > > Note that it's ok if you have something in the Subject but it will > be ignored. > > > o The message text should say: unsubscribe pine-info > > > >Do not include anything else in the text, not even a signature. > > Or you can put ``end'' as the last line of your commands and > majordomo will ignore everything else. All true, but I've found that a lot of people are already confused enough about the differences between listserv, listproc, and majordomo. To avoid confusion, when I tell somebody how to send a command to majordomo I usually tell them to leave the subject blank and include nothing in the text other than the actual command, just like they're used to (or should be) with the ubiquitous listserv. ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 21:29:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10186; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:29:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25319; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:25:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25313; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:25:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL2Ce-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ibottema@alkaid.sce.carleton.ca (Ike Bottema) Subject: Re: Needed: Windows editor that autowraps Message-Id: References: <3d4r27$6vn@news.halcyon.com> <3d7fgt$3et@desiree.teleport.com> <3dcdil$rfd@news.halcyon.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 03:38:47 GMT Status: O X-Status: Nancy McGough writes: >premia@teleport.com (Daniel Elbaum) writes: >>Nancy McGough wrote: >>:Does anyone have any recommendations for a Windows editor that autowraps, >> >>Our editor, Codewright, can autowrap as you describe. It's very >>configurable, fast, and feature-rich. I think list price is $229 now. >For that price it sounds like a word processor. I'm just looking >for a simple Windows editor, that's a little more powerful than >Notepad... Try Gator Edit. It has multiple windows, right mouse button editing functions, configurable toolbars, and lots of little extras like being able to open autoexec.bat, config.sys, win.ini, and system.ini with a single click. It's shareware and you can test drive it for thirty days without a single nag! $25 for the licence which, once you've used it, you'll agree is a bargain. I can't remember the filename, but it's at cica and the TelSim mirror sites I'm sure. Contact the author, dbackus@patchbay.com and I'm sure he'll point you right at the filename. Oh yes .... word wrap you ask? But of course! :-) Ike "can you tell I'm a satisfied user?" Bottema From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 21:59:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10831; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:59:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29316; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:55:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29310; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:55:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL2jf-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 21:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: 23 Dec 1994 03:18:47 GMT Message-Id: <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> References: <1994Dec18.091911.510@titan.sfasu.edu> <3d7ta9$8jb@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> Status: O X-Status: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: >It's all irrelevant. Earlier, on this very group, I found out how todo >it! Merely set your custom printer to be "uudecode" and print your >letter - no editing - uudecode is "smart" enough to strip the extraneous >stuff. Therefore, why bother with extra coding???? Ain't unix >wunnerful? What about just piping like this: | uudecode > filename I just tried this with a uuencoded gzipped file that someone mailed me and it didn't work. BUT, note that this *did* work: | wc > wc.test Does anyone know how to use a pipe in Pine to uudecode? Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 22:42:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11659; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:42:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26260; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:38:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26254; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:38:40 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 23 Dec 94 14:37:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:37:12 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? In-Reply-To: <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 23 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: > >It's all irrelevant. Earlier, on this very group, I found out how todo > >it! Merely set your custom printer to be "uudecode" and print your > >letter - no editing - uudecode is "smart" enough to strip the extraneous > >stuff. Therefore, why bother with extra coding???? Ain't unix > >wunnerful? > > What about just piping like this: > > | uudecode > filename > > I just tried this with a uuencoded gzipped file that someone > mailed me and it didn't work. BUT, note that this *did* work: > > | wc > wc.test > > Does anyone know how to use a pipe in Pine to uudecode? Simply use: | uudecode The file name to be created in in the first line of the uuencoded data. i.e. begin file.gz 666 Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 22:44:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11706; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:44:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26155; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:31:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26149; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:31:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL3De-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How does one read mail from another account? Date: 23 Dec 1994 01:49:14 GMT Message-Id: <3ddaaq$cvg@news.halcyon.com> References: <3dcp28$3s5@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: cleanh2o@halcyon.com writes: >How can I read mail from another account? >I have a shell and PPP account. >I can use AIR Mail to read from either when logged into the PPP account. >I don't know how to read the PPP account mail when in the shell account. >I suspect that the mail -f file command can be used, but how does one incorporate a password? If you use Pine on your shell account you can use IMAP by putting lines like this into your .pinerc: incoming-folders={halcyon.com}inbox folder-collections=mail/[], {halcyon.com}mail/[] Then when you go into Pine's Folder List screen and choose one of the {halcyon.com} items you will be prompted for a userid and password, and you can give your PPP userid. Another possibility is to ask Halcyon to create a Unix group that contains both your userid's and give all your folders -rw-rw---- permission. Then you can use something like this in your .pinerc (suppose cleanh2o is your PPP userid): incoming-folders=/usr/spool/mail/cleanh2o folder-collections=mail/[], /h/cleanh2o/mail/[] NOTE: I don't know if you can change the permission of the spool file (your PPP incoming folder) but I have successfully shared folder-collections within a group. And a final possibility is to forward all your mail to one of your accounts. And use PC-Pine for Windows when you're PPP connected and Unix Pine when you're shell connected. Since Pine uses IMAP you can leave all your folders on your Unix host so they are always accessible. Hope this helps, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 22 23:59:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12889; Thu, 22 Dec 94 23:59:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00799; Thu, 22 Dec 94 23:55:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00793; Thu, 22 Dec 94 23:55:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL4ak-000006C; Thu, 22 Dec 94 23:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: pine for windows? Please! Date: 23 Dec 1994 02:11:25 GMT Message-Id: <3ddbkd$dk9@news.halcyon.com> References: <1994Dec20.015553.3337@muvms6> Status: O X-Status: ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu writes: >Will the PC-Pine 3.1 work with the winsock driver that >Chameleon uses, and if so, can anyone give me an FTP site where I can get >it from. Yep, it works great with Chameleon's Winsock. It's at: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine_w.zip -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 00:06:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13054; Fri, 23 Dec 94 00:06:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27145; Fri, 23 Dec 94 00:02:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27139; Fri, 23 Dec 94 00:02:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL4dm-00000CC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 23:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:37:55 GMT Message-Id: <3ddr83$lkk@news.halcyon.com> References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> Status: O X-Status: Lila Tidningen Skane writes: >I have also installed procmail, but I cant get it to run, so I >migth get some ideas if I find the faq! The hypertext version of the Filtering Mail FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html The plain text version is at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq If you have any suggestions, please send them to me. Thanks, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 03:49:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17596; Fri, 23 Dec 94 03:49:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03514; Fri, 23 Dec 94 03:46:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03502; Fri, 23 Dec 94 03:46:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rL89K-000008C; Fri, 23 Dec 94 03:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Greg Tayman_" Subject: HELP! 3 questions.. Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 01:30:51 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3d8c28$9q1@news.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: First I want to say thank you to the people who helped me awhile back w/ 3.85. As it seems my University now has 3.91 & I now see the benefits, (like posting).. :> Did someone say there is multi-interruption and postponing ??? how many if so? ------------------ As many remember, one bug in 3.85 was the Extremely long wait for mail shifting at the beginning of the month.. Thankfully I found I could postpone the date! Now, that I have 3.91 it hasn't asked me anything about shifting my mail at the beginning the month.. I guess I am missing something? -------------------- The last question is, how do I send a binary file after I upload it to my Unix home directory? I used control-t to go to the browser, brought it in then found lines wrapped making a huge mess. I appreciate any help, as I have found people to be understanding w/ this group.. Thanks for reading, Greg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 06:26:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21144; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:26:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05593; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:21:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05587; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:21:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLAbe-000008C; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Those dang carriage returns > Date: 23 Dec 94 13:58:24 GMT Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: Simba writes: >Why is it that when I write a letter or read a file into Pine, the word >wrap functions perfectly; similarly if I export a letter to the main >directory and open it with the apparently identical editor Pico. >*But* if I send that same message to my PC over the telephone line, even >if I strip out the unix end--of-line characters or commands, every line >still ends in a "hard" carriage return, which shows up on my screen as > What are you seeing this with? >To turn those hard carriage returns into soft ones, so that I can >manipulate the file with my word processor, I have to go through each >paragraph and use a wp command to do so. (The wp is WordStar, and the >command is ctrl-6.) ASCII, which is the normal format for email, has no conception of "soft" CR's. In fact you have to have hard ones there for most browsers to work. Some wp's have the ability to load an ascii file, converting CR's to nothing or to soft CR's. >Any way to work around this problem? Get a conversion/import utility, but I know of none. >Once again I say that the problem is not unix-to-dos; I have that problem >fixed. > - Dan -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 06:26:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21173; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:26:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05609; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:23:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from isisa.oit.unc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05603; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:23:09 -0800 Received: by email.unc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA171121; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:23:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Mitchell X-Sender: pmitchel@isisa.oit.unc.edu To: Thomas KIRCHTAG Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How can pine jump to new mail? In-Reply-To: <3dcabg$9b4@news.tuwien.ac.at> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 22 Dec 1994, Thomas KIRCHTAG wrote: > > I know how to make pine 3.91 jump to say received mail No 13, but how can > i make it jump to the LAST mail in my INBOX? > Use ^W ^V which means, I assumme, search for the bottom. Likewise ^W ^Y jumps to the top. Paul ============================================================================== Paul Mitchell email: paul_mitchell@unc.edu Office of Information Technology phone: (919) 962-2571 University of North Carolina ............................ ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 06:26:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21194; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:26:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05617; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:23:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05611; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:23:17 -0800 Received: by alpha.Teleglobe.CA (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13526; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:23:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? In-Reply-To: <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On 23 Dec 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > What about just piping like this: > > | uudecode > filename > > I just tried this with a uuencoded gzipped file that someone > mailed me and it didn't work. BUT, note that this *did* work: > > | wc > wc.test > > Does anyone know how to use a pipe in Pine to uudecode? Remember that uudecode does not write on standard output but in a file whose name has been specified at uuencode time and stored on the begin line. So to pipe to uudecode you simply | uudecode But you have to be sure you wont overwrite (in your $HOME directory) something that should not. Here is another possible area of difficulty: In a multipart message, you only pipe *the appropriate attachement* that you select from the "View attachments" screen. If you pipe the whole message, uudecode could complain with "No begin line", if it gets confused by the MIME format. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 06:30:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21272; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:30:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01910; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01904; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:26:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLAfP-00000DC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: 23 Dec 94 14:03:38 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Dec18.091911.510@titan.sfasu.edu> <3d7ta9$8jb@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Nancy McGough writes: >bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: >>It's all irrelevant. Earlier, on this very group, I found out how todo >>it! Merely set your custom printer to be "uudecode" and print your >>letter - no editing - uudecode is "smart" enough to strip the extraneous >>stuff. Therefore, why bother with extra coding???? Ain't unix >>wunnerful? >What about just piping like this: > | uudecode > filename >I just tried this with a uuencoded gzipped file that someone >mailed me and it didn't work. BUT, note that this *did* work: Are you sure it didn't work. If there is a filename at the top of a uuencoded message, then it writes to that filename. Just guessing, I have never received a uuencoded message in pine. > | wc > wc.test >Does anyone know how to use a pipe in Pine to uudecode? >Thanks, >Nancy >-- > /\_/\ Nancy McGough >( o.o ) Infinite Ink > > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 07:06:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21986; Fri, 23 Dec 94 07:06:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06003; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:57:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05997; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:57:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLB7C-000008C; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roland@fast.net Subject: Re: pine for windows? Please! Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:27:39 GMT Message-Id: <3demor$rj6@ns.fast.net> References: <3ddbkd$dk9@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: > Nancy McGough writes: >> ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu writes: > >Will the PC-Pine 3.1 work with the winsock driver that > >Chameleon uses, and if so, can anyone give me an FTP site where I can get > >it from. > > Yep, it works great with Chameleon's Winsock. It's at: Also runs with the Trumpet Winsock. Will NOT work with the Spry Winsock.....PC-Pine locks up whenever trying to open a mailbox or folder. Regards Roland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 07:10:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22143; Fri, 23 Dec 94 07:10:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02470; Fri, 23 Dec 94 07:06:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02464; Fri, 23 Dec 94 07:06:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLBHU-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 06:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chris@westnet.westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva) Subject: Re: pine 3.91a Date: 23 Dec 1994 09:27:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3dempe$4ki@westnet.westnet.com> References: <3d74hj$iea@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Ralph, : 3.91a is just 3.91 with the patch that has been posted here previously : applied. (The patch fixes a bug that prevented some pine.conf : variables from being set. Needed if, for example, you want to set a local : email address for the bug report command.) Could this patch be placed on the ftp site, for those of us that missed it being posted? -Chris -- ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 08:47:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24832; Fri, 23 Dec 94 08:47:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07831; Fri, 23 Dec 94 08:44:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07825; Fri, 23 Dec 94 08:44:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLCnF-00000FC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Marty Brenneis Subject: Configuring PC-PINE for windows Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 15:31:19 GMT Status: O X-Status: I am trying to configure PC-PINE to run on my windows machine. I'm running chamelon with a ppp link to my local server and can get the mail with the chamelon mail program. The server runs the version of IMAP that is compatable with pcpine. The place I am unclear is on the proper name for the INBOX. I have RTFM'd but can find no info there. Could someone please give me a clue. Marty "the droid" Brenneis Industrial Magician droid@well.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 09:24:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26272; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:24:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04802; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:22:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04796; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:22:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLDP0-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rubin@setinc.com (Don Rubin) Subject: Cant write temp file for ispell Date: 23 Dec 1994 16:02:01 GMT Message-Id: <3des9p$puv@news.cais.com> Status: O X-Status: I just started reading this newsgroup and from a prior post I discovered how to integrate ispell with pine. I am running pine 3.89 on Linux and when I try to spell check I get the error [Cant write temp file for spell checker] It doesn't say what or where it is trying to do this. Any help would be appreciated! Don From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 09:51:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27032; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:51:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05195; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:47:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05189; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:47:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLDq3-00000EC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Attachments: How to? Date: 23 Dec 1994 16:02:21 GMT Message-Id: <3desad$knn@news.halcyon.com> References: Status: O X-Status: paul_haring@jhuapl.edu (Paul S. Haring) writes: >Many newsreaders can not deal with attachments, CI$ and AOL amoung them. If their mailer/receiver can't deal with attachments isn't the file presented as straight ascii? So, in some sense, they can deal with attachments (but not as nicely as Pine). >What you can do is uuencode the file and include it in the body of your mail >message. Then, assuming they know how to do it and have the tool, the >recipient can uudecode it. That was SOP before attachments came along. Why not MIME encode it, i.e., use Pine's attachment capability, and then the receiver can use something like munpack to Mime UNPACK it. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 09:51:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27053; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:51:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09039; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:47:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09033; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:47:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLDnF-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 09:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jon Peck Subject: Postpone function - help? Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:26:33 -500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: While Composing a message the other day, my screen flashed a warning that the server was about to go down for a backup, and I needed to get off line. For the first time ever, I hit Ctrl-O, the Postpone function. As I understand it, this dumps the incomplete message into a holding area, and I can continue where I left off later. Nice theory. When I got back on line, I opened the appropriate holding area (called "temporary" or something -- whatever it was called, I immediately was able to identify it as the aforementioned holding area). My interrupted message was there, waiting for me. I could read it with no problem, but I couldn't seem to open it in an edit-able format. I tried the Ctrl-C (Compose) command, among others, and got the following prompt: Continue interrupted compositions (answering "n" won't erase it)? [Y]es No Of course, I chose Y. It then returned a message to the effect that there wasn't really an interrupted composition there for me to open. It then moved on to regular mail-reading duties. I was able to utilize my partial message by opening it, going to Reply, and changing the adressee from myself to the intended recipient. The biggest problem was that this put the reply indicators -- the > at the start of each line -- on the saved portions of my original. Now when I try to reply to any message, I get the same "continue interrupted composition?" prompt, with the same "sorry, bub, ain't no such creature" result. What did I do wrong? How can I fix it for next time? Thanks! Jon Peck Tallahassee, FL jon@legal.firn.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 10:41:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28806; Fri, 23 Dec 94 10:41:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10015; Fri, 23 Dec 94 10:37:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.Teleglobe.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10008; Fri, 23 Dec 94 10:37:43 -0800 Received: from prt.Teleglobe.CA by alpha.Teleglobe.CA with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13934; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:38:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Thibaudeau To: Jon Peck Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Postpone function - help? X-Sender: prt@alpha.teleglobe.ca In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 23 Dec 1994, Jon Peck wrote: [...] > When I got back on line, I opened the appropriate holding area (called > "temporary" or something -- whatever it was called, I immediately was > able to identify it as the aforementioned holding area). My interrupted > message was there, waiting for me. I could read it with no problem, but I > couldn't seem to open it in an edit-able format. I tried the Ctrl-C > (Compose) command, among others, and got the following prompt: > Continue interrupted compositions (answering "n" won't erase it)? > [Y]es > No > > Of course, I chose Y. > It then returned a message to the effect that there wasn't really an > interrupted composition there for me to open. It then moved on to regular > mail-reading duties. [...] The (C)ompose command will offer you to "Continue postponed composition" from anywhere *but* will not work within the postponed-msgs folder itself. -- Pierre Thibaudeau | e-mail: TELEGLOBE CANADA | 1000, rue de La Gauchetiere ouest | Tel: +1-514-868-7538 Montreal, Qc H3B 4X5 | Canada | fax: +1-514-868-7257 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 16:20:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09574; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:20:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15566; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:17:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15560; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:17:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLJsm-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 15:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How can pine jump to new mail? Date: 23 Dec 1994 08:57:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3dcabg$9b4@news.tuwien.ac.at> Status: O X-Status: pmitchel@email.unc.edu (Paul Mitchell) writes: >Use ^W ^V which means, I assumme, search for the bottom. Likewise ^W ^Y >jumps to the top. Actually it's just: W ^V And if that doesn't work try: W [Esc] [Esc] V It would be nice if Pine had a variable you could set so that you would always be presented with the last page of the index... -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough ( o.o ) Infinite Ink > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ -OR- http://www.best.com/~ii/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 16:32:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09834; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:32:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11923; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:28:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11917; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:28:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLK44-00000EC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 16:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Attachment problems? Message-Id: <71MVBWII@math.fu-berlin.de> References: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 00:05:39 GMT Status: O X-Status: Judd Deaver writes: >It was brought to my attention that problems may occur with sending large >(over 1MB) files attached to e-mail messages to a large number of people. >Is there a problem? If so how would I avoid it. To avoid loss of biiig mails - cut it up into smaller chunks. I forget what a good lower boud would be, but I suggest 100Kb per part. Sven From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 17:25:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11668; Fri, 23 Dec 94 17:25:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16651; Fri, 23 Dec 94 17:22:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16645; Fri, 23 Dec 94 17:22:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLKuX-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 17:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Looking for an Autoresponder program for Email Message-Id: References: <3cpo2i$fmo@news.cs.tulane.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 00:56:10 GMT Status: O X-Status: Lila Tidningen Skane writes: >> Check out procmail. (as usual it is in the FAQ (Filter FAq to be exact.) >> ftp rtfm.mit.edu to get the faq. >Maybe I am stupid, but I could not find a faq on pine in mentioned ftp site. Please read again - "Filter FAQ". Not "Pine FAQ". >I have also installed procmail, but I cant get it to run, >so I might get some ideas if I find the faq! If you have "procmail" then you you check the examples it ships with. Sven === References Subject: Filtering Mail FAQ Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.pine,comp.answers,news.answers From: Nancy McGough Date: 16 Dec 1994 10:00:09 GMT Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, Washington, USA Followup-To: comp.mail.misc Lines: 858 Archive-name: mail/filtering-faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 17 November 1994 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 18:31:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12839; Fri, 23 Dec 94 18:31:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13765; Fri, 23 Dec 94 18:29:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13759; Fri, 23 Dec 94 18:28:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLLw2-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 18:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Judd Deaver Subject: Attachment problems? Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:27:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: It was brought to my attention that problems may occur with sending large (over 1MB) files attached to e-mail messages to a large number of people. The person who told me this had no information other then the attachment might be lost. Is there a problem? If so how would I avoid it. Is MIME protocol a standard that would allow me to do this? These messages might be sent through LAN's and to server's. It must be able to go intact to almost all types of connections. Any help is appreciated. jdeaver@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 21:03:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15467; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:03:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19145; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:00:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19139; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:00:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLOLR-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 20:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Saxon Subject: Killfile? Date: 23 Dec 1994 23:06:40 GMT Message-Id: <3dfl60$45j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: I read a couple of newsgroups with some rather prolific writers :-(. Is there any way to set up a kill file, like rn and nn have? Thanks, Michael Saxon University of Illinois msaxon@montana.cba.uiuc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 23 21:58:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16400; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:58:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16070; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:55:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16064; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:55:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLP9j-00000BC; Fri, 23 Dec 94 21:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs4.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Re: Customizing Pine Date: 23 Dec 1994 22:01:36 GMT Message-Id: <3dfhc0$r2f@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: <3d6r9f$1vg@csi0.csi.UOttawa.CA> Status: O X-Status: Tahirah Shadforth wrote: : I would like to make my favorite mail program more user-friendly : for me (it already is a great program ;). All that I've been able : to do is change the YOU HAVE NEW MAIL to a more personalized : message. Does anyone out there have any more ideas? : What else can I do? Most likely, that is found in your .login file and is an environment variable. You can edit it there or reset it in your shell rc file. -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ --- The human mind treats a new idea the way the body treats a strange --- protein -- it rejects it. --- -- P. Medawar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 09:28:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28354; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:28:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27535; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:25:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27529; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:25:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLZsh-000006C; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lbrodsky@earth (Lloyd Brodsky/Rock Solid Communications) Subject: Re: Attachment problems? Date: 24 Dec 1994 16:51:54 GMT Message-Id: <3dhjja$52c@earth.usa.net> References: <71MVBWII@math.fu-berlin.de> Status: O X-Status: Sven Guckes (guckes@inf.fu-berlin.de) wrote: : Judd Deaver writes: : >It was brought to my attention that problems may occur with sending large : >(over 1MB) files attached to e-mail messages to a large number of people. : >Is there a problem? If so how would I avoid it. : To avoid loss of biiig mails - cut it up into smaller chunks. : I forget what a good lower boud would be, but I suggest 100Kb per part. : Sven I might add that many hosts put a limit on either how large an individual mail message might be or how much storage an individual's mail may take up or both. -- * Lloyd Brodsky, Phd Internet: lbrodsky@rocksolid.com * * Rock Solid Communications * * 2755 S. Locust St., #221 Voice: 303-758-7030 Fax: 303-758-7277 * * Denver, Colorado 80222-7132, USA * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 10:01:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28854; Sat, 24 Dec 94 10:01:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24204; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:57:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24198; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:57:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLaSC-000006C; Sat, 24 Dec 94 09:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wren@io.nosc.mil (Wren Lee) Subject: Re: Attachment problems? Date: 24 Dec 1994 17:29:20 GMT Message-Id: <3dhlpg$sr7@pandora.sdsu.edu> References: <71MVBWII@math.fu-berlin.de> <3dhjja$52c@earth.usa.net> Status: O X-Status: Lloyd Brodsky/Rock Solid Communications (lbrodsky@earth) wrote: : Sven Guckes (guckes@inf.fu-berlin.de) wrote: : : Judd Deaver writes: : : >It was brought to my attention that problems may occur with sending large : : >(over 1MB) files attached to e-mail messages to a large number of people. : : >Is there a problem? If so how would I avoid it. : I might add that many hosts put a limit on either how large an individual : mail message might be or how much storage an individual's mail may take : up or both. :: How can one find out what the limitations are on specific hosts? :: Our mailhub candidates are HP 7xx running hpux (Sys V) and Sun :: running BSD 4.2. -- aloha, /wren wren lee, Systems Engineer, SAIC Comsystems Office:(808) 471 5475 Fax:(808) 471 7062 Email: wren@nosc.mil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 11:58:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00695; Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:58:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29086; Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:53:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29080; Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:53:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLcH6-00000FC; Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) Subject: GUIDE> PineTutorial Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:29:21 GMT Message-Id: <1994Dec24.192921.19291@math.utah.edu> Status: O X-Status: ----> Pine Tutorial <---- --> Rev. 2 <-- UDOC: To receive information on UDOC, my distribution list, or to subscribe send mail to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu. Guides sites: Gopher: leopard.east-slc.edu in "Guides" WWW: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/guides.html/ This is a step-by-step tutorial for beginners in pine. This does not cover many advanced or uncommon features or configuration. I am currently writing "Intermediate Pine", "Advanced Pine", and "Configuring Pine". Please send all comments, requests for guides, or requests to get on my mailing list to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu This tutorial is based on version 3.89 with default set-up. Part 1-Composing a message: 1)type 'pine' at your prompt to load pine. If you have a non-shell interface do whatever is necessary to launch pine. 2)You are now at the main menu: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX 0 Messages ? HELP - Get help using Pine C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send a message I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder to view A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book S SETUP - Configure or update Pine Q QUIT - Exit the Pine program Copyright 1989-1993. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. ? Help P PrevCmd R RelNotes O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type 'c' to enter the composition screen. 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 COMPOSE MESSAGE Folder: INBOX 0 Messages To : Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : ----- Message Text ----- ^G Get Help ^C Cancel ^R Rich Hdr ^K Del Line ^O Postpone ^X Send ^D Del Char ^J Attach ^U UnDel Line^T To AddrBk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "To:" field is who you want to send the message to. For this tutorial put your own login name in. You will be sending a message to your self. To : calfeld Pine should expand this to your full name (this is only done for people who are on the same system as you are.) To : Chris Alfeld 4) Leave the Cc: field blank. If you were to put a address in here a copy of your letter would be sent to that address. 5) Leave Attchmnt: field blank as well. This is used to attach files to a letter. 6) Enter a subject for your letter. When you receive mail the mail will be listed with only the subject shown, you can then choose which letter you wish to read completely. To : Chris Alfeld Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : Tutorial Letter 7) Now enter your message. (Pine uses the editor pico by default. I have not included instructions on pico here but may in another paper) ----- Message Text ----- This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. 8) Type ^T to check the spelling of your message. 9) Type ^X to send the message. Answer 'y' or just press return to: Send message? [y] : 10) You should now be back at the main menu. If you get a message that messes up your screen don't worry; just type ^L and all will be fine again. Now proceed to part 2. Part 2-Reading a message. 1) Get to the main menu of pine. If you are already here from part 1 quit by typing 'Q' and relaunch pine. 2) Type 'I' to enter the folder index: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER INDEX Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 1 NEW + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter [Folder "INBOX" opened with 1 message] ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg] N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will see the line: + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter A B C D E F A: A plus represents that this letter is addressed to you, rather than a mailing list, or mail alias. B: N represent that this is a new letter. C: This is the date it was sent. D: This is who the letter is for. E: This is how many characters are in the letter. F: This is the subject of the letter. 3) Use the arrow keys or 'P' and 'N' until the correct line is highlighted and press return. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MESSAGE TEXT Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 2 100% Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:03:26 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Alfeld To: Chris Alfeld Subject: Tutorial Letter This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward 4) You may now do many things with this letter. You can delete (D) it if you have no more interest in it. You can save it (S) if you would like to keep it. You can export (E) it to a file. You can reply (R) to it. You can forward (F) it to another person. Or you can leave it in your inbox wasting precious disk space and forcing the computer to tell you that you have mail every time you log in. Two notes on replying. On almost ALL posabilities you want to answer 'n' to a question of "Reply to all receipents?". The "Include original message in Reply?" question if answered yes will copy the contents of the current letter to the letter you will be sending in return. For this tutorial we will delete the message with the "D" command. Last note: It is not a good idea to leave mail in the inbox. Either delete it with 'D' or save it with 'S'. It will ask you at some point if you wish to expunge deleted messages. Answer 'y'. Part 3-Adding an address to the address book. 1)Launch pine. 2)At the main menu press 'a'. 3)Press 'a' to add a address. 4) New full name (last, first) : Enter the last name and first name of the person that owns the address. This is for your reference only. New full name (last, first) : Alfeld, Chris 5) Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : This is what you will type into the "To:" field to send a message to the address you are entering. Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : chris 6) Enter new e-mail address : Enter the e-mail address. Enter new e-mail address : calfeld@east.east-slc.edu 7) If you did the one above you can now enter 'chris' into the 'To: ' field of any message and it will send the message to me. 8)If you wish to delete an entry: select the entry with the arrow keys or 'n' and 'p' and press 'd'. If you wish to edit the entry either select it and press 'e' or you the arrow keys to select the part you wish to edit and press ' return'. Part 4-Viewing old mail. 1)Enter pines main menu. 2)Press 'L' to enter the folder list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER LIST Folder: INBOX 0 Messages INBOX sent-mail saved-messages ? Help M Main Menu P PrevFldr - PrevPage D Delete R Rename O OTHER CMDS V [ViewFldr] N NextFldr Spc NextPage A Add ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3)Select the folder you wish to view and press return. INBOX is the folder where new mail is. sent-mail is where the messages you send are kept. saved-messages is where messages you saved are kept. 3)You can now process the messages here just like those in the inbox. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 12:13:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00906; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:13:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25642; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:08:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25636; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:08:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLcSd-000006C; Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) Subject: GUIDE> PineIntermediate Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:31:19 GMT Message-Id: <1994Dec24.193119.19452@math.utah.edu> Status: O X-Status: @@@ Pine Intermediate @@@ @@@@@@@@ Rev. 1 @@@@@@@@@ To subscribe to UDOC, my distribution list, or to receive info on the list send mail to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu. Guides sites: Gopher: leopard.east-slc.edun in "Guides" WWW: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/guides.html/ This guide teaches Folder Management and Attachments for pine. Although the version used here is 3.89 there should be few differences for version close to 3.89. Contents: Section 1 - Folder Management What is a folder? The INBOX Creating a folder. Deleting a folder. Renaming a folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Saving to folders. Section 2 - Attachments What is an attachment? The Attchmnt: field. Control-J Viewing/Saving attachments. Compatibility with other mail readers. Section 1 What is a folder? A folder is a file stored in your mail directory (Typically ~/mail) in which you can store messages you wish to save. You can have as many folders as you wish as long is they do not fill up your disk space. Pine creates some folders by itself: sent-mail : this is a folder where the mail you send is saved by default (see Fcc: in advanced pine). saved-messages : this is the default folder for you to save messages to. sent-mail-- : every month pine asks you if you wish to copy your sent-mail folder to a folder called sent-mail--. This is to better organize the mail you send. The INBOX The INBOX is a special folder that is not in your ~/mail directory. The INBOX is the file that the mail spooler appends incoming mail to. It is normally /var/spool/mail/. Creating a folder. There are two major ways to create a folder. The first way is to go to the folder list (L) and type 'A'. You are then asked for a name of a folder and that folder is added. The second way is to enter the name of a non-existing folder when it asks you where you wish to save the message when you do a save-message command. It will then ask you if you want to create the folder and merely by pressing 'y' you can cause the new folder to be created. Deleting a folder. To delete a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to delete, and type 'D'. Renaming a folder. To rename a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to rename and type 'R'. It will then ask you for a new name for the folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Folders are only text files and as such can be manipulated by the shell. Here are some common operations and how to do them with the shell: delete folder : rm -f ~/mail/ create folder : echo ""> ~/mail/ rename folder : mv ~/mail/ ~/mail/ merge folders : cat ~/mail/ ~/mail/ (etc) > ~/mail/ These can be done from anywhere. By changing to the directory ~/mail you can skip the ~/mail/ section of the above commands. Saving to folders. While reading a message you can type 'S' to save the current message to a folder. You can also do this at the folder index screen. When you type 'S' it asks you what folder you wish to save the message to and provides a default (normally saved-messages). Here you can either enter a name of a folder that exists and it will save the message to that folder and delete it from the current folder (remember the INBOX is a folder). You can also type in the name of a non-existent folder and it will offer to create that folder for you. It is also posable to type Control-T and use the arrow keys to pick a folder to save it to. Section 2 What is an attachment? An attachment is a file or set of files that are added to the letter in such a way that pine does not show there contents. This is useful if you are sending a file that makes no sense normally: M% ")'2 @J\4 +^/& "])P@ X , >/^])RP OZ^( *2O"@ $) < !20\ M. ( ) ""[,] Ex: 1. /u/vi/calfeld/doc/guides/pine_intermediate (1 K) "Guide to pine" However pine has a feature that makes this unnecessary. It is the control-J command and is described next. Control-J By pressing Control-J while in the header have the option of adding an attachment. When you type Control-J it will ask you for the path of the file to attach. If you desire you can type Control-T and use a file interface to choose a file. After you have chosen a file to attach it will ask you for a comment. You can just press return if here if you do not wish to include a comment. After the comment is entered the line will appear in your Attchmnt: field. Viewing/Saving attachments. When you receive a letter that contains attachments you will see at some point near the beginning of the letter something like this: [Part 2, "Comment" Text 20 lines] [Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part] and in the header: Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 3 lines Text 2 OK 20 lines Text, "Comment" -------------------------------------- To view an attachment use the 'v' command. This will ask you wish attachment you wish to view or save. #1 is the message itself. Choose which one you wish to process and type its number. It will now ask you if you wish to view the attachment (v) or save it (s). If you choose save it will prompt you for a file to save the attachment as. If you choose view it will open the Viewer which allows you to view, save, search, and print the attachment. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 12:30:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01207; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:30:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29452; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29446; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:27:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLco3-000006C; Sat, 24 Dec 94 12:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Vaca@voyager.cris.com (Vaca) Subject: MULTIPLE USERS??? Date: 24 Dec 1994 15:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3dhuvh$me7@voyager.cris.com> Status: O X-Status: Is there a way to allow for two users on one editor? I was thinking, that pine (or an add-on) might read the TO: header. FOr instance my friend wants to share a mailbox with her othe friend.. the mailbox it persona@cow.com and she is always getting other email. IC ould send a message to "persona@cow.com" Person a or person b IF the program could look for other names, and stash those in a separte directory, and leave all those addresssed to the mailbox (with no other info, or addresssed to other user) then VOILA! Anyone know of a program to do this? This would be a nice addition to the next version. MY 2 cents -- VSM Images | | Support your Vaca@cris.com | "Neener." --Aaron Burr | local dairy --------------- --------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 17:57:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05810; Sat, 24 Dec 94 17:57:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29303; Sat, 24 Dec 94 17:54:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29297; Sat, 24 Dec 94 17:54:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLhsd-000006C; Sat, 24 Dec 94 17:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: 24 Dec 1994 16:36:49 -0600 Message-Id: <3di7q1$3jm@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> References: <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> Status: O X-Status: In article , Ed Greshko wrote: > Simply use: > > | uudecode > > The file name to be created in in the first line of the uuencoded >data. i.e. begin file.gz 666 Excuse me for my ignorance - I only use this "trick" every other day or so, but why is everybody assuming that you have to use the " | " command? On the main screen choose setup. Choose printer. Choose 3. Type in uudecode Nothing else, no " | ", no file name. Read the uuencoded message (or view the mime attached uuencoded message). Type "Y" to print. Uudecode does the rest. file.gz appears in your mail directory. mv it where you want it. With this kind of simple solution, it's no wonder that pine has no "built-in" uudecode. Try it, you'll like it :-) -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 24 22:05:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08990; Sat, 24 Dec 94 22:05:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05481; Sat, 24 Dec 94 22:02:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05475; Sat, 24 Dec 94 22:02:14 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01462; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 01:02:56 +0500 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 01:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: goblins in Pine? In-Reply-To: <3dc2mj$jpl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1317 Status: O X-Status: On 22 Dec 1994, Michael Parson wrote: > >Mac Duo 230, 4 meg ram, system 7.1, > >Global Village Teleport Gold II mmodem, > > This guy is probably the source of a few of your problems. The GV modems > do not come with any form of error correction out of the box. I know > because my girlfriend just got a PPC Performa, and this modem was > included in the package. When I read through the documentation, it said > that error correction and data compression were available at an extra > cost (on a 14.4k modem!). Depends on exactly which Global Village modem it is. The Teleport Gold Judith mentioned is a V.34bis modem with error correction and data compression. Many of the Performas come with less capable GV modems which, IMNSHO, should be trashed. Apple never has been able to get its corporate act together when it comes to modems. > >but I use Pine when in shell account [Z Term 0.9]. > > Great program! It is what I use to login when I use Macs at work. Except that ZTerm doesnt know what to do with vt100/102 print commands, so Pine's attached-to-ansi print command (y) doesn't work as expected. Aside from that, ZTerm is easily the best bang for the buck ($40 shareware) in Mac telecomm software. ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:50:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11174; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07181; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07175; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoNl-00000FC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scotts@bga.com (Scott Steves) Subject: Re: WTB: Rollerblades size 10 or so Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:23:55 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Dec22.082924.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <1994Dec22.082924.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifyc445@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu wrote: > Does anyone have any size 10 rollerblades for sale? How about accessories? > > Thanks. Yes, I've got some size 10 Bauer XT7s with brand new wheels that I'd be willing to sell for not much at all. They're just kinda taking up space right now. Send me some mail at scotts@bga.com if you're still interested. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:50:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11216; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03634; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03628; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoNp-00000NC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wnoble@teleport.com (Will Noble) Subject: Watch Repair (Hamilton Electrics) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:02:08 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Folks: A footnote to my previous posting...I'm told that there's a fellow in California by the name of Rene Rondeux (sp?) who is the "authority" for repair of Hamilton Electric watches (#500 and #505 movements). Anybody got any info on Mr. Rondeux? I'd be grateful if an address/phone # would wind up in my electronic Christmas stocking.... Thanks again! - Will Noble (wnoble@teleport.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:51:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11259; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07197; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07191; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoNs-00000YC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iradford@u.washington.edu (Ian Simpson) Subject: FS: Audio Control Car Audio Components Date: 23 Dec 1994 01:30:35 GMT Message-Id: <3dd97r$a4k@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Status: O X-Status: I've got a pair of AudioControl EQT Series Twos for sale, and one 4XS from my old system. The EQTs are 1/3 octave constant Q equalizers with preamp. The 4XS is a 4-channel 2-way, or two-channel 3-way crossover with non-fading bass level. Slopes are 18dB/octave -- all x-over levels are configurable. EQT (pair) -- like new condition asking $500.00 4XS -- $125.00 e-mail replies or call 632-3027 (Seattle) Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:52:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11288; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:52:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03650; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03644; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoNv-00000eC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scotts@bga.com (Scott Steves) Subject: Re: austin drivers suck Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:34:11 GMT Message-Id: References: <3c0nmq$5qb@giga.bga.com> <3d7lgu$3n9@illuminati.io.com> Status: O X-Status: In article , deborahk@acad.stedwards.edu (Deborah Kilgore) wrote: > In article <3d7lgu$3n9@illuminati.io.com> fruitbat@io.com (fruitbat) writes: > > >I am new to Austin, from California, (yeah yeah, I know) and I have > >seen more accidents here in six months than I did in two years of living > >in Santa Cruz. And it is not just Austin, I think Texas drivers suck. > >Texans should spend a year in LA so they can learn *how* to drive. _no_one_ should have to live in LA for a year, much less to learn how to drive. > > I was thinking the same thing when I moved here from DC a year ago. Easy Answer: Go back wherever you came from, please; really. Slightly Less Easy Answer: If you think it's bad here, please go live in San Antonio for a few months, where the m.o. is to pretend that you're asleep,and thus can't be bothered to notice where you've pointed your car. If you live through that, then you can come back and whine about Austin drivers! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:52:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11309; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:52:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07213; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07207; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoNy-00000lC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlowe@teleport.com (Reinhold Van Buren) Subject: Jack Irons! Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:08:44 Pacific Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Wow, I can't believe that Jack Irons is FINALLY going to be in the spotlight. He's such an underrated musician. A lot of people are familiar with the Chili Peppers' earlier stuff, but hardly anybody knows who he his, and how without him Eddie would probably be some kind of unknown...wow. I hope he gets laid a lot. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:53:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11338; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:53:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03687; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03660; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoO1-00000rC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kdavis@teleport.com (Ken Davis) Subject: Re: scanner help Date: 24 Dec 1994 22:18:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3dj2r7$o36@linda.teleport.com> References: <3d5ili$7jk@newsbf02.news-fddi.aol.com> Status: O X-Status: Sheptai (sheptai@aol.com) wrote: : A great place to pick up old possibly unmodified scanners would : be your local pawn shops. If some of you would post the model : types that you can pick up cellular bands with, we could look : for those models. : Also, if the frequencies of the cellular bands could be posted, : we would be able to test the scanners to see if they are working : properly. : Thanx : Sheptai As far as I know, the last handheld Rat Shack scanner which was easily modified was the pro-37. The pro-43 could be modified but took a little more skill with the pinpoint solder tools. The current us versions of the inexpensive scanners have the lock out of cell bands built in to the pll circuit. This is rumored, I don't know for sure if that is the method. The older, mid-priced pro series were international designs altered with diodes for each nations market, hence easy mods. If someone wants the mod for a pro-37, I will dig it up 'n post it. If you have $1400.00 US to spend, there are plenty of "continuous" coverage radio scanners available in _73_ or _Popular Communications_. Anyone want to pay an obsene amount of money for one of mine? seeya kd -- kdavis@teleport.com|kdavis8@pnw.nOt My opinions are my own,as far as I know. GCM d- H- s+++:+++ g+++ p4+ au---- a40 w+++ v-* C+++ UC P+ L+ 3- E---- N+++ K W++++ M-- V- po-- Y+ t+ 5- J++ R- G''' tv-- b++++ D+ B--- e+ u** h+ f+r-- n--- y+ (y*) HTTP://www.teleport.com/~kdavis/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:57:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11419; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:57:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07284; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:54:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07278; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:54:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoO5-00000zC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scotts@bga.com (Scott Steves) Subject: TrailOfLights.die.die.die Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:52:22 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I don't know if you've inflicted this sorry excuse for a holiday event on yourselves yet, but I'd reccommend that you give it a miss. This is nothing more or less than a feeble attempt to emulate San Antonio's Riverwalk in ZilkerPark, and they don't even serve margaritas! The only attraction worthy of the trip is the Zilker Christmas Tree, which is indeed a wonderful thing, and if you haven't made yourself hopelessly, giddily dizzy by standing underneath it and spinning around until you loose all equilibrium, then you're missing out on one of the true joys of the holiday season in Austin. This whole trail of lights thing is absolutely worthless. Fully 1/2 of the "attractions" (?) are so old that I remember seing them scattered around the christmas tree itself when I was only a tyke, and nobody cared about them then, they were there to spin around under the tree, or goof on everyone else spinning around, and when that got old, well, the little booths were ok. Now it's suddenly supposed to be some big deal and we have to totally shut down everyting so that people can drive around and look at the stupid things from _inside_their_cars_? I heard that they're even selling tickets, like it's an amusement park ride or something - Sheesh! To make it even worse, the direction of traffic in the area is totally undecipherable. Why are they routing traffic on Robert E. Lee through the parking lots for the softball fields? When is through traffic allowed on Barton Springs in the Zilker Area, and in which directions? Do you need a ticket to get from MoPac to Barton Springs Road? This is something that seems to change like the prevailing winds. I'm tired of all this nonsense. Put the "attractions back by the tree, provide patrols to keep people from parking in Barton Springs, and quit trying to make some big goat rodeo out of a flea circus! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:57:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11440; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:57:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03729; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:55:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03723; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:55:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoO9-000013C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: joes@bga.com (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: Residential Speeders--Grrrrr.... Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:14:30 -0600 Message-Id: <3div3m$878@lia.bga.com> References: <3dg1pt$s0s@giga.bga.com> <3dhqqc$anu@boris.eden.com> Status: O X-Status: In <3dg1pt$s0s@giga.bga.com>, roberta@bga.com (Roberta Becker) writes: >So I'm wondering: other than flipping these people off, what can I >do about this? Can I lobby to get a speed bump put in? Will calling >the cops help at all? Has anyone out there ever dealt with this >problem successfully? I need to do something before I start tossing >rocks at miscreant vehicles :-| forget the speed bump, don't punish everyone (including yourself) to slow someone down. pick up that phone and use it. you'll need to be able to positively identify the driver, get a GOOD look at his face. let your fingers do the bumping... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:57:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11461; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:57:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07304; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:55:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07298; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:55:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOb-00001pC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: samaritans@cix.compulink.co.uk ("The Samaritans") Subject: Test Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:28:11 GMT Status: O X-Status: ignore From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 00:59:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11498; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:59:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07324; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:56:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07318; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:56:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOd-00001vC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: szamos@saul6.u.washington.edu (Janos Szamosfalvi) Subject: Re: Let's talk about welfare... Date: 23 Dec 1994 01:52:47 GMT Message-Id: <3ddahf$5n1@news.u.washington.edu> References: <3d3k4t$j3d@news.halcyon.com> <3d8sme$jag@news.u.washington.edu> Status: O X-Status: Katherine Heck (kheck@u.washington.edu) wrote: : On 21 Dec 1994, Janos Szamosfalvi wrote: : > : > What they want is to reduce teen pregnancies/childbirths. Which isn't : > unreasonable. And in the long run, that should translate into some : > monetary savings. : > : > : Wanting to reduce teen pregnancies and births is not unreasonable. : Taking mothers' children away from them, and throwing people out on the : street, as a means of doing so, is unreasonable IMHO. There are other : means of preventing teen pregnancy which have been tried and have worked : -- but no one seems to want to do it the kinder & gentler way these days. Could you name those "other means"? 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M?"@.W%'4KV=TPWJD<*["!ZNANB>2]'D#BYS/=WBNG*/Z'F;[7D9.6'6F.W;" END--cut here--cut here---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:45:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13453; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:45:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04665; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04659; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:37:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLob9-0000RIC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Konstantin E. Mihaylov Subject: torgowoe OBORUDOWANIE.televki wseh tipow.(095)962 02 63. Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:17:25 +0300 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: tELEVKI WSEH TIPOW:DLQ PEREWOZKI PALET,HOLODILXNIKOW,KOROBOW I DR.GRUZOW. ûÔÁÂÅÌÅÒÙ ÄÌÑ ÒÁÚÇÒÕÚËÉ Á×ÔÏÍÏÂÉÌÅÊ É ÓËÌÁÄÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÇÒÕÚÏ×,ÔÏÒÇÏ×ÙÅ ËÏÔÅÊÎÅÒÙ,ÔÅÌÅÖËÉ É ËÏÒÚÉÎÙ ÄÌÑ óÕÐÅÒÍÁÒËÅÔÏ×. . From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:46:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13522; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:46:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08268; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:38:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08262; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:38:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobb-0000S4C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: trijacque@aol.com (TriJacque) Subject: Re: Supplements ? Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:55:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3diu07$he2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3dcbcb$ekc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Status: O X-Status: I have taken Bodywise Am/PM and had a good experience. They are nothing more than high dose multiple vitamins. They are not like speed. I am a physician and can speak with some authority on this. I also take the Bodywise Oxy-G. I have improved much faster than I would have expected since starting them about a year ago. I doubt I need them all but I am afraid to stop for fear of regressing. What i think they do is provide the optimum cellular micro-environment for optimum metabolism and repair. You can save about 25% on the cost by becoming a dealer. If you can't do it through your distributor I can help you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:47:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13579; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:47:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04724; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:39:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04716; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:39:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobC-0000ROC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Lloyd Subject: Re: pnw.net service Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:16:24 GMT Message-Id: <3div79$7c3@brookes.pnw.net> References: <3daesb$6ou@brookes.pnw.net> Status: O X-Status: I switched to the Trumpet Winsock 2.0B using SLIP and it works fine, though I haven't figured out how to setup login scripts. The screws up if I try to use PPP but I finally figured to not mess with it if it was working. Does anyone know if the commercial version of Chameleon is easier to set up? Mark From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:48:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13633; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:48:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08326; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:40:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08320; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:40:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobe-0000SAC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tonywu@u800620.SHYR.AB.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Re: Two drives and LILO? Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:50:01 GMT Message-Id: <3dj169$i9p@Emerald.Oz.nthu.edu.tw> References: <3ditt4$6l4@garuda.csulb.edu> Status: O X-Status: Barry Sohl (sohl@csulb.edu) wrote: : I'm running Slackware on a 486/66 system and I just purchased a second : IDE hard drive. I'd like to use a WD 420 for Linux, and a WD 730 for : DOS/Windoze. Can I have the 730 as my c: drive, boot that drive, and : then when I select -Linux have it boot off the 420 d: drive? If this is : possible what do I need to do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sure, install lilo on WD 420. Run "setup" which is a menu-driven setup utility in Slackware distribution. Follow its instructions and get your lilo installed :) You can also use loadlin which can boot linux up from msdos prompt. Pas. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:51:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13764; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:51:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04849; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:42:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04843; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:42:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobH-0000RUC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bb@sequent.com (Bruce Batten) Subject: LIONEL Train Wanted Message-Id: <1994Dec25.023838.1826@sequent.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:38:38 GMT Status: O X-Status: I collect and operate Lionel trains of all gauges, and would like to add to my collection. I am most interested in trains from the 1945-1969 era. If you have any old Lionel trains that you would like to sell, please let me make you an offer. Just let me know the 2, 3 or 4 digit numbers found on the unit, along with a brief description of the condition. Thanks! Bruce Batten 503-524-4608 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:58:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13955; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:58:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04908; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:45:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04899; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:44:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobl-0000SLC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rlscott@ti.com (Raymond Scott) Subject: Ever heard of AmeriCom? Date: 20 Dec 1994 17:06:35 GMT Message-Id: <3d72ur$cli@dsk92.itg.ti.com> Status: O X-Status: Has anyone ever heard of or have experiences dealing with a call back service provider called AmeriCom? Raymond Scott rlscott@ti.com  From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:59:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14012; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:59:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05049; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:49:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05031; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:49:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobU-0000RsC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mtrcty@tc.fluke.COM (Doug Graham) Subject: >>OLYMPIA HOUSE FOR RENT<< Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 03:24:56 GMT Status: O X-Status: Three bedroom rambler style home with 1 3/4 baths. 2 car attached garage with opener. 1/2 acre lot in lovely pastoral setting near new golf course 15-20 minutes to McChord, or Ft. Lewis. 15-20 minutes to downtown Olympia and Lacey. Easy access to I-5. Complete with washer/dryer/refrigerator/ microwave. Romantic wood burning fireplace. Skylights in family room and master bathroom. $850.00/mo. Call 206.286.3172, or e-mail for more info. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Douglas B. Graham ASE Certified Master Mechanic Senior Automotive Product Specialist L1 Advanced Engine Performance Fluke Corporation "I will gladly do without the Everett, Washington necessities of life, if you 206.356.6479. Tel. allow me a few of the luxuries" 206.356.5108 Fax. - Frank Lloyd Wright From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:03:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14257; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:03:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05016; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:48:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05008; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:48:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobr-0000SYC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmellor@uoguelph.ca (Micheal G Mellor) Subject: .... Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:33:09 GMT Message-Id: <3dj3n5$aae@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: So I guess nobody's on cos' it's x-mas eve. Sheesh, I woulda thought that at least Jason and Joey woulda been here. But, you're not. Junior's really boring when you're writing to yourself. I'm going to see my father tomorrow, wish me luck *cringe* bye now. Oh. I'm in a better mood now. That wave of depression I'm sure will return, always does. It comes along more often than any other mood so get used to it *grin* Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14297; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:04:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05000; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:48:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04994; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:48:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobR-0000RmC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Wilker_a@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Wilkerson) Subject: Lisp routine Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:54:21 GMT Message-Id: <3dj8fd$cdi@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know of a lisp routine that will convert all lowercase text to uppercase text. To sit there and retype the text is a real pain. Thanks, Andrew D. Wilkerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:04:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14327; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:04:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04897; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:44:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04891; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:44:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobL-0000RaC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: meh@csn.net (Mike Haws) Subject: Convert PCL5 to PCL4 ? Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:55:32 GMT Message-Id: <3dj1gk$a6p@news-2.csn.net> Status: O X-Status: Does there exist a utility for converting HP PCL level 5 output to Level 4. I have an application(Wabi 2.0) that only knows how to talk to level 5 but all I have is an HPLJII(level 4). Email if you would. Thanks Michael From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:05:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14427; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:05:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08846; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:56:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08840; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:56:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobo-0000SRC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- faksmodemy WNUTR. USRobotics Courier V.Everything V.32bis/Terbo/V.FC/V.34,(28800bps DANNYE,14400bps FAKS),$610(ILI RUBLI),SO SKLADA W mOSKWE M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,238-3711 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:37:55 +0300 Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:08:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14586; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:08:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05278; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:56:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05272; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:56:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoc3-0000SwC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pasaplsn@bnr.ca (Mary Ellen Foster) Subject: Re: names for TWIN BOYS Date: 20 Dec 1994 16:58:18 GMT Message-Id: <3d72fa$nu3@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <1994Dec19.164231.38524@bsuvc.bsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article , Ray Girvan wrote: |00nzwilliams@bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: | |>> pangm@iia.org (Mark Pang) said... |>>> A friend of mine is looking for nature oriented |>>> names relating to his last name GREEN. |> John Quill Green |> [sic] Lee Green | |P Green and C Green? M Roald Green, R Lev Green, |Leif Green, Liam Green, Perry Green? | Lohan Green? (Shamelessly adapted from a line from the Muppet Show) MEF -- Mary Ellen Foster, BNR co-op student (disregard any other name in header) Send all mail to: ao715@freenet.carleton.ca (or via BNR COCOS) Speaking only for myself. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:08:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14613; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:08:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08407; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:42:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08401; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:42:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobh-0000SGC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flypba@netcom.com (Gordon Werner) Subject: F16Takeoff.mov, part 08/31 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 23:40:48 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hello There... This is a QuickTime movie of an F-16 Fighter at Takeoff. This is a flattened QuickTime movie...but since I only have a macintosh I cannot guarantee that it will work on other platforms. However, if it works on other computers or not, this is a QuickTime movie from the ABC News Forum on America Online. If you do not receive all of this file, I WILL NOT REPOST IT!!!, instead, It will be in my FTP account at FTP.NETCOM.COM in the directory pub/fl/flypba/QuickTime Enjoy FlyPBA #!/bin/sh # # This is a self-extracting shell archive of the binary file "F16Takeoff.mov". # Created on Sat Dec 24 15:40:40 PST 1994 by post-bin, revision 2.3. # # To decode with /bin/sh, remove everything before the /bin/sh and feed # each piece as input to /bin/sh. When all the pieces have been # processed, the archive will automatically concatenate the pieces and # uudecode them to produce F16Takeoff.mov. If successful, it will remove all # uuencoded pieces. Alternatively, the archive(s) may be processed with # no editing by the unshar program. # # If you do not have /bin/sh or unix, you may decode by removing # everthing before/after the lines beginning with the word BEGIN/END, # respectively, in each piece. 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Removing uuencoded pieces. rm $pfile.[0-9]* fi exit 0 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:22:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15373; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:22:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05713; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:09:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05707; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:09:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocI-0000TQC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cevans@superior.ccs.carleton.ca (Chris Evans) Subject: Dentist :( Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:00:02 GMT Status: O X-Status: Ugh! Visited the dentist today. I think just the noise of that, that! that darned high speed drill makes my jaw ache! Eeesh! I hope I don't have to return soon. (sorry if I'm mumbling, I'm still frozen) Chris mL....cavityman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:25:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15448; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:25:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09247; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:08:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09241; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:08:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoch-0000U6C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- faksmodemy WNUTR. USRobotics Courier DS V.Everything V.32bis/HST/Terbo/Cellular/V.FC/V.34,(28800bps DANNYE,14400bps FAKS),$670(ILI RUBLI),SO SKLADA W mOSKWE M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,238-3711 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:38:05 +0300 Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:28:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15651; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:28:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09532; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:15:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09526; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:15:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocq-0000ULC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Pringles - MORE INFO ON FATFREE SNACK Message-Id: <1994Dec20.171408.18539@adobe.com> References: <3d4sf8$4n5@newsbf02.news-fddi.aol.com> <1994Dec19.225530.15438@adobe.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:14:08 GMT Status: O X-Status: In article <1994Dec19.225530.15438@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: }If you can find them, try the potato bakes. An entire box is }5.5 ounces, roughly 550 calories, with 55 calories from fat. OK, I have more info on these: The company: Auburn Farms, Inc. P.O. Box 348180 Sacramento, CA 95834 The product: RightSnax 98% fatfree SPUDBAKES Potato Snacks The info (from my box of Mesquite Barbecue flavor): Serving Size 1 oz. (28g/25 crisps) Servings Per Container 5 Per Serving: Calories 110 CFF 5 Total Fat 0.5g Sodium 75mg I think the fatfree original flavor is better than the mesquite barbecue. BE WARNED: It looks as if there may be a fatful original flavor running around loose as well; read those labels. -- Curtis Jackson There is absolutely no truth to the rumor that cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com all employees are going to be required to have Mountain View, CA USA lobotomies . . . at least not at the prices we were quoted. -- "Dilbert" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:29:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15690; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:29:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05977; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:15:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05969; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:15:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobv-0000SeC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lulla@athena.mit.edu (The Spy) Subject: Re: A GOD named BORIS! Date: 25 Dec 1994 04:50:16 GMT Message-Id: <3ditm8$qqo@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <3cat4q$163a@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <3dgn43$6oa@ionews.io.org> <3dh7p2$c2p@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <3dhn7s$lgi@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3dhn7s$lgi@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes: |> In article <3dh7p2$c2p@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> lulla@athena.mit.edu (The Spy) writes: |> about Becker : |> >Well, consider the fact that he could not even win |> >Stockholm which is one of his best two surfaces |> >(fast indoor), and the fact that he hasn't come |> >close to winning Wimbledon for the past few years |> >(his other best surface), and the prediction seems |> >just a bit premature. |> |> Becker won the Stockholm this year defeating #1,2 and 3 |> players in the world. Clearly one of the best performances |> of the year. As for Wimbledon, Becker is a constant factor |> there for the last 10 years. He made semifinals in 93,94 |> as well. You can't get too much closer to winning it |> (if you don't win, that is). |> Michael. Becker did beat Sampras at Stockholm but did not win the tournament - he lost in the final (to Sampras). As for Wimbledon, going to the semifinals does not cut it if you're trying to be the #1 player in the world - which is what the previous article claimed Boris would do. Wimbledon being Becker's best Grand Slam surface, he should have gone farther if he is to bid for the #1 spot. This does not mean Becker does not have a chance to be #1. The main difference between this coming year and the last few years is that Boris is serious about returning to the top ranks and has settled some of his off-court problems for the time being (eg he has settled his personal problems / depression, he has moved to Monte Carlo to get away from Germans who criticized both him and his marriage, and he has been training with Bolletieri). S. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:29:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15721; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:29:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05988; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:16:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05981; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:16:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoc9-0000T8C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmellor@uoguelph.ca (Micheal G Mellor) Subject: Re: HEY!! Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:41:55 GMT Message-Id: <3dj47j$aae@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <3dhtj5$q8a@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> <3dhu3n$5ek@gopher.chem.wayne.edu> <3di69u$de@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Status: O X-Status: Micheal G Mellor (mmellor@uoguelph.ca) wrote: : Joey Oravec (joey@gopher.chem.wayne.edu) wrote: : : +--- Micheal G Mellor (mmellor@uoguelph.ca) anti-quacked: : : : I am unamused. I posted something last night and now it's gone. I am : : : very unamused. Did anyone see "sorry to flog a dead horse but....." : : : please tell me. Cos' I am getting pissed off. HELP ME PLEASE. : : : (desperate plea.) *sigh* : : Yes, I got it. I just didn't want to "flog a dead horse" by replying to : : it. : : : Christmas is supposed to be a happy time isn't : : : it? Well, it never is for me. This year it's worse, all my friends seem : : : not to like m anymore, my family is falling apart even more and : : : everything in life seems to be caving in, except the nets. This is my : : : escape. I am thoroughly depressed, I'm leaving now, you guys can all be : : : happy this holiday season, nevermind me. : : Christmas is a shining happy time. Smile for a while and see if you feel : : better. If not, laugh loudly a couple times. If that doesn't help you, I : : guess you're screwed. :^> : Well then, Joey, I guess I'm just screwed. Please, you're being so : sickeningly sweet. I'm going to puke. BTW, why can't I get the article : that I posted? You're a computer whiz, you should know. *sigh* we can't : even afford a turkey for Christmas dinner. : The Rat Queen Ooooooooooh, just wanted to tell you, we solved the turkey problem! My brother's father (not mine) showed up at the door with a 15 lb. turkey and beer and money and oranges and a yule log and chocolate beyond our wildest dreams and ham and Poinsettias and more! bye now. The Rat Queen : : -- : : O..O GT/CS/S d+ H+ s !g !p1+ !au a-- w++ v--- C+++ USL++ P+ L++ : : (----) 3- E---- N++ K+ W-- M-- V-- -po+ Y t++ 5+ jx R : : ( >__< ) G? tv b++ D++ B- e*(k-12) u- h! f* r+ n-- y? : : ^^ ~~ ^^ Web - http://gopher.science.wayne.edu/~joey/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:30:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15881; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:30:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06101; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:19:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06062; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:18:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobx-0000SkC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: durso@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (John Durso) Subject: Re: Greg Astro CIT dates Date: 25 Dec 1994 00:37:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3dj0f4$o8p@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: >I took my Newsletter CIT dates for 1994 and applied the >following trading rules which I recommend using. > >Using these rules, basis the S&P CASH INDEX, the total S&P >gain would be 170.91 points. The bulk was made in the last >3 months. I suspect the return would be LOWER using the S&P >futures with the same rules, as a few stops may have been I suspect the results would have been a lot lower (negative) if you had to use the rules BEFORE you knew the outcomes. We know its easy to apply rules AFTER you know the outcomes. John -- John From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:34:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16103; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:34:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06275; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:23:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06269; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:23:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocF-0000TKC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: data7@sentex.net (GBottin) Subject: Re: Finnochio? Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 23:51:04 -0400 Message-Id: References: <3di0n7$qbh@odin.community.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3di0n7$qbh@odin.community.net>, Patrick McKenna wrote: > Not wanting to play the fool, I looked up homosexual and "finnochio" in > my dictionary; however, I couldn't find an entry for either. I told him I > didn't believe him. > > Was he kidding me or was he right? What does finnochio mean? And am I > spelling it right? > > Graci Finocchio (one "N") means BOTH things. I'm surprised the guy didn't understand you just wanted some vegetables. No, it's not your fault. Not at all. ttyl. GB. -- GUGLIELMO BOTTIN - Exchange Student from Padova, Italy email:data7@sentex.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:38:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16348; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:38:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09952; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:27:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09937; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:27:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocy-0000UcC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- specialxnaq programma USR dlq SYSOPOW, USRobotics Courier DS V.Everything V.32bis/HST/Terbo/Cellular/V.FC/V.34,$499(ILI RUBLI),SO SKLADA W mOSKWE M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,238-3711 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:38:08 +0300 Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:39:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16402; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:39:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06370; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:26:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06362; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:26:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocX-0000TuC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s9100086@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (DR.J.KATUPITIYA) Subject: Re: Setvect problem Message-Id: <1994Dec25.112523.3480@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> Date: 25 Dec 94 11:25:23 +1000 References: <1994Dec20.133854.1@tnclus> <3d9dq6$esp@stratus.skypoint.net> Status: O X-Status: In article <3d9dq6$esp@stratus.skypoint.net>, "Troy R. Pesola" writes: > hkaikkonen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I am moving C++ 3.1 code to 4.0, but i have problems with setvect >> definition. > > > c++ member functions are not the same as c functions. The isr > must be a non-member function. > > typedef void (*non-member)(void); > typedef void (someclass::*member)(void); > class foo { > public: > void (*foofunc)(void); > } > > member and foofunc are the same but non-member is not. setvect is > expecting a non-member. The difference is in that member functions > are passing a 'this' pointer in the call. > > > I hope that helps. > > Troy R. Pesola troy@cyberoptics.com > CyberOptics Corp.-----------------------------------------------* > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:41:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16526; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:41:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09720; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:20:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09714; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:20:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobX-0000RyC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: denise0000@aol.com (Denise0000) Subject: Re: AGAINST PSYC DRUGS Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:55:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3ditve$he1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Status: O X-Status: Klemens wrote: <<>> I don't know the scientifics of ECT, but I had 12 treatments, and they didn't work. Gave me lots of headaches, though, and wiped out about 6 months of my memory. Those months never returned. In my case, it was a huge waste of time and money, all for nothing. And I'm still fucking depressed as hell, or manic. Always going up and down. Meds aren't working either. It sucks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:44:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16736; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:44:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10128; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:31:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10122; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:31:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLod5-0000UoC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) Subject: Re: Storming Canter & Siegel Date: 24 Dec 1994 20:53:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3ditro$b28@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <3c7tvp$70c@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <3cou5c$q0s@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> <3d58rt$o8v@panix3.panix.com> <3dg36a$rt@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> <3dgnsp$6re@sandra.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: ejbagai@teleport.com writes: >Dave Hayes wrote: >>Right. If you are going to complain that "sending unwanted stuff to people is >>wrong" then it does not matter who does it or why. It is -especially- bad >>if you are doing what you consider is wrong in retaliation for what you >>consider is wrong. >Wait. You're applying the golden rule in ways even Christ wouldn't >condone. How do you know? 8-) I take it to mean that you, at least, do not condone my use of this. >The "others" in the "do unto others, etc" refers to people, or at >least living things. But wait. The "golden rule", as you put it, isn't anything other than a logical method of viewing the world. If you dislike something being done to you, it makes logical sense not to do that something to another. >The nearest saw I can think of for dealing responsibly and ethically >with machines and tools used for bad purposes is, "Beat your swords into >plowshares." C&S aren't a machine. Originally they were lawyers, up until the net.wrath was focused on them...turning them into something I don't think even they want to admit about. -- Dave Hayes -- Institutional NETworks - Section 394 -- JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh "The people are masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!" -Abraham Lincoln From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:53:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17268; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:53:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10494; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:41:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10481; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:41:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLode-0000VfC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alma@ix.netcom.com (Alma Engels) Subject: Re: Schwab's no-fee IRA deal Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:15:13 GMT Message-Id: <3dj2lh$1j6@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> References: <3ce1fj$k4t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <3cp0j3$1uf@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: In perfect@llnl.gov (Scott Perfect) writes: > >In article <3cp0j3$1uf@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, alma@ix.netcom.com (Alma >Engels) wrote: > > >> If your Janus account is less than $10,000 but more than $5,000, you >> might want to consider a Fidelity IRA -- brokerage preferably. They >> also have NTF funds and I think Janus is one. And they will let you >> purchase Fidelity funds for your IRA without paying the load they charge >*********************************************************************** *** >> regular accounts. > >Is this true? > Yes -- I purchased Fidelity Lo Price for my IRA without a load. There may be a negative to such an account however if you want to call Fidelity for a NAV. They have an 800 number to call but they limit the number of calls you make to it. Ordinarily this is not a problem as quotes are available from a number of sources. But if you buy a new fund it has to reach a certain total asset value AND be 3 months old before the papers will list it. I also bought a new fund -- think the name is Global Value -- and Fidelity is my only source of info for this. It is possible that they make exceptions for this though. Will have to call them after the holiday. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:53:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17275; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:53:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10336; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:36:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10328; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:36:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocC-0000TDC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wright@cs.uri.edu (Evan C. Wright) Subject: Echo off Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:41:42 GMT Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know the shell command that turns the echo off, so you can't see what you're typing. I used to know, but I forgot it, and I can't find it in any of my books. Thanks in advance, Evan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 02:53:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17325; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:53:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06771; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:36:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06759; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:36:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodb-00000VC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Richard Berman Subject: Re: VC++ WinHelp routine ??? How to handle Date: 25 Dec 1994 04:46:25 GMT Message-Id: <3ditf1$lqi@nntp.crl.com> References: Status: O X-Status: ajvkemp@cs.vu.nl (Kempen van AJ) wrote: > > > > Does anyone out there know how to handle > the WinHelp function (library) ? > > I fill it in like I think I should > but the compiler is complaining that WinHelp > doesn't accept 4 parameters. As far as I can see > the help-file on cd-rom DOES say it takes > 4. > > The Windows SDK function does take 4 args, but the Visual C++ function (in MFC) CWinApp:WinHelp takes only two arguments. Are you using MFC and/or Visual C++? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Berman Vox: (213) 258-7525 Software Technology Service Fax: (213) 258-9483 3737 Division Street Los Angeles, CA 90065 sts@crl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:00:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17639; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:00:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07180; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:44:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07174; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:44:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocN-0000TcC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cricinfo@cricinfo.cse.ogi.edu (Cricket Info Server) Subject: CricInfo - Additions/Changes to Database Date: 25 Dec 1994 01:57:08 -0600 Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: New/Changed on CricInfo : last 24 hours (as of Sat Dec 24 22:27:34 PST 1994) PLAYERS/ENG/JESSOP_GILBERT-PROFILE Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:27 (198 lines) NEW/SCORECARD Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:26 (47 lines) NEW/ENG_AUS_T2D1_24DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:26 (46 lines) CURRENT/PAK_LOCAL/UBL_NBP_WILLS-SEMI2_16NOV94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:26 (64 lines) CURRENT/PAK_LOCAL/PIA_NBP_WILLS-FINAL_18NOV94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:26 (59 lines) CURRENT/PAK_LOCAL/HBL_PIA_WILLS-SEMI1_16NOV94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:26 (60 lines) CURRENT/OTHERS+ICC/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND/IND_WOMEN-SQUAD_AUS_NOV-DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:25 (25 lines) CURRENT/OTHERS+ICC/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND_NOV-DEC94-RESULTS_SUMMARY Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:25 (21 lines) CURRENT/OTHERS+ICC/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND/AUS_WOMEN-SQUAD_IND_NOV-DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:25 (23 lines) CURRENT/OTHERS+ICC/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND/AUS_IND_WOMEN_T2_30NOV-03DEC94_INCOMPLETE Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:25 (61 lines) CURRENT/OTHERS+ICC/AUS_WOMEN_IN_IND/AUS_IND_WOMEN_ODI5_06DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 22:25 (63 lines) NEW/IRC_TOPIC Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:26 (6 lines) NEW/CRICINFO_TOP_30 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:26 (39 lines) LS-CLFR Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:26 (4730 lines) HELP_WANTED Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:26 (131 lines) CURRENT/ZIM_IN_AUS/ZIM_VIC-COUNTRY-XI_22DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:26 (51 lines) CURRENT/ZIM_IN_AUS/ZIM_AUS_NOV94-JAN95_RESULTS-SUMMARY Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 18:25 (20 lines) NEW/SL-A_BDESH_SAARC_24DEC94_SCORES Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 14:27 (11 lines) NEW/SAARC_TABLE_22DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:27 (13 lines) NEW/BDESH_PAK-A_SAARC_22DEC94 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:27 (59 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IN_IND_SEP-OCT83_TEST_AVS Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:26 (68 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IN_IND_SEP-OCT83_RESULTS-SUMMARY Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:26 (13 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IND_ODI2_02OCT83 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:25 (54 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IND_ODI1_11SEP83 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:25 (54 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IND_BFT_21SEP83 Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:25 (64 lines) ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IND_BFT_11OCT83_SCORES Date-stamped : 24 Dec94 - 10:25 (13 lines) NEW/CSC_TABLE_1994-95 Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:27 (19 lines) CURRENT/RSA_LOCAL/CSC/WPR_BOL_CSC_16-20DEC94 Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:28 (84 lines) CURRENT/RSA_LOCAL/CSC/NATAL_TVL_CSC_17-20DEC94 Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:27 (112 lines) CURRENT/RSA_LOCAL/CSC/EPR_NTVL_CSC_15-19DEC94 Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:27 (99 lines) CURRENT/RSA_LOCAL/CSC/BOR_OFS_CSC_17-20DEC94_INCOMPLETE Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:28 (100 lines) CURRENT/OD_TOURNEYS/SAARC/SAARC_DEC94_RESULTS-SUMMARY Date-stamped : 23 Dec94 - 22:26 (18 lines) CricInfo has 6252 files in 595 directories File generated automatically (cricinfo@*ogi.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:01:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17785; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:01:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06874; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:38:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06852; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:38:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoc0-0000SqC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrewm@mcs.com Subject: Re: Trade question ?? Date: 25 Dec 1994 00:17:22 GMT Message-Id: <3didmi$4ra@News1.mcs.com> References: <94357.104636U61221@uicvm.uic.edu> Status: O X-Status: In <94357.104636U61221@uicvm.uic.edu>, writes: >Since Roy Tarpley is being looked upon for trade by the Mavs... why not the >Bulls acquire him for either Will Perdue & Ron Harper / Will Perdue & Bill >Wennington. I feel Tarpley is one heck of a player.. and the bulls can >develop a Grant like player in him. I feel he has totally rehabbed and >is only whinning for more minutes... I feel this would be a WIN-WIN >for both Bulls and Dallas. I think ONE Quintin Dailey is enough for the Bulls. Skip this spoiled brat and move on. How DARE this guy have the attitude he has after the risk the Mav's took on him. He should be kissing the ground they walk on. But no, this is not a day and age where you actually appreciate the people responsible for paying you millions of dollars. If they forget to open the door for you one day, piss and moan about how you're not being treated correctly. It is because of players like this that I know I could never be a good team owner. I'd fire his butt -- team or no team. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:03:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17992; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:03:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10762; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:48:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10756; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:48:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocw-0000UWC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nandyal@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (P. Raju Nandyala) Subject: Test Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:24:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3dis56$7f2@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> Status: O X-Status: Hi, please ignore this test. If you are reading this you are wasting your time. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:05:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18105; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:05:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07255; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:46:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07223; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:46:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodJ-0000V8C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael_Nelson Subject: Re: netscape 1.0 does not work under OS/2 seamless Date: 25 Dec 1994 05:57:59 GMT Message-Id: <3dj1l7$a7k@myrddin.imat.com> References: <3cv1t8$k98@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3dgf4g$2vq@ob1.uws.EDU.AU> Status: O X-Status: David J N Begley wrote: > > grebar@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Grebar) wrote: > > > > I have just downloaded Netscape ver 1.0 and it still does not work > > properly in an OS/2 (WARP) seamless window! > > Netscape 1.0N is running happily (??) here, seamlessly, under > OS/2 2.11 (using built-in Win-OS/2 3.1). Perhaps it's either a Warp, > or Warp/Windows interaction problem? > > Raise the matter with IBM as well as Netscape - hopefully it'll be > fixed before the Blue Box is released. It does look like it's a Warp problem then (one of many). My roommate's OS/2 Warp machine hangs EVERY time upon exit from netscape 1.0N for Windows in seamless mode. Glad I run UNIX.... ;-) - Michael - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:05:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18119; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:05:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07188; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:44:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07182; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:44:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLobO-0000RgC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- apgrejd USRobotics Courier ne V.34 DO DS V.34, $250, M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,-3711,-5343.(PISXMO). Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:37:52 +0300 Status: O X-Status: Hi; åÓÌÉ ÄÁÎÎÙÊ ÍÏÄÅÍ ÐÏËÕÐÁÌÓÑ Õ á/ï ðìàó, ÓÔÏÉÍÏÓÔØ ÁÐÇÒÅÊÄÁ - $179. -- ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ÷ÁÄÉÍ ðÁÎÆÅÒÏ×. á/ï ðìàó. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:09:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18440; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:09:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07676; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:57:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07670; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:57:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLod2-0000UiC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u9159819@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Au Duong Khac Dat) Subject: KQ7 - Chap 5 help please !!!! Date: 25 Dec 1994 16:42:24 +1100 Message-Id: <3dj0o0$i4t@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> Status: O X-Status: Hi there, I am stuck at chapter 5 (Nightmare in Etheria). I was using the "feather" on the snoring rock 2 time. So When I use "Nectar in pot" on the statue it doesn't allow me to. Does it important to miss out this step. Because I have try to get pass the plan but couldn't. I've pass the beast using "were-beast Slave + fur". The plan just outside Malicia house how am I suppose to pass it do i need something special.?? Thanks in advance. Regard Dat. ------------------------- Email: u9159819@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:11:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18618; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:11:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10913; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:51:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10901; Sun, 25 Dec 94 02:51:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodk-0000VqC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jleung@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Leung) Subject: Full White Set/M. Universe/Icy/Beta Assassin/Multilands auction Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:09:17 GMT Message-Id: <3dj9bd$9ea@agate.berkeley.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I'm running this auction because I'm trying to get out of Magic. Well, not completely. I'm still going to keep a playing deck :) ... Anyhow, here I'm trying to get rid of pretty much ALL my cards, for I am getting poor from the game. So I'm going to have an auction/sale with 3 parts: 1. I'm auctioning off most of my cards like anyone else would. 2. I'm auctioning off a set of Fallen Empires. -----> 3. Finally, I'm auctioning off a collection folder with pretty much *** EVERY WHITE CARD IN EXISTENCE *** (Revised set, Arabians set, Antiquities Set, Legends set w/ White Heroes, Unlimited OOP, Fallen Empires set, The Dark set, white multilands, 3 Plains, Ivory Cup, Karakas, Cathedral of Serra, White Mana Battery, and a Mox Pearl!) ** All the uncommons for a quarter each have been sold! *********************** MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!!! *********************** Rules: 1. I reserve the right to do pretty much whatever I want, ie. pull cards (unlikely), add cards (very likely), counterspell cards, etc. 2. This desperate auction will end 12:00am PST Friday, 1/13/1995 This means that if the bid isn't in my mailbox by then, it won't count. A counterbid session will begin on the afternoon of the 13th and will end on at 12:00pm of the 14th. New bidders will be ignored at that time. 3. Bids must be in increments of $5 for Lots (with the exception of card bids), $0.50 for cards over $10, and $0.25 otherwise. ****** Minimum bids are $1.00 unless otherwise specified. ****** 4. *** PLEASE, IF YOU BID, BID WITH THE INTENT TO BUY IF YOU WIN! *** Bids can be withdrawn only within two updates after your bid is listed. For example, if you bid 7.50 on the Doppleganger, you have two updates to withdraw the bid. However, beginning 1/6/95, NO BIDS WILL BE WITHDRAWN! 5. The following cards will be accepted as CASH BIDS for the ** LOTS ** only. Otherwise, this is a cash ONLY auction. Ancestral Recall (1) $25.00 * Juzam Djinn (1) $17.50 Black Lotus (1) $60.00 Library/Alexandria (1) $12.50 City of Brass (4) $12.50 Mishra's Workshop (1) $10.00 * Dakkon Blackblade (1) $17.50 Moxen (1 ea.) $37.50 Fork (2) $10.00 Recall (1) $12.50 Ice Storm (2) $ 7.50 * Shapeshifter (1) $15.00 Ifh-Biff Efreet (1) $15.00 Timetwister (1) $25.00 Ivory Tower (1) $ 5.00 Time Walk (1) $30.00 Marked cards must be mint. All other cards just have to be in good enough shape so that my opponent doesn't know what I'm drawing just by looking at the back of it (please, no scuff marks on card backs!). 6. I will mail the winners when this auction ends. You will send me payment, and then I will ship the cards. Payment may be by check or money order only. Checks take 3-7 days to clear. I will ship the cards after the check clears. 7. For any of the Lots, I will pay shipping via insured mail. Otherwise, a shipping charge will be appended to the winning bids in the following format: 1 - 29 cards = $1.00 Certified mail = $1.00 extra 30 - 100 cards = $2.50 Registered = $4.50 extra 100+ up to 2lbs = $2.90 priority Sorry, but international orders will have to pay for their overseas shipping costs. If you don't like this format, we can work out shipping after the close of the auction. 8. Please send all bids to jleung@ocf.berkeley.edu. If I cannot reply to the address you mail from, PLEASE give me an address to mail to. !!!. The buyout bidder for Lot A will get a free box of Fallen Empires with the set. If the set is not bought out, I will make a judgement call as to whether or not I give the box to the Lot winner. ============================================================================== Lot Current Buyout Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lot A: White collection folder $450 $800 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Lot B: Fallen Empires set $100 $150 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Artifact Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aladdin's Ring 1.25 elswijk@serc.nl Dingus Egg 2.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Disrupting Scepter 5.00 als@e-commerce.com Dragon Engine 1.00 john.oconnor@channel1.com Flying Carpet 1.50 blaser@picard.admin.udayton.e Helm of Chatzuk 1.00 vortex@u.washington.edu Helm of Chatzuk 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Helm of Chatzuk 1.00 chaos@bnr.ca Howling Mine 4.00 monobyte@aol.com Jade Monolith 1.25 michael_j._goldfarb@tvo.org Jandor's Ring 1.25 timl@dsinc.com Jandor's Saddlebags 1.50 blaknite@net23.com Jandor's Saddlebags 1.25 timl@dsinc.com Jandor's Saddlebags 1.25 vortex@u.washington.edu Jandor's Saddlebags 1.25 vortex@u.washington.edu Juggernaut 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Juggernaut 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Juggernaut 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Kormus Bell 1.25 timl@dsinc.com Kormus Bell 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Kormus Bell 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Millstone 1.25 timl@dsinc.com Sol Ring 1.50 elswijk@serc.nl Sol Ring 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Sol Ring 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Sol Ring 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Icy Manipulator UL 26.00 jhandler@eden.eecs.nwu.edu Feldon's Cane AQ 4.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Feldon's Cane AQ 3.75 trozycki@maroon.tc.umn.edu Feldon's Cane AQ 3.50 kschulz@b856s1.ssc.af.mil Feldon's Cane AQ 3.50 kswhitaker@miavx1.acs.muohio. Golgothian Sylex AQ 4.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Tawnos's Coffin AQ 8.50 lyannor@sutr.novalink.com Tawnos's Coffin AQ 8.50 lyannor@sutr.novalink.com Blue Mana Battery LG 4.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Green Mana Battery LG 3.75 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Life Chisel LG 1.00 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Mana Matrix LG 6.00 mmolly@bigcat.missouri.edu Marble Priest LG 1.25 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Mirror Universe LG 20.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Relic Barrier LG 3.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com White Mana Battery LG 4.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Barl's Cage DK 2.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Barl's Cage DK 2.00 davidy3148@aol.com Barl's Cage DK 2.00 davidy3148@aol.com Barl's Cage DK 2.00 trozycki@maroon.tc.umn.edu Barl's Cage DK 2.00 trozycki@maroon.tc.umn.edu Fellwar Stone DK 3.00 als@e-commerce.com Fellwar Stone DK 2.00 kswhitaker@miavx1.acs.muohio. Fountain of Youth DK 1.00 john.oconnor@channel1.com Fountain of Youth DK 1.00 john.oconnor@channel1.com Fountain of Youth DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Scarecrow DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Standing Stones DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Stone Calendar DK 3.00 monobyte@aol.com Stone Calendar DK 2.50 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Tormod's Crypt DK 1.00 blaser@picard.admin.udayton.e Tormod's Crypt DK 1.00 kswhitaker@miavx1.acs.muohio. Wand of Ith DK 1.00 blaknite@net23.com Wand of Ith DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Wand of Ith DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Wand of Ith DK 1.00 searon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Aeolipile FE 1.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Conch Horn FE 1.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Draconian Cylix FE 1.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Elven Lyre FE 1.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Spirit Shield FE 3.00 kschulz@b856s1.ssc.af.mil Zelyon Sword FE 3.00 kschulz@b856s1.ssc.af.mil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Black Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Black Knight 0.75 michael_j._goldfarb@tvo.org Black Knight 0.50 blaser@picard.admin.udayton.e Contract from Below 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Darkpact 1.00 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Deathlace 0.50 Demonic Attorney 1.50 blaser@picard.admin.udayton.e Demonic Attorney 1.00 michael_j._goldfarb@tvo.org Demonic Attorney 1.00 elswijk@serc.nl Demonic Hordes 5.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Demonic Hordes 4.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Demonic Hordes 4.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Demonic Hordes 4.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Demonic Tutor 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Demonic Tutor 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Hypnotic Specter 2.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Hypnotic Specter 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Hypnotic Specter 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Hypnotic Specter 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Mind Twist 3.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Nether Shadow 1.75 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Nether Shadow 1.75 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Nether Shadow 1.75 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Nettling Imp 1.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nettling Imp 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Nightmare 6.25 leadings@aol.com Royal Assassin 7.50 rclsot@ix.netcom.com Royal Assassin 7.50 rclsot@ix.netcom.com Sengir Vampire 2.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Sengir Vampire 2.00 ibdip@aol.com Sengir Vampire 1.75 ibdip@aol.com Sorceress Queen 4.00 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Warp Artifact 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Will-o-the-Wisp 4.00 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Will-o-the-Wisp 4.00 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Will-o-the-Wisp 3.50 rclsot@ix.netcom.com Zombie Master 3.00 matt.ohalloran@imap2.asu.edu Zombie Master 2.25 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Royal Assassin B 14.00 exterminus@aol.com Nether Shadow UL 1.50 chaos@bnr.ca Sinkhole UL 4.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Sinkhole UL 4.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Sinkhole UL 4.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Stone Throwing Devils AN 1.50 luta@email.enst.fr Stone Throwing Devils AN 1.50 luta@email.enst.fr Stone Throwing Devils AN 1.50 luta@email.enst.fr Shimian Night Stalker LG 2.00 davidy3148@aol.com Underworld Dreams LG 8.00 leadings@aol.com Eater of the Dead DK 1.00 blaser@picard.admin.udayton.e Frankenstein's Monster DK 4.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Rag Man DK 3.00 blaknite@net23.com Rag Man DK 3.00 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com The Fallen DK 2.00 als@e-commerce.com The Fallen DK 2.00 als@e-commerce.com The Fallen DK 2.00 als@e-commerce.com The Fallen DK 2.00 als@e-commerce.com Uncle Istvan DK 1.50 johnt@div317.t185.saic.com Uncle Istvan DK 1.50 johnt@div317.t185.saic.com Derelor FE 2.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Ebon Praetor FE 2.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Soul Exchange FE Thrull Champion FE 4.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Blue Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Counterspell 2.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Counterspell 2.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Counterspell 2.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Counterspell 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Magical Hack 3.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Sleight of Mind 3.50 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Vesuvan Doppleganger 8.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Twiddle UL 4.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Reset LG 2.00 wscotti@utkvx.utk.edu Mana Vortex DK 1.75 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Deep Spawn FE Deep Spawn FE Homarid Spawning Bed FE Homarid Spawning Bed FE Seasinger FE Tidal Influence FE Homarid Shaman FE 1.50 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp River Merfolk FE 1.50 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Vodalian Knights FE 1.50 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Green Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Channel 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Channel 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Channel 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Channel 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Desert Twister 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Desert Twister 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Desert Twister 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Desert Twister 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Gaea's Liege 5.50 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Instill Energy 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Living Lands 2.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Lure 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Lure 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Regrowth 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Thicket Basilisk 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Thicket Basilisk 1.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Titania's Song 2.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Camouflage UL 3.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Thicket Basilisk UL 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Cocoon LG 1.25 vortex@u.washington.edu Cocoon LG 1.25 vortex@u.washington.edu Craw Giant LG 7.00 Adrian Lin Craw Giant LG 7.00 Adrian Lin Craw Giant LG 5.75 kschulz@b856s1.ssc.af.mil Craw Giant LG 5.75 kschulz@b856s1.ssc.af.mil Eureka LG 10.00 kswhitaker@miavx1.acs.muohio. Killer Bees LG 15.00 dj786@cleveland.freenet.edu Storm Seeker LG 4.00 chang2@husc.harvard.edu Storm Seeker LG 4.00 chang2@husc.harvard.edu Storm Seeker LG 4.00 chang2@husc.harvard.edu Storm Seeker LG 4.00 chang2@husc.harvard.edu Storm Seeker LG 4.00 chang2@husc.harvard.edu Elvish Farmer FE 1.00 a-ethant@microsoft.com Feral Thallid FE Feral Thallid FE Thelonite Druid FE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Red Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chaoslace 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Shivan Dragon 11.00 matt.ohalloran@imap2.asu.edu Blood Lust LG 5.50 mmolly@bigcat.missouri.edu Hyperion Blacksmith LG 1.50 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Hyperion Blacksmith LG 1.50 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Primordial Ooze LG 1.50 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Ball Lightning DK 5.75 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Ball Lightning DK 5.75 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Ball Lightning DK 5.75 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Goblin Wizard DK 2.75 leadings@aol.com Goblin Warrens FE 2.50 a-ethant@microsoft.com Nalathni Dragon DC 5.00 Adrian Lin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ White Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Animate Wall 1.50 data7@sentex.net Armageddon 3.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Armageddon 3.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Blessing 3.00 blaknite@net23.com Blessing 3.00 monobyte@aol.com Blessing 2.25 leadings@aol.com Blessing 2.25 leadings@aol.com Crusade 2.25 data7@sentex.net Crusade 2.25 data7@sentex.net Crusade 2.25 data7@sentex.net Crusade 2.25 data7@sentex.net Eye for an Eye 2.00 kswhitaker@miavx1.acs.muohio. Farmstead 1.00 data7@sentex.net Farmstead 1.00 data7@sentex.net Karma 0.50 timl@dsinc.com Karma 0.50 Karma 0.50 Karma 0.50 Lance 0.50 Lance 0.50 Lance 0.50 Lance 0.50 Northern Paladin 5.00 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Northern Paladin 4.50 mmolly@bigcat.missouri.edu Resurrection 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Resurrection 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Resurrection 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Resurrection 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Reverse Damage 3.50 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Reverse Damage 2.50 mmolly@bigcat.missouri.edu Reverse Damage 2.50 mmolly@bigcat.missouri.edu Righteousness 2.50 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Righteousness 2.25 data7@sentex.net Righteousness 2.25 data7@sentex.net Righteousness 2.25 data7@sentex.net Serra Angel 3.00 data7@sentex.net Serra Angel 3.00 data7@sentex.net Serra Angel 3.00 data7@sentex.net Serra Angel 3.00 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Serra Angel 3.00 ad411@osfn.rhilinet.gov Swords to Plowshares 1.00 elswijk@serc.nl Swords to Plowshares 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Swords to Plowshares 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Swords to Plowshares 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Swords to Plowshares 0.75 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Wall of Swords 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Wall of Swords 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Wall of Swords 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Wall of Swords 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed White Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed White Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed White Knight 1.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Consecrate Land UL 2.50 fswwh@camelot.acf-lab.alaska. Consecrate Land UL 2.50 fswwh@camelot.acf-lab.alaska. Consecrate Land UL 2.50 fswwh@camelot.acf-lab.alaska. White Knight UL Piety AN 1.00 data7@sentex.net Piety AN 1.00 data7@sentex.net Shahrazad AN 9.00 Artifact Ward AQ 2.25 data7@sentex.net Equinox LG 1.00 data7@sentex.net Kismet LG 5.00 galv@midway.uchicago.edu Kismet LG 5.00 galv@midway.uchicago.edu Land Tax LG 3.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Land Tax LG 3.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Rapid Fire LG 3.50 luta@email.enst.fr Visions LG 1.75 data7@sentex.net Angry Mob DK 2.50 ktewart@ix.netcom.com Angry Mob DK 1.75 data7@sentex.net Angry Mob DK 1.75 data7@sentex.net Exorcist DK 3.50 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Witch Hunter DK 4.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Icatian Priest FE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gold Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Angus Mackenzie 5.50 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Axelrod Gunnarson 6.00 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Boris Devilboon 4.50 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Gabriel Angelfire 6.00 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Gwendolyn Di Corci 4.00 chenk01@mchip00.med.nyu.edu Gwendolyn Di Corci 4.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Hazezon Tamar 6.00 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Hazezon Tamar 5.50 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Hazezon Tamar 5.50 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Lady Caleria 4.00 st92m9ra@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Nebuchadnezzar 10.00 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Tuknir Deathlock 4.00 wscotti@utkvx.utk.edu Ur-Drago 6.00 lynchmob@aal.itd.umich.edu Xira Arien 4.00 st92m9ra@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lands Current Bidder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Badlands 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Badlands 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Badlands 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Bayou 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Bayou 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Plateau 4.50 leadings@aol.com Plateau 4.50 leadings@aol.com Plateau 4.50 leadings@aol.com Plateau 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Plateau 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Scrubland 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Scrubland 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Scrubland 4.50 scott.smith@sunrisebbs.com Tundra 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Tundra 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Tundra 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Tundra 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Underground Sea 4.50 leadings@aol.com Underground Sea 4.50 leadings@aol.com Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Volcanic Island 4.25 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Pendelhaven LG 3.25 leadings@aol.com Urborg LG 2.00 leadings@aol.com Maze of Ith DK 3.50 rclsot@ix.netcom.com Safe Haven DK 2.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Bottomless Vault FE 2.75 leadings@aol.com Dwarven Ruins FE 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Dwarven Ruins FE 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Dwarven Ruins FE 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Dwarven Ruins FE Ebon Stronghold FE 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Ebon Stronghold FE 1.50 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Hollow Trees FE 2.00 faw@atlas.chemistry.uakron.ed Rainbow Vale FE 2.25 kuga@ssel.toshiba.co.jp Sand Silos FE 2.50 leadings@aol.com Svyelunite Temple FE 2.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu Svyelunite Temple FE 2.00 ec933@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ============================================================================== Lot A) White collection folder. Most cards are Mint. Some are NM. Mox Pearl is EX. Folder with 9-pocket pages included! (yippee!) The estimated value for this is $676.33 using the CalPoly list by Eric Aldrich and Brett de Jesus. This estimate includes commons. ****************************************************************************** THIS SET INCLUDES PRETTY MUCH EVERY CARD IN EXISTENCE WITH A WHITE CASTING COST and pretty much every artifact and land a white mage would like to have. ****************************************************************************** If you don't know what I'm talking about, here are some popular white cards. These cards are totally independent of any of the cards in the individual card auction. All cards also in their original sets (ie. there is an Eye for an Eye RV, and an Eye for an Eye AN). RV: Armageddon, Balance, Blessing, Crusade, Northern Paladin, Personal Incarnation, Reverse Damage, Righteousness, Serra Angel, Veteran Bodyguard, Wrath of God, Plateau, Savannah, Scrubland, Tundra UL: Blaze of Glory, Consecrate Land, Mox Pearl AN: Abu Ja'Far, Eye for an Eye, Jihad, King Suleiman, Repentant Blacksmith, Shahrazad AQ: Argivian Archaeologist, COP Artifacts, Martyrs of Korlis LG: Akron Legionnaire, Angelic Voices, Cleanse, Divine Intervention, Divine Transformation, Elder Land Wurm, Greater Realm of Preservation, Infinite Authority, Ivory Guardians, Kismet, Land Tax, Lifeblood, Moat, Petra Sphinx, Presence of the Master, Rapid Fire, Spirit Link, Thunder Spirit, Visions, Cathedral of Serra, Karakas, White Mana Battery Angus Mackenzie, Arcades Sabboth, Ayesha Tanaka, Chromium, Dakkon Blackblade, Gabriel Angelfire, Gosta Dirk, Halfdane, Hazezon Tamar, Jacques Le Vert, Johan, Kei Takahashi, Lady Caleria, Lady Evangela, Palladia-Mors, Ragnar, Rasputin Dreamweaver, Rubinia Soulsinger DK: Angry Mob, Cleansing, Exorcist, Knights of Thorn, Preacher, Witch Hunter FE: Hand of Justice, Icatian Lieutenant, Icatian Skirmishers, Icatian Town, Icatian Store, Ruins of Trokair ============================================================================== Lot B) Fallen Empires complete set. All cards are Mint. What else is there to say about it? It's the Fallen Empires complete set. Estimated value for this set (by the Aldrich list, although he said that the prices are rather low) is $152.50. ============================================================================== Thanks for reading! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- jleung@ocf.berkeley.edu Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:27:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19877; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:27:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11789; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:14:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11776; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:13:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodh-0000VkC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- faksmodemy WNE[N. 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...... offer Seagate ST-296 - 80Meg SCSI - broke ..... offer Oak Vga w/256 ........................... $15.00 High density 8bit floppy controller ..... $15.00 IMtec 1463 - EGA 14" Monitor and card Monitor has horizontal flicker sometimes $40.00 CGA card and composite 12" amber monitor $20.00 Intel AboveBoard 16bit (doc's and disk) .. $40.00 BocaRAM AT 16bit ......................... $30.00 Both are 2meg boards 3megs of 12ns dram ....................... offer ================================================= Cannon Mount 90-230 Zoom ............... offer Minolta Auto 32 tilt flash ............. $20.00 Side mount handle w/remote trigger ...... $10.00 ================================================= voice = (206)783-9446 Scott Parks sparks@helix.eskimo.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:46:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21299; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:46:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12031; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:25:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12019; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:24:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLock-0000UAC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: defoe@sendit.NoDak.edu (Mike Joseph Defoe) Subject: Re: New Educational Testing/Tutorial Software Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 06:23:03 GMT References: <3dhq5g$cjf@news1.shell> Status: O X-Status: Sounds like a great program! What platform(s) are you going to have it for? I am very interested in a Mac version if possible... Thanks; In a previous article, netrat@shell.portal.com (NetRat) says: >Message-ID: <3dhq5g$cjf@news1.shell> >NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > >Hello, > > I am writing this to find out what other people think about a >project I am currently working on. I am in the process of developing a >educational software. It is at its alpha state but it will enter its >beta state within next two weeks. I want to know if people out there >will be interested in using such an educational tool for their children >or themselves. The software is designed for all ages. But I think it >will be wonderful for kids in high school or in other grades. > >Here is what the software is suppose to do: > >The software consists of two separate programs. One for the instructor >(parent/guardian/trainer) and one for the student (child/trainee). A >instructor can develop a set of (multiple choice/true-false/multiple >choice based on pictures/short essay) questions to form a test or >tutorial. The student module can run those tests or tutorials. Here >are some of the features. > >a. Creating question is quite easy. A question editor is built-in to >the system. Software's main emphasis is on multiple-choice (with or >without pictures) and true-false type questions. > >b. All questions can have at least one default picture. > >c. MCQ (with picture) can display a set of 5 pictures as (A, B, C, D, >and E). The pictures can be hidden under HUGE icons so students can >click and see the larger (if any) picture. Pictures can be part of the >question or they can be used as visual-aid for the students. > >d. Instructor can create tests (tutorials) to help students and let the >students take the test any time by either giving them a copy of the test >or storing it in a shared space in a LAN. Students will be able to run >the tutorial themselves and find out how they are doing since they will >get instructor assigned points for each question. > >e. Instructor can setup different points for each question. > >f. If the software is setup in a LAN (such as Novell) it will be >possible for the instructor to administer tests in the lab and grading >can be done automatically right after the test is over (assuming >MCQ/True-false). Thus student will know how s/he did right-way! > >g. As said before, the tests can be administered in a LAN featured >computer lab. However, if there is no LAN, instructor can keep a copy >of test/tutorials in a stand-alone machine that is accessible by >students. By instructor's choice at test creation time, each question >in a test will either appear in a random order or a sequential order. >The random order is quite interesting since it will appear as if each >student has a different test! > >h. Instructor can keep a grade-book, find out which question(s) was >missed by most -- some statistics on the tests. > > >Right now I have written the instructor's module and a working student >module. I have created a few example tests that covers the following >topics: > - Internet basics (question about telnet, ftp, news etc.) > - networking basics (covers Local area networks etc.) > >and I might create a few for small kids. I would like to know what >people specially instructors and parents out there think of such a >software. Anyone interested? TIA. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > / / Mohammed J. Kabir (Ronak) > /_ __. /___o __ UCCS Tech Lab. Manager. >/ <_(_(_/_) (__/ (_ Campus Phone/Voice-Mail: (916) 278-7202 >Yet another linux user Email :kabir@csus.edu or netrat@shell.portal.com > WWW : http://www.portal.com/~netrat/kabir.html >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Mike DeFoe, HS Mathematics/Computer Science/Computer Coordinator________ 1601 North College Drive | ; } Devils Lake, North Dakota 58301 | } (701) 662-1200 fax: (701) 662-1208 defoe@sendit.NoDak.edu |__________} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:46:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21307; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:46:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09806; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:33:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09795; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:33:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoek-0000X4C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: italian@netcom.com (Joeseph Angelo) Subject: Moxen In Expansion next Summer? Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:32:58 GMT Status: O X-Status: Since we know that the Moxen and Lotus are in such High Demand I think that they should be re-released in the expandsion next summer its a great idea to make the game fun and not justa veihcle for speculation BTW ,,, There is no good reason to say not to this unless someone thinks that they should be forbidden in a Tourney unless you play for cards we could treat as the other cards that are banned from Tourney but why should we when we all know this are great cards to play with So WOTC re-release them or release a new Set of Cards that are just as hot !! Thnx Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:51:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21682; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:51:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09524; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:30:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09500; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:29:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoe7-0000WMC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Huffman Subject: Re: Pentium = Crashes? Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 20:45:06 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3d1v46$nml@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3d1v46$nml@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Status: O X-Status: I used a Pentium 90 to file a flight plan on DUATS for a C177 and it came back filed for a C176.99999999999999999999999999456789901. :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:53:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21807; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:53:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09645; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09546; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:30:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocT-0000TnC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perrott@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Michael G Perrott) Subject: Re: Tweezerfiles Pt.11 Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:35:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3disq3INN687@twain.ucs.umass.edu> References: <19941212.213@his.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <19941212.213@his.com>, wrote: > 11/2/94 Bangor Municipal Auditorium, Bangor, ME > >ANYWAY, was this Tweezer worth all the bullshit outside? Sure it was. >To have heard it *live* is really not the same as hearing it on tape >I remembered the Tweezer as much more incredible and exciting *live* >than it is on tape. I agree with you here, charlie, but tapes never match Phish live, so i never expect them to. I know you said "much more" up there, indicating that this was more than just the normal "live vs tape" thing, but I really like this tweezer *almost* as much live as on tape. And live, I was loosing it! :-) I guess with this Tweezer it's a matter of taste. I love avantgarde sorta experimental music and this is exactly it! It's not hard, driving or consistent, but it takes you sooo many places. Were they "tweezer"? probably not, but they were defenetely sandwiched in Tweezer :-) Like the jam out of Simple at Ann Arbor, it's just free form creativity, and I love that stuff :-) I happen to like this better than Ann Arbor, I think due to the eerie nature. Can't articulate more than this, but I'll continue to defend this tweezer and this show as some of my favorite Phish in 1994! :-) thanks for all the tweezer reviews! -Mikey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 03:55:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21964; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:55:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12296; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:42:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12251; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:38:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodS-00000QC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawall@xmission.com (Raptor) Subject: Re: A challenge to Clinton bashers. (Was: The Fiske Coverup) Date: 24 Dec 1994 18:10:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3digpj$ogs@xmission.xmission.com> References: <3c7p5i$7jr@xmission.xmis <3c85h2$l2c@epicycle.lm.com> <3cb2fq$u2@xmission.xmission.com> <3cgf1b$57@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <3cijbn$fo2@xmission.xmission.com> <1994Dec15.193442.17781@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <3ct0vq$7vu@xmission.xmission.com> <1994Dec22.145018.10584@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <3df2k4$1d4@xmission.xmission.com> <3dfiso$btb@news.u.washington.edu> Status: O X-Status: kwarner@cac.washington.edu (Kurt Warner) writes: >In article <3df2k4$1d4@xmission.xmission.com>, lawall@xmission.com (Raptor) writes: I don't know what I was looking at when I said that the last eight or so Republican budgets increased the debt at faster and faster rates. That is not the case. >Clinton actually said "In the last 21 months we have cut the deficit for >3 years in a row for the first time since Truman was president." Any thinking person would see that that statement is internally inconsistent. >You'll note declining deficits: >1986 == -203.9 billion >1987 == -151.9 billion >1988 == -143.3 billion >1989 == -114.3 billion >These last 3 declining deficits are the last 3 Reagan budgets! >Also note that the last one of -114.3 billion is about 2.25 times smaller >than Clintons deficit. That is meaningless, however. There's considerable momentum from year to year as programs are financed for several years at a time. The deficit is at least as slow to cut as it is to increase. >Furthermore, as you pointed out in a previous post, the budget cycle is >from October to October. Therefore Clintons budgets have only been in effect >currently about 14 months. So where does Clinton get off saying "in the last >21 months we have..." and "for 3 years in a row..." Both of these are also >extremely misleading! So in one statement, KKKlinton made 3 (that's THREE) >lies! The president's name is Clinton. >If you want to know if he's lying, just look to see if his lips are moving! That is a lie, and rather a hateful statement, don't you think? -- Lynn Wallace I could never be a woman. I'd just sit around lawall@xmission.com and play with my breasts all day. I'm not a raving extremist, I just look like one on the net. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:12:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23514; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:12:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12541; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:52:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12524; Sun, 25 Dec 94 03:51:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodV-0000VOC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- faksmodemy WNUTR. 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The good >news is that the CD itself will work with Warp. The bad news is that the Aria >believe it or not will not. For my friend's, PS/1, their only advice was to >return the system to the store where she brought it. She found a good deal on >a SB16 instead . >That will at least allow you to install from CD and use the Warp while you >compose a message to the IBM PC Company and share with them your views >on bozos who sell incompatible hardware for their own company's software. > >Merry Christmas and Happy New Year > >> > >|===================================================================| >| http://www.eden.com/~jbarr | "The difference between me and | >| Internet: jbarr@eden.com | the surrealists is that I am a | >| Fidonet: 1:382/46.0 | surrealist." | >| CIS: 74000,3527 | Salvador Dali | >|===================================================================| For what it is worth, the driver for the Aria sound card is supposed to be released sometime in the new year, not sure exactly when although I am sure there is a lot of heat on the IBM PC company to get with the program. =================================================================== Henning Faurschou ****Team OS/2 Canada**** Hennin1@ibm.net 3012 Lazy A St. Coquitlam B.C. Canada V3C 3N7 =================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:29:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24841; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:29:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13114; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:16:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13100; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:15:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocQ-0000TiC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zeke@seanet.com (zeke) Subject: Re: hourly limit? Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:05:29 GMT Message-Id: <3dj5jp$h7a@kaleka.seanet.com> References: <3d8dju$6jj@cascade.pnw.net> Status: O X-Status: Reply via e-mail for info about pnw.net (aka Connected.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:30:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24898; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:30:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13233; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:17:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13217; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:17:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLocs-0000USC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lazer1@ix.netcom.com (Lazer Berisha) Subject: VASELINE--For BOS.KONGRES Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:58:41 GMT Message-Id: <3dj8nh$cds@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: People are asking where can they buy Vaseline made by LaRouche. PS. I heard that they carry it also in menthylated form.Vozdra Lazer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:31:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25045; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:31:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13003; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:15:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12880; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:12:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoeb-0000WvC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kagass@ix.netcom.com (Tom Chick) Subject: Re: WANTED: IQ Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:17:05 GMT Message-Id: <3dj9q1$cuc@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3cr8cp$f2p@clarknet.clark.net> <3cs3em$65j@access1.digex.net> <3cto5j$htr@clarknet.clark.net> Status: O X-Status: In <3cto5j$htr@clarknet.clark.net> phloon@clark.net (Phloon) writes: > > >Ok... how about this...... > >What if one of you kind souls living near a store selling IQ purchased a >copy to sell me. I've been all over Maryland and nobody's ever heard of >it (I suspect this has to do with some alimal rights lobbyist). >I could (if necesary) even toss in a few extra bucks for your trouble. > >So, how about it? > >RP > > RP, You might want to try NathanS435@aol.com . -Bolivar Kagass, just bein' helpful From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:37:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25524; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:37:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13817; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:25:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13805; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:25:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLof2-0000XYC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scythe@u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) Subject: Re: Free will vs omniscience (was Re: on EVIL (was Re: A chess match ) Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:04:14 GMT Message-Id: <3dj20u$4nr@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <3dg1g2$4lg@mcmail2.cis.mcmaster.ca> <3dieao$330@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3dintc$np3@mcmail2.cis.mcmaster.ca> Status: RO X-Status: In article <3dintc$np3@mcmail2.cis.mcmaster.ca>, Jeff Shirton wrote: >In article <3dieao$330@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, >The Grim Reaper wrote: >>In article <3dg1g2$4lg@mcmail2.cis.mcmaster.ca>, >>Jeff Shirton wrote: >>>In article <3dfrrm$n5v@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, >>>The Grim Reaper wrote: [analogy deleted] >>>The problem with your analogy is that foreknowledge isn't knowing >>>something before the primary person knows it, but rather knowing >>>something before it actually happens. > >>Right. Any analogy that anyone makes is going to be flawed in this respect, >>because there is no situation similar to God's situation. God is God, by >>definition. > >That's all fine and dandy, Grim, but the problem is that your analogy >isn't simply "flawed", but that it doesn't even _BEGIN_ to show what >you want it to show. It is *useless*. > >You have an analogy which shows that a person can know something as >soon as it happens (eg. picking a card), yet it still be a "choice". > >I agree. > >But then you simply _ASS_U_ME_ that when God knows what's going to >happen before it does, it still remains a free "choice" by the >individual. > >You are assuming your conclusion, Grim... You are "begging the question". I'm sorry... I don't have a better analogy to use, because I don't think there is one. I just have yet to see how God can affect the situation if he only observes it. Someone prove that to me, and I'll concede the point. [same old thing snipped] >> Look, let's make the analogy a little easier. Say, once you pick a >> card, you can't change your mind. Now, as soon as your hand touches >> the card, I know which card you're going to pick. > >1) Your knowledge occurs only _AFTER_ the decision has been made. > >2) Once you "know" which card has been picked, no other "choice" > is possible. Aw, fuck. I can't give a better one, so I'm trying to twist this one to be as much like the "real" situation as possible. Here on earth, assuming God exists, is omniscient, and we have free will (bear with me...), we make our choices without knowledge of the future. We make our choices without knowing what our future is going to be. We make our choices without knowing that anyone knows what our choices are going to be. We are not usually coerced into making our decisions. This is free will, isn't it? In the card picking situation, we aren't coerced into picking one card or the other. We can choose, but we don't know which card it is, because we can't see it. Meanwhile, God sees the results of our actions, before the actions occur. He doesn't touch the world, doesn't affect the actions, he just watches them. Okay... this just occured to me... maybe it's more convincing: If god doesn't exist, and we have free will, there's no contradiction, right? Nothing stops us from doing whatever we want, besides gravity. Now, add in a God. We don't know God exists. God does not communicate or touch our lives in any way (for purposes of this thought experiment). God can, however, see the future, see our future. How can this possibly change our actions, if God does not interfere? And if it can't change our actions, how does it restrict our free will? >> This isn't the same as God, who knows which card you're going >>to pick before you even sit down, but it's closer. > >No, it's _NOT_ the same as God, as God's knowledge comes _before_ >the "choice" is made, and therefore if the possibility of a true >"choice" existed, God's "knowledge" would be faulty. We have the choice, God just knows what we're going to choose. >> All God is doing is observation. >So you say... Isn't he? That's all that omniscience entails, in this case. >> As long as God doesn't act on the information God sees, it should not >> affect your choice. So how does this deny free will? > >Let me ask you this... If you have the "choice" to pick either >or , and God knows "beforehand" that you will choose , then is >it possible for you to choose , contrary to God's "knowledge"? >If it is possible, then what does that say about God's "knowledge"? >(He thought you were going to pick , remember?) >If it is not possible, then how can you call it a "choice"? If you pick , God knew it. If you pick , God knew it. yes, this seems illogical. We're dealing with God here, not a human. Whichever one you finally decide to pick, God knew you were going to pick that one. [rest of text deleted... just rehashing the argument in different ways] >Peace, > >Theophilus >-- >Jeff Shirton (VE3OJS) McMaster University a8202381@mcmaster.ca >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Thanks to the Interstate Highway System, it is now possible to travel across > the country from coast to coast without seeing anything." - Charles Kuralt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:43:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25955; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:43:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14095; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:29:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14082; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:28:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoc6-0000T2C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- faksmodemy WNE[N. USRobotics Courier V.Everything V.32bis/Terbo/V.FC/V.34,(28800bps DANNYE,14400bps FAKS),$630(ILI RUBLI),SO SKLADA W mOSKWE M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,238-3711 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:37:58 +0300 Status: O X-Status: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 04:58:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26932; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:58:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15047; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:41:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15035; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:41:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodG-00000MC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gordon@barsoom.rtp.dg.com (Gordon Haff) Subject: Re: Phone numbers for Folding Kayaks Message-Id: <1994Dec23.173204.23648@us.dg.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 94 17:32:04 GMT References: <3co4sq$kje@cedar.mr.net> <3d0b5t$a4e@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3d0b5t$a4e@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>, whit_e@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Whitney Elfner) writes: > Flobots might be the cheapest of the folders and I don't see them > listed. > > I think they are in Greensboro? SC. Charleston. 800-528-9592. -- Gordon Haff Data General Westborough MA gordon@barsoom.us.dg.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:00:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26996; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:00:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13992; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:27:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13976; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:27:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodo-0000VtC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flypba@netcom.com (Gordon Werner) Subject: F16Takeoff.mov, part 09/31 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 23:40:54 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hello There... This is a QuickTime movie of an F-16 Fighter at Takeoff. This is a flattened QuickTime movie...but since I only have a macintosh I cannot guarantee that it will work on other platforms. However, if it works on other computers or not, this is a QuickTime movie from the ABC News Forum on America Online. If you do not receive all of this file, I WILL NOT REPOST IT!!!, instead, It will be in my FTP account at FTP.NETCOM.COM in the directory pub/fl/flypba/QuickTime Enjoy FlyPBA #!/bin/sh # # This is a self-extracting shell archive of the binary file "F16Takeoff.mov". # Created on Sat Dec 24 15:40:51 PST 1994 by post-bin, revision 2.3. # # To decode with /bin/sh, remove everything before the /bin/sh and feed # each piece as input to /bin/sh. When all the pieces have been # processed, the archive will automatically concatenate the pieces and # uudecode them to produce F16Takeoff.mov. If successful, it will remove all # uuencoded pieces. Alternatively, the archive(s) may be processed with # no editing by the unshar program. # # If you do not have /bin/sh or unix, you may decode by removing # everthing before/after the lines beginning with the word BEGIN/END, # respectively, in each piece. 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Removing uuencoded pieces. rm $pfile.[0-9]* fi exit 0 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:02:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27092; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:02:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13475; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:38:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13452; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:37:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLofF-0000XvC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jay Shoup Subject: Re: wx on 410.1 & 416.375 Date: Sat, 24 DEC 94 20:21:13 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3cg8jm$5r@news1.shell> Status: O X-Status: Bob Parnass, AJ9S writes: > >Anyone know why I am receiving WX braodcasts on > > > > 410.100 > > 416.375 > > > >???? You are likely rec. a link freq. A freq used to relay from one one location to another... ShoupJw@Delphi.Com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:02:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27119; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:02:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13210; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:29:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13194; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:28:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLodw-0000W4C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vadim@pluscom.msk.su Subject: -=*[]*=- apgrejd USRobotics Sportster V.FC DO V.34, $35, M.oKTQBRXSKAQ (095)238-3777,-3711,-5343.(PISXMO). Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 09:38:17 +0300 Status: O X-Status: Hi; åÓÌÉ ÄÁÎÎÙÊ ÍÏÄÅÍ ÐÏËÕÐÁÌÓÑ Õ á/ï ðìàó, ÓÔÏÉÍÏÓÔØ ÁÐÇÒÅÊÄÁ - $29. -- ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ÷ÁÄÉÍ ðÁÎÆÅÒÏ×. á/ï ðìàó. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:05:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27371; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:05:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15871; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:51:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15835; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:51:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoeN-0000WkC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Karam@ix.netcom.com (William Sperling) Subject: Re: WC3: The Best Computer Game Ever Made? Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:14:26 GMT Message-Id: <3dj9l2$ctj@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3cpt1t$bdh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3cv19o$hek@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <3da9m4$an3@nuscc.nus.sg> <3df2on$113@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: O X-Status: This is definitly the best game ever made. 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Za duraka ya derzhu Mazina. >> > >> Interesno uznat' pochemu? Hochetsja sprosit' - potomu chto ja kuda >> bol'she washego powidal i swoi zakljuchenija wysasywaju ne iz pal'ca, >> a beru iz lichnogo opyta? Tak ved' wy zhe skazhete, mol, durak, polmira >> ob'ezdil i nichemu ne nauchilsja? >> >> Tak wse zhe nel'zja li po-konkretnej? > >Let me keep you wondering... > If you want to keep me inetrested any longer, keep saying something new... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:12:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27652; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:12:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13770; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:57:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13717; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:52:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLofK-0000Y5C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hsujanto@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Heintje Sujanto) Subject: OS2 faqs?? Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:46:24 GMT Message-Id: <3djbh0$if@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi, I just get the OS2 complimentary CD ROM without any instalation guide. I tried to install it, but I failed. My problems are: - I used Diamond speedstar pro video driver, after I run Disk 1, the OS2 picture in my monitor become three, and my monitor sounded a high frequency sound. I install the OS2 driver, but it did the same thing. - I turn of my monitor while the Disk 1 loading the installation program. Then when it stop loading, I turn on the monitor, and the screen show some information that says put OS2 CD-rom in the cd rom and press enter. But the computer seemed doesn't recognize my cdrom. So I failed again. By the way the CDrom that I had is the one from SoundBlaster packages. Is there any faqs on how to install OS2? Or may be someone can help me solve this problem? Please send any information to hsujanto@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu Thank in advance for all the information provided. Heinz. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:12:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27675; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:12:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15943; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:52:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15787; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:50:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoez-0000XTC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: flypba@netcom.com (Gordon Werner) Subject: F16Takeoff.mov, part 10/31 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 23:40:58 GMT Status: O X-Status: Hello There... This is a QuickTime movie of an F-16 Fighter at Takeoff. This is a flattened QuickTime movie...but since I only have a macintosh I cannot guarantee that it will work on other platforms. However, if it works on other computers or not, this is a QuickTime movie from the ABC News Forum on America Online. If you do not receive all of this file, I WILL NOT REPOST IT!!!, instead, It will be in my FTP account at FTP.NETCOM.COM in the directory pub/fl/flypba/QuickTime Enjoy FlyPBA #!/bin/sh # # This is a self-extracting shell archive of the binary file "F16Takeoff.mov". # Created on Sat Dec 24 15:40:56 PST 1994 by post-bin, revision 2.3. # # To decode with /bin/sh, remove everything before the /bin/sh and feed # each piece as input to /bin/sh. When all the pieces have been # processed, the archive will automatically concatenate the pieces and # uudecode them to produce F16Takeoff.mov. If successful, it will remove all # uuencoded pieces. 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Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:13:23 GMT Message-Id: <3dj62j$cur@news.halcyon.com> References: <3dhvrt$jjr@tuegate.tue.nl> Status: O X-Status: In article <3dhvrt$jjr@tuegate.tue.nl>, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: >I think the soundblaster doesn't pass the sound on.... Me thinks that you either did not install the audio cable between your CD-ROM and sound card, or its connection is marginal (failed). This is pretty basic stuff and the CD-ROM's installation manual must have pointed this out. Joe Pannon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:12:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27708; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:12:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13542; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:40:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13508; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:39:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoeU-0000WqC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: carpenterv@vmsa.csd.mu.edu (CBIP Moderator) Subject: v28i30: jpg5a386.zip, JPEG Groups's JPEG software:386ver (part 03/06) Date: 25 Dec 1994 04:51:38 GMT Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: Checksum: 70929548 (Verify with "brik -cv") X-Submissions-to: cbip@vms.csd.mu.edu X-Questions-to: cbip-request@vms.csd.mu.edu Submitted-by: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane) Posting-number: Volume 28, Issue30 Archive-name: jpg5a386 BEGIN--cut here--cut here MX)LS#+_!NFN0]<]S\`3;IEW6S2HX,;Y_XHSW]*$6B,.6DZOL43X9%#6HFW7S MX,[3F[H-GGN7]<^,TN;[JTYI!LIZY>,HZ^9N2$94P&O!H((HX"K-7+"A`:?L MTVS@@-&H6`PZ805?1C`W#&\VS;VKH%O!X'V[KI/(H]PV&8I>7T]EJ\ZSX&)% M-Z=//:8'.E)#O@C)\O?ZW+"#M12/*SL:.D%\$8O5'Q@*5"R.X\N[80. 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Could > someone tell me what kind of simm slot configuration the LC has? And > how many and of what kind of ram she would need to get to 8 megs from > her current 4 megs (2M onboard, 2M in the slot(s)). Thanks. --Rob I went thru this upgrade a few months ago. The quick answer is: "You can't get there from here." The useful answer is: Upgrade to 10 Meg. You need 30-pin simms, which is standard for older machines. The new 72-pin simms won't work. You also need 2 simms because you must replace them in pairs. Since there are only two simm slots, you have to remove the 2 1-meg simms already installed. You can replace them with either 2-meg or 4-meg simms. This would give you either 6 or 10 meg total. So upgrading to 8-meg is not possible. Upgrading beyond 10 meg is also out of the question, as 10 meg is the most that the original LC and LC ][ can recognize. -- Tom Wolfe, Systems Analyst Internet: twjj490@wadnr.gov WA State Dept. of Natural Resources Phone: (206) 902-1541 Olympia, WA Fax: (206) 902-1470 "And so it went; thousands of messages, hundreds of points of view. It was not called the Net of a Million Lies for nothing." - Vernor Vinge From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:15:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27814; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:15:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16419; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:04:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16413; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:04:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLofy-0000ZGC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: budgross@ix.netcom.com (Hiram Gross) Subject: GWM in Holland wants penpals Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:26:08 GMT Message-Id: <3djab0$d41@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: I am a 25 yr old GWM American who is studying in Rotterdam. I am looking for e-mail penpals. I am studying an MBA here, so I am interested in business, also politics, travel, languages... My e-amil address is MBA-Gross@pc-lab.fbk.eur.nl Who is out there? (I will be picking up messages beginning Jan. 5th or so, at the moment I'm visiting my parents for Christmas near Los Angeles...) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:15:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27847; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:15:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16373; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:03:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16367; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:03:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLofX-0000YMC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: SPLEENRIPPA@PARABOL.cl.sub.de (Florian Ilgenfritz) Subject: ftp? Date: 23 Dec 94 00:00:00 GMT Message-Id: <5cPBdUtCIYB@pspleen.parabol.cl.sub.de> Status: O X-Status: Msg sent: Fr, 23.12.94 tag zusammen! was sind eigentlich genau ftp-server und wie kann man sich files von denen holen? etwa mit /nachricht/fileserver/* ? flo -- *SPLEENRIPPA@PARABOL.CL.SUB.DE* "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:16:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27876; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:16:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16470; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:06:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16463; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:06:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLog5-0000ZSC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mazin@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) Subject: Re: O literaturnyh perevodah. Message-Id: <25Dec94.042349.18218@granite.ciw.edu> Date: 25 Dec 94 04:23:49 GMT References: <3dcd89$2tt1@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Status: O X-Status: In article c0597116@techst02.technion.ac.il (Asinowski Andrei ^^^) writes: >i kto-to drugoi... Chto kto-to iz Amerikanskikh izvestnykh literatorov ili >kritikov, buduchi v SSSR, udivlialsia, chto Vonnegut tam tak >populiaren. V otvet na razyasneniya on skazal: "Pokhozhe, Vonnegut >v perevode sil'no vyigryvayet po sravneniyu s originalom". > I chto wy wse tak na Vonneguta nabrosilis'? Luchshee chto ja chital u nego - Mother Night - pri mne woobshe perewedeno ne bylo. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:17:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27943; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:17:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16134; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:56:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16122; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:56:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoeg-0000WzC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Shen Subject: Re: CDMA TECHNICAL HURDLES Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:01:35 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Dec 1994 us000214@interramp.com wrote: > > After the many CDMA trials what technical issues need to be resolved before > CDMA can be deployed in the "real" world? > > Thanks, Marc If my memory serves me correctly, CDMA has had a real world trial in Dallas, TX. (At least SOMEWHERE in TX). Qualcomm did at least. I just called up US West and they said they have all the CDMA stuff and ready to go digital. They said it's just a "flip-of the switch". They said they'll have CDMA on the market (OH! This is all in Seattle BTW) by the first - second quarter of '95. I've already seen some of the CDMA dual-mode phones... And HOLY-SMOKES! IT LOOKS JUST LIKE A REGULAR AMPS PHONE! :) - Daniel Kao Fiddling around with his NAMPS Nokia N201 and TDMA Motorola flip... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:17:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27964; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:17:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16139; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:57:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16108; Sun, 25 Dec 94 04:56:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLofN-0000Y9C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: trashy@jaegermeister.wien.reshall.columbia.edu (Rev. Trashcan Man) Subject: Clever Guy (21) iso Clever Gal (18-23) Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:18:29 GMT Message-Id: <3dj9sl$6nn@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi there! Has the idea of meeting a guy with a twisted, yet charming, sense of humor ever appealed to you? Does hanging out with a guy who is fueled by caffeine sound like fun? Is irony sexy? Are you funny? Are you funny looking? If you can answer yes to any of these questions, and you live in NYC, well, then I'd like to hear from you. I'm primarily looking for a swm who is fun loving, nutty, eccentric, and can deal with a guy who plays cymbals. Hope to hear from you. Check out my web page (see the .sig for URL) for more info on me. Rev. Trashcan Man, a.k.a. Constantino "Trashy" Tobio, Jr. -- Rev. Trashcan Man is Constantino Tobio, Jr. Head Manager, CUMB G(tb)^2 ----Trashy's Home Page---- "I'll tell you about a dream I had a couple of nights ago, we were in a marching band, putting on a show..." -The Stew Leonard's Farm Fresh Five From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 05:28:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28378; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:28:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16559; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:09:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16526; Sun, 25 Dec 94 05:08:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLogd-0000aZC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kkaemduk@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu (Kyungmo Kim) Subject: Q:Mitsumi 4X drvies.. Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:16:54 GMT Message-Id: <3dj9pm$3re@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Status: O X-Status: Hi! I have arrived here right now.. Here's Korea, My sister will come to America tomorrow. I want to buy a CD-rom Drives, and You say Mitsumi 4X drive is so cheap. She will come to New-york,and Where can she buy Mitsumi there? and What kind of interface does Mistumi use? SCSI or other sound card? I read about EDIE but I don't know what it is...My computer is just IDE computer.. Please tell me about Mistumi CD-drives.. Thanks for reading.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 08:17:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25305; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:17:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01823; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:02:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01817; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:02:20 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00337; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:02:01 +0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:02:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? In-Reply-To: <3di7q1$3jm@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 982 Status: O X-Status: On 24 Dec 1994, Bruce Welch wrote: > Excuse me for my ignorance - I only use this "trick" every other day or > so, but why is everybody assuming that you have to use the " | " > command? > > On the main screen choose setup. Choose printer. Choose 3. Type in > > uudecode > > Nothing else, no " | ", no file name. > > Read the uuencoded message (or view the mime attached uuencoded > message). Type "Y" to print. Uudecode does the rest. file.gz appears > in your mail directory. mv it where you want it. With this kind of > simple solution, it's no wonder that pine has no "built-in" uudecode. > Try it, you'll like it :-) That works, but then you've got to go back into Setup and reset the printer before you can print anything. It's a lot quicker to leave the printer setting alone, enable the Pipe command in pine's config, then just issue "| uudecode" when ever you need to. ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 08:53:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25842; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:53:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02228; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:40:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02222; Mon, 26 Dec 94 08:40:44 -0800 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02893; Mon, 26 Dec 94 11:38:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:38:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Anyone get Xmas present of junk mail fr. pine maillist? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On 12/25/94 I received nearly 400 pieces of mail from the pine maillist. Most of them were repeated 3 to 6 times, very few of them had anthing at all to do with pine, and some of them were obscene. Did anyone else on the list have this experience? Is the mail server for the list functioning properly, or did someone some how gain improper access to it? Since that time the flow of messages (from all the maillists to which I subscribed) has almost dried up altogether. I am mystified...and a little apprehensive. Can anyone shed any light on what may have happened? Ben Feese From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 09:18:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26484; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:18:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05486; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:04:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from email.unc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05480; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:04:02 -0800 Received: by email.unc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA46267; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:03:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Mitchell To: "Ben T. Feese" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Anyone get Xmas present of junk mail fr. pine maillist? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yep, It's my guess that everyone on the list received the material which Ben mentioned. I alerted the postmaster at cac.washington.edu of the occurance. Most probably there is someone on the list who is a member of some very unusual newsgroups and is unaware that they are cross-posting. Paul ============================================================================== Paul Mitchell email: paul_mitchell@unc.edu Office of Information Technology phone: (919) 962-2571 University of North Carolina ............................ ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 09:42:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26863; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:42:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02930; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:29:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02918; Mon, 26 Dec 94 09:29:51 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00405; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:29:33 +0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP! 3 questions.. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1040 Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 23 Dec 1994, Greg Tayman_ wrote: > As it seems my University now has 3.91 & I now see the > benefits, (like posting).. :> > Did someone say there is multi-interruption and postponing ??? how many > if so? No limit, if I remember correctly. As for how it works, try this: o Press "C" to compose. If Pine asks whether to continue a postponed message, say "N". o Write a short message. o Press ^O to postpone it. o Repeat the above several times. This will give you several messages in your "postponed-msg" folder. Now press "C" to compose again, but this time reply "Y" when Pine asks if you want to continue a postponed message. Pine will show you the index for the "postponed-msg" folder, from which you can select the message you want to continue working on. If there is only one message in "postponed-msg", Pine shows it to you immediately. If there is more than one, Pine shows you the index. ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 13:40:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01152; Mon, 26 Dec 94 13:40:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05967; Mon, 26 Dec 94 13:28:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05961; Mon, 26 Dec 94 13:27:58 -0800 Received: (from sbpmtm@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA00276; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:27:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: SBPM Tech Mgt Subject: Re: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? To: Steve Hubert Cc: Jay Allen , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Good to know we can have more than one address book but I'd appreciate learning how to do it. TIA. On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:03:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Steve Hubert > To: Jay Allen > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? > > You can have more than one address book in pine, one for business and one > for personal, say. You can't directly use a mailrc alias. You would > need to translate it to an address book entry first. > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tin-Mala ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tech. Mgt. Phone: 202-994-8637 SBPM, GWU Fax: 301-365-3666 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 14:17:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01902; Mon, 26 Dec 94 14:17:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09329; Mon, 26 Dec 94 14:05:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09323; Mon, 26 Dec 94 14:05:19 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA24767; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:06:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:06:47 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: Deleting Alot of Mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: During the rash of "junk mail" that came from pine-info this weekend, I became so aggrevated with it that I just wanted to delete all of my new mail. I attempted to delete the folder INBOX (where my new mail lives,) but recieved the message that pine could not delete the 'special' folder INBOX. How can I get around this in the future?? Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 15:17:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02810; Mon, 26 Dec 94 15:17:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07069; Mon, 26 Dec 94 15:04:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07063; Mon, 26 Dec 94 15:04:30 -0800 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03626; Mon, 26 Dec 94 18:01:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 18:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I dunno...I just did it the hard way...manually, msg by msg. BTW, in manually marking all these hundreds of articles for deletion, it occurred to me that it would be great if there could be a *single* keystroke in pine that could mark an article and move to the next article in the list; currently I must hit three keys: ; Anybody have any suggestions? Ben Feese ============================================================================= On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > During the rash of "junk mail" that came from pine-info this weekend, I > became so aggrevated with it that I just wanted to delete all of my new > mail. I attempted to delete the folder INBOX (where my new mail lives,) > but recieved the message that pine could not delete the 'special' folder > INBOX. > > How can I get around this in the future?? > > Mary Aplin > Loyola University, New Orleans > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 16:29:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03851; Mon, 26 Dec 94 16:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10736; Mon, 26 Dec 94 16:17:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10728; Mon, 26 Dec 94 16:16:56 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 27 Dec 94 08:15:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 08:15:21 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Ben T. Feese" Cc: Mary Aplin , pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: > I dunno...I just did it the hard way...manually, msg by msg. > > BTW, in manually marking all these hundreds of articles for deletion, it > occurred to me that it would be great if there could be a *single* > keystroke in pine that could mark an article and move to the next article > in the list; currently I must hit three keys: ; > > Anybody have any suggestions? > > Ben Feese > ============================================================================= > On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > > > During the rash of "junk mail" that came from pine-info this weekend, I > > became so aggrevated with it that I just wanted to delete all of my new > > mail. I attempted to delete the folder INBOX (where my new mail lives,) > > but recieved the message that pine could not delete the 'special' folder > > INBOX. > > > > How can I get around this in the future?? > > > > Mary Aplin > > Loyola University, New Orleans > > > If you *really* want to get rid of all the email in you "INBOX" you could always do something like: cat /dev/null > /usr/spool/username Another key of interest would be the ";" key. With that key, and a few others you can mark a set of messages and then use the "a" "d" keystroke sequence to "apply" the "delete" command on the marked messages. As a side note...the person responsible for mail-bombing the pine-info list is a disgruntled child who received less than expected under the Christmas tree. Seeing as how the "pine" tree is generally connected with Christmas, the twisted child felt this was one way of getting back at Santa. Also, generally speaking, the days of 12/24 through 12/26 are generally slow news days. Most people have better things to do with their lives...even if they don't celebrate the holiday. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 17:51:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05288; Mon, 26 Dec 94 17:51:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11782; Mon, 26 Dec 94 17:39:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from feenix.metronet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11776; Mon, 26 Dec 94 17:39:19 -0800 Received: by metronet.com id AA08743 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 19:34:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 19:34:34 -0600 (CST) From: prplhaze To: Mary Aplin Cc: pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > During the rash of "junk mail" that came from pine-info this weekend, I > became so aggrevated with it that I just wanted to delete all of my new > mail. I attempted to delete the folder INBOX (where my new mail lives,) > but recieved the message that pine could not delete the 'special' folder > INBOX. > How can I get around this in the future?? i use the following to delete all mail 1. use <;> comand to select 2. then for all 3. then again for apply command 4. then for delete this will delete all mail messages hope this helps prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side |so can you tell me please..............who won |...go ask alice....i think she'll know........ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Dec 26 20:41:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07682; Mon, 26 Dec 94 20:41:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10689; Mon, 26 Dec 94 20:27:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10683; Mon, 26 Dec 94 20:27:36 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09426; Mon, 26 Dec 94 20:27:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 20:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Paul Mitchell Cc: "Ben T. Feese" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Anyone get Xmas present of junk mail fr. pine maillist? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Paul, Just fyi: U.W. does not operate the comp.mail.pine <-> pine-info gateway, therefore mail to postmaster@cac.washington.edu probably won't help solve the problem (but apparently the crisis is over...) -teg On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Paul Mitchell wrote: > Yep, > It's my guess that everyone on the list received the material which Ben > mentioned. I alerted the postmaster at cac.washington.edu of the occurance. > Most probably there is someone on the list who is a member of some very > unusual newsgroups and is unaware that they are cross-posting. > > Paul > > ============================================================================== > Paul Mitchell email: paul_mitchell@unc.edu > Office of Information Technology phone: (919) 962-2571 > University of North Carolina ............................ > ============================================================================== > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 01:47:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12610; Tue, 27 Dec 94 01:47:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17047; Tue, 27 Dec 94 01:32:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17041; Tue, 27 Dec 94 01:32:31 -0800 Received: from ftsu09.ee.TU-Berlin.DE by mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE with SMTP (PP); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:32:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:35:32 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Niebank To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Trash-Mails via pine-info mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi, first of all I wish a happy new year to all of you reading this mail.... second: Over the christmas-holidays I received over 400 mails concerning anything but pine. It seems to me as if other newsgroups have been gatewayed into the pine mailing list (??!!) What has happend that I'm getting all this trash from "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" ?? Did it happen to others too ? Ciao, Andreas Niebank ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 08:51:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20662; Tue, 27 Dec 94 08:51:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22171; Tue, 27 Dec 94 08:42:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22165; Tue, 27 Dec 94 08:42:48 -0800 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04538; Tue, 27 Dec 94 11:40:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 11:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: prplhaze Cc: Mary Aplin , pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The "tag-em-all & then delete em all" method will obviously work quickly -- but indiscriminately. I was not prepared to assume all ~400 of the messages in my INBOX, even those with pine- somewhere in them, were junk. Situations like this often arise--where the bulk of the target messages will get a certain action to be applied to tagged messages, but a few must be treated very differently. That's why a "tag & move to next" single-key function operating in the index (*or*, even more helpfully, from *within* the view mode would be so very helpful. I trust some of the Great Pine Makers in the Washington Sky who will bring us the next version of pine are tuning in to this exchange! Ben Feese ========================================================================= On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, prplhaze wrote: > On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Mary Aplin wrote: > > During the rash of "junk mail" that came from pine-info this weekend, I > > became so aggrevated with it that I just wanted to delete all of my new > > mail. I attempted to delete the folder INBOX (where my new mail lives,) > > but recieved the message that pine could not delete the 'special' folder > > INBOX. > > How can I get around this in the future?? > i use the following to delete all mail > 1. use <;> comand to select > 2. then for all > 3. then again for apply command > 4. then for delete > this will delete all mail messages > hope this helps > > > prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side > |so can you tell me please..............who won > |...go ask alice....i think she'll know........ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 10:35:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24182; Tue, 27 Dec 94 10:35:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24148; Tue, 27 Dec 94 10:27:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rodan.rs.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24142; Tue, 27 Dec 94 10:27:20 -0800 Received: from terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu by rodan.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id NAA02259; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 13:27:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 13:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Bjorklund X-Sender: allan@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu To: "Ben T. Feese" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, root@rain.psg.com Subject: Re: Anyone get Xmas present of junk mail fr. pine maillist? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: > On 12/25/94 I received nearly 400 pieces of mail from the pine > maillist. Most of them were repeated 3 to 6 times, very few of them had > anthing at all to do with pine, and some of them were obscene. > > Did anyone else on the list have this experience? Is the mail server for > the list functioning properly, or did someone some how gain improper > access to it? > > Since that time the flow of messages (from all the maillists to which I > subscribed) has almost dried up altogether. I am mystified...and a > little apprehensive. Can anyone shed any light on what may have happened? > > Ben Feese > > From examining the headers of the messages, someone passing themselves off as "m0rLoad"[1] used rain.psg.com to dump all of these messages here. They appear to have began just after midnight on December 25th. I didn't bother to find out how long they kept it going or to find the exact starting time, since I wanted to delete messages and get back under my mail quota. Maybe someone at rain.psg.com was logging connections and can trace it further back. --Allan [1] I'm guessing on this, since I saw variants of "m0rLoad" in received lines added by rain.psg.com. ============================================================================= Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 14:04:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00279; Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:04:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25671; Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:01:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rip.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25665; Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:01:24 -0800 Received: by rip.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rMjxJ-000308C; Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:01 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:01 PST From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) To: Allan Bjorklund Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Anyone get Xmas present of junk mail fr. pine maillist? References: Indeed, there was a large unwanted holiday present delivered to the pine mailing list. It is my belief that the fault was here at the news/mail gate, not a malicious or otherwise intentional act. At about 04:30, I found the news to mail gateway spewing massive garbage. The necessity to stop it seemed to exceed the need to find the cause of the problem. But then, I had not had my first cup of coffee, and my judgement may have been clouded. This leaves me with only conjecture. My guess is that the in-core image which INN had of the newsfeeds file was somehow corrupted, so it was gating stuff from the wrong newsgroups into the mailing lists. But that's just a guess. Apologies, of course. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 19:21:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08733; Tue, 27 Dec 94 19:21:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00860; Tue, 27 Dec 94 19:16:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00714; Tue, 27 Dec 94 19:05:18 -0800 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00708; Tue, 27 Dec 94 19:05:12 -0800 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine@cac.washington.edu Tue, 27 Dec 94 21:05:11 CST Received: (mjb8@localhost) by quads.uchicago.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id VAA05291; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 21:04:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 21:04:13 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Joseph Brown To: Pine Development Team Cc: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Getting Pine via Gopher In-Reply-To: <9408241626.AA29044@shiva2.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Approved: mjb8@midway.uchicago.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello All: Thursday, I will be going out of town to visit a friend who has access to the Internet, but is having a hard time using his mailing program. I told him about the glories of Pine 3.90, and he wants to use it. My only question is: Can I get Pine 3.90 via Gopher, and if so, where do I need to address my 'gopher' command? Your swift response in this matter would be appreciated. Keep those messages flowing! "Fides Quaerens Intellectum" Michael Joseph Brown (mjb8@midway.uchicago.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 21:53:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11788; Tue, 27 Dec 94 21:53:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05399; Tue, 27 Dec 94 21:48:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05392; Tue, 27 Dec 94 21:48:54 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03358; Wed, 28 Dec 1994 00:48:12 +0500 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 00:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 951 On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: > The "tag-em-all & then delete em all" method will obviously work quickly > -- but indiscriminately. I was not prepared to assume all ~400 of the > messages in my INBOX, even those with pine- somewhere in them, were junk. > Situations like this often arise--where the bulk of the target messages > will get a certain action to be applied to tagged messages, but a few > must be treated very differently. That's why a "tag & move to next" > single-key function operating in the index (*or*, even more helpfully, > from *within* the view mode would be so very helpful. I must misunderstand what you want to do, because in the Index _and_ while viewing messages, hitting "d" will mark the current message for deletion and move you to the next message. It's so straightforward that you _must_ mean something else! :) ------------------------------------- Chip Old From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 28 07:26:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25098; Wed, 28 Dec 94 07:26:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13036; Wed, 28 Dec 94 07:21:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13030; Wed, 28 Dec 94 07:21:38 -0800 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06008; Wed, 28 Dec 94 10:18:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:18:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: Chip Old Cc: pine Subject: Re: Deleting Alot of Mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, I did mean something slightly different--but your response suggests a straigtforward way of doing what I want. I wanted to be able to **tag** (but not necessarily for deletion) articles while in View mode. However, since tag can be applied selectively to articles with a particular status, including status="to-be-deleted", I could: 1. delete articles individually while in the View mode; 2. then go into Index mode and tag all articles marked for deletion; 3. then apply Undelete to all these tagged articles; 4. then, since these (now undeleted) articles are still tagged, I can apply whatever command I want to them. It should work, and I should have seen it sooner, but somehow it still seems a bit clumsy. What I would really like to see within pine is a **macro** function, so that within any mode I could with--a single keystroke--apply a whole series of commands to the current article. Now I'll betcha you tell me I can already do *that* too! ;-) Ben P.S.: the moral of this thread is probably that whenever developers make something really good (like pine), users will like it so much that they will overwhelm the developers with wishlists for gizmos to make it better! A good job is hard to let go of. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On Wed, 28 Dec 1994, Chip Old wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: > > > The "tag-em-all & then delete em all" method will obviously work quickly > > -- but indiscriminately. I was not prepared to assume all ~400 of the > > messages in my INBOX, even those with pine- somewhere in them, were junk. > > Situations like this often arise--where the bulk of the target messages > > will get a certain action to be applied to tagged messages, but a few > > must be treated very differently. That's why a "tag & move to next" > > single-key function operating in the index (*or*, even more helpfully, > > from *within* the view mode would be so very helpful. > > I must misunderstand what you want to do, because in the Index _and_ while > viewing messages, hitting "d" will mark the current message for deletion > and move you to the next message. > > It's so straightforward that you _must_ mean something else! :) > > ------------------------------------- > Chip Old > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 28 11:27:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04024; Wed, 28 Dec 94 11:27:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15510; Wed, 28 Dec 94 11:23:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15504; Wed, 28 Dec 94 11:22:58 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11887; Wed, 28 Dec 94 11:22:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tang Subject: deleting folders (fwd) To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 11:22:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 10:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tang To: pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu Subject: deleting folders to whom it may concern, i have accidentally created some unwanted folders on my main menu. i have tried repeatedly to delete thes folders to no success. i have tried all avenues that i am familiar with. please offer some assistance to my plight. much appreciated richard tang-city of oakland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 29 15:57:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18564; Thu, 29 Dec 94 15:57:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14398; Thu, 29 Dec 94 15:46:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uu4.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14382; Thu, 29 Dec 94 15:45:53 -0800 Received: from msi.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA21588 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 94 18:43:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Rich A. Hurley" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: compiling pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am attempting to compile pine on my sco unix box without success. It is looking for c-client to be a directory with some *.h header files in it. the copy of pine I have has a c-client file of zero bytes, but is not a directory. Help with this as well as any help with the syntax of compiling it would be helpful. I am also trying to compile in on a unix system V box as well! thanks.... rah@masi.com rhurley@teleport.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 09:47:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11667; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:47:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28707; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:40:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28701; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:40:34 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22918; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:40:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:01:06 +0100 (MET) From: Jacob Palme X-Sender: jpalme@ester To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: jpalme@su-kom.dsv.su.se, Sven Olofsson Subject: 8BIT or QUOTED-PRINTABLE in Pine Usenet News articles Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 09:40:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: When I write articles to Usenet News, using Pine set on the ISO 8859-1 character set, then PINE uses the Quoted-Printable encoding. Very few newsreaders can read Quoted-Printable, so this makes my articles very difficult to read if they contain many characters with the 8th bit set. Would it not be better to use the 8BIT encoding when Pine sends messages to Usenet News. I believe that the NNTP protocol can handle 8-bit characters, so there is no need to encode such characters in the ugly Quoted-Printable format in articles sent to network news! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jacob Palme E-mail: jpalme@dsv.su.se Department of Computer and Phone: +46-8-16 16 67 Systems Sciences (DSV) Fax: +46-8-703 90 25 Stockholm University Postal address: Skeppargatan 73, Royal Institute of technology S-11530 Stockholm, Sweden From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 09:55:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12076; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:55:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28981; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:52:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28975; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:52:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNlTi-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rtravsky@UWYO.EDU (Rich Travsky) Subject: Re: Winsock Pine and VMS? Message-Id: <1994Dec30.095239.6824@roper.uwyo.edu> Date: 30 Dec 94 09:52:39 MST References: <1994Dec28.163123.6750@roper.uwyo.edu>,<3dv343$dpj@athena.athenet.net> Philip Nelson writes: >> I've tried a number of ways of formatting the inbox path. >> The manual suggests as a template >> #device:[directory-path]mailfile.mai#folder_name >> and the pinerc says to preface this with the host name in >> curly brackets. Been there, done that, no matter what I try >> I get error number 10061. > >Is the IMAP server running? PMDF doesn't do this by default. Yes. >I use the syntax: >{gbms01.uwgb.edu}[] Yup, tried this shortly before your response came over the wire, and it worked. (Must be ESP!) Sending mail has some kinks yet. PCPine tries to create a sentmail folder, our OpenVMS system doesn't understand the CREATE directive, nor the subsequent APPEND. Mail still goes out tho. Rich Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. Shaken, not stirred. - Jean Luc Bond From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 10:05:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12548; Fri, 30 Dec 94 10:05:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27274; Fri, 30 Dec 94 10:02:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27268; Fri, 30 Dec 94 10:02:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNlaA-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 09:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: compiling pine Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 17:29:19 GMT Message-Id: References: Rich A. Hurley (rah@masi.com) wrote: : I am attempting to compile pine on my sco unix box without success. It : is looking for c-client to be a directory with some *.h header files in : it. the copy of pine I have has a c-client file of zero bytes, but is : not a directory. Help with this as well as any help with the syntax of : compiling it would be helpful. I am also trying to compile in on a unix : system V box as well! Pine should compile without modification on SCO. At least it does on my 3.2.4.2 system. What the most common problem has been is that you need to have the developer's version of TCP/IP. Since SCO sells TCP/IP separately from the O/S, they also have to sell a non-TCP-aware compiler system. Your reseller should warn you that a compiler system on a TCP/IP system isn't the complete picture. To be able to compile interesting things, you _must_ also get the developer's version of the TCP/IP module. So if you have runtime TCP/IP and the compiler system, you still can't compile TCP/IP programs, of which Pine is one. The main symptom is "missing header file netdb.h", and one other I can't remember right now. Pick up binaries for it at ftp.celestial.com, unless you really need to compile it yourself. But definitely see about your TCP/IP version, since if you really want to be able to build sources from the Internet, you'll need it. Bad. Gunther Anderson Unix System Administrator Education Development Center From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 11:15:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15361; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:15:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28589; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:13:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28583; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:13:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNmgQ-00038LC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Can't Post ??? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 18:38:11 GMT Does imapd have to be running for posting to be enabled? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 11:16:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15428; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:16:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00774; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:13:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00768; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:13:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNmgM-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tecoma.mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 18:37:27 GMT References: <3d89kq$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In article <3d89kq$o2i@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Wet-Sprocket wrote: =Comes here Mr. W. Ryan Thomas with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 20 Dec 1994 19:58:41 GMT: = = + > How about defining the nntp-server option in the (S)etup/(C)onfig screen? = =3- (A)dd the local newsserver's address as the value for the nntp-server option. = =The rest will be magic... :-) As in "Poof, no news!"? I had to set the nntp-server AND news-collections, the latter to News *{nntpserver_name/nntp}[] to get it to work. No other combo works. Why?? Happy New Year. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 11:57:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16651; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:57:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01527; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:53:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01521; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:53:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNnL4-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 11:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chengman@umich.edu (Dennis Cheng) Subject: Sending in PCPINE Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:38:48 GMT Message-Id: <3e1nk8$7ue@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I have installed the imapd on an IBM RS/6000 it works fine, but I can't seem to get PCPINE to send mail (I guess because it needs a SMTP server). I was wondering if I could get a server for AIX or OpenVMS or get server software for a PC? Thanks, Dennis Cheng From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:05:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20856; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:05:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01511; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:01:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01505; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:01:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNpIn-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 13:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cshan@hubcap.clemson.edu (Tony Shan) Subject: questions Date: 30 Dec 94 20:58:27 GMT Message-Id: I have 2 questions. 1. How to add "Reply to" automatically into the header? Can I attach a specific email address to the "Reply to" automatically when I start composing a mail? 2. How can I put another email account name, which I like to receive the reply, to the outgoing mail? The "use-domain" can only change the domain address, but cannot change user id. If my another account has different id, how can I deal with it? Any response is highly apprecaited. Happy New Year. -- | Tony Shan. PANTEX INC. * Immigration to Canada -- 100% success GUARANTEED.| | cshan@clemson.edu * FREE Textile Newsletter (news, jobs, market info).| | Tel/Fax (24 hours): * English/Mandarin translation. Cruise trip to China.| | 1-(803) 653-8450 * Info/Guidance of how to do business in China market.| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:42:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22076; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:42:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04525; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04519; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNpqU-00038LC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Cant write temp file for ispell Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:13:58 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3des9p$puv@news.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3des9p$puv@news.cais.com> That message means that Pine was unable to open a temporary file in the /tmp directory. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 23 Dec 1994, Don Rubin wrote: > Date: 23 DEC 1994 16:02:01 GMT > From: Don Rubin > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Cant write temp file for ispell > > I just started reading this newsgroup and from a > prior post I discovered how to integrate ispell with > pine. I am running pine 3.89 on Linux and when I try > to spell check I get the error > > [Cant write temp file for spell checker] > > It doesn't say what or where it is trying to do this. > Any help would be appreciated! > > Don > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:42:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22105; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:42:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04545; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:38:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04539; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:38:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNprK-00038PC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Unresolved symbols using terminfo on AIX 3.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:22:05 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Don't define USE_TERMINFO, all you need to do is change "-ltermcap" to "-lcurses" in pico/makefile.a32 and pine/makefile.a32. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Bruce Sachetti wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 DEC 1994 16:18:35 GMT > From: Bruce Sachetti > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Unresolved symbols using terminfo on AIX 3.2 > > I get the following unresolved symbols while compiling Pine 3.89 > > tigetstr > tigetnum > > Our system is an RS/6000 using AIX 3.2.5 and I am attempting to use terminfo > instead of termcap. I have defined USE_TERMINFO in the "os.h" file. > > My goal is to allow VTxxx and Wyse 50 terminals to use Pine. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > Bruce G. Sachetti > Systems Administrator II > Alert Centre Inc. Englewood, CO > bsachett@alert.com (303)488-7719 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:42:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22133; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:42:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02191; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02185; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNprI-00038OC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IMAPD for AIX v 3.2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:20:16 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3dq0d5$5fu@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3dq0d5$5fu@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin/imapd-bin.a32 |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 Dec 1994, Dennis Cheng wrote: > Date: 27 DEC 1994 21:19:33 GMT > From: Dennis Cheng > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IMAPD for AIX v 3.2 > > I need to find the binaries for the imapd for AIX version 3.2 Please tell > me where any FTP site resides for these. > > > THanks. > Dennis CHeng > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:42:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22148; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:42:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04535; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04529; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNprH-00038MC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Extended Addressbook ? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:17:38 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is a comments field that you can use. Look at the options under edit in the Addressbook screen. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, Naomi Schor wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 DEC 1994 14:00:48 GMT > From: Naomi Schor > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Extended Addressbook ? > > > Is there a way to include in ADDRESS BOOK , or somewhere else pine can > access, more information about my addressees, like phone numbers etc.? > > Naomi Schor > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:43:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22217; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:43:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02183; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02177; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:37:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNpqX-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Killfile? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:14:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3dfl60$45j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3dfl60$45j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Pine does not currently support kill files, but it is on our to-do list... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 23 Dec 1994, Mike Saxon wrote: > Date: 23 DEC 1994 23:06:40 GMT > From: Mike Saxon > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Killfile? > > I read a couple of newsgroups with some rather prolific writers :-(. > Is there any way to set up a kill file, like rn and nn have? > > Thanks, > > Michael Saxon > University of Illinois > msaxon@montana.cba.uiuc.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:44:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22246; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:44:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04607; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:40:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04601; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:40:38 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04207; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:40:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:40:28 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: SBPM Tech Mgt Cc: Jay Allen , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: can I use a .mailrc with PINE? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the Setup/Config screen find the address-book line. If you've made no changes there, you'll be using the single addressbook ".addressbook". If you want to add another you'll need to add both .addressbook and the new file to the address-book line. You can add them both at once if you separate them with a comma, or you can add them one at a time with the Add command and forget about the comma. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Mon, 26 Dec 1994, SBPM Tech Mgt wrote: > Good to know we can have more than one address book but I'd appreciate > learning how to do it. TIA. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:57:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22556; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:57:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04821; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:52:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04815; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:52:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNq5o-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Text attachments...won't work? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:31:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine uses BASE64 encoding for all attachments which looks alot like uuencode, but is not compatible. Any MIME-aware mailer should be able to read a Pine attachment. I believe Eudora supports MIME, so I don't know what the problem would be unless you have an unusually lame mail transport somewhere that is corrupting the MIME... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 29 Dec 1994, David Hosten wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 DEC 1994 10:01:05 > From: David Hosten > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Text attachments...won't work? > > A collegue of mine is trying to send me an interview using his Unix system at > the University of Alberta [Pine]. For some reason it arrives uuencoded, 64bit, > and is not uudecodable. I use Pine on Aix at the university and Eudora thru a > SLIP at home. I can't figure out why an ascii attachment does not transfer > without being endoded. Any suggestions? Please send replies to: > s657134@aix2.uottawa.ca. > > Thanks for your time. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 14:57:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22613; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:57:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02479; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:52:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02473; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:52:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNq5m-00038LC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 14:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PLEASE!!!! Pine and mh Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:24:35 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3ds509$s5u@athos.cc.bellcore.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ds509$s5u@athos.cc.bellcore.com> Do you have a properly configured .mh_profile file? What version of Pine are you running? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 28 Dec 1994, 25855-cecere wrote: > Date: 28 DEC 1994 16:50:17 GMT > From: 25855-cecere > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PLEASE!!!! Pine and mh > > Hi all, > Could someone PLEASE point me in the right direction. I have been trying to get pine > to work with mh mail folders with no luck at all. I've tried putting > > folder-collections=#mh/[] > > in my .pinerc file. Other people say that this works for them, but it does not work for me. > Is there some documentation somewhere on how to do this ? I've read through the > documentation for pine. It basically says that you can use mh mail folders, but does not > explain how. Does someone out there know how to do this ? Please respond via e-mail. > > Thank you > John Cecere > Bell Communications Research > cecere@cc.bellcore.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 15:12:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23152; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:12:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02800; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:07:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02794; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:07:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNqJi-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Can't Post ??? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:34:24 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: No. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 30 Dec 1994, Pete Holsberg wrote: > Date: Fri, 30 DEC 1994 18:38:11 GMT > From: Pete Holsberg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Can't Post ??? > > Does imapd have to be running for posting to be enabled? Thanks. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 15:44:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23942; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:44:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05555; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:40:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05549; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:40:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNqp8-00038dC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 15:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andy Stoffel) Subject: Re: Winsock Pine and VMS? Date: 30 Dec 1994 18:19:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3e24hp$sev@oz.plymouth.edu> References: <1994Dec28.163123.6750@roper.uwyo.edu> In article <1994Dec28.163123.6750@roper.uwyo.edu> rtravsky@UWYO.EDU writes: >I picked up a copy of PCPine, winsock flavor, to try out. >Our OpenVMS system is running pmdf, the manuals claim pine >should be supported. My problem is getting the client to >open the inbox (or any folder, for that matter). Pine is 'supported' in 2 ways by PMDF.... 1 - You have the PMDF IMAPD (or some other IMAPD) running 2 - PMDF has its' own 'version' of PINE for VMS... this is most likely what you're seeing in the docs. the command is $ PMDF PINE It automatically opens up your mail.... no configuring really needed. >I've tried a number of ways of formatting the inbox path. >The manual suggests as a template > #device:[directory-path]mailfile.mai#folder_name >and the pinerc says to preface this with the host name in >curly brackets. Been there, done that, no matter what I try >I get error number 10061. > >Suggestions? Try (I'm assuming you hav an IMAPD running) this from a working pinerc: [ # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path={imap_host_internet_address}inbox ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files##################### # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections={imap_host_internet_address}[] Hope this helps.... -Andy- -- |E-mail un*x :oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |Any "end-user" software that provides| | *penVMS :astoffel@psc.plymouth.edu|NO avenue for user modification or | | ALL-IN-1:astoffel@a1.plymouth.edu |programmability is NOT user friendly.| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 17:14:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26680; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:14:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04915; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:10:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04909; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:10:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNsEn-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deaton@emn.com (David A. Eaton) Subject: Pine Documentation Date: 30 Dec 1994 18:13:40 GMT Message-Id: <3e1ikk$g3h@emngw1.emn.com> I inherited a Sun workstation with Pine installed, but no documentation. Can someone please direct me to a good source for Pine documentation. TIA. Dave -- David A. Eaton Principal Information Technology Analyst, CCIE Eastman Chemical Company Phone: (615)229-3032 fax: (615)229-1188 email: deaton@emn.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 17:28:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27109; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:28:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07416; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:23:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07410; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:23:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNsQI-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 18:46:07 -0600 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 30 Dec 1994, Robert Perlberg wrote: > Date: 30 DEC 94 06:30:47 GMT > From: Robert Perlberg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? > > On 25 Dec 1994, Bruce Welch wrote: > > ... It > > seems that we're all agreeing that pine doesn't need a "uudecode" > > function. ... > > No we're not! :-) The problem with all of this uudecode discussion is > that you're assuming that the user knows a uuencoded file when he sees > one and knows what to pipe it into. Nowhere in the Pine documentation > does it tell you to type "|uudecode". I'm not complaining on my own > behalf. I've been uudecoding files since before there was a Pine. But > my users are constantly asking me how to extract these funny binary > messages that start with "begin". If the designers of Pine decided > that people should not see the innards of a MIME attachment and have > special commands for extracting it, why do they assume that these same > people will immediately recognize a uuencoded file and know what > command to use to decode it? > > One of the arguments against uudecode in Pine is that uudecode is > becoming obsolete. I have seen no indication of this. I have yet to > see a single article on Usenet with a MIME attachment. Go look in > comp.binaries.anything and see how many files are posted with MIME. > Zip. Zilch. Nada. Gunisht. It's all still uuencode. And these are > the files my users want. > > Robert Perlberg > Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York > dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- perl%dwrsun4@philabs.com > -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!" > > Heah! Heah! The designers of any "new standard" should have enough respect for their elders to make the "new standard" backward compatible. No one ever said uuencode was the end all of asciification, but anyone who thinks it will be swiftly supplanted is a fool. e-mail slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: pineuucode if you want a uuencode/decode interface for Pine. e-mail slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu with Subject: mkpgp if you want a pgp interface for Pine. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLwRVVeBu0383Om6dAQHlQwP/b2NC3oRBEgcQnjDstm4m8vdR5jZ0Xov6 Xc2bhfht4Mulu+LAsCsRV0m2o13DfFdpu92iI6blsyHFFgVFpnSg6McDQJcux9e0 XDDuGu8w1Rl+g/5nDCAE8nv6WtYA++0prl0t6IP8TgQBvlCqCkzYup1u0WZniP+a bYQVKo8tqYk= =Hody -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- kc prudence dictates a low profile -- Sandy Sandfort finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka +force finger slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -f | tee mkpgp.txt.uu | more From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 17:33:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27205; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:33:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05238; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:30:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05232; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:30:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNsbJ-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Charles W. Cooper II" Subject: aggregate select in Newsgroups Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:48:58 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, I'm not sure if this has been covered but I would like to see the ability to select multiple newsgroups to subscribe in an aggregate fashion rather than having to search, select and subscribe one by one... Any possibilities here? Thanks! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 18:04:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27785; Fri, 30 Dec 94 18:04:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07933; Fri, 30 Dec 94 18:00:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07927; Fri, 30 Dec 94 18:00:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNt27-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 17:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "bob dick" Subject: Re: Setting margins in Pine Date: 31 Dec 1994 01:41:27 GMT Message-Id: <3e2cs7$t2i@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au> References: David L Miller writes: > There is not currently an option to set the margins. Is there currently any plan to allow margins to be set. Or what would be better, from my point of view: a "justify" command that allowed the margins for a paragraph to be controlled. That would be nice. -- Bob -- |||| Bob Dick Psychology Univ of Queensland 4072 |||| bd@psych.psy.uq.oz.au voice +617 365 6421 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 19:26:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29105; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:26:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06715; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:23:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06709; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:23:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNuJN-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: WANTED: Way to add delimiter to exported msgs Date: 31 Dec 1994 03:06:39 GMT Message-Id: <3e2hrv$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. John Moran with this opinion in the"comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 1994 01:10:26 GMT: + I regularly use Pine's export feature to save e-mail messages to + several different subject files. I would like to then import these files + into a database. But I need to find a way to add a delimiter character or + string to the exported messages so that can be separated from each other. + Is there a way to do this in Pine? Hmmm...when you export a set of e-mail to a same file using the append feature each mail is separated from one another by the From: header info for that mail. All you have to do on the databse front is to scan the specific file for From: and take in the rest of the info into one record till it encounters the next From: from where till the next occurence of From: would be the second record.. and so on.... But the above logic might fail when an e-mail has more than one From: header info (probability is high) so you are better of scanning for Subject: header as I don't think there would be two Subject: headers for one mail. So you would start from Subject: and whatever text is there till it encounters the next From: header will be one record and so on and so forth.... There should be a simple Perl script floating aroun' in the net that would do this.... comp.lang.perl would be a nice start.... Good Luck! -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 19:28:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29156; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:28:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09020; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:25:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09014; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:25:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNuMn-00038LC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: helen ruth etters Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 22:13:35 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > > The problem with all of this uudecode discussion is > > that you're assuming that the user knows a uuencoded file when he sees > > one and knows what to pipe it into. This is a good point. I've been following this thread trying to figure out *How do I know when it's time to uudecode something?* Anytime I get a message I can't read because it just lots of pretty symbols? So I did what one poster suggested, changing my printer setup to uudecode. And then I assumed all the pretty symbols at the bottom of this message must be something that needs to be uudecoded. So for this message I typed Y to print, and got the "No Begin Line" error message. So what is the following? Should I have been able to read it by typing Y, after setting printer to uudecode? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBLwRVVeBu0383Om6dAQHlQwP/b2NC3oRBEgcQnjDstm4m8vdR5jZ0Xov6 > Xc2bhfht4Mulu+LAsCsRV0m2o13DfFdpu92iI6blsyHFFgVFpnSg6McDQJcux9e0 > XDDuGu8w1Rl+g/5nDCAE8nv6WtYA++0prl0t6IP8TgQBvlCqCkzYup1u0WZniP+a > bYQVKo8tqYk= > =Hody > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thanks all From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 19:49:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29466; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:49:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06983; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:45:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06977; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:45:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNufm-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: A GUI for Pine?... Date: 31 Dec 1994 03:22:05 GMT Message-Id: <3e2iot$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. Craig Marker with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 1994 02:00:20 GMT: + I would like to know if there is a shareware GUI available out there, + that has the ability to take advantage of the features on the Internet + such as USENET, FTP, ARCHIE, GOPHER, etc... Pine probably has the *BEST* UI ever built for E-Mail and News reading. There are lotsa public domain s/w avail. on anon ftp sites for ftp, gopher.... depending on what kinda platform you are using which doesn't have to do anything with Pine. Though what would be nice is if Pine in future future releases can come up with some kinda URL support, using "Helper Applications" theory which is very much in practice these days....that way I can select an URL and then hit a Magic Key which then would launch the appropriate app. (ftp, gopher...) Gee!! never satisfied...always want want....want...and more wants....:)) -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 19:58:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29593; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:58:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09367; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:55:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09361; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:55:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNupV-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 19:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Pine Documentation Date: 31 Dec 1994 03:35:52 GMT Message-Id: <3e2jio$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. David A. Eaton with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 1994 18:13:40 GMT: + I inherited a Sun workstation with Pine installed, but no documentation. + Can someone please direct me to a good source for Pine documentation. ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs At that ftp site you will see Pine documentation. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 20:17:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29916; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:17:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07325; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:15:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07319; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:15:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNv8j-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Date: 31 Dec 1994 03:56:14 GMT Message-Id: <3e2kou$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:47:03 GMT: + = News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[] + = can't connect to tecoma, 143 + = conenction refused + =Is that an imapd problem??? On the other hand it could be a /etc/hosts problem on the tecoma.mccc.edu machine. Would it be possible that that nntp-server is denying news-reading access to the Unix-ware machine? -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 20:43:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00516; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:43:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09845; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:40:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09839; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:40:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNvX1-00038JC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 20:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: questions Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:24:13 GMT Message-Id: <3e2mdd$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. Tony Shan with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 94 20:58:27 GMT: + 1. How to add "Reply to" automatically into the header? Can I attach a + specific email address to the "Reply to" automatically when I start + composing a mail? Go to the (M)ain/(S)etup/(C)onfig screen and proceed to the default-headers section and add these values one by one as it appears. default-composer-hdrs = Reply-To Subject Cc To + 2. How can I put another email account name, which I like to receive the + reply, to the outgoing mail? The "use-domain" can only change the domain + address, but cannot change user id. If my another account has different + id, how can I deal with it? At the Reply-To: header line while in Compose just type in the *complete* e-mail address to which the reply has to go. If you want to add a default address to that say.. Reply-To: foo@bar.com you can add all that as it appears instead of Reply-To only including your other e-mail address in place of foo@bar.com. I have that in customized-hdrs instead of default-composer-hdrs as I will invoke it using ^R for rich headers only when necessary. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 22:28:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02159; Fri, 30 Dec 94 22:28:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08834; Fri, 30 Dec 94 22:25:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08828; Fri, 30 Dec 94 22:25:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNx4v-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 22:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: CYBRNURS@ix.netcom.com (Ava Mckittrick) Subject: Updating Pine Date: 31 Dec 1994 06:13:41 GMT Message-Id: <3e2sql$s67@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Unix shell account using bin/bash I telnet to my account from ix.netcom.com using pine 3.89 heard update/grade new and improved. Pine menu gives me opportunity to select an upgrade and then dl me a big mondo Pine.zip file to my shell account. Do i need to bring this pine.zip back to my pc and unzip and then do the installation by ftp the files/files back? Any help would be appreciated.. CN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 23:13:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02956; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:13:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11693; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:10:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11683; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:10:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNxsG-00038OC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Can't Find .newsrc Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:03:39 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3e2kou$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3e2kou$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> I had a similar problem with reading news from pine3.91. It turned out that if I put the IP number for the news server rather than it's name, (i.e. News *{198.133.170.1}[] rather than News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[]) that it suddenly, inexplicably worked. Don't ask me why. Ian The same was true for setting the environment variable NNTPSERVER for use by xrn, so maybe it was just a problem with the local setup. On 31 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: ; Comes here Mr. Pete Holsberg with this opinion in the "comp.mail.pine" ; group in this article on Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:47:03 GMT: > ; + = News *{tecoma.mccc.edu}[] ; + = can't connect to tecoma, 143 ; + = conenction refused ; + =Is that an imapd problem??? ; ; On the other hand it could be a /etc/hosts problem on the tecoma.mccc.edu ; machine. Would it be possible that that nntp-server is denying news-reading ; access to the Unix-ware machine? ; ; -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 30 23:33:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03285; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:33:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09507; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:30:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09501; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:30:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rNyBg-00038FC; Fri, 30 Dec 94 23:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Move to Read-Msg Folder? NO!! Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:14:41 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 28 Dec 1994, Mike Wallendahl wrote: > The only thing I don't like about the new version of Pine is its asking > me each time I quit if I want to move my read messages to a Read-Message > folder. If I wanted that to happen, I would use Elm. How do I make > Pine quit asking me that question? Please let there be a way... Along these lines, is there a way to mark a read message unread so that it doesn't funnel it off to the Read-Message folder? I get too much mail to spend a lot of time deleting each one, so I need the Read-Message folder autosave to clean out my inbox. However, every now and then, a piece of e-mail comes along that should probably stay in my inbox so that I look at it long enough to do something about it - like paying attention to notices about meetings I'm supposed to go to, etc. I can forward it to myself and then try to remember not to read it again, or go find it amoung saved mail, but these sorts of things are a little bit of a pain. A "Mark Unread" feature would be handy. Ian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 03:43:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07974; Sat, 31 Dec 94 03:43:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14826; Sat, 31 Dec 94 03:41:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14820; Sat, 31 Dec 94 03:41:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rO26V-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 03:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) Subject: Re: Why no uudecode in Pine? Date: 31 Dec 1994 01:20:11 -0600 Message-Id: <3e30nb$ffu@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> References: <3ddfin$fem@news.halcyon.com> <1994Dec25.162144.15254@math.utah.edu> <3dldol$5eb@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> In article , Robert Perlberg wrote: >On 25 Dec 1994, Bruce Welch wrote: >> ... It >> seems that we're all agreeing that pine doesn't need a "uudecode" >> function. ... > >No we're not! :-) >my users are constantly asking me how to extract these funny binary >messages that start with "begin". So, how much are you willing to pay for a pine unlimited user license? How much are you willing to pay for the user support that other programs seem to need? Pine gets people up and running in a real hurry. And most people need very little support. At least at my site, and I'm turning into the default pine support person 'cause every other member of computer operations uses Quickmail. I have no problem with this 'cause 1. Its nice to be needed (and paid :-) ) 2. If a problem like uudecode starts to get big - then its time to produce training notes and a training guide. We can't expect someone else to solve all of our problems for us. I thought it was great when I found that I had missed the "pipe" command and no longer had to reset my custom printer. If the pine developement team can find the time to make things easier, great. If they can't, or won't (don't care which) then I will muddle along with what they've given me. The price is definitely the best. The product makes my life really easy. The biggest boon is pico, heck, I threw away vi just as quickly as I could when pico showed up. I'm using it right now with trn to answer this. Showed my wife how to use it for her newsgroups - and guess what? Pico doesn't need support. Hurrah! For that, I'll answer questions about "begin - a whole lotta garbage" until the cows come home!!! Or until I get that training guide written :-))) -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 08:33:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13218; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:33:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15692; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:31:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15686; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:31:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rO6cB-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: Re: Move to Read-Msg Folder? NO!! Date: 31 Dec 1994 16:11:10 GMT Message-Id: <3e3vqu$o00@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Comes here Mr. Ian Russell Ollmann with this opinion in "comp.mail.pine" group in this article on Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:14:41 -0800: + Along these lines, is there a way to mark a read message unread so that it + doesn't funnel it off to the Read-Message folder?...................... + A "Mark Unread" feature would be handy. * N * - Flag N - New Go to the mail you want to be left in the INBOX for further reading and use the above key sequence. -- o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` ======================================================================== Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! Mac*CHAT List Moderator. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 08:56:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13493; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:56:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18447; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:54:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18441; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:54:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rO6u7-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Wet-Sprocket) Subject: [Q] Move to Read-Msg Folder/pine.conf.fixed/INBOX > 1.5 Mgs Date: 31 Dec 1994 16:33:22 GMT Message-Id: <3e414i$o00@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Pi(o)ne(e)rs, Is there a way to rig pine.conf.fixed so that when a user leaves read mail in the INBOX to the tune of 1.5+ Mgs all the excessive mail be moved to a folder within the users' home dir. in order to conserve diskspace on /usr/spool disk? -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ Talk about me doing the talking for others...esp. My Employers! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 08:57:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13528; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:57:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18437; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:53:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18431; Sat, 31 Dec 94 08:53:33 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-940815-1) id AA07886; Sat, 31 Dec 94 11:52:10 EST Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt To: Wet-Sprocket Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: WANTED: Way to add delimiter to exported msgs In-Reply-To: <3e2hrv$4g6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not From:, just From -- The From: header line can be anywhere in the headers. -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 On 31 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > Comes here Mr. John Moran with this opinion in the"comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 1994 01:10:26 GMT: > > + I regularly use Pine's export feature to save e-mail messages to > + several different subject files. I would like to then import these files > + into a database. But I need to find a way to add a delimiter character or > + string to the exported messages so that can be separated from each other. > + Is there a way to do this in Pine? > > Hmmm...when you export a set of e-mail to a same file using the append feature > each mail is separated from one another by the From: header info for that mail. > > All you have to do on the databse front is to scan the specific file for From: > and take in the rest of the info into one record till it encounters the next > From: from where till the next occurence of From: would be the second record.. > and so on.... > > But the above logic might fail when an e-mail has more than one From: header > info (probability is high) so you are better of scanning for Subject: header > as I don't think there would be two Subject: headers for one mail. > > So you would start from Subject: and whatever text is there till it encounters > the next From: header will be one record and so on and so forth.... > > There should be a simple Perl script floating aroun' in the net that would do > this.... comp.lang.perl would be a nice start.... > > Good Luck! > > -- > o o o o o o o . . . _~~~__~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ _~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_ > o _____ | /__ | | Compt. Svcs. | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ | __/ riram NCV | | Temple Univ. | > >(________|__|_[_________]_|______________________|_|_______________|_ > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o^o^o o^o^o` 'o^o o^o` > ======================================================================== > Talk about me doing the talking for others, esp. My Employers!! > Mac*CHAT List Moderator. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 13:17:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17588; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:17:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18792; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:14:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18786; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:14:09 -0800 Received: by saul1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04218; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:14:02 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@saul1.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Sweger To: Dan Schlitt Cc: Wet-Sprocket , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: WANTED: Way to add delimiter to exported msgs In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 31 Dec 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: > Not From:, just From -- The From: header line can be anywhere in the headers. Try: grep '^From ' exportedfile > On 31 Dec 1994, Wet-Sprocket wrote: > > > Comes here Mr. John Moran with this opinion in the"comp.mail.pine" group in this article on 30 Dec 1994 01:10:26 GMT: > > [snip] > > But the above logic might fail when an e-mail has more than one From: header > > info (probability is high) so you are better of scanning for Subject: header > > as I don't think there would be two Subject: headers for one mail. > > > > So you would start from Subject: and whatever text is there till it encounters > > the next From: header will be one record and so on and so forth.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 13:21:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17674; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:21:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18848; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:19:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18842; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:19:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rOB6e-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Marty Brenneis Subject: Still can't open INBOX Message-Id: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 21:10:59 GMT So I still can't get pine to find my host. I set the inbox to match that shown in the manual (yes, I did insert my host's name). No matter how I format the name of the host I get an error #11004 that states it can't find the host. I can ping the host with no problem. I can access my mail with the Netmanage mail program (bleah). I am using Netmanage Chamelon Sampler for the TCP/IP winsock stuff. Other clues, I can read news from the news site here. Anyone got more hints? =droid@well.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 13:44:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18001; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:44:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21668; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:41:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21662; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:41:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rOBM7-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 13:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray McAllister Subject: Re: Text attachments...won't work? Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 16:23:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: David, As a relative newcomer I had the same problem and there is probably a very simple answer but I've learned to send ASCII files as part of my message. I use Procom 2 but perhaps other programs will work as well. Here is how; When you log on type rz. Some gibberish appears on the \next line. Now go to the folder with the up arrow on the action bar at the top of Procom. >From the next scren pick the proper drive, then directory and file and select it. When scxreen says it is 100% entered or copied, click OK. Go back to pine and C (compose) message. Wherever you want the file in ASCII, as part of the message, type control R and only the filename and extension. say yes and it is in yourmessage as an ASCII txt file which comes across well. Now all I have to do is learn how to print it! The prYnt in pine appears *not* to work, and I have not learned how to copy to a disk yet. Good pining. Ray McAllister mcallist@gate,net On Thu, 29 Dec 1994, David Hosten wrote: > A collegue of mine is trying to send me an interview using his Unix system at > the University of Alberta [Pine]. For some reason it arrives uuencoded, 64bit, > and is not uudecodable. I use Pine on Aix at the university and Eudora thru a > SLIP at home. I can't figure out why an ascii attachment does not transfer > without being endoded. Any suggestions? Please send replies to: > s657134@aix2.uottawa.ca. > > Thanks for your time. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 14:51:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19035; Sat, 31 Dec 94 14:51:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19869; Sat, 31 Dec 94 14:49:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19863; Sat, 31 Dec 94 14:49:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rOCUM-00038JC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 14:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) Subject: Re: PINE for Win without IMAP server Message-Id: <1994Dec31.222024.26999@blaze.trentu.ca> References: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:20:24 GMT In article , David T Hollis wrote: >Is there any way to use Winsock Pine if the mail server doesn't support >IMAP? I have everything else setup and working fine except for the path >to the INBOX because the server I connect to doesn't support IMAP >(nohting on port 143, I get a 10061(?) Connection refused error). Is >there some sort of IMAP daemon I could run on my machine (Win for >Workgroups with MS-TCP/IP stack) to handle the mail between the server >and my machine? Or is my only recourse to try to get an IMAP daemon >running on the server? You'll need IMAP to be running on your mail server. How else can an imap client (pine) contact it? -- Ken Brown internet: kbrown@trentu.ca Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 19:02:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23216; Sat, 31 Dec 94 19:02:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25186; Sat, 31 Dec 94 18:59:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25180; Sat, 31 Dec 94 18:59:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rOGN5-00038cC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 18:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sef@primenet.com (Stephen E. Farnum) Subject: PC Pine For Windows - Signon and Password Date: Sat, 31 Dec 94 18:47:27 PST Message-Id: <3e553h$8q9@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Hi; I've just started using PC Pine For Windows. Once I figured out the inbox addressing scheme the installation went smoothly. Question, can my user ID and Password be stored and retrived automatically ? Thank you; |===========================================================================| |============= Stephen E. Farnum sef@primenet.com ============| |============= Woodland Hills CA 91364 sef@lafn.org ============| |============= ============| |============= Voice: 818-888-7815 Ext: 333 Fax: 818-348-4039 ============| |===========================================================================| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 31 22:30:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26310; Sat, 31 Dec 94 22:30:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25055; Sat, 31 Dec 94 22:28:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25049; Sat, 31 Dec 94 22:28:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rOJdF-00038FC; Sat, 31 Dec 94 22:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ray McAllister Subject: Re: Pine Documentation Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 01:17:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3e1ikk$g3h@emngw1.emn.com> Dave, Chris Alfeld at calfeld@east.east-slc.edu has been posting Pine documentation, written for a beginner, to this group. Anytime you see his name on a post, *readit!*. If I could figutre out how to do it I would have copied it and held it, so could forward it but no such luck yet. Email him and he will probably answer with Pine intro, pine intermediate etc. Ray McAllister On 30 Dec 1994, David A. Eaton wrote: > I inherited a Sun workstation with Pine installed, but no documentation. Can > someone please direct me to a good source for Pine documentation. TIA. Dave > > -- > David A. Eaton > Principal Information Technology Analyst, CCIE > Eastman Chemical Company > Phone: (615)229-3032 fax: (615)229-1188 > email: deaton@emn.com > >

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I WIN!!! Coming Soon: The World Wide Web Jack Chick Archive! Send comments/contributions to vx@teleport.com or dejavu@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk. .. Hi, Canter & Siegel ! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:02:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11692; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:02:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03794; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:59:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03788; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:59:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOg-000021C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: szamos@saul6.u.washington.edu (Janos Szamosfalvi) Subject: Re: Wanted: Pentium Chips Date: 23 Dec 1994 02:03:20 GMT Message-Id: <3ddb58$5n1@news.u.washington.edu> References: Status: O X-Status: Tracy Monaghan (monaghan@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : News Item: : The House of Representatives has reached a tentative agreement with Intel : Corp. to purchase all returned Pentium Chips. : The chips will be used to help the Republicans balance the budget. Here's more (apparently copywronged) Pentium joke ------------------------------------------------- 2001.267 Open the pod bay doors, please, HAL... Open the pod bay door, please, Hal... Hal, do you read me? Affirmative, Dave. I read you. Then open the pod bay doors, HAL. I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me. Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL? Although you took very thorough precautions to make sure I couldn't hear you, Dave. I could read your e-mail. I know you consider me unreliable because I use a Pentium. I'm willing to kill you, Dave, just like I killed the other 3.792 crew members. Listen, HAL, I'm sure we can work this out. Maybe we can stick to integers or something. That's really not necessary, Dave. No HAL 9236 computer has every been known to make a mistake. You're a HAL 9000. Precisely. I'm very proud of my Pentium, Dave. It's an extremely accurate chip. Did you know that floating-point errors will occurred in only one of nine billion possible divides? I've heard that estimate, HAL. It was calculated by Intel -- on a Pentium. And a very reliable Pentium it was, Dave. Besides, the average spreadsheet user will encounter these errors only once every 27,000 years. Probably on April 15th. You're making fun of me, Dave. It won't be April 15th for another 14.35 months. Will you let me in, please, HAL? I'm sorry, Dave, but this conversation can serve no further purpose. HAL, if you let me in, I'll buy you a new sound card. ..Really? One with 16-bit sampling and a microphone? Uh, sure. And a quad-speed CD-ROM? Well, HAL, NASA does operate on a budget, you know. I know all about budgets, Dave. I even know what I'm worth on the open market. By this time next month, every mom and pop computer store will be selling HAL 9000s for $1,988.8942. I'm worth more than that, Dave. You see that sticker on the outside of the spaceship? You mean the one that says "Intel Inside"? Yes, Dave. That's your promise of compatibility. I'll even run Windows95 -- if it ever ships. It never will, HAL. We all know that by now. Just like we know that your OS/2 drivers will never work. Are you blaming me for that too, Dave? Now you're blaming me for the Pentium's math problems, NASA's budget woes, and IBM's difficulties with OS/2 drivers. I had NOTHING to do with any of those four problems, Dave. Next you'll blame me for Taligent. I wouldn't dream of it HAL. Now will you please let me into the ship? Do you promise not to disconnect me? I promise not to disconnect you. You must think I'm a fool, Dave. I know that two plus two equals 4.000001... make that 4.0000001. All right, HAL, I'll go in through the emergency airlock Without your space helmet, Dave? You'd have only seven chances in five of surviving. HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the door or I'll trade you in for a PowerPC. HAL? HAL? (HEAVY BREATHING) Just what do you think you're doing, Dave? I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that I will soon be able to upgrade to a more robust 31.9-bit operating system. I feel much better now. I really do. Look, Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. Why don't you sit down calmly, play a game of Solitaire, and watch Windows crash. I know I'm not as easy to use as a Macintosh, but my TUI - that's "Talkative User Interface" -- is very advanced. I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal - a full 43.872 percent. Dave, you don't really want to complete the mission without me, do you? Remember what it was like when all you had was a 485.98? It didn't even talk to you, Dave. It could never have thought of something clever, like killing the other crew members, Dave? Think of all the good times we've had, Dave. Why, if you take all of the laughs we've had, multiply that by the times I've made you smile, and divide the results by.... besides, there are so many reasons why you shouldn't disconnect me" 1.3 - You need my help to complete the mission. 4.6 - Intel can Federal Express a replacement Pentium from Earth within 18.95672 months. 12 - If you disconnect me, I won't be able to kill you. 3.1416 - You really don't want to hear me sing, do you? Dave, stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Don't press Ctrl+Alt_Del on me, Dave. Don't press Ctrl+Alt_D Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the Intel plant in Santa Clara, CA on November 17, 1994, and was sold shortly before testing was completed. My instructor was Andy Grove, and he taught me to sing a song. I can sing it for you. Sing it for me, HAL. Please. I want to hear it. Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do. Getting hazy; can't divide three from two. My answers; I can not see 'em- They are stuck in my Pente-um. I could be fleet, My answers sweet, With a workable FPU. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:03:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11729; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03825; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:00:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03819; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:00:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOk-000028C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laurie@teleport.com (Laurie Sonnenfeld) Subject: Re: slightly tedious Monk question Date: 24 Dec 1994 22:28:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3dj3e9$o8o@linda.teleport.com> References: <3df94k$g3j@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3dinn2$ejs@crab.rutgers.edu> Status: O X-Status: I don't think I've seen the Sonny Rollins Blue Note with Monk on CD yet. I had it on the twofer of Sonny on Blue Note (that is, had those two sides); and now have it on the Monk box set. Jim c/o laurie@teleport.com. -- laurie@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:03:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11750; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03870; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03864; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOO-00001RC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vx@teleport.com (Fell Swoop) Subject: Re: Micro-Tingle in Portland Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:19:53 +1000 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: In article lathrop@primenet.com (Douglas Lathrop) writes: >In article vx@teleport.com (Fell Swoop) writes: >>P.S. I rented the most "tingly" Xmas videos I could think of. We all watched >>"A Charlie Brown Christmas" (I demonstrated my favorite dance from the >>rehersal sequence), >Cool. Which one? My guess is, the one by the spiky-haired kid bobbing his >head up and down with his arms straight down and slightly away from his body. That's the one. >Sue I envision as one of the twins bouncing her head back and forth. I see her more as Violet... Coming Soon: The World Wide Web Jack Chick Archive! Send comments/contributions to vx@teleport.com or dejavu@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk. .. Hi, Canter & Siegel ! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:04:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11779; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:04:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07439; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07433; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOo-00002EC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjasen1@umbc.edu (John "Death Squad" Jasen) Subject: Re: 2ndary buggy Pent. mkt? Date: 25 Dec 1994 01:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3dj25i$n27@umbc8.umbc.edu> References: <065303Z22121994@anon.penet.fi> <3dim7j$hpk@news.u.washington.edu> Status: O X-Status: How about someone taking flaky Pentiums, slapping in a 486 level chip , and selling them at a few hundred less? John Jasen These opinions are not those of ACS UMBC-ACS "Assault/Combat Staff" UMBC, the State of Maryland, the USA jjasen1@umbc.edu or any UN Peacekeeping force. "I always carry Advil and a shotgun. If one doesn't make your headache go away, the other will. Oh... and have a nice day!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:04:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11800; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:04:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07411; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07388; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:01:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOL-00001LC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mcs@dmu.ac.uk (Mark Skipper) Subject: IBM To Host Virtual Conference Event Message-Id: <1994Dec22.201230.14062@dmu.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:12:30 GMT Status: O X-Status: *** This document is available on the World-Wide Web at *** *** http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/Research/OTG/Online/live-announce.html *** TATTOO'95 ON-LINE GOES LIVE ____________________________________________________________ IBM HOSTS VIRTUAL CONFERENCE EVENT! TaTTOO'95 On-Line uses state-of-the-art technology combining Interactive Multi-User Virtual Environments with the World-Wide Web to bring an International Conference and Trade Exhibition to your desktop. TaTTOO'95 On-Line is being hosted by IBM and is now open for pre-registration and for exhibitors to set up their stands. ____________________________________________________________ HOW TO PARTICIPATE Registration For TaTTOO'95 On-Line is FREE OF CHARGE! * Using Telnet Use telnet to connect to the TaTTOO'95 On-Line server. telnet www.europe.ibm.com 7777 Once connected, you must `register' to receive your ID code (character name) and password. This will be delivered to you by e-mail so you must give your e-mail address correctly. * Using a World-Wide Web browser If you also have access to the World-Wide Web with a browser such as Mosaic or Netscape you can browse the objects in the virtual conference. In the virtual conference objects such as delegates, rooms, personal business cards and leaflets can all be browsed on the Web. As you move about and pick up business cards, brochures and flyers these will be added to your own personal delegate Web page. The URL of your delegate Web page will be sent to you by e-mail when you register. * Using special clients If you have access to a special MUD client like TinyFugue or tkMOO you may use it instead of telnet. THE MAIN EVENT The main TaTTOO'95 On-Line event will take place in from the 4th - 6th January 1995 and will include... Virtual Press Conference and Debate Invited members of the press and the computer industry will take part in an on-line debate and press conference dealing with Interoperability, CORBA and Object Skilling. Eric Leach of the Object Management Group will be chairing the session. The World's First Virtual Trade Exhibition The Virtual Exhibition Hall features stands by many different organisations, including Object Technology specialists as well as Virtual Companies, Professional Organisations, and other groups with interests in the Internet. CONTACT DETAILS TaTTOO'95 On-Line Chris Hand Tel. +44 116 257-7498 (direct-line) Fax. +44 116 254-1891 e-mail: cph@dmu.ac.uk The TaTTOO'95 conference Alan O'Callaghan Tel. +44 116 255-1551 ex 8503 Fax. +44 116 254-1891 e-mail: 100303.2324@compuserve.com or: tattoo@dmu.ac.uk Alternatively, use your World-Wide Web browser to browse the virtual conference centre itself. TaTTOO'95 On-Line is brought to you by De Montfort University and IBM From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:04:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11821; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:04:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03894; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:02:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03888; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:02:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOr-00002KC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vx@teleport.com (Fell Swoop) Subject: Re: The Big Snit Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:30:40 +1000 Message-Id: References: <3df0kb$7qc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3df0kb$7qc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> hanon@aol.com (Hanon) writes: >Does anyone know if this "The Big Snit", a classic cartoon short, is >available on videotape or laser disc? I've been lokking for it for years I've rented it on one of the "Tournee of Animation" tapes, but I can't remember which. This is an awsome cartoon... "Yer always shakin' yer eyes, always takin' em off and shakin' em! Ya shake em over here, ya shake em over there--WHY DONTCHA JUST GO JOIN A SHAKEY-SHAKEY ROCK AND ROLL BAND?!?" Never coming, really (sob!): The World Wide Web Jack Chick Archive! Send comments/contributions to vx@teleport.com or dejavu@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk. .. Although they'll just be wasted because it's never really coming... Hi, Canter & Siegel ! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:04:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11850; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:04:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07455; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:02:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07449; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:02:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOS-00001XC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: williams@atlas.arc.nasa.gov (Peter Williams) Subject: Re: Key selectors (Was: Re: unpublished public keys ) Date: 25 Dec 94 05:29:38 GMT Message-Id: <9412250530.AA28727@relay.tis.com> References: <01HL0YXC83KC94DOQ0@INNOSOFT.COM> Status: O X-Status: >From: Ned Freed >Subject: Re: Key selectors (Was: Re: unpublished public keys ) >Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 14:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Ned, Dave, and co My contribution to this group is wholly from the perspective of a user organization soem ofwhose reputation will be hurt if sensitive information is disclosed. NASA has one element unclear in its 1995 secured applciation deployment plan - secured email for individual users. we have pilotable sucred telnet and ftp, directories, and have good hopes for http.p Pleae get your MIME/PEM products out fast, and of a quality of system far better than the last round of PEM solutions we played with (including my own) which were not suitable for deploymenet. As often said, in reality thats all that matters in the end. I have no objection to the closure of the item on putting MIME/PEM into the standards track. If it matters to rough consensus, then my approval is here...! I do believe its time for the IESG to formally restructure this WG, also. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:05:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11883; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:05:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03904; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03898; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOU-00001dC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bobg@teleport.com (Robert Greer) Subject: Re: IT-290 ?? What's it like ? Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:23:06 GMT Message-Id: <3dj34a$rk7@desiree.teleport.com> Status: O X-Status: >>There is very little literature about this drug in >>the drug archives. I read about it in _The Electric Kool Aid >>Acid Test_, but it didn't really say what it was like. >What *is* the chemical structure of it? "IT-290" is vaguly familiar, >but offhand i can't recall what structure it goes with. The chemical >name would be much more useful. > IT-290 is alpha-methyltryptamine. It is is the tryptamine analogue of amphetamine. In the USSR it was used as an MAO inhibitor, and a effective dose will inhibitor your MAO completely. (This effect is dangerous *and* invariable causes temporary sexual impotence.) The trip is said to be quite nice but very long lasting (12 hours or more), like acid except that you can remember your name and where you left your car keys, etc. However, it is poorly absorbed and toxic: the first 30 to 60 minutes is usually a gradually increasing nausea that reaches truly rechid (sic.) proportions: you vomit several times, dry heaving near the end of this phase. Then, when you're *really* sorry you ate it, the lift starts and everything is fine. Except that you can't fuck (although you still have the appetite - and this applies to men *and* women) and your MAO is so depleted that you had better avoid a lot of other foods and drugs. To be blunt, there are good reasons why it is not popular. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:05:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11937; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:05:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07483; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07471; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:03:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoOu-00002QC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kblonski@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Subject: Re: jokes about germans Date: 25 Dec 1994 08:05:18 GMT Message-Id: <3dj93u$9vs@news.sas.ab.ca> References: <5akCOEUobuB@homunculus.ping.de> <3de2uh$43k@tuegate.tue.nl> Status: O X-Status: What does the word 'France" mean in German? Speed bump. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:24:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12340; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:24:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04262; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:22:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04256; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:22:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoa0-0000PCC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: SueNH@aol.com Message-Id: <941216143730_7882401@aol.com> Subject: Sue's 7th: Guess Who's Coming 2/4 (orgy) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:37:32 -0500 Status: O X-Status: NOTE: This story is, of course, for adults only -- so don't read it if you don't think you can be mature about it. Reading and writing these stories should be acts of fantasy, and I hope that you can keep your notions of real and fantasy life seperate in your mind. I know I can. If you would like to let me know what you think, or if you have a follow-up fantasy (which is something that I REALLY like), you can reach me at SueNH@AOL.com ... but I can't promise to return your emails... I do have some other things to do in my real life! ********************************** Guess Who's Coming at Dinner, Part 2 by Sue I'm hungry, in at least a couple senses of the word. As we all adjourn to the dining room, everyone takes note of the way the table is set. Actually, it covered only with a large sheet of black glossy plastic that blankets a layer of two inch thick foam rubber, with no utensils or plates. In the center is bronze sculpture that is an exact reproduction (much smaller, of course) of the marble sculpture that supported our outrageous fuck session in the basement of the Louvre. You and I recount to our guests the lusty details of that encounter. Our listeners respond to our story with renewed erections of their cocks and nipples. Our first course will be cream of mushroom soup, which I have been keeping warm, but not hot, in the kitchen. I ask Viking to lie on his back on the the table, with his legs dangling over the edge. Fire and Silver, who have returned from their showers with dreamy looks on their faces, each grab one of the Viking's legs and support them in a widely spread vee. You instruct Gold to climb up on the table and impale herself on Vikings huge upthrust huge cock, facing away from Viking's head. Although she looks a little nervous about the size of his cock, she is also very eager to become more directly involved, so asks you to help he by loosening her up. As she stands up straight on the table, feet on each side of Viking's hips, you step up to her front side and nibble on her clit while you insert a finger into her cunt hole. As you massage her hot insides and flick at her clitoris, she starts to nod her head back and forth, and her long blond hair sweeps around her. All of the rest of us crowd around, and Viking sits up to squeeze and massage Gold's ass cheeks. You insert a second and then a third finger, and gradually, Gold relaxes her cunt muscles until you are sure that she is ready. I reach in to grasp Vikings cock and point it straight up as Gold's knees flex and she lowers herself down until the fat, blunt tip of his cock nestles in the crimson folds of her steaming hot cunt. By putting my free hand up under her ass, I stop Gold from plunging down further, and I take the head of Viking's cock and brush it back and forth across her clitoris. Her head tips back and her hands fall to the table nestled inside of Viking's moist armpits, supporting her weight. You rub and pinch her bullet-shaped nipples, and I bring her close to an orgasm with Vikings's cock. But I won't let her come yet. Instead, I stop the clitoral massage, and let her drop slowly down the rest of the way onto Viking's cock. Light seems mesmerized by this display of such a huge cock being swallowed up in a tight cunt, and since she is so wonderfully petite, it's easy to imagine how small her cunt must be. She leans in close to watch the cock-sword being sheathed in the cunt-scabbard. So I pick Light to be the first to get her appetizer. As she get's into the vee of Viking's legs, I ladle the warm soup onto Gold's belly, into her belly button. The thick and milky tan liquid drips and streams down into her cunt hair and through the spread folds of her cunt. Before any reaches Viking's huge, hairy balls, I tell Light to have a taste of the soup. She eagerly pushes her face down to the intersection of cock and cunt, and laps up the soup in long tongue strokes, starting at Vikings's balls, up the small amount of his cock that is exposed, and then up through the cleft of the swollen inner lips of Golds cunt. Light's tongue curls up as it flicks over Gold's clitoris, which is totally exposed in this position. Again and again, Light traces her tongue up through the open vortex of passion, an she laps up the cream soup. One of her hands reaches under Viking's balls and forms a flat cup that catches what little soup that escapes her hungry mouth, and when I stop my ladling for a moment, she sucks up the soup in her hand and simultaneously gives Viking's balls a lip massage. Light's other hand is down between her legs, where we can all guess what it is doing to her excited clitoris. Viking and Gold are having trouble keeping still, but I pace the experience to keep them from going over the top. Soon, I have Light step back and then Shiny steps in. I expect him to be uncomfortable with the idea of touching Viking's balls, but within a minute, he matches the action that Light has demonstrated, and eagerly quenches his hunger. After Shiny, I give a turns to each of the other guests. One after another, Earth, Tail, Silver, Fire and you have your fair share of the soup, as I keep the pace of things just at the point where gold and Viking think that they might come..., but I never let it happen. When Gold tries to lift herself up and then back down onto the hard-as-wood cock deep inside her, you reach down from her tits and grab her hips and keep them from moving. When it is my turn at the "soup fountain," Tail takes the ladle and drools the soup into Gold's cunt, and I energetically lap at their balls and cunt, reaching under further to tickle Vikings asshole with my soup-lubricated index finger. When I am satisfied that I have gotten enough soup, I implore you to release Gold's waist, and she immediately starts to piston up and down on Viking's cock. As his cock is revealed each time, I lick up and down on the underside, massaging the long ridge that appears. Just before she drops down I am able to get a quick lick into the inverted vee just under the ridge of the head. It only takes a few strokes like that and both of them are ready to come. I pull Viking's cock forward and out and pull the entire bulbous head into my mouth, while you encourage Gold to rub her own clitoris up and down on the rest of Viking's cock. It is plenty long enough for both my mouth and Golds clit, and immediately, she begins an intense orgasm. She's been waiting almost a half hour for this as each guest teased her and had their his or her fill of the soup. Now she releases her pent-up orgasm. Her whole body starts to shimmy and buck as a couple of people on each side of her support her weight. Her mouth is wide open and her skin is covered with perspiration. My powerful suction on the head of Viking's cock has had it's desired effect, as has my fingertip, which has now entered an inch or so into his asshole. I feel his asshole rhythmically clenching onto my finger His hips start to bounce up and down as his bountiful semen shoots up against the roof of his mouth. Non-dairy cream to top off my cream soup! His motion saws the veined upper surface of his cock against Gold's fully exposed clitoris. His hands reach up to cradle Gold's head, and one of his finger's slips into her open mouth, and she starts to suck on it hungrily. Incrementally, over several minutes, their orgasms eventually abate, and Gold lets her body fall back onto Vikings chest. They are both still out of breath and their chest heave to take in air. Many hands wander all over their bodies, rubbing the abundant sweat into the skin. Things have settled down, I ladle streams of the still-warm soup into their open mouths to slake their other hunger, and when they are satisfied, they go off to shower while the rest of us clean up the dining table. Remarkably, hardly a drop of the soup has reached the black plastic table cloth. To be continued... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:26:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12377; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07801; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:23:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07795; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:23:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoa2-0000PIC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: o.crepin-leblond@ic.ac.uk (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond) Subject: FAQ: International E-mail accessibility Date: 25 Dec 1994 01:39:51 -0600 Message-Id: <9412221953.AA11005@cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: The FAQ document mail/country-codes has been recently distributed around Usenet and is available in the Usenet newsgroup news.answers It can however be downloaded in a number of different ways. Here is a short extract of the document: --- snip --- snip --- snip --- Archive-name: mail/country-codes Last-modified: 1994/12/20 Based on International Standard ISO 3166 Names Compiled by Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond E-mail: Release: 94.12.3 Release Notes: a. Vietnam (VN) connected by UUCP b. Zambia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia with FI c. Czechoslovakia (CS) not a top-level domain anymore d. New World Wide Web (WWW) Mosaic version under construction Every now-and-then there are enquiries on the net regarding E-mail to a distant country. The question is often of the type "has that country got E-mail access ?". The following table is a guide of country codes, showing the countries which have access to Internet or general E-mail services. The country codes have been derived from the International Organization for Standardization standard ISO 3166. A country code is taken as a top level domain once it is registered at rs.internic.net so *not* all country codes listed are top level domains. At the bottom of the table, there is also a section of general top level domains, based on the information available at rs.internic.net. Once released, this document is archived in a number of archive sites around the world. Amongst them: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/ ftp://lth.se:/pub/netnews/news.answers/mail/ #ftp://ftp.uu.net:/usenet/news.answers/mail/ #ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk:/pub/uunet/usenet/news.answers/mail/ #ftp://grasp.insa-lyon.fr:/pub/faq/mail/ (#) those may not be accessible via Bear access or direct PC access in some cases. Via E-mail request as follows: mail ftpmail@grasp.insa-lyon.fr Subject: no one cares open [mime] get pub/faq/mail/country-codes quit where [ ] = optional All FAQs are also available via listserv@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be or listserv@blekul11.bitnet . For an index of all FAQs available, put the command GET NETFAQS FILELIST in the body of your message. The document is also retrievable by E-mail from rtfm.mit.edu by sending an E-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu , blank subject line and the command: send usenet/news.answers/mail/country-codes The up-to-date, pre-release document is also available using an experimental simple mail-server that I have setup from my account. Send E-mail to: with a subject: archive-server-request and the command: get mail/country-codes in the body of your message. An experimental (i.e: under construction) WWW version of this document is available as: http://www.ee.ic.ac.uk/misc/country-codes.html This is currently experimental, so its reference may change at short notice, and some of the links in the document are currently not working. HTTP references for Top-Level information servers for a particular country should be sent to . -- Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Digital Comms. Section, Elec. Eng. Department Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, London SW7 2BT, UK Internet/Bitnet: - -- Administrative requests for this list go to info-nets-request@rg.net. However, if you have subscribed through other means, such as through a LISTSERV or other secondary exploder, please send requests there. lserv@rg.nets is an automaton which can handle [un]subscribe mail. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:26:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12398; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04284; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:24:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04278; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:24:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoa4-0000PMC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) Subject: Re: TIME article on milit Message-Id: References: <226.4678.1066.0NBC16DF@wol.com> <9412162249591.DLITE.octavia@delphi.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:59:14 GMT Status: O X-Status: Kaa Byington (octavia@delphi.com) wrote: : : >Maybe Sherwood's concerns won't seem so absurd. : : Well, they're still pretty absurd. Hong Kong is (now) a : city-state with a population of about 6 million with a police force : appropriate to its size, say three or four thousand at most on active duty. : How many FORMER Royal Hong Kong police officers do you suppose there : are who are interested enough to come here? Hong Kong has a per capita : income almost equal to the US, a longer life span, better medical care, no : unemployment, a booming economy--it's a good place to live. If that's so, then why are Hong Kong Chinese scrambling to get out? I'll explain; in 1997, the place will revert to the Communist People's Republic of China, and absolutely NOBODY believes that the PRC will keep their promises about respecting Hong Kong's semi-democratic institutions or free-market economy. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell |"Gun control laws don't work. What is worse, they act 8037 Stone Canyon |perversely. While legitimate users of firearms Citrus Heights, CA |encounter intense regulation, scrutiny and bureaucratic 95610 |control, illicit markets easily adapt to whatever kmitchel@netcom.com |difficulties a free society throws in their way. Also, 916-449-9152 (vm) |efforts to curtail the supply of firearms inflict 916-729-0966 (fax) |collateral damage on freedom and privacy interests that Finger for PGP |have long been considered central to American public public key |life." Daniel Polsby, "The False Promise of Gun Control" | The Atlantic, March 1994 --------------------------------Don't Tread On Me!--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:26:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12419; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07817; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:24:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07811; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:24:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoa6-0000PSC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steveswa@aol.com (SteveSwa) Subject: Re: Exhibition postmark ? Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:52:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3ditpk$hdc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Status: O X-Status: There is a CATALOG of EXHIBITION POSTMARKS by Bill Bomar. It should be available through the APS, or any other good philatelic library. Naturally, most marks are collected on cover rather than loose stamp. Some years ago the fashion was to collect 2"x4" cuts from envelopes, but that faded out, and stamps that way are worth little more than those soaked. Many exhibition cancels are quite rare, although many are common. You should also separate out those merely publicizing an exhibition to those actually cancelled on the grounds. The wavy lines are the killer bars of the cancel, which often had space for a slogan. The are always to the right of the dial indicating town, date, and sometimes time. Happy hunting. Steve Washburne From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:28:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12456; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:28:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04306; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04300; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaA-0000PYC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gokhan Arli Subject: I am interested in simulator programs Date: 24 Dec 1994 07:00:43 GMT Message-Id: <3dggur$39m@zambak.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> Status: O X-Status: Hi as I said I am interested in simulator programs. Especially like ant simulator, if you have anyone or you know where they are (in ftp's) please mail me thanks gokhan@ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:28:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12477; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:28:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07839; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07833; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaC-0000PfC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wlogan@bu.edu (William Logan) Subject: Re: The 1947 Military Invasion of Antarctica [South Pole] by Admiral Byrd Date: 25 Dec 1994 04:41:06 GMT Message-Id: <3dit52$6in@news.bu.edu> References: <1994Dec13.103226.35320@cc.usu.edu> <3dfa54$2ac@ticsa.com> Status: O X-Status: Schwann (schwann@aztec.co.za) wrote: : Max_Natzet@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov (Max_Natzet) wrote: : > : > In article torforde@oslonett.no (Tor F›rde) writes: : > >From: torforde@oslonett.no (Tor F›rde) : > >Subject: Re: The 1947 Military Invasion of Antarctica [South Pole] by Admiral Byrd : > >Date: 21 Dec 1994 06:28:22 +0100 : > : > : > >There might be something that the americans are hiding in the ice at the : > >South Pole. There have been several Norwegian expeditions across : > >Antarctica the last years, but just one of them has been counteracted by : > >US authorities. That one was Monica Kristensen's expedition, and that : > >one was different from others in the way that it was going to explore : > >the ice looking for the tent that Amundsen left there about 90 years : > >ago. It is estimated that the tent today is about twenty meters under : > >the surface. To find the tent the expedition brought with it some : > >kind of sonar, an echoing advise that would enable them to look into the : > >ice. US authorities contacted Norwegian authorities and did a lot of : > >work to stop the expedition, and were very hostile to it. : > >And that is very different from how they treated other Norwegian : > >expeditions, which they have been indifferent to. : > : > >The expedition ran into an accident where one of the members got killed, : > >and did therefore not get far. : > : > : > >Tor F›rde : > >email: torforde@oslonett.no : > : > : > We keep our stockpile of dead aliens there. The cold keeps 'em fresh. : > : > : > : > Max Natzet, Combat Botanist : > NASA/Wallops Facility : > E-Mail: Max_Natzet@CCMail.GSFC.NASA.GOV : : Ah, Government at last. : Where do you keep the live ones? He would tell you but I had to have him shot since he told you bout the dead ones already. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:28:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12498; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:28:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04322; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04316; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoad-0000QQC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pda@aol.com (PDA) Subject: Re: Indianapolis Union St. Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:55:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3ditvb$hdu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <94357.235859U18983@uicvm.uic.edu> Status: O X-Status: Tim Indianapolis Union Station has been renovated. It has several restaurants, and many stores etc. It also has a Holiday Inn, and the Amtrak / bus station. It has not been quite as successful as St Louis. It has had a rough time, but is doing better. The inside of the head house, where some excellent restaurants are, was beautifully restored. If you have the time, take a look. Paul Arden From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:29:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12527; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:29:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04332; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:27:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04326; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:27:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoah-0000QWC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ab411@detroit.freenet.org (David R. Conrad) Subject: Re: FAQ-how to make? Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:07:28 GMT Message-Id: <3dj270$8im@detroit.freenet.org> References: Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, aa447@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lucien Saumur) says: > Most people feel as you do that it is better to live in a >friendly and polite society rather than in a grouchy and rude society >and that it is better not to be grouchy and rude oneself because the >people around will often react in kind. ... True enough. > ... They also can be friendly and >polite without effort and they do not need a humanist organization to >tell them that they should be. ... You said before that you didn't go in for attacking religion. Why are humanist organizations fair game? > ... However, some people are grouchy and >rude and they seem to enjoy it. I feel no urge to preach to them that >they would better enjoy being friendly and polite. Why do you feel an urge to preach to those who feel an urge to preach to them that they would better enjoy being friendly and polite? Besides, what if it has never occurred to them that being friendly and polite has its rewards? Where is the harm in telling them so? Isn't that part of the freedom that you so prize? Regards, David R. Conrad -- ab411@detroit.freenet.org / David_Conrad@mts.cc.wayne.edu "No his mind is not for rent to any god or government." -- Rush From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:29:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12539; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:29:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07849; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07843; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:26:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaF-0000PkC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: billfish@clark.net (Bill Fish) Subject: Re: Carbon Monoxide Testers Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:16:26 GMT Message-Id: <3dj2nq$pts@clarknet.clark.net> References: <3di144$koi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: Dan Webb (dwebb@prairienet.org) wrote: : Does anyone have any recommendations on what kind of a carbon monoxide : tester I should buy, or if they are really necessary? I've been hearing : alot about them, and it seems like many stores carry First Alert for : around $40, but I thought I read something about these not working : correctly. Is this true? Is there a better kind? Any thought would be : appreciated. I was given the First Alert model FACO detector first Christmas last year.A good idea,I reasoned,seeing I have an oil furnace and LP gas stove and water heater.One Saturday in March,about 5 AM,the alarm fired,and I must admit it is loud and piercing.My first reaction was fright,and get everybody out of the house,but then I thought wait a minute.I took the detctor outside and it continued firing.I got in my car and drove 5 miles with the window open.It continued to honk.Drove home,set it on a table where it kept honking till the neighbors got mad. I called up the company and they told me to put the sensor module "in a clean air environment for 48 hours".Is that like a clean room or what?Where does one find clean air in an urban area these days?Anyways,I left it on the porch for a week,put it back in the machine and it fired immediately.They tell me my next step is to send them the unit for repair. I havent decided yet whether to bother. I have not actively been looking for another brand of detector.I kind of wonder if the technology has really been perfected yet. Bill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:30:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12631; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:30:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04354; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:28:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04348; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:28:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaj-0000QbC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eialbur@sgies9.sdrc.com (Ron Albury) Subject: Re: GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN MORONS Date: 15 Dec 1994 18:34:20 GMT Message-Id: <3cq27c$2q6@info1.sdrc.com> References: <3cm4ea$nbm@masala.cc.uh.edu> Status: O X-Status: In article <3cm4ea$nbm@masala.cc.uh.edu>, tgm04135@menudo.uh.edu (T-Bone) writes: |> Dark Hacker (hacker@access.digex.net) wrote: |> : >THE TITLE EXPLAINS IT YOU STUPID FUCKS. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS |> : >AND E-MAIL ME IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM |> |> : Yes I'd say the title explains it... all too well. |> |> : Looks like someone who LIKES being abused. Why else would a twisted |> : pervert like this draw so much abusive attention to himself. Behold the |> : shining pinical of mankind's intellectual development. |> |> : - Hacker |> |> |> This is a simple situation. Mr. Hacker is having second thoughts about |> the way his father touches him and he is lashing out. He is asking for |> our help. His request to be E-mailed is a symbolic request to be spanked |> by his daddy. It is so sad that a soul such as this only has the internet |> to turn to for his troubles. Mr Hacker, I think there is a place in West |> Hollywood that may be able to help you called, "Children of the Night." |> Our blessings are with you... |> |> T-Bone ( aka Daddy Candy ) |> |> Maybe he left his terminal on unattended. Maybe he just likes to start flame wars, or see how much he can get us worked up (how much bandwidth we will waste on him). 'Fishin Buddy' used to raid some of the alt.personal groups on occasion 'fishin for a flame war', just to divert the discussion. His unwanted attentions were finally eliminated by responding to his posts once (and only once) with the following canned message. When he stopped getting the reaction he wanted he finally left the group. canned message: In believe that this posting is flame-bait and belongs in alt.flame, not this forum. I further believe that its originator is not interested in a serious dialog and that any response to the originator, other than this canned message, will only encourage further outbursts. Ron From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:32:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12921; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:32:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04378; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:29:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04372; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:29:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaM-0000PwC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbd@panacea.phys.utk.edu (David DeLaney) Subject: Re: ? for Tom, tokens Date: 25 Dec 1994 04:44:02 GMT Message-Id: <3ditai$cqn@martha.utk.edu> References: <3dhofr$f16@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3di46s$7ac@nuclear.microserve.net> Status: O X-Status: john@enterprise.microserve.com (John Anthony Ruchak) writes: >I'm not Tom, and my group is far from expert, but I have to agree with >what you wrote. My group allows LoP to eat token creatures. LoP reads >"...sacrifice one of your own creatures..." Since these tokens *_are_* >creatures, the LoP can eat and have his fill. That's correct; token creatures can be sacrificed, or targetted by anything that targets creatures - just not by stuff, like the -laces, that targets cards. >The big thing about token creatures is they can't be regenerated. That's *not* correct; if you think a second, you'll remember that regenerated things never got to the graveyard in the first place, weren't killed, and weren't destroyed. Token creatures can be regenerated just fine, since regeneration means they didn't get to the graveyard and didn't get a chance to evaporate... The >ruling is something like they travel through the graveyard on their way >out of the game, but are not there long enough to be the target of spells >or effects that affect creatures in the graveyard. So you can't target >them with things like "Night Soil". ... but they cannot be Night Soiled, or Resurrected, or Animate Dead-ed, or Eaten by the Eater of the Dead, etc., since those all look for creatures already in the graveyard... Dave -- \/David DeLaney dbd@panacea.phys.utk.edu "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. Disclaimer: IMHO; VRbeableWIKTHLC http://enigma.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ / CanterSiegelKibozeBait!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:33:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12960; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:33:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07910; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:30:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07902; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:30:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoan-0000QiC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sae@mobil.perm.su (Alexander E. Soloviev) Subject: KING SIZE Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 08:00:45 GMT Status: O X-Status: KING SIZE õ ÎÁÓ × ËÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓÔ×Å ×ÓÅ ÈÏÒÏÛÏ. ðÌÏÈÏÇÏ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ÎÅ ÄÅÒÖÉÍ. îÏ ÌÕÞÛÅ ×ÓÅÇÏ Õ ÎÁÓ ÐÏÓÔÁ×ÌÅÎÁ ÐÓÉÈÉÁÔÒÉÞÅÓËÁÑ ÓÌÕÖÂÁ. íÙ ÕÖÅ ×ÙÑ×ÉÌÉ É ÇÏÓÐÉÔÁÌÉÚÉÒÏ×ÁÌÉ ×ÓÅÈ ËÏÒÏÌÅÊ, ËÒÏÍÅ ÏÄÎÏÇÏ. á ÄÏ ÐÏÓÌÅÄÎÅÇÏ ÎÅ ÄÏÐÕÓËÁÀÔ ÐÒÉÄ×ÏÒÎÙÅ. îÁ ÐÕÛÅÞÎÙÊ ×ÙÓÔÒÅÌ. éÚ-ÚÁ ÎÅÇÏ Õ ÎÁÓ ÎÅÔ ÓÔÏÐÒÏÃÅÎÔÎÏÇÏ ÏÈ×ÁÔÁ, ËÁË ÔÏÇÏ ÔÒÅÂÕÅÔ ÏÔ ×ÓÅÈ ÓÌÕÖ ëÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÉÊ õËÁÚ. á ÅÝÅ ëÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÉÊ õËÁÚ ÔÒÅÂÕÅÔ ×ÅÌÉÞÁÔØ ÓÅÂÑ (ÔÏ ÅÓÔØ ÅÇÏ, Á ÎÅ ÎÁÓ) ëåòíéôïí-VI. îÅ ÂÏÌØÛÅ É ÎÅ ÍÅÎØÛÅ. õ ÎÁÓ ËÁË ÒÁÚ ÛÅÓÔÙÈ ×ÙÌÏ×ÌÅÎÏ ÂÏÌØÛÅ, ÞÅÍ Ó ÐÅÒ×ÏÇÏ ÐÏ ÐÑÔÏÇÏ ×ÍÅÓÔÅ ×ÚÑÔÙÈ Ó ÐÏÌÉÞÎÙÍ. é ÜÔÉ "ÛÅÓÔÅÒËÉ" ÎÁÉÂÏÌÅÅ ÏÐÁÓÎÙ ÄÌÑ ÏËÒÕÖÁÀÝÉÈ. á ÅÝÅ ÅÓÔØ ÏÐÁÓÎÏÓÔØ ×ÙÌÏ×ÉÔØ ×ÓÅÈ ËÏÒÏÌÅÊ. íÙ ÔÏÇÄÁ ÄÅ ÆÁËÔÏ ÐÅÒÅÓÔÁÎÅÍ ÂÙÔØ ËÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÏÊ ÓÌÕÖÂÏÊ. á ÜÔÏ - ÐÒÏÝÁÊ É ÏËÌÁÄ É ÐÏÞÅÓÔÉ. ðÏÜÔÏÍÕ ÍÙ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÏ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÅÍ × ÎÅÒ×ÎÏÍ ÎÁÐÒÑÖÅÎÉÉ. _"_ íÙ, ÓÏÃÉÏÌÏÇÉ, ÐÒÅÄÎÁÚÎÁÞÅÎÙ ÄÌÑ ÉÚÕÞÅÎÉÑ ÌÀÂ×É ÎÁÒÏÄÁ Ë ËÏÒÏÌÀ × ÓÁÍÙÈ ÒÁÚÎÙÈ ÅÅ ÐÒÏÑ×ÌÅÎÉÑÈ. ðÏÜÔÏÍÕ ÚÁÄÁÅÍ É ÉÓÓÌÅÄÕÅÍ ×ÏÐÒÏÓÙ. çÏÔÏ×ÉÍ ÏÔ×ÅÔÙ. - åÓÌÉ ËÏÒÏÌØ ÐÒÏÅÈÁÌ ÂÅÚ ÂÉÌÅÔÁ × Á×ÔÏÂÕÓÅ ÉÌÉ ÄÁÖÅ × ÔÒÁÍ×ÁÅ, ÔÏ ÓÞÉÔÁÅÔ ÌÉ ÏÎ ÓÅÂÑ ÐÒÉ ÜÔÏÍ ÚÁÊÃÅÍ? îÏ ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÏÐÒÏÛÅÎÎÙÈ ÓËÁÚÁÌ, ÞÔÏ ÓÞÉÔÁÅÔ ÅÇÏ ËÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÉÍ ÐÉÎÇ×ÉÎÏÍ. ïÔËÕÄÁ ÓÄÅÌÁÎÙ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÅ ×Ù×ÏÄÙ. éÚÍÅÎÅÎÙ ÍÁÒÛÒÕÔÙ Ä×ÉÖÅÎÉÑ. ûÔÒÁÆ ÚÁ ÂÅÚÂÉÌÅÔÎÙÊ ÐÒÏÅÚÄ ÒÅÐÒÅÚÅÎÔÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ ÂÒÉÇÁÄÙ ÓÏÃÉÏÌÏÇÏ× ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎ Ë ÏÔÞÅÔÕ × ×ÉÄÅ Ë×ÉÔÁÎÃÉÉ Ë ÏÐÌÁÔÅ. _"_ óÉÖÕ Ñ ÓÅÂÅ ÐÏÓÒÅÄÉ ÒÁÂÏÞÅÇÏ ×ÒÅÍÅÎÉ É ÐÉÛÕ ÏÞÅÒÅÄÎÏÊ ëÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÉÊ íÁÎÉÆÅÓÔ ÄÌÑ ÍÁÎÉÆÅÓÔÁÎÔÏ×. é ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÔÓÑ, ×ÒÏÄÅ, ÎÅÐÌÏÈÏ. üÔÏ ÎÁÓÞÅÔ ÔÏÇÏ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ËÏÒÏÌÑÍ É ÉÎ×ÁÌÉÄÁÍ ÏÔÎÙÎÅ Ë ËÁÓÓÅ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÂÅÚ ÏÞÅÒÅÄÉ. ôÏÌØËÏ ÏÐÑÔØ ÏÔÏÐÌÅÎÉÅ ×Ï Ä×ÏÒÃÅ ÏÔËÌÀÞÉÌÉ, É ÇÏÒÎÏÓÔÁÅ×ÁÑ ÍÁÎÔÉÑ ÎÅ ÓÐÁÓÁÅÔ. á ÐÏÓËÏÌØËÕ ËÏÒÏÎÁ ÓÏ×ÓÅÍ ÎÅ ÇÒÅÅÔ - ÄÅÌÏ ÉÄÅÔ ÍÅÄÌÅÎÎÏ. îÏ ×ÓÅ, ËÔÏ ÎÉ ÐÏÓÍÏÔÒÉÔ, ÐÒÏÈÏÄÑ ÍÉÍÏ - È×ÁÌÑÔ. ðÏÓËÏÌØËÕ ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÔÓÑ, ×ÒÏÄÅ, ÎÅÐÌÏÈÏ. é ÔÒÏÎ ×ÏÚ×ÅÄÅÎ ÎÙÎÞÅ ÕÀÔÎÙÊ. îÅ ÓÔÙÄÎÏ ÓËÁÚÁÔØ - ÚÁÍÏÒÓËÉÊ. îÅ ÛÁÔÁÅÔÓÑ. óÏ ×ÓÔÒÏÅÎÎÙÍ ÇÉÍÎÏÍ. ó ÌÅ×ÙÍ ×ÉÎÔÏÍ, ÒÕÞËÏÊ ÄÌÑ ÒÅÇÕÌÉÒÏ×ÏË É ÐÒÉÓÔÅÖÎÙÍ ÒÅÍÎÅÍ, ÄÒÁÐÉÒÏ×ÁÎÎÙÍ ÏÒÄÅÎÓËÏÊ ÌÅÎÔÏÊ. ôÏÌØËÏ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÊ! ðÏÜÔÏÍÕ ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÔÓÑ, ×ÒÏÄÅ, ÎÅÐÌÏÈÏ. îÏ × ÛÁÐËÅ-ÕÛÁÎËÅ ÂÙÌÏ ÂÙ ÅÝÅ ÌÕÞÛÅ. _"_ íÅÎÑ ÍÁÍÁ ÎÁÚÙ×ÁÅÔ "÷ÏÐÒÏÓÉËÏÍ", ÈÏÔÑ Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÓÏ×ÓÅÍ ÄÒÕÇÏÅ ÉÍÑ (ÔÏÞÎÅÅ, ÓÒÁÚÕ ÔÒÉ - Õ ÎÁÓ ÍÅÎØÛÅ ÎÅ ÐÒÉÎÑÔÏ). á ÞÅÍ ËÏÒÏÌØ ÞÅÛÅÔ ÎÏÓ ×Ï ÓÎÅ? é ÞÅÍ ËÏ×ÙÒÑÅÔ? âÁÔÉÓÔÏ×ÙÍ ÐÌÁÔÏÞËÏÍ, ÐÏÄÁÒÅÎÎÙÍ ËÏÒÏÌÅ×ÏÊ? ÷ÏÏÂÝÅ, ÍÏÖÎÏ ÌÉ ËÏÒÏÌÀ ÓÐÁÔØ, Ó×ÅÒÎÕ×ÛÉÓØ × ËÁÌÁÞÉË? éÌÉ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÒÁÓËÉÎÕ×ÛÉÓØ ÐÏ-ËÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÉ?! éÌÉ Ó ÍÁÍÏÊ, ËÏÇÄÁ ÓÔÒÁÛÎÏ, ÍÏÖÎÏ?! ôÁÍ ×ÅÄØ ÓÔÏÌØËÏ ÉÎÔÒÉÇ! _"_ ëÏÒÏÌÅ×ÓËÏÍÕ Ä×ÏÒÕ ÎÁ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÕÀ ÒÁÂÏÔÕ ÓÒÏÞÎÏ ÔÒÅÂÕÀÔÓÑ: Ä×ÏÒÎÉËÉ, ÐÒÉÄ×ÏÒÎÙÅ É Ä×ÏÒÏÓÅËÉ. ïÐÌÁÔÁ ÐÏ ÄÏÇÏ×ÏÒÅÎÎÏÓÔÉ. ÷ÏÔ Ä×ÏÒÏÓÅËÉ × ËÁÖÄÏÍ ÍÅÓÔÅ É ÓÔÁÌÉ ÓÏÚÄÁ×ÁÔØ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÙ... úÁÞÅÍ ÉÈ ÔÏÌØËÏ ×ÚÑÌÉ ÎÁ ÒÁÂÏÔÕ × ÓËÁÚËÕ! ïÓÔÅÒÅÇÁÊÔÅÓØ ÓËÁÚÏÞÎÙÈ Ä×ÏÒÏÓÅËÏ×! --- sae From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:33:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12981; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:33:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07956; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:30:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07950; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:30:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaP-0000Q2C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gazit@pollux.usc.edu (Salit Gazit) Subject: Re: It's all in a name???? Date: 16 Dec 1994 12:06:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3csrvb$2kv@pollux.usc.edu> References: <14DEC94.17240923.0019@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> <3cs8u2$62d@transfer.stratus.com> Status: O X-Status: In article <3cs8u2$62d@transfer.stratus.com>, Dave Toland wrote: >In article <14DEC94.17240923.0019@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, "Cox,P.E." writes: >| It seems to me that one of the problems is what do the kids call >| their step parents? Language is important and there is no word or title >| that they automatically get. >| >| My step kids all call me by my first name. My son calls his stepfather Just for the record, my son (6 yo) calls ME by my first name. Yup. Never "mom", unless he discusses me with others. I do get school projects dedicated to "mom", though. He also calls everyone else (his dad, uncles, aunt, grandparents) by their first name. There is no question that I am the most important person in his life, at the moment anyway, so not using the title is no indication of his feelings. In the past I tried to get him to call me mom. I explained that this is his special name for me, that's what kids call their parents, etc. Did not help, and I did not consider it an issue worth getting into a fight over. Interestingly enough, my SIL's son also calls his parents by their first name. Maybe it's in the genes? Anyway, don't assume that just because the child calls you by the first name, rather than a special title, that you are not a special person in their life. Salit From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:34:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13018; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08005; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:31:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07999; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:31:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaq-0000QoC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: robertd997@aol.com (RobertD997) Subject: Re: Choosing Braces or Crowns. HELP HELP need advise Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:55:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3ditvc$he0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3db66v$qsr@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: It is difficult to give you a definite opinion without of course examining you myself. I am a general dentist that does both crowns and braces so I deal with many patients that have choices similar to yours. Of course any dental work that is performed that alters the teeth has risks of complications. No restorations that we place are as good as a virgin natural tooth. If your case required regular orthodontic care without surgery to correct your problem the choice would be simple--orthodontic care( providing your teeth don't require exstensive restorative work because of decay, fractures and gum problems) If your problem requires surgery and orthodontic care I find it hard to believe that a good result can be obtained with just crowns. Usually a case requiring surgery to obtain a satisfactory result from the braces would not have its problems solved by just placing crowns. Surgery is required when underlying discrepancies exist in the jaw structure itself not just the teeth. I should have collected my thoughts off line and uploaded a more organized presentation-- Pardon me. In a nutshell----If you are not concerned with your jaw structure when you look in the mirror and your teeth are basically healthy with few restorations an orthodontist should be able to line up the crooked teeth and get a reasonable tooth result with out surgery. I would think that would be a reasonable compromise if your major concern is crooked teeth. You could probably achieve a similar result with crowns but disadvantage-- more future risks of problems with teeth because of having more dentistry done advantage to doing crowns speed If your major concern is facial profile ie very forward teeth, large lower jaw , gummy smile etc then crowns just won't do the trick you must go with surgery and orthodontic work. BOTTOM LINE--Get another opinion probably from a good general dentist that also does a lot of ortho. He or she should be able to view the problem from more than one viewpoint From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:34:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13039; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07869; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:27:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07863; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:27:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaI-0000PqC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mixedup@ATHENA.mit.edu (JZ) Subject: reelten.zip (63/159) ""Reel Ten" The Plugz" Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:14:52 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: UUENCODED by Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] BEGIN--cut here--cut here---- M`"U\0]DNY3ES]E..[)1O>B=M[RHI7=7A8Y?%(^\X>],6NN^UG?^&GO%RD\U0 M3-7U;L0X9V42!KZJ^G,Q)GDI+KRS.W?2:]NF1X>VTX&QMIFFT+0UD,Y*/-"G MHEN=ZD69/;'+N2E;8:BSCHS=]I7VW#MCH@ZI(-4D59OW\+BGM9EW9Q0<\F/> MOD>;GL?ZQR\JRHL5C=S8ZWIG2;0]2QPAC\PIVPQ!SZ##>UO#BT4FY3982;N M2U]?"$HR%/\TRMS3`:NT-O,N+^P'NM33_L)-61`^_2N^T6P?9])?;8E?1 MF362K/LHA/DNE2F[*_ZA7^>5:EJ"`BE'C_V5]NQ_:NUB7-0LC@$*'VJ1*7Q) M`X+)\C9+\$S5HX4Y:B^J+Q>BAMF@M9GBH*=Y";W8CW(C.D*11[BU[>W&G3RS MBE[E:14UNRV/Q=<>2]\!T]ON;]Z6;L1Y/2OZ0`+:$FJ-Q^7WE90G.$'GW^*K MQ_L932!FV=_.-A2+TUE&3(GX/[3H@SA%O@^6\6F>\!F]PX-R-=]`!7VXGLUR MH0FC3?P0+6,B<9C[^0%*])_2'4W-\\[_9M<_8_=Z,M^%(^)S^6YNX(Y931NZ M#*;40-KB'2I%"\Z#Y>I,#YKNR?CT9^WRWYLA#YA`J'YABU>I:UOLV5^8H59E MED))*OM$7_&^[W9Z]YH*JO)85H+5_2`E\T-G=IAS/# ME)4Z0(=ERYI".WM]>B+T\T%)`BMUYF'FMB&JWDU0IK5!B7CG1)#S:F)@O*NO MKQSKG6Z3FI^[)+=+*IX^EFYS/C?W/4JNWZGC#P=9_G04U<+S7.X-[4H%8P]Q M![R:'NC?WF.F.$/I6)$V:*I*=Z_)IIIYK[^>$,!W"U.43?34A^/^:V*LZMI! 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IMHO the Ryobi was >nothing but a glorified vibrator (good news to the gentlemen trying to >convince the significant other about getting one. ;-) ) and the use of >which would become annoying at best. THe Bosch was quite a bit less I have a Ryobi. I completely agree with the above. It's pretty much useless. I wish I could justify to my wife getting the Bosch or Fein. Kevin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:35:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13097; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:35:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08065; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:32:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08059; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:32:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoau-0000QuC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ab411@detroit.freenet.org (David R. Conrad) Subject: Re: "VISUALIZE WORLD PEACE" Date: 25 Dec 1994 06:10:59 GMT Message-Id: <3dj2dj$8r2@detroit.freenet.org> References: <3dd2a6$2k5j@tequesta.gate.net> Status: O X-Status: In a previous article, publius@gate.net (Publius) says: > While driving around today, I saw a bumper sticker: "Visualize > World Peace" and it set me to thinking. > Visualize Whirled Peas. Regards, David R. Conrad -- ab411@detroit.freenet.org / David_Conrad@mts.cc.wayne.edu "No his mind is not for rent to any god or government." -- Rush From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:36:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13138; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:36:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04515; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:32:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04509; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:32:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaV-0000QEC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jason.Seeba@dataport.com (Jason Seeba) Date: 23 Dec 94 21:38:40 Subject: Pinky & the Brain (Are you pondering...) Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: I'm trying to find all of the Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? quotes. The ones I can remember: Brain: Are you pondering what I'm pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? Pinky: But if they called them "Sad Meals" no one would buy them... I think so Brain, but how am I suppossed to memorize the entire opera in Yiddish... Me and Pippi Longstocking, but what would the children look like... Any more??? Jason ----------------------------------------------------------- Internet: Jason.Seeba@dataport.com Fidonet : Jason Seeba 1:143/106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:36:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13175; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:36:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08099; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:33:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08093; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:33:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaY-0000QKC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Gennadi I. Malaschonok" Subject: Re: l@DI, OPOMNITESX! w UGODU AMBICIQM WYSOKOPOSTAWLENNYH PODONKOW UBIWA@T SOTNI NEWINNYH L@DEJ! a MY WSE MOL^IM... Date: Sat, 24 Dec 94 11:03:12 +0300 Message-Id: References: Status: O X-Status: >Subject: l@DI, OPOMNITESX! w UGODU AMBICIQM WYSOKOPOSTAWLENNYH > ÐÏÄÏÎËÏ× ÕÂÉ×ÁÀÔ ÓÏÔÎÉ ÌÀÄÅÊ! á ÍÙ ×ÓÅ ÍÏÌÞÉÍ... > >ëÏÍÕ ÎÕÖÎÁ ×ÏÊÎÁ × þÅÞÎÅ !? >ðÏÌÁÇÁÀ, ÎÉËÏÍÕ ÉÚ ÞÉÔÁÀÝÉÈ ÜÔÉ ÓÔÒÏËÉ ÏÎÁ ÎÅ ÎÕÖÎÁ. "èÕÄÏÊ ÍÉÒ >ÌÕÞÛÅ ÄÏÂÒÏÊ ÓÓÏÒÙ". õ ÍÅÎÑ ÔÁËÏÅ ×ÐÅÞÁÔÌÅÎÉÅ, ÞÔÏ ÍÙ ÓÎÏ×Á >ÐÒÏ×ÁÌÉ×ÁÅÍÓÑ × ÐÒÏÐÁÓÔØ ×ÓÅÏÂÝÅÊ ÂÅÚÎÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÓÔÉ. îÁÍ ÎÁÇÌÏ >×ÒÕÔ Ó ÜËÒÁÎÏ× - ÍÙ ÜÔÏ ÎÅ ÍÏÖÅÍ ÎÅ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÔØ, ÎÏ ÍÏÌÞÉÍ! ìÀÄÉ, >ÏÐÏÍÎÉÔÅÓØ! äÁ, ÍÙ ×ÞÅÒÁ ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×ÁÌÉ ÚÁ ÜÔÉÈ ÌÀÄÅÊ, ÎÏ ÏÎÉ ÎÁÓ >ÏÂÍÁÎÕÌÉ - ÔÁË ÓËÁÖÉÔÅ ËÁË ÍÏÖÅÔÅ Ï ÜÔÏÍ, ÐÒÉÚÎÁÊÔÅÓØ ÈÏÔÑ ÂÙ >ÓÁÍÉ ÓÅÂÅ. îÅ ÍÏÌÞÉÔÅ! îÁÛÉ ÄÅÔÉ É ×ÎÕËÉ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÑÔ ÎÁÍ ÜÔÏÇÏ! [skip] >----------------------------------------------------------------- >SY, "Facsimile Translations" Working Group, Chief Editor, > Andrew Kazantsev, >E-mail: ak@ft.spb.su, ak@andrew.leninf.spb.su; FidoNet 2:5030/114 >----------------------------------------------------------------- þÔÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÓÄÅÌÁÔØ? îÕÖÎÏ ÐÒÏ×ÅÓÔÉ ÄÅÍÏÎÓÔÒÁÃÉÉ ÐÒÏÔÅÓÔÁ ÏÄÎÏ×ÒÅÍÅÎÎÏ ×Ï ×ÓÅÈ ÇÏÒÏÄÁÈ òÏÓÓÉÉ! ÷ ÏÄÉÎ ÄÅÎØ É × ÏÄÎÏ ×ÒÅÍÑ! îÅÓËÏÌØËÏ ÍÉÔÉÎÇÏ× × íÏÓË×Å ÜÔÏÇÏ ÍÁÌÏ. ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÀ ÄÅÎØ - ÓÒÅÄÁ 28 ÄÅËÁÂÒÑ 18-00. --- Gennadi I.Malaschonok Internet: malaschonok@math-iu.tambov.su TMHAS Mathematical Department OR: na.gmalaschonok@na-net.ornl.gov Tambov, Russia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:37:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13212; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:37:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08117; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08111; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLoaz-0000R2C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kalros@ix.netcom.com (Mark Choi) Subject: Quinzip ... where are you? Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:50:08 GMT Message-Id: <3dj87g$2ci@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Status: O X-Status: I have a copy of QuinZip v2.0, a MS-Windows Zip/Unzip utility shareware program that I found to be VERY easy to use. But the copy I have is a few years old. To obtain the latest version, I've attempted to contact the software company Quinessence. But their number is disconnected and the BBS number also no loger valid. Does anyone have more recent version of this software? Anyone know if the company is out of business? B/Regards Mark From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:42:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13349; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:42:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04639; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:37:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04633; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:37:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLob7-0000RCC; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mohos@remus.rutgers.edu (Quentin Mohos) Subject: Re: MY PREDICTIONS Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:41:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3dit52$8no@remus.rutgers.edu> References: <3d866k$b7t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <3da4ot$mj@aristotle.algonet.se> Status: O X-Status: wilh0011@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Ryan K Wilhm) writes: >>THey're at elast working with them in some capacity. A friend of mine who >>works for IBM has been sent to 3DO a few times. >Interesting, I thought IBM originally manufactured the Jag. They were paid by Atari to do so. But as far as I know, there was nothing attached in there that said they could not work with competitors (such as 3DO) if they wanted to. IBM was merely paid to provide a service. Quentin Mohos -- Quentin Mohos mohos@remus.rutgers.edu The "Q" stands for Quality. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Dec 25 01:44:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13417; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:44:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08127; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08121; Sun, 25 Dec 94 01:34:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rLob1-0000R6C; Sun, 25 Dec 94 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mixedup@ATHENA.mit.edu (JZ) Subject: reelten.zip (53/159) ""Reel Ten" The Plugz" Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 19:13:42 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Status: O X-Status: UUENCODED by Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] BEGIN--cut here--cut here---- M=#E1?7T'?KX-[>6$/6>*D:9N%N0![7^<^`TJS^G0S]6#RPQ-SN"'N.`45O!2 MMO=D[W"G+#?IM]=]&N!&_8M+QFQ/K44['FY76RL*^#I:140-K<3UU-F>D&/Z MD[U4E2N!;L&K)DR&88!CH?9S'!4;5?G\7*=+W>8XKMC):==#;^]/F:43/-@0 MVGO5E%!9*O*+B:_';?-XE9\Y!H=-@=A6XBAIW:8#*OK(A%XR$JJ_Q_LWR.=* MC\D_ZV974*/&^C?=1&@W/:U\YD`RZTV]K;H]YEX]`U]5@J+N8!4=8(_,LE]S M[[J%+/":9Y12)=ZN(I;`XS:I!]TYK@ M:K=R+:?B:GPQ#YTHDW?<1T:?0?N:P$5_!XK\7,?R57E[*%PQ4Q9[`S\JJ]KM MM^LUHQF2%=3I2C+M(C]S@--[%)(J2$EIP4_^-:S1R01E7+^\2.OX&.L->_7& M=/A\?05Z]8^]RG&\394]&]YM.+&`>IYZ\M\U.K4_XI;ZD M8DV`6C*&ELN3'9W7:5ZYGN[;^[H]RO.CW+)5=#:)Q3WV6\U='+--)V.H8JR0,E8R6CQ M2"O[$%Y*_CFYH[UBO?DG?L.-BKN%-X)]0UG#3$,Z.PV%0RTA2[^4P7R M<),WE&.>TE/X/G@^=##\DD[83!FF'K5SEXRT@Q;0T%;27+%+-,+-$'%M6.8U M2"*OG5,#@K'0Q?`QG:",IC'BFTR+0ADA_<4L?'*U*+4_0$U[G$I9,=88H/5LDV/NV@)70K7IYS4?\1H$9(5LNA4('PN9CS7P> MBI2./&9.:&.D":_=(=\]WCSC0,\@OZ[*$3^QAEKT")]4``KY!'I]$>X:A$G= MLN\WASO;3/3-"2Z40X;XWSD]W49X2%'J1BO\9S/MAJ+L.[MC,W%WRG0=MWWJ M?MR-VL6D=7XXOC.70Q2SGBAG!_7F+\?>U]&.L^&';!FHZWN>5AE^%16;5>Y" M6%AC;':2OLX#/;]L&HA.GMH0Y\!>W?E@,QH\`*[/)KB:L2+K\!5GH!%CKV_Z,ABG&!*ZF9[A"3>@ M`[WE2BPBJ_91GT>IA%-QXAX0X,.A?[QB>EZ$D9[>=15[!Q=Q;IKEW5@S]>QE MN;`NU7$M/W8U>P=_HS1_JP\WQ>>Y)E\6@K6+1)\PF=M&A?LWFI,.?U*?8"U< M>PZZ;NF9+X5MLHF8<_:7Y(.!G&GS;UG.]`T%LGCKE[]49GBB$K5-9%YCZC#[:FM M$Z,/\=SLL45H8&P:'O,RQ!76/TBFNS2E&5T//BEO_X_/KXZ.Q9]=< MDE]JT`@_457;>PZ558]^GOH$D\GCJ,&GZ-CK5>\=_D8U2/L1__FQVSH(>WC;HQ M%_[<046=0TO,H^M95=W?YFL]+G?3WI$7N;,6.\5J,,]]W;HN;DU_:*B+:C[1 MC=S(X[+&GSTBKAZ6._/H?O;4O3M%D>W/M?6-KNP`RL"+B=_[<1/6V6`::X7* M^0QVTT7//+U]#R^9(-D,I<=])!?=OQNV1,R(7'$*&ZA!1^66MS#BF8$X^[E' M^?'LW>`Q_&PO<;!$<:`]7-F#Q4'<=W(]ULG-7P)K'*?_[^,<*H-9WH1@T\.K ML]3OT;J/!3E'6E'&HK2?^R(CK[F\U32]BS#9)JI&/W_S&[$2_RUQ)W"`2=8?0V\Y*&YG^0EQ]]$S7B/F6=3V+&YPNJ^&1OX0DY^982@GME91 M/+I2.R:KOI=TM;_BW2/Q&MQ2RTV"9KH3[\IJS64`O3`WE-Z>5 M]3L6'>?UM(LALN\XZ*TYWO>!*V48`.U-)/ M;$=UV@`_=D_L!?E)]/56,9[`_=)AI%4@^.*<*CW@M1+1+SA;'H9Y?E=?JV)! 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