From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 16:37:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00209; Fri, 30 Sep 94 16:37:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00523; Fri, 30 Sep 94 16:31:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00517; Fri, 30 Sep 94 16:31:19 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA24631; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:28:13 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA24524; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:31:16 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12886; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:31:16 CDT Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:31:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Daniel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: specifying mail headers In-Reply-To: <36i207$h2k@batman.tamu.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1044 On 30 Sep 1994, Daniel wrote: > How would one specify a "hard-coded" mail header in Pine. For > example, if I wanted all my outgoing mail to have a "Reply-To:" > field of "abc@tamu.edu", how would I do it? > Go to the configuration form and find the line 'customized-hdrs'. Add or change the information you want. For example add: Reply-To: abc@tamu.edu or Reply-To: abc@tamu.edu, Organization: ACME Help Services Note that a comma(,) separate each customized header. Hope this helps, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 17:52:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03569; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:52:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02207; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:45:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02201; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:45:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqsHk-00000IC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: 3.90 - possible bug in 'postpone' Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:37:32 GMT Message-Id: <36i7fs$679@news.halcyon.com> Scenario: user starts composing a message and decides to use the ^O option to postpone writing. User then attempts to re-access the message, and sucessfully is allowed to continue editing the file. User then attempts to postpone editing again, and an endless loop occurs, filling the drive with a .pine-debug1 file (the first we caught was 75 megs in size, and the second was 53 megs). Reproducible problem. I have a debug file a couple of megs in size if someone wants to take a whack at the problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 18:07:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03937; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:07:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08750; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:01:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08744; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:01:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqsXI-00000iC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clive@erase (E. Clive Bard) Subject: Will somebody please teach Pine 3.90 to FORK? Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:42:36 GMT Message-Id: <36hblc$ck9@maelstrom.acton.timeplex.com> Greetings, I like pine very much, but I don't like waiting for it to do stuff that it could be doing in the background while I'm doing something else. Case in point: When I post news with Pine, and I'm in the Newsgroups: header, pine starts to synchronize either its list of newsgroups, or update its idea of whats in them... The result, since my nntp-server is 17 hops away at the moment, is that I wait about 90 seconds to be able to move the cursor to the next field. And woe to the poor schmuck who happens to drop back into the Newsgroups: header as the entire situation occurs all over again... Now I don't mind if Pine wants to be up-to-date on all of its news information, but honestly, why cant it do it in the background? _______________________________________________________________ Clive Bard, Network Administrator E-Mail: clive@nda.com Net Daemons Associates, Inc. `Computer Networking Solutions' 400 West Cummings Park, Suite 4250 (617) 937-3338 Woburn, MA 02108 Beeper: (508) 426-7114 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 18:08:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03972; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:08:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02453; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:02:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02447; Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:02:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqsYp-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 17:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clive@erase (E. Clive Bard) Subject: Pine 3.90 - No Save in Editor Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:48:44 GMT Message-Id: <36hc0s$ck9@maelstrom.acton.timeplex.com> Greetings, I like Pico fine as an editor, but there are time when I would like to use an alternate like vi. No problem you say, because I can set my alternate editor in my configuration and use it whenever I want... However, since sometimes, in an effort to do one keystroke I do another, like CTRL-Z, which causes Pine to crash if I'm Composing new mail with the internal editor, I would like to be able to save mail that I am composing periodically. Unfortunately, Pine doesn't allow you to save mail you are in the process of composing in the Internal editor. One solution might be to set my alternate editor to pico (cause I like the word-wrap) and set the enable alternate editor implicit switch, however, that precludes me from getting at vi with a handy CTRL-_. Pine should be more cautious about mail you are in the state of composing; if it won't autosave it, it should allow you to save it periodically. _______________________________________________________________ Clive Bard, Network Administrator E-Mail: clive@nda.com Net Daemons Associates, Inc. `Computer Networking Solutions' 400 West Cummings Park, Suite 4250 (617) 937-3338 Woburn, MA 02108 Beeper: (508) 426-7114 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 20:44:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07208; Fri, 30 Sep 94 20:44:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11044; Fri, 30 Sep 94 20:41:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11038; Fri, 30 Sep 94 20:41:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqv3e-00000iC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 20:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hribnak@nucleus.com (Jim Hribnak) Subject: Incoming-folders= Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:02:44 GMT WHen I set this to: incoming-folders=bsdi, procmail, news, root etc Pine has these list up above with INBOX but yet when I hit return on them it says file or directory how come? if I go below to the collective folders I think, and I can read the messages areas there. What have I done in the .pinerc that I should do or not do? PLease email me at hribnak@nucleus.com Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 22:40:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09343; Fri, 30 Sep 94 22:40:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06103; Fri, 30 Sep 94 22:34:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rigel.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06097; Fri, 30 Sep 94 22:34:27 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qqx5S-000DNwC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 01:34 EDT Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: Unsubscribe To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <36hc0s$ck9@maelstrom.acton.timeplex.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unsubscribe Pine-info ___ **************************************************************************** |No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads!| **************************************************************************** | Dave M. Harvey PGP 2.61 Public Key available. | | PO Box 151311 Finger warrior@infinet.com.us | | Columbus, OH 43215-8311 dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 01:28:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12529; Sat, 1 Oct 94 01:28:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08413; Sat, 1 Oct 94 01:18:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08405; Sat, 1 Oct 94 01:18:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqzKI-00000sC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 00:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gillman@almaak.usc.edu ([Howard Gillman]) Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: 1 Oct 1994 00:19:00 -0700 Message-Id: <36j2h4$v4@almaak.usc.edu> References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> <36g0us$cka@garuda.csulb.edu> <36htli$rvd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Try control-. Sounds weird, but something suggested it to me and it worked. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 02:24:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13918; Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:24:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15546; Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:12:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15540; Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:12:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qr0Cc-00000LC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 01:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Subject: Re: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:12:53 GMT Howard Altschuler (altschh@iia.org) wrote: : > On 27 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: : > : > > I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via : > > crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! : > : > Yes. In windows pine paste works by inserting the characters as if you : > were typing them. This is a little slower than if we just droped them : > into the buffer, but I've never seen or heard of it taking a minute per : > line. A more detailed description of your system and what other : > applications are running may help me identify the problem. Specifically, : > I'm looking for other applications that may in some way slow down the rate : > at which pine receives events. : > : I have a 386-40 with 8 megs of memory, windows 3.1, dos 6.21, and the : problem occurs even if I only run crosstalk for windows. I have a Pentium 60mhz and Crosstalk for Windows. I experience the same thing -- i.e., if I use Ctrl-^ and block and paste text, it works fine, but if I use the Copy and Paste from Crosstalk, for each line of text the cursor blinks for 20-45 seconds before the text appears on the screen. sometimes it takes so long that my net provider, netcom, drops my connection. -- 68% of all statistics are misleading gbgf@netcom.com (Jerry Stein) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 10:06:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22637; Sat, 1 Oct 94 10:06:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14863; Sat, 1 Oct 94 09:57:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14857; Sat, 1 Oct 94 09:57:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qr7Mu-00000LC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 09:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: L.G.Cuthbert@qmw.ac.uk (Laurie Cuthbert) Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:15:21 GMT Message-Id: References: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it> <369jht$gic@tribune.usask.ca> In article <369jht$gic@tribune.usask.ca> Keele@Duke.Usask.CA (A. Ross Keele) writes: >From: Keele@Duke.Usask.CA (A. Ross Keele) >Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail >Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:08:13 GMT >In article <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it>, root@news.unige.it (system >PRIVILEGED account) says: >> >>George A. Theall (theall1@tju.edu) wrote: >>: > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays >up. >>: > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the >three-fingered >>: > >salute to shutdown the window. >> >>Also I have the same problem, all work wpine don't send , I use Trumpet Winsock >1beta6 and IDA Sendmail on a SGI as SMTP server >And I as well. Same symptoms. All other apps work fine with the IMAP server >and SMTP. I'm using MS TCP/IP stack (and have also tried Trumpet beta 15). I have exactly the same thing with Trumbet beta 15 over SLIP. The debug file gives the following trace: IMAP 16:59 10/1 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd IMAP mm_notify NIL : {osprey} : osprey IMAP2bis Service 7.5(72) at Sat, 1 Oct 1994 16:59:37 +0100 (BST) IMAP mm_notify bye : {osprey.elec.qmw.ac.uk} : osprey IMAP2bis server terminating connection === send called === Addres Regards Laurie Cuthbert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 13:43:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26008; Sat, 1 Oct 94 13:43:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17504; Sat, 1 Oct 94 13:33:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17498; Sat, 1 Oct 94 13:33:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrAsl-00000LC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 13:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Aaron Vinck) Subject: Re: Printing to local Mac printer. Date: 1 Oct 1994 20:10:29 GMT Message-Id: <36kfnl$6sd@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> Daniel Akst (akst@netcom.com) wrote: : I think it's software. I can print to my laser just fine using Windows : Terminal, the old shareware Procomm for DOS, whatever, but WinComm : agsolutely won't do it, and I get the same sequence of pointless : questions and error messages, more or less, that Aaron does. Delrina says : that after investigating, they can state that winComm won't accept the Y : print command from Pine. I think and hope it's software. I wonder, though, if it's because the Deskwriter uses a print spooler -- that this somehow complicates things. : John Piekarski (jonpi@eskimo.com) wrote: : : There doesn't seem to be. I have problems doing just about anything else : : Unix-related on my Mac, but I can easily print to my Laserwriter. I just : : followed the instructions in Pine's SETUP menu and everything worked : : fine. I have Microphone Pro, so I know Microphone products can do this. : : Perhaps there is a problem in your Microphone transfer settings. What, specifically, did you have to do in PINE's SETUP menu? I looked at it, but didn't find anything that looked like it needed adjusting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Aaron Vinck aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----------------[ New DCN Folks...]------------------ | If I happen to mention anything that is foreign, | | strange, or mystical to you (issues, technology, | | acronyms, DCN history, etc.), please ask me. | | I know what it's like being new and not knowing | | what people are taking about! | ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 16:22:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28771; Sat, 1 Oct 94 16:22:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25878; Sat, 1 Oct 94 16:11:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25872; Sat, 1 Oct 94 16:11:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrDEz-00000jC; Sat, 1 Oct 94 15:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: galt@csulb.edu (Charles Galt) Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: 30 Sep 1994 03:33:48 GMT Message-Id: <36g0us$cka@garuda.csulb.edu> References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> : > On 27 Sep 1994, Charles Galt wrote: : > : > > I can no longer (using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work : > > to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line : > > at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You : > > can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I : > > used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. : > > Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our : > > system PINE on Unix mainframe. : > > Thanks... Chuck Forgot to mention that MY problem is on a PC keyboard; still no luck, even with PINE 3.90 now installed here... chuck |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Charles Galt, Professor Tel: 310-985-4808 | | Department of Biological Sciences Fax: 310-985-2315 | | California State University Internet: galt@csulb.edu | | 1250 Bellflower Boulevard Omnet: c.galt | | Long Beach, CA 90840-3702, USA Finger: galt@beach.csulb.edu| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 17:52:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00437; Sat, 1 Oct 94 17:52:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27189; Sat, 1 Oct 94 17:44:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27183; Sat, 1 Oct 94 17:44:49 -0700 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01260; Sat, 1 Oct 94 20:43:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: Howard@pacific.centre.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On 27 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: > I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via > crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! ========= CLIP ======= CLIP ======= CLIP ========= CLIP ======== CLIP ====== I use cut&paste from the Windows clipboard as my mainstay for moving text around from msg. to msg. I am accessing pine (on a unix server) via a tnvt220 (telnet) connection via a remote node dialin to a Novell LAN. This is the only way I know of on a barebones telnet access of moving text around (given that pine can't copy a marked text block out to a file that can be read back into to another msg.). For me the Windows clipboard is not exactly fast, but it's much much faster than I could ever type it in (my dial in link is operating at 19200 bps). Such clipboard service is the main reason I stick with windows (since most of my apps, like the Novell tnvt200, are DOS programs). It is possible that your slow windows clipboard performance is due to your windows system.ini file not being optimized. Sorry I can't help you there---maybe somebody else on the net can suggest how they optimized their windows comm settings for such a situation. ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 18:29:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01086; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:29:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20997; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:21:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20991; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:21:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrFI7-000008C; Sat, 1 Oct 94 18:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mauricio@tezcat.com (Mauricio Araujo) Subject: Re: Including Uploaded Articles in Mail...HOW? Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:59:49 -0500 Message-Id: <36g605$ktp@xochi.tezcat.com> References: Have you saved the article that you upload as text only (i.e. ascii)? This is the problem that I had when I first tried to do this. You can check to see if it is the article by opening it in pico. It will show you exactly what the other person will receive. lindae@netcom.com wrote: : I create documents on a PC in MicroSoft Word and need to upload them : to my NET directory and then e-mail them off to another user. Does : anyone know the most effective way of doing this. : Here's the problem...I've been able to successfully upload the articles : using ProComm Plus and include them in my mail, but the person on the : other end receives my document with all kinds of weird line wrapping, : making it virtually unreadable. I've tried uuencoding the document : online before I send it, but that doesn't seem to work either. : Any helpful, step by step instructions would be most appreciated! : Please e-mail to lindae@netcom.com : Thanks : Linda : lindae@netcom.com -- ============================================================================= Opinions not necessarily those of the author ;) _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 04:01:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10794; Sun, 2 Oct 94 04:01:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04516; Sun, 2 Oct 94 03:52:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04510; Sun, 2 Oct 94 03:52:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrO3M-00000OC; Sun, 2 Oct 94 03:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:15:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> <36g0us$cka@garuda.csulb.edu> <36htli$rvd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36htli$rvd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> On 30 Sep 1994, Yee Chang Lee wrote: > |Forgot to mention that MY problem is on a PC keyboard; still no > |luck, even with PINE 3.90 now installed here... chuck I also cannot get ^_ to work... any more. We used to use Rainbow here, but we have recently moved to an all-Windows environment, so we now use KEAterm 420. Does anybody know why ^_ might not work in this case? Thanks! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 05:06:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12478; Sun, 2 Oct 94 05:06:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28568; Sun, 2 Oct 94 04:58:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28562; Sun, 2 Oct 94 04:58:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrP4S-00000PC; Sun, 2 Oct 94 04:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccsas@humus.ucc.hull.ac.uk (Alex Sharaz) Subject: Address book patches to pine 3.90 Message-Id: Date: 30 Sep 94 15:57:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I'm trying to get hold of the 3.90 source patches for the addressbook bug. I know I had them at one point, but unfortunately I seem to have deleted that message without saving the patches. Can anyone tell me where to get hold of them ? alex RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 10:26:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17326; Sun, 2 Oct 94 10:26:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08925; Sun, 2 Oct 94 10:19:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08919; Sun, 2 Oct 94 10:19:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrTzH-000019C; Sun, 2 Oct 94 09:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 2 Oct 94 12:14:17 EST Message-Id: <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> In article <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (John Graham) writes: > I know that pine 3.9 has that option in the Configure section of it > but what I can't get it to do is to put the sig file after a fowarded > file. I delete it from the top and read it in with Control R at the bottom. I haven't figured out an automatic way yet... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 11:06:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17927; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:06:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02675; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:00:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02669; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:00:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrUqw-00000BC; Sun, 2 Oct 94 10:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: PINE Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:47:46 GMT Message-Id: <36mo7i$m2d@news.halcyon.com> References: <36im0q$3ok@merlion.singnet.com.sg> bobclark@merlion.singnet.com.sg (Bob Clark) writes: >My internet provider uses the Pine mail program. I'd like to find out >how/if I can write programs for auto-answering mail, forwarding mail if >it's from a specific street talk name etc... The local help line people >are unable to provide any information on the suject. Could someone point >me to some ref sources...... You can do these things with a filtering program like Elm's filter, procmail, or deliver. The filtering happens as the mail is delivered so it's independent of the mail user agent you're using. Pine has an incoming-folders variable which you can use to list all your incoming folders at the top of your folder list. I've written some instructions for using filter which are at ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail (I'm planning to update this soon so please send me suggestions for improvement!). For specific questions about... See... =============================== ====== Pine comp.mail.pine Elm's filter program comp.mail.elm procmail, deliver, etc comp.mail.misc Hope this helps, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 11:58:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18758; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:58:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10029; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:52:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10023; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:52:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrVkL-000008C; Sun, 2 Oct 94 11:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 2 Oct 1994 17:57:48 GMT Message-Id: <36msas$nub@news.halcyon.com> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> >In article <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (John Graham) writes: >> I know that pine 3.9 has that option in the Configure section of it >> but what I can't get it to do is to put the sig file after a fowarded >> file. ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes: > I delete it from the top and read it in with Control R at the bottom. >I haven't figured out an automatic way yet... I also haven't figured out a way to automate this, but I think I'm coming around to liking this behaviour. To me it makes sense that the message that you're forwarding is the only thing after this line: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- And all your info, including your sig, is above this line. But for people who want their sig to be the last thing in the message it would be nice if this were configurable. Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 13:24:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20313; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:24:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04250; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:19:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04244; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:19:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrX3N-000008C; Sun, 2 Oct 94 12:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: millerdg@it.uwp.edu (Gabriel Millerd) Subject: Sendmail variants Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:56:10 GMT Message-Id: <36n38q$rl1@cs.uwp.edu> Hello all, The object of the program is to shuffle my signature files around as frequently as possible. I am trying to write a program that will shuffle all the files in $HOME/.sig directory and copy one to $HOME/.signature. Also I want the program to pass all of its arguments to "sendmail" so the actual mesasge will be sent. This will work GREAT with pine, since pine allows you to specify your sendmail program in the $HOME/.pinerc file. Can anyone help me? Thanks {please respond in email as i cannot read news often} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 13:41:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20644; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:41:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11227; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:35:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hoss.vgi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11221; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:35:44 -0700 Received: from hawkeye.vgi.com ([1.0.2.103]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08289; Sun, 2 Oct 94 16:43:32 EDT Received: by hawkeye.vgi.com (1.37.109.4/SMI-4.1) id AA03841; Sun, 2 Oct 94 16:34:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 16:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Lewin X-Sender: lewin@hawkeye To: Gabriel Millerd Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sendmail variants In-Reply-To: <36n38q$rl1@cs.uwp.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Oct 1994, Gabriel Millerd wrote: > Hello all, > > The object of the program is to shuffle my signature files around as > frequently as possible. > > I am trying to write a program that will shuffle all the files in > $HOME/.sig directory and copy one to $HOME/.signature. Also I want the > program to pass all of its arguments to "sendmail" so the actual mesasge > will be sent. Instead of doing that, why don't you make .signature into a named pipe instead of a regular file, and run a program which writes to it? For example (bournish shell): [512]$ mknod FOO p [513]$ (while [ 1 ] ; do fortune > FOO ; done) & [1] 24116 [514]$ cat FOO "The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." [515]$ cat FOO If I had any humility I would be perfect. -- Ted Turner etc. Alex > This will work GREAT with pine, since pine allows you to specify your > sendmail program in the $HOME/.pinerc file. > > Can anyone help me? > > Thanks {please respond in email as i cannot read news often} > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 14:01:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21050; Sun, 2 Oct 94 14:01:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04708; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:55:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04702; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:55:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrXbO-00000FC; Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@chip.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 2 Oct 1994 20:30:11 GMT Message-Id: <36n58j$rks@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <36msas$nub@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough (nancym@ii.com) wrote: : >In article <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (John Graham) writes: : >> I know that pine 3.9 has that option in the Configure section of it : >> but what I can't get it to do is to put the sig file after a fowarded : >> file. : ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes: : > I delete it from the top and read it in with Control R at the bottom. : >I haven't figured out an automatic way yet... : I also haven't figured out a way to automate this, but I think I'm coming : around to liking this behaviour. To me it makes sense that the message : that you're forwarding is the only thing after this line: : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : And all your info, including your sig, is above this line. But for people : who want their sig to be the last thing in the message it would be nice : if this were configurable. : Nancy : -- : ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the : * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." : ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson If you are using pine 3.90, go to "Setup" and choose Configure. Scroll down the list until "Signature at bottom". Put an x in this box, exit setup and restart PINE. That's it. -- _______________________________________ hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 2 18:30:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25913; Sun, 2 Oct 94 18:30:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14894; Sun, 2 Oct 94 18:23:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14888; Sun, 2 Oct 94 18:23:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrbpF-00000HC; Sun, 2 Oct 94 18:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jkb@pipeline.com (John Belfiore) Subject: Receiving mail on my PC from my shell account. Date: 2 Oct 1994 20:53:49 -0400 Message-Id: <36nkmt$ehe@pipe1.pipeline.com> Hello. In pine, how do I download mail to my PC. I am using an internet gateway shell account. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. John (jkb@pipeline.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 00:13:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02003; Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:13:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13501; Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:05:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13495; Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:05:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrh7H-000008C; Sun, 2 Oct 94 23:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: earl@tyrell.net (Nick Danger) Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Message-Id: References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <36msas$nub@news.halcyon.com> <36n58j$rks@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 06:33:46 GMT : : ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes: : : > I delete it from the top and read it in with Control R at the bottom. : : >I haven't figured out an automatic way yet... : : I also haven't figured out a way to automate this, but I think I'm coming : : around to liking this behaviour. To me it makes sense that the message : : that you're forwarding is the only thing after this line: : : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- : : And all your info, including your sig, is above this line. But for people : : who want their sig to be the last thing in the message it would be nice : : if this were configurable. : If you are using pine 3.90, go to "Setup" and choose Configure. Scroll : down the list until "Signature at bottom". Put an x in this box, exit : setup and restart PINE. That's it. I wonder why the author has this backwards. Wouldn't it make much more sense to have the signature default to the bottom and have a configuration option to have it at the top? It sure would elimininate a LOT of confusion. Earl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That may have been one small step for Neil, but it was a heck of a big one for me." -- Pete Conrad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- < earl@tyrell.net > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 01:24:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03555; Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:24:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21063; Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:20:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21051; Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:20:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qriIV-000008C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdavis@cts.com (Morgan Davis) Subject: Re: Printing to local Mac printer. Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 06:54:04 GMT Message-Id: References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> In article , akst@netcom.com (Daniel Akst) wrote: > I think it's software. I can print to my laser just fine using Windows > Terminal, the old shareware Procomm for DOS, whatever, but WinComm > agsolutely won't do it, and I get the same sequence of pointless > questions and error messages, more or less, that Aaron does. Delrina says > that after investigating, they can state that winComm won't accept the Y > print command from Pine. We experience the same problem on our system. Under PINE 3.87 printing worked fine. Under 3.90, lots of subscribers now claim that printing doesn't work as it used to. Something changed between the these versions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 02:19:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04663; Mon, 3 Oct 94 02:19:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15257; Mon, 3 Oct 94 02:15:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15251; Mon, 3 Oct 94 02:15:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrjD2-000008C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 01:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Sharaz Subject: Re: Problems with Lan Workplace winsock and PC-PINE for windows Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:50:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 29 Sep 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I've noticed some messages on this group about the windows version of > > PC-PINE not working with certain flavours of winsocket. I'm running Lan > > workplace Vsn 4.2 and although I can look at myIMAP folders o.k. whenever > > I try to send a message, the PINE process "stops communicating". > > I'm running windows 3.11 on a 486/33Mhz with 8 M ram. Did somebody post a > > solution to this problem that I missed or are there still problems > > running the Windows version of PC-PINE? > > > > Alex > > > > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk > > X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB > > X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz > > Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 > > > > Interestingly enough I have the same problem trying to run WinPine under > OS/2's TCP/IP interface (and OS/2's windows, of course). > Even odder, it has worked OK just twice! > I also get a stuck state when trying to postpone (^-O). > > I have so far been prepared to be convinced that this is an > incompatibility between OS/2 windows and "real" windows, but I am > encouraged by your finding (and others in this group) to think that it > may be bug(s) in winpine after all. > > > ======================================================================= > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > University of Cambridge Computing Service > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 > > > I've solved my problem with WinPine thanks to some messages from other people on this group. I have a number of PC Mail clients set up on my PC and one of them requires a TZ (timezone) varialbe to be set up. Once I'd removed this variable from my autoexec.bat file, everything worked o.k. alex RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 04:04:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07006; Mon, 3 Oct 94 04:04:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22883; Mon, 3 Oct 94 04:00:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22875; Mon, 3 Oct 94 04:00:31 -0700 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA29698; Mon, 3 Oct 94 03:56:28 -0700 Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA22740; Mon, 3 Oct 94 03:56:26 -0700 Received: by new.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12091; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:56:52 +0100 Received: by ds3100.new.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06835; Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:57:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:57:14 +0100 From: stuart@ds3100.new.dec.com (Stuart Broderick) Message-Id: <9410031057.AA06835@ds3100.new.dec.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe pine-info unsubscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 05:11:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08457; Mon, 3 Oct 94 05:11:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23844; Mon, 3 Oct 94 05:06:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23838; Mon, 3 Oct 94 05:06:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrlqN-00000JC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 04:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: igbf@osf01.cc.rl.ac.uk (Mr I G B Fabian) Subject: "Metamal" in pine Date: 3 Oct 1994 11:17:33 GMT Message-Id: <36op8d$1p8p@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> Has anyone built a version of pine that uses metamail? I really like pine but the multimedia support is quite limited (compared to what metamail should provide). Any help or advice on this would be appreciated. Ivan Fabian From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 06:26:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09846; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:26:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18432; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:23:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18426; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:23:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrn1q-000008C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cary Orange Subject: Re: Problems with Lan Workplace winsock and PC-PINE for windows Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 08:32:08 PDT Message-Id: <36otlv$jja@gazoo.sdd.comsat.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I've solved my problem with WinPine thanks to some messages from other > people on this group. I have a number of PC Mail clients set up on my PC > and one of them requires a TZ (timezone) varialbe to be set up. Once I'd > removed this variable from my autoexec.bat file, everything worked o.k. > > alex > Thanks for the tip. I too had a TZ variable defined in my environment and after taking it out, my PC-PINE 3.90 now sends mail. BTW, I'm using the NetManage winsock. Cary From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 07:02:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10536; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:02:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25167; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:57:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25161; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:57:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrnWL-00000MC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 06:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Way to set pine/pico tmp directory Date: 3 Oct 94 13:26:39 GMT Message-Id: <3737@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that pine/pico don't honor (or, at least, aren't aware) of TMPDIR as the location of what users want their temp.scratch directory to be. Any way to have pine/pico use something other than /tmp? -- #include | Jim Jagielski | jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | V: 301 286-5964 | | NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | Greenbelt, MD 20771 | F: 301 286-1719 | << Hey! Your karma just ran over my dogma! >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 07:35:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11285; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:35:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19407; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:31:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19401; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:31:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qro7a-00000JC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:55:01 GMT Message-Id: <36ouv5$nfj@news.halcyon.com> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <36msas$nub@news.halcyon.com> <36n58j$rks@mark.ucdavis.edu> >: >In article <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu>, jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (John Graham) writes: >: >> I know that pine 3.9 has that option in the Configure section of it >: >> but what I can't get it to do is to put the sig file after a fowarded >: >> file. ez017400@chip.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) writes: >If you are using pine 3.90, go to "Setup" and choose Configure. Scroll >down the list until "Signature at bottom". Put an x in this box, exit >setup and restart PINE. That's it. For me the signature-at-bottom variable only works on original messages and replies. For forwarded messages it puts my sig below my message but before the forwarded message, so it's not at the bottom of the whole message. Are you able to get it to automatically go below the forwarded message? Thanks, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 08:01:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12013; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:01:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26069; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:56:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26063; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:56:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qroWI-00000mC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lewin@vgi.com (Alex Lewin) Subject: Re: Sendmail variants Date: 3 Oct 1994 09:18:46 -0500 Message-Id: References: <199410030237.AA20127@it.uwp.edu> On Sun, 2 Oct 1994, Gabriel Millerd wrote: > interesting, great. prblem is that it runs the script too much. > shouldn't there be a wait in there somewhere?? I am thinking that the > second script should have something like a wait in it. i have a sleep > there for now but it is just a poor fix > > -cut here- > #this is run by user > mknod $HOME/.signature p > (while [ 1 ]; do $HOME/bin/sigchanger; done) & The redirection needs to go here ^ so that you have (while [ 1 ]; do $HOME/bin/sigchanger >$HOME/.signature; done) & > -cut here- > > -cut here- > #this is run by program > cd $HOME/.sig > cat `ls -utr | head -1` >$HOME/.signature and you can remove it from here cat `ls -utr | head -1` > sleep 5 #???? > -cut here- As it stood, the pair of scripts would spawn sigchangers until you hit your per-user process limit or the process table filled up. With the change, the while loop forks a sigchanger, which tries to write to $HOME/.signature and blocks, since no one is reading the other end of the pipe. This keeps the while loop from running away. The shell does indeed issue a wait, same as if you had said: (while [ 1 ]; do $HOME/bin/sigchanger >$HOME/.signature & wait; done) & Hope this helps. Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 08:06:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12159; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:06:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19895; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:01:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19889; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:01:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qroZ1-00000nC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 07:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brookhge@ucunix.san.uc.edu (G.E.Brookhart) Subject: Hiding Addresses in Pine 3.89 Date: 3 Oct 1994 09:52:13 -0400 Message-Id: <36p2ad$sb6@ucunix.san.uc.edu> Hello, I tried to find the answer to my question in the docs but failed there so I turn to the group for help. I am running a small mailing list through Pine 3.89 using a group alias. Currently, I simply input the address alias into the To: field. Works fine but as the list grows we are getting a really phenomenal header and some of my subscribers have asked that the header not identify them so that they can preserve their lurker anonymity. Going to a Bcc: field seems to be one option but it is another step right now. I don't want to configure a new header for a variety of reasons and was hoping that there was a way to set things up so that group aliases simply don't spit out into the whole net. Oh yes, one other rub here, the sysadmins in their power are not giving me much access to ways to configure Pine there. Is that them or is it Pine 3.89? I have access to Pine 3.90 on another account and really do prefer that version. This list is growing by leaps and bounds and so I am really locked into solving this Pine problem in a hurry. TIA, Gail Brookhart Cincinnati, Ohio brookhge@ucunix.san.uc.edu -- or -- gail@iac.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 08:39:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14465; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:39:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20782; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:35:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20776; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:35:08 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20123; Mon, 3 Oct 94 08:35:07 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Whitehead Subject: MIME To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: When I send files by Pine they arrive in MIME and receivers of my mail need a way to decode them. Is there any simple MIME software to which you could refer me so files I send via Pine could be translated by my relatively non-technical friends? Suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks. Ann Whitehead From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 10:01:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18471; Mon, 3 Oct 94 10:01:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28902; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:56:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28896; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:56:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrqKd-00000AC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Problems with Lan Workplace winsock and PC-PINE for windows Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:29:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I've noticed some messages on this group about the windows version of > > > PC-PINE not working with certain flavours of winsocket. I'm running Lan > > > workplace Vsn 4.2 and although I can look at myIMAP folders o.k. whenever > > > I try to send a message, the PINE process "stops communicating". > > > I'm running windows 3.11 on a 486/33Mhz with 8 M ram. Did somebody post a > > > solution to this problem that I missed or are there still problems > > > running the Windows version of PC-PINE? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk > > > X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB > > > X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz > > > Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 > > > > > > > Interestingly enough I have the same problem trying to run WinPine under > > OS/2's TCP/IP interface (and OS/2's windows, of course). > > Even odder, it has worked OK just twice! > > I also get a stuck state when trying to postpone (^-O). > > > > I have so far been prepared to be convinced that this is an > > incompatibility between OS/2 windows and "real" windows, but I am > > encouraged by your finding (and others in this group) to think that it > > may be bug(s) in winpine after all. > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, > > University of Cambridge Computing Service > > Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 > > > > > > > I've solved my problem with WinPine thanks to some messages from other > people on this group. I have a number of PC Mail clients set up on my PC > and one of them requires a TZ (timezone) varialbe to be set up. Once I'd > removed this variable from my autoexec.bat file, everything worked o.k. > > Wow - what a wierd and wonderful idea - how on earth did you come to try that. Believe it or not, removing the SET TZ=value from the AUTOEXEC.BAT solved my problems also! I have emailed pine-bugs with the good news. Of course, this is not a solution, as we do actually need to set the timezone (the piece of email I sent myself from Windows Pine under OS/2 said it came from the PDT timezone, which is Pine's default). ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 11:42:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24012; Mon, 3 Oct 94 11:42:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25556; Mon, 3 Oct 94 11:36:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25550; Mon, 3 Oct 94 11:36:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrrtZ-00000PC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Wayne Wilson Subject: PEM or PGP Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The readme for future enhancements lists PEM or PGP support. Can anyone summarize what the leanings are for one or the other, i.e. which one is likely to be included and why? I know why one would want either system, I am just trying to gauge sentiment favoring PEM or PGP over the other in the pine community. 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Reply_To: nabisa@frc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 12:59:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27358; Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:59:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03928; Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:50:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03916; Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:50:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrt3r-00000QC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: georgel@starbase.neosoft.com (George Livsey) Subject: Local News Only Possible with Pine3.90 under FreeBSD 1.1.5.1? Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:59:03 GMT Message-Id: <36pk9n$etf@uuneo.neosoft.com> I have pine 3.90 installed on a box running FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 and I can read the news just fine but cannot post. I am running c-news and only have local news. Pine complains that it cannot find an nntp server. I tried localhost and the host name to no avail. Is it possible to post to local news only under Pine 3.90? George Livsey georgel@starbase.neosoft.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 16:01:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05099; Mon, 3 Oct 94 16:01:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10659; Mon, 3 Oct 94 15:55:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10651; Mon, 3 Oct 94 15:55:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrvzy-000008C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 15:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stephen Sheldon Subject: Very Sloww response on ptx Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 15:14:02 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I first installed pine 3.90 on a Sequent with ptx 2.1, Pine ran very fast with very little wait at all. Three weeks later, I run pine and it will take 3 minutes to go into menu screen, and another three mintues to go into folders screen. When I run top it show very little cpu time. Running elm is still very quick. Any ideas what to check on as to why it is running so slow. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 18:10:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10573; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:10:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08339; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:05:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08333; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:05:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qry3T-00000AC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 17:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: "Metamal" in pine Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:09:36 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36op8d$1p8p@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36op8d$1p8p@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> Pine 3.90 has .mailcap support that was originally derived from metamail... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 3 Oct 1994, Mr I G B Fabian wrote: > Has anyone built a version of pine that uses metamail? I really like pine but > the multimedia support is quite limited (compared to what metamail should > provide). Any help or advice on this would be appreciated. > > Ivan Fabian > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 18:21:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11077; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:21:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13691; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:17:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13683; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:17:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qryBA-00000MC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 17:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sow@cad.luth.se (Sven-Ove Westberg) Subject: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. Date: 3 Oct 1994 20:21:39 +0100 Message-Id: <36plk3$rpn@orme1.mt.luth.se> Why can not pine read the MH folders? I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. Pine say that the folder is empty but i have messages stored in MH format in them (eg a separate file for each message). Regards, Sven-Ove Westberg, CAD, University of Lulea, S-971 87 Lulea, Sweden. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 19:19:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12124; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:19:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09338; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:15:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09332; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:15:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrz9c-000008C; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vanhoose@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Todd E. Van Hoosear) Subject: HEADERS: Activating ^T Date: 4 Oct 1994 01:54:26 GMT Message-Id: <36qcki$gsc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> pine390-DocServer@docserver.cac.washington.edu told me: > o You can now control which headers show up by default in the composer. > This is done by using the Setup/Config screen to set the > "default-composer-hdrs" option. You would specify a list of headers > you wish to be visible immediately when you enter the Composer. Other > headers are still accessible via the "^R Rich Header" command. Is there any way to activate your address book (using ^T) on a header line that you have custom created? (I have a long personal mailing list that I would rather keep local and not stick into /etc/sendmail/aliases but I _don't_ want people to have to flip through pages of headers if they've a decent mail program. So I added a custom line "Apparently To:" that works fine except for the address book.) Any suggestions, comments would be very welcome! Thanks, - Todd -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - T o d d E. V a n H o o s e a r - ``'''vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu - vanhoose@msu.edu - vanhoose@sparhawk.cl.msu.edu (._.) Michigan State University - East Lansing, MI USA (_) Computer Laboratory - Department of Communication `---' My Home Page PGP-aware: finger vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu for my public key ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 19:29:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12300; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:29:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14583; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:26:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14577; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:26:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qrzIM-00000HC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: anto@inn.bppt.go.id (Anto Daryanto) Subject: Spool mail in BSDI Date: 3 Oct 1994 21:02:15 -0500 Message-Id: Hi, I have compiled Pine 3.90 for BSDI v1.1. With default configuration pine can not see user mail spool. The mail spool directory is in /usr/var/mail. So I've made a change in pine/pine-use.c to reflect the machine user mail spool directory. But still, pine can't see spool directory. Any idea? -anto =============================================================== | Antonius Daryanto | Direktorat TEI OS/2 | | a.daryanto@inn.bppt.go.id | BPPT Teknologi & | | | Jakarta, INDONESIA Linux | =============================================================== disclaimer: My opinion does not represent my employer's opinion From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 20:19:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13367; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:19:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10195; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:16:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10188; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:15:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs04l-00000AC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noel@wfu.edu (Noel Hunter) Subject: Re: How do I download to my PC? Date: 4 Oct 1994 02:44:14 GMT Message-Id: <36qfhu$meq@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <36d6q9$33r@pipe4.pipeline.com> Try using the new ansi printing feature to "print" messages to your terminal program. If you configure the terminal program printer to print to a file... you can essentially "download" on the fly. -- * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University * * email: noel@wfu.edu http://www.wfu.edu/~noel * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 20:19:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13388; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:19:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15301; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:16:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15295; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:16:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs04m-00000HC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 19:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noel@wfu.edu (Noel Hunter) Subject: Re: [Q] Problem running PINE in a HPTERM Date: 4 Oct 1994 02:46:29 GMT Message-Id: <36qfm5$meq@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: Urs Kradolfer (kradi@seismo.ifg.ethz.ch) wrote: : Dear colleagues, : scanning through the last 2 weeks of messages in the news-group : comp.mail.pine did not give me an answer to my queston, which is: : - running 'pine' in a hp-terminal (workstation HP/9000 series) using : TERM either 'hp' of 'hpterm' causes problems with the position of the : cursor and the 'highlighted text' in menus. : does anyone know a solution? on a vt100-terminal (or xterm) pine runs GREAT! Many hp terminals can do ansi or vt100 emulation. We send the escape sequence to switch to ansi mode beroe launching pine, then switch back after exiting. Sophisticated users may prefer to switch manually. -- * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University * * email: noel@wfu.edu http://www.wfu.edu/~noel * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 21:09:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14637; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:09:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10982; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:06:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10976; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:06:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs0r9-00000AC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: [Q] Problem running PINE in a HPTERM Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:31:36 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear colleagues, scanning through the last 2 weeks of messages in the news-group comp.mail.pine did not give me an answer to my queston, which is: - running 'pine' in a hp-terminal (workstation HP/9000 series) using TERM either 'hp' of 'hpterm' causes problems with the position of the cursor and the 'highlighted text' in menus. does anyone know a solution? on a vt100-terminal (or xterm) pine runs GREAT! Thanks for your help, Urs Kradolfer, Switzerland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 3 21:09:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14663; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:09:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16093; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:06:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16087; Mon, 3 Oct 94 21:06:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs0rC-00000IC; Mon, 3 Oct 94 20:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: [Q] pine and 80 characters per line Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:35:14 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thinking 'pine' is a great tool (really!), I was somewhat disappointed that mails having 80 characters on some lines were truncated: although the used terminal/window had 80 characters per line, lines with 80 characters were truncated to a next line... Does anyone have a solution on how to overcome this problem? by the way: 'elm' does not have this problem... Best regards and thanks for any response, Urs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 00:40:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18939; Tue, 4 Oct 94 00:40:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13647; Tue, 4 Oct 94 00:36:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13641; Tue, 4 Oct 94 00:36:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs49S-00000nC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 00:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Bug In Pine, hopping between newsgroups Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 23:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: A user of mine reported a bug in pine. I've been able to reproduce the bug sucessfully on a D-G and a SV4 build (latter being on a Solaris system). I have been able to reproduce the bug by doing the following: LIST Folders Open news collection Goto (G command) to a specific group name Delete a few articles List folders (L command) Open news collection G specific group name Top status line still says old group line Bottom status line says Opening "new group name" Bombs with... Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. > Ken, I have noticed, especially today in going through the newsgroups > that as I use the Go To Command (it usually happens after the first GoTo) > that I get a "Bug in Pine Detected. Aborting Pine. and then I am sent > back to the shell prompt. Is this something that I am doing or is this a bug> > > Usually what happens is this. I will use GoTo and go to a newsgroup. I > will go down the list deleting the various posts. When I am finished, I > hit L for going back to the newsgroups, hit G for Goto again, type the > name of the newsgroup and then the above message appears and I find > myself at the shell prompt. > > From there, I can type Pine.New again; get back to the news groups; type > goto again, get to the first news group successfully; type L and goto > again, followed by the name of the newsgroup I want and then the bug > message again. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 05:41:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26399; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:41:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23084; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:27:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23078; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:27:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs8h3-00000YC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Beelzebub Belial) Subject: Can I Pnews through any mail program? Date: 4 Oct 1994 03:27:53 GMT Message-Id: <36qi3p$en5@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Hi all netters, I have a question, can I Pnews through any mail programs? (e.g. elm, pine...) Any help will be appreciated! Thanx very much! Beelzebub Belial. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 05:49:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26525; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:49:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17847; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:38:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17841; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:38:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs8mr-00000iC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: snurmela@utu.fi (Sami Tapani Nurmela) Subject: PC-Pine 3.90 won't send mail: problem found Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:14:48 GMT A while ago I wondered why my updated PC-Pine 3.90 (with FTP Software's PC/TCP 2.31) won't send mail. After contacting my system management, we were able to locate the problem why PC-Pine 3.90 cannot contact our SMTP server (Zmailer). >From the log of our SMTP-server when I tried to send mail: 24682r HELO [ëN] 24682w 500- ^ 24682w 500 Illegal input characters: 8-bit char on SMTP input So, is this a bug in Pine ? Or is it just our server being too picky ? -- Sami Nurmela - snurmela@utu.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 05:50:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26546; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:50:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23233; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:38:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23221; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:38:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs8pE-00000bC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: robbee@crl.com (Rob Bidleman) Subject: Folder Config Date: 4 Oct 1994 00:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <36qvtr$i3d@crl3.crl.com> I have seen this thread before without an answer. I belong to a very busy list and receive close to 100 posts a day from it. I attempted to have it filtered to a folder but -- no go. Someone said earlier that it was not possible but I have seen it done by others without scripts or additional software. Huh? Robbee ---------------------------------------------===robbee@crl.com===---------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 06:02:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26813; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:02:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18027; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:52:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18021; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:52:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs92X-00000YC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cormack@fisonssurf.co.uk (Alec Cormack) Subject: Re: Pine manual Date: 4 Oct 1994 07:50:29 GMT Message-Id: <36r1g5$7a4@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> References: <36cmf6$1jfb@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> In article <36cmf6$1jfb@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>, hammer@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (John Edgar Johnston) says: > >I'm a new user of pine, and am impressed with it so far, but I need to >get a manual so that I can figure out how to set the options in my >.pinerc file (LSU's pine doesn't support the setup options method). Can >someone let me know where to FTP or buy a manual from? Thanks. > >John E. Johnston III >U.S. Civil War Center >Louisiana State University Try FTPing to ftp.cac.washington.edu and looking in /pine/docs directory Alec Cormack MIS Manager, Fisons Surface Science email: acormack@surface.fisons.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1342 327211 Fax: +44 (0)1342 315074 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 06:13:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27059; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:13:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23609; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:07:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23603; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:07:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs9GP-00000fC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: francis@moe.ac.sg (Francis Ho) Subject: Registered Mail? Date: 4 Oct 1994 06:11:45 GMT Message-Id: <36qrn1$60b@piaget.moe.ac.sg> Is it possible to send REGISTERED mail in pine or for that matter in unix? -- Francis Ho Internet: francis@moe.ac.sg Education Data Centre, MOE Tel : (65) - 4713949 " Doing without thinking, is as good as thinking without doing " From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 06:56:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28206; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:56:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18853; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:47:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18847; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:47:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qs9uH-00000fC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 06:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: guimond@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Alexandre Guimond) Subject: saved-msg-name-rule Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:08:11 GMT Hello, Just wondering if it is possible to put a the file-name instead of the options specified. I'd like to put something like: saved-msg-name-rule=saved instead of saved-msg-name-rule=default-folder that saves to saved-messages. The thing is I automatically save all my read mail in saved but with the s command I have to specify a name each time because I can't ``redefine'' default-folder. thanks. -- - Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:07:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00484; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:07:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25407; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:01:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25401; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:01:08 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa03254; 4 Oct 94 11:01 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA25138; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:01:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Rob Bidleman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Folder Config In-Reply-To: <36qvtr$i3d@crl3.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 4 Oct 1994, Rob Bidleman wrote: > I have seen this thread before without an answer. I belong to a very busy > list and receive close to 100 posts a day from it. I attempted to have it > filtered to a folder but -- no go. Someone said earlier that it was not > possible but I have seen it done by others without scripts or additional > software. Huh? > It's possible, but just not possible with Pine alone, which is the Mail User Agent, and has no control over delivery. There are several programs, filter (part of the elm distribution), procmail, deliver, and others that can do delivery filtering for you. Some of them can be run, installed as root, as a partial replacement for sendmail, but most can be run unpriviledged by a single user by using the .forward file to direct all mail to this filtering program. The feature that Pine has that makes it useful when used with a delivery filter, but which often confuses people into thinking that it can do that filtering, is the ability to be configured to notify you of new mail delivered to a set of several folders other than the default INBOX. So, if you have some mail redirected to another folder, you will still get a new-mail from ... message. If you don't need *delivery* filtering, mush, and the latest version of Pine (also probably MH, and others I'm not familiar with) both let you apply a command to a whole series of messages. For example, in Pine you can select all messages addressed To: a particular mailing list, and then either Zoom in on them ( show only those messages in the display ) or Apply a Save to another folder command to them. ) -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:27:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01216; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:27:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25857; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:22:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25851; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:22:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsBPG-00000VC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: melander@msus1.moorhead.msus.edu (eRikmELanDeR) Subject: pine 3.89 support PGP? Message-Id: <1994Oct3.231541.2265@msus1.msus.edu> Date: 3 Oct 94 23:15:41 -0500 Does PINE version 3.89 support PGP data encryption? If so, how would one go about installing the program to encrypt mail "on the fly"? If PINE version 3.89 does not support PGP data encryption, does version 3.90 or do I have to wait for later versions to receive PGP support? Please reply either via e-mail or post. If you choose e-mail my mailing address is: melander@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Thanks in advance. EEM M From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:41:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01972; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:41:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26167; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:35:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26161; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:35:47 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17530; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:35:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: Rob Bidleman , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Folder Config In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The feature that Pine has that makes it useful when used with a > delivery filter, but which often confuses people into thinking > that it can do that filtering, is the ability to be configured > to notify you of new mail delivered to a set of several folders > other than the default INBOX. So, if you have some mail redirected > to another folder, you will still get a new-mail from ... message. Steve et al: This isn't quite correct. Due to performance concerns, Pine only keeps the "current" and "inbox" folders open, so those are the only two you will get "immediate" (i.e. within 2.5 min) new mail notification in. In the future we will be investigating ways to improve this. For now, I think the main virtue of Pine's "Incoming Msg folders" is that you can press TAB at the end of the Index and Pine will see if there are any Recent messages in each of the listed folders. This *reduces* the "out of sight, out of mind" problem that delivery to multiple folders sometimes causes. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:52:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02358; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:52:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21002; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:44:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20996; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:44:37 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA15974; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:41:29 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA17951; Tue, 4 Oct 94 10:44:33 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00500; Tue, 4 Oct 94 10:44:33 CDT Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:44:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Alexandre Guimond Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: saved-msg-name-rule In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1381 On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Alexandre Guimond wrote: > Hello, > > Just wondering if it is possible to put a the file-name instead of the > options specified. I'd like to put something like: > > saved-msg-name-rule=saved > > instead of > > saved-msg-name-rule=default-folder I am guessing, but I don't think the above will work. (Maybe if you edit .pinerc directly, but I have my doubts.) > > that saves to saved-messages. The thing is I automatically save all my > read mail in saved but with the s command I have to specify a name each > time because I can't ``redefine'' default-folder. > I don't know if this is acceptable or not, but you could try setting 'read-message-folder'. This saves all read messages into a folder and can be done automatically. For more info, go to the configuration screen and press F1. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:57:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02573; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:57:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26497; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:52:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from saguenay.IRO.UMontreal.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26491; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:52:10 -0700 Received: from brisay.IRO.UMontreal.CA by saguenay.IRO.UMontreal.CA (8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16057; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:52:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: guimond@IRO.UMontreal.CA Subject: Re: saved-msg-name-rule To: kenny@ttd.teradyne.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Oct 1994 kenny@ttd.teradyne.com wrote: > I don't know if this is acceptable or not, but you could try setting > 'read-message-folder'. This saves all read messages into a folder and > can be done automatically. I've done this to automaticly save my read messages to my ``saved'' folder. But if I try to use the S command, it saves to ``saved-messages'' and not to ``saved''. Thanks for the help thought. - Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 08:57:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02598; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:57:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21206; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:52:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21200; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:52:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsBrn-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chapmand@candu.aecl.ca (Dawn Chapman) Subject: Re: Can I Pnews through any mail program? Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:36:17 GMT Message-Id: <36rloh$b3f@newton.candu.aecl.ca> References: <36qi3p$en5@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Beelzebub Belial (sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : Hi all netters, : I have a question, can I Pnews through any mail programs? : (e.g. elm, pine...) : Any help will be appreciated! : Thanx very much! : : Beelzebub Belial. -- Dawn Chapman UNIX System Support (905)823-9060 x2087 email: chapmand@candu.aecl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 09:27:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04760; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:27:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27275; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:18:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27269; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:18:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsCGv-00000NC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 08:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmord@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: MIME Message-Id: <1994Oct4.093846.670@batman> Date: 4 Oct 94 09:38:46 MST References: In article , whist@crl.com (Ann Whitehead) writes: > When I send files by Pine they arrive in MIME and receivers of my mail > need a way to decode them. Is there any simple MIME software to which > you could refer me so files I send via Pine could be translated by my > relatively non-technical friends? Suggestions would be much appreciated! > Thanks. Ann Whitehead > I have the same frustrating problem. I read the faq and pulled down mpak for the mac and it kinda seems to works sometimes..when sending mail to my work address but now I've lost the site with all that stuff and I have friends dos/windoze types who need mpak or similar so we can send attached files. Please, somebody help us, Please! Many thanks, Bret From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 09:40:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05324; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:40:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27615; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:34:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27609; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:34:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsCU1-00000MC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Spool mail in BSDI Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:58:29 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine-use is a standalone utility to check on Pine usage and is not compiled into Pine itself. The place you need to make the change is in c-client (imap/ANSI/c-client/os_bsi.h)... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 3 Oct 1994, Anto Daryanto wrote: > Hi, > I have compiled Pine 3.90 for BSDI v1.1. With default configuration pine > can not see user mail spool. The mail spool directory is in /usr/var/mail. > So I've made a change in pine/pine-use.c to reflect the machine user mail > spool directory. But still, pine can't see spool directory. > > Any idea? > -anto > > =============================================================== > | Antonius Daryanto | Direktorat TEI OS/2 | > | a.daryanto@inn.bppt.go.id | BPPT Teknologi & | > | | Jakarta, INDONESIA Linux | > =============================================================== > disclaimer: > My opinion does not represent my employer's opinion > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 09:40:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05353; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:40:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22402; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:34:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22396; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:34:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsCTu-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: HEADERS: Activating ^T Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:53:56 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36qcki$gsc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36qcki$gsc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Why don't you just use Bcc? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 4 Oct 1994, Todd E. Van Hoosear wrote: > > pine390-DocServer@docserver.cac.washington.edu told me: > > > o You can now control which headers show up by default in the composer. > > This is done by using the Setup/Config screen to set the > > "default-composer-hdrs" option. You would specify a list of headers > > you wish to be visible immediately when you enter the Composer. Other > > headers are still accessible via the "^R Rich Header" command. > > Is there any way to activate your address book (using ^T) on a header > line that you have custom created? (I have a long personal mailing list > that I would rather keep local and not stick into /etc/sendmail/aliases > but I _don't_ want people to have to flip through pages of headers if > they've a decent mail program. So I added a custom line "Apparently To:" > that works fine except for the address book.) Any suggestions, comments > would be very welcome! > > Thanks, > > - Todd > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - T o d d E. V a n H o o s e a r - > ``'''vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu - vanhoose@msu.edu - vanhoose@sparhawk.cl.msu.edu > (._.) Michigan State University - East Lansing, MI USA > (_) Computer Laboratory - Department of Communication > `---' My Home Page > PGP-aware: finger vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu for my public key > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 09:50:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05994; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:50:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22583; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:42:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22577; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:42:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsCdw-00000QC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 09:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PC-Pine 3.90 won't send mail: problem found Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:08:02 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: Well, I'm not sure whose bug this is... PC/TCP is returning garbage on som= e versions and we have not found all of the workarounds to make it work consistently :( Pine 3.91 will atleast have a filter to prevent the 8bit characters, but it still may not work completely as we would like...=20 |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Sami Tapani Nurmela wrote: > A while ago I wondered why my updated PC-Pine 3.90 (with FTP Software's= =20 > PC/TCP 2.31) won't send mail. After contacting my system management, we > were able to locate the problem why PC-Pine 3.90 cannot contact our SMTP > server (Zmailer). >=20 > From the log of our SMTP-server when I tried to send mail: > 24682r HELO [=EBN] > 24682w 500- ^ > 24682w 500 Illegal input characters: 8-bit char on SMTP input >=20 > So, is this a bug in Pine ? Or is it just our server being too picky ? > -- > Sami Nurmela - snurmela@utu.fi >=20 >=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 11:20:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09721; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:20:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29907; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:12:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29901; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:12:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsE2J-00000WC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 10:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kjetil@troll.eee.strath.ac.uk (Kjetil Rossavik) Subject: /usr/bin/uuname: No such file or directory Date: 04 Oct 1994 10:34:35 GMT Message-Id: Hi, When I am trying to email to certain addresses, my machine (running Linux) complains that: Command: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/uuname: No such file or directory sendmail: etoib@etobi.eua.ericsson.se ... deferred: (ERR_127) router uucp_neighbors: command `/usr/bin/uuname' returned exit status EX_32256 sendmail: mail moved to /var/spool/smail/error/0qs74C-0001fmC Am I missing a file? Why doesn't this happen every time I mail something? Regards, Kjetil. -- Kjetil Rossavik Tel. +44-41-552 4400 Signal Processing Division ext. 2686 Dept. of Electronic and Electrical Eng. Fax +44-41-552 2487 University of Strathclyde Glasgow G1 1XQ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 11:20:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09727; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:20:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24709; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:12:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24702; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:12:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsE30-00000aC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 10:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlfoster@vespucci.iquest.com (Dayna Foster) Subject: Editing Headers in Reply Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:21:43 GMT Message-Id: <36s2v7$i6u@polo.iquest.com> How do I edit the header when I reply to a message if I want to add addressees? I have checked the on-line help and the printed information I have and cannot find the answer in either place. Thanks! Dayna Foster From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 11:44:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10993; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:44:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25263; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:35:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25255; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:35:38 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23502; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:35:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: mmord@batman.bmd.trw.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME In-Reply-To: <1994Oct4.093846.670@batman> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've excerpted a MIME doc we have around here that contains the following pointer: There are a number of stand-alone programs that can interpret a MIME message. One of the more versatile is called "munpack". It was developed at Carnegie Mellon University and is available via anonymous FTP from the host ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory pub/mpack/. There are versions available for Unix, PC, Mac and Amiga systems. For compabibility with older forms of transferring binary files, the munpack program can also decode messages in split-uuencoded format. See the FAQ on comp.mail.mime for other alternatives. -teg On 4 Oct 1994 mmord@batman.bmd.trw.com wrote: > In article , whist@crl.com (Ann Whitehead) writes: > > When I send files by Pine they arrive in MIME and receivers of my mail > > need a way to decode them. Is there any simple MIME software to which > > you could refer me so files I send via Pine could be translated by my > > relatively non-technical friends? Suggestions would be much appreciated! > > Thanks. Ann Whitehead > > > > I have the same frustrating problem. I read the faq and pulled down > mpak for the mac and it kinda seems to works sometimes..when sending > mail to my work address but now I've lost the site with all that > stuff and I have friends dos/windoze types who need mpak or similar > so we can send attached files. > Please, somebody help us, Please! > Many thanks, > Bret > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 12:09:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12367; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:09:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01262; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:02:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01255; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:02:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsEoI-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 11:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vanhoose@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Todd E. Van Hoosear) Subject: Re: HEADERS: Activating ^T Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:25:58 GMT Message-Id: <36s6nm$ooo@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <36qcki$gsc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> On Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:53:56 -0700, David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Why don't you just use Bcc? I wouldn't mind using it, but I would still like people to be able to see the whole list if they _want_ to. - Todd -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - T o d d E. V a n H o o s e a r - ``'''vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu - vanhoose@msu.edu - vanhoose@sparhawk.cl.msu.edu (._.) Michigan State University - East Lansing, MI USA (_) Computer Laboratory - Department of Communication `---' My Home Page PGP-aware: finger vanhoose@gdl.msu.edu for my public key ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 12:14:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12497; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:14:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26106; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:06:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26100; Tue, 4 Oct 94 12:06:32 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA257977832; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:10:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Subject: unintelligible letter from russia (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 SSBoYXZlIHNlZW4gZGlzY3Vzc2lvbnMgb2YgYWx0ZXJuYXRlIGNoYXJhY3Rl ciBzZXRzLCBidXQgaGF2ZSBuZXZlciANCmVuY291bnRlcmVkIGFueXRoaW5n IGJ1dCBzdHJhaWdodCBhc2NpaSwgdW50aWwgdGhpcyBtZXNzYWdlIGFycml2 ZWQgZnJvbSANCnNvbWV3aGVyZSBpbiBSdXNzaWEuLi4NCg0KQW55IHN1Z2dl c3Rpb25zPw0KDQpEYW4NCiAtLQ0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KRGFuIE1hbmRlbGwsIENvbXB1dGVyIFNlcnZpY2Vz LCBTYWludCBNYXJ5J3MgQ29sbGVnZSAgICAgIA0KSW50ZXJuZXQ6IGRtYW5k ZWxsQHNhaW50bWFyeXMuZWR1DQoNCiJPdGhlcnMgcHJvbWlzZSB5b3UgdGhl IFdvcmxkLiBXZSBkZWxpdmVyISI6ICBOZXcgWW9yayBUaW1lcw0KDQoNCg0K 7ef1LCDo6e3m4essIOvBxsXE0sEgxsnayd7F08vPyiDIyc3JyQ0Kyy7ILs4u 8+Hm7+7v9/Ug9y7hLg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgIPXXwdbBxc3ZyiD3ycvUz9Ig 4czFy9PFxdfJ3iwNCiAgICAgICDQ0s/Tyc0g0M/E1NfF0sTJ1Ngg98HbxSDT z8fMwdPJxSDC2dTYIM/Q0M/Oxc7Uz80NCtDPIMTJ09PF0tTBw8nJIOvV3tXL wsHF18Eg6C7nLi73xdLP0dTOz8Ug19LFzdEg2sHdydTZIC0NCtMgMjQuMTAg 0M8gMTQuMTEgMTk5NCDHz8TBLiDzz8/C3cnUxSzQz9bBzNXK09TBLMvBy8nF IMTOyQ0KxMzRIPfB0yDCz8zFxSDVxM/CztkuIPDSz9PJzSD3wdMg08/Pwt3J 1NggzsHNINfB28k6DQrV3sXO1cAg09TF0MXO2Cwg1d7Fzs/FINrXwc7JxSwg xM/M1s7P09TYLCDBxNLF0y4NCiAgICAgICDkydPTxdLUwcPJwCDQ0snXxdrF zSDXIMvPzsPFINPFztTRwtLRwA0KICAgICAgIPrB0sHOxcUgwszBx8/EwdLJ zSwNCiAgICAgICDzINXXwdbFzsnFzSwg69Xe1cvCwcXXIOgu5y4NCiAgICAg ICBlLW1haWwgYWRkcmVzczogYWJhc2hldkBuc2lwc3UucGVybS5zdQ0KDQo= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 13:23:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15832; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:23:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27786; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:18:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27772; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:17:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsG2H-00000LC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlinford@trance.helix.net (D. Linford) Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 4 Oct 1994 12:17:21 -0700 Message-Id: <36s9o1$153@trance.helix.net> References: <368sbk$3mp@bushwire.apana.org.au> In article , R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > >Please make it configurable, and make the default to treat mail as private. >I can think of almost no case where it is appropriate to post back to news >something that I have received in private mail. There many times when someone posts a message to a group which they don't follow. They request responses via email. Many times it would be appropriate to initially send to the newsgroup as well. I wonder if the problems is that there is insuficient information in the headers for the pine to determine if the message was posted, as well as mailed. d -- ---- D.Linford ----- Van.BC ---- ---- dlinford@helix.net -------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 13:59:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17535; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:59:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03950; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:54:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03944; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:54:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsGYF-00000NC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tkraft@teleport.com (Tim Kraft) Subject: MIME Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:20:51 -0700 Message-Id: <36sdf3$kgk@linda.teleport.com> >I've excerpted a MIME doc we have around here that contains the following >pointer: > > There are a number of stand-alone programs that can interpret a MIME > message. One of the more versatile is called "munpack". It was developed > at Carnegie Mellon University and is available via anonymous FTP from the > host ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory pub/mpack/. I don't know what the problem is, but I haven't been able to get Munpack to decode any attached messages sent with Pine. Munpack gives me the message "Nothing to unpack." Yet when I look at the file with a text editor it says it's encoded with the MIME format. Anyone know what the problem is?? -- _____ | TBK |_______________ | tkraft@teleport.com | ----------------------- -- _____ | TBK |_______________ | tkraft@teleport.com | ----------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 14:00:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17591; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:00:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28480; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:54:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28474; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:54:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsGYR-00000OC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca (Dave Morrow) Subject: Full Name in Pine 3.90 Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:53:16 GMT Message-Id: <36s8as$flc@newton.candu.aecl.ca> Why does Pine 3.90 not always pull the full name of a user from /etc/passwd? -- David A. Morrow AECL Candu Tel: (905) 823-9060 Fax: 823-2302 Email: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 14:02:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17752; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:02:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04032; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:57:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04026; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:57:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsGct-00000PC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk (Kamil Kukura) Subject: Re: Disconnected use of wpine..??? Date: 4 Oct 1994 15:24:24 GMT Message-Id: <36rs38$3d6@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> References: <35kl1a$t0f@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> : Exactly this mode of operation is one of our goals, but we have quite a long : road to get there yet............. At compose mode; the pine could simply recognize it's not connected any longer and save the message into special a folder for instance TO_SEND This shouldn't be very hard. Worse is, how to process this folder as a dozens of waiting messages to be sent. As the format of folder is straightforward some third-party program could take over this job. -- -- Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk -- -------------------- -- MIME, ISO-Latin-2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 14:22:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18649; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:22:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28989; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:18:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28981; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:18:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsGww-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 13:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rkgupta@zeus.cac.washington.edu (Raman Gupta) Subject: Bug in pine? IOT Trap? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 18:11:31 GMT I am using pine on a NeXT machine and am receiving the following error message when I try to exit from pine. Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. IOT trap This message only occurs when I have mail in my inbox. If I do not have any mail in my inbox (for example, if I have expunged it), the message still shows up the first time I exit pine, but then disappears if I go into and exit pine again. If I simply delete my messages without expunging them and then exit pine, and answer yes to the prompt "expunge messages?", I get the above error and my messages never get expunged. Can anyone help me? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 15:08:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20803; Tue, 4 Oct 94 15:08:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05607; Tue, 4 Oct 94 15:03:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05601; Tue, 4 Oct 94 15:03:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsHdJ-00000JC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 14:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Subject: pine3.90 and hpterm anyone? Message-Id: <1994Oct4.221408.26448@oxvaxd> Date: 4 Oct 94 22:14:08 BST Hello Has anyone got a diff to pine 3.90 so that it will work in a HP-UX hpterm window? It works for an xterm but the cursor keys are messed up - guess it is HP's curses that is the problem. Thanks Neil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 16:36:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24574; Tue, 4 Oct 94 16:36:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07622; Tue, 4 Oct 94 16:28:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07616; Tue, 4 Oct 94 16:28:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsIwz-00000BC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 16:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lillqvis@cc.Helsinki.FI (Holger Lillqvist) Subject: Wanted: copy msg replied-to into buffer Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:25:27 GMT Message-Id: <36rokn$5p1@hybrid27.Helsinki.FI> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many terminal programs allow you to scroll backwards in a screen buffer, and even copy material from the buffer. However, pine (unlike elm) does not copy the replied-to msg into buffer, so you can't glance at the msg, should you want to check something there while responding - or copy a detail from it etc. Is it possible to add such a feature in coming versions of pine? If not permanent, it could be an option you could choose in setup/configure. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 17:18:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26529; Tue, 4 Oct 94 17:18:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03345; Tue, 4 Oct 94 17:08:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03339; Tue, 4 Oct 94 17:08:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsJdm-00000BC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 16:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (Ben Marcotte) Subject: Turn off pruning? (Fearing the end of each month) Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:23:31 GMT Message-Id: <36so5j$oec@pith.uoregon.edu> Is there a way to turn off the "feature" of monthly pruning- the process of pine asking you at the begining of each month: Disk space is limited. Delete "sent-mail-MMM-YYYY" ? I have looked through pine.conf, .pinerc, man pine and the help in Setup for any configuration or feature switch that might apply but I can find nothing. What am I missing? I find this to be the most agrivating part of an otherwise friendly program. Ben Marcotte ============================================================================== Ben Marcotte ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (503) 346-4592 ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 18:42:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28743; Tue, 4 Oct 94 18:42:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10256; Tue, 4 Oct 94 18:38:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10250; Tue, 4 Oct 94 18:38:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsL0q-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 18:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: latzer@aludra.usc.edu (Christina E. Latzer) Subject: Probably just FAQ, but....help me please?? Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:10:51 -0700 Message-Id: <36suer$4ig@aludra.usc.edu> Please forgive me if I've messed up or made other major errors, but this is the first time I've tried to post anything. What I'd like to know is if there is any way to save letters from pine to my hard drive instead of to the network, so that I can access the letters from my word processor. Conversely, I'd like to know how to send word processor files as part of my letters in pine. Thanks in advance. :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 4 22:25:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03846; Tue, 4 Oct 94 22:25:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07967; Tue, 4 Oct 94 22:19:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07961; Tue, 4 Oct 94 22:19:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsORc-00000AC; Tue, 4 Oct 94 21:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <368sbk$3mp@bushwire.apana.org.au> <36s9o1$153@trance.helix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36s9o1$153@trance.helix.net> It seems from discussions with other users that the problem is that some (many?) newsreaders supply too much information when replying via mail. That is, they include a Newsgroups: header even though the message was not posted to the newsgroup! Pine sees the Newsgroups: header and assumes that the message was posted as well as mailed. AFAIK, there is nothing that Pine can do to tell that the Newsgroups: header is a lie... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 4 Oct 1994, D. Linford wrote: > In article , > R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > > > >Please make it configurable, and make the default to treat mail as private. > >I can think of almost no case where it is appropriate to post back to news > >something that I have received in private mail. > > There many times when someone posts a message to a group which > they don't follow. They request responses via email. Many times it > would be appropriate to initially send to the newsgroup as well. I > wonder if the problems is that there is insuficient information in the > headers for the pine to determine if the message was posted, as well > as mailed. > > d > -- > ---- D.Linford ----- Van.BC ---- > ---- dlinford@helix.net -------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 00:34:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06885; Wed, 5 Oct 94 00:34:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15572; Wed, 5 Oct 94 00:29:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15566; Wed, 5 Oct 94 00:29:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsQWi-00000BC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 00:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: galt@csulb.edu (Charles Galt) Subject: Folder Modification Time But... Date: 5 Oct 1994 07:12:10 GMT Message-Id: <36tjka$6bg@garuda.csulb.edu> I repeatedly get the msg *beep* [Folder modification time but apparently no changes] since we installed 3.90; any way to stop this? Thanks... chuck -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Charles Galt, Professor Tel: 310-985-4808 | | Department of Biological Sciences Fax: 310-985-2315 | | California State University Internet: galt@csulb.edu | | 1250 Bellflower Boulevard Omnet: c.galt | | Long Beach, CA 90840-3702, USA Finger: galt@beach.csulb.edu| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 02:14:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09794; Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:14:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11366; Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:08:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11360; Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:08:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsRwr-00000AC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 01:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Ah! My Goddess) Subject: === How to set nntp in .pinerc in order to read news? === Date: 5 Oct 1994 08:14:43 GMT Message-Id: <36tn9k$fi8@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Hi netters, Just wondering how to set up nntp server in the .pinerc in order to read and post news through the pine? Any help is being appreciated. Thanx very much! P.S. Please feel free to mail me directly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _||___ _||___ _||___ _||_ ||_ __||__ _||___ ||__ ||__ || : / :|| : || _||__ /||, \ /||, \ ===. || : ,||.+||-+ __|| _||__ ===. : ||, : ||, ) : \' || :||_: : : || : : \|/ / \|/ / --' / \ || || `---- \|' ' --' =========================================================================== kchan@mondrian.csufresno.edu sadistic@picard.cs.wisc.edu sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 03:16:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11181; Wed, 5 Oct 94 03:16:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17740; Wed, 5 Oct 94 03:09:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17728; Wed, 5 Oct 94 03:09:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsSyc-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: Can't define fcc on pine PC Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:26:56 GMT Message-Id: Hi, All my efforts to define my fcc folder on my PC version of pine failed and I wonder why. I tried defining it on my pc, specifying default-fcc sentmail and on my remote unix machine by typing default-fcc: chermesh {bgumail.bgu.ac.il}sent_mail In both cases, the response I get is: CREATE failed: Can't create mailbox mail/savemail: no such file or directory Well, the problem is that both my sent_mail folder exists on my unix account and on my mail directory on my pc. Ran p.s. Funny as it may sound, the pc folders were operative on version 3.89 I've never tried the remote directory mode on 3.89. R.C. -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 06:12:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16799; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:12:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14750; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:05:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14738; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:05:18 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA24829; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:02:10 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA19874; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:05:16 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00611; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:05:15 CDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:05:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Ah! My Goddess Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: === How to set nntp in .pinerc in order to read news? === In-Reply-To: <36tn9k$fi8@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1238 On 5 Oct 1994, Ah! My Goddess wrote: > Hi netters, > Just wondering how to set up nntp server in the .pinerc in order to read and > post news through the pine? > Any help is being appreciated. Hi, You need to set these two lines in your .pinerc (either through editing or through the configuration screen. (One note: I think you only supply *{ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com/nntp}[] on the news-collection line and pine fills in the subscribed groups.) Also, to state the obvious, you must change ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com to whatever you nntp server is. nntp-server = ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com news-collections = Subscribed-Groups *{ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com/nntp}[] Hope this helps, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 06:42:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17814; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:42:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15150; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:29:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15144; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:29:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsW45-00000nC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schliesk@sos.sos.net (Jay Schlieske) Subject: Re: Local News Only Possible with Pine3.90 under FreeBSD 1.1.5.1? Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:56:50 GMT Message-Id: <36tt92$3vj@cleese.nas.com> References: <36pk9n$etf@uuneo.neosoft.com> George Livsey (georgel@starbase.neosoft.com) wrote: : I have pine 3.90 installed on a box running FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 and I can : read the news just fine but cannot post. I am running c-news and only : have local news. Pine complains that it cannot find an nntp server. : I tried localhost and the host name to no avail. Is it possible to post : to local news only under Pine 3.90? I use pine3.90, can read and post to localhost with a port redirected to my remote nntpserver and works with a term connection. This is with Linux 1.1.50. Pine thinks it's posting to localhost, even in actuality, its not. This is due to the NNTPSERVER environment variable being set as localhost. Hope this helps. : George Livsey : georgel@starbase.neosoft.com -- schliesk@sos.sos.net - Jay o Jay Schlieske <#< " Above all.... have fun. " +*+ Credits: smartmail__>^>__by * Linux+Pine3.90+Smail+Term-2.1.4+PoP +*+ ---------- #include ------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 06:43:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17841; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:43:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20848; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:30:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20842; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:30:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsW8a-00000hC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:06:44 -0500 Message-Id: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <36s9o1$153@trance.helix.net> In David L Miller writes: >It seems from discussions with other users that the problem is that some >(many?) newsreaders supply too much information when replying via mail. That >is, they include a Newsgroups: header even though the message was not posted >to the newsgroup! This is not "too much information." The newsgroups header on email is informative, and what else is the purpose of information but to be informative. > Pine sees the Newsgroups: header and assumes that the >message was posted as well as mailed. Then Pine is stupid for making such an assumption. > AFAIK, there is nothing that Pine can >do to tell that the Newsgroups: header is a lie... The "Newsgroups:" header is not a lie. There is nothing in RFC822 which forbids a "Newsgroups:" header in email. The header informs the email recipient as to the origin of the discussion. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 06:51:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18079; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:51:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15370; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:40:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15364; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:40:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsWHS-00001UC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: klau@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Allan Jay Lau Kim Wah) Subject: Using Bcc Field In PINE 3.89 Message-Id: <1994Oct4.183454.74070@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 4 Oct 94 18:34:54 CDT I have a problem using Bcc field to hide a list of addresses. When I tried to hide a few addresses, it worked okay. But when I tried to hide an extensive list of addresses, the list showed up in the receivers' mails. Can anyone tell me why and help me solve this problem? Need a fast answer. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 07:07:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18635; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:07:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15729; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:00:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15723; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:00:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsWck-00001BC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pkean@gti.gti.net (Peter Kean) Subject: Pine/Pico question Date: 5 Oct 1994 07:03:05 -0400 Message-Id: <36u159$4k0@gti.gti.net> I have a couple of access accounts, but want all email replys to posts to come here. How can I change the return domain name in a usenet post using pico as my editor? Please email reply. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 07:07:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18653; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:07:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21319; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:59:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21309; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:59:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsWPt-00000nC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schliesk@sos.sos.net (Jay Schlieske) Subject: Re: 3.90 - possible bug in 'postpone' Date: 5 Oct 1994 10:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <36u09h$3vj@cleese.nas.com> References: <36i7fs$679@news.halcyon.com> Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com) wrote: : Scenario: user starts composing a message and decides to : use the ^O option to postpone writing. User then attempts : to re-access the message, and sucessfully is allowed to : continue editing the file. User then attempts to postpone : editing again, and an endless loop occurs, filling the : drive with a .pine-debug1 file (the first we caught was 75 : megs in size, and the second was 53 megs). Reproducible : problem. Might be an os dependent problem? I constantly postpone and re-edit, repostpone up to 5 messages (the most I've had in the queue) and have had no problems. This as a regular user. In fact, I think this is one of the best new features they in- corporated in pine, to allow a queue of postponed messages. I recently tried to compile for a BSD/386 BSDI 1.1 0 os and pico kept failing at alt_editor (osdep.c from os_unix.c) and pine kept failing at sstrcasecmp [(pipe) appended to os-bsi.c]. Did you get any warnings during the make ? -- schliesk@sos.sos.net - Jay o Jay Schlieske <#< " Above all.... have fun. " +*+ Credits: smartmail__>^>__by * Linux+Pine3.90+Smail+Term-2.1.4+PoP +*+ ---------- #include ------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 07:17:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19035; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:17:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21446; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:06:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21434; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:06:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsWgM-00001CC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: keithc@gx2.uk.mdis.com (Keith Cordon) Subject: New user requires help. Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:07:12 GMT Message-Id: I have only just discovered PINE so please bear with me. Can someone please email me with information on how to stop the creation of enourmous .pine-debug files everytime I use pine. Also is there a FAQ for pine users? I've managed to get to grips with most of it but I have a few questions.... Many Thanks |\ Keith Cordon. Email:kcordon@uk.mdis.com /| | \ MDIS Tel : +44 602 490614 / | ------ \ Nottingham UK Fax : +44 602 497939 / ------ > < ______ / All comments are mine and mine alone! \ ______ | / All spelling and grammatical mistakes are deliberate \ | |/ and designed to annoy the pedantic. \| Is this a blessing or is it a curse? Does it get any better, could it get any worse? J.S. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 07:45:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20028; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:45:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15988; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:15:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15982; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:15:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsWiH-00001EC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 06:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Pine c-client patch for DG/UX: utime() problem Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1971628816-2078917053-781353965=:11174" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1971628816-2078917053-781353965=:11174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Pine 3.90 has a problem on DG/UX systems when using utime() to modify folder access and mod times. The result, folders getting weird modification dates, especially after an expunge operation. The folders most often were set to Dec 31, 1969 (epoch) or some other strange date. The problem is, the code defines... time_t tp[2]; ... and then passes tp into utime(). On DG/UX, utime actually is looking for four doubles. Each time is actually two time_t's, the second being in microseconds!!! If the struct utimbuf is used, it will work on DG/UX. I checked a SunOS and Solaris system and they both define utimbuf with members actime and modtime as well. The patch that is mime-attached to this message just patches the files to use utimbuf and does NOT put #ifdefs around anything. If this is a bad thing, then this patch will break some other system out there. I, and other DG users who told me they seen the same problem at other sites, would appreciate it if some type of fix for this could be folded into future releases ... and we all really appreciate the d-g build option in there already! Compiling was a breeze! -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW Delaware Technical & Community College |*| ---1971628816-2078917053-781353965=:11174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; NAME=ChangesByWeave Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Patch for DG/UX utime bug VGhpcyBwYXRjaCBjaGFuZ2VzIHRoZSB1dGltZSgpIGNhbGxzIHRvIHVzZSBh IHV0aW1idWYgc3RydWN0IGluc3RlYWQgb2YNCmFzc3VtaW5nIHV0aW1lIGV4 cGVjdHMgdXRpbWJ1ZiB0byBiZSBhIHN0cnVjdCBvZiB0d28gdGltZV90IHZh cmlhYmxlcy4gVGhpcw0KYnJlYWtzIHRoZSBjYWxsIG9uIERHL1VYIHNpbmNl IHV0aW1idWYgYWN0dWFsbHkgaXMgZm91ciBsb25ncyBpbiBsZW5ndGggYW5k DQppbmNsdWRlcyBsb25ncyB0byBtZWFzdXJlIG1pY3Jvc2Vjb25kcy4gVGhl IHJlc3VsdCB3YXMgdGhhdCB0aGUgbW9kdGltZSB3YXMNCnVzdWFsbHkgc2V0 IHRvIDAgb3Igc29tZSBvdGhlciByYW5kb20gdmFsdWUsIHNvIGlmIHV0aW1l IHdhcyBldmVyIGNhbGxlZCwgDQptdGltZSdzIG9uIHRoZSBmb2xkZXJzIHdl 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(5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16703; Wed, 5 Oct 94 07:55:15 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AB25711; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:52:07 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA25157; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:55:13 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00635; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:55:13 CDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:55:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: "Christina E. Latzer" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Probably just FAQ, but....help me please?? In-Reply-To: <36suer$4ig@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1369 On 4 Oct 1994, Christina E. Latzer wrote: > Please forgive me if I've messed up or made other major errors, but this is the first time I've tried to post anything. > What I'd like to know is if there is any way to save letters from pine to my hard drive instead of to the network, so that I can access the letters from my word processor. Conversely, I'd like to know how to send word processor files as part of my letters in pine. > Thanks in advance. :) > Hi, There are 2 options here, first you can setup a folder (folder-collection) through the configuration screen. With this, you can save messages to folders locally on you PC's hard drive. If you are just trying to save a message to your hard drive, then use 'E' to export the message and specify the filename(and path if desired). Hope this helps... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 08:46:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22196; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:46:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23052; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:34:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23046; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:34:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsXzR-00001IC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 08:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Re: Folder Modification Time But... Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: <36u984$ean@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <36tjka$6bg@garuda.csulb.edu> In article <36tjka$6bg@garuda.csulb.edu>, Charles Galt wrote: >I repeatedly get the msg *beep* [Folder modification time but apparently >no changes] since we installed 3.90; any way to stop this? Thanks... chuck What is your system type? We had that exact same problem. I *just* posted patches to fix this problem for DG/UX systems. The utime() call should have a utimbuf struct passed to it on all systems that I've checked on instead of assuming it is a two-element array of time_t vars (longs). Maybe the patch will fix your problem as well, even if you don't have DG/UX. -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| My opinions .NEQ. college's position From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 10:01:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26869; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:01:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19442; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:46:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19436; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:46:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsZB3-00000aC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk (Dave Hastings, OUCS) Subject: Pine 3.90 on VAX/VMS Message-Id: <1994Oct5.155656.26464@oxvaxd> Date: 5 Oct 94 15:56:56 BST Hi, Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I tried today I got lots of warnings of the form %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters Comments anyone? Dave -- David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time VAX Systems Programmer | chitchatting with machines for Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" - JM daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 10:06:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27348; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:06:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25432; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:54:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25422; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:54:32 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA22646; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:52:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Restricted Pine To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We're looking for a way in which pine can only be used to mail to LOCAL users. We wish to make the easy interface available to our clients, but do not wish them using our system as a sending point for mail to the world. Ideally a config option along the line of: local-only Which would disallow the "@" sign in an address. Any suggestions for workarounds with the present format? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 10:24:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28373; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:24:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20376; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:15:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20370; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:15:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsZc9-00000BC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) Subject: Possible remote .sig and addressbook? Message-Id: <1994Oct4.124625.22240@dmp.csiro.au> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:46:25 GMT Hi All, In the help given with Pine for Windows, it mentions that presently a local signature file and local addressbook has to be used. We would like to get pine for Windows going with IMAP such that it doesn't matter which PC or terminal a users runs pine from. However, with the requirement for a local sig file and local addressbook, this is harder to achieve. Two main queries :- Is (and when) it planned that a future version of pine (and IMAP?) will be able to use remote addressbooks and signature files. How do people use the IMAP pine from different PCs and terminals semi transparently. (i.e., do users download a central addressbook file and sig file?). Ideas and comments appreciated. Lachlan. -- Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 PO Box 124, Port Melbourne \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 3207 AUSTRALIA v From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 10:25:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28533; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:25:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26208; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:14:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26202; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:14:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsZbC-00000IC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 09:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Unaligned access pid=26005 va=14008a174 pc=1200752f4 ra=1200752e8 type=stq Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:42:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is the message I get when using Pine in a DECterm which is sized at something other than the default 24 x 80: Unaligned access pid=26005 va=14008a174 pc=1200752f4 ra=1200752e8 type=stq When I go into an index (and this is the only time it occurs), with the setup different to the default (such as now, it is 48 x 132), this is what I get, and the longer the index, the more I get; sometimes pages of these messages (arranged rather messily, not one per line or anything), if I enter a large index. Does anyone have any idea what may be causing this? Thanks. --Simon. (Well, at least ^_ works in a DECterm!) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 10:56:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00768; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:56:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21307; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:49:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21301; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:49:30 -0700 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-11 #2001) id <01HHWXGYO02AIRHXJD@INNOSOFT.COM>; Wed, 05 Oct 1994 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 on VAX/VMS In-Reply-To: <1994Oct5.155656.26464@oxvaxd> To: daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 5 Oct 1994 daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk wrote: > Hi, > > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form > > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters > > Comments anyone? well, this happens on the DEC C compiler too. You have two choices, 1. change the identifier to be shorter everywhere 2. use a #define to define it in os-vms.h It would be nice if they don't show up in the source at all, this is just one of many issues when porting Pine to VMS. > > Dave > -- > > David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time > VAX Systems Programmer | chitchatting with machines for > Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" - JM > daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk | > > /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 11:11:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01656; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:11:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27425; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:00:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27419; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:00:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsaMY-00000bC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Invoking pine for newsreading Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:34:26 GMT In Pine 3.07 I could open a session on a newsgroup from the command line quite concisely: pine -if \*comp.mail.pine The tersest I can manage with 3.90 is pine -if \*\{news/nntp\}comp.mail.pine Am I overlooking something obvious? Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 11:26:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02574; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:26:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21954; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:15:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21948; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:15:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsaZE-00000YC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lmiller@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx (Larry Miller [DT]) Subject: Re: Probably just FAQ, but....help me please?? Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:51:26 -0600 Message-Id: <36ui1u$3p1@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx> References: <36suer$4ig@aludra.usc.edu> Christina E. Latzer (latzer@aludra.usc.edu) wrote: > Please forgive me if I've messed up or made other major errors, but this > is the first time I've tried to post anything. What I'd like to know is > if there is any way to save letters from pine to my hard drive instead of > to the network, so that I can access the letters from my word processor. > Conversely, I'd like to know how to send word processor files as part of > my letters in pine. Assuming you are using Unix pine (?), you need to save the messages in a folder within your directory, then transfer the file to your PC where you can work with it. The transfer procedure depends which terminal program you are using-- give us more details or ask for local help. Sending a message prepared on your local is the reverse procedure-- transfer the file to your unix directory, then (R)ead it into your pine message buffer. Make sure you save the file from your word processor in generic ASCII format. Regards-- Larry Miller Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.conacyt.mx lmiller@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 11:56:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04827; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:56:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28747; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:45:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28741; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:45:42 -0700 Received: from admin.kcc.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11566; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:45:40 -0700 Received: from AD99267.kcc.edu by admin.kcc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36114; Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:47:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Richardson To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Hazeltine 1500 terminal emulation. X-Sender: ad99267@admin.kcc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello everyone, I have not found any information concerning this, however please excuse me if I have overlooked it. My question is does Unix Pine support Hazeltine 1500 emulation? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Greg * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * | Greg Richardson | | | Kentucky Christian College ---|--- | | Grayson, KY 41143 | | | USA | | | (606) 474-3000 | | * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 12:06:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05374; Wed, 5 Oct 94 12:06:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23006; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:53:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22991; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:53:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsb8K-00000hC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Unaligned access pid=26005 va=14008a174 pc=1200752f4 ra=1200752e8 type=stq Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:23:53 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Fixed in Pine 3.91... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Brad wrote: > Date: Wed, 5 OCT 1994 16:42:00 +0100 (BST) > From: Brad > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Unaligned access pid=26005 va=14008a174 pc=1200752f4 ra=1200752e8 type=stq > > This is the message I get when using Pine in a DECterm which is sized > at something other than the default 24 x 80: > > Unaligned access pid=26005 va=14008a174 pc=1200752f4 > ra=1200752e8 type=stq > > When I go into an index (and this is the only time it occurs), with > the setup different to the default (such as now, it is 48 x 132), this is > what I get, and the longer the index, the more I get; sometimes pages of > these messages (arranged rather messily, not one per line or anything), if I > enter a large index. Does anyone have any idea what may be causing this? > Thanks. > > --Simon. > > (Well, at least ^_ works in a DECterm!) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 12:11:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05557; Wed, 5 Oct 94 12:11:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28969; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:53:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28961; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:53:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsb8j-00000iC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Possible remote .sig and addressbook? Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:25:44 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct4.124625.22240@dmp.csiro.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct4.124625.22240@dmp.csiro.au> Remote sig and addressbook access is planned, but I can't say for sure when... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Lachlan Cranswick wrote: > Date: Tue, 4 OCT 1994 12:46:25 GMT > From: Lachlan Cranswick > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Possible remote .sig and addressbook? > > > Hi All, > > In the help given with Pine for Windows, it mentions > that presently a local signature file and local > addressbook has to be used. We would like to get > pine for Windows going with IMAP such that it > doesn't matter which PC or terminal a users runs > pine from. > > However, with the requirement for a local sig file > and local addressbook, this is harder to achieve. > > Two main queries :- > > Is (and when) it planned that a future version of > pine (and IMAP?) will be able to use remote > addressbooks and signature files. > > How do people use the IMAP pine from different > PCs and terminals semi transparently. (i.e., > do users download a central addressbook file and > sig file?). > > Ideas and comments appreciated. > > Lachlan. > > > -- > Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU > Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 > PO Box 124, Port Melbourne \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 > 3207 AUSTRALIA v > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 13:22:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08969; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:22:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01231; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:15:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01219; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:15:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qscQM-00000aC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 12:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. In-Reply-To: <36plk3$rpn@orme1.mt.luth.se> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <36plk3$rpn@orme1.mt.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:23 GMT Sven et al, On 3 Oct 1994, Sven-Ove Westberg wrote: > Why can not pine read the MH folders? Pine can (I and others use the MH-folder format with Pine for some time now). > I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. Some excerpts from my .pinerc: # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path=#mh/inbox (Note that you can also use inbox-path=#MHINBOX) # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections="My Mail" #mh/[] > Pine say that the folder is empty but i have messages stored in MH > format in them (eg a separate file for each message). There is this small bug (which will be fixed in 3.91) in the MH-driver that might affect you. If you have your MH-folders somewhere else then in ~/Mail try moving the Path: setting in ~/.mh_profile to the first line in the file. Regards, Xander From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 13:43:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09627; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:43:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25527; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:37:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25521; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:37:26 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28013; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:37:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Ben Marcotte Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Turn off pruning? (Fearing the end of each month) In-Reply-To: <36so5j$oec@pith.uoregon.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Look for an entry in your .pinerc that looks something like this: last-time-prune-questioned=94.10 Then edit the date to be sometime far in the future... -teg On 4 Oct 1994, Ben Marcotte wrote: > Is there a way to turn off the "feature" of monthly pruning- the process of > pine asking you at the begining of each month: > > > Disk space is limited. Delete "sent-mail-MMM-YYYY" ? > > I have looked through pine.conf, .pinerc, man pine and the help in Setup > for any configuration or feature switch that might apply but I can find > nothing. What am I missing? I find this to be the most agrivating part > of an otherwise friendly program. > > Ben Marcotte > > ============================================================================== > Ben Marcotte ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (503) 346-4592 > ============================================================================== > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 13:52:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10075; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:52:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01709; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:40:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01703; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:39:59 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28050; Wed, 5 Oct 94 13:39:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" Cc: Ah! My Goddess , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: === How to set nntp in .pinerc in order to read news? === In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI: For the normal nntp situation, you can actually omit setting the news-collections variable explicity. If you just set "nntp-server" then Pine will infer the typical news-collections entry. -teg On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Kenny Wickstrom (x2349) wrote: > On 5 Oct 1994, Ah! My Goddess wrote: > > > Hi netters, > > Just wondering how to set up nntp server in the .pinerc in order to read and > > post news through the pine? > > Any help is being appreciated. > > Hi, > > You need to set these two lines in your .pinerc (either through editing > or through the configuration screen. (One note: I think you only supply > *{ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com/nntp}[] on the news-collection line and pine > fills in the subscribed groups.) Also, to state the obvious, you must > change ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com to whatever you nntp server is. > > nntp-server = ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com > news-collections = Subscribed-Groups *{ttd1.ttd.teradyne.com/nntp}[] > > Hope this helps, > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |/ | | > |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) > ======== > // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. > // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 > // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 > // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) > Telecommunications Division // > _// > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 16:02:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16000; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:02:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28562; Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:51:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28555; Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:51:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsetP-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Procmail and Pine3.90 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 23:18:06 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm running procmail but I'm getting lots of lock file errors. > Can anyone help? Questions relating to procmail are usually answered a lot faster if you direct them to the list You were probably trying to create lockfiles in a spool directory lacking the privilege to do so. You should deliver to your home directory. Use the inbox-path variable to teach Pine about it. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 16:23:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16666; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:23:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29186; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:15:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29180; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:15:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsfDa-00000AC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: does mbox driver work in 3.90 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:33:18 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36uqva$lb7@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36uqva$lb7@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Mail is only pulled into ~/mbox if the file already exists, i.e. you need to "touch ~/mbox" or some similar... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 5 Oct 1994, Jeff Scarborough wrote: > Date: 5 OCT 1994 18:23:38 GMT > From: Jeff Scarborough > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: does mbox driver work in 3.90 > > > According to the faq you can force all new mail to be pulled into ~/mbox > by linking in the "mbox" driver when you build pine. I executed the > following: > > ./build EXTRADRIVERS=mbox a32 > > It seems to have added the mboxdriver to linkage.[ch] and it built fine, > but it seems to have had no effect. Mail does not get pulled into ~/mbox > ever. Am I missing a step? Does it even work? > > -- > Jeff Scarborough Jeff.Scarborough@Colorado.EDU > University of Colorado Computing & Network Services > Campus Box 455 Boulder, Colorado 80309-0455 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 16:23:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16664; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:23:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05143; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:15:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05137; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:15:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsfBQ-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: ...filters [FAQ] Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 23:34:40 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcos Rubinstein wrote on Aug 29: > Yes, as an end user of pine, with limmited knowledge of Unix, I will > love ONE program that would let me do all of my mail houskeeping. > But, alas, I can understand the point raised by those who consider > pine an inapropiate (and inefective) way to filter mail. What we > need is somebody that will take procmail and make it as user > friendly as pine is... Procmail is an efficient mail thrower with its own concise language and very complex capabilities. You don't realize what a magnitude of tasks its users have been delegating to procmail. For the simplest applications like sorting out list mails the syntax is very easy and documented in the manual. But even here you will have to fine-tune the regular expressions to fit your needs. Also the .forward/.maildelivery setup is quite different from site to site. Therefore I would say, a comprehensive (y/n)?-frontend would require artificial intelligence. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 16:33:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17010; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:33:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05296; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:21:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05290; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:21:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsfJz-00000BC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 16:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sadistic@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Ah! My Goddess) Subject: Hey, how to find out the local nntp server? Date: 5 Oct 1994 22:31:40 GMT Message-Id: <36v9gc$43t@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Hey how to find out where is the local nntp server for pine? Ant help will be appreciated. ano hohoemi wo wasurenaide Don't forget that smile! -------------------------- ------------------------ ano hohoemi wo wasurenaide Don't forget that smile! "Forget your worries and ... gimme your smile" ... kokoro no fuyu ni sayonarashite Say goodbye to the winter of your heart hashiridasoo atarashiashita he Let's start running to a new tomorrow 25 ji suna no ue ni We stopped at 1:00 am kuruma wo tomete on the beach... katariakashita ano natsu We talked all night that summer... nurui KOORA shikanakute mo Even though we had only warm cola, yume dake de tanoshikatta I enjoyed that dream. omoidashite... Please remember... tsumazuita toki niha So whenever you stumble, den'wa wo shite ne give me a call, okay? * "Open you heart" Open your heart, kaze wo kan'jite feel the wind akirame wo te ni shinaide Don't take up despair! toukai ga kureta POOKAA "face" Throw the poker face the city has given umi ni suteteshimaou you into the sea. ano hohoemi wo wasurenaide Don't forget that smile! itsumo kagayaitetai I want us to always be shining kokoro no fuyu ni sayonarashite Say goodbye to the winter of your heart hashiridasoo atarashiashita he Let's start running to a new tomorrow RENGA iro no sora We looked up at an angle and saw wo nanamenimiagete a brick-red sky. kuchibue fuita "my home town" We went whistling through my home town. yaritai koto hoshiimono mo There are many things that I want, and kakaekirenaihodode things I want to do, that can't be held on setsunasa no HAADORU koerareta ne to. You have overcome Depression's hurdles ima mo dekiru yo before. You can do it now. "Open your heart" hitamukina Open your heart anata no hitomi (me) ga sukidatta I loved your intense pupils (eyes) kodoku na jikan dakishimete Embrace me in your hour of loneliness. hito ha otona ni naru kara Just because people become adults... ano hohoemi wo wasurenaide Don't forget that smile! itsumo kagayaitetai I want us to always be shining mou nanimo mayoukoto naku You shouldn't have any doubts hashiridasoo atarashiashita he Let's start running to a new tomorrow "You've got to open your heart" ... "When ever you feel blue" ... "Forget your worries and ... gimme your smile" ... kokoro no fuyu ni sayanarashite Say goodby to the winter of your heart hashiridasoo atarashiashita he Let's start running to a new tomorrow * Repeat From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 17:43:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19823; Wed, 5 Oct 94 17:43:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01159; Wed, 5 Oct 94 17:36:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01153; Wed, 5 Oct 94 17:36:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsgUd-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 17:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Sendmail variants Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 00:59:26 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36n38q$rl1@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabriel Millerd wrote on October 2: > This will work GREAT with pine, since pine allows you to specify > your sendmail program in the $HOME/.pinerc file. I am afraid you confused this with Mail's ~/.mailrc. As far as I know neither Pine nor Elm allow by default every user to customize the sendmail program to use. Often it is desirable for Unix virtuosos to plug in their own sendmail wrapper that does some additional postprocessing on the composed message before sending it out. For Pine (and similarly for Elm) this can be achieved by compiling in "${SENDMAIL=/usr/lib/sendmail}" instead of /usr/lib/sendmail. Now, if I setenv SENDMAIL mysendmail and have such a script in my path it will be used. This is exploiting a feature of sh's. Such a script can do all sorts of fancy stuff. Gabriel Millerd: The object of the program is to shuffle my signature > files around as frequently as possible. Nick Sushkin: In pine 3.90, is it possible to disable content encoding > of 8-bit characters? Paulo Magalhaes: I would like to run a script everytime that pine > sends a message. Using default-fcc= seemed > like a good idea, but I don't seem to be able to do this... Here is a sample script to do all of this #!/usr/local/bin/procmail -m # No QP-encoding for certain recipients :2 fbw ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ^To:.*(cs.tu|zib|fu|hu)-berlin.de | mmencode -undo -quoted-printable :a fhw | formail -I 'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit' # Append one of my ten signatures :0 fbw | gawk 'BEGIN { ARGV[2] = "sig" systime() % 10 } /^/' - sig # Send out the mail :0c ! -oi -t # And file a copy :B: pine pine-mail DEFAULT=sent From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 18:19:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21017; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:19:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07697; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:12:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07691; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:12:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsh2c-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 17:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Registered Mail? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 01:41:21 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36qrn1$60b@piaget.moe.ac.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is it possible to send REGISTERED mail in pine or for that matter in > unix? Not really. In S)etup C)onfig you can add Return-Receipt-To to the customized-hdrs and then while composing a message you can enter your name in the ^R)eturn-R: line to request a delivery notification which is about as close as you can get. This return receipt has no legal value and from many sites it will not even be sent to you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 18:30:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21327; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:30:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01944; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:21:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01938; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:21:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qshC6-00000IC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Sendmail variants Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 01:44:29 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36n38q$rl1@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This will work GREAT with pine, since pine allows you to specify > your sendmail program in the $HOME/.pinerc file. I am afraid you confused this with Mail's ~/.mailrc. As far as I know neither Pine nor Elm allow by default every user to customize the sendmail program to use. Often it is desirable for Unix virtuosos to plug in their own sendmail wrapper that does some additional postprocessing on the composed message before sending it out. For Pine (and similarly for Elm) this can be achieved by compiling in "${SENDMAIL=/usr/lib/sendmail}" instead of /usr/lib/sendmail. Now, if I setenv SENDMAIL mysendmail and have such a script in my path it will be used. This is exploiting a feature of sh's. Such a script can do all sorts of fancy stuff. Gabriel Millerd: The object of the program is to shuffle my signature > files around as frequently as possible. Nick Sushkin: In pine 3.90, is it possible to disable content encoding > of 8-bit characters? Paulo Magalhaes: I would like to run a script everytime that pine > sends a message. Using default-fcc= seemed > like a good idea, but I don't seem to be able to do this... Here is a sample script to do all of this #!/usr/local/bin/procmail -m # No QP-encoding for certain recipients :2 fbw ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ^To:.*(cs.tu|zib|fu|hu)-berlin.de | mmencode -undo -quoted-printable :a fhw | formail -I 'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit' # Append one of my ten signatures :0 fbw | gawk 'BEGIN { ARGV[2] = "sig" systime() % 10 } /^/' - sig # Send out the mail :0c ! "$@" # And file a copy :B: pine pine-mail DEFAULT=sent From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 18:41:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21610; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:41:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07990; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:31:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07983; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:31:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qshMf-00000JC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nancym@chinook.halcyon.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> Control: cancel <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> Date: 5 Oct 1994 23:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <36vcvg$11v@news.halcyon.com> cancel <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 18:50:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21797; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:50:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02248; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:42:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02242; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:42:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qshZf-00000AC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 18:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (Ben Marcotte) Subject: Re: Turn off pruning? (Fearing the end of each month) Date: 6 Oct 1994 01:12:12 GMT Message-Id: <36vitc$l8d@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <36so5j$oec@pith.uoregon.edu> Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Look for an entry in your .pinerc that looks something like this: : last-time-prune-questioned=94.10 : Then edit the date to be sometime far in the future... : -teg : On 4 Oct 1994, Ben Marcotte wrote: : > Is there a way to turn off the "feature" of monthly pruning- the process of : > pine asking you at the begining of each month: : > : > : > Disk space is limited. Delete "sent-mail-MMM-YYYY" ? : > : > I have looked through pine.conf, .pinerc, man pine and the help in Setup : > for any configuration or feature switch that might apply but I can find : > nothing. What am I missing? I find this to be the most agrivating part : > of an otherwise friendly program. : > : > Ben Marcotte While that would probably work for one user, I was looking for a config flag to put in the system /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, if possible. I don't want any of our users to have to put up with the prune prompting. Thanks, Ben Marcotte ============================================================================== Ben Marcotte ben@chinook.uoregon.edu (503) 346-4592 ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 19:39:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23017; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:39:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09016; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:32:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09010; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:32:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsiKk-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 00:59:53 GMT Message-Id: <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> References: <36s9o1$153@trance.helix.net> <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> Since Pine 3.90 is the first widely used Mailer-and-Newsreader-in-one, it makes sense that it's dealing with header issues that haven't been an issue before. Ideally when a message is received in mail you would be able to tell whether it was mailed only or both posted and mailed. That way when you reply you would know whether it is appropriate to reply by posting as well as mailing. (Proper netiquette is to not post private mail.) Currently I don't think there's any uniform way to determine this from the headers (please let me know if there is). It would be nice if there were standard headers for both mail and news messages which told: [1] where the message was mailed (except Bcc) [2] where the message was posted [3] where the message originated, i.e., if it's a reply or forwarded message where the message that is being replied to or forwarded was (newsgroup(s), mailing list(s), non-mailing-list mail) To:_ and Cc:_ mean [1] most of the time, but some posted messages might have these headers and not actually have been mailed to the folks on the To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines. This would happen with a newsreader that doesn't honor To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines and doesn't strip them out. For posted messages Newsgroups:_ satisfies [2]. For mailed messages Newsgroups:_ sometimes means [2] only, sometimes means [3] only, and sometimes means [2] and [3]. For the future it might be a good to have standard headers for both mail and news for [2] and [3]. What do people think? Of course anything adopted would have to be backward compatible with existing RFCs. Looking forward to a discussion, Nancy (not affiliated with the pine team; ex newsreader designer) In comp.mail.pine rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >In David L Miller writes: > >>It seems from discussions with other users that the problem is that some >>(many?) newsreaders supply too much information when replying via mail. That >>is, they include a Newsgroups: header even though the message was not posted >>to the newsgroup! > >This is not "too much information." The newsgroups header on email >is informative, and what else is the purpose of information but to >be informative. > >> Pine sees the Newsgroups: header and assumes that the >>message was posted as well as mailed. > >Then Pine is stupid for making such an assumption. > >> AFAIK, there is nothing that Pine can >>do to tell that the Newsgroups: header is a lie... > >The "Newsgroups:" header is not a lie. There is nothing in RFC822 which >forbids a "Newsgroups:" header in email. The header informs the email >recipient as to the origin of the discussion. -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 19:55:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23305; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:55:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03258; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:47:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03252; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:47:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsiZR-00000BC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: r02kar@einstein.desy.de (Karsten Kuenne) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and MH folders. Date: 05 Oct 1994 20:04:25 GMT Message-Id: References: <36plk3$rpn@orme1.mt.luth.se> In-Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl's message of Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:26:23 GMT >>>>> "Xander" == Xander Jansen writes: Xander> Sven et al, On 3 Oct 1994, Sven-Ove Westberg wrote: >> Why can not pine read the MH folders? Xander> Pine can (I and others use the MH-folder format with Pine for Xander> some time now). >> I have set the #mh infront of the folder in .pinerc. Xander> Some excerpts from my .pinerc: Xander> # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, Xander> e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the Xander> local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). Xander> inbox-path=#mh/inbox Xander> (Note that you can also use inbox-path=#MHINBOX) Xander> # List of directories where saved-message folders may Xander> be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main Xander> {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label Xander> {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] Xander> folder-collections="My Mail" #mh/[] >> Pine say that the folder is empty but i have messages stored in MH >> format in them (eg a separate file for each message). Xander> There is this small bug (which will be fixed in 3.91) in the Xander> MH-driver that might affect you. If you have your MH-folders Xander> somewhere else then in ~/Mail try moving the Path: setting in Xander> ~/.mh_profile to the first line in the file. And also take care that there is only ONE space between "Path:" and the value. Otherwise the MH driver won't accept the setting. (Another small bug in the MH driver parsing routine for .mh_profile) Karsten. -- //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Karsten Kuenne, DESY (-R2-), Notkestr. 85, 22607 Hamburg, Germany phone: +49-40-8998-3315 fax: +49-40-8998-4429 e-mail: , From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 20:26:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23963; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:26:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09627; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:19:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09621; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:19:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsj3n-00000IC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 19:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 5 Oct 1994 21:48:41 -0500 Message-Id: <36voi9$rmq@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> In article <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >Since Pine 3.90 is the first widely used Mailer-and-Newsreader-in-one, >it makes sense that it's dealing with header issues that haven't been >an issue before. The particular issue should not be an issue now. It is because of a design flaw in pine. Let's not try to reinvent the world just to avoid admitting that this is a design flaw. >Ideally when a message is received in mail you would be able to tell >whether it was mailed only or both posted and mailed. If you received the message in mail, then it was mailed. If you want to know whether the originator of the message also posted it in a public forum somewhere -- then you are asking for the ability to read minds of people you have never met. That is impossible. > That way when >you reply you would know whether it is appropriate to reply by posting >as well as mailing. (Proper netiquette is to not post private mail.) If you received the message by mail, and there is no indication that it was also posted, proper netiquette is to assume that it was mail. You do not need any special headers for that. >Currently I don't think there's any uniform way to determine this from >the headers (please let me know if there is). One can make intelligent guesses. Cnews and INN have distinctive message IDs which strongly suggest that the message originated in news. But it would be unwise to count on this. >It would be nice if there were standard headers for both mail and news >messages which told: >[1] where the message was mailed (except Bcc) Why not consider usenet posting as equivalent to "Bcc: everybody". That way you can treat it as mail, and your ignorance that it was posted completely conforms to your desired ignorance as to the content of the Bcc: addresses. >[3] where the message originated, i.e., if it's a reply or forwarded > message where the message that is being replied to or forwarded > was (newsgroup(s), mailing list(s), non-mailing-list mail) Usually the "Received:" header in mail and the "Path:" header in usenet news can give you this information. >To:_ and Cc:_ mean [1] most of the time, but some posted messages >might have these headers and not actually have been mailed to the >folks on the To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines. This would happen with a >newsreader that doesn't honor To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines and doesn't strip >them out. That happens. It can also happen with email. It is quite easy to create an email message with "To:" and "Cc:" headers which do not correspond to actual recipients. I suppose this is no worse than a person sending a paper letter addressed to his lawyer with a "Cc:" to another person, but the letter is only sent to the other person and not to the lawyer. >For posted messages Newsgroups:_ satisfies [2]. For mailed messages >Newsgroups:_ sometimes means [2] only, sometimes means [3] only, >and sometimes means [2] and [3]. "Newsgroups:" has a defined meaning for usenet, but has no defined meaning for email. As a result, people are allowed to use it for whatever they like. I prefer to retain the "Newsgroups:" header in email replies to postings, and sometimes even in email replies to email that has a "Newsgroups:" headers, and presumably originated on usenet. >For the future it might be a good to have standard headers for both >mail and news for [2] and [3]. What do people think? Of course anything >adopted would have to be backward compatible with existing RFCs. Perhaps. But you will probably never get it adopted. There are too many existing products which do not honor these to-be-invented headers, and most people are satisfied with things the way they are. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 20:38:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24205; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:38:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03845; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:32:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03839; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:32:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsjEs-00000JC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stevezim@crl.com (Steve Zimmerman) Subject: Re: === How to set nntp in .pinerc in order to read news? === Date: 5 Oct 1994 19:58:38 -0700 Message-Id: <36vp4u$j9v@crl7.crl.com> References: <36tn9k$fi8@spool.cs.wisc.edu> "Handles" are for CB & Ham radio. How about supplying a name along with the kana? Steve Zimmerman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 20:45:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24315; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:45:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09912; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:36:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09906; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:36:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsjN5-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:04:24 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> On 4 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > The "Newsgroups:" header is not a lie. There is nothing in RFC822 which > forbids a "Newsgroups:" header in email. The header informs the email > recipient as to the origin of the discussion. Strictly speaking, headers which are not specified defined by RFC822 are either a ``extension-field'' or ``user-defined-field''. There are two differences between these two: 1) extension-field is one that is officially registered, and never begins with X-. 2) user-defined-field is any name that is not an RFC822 field or an extension-field, and may begin with X-. Any user-defined-field which does not begin with X- may be preempted by an extension-field definition at any time. By definition, a user-defined-field is private and may be interpreted by each implementation as it wishes. There is no definition of an extension-field of Newsgroups: in the RFC822 context. It is defined as a *news* field, but that is a separate context from RFC822 and in fact an entirely different protocol specification. Consequently, in the RFC822 context it is a user-defined-field. An RFC822 implementation can do whatever it pleases with any user-defined-field! Pine treats the RFC822 context user-defined-field of Newsgroups: as being identical to the news context field of Newsgroups:. Your claim is that the interpretation of Newsgroups: is different in mail than it is in news. There is nothing in the protocol specifications to support your position or, for that matter, Pine's position; it is up to each implementation. This does not mean that the *suggestion* to treat Newsgroups: differently when reading mail than when reading news is rejected. I am not aware of any decision being made either way. However, whether it is accepted or rejected will be on its own merits, and not by virtue of a claim that the specifications say something that they don't. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 20:54:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24485; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:54:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04041; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:47:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04035; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:47:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsjVv-00000MC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: does mbox driver work in 3.90 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:08:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36uqva$lb7@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> There is a bug in the mbox driver of 3.90 that *empty* ~/mbox files are ignored. As a workaround, put a single message into it and it will start working. The fix is in the latest IMAP toolkit on ftp.cac.washington.edu, file mail/imap.tar.Z, and will also be in Pine 3.91 which is coming soon!!!! -- Mark -- On 5 Oct 1994, Jeff Scarborough wrote: > > > According to the faq you can force all new mail to be pulled into ~/mbox > by linking in the "mbox" driver when you build pine. I executed the > following: > > ./build EXTRADRIVERS=mbox a32 > > It seems to have added the mboxdriver to linkage.[ch] and it built fine, > but it seems to have had no effect. Mail does not get pulled into ~/mbox > ever. Am I missing a step? Does it even work? > > -- > Jeff Scarborough Jeff.Scarborough@Colorado.EDU > University of Colorado Computing & Network Services > Campus Box 455 Boulder, Colorado 80309-0455 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 21:18:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25053; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:18:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10334; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:07:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10318; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:06:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsjoL-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 20:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: MIME Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:11:36 -0400 Message-Id: References: <36sdf3$kgk@linda.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: Roman Czyborra writes: > You need to pipe to munpack -t to decode text attachments also. > I think the -t option was introduced in mpack-1.3. Starting with version 1.4, mpack can detect and decode Pine attachments without being given the -t switch. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 21:35:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25449; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:35:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04633; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:28:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04627; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:28:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsk9H-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@dale.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: Custom Headers Date: 6 Oct 1994 00:20:15 GMT Message-Id: <36vfrv$9vs@mark.ucdavis.edu> For a while now, I have been trying to define custom headers in PINE 3.90 to no avail. Can anyone please help me? The help built into pine is no help. TIA. -- _________________________________________ Hemang Patel hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 22:04:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25978; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:04:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10996; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:58:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10990; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:58:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qskc8-000008C; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scarboro@quit.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Scarborough) Subject: does mbox driver work in 3.90 Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:23:38 GMT Message-Id: <36uqva$lb7@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> According to the faq you can force all new mail to be pulled into ~/mbox by linking in the "mbox" driver when you build pine. I executed the following: ./build EXTRADRIVERS=mbox a32 It seems to have added the mboxdriver to linkage.[ch] and it built fine, but it seems to have had no effect. Mail does not get pulled into ~/mbox ever. Am I missing a step? Does it even work? -- Jeff Scarborough Jeff.Scarborough@Colorado.EDU University of Colorado Computing & Network Services Campus Box 455 Boulder, Colorado 80309-0455 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 22:07:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26045; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:07:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05131; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:02:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05125; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:02:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qske1-00000AC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 21:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: New user requires help. Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:52:10 GMT Message-Id: <36up4a$kha@news.halcyon.com> References: keithc@gx2.uk.mdis.com (Keith Cordon) writes: >Can someone please email me with information on how to stop the creation >of enourmous .pine-debug files everytime I use pine. Start pine with the -d0 flag which means turn debugging off. I have the following alias in my ~/.cshrc file so it automatically happens each time I type pine. alias pine "\pine -d0" Hope this helps, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 5 22:54:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26928; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:54:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11606; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:47:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11600; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:47:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qslOn-00000IC; Wed, 5 Oct 94 22:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 6 Oct 1994 00:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >On 4 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: >> The "Newsgroups:" header is not a lie. There is nothing in RFC822 which >> forbids a "Newsgroups:" header in email. The header informs the email >> recipient as to the origin of the discussion. >Strictly speaking, headers which are not specified defined by RFC822 are >either a ``extension-field'' or ``user-defined-field''. There are two >differences between these two: > 1) extension-field is one that is officially registered, and never begins > with X-. > 2) user-defined-field is any name that is not an RFC822 field or an > extension-field, and may begin with X-. Any user-defined-field which > does not begin with X- may be preempted by an extension-field > definition at any time. By definition, a user-defined-field is > private and may be interpreted by each implementation as it wishes. Agreed. >There is no definition of an extension-field of Newsgroups: in the RFC822 >context. It is defined as a *news* field, but that is a separate context >from RFC822 and in fact an entirely different protocol specification. >Consequently, in the RFC822 context it is a user-defined-field. An RFC822 >implementation can do whatever it pleases with any user-defined-field! >Pine treats the RFC822 context user-defined-field of Newsgroups: as being >identical to the news context field of Newsgroups:. No, that is not correct. The RFC1036 (news context) only supplies an interpretation of "Newsgroups:" when it appears in a news article. RFC1036 does not provide any interpretation of "Newsgroups:" when it appears in an email message. If Pine assigns an interpretation to "Newsgroups:" in an email message, that is Pine's own invention, and it is not in any way taking the RFC1036 interpretation. Now perhaps you can say that Pine treats "Newsgroups:" in mail as analogous to its use in usenet, but you cannot say that it treats it identically. > Your claim is that >the interpretation of Newsgroups: is different in mail than it is in news. Yes, of course the interpretation is different. There is an interpretation in news, and there is no interpretation in mail. If you don't think that is different, then your way of thinking is quite strange. >There is nothing in the protocol specifications to support your position >or, for that matter, Pine's position; it is up to each implementation. I agree that the protocol does not specify. That is why it was wrong of a previous author to say that the Newsgroups: line in mail was a lie. >This does not mean that the *suggestion* to treat Newsgroups: differently >when reading mail than when reading news is rejected. I am not aware of If the author's of Pine want to treat "Newsgroups:" the way they do - that is their choice. I have no particular position for or against this. I object to them labelling the appearance of "Newsgroups:" in mail as a lie. Generally speaking, when there is no rule, one goes by the common practice, and the common practice for some time has been for email responses to news to include the "Newsgroups:" header. Thus the header has a meaning by an analogue of common law. If the Pine author's wish to change this, they should ideally go the RFC route to do so. I think such an attempt would fail, but they have the right to try. Right now the Pine authors are in the position of the soldier marching out of step with the rest of the brigade, but declaring that he is in step and everybody else is out of step. If the Pine authors can persuade the rest of the world to fall in step with them -- good luck to them. But let's not distort the picture. They made an unwise design decision which has embarrassed several users, and they should not try to shift the blame. Personally, I don't care very much. I install Pine because some of my users ask for it. Except for testing the installation, I do not use Pine. I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk software and poor design that I have encountered. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 01:07:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29716; Thu, 6 Oct 94 01:07:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07395; Thu, 6 Oct 94 01:02:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07389; Thu, 6 Oct 94 01:02:30 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <15499-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 08:48:38 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA20480; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:02:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:02:20 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: does mbox driver work in 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And if you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty by touching the source code you can even make the mbox driver create the "mbox" file if it doesn't already exist :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 1904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 1904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Mail is only pulled into ~/mbox if the file already exists, i.e. you need to > "touch ~/mbox" or some similar... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On 5 Oct 1994, Jeff Scarborough wrote: > > > Date: 5 OCT 1994 18:23:38 GMT > > From: Jeff Scarborough > > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > > Subject: does mbox driver work in 3.90 > > > > > > According to the faq you can force all new mail to be pulled into ~/mbox > > by linking in the "mbox" driver when you build pine. I executed the > > following: > > > > ./build EXTRADRIVERS=mbox a32 > > > > It seems to have added the mboxdriver to linkage.[ch] and it built fine, > > but it seems to have had no effect. Mail does not get pulled into ~/mbox > > ever. Am I missing a step? Does it even work? > > > > -- > > Jeff Scarborough Jeff.Scarborough@Colorado.EDU > > University of Colorado Computing & Network Services > > Campus Box 455 Boulder, Colorado 80309-0455 > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 02:28:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01646; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:28:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14314; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:20:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from oxmail2.ox.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14308; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:20:27 -0700 Received: from vax.ox.ac.uk by oxmail2.ox.ac.uk. with SMTP (PP) id <07940-0@oxmail2.ox.ac.uk.>; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:17:07 +0100 Received: by vax.ox.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) id 3; Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:19:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:19:26 +0100 From: "Dave Hastings, OUCS" To: PORTIA@INNOSOFT.COM Cc: PINE-INFO@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU Message-Id: <0098588C.34CB0A49.3@vax.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 on VAX/VMS > On Wed, 5 Oct 1994 daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I > > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form > > > > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters > > > > Comments anyone? > > well, this happens on the DEC C compiler too. You have two choices, > 1. change the identifier to be shorter everywhere > 2. use a #define to define it in os-vms.h > > It would be nice if they don't show up in the source at all, this is just > one of many issues when porting Pine to VMS. > > /portia portia@innosoft.com > Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax > 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 > Thanks for your reply. I would just like to make a couple of point: 1. This 'feature' was not in the beta-test versions of VMS Pine 2. I thought that the whole point of porting software is to make it work in the target environment. A 'port' which won't compile is not much use to anyone. I suppose I'll have to go through the whole code and fix these long identifier names. And then when 3.91 is released I'll have to do it again. Or maybe I'll just stick with the 3.89 beta version. At least it works. Dave -- David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time VAX Systems Programmer | chitchatting with machines for Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" - JM daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 02:36:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01784; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:36:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08526; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:27:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08520; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:27:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsomS-00000JC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 02:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kjetil@troll.eee.strath.ac.uk (Kjetil Rossavik) Subject: From: not shown for local mail Date: 06 Oct 1994 09:41:06 GMT Message-Id: Hi, I have just started using Pine. When I receive mail from local users, Pine shows the To: address instead of the From: address in the index. For external mail it works correctly. Is there some configuration variable which would remedy this? Regards, Kjetil. -- Kjetil Rossavik Tel. +44-41-552 4400 Signal Processing Division ext. 2686 Dept. of Electronic and Electrical Eng. Fax +44-41-552 2487 University of Strathclyde Glasgow G1 1XQ -- Kjetil Rossavik Tel. +44-41-552 4400 Signal Processing Division ext. 2686 Dept. of Electronic and Electrical Eng. Fax +44-41-552 2487 University of Strathclyde Glasgow G1 1XQ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 03:30:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02922; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:30:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09163; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:23:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09157; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:23:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsphM-00000ZC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: mailcap file Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 23:04:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Can someone please send be an example mailcap file? The image viewer I > want to use is 'xv'. Pine's mailcap support isn't up to its task yet. But for viewing images you don't need a mailcap. Your best bet is to enter xv as the image-viewer on the last page of Pine's S)etup C)onfig. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 03:31:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03106; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:31:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15028; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:22:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15022; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:22:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsphH-00000YC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 03:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Question on Alternate Editor Specification Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 22:59:55 +0100 Message-Id: References: <34q12e$48o@universe.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd like to specify emacs (without X) as my alternate editor. I've > tried setting my default editor as: unset DISPLAY; emacs You forgot to export the unset DISPLAY. Try emacs -nw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 07:54:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09180; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:54:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18773; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:41:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18767; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:41:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qstX2-00001IC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: czyborra@cs.tu-berlin.de (Roman Czyborra) Subject: Re: unintelligible letter from russia (fwd) Message-Id: Date: 5 Oct 94 19:02:19 GMT References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: > =F5=D7=C1=D6=C1=C5=CD=D9=CA =F7=C9=CB=D4=CF=D2 =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=C5=D7= =C9=DE, This is a personal letter to Viktor Alekseyevich, it looks like it was sent to the wrong address. It is in the KOI8-R charset documented in RFC 1489, the original header should have said so, you did not share it with us. Your posting was mislabeled as US-ASCII, I guess that's due to an imperfection of Pine's.=20 We ought to be thankful to Pine for encoding the text so that it arrived without any damage.=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 08:31:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10734; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:31:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13149; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:59:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13143; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:59:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qstu5-00000mC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 07:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: syb3@aber.ac.uk (Brad) Subject: Re: Spool mail in BSDI Message-Id: Date: 5 Oct 94 19:07:09 GMT References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 3 Oct 1994, Anto Daryanto wrote: > I have compiled Pine 3.90 for BSDI v1.1. With default configuration pine > can not see user mail spool. The mail spool directory is in /usr/var/mail. > So I've made a change in pine/pine-use.c to reflect the machine user mail > spool directory. But still, pine can't see spool directory. Couldn't you just set the inbox in .pine-conf? I think you could put: inbox-path=/usr/var/mail/$USER in there, and then Pine should be able to see a user's inbox. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 08:40:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11235; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:40:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19630; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:29:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19624; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:29:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsuOf-00000JC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmacrae@hocomms.demon.co.uk (David MacRae) Subject: Wanted: Windows/PC version of Pine binary Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:36:05 +0000 Message-Id: <53541345wnr@hocomms.demon.co.uk> Could someone point me at an ftp site that would have the Windows and/or PC version of Pine. I don't have access to a compiler on my PC. I require this to work with FTP Software PC/TCP Version 3. Regards -- Dave MacRae |The views expressed here are mine and Edinburgh |mine alone and do not reflect the views Scotland |of my employers in any way. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 08:56:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12006; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:56:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14300; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:50:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14294; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:50:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsuk1-000012C; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 15:06:08 GMT Message-Id: <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> In article <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: >To:_ and Cc:_ mean [1] most of the time, but some posted messages >might have these headers and not actually have been mailed to the >folks on the To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines. This would happen with a >newsreader that doesn't honor To:_ and/or Cc:_ lines and doesn't strip >them out. Proper newsreader [sic] behaviour is to ignore To: and CC: headers. They are undefined and thus should be ignored. >For mailed messages >Newsgroups:_ sometimes means [2] only, sometimes means [3] only, >and sometimes means [2] and [3]. Proper mailer behaviour is to ignore Newsgroups: headers. The fact that brain damaged newsreaders leave them in when composing mailed replies is not reason to change the current definitions of mail. >For the future it might be a good to have standard headers for both >mail and news for [2] and [3]. What do people think? Of course anything >adopted would have to be backward compatible with existing RFCs. The proper course of action is to modify the newsreader software to include a "post and mail" command. The mailed copies get mail headers, the posted ones get news headers. In no case should a user wind up surprised that his mail got posted by some intermediate site just because there was an undefined Newsgroups: header in it, nor should the opposite surprise exist (a copy mailed when a posted article has an undefined To: header in it.) (In case you want to claim that that would never happen, I can tell you of at least one case where in-transit mail was processed by a mailer which noticed a user name of the form usenet.group.name, and, ignoring the small detail that it was not the host to whom the mail was addressed, went ahead and posted the mail. In most cases, this is the intended result, but in my case it was not. This intermediate mailer had been in operation for a long time before I caught it doing this; how many others are there that haven't been?) This rules out suddenly defining the To: header in news, or the Newsgroups: header for mail, to mean "inject this package into the other type of stream". At best, it means the originating newsreader inserting an "X-Also-Mailed-To:" or "X-Also-Posted-To:" header in the generated packages. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 09:18:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13618; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:18:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20368; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:00:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20358; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:00:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsusQ-00000PC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 15:08:56 GMT Message-Id: <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >I install Pine because some of >my users ask for it. Except for testing the installation, I do not >use Pine. I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk >software and poor design that I have encountered. I'm curious why you think this. Could you please post at least 3 features (other than the Newsgroups:_ header in a mail message) which you think were poorly designed and mailers that do each of these 3 features better. Thanks, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 09:41:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14778; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:41:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15541; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:35:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15533; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:35:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsvSu-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "James M. Cameron" Subject: Re: Wanted: Windows/PC version of Pine binary Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <53541345wnr@hocomms.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <53541345wnr@hocomms.demon.co.uk> You can obtain the software from the /pine/pcpine directory at ftp.cac.washington.edu. On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, David MacRae wrote: > Could someone point me at an ftp site that would have the Windows > and/or PC version of Pine. I don't have access to a compiler on my > PC. > > I require this to work with FTP Software PC/TCP Version 3. > > Regards > -- > Dave MacRae |The views expressed here are mine and > Edinburgh |mine alone and do not reflect the views > Scotland |of my employers in any way. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 09:56:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15293; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:56:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21623; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:47:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21617; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:47:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsviM-00000XC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 09:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Sharaz Subject: PC-PINE reading DOS Environment variables Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:11:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Does anyone know if PC-PINE will read dos environment variables. I want to set up PINE on our Netware Servers and it would be nive if I could have a default pinerc file that uses Dos ENVs for things like FULLNAME and USERID. Alex RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 10:39:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17042; Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:39:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22533; Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:29:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22525; Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:28:59 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21765; Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:28:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk, Portia Shao Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 on VAX/VMS In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you can give us a list of identifiers exceeding 31 characters (do we really have some of those?) maybe we can shorten them in our source. Thanks. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Portia Shao wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 1994 daveh@vax.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I > > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form > > > > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters > > > > Comments anyone? > > well, this happens on the DEC C compiler too. You have two choices, > 1. change the identifier to be shorter everywhere > 2. use a #define to define it in os-vms.h > > It would be nice if they don't show up in the source at all, this is just > one of many issues when porting Pine to VMS. > > > > > Dave > > -- > > > > David Hastings | "Life's too short to waste time > > VAX Systems Programmer | chitchatting with machines for > > Oxford University Computing Services | no good reason" - JM > > daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk | > > > > > > > /portia portia@innosoft.com > Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax > 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 11:39:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19362; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:39:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18089; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:29:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18083; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:28:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsxFy-00000IC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Custom Headers Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:43:02 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36vfrv$9vs@mark.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36vfrv$9vs@mark.ucdavis.edu> Go to the Setup/Config screen and set the customized-hdrs variable... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 6 Oct 1994, Hemang Patel wrote: > Date: 6 OCT 1994 00:20:15 GMT > From: Hemang Patel > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Custom Headers > > For a while now, I have been trying to define custom headers in PINE 3.90 > to no avail. Can anyone please help me? The help built into pine is no > help. TIA. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Hemang Patel hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 11:55:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20290; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:55:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18707; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:49:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18701; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:49:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsxXf-00000OC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nancym@chinook.halcyon.com (Nancy McGough) Subject: cmsg cancel <36ur0r$lhp@news.halcyon.com> Control: cancel <36ur0r$lhp@news.halcyon.com> Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:54:30 GMT Message-Id: <36usp6$m8t@news.halcyon.com> cancel <36ur0r$lhp@news.halcyon.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 11:56:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20382; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:56:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24302; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:49:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24292; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:49:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsxb8-00000XC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 13:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <371eau$h4l@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> In <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >>I install Pine because some of >>my users ask for it. Except for testing the installation, I do not >>use Pine. I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk >>software and poor design that I have encountered. >I'm curious why you think this. Could you please post at least 3 features >(other than the Newsgroups:_ header in a mail message) which you think were >poorly designed and mailers that do each of these 3 features better. 1: It is a bitch to install. Read the instructions. Select the configuration for your system, using the 'gcc' compiler. Run the build script. Discover that it doesn't use the 'gcc' compiler. Read and understand the build script, so that you can really use 'gcc', by adding a keyword argument CC=gcc on the command line. Discover that it does a half-baked job, using 'gcc' part of the time, and 'cc' part of the time. Use a 'find' to locate all of the 'Makefile's to find what has to be changed to really use gcc. Compile. Have the thing crap out in the middle because a system include file is included twice, the first time with 'const' as itself, and the second time with 'const' redefined as ''. Build it. Discover that it makes incorrect assumptions about where various things are in your system (such as the news active file). Grep through every directory till you find what has to be changed. etc. 2: It is excessively obese. The stripped binary is significantly in excess of 1 meg in size. Much of this is due to the inclusion of help text within the binary instead of in a separate help file. This means that an experience user who need no help must nevertheless load the help information into memory whenever she uses the software. 3: It screws up message status of the default mailbox. It always opens my default mailbox, whether I want it to or not. The status of messages in that mailbox changes from New to Unread, even though I have not asked to read the mailbox, and have not seen the list of messages in that mailbox. 4: The menu interface is tedious and unintuitive. When reading news, it displays a humongous list of newsgroups for me to select from. I have to actually select each in turn to discover that there are no unread messages in that newsgroup. After reading one newsgroup, if I want to select another I must go back and re-select the news collection, and have it redisplay the menu, then I must page through the menu to about where I was. Perhaps I am missing some shortcut here, but the keypresses indicated on the screen display do not provide a shorter alternative. 5: Poorly timed user unfriendly prompts. If I read my mail, then spend some time reading usenet, at the end it asks me if I really wanted to delete those messages from my mailbox. But that might be so long after I asked to delete them that I have forgotten the details. If the program wants to second guess and ask for confirmation, it should do it much earlier, perhaps as soon as a different folder is selected. Sorry, but there is no point in my listing other mail programs which do not have these faults. I am not aware of any other mail programs which do have these faults. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 12:04:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20836; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:04:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18805; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:52:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18799; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:52:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA12848; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:51:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: 3.91? To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know I'm goona get smacked for this, but any idea on when 3.91 will be coming out? I think our local admin is delaying installing 3.9x until the bug fixes are made... ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or anyone else -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 2.1) GJ/CM d- H-- s-:++>s-:+ g+ p? au+ a- w++ v* C++(++++) UL++++$ P+>++ L++$ 3- E---- N+++ K+++ W M+ V-- -po+(---)>$ Y++ t+ 5+++ j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 12:17:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21303; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:17:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24871; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:09:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24859; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:09:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsxuP-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 11:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: PC/Win pine "offline" how ??? Date: 6 Oct 1994 18:11:53 GMT Message-Id: <371el9$c79@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Is it possible to have PC/Win pine work "offline". It is so that our central e-mail server is a UNIX machine (SCO). Our PCs pine then fetches e-mails from INBOX and stores mails in mail- folders on that machine via imap. When the PC's pine send mails they send it to the UNIX machine with smtp. This works fine as long as the PC are connected to our Ethernet LAN. But if the PC's are placed outside the department, telephone connections has to be used, and that costs a lot of money if the line (e.g. slip or ppp) has to be open all the time pine is running. Therefor my question is if it is possible in one or another way to get pine to "download" the total INBOX to the PC at once, so the telephone connection can be closed, and then the user on the PC can read the mails (local on the pc), reply, Compose etc. and when finished the telephone line is opened again and the outgoing mails are sent. All in all to reduce the time the telephone line is open as much as possible. The SCO UNIX both has imap(d), ipop and ipop3. I never used other than imap(d). Can ipop? be used to do what I want ? How is it done then ? Hints, advices and suggestions are wellcome Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 12:29:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21742; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:29:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19505; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:24:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19499; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:24:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsy6d-00000IC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca (Dave Morrow) Subject: Customizing Pine Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <3711qk$r8p@newton.candu.aecl.ca> I was just wondering.....Pine 3.90 running on an HP automatically recognizes attachments that are images and spawns an external viewer (XView in my case) to view the image. Q. Is there a way to customize Pine to automatically recognize other types of attachments and call a program to view them? ie. Call emacs for text files? WP for .doc files ? -- David A. Morrow AECL Candu Tel: (905) 823-9060 Fax: 823-2302 Email: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 13:28:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24526; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:28:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26488; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:15:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26481; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:15:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qsytE-00000PC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 on VAX/VMS Message-Id: <1994Oct6.210023.173@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 6 Oct 94 21:00:23 GMT References: <1994Oct5.155656.26464@oxvaxd> > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form > > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters This is only a warnning message... Ignore it and continue. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 14:08:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26338; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:08:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27492; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:02:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from edison.eng.auburn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27486; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:02:08 -0700 Received: from netman.eng.auburn.edu (netman.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.12.24]) by edison.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA12460 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:02:06 -0500 From: Doug Hughes Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by netman.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA11999 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:02:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:02:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199410062102.QAA11999@netman.eng.auburn.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: trouble with fcc in 3.90 Content-Length: 729 New member of the list here.. Having trouble with the PC version of the DOS sunpc client of pine.. the Fcc field is perplexing.. Is there a way to disable this? If I use default fcc, it asks me if I want to create \mail\sentmail since it doesn't exist. if I say yes, it tells me file already exists, can't create it.. If I say no, it puts me back in edit. if I change FCC to be by-user, it puts fcc in header.. Only by deleting FCC as it is created in the header can I get mail to be sent. Also, I have gotten: Bug in Pine detected: "Append Validity Confusion" several times when sending mail. Haven't found that documented anywhere. Doug Hughes Engineering Network Services doug@eng.auburn.edu Auburn University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 14:21:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26772; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:21:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21924; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:09:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21918; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:09:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qszkv-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: czyborra@cs.tu-berlin.de (Roman Czyborra) Subject: Re: MIME Message-Id: Date: 5 Oct 94 21:38:39 GMT References: <36sdf3$kgk@linda.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't know what the problem is, but I haven't been able to get > Munpack to decode any attached messages sent with Pine. Munpack > gives me the message "Nothing to unpack." You need to pipe to munpack -t to decode text attachments also. I think the -t option was introduced in mpack-1.3. ftp://ftp.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/mpack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 14:25:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27040; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:25:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27974; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:20:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rainbow.uta.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27968; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:20:00 -0700 Received: by rainbow.uta.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01524; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:23:04 CDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:22:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Abdelsalam Helal Subject: covert from elm to pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: "Prof. Dr. Behrooz A. Shirazi" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello there! Could anybody please give me a pointer of a program that could translate from elm's alias file to pine's addressbook. Thanks, A. Helal-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abdelsalam Helal, Assistant professor Office Phone: (817) 273-3600 Computer Science Engineering Dept. Fax: (817) 273-3784 University of Texas at Arlington Email: helal@cse.uta.edu Box 19015, Arlington, TX 76019 Fedex Info:416 Yates St,Rm 300 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:00:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28697; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:00:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22968; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:54:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22962; Thu, 6 Oct 94 14:53:59 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA11681; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:50:50 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA25687; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:53:58 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01033; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:53:58 CDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Hemang Patel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Custom Headers In-Reply-To: <36vfrv$9vs@mark.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1152 On 6 Oct 1994, Hemang Patel wrote: > For a while now, I have been trying to define custom headers in PINE 3.90 > to no avail. Can anyone please help me? The help built into pine is no > help. TIA. > I'll expand DLM's answer a little. Like he said, go to Setup/Configure and select Add with Customized-hdrs highlighted. If you want to add an organization name your input should be: Organization: UCDAVIS Educational Center You can have more than one custom header by separating them by commas. Note, that since you separate your headers by commas, you cannot have commas in the header itself. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:06:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28998; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:06:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23130; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:01:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23119; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:00:58 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA11758; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:57:47 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA26007; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:00:54 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01037; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:00:54 CDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:00:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: 3.91? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1002 On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I know I'm goona get smacked for this, but any idea on when 3.91 will be > coming out? I think our local admin is delaying installing 3.9x until > the bug fixes are made... > If I remember correctly from 3.90, it is tenantively set for in a couple of weeks.:-) (Isn't this right DLM?) More seriously, I don't know and I have a feeling the pine developers would hate to make any commitment right now. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:14:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29244; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:14:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23295; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:05:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23289; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:05:19 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA11805; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:02:09 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA26221; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:05:14 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01041; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:05:13 CDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:05:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Abdelsalam Helal Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, "Prof. Dr. Behrooz A. Shirazi" Subject: Re: covert from elm to pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1091 On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Abdelsalam Helal wrote: > Hello there! Could anybody please give me a pointer of a program that > could translate from elm's alias file to pine's addressbook. > When I converted, my alias file was relatively small (<200 aliases) and I just copied my alias.txt(I think) to addressbook. The only real difference I believe was that Pine want the Real Name in Last, First format and Elm doesn't. So over time, I just corrected mine alittle at a time. There may be more elegant ways of doing this, but I was too lazy. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:39:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00768; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:39:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29674; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:23:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sol.cwsl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29668; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:23:47 -0700 Received: from [204.94.57.11] (ram.cwsl.edu [204.94.57.11]) by sol.cwsl.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00455 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:22:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Raleigh Moody (raleigh@cwsl.edu)" To: Pine List Subject: PC-Pine 3.90 aborts and exits X-Sender: ram@cwsl.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We recently installed PC-Pine 3.90 for the users on our Novell LAN. We use the LanWorkgroup 4.2 TCP/IP stack. We are having an intermittent problem with Pine suddenly aborting and exiting to DOS, displaying the message: Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in mail_fetchtext" Exiting Pine. It will most often do this when attempting to save a message to a folder, but has also happened when a user simply tries to delete a message, forward a message, or even read a message from the inbox list. I at first thought it might be an incorrect imap version problem, so I downloaded imapd-bin.solaris from ftp.cac.washington.edu, then installed it on our Sparc5 mail/domain server (yes, I did a "kill -1 " to restart the daemon...I know some of you will ask). This didn't solve the problem. The curious thing about this problem is that it surfaces intermittently, and happens to different users at different times. It might work fine for a week or so, with the user saving and deleting files at will, with no problems at all, then one day start acting up. So, 90% of the time Pine works flawlessly, it's just that 10% that becomes very annoying, because it kicks you out without warning. When this happens, Pine of course generates 4 or 5 debug files. Has anybody experienced a similar problem? I've followed the messages on this list for several weeks without spotting any problems that sound similar. I've also looked through the the tech-notes, FAQ, and even the August mail list archive, and found no hints or reports of similar problems. Advice, anyone? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Raleigh Moody Network Specialist email raleigh@cwsl.edu California Western School of Law phone 619-525-1406 San Diego, CA fax 619-685-2916 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:51:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01271; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:51:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00265; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:43:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00259; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:43:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt1BM-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 21:17:19 GMT Message-Id: <371pgv$730@news.halcyon.com> References: <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> The suggestions for new headers came from me (an avid news and mail user who years ago designed a newsreader that was never developed) so it's not so much that Pine cares about these things, it's that I care and I thought others might too.... For the sake of discussion suppose the headers are called: X-Posted-To: X-Response-To-Message-In: And suppose I receive a message with these headers (plus some other headers) in my mailbox: From: abrahamp To: nancym Cc: peterg Subject: Re: How Experiments End Newsgroups: soc.history.science X-Posted-To: soc.history.science X-Response-To-Message-In: soc.history.science,sci.philosophy.tech Because of the X-Posted-To: header I know that abrahamp both posted and mailed his message so it is ok (acceptable netiquette) for me to both mail and post my response. Because of the X-Response-To-Message-In: header I know that he is responding to a message that was crossposted to soc.history.science and sci.philosophy.tech so I can go take a look at both these newsgroups to read the discussion. Since crossposted discussions often bifurcate its useful to know all the newsgroups the message that's being replied to was in. Does this seem useful to anyone else? Also, I'm curious which other mailers allow users to simultaneously mail and post. Thanks much, Nancy PS to people reading this on the header-people mailing list (which is linked to comp.mail.headers): If possible could you post your response to all the newsgroups that are participating in this discussion. Thanks. In comp.mail.headers Craig_Everhart@transarc.COM writes: >The Andrew Message System has been dealing with netnews and mailings >since about 1987. We've had no problems with the concept of one message >reader dealing with both. > >On the face of it, I have to wonder what Pine cares about where a >message was read or posted. What difference does it make to the reader? > (``Disclaimer: the displayed message came from NetNews; read at your >own risk'' in a red border around the screen?) > >If Pine is all that worried, it could in principle use >out-of-incoming-header information to decide how a message got into its >hands, like whether it's reading from a folder of filed mail, from an >in-box, or from a newsgroup repository. AMS installations that deal in >netnews usually add a special message header to tell the reader to what >address ``wide replies'' (e.g. reply-to-all) should be directed, but a >simpler alternative would be for there to be tags in the AMS reader >configuration, or in the folder tree itself, indicating what parts of >the message database hold netnews messages as distinct from mailed >messages. > >The argument is similar to that of the Content-Length: one, in that if a >mail reader is going to rely on some non-standard (possibly >non-standardizeable) features of incoming mail, then it should itself >assure that it will be able to use those non-standard features. > >Thus, I vote against amending the standards to restrict what can be said >in a mail header. > > Craig -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 15:53:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01402; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:53:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00330; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:46:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.crl.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00324; Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:46:00 -0700 Received: from crl7.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA06038 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:44:09 -0700 Received: by crl7.crl.com id AA21050 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:44:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Whitehead Subject: Unsubscribe, please. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 16:40:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03992; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:40:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25361; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:34:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25355; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:34:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt1y3-00000cC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Hey, how to find out the local nntp server? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 23:21:45 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36v9gc$43t@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hey how to find out where is the local nntp server for pine? If you get a connection with telnet news nntp, your nntp-server is called news. If it isn't you can look at the headers of your own postings for clues or ask your news administrator. Your nearest NNTP server seems to be spool.cs.wisc.edu. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 16:48:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04402; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:48:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01809; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:44:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01801; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:44:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt25i-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Pine: No domain name on From: line Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 23:55:07 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Pine 3.90 creates an unreplyable From line lacking the domain name, > like this: From: Allen Sonafrank Set user-domain= fuzzy.math.nau.edu in your .pinerc or pine.conf. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 17:01:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05285; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:01:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01947; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:49:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01939; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:49:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt2Dn-00000fC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:57:31 GMT Message-Id: <371vcr$9rq@news.halcyon.com> References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: >Proper mailer behaviour is to ignore Newsgroups: headers. The fact that >brain damaged newsreaders leave them in when composing mailed replies is >not reason to change the current definitions of mail. I just tested TRN 3.5, TIN 1.2 PL2, NN 6.4.18, and PINE 3.90 by using the r command to respond in mail to a USENET article. TRN, TIN, and NN all included a Newsgroups: header in a mailed response to a news article. Pine 3.90 did not include a Newsgroups: header when the response was mailed only. Do you really think that TRN, TIN, and NN are brain damaged? It seems clear that if there is going to be a standard header that means that a mail message was simultaneously mailed and posted it will have to be something other than the Newsgroups: header. What do people think of Posted-To:? Thanks, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 17:15:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06452; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:15:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25796; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:49:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25790; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:49:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt2CU-00000dC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Incoming-folders= Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 00:05:04 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > incoming-folders=bsdi, procmail, news, root Perhaps you mean incoming-folders=mail/bsdi, mail/procmail...? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 17:27:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07212; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:27:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26507; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:08:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26501; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:08:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt2Tb-00000VC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 16:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: raleigh@cwsl.edu (Raleigh Moody) Subject: PC Pine 3.90 aborts and exits Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:41:41 GMT Message-Id: <371uf5$dde@softserv.solsource.com> References: We recently installed PC-Pine 3.90 for the users on our Novell LAN. We use the LanWorkgroup 4.2 TCP/IP stack. We are having an intermittent problem with Pine suddenly aborting and exiting to DOS, displaying the message: Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in mail_fetchtext" Exiting Pine. It will most often do this when attempting to save a message to a folder, but has also happened when a user simply tries to delete a message, forward a message, or even read a message from the inbox list. I at first thought it might be an incorrect imap version problem, so I downloaded imapd-bin.solaris from ftp.cac.washington.edu, then installed it on our Sparc5 mail/domain server (yes, I did a "kill -1 " to restart the daemon...I know some of you will ask). This didn't solve the problem. The curious thing about this problem is that it surfaces intermittently, and happens to different users at different times. It might work fine for a week or so, with the user saving and deleting files at will, with no problems at all, then one day start acting up. So, 90% of the time Pine works flawlessly, it's just that 10% that becomes very annoying, because it kicks you out without warning. When this happens, Pine of course generates 4 or 5 debug files. Has anybody experienced a similar problem? I've followed the messages on this group for several weeks without spotting any problems that sound similar. I've also looked through the the tech-notes, FAQ, and even the August mail list archive, and found no hints or reports of similar problems. Advice, anyone? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Raleigh Moody Network Specialist email raleigh@cwsl.edu California Western School of Law phone 619-525-1406 San Diego, CA fax 619-685-2916 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 18:17:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09348; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:17:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27691; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:07:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27685; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:07:45 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA28368; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 21:06:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 21:06:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Pine Messages Subject: IMAP doesn't seem to work Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm still loving 3.90, although I can't access newsgroups. Here is what I get: When booting system (DG/UX 5.4.201): Oct 1 18:05:50 faxon inetd[3505]: bad configuration line inetd.conf file (relevant lines only): # # IMAP (Pine) server configuration # pop stream tcp nowait root /usr/etc/ipop2d ipop2d pop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/etc/ipop3d ipop3d imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/etc/imapd imapd Did I miss something somewhere? When I do try to access news (news.cac.washington.edu) I _can_ see the groups, but I can't subscribe to them. Any help would be appreciated. TIA Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 18:20:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09399; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:20:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03799; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:13:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03793; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:13:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt3Wr-00000DC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 01:11:20 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The particular issue should not be an issue now. It is because of a > design flaw in pine. I disagree, I'd call rn's reply behavior ignorant of RFC 1036. > If you received the message in mail, then it was mailed. If you want to > know whether the originator of the message also posted it in a public > forum somewhere -- then you are asking for the ability to read minds > of people you have never met. I have had one person get mad at me once: I mailed him a copy of my followup on his posting and he replied privately. Later he saw that I had also posted my message so he had to go back into his archive and manually post the answer he had sent to me. Consequently I renamed Newsgroups: to Also-Posted-To: for a while. The Also- prefix was inspired by the son-of-rfc1036 draft. Now that I've seen Pine use Newsgroups: as an indicator for postings I've returned to sending out that header. Sam Tardieu uses To-Newsgroups. Instead of reading minds, one could of course query the NNTP server for the message-id, but postings may not arrive there soon enough. > If you received the message by mail, and there is no indication that > it was also posted, proper netiquette is to assume that it was mail. > You do not need any special headers for that. If you want to automatize things, you need a standardized label which indicates a public posting. The same problem arises for newsgroup moderators who have to decide whether a message con Newsgroups: was meant as a private reply or a public submission. > Usually the "Received:" header in mail and the "Path:" header in > usenet news can give you this information. Many mailers and newsreaders consider Path: and Received: clutter and do not include it in forwarded messages. Anyway, these lines tell you how the message made it to you, not where it originated. I've been using Old-Newsgroups: and Old-To: to indicate the origin of a conversation occasionally, that prefix was inspired by formail. > "Newsgroups:" has a defined meaning for usenet, but has no defined > meaning for email. You also believe that Content-Type: is undefined in news just because RFC 1521 doesn't mention Usenet? > But you will probably never get it adopted. There are too many > existing products which do not honor these to-be-invented headers Yes, unfortunately Newsgroups in replies has become very common and Pine3.90 alone does not produce enough pressure on people who want to keep their replies private to fix their newsreaders. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 18:25:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09511; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:25:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27775; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:13:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27769; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:13:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt3X4-00000PC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adambcox@tucson.princeton.edu (Adam Cox) Subject: Re: New user requires help. Message-Id: <1994Oct5.210722.13290@Princeton.EDU> References: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:07:22 GMT In article , Keith Cordon wrote: >I have only just discovered PINE so please bear with me. >Can someone please email me with information on how to stop the creation >of enourmous .pine-debug files everytime I use pine. >Also is there a FAQ for pine users? I've managed to get to grips with >most of it but I have a few questions.... >Many Thanks i get the same pine-debug files. four of them build up and then they stop (i don't know f they are rewriting to those four or not - haven't checked). anyone know what the cause of it is? adam - i could post one of the files to be examined... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 18:28:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09567; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:28:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03934; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:19:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03928; Thu, 6 Oct 94 18:19:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt3aU-00000QC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 17:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:20:29 GMT Message-Id: <37248d$iti@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> <371eau$h4l@mp.cs.niu.edu> Thus spake rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert): >In <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >>rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >>>I install Pine because some of >>>my users ask for it. Except for testing the installation, I do not >>>use Pine. I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk >>>software and poor design that I have encountered. >>I'm curious why you think this. Could you please post at least 3 features >>(other than the Newsgroups:_ header in a mail message) which you think were >>poorly designed and mailers that do each of these 3 features better. > 1: It is a bitch to install. > Read the instructions. Select the configuration for > your system, using the 'gcc' compiler. > Run the build script. Discover that it doesn't > use the 'gcc' compiler. > Read and understand the build script, so that you can > really use 'gcc', by adding a keyword argument CC=gcc > on the command line. Discover that it does a half-baked > job, using 'gcc' part of the time, and 'cc' part of the > time. > Use a 'find' to locate all of the 'Makefile's to find what > has to be changed to really use gcc. > Compile. Have the thing crap out in the middle because a > system include file is included twice, the first time with > 'const' as itself, and the second time with 'const' redefined > as ''. > Build it. Discover that it makes incorrect assumptions > about where various things are in your system (such as > the news active file). Grep through every directory till > you find what has to be changed. > etc. > 2: It is excessively obese. > The stripped binary is significantly in excess of 1 meg in > size. Much of this is due to the inclusion of help text > within the binary instead of in a separate help file. This > means that an experience user who need no help must > nevertheless load the help information into memory whenever > she uses the software. > 3: It screws up message status of the default mailbox. > It always opens my default mailbox, whether I want it to > or not. The status of messages in that mailbox changes > from New to Unread, even though I have not asked to > read the mailbox, and have not seen the list of messages > in that mailbox. > 4: The menu interface is tedious and unintuitive. > When reading news, it displays a humongous list of newsgroups > for me to select from. I have to actually select each in turn > to discover that there are no unread messages in that newsgroup. > After reading one newsgroup, if I want to select another I > must go back and re-select the news collection, and have it > redisplay the menu, then I must page through the menu to > about where I was. Perhaps I am missing some shortcut here, > but the keypresses indicated on the screen display do not > provide a shorter alternative. > 5: Poorly timed user unfriendly prompts. > If I read my mail, then spend some time reading usenet, at > the end it asks me if I really wanted to delete those > messages from my mailbox. But that might be so long after I > asked to delete them that I have forgotten the details. If > the program wants to second guess and ask for confirmation, > it should do it much earlier, perhaps as soon as a different > folder is selected. >Sorry, but there is no point in my listing other mail programs which >do not have these faults. I am not aware of any other mail programs >which do have these faults. Well, try to write danish charaters in those other mail programs you mean are so good and send that mail from unix and read it on a PC :-) Do the same with one or another kind of document made by one or another programme. Then after that please tell me which of your mail programs I can get for free and that can do the same that easy :-) Eigil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 20:21:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11977; Thu, 6 Oct 94 20:21:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05381; Thu, 6 Oct 94 20:10:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05366; Thu, 6 Oct 94 20:10:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt5Iu-00000NC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 19:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 03:06:14 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil> I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk Neil> software and poor design that I have encountered. > I'm curious why you think this. The UW folks have implemented many neat features, some a tad overbearing, but most of them are safe and easy to use and well documented, both for beginners and experienced users. Pine definitely excels in this area. However, when you look at the monstrous sources, you will find a lot of debatable clutter making pine larger and slower than necessary and hard to overview and maintain. Once you need to make some adaptations to your local environment you start to wonder why things like the path to your news spool or the newmail poll time aren't organized in one single config.h for all architectures or at least all flavors of Unix. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 21:41:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13706; Thu, 6 Oct 94 21:41:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06813; Thu, 6 Oct 94 21:35:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06807; Thu, 6 Oct 94 21:35:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qt6dR-00000MC; Thu, 6 Oct 94 21:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jemorti@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jack Mortimer - E81) Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Message-Id: <1994Oct5.173226.29279@relay.nswc.navy.mil> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Oct2.121417.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> <36msas$nub@news.halcyon.com> <36n58j$rks@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:32:26 GMT In article , earl@tyrell.net (Nick Danger) writes: |> |> : If you are using pine 3.90, go to "Setup" and choose Configure. Scroll |> : down the list until "Signature at bottom". Put an x in this box, exit |> : setup and restart PINE. That's it. |> |> I wonder why the author has this backwards. Wouldn't it make much more |> sense to have the signature default to the bottom and have a |> configuration option to have it at the top? It sure would elimininate a |> LOT of confusion. |> It seems to me that you are signing the message, not the attachment. So having the .sig file after your message, but before the attachment, makes lots of sense. Maybe we have lost/gained something by dealing so much with electronic communications. Perhaps we can benefit from some traditional correspondance training. I know it would help me. Jack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 01:51:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18833; Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:51:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04046; Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:46:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04040; Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:46:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtAfO-00000fC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (J. Alan Alexander) Subject: Re: Hey, how to find out the local nntp server? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 04:16:14 GMT References: <36v9gc$43t@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In article <36v9gc$43t@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, Ah! My Goddess wrote: >Hey how to find out where is the local nntp server for pine? You could call up your computing center on the phone and ask... Really, this is a local-type question which can only be answered locally. -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 03:16:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20621; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:16:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05027; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:11:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05021; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:11:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtBx7-00000hC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 02:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: using `reply' to post?!? (was Re: Newsgroups: in mail replies?) Message-Id: <941006.223718.9U6.rusnews.w164w_-_@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 22:37:18 -0600 References: David L Miller writes: > with a Newsgroups: header was posted to the list and the user should be > queried about posting the reply as a followup. at no time when a user says they want to reduce traffic should the software encourage them to increase it! -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 03:19:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20671; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:19:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11143; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:08:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11137; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:08:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtBvM-00000aC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 02:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Message-Id: <941006.213044.9o6.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 21:30:44 -0600 References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: > Since Pine 3.90 is the first widely used Mailer-and-Newsreader-in-one, read: `most widely used to date'. Andrew does this. GNUS does this. this (non-widely-used) package does this. > Right now when Pine is viewing a message in a mail folder (i.e., inbox > or save-folder) it assumes that a To:_ header means the message was > mailed and a Newsgroups:_ header means the message was posted, and both > mean the message was both posted and mailed. this is obviously wrong. it should be fixed. -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 03:45:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21359; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:45:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11556; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:41:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11550; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:41:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtCTF-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 03:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Subject: Re: Custom Headers In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <36vfrv$9vs@mark.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 09:37:55 GMT On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Kenny Wickstrom (x2349) wrote: > I'll expand DLM's answer a little. Like he said, go to Setup/Configure > and select Add with Customized-hdrs highlighted. If you want to add an > organization name your input should be: > Organization: UCDAVIS Educational Center > > You can have more than one custom header by separating them by commas. > Note, that since you separate your headers by commas, you cannot have > commas in the header itself. Actually you can: # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs=Reply-To, Organization: SURFnet bv, Address: "Cluetinckborch, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL", Phone: +31 30 310290, Telefax: +31 30 340903 By surrounding the text-with-commas with ""'s you can have commas in a header. Xander From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 05:50:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24464; Fri, 7 Oct 94 05:50:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07157; Fri, 7 Oct 94 05:39:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from beast.Trenton.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07151; Fri, 7 Oct 94 05:39:54 -0700 Received: from roar.Trenton.EDU by beast.Trenton.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00687; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:38:12 +0500 Received: by roar.Trenton.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12647; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:38:35 +0500 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Shawn Sivy X-Sender: ssivy@roar To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Monthly moving of folders Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 792 Is there a way to turn off the feature that asks to move your sent-mail and saved mail to a file called sent-mail-"month" then delete the previous months sent-mail and saved mail. I just want to keep my mail in one folder and clean it myself. I also do want to be asked these questions when I really want to quickly get in and read my mail. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Shawn Sivy, "Certified" Unix Sys. Adm. | E-mail: ssivy@Trenton.EDU | | Academic Computing Support Consultant | Phone: (609) 771-3474 | | Trenton State College | Fax: (609) 771-3484 | | Information Management | "Save a tree, send e-mail!" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 09:20:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00599; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:20:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10869; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:12:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10853; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:12:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtHag-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 08:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Leslie Troutman Subject: Network news question Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 09:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone tell me if there is a way to remove unread messages from view at one time. Deleting messages one-by-one is time consuming and I have a number of lists where I simply scan the headers and look at only one or two items. Please reply to my email address. Thanks, Leslie =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Leslie Troutman EMAIL: TROUTMAN@UIUC.EDU Music User-Services Coordinator PHONE: 217-244-4071 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign FAX: 217-244-0398 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 09:46:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02096; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:46:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11516; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:40:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11510; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:40:34 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa11520; 7 Oct 94 12:40 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA21703; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:40:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) In-Reply-To: <36voi9$rmq@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. The scheme Neil Rickert suggest would break under these conditions. ( When I get replies on a query I've posted, I usually save them, whether they were posted replies or mail replies into a topic specific folder. I don't want to have to switch back and forth between folders when I'm working on a summary or other replies. ) How can a program tell if it was a posted or e-mailed reply, other than trying to infer from the headers? Inference isn't perfect, so it does have to ask for confirmation - and maybe that message could be made more clear. I'm not sure what it does to outgoing Newsgroups: header lines in all cases. I think it ought to propagate this info, even if the user doesn't post his reply. However, this will obviously make any inference even less likely to be true. Perhaps there does need to be some new header or convention defined. My newsreaders also allow a Cc: address, and they will mail AND post a reply if that is filled in. If I'm posting a reply to someone, I often CC: them personally as a courtesy. I always appreciate it when someone does the same - I don't always follow news every day, even if I've posted a message, so getting an email-reply of a message that is also posted is quite helpful. But, I have also gotten remarks from folks who don't like this double-reply. They always assume if they get a response in the mail, that it is a non-public response, and they reply by email; then get anoyed when they see also see my message show up in news. There is really no consensus about proper e-mail ettiquite is this matter - so maybe there needs to be a better convention for indicating all these cases clearly. ( and note that this is another case that "breaks" Neil Rickert's scheme. ) -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 10:02:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02889; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:02:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17822; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:52:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17816; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:52:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtIDU-00000AC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:45:38 GMT Message-Id: <373mui$65e@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <371vcr$9rq@news.halcyon.com> In article <371vcr$9rq@news.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: >>Proper mailer behaviour is to ignore Newsgroups: headers. The fact that >>brain damaged newsreaders leave them in when composing mailed replies is >>not reason to change the current definitions of mail. > >I just tested TRN 3.5, TIN 1.2 PL2, NN 6.4.18, and PINE 3.90 by using >the r command to respond in mail to a USENET article. TRN, TIN, and NN >all included a Newsgroups: header in a mailed response to a news article. >Pine 3.90 did not include a Newsgroups: header when the response was >mailed only. Do you really think that TRN, TIN, and NN are brain damaged? If they leave Newsgroups: headers in mail they generate, yes. They are inserting undefined headers. >It seems clear that if there is going to be a standard header that means >that a mail message was simultaneously mailed and posted it will have You mean, like, the X-Also-Posted-To: I suggested? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 10:15:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03797; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:15:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12194; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:07:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12188; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:07:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtIQl-00000JC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cbh@vodka.wlo.dec.com (Chris Hedley) Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 7 Oct 1994 13:15:43 +0100 Message-Id: <3739o4$jmp@vodka.wlo.dec.com> References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> <371eau$h4l@mp.cs.niu.edu> On 6 Oct 1994 13:06:22 -0500, Neil Rickert (rickert@cs.niu.edu) wrote: > 1: It is a bitch to install. No more so than any other public domain software. In my experience, Pine was one of the easier packages to install that wasn't developed specifically for my type of system. Having to redefine the compiler type does not seem to me to be a major effort, especially bearing in mind some of the far more serious problems I have encountered with other packages; doing some minor tweaking to the makefiles is no big thing when you consider the amount of work that has gone into a program of this scale which is then freely distributed! > 2: It is excessively obese. Not a problem on demand-paged systems such as Unix and VMS, which are the most common platforms for Pine. Your claim that the help information must be loaded into memory whenever the software is used is incorrect. > 3: It screws up message status of the default mailbox. > It always opens my default mailbox, whether I want it to > or not. The status of messages in that mailbox changes > from New to Unread, even though I have not asked to > read the mailbox, and have not seen the list of messages > in that mailbox. I haven't noticed it trying to open the default mailbox if I specify an alternative on the command line. As for changing the status of new messages to unread, every mailer I have used does this (correctly in my opinion). > 4: The menu interface is tedious and unintuitive. > 5: Poorly timed user unfriendly prompts. These are your opinions. Whilst you are entitled to them, please don't use them as reasons to substantiate your claim that the software is "junk". My opinion (which is independant, I have no connection with the Pine development team) is that Pine 3.90 is by far the best character- cell based mailing system available for Unix platforms that I have used, combining a large number of powerful features with an easy to use and pleasant user interface. And it's free. Cheers, Chris. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 10:29:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04622; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:29:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18598; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:22:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18582; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:22:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtIgW-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mark stephan Subject: pine/.mailrc nickname converter Date: 6 Oct 1994 21:12:00 GMT Message-Id: <371p70$37d@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Do any of you have a convertor that will take pine nicknames and convert them too .mailrc or Eudora format? Thank you markstep@chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 10:30:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04661; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:30:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12605; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:22:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12593; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:22:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtIhE-00000AC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oqp@cw-u03.umd.umich.edu (Christopher Bibbs) Subject: Help! Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:40:03 GMT Message-Id: <3725d3$4nf@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Is there any way to allow/make pine run under vt52 emulation? Please let there be a way. -- Christopher Bibbs | Like a baby stillborn chrisbib@umich.edu | Like a beast with his horn http://www.umd.umich.edu/~oqp | I have torn everyone who reached out for me. Ask me about relativity. | -Leonard Cohen Geek Code: GSS d? -p+ c++(+++) l- u+(++) e+ m+ s-/ n+(--) h-- f+@* g+ w+ t++(+++) r@+ y++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 13:34:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14093; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:34:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23020; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:27:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23014; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:27:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtLb1-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu (Randy Zagar) Subject: Cross-platform Pine/IMAP problem... Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:44:44 GMT Message-Id: <3741ec$7pr@news-4.nss.udel.edu> I haven't tried digging through the code yet, but I think I've identified a problem with Pine and IMAP. From what I can tell, it is Pine that supplies the full pathname of the INBOX when Pine is using the IMAP service This can be a real problem if (as I am) you are dealing with several different operating systems that happen to *NOT* agree on where the users' INBOX is stored SunOS-4.1.3 /var/spool/mail Solaris-2.X /var/mail IRIX-5.x /usr/var/mail This list is not complete, other systems put things in places other than those listed above. I discovered this problem while testing the Solaris version of IMAP with a SunOS Pine client. Pine kept telling me that my mailbox was empty until I created a symbolic link on the Solaris system from /var/spool/mail to /var/mail. I don't think the client (i.e. Pine) should be telling the server (IMAP) where to look for the users' INBOX. -Randy --- ______________________________________________________________________ / \ | Randy Zagar | Voice: 302/831-1139 | | College of Marine Studies | FAX: 302/831-6838 | | University of Delaware | Internet: zagar@Chester.cms.udel.edu | | Newark, DE 19711 | Compu$erve: 73072,1413 | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP Key available on request, or by 'finger'. | \______________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 13:37:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14269; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:37:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17231; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:32:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17225; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:32:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtLhy-00000LC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mcdowelt@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tim McDowell) Subject: Need help with Pine-Eudora interaction!! Date: 7 Oct 94 17:37:02 GMT Message-Id: Hi: My boss reads his mail using Pine, and leaves it in the in box. Later Iam expected to come into the same account using Eudora and bring the mail up unto my laptop for printing. The trouble is it appears that Eudora picks up on the fact that the mail was marked read by Pine, and does not download it to my laptop. QUESTION: Is there a way to configure Pine so that it does not mark messages as read so that when I come in to the mail under Eudora I get all the mail downloaded to me. I'd greatly appreciate a response to my email at mcdowelt@rintintin.colorado.edu. Tim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 13:47:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14860; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:47:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23295; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:42:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23289; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:42:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtLnL-00000MC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hribnak@nucleus.com (Jim Hribnak) Subject: Bug in pine 3.90? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:28:30 GMT One user on our system (so far) is getting the following: Bug in Pine detected: "Recieved abort signal" He gets this when quitting pine every time and produces a core.pine file (I am on BSDI/386 v1.1) I use pine constantly all day long and I have never encountered this.. Jim Hribnak Nucleus Information Service VP Operations, Nucleus Inc. 55 Lines (403)531-9353 (2400) ----------------------------------------- (403)531-9370 (19200) hribnak@nucleus.com (403)249-9009 (voice) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 13:55:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15053; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:55:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17581; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:49:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17575; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:49:27 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25264; Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:49:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Randy Zagar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Cross-platform Pine/IMAP problem... In-Reply-To: <3741ec$7pr@news-4.nss.udel.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Randy, If, in your .pinerc or pine.conf, you use the form: inbox-path={imap-host}inbox rather than an explicit path name, then the imapd process will interpret "inbox" in accordance with he convention for the system it was built on. -teg On 7 Oct 1994, Randy Zagar wrote: > I haven't tried digging through the code yet, but I think I've > identified a problem with Pine and IMAP. From what I can tell, > it is Pine that supplies the full pathname of the INBOX when Pine > is using the IMAP service > > This can be a real problem if (as I am) you are dealing with several > different operating systems that happen to *NOT* agree on where the > users' INBOX is stored > > SunOS-4.1.3 /var/spool/mail > Solaris-2.X /var/mail > IRIX-5.x /usr/var/mail > > This list is not complete, other systems put things in places other than > those listed above. > > I discovered this problem while testing the Solaris version of IMAP with > a SunOS Pine client. Pine kept telling me that my mailbox was empty until > I created a symbolic link on the Solaris system from /var/spool/mail > to /var/mail. > > I don't think the client (i.e. Pine) should be telling the server (IMAP) > where to look for the users' INBOX. > > -Randy > > --- > ______________________________________________________________________ > / \ > | Randy Zagar | Voice: 302/831-1139 | > | College of Marine Studies | FAX: 302/831-6838 | > | University of Delaware | Internet: zagar@Chester.cms.udel.edu | > | Newark, DE 19711 | Compu$erve: 73072,1413 | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------| > | PGP Key available on request, or by 'finger'. | > \______________________________________________________________________/ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 14:42:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17204; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:42:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24245; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:24:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24233; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:24:43 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13503; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:24:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 sep 94 09:41:16 -0700 From: Pine Development Team Message-Id: <9408241626.AA29044@shiva2.cac.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="==========" Subject: Pine Frequently Asked Questions Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: --========== Content-Description: Contents Subject: Contents PINE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS The following questions have been compiled from questions asked on the pine-info and pine-bugs mailing lists. General * What is Pine? * What is MIME? * What is IMAP? * How can I get a copy of Pine? * Is there a manual? * What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? * What are all these funny names in your examples? * How many sites use Pine? Errors and Problems * I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? * If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. * "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" * What is folder locking and how does it work? * What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox simultaneously? * Why did I get the message "locked, override in XXX sec"? * Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Usage * How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? * How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? * How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? * How do I read News with Pine? * Can I post news with Pine? * How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? * How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? * Can I define a Reply-To: header? * Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? * xbiff lets me know about new mail, but pine doesn't know about it. * How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Installation and Configuration * Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? * Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? * What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? * Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? * Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? * How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? * How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Platform Specific * To what platforms has Pine been ported? * Pine 3.89 on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.3 crashes every time I try to open a folder. * What PC comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Mac comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Amiga comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? Conversions * How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? * How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? * How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? * How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Development Info * What are the current versions of Pine and related software? * What is new in this version of Pine? * When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? * What new features will the next release of Pine include? --========== Content-Description: General Questions About Pine Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: General Questions About Pine GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PINE ------------ Content-Description: What is Pine? Subject: What is Pine? Pine(tm) --a Program for Internet News & Email-- is a tool for reading, sending, and managing electronic messages. It was designed specifically with novice computer users in mind, but can be tailored to accommodate the needs of "power users" as well. Pine uses Internet message protocols (e.g. RFC-822, SMTP, MIME, IMAP, NNTP) and runs on Unix and PCs. The guiding principles for Pine's user-interface were: careful limitation of features, one-character mnemonic commands, always-present command menus, immediate user feedback, and high tolerance for user mistakes. It is intended that Pine can be learned by exploration rather than reading manuals. It has the ability to perform full screen editing of messages, attachments (such as Word or Excel files), and other advanced message system features. Pine uses IMAP for accessing message folders on remote computers and MIME for sending multimedia or other binary files as attachments to normal messages. ------------ Content-Description: What is MIME? Subject: What is MIME? MIME (RFC 1521) stands for "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions". It is an Internet standard which allows transfer of binary files (word-processing documents, spreadsheets, images, sounds, etc) between any compliant mailers. You can get technical information about MIME from the RFC. Ongoing discussion on MIME takes place in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime. There is also a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list that is posted regularly to comp.mail.mime and comp.answers. ------------ Content-Description: What is IMAP? Subject: What is IMAP? IMAP stands for "Internet Message Access Protocol". An IMAP client program on any platform at any location on the Internet can access email folders on an IMAP server. While the messages appear to be local, they reside on the server until the client explicitly moves or deletes them. The IMAP protocol is a functional (but incompatible) superset of POP. A principal advantage of IMAP over POP is that it permits using more than one computer to access your mail. Using multiple computers with POP typically results in your mail ending up scattered across all of those computers. Another key advantage is IMAP's ability to selectively access parts of messages, e.g. you don't have to wait for a 2MB audio attachment to be retrieved until you specifically ask for it. This is a big win over low-speed (e.g. dialup) connections. For a detailed comparison of IMAP and POP, see the paper "Comparing Two Approaches to Remote Mailbox Access: IMAP vs. POP." IMAP is what allows Pine (or any other IMAP client) to access email on a remote mail server, usually one that is shared (central or departmental). There is an IETF working group currently defining the IMAP4 revision to the IMAP2 specification (RFC-1176). A copy of the latest IMAP draft may be obtained from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file imap/latest-imap-draft ------------ Content-Description: How can I get a copy of Pine? Subject: How can I get a copy of Pine? Pine is available via anonymous ftp from the pine directory of ftp.cac.washington.edu. See the Installation Instructions for Pine for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Is there a manual? Subject: Is there a manual? The Pine program itself includes extensive online help. Additional documentation may be found via anonymous FTP or via World-Wide-Web using the following URLs: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine The Pine program itself also includes extensive online help. Other forms of access are planned for the future. ------------ Content-Description: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? Subject: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? The "comp.mail.pine" newsgroup is devoted to Pine. It is bi-directionally gatewayed to the "pine-info" mailing list described below. The following mailing lists deal with Pine and related topics: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Pine-Info is a mailing list for the email program Pine. The mailing list includes discussion of Pine features, bugs, tricks, etc. Often technical and installation questions appear on the list. New releases, fixes and version of Pine are announced on the pine-info mailing list. For official announcements only, you may wish to see pine-announce instead of this list. To subscribe to pine-info, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Pine-Announce@cac.washington.edu Pine-Announce is a announcement list for the email program Pine. When new Pine products are released and old ones updated, a message goes out to this group describing the development. It is a very low volume list and includes no discussion whatsoever. _All messages to this list are automatically forwarded to pine-info, so it is not necessary to subscribe to both lists._ To subscribe to pine-announce, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-announce in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-announce@cac.washington.edu. IMAP@CAC.Washington.EDU This is the official mailing list for the IETF IMAP working group and other interested parties. Discussion of the evolving IMAP standard and related issues is conducted on this list. To subscribe to IMAP, send a message to imap-request@cac.washington.edu. C-Client@CAC.Washington.EDU This list is for discussion of the C-Client library which is used by Pine and various other mail and IMAP clients and servers. ------------ Content-Description: What are all these funny names in your examples? Subject: What are all these funny names in your examples? In an attempt to avoid confusion with real places or services we decided to make up a ficticious user for our examples. This person is John Smith, who is currently an art major at the University of Nowhere (nowhere.edu). He previously attended Elsewhere Community College (elsewhere.edu). His username is jsmith and he uses the following machines: rembrandt.art.nowhere.edu A Unix timesharing machine. picasso.art.nowhere.edu An SMTP server. news.nowhere.edu A Usenet News server which supports both NNTP and IMAP access. davinci.art.nowhere.edu A PC-compatible workstation running MS-DOS. warhol.art.nowhere.edu An IMAP server. fozzie.elsewhere.edu An IMAP server at Elsewhere Community College. ------------ Content-Description: How many sites use Pine? Subject: How many sites use Pine? We don't have a good way to count the number of sites running Pine, but at last count over 4,000 sites in 40 countries had downloaded the Pine 3.89 distribution from ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are also several major archive sites that mirror the distribution, so the actual numbers are probably much higher. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Errors and Problems Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Errors and Problems ERRORS AND PROBLEMS ------------ Content-Description: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? Subject: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? When a bug is identified in an old release, there is a very strong possibility that the associated code has been re-written to the point that a fix will not apply to the current release. Hence, if we can't reproduce the problem in the current version, our standard response will be to ask you to upgrade. ------------ Content-Description: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. Subject: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. This is a known limitation of the current release of pine. When you postpone a composition, Pine does not have any way to keep track of which message was being replied to (or that it was a reply at all). This limitation will be removed in a future release of Pine. ------------ Content-Description: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" Subject: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" The message "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" means that Pine was reading your mail folder, and at the point in which it expected a start-of-message header line, it found something else. The ``format invalidated'' condition can happen in one of three ways: 1. bad data exists at the beginning of the folder. 2. data was appended to the folder after Pine initially read it, and the new data did not begin with a start-of-message-header. 3. the folder was modified without Pine being aware of it. All three problems are generally caused by software external to Pine. Condition (1) can be determined by whether or not the problem repeats itself after restarting Pine. If restarting Pine does not make the problem go away, then you need to look at the actual file for the folder and see what is wrong with the very first line. In particular, make sure that there are no blank lines at the beginning of the file and that the first character of the folder file is a capital ``F'' , the second an ``r'', the third an ``o'', etc. In the case of an INBOX, you may want to rename the folder so that new mail can be delivered while repairs on the corrupt folder are being done. Condition (2) may be caused by a mail delivery process (e.g. /bin/mail) which writes some characters other than ``From '' at the beginning of the new data. Condition (3) is caused by another program manipulating the mail folder without following the normal folder locking protocols. This is a general problem on UNIX. Conditions (2) and (3) have also been known to occur when accessing folders via NFS, if the information returned by the stat() and read() system calls do not correspond with each other as a result of NFS attribute caching. Restarting Pine on that folder always clears conditions (2) and (3). If the problem is chronic, it may be worth an investigation to determine its cause. Usually, it is due to the misbehavior of some external software. The reason why Pine gives up with conditions (2) and (3) is that it does not want to risk damaging user data by guessing what is right. Pine never writes to the folder unless it is absolutely sure it knows what it is doing. There are some steps which can be taken to reduce the risk of these conditions coming up. Some of these steps may require the assistance of your system adminstrator (or whomever it was that built and installed Pine on your system): 1. Use IMAP instead of NFS to access remote folders. Problems with locking over NFS are perhaps the single most important cause of user difficulties. Using IMAP eliminates this class of problem. 2. Consider enabling the mbox driver in Pine. If the mbox driver is enabled, mail is transferred from the /usr/spool/mail mail into a file called mbox in your home directory, if mbox exists. The home directory mbox file is then your INBOX. This has the advantage that Pine and the mail delivery system are less often in contention for the INBOX, and never both trying to update it. Pine only empties the /usr/spool/mail file, it never tries updating it. 3. Be careful not to run other programs that modify your folders while you are running Pine. Such programs may change the folder out from under Pine, and lead Pine to conclude that there is a problem with its view of the file. ------------ Content-Description: What is folder locking and how does it work? Subject: What is folder locking and how does it work? Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at the same time. Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX, Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity. There are several reasons why locking needs to be done: 1. If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process will modify the mail file while you are reading it. 2. If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it. 3. If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other process can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have read, but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file. 4. If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open. There are several mechanisms of locking: * The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with a suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is named /usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2) above. This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4). This is an exclusive lock. On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as well, but this has not been directly verified. _NOTE: flock() on BSD systems does not work over NFS, so only the most basic .lock file locking -- locks (1) and (2) happen over NFS. On SVR4 systems, fcntl() locking attempts to work over NFS, but there are known problems in the rpc.lockd daemon which have caused hangs if an application beats on the mechanism too much (and Pine beats on it). All of the above mechanisms work reliably over IMAP connections._ _[MRC]_ ------------ Content-Description: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? Subject: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? This varies depending on what format your folders are stored in. With the default Berkeley format, the last session to open a folder will get full access to the folder and the previous session(s) will be changed to read-only access. When a folder is read-only, you will not see any further updates to that folder until it is reopened with full access. Currently the INBOX cannot be reopened without exiting and restarting Pine. With the Tenex format, any number of sessions can simultaneously have full access to a folder, with the exception that expunging is disabled. See "What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it?" for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? Subject: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? The message "locked, will override in _xxx_ seconds" occurs when Pine has discovered that some other mail program claims to be accessing your mail folder (i.e. _folder_.lock exists). This is a very low-level lock used by programs such as the system mailer in delivering mail, and by certain programs such as mail, elm, babyl, mm, etc. Supposedly, this lock is only to be acquired and held for a very short period of time (less than a second). It starts with 285 seconds, retries every second, and issues that message every 15 seconds. The total period of time, 5 minutes, is the time that it will keep on trying before it concludes that the lock is false -- that is, that whatever program locked the folder forgot to unlock it (perhaps it crashed) -- and Pine will go ahead and claim the lock for itself. This is not due to a conflict between two copies of Pine, since Pine interlocks against itself in a higher-level fashion. _NOTE: On some systems with 14 character filename limits, attempting to open a folder with a 14 character name (e.g. saved-messages) will trigger this sequence. Folder names should be limited to 9 characters or less on those systems._ ------------ Content-Description: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Subject: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Pine BASE64-encodes all attachments, including text, in order to assure that they are not modified in transit. The goal is make sure file attachment in Pine is as dependable as FTP (and BASE64 is safer than Quoted-Printable). A good example of why this is handy is when we recently asked some folks to attach their addressbooks to help us track down problems in 3.90, we didn't have to worry about whether a gateway had modified a tab or trailing blanks, etc, etc. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Usage Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Usage USAGE ------------ Content-Description: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Subject: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Put addresses and/or list from your address book in the Bcc: (blind carbon copy) header field. You will see all the names and addresses as you compose the message, but they are erased before arriving in other people's INBOXes. The Bcc: header is not displayed automatically in the default Pine configuration, so you may need to use the rich headers command (Ctrl-R) while the cursor is in the header to expose it. ------------ Content-Description: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Subject: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Here are a couple ways to use Ispell within Pine: 1. Set your alternate-editor to ispell, then ^_ in the composer invokes ispell. To do this set "editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell" in your .pinerc file. This may be set within Pine via the _OPTIONS_ task of the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. Now, when you press ^_ (Control-Underscore) in Pine, you will execute the ispell program in its native mode. Press ? for help. Press I to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press Ctrl-T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. 2. Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable so you can create the following script and name it spell. #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq To make Ctrl-T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: + make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory + make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' + set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .profile, .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press Ctrl-T in Pine, you will execute the ispell program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to Insert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (Ctrl-T), but they could not change it. To use ispell with pico, implement the 'ispell' program via ^T (CTRL-T) (using the script file) in addition to implementing it via ^_ (CTRL-_) (using the .pinerc file). * Use Ctrl-_ in Pine (it won't work in Pico) for full-featured ispell. * Use Ctrl-T in Pico to use the ispell program and your .ispell_words dictionary (but without the full ispell functionality). You can use Ctrl-T/ispell in Pine also, but why bother when Ctrl-_ works better. _[Mike Ramey ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Subject: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Using your favorite text editor (e.g. Pico), create a file in your home directory called .signature containing the text you want appended to each message. For more detailed information see The Signature and Finger Frequently Asked Questions list which is posted periodically to the comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.misc newsgroups. PC-Pine users should put their signatures in the file \PINE\PINE.SIG. ------------ Content-Description: How do I read News with Pine? Subject: How do I read News with Pine? Three ways to access news via Pine: 1. Local News. If news is stored on the same machine you run Pine on, you can specify: news-collections=News *[*] 2. Via NNTP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where Pine is running. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu/nntp}[*] Alternatively, if the nntp-server variable is set, your news-collections will default to NNTP access from the same server. 3. Via IMAP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where news is stored. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu}[*] The advantage of option #3 is that the same .newsrc can be used for both Unix Pine and PC-Pine. The disadvantage is that you must have an account on the machine that stores the news and runs the NNTP server. ------------ Content-Description: Can I post news with Pine? Subject: Can I post news with Pine? Versions of Pine prior to Pine 3.90 do not support posting. In Pine 3.90 and later you can enter a list of newsgroups on the newsgrps: header to post a message. ------------ Content-Description: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Subject: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Pine does not currently support this directly, but here is a work-around: 1. Move the cursor to the Cc: line. 2. Enter the nickname or press Ctrl-T to search the addressbook and select the entry. 3. Use Ctrl-K to delete that address from the Cc: line. 4. Move the cursor where you want it in the body of the message. 5. Press Ctrl-U to insert the address. This is kind of a round-about way to get the job done, but it works... ------------ Content-Description: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Subject: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Pine does not do delivery filtering. That function is done by other programs, such as "procmail", or "filter" or "deliver". Once you have set-up your delivery filtering, e.g. via the "filter" program, then you will have new mail arriving in several different mailboxes/folders, in addition to your INBOX. So then the question becomes, how do you access those new "incoming message" folders that your favorite delivery filter program has created? Pine's answer is to let you specify them in your .pinerc, as in the example: incoming-folders=Art151 {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-art151, Art-L {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-Art-L, Old-Student-Acct {fozzie.elsewhere.edu}INBOX In this case, the pinerc entries presume that your delivery filtering program has been configured to put mail relating to the Art151 class into the folder "filter/to-art151" and mail relating to the Art-L mailing list into "filter/to-Art-L". From the Folders List screen, you can then easily access those folders. Eventually we will have a way to indicate which of these may have new mail waiting for you, so that you don't "forget" that you have more than one place to look for new mail... ------------ Content-Description: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Subject: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Yes. This is a new feature of Pine 3.90. It is handled as a "custom header" and can be added into that field via Pine's new configuration screen. ------------ Content-Description: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Subject: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Not currently. ------------ Content-Description: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. Subject: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. There are currently two ways to force a new mail check. * At the last message in a folder, press 'N' 4-5 times. * Press `Ctrl-L' (Refresh Display). ------------ Content-Description: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Subject: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? When viewing the message, use the '|' (Pipe) command and give it the following: tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]' -------------- --========== Content-Description: Installation and Configuration Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Installation and Configuration INSTALLATION AND CONFIGURATION ------------ Content-Description: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Subject: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Not yet, but Kerberos support is planned for a future release of Pine. If you have access to Kerberos or AFS compatible IMAP clients already, the following information may be useful. The current version of imapd does not support AFS or Kerberos authentication. However, the routine which validates authentication is designed as a drop-in module, to allow you to replace with alternative authentication schemes such as AFS, Kerberos, S/Key, etc. This routine is server_login(). Depending upon which version of c-client you have, it is either in the os__xxx_.c (where _xxx_ is the name of your port) or it is in a file named log__yyy_.c which is included by the os_xxx.c file. The log__yyy_.c is usually log_std.c (std for "standard UNIX"), but it may be log_sv4.c (SVR4) or a couple of other variants. This file only contains that one routine, so it should be a simple matter to modify that file and rebuild imapd. ------------ Content-Description: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? Subject: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? No. Neither Pine nor PC-Pine currently support POP's offline mail model (wherein pending mail is pulled from the mail server to the local machine and deleted from the server). However, it is likely that this model will be supported, with a choice of either IMAP or POP as the access protocol, in a future release. ------------ Content-Description: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Subject: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Using the Tenex format for INBOXes allows multiple sessions (or mulitple users, subject to the usual access controls) to have *almost* full Read-Write access to the INBOX. The only limitation on full RW access is that if there are multiple sessions at a given moment, no one can do an Expunge. However, message state changes (e.g. marking a msg as deleted) *can* be done, and this state is preserved across sessions. If an explicit Expunge cmd fails, it will say so and tell you that the mailbox is in use by another process. When there is only one session left using that mailbox, expunge will resume working again. In contrast: the normal Berkeley style folders can have only one RW client at a time, so _given the current software_ the latest session steals the RW lock away from any previous session, with the earlier session becoming RO. ------------ Content-Description: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, Unix Pine uses three configuration files: a system-wide file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, a system-wide non-overridable file /usr/local/lib/pine.fixed, and a personal configuration file ~/.pinerc. There are certain options which are only found in system wide configurations, others only found in personal configurations, and still others found in both. For settings found in both pine.conf and .pinerc, values in .pinerc take precedence over those in pine.conf, and settings in pine.conf.fixed take precedence over everything. If you need to generate a "blank" copy of the system wide configuration files, run "pine -conf > /usr/local/lib ". Pine automatically generates a .pinerc when a user starts Pine for the first time. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, PC-Pine uses the following rules for finding config and support files: 1. The location of the PINERC is searched for in the following order of precedence: 1. File pointed to by PINERC environment variable 2. $HOME\PINE\PINERC 3. A file named PINERC in the same directory as PINE.EXE 2. The HOME environment variable, if not set, defaults to root of the current working drive. 3. The default for external files (PINE.SIG and ADDRBOOK) is the same directory as the PINERC file. 4. The support files (PINE.HLP and PINE.NDX) are searched for in the same directory as PINE.EXE. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Subject: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Pine does not support some older terminals (e.g. tvi925, WYSE-60) very well. Some problems can be overcome with a proper termcap entry, but others, such as handling cursor keys, do not have a good solution. ------------ Content-Description: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Subject: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? You have several options: 1. Leave inbox in /usr/spool/mail, but turn on the Pine option to prompt users to move read messages to a folder in their home directory upon exiting Pine. 2. Modify your mail delivery program to deliver mail directly into the user's home directory, and specify that inbox-path in your global pine.conf (See the "tmail" program on ftp.cac.washington.edu for an example.) 3. "touch mail.txt" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.txt -- however, mail.txt will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder (faster, but non-standard). 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a Bky-format folder. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Conversions Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Conversions CONVERSIONS ------------ Content-Description: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Subject: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Regarding attachments: Pine uses the MIME Internet standard for this. MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) uses "Base64" encoding rather than uuencode, because uuencode uses characters that are transformed by some email gateways, and there are also several incompatible versions of uuencode. However, you can certainly uuencode a file outside of pine, then use the Composer's Ctrl-R (file inclusion) command to insert the encoded file in the message. If you use Pine's attachment feature, your recipient does need to have MIME-capable software. Fortunately, this is not hard to find. Even the major proprietary mail vendors have committed to MIME support, but some of their upgraded products are still some months away. One product which can decipher a MIME attachment is munpack from Carnegie Mellon. It is available from ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the /pub/mpack directory. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? Subject: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? A perl script (and conversion to C of same) that converts OpenWindows mail to MIME. Body parts currently supported are: text, gif, Sun rasterfile (converted to image/gif), postscript, and audio. Other types default to application/octet-stream. It's easy to extend the set of types supported and to add conversions, if necessary. The script requires uuencode, uudecode, zcat (aka uncompress), and the "convert" program from ImageMagick. If you don't have ImageMagick you can probably substitute the pbm stuff with little fuss. The program is available via ftp from cs.utk.edu in pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.perl or pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.c _[Keith Moore ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? The Pine source distribution includes a shell script to do this in the contrib/utils directory. It is called brk2pine.sh. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Here's a little script one of our UNIX folks worked up to handle conversion of elm aliases to pine alias form (pretty simple syntax substitution). If you execute it multiple times it will keep adding another set of your elm aliases to your pine addressbook. #!/bin/csh #!/bin/csh -vx # convert elm aliases.text to pine addressbook # Greg Gustafson # UMD Information Services # January 1993 # if -r $HOME/.elm/aliases.text then if -e $HOME/.addressbook then set n=1 while (-e $HOME/.addressbook$n) @ n++ end mv $HOME/.addressbook $HOME/.addressbook$n endif ex - $HOME/.elm/aliases.text _[Joel Ness ]_ -------------- --========== Content-Description: Development Info Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Development Info DEVELOPMENT INFO ------------ Content-Description: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? Subject: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? The current version of Pine is 3.90. The current version of Pico is 2.4. ------------ Content-Description: What is new in this version of Pine? Subject: What is new in this version of Pine? These are the changes and improvements since Pine 3.89: * Finished all the "Not implemented yet" commands: + Bounce (Remail) + Flag (Set message status) + Pipe (Pipe msg to external cmd; Unix only) + Select,Apply,Zoom (Aggregate operations) + Setup/Config (Pinerc configuration screen) * News posting * News subscription/unsubscription * Multiple address books * Postpone multiple messages * Customizable headers for Composer * Mailcap support * Improved support for multiple incoming message folders * enable-alternate-editor-implicitly feature (except for editing headers) * All .pinerc features now settable from command line * Way to control which options are user-configurable (Unix only) * Way to have Save *not* implicitly delete * Way to use current-working-directory for Export, Read File, etc. * A _preliminary_ version of PC-Pine for Windows/Winsock (but not OS/2) ------------ Content-Description: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? Subject: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? We don't know right now, we just released this version. Besides, our track-record on meeting projected release schedules is terrible, so you shouldn't believe any dates we are foolish enough to suggest anyway. ------------ Content-Description: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? Subject: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? * Additional MIME support, esp. controlling file TYPING * PEM and/or PGP support * External directory services access * Kerberos support * RFC 1522 header encoding for 8bit character sets * Location independence of support files * Offline support * Hierarchy support (awaits IMAP4) * Answered flag not set if Reply is postponed (awaits IMAP4) * Faster detection of folders with Recent messages (awaits IMAP4) * Faster fetching of headers (awaits IMAP4) * Determination of which flags are permanent (awaits IMAP4) -------------- --==========-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 15:09:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18670; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:09:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19383; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:02:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19377; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:02:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtN2t-00000AC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fredf@aps.org (Fred Firestine) Subject: Pine 3.90: Hostname included incorrecty when replying Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: Hi, First of all, let me say I am impressed with the enhancements made coming from the previous version. My only problem is this: I have been trying to make sense of the "user-domain" and "use-only-domain-name" fields. When someone at host A (using Pine 3.90) receives a message from someone at host B (using mailx), with *no domain name* in the From: field, and then the person at host A tries to reply, Pine 3.90 generates the following address: user@A.domain.name In short, it seems we can't get rid of the default use of our hostname in replies to folks who are in our domain, but on another host. Is there a configuration variable or compile option I am missing here? Thanks for your help. Because I have no direct Usenet access, I would appreciate a direct reply. Fred Firestine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 15:48:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20422; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:48:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26008; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:43:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26002; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:43:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtNiC-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 21:32:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <371vcr$9rq@news.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The fact that brain damaged newsreaders leave them in when > >composing mailed replies is not reason to change the current > >definitions of mail. > Do you really think that TRN, TIN, and NN are brain damaged? In TRN it is only the default $MAILHEADER format which can be changed real easy. So chalk trn up with pine and xrn and the brain damage prevalence drops to 50 %. > It seems clear that if there is going to be a standard header that means > that a mail message was simultaneously mailed and posted it will have > to be something other than the Newsgroups: header. What do people think > of Posted-To:? Unlike Newsgroups Posted-To has the disadvantage that most of the currently existing integrated mail and news readers would ignore it. I also find it more beautiful for the same information to have the same name in news and mail. After all, you do not have to rename From, Subject, Date & Co. either when gating between mail and news. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 16:24:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22934; Fri, 7 Oct 94 16:24:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21164; Fri, 7 Oct 94 16:18:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21155; Fri, 7 Oct 94 16:17:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtOFs-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 15:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 7 Oct 1994 16:29:51 -0500 Message-Id: <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <36voi9$rmq@mp.cs.niu.edu> In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. >Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or >from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all >a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as indicating a news article. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 18:09:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27533; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:09:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29324; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:03:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29318; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:03:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtPsd-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 17:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: covert from elm to pine Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:17:25 GMT In helal@cse.uta.edu (Abdelsalam Helal) writes: | Hello there! Could anybody please give me a pointer of a program that | could translate from elm's alias file to pine's addressbook. I quickly punched a Perl program to do exactly this to please the users at our site. It is not polished, not documented, but it worked for me and I haven't heard any complaints from the users. It's small, so I just appened it below. 'elm2pine' in a shar file. If it helps you, use it, change it, just don't sell it :-) Good luck. --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] ----------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~edwin --------------------------- #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) # made 10/07/1994 22:12 UTC by edwin@cs.ruu.nl # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 3564 -rwxr-xr-x elm2pine # if touch 2>&1 | fgrep 'amc' > /dev/null then TOUCH=touch else TOUCH=true fi # ============= elm2pine ============== echo "x - extracting elm2pine (Text)" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > elm2pine && X#!/net/bin/perl X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# elm2pine - convert Elm-2.4 aliases file to Pine 3.90 format X# (writes result to standard-output) X# X# 1.0 EHK 02-Sep-94 from scratch X# 1.1 EHK 03-Sep-94 fix continuation-line parsing bug, resulting in X# duplicate partial distribution-lists. Actually, I X# got the documentation wrong at first glance, so this X# is more of a major rewrite than just a bug fix... X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X$P = 'elm2pine' ; X X$home = $ENV{'HOME'} || die "Can't find your HOME directory: $!" ; X$elm = "$home/.elm/aliases.text" ; X Xopen(ELM, "< $elm") || die "You don't have Elm aliases in your ~/.elm directory: $!" ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 1 : read the entire alias file in core; do some minimal processing X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 1 -- reading aliases '$elm'...\n" ; Xwhile ( ) { X chop ; X next if ( /^$/ || /^#/ ) ; # skip comment and blank lines X X # delete blanks around the Elm aliases field-seperator '=' X # and around the Elm-specials ',' and ';' X s/\s*([=,;])\s*/\1/g ; X X # if we have leading blanks, this must be a continuation line X if ( /^[\t\s]/ ) { X # which we can only have if we've seen a nickname already X if ( ! defined($nickname) ) { X print STDERR "$P: ERROR: continuation line without prefix ignored: '$_' \n" ; X next ; X } X X s/^\s+// ; # get rid of the leading blanks X $alias{$nickname} .= "$_" ; X $clines++ ; X } X else { X if ( $clines ) { X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $clines continuation-line(s) joined.\n" ; X $clines = 0 ; X } X undef($nickname); X ($nickname, $fullname, $address) = split(/=/) ; X $fullname = "*none-given*" if ( $fullname eq '' ) ; X X # Elm has multiple-nicknames, so we have to duplicated X # them for Pine to maintain the same information X @nnames = split(/,/, $nickname) ; X if ( $#nnames > 0 ) { X $multi_aliases = $#nnames + 1 ; X print STDERR "$P: [OK] $multi_aliases multiple-aliases duplicated.\n" ; X } X foreach $nname ( @nnames ) { X $alias{$nname} = "$fullname#$address" ; X } X } X} Xclose(ELM) ; X X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X# Pass 2 : convert to Pine format. Add default Fcc-field, optional comment X# and apply Pine semantics to Elm-special chars ';' and ',' X#--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xprint STDERR "$P: Pass 2 -- converting Elm aliases to Pine format...\n" ; X$aliasc = 0 ; Xforeach $nickname (sort keys(%alias)) { X $_ = $alias{$nickname} ; X $aliasc++ ; X X ( $fullname, $addrlist ) = split(/\#/) ; X X # anything after a ',' in the fullname is optional comment X if ( $fullname =~ /,/ ) { X $fullname =~ s/(.*),(.*)/\1/ ; X $comment = "$2" ; X } X else { X $comment = '' ; X } X X # a ';' in the fullname for Elm, must be a ',' for Pine X $fullname =~ s/;/, / ; X X # distribution-list aliases need brackets X $addrlist = "(" . "$addrlist" . ")" if ( $addrlist =~ /,/ ) ; X X # output as Pine aliases now: X # TABTAB
TABTAB X # [Aaaaaaaaaarrrrggggggggggggghhhhhh.... why the !&^@#$^$% `TAB' :--( X X $, = "\t" ; X print $nickname, $fullname, $addrlist ; X X # if we have a comment-field, we will put in a Fcc-field as well X print "\t$nickname\t$comment" if ($comment ne '') ; X print "\n" ; X} X Xprint STDERR "$P: [OK] successfully converted $aliasc aliases.\n" ; X Xexit 0 ; X X__END__ SHAR_EOF $TOUCH -am 0903221994 elm2pine && chmod 0755 elm2pine || echo "restore of elm2pine failed" set `wc -c elm2pine`;Wc_c=$1 if test "$Wc_c" != "3564"; then echo original size 3564, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 18:57:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29114; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:57:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24140; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:52:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24134; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:52:01 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19964; Fri, 7 Oct 94 18:52:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) In-Reply-To: <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > > >"Steven D. Majewski" writes: > >Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. > >Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or > >from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all > >a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. > > The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. Depends on the folder format. The "From " separator line of course is not part of the message. > News articles have no "From " line. They may, in the same sense that mail messages do. All of the newsreaders I use (rn, trn, etc) save in mbox format and have "From " separator lines. You obviously prefer a different configuration. > Therefore Pine must create that line. The tool that stored the message created that line. This may or may not have been Pine. > It could easily create it in a > special format which Pine recognizes as indicating a news article. Sorry, but there is no dependable context for making any such assumption, especially when the same message might really have been both mailed and posted. Pine gets whatever it is given, and that may be a message in any of a dozen different mailbox formats, created by any one of many different tools. As was said previously: you have only the message headers to go on. But let's talk about *assumptions*. A lot of this thread contains strong criticism of Pine that is based on *assumptions* (not facts) about whether Pine is making unwarranted *assumptions* about what to do with messages containing a newsgroups header. In fact, Pine does not assume anything in this situation. It asks the user what they want to do. More than once. Here's exactly what happens when I Reply to a message that contains a Newsgroups header: 1. Pine prompts me with: "Post follow-up message to news group(s)? " (the default is NO) 2. If I say Yes, then it clearly shows all the newsgroups in the composer. 3. If I then ^X to send, Pine makes sure that the headers are visible on the screen so I can re-check where the msg is going, then it asks for confirmation... If I confirm, and there is a Newsgroups header, I then get an ADDITIONAL prompt: 4. "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post?" (the default is NO) Given that it is impossible to correctly *assume* the correct action in such situations, what would you have Pine do differently? -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 20:10:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00767; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:10:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25024; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:03:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25018; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:03:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtRmz-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 19:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: New user requires help. Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:52:08 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct5.210722.13290@Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct5.210722.13290@Princeton.EDU> .pine-debug files are normal. The last one is .pine-debug1 and the oldest is .pine-debug4. They do come in handy when trying to track down certain problems, so we keep them on by default.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Adam Cox wrote: > Date: Wed, 5 OCT 1994 21:07:22 GMT > From: Adam Cox > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: New user requires help. > > In article , Keith Cordon wrote: > >I have only just discovered PINE so please bear with me. > >Can someone please email me with information on how to stop the creation > >of enourmous .pine-debug files everytime I use pine. > >Also is there a FAQ for pine users? I've managed to get to grips with > >most of it but I have a few questions.... > >Many Thanks > > i get the same pine-debug files. four of them build up and then they stop > (i don't know f they are rewriting to those four or not - haven't > checked). anyone know what the cause of it is? > > adam > > - i could post one of the files to be examined... > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 20:10:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00769; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:10:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01189; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:03:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01183; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:03:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtRmy-00000AC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 19:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Bug in pine 3.90? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:44:22 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Check for a read-message-folder in the user's .pinerc and delete it if present... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, Jim Hribnak wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 OCT 1994 17:28:30 GMT > From: Jim Hribnak > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Bug in pine 3.90? > > > One user on our system (so far) is getting the following: > > Bug in Pine detected: "Recieved abort signal" > > > He gets this when quitting pine every time and produces a core.pine file > (I am on BSDI/386 v1.1) > > I use pine constantly all day long and I have never encountered this.. > > > Jim Hribnak Nucleus Information Service > VP Operations, Nucleus Inc. 55 Lines (403)531-9353 (2400) > ----------------------------------------- (403)531-9370 (19200) > hribnak@nucleus.com (403)249-9009 (voice) > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 20:28:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01111; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:28:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01451; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:23:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01443; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:23:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtS4a-000008C; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:27:19 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36voi9$rmq@mp.cs.niu.edu> <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > Date: 7 OCT 1994 16:29:51 -0500 > From: Neil Rickert > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) > > In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: > > >Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. > > >Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or > >from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all > >a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. > > The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles > have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It > could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as > indicating a news article. > That is only in one mailbox format, and besides, what if it is saved from TRN? It doesn't know this magic incantation... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 21:24:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01990; Fri, 7 Oct 94 21:24:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25890; Fri, 7 Oct 94 21:18:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25884; Fri, 7 Oct 94 21:18:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtSvh-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 20:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:50:00 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <374std$htv@crl8.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <374std$htv@crl8.crl.com> On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > > >"Steven D. Majewski" writes: > >Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. > >Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or > >from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all > >a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. > > The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. Depends on the folder format. The "From " separator line of course is not part of the message. > News articles have no "From " line. They may, in the same sense that mail messages do. All of the newsreaders I use (rn, trn, etc) save in mbox format and have "From " separator lines. You obviously prefer a different configuration. > Therefore Pine must create that line. The tool that stored the message created that line. This may or may not have been Pine. > It could easily create it in a > special format which Pine recognizes as indicating a news article. Sorry, but there is no dependable context for making any such assumption, especially when the same message might really have been both mailed and posted. Pine gets whatever it is given, and that may be a message in any of a dozen different mailbox formats, created by any one of many different tools. As was said previously: you have only the message headers to go on. But let's talk about *assumptions*. A lot of this thread contains strong criticism of Pine that is based on *assumptions* (not facts) about whether Pine is making unwarranted *assumptions* about what to do with messages containing a newsgroups header. In fact, Pine does not assume anything in this situation. It asks the user what they want to do. More than once. Here's exactly what happens when I Reply to a message that contains a Newsgroups header: 1. Pine prompts me with: "Post follow-up message to news group(s)? " (the default is NO) 2. If I say Yes, then it clearly shows all the newsgroups in the composer. 3. If I then ^X to send, Pine makes sure that the headers are visible on the screen so I can re-check where the msg is going, then it asks for confirmation... If I confirm, and there is a Newsgroups header, I then get an ADDITIONAL prompt: 4. "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post?" (the default is NO) Given that it is impossible to correctly *assume* the correct action in such situations, what would you have Pine do differently? -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 22:16:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03003; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:16:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26510; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:09:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26504; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:09:37 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22912; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:09:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Fred Firestine Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90: Hostname included incorrecty when replying In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fred, There are some rough edges in this area in 3.90. In 3.91, if "user-domain" is set, it will be used to complete "local" or unqualified names. -teg On 7 Oct 1994, Fred Firestine wrote: > Hi, > > First of all, let me say I am impressed with the enhancements made coming > from the previous version. My only problem is this: I have been trying to > make sense of the "user-domain" and "use-only-domain-name" fields. When > someone at host A (using Pine 3.90) receives a message from someone at > host B (using mailx), with *no domain name* in the From: field, and then > the person at host A tries to reply, Pine 3.90 generates the following > address: > > user@A.domain.name > > In short, it seems we can't get rid of the default use of our hostname in > replies to folks who are in our domain, but on another host. Is there a > configuration variable or compile option I am missing here? > > Thanks for your help. Because I have no direct Usenet access, I would > appreciate a direct reply. > > Fred Firestine > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 22:16:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03014; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:16:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02796; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:10:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02790; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:10:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtThh-00000JC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 21:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Message-Id: References: <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> <371pgv$730@news.halcyon.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 04:05:30 GMT According to Nancy McGough : > Because of the X-Response-To-Message-In: header I know that he is > responding to a message that was crossposted to soc.history.science > and sci.philosophy.tech so I can go take a look at both these newsgroups > to read the discussion. In my mind this is the existing function of the Newsgroups header in a mailed newsarticle (where was the discussion occurring that prompted this message), thus your Newsgroups header could have been set to the two newsgroups, the X-Response-To-Message-In header eliminated, and the X-Posted-To (or Also-Posted-To would be nice) providing the information that it is ok to reply via mail and newsgroup. -- Wayne Davison davison@borland.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 22:50:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03657; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:50:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26936; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:45:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26930; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:45:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtUGW-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 22:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: st93kbtb@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Jatzen Boke) Subject: Porting Pine/Pico Date: 8 Oct 1994 01:06:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3759d1$n8p@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> Does anyone out there have or know of a ported version of either pine or pico for a pyramid computer. The computer is running BSD 4.3 but pine will not compile under the system(at least not so it will run). I can rewrite the code as a last resort, but it's been a long time since I've programmed in unix for machine incompatibilites. Any help would be appreciated. -John D. Riley jatzen@hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu st93kbtb@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 23:16:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04169; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:16:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03517; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:11:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03511; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:11:43 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07021; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:11:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: Tim McDowell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Need help with Pine-Eudora interaction!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can open the INBOX readonly with "pine -o". Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 7 Oct 1994, Tim McDowell wrote: > Hi: > My boss reads his mail using Pine, and leaves it in the in box. Later Iam expected to come into the same account using Eudora and bring the mail up unto my laptop for printing. The trouble is it appears that Eudora picks up on > the fact that the mail was marked read by Pine, and does not download it to my > laptop. QUESTION: Is there a way to configure Pine so that it does not mark > messages as read so that when I come in to the mail under Eudora I get all the > mail downloaded to me. I'd greatly appreciate a response to my email at > mcdowelt@rintintin.colorado.edu. > > Tim > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 7 23:48:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04692; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:48:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03873; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:44:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03867; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:44:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtVCq-00000DC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 23:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davidh@crl.com (David Herron) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Message-Id: <374std$htv@crl8.crl.com> Date: 8 Oct 94 01:33:33 GMT References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Oh yeah .. a couple details: In PathWay Access/Mail (not technically the right name for the product) when "replying" to a message the action taken varied depending on which folder you were in. i.e. whether it was a News message or Mail message. News: Ask whether to post followup or send mail. If sending mail whether to reply to everybody or just sender. Ask whether/how to include text in reply. Mail: Ask whether to reply to everybody or just sender. Ask whether/how to include text in reply. David From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 07:20:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14150; Sat, 8 Oct 94 07:20:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03260; Sat, 8 Oct 94 07:15:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03254; Sat, 8 Oct 94 07:15:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtcDx-00000BC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 06:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: RE: Pine 3.90 on VMS Message-Id: <1994Oct8.095656.184@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 8 Oct 94 09:56:56 GMT References: <0098588C.34CB0A49.3@vax.ox.ac.uk> >> > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I >> > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form >> > >> > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters > ... > 1. This 'feature' was not in the beta-test versions of VMS Pine > > 2. I thought that the whole point of porting software is to make it work in the > target environment. A 'port' which won't compile is not much use to anyone. Once again: This is a warnning and not a fatal error, so simply ignore it. Instead of modifying all PINE sources and make them totally incompatible with the original release I've decided to live with the warnnings. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 09:34:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16484; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:34:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04894; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:30:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04888; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:30:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qteMW-00000JC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Don Fnordlioni Subject: Super Newbie question. (newsreading) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yep, I'm a real newbie, and this is a real newbie question. I can't, for the life of me, find where the 'mark as read' command is, re: reading usenet news. I'd hate to have to delete everything, in case I did end up wanting to backtrack. Any suggestions? (e-mail preferred, as I don't keep up on this newsgroup.) Thanks, Tod From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 09:34:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16505; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:34:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11231; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:30:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11225; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:30:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qteMf-00000LC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: siberia@usis.com (Kimberly Long) Subject: Re: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? Date: 6 Oct 1994 03:36:53 GMT Message-Id: <36vrcl$hr6@news.usis.com> References: Howard Altschuler (altschh@iia.org) wrote: : > On 27 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: : > : > > I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via : > > crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! : > [snip] I am having the same problem. I use crosstalk as well. I made the mistake of trying to paste a two page article into email. It took about 40 minutes. If you get an answer to this question please share. :) Namaste' Kimberly Long siberia@usis.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 10:16:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17224; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:16:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11572; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:01:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11566; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:01:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtenu-00000BC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 09:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 12:10:04 -0400 Message-Id: <781632604.29505.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) writes: > According to Nancy McGough : > > Because of the X-Response-To-Message-In: header I know that he is > > responding to a message that was crossposted to soc.history.science > > and sci.philosophy.tech so I can go take a look at both these newsgroups > > to read the discussion. > > In my mind this is the existing function of the Newsgroups header in > a mailed newsarticle (where was the discussion occurring that prompted > this message) Please point to a formal specification which defines "Newsgroups" with such a meaning. The only specification I know of defines the "Newsgroups" header as a list of newsgroups to which the message was posted. Any other use of that header is a violation of that spec and is misleading in situations where news & mail can't be distinguished. Besides, it's obviously bad practice to have the same header have two different meanings. - Chris Newman Carnegie Mellon University Computing Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 10:49:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17869; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:49:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05834; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:45:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05828; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:45:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtfXZ-00000BC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Seibel Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:27:56 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> <371eau$h4l@mp.cs.niu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <371eau$h4l@mp.cs.niu.edu> Neil, Thanks for the thoughtful clarification; you bring up some valid points. Specific comments such as these go a long way toward making Pine a better product. I'll not try to duplicate other's comments from this thread, but to provide some word from the Pine Team on the underlying motivation for what you found. It's unfortunate that your initial Pine experience was in an environment Pine was not specifically designed to fit. We don't actively develop under SunOS or Solaris, but when work is done, it's based on the native compilers. Our goal is, of course, to keep the scripts, makefiles, and code as portable and general as possible, but, as always, there is room for improvement. We will do our best, as time permits, to remedy this situation. What Pine *is* designed to be is as equally non-threatening to *both* the neophyte user and the neophyte system administrator. With the latter in mind, it is deemed more useful to group configuration data requiring local modification, both OS-dependent and not, in a single location rather than require an unfamiliar sys-admin to scan several files before becoming confident (OK, semi-confident) that Pine will behave in a desired way. We hold that the sophisticated sys-admin in a heterogenous environment already has the tools to deal with this case. Of course, it's clear we've not completely tackled the single-config challenge, as there are pieces of the Pine puzzle that were initially and continue to be developed independent of Pine. Likewise, with this goal in mind, it isn't clear to us that the problems self-configuring tools can introduce offset their usefulness in our situation. Thus, this avenue was also not taken. Furthermore, we feel ease of configuration should extend to installation as well. That's why Pine on Unix is obese. The fewer auxiliary files an unfamiliar sys-admin is required to position in just the right place the better. This is key during both the initial installation and subsequent upgrades. Another reason is that we distribute pre-compiled copies of each release. A single binary is much simpler to fetch and install than a tar'd package of several files to, in turn, get deposited throughout the system. As for your other points, I'll concede that, for a seasoned, knowledgeable user, some of Pine's behavior may seem less than efficient. However, very few user interface decisions are considered outside the context of the fundamentals we see as requisite of a tool intended for the novice user. In short, this means fewer commands, more prompts, more verbose feedback, and more menus than you might see in a tool targeted at users interested in or familiar with the computing-end of electronic communication. I'm not saying Pine's completely achieved it's ease of use goals. There are certainly some rough edges due to poor decisions early in development, underlying technological limits and such, but we're always trying to improve. That said, thank's again for your comments, and if you have any other specific concerns, please feel free to make them known to the Pine Team . And now back to preparing for 3.91... (due RSN) Michael Seibel Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 11:13:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18249; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:13:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12352; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:08:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12346; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:08:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtfpi-00000IC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Fuzzy) Subject: can PINE 3.89 block incoming mail.. Date: 8 Oct 1994 17:19:17 GMT Message-Id: <376kal$kh7@news.panix.com> is there a way to block (killfile) email from a specific "userid@machine.domain.name" ? thanks in advance ... Your Friend, _____ __ __ ____ ____ __ __ / ___// // //__ )/__ )\ \/ / / __/ / // / / /__ / /__\ / (_/ (____/ <____/<____//_/ Email: fuzzy@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (non-anon) an72289@anon.penet.fi (true anon) wi.687@wizvax.com (true anon) anon-2986@twwells.com (true anon) ================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQCNAi4RAFMAAAEEANX2Ag3Tpif6YQMcB380Fb4azUfD6Me+eLYen62KT+IOPRby Sv8znFUT6UDNV7/YYVa8WpnGaDh2mry5UmoqvNkWZ1ngcl2x6wbOvJnunohDpEG8 gqxZ7mGP6G+ejRyT/kULNV96G9q/zlcJMCJD9La6KRlwo/U6s4TbvzdMEt9NAAUR tCVGdXp6eSA8ZnV6enlAZnV6enkuZGlhbHVwLmFjY2Vzcy5uZXQ+ =W71C ----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 12:03:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19283; Sat, 8 Oct 94 12:03:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06809; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:59:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06803; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:59:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtgbE-00000BC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 11:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:30:16 GMT Message-Id: <781625255.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> References: <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <371vcr$9rq@news.halcyon.com> In article , Roman Czyborra wrote: >Unlike Newsgroups Posted-To has the disadvantage that most of the >currently existing integrated mail and news readers would ignore it. This is an advantage. It will prevent some "helpful" intermediate mailer from redirecting a message someplace it wasn't wanted. Using current systems, it is quite common for "Newsgroups:" to appear in a header of something intended for mail only. It would be a violation of ethics for a "helpful" intermediate mailer to take the existance of that header as meaning "post this to the newsgroups listed." >I also find it more beautiful for the same information to have the >same name in news and mail. It doesn't mean the same thing, it should be named differently. >After all, you do not have to rename >From, Subject, Date & Co. either when gating between mail and news. Those mean the same thing. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 14:07:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21565; Sat, 8 Oct 94 14:07:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14408; Sat, 8 Oct 94 14:03:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14402; Sat, 8 Oct 94 14:03:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qticI-00000iC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 13:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:33:23 -0500 Message-Id: <376vmj$12a@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> <371pgv$730@news.halcyon.com> <781632604.29505.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In <781632604.29505.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Chris Newman writes: > davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) writes: >> In my mind this is the existing function of the Newsgroups header in >> a mailed newsarticle (where was the discussion occurring that prompted >> this message) >Please point to a formal specification which defines "Newsgroups" with >such a meaning. The only specification I know of defines the >"Newsgroups" header as a list of newsgroups to which the message was >posted. Any other use of that header is a violation of that spec and >is misleading in situations where news & mail can't be distinguished. That is plain wrong. The "Newsgroups:" header is defined for news in RFC1036. The use of "Newsgroups" in email is not a violation of RFC1036. It cannot be a violation of RFC1036, since that document does not apply to mail. The definition of headers for mail is given in RFC882. The use of "Newsgroups:" in an email message, for any reason at all, does not contradict or violate anything in RFC882. It has become common practice to use "Newsgroups:" as an email header in replies to news articles. If we were to disallow the development of common practice and insist that no technological innovation occur until after the RFC has been approved, we would probably still be back in the dark ages. >Besides, it's obviously bad practice to have the same header have two >different meanings. As commonly used, the "Newsgroups:" header has only one context-sensitive meaning. That meaning is: when used for usenet postings, it lists the groups to which the message is posted; when used in email, it lists the usenet groups in which the discussion originated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 15:49:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23554; Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:49:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09602; Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:40:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09596; Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:40:48 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01183; 8 Oct 94 18:40 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA13182; Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:40:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:40:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Neil Rickert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) In-Reply-To: <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: > > >Pine is clearly doing (more or less) the "Right Thing" here. > > >Once a message has been moved - from either INBOX (mail) or > >from the news spool or nntp-server into another folder, all > >a mail/news-reader has to go on is what's in the header. > > The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles > have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It > could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as > indicating a news article. > Not (always) true. ( All my messages from [t]rn and tin are saved in mbox format. ) -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 16:59:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24859; Sat, 8 Oct 94 16:59:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10491; Sat, 8 Oct 94 16:52:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.209.19.1] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10479; Sat, 8 Oct 94 16:52:46 -0700 Received: by library.sbuniv.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA01551; Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:53:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:53:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Nebel To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) In-Reply-To: <3739o4$jmp@vodka.wlo.dec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My $.02. I for one agree with Chris. Of course if Mr. Rickert can write a better mail package and provide on-going enhancements and support free of charge I'm sure that everyone would be happy to move over to it. Rick Nebel On 7 Oct 1994, Chris Hedley wrote: > On 6 Oct 1994 13:06:22 -0500, Neil Rickert (rickert@cs.niu.edu) wrote: > > 1: It is a bitch to install. > > No more so than any other public domain software. In my experience, Pine > was one of the easier packages to install that wasn't developed specifically > for my type of system. Having to redefine the compiler type does not > seem to me to be a major effort, especially bearing in mind some of the > far more serious problems I have encountered with other packages; doing > some minor tweaking to the makefiles is no big thing when you > consider the amount of work that has gone into a program of this scale > which is then freely distributed! > > > 2: It is excessively obese. > > Not a problem on demand-paged systems such as Unix and VMS, which are > the most common platforms for Pine. Your claim that the help information > must be loaded into memory whenever the software is used is incorrect. > > > 3: It screws up message status of the default mailbox. > > > It always opens my default mailbox, whether I want it to > > or not. The status of messages in that mailbox changes > > from New to Unread, even though I have not asked to > > read the mailbox, and have not seen the list of messages > > in that mailbox. > > I haven't noticed it trying to open the default mailbox if I specify an > alternative on the command line. As for changing the status of new messages > to unread, every mailer I have used does this (correctly in my opinion). > > > 4: The menu interface is tedious and unintuitive. > > 5: Poorly timed user unfriendly prompts. > > These are your opinions. Whilst you are entitled to them, please > don't use them as reasons to substantiate your claim that the software > is "junk". My opinion (which is independant, I have no connection with > the Pine development team) is that Pine 3.90 is by far the best character- > cell based mailing system available for Unix platforms that I have used, > combining a large number of powerful features with an easy to use and > pleasant user interface. And it's free. > Cheers, > > Chris. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 8 23:06:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01838; Sat, 8 Oct 94 23:06:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15034; Sat, 8 Oct 94 23:02:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15025; Sat, 8 Oct 94 23:02:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qtr1X-00000BC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 22:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rrkarun@umanitoba.ca (Ken Arundell) Subject: Newbie re: Pine Inbox Date: 9 Oct 1994 05:24:58 GMT Message-Id: <377ura$8p5@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> I'm using Pine on a PC with Chameleon and having problems establishing INBOX. I have set it for {mail.cc.umanitoba.ca}inbox as per what appears to be the directions supplied. However, every time I load Pine, I get a message like this: "Can't connect to mira.cc.umanitoba.ca,143: Refused (10061)" I have tried all kinds of variations of the {computer.name} without success, and would appreciate suggestions/help/etc. -- Ken Arundell (rrkarun@umanitoba.ca) Red River Community College Portage la Prairie, MB Portage Regional Centre Canada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 09:30:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13397; Sun, 9 Oct 94 09:30:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28124; Sun, 9 Oct 94 09:16:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from edison.eng.auburn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28118; Sun, 9 Oct 94 09:16:08 -0700 Received: from netman.eng.auburn.edu (netman.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.12.24]) by edison.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA15513 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 1994 11:16:07 -0500 From: Doug Hughes Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by netman.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA15345 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Sun, 9 Oct 1994 11:16:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 11:16:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199410091616.LAA15345@netman.eng.auburn.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: bug in pine: "Append Validity Error" - PC-NFS 5.0 Content-Length: 798 I'm having the above message with PC-NFS5.0 when trying to compose a message. It happens always when trying to write the FCC. I've fooled around with the FCC options, and have figured out a way to send mail, although it's a real hack.. You have to change the FCC in setup from default to by-user.. and then when you compose, when the fcc field pops-up after you enter the To: field, delete everything in the FCC field.. then the message will send.. Also, if there is already a sentmail folder (file).. pine will say sentmail folder does not exist, create it? And if you answer yes it will say, "sentmail already exists, permission denied". Seems kind of funny to contradict itself like that.. Any clues? Doug Hughes Engineering Network Services doug@eng.auburn.edu Auburn University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 10:29:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14277; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:29:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28858; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:23:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28852; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:23:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu1iH-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christophe Babilotte Subject: Looking for a mail program Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 12:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi!! Is there any program that I could retrive from the net and that will do the following: for example say I am on vacation and I would like to send an e-mail back saying that I am on Vacation to incoming mail. so if you know where I can get it you can just reply to my message. thanks!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christophe Babilotte . . ==================== | | cbabil@zeus.towson.edu | _ | cbabil@charm.net ______________|_( )_|______________ s72ucba@toe.towson o +|+ [ ( o ) ] +|+ o http://www.charm.net/~cbabil/ *[_]---[_]* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 10:59:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14872; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:59:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29253; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:54:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29247; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:53:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu27h-00000DC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: taishing@access.ods.gulfnet.kw (NOBODY!) Subject: Compiling Pine: libcrypt.a = ouch Date: 9 Oct 1994 17:24:06 GMT Message-Id: <3798vm$577@gulfa.ods.gulfnet.kw> Greetings, I'm trying to compile pine3.90, the platform is an SCO V/386 3.2. Every thing runs fine, pico is nicely built, the problem is in pine. When using gcc first, many errors occured in a file/function called memmove2.c, with cc only a warning is shown and it runs till it reaches "mtest.c" which requiers an encryption library (~/crypt/libcrypt.a). unfortunately removing the " -lcrypt " from the makefiles does not solve the problem, which is: This library is not available. Even in most sites which hold GNU releases, the file "gclib-crypt.tar.gz" does not hold that library. If anybody knows an equivilent or any way to get over this problem, help is really needed. Thank You & Best Regards. Abdalla. -- __________________________________________________________ | taishing@access.ods.gulfnet.kw | | q8@netcom.com | | lzx@universe.digex.net | | Go for the longest! | |_________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 11:01:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14933; Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:01:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23264; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:53:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23258; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:53:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu27D-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 10:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rainbow@news.acns.nwu.edu (Hiroe Tsuru) Subject: Using addressbook from earlier versions in Pine 3.90 Date: 9 Oct 1994 17:28:26 GMT Message-Id: <37997q$lht@news.acns.nwu.edu> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 11:50:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15884; Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:50:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23772; Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:39:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from edison.eng.auburn.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23764; Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:38:57 -0700 Received: from xtester (xtester.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.12.130]) by edison.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA17261; Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:38:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 12:35:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Hughes To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: winsock pine composing problems X-Sender: doug@mailhost.eng.auburn.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After composing a message and pressing ctrl-X and pressing Y to confirm delivery, pine hangs.. no response.. This is winsock version of pine using the PCNFS5.0 winsock. Here is pinedebg.txt: (All features have default values) Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.90 Sun Oct 09 12:22:04 1994 reading_pinerc "C:\pine\pinerc" Read 6136 characters: ========== Current_val options set ========== user-domain : eng.auburn.edu smtp-server : mailhost inbox-path : {mailhost}INBOX folder-collections : c:\mail\[] default-fcc : sentmail postponed-folder : postpond mail-directory : mail signature-file : pine.sig address-book : addrbook feature-list : signature-at-bottom saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.90 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no newsrc-path : C:\pine\NEWSRC folder-extension : MTX normal-foreground-co : black normal-background-co : white reverse-foreground-c : cyan reverse-background-c : blue ========== Command_line_val options set ========== ========== User_val (pinerc) options set ========== personal-name : Doug Hughes user-id : doug user-domain : eng.auburn.edu smtp-server : mailhost inbox-path : {mailhost}INBOX folder-collections : c:\mail\[] feature-list : signature-at-bottom saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender fcc-name-rule : default-fcc last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.90 normal-foreground-co : black normal-background-co : white reverse-foreground-c : cyan reverse-background-c : blue ========== Fixed_val (pine.conf.fixed, overrides all) options set ========== Userid: doug Fullname: "Doug Hughes" User domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" Local Domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" Host name being used "xtester.eng.auburn.edu" Mail Domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" MAILCAP: file: "C:\pine\\MAILCAP" MAILCAP: Cannot read file C:\pine\\MAILCAP MAILCAP: file: "C:\WINPINE\\MAILCAP" MAILCAP: Cannot read file C:\WINPINE\\MAILCAP Context c:\mail\[] type: LOCAL About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" IMAP mm_notify NIL : {mailhost}INBOX : edison IMAP2bis Service 7.8(88) at Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:25:02 -0500 (CDT) Opened folder "{mailhost.eng.auburn.edu}INBOX" with 22 messages Sorting by Arrival IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- Want_to read: c (99) ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: c:\mail\postpond Want_to read: y (121) IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Mailbox is empty ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd IMA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 14:08:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18247; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:08:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25395; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:04:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25389; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:04:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu56U-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 13:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Suggestion re: news Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 21:35:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Instead of 'No more news groups. Return to "inbox"?' when one has tabbed through all news groups, how about 'No more news groups. Return to "inbox" or start again?' I find that as soon as I've finished reading all the news in my subscribed groups, then there is usually new news to be read, and I would like to be able to go back to the first group in the list and go through them all again if I want to, otherwise go back to "inbox". (I usually read news starting at the first subscribed group, reading or deleting everything here, and then moving onto the next.) --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 14:27:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18543; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:27:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01704; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:20:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01698; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:20:48 -0700 Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27570; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:20:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crispin To: Doug Hughes Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: winsock pine composing problems In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Doug - There is bad news, mediocre news, and good news. The bad news is that this is a known bug in Winsock Pine 3.90. It occurs if your timezone is set to anything other than PST8PDT (the Microsoft default and also where we are located). As I heard it described, it was sampling the current time at two different points and calculating a delta, but one of those samples was in Pacific time instead of local time. This caused the delta to be a matter of hours rather than seconds, and that delta in turn was used as part of a calculation for a wait time. Oops. This problem is specific to Winsock. PC Pine does not have this problem, nor does Unix Pine. Apparently, you have to be really careful where your tzset() calls are on Winsock applications. The mediocre news is that you can work around this problem by leaving your timezone unset or set to PST8PDT. Welcome to the west coast! ;-) The good news is that this bug is fixed in Pine 3.91, which should be coming out imminently. -- Mark -- On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Doug Hughes wrote: > > After composing a message and pressing ctrl-X and pressing Y to > confirm delivery, pine hangs.. no response.. > This is winsock version of pine using the PCNFS5.0 winsock. > > Here is pinedebg.txt: (All features have default values) > > Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.90 > Sun Oct 09 12:22:04 1994 > > reading_pinerc "C:\pine\pinerc" > Read 6136 characters: > ========== Current_val options set ========== > user-domain : eng.auburn.edu > smtp-server : mailhost > inbox-path : {mailhost}INBOX > folder-collections : c:\mail\[] > default-fcc : sentmail > postponed-folder : postpond > mail-directory : mail > signature-file : pine.sig > address-book : addrbook > feature-list : signature-at-bottom > saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender > fcc-name-rule : default-fcc > sort-key : arrival > addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last > use-only-domain-name : no > printer : attached-to-ansi > standard-printer : lpr > last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 > last-version-used : 3.90 > bugs-fullname : Pine Developers > bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu > elm-style-save : no > header-in-reply : no > feature-level : sapling > old-style-reply : no > save-by-sender : no > newsrc-path : C:\pine\NEWSRC > folder-extension : MTX > normal-foreground-co : black > normal-background-co : white > reverse-foreground-c : cyan > reverse-background-c : blue > ========== Command_line_val options set ========== > ========== User_val (pinerc) options set ========== > personal-name : Doug Hughes > user-id : doug > user-domain : eng.auburn.edu > smtp-server : mailhost > inbox-path : {mailhost}INBOX > folder-collections : c:\mail\[] > feature-list : signature-at-bottom > saved-msg-name-rule : by-sender > fcc-name-rule : default-fcc > last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 > last-version-used : 3.90 > normal-foreground-co : black > normal-background-co : white > reverse-foreground-c : cyan > reverse-background-c : blue > ========== Fixed_val (pine.conf.fixed, overrides all) options set ========== > Userid: doug > Fullname: "Doug Hughes" > User domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" > Local Domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" > Host name being used "xtester.eng.auburn.edu" > Mail Domain name being used "eng.auburn.edu" > MAILCAP: file: "C:\pine\\MAILCAP" > MAILCAP: Cannot read file C:\pine\\MAILCAP > MAILCAP: file: "C:\WINPINE\\MAILCAP" > MAILCAP: Cannot read file C:\WINPINE\\MAILCAP > Context c:\mail\[] type: LOCAL > About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" > IMAP mm_notify NIL : {mailhost}INBOX : edison IMAP2bis Service 7.8(88) at Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:25:02 -0500 (CDT) > Opened folder "{mailhost.eng.auburn.edu}INBOX" with 22 messages > Sorting by Arrival > IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd > > > ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- > Want_to read: c (99) > > > ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- > IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd > IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: c:\mail\postpond > Want_to read: y (121) > IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Mailbox is empty > > > ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- > > > ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- > IMAP 12:22 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd > IMA > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 15:04:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19166; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:04:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02169; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:00:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02163; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:00:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu5yB-00000DC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 14:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: errol@io.org (Errol Porter) Subject: Problem with Pine Compose Date: 9 Oct 1994 16:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: <379kds$el1@ionews.io.org> When going into "Compose" a message keeps appearing as follows: "continue interrupted composition (answering 'n' won't erase it)"? However there is no interupted composition. Does anyone know how to get rid of this message? Thanks if you can help. -- Errol Porter HORIZON BOOKS, rare & out-of-print | Voyages, travel & exploration errol@io.org 416 226-4282 | Natural history From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 15:51:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19981; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:51:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26545; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:45:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26539; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:45:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu6gB-00000MC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Batson Subject: Quick question here.. Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all.. I know this is a stupid question, so a quick stupid answer will be appreciated. I'm fresh into using Pine now for newsgroups, I used to use tin.. Tin always used to tell me how many 'responses' there were on the string of the original poster. I cant' redily tell in pine.. I see certain post subjects are listed by themselves, such as 'subject X' and others will say 'Re: SUbject X', are all the 'Re: ' subjects actually responses to the first subject w/o the 'Re: ' looking backawards time-wise? Do you understand my question?? I barely do , what I would like to know, is how I can tell how many 'responses' there are to a certain post, and how to view those replies.. thanks..! --Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 16:35:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20786; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:35:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03241; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:30:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03235; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:30:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu7Og-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: [Q] search pattern WITHIN mail Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:20:10 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello everybody, the command W searches for a string in the mail-header (if in the index-menu). Question: Is there a command to search for a string WITHIN the body of all mails? 'elm' has the slash (/) as 'pine' has the W command. I did not find anything in 'pine' as the command slash-slash (//) in 'elm', searching for a string anywhere in a mail. Can anybody help me? Best regards, Urs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 16:40:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20911; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:40:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27077; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:34:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27071; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:34:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu7Up-00000IC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 16:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dave Rindos Subject: Re: Suggestion re: news Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 06:55:02 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Assuming I have not missed something in the documentation (and if I have, I would appreciate knowing it!), my little suggestions would be: 1) Reduce the number of keystrokes to Delete All in a group. I think a lot of us scan groups for interesting subjects and read just them. Especially with the recent growth in number of postings, this would be an *exceedingly* desirable amendment. An easy way to implement would be to add a toggle ";" to the Select sub-screen -- hence ; ; would be Select All-Deleted. 2) Implement a Kill/Select file. Probably emulating the kinds of options permitted on (for example) nn would be fine. 3) Permit a default Sort option such that one does not have to choose $ repeatedly. 4) Add a Line-Count to the titles. Again, this is helpful in scanning. Dave, who did NOT think he would like the pine reader, but who has been pleasantly surprised. -- Dave Rindos arkeo4@uniwa.uwa.edu.au 20 Herdsmans Parade Wembley WA 6014 AUSTRALIA Ph:+61 9 387 6281 (GMT+8) FAX:+61 9 386 2760 (USEST+13) [you may also reach me on rindos@perth.dialix.oz.au] >I'm in need of something clever or cute to put here< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 17:23:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21863; Sun, 9 Oct 94 17:23:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04004; Sun, 9 Oct 94 17:19:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03998; Sun, 9 Oct 94 17:19:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qu8C3-00000DC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 17:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) Subject: Funny characters at top of pico screen Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:48:24 -0400 Message-Id: <379vg8$b8k@pilot.njin.net> I'm using the linux pico binary from ftp.cac.washington.edu & get a "a" with a umlaut (two dots) over it in the first line of the buffer. I experienced a similar problem with an earlier version that i compiled myself. Any ideas? It doesn't seem to be a wrong terminal type & the extra character doesn't appear in the saved file. -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@itc.org 802-453-2457 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 20:10:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24547; Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:10:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29449; Sun, 9 Oct 94 19:55:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29443; Sun, 9 Oct 94 19:55:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quAZI-00000LC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 19:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adambcox@tucson.princeton.edu (Adam Cox) Subject: Re: New user requires help. Message-Id: <1994Oct9.193052.4359@Princeton.EDU> References: <1994Oct5.210722.13290@Princeton.EDU> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:30:52 GMT In article , David L Miller wrote: > >.pine-debug files are normal. The last one is .pine-debug1 and the oldest is >.pine-debug4. They do come in handy when trying to track down certain >problems, so we keep them on by default.... > this is one of my pine-debug files (sorry that it is so long). it looks like the problem occurs in the first few lines of this file. does anyone know why this would be happening? i checked /usr/local/lib and there are no pine files in it. are there supposed to be? adam Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.90 Sun Oct 9 13:12:15 1994 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "/u/adambcox/.pinerc" Read 9027 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory ========== Current_val options set ========== inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] : News/news/[] : mail/sent/[] : News/[] default-fcc : sent/sent-misc postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-tab-completion : expanded-view-of-folders : quit-without-confirm : enable-suspend saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : Date addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : enscript -2rhG personal-print-comma : enscript -2rhG standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.90 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ========== Command_line_val options set ========== ========== User_val (pinerc) options set ========== personal-name : Adam B. Cox folder-collections : mail/[] : News/news/[] : mail/sent/[] : News/[] default-fcc : sent/sent-misc feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set : enable-tab-completion : expanded-view-of-folders : quit-without-confirm : enable-suspend saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder sort-key : Date/Reverse printer : enscript -2rhG personal-print-comma : enscript -2rhG last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.90 ========== Global_val (pine.conf) options set ========== inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ========== Fixed_val (pine.conf.fixed, overrides all) options set ========== ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders no-enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue enable-suspend enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys no-user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch Userid: adambcox Fullname: "Adam B. Cox" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "princeton.edu" Host name being used "tucson.princeton.edu" Mail Domain name being used "tucson.princeton.edu" MAILCAP: file: "/u/adambcox/.mailcap" MAILCAP: Cannot read file /u/adambcox/.mailcap MAILCAP: file: "/etc/mailcap" MAILCAP: Cannot read file /etc/mailcap new win size -----<42 80>------ Terminal type: xterm Context mail/[] type: LOCAL Context News/news/[] type: LOCAL Context mail/sent/[] type: LOCAL Context News/[] type: LOCAL About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" Opened folder "/usr/spool/mail/adambcox" with 14 messages Sorting by Date/reverse IMAP 13:12 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /u/adambcox/.pine-interrupted-mail ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- MAIL_CMD: quit ---- QUIT SCREEN ---- expunge and close mail stream "/usr/spool/mail/adambcox" about to end_tty_driver From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 20:42:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25175; Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:42:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06293; Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:31:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06287; Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:31:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quB8u-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) Subject: Re: "junk software and poor design" (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Message-Id: <1994Oct9.025434.9551@dmp.csiro.au> References: <3700se$2p3@mp.cs.niu.edu> <3713u8$phs@news.halcyon.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 02:54:34 GMT Nancy McGough writes: >rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >>I install Pine because some of >>my users ask for it. Except for testing the installation, I do not >>use Pine. I consider it to be one of the biggest pieces of junk >>software and poor design that I have encountered. >I'm curious why you think this. Could you please post at least 3 features >(other than the Newsgroups:_ header in a mail message) which you think were >poorly designed and mailers that do each of these 3 features better. While I still use elm for much of my email (matter of habit) - I was very impressed with pine when I first came accross it as our users obtained a user-friendly yet powerful email program free. And it was for our users that pine was installed. That must be saying something about pine when users actually ask for it? While there are now rivals to pine (can anyone name a previous/present UNIX rival to pine?) examples of really good design are :- --- The user-friendly and very powerful address book - including creating lists. --- For the UNIX version - printing to a local PC or MAC printer. --- Prompting and explanations of what the user is about to do and error tolerant. --- For UNIX - very easy and painless to compile - even on a 99% SUN compatable Solbourne computer. --- Availability of UNIX executables to save the hassle of compiling. --- Simple to use default editor. --- For UNIX - stand alone binaries for simple installation. --- Easy mailing and extracting of binary files. --- For UNIX version - Nice file find and selecting procedure. --- Easy access in latest version of pine for "power?" users. ------------------ The main part that confuses new users is :- I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder to view but this is relatively easy to show how to use. ------------------- While we use the latest version of pine for UNIX - we are unsure about the MS-Windows version. Mainly because we would like it to be transparently usable from any PC or telnet session for a user. Because of the requirement that the .sig and .address book have to be located locally - this isn't easy for WinPine. The easiest way to presently make it transparent for users irrespective of what PC/MAC or terminal they are using is to log into the email server via a telnet session and run pine. - -- Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 PO Box 124, Port Melbourne \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 3207 AUSTRALIA v From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 21:33:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26250; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:33:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00602; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:20:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00596; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:20:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quBvD-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:48:24 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <374ekf$8dc@mp.cs.niu.edu> On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles > have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It > could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as > indicating a news article. Uh, there are no ``From '' lines separating the messages in my mailbox. You must be thinking about a mailbox format that is used on some other system. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 22:11:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26937; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:11:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07520; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:05:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07514; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:05:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quCbr-00000MC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cort@sphinx.cs.nmt.edu (Cort) Subject: Improper handling of a wyse and wyse50? Date: 10 Oct 1994 03:53:28 GMT Message-Id: <37adro$h5o@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu> I've had trouble getting pine to use a wyse and wyse50 terminal properly. I've looked through the technical notes and documentation and haven't found any references to this problem. I'm having the problem on suns running sunos 4.1.3 (haven't tried our other architectures yet) with a wyse and wyse50. Anyone have any ideas on what might be causing this? Possibly a problem in the sunos termcap? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 22:21:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27101; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:21:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01315; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:16:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01309; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:16:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quClI-00000NC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 21:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adambcox@tucson.princeton.edu (Adam Cox) Subject: saved-message rules Message-Id: <1994Oct9.234213.10665@Princeton.EDU> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:42:13 GMT i have searched through the manual but i can't find this feature. so i was wondering if anyone could help me out with this. i know that you can set the rules so that the default save for a particular message will be the address of the person who sent it. for example: i recieve a message from jwwhite@phoenix.princeton.edu i could set the rules so that the default save would be 'jwwhite'. now the question: is there a way that i can change the rules so that the default save will be some user specified name for a particular address. for example: i recieve a message from jwwhite@phoenix.princeton.edu i would be able to set the rules so that the default would be 'jason', or any other name that i choose. this feature would be nice because one could set the default saves to the first names (or something) of people they regularly get mail from. it would eliminate having folders called '11044XB' if someone has a weird address on an old vax or something. thanks, adam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 22:31:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27273; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:31:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07752; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:25:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07746; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:25:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quCv6-00000DC; Sun, 9 Oct 94 22:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wu2@crash.cts.com (David DiGioia) Subject: Pine 3.90 bug (^S^Q) with Netblazer? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 03:52:36 GMT Message-Id: I was using PINE 3.89 successfully over dial-up (Telebit Qblazer), and also through dial up to a Netblazer (not a PPP connection; dial-up). Now I try 3.90, and as soon as I try to open a mail folder, I get a continuous stream of "^S" and "^Q"'s. I looked at the debug file; it says something like this: Main Folders "Want to read: ^S(19) Want to read: ^Q(17)" for about 200 lines. Any idea what the problems is? Thanks. ...David .. David Di Gioia | wu2@cts.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 9 23:54:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28636; Sun, 9 Oct 94 23:54:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02394; Sun, 9 Oct 94 23:47:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02388; Sun, 9 Oct 94 23:46:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quE9f-000008C; Sun, 9 Oct 94 23:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Message-Id: References: <36ut98$mh4@news.halcyon.com> <371pgv$730@news.halcyon.com> <781632604.29505.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 06:19:24 GMT According to Chris Newman : > Please point to a formal specification which defines "Newsgroups" with > such a meaning [in mail]. There is no specification of what the header means in mail, so your interpretation is no more valid than mine. However, mine is based on the current use of at least 4 newsreaders, and thus is a better choice than yours because I don't have to fight all that installed inertia. -- Wayne Davison davison@borland.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 02:15:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01813; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:15:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04203; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:11:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04197; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:11:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quGST-00000DC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Problem with Pine Compose Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:27:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: <379kds$el1@ionews.io.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <379kds$el1@ionews.io.org> On 9 Oct 1994, Errol Porter wrote: > When going into "Compose" a message keeps appearing as follows: "continue > interrupted composition (answering 'n' won't erase it)"? However there is no > interupted composition. rm mail/interrupted-mail (I'm not 100% sure of that filename... maybe it's interrupted-msg or sommat. But you'll find it easily enough.) --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 02:15:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01834; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:15:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10620; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:11:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10614; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:11:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quGRy-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 01:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: [Q] search pattern WITHIN mail Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:29:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Urs Kradolfer wrote: > Question: Is there a command to search for a string WITHIN the body of > all mails? Only in Pine 3.90, not in 3.89, though. In 3.90, do "; t a " and Pine will highlight all messages containing . --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 02:36:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02198; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:36:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10857; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:32:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10851; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:32:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quGky-00000JC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 02:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Quick question here.. Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:25:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Alex Batson wrote: > Do you understand my question?? I barely do , what I would like > to know, is how I can tell how many 'responses' there are to a certain > post, and how to view those replies.. thanks..! Well, if you're using Pine 3.90, you can hit "; t s z" and Pine will select all the posts with the subject you're after (the "; t s " part), and then zoom in so that you see only those posts in the index (the "z"). Use "z" again to zoom back out to the full list of posts. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 04:11:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04732; Mon, 10 Oct 94 04:11:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05718; Mon, 10 Oct 94 04:05:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05712; Mon, 10 Oct 94 04:05:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quIEN-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 03:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bogusz@fuw.edu.pl (Wojtek Bogusz) Subject: tcl/tk pine, ... ? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:41:51 GMT Dear Piners ! I am thinking about writing thing like tkpine, a Tcl/Tk version of pine for X Windows (well, tcl/tk is available also on Ms-Windows and I think will be available on any windows you will think about, in future of course). What I need is a kind of libpine.a with internal pine procedures like: "show list of mails in folder (with offset in file ?)", "show one mail from folder", "send mail text with header", "check header, expand nick names, ... (this on sending mail)", "show address book", "change address book", ....... I wonder what do you think about that kind of idea and is it possible that some one who knows pine source would help with creating "libpine.a" ? Or may be such lib is already available ? Any other ideas :-) ? Best regards, Wojtek Bogusz +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wojtek.Bogusz@fuw.edu.pl | Warsaw University | Hoza 69; Warszawa; Poland | | | Physics Department | tel.(+48)(2)6283031x149 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ http://info.fuw.edu.pl/persons/wojtek_bogusz.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 06:24:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07193; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:24:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13826; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:20:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13820; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:20:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quKLM-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bmurray@pluto.njcc.com (Brad Murray) Subject: Memory leak? Date: 10 Oct 1994 08:43:28 -0400 Message-Id: <37bctg$j71@pluto.njcc.com> My admin told me that he had to take down the latest version of Pine because it seemed to have a memory leak in it. Is this true or did he have it setup wrong? He said that it was taking up like 10 times as much memory as the old version did when 5 people were using it at once. ________________________________________________________________________ Bradley S. Murray Princeton Computer Consulting, Inc. Phone: (609) 799-5300 20 Lorrie Lane Box 7345 Fax: (609) 275-5651 Princeton, NJ 08543-7345 Internet: bmurray@pluto.njcc.com ________________________________________________________________________ ***Super QWK 1.0*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 06:39:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07511; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:39:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14050; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:34:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ultrix.ramapo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14044; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:34:34 -0700 Received: by ultrix (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26130; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:34:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Mann Subject: Re: Looking for a mail program To: Christophe Babilotte Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, You can try ftp to qiclab.scn.rain.com. Remember, there are a number of different platforms available so choose the right one. Hope this helps. On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Christophe Babilotte wrote: > > Hi!! Is there any program that I could retrive from the net and that will > do the following: > for example say I am on vacation and I would like to send an > e-mail back saying that I am on Vacation to incoming mail. > > so if you know where I can get it you can just reply to my message. > > thanks!!!! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Christophe Babilotte . . > ==================== | | > cbabil@zeus.towson.edu | _ | > cbabil@charm.net ______________|_( )_|______________ > s72ucba@toe.towson o +|+ [ ( o ) ] +|+ o > http://www.charm.net/~cbabil/ *[_]---[_]* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steve "If you choose not to decide, you'll still have made a choice..." -RUSH George Wood (gwood@indirect.com), PhD says "Hey Beavis, give credit where it's due: rush stole that line from William James, and the idea goes back at least to Kierkegaard." ================================================================== / Steve M Insignificant message goes here \ | CCIS: 529-7500 x7922 \|||/ | | Home: 722-1632 0 * | | Beeper: 1-800-502-2775 or 201-909-1575 oo0 ^ 0oo | | Email: smann@ultrix.ramapo.edu ~~~~~~~~~ | | Ramapo College Apartments (Cypress Q): 934-9357 \ This line left blank for no reason / ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 06:40:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07540; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:40:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07494; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:35:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ultrix.ramapo.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07486; Mon, 10 Oct 94 06:35:43 -0700 Received: by ultrix (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26166; Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:36:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Mann Subject: Re: [Q] search pattern WITHIN mail To: Urs Kradolfer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Urs Kradolfer wrote: > Hello everybody, > the command W searches for a string in the mail-header (if in the > index-menu). > Question: Is there a command to search for a string WITHIN the body of > all mails? > 'elm' has the slash (/) as 'pine' has the W command. I did not find anything > in 'pine' as the command slash-slash (//) in 'elm', searching for a string > anywhere in a mail. > Can anybody help me? > Best regards, > Urs You already have the answer. Try the good ol' W for that also. Hope this helps. Steve "If you choose not to decide, you'll still have made a choice..." -RUSH George Wood (gwood@indirect.com), PhD says "Hey Beavis, give credit where it's due: rush stole that line from William James, and the idea goes back at least to Kierkegaard." ================================================================== / Steve M Insignificant message goes here \ | CCIS: 529-7500 x7922 \|||/ | | Home: 722-1632 0 * | | Beeper: 1-800-502-2775 or 201-909-1575 oo0 ^ 0oo | | Email: smann@ultrix.ramapo.edu ~~~~~~~~~ | | Ramapo College Apartments (Cypress Q): 934-9357 \ This line left blank for no reason / ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 07:17:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08513; Mon, 10 Oct 94 07:17:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08090; Mon, 10 Oct 94 07:12:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sowebo.charm.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08084; Mon, 10 Oct 94 07:12:33 -0700 Received: by sowebo.charm.net (4.1/1.61) id AA22719; Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:12:46 EDT Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Christophe Babilotte To: Steve Mann Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Looking for a mail program In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thank you!!!! I will take a look at it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christophe Babilotte . . ==================== | | cbabil@zeus.towson.edu | _ | cbabil@charm.net ______________|_( )_|______________ s72ucba@toe.towson o +|+ [ ( o ) ] +|+ o http://www.charm.net/~cbabil/ *[_]---[_]* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 08:27:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10551; Mon, 10 Oct 94 08:27:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09246; Mon, 10 Oct 94 08:20:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09240; Mon, 10 Oct 94 08:20:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quMCQ-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 07:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pbarber@eskimo.com (Putnam Barber) Subject: enhancement request Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:05:14 GMT I often want to check over my composition one last time before sending it off into cyberspace. Pine is good to me in that it prompts me one last time when I go ^X. But if I answer "no" to the question "Send mail?", my cursor is returned to the point in the file where I was when I hit ^X (even though Pine politely presented the headers to me to confirm when I thought I was ready to send the thing off). I think it would be even nicer if Pine dropped me off on line 1 at that point, so I could scroll through one last time. I recognize that if I /wanted/ to get back to where I'd been (if, for example, I'd hit ^X entirely by mistake) then it would be more difficult to do than typing N ^W ^Y in answer to the "Send mail?" query (which gets me to line 1 with a couple of screen-refreshes thrown in for entertainment). But the mistake branch feels less travelled to me than the other. So.... an enhancement request (or thought) for future versions. Putnam Barber Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 10:44:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17141; Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:44:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12686; Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:33:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12680; Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:32:59 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03500; Mon, 10 Oct 94 10:32:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: RE: Pine 3.90 on VMS In-Reply-To: <1994Oct8.095656.184@vms.huji.ac.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We've removed all the long identifiers from the 3.91 sources so the warnings should be gone. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 8 Oct 1994, Yehavi Bourvine wrote: > >> > Pine 3.90 doesn't want to compile on VAX/VMS with the VAX C compiler - when I > >> > tried today I got lots of warnings of the form > >> > > >> > %CC-W-EXTERNNAMELONG, The external identifier name exceeds 31 characters > > ... > > 1. This 'feature' was not in the beta-test versions of VMS Pine > > > > 2. I thought that the whole point of porting software is to make it work in the > > target environment. A 'port' which won't compile is not much use to anyone. > > Once again: This is a warnning and not a fatal error, so simply ignore it. > Instead of modifying all PINE sources and make them totally incompatible with > the original release I've decided to live with the warnnings. > __Yehavi: > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 11:51:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20671; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:51:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20420; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:38:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20406; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:38:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quPJT-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mudws@cotton.vislab.olemiss.edu (Warren Steel) Subject: Printing to Mac--Pine, ZTerm, ImageWriter Date: 10 Oct 94 16:20:04 GMT Message-Id: An attractive feature of Pine is its ability to print to a printer attached to a local system connected by modem. Pine on a Unix machine has no trouble printing to my IBM PC printer. I can't print to my Mac, however. I have an LC III with ZTerm v1b02 as my terminal program, and an ImageWriter connected to my printer port. When I try to print a mail file from Pine, the message prints to my Mac screen intead of the printer. Has anyone succeeded in printing to a Mac? Warren Steel mudws@cotton.vislab.olemiss.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 11:52:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20712; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:52:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14728; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:47:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14722; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:47:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quPRT-00000LC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 11:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Improper handling of a wyse and wyse50? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:18:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: <37adro$h5o@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37adro$h5o@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu> On 10 Oct 1994, Cort wrote: > I've had trouble getting pine to use a wyse and wyse50 terminal properly. > I've looked through the technical notes and documentation and haven't found > any references to this problem. I'm pretty sure that Pine doesn't support these terminals. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 18:22:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08294; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:22:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29242; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:17:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29236; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:17:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quVV4-00000DC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 17:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jedwards@sol1.solinet.net (John Edwards) Subject: MMDF mailbox/folder format supported? Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:07:26 -0500 Message-Id: Hi. We have PINE 3.89 under BSDI BSD/386 1.1. We switched one of our machines from MMDF mailer to sendmail. When users attempted to access mail, ELM said folder was 'corrupt' and PINE said that spooled mail is not a folder. Once I stripped out the CTRL-A's separating messages in one of the mailboxes, it worked OK. I read in the technical notes that MMDF format is supported. How do I access my MMDF mail without having to strip it of control characters? Thank you for your assistance. John +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | SOLINET (Southeastern Library Network) J Edwards jedwards@solinet.net | +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 18:38:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08688; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:38:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23773; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:31:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23767; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:31:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quVm3-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 18:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Subject: Re: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? Message-Id: References: <36vrcl$hr6@news.usis.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:56:57 GMT Kimberly Long (siberia@usis.com) wrote: > On 27 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: > > > I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via > > crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! > [snip] : I am having the same problem. I use crosstalk as well. I made the : mistake of trying to paste a two page article into email. It took about : 40 minutes. : If you get an answer to this question please share. :) : Namaste' : Kimberly Long : siberia@usis.com I had the same jproblem. The answer is: in the settings section, change line pacing to NONE. This should take care of it. -- 68% of all statistics are misleading gbgf@netcom.com (Jerry Stein) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 22:16:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13960; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:16:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27022; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:11:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27016; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:11:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quZ8v-00000DC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 21:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lsm@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Liza Miyamoto) Subject: 'filter' and pine 3.89 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 04:11:39 GMT this question has probably been asked many times, so i apologize in advance. could you PLEASE help me in setting up 'filter' to work with pine, so that i may forward certain messages into other folders other than the inbox? i understand that i have to config the .pinerc. so i guess my real problem is excuting the 'filter' program. do i put a command in the .login or .cshrc file so that it will execute upon login? i have read the man for filter, and the pine faq from this newsgroup, but i am still clueless. thank you, lm lsm@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 22:48:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14714; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:48:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27432; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:43:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27426; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:43:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quZh0-00000BC; Mon, 10 Oct 94 22:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myer@farallon.geosc.psu.edu (Kevin M. Myer) Subject: help with pine 3.89 and hpux 9.0 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:30:01 -0500 Message-Id: Hello. I am trying to compile Pine 3.89 with HP-UX 9.0. However I cannot get the build command to work at all. It seems there must be something really simple and dumb that I am not doing but I sure can't figure it out. Can anyone help me out? -- Kevin M. Myer * 404 Shunk Hall (814)-862-4795 myer@farallon.geosc.psu.edu IRC = KMart kmm141@psu.edu http://kmm141.rh.psu.edu kmm141@psuvm.psu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 10 23:23:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15360; Mon, 10 Oct 94 23:23:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27880; Mon, 10 Oct 94 23:19:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27868; Mon, 10 Oct 94 23:19:39 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 11 Oct 94 14:16:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:16:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Liza Miyamoto Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 'filter' and pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Liza Miyamoto wrote: > could you PLEASE help me in setting up 'filter' to work with pine, so > that i may forward certain messages into other folders other than the > inbox? i understand that i have to config the .pinerc. so i guess my > real problem is excuting the 'filter' program. do i put a command in > the .login or .cshrc file so that it will execute upon login? > > i have read the man for filter, and the pine faq from this newsgroup, but > i am still clueless. I'm assuming that you are talking about the "filter" program that comes with the elm distribution. If my assumption is wrong you'll need to supply additional information. Now the one thing you need to know is that "filter" does not execute at login. It is run during the delivery process. This is accomplished via the use of your .forward file. An example of the contents of a .forward file would be: "|/usr/local/bin/filter #egreshko " On deliver of a message this .forward will cause the message to be "piped" to the program "filter" defined by the full pathname. (If your filter program resides in a different place you need to change the full path.....obviously.) The #egreshko is to make the call unique to the system. There isn't any configuration necessary to .pinerc file to user filter. Remember....pine and filter are totally unrelated. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 01:43:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18493; Tue, 11 Oct 94 01:43:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05321; Tue, 11 Oct 94 01:36:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05315; Tue, 11 Oct 94 01:36:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qucQC-00000OC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 01:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: syb3@aber.ac.uk (Brad) Subject: Re: New user requires help. Message-Id: Date: 10 Oct 94 19:51:08 GMT References: <1994Oct5.210722.13290@Princeton.EDU> <1994Oct9.193052.4359@Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct9.193052.4359@Princeton.EDU> On Sun, 9 Oct 1994, Adam Cox wrote: > IMAP 13:12 10/9 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: > /u/adambcox/.pine-interrupted-mail I can't remember what you said the problem is you are experiencing. Was it something about interrupted mail? If so, then this is it. If you don't want it, then rm ~/.pine-interrupted-mail and the problem should disappear. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 02:36:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19419; Tue, 11 Oct 94 02:36:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00428; Tue, 11 Oct 94 02:26:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00422; Tue, 11 Oct 94 02:26:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qud8a-00000NC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 02:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Hank Burchard Subject: Re: Bug in pine 3.90? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This is exactly my problem. Also, the abort cancels the deletion function, so that on restarting Pine I find all my deleted messages still there, marked unread. This is a fatal and infuriating error. On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Check for a read-message-folder in the user's .pinerc and delete it if > present... > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, Jim Hribnak wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 7 OCT 1994 17:28:30 GMT > > From: Jim Hribnak > > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > > Subject: Bug in pine 3.90? > > > > > > One user on our system (so far) is getting the following: > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Recieved abort signal" > > > > > > He gets this when quitting pine every time and produces a core.pine file > > (I am on BSDI/386 v1.1) > > > > I use pine constantly all day long and I have never encountered this.. > > > > > > Jim Hribnak Nucleus Information Service > > VP Operations, Nucleus Inc. 55 Lines (403)531-9353 (2400) > > ----------------------------------------- (403)531-9370 (19200) > > hribnak@nucleus.com (403)249-9009 (voice) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hank Burchard * Weekend Section * The Washington Post 1150 15th Street NW * Washington DC USA 20071-0001 VoiceMail (202) 334-7243 * Email: burchard@twp.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 06:15:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25043; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:15:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08887; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:07:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08881; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:07:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qugR2-000012C; Tue, 11 Oct 94 05:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbp3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jay B. Parker) Subject: Bcc:, Fcc:, and Distribution Lists in 3.90 Date: 10 Oct 1994 17:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <37cgmd$isk@Ra.MsState.Edu> I've been using 3.90 since the day it was released and have on the whole been completely impressed, but I finally have one small complaint. When mailing to large distribution lists defined in the addressbook, as it has been discussed here before, it is often preferable to put the names in the 'blind-cc' field rather than the 'to' field, to prevent your recipients from having to scroll through pages of headers. However, a problem arises when doing this with a list with a specific 'file-cc' defined in the addressbook. Hitting ^R to get the Bcc: field while the To: field is still blank automatically fills in Fcc: with the default value (e.g., "~/Mail/Sent/SENT.pine"). Putting the list name in the Bcc: field, then, does *not* replace the default Fcc: with the new one. (say, "~/Mail/Sent/SENT.qotd"). Bcc: and Fcc: are two of my favorite features; it would be nice if they were more aware of each other in this instance, though. -Jay- -- Jay B. Parker -- Mississippi State University -- Engr. Research Center E-mail: jbp3@Ra.MsState.Edu --- WWWeb: "http://WWW2.MsState.Edu/~jbp3" "But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep." - Frost From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 06:45:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25729; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:45:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09316; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:36:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09304; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:36:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quh1D-00000bC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) Subject: GUIDE> PineIntermediate Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:07:38 GMT Message-Id: <1994Oct10.220738.13535@math.utah.edu> @@@ Pine Intermediate @@@ @@@@@@@@ Rev. 1 @@@@@@@@@ To subscribe to UDOC, my distribution list, or to receive info on the list send mail to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu. Guides sites: Gopher: leopard.east-slc.edun in "Guides" WWW: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/guides.html/ This guide teaches Folder Management and Attachments for pine. Although the version used here is 3.89 there should be few differences for version close to 3.89. Contents: Section 1 - Folder Management What is a folder? The INBOX Creating a folder. Deleting a folder. Renaming a folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Saving to folders. Section 2 - Attachments What is an attachment? The Attchmnt: field. Control-J Viewing/Saving attachments. Compatibility with other mail readers. Section 1 What is a folder? A folder is a file stored in your mail directory (Typically ~/mail) in which you can store messages you wish to save. You can have as many folders as you wish as long is they do not fill up your disk space. Pine creates some folders by itself: sent-mail : this is a folder where the mail you send is saved by default (see Fcc: in advanced pine). saved-messages : this is the default folder for you to save messages to. sent-mail-- : every month pine asks you if you wish to copy your sent-mail folder to a folder called sent-mail--. This is to better organize the mail you send. The INBOX The INBOX is a special folder that is not in your ~/mail directory. The INBOX is the file that the mail spooler appends incoming mail to. It is normally /var/spool/mail/. Creating a folder. There are two major ways to create a folder. The first way is to go to the folder list (L) and type 'A'. You are then asked for a name of a folder and that folder is added. The second way is to enter the name of a non-existing folder when it asks you where you wish to save the message when you do a save-message command. It will then ask you if you want to create the folder and merely by pressing 'y' you can cause the new folder to be created. Deleting a folder. To delete a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to delete, and type 'D'. Renaming a folder. To rename a folder go to the folder list (L), select the folder you wish to rename and type 'R'. It will then ask you for a new name for the folder. Shell manipulation of folders. Folders are only text files and as such can be manipulated by the shell. Here are some common operations and how to do them with the shell: delete folder : rm -f ~/mail/ create folder : echo ""> ~/mail/ rename folder : mv ~/mail/ ~/mail/ merge folders : cat ~/mail/ ~/mail/ (etc) > ~/mail/ These can be done from anywhere. By changing to the directory ~/mail you can skip the ~/mail/ section of the above commands. Saving to folders. While reading a message you can type 'S' to save the current message to a folder. You can also do this at the folder index screen. When you type 'S' it asks you what folder you wish to save the message to and provides a default (normally saved-messages). Here you can either enter a name of a folder that exists and it will save the message to that folder and delete it from the current folder (remember the INBOX is a folder). You can also type in the name of a non-existent folder and it will offer to create that folder for you. It is also posable to type Control-T and use the arrow keys to pick a folder to save it to. Section 2 What is an attachment? An attachment is a file or set of files that are added to the letter in such a way that pine does not show there contents. This is useful if you are sending a file that makes no sense normally: M% ")'2 @J\4 +^/& "])P@ X , >/^])RP OZ^( *2O"@ $) < !20\ M. ( ) ""[,] Ex: 1. /u/vi/calfeld/doc/guides/pine_intermediate (1 K) "Guide to pine" However pine has a feature that makes this unnecessary. It is the control-J command and is described next. Control-J By pressing Control-J while in the header have the option of adding an attachment. When you type Control-J it will ask you for the path of the file to attach. If you desire you can type Control-T and use a file interface to choose a file. After you have chosen a file to attach it will ask you for a comment. You can just press return if here if you do not wish to include a comment. After the comment is entered the line will appear in your Attchmnt: field. Viewing/Saving attachments. When you receive a letter that contains attachments you will see at some point near the beginning of the letter something like this: [Part 2, "Comment" Text 20 lines] [Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part] and in the header: Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 3 lines Text 2 OK 20 lines Text, "Comment" -------------------------------------- To view an attachment use the 'v' command. This will ask you wish attachment you wish to view or save. #1 is the message itself. Choose which one you wish to process and type its number. It will now ask you if you wish to view the attachment (v) or save it (s). If you choose save it will prompt you for a file to save the attachment as. If you choose view it will open the Viewer which allows you to view, save, search, and print the attachment. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 06:46:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25776; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:46:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04001; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:36:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03995; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:36:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quh15-00000XC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) Subject: GUIDE> PineTutorial Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:03:42 GMT Message-Id: <1994Oct10.220342.13430@math.utah.edu> ----> Pine Tutorial <---- --> Rev. 1 <-- UDOC: To receive information on UDOC, my distribution list, or to subscribe send mail to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu. Guides sites: Gopher: leopard.east-slc.edu in "Guides" WWW: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/guides.html/ This is a step-by-step tutorial for beginners in pine. This does not cover many advanced or uncommon features or configuration. I am currently writing "Intermediate Pine", "Advanced Pine", and "Configuring Pine". Please send all comments, requests for guides, or requests to get on my mailing list to calfeld@east.east-slc.edu This tutorial is based on version 3.89 with default set-up. Part 1-Composing a message: 1)type 'pine' at your prompt to load pine. If you have a non-shell interface do whatever is necessary to launch pine. 2)You are now at the main menu: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX 0 Messages ? HELP - Get help using Pine C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send a message I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder to view A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book S SETUP - Configure or update Pine Q QUIT - Exit the Pine program Copyright 1989-1993. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. ? Help P PrevCmd R RelNotes O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type 'c' to enter the composition screen. 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 COMPOSE MESSAGE Folder: INBOX 0 Messages To : Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : ----- Message Text ----- ^G Get Help ^C Cancel ^R Rich Hdr ^K Del Line ^O Postpone ^X Send ^D Del Char ^J Attach ^U UnDel Line^T To AddrBk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "To:" field is who you want to send the message to. For this tutorial put your own login name in. You will be sending a message to your self. To : calfeld Pine should expand this to your full name (this is only done for people who are on the same system as you are.) To : Chris Alfeld 4) Leave the Cc: field blank. If you were to put a address in here a copy of your letter would be sent to that address. 5) Leave Attchmnt: field blank as well. This is used to attach files to a letter. 6) Enter a subject for your letter. When you receive mail the mail will be listed with only the subject shown, you can then choose which letter you wish to read completely. To : Chris Alfeld Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : Tutorial Letter 7) Now enter your message. (Pine uses the editor pico by default. I have not included instructions on pico here but may in another paper) ----- Message Text ----- This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. 8) Type ^T to check the spelling of your message. 9) Type ^X to send the message. Answer 'y' or just press return to: Send message? [y] : 10) You should now be back at the main menu. If you get a message that messes up your screen don't worry; just type ^L and all will be fine again. Now proceed to part 2. Part 2-Reading a message. 1) Get to the main menu of pine. If you are already here from part 1 quit by typing 'Q' and relaunch pine. 2) Type 'I' to enter the folder index: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER INDEX Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 1 NEW + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter [Folder "INBOX" opened with 1 message] ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg] N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will see the line: + N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter A B C D E F A: A plus represents that this letter is unread. B: N represent that this is a new letter. C: This is the date it was sent. D: This is who the letter is for. E: This is how many characters are in the letter. F: This is the subject of the letter. 3) Use the arrow keys or 'P' and 'N' until the correct line is highlighted and press return. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 MESSAGE TEXT Folder: INBOX Message 1 of 2 100% Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:03:26 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Alfeld To: Chris Alfeld Subject: Tutorial Letter This is a test letter for the pine tutorial. ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward 4) You may now do many things with this letter. You can delete (D) it if you have no more interest in it. You can save it (S) if you would like to keep it. You can export (E) it to a file. You can reply (R) to it. You can forward (F) it to another person. Or you can leave it in your inbox wasting precious disk space and forcing the computer to tell you that you have mail every time you log in. Two notes on replying. On almost ALL posabilities you want to answer 'n' to a question of "Reply to all receipents?". The "Include original message in Reply?" question if answered yes will copy the contents of the current letter to the letter you will be sending in return. For this tutorial we will delete the message with the "D" command. Last note: It is not a good idea to leave mail in the inbox. Either delete it with 'D' or save it with 'S'. It will ask you at some point if you wish to expunge deleted messages. Answer 'y'. Part 3-Adding an address to the address book. 1)Launch pine. 2)At the main menu press 'a'. 3)Press 'a' to add a address. 4) New full name (last, first) : Enter the last name and first name of the person that owns the address. This is for your reference only. New full name (last, first) : Alfeld, Chris 5) Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : This is what you will type into the "To:" field to send a message to the address you are entering. Enter new nickname (one word and easy to remember) : chris 6) Enter new e-mail address : Enter the e-mail address. Enter new e-mail address : calfeld@east.east-slc.edu 7) If you did the one above you can now enter 'chris' into the 'To: ' field of any message and it will send the message to me. 8)If you wish to delete an entry: select the entry with the arrow keys or 'n' and 'p' and press 'd'. If you wish to edit the entry either select it and press 'e' or you the arrow keys to select the part you wish to edit and press ' return'. Part 4-Viewing old mail. 1)Enter pines main menu. 2)Press 'L' to enter the folder list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PINE 3.89 FOLDER LIST Folder: INBOX 0 Messages INBOX sent-mail saved-messages ? Help M Main Menu P PrevFldr - PrevPage D Delete R Rename O OTHER CMDS V [ViewFldr] N NextFldr Spc NextPage A Add ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3)Select the folder you wish to view and press return. INBOX is the folder where new mail is. sent-mail is where the messages you send are kept. saved-messages is where messages you saved are kept. 3)You can now process the messages here just like those in the inbox. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 07:03:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26105; Tue, 11 Oct 94 07:03:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04301; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:56:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04295; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:56:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quhOL-00000XC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 06:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: command ; DOES work! Thanks Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:55:16 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear PINEers, thanks to all of you who have sent me help and valuable information. --> The solution to enable the ;-command was to enter the configuration --> menu and to 'enable-aggregate...' - then it worked! I tested it and also tried the Z(oom)-command - a BRILLIANT feature of pine; I'm excited. Congratulation to the pine-team! Thanks and best regards, Urs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 09:39:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03622; Tue, 11 Oct 94 09:39:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12948; Tue, 11 Oct 94 09:23:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12942; Tue, 11 Oct 94 09:23:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qujdH-00000kC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 09:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: Re: help with pine 3.89 and hpux 9.0 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 02:27:39 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 10 Oct 1994, Kevin M. Myer wrote: > Hello. I am trying to compile Pine 3.89 with HP-UX 9.0. However I cannot > get the build command to work at all. It seems there must be something > really simple and dumb that I am not doing but I sure can't figure it > out. Can anyone help me out? > When I installed pine (actually, I used Pine-Version 3.90; you should try to get the same and newest version) I used build hpp and everything worked fine and smoothly! Regards, Urs PS: Read the README and the build files for more information! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 11:26:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08455; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:26:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15800; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:17:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15794; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:17:25 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20463; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:17:24 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 09:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Beard Subject: return receipts To: bugs pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: I am using PINE 3.89, and want to KNOW that my messages arrive at the destination, not just that they have been SENT, which is what PINE? or my system? now tells me. How do I do this, or is it not a PINE function? Jonathan |-----------------------------|------------------------------| |-Jonathan D. Beard--------jbeard@panix.com---CIS 72301,563--| |-Science Writer, Translator, Photo Researcher---------------| |-Voice-212-749-1055--820 West End Ave, 3B-------------------| |-New York City 10025-5328----Fax---212-749-9336-------------| |-----------------------------|------------------------------|  From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 11:57:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10321; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:57:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11309; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:47:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11297; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:47:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qulwZ-000008C; Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Kradolfer Subject: ; and W do NOT work Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 02:19:08 +0100 (MEZ) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear PINEers, to my request, how to search for a string within the whole e-mail from the index-section, I got two intersting answers: 1) use the ';' command 2) use good old 'W' command Unfortunately both of them do not work - any help? I would appreciate it very much! Best regards, Urs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 13:12:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14355; Tue, 11 Oct 94 13:12:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18322; Tue, 11 Oct 94 13:03:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18312; Tue, 11 Oct 94 13:03:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qun8c-00000VC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 12:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (Jon Bell) Subject: Re: Printing to Mac--Pine, ZTerm, ImageWriter Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:18:54 GMT References: In article , Warren Steel wrote: > [...] When I try to print a mail >file from Pine, the message prints to my Mac screen intead of the printer. >Has anyone succeeded in printing to a Mac? Your comm program (Zterm) on the Mac may not support local printing. White Knight 11 didn't, but WK 12 does. So does Smartcom. I don't know about others. -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 15:39:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21878; Tue, 11 Oct 94 15:39:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21883; Tue, 11 Oct 94 15:27:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gmlink.gmeds.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21836; Tue, 11 Oct 94 15:25:56 -0700 Received: from earth (earth.troy.eng.eds.com) by gmlink.gmeds.com with SMTP id AA12328 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 1.1 for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:17:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199410112217.AA12328@gmlink.gmeds.com> Received: from majorca (majorca.troy.eng.eds.com) by earth (4.1/AE-1.0) id AA01064; Tue, 11 Oct 94 18:17:36 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Cross Subject: pop To: pine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this may not be a pine question, but where can I get the source to pop3? thanks. ciao, Jason Cross EDS Troy, Mi. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 16:27:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24471; Tue, 11 Oct 94 16:27:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23305; Tue, 11 Oct 94 16:19:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from edison.eng.auburn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23299; Tue, 11 Oct 94 16:19:40 -0700 Received: from netman.eng.auburn.edu (netman.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.12.24]) by edison.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA23622; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:19:39 -0500 From: Doug Hughes Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by netman.eng.auburn.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA02039; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:19:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:19:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199410112319.SAA02039@netman.eng.auburn.edu> To: jcross01@eng.eds.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pop Content-Length: 258 get popper-1.831beta.tar.Z from lilac.berkeley.edu Works on Solaris or Sunos perfectly. Other platforms?? (don't personally know, but any BSD-ish platform should be fine) Doug Hughes Engineering Network Services doug@eng.auburn.edu Auburn University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 17:32:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27650; Tue, 11 Oct 94 17:32:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19749; Tue, 11 Oct 94 17:28:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19743; Tue, 11 Oct 94 17:28:31 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 12 Oct 94 08:25:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:25:28 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jonathan Beard Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: return receipts In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 8 Oct 1994, Jonathan Beard wrote: > I am using PINE 3.89, and want to KNOW that my messages arrive at the > destination, not just that they have been SENT, which is what PINE? or my > system? now tells me. How do I do this, or is it not a PINE function? > Jonathan Your question just arrived in my mailbox. Seems it had been sent to pine-bugs initially. First, are you aware that the use of upper case on the Internet is generally considered to be SHOUTING? I think not. Best to use *asterik* if you want to place emphasis on a word. As to your question....there is no standard that defines the "return receipt" on Internet mail. (It is not a function of pine to return a receipt.) Some sendmail implementations will honor the "Return-Receipt-To:" header. However, you *must* know that the fact that you don't get a receipt doesn't mean that your mail hasn't been delivered. Also, the fact that you did get a receipt *doesn't* mean your mail was delivered. That is because it may have passed through a gateway that feels it has "delivered" your mail. The best receipt you can as for is the "hman" receipt. To implement this receipt add the text, "If you get this please let me know", to the end of your message. This also gives you the added indication that your message was actually read. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 20:07:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00963; Tue, 11 Oct 94 20:07:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22131; Tue, 11 Oct 94 20:01:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22125; Tue, 11 Oct 94 20:01:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qutfM-000008C; Tue, 11 Oct 94 19:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kkopp@cern06.ce.uiuc.edu (Kyle Koppenhoefer) Subject: Re: Problem with Pine 3.90 addressbook Date: 12 Oct 1994 00:41:31 GMT Message-Id: <37fbbr$18n@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <37efef$cod@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <37efef$cod@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kkopp@cern06.ce.uiuc.edu (Kyle Koppenhoefer) writes: > > I am running Pine 3.90 on an HP 720 running HP-UX 9.01. When I try to access > my 3.89 addressbook, I only get a few entries of my large addressbook. (Several > other users on our network do not have this problem.) Has anyone else had > this problem? > To answer my own question: Pine 3.90 does not like to have blank fields in the address book. It saw the blank field and assumed an end-of-file. When I tried to modify the address book, it truncated at the entry before the one containing the blank field. Hopefully this will help someone down the line. Kyle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 23:12:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05292; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:12:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29721; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:06:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29713; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:06:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quwaD-00000JC; Tue, 11 Oct 94 22:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Re: alt editor Date: 12 Oct 1994 05:44:14 GMT Message-Id: <37ft3f$312@agate.berkeley.edu> References: Sid Pencook (spencook@worf.infonet.net) wrote: : Is there any way to change the key to invoke the alt editor? I am : having trouble using the default with Procomm Plus. Two ways... 1. Press ESC twice and then shift-_. 2. Edit your keyboard mapping (alt-f8) and choose any function key to represent ^_. Good luck! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 11 23:17:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05522; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:17:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24971; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:13:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24722; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24716; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09046; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Seibel To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System version 3.91. This version is primarily a maintenance release intended to fix many, though not all, of the bugs reported over the last month or so. Highlighted fixes include: o Several address book bugs, including one that could destroy data. o Fixed to allow viewing MESSAGE/EXTERNAL-BODY attachments. o Fixed bug that caused pine-debug files to grow forever. o Custom-header entries may now contain colons. o If read-msg-folder is set, Pine no longer crashes. o Several other bugs resulting in program crashes. o Environment variable and improved list entry support in Setup/Config. o Improvements in mailcap support (e.g., "needsterminal" recognized). o Improvements in signal handling to prevent some loops. o Improvements in user-domain processing. o Several PC-Pine fixes (e.g., send hangs when TZ set, sorting). o New features to better support news reading, and dialup access Be sure to see Pine's builtin release notes ("R" on the Main Menu) for a more detailed account of what's changed. More general information on Pine can be found via: o The anonymous FTP archives at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine o The World-Wide-Web page at http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine Pine v3.91 is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu from the file named "pine/pine.tar.Z". Pre-compiled executables for various flavors of UNIX can be found in the "pine/unix-bin" directory, and zip'd copies of the DOS and Windows releases can be found in the "pine/pcpine" directory. Our thanks to all you who have helped with bug reports and helpful feedback! The Pine Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 00:02:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06771; Wed, 12 Oct 94 00:02:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00166; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:29:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00142; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:28:53 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29290; Tue, 11 Oct 94 22:35:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu To: Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Joachim Nerz , Alex Sharaz , Blain Nelson , Mary Brown , Paul 'Shag' Walmsley , "Charles W. Cooper II" , Chris Beecher , Resistance is useless , Rick Muse , Jeff Buck , "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" , Robert Gregory , Cheryle Pierce , Don Hamell , Maureen Carleton , "Aaron B. Ezekiel" , Matt Grob , Robert Sargent , Kenneth Mayer , Susan Sterngold , Buz_Cory , System PRIVILEGED Account , Javad Naini , David Schappert , Erlyn Baack , Dietrich Wiegandt , "Brian C. Wright" , Phil Drenth , Tim Mulligan , Ariela Ruth Duble , Ayse Ekinci , "Mike S. Lloyd" , "J. Travis Lauricella" , CATWOMAN , Susan Slocum , Bruce Lee rocks! , jsstratford@ucdavis.edu, "Jarin Satterlee (Applications Design)" , Anton Bzhelyansky , john stephenson , Irene Struthers , Sbert Callao Jose Maria Ramon-FE , Mike Saxon , "Ke, XiaoQiao Jason" , Leah Honickman , P_MORANO , Geoff Barton , Gary Shiffman , "david h. finke" , Michael J Ciha , Debra Gong , Jerry Hammond , Carrie Duckworth , Name withheld upon request , Giuseppe Bonelli , Mark Crispin , egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com, Roberto Togneri , Chandrah Malar Vm Supramaniam <945651@edna.cc.swin.edu.au>, Zachary H Leber , Petr Skoda , Dan Mandell , "P.J. MacDonald" , allan , "Juan M. Courcoul" , GH Chinoy , Rick Cross , Gordon Clarke , Barry Cornelius , Pensri Guaysuwan , George Townsend , Mega BaSS , "Kristin Hansen (IHG)" , Patrick Heck , "Philip A. Baratta" , ib bates , Xander Jansen , "Sloppy Joe, the quivering concubine of Indianapolis" , Paul Taylor , Steve Harrison , Mark William Olson , Yunyong Teng-amnuay , Kenneth Ruiz , Chih-Hao Lu , Don Brown , Mike Brudenell , Kenneth Albanowski , "H. Hollis Wickman" , phaedrus , Anita Pacha , Simon Barnes , Michael Reynolds , Jeff Hameluck , Damon Cole , "Nicholas L. Petrakis" , David Brownlee , Ryan Scott , Mumit Khan , Pierre Thibaudeau , David Lutz , Poor little fish , Chris Frezza , Randolph Langley , Eric R Dodge , Charlie Brady , "Dexter K. Chow" , "Adolfo (Ernie) Cuadra (PHARM)" , Pierre Thibaudeau , "Philip M. Howard" , Jim Davis , "Eric A. Helgeson" , Paul Bishop , Jamaica , Evan Jason Baron , Robert E Baines , Jonathan Miguel Sy , Roman Czyborra , Bryant Boggs , Stuart Seelye , Mike Roch , Jeff Ferguson , Adele Framer , Earl Fogel , Rich Baldwin , Andreas Falley , Thomas Moe , Steven Dobbs , Don Francisco , Heagarty , "Nick (Theatre Man) Donaldson" , David Buchinsky , Barry Bouwsma , Les LaPhilliph , Yash Holbrook , "King_Claudius (Chris Knight)" , Wolf Pavel , John Gordon , Mike Arst , "E. Hack" , "" , "Michele \"BaNzO\" Zamboni" , Pierre Louis Bastien , skywalker , Pivo A Zmrzlina , Thomas Hucke , useni faton , Bill Lane , Help Account , Bart Simpson , Renee Ann Byrd , "George L. Westlund" , --Navigator-- , Juan Fernandez , Tim Hansell , "Zion S.F. Wang" , James Helm , Michael Lerner , Scott Mewett , Daniel Shnowske , Sue Van Sickle , eogoldman@ucdavis.edu, dguerrer@utdallas.edu, k kilpatrick , Russ Welti , Levisky , Wayne Wymore , Steve VanDevender , "Thomas B. Clark III" , mfmartinez@ucdavis.edu, Tyson E Jackson , Lyndon Nerenberg , "Adam B. Cox" , The Man , Terry Van Ausdall , Jon Vestal , "Joseph A. Marble" , Bob Anderson , Tim Long , Stone , It's great to be fine , Elmar Kurgpold , Julian Don Horn , Grace Landel , James Spottiswoode , "Michael O. Montgomery" , Jimmy Fung , Ken Weaverling , Sami Tapani Nurmela , Stewart Jay , davidson erin marie , Grant Weber , Arthur Sanderson , root , Aardvark , nash paul robert , Kevin C Henricks , "Ashok N. Srivastava" , "Carlos F. Dierolf H." , Operator , David Hedbor , "J. Oakley" , A Weasel Named Fee , root , K C Lun , Jim Kenyon , Michael Prodor , "0000-Admin(0000)" , James West , "Kevin J. Sinclair" , Susan Feingold , Bryan Novak , Alan Wilensky , Joseph Pillow , The Friendly Stranger , Jyoti Sukhadia , "Michael U. Mueller" , Christoph Kunze , Adrian Bassett , urban anton , "Henry \"Jay\" Powell IX" , Administrative Applications , Samson Luk , "Linwood Foster (Direwolf)" , "jessica@gate.net" , Paul Nagai , Joe Marton , Kirk Robinson Cc: Pine Developers , hph@aar-vki.dk, jdn@aar-vki.dk, s8u@ornl.gov, aezekiel@unm.edu, Geoff Barton , support@worf.infonet.net, pine-info@cac.washington.edu, staff@world.std.com, Terry Gray , pine@cac.washington.edu, rajnovic@thunderbird.auc.laurentian.ca, admin@chula.ac.th, Steve Hubert , Pine Bug Reports , bob@bwc.org, Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Hans Peter Bitsch Hansen , barnes@gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com, Mumit Khan , mikes@cac.washington.edu, Problems Mail Answers , kingb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu, "Dexter K. Chow" , Alan Thornton x8434 , mike@cblcbos1.umd.edu, Abdullah Abdul Hamid , Zuraida Jamaluddin , Rebecca Wright , Help Account , David Wall , John Archer , 3Gua9.yT0@mendel.vszbr.cz, "ing. Vladimir Klejch" , Ron Aley , bob stoller , Sheri Saville , postmaster@efn.org, Wayne Wymore , Bob Williams , is-unix-acc , Jerry de Raad , David Hedbor , root , Will Rowe , Kevin Thomas VanAuker , Gregory Gulik , Pine Bugs , Moshe Goldberg , Patrick Price , D.M.Roch@reading.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 bug reports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, Sorry about the bulk reply, but we have been inundated by bug reports and help requests since the release of Pine 3.90. You have all reported bugs or problems that I believe are fixed in Pine 3.91, which was just released. Rather than individually reply to all of the outstanding reports with basically the same message, I have decided to send one big message :) The official announcement of Pine 3.91 should appear on the pine-announce and pine-info mailing lists and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup shortly. Please obtain the new release from ftp.cac.washington.edu and let us know if you have any further difficulties. Thank you for your assistance and patience! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 01:02:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08712; Wed, 12 Oct 94 01:02:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26442; Wed, 12 Oct 94 00:51:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26436; Wed, 12 Oct 94 00:51:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0quyC8-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 00:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: MMDF mailbox/folder format supported? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:21:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 10 Oct 1994, John Edwards wrote: > Hi. We have PINE 3.89 under BSDI BSD/386 1.1. We switched one of our machines > from MMDF mailer to sendmail. When users attempted to access mail, ELM said > folder was 'corrupt' and PINE said that spooled mail is not a folder. > Once I stripped out the CTRL-A's separating messages in one of the > mailboxes, it worked OK. > > I read in the technical notes that MMDF format is supported. How do I > access my MMDF mail without having to strip it of control characters? In that case, what you need is the following extremely technical set of aliases! (In fact, being but a biologist and not a computer scientist, these took me a fair few hours to perfect, but there we go.) They convert from MMDF to standard UNIX mail (although you'll have to edit them to reflect your particular system, obviously. These will only work for me in particular on my particular system as is. Only a few minor and very simple changes need to be made, however.) Well, I ramble. Here they come... --Simon. alias maila 'rsh mailhost mv /var/spool/pp/mail-mmdf/syb3 mail/temp1' alias mailb "tr -d '' < ~syb3/mail/temp1 > ~syb3/mail/temp2" alias mailc "awk '"'/^Return-Path:/ {print "From syb3@decb.aber.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 00:00:00 1994";a=""} /./ {print a $0;a=""} \\!/./ {a=a "\n"}'"' < ~syb3/mail/temp2 > ~syb3/mail/temp3" alias maild 'cat ~syb3/mail/temp3 >> ~syb3/mail/inbox' alias maile 'rm ~syb3/mail/temp*' alias in 'maila;mailb;mailc;maild;maile;clear' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 02:52:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11596; Wed, 12 Oct 94 02:52:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28077; Wed, 12 Oct 94 02:46:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28071; Wed, 12 Oct 94 02:46:54 -0700 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA23861 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:46:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:46:47 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine version 3.91 is out and great! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Pine 3.91 is working perfectly here on a SunOS systems network. Compiled with gcc 2.6.0 and optimisation, debugging off. MIME messages can be viewed now without core dumps and the speedups are great too (I experience the same performance with imap now as I did with NFS). Thanks Pine Team! Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 03:46:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13167; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:46:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03850; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:41:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03844; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:41:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv0p4-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 10:16:39 GMT Message-Id: References: <36t8ok$n8h@mp.cs.niu.edu> <36vi69$3aa@news.halcyon.com> <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In Article <3713p0$5j7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote: >The proper course of action is to modify the newsreader software to >include a "post and mail" command. The mailed copies get mail headers, >the posted ones get news headers. > >At best, it means the originating newsreader inserting an >"X-Also-Mailed-To:" or "X-Also-Posted-To:" header in the generated >packages. I'd feel better if the "X-Also-Mailed-To:" and "X-Also-Posted-To:" were mandatory for post and mail cloned messages (ie: document that this occurred). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 04:11:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14645; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:11:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04271; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:04:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04256; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:04:33 -0700 Via: uk.ac.umds.miranda; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:42:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:43:21 +0100 (BST) From: Pete Tedder X-Sender: pwt42@miranda To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: 3.91 says you have not used 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Minor error (at 2 places in pine.c). When you first run 3.91 it says "your config file shows that this is the first time you've run 3.90". I've modified our pine.c so, hey, I'm a programmer again. Pete Tedder Computer Manager UMDS (Guy's campus) London From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 04:12:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14690; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:12:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29444; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:06:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29438; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:06:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv1Ca-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: GUIDE> PineTutorial Message-Id: References: <1994Oct10.220342.13430@math.utah.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:18:23 GMT Chris Alfeld wrote: » ----> Pine Tutorial <---- » --> Rev. 1 <-- [...] »You will see the line: »+ N 1 Mar 27 To: Chris Alfeld < (419) Tutorial Letter »A B C D E F »A: A plus represents that this letter is unread. No. A "+" indicates that the message was meant for you. You are specified on the To: field and not the Cc: field. Not trying to be pedantic, I like the document. Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 04:25:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15028; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:25:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04623; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:19:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04617; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:19:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv1NR-00000JC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 03:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available Date: 12 Oct 1994 10:35:01 GMT Message-Id: <37ge4l$1iu@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, mikes@cac.washington.edu (Michael Seibel) says: >Pine v3.91 is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu Pine 3.91 is also mirrored for the benefit of users in the Czech Republic and Slovakia in source form on ftp://ftp.vszbr.cz/pub/mail/pine/pine3.91.tar.* in both .Z and .gz formats. PC-Pine binaries can be found under ftp://ftp.vszbr.cz/pub/mail/pine/pcpine/* -- Barry Bouwsma, VSZ Brno, Czech Republic Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, bike hacking myself into the Internet from wherever I happen to be at the time, have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 04:55:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15948; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:55:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00153; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:49:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00146; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:49:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv1qT-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 04:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kkopp@cern06.ce.uiuc.edu (Kyle Koppenhoefer) Subject: Problem with Pine 3.90 addressbook Message-Id: <37efef$cod@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 11 Oct 94 16:45:03 GMT I am running Pine 3.90 on an HP 720 running HP-UX 9.01. When I try to access my 3.89 addressbook, I only get a few entries of my large addressbook. (Several other users on our network do not have this problem.) Has anyone else had this problem? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 05:41:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17566; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:41:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05791; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:37:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05785; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:37:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv2e8-00000WC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eb139@cs.city.ac.uk (Zaheer Mahmood) Subject: Usenet news in Pine(subscribing to newsgroups) Message-Id: Date: 11 Oct 94 17:04:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could any1 tell me what exactly pine does when you subscribe to a newsgroup? All it has done so far is messed up my subscribe file in the 'nn' news reader. ! What I would like is a shortcut to typing in the full name of the group you want to go to...and also going through pages and pages until a group you want to go to appears...as far as i know if I subscribe to a newsgroup using Pine it just takes the newsgroup off the list of availale groups. Also would any1 happen to know any good nntp servers out there? please reply by EMAIL as my internet time is severely restricted thank you! +----------------------------------------------------+ | Zaheer Mahmood, The City University, London, UK. | +----------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 06:01:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18074; Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:01:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01106; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:53:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01100; Wed, 12 Oct 94 05:53:34 -0700 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA24513 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:53:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:53:31 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available In-Reply-To: <37ge4l$1iu@news.ysu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > >Pine v3.91 is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu > > Pine 3.91 is also mirrored for the benefit of users in the Czech Republic > and Slovakia in source form on I have put it on our site also: dnpap.et.tudelft.nl:/pub/Unix/Mail/pine3.91.tar.gz Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 06:32:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18897; Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:32:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01610; Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:27:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ousrvr.oulu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01604; Wed, 12 Oct 94 06:27:35 -0700 Received: from paju.oulu.fi by oulu.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15216; Wed, 12 Oct 94 15:27:34 +0200 Received: by paju.oulu.fi (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for @ousrvr.oulu.fi:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA25298; Wed, 12 Oct 94 15:27:33 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:27:30 +0200 (EET) From: Marko Hotti To: Pine-Info Mailing List Subject: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1 E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content- Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to *read* 8-bit mail with Pine. Here is an example on the message headers: (It is a clip from a message I've got today. Someone is answering to my post in one of the local newsgroups) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you for any help! -Marko- ============================================================================== Marko Hotti * University of Oulu * Faculty of Medicine * Suomi - FINLAND ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EMail: mhotti@paju.oulu.fi WWW: http://phoenix.oulu.fi/~mhotti/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- SMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU Tel: +358-(9)81-5304878 ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 11:53:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04891; Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:53:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14039; Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:41:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14012; Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:41:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv7LA-00002iC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 10:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iss004@cips2.gm.fh-koeln.de (Joerg Passenberg) Subject: multiple selections in news-collections ? Message-Id: Date: 11 Oct 94 19:50:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello ! I'm using pine 3.90 and i want to define a mask in my news-collection, because i have different news-server. So, how can i tell pine to show me at newsserver A all comp* AND alt* etc groups, and by newsserver B de* AND z*-Groups ?? E.G. How to define multiple selections in news-collections. This doesn't work (only when using one Selection inside []): news-collections=News A *{news.de/nntp}[alt*, com*], News B *{news.de/nntp}[z*, de*]. By, Joerg --- Joerg Passenberg eMail: iss004@cips1.gm.fh-koeln.de (NeXTMail ok) Alte Hofstr.31 finger for pgp-Key ! 51709 Marienheide Phone: +49 2264 6991 Germany Fax: +49 2264 28223 (by arrangement) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 12:44:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06799; Wed, 12 Oct 94 12:44:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10311; Wed, 12 Oct 94 12:38:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10305; Wed, 12 Oct 94 12:38:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qv8pV-00003mC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 11:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Pine 3.91: Minor compile problem for D-G build Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:05:04 -0400 Message-Id: <37g5bg$1na@hopi.dtcc.edu> Pine 3.91 is out and fixes (almost) the utime problem that caused 3.90 to futz up modification times on mailboxes on D-G builds. However, the fix requires the header file be included somewhere, which it isn't. I just put #include in the c-client/os_d-g.c file to fix it. The compile error is: cc -g -Dconst= -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto \ -DRSH=\"restsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/restsh\" \ -c os_d-g.c os_d-g.c: In function `portable_utime': os_d-g.c:78: storage size of `times' isn't known Fatal error in /usr/lib/gcc/cc1 Child exit status 041 *** Error code 1 Other than this, it's a clean compile on DG/UX systems and appears to work fine. pine 3.91 is available from ftp.cac.washington.edu -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| My opinions .NEQ. college's position From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 13:39:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09909; Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:39:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11769; Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:33:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11763; Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:33:42 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22442; Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:33:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Joerg Passenberg Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: multiple selections in news-collections ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joerg, Your expression syntax is a little too rich for Pine's blood. Try: news-collections= "News alt" *{news.de/nntp}[alt*], "News com" *{news.de/nntp}[com*], "News z" *{news.de/nntp}[z*]. "News de" *{news.de/nntp}[de*]. -teg On 11 Oct 1994, Joerg Passenberg wrote: > Hello ! > > I'm using pine 3.90 and i want to define a mask in > my news-collection, because i have different news-server. > > So, how can i tell pine to show me at > newsserver A all comp* AND alt* etc groups, and by > newsserver B de* AND z*-Groups ?? > > E.G. How to define multiple selections in news-collections. > > This doesn't work (only when using one Selection inside []): > news-collections=News A *{news.de/nntp}[alt*, com*], > News B *{news.de/nntp}[z*, de*]. > > By, Joerg > --- > Joerg Passenberg eMail: iss004@cips1.gm.fh-koeln.de (NeXTMail ok) > Alte Hofstr.31 finger for pgp-Key ! > 51709 Marienheide Phone: +49 2264 6991 > Germany Fax: +49 2264 28223 (by arrangement) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 14:20:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11524; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:20:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17641; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:12:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17624; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:11:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvAbz-00001jC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 13:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hh77@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu (Hao Huang) Subject: VMS tools Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:05:41 GMT Message-Id: <37h1gl$hqd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> I just got a VAX/VMS account and I'd like to compile PINE3.91 on it. But, as I can only get the compressed PINE source files at ftp sites, decompression tolls such as tar, compress, gunzip on unix are necessary. Could anybody tell me well to get it? Also, does Pine3.91 compilable on VAX/VMS? Any reply will be appreciated! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 14:29:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11935; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:29:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17917; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:23:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17909; Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:23:50 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa19734; 12 Oct 94 17:23 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA20035; Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:23:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Jason Haar Cc: header-people@mc.lcs.mit.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Oct 1994, Jason Haar wrote: > > I still think the only issue here is whether or not pine should post > articles into News based on the presence of a Newsgroups: header. > I think the only issue is whether a program should put Newsgroups headers into mail messages when that mail message is not also intended to be posted to those newsgroups - i.e. as an indicator that this (mail-only) message is in reply to a news message that was posted to those groups. My opinion is NO - but that is admittedly not based on an explicit statement in any standard, but on "son of rfc1036" - which Henry Spencer never got around to issuing as an RFC, but which clears up a lot of ambiguities of rfc1036, rfc822 and the intent of mail and news messages to be compatible. It is more explicit about both the semantics of Newsgroups: - that it "specifies which newsgroup(s) the article is posted to". Rfc1036 says: "The 'Newsgroups' line specifies the newsgroup or newsgroups in which the message belongs." "belongs" can certainly be interpreted more widely to mean somthing other than "posted" . But more generally, if you accept that documents premise that news and mail articles are supposed to be compatible message formats, then giving "Newsgroups:" the same semantics in both contexts is the only sensible interpretation. You may not accept that premise, but I think the fact that this has come up is evidence that the world is starting to resemble that premise. Tin and Trn are taking their own steps towards unification - however I think they are doing it wrong. There *IS* a not unreasonable argument to be made that they aren't wrong. But I don't think, and I haven't yet seen, a reasonable argument that what Pine does is in any way wrong. [ "son of rfc1036" available at: ] -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 16:34:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18217; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:34:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15608; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:28:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15602; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:28:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvClx-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Memory leak? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:18:41 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37bctg$j71@pluto.njcc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37bctg$j71@pluto.njcc.com> Which versions? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 10 Oct 1994, Brad Murray wrote: > Date: 10 OCT 1994 08:43:28 -0400 > From: Brad Murray > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Memory leak? > > My admin told me that he had to take down the latest version of Pine because > it seemed to have a memory leak in it. Is this true or did he have it setup > wrong? He said that it was taking up like 10 times as much memory as the old > version did when 5 people were using it at once. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Bradley S. Murray > Princeton Computer Consulting, Inc. Phone: (609) 799-5300 > 20 Lorrie Lane Box 7345 Fax: (609) 275-5651 > Princeton, NJ 08543-7345 Internet: bmurray@pluto.njcc.com > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ***Super QWK 1.0*** > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 16:54:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18987; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:54:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16001; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:48:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15995; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:48:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvD86-00000PC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Lance R. Marrou" Subject: Two news collections, please help! Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:11:54 +0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have access to two news collection, each at different sites. The local collection does not allow general UseNet access. The other does. I want both. How is this possible using pine 3.90? When I change it to one or the other, all my newsgroups get changed to the one I change it to. If I put both collections in the configuration, then it only accepts the most recent addition. _______________________________________________________ IST __ E-mail: marrou@vsl.ist.ucf.edu Visual / / ______ /\____ ______ ______ Systems / / / _ / / __ // ____// ____/ Lab / /__ / /_/ / / / / // /___ / __/_ R. Marrou ________/____//____/\\/_/ /_//_____//_____/____________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 16:54:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19003; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:54:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21223; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21217; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:48:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvD7v-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sofsky@midget.towson.edu (Frank Sofsky) Subject: Options In PINE Date: 12 Oct 1994 17:34:19 GMT Message-Id: <37h6mr$7m5@news.umbc.edu> I want to be able to set options in PINE, but everytime I select Setup and then Options it will say: No options yet Is there something that I must do to activate the Options selection or is it something that my synop must first do? Thank You Frank From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 17:52:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22162; Wed, 12 Oct 94 17:52:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22659; Wed, 12 Oct 94 17:48:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22653; Wed, 12 Oct 94 17:48:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvE5K-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 17:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pop Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:26:56 -0700 Message-Id: References: <199410112217.AA12328@gmlink.gmeds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199410112217.AA12328@gmlink.gmeds.com> The source for the ipop3d server is included in the UW IMAP Toolkit available from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 OCT 1994 22:18:45 GMT > From: Jason Cross > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: pop > > this may not be a pine question, but where can I get the > source to pop3? thanks. > > > ciao, > Jason Cross > EDS > Troy, Mi. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 18:31:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23422; Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:31:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23373; Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:26:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23361; Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:26:46 -0700 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08899; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:25:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 21:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Newsgroups falsely reptd empty w pine v3.90 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anybody have an idea why Pine 3.90 would falsely report some of my newsgroups as being empty? About a third of my newsgroups (all of which have scads of articles in them currently viewable with another newsreader such as tin or rn) are falsely reported as empty. When I check my .newsrc file or list the current holdings in /usr/spool/news/comp/mail/pine, for example, I see lots of current article numbers, the same ones I can read with tin or rn, but pine 3.90 tells me they are empty. Other newsgroups, whose appearance in .newsrc or in the above directory listing, is indistinguishable from the newsgroups falsely reported as empty, are presented by pine 3.90 in a perfectly normal way! Any ideas will be most gratefully welcomed! ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 19:13:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24655; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:13:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18825; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:07:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18819; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:07:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvFFo-00000JC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:21:48 GMT Message-Id: References: Pine 3.91 compiles just fine on SCO systems (at least, on my Unix SysVr3.2v4.2). For those of you without compilers, I have put a package of the various binaries and man pages for pine (pine, pico, imapd, ipopxd, mtest) on anonymous FTP from soils.agron.iastate.edu, with the name pine3.91.sco.bins.tar.gz. It's currently in /pub/incoming, and will eventually wind up in /pus/sco/unix/pine. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 19:27:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24968; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:27:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24260; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:22:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24254; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:22:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvFRU-00000BC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mats@exodata.se (Mats Akerberg) Subject: pine,gcc & solaris 2.3! Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:31:38 GMT Hi! Have someone succeded in building pine 3.91 on a solaris 2.3 system using gcc 2.5.8? If yes, give me a hint :-)! /Mats -- Mats Akerberg (mats@exodata.se) Exo Data AB Snail: Box 8312 S-163 08 Spanga Sweden Phone: + 46 8 795 98 30 FAX: + 46 8 36 55 78 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 19:33:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25087; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:33:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19099; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:29:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19093; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:29:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvFdj-00000JC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka) Subject: What's the use of having multiple INBOXes? Date: 12 Oct 1994 19:27:58 +0200 Message-Id: <37h6auINNsu6@tahma.cs.hut.fi> Could someone please enlighten me on what is the use of being able to have multiple incoming mailboxes (INBOXes)? At the moment I have 6 email addresses. 5 of them have been forwarded to one single place using the sendmail ~/.forward file. If I have understood correctly, with Pine I could trash the .forward file and read all my 6 incoming folders directly using IMAP servers. But what do I gain from the change? I can understand that if e.g. I would be reading my university mailbox from my work, it would be nice to be able to respond to the messages so that the sender would be my university account, instead of my corporate account. And vice versa. However, I don't think Pine can do such a thing. I'm just asking because I always like to take full advantage of all the features of the programs I work with: so why should I use multiple INBOXes? -- Sami Tikka "Peace and Long Life." "Live Long and Prosper." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 20:03:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26281; Wed, 12 Oct 94 20:03:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24791; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:58:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24785; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:58:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvG8e-00000LC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 19:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tayman@zeus.towson.edu (Greg Tayman) Subject: HELP!! Question regarding the moving of folders every month.. Date: 13 Oct 1994 02:26:40 GMT Message-Id: <37i5t0$ci8@news.umbc.edu> Hello everyone! I am using Pine 3.85 which I have found to be VERY helpful...Except for one minor detail...I understand that Pine prompts the user at the beginning of every month about the moving of folders, but currently I have so much mail in my many folders that it literally takes several hours.. I remember that after a certain day everything is automatically saved & moved over...This happened last month, but I forget the day now...I am eager to start using my PINE folders again...Does anyone know the default date?? If someone can help me I would greatly appreciate it... e-mail is fine, as I can read it through the UNIX mail command... Thank you for your time, -- Greg (Mr. Vinyl @ TSU) ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:13:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28244; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:13:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25907; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:08:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25901; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:08:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvH6P-00000JC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 20:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andy@franklin.uga.edu (Andrew Seabolt) Subject: Re: Improper handling of a wyse and wyse50? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 21:53:55 Message-Id: References: <37adro$h5o@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu> In article Brad writes: >On 10 Oct 1994, Cort wrote: >> I've had trouble getting pine to use a wyse and wyse50 terminal properly. >> I've looked through the technical notes and documentation and haven't found >> any references to this problem. > I'm pretty sure that Pine doesn't support these terminals. > --Simon. We use Wyse60 terminals capable of emulating a VT100/Wyse75 terminal. I think that Simon is right in saying that PINE doesn't support terminals with the attributes that "normal" Wyse 50 terminals have. We had to completely reconfigure our terminals here so that all our applications running off our Sparc 10 (running 4.1.3) would also emulate the Wyse75 terminal which is nothing more than a VT100 terminal that gives a few plusses with function key and keypad emulation. Since we've had PINE installed on our system though since version 3.04, I haven't looked to see if the support has been expanded to include the Wyse native terminal, I have a feeling it might not even now ... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:13:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28263; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:13:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20688; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:08:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20682; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:08:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvH66-00000FC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 20:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andy.Behrens@coat.com Subject: Re: Improper handling of a wyse and wyse50? Date: 12 Oct 1994 18:35:14 GMT Message-Id: <37ha92$m80@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <37adro$h5o@chaos.aoc.nrao.edu> cort@sphinx.cs.nmt.edu (Cort) writes: > I've had trouble getting pine to use a wyse and wyse50 terminal properly. > I've looked through the technical notes and documentation and haven't found > any references to this problem. > > I'm having the problem on suns running sunos 4.1.3 (haven't tried our other > architectures yet) with a wyse and wyse50. The most likely cause of your trouble is that the Wyse50 "highlighting" commands actually take up a character position on the screen, so the following text is shifted right by one space. Pine doesn't realize that this is happening, so when it redraws the screen, it may put text in the wrong place. There *is* a workaround for this. You can edit the termcap file -- tell Pine to use "set write-protect" instead of "set display attribute" when it wants to highlight. Write-protect, unlike the other attributes, does not take up a character position. Here's what you need to change in the termcap file. (Some of this is from memory, so I may be slightly off). 1. Change the :so=\EG4: attribute to :so=\E): 2. Change the :se=\EG0: attribute to :se=\E(: 3. Change the :sg#1: attribute to :sg#0: 4. On the terminal's set-up menu, indicate that write-protected characters should be displayed as "inverse-video" (instead of the factory-default setting of "half-intensity"). This fix also works for Televideo 910/925 terminals, except you may have to skip step 4. Andy -- Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. (Anne Herbert) Andy Behrens P.O. Box 116, South Strafford, Vermont 05070 Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Rd., Etna, N.H. 03750 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:14:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28319; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:14:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25964; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:11:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25937; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:10:59 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11541; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:10:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 21:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Greg Tayman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP!! Question regarding the moving of folders every month.. In-Reply-To: <37i5t0$ci8@news.umbc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg, It's always depressing to learn of someone who has been suffering with a bug that was fixed over a year ago... If I remember correctly 3.85 got confused about timeouts on the beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning and ended up taking *forever*. The current version of Pine is 3.91, just released yesterday. You'll find that later versions move through the pruning prompts much more briskly, but you can also turn the feature off entirely by editing your .pinerc and setting "last-time-prune-questioned" to some date far in the future. -teg On 13 Oct 1994, Greg Tayman wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > I am using Pine 3.85 which I have found to be VERY helpful...Except for > one minor detail...I understand that Pine prompts the user at the > beginning of every month about the moving of folders, but currently I > have so much mail in my many folders that it literally takes several hours.. > I remember that after a certain day everything is automatically saved & > moved over...This happened last month, but I forget the day now...I am > eager to start using my PINE folders again...Does anyone know the default > date?? > > If someone can help me I would greatly appreciate it... > > e-mail is fine, as I can read it through the UNIX mail > command... > > Thank you for your time, > > -- > Greg (Mr. Vinyl @ TSU) > ============================================================================== > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:33:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28652; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:33:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20920; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:29:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20914; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:29:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvHWO-00000FC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sid Pencook Subject: alt editor Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to change the key to invoke the alt editor? I am having trouble using the default with Procomm Plus. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sidney E. Pencook Radcliffe, IA SPencook@INS.INFONET.NET SPencook@worf.INFONET.net =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:37:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28736; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:37:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26267; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:34:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26261; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:33:58 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:11:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:11:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Greg Tayman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP!! Question regarding the moving of folders every month.. In-Reply-To: <37i5t0$ci8@news.umbc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 13 Oct 1994, Greg Tayman wrote: > I am using Pine 3.85 which I have found to be VERY helpful...Except for > one minor detail...I understand that Pine prompts the user at the > beginning of every month about the moving of folders, but currently I > have so much mail in my many folders that it literally takes several hours.. > I remember that after a certain day everything is automatically saved & > moved over...This happened last month, but I forget the day now...I am > eager to start using my PINE folders again...Does anyone know the default > date?? > pine 3.85 ?? How about upgrading to 3.91?? Anyway, pine does prompt you on the 1st day of each month concerning the deletion and movement of your "sent-mail" folder. If you don't wish to be prompted you can look in your .pinerc file for a line like: last-time-prune-questioned= (This is in 3.90.....3.85 may be different) and set it to a date in the future. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 21:43:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28898; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:43:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26351; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:39:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26345; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:39:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvHhG-00000LC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 21:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu (Nick Pikarsky) Subject: HELP Pine 3.90 OpenVMS (v6.1 AXP) Date: 12 Oct 1994 19:06:45 GMT Message-Id: <37hc45$7ck@miasun.med.miami.edu> Help, I have been tring to bring up pine for OpenVMS (v6.1 axp) for the last couple of days. I have brought source over from both ftp.cac.washington.edu and vms.huji.ac.il, each one of them has a problem. From ftp.cac.washington it looks like the vms build files for 3.90 and 3.91 are missing as well as some of the sources from c-client. From vms.huji.ac.il 3.90_beta sources come up with various compile or link problems. In the c-client section I get an unresolved on the link for "STDPROTO", in the pine section I get a cc-e-notcompat for the symbol void get_windsize() in the module tty_vms.c. Is there anybody out there that can help me with these issues or is there a cleaner copy of pine the pine sources for OpenVMS (axp), please let me know. Thanks in advance Nick Pikarsky pikarsky@cancer.med.miami.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 22:28:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29779; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:28:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21653; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:24:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21645; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:24:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvIIV-00000NC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Options In PINE Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:05:16 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37h6mr$7m5@news.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37h6mr$7m5@news.umbc.edu> Get the latest version of Pine. 3.91 was just released... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Oct 1994, Frank Sofsky wrote: > Date: 12 OCT 1994 17:34:19 GMT > From: Frank Sofsky > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Options In PINE > > > I want to be able to set options in PINE, but everytime I select > Setup and then Options it will say: No options yet > > Is there something that I must do to activate the Options selection > or is it something that my synop must first do? > > Thank You > Frank > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 22:43:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00291; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:43:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27198; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:39:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27192; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:39:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvIbt-00000FC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mowrer@alphaii.alphamed.com () Subject: Cursors Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 20:16:04 GMT With Pine 3.91 installed on aix 3.2 and using a wy50 terminal on a serial connection how do I get the cursor keys to work? Thanks -- _/_/_/_/_/ Jim Mowrer _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ mowrer@alphamed.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ...There's no place like $HOME _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 22:57:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00586; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:57:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22019; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:54:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22013; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:54:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvIpT-00000VC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:26:03 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: As long as you have "character-set=ISO-8859-1" in the Setup/Config screen, Pine should display 8bit without any difficulty. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 OCT 1994 13:27:30 GMT > From: Marko Hotti > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! > > > Hello! > > In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1 > E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content- > Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to > *read* 8-bit mail with Pine. Here is an example on the message > headers: (It is a clip from a message I've got today. Someone is > answering to my post in one of the local newsgroups) > > X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Thank you for any help! > > -Marko- > > > ============================================================================== > Marko Hotti * University of Oulu * Faculty of Medicine * Suomi - FINLAND > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EMail: mhotti@paju.oulu.fi WWW: http://phoenix.oulu.fi/~mhotti/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > SMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU Tel: +358-(9)81-5304878 > ============================================================================== > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 12 23:03:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00720; Wed, 12 Oct 94 23:03:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27457; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:59:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27451; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:59:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvIxI-00000FC; Wed, 12 Oct 94 22:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Re: What's the use of having multiple INBOXes? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: <37h6auINNsu6@tahma.cs.hut.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37h6auINNsu6@tahma.cs.hut.fi> On 12 Oct 1994, Sami-Jaakko Tikka wrote: > Could someone please enlighten me on what is the use of being able to > have multiple incoming mailboxes (INBOXes)? The most obvious reason to me is for those people who have addresses from which they can't create a .forward file. Just because a person has an email address, doesn't mean they have a login account. > If I have understood correctly, with Pine I could trash the .forward > file and read all my 6 incoming folders directly using IMAP servers. > > But what do I gain from the change? I can understand that if e.g. I > would be reading my university mailbox from my work, it would be nice > to be able to respond to the messages so that the sender would be my > university account, instead of my corporate account. And vice versa. > However, I don't think Pine can do such a thing. Separating your email like this could be another reason to have multiple inboxes. The limitation you mention, as far as I know, is correct. The Pine team want to make context-sensitive Reply-to: fields part of a future release? :) -- +-------------------+------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | University of Michigan | Systems Administrator | +-------------------+------------------+-----------+--------------------------+ | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 | Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 | (313) 763-5449 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu | Pager: (810) 617-8793 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 02:33:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05608; Thu, 13 Oct 94 02:33:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24882; Thu, 13 Oct 94 02:26:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24876; Thu, 13 Oct 94 02:26:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvM1R-00000fC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 02:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka) Subject: Re: tcl/tk pine, ... ? Date: 13 Oct 1994 08:19:05 +0200 Message-Id: <37ijgpINNt3p@tahma.cs.hut.fi> References: In bogusz@fuw.edu.pl (Wojtek Bogusz) writes: > I wonder what do you think about that kind of idea and is it possible >that some one who knows pine source would help with creating >"libpine.a" ? Or may be such lib is already available ? Any other >ideas :-) ? There is already such a library. It is called c-client. I think it comes with the Pine source distribution. This is an excerpt from the Pine tech-notes.txt: Not long after the Pine project began, The IMAP author had finished writing the "c-client" library as an interface to IMAP and as a switch between drivers for IMAP mailboxes, Berkeley mail files and Tenex mail files. In time, "c-client" became a full messaging API with support for RFC-822 parsing, MIME parsing and decoding, SMTP and NNTP drivers, and so forth. Great care was taken to make the code writing the mail files robust against disks filling up, and inter-process lock- ing in order to guarantee mail file consistency. It was clear that Pine would benefit greatly from using the c-client to access mail storage so the original low-level Elm code was replaced by calls to c-client library routines. Consequently Pine can write and access a variety of different mail file formats and new ones can be added by creating a simple driver. In addition the c-client does a very careful job of doing all the RFC 822 header parsing and achieves the highest compliance with the RFC. -- Sami Tikka "Peace and Long Life." "Live Long and Prosper." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 03:38:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07276; Thu, 13 Oct 94 03:38:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01231; Thu, 13 Oct 94 03:30:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01225; Thu, 13 Oct 94 03:30:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvNAw-00000OC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 03:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nickerson@molbiol.ox.ac.uk (Darren Nickerson) Subject: Pine echoes * to the top _LEFT_ corner Message-Id: <1994Oct12.223353.1@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> Date: 12 Oct 94 22:33:53 GMT This may be a FAQ, but I was wondering if anyone using recent versions of pine has managed to find a workaround for the following annoyance. When using Pine over VersaTerm, a character is echoed to the top right-hand corner of the screen each time Pine checks for new mail. This causes my VTerm session to report activity if it is in the background by beeping. In older versions of Pine this was a great way to be notified of new mail. In addition, once the session has reported activity, it will no longer beep again until it is brought to the foreground. So I have 3 sessions running Pine on separate machines, and the 2 that I have in the background at any given time will beep once within minutes of being backgrounded, and will then remain silent. Is there any way to recompile Pine without this character-echoing, or otherwise disable this feature? Please tell me there is. -Darren -- ########################################################################## # Darren Nickerson | # # New Chemistry Laboratory | If the truth can be told # # University of Oxford | so as to be understood, # # Oxford, England | it will be believed. # # (0865) 271549 | # ########################################################################## From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 04:16:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08686; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:16:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26447; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:09:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26435; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:09:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvNfg-000008C; Thu, 13 Oct 94 03:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: 13 Oct 1994 08:06:49 GMT Message-Id: <37ipqp$f1l@agate.berkeley.edu> References: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : As long as you have "character-set=ISO-8859-1" in the Setup/Config : screen, Pine should display 8bit without any difficulty. Does that mean that if I have US-ASCII, I can't see 8bit characters? I have the setting for US-ASCII, but I still can read and write! Does anyone know why? I am using Ultrix 4.3 with tcsh 6.02 shell and stty -ipass stty pass8 in my .login Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 05:04:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09713; Thu, 13 Oct 94 05:04:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02551; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:55:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02545; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:55:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvOUb-00000PC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 04:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine echoes * to the top _LEFT_ corner Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct12.223353.1@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct12.223353.1@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> This feature is disabled by default in Pine 3.90 and Pine 3.91... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Oct 1994, Darren Nickerson wrote: > Date: 12 OCT 94 22:33:53 GMT > From: Darren Nickerson > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine echoes * to the top _LEFT_ corner > > This may be a FAQ, but I was wondering if anyone using recent versions of pine > has managed to find a workaround for the following annoyance. When using Pine > over VersaTerm, a character is echoed to the top right-hand corner of the > screen each time Pine checks for new mail. This causes my VTerm session to > report activity if it is in the background by beeping. In older versions of > Pine this was a great way to be notified of new mail. In addition, once the > session has reported activity, it will no longer beep again until it is > brought to the foreground. So I have 3 sessions running Pine on separate > machines, and the 2 that I have in the background at any given time will beep > once within minutes of being backgrounded, and will then remain silent. > > Is there any way to recompile Pine without this character-echoing, or > otherwise disable this feature? Please tell me there is. > > -Darren > > -- > ########################################################################## > # Darren Nickerson | # > # New Chemistry Laboratory | If the truth can be told # > # University of Oxford | so as to be understood, # > # Oxford, England | it will be believed. # > # (0865) 271549 | # > ########################################################################## > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 10:20:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19957; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:20:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02807; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:09:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02801; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:09:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvTG8-00001rC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mtbc100@cus.cam.ac.uk (Mark T.B. Carroll) Subject: Re: What's the use of having multiple INBOXes? Date: 13 Oct 1994 15:53:49 GMT Message-Id: <37jl6d$mr4@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <37h6auINNsu6@tahma.cs.hut.fi> Well, I'm on several systems, and usually have my mail redirected to one, but if that one goes down then all I have to do is cancel mail redirection elsewhere and Pine's already set up to look in the other INBOXes. Also, some (ancient) systems don't have mail redirection facilities anyway. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 11:01:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22128; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:01:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09775; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:55:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09769; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:55:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvTmG-00001zC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Traigle Subject: imapd problems Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:10:04 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have yet to get imapd 3.4 working on my SGI mail server. I first tried several months ago when I pulled the imapd-3.4 distribution from the ftp site when I was looking for a POP daemon. Now that it's part of the Pine distribution, I still haven't been able to get it working. I'm being forced to keep the pine3.89 distribution around just in case I need to recompile imapd. The symptom is that I am asked for a login and password even though I am set up not to need them. Once I enter the correct login information, I am told it is incorrect and cannot access my mail. Anybody else experience this and have a fix? -- +-------------------+------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | University of Michigan | Systems Administrator | +-------------------+------------------+-----------+--------------------------+ | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 | Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 | (313) 763-5449 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu | Pager: (810) 617-8793 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 11:29:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23583; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:29:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04187; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:00:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04181; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:00:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvTqT-000022C; Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ericr@access3.digex.net (Eric Rosenberg) Subject: PINE and Novell Help, Please! Date: 13 Oct 1994 10:06:05 -0400 Message-Id: We're using Pine on out Apple Quadra running A/UX here at VITA. If you dial in or telnet in, all is well, but if you connect to the Quadara through our Novell LAN, it appears to transpose alt-M and alt-J, so that you can never hit return! Is there a fix for this? It's really a drag and no one here can figure out how to fix this! Please email me with your suggestions, either here (ericr@access.digex.com) or at my work address (ericr@vita.org) Thanks! Eric Rosenberg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 12:28:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26410; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:28:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11437; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:05:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11431; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:05:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvUuZ-00002IC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aaronl@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Aaron Lambert) Subject: Problems with getting Pine v3.91 to work Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:02:30 GMT I am having problem getting Pine version 3.91. Uncompress reports errors on trying to decompress it, and I am not sure if it will compile on the HP 715/50. Can anyone help?? (The executable version wouldn't work on the above system either.) -- Aaron Lambert at the University of Edinburgh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 12:38:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26973; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:38:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12002; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:32:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11990; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:32:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvVXG-00002IC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djolley@kaiwan.com (Donald Douglas Jolley) Subject: Setting up an imap server under Linux Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:23:48 -0700 Message-Id: I have been told that there is an imap newsgroup, although, I have been unable to locate it. I would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the right direction. Basically, what I'm trying to obtain is info on how to set-up an imap server on a Linux box. My hope is to ultimately use the imap server to service pc workstations running Windows for Work Groups and pine clients. I would deeply appreciate hearing from anyone with any experience on setting up an imap server on a Linux box. Thanks for any help. ... doug ______________________________________________________________________________ Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 12:54:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27647; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:54:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06269; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:32:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06263; Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:31:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvVIS-00001mC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhjm@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Y. Mei Mah) Subject: Pine global config file Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:13:36 GMT Help. 200 users love pine. I can't keep making individual .pinerc files for them. Thaqy can't make their own. Until I can compile 3.91 on UnixWare, I have to set smtp-server to localhost for them to be able to mail from pine. Where is and in what format is the global pinerc file? email replies to mdiehn@warren-wilson.edu and I'll summerize here if need be. Thanks, Michael J. Diehn Warren Wilson College Swannanoa, NC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 14:33:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02481; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:33:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08747; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:16:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08741; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:16:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvWlB-00003CC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Setting up an imap server under Linux Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:54:33 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is an imap mailing list, imap@cac.washington.edu, but not currently a newsgroup. To subscribe, send a message to imap-request@cac.washington.edu. Problem reports for the UW IMAP toolkit can also be sent to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 13 Oct 1994, Donald Douglas Jolley wrote: > Date: 13 OCT 1994 11:23:48 -0700 > From: Donald Douglas Jolley > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Setting up an imap server under Linux > > I have been told that there is an imap newsgroup, although, I have > been unable to locate it. I would appreciate it if anyone could > point me in the right direction. > > Basically, what I'm trying to obtain is info on how to set-up an > imap server on a Linux box. My hope is to ultimately use the imap > server to service pc workstations running Windows for Work Groups > and pine clients. > > I would deeply appreciate hearing from anyone with any experience on > setting up an imap server on a Linux box. > > Thanks for any help. > > ... doug > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key > djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 14:45:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02878; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:45:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09132; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:36:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09126; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:36:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvXUb-00000PC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen) Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <37gn7u$p99@due.uninett.no> References: In article , mikes@cac.washington.edu (Michael Seibel) writes: >This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System >version 3.91. This version is primarily a maintenance release intended to >fix many, though not all, of the bugs reported over the last month or so. >Highlighted fixes include: This version, like all previous ones, does not build under VAX/VMS 6.1, DEC C 4.0, in spite of all the VMS*.COM files. Is there any site with useable 3.91 executables for this platform? -psi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 14:45:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02932; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:45:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15152; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:36:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15137; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:36:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvXQd-00001nC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 14:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sharon L Kraft Subject: long - 2 bugs, Pine 3.90, fixed, 1:OSF/1 & function key only, 2:MIME Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The following describes 2 bugs in Pine 3.90 (and earlier in the second case) and the output of "diff" for their fixes. The first bug only applies to OSF/1 (as far as I know) for Pine in function key mode which I tend to use most of the time, since I prefer one stroke commands to control key commands and also since the VT keyboards have a bunch of extra keys that can be bound to some of those hidden functions in Pine and Pico (my favorite is the set right fill column to change the justification column, but that's another story). Anyway, this bug appears when some function keys are used for the answers to questions or second level command responses, such as how to apply the selected messages. In fact, some of the keypad keys, especially F3 and F4 (PF3 & FP4 on VT's) get recognized by some library functions as being "alphabetic", so their associated command doesn't get executed at all, either beeps or has no function as a result. NOTE again, I've only encounterd this on our OSF/1 machines. The underlying fault is that the C library query functions, tolower and isalpha have undefined results when the value passed is not "ascii" (according to the C standard definitions of these functions). And they recognize PF3 & PF4 as alphabetic, when of course, they are not. Modifying 2 lines in status.c to check first with the builtin function isascii fixed the bug for all the cases I've found. The diff for this fix: # diff status.c status.c.original 665c665 < if(isascii(ch)) ch = isupper(ch) ? tolower(ch) : ch; --- > ch = isupper(ch) ? tolower(ch) : ch; 668,669c668 < && ((isascii(ch) && isalpha(ch) && !strchr("YyNn", ch)) /* y & n : < special cas e */ --- > && ((isalpha(ch) && !strchr("YyNn", ch)) /* y & n : special case */ The second bug appears much less likely to occur, and has been in Pine since at least 3.85, has to do with binary attachments. Note this was not a bug generated locally, but as a result of mail that was received here and the mail generation of a remote site. (elm handles this mail just fine, which is why I figure it to be a pine bug, though I don't know how the actual RFC822 specification would describe it.) The bug appears with a very specific set of circumstances and causes pine to abort. In dealing with a multipart message, where the Boundary specification includes blanks and is not enclosed in quotes, if the message is forwarded, pine aborts. Here's an example excerpted from a message that aborts pine in that case: --------- Received: by notes.nas.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL 1.2.9/1.2) id AA0318; Thu, 23 Sep 93 09:41:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9309231641.AA0318@notes.nas.edu> Received: from NAS with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 00000371D040C7FD85255F66004BCA71; Thu, 23 Sep 93 09:41:37 . . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=-- next item ---- Status: RO X-Status: This is the preamble of an RFC-1341 encoded, mixed message. ---- next item ---- Content-Type: Text/Plain Attached WP file encoded in Base64. -- Maura ---- next item ---- Content-Type: Application/X-Lotus-Notes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Description: THAI /1dQQ8ITAAABCgABAAAAAPv/BQAyAH4HAAAGABAAAABCAAAA//9WAAAAUgAAAP// fAYAAKgAAAD//1oAAAAkBwAAACN8AHcAAAABAAAAAAAAAFwE//+RADcAdwBDADMA LAEBAAAAAdEdWAJ3ADYbfRJgCQAAABAAUHMAGjfXETsAWAJQ/v7+/v7+/v/+//// /v///v//////////////////////////AQEiAOIAuALKAiwDzAP2A8oE2AT///// //94Bv///////14AMwBCAEMAmwBlAL0ApQAzAE0ATQBlAKgAMwBDADMANwBlAGUA ZQBlAGUAZQBlAGUAZQBlADcANwCoAKgAqABjAMcAmwCKAI8AowCNAH0AowClAE0A . . . etc. ---------------- And the fix is to parse boundary attributes as a "phrase" instead of a "word", as follows: tc>pwd /mnt/d0g/slk/pine3.90/imap/ANSI/c-client tc>diff rfc822.c rfc822.c.original 713,728d712 < < if(!strcmp(param->attribute,"BOUNDARY")) { /* BOUNDARY attrib may < have unquoted string for param. Others ?? */ < if ((*name != '=') || /* missing value is a no-no too */ < !(name = rfc822_parse_phrase ((s = ++name)))) < param->value = cpystr ("UNKNOWN"); < else { /* good, have equals sign */ < c = *name; /* remember delimiter */ < *name = '\0'; /* tie off value */ < rfc822_skipws (&s); /* skip leading value whitespace */ < if (*s) param->value = rfc822_cpy (s); < *name = c; /* restore delimiter */ < rfc822_skipws (&name); < } < } /* for BOUNDARY attrib */ < else { 740d723 < } /* for other attribs */ tc>cd ------------------------ And that's all. - Sharon Kraft Sys Mgr, Univ of N.H. __________________________________________________________________________ | "How can organized large-scale structures function when the atoms that | | make them up are swimming in an ocean of chaos? How can stable | | patterns of behavior arise in a fundamentally chaotic world? " | | | | "does Chaos rule the Cosmos?" - Ian Stewart (1992, Univ. of Warwick) | | | | slk@christa.unh.edu s_kraft@unhn.unh.edu | | slk@kepler.unh.edu slk@snakes.unh.edu | |__________________________________________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 19:01:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13766; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:01:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20905; Thu, 13 Oct 94 18:55:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20899; Thu, 13 Oct 94 18:55:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvbYm-00000LC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 18:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: erin@skivs.ski.org (Erin O'Neill) Subject: Macs & basic keyboards Date: 13 Oct 1994 10:18:44 -0700 Message-Id: <37jq5k$qpg@skivs.ski.org> I have a user that dials in on 2 different Macs during the week. One of the Macs has an extended keyboard & she has no problems with Pine (in fact she LOVES it). But at least once a week she is using a Mac with a basic keyboard & suddenly the arrow keys don't work, nor do the v or y. I told her that I had read in this group to try an before the key and see if that works. BUT really that's a nuissance and certainly there must be a setup for this?? We have Pine 3.90 running on a Sun 4.1.3. Any hints?? thanks. erin -- erin erin@skivs.ski.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 19:08:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13944; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:08:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14553; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:01:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14547; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:01:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvbiL-00000OC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: 3.91: How to provide write access to a global address book? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:16:37 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The global-address-book is always read-only. This saves the overhead of trying to provide locking for updates. You can insert a default value for address-book, but putting it in pine.conf.fixed will prevent users from adding their own additional addressbooks. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Steven W Orr wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 OCT 1994 21:20:24 GMT > From: Steven W Orr > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: 3.91: How to provide write access to a global address book? > > pine-3.91 running under OSF1-2.40. I created a global address book > and provided it to users using /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed. > > My problem is that I want people to be allowed to add/delete/modify > entries in the book. When pine shows me the addressbook menu it sez > that the global book is (ReadOnly). What's my problem? > > BTW, the book is given access of 0666. No problem there that I can see. > > Please email. I'll summarize. Thanks in advance. > -- > ----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana.---------------- > --------Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this.------------- > Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com > ---------------"Listen to me! We are all individuals."------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 19:34:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14832; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:34:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14845; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:24:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14839; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:24:06 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08225; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:24:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Sid Pencook Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: alt editor In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sid, If you are unable to teach Procomm how to send Ctrl-_ then there is a workaround: ESC ESC _ Pine will interpret two ESCAPE chars followed by any other as equivalent to Control- -teg On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Sid Pencook wrote: > Is there any way to change the key to invoke the alt editor? I am > having trouble using the default with Procomm Plus. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sidney E. Pencook Radcliffe, IA SPencook@INS.INFONET.NET > SPencook@worf.INFONET.net > =============================================================================== > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 19:48:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15250; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:48:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21456; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:33:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21450; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:33:37 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08393; Thu, 13 Oct 94 19:33:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Erin O'Neill Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macs & basic keyboards In-Reply-To: <37jq5k$qpg@skivs.ski.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Erin, Actually you need *two* ESCAPE characters before the desired cntrl character, in order to use the control-key workaround. As far as keyboard setup: Pine just uses the normal ascii character set (with a little special knowledge of some typical escape sequences for arrow keys.) So the question is: how to get the Mac communication software to send, for example, control characters --espcially if there is no control key! Some Mac communication programs have an option that lets you use the Apple command key as a control key. (I used a MacPlus with Kermit this way for several years.) Even if this fixes the control key problem, it may not fix the arrow keys. The only thing I can suggest there is that there are control key equivalents for all four arrow keys: ^P, ^N, ^F, ^B for previous, next, forward, back. -teg On 13 Oct 1994, Erin O'Neill wrote: > I have a user that dials in on 2 different Macs during the week. > One of the Macs has an extended keyboard & she has no problems > with Pine (in fact she LOVES it). But at least once a week she > is using a Mac with a basic keyboard & suddenly the arrow keys > don't work, nor do the v or y. I told her that I > had read in this group to try an before the key > and see if that works. > > BUT really that's a nuissance and certainly there must be a > setup for this?? We have Pine 3.90 running on a Sun 4.1.3. > > Any hints?? > > thanks. > erin > > -- > erin > erin@skivs.ski.org > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 21:31:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17890; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:31:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23021; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:17:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23015; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:17:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvdnZ-00000LC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 20:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Barry Bouwsma (in =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ko=B9ice?=)" Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 06:00:34 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm. It appears that the news server mentioned below in this post is failing to read this article as posted to one of its subordinates, so I'll try posting it to a different server and see if it makes it out to the world from there. Apologies if it shows up more than once. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:47:10 +0100 (MET) From: Barry Bouwsma Newgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote: > In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1 > E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content- > Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to > *read* 8-bit mail with Pine. I have never had any problem with Pine handling 8-bit news or mail messages, provided that... 1) An 8-bit-clean path exists between the sender and the point I read from. Note that many mails sent with C-T-E=8BIT are handled by MTAs which lose the 8th bit without your awareness. Also, if I try to read news from any NNTP server in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the main gateway to the outside world loses bit 8. This has the result of rendering relcom.* postings as rather difficult to read with a KOI8-R font, and loses all C-T-E=8BIT characters in French, German, Danish, Norwegian... 2) An 8-bit-clean path exists between Pine and my display and I am using the correct font. There are a number of ways this can go wrong too, but with proper terminal setup and stty settings, I am able to compose and view 8-bit messages on this xterm started with xterm -font xtrek -e pine (please ignore typos, I have no idea what I've typed) Note that if you can correctly view C-T-E=QUOTED-PRINTABLE mail as 8-bit data on your display, the problem is that some intermediate mailer is losing your 8th bit, a problem which Q-P was designed to work around until widespread adoption of 8BITMIME mailers. Pine itself should pass 8-bit data to the path to your display unaltered, regardless of whether you have defined an 8-bit charset. It only matters for composition of messages. Barry Bouwsma, xtrek installer biking Europe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 21:42:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18210; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:42:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16721; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:27:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16715; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:27:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvdz4-00000JC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 21:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Wayne Wilson Subject: winsock version error Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today, as I was browseing a message that needed to be scrolled (while I had an FTP transfer going in the background) I received the following error: Pine caused a Page fault in module SYSTEM.DRV at 0001:0284 This came up in an alert box which seemed to indicate that I could close the application. But this error is apparently so severre that my entire machine was locked up and needed a cold boot. It's been a long time (really) since I have had this kind of error with Windows :). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 22:52:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19719; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:52:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24156; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:40:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24150; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:40:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvf39-00000VC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: HELP INSTALLING 3.91 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:21:00 Message-Id: References: <37jup3$lvu@bigfoot.wustl.edu> In article <37jup3$lvu@bigfoot.wustl.edu> carlo@artsci.wustl.edu (Carlo Morpurgo) writes: >Dear Pine users, I found pine3.91 at ftp.cac.washington.edu >I was trying to install it in my home directory on a ultrix system. >At the moment of compling pine it gives me an error of type >"write failed file system is full". I do not think this means he is >short of memory. This error means that you're out of disk space. Make sure you perform the build in a large scratch area. Pine requires over 10MB disk space free, perhaps much more! > I've never done this type of things, so I will appreciate any comments >that will help. Actually, reading this newsgroup, it seems that 3.91 is >the newest version... I will be happy with a n old version that works. >Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Carlo Read The Fine Manual which is part of the distribution. ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 23:01:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20009; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:01:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17895; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:56:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17889; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:56:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvfGe-00000JC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 22:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) Subject: 3.91: How to provide write access to a global address book? Message-Id: Date: 12 Oct 94 21:20:24 GMT pine-3.91 running under OSF1-2.40. I created a global address book and provided it to users using /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed. My problem is that I want people to be allowed to add/delete/modify entries in the book. When pine shows me the addressbook menu it sez that the global book is (ReadOnly). What's my problem? BTW, the book is given access of 0666. No problem there that I can see. Please email. I'll summarize. Thanks in advance. -- ----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana.---------------- --------Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this.------------- Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com ---------------"Listen to me! We are all individuals."------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 13 23:40:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20753; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:40:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24886; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:35:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24880; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:35:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvfvA-00000XC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Macs & basic keyboards Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:42:46 GMT Message-Id: References: <37jq5k$qpg@skivs.ski.org> Erin O'Neill (erin@skivs.ski.org) wrote: : I have a user that dials in on 2 different Macs during the week. : One of the Macs has an extended keyboard & she has no problems : with Pine (in fact she LOVES it). But at least once a week she : is using a Mac with a basic keyboard & suddenly the arrow keys : don't work, nor do the v or y. I told her that I : had read in this group to try an before the key : and see if that works. It's not really Pine's fault. It comes down to her terminal program, and what sorts of keyboard mapping it allows. I've found that some terminal programs use the Apple key as a control, others may find more novel ways of aliasing them. But you need to dig through the terminal package to find out where and how it's handling special characters like that, and ask it nicely to stop. If you have other programs available for the task, you might see if one of the others is just more friendly. It might be that the program she uses on the old Mac is expecting a new keyboard for some reason, and can't figure out why it's not finding one. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 00:05:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21291; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:05:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18656; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:59:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18650; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:59:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvgJ0-00000LC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep Subject: Pine 3.90/1 manual? faq? Date: 13 Oct 1994 20:51:09 GMT Message-Id: <37k6jt$ag4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Where might I find the pine 3.90/3.91 manual or faq? thanx.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 00:18:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21699; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:18:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25413; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:12:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25407; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:12:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvgRW-00000VC; Thu, 13 Oct 94 23:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clh4144@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Christopher Hamilton) Subject: PINE 3.91 DOS IMAP problems Message-Id: <37h6tf$5pe@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 17:37:51 GMT Greetings, I am attempting to get the 3.91 PCpine working on my NOVELL net. I am running the NE2000 packet driver with PDIPX and NEtX. Pine is configured to look at all of my remote PINE folders on an HP-UX system. Whe nI start PCpine I get a message that it is attempting to open the correct remote folder and then it dies with ithe following error: [(CLOSED) IMAP CONNECTION BROKEN (SERVER RESPONSE)] Anybody out there know what this means? If so could you please mail me directly? Regards, Michael S. Durham msdurh01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 00:49:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22457; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:49:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19284; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:43:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19278; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:43:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvh0f-00001JC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 00:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: anto@inn.bppt.go.id (Anto Daryanto) Subject: Pine 3.90 on HP: hang on writing FCC.... Date: 13 Oct 1994 23:53:32 -0500 Message-Id: Hi, if I use pine to read mail it's OK, but if I send mail pine hangs on writing on fcc. It stays forever and it become zombie..... Can somebody help me? -- -anto =============================================================== | Antonius Daryanto | Direktorat TEI OS/2 | | a.daryanto@inn.bppt.go.id | BPPT Teknologi & | | | Jakarta, INDONESIA Linux | =============================================================== disclaimer: My opinion does not represent my employer's opinion From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 02:49:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25314; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:49:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27556; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:43:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27550; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:43:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qviuV-00000jC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) Subject: Pine3.91 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:40:34 GMT Message-Id: <1994Oct13.214034.24061@math.utah.edu> Haven't seen it mentioned yet so... Pine 3.91 is out. -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) Home Page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 03:03:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25608; Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:03:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21075; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:58:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21069; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:58:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvj71-00000LC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: spencook@worf.infonet.net (Sid Pencook) Subject: Re: alt editor Message-Id: Date: 13 Oct 94 01:20:53 GMT References: <37ft3f$312@agate.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37ft3f$312@agate.berkeley.edu> On 12 Oct 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > Sid Pencook (spencook@worf.infonet.net) wrote: > : Is there any way to change the key to invoke the alt editor? I am > : having trouble using the default with Procomm Plus. > > > Two ways... > > 1. Press ESC twice and then shift-_. > 2. Edit your keyboard mapping (alt-f8) and choose any function key to > represent ^_. > > Good luck! > > Henry > > Henry I already remapped my keyboard, but I thought there might be a better way as I use 2 or 3 differnt computers. Thanks for the reply. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sidney E. Pencook Radcliffe, IA SPencook@INS.INFONET.NET =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 03:20:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26037; Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:20:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27932; Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:13:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27926; Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:13:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvjNa-00000FC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 02:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90/1 manual? faq? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:17:34 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37k6jt$ag4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37k6jt$ag4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/ |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 13 Oct 1994, markstep wrote: > Date: 13 OCT 1994 20:51:09 GMT > From: markstep > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine 3.90/1 manual? faq? > > Where might I find the pine 3.90/3.91 manual or faq? > thanx.... > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 04:17:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28058; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:17:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22259; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:11:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22232; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:10:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvkEb-00000FC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) Subject: Re: pop Message-Id: Date: 13 Oct 94 03:04:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199410112217.AA12328@gmlink.gmeds.com> The IMAP toolkit (distributed as part of the Pine sources, or available separately from ftp.cac.washington.edu:mail/imap.tar.Z) includes a POP2 and POP3 server. These are in .../imap/ipopd Pine also permits POP access as an undocumented (and presently unsupported) capability. -- Mark -- On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > this may not be a pine question, but where can I get the > source to pop3? thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 04:51:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28926; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:51:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29283; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:43:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29277; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:43:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvkm1-00000VC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John L Nasers Subject: Re: Macs & basic keyboards Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:04:05 -0400 Message-Id: References: <37jq5k$qpg@skivs.ski.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > Erin O'Neill (erin@skivs.ski.org) wrote: > : I have a user that dials in on 2 different Macs during the week. > : One of the Macs has an extended keyboard & she has no problems > : with Pine (in fact she LOVES it). But at least once a week she > : is using a Mac with a basic keyboard & suddenly the arrow keys > : don't work, nor do the v or y. I told her that I > : had read in this group to try an before the key > : and see if that works. I had the same problem and found the answer in a local Mac newsgroup. Apparently Apple did not anticipate the use of the ctrl-@ and ctrl-^ keys for applications and did not include a keyboard mapping in the system for them. Telnet 2.6 has two files that will correctly map these keys to the right ASCII codes. If you drop the file "U.S. - Fixed Controls" in your system folder then goto the Keyboard control panel and select "U.S. - Fixed Controls" it should work. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 05:15:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29402; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:15:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22934; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:06:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22928; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:06:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qvl3q-00000LC; Fri, 14 Oct 94 04:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) Subject: Re: PINE 3.91 DOS IMAP problems Message-Id: Date: 13 Oct 94 03:49:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37h6tf$5pe@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Hello. This error message means that the HP-UX server apparently accepted an IMAP connection from PC-Pine, but at some point when PC-Pine attempted to read an IMAP protocol transaction from the HP-UX server it found that the TCP connection was broken. The first thing to check is that the IMAP server has been properly installed on the HP-UX system. Do any other IMAP clients work properly with that server? A very common mistake is to set up inetd so that it answers IMAP connection requests, but fail to install the IMAP daemon program (imapd) in the place where inetd has been configured to expect it. If you do not know what the above means, please contact the managers of the HP-UX server for assistance. -- Mark -- On 12 Oct 1994, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > Greetings, > I am attempting to get the 3.91 PCpine working on my NOVELL net. > I am running the NE2000 packet driver with PDIPX and NEtX. Pine is > configured to look at all of my remote PINE folders on an HP-UX system. > Whe nI start PCpine I get a message that it is attempting to open > the correct remote folder and then it dies with ithe following error: > [(CLOSED) IMAP CONNECTION BROKEN (SERVER RESPONSE)] > > Anybody out there know what this means? If so could you please > mail me directly? > > Regards, > Michael S. Durham > msdurh01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 05:31:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29836; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:31:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22984; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:10:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22978; Fri, 14 Oct 94 05:10:22 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <12007-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:09:43 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA13818; Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:10:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:10:23 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: John L Nasers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macs & basic keyboards In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can confirm that using the US Fixed Controls files does *sort of* work with a British keyboard. "Sort of" means that you must use Ctrl/Shift/6 rather than Ctrl/6 most "real" terminals let you use. It also means that the Shift/3 key (labelled with the curly-L pound sign) generates a hash (tic-tac-toe) sign and Option/Shift/3 the opposite. This is, of course, the reverse of what we Britishers expect in normal applications (but IS what my Telnet trained fingers expect of a terminal session!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 1904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 1904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, John L Nasers wrote: > > > Erin O'Neill (erin@skivs.ski.org) wrote: > > : I have a user that dials in on 2 different Macs during the week. > > : One of the Macs has an extended keyboard & she has no problems > > : with Pine (in fact she LOVES it). But at least once a week she > > : is using a Mac with a basic keyboard & suddenly the arrow keys > > : don't work, nor do the v or y. I told her that I > > : had read in this group to try an before the key > > : and see if that works. > > > I had the same problem and found the answer in a local Mac newsgroup. > Apparently Apple did not anticipate the use of the ctrl-@ and ctrl-^ keys > for applications and did not include a keyboard mapping in the system for > them. Telnet 2.6 has two files that will correctly map these keys to the > right ASCII codes. If you drop the file "U.S. - Fixed Controls" in your > system folder then goto the Keyboard control panel and select "U.S. - > Fixed Controls" it should work. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 06:53:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01739; Fri, 14 Oct 94 06:53:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01041; Fri, 14 Oct 94 06:47:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00731; Fri, 14 Oct 94 06:27:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from aau.dk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00725; Fri, 14 Oct 94 06:27:55 -0700 Received: from slam.aar-vki.dk by aau.dk with SMTP id AA17646 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:27:44 +0100 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by slam.aar-vki.dk id aa18327; 12 Oct 94 7:25 MEZ Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24722; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:57 -0700 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24716; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:55 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09046; Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:01:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Seibel To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Pine and PC-Pine 3.91 now available Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:24:59 +0000 (MEZ) Resent-From: Eigil Krogh Sorensen Resent-To: Superbrugerne -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Hans Peter Bitsch Hansen , Jesper Duwe Nielsen Resent-Message-Id: This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System version 3.91. This version is primarily a maintenance release intended to fix many, though not all, of the bugs reported over the last month or so. Highlighted fixes include: o Several address book bugs, including one that could destroy data. o Fixed to allow viewing MESSAGE/EXTERNAL-BODY attachments. o Fixed bug that caused pine-debug files to grow forever. o Custom-header entries may now contain colons. o If read-msg-folder is set, Pine no longer crashes. o Several other bugs resulting in program crashes. o Environment variable and improved list entry support in Setup/Config. o Improvements in mailcap support (e.g., "needsterminal" recognized). o Improvements in signal handling to prevent some loops. o Improvements in user-domain processing. o Several PC-Pine fixes (e.g., send hangs when TZ set, sorting). o New features to better support news reading, and dialup access Be sure to see Pine's builtin release notes ("R" on the Main Menu) for a more detailed account of what's changed. More general information on Pine can be found via: o The anonymous FTP archives at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine o The World-Wide-Web page at http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine Pine v3.91 is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu from the file named "pine/pine.tar.Z". Pre-compiled executables for various flavors of UNIX can be found in the "pine/unix-bin" directory, and zip'd copies of the DOS and Windows releases can be found in the "pine/pcpine" directory. Our thanks to all you who have helped with bug reports and helpful feedback! The Pine Team From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 07:20:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02575; Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:20:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01397; Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:13:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01391; Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:13:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17800; Fri, 14 Oct 94 07:13:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 07:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mark Crispin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pop In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to set expectations correctly: Pine does NOT currently support the "offline" mail processing model which most people expect when they think of POP. (POP clients typically pull mail from a mail drop to a local INBOX. Pine does not know how to do this.) However, you may simulate normal POP client behavior with Pine by using a program called "popclient" as a front-end to Pine. This program was mentioned on comp.mail.misc last month. It pulls the mail from the mail drop (POP server) and stores it locally, where Pine (or any other Unix mailer) may open it as a local INBOX. Integral offline processing via IMAP (and quite possibly POP) is planned for a future release. Full "disconnected" operation, wherein a client cache of messages may be resynchronized with the server, is also planned, but that is even further out... -teg On 13 Oct 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > The IMAP toolkit (distributed as part of the Pine sources, or available > separately from ftp.cac.washington.edu:mail/imap.tar.Z) includes a POP2 > and POP3 server. These are in .../imap/ipopd > > Pine also permits POP access as an undocumented (and presently > unsupported) capability. > > -- Mark -- > > On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > > this may not be a pine question, but where can I get the > > source to pop3? thanks. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 12:06:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15878; Fri, 14 Oct 94 12:06:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01546; Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:53:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01530; Fri, 14 Oct 94 11:53:19 -0700 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA11902; Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:53:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:53:06 -0500 (CDT) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@pear To: Pine Info List Subject: Pine 3.91 and Intel NEXTSTEP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, everyone, I'm getting linking errors (ld) when I try to do a simple: build nxt on my Pentium running NEXTSTEP. Any clues? I'm including the awfully long output ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NEXTSTEP Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu avocado:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 root# build nxt make args are "CC=cc" c-client/c-client: File exists imapd/imapd: File exists Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=nxt echo nxt > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s ANSI systype cd ANSI/c-client; make nxt make mtest OS=nxt EXTRADRIVERS="" STDPROTO=bezerkproto CFLAGS="-g -O -pipe " ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo nxt > OSTYPE echo -g -O -pipe > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_nxt.h osdep.h cc -g -O -pipe -c mail.c cc -g -O -pipe -c bezerk.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mtx.c cc -g -O -pipe -c tenex2.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mbox.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mh.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mmdf.c cc -g -O -pipe -c imap2.c cc -g -O -pipe -c pop3.c cc -g -O -pipe -c news.c cc -g -O -pipe -c nntpcunx.c cc -g -O -pipe -c phile.c cc -g -O -pipe -c dummy.c cc -g -O -pipe -c smtp.c cc -g -O -pipe -c nntp.c cc -g -O -pipe -c rfc822.c cc -g -O -pipe -c misc.c cc -g -O -pipe -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_nxt.c mv os_nxt.o osdep.o cc -g -O -pipe -c sm_unix.c cc -g -O -pipe -c newsrc.c rm -f c-client.a ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o mtx.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o mmdf.o imap2.o pop3.o news.o nntpcunx.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o newsrc.o ranlib c-client.a cc -g -O -pipe -c mtest.c cc -g -O -pipe -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a cd ANSI/ms;make If CCMD library is not available, ms will not be made. This is alright since ms is only a demonstration program. ../../../ccmd directory not found, so make.ms is ignored cd ANSI/ipopd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop2d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop2d ipop2d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop3d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop3d ipop3d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cd ANSI/imapd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g attach.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g ansi.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g basic.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g bind.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g browse.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g buffer.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g composer.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g display.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g file.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g fileio.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g line.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g osdep.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g pico.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g random.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g region.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g search.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g spell.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g tcap.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g window.c cc -c -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g word.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tcap.o window.o word.o ar: creating libpico.a ranlib libpico.a cc -Dnxt -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g main.c libpico.a -ltermcap -o pico Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-nxt.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c addrbook.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c adrbklib.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c args.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c context.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c filter.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c folder.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c helptext.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c imap.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c init.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c mailcap.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c mailindx.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c mailpart.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c mailview.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c newmail.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c other.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c pine.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c print.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c reply.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c screen.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c send.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c signals.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c status.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c strings.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c ttyin.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-nxt.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-nxt.ic > os-nxt.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-nxt.c os.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -c os.c echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c cc -c -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -o date.o date.c cc -DNXT -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"NXT\" -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o print.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.o ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib ld: warning ../c-client/c-client.a archive's cputype (6, architecture m68k) does not match cputype (7 architecture i386) of objects files previously loaded (can't load from it) ld: Undefined symbols: _fs_get _fs_give _cpystr _rfc822_write_address _mail_free_address _rfc822_parse_adrlist _mail_newaddr _mail_fetchstructure _fs_resize _mail_find _mail_find_bboards _mail_find_all _mail_find_all_bboard _mail_open _mail_create _mail_rename _mail_delete _mail_append _mail_append_full _mail_copy _mail_subscribe _mail_unsubscribe _mail_subscribe_bboard _mail_close _mail_unsubscribe_bboard _mail_valid _mail_valid_net _rfc822_date _mail_valid_net_parse _mail_parameters _lcase _mail_fetchflags _mail_elt _mail_expunge _mail_check _mail_setflag _mail_clearflag _mail_fetchheader _mail_fetchtext _mail_string _mail_date _mail_search _mail_fetchfrom _mail_fetchsubject _body_encodings _mail_fetchbody _mail_ping _imapdriver _mail_link _nntpdriver _pop3driver _mhdriver _mtxdriver _tenexdriver _mmdfdriver _bezerkdriver _newsdriver _philedriver _dummydriver _default_proto _mail_newenvelope _mail_newbody _mail_newbody_part _mail_free_envelope _rfc822_cpy_adr _mail_newbody_parameter _smtp_open _tcp_host _smtp_close _smtp_send _rfc822_address _smtp_rcpt _smtp_fake _smtp_soutr _rfc822_header_line _rfc822_address_line _body_types _rfc822_default_subtype _tspecials _rfc822_cat _mail_free_body_parameter _nntp_open _tcp_localhost _tcp_soutr *** Exit 1 Stop. Links to executables are in bin directory: __TEXT __DATA __OBJC others dec hex size: can't open file: bin/pine (No such file or directory) 172032 8192 0 573440 753664 b8000 bin/mtest 188416 16384 0 589824 794624 c2000 bin/imapd 106496 8192 0 335872 450560 6e000 bin/pico Done From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 21:17:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06906; Fri, 14 Oct 94 21:17:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12524; Fri, 14 Oct 94 21:09:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gatech.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12518; Fri, 14 Oct 94 21:08:59 -0700 Received: from acl1.physics.gatech.edu ([130.207.140.62]) by gatech.edu with SMTP id AA29025 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:16 -0400 Received: by acl1.physics.gatech.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA01282; Sat, 15 Oct 94 00:06:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 00:06:56 -0500 From: William L. Ditto Message-Id: <9410150506.AA01282@acl1.physics.gatech.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Is there a version of pico for Nextstep 3.2 running on intel?? I really like the pico editor when using elm but I have just gotten my nextstep computer running on an intel machine, I have found the source code for emacs which does work but I hate emacs so much I refuse to use it. Any idea if pico for nextstep 3.2 intel is out there (if source I could compile it). thanks, Bill Ditto Ga Tech From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 14 22:55:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08488; Fri, 14 Oct 94 22:55:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13728; Fri, 14 Oct 94 22:50:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gatech.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13722; Fri, 14 Oct 94 22:50:18 -0700 Received: from acl1.physics.gatech.edu ([130.207.140.62]) by gatech.edu with SMTP id AA29708 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:51:36 -0400 Received: by acl1.physics.gatech.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA02064; Sat, 15 Oct 94 01:48:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:48:18 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: "William L. Ditto" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine for Nextstep 3.2 intel Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got pine to work on nextstep 3.2 for intel You did a great job on that makefile!! it worked like a charm. thanks Bill Ditto _____________________________________ Dr. William L. Ditto Applied Chaos Lab School of Physics Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332 phone: (404) 894-5216 fax: (404) 853-9958 email: wditto@acl1.physics.gatech.edu ______________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:48:37 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: wditto@acl1.physics.gatech.edu Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 cac.washinton.edu (TCP)... 550 Host unknown 554 ... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from name server) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from acl1.physics.gatech.edu ([130.207.140.62]) by gatech.edu with SMTP id AA29686 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:48:37 -0400 Received: by acl1.physics.gatech.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA02036; Sat, 15 Oct 94 01:45:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:45:19 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: "William L. Ditto" To: pine-info@cac.washinton.edu Subject: I got pine to compile on nextstep 3.2 intel Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found the source code for pine and it compiled on nextstep 3.2 on intel. You did a really great job on the makefile, it worked like a charm. I really like pine!! thanks again and ignore previous message about where to find pine for nextstep intel _____________________________________ Dr. William L. Ditto Applied Chaos Lab School of Physics Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332 phone: (404) 894-5216 fax: (404) 853-9958 email: wditto@acl1.physics.gatech.edu ______________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 06:53:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18159; Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:53:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19567; Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:34:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19561; Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:34:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qw8wd-00000JC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) Subject: Re: Building PINE under UnixWare Date: 15 Oct 1994 08:05:13 -0500 Message-Id: <37ok29$7ka@Venus.mcs.com> References: : It won't build onder Novell UnixWare 1.1, using the 'sv4' options to : build. I took the easy road and got the binaries from ftp.novell.de. This site has many prebuilt packages for UW. The sources are available as well, though I do not know if they contain UW build edits. Joel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 07:25:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18670; Sat, 15 Oct 94 07:25:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20121; Sat, 15 Oct 94 07:16:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20115; Sat, 15 Oct 94 07:16:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qw9iC-00000FC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 07:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: don pickart Subject: Two line carryover Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 06:21:55 GMT Can anyone tell me how to prevent the bottom two lines on a page from being carried over and reprinted on the next page? I read some long digests and its driving me crazy. -- don pickart From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 10:53:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22011; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:53:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27840; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:46:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27834; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:46:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwCsZ-000008C; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccurtis@ee.fit.edu (Chris "AWOL" Curtis) Subject: PINE 3.91 question [message-reply] Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:14:51 GMT Okay, so I upgraded our version of 3.89 to 3.91 tonight. I've just finished testing it and everything seems OK except for one itsy-bitsy problem... In 3.89 when you hit "r" to reply to a message, it would ask you "Include original message in reply?" to which you could answer yes or no. How do I get the same functionality in 3.91? I've set all the options that seem appropriate, but am I overlooking one? Maybe I've just been sitting here too long... :-( -- | Christopher Curtis | | | Sun Lab System Administrator |-----------------------------------------| | Florida Institute of Technology | If God wanted us to be naked | | Melbourne, Florida | we would have been born that way. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 10:57:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22107; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:57:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22650; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:51:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22644; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:51:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwD0V-00000FC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 10:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Printing at Home Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:20:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37gven$8d@opal.cybergate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1311772905-782155249=:19005" In-Reply-To: <37gven$8d@opal.cybergate.com> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1311772905-782155249=:19005 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The attached program is extracted from the contrib/utils directory of the Pine source distribution..... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Oct 1994, David Warness wrote: > Date: 12 OCT 1994 15:30:31 GMT > From: David Warness > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Printing at Home > > Pine has the wonderfull feature of being able to print text at home even > though you're dialed in remotely. Does there exist somewhere a program > that will allow the same thing w/o having to mail something to you? > > local-print > > If someone somewhere has seen something like this lurking around .. I'd > appreciate a push in the right direction. > > -- > -Dave > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David Warness | Psychiatrists say that one out of four people are | > | Look for me at ... | mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're ok, | > | david@cybergate.com | you're it! | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > --0-1311772905-782155249=:19005 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="ansiprt.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: LyoNCiAqIGFuc2lwcnQuYw0KICoNCiAqIFNpbXBsZSBmaWx0ZXIgdG8gd3Jh cCBBTlNJIG1lZGlhIGNvcHkgZXNjYXBlIHNlcXVlbmNlcyBhcm91bmQgDQog KiB0ZXh0IG9uIHN0ZGluLiAgV3JpdGVzIC9kZXYvdHR5IHRvIGdldCBhcm91 bmQgdGhpbmdzIHRoYXQgbWlnaHQgYmUNCiAqIHRyYXBwaW5nIHN0ZG91dC4g IFRoaXMgaXMgYWN0dWFsbHkgYSBmZWF0dXJlIGJlY2F1c2UgaXQgd2FzIHdy aXR0ZW4NCiAqIHRvIGJlIHVzZWQgd2l0aCBwaW5lJ3MgcGVyc29uYWwgcHJp bnQgb3B0aW9uIHNldCB1cCB0byB0YWtlICJlbnNjcmlwdCINCiAqIG91dHB1 dCBhbmQgc2VuZCBpdCBkaXNwbGF5d2FyZCB0byBiZSBjYXB0dXJlZC9wcmlu dGVkIHRvIGEgcG9zdHNjcmlwdCANCiAqIGRldmljZS4gIFBpbmUsIG9mIGNv dXJzZSwgdXNlcyBwb3BlbigpIHRvIGludm9rZSB0aGUgcGVyc29uYWwgcHJp bnQNCiAqIGNvbW1hbmQsIGFuZCBpbnRlcnByZXRzIHN0ZG91dCBhcyBkaWFn bm9zdGljIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZyb20gdGhlIGNvbW1hbmQuDQogKg0KICogTWlj aGFlbCBTZWliZWwsIG1pa2VzQGNhYy53YXNoaW5ndG9uLmVkdQ0KICoNCiAq IDIxIEFwciA5Mg0KICoNCiAqLw0KI2luY2x1ZGUgPHN0ZGlvLmg+DQojaW5j bHVkZSA8c3lzL2ZpbGUuaD4NCg0KI2RlZmluZQlCVUZTSVoJODE5Mg0KDQpt YWluKGFyZ2MsIGFyZ3YpDQppbnQgIGFyZ2M7DQpjaGFyICoqYXJndjsNCnsN CiAgICBjaGFyIGNbQlVGU0laXTsNCiAgICBpbnQgIG4sIGQ7DQogICAgaW50 ICBjdHJsZCA9IDA7DQoNCiAgICBpZihhcmdjID4gMSl7DQogICAgICAgIG4g PSAwOw0KCXdoaWxlKGFyZ2MgPiArK24pew0KCSAgICBpZihhcmd2W25dWzBd ID09ICctJyl7DQoJCXN3aXRjaChhcmd2W25dWzFdKXsNCgkJICBjYXNlICdk JzoNCgkJICAgIGN0cmxkKys7DQoJCSAgICBicmVhazsNCgkJICBkZWZhdWx0 IDoNCgkJICAgIGZwcmludGYoc3RkZXJyLCJ1bmtub3duIG9wdGlvbjogJWNc biIsIGFyZ3Zbbl1bMV0pOw0KCQkgICAgYnJlYWs7DQoJCX0NCgkgICAgfQ0K ICAgICAgICB9DQogICAgfQ0KDQogICAgaWYoKGQ9b3BlbigiL2Rldi90dHki LE9fV1JPTkxZKSkgPCAwKXsNCiAgICAgICAgcGVycm9yKCIvZGV2L3R0eSIp Ow0KCWV4aXQoMSk7DQogICAgfQ0KDQogICAgd3JpdGUoZCwiXDAzM1s1aSIs IDQpOw0KICAgIHdoaWxlKChuPXJlYWQoMCwgYywgQlVGU0laKSkgPiAwKQ0K CXdyaXRlKGQsIGMsIG4pOw0KDQogICAgaWYoY3RybGQpDQoJd3JpdGUoZCwg IlwwMDQiLCAxKTsNCg0KICAgIHdyaXRlKGQsIlwwMzNbNGkiLCA0KTsNCiAg ICBjbG9zZShkKTsNCn0NCg== --0-1311772905-782155249=:19005-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 11:40:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22818; Sat, 15 Oct 94 11:40:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28396; Sat, 15 Oct 94 11:36:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28390; Sat, 15 Oct 94 11:36:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwDfj-000008C; Sat, 15 Oct 94 11:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fabius@picasso.ICSI.Net (Fabius Buras) Subject: Anon Servers Date: 15 Oct 1994 13:02:09 -0500 Message-Id: <37p5f1$7ne@picasso.ICSI.Net> I seem to be having trouble using the Anon servers over in Finland. Where do you setup the line that says XAnon???? -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Fabius Buras, Jr. | Internet Connect Services | Houston-Victoria, TX | | Home of the $9.95 SLIP/PPP Accounts | info@icsi.net | 512-572-9987 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 12:45:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24203; Sat, 15 Oct 94 12:45:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29129; Sat, 15 Oct 94 12:41:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29123; Sat, 15 Oct 94 12:41:15 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25466; Sat, 15 Oct 94 12:41:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Chris AWOL Curtis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE 3.91 question [message-reply] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, By default, 3.91 should behave the same as 3.89 in this regard. However, in 3.91, there is a new feature called "include-text-in-reply", which IF SET would eliminate the "Include original message in reply? " prompt. Any chance that got set inadvertently? -teg On Fri, 14 Oct 1994, Chris AWOL Curtis wrote: > Okay, so I upgraded our version of 3.89 to 3.91 tonight. > I've just finished testing it and everything seems OK > except for one itsy-bitsy problem... > > In 3.89 when you hit "r" to reply to a message, it would > ask you "Include original message in reply?" to which > you could answer yes or no. How do I get the same > functionality in 3.91? I've set all the options that > seem appropriate, but am I overlooking one? > > Maybe I've just been sitting here too long... :-( > -- > | Christopher Curtis | | > | Sun Lab System Administrator |-----------------------------------------| > | Florida Institute of Technology | If God wanted us to be naked | > | Melbourne, Florida | we would have been born that way. | > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 18:26:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29476; Sat, 15 Oct 94 18:26:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27782; Sat, 15 Oct 94 18:22:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27776; Sat, 15 Oct 94 18:22:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwK0L-00000FC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 18:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: walter@sfu.ca (walter piovesan) Subject: addressbooks and elm aliase.text Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:51:48 -0800 Message-Id: I would like to hold on to some of my elm features for a while yet., so I have pretty well been able to keep the two mail systems in tandem (mail folders etc). I have not been able to have pine read my elm aliase.text (an address book)...has anyone managed this?? Any help much appreciated... Walter walter@sfu.ca -- walter piovesan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 20:47:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01630; Sat, 15 Oct 94 20:47:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04695; Sat, 15 Oct 94 20:43:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04689; Sat, 15 Oct 94 20:43:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwMF9-00000LC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 20:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: prplhaze@metronet.com (prplhaze) Subject: quote characters Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 02:10:32 GMT pine 3.90 is it possible to change the '>' character used in quoting followups and replys with something else? did not note a reference in either config menu or .pinerc file we are having a disk problem with news system with intermittent loss of feed so if possible send a copy of your post to me via email, thanks. joe -- prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from another time with |convoluted space and distorted color palette, |so can you tell me please.............who won From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 15 23:33:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03934; Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:33:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01210; Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:29:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01204; Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:29:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwOld-00000NC; Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nelson CHIN Subject: gzipped tar pine3.91 available Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for those who want pine3.91.tar.gz, look at ifcss.org:/software/unix/networking nelson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 01:43:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06809; Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:43:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07938; Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:38:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07932; Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:38:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwQrb-00000WC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 01:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rschultz@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Schultz) Subject: Trouble getting incoming-folders sort.. Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:07:41 GMT I cannot get my incomming mail to sort into different folders, could someone please E-Mail me and tell me how it is done. My inbox is located at: /usr/spool/mail/rschultz Please it is driving me crazy! -Shawn rschultz@plains.nodak.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 02:49:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07798; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:49:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03662; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:46:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03654; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:46:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwRqZ-00000OC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scheidel@gate.net (Michael S. Scheidell) Subject: PORTING pine3.91 to QNX Date: 15 Oct 1994 19:19:42 GMT Message-Id: <37pa0e$smo@tequesta.gate.net> Well, I hoped I didn't need to do this, but we are porting pine3.91 to QNX I have ispell and pico2.5 done if you want a nicer mail editor than vi with spelling checker (also set you editor to pico on quics!) (pico has problem in sigwinch and ^z option) email me, subject "I want pico for QNX" to get a compiled copy + *qnx* changes. source is from ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail if anyone wants to figgure out sigwinch and ^z options. -- Michael S. Scheidell Florida Datamation, Inc. scheidel@gate.net (407) 241-2966 Distributers of QNX Real Time OS Products (finger for more info) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 02:51:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07856; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:51:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08672; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:48:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08666; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:48:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwRwb-00000QC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 02:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: benites@cs.unca.edu (Robert Benites) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 bug reports Message-Id: <37m026$lkn@balsam.unca.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 13:11:34 GMT References: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Hello all, : Sorry about the bulk reply, but we have been inundated by bug reports and : help requests since the release of Pine 3.90. You have all reported bugs or : problems that I believe are fixed in Pine 3.91, which was just released. : Rather than individually reply to all of the outstanding reports with : basically the same message, I have decided to send one big message :) The : official announcement of Pine 3.91 should appear on the pine-announce and : pine-info mailing lists and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup shortly. : Please obtain the new release from ftp.cac.washington.edu and let us know if : you have any further difficulties. Thank you for your assistance and : patience! : --DLM : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) : University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 : 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 03:26:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08659; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:26:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04083; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:23:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04077; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:23:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwSRw-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mtbc100@cus.cam.ac.uk (Mark T.B. Carroll) Subject: Re: A couple of quick questions... Date: 15 Oct 1994 20:16:30 GMT Message-Id: <37pdau$neh@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <37mqng$hhi@CSOS.ORST.EDU> |> I'd find out how to do it in pine. Another question I had is if there |> were any way to append random signature files to my mail messages sent |> through pine. I've looked through the FAQ and haven't found a thing. Ummmm... I've got some C waiting to be compiled which should give me random .sigs; it's rather home-grown, I'm afraid, but I guess I could post it if people are interested, after getting permission from the authors I suppose. Mark From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 03:41:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09016; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:41:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09266; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:38:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09260; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:38:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwSjE-00000BC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) Subject: Small problem compiling pine for alpha osf1 Message-Id: Date: 14 Oct 94 14:25:21 GMT gcc-2.6.0/pine-3.91/OSF1 rev 2.40 I got into problems with compiling pine because of #ifndef ANSI #define const /* For mail.h */ #endif I commented out the #define and the compilation went fine. An example of a conflict occurred where two delarations of rename were simultaneously visible where in one case the args were declared const and the other not. -- ----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana.---------------- --------Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this.------------- Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com ---------------"Listen to me! We are all individuals."------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 04:07:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10012; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:07:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04551; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:03:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04545; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:03:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwT7A-00000BC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 03:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mrosser@whale.st.usm.edu (Mere) Subject: Reading News from 3.89??? Message-Id: <37m651$hti@server.st.usm.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 14:55:29 GMT I thought I'd be able to read news from 3.89, since I read somewhere on here that you could do it from 3.07, but can't figure out how to go about it. Can someone clue me in? Thanks! --Mere +--------------------------+------------------------------+ |Mere Rosser | REALITY.CONFIG corrupted!! | |mrosser@whale.st.usm.edu | Reboot Universe? (y/n/q) | +--------------------------+------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 04:34:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10465; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:34:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10053; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:31:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10047; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:31:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwTT5-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rick@weber.me.queensu.ca (Rick Sellens) Subject: Re: 3.91: How to provide write access to a global address book? Message-Id: Date: 14 Oct 94 13:45:02 GMT References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 13 Oct 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > The global-address-book is always read-only. This saves the overhead of > trying to provide locking for updates. You can insert a default value for > address-book, but putting it in pine.conf.fixed will prevent users from > adding their own additional addressbooks. > On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Steven W Orr wrote: > > > My problem is that I want people to be allowed to add/delete/modify > > entries in the book. Add the global addressbook file as a local addressbook for the user(s) you want to edit it, and make sure the file permissions are appropriate. Multiple users can use the same address file, and even the same mail folders, provided they have access. It sounds obvious, but it took us quite a while to figure this out here.....BTW this is for 3.90, but I presume the same thing works in 3.91. Rick Sellens Mechanical Engineering Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6 Ph:(613)545-6760 Fax:(613)545-6489 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 04:51:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10846; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:51:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05318; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:48:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05312; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:48:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwTpg-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 04:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rsw@Glue.umd.edu (Randall S. Winchester) Subject: Compiling Pine ./build, makefiles, and args Message-Id: Date: 14 Oct 94 15:58:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I compile packages the use the network, I like to pass args like; XCFLAGS="-I/usr/local/bind/include" XLDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/bind/lib -lresolv" This is not doable with the current Pine "build" setup. In pine3.9.0, I just edited about 50 makefiles. I would rather not have to do this for ever. Now, the imap that came in 3.90, had EXTRACFLAGS, and EXTRALDFLAGS in their Makefile for "most" system types. In the imap that comes with 3.91 this no longer works. These flags (EXTRACFLAGS EXTRALDFLAGS) are not in any of the pine/pico makefiles, anyhow, so there is no way to pass args down to all the makefiles. In pine/makefile.* you have something like; $(CC) $(LDFLAGS) $(CFLAGS) -o pine $(obj) date.o $(LOCLIBES) $(LIBES) So trying to add something like -lresolv at the end of the linking stage will not work. Then there is ./build $makeargs; It can handle only the most simple of options. I would be glad to send back some changes if they would be used/looked at. The actual options that I am trying to pass are; XCFLAGS=-DKERBEROS -I/usr/local/bind/include -I/usr/local/athena/include XLDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/athena/lib -lkrb -ldes /usr/local/bind/lib/libresolv.a I have added the CMU krb4 patches, and with a few changes have IMAP with kerberos V4 support, on SGI, OSF, SunOS4, SunOS5, Ultrix, and HP/UX9. Thanks for your help. Randall Winchester From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 06:23:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12231; Sun, 16 Oct 94 06:23:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11210; Sun, 16 Oct 94 06:18:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11204; Sun, 16 Oct 94 06:18:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwVBj-00000BC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 05:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@emerald.cybergate.com (David Warness) Subject: Printing at Home Date: 12 Oct 1994 15:30:31 GMT Message-Id: <37gven$8d@opal.cybergate.com> Pine has the wonderfull feature of being able to print text at home even though you're dialed in remotely. Does there exist somewhere a program that will allow the same thing w/o having to mail something to you? local-print If someone somewhere has seen something like this lurking around .. I'd appreciate a push in the right direction. -- -Dave +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Warness | Psychiatrists say that one out of four people are | | Look for me at ... | mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're ok, | | david@cybergate.com | you're it! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 07:35:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13484; Sun, 16 Oct 94 07:35:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12067; Sun, 16 Oct 94 07:31:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12061; Sun, 16 Oct 94 07:31:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwWIy-00000OC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 07:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Building PINE under UnixWare Message-Id: Date: 14 Oct 94 17:41:47 GMT I've recently got my hands on Pine 3.90, after being urged by some people I trust to try it instead of 'elm'. It won't build onder Novell UnixWare 1.1, using the 'sv4' options to build. After saying the compiler couldn't handle ANSI, the build process barfed. The 'pico' editor compiles and runs fine, but 'pine' itself won't. Has anyone done the build for UnixWare? Does the recently-released 3.91 release of Pine solve any of these problems? Moreover, why is the SVR4 compiler considered non-ANSI? And does this thing know I don't use sendmail? If changes are small, just send 'diff's or the files that are changed. I could probably track down the stuff myself, but why re-invent wheels? Any help is appreciated. What follows is the result of running 'sh build sv4' on the Pine source. Warnings about non-ANSI semantics of ">" or "/" in code have been removed: make args are "CC=cc" Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=non-ANSI OS=sv4 echo sv4 > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s non-ANSI systype cd non-ANSI/c-client; make sv4 make mtest OS=sv4 EXTRADRIVERS="" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ RSH=resh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/resh \ CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= " RANLIB=true \ LDFLAGS="-lsocket -lnsl -lgen " ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo sv4 > OSTYPE echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS echo -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > LDFLAGS ln -s os_sv4.h osdep.h cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c *** Error code 1 (bu21) *** Error code 1 (bu21) *** Error code 1 (bu21) *** Error code 1 (bu21) Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o true libpico.a cc -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c libpico.a -ltermlib -o pico Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c *** Error code 1 (bu21) Links to executables are in bin directory: bin/pico: 98553 + 24112 + 7228 = 129893 Done -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 09:43:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15375; Sun, 16 Oct 94 09:43:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08758; Sun, 16 Oct 94 09:39:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08752; Sun, 16 Oct 94 09:39:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwYLd-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 09:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Re: HELP Pine 3.90 OpenVMS (v6.1 AXP) Message-Id: <1994Oct16.063834.222@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 16 Oct 94 06:38:34 GMT References: <37hc45$7ck@miasun.med.miami.edu> In article <37hc45$7ck@miasun.med.miami.edu>, pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu (Nick Pikarsky) writes: > I have been tring to bring up pine for OpenVMS (v6.1 axp) for the > last couple of days. I have brought source over from both > ftp.cac.washington.edu and vms.huji.ac.il, each one of them has a > problem. > > From ftp.cac.washington it looks like the vms build files for 3.90 > and 3.91 are missing as well as some of the sources from c-client. > > From vms.huji.ac.il 3.90_beta sources come up with various compile > or link problems. In the c-client section I get an unresolved on the > link for "STDPROTO", in the pine section I get a cc-e-notcompat for the > symbol void get_windsize() in the module tty_vms.c. Sorry, I forgot to check Pine-3.90 on an AXP since I did not have much time and my only AXP was overloaded at that time. I hope to work soon on the 3.91 and then to test it on AXP as well. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 13:25:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18916; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:25:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15951; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:19:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15945; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:19:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwbmC-00000BC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Barry Bouwsma (from =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ko=B9ice?=)" Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:16:47 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sigh. It appears again that the main news hub for the Czech Republic is failing to pick up posted articles from the servers it feeds, so I must subvert the system and post outside. Once again, apologies should the original posts materialize anytime in the next couple months or so. Barry Bouwsma, losing hair ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Barry Bouwsma (in =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ko=B9ice?=)" Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 06:00:34 +0100 (MET) Organization: David Rhodes Rehabilitation School for the Criminally Insane Reply-To: Barry Bouwsma Summary: I hate the news servers here X-Warning: This mail was probably FAKED by some CRACKER with UNAUTHORIZED access to this account and should be IGNORED and probably REPORTED to the Postmaster at your site IMMEDIATELY. Hmmm. It appears that the news server mentioned below in this post is failing to read this article as posted to one of its subordinates, so I'll try posting it to a different server and see if it makes it out to the world from there. Apologies if it shows up more than once. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:47:10 +0100 (MET) From: Barry Bouwsma Newgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote: > In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1 > E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content- > Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to > *read* 8-bit mail with Pine. I have never had any problem with Pine handling 8-bit news or mail messages, provided that... 1) An 8-bit-clean path exists between the sender and the point I read from. Note that many mails sent with C-T-E=8BIT are handled by MTAs which lose the 8th bit without your awareness. Also, if I try to read news from any NNTP server in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the main gateway to the outside world loses bit 8. This has the result of rendering relcom.* postings as rather difficult to read with a KOI8-R font, and loses all C-T-E=8BIT characters in French, German, Danish, Norwegian... 2) An 8-bit-clean path exists between Pine and my display and I am using the correct font. There are a number of ways this can go wrong too, but with proper terminal setup and stty settings, I am able to compose and view 8-bit messages on this xterm started with xterm -font xtrek -e pine (please ignore typos, I have no idea what I've typed) Note that if you can correctly view C-T-E=QUOTED-PRINTABLE mail as 8-bit data on your display, the problem is that some intermediate mailer is losing your 8th bit, a problem which Q-P was designed to work around until widespread adoption of 8BITMIME mailers. Pine itself should pass 8-bit data to the path to your display unaltered, regardless of whether you have defined an 8-bit charset. It only matters for composition of messages. Barry Bouwsma, xtrek installer biking Europe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 13:33:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19126; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:33:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11401; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:24:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11394; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:24:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwbrd-00000FC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: malv0002@gold.tc.umn.edu (Michael J Malver) Subject: pine with slip Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:40:46 GMT Hi I found the pcpine directory, and grabbed pcpine_f only to find it only works with pctcp something or other. Is there a version which works with slipper, or the 8260 packet driver? Michael ps. sorry if this is in the faq, and I am reasking, but I didn't see it. -- Maturity: a bitter disappointment from which no remedy exists, unless laughter can be said to remedy anything. Curt Vonigut Jr. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 14:00:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19553; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:00:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16422; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:54:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16416; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:54:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwcIJ-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Pine echoes * to the top _LEFT_ corner Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:27:23 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct12.223353.1@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 1994, Darren Nickerson wrote: > has managed to find a workaround for the following annoyance. When using Pine > over VersaTerm, a character is echoed to the top right-hand corner of the > screen each time Pine checks for new mail. This causes my VTerm session to > ... > Is there any way to recompile Pine without this character-echoing, or > otherwise disable this feature? Please tell me there is. In Pine 3.9x, there's an option for it in the config screen ("S C" from the Main Menu). It's called "enable-mail-check-cue". Just turn it off. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 14:20:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19878; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:20:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12085; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:16:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12079; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:16:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwceg-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hahn@panix.com (Robert Hahn) Subject: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:19:38 -0400 Message-Id: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> I'm sorry if this question has been asked over and over again, and if someone could point me to a faq or something, I would appreciate it. But, I'm trying to use "filter" to sort the mail so I could have some of the mailing-lists not go into my INBOX. Below is my filter-rules file: # $HOME/.elm/filter-rules # # Filter rules for the Elm Filter program. Don't change without some # serious thought. (remember - order counts) # # (for Rob Hahn, hahn@panix.com) # # rule 1 to "gg-l@wizards.com" ? save "$HOME/mail/magic-incoming" # rule 2 to "mtg-l@wizards.com" ? save "$HOME/mail/magic-incoming" And here's my .forward file: "| /usr/local/bin/filter -o /users/hahn/.elm/filter-test" As of yet, I haven't been able to successfully route my mail in any way, shape, or form. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance! -rsh -- ` Robert S. Hahn hahn@panix.com --- | "A mountain is a mountain, rsh9395@is.nyu.edu O |- and water is water." (212)966-0744:Phone |____ - A kong-an of Korean Zen master Sung-chul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 15:04:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20686; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:04:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17104; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:54:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17098; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:54:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwdHX-00000JC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gordy@panix.com (uh..Clem) Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:11:52 -0400 Message-Id: <37s4uo$o8q@panix.com> References: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> Comes now Robert Hahn, d/b/a hahn@panix.com, who submitted the following in article <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com>: | | [...] I'm trying to use "filter" to sort the mail so I could have some of |the mailing-lists not go into my INBOX. | |Below is my filter-rules file: | |# $HOME/.elm/filter-rules |# |# Filter rules for the Elm Filter program. Don't change without some |# serious thought. (remember - order counts) |# |# (for Rob Hahn, hahn@panix.com) |# |# rule 1 |to "gg-l@wizards.com" ? save "$HOME/mail/magic-incoming" |# rule 2 |to "mtg-l@wizards.com" ? save "$HOME/mail/magic-incoming" | | |And here's my .forward file: | |"| /usr/local/bin/filter -o /users/hahn/.elm/filter-test" | |As of yet, I haven't been able to successfully route my mail in any way, |shape, or form. What am I doing wrong? Well, here's a portion of _my_ ~/.elm/filter-rules: if (to contains "CARR-L") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/carr-l" if (to contains "net-happenings") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/hap" if (to contains "socks@syl.dl.nec.com") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/socks" if (to contains "rre@weber.ucsd.edu") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/rre" I noticed a substantial difference in syntax from yours; you might try the more verbose way, which at least has the virtue of working for me. My .forward file, BTW, is: "| /usr/local/bin/filter -vo /users/gordy/.elm/filter-errors" -- Gordy Thompson some days you're the pigeon, gordy@panix.com -=0=- some days you're the statue. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 15:39:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21295; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:39:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13216; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:35:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13196; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:34:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwdqx-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: carlo@artsci.wustl.edu (Carlo Morpurgo) Subject: HELP INSTALLING 3.91 Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:37:23 GMT Message-Id: <37jup3$lvu@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Dear Pine users, I found pine3.91 at ftp.cac.washington.edu I was trying to install it in my home directory on a ultrix system. At the moment of compling pine it gives me an error of type "write failed file system is full". I do not think this means he is short of memory. I've never done this type of things, so I will appreciate any comments that will help. Actually, reading this newsgroup, it seems that 3.91 is the newest version... I will be happy with a n old version that works. Any suggestions? Thanks, Carlo From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 15:50:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21467; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:50:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17773; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:46:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17767; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:46:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwe4W-00000FC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 15:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Wanted: copy msg replied-to into buffer Date: 16 Oct 94 21:48:26 GMT Message-Id: References: <36rokn$5p1@hybrid27.Helsinki.FI> lillqvis@cc.Helsinki.FI (Holger Lillqvist) writes: >Many terminal programs allow you to scroll backwards in a screen buffer, >and even copy material from the buffer. >However, pine (unlike elm) does not copy the replied-to msg into buffer, >so you can't glance at the msg, should you want to check something there >while responding - or copy a detail from it etc. >Is it possible to add such a feature in coming versions of pine? If not >permanent, it could be an option you could choose in setup/configure. I am not sure what you are saying. When I reply to a message in pine on UNIX, it copies the contents of the message into the edit buffer after asking me if I want it to. If I wish to delete part of it while in the editor I can. I have never seen anything in elm that works any different from that, but I got tired of waiting for a stable release of elm and never upgraded to the current version. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 17:15:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23071; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:15:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18836; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:09:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18830; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:09:17 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15417; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:09:13 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Danita M. Gainer" To: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Subject: Resent mail.... Resent-Message-Id: I am very confused with this whole system and what exactly it can do for me. Can you help???? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 17:25:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23307; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:25:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14524; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:20:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14518; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:20:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwfXg-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 17:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: danielj@snark.wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461) Subject: Re: PINE 3.91 question [message-reply] Date: 16 Oct 1994 15:29:47 -0700 Message-Id: <37s9gr$1jm@snark.wizard.com> References: [S]etup [C]onfig [ ] include-text-in-reply Leave this unchecked if you want to be prompted or check it if you want to automatically include the original. Chris "AWOL" Curtis (ccurtis@ee.fit.edu) wrote: : Okay, so I upgraded our version of 3.89 to 3.91 tonight. : I've just finished testing it and everything seems OK : except for one itsy-bitsy problem... : In 3.89 when you hit "r" to reply to a message, it would : ask you "Include original message in reply?" to which : you could answer yes or no. How do I get the same : functionality in 3.91? I've set all the options that : seem appropriate, but am I overlooking one? : Maybe I've just been sitting here too long... :-( : -- : | Christopher Curtis | | : | Sun Lab System Administrator |-----------------------------------------| : | Florida Institute of Technology | If God wanted us to be naked | : | Melbourne, Florida | we would have been born that way. | -- Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic - PT Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Internet Access Provider sysadmin | (702) 871-4461 or finger danielj for info danielj@wizard.com | dial-up shell accounts From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 19:08:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24739; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:08:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20105; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:03:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20099; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:03:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwh76-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 18:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: msdurh01@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Michael Durham) Subject: PCPine help Date: 16 Oct 1994 19:23:52 -0400 Message-Id: <37scm8$ch0@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Greetings, I am attempting to get PCpine running on a local Netware lan. However, I am not getting very far. I would like for Pine to read a remote mailbox on a HP-UX sitting on the same backbone as this netware lan. I hav downloaded all the PCpines and none have worked. I get errors ranging from host not found, IMAP disconnection, and stack drivers are not loaded. Is there anyone that has been able to get this working? If so I would like to speek with you. :) By the way... I am running NE2000 cards with NE2K packet drivers. and PDIPX and NETX. Thanks Regards, Michael S. Durham msdurh01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 19:54:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25366; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:54:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20487; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:37:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watson.lib.muohio.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20481; Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:37:56 -0700 Received: by watson.lib.muohio.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03739; Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:37:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Murray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Customized "From:" header and send-mail folder listing Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Our site is using a customized-header "From:" to put the campus-wide e-mail alias as the sender's address. This works fine, but as a side effect in the "send-mail" folder, where the recipient's name is supposed to be the sender's name is. Eg: N 5 Oct 16 Peter Murray (1,091) Test message ^^^^^^^^^^^^ This came from the "From" line, not the "To" line I assume it isn't supposed to work that way. While you are looking at that code, would it be much trouble to pick up the address from the customized "From" line and mark those as personal messages with the "+" on the left-hand side? Critical info: OSF/1 v1.3a, Pine version 3.91 Thanks in advance! Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pmurray@watson.lib.muohio.edu University Libraries Systems Department pemurray@miavx1.bitnet King Library, Miami University, Oxford, Ohio, USA W:513/529-2884 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 21:01:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26378; Sun, 16 Oct 94 21:01:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17039; Sun, 16 Oct 94 20:55:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17033; Sun, 16 Oct 94 20:55:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwivS-00000BC; Sun, 16 Oct 94 20:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Noel Hunter Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 on HP: hang on writing FCC.... Date: 17 Oct 1994 02:21:33 GMT Message-Id: <37sn3d$hpd@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: > Hi, > if I use pine to read mail it's OK, but if I send mail pine hangs on > writing on fcc. It stays forever and it become zombie..... > This happens on our system too, as a result of NFS file locking problems. The problem is fixed by the following: 1. Kill rpc.statd and rpc.lockd 2. rm -rf /etc/sm /etc/sm.bak 3. Restart rpc.statd and rpc.lockd Several patches for NFS locking were also required. Good luck. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 16 22:42:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28106; Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:42:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22546; Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:36:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22540; Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:36:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwkU9-000008C; Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjackson@osf1.gmu.edu (Richard Jackson) Subject: pine 3.90/3.91 bug? Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:37:48 GMT Message-Id: <37mj5s$hev@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone seen the following when a new user sends email? Folder "sent-mail" in doesn't exist. Create? Y <= ENTER Y [Can't create mailbox Mail/sent-mail: No such file or directory] This occurs on a DEC Alpha system running OSF/1 3.0. mail-directory is set to Mail. If I manually create ~/Mail, then the error condition does not exist. For an unknown reason, pine does not create ~/Mail. Thank you, Richard Jackson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 01:52:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02129; Mon, 17 Oct 94 01:52:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20576; Mon, 17 Oct 94 01:47:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20570; Mon, 17 Oct 94 01:47:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwnRW-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 01:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@hopi.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Re: pine 3.90/3.91 bug? Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:09:06 -0400 Message-Id: <37moh2$1q3@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <37mj5s$hev@portal.gmu.edu> In article <37mj5s$hev@portal.gmu.edu>, Richard Jackson wrote: >This occurs on a DEC Alpha system running OSF/1 3.0. mail-directory >is set to Mail. If I manually create ~/Mail, then the error condition >does not exist. For an unknown reason, pine does not create ~/Mail. Yes, go into pine/os.h and look for and change the line... #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "mail" to #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "Mail" It seems like defining the mail directory in the global pine.conf is not enough. NOTE: the file pine/os.h is a symlink to the correct os_xxx.h file and won't be created until you build at least once and gets removed if you "build clean" YET ANOTHER NOTE: The comments in that file say to think real hard before changing any of the defaults! :-) However, we did because other MUAs want ~/Mail for folders and not ~/mail. -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW Delaware Technical & Community College |*| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 02:55:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03168; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:55:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25605; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:51:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25599; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:51:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwoRY-00000LC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: Two line carryover Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:17:31 GMT don pickart wrote: »Can anyone tell me how to prevent the bottom two lines on a page from »being carried over and reprinted on the next page? I read some long »digests and its driving me crazy. The only place I've seen it set is in "pine/os.h" in the source distribution. As far as I know you can't alter it without recompiling. Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 02:55:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03173; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:55:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21326; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:51:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21320; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:51:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwoSJ-00000JC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew Mansfield Subject: Pine incoming mail folders Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! I was wondering if anyone could give me information regarding configuring altrenate incoming mail folders, and the auto-routing of mail to said folders in pine 3.9x... -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- #include "You think he's crazy, eh? The old man?" - Captain Jean-Luc Picard Andrew N. Mansfield nooster@nooster.navy.mil NISE East St. Inigoes, MD andrew@starburst.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 03:02:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03440; Mon, 17 Oct 94 03:02:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25657; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:56:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25651; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:56:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwoYY-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjackson@osf1.gmu.edu (Richard Jackson) Subject: pine 3.90/3.91 bug? Date: 14 Oct 1994 20:42:43 GMT Message-Id: <37mqg3$mmq@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have more info on this problem... If folder-collections=Mail/[] in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, and a new user invokes pine 3.90 or pine 3.91 the first time via pine username then Mail is not created initially. Therefore, references to Mail/[] fail. If under pine 3.90 the first time user types pine this creates the ~/Mail directory correctly during initialization init_mail_dir() routine. However, init_mail_dir() was changed in 3.91 and Mail directory does not get created if pine 3.91 is invoked pine So, pine 3.90 only fails for 'pine username' for initial invocation and pine 3.91 fails for both 'pine' and 'pine username' invocation. Regards, Richard Jackson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 03:24:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03882; Mon, 17 Oct 94 03:24:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21649; Mon, 17 Oct 94 03:18:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21643; Mon, 17 Oct 94 03:18:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwopm-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 02:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pkomkai@CSOS.ORST.EDU (Pavat Kyernan Komkai) Subject: A couple of quick questions... Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:46:40 -0700 Message-Id: <37mqng$hhi@CSOS.ORST.EDU> My system has recently upgraded to Pine 3.9, and I've been trying to figure out a couple of things, first of which is how to set a new reply prefix in pine, if that's possible. I know it's possible in elm, but since elm on this system has pretty much been eating my mail, I figured I'd find out how to do it in pine. Another question I had is if there were any way to append random signature files to my mail messages sent through pine. I've looked through the FAQ and haven't found a thing. Any replies through e-mail or posts are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Pavat Kyernan Komkai | http://www.csos.orst.edu/~pkomkai | | Reality is a cop-out for those who can't handle drugs. | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 04:07:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05425; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:07:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26515; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:03:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26509; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:03:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwpXA-00000JC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 03:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Two line carryover Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:31:04 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sat, 15 Oct 1994, don pickart wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to prevent the bottom two lines on a page from > being carried over and reprinted on the next page? I read some long > digests and its driving me crazy. The only way to do this, as far as I can tell, is at compile time. There's an option for it in pine/osdep/os-xxx.h So if you're not compiling Pine yourself, I think you're out of luck on this one. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 04:43:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06035; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:43:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22833; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:37:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22827; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:37:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwq8A-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 04:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk (Kamil Kukura) Subject: known under multiple e-mail address Date: 15 Oct 1994 06:28:42 GMT Message-Id: <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> Hi, One of the neat features of pine is that it shows when a message has been sent to your address ("+" mark). However, my e-mail addr. can be one of the: kamk@tuke.sk, kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk, Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk. It would be nice to tell pine what address are mine so it wouldn't ask "Reply to all receipents?" Hope, I'm not only one with such wish. :) -- -- Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk -- -------------------- -- MIME, ISO-Latin-2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 05:42:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07298; Mon, 17 Oct 94 05:42:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27832; Mon, 17 Oct 94 05:36:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27826; Mon, 17 Oct 94 05:36:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwr2J-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 05:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc_s551@kingston.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Subject: Re: MMDF mailbox/folder format supported? Date: 17 Oct 1994 11:46:44 GMT Message-Id: <37to74$6c5@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> References: John Edwards (jedwards@sol1.solinet.net) wrote: : Hi. We have PINE 3.89 under BSDI BSD/386 1.1. We switched one of our machines : from MMDF mailer to sendmail. When users attempted to access mail, ELM said : folder was 'corrupt' and PINE said that spooled mail is not a folder. : Once I stripped out the CTRL-A's separating messages in one of the : mailboxes, it worked OK. : I read in the technical notes that MMDF format is supported. How do I : access my MMDF mail without having to strip it of control characters? : Thank you for your assistance. John : +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ : | SOLINET (Southeastern Library Network) J Edwards jedwards@solinet.net | : +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ I compiled Pine 3.90 under solaris 2.3 (with BSD compatability package) and support for MMDF mailboxes is included by default. Are you using the latest version of pine ? (3.90) I had not to dissimilar problems with Pine 3,89 which were solved with 3.90. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YES, the loonies are running the asylum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you have an american express card you are the problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. ===== stuck on an information B road ==== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 06:28:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08176; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:28:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24258; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:22:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24252; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:22:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwrkz-00000PC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gam@panix.com (Gary Mort) Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Date: 17 Oct 1994 08:46:27 -0400 Message-Id: <37trn3$ff6@panix.com> References: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> Well, I don't know about the forward, but I do have filter working for the magic mailing list(gg-l). Heres my rule for it: if (sender contains mtg-l) then save "/net/u/2/g/gam/Mail/newmagic" I think part of your problem may be the "to" in your filter rules. The magic mailing list, if I recall correctly, takes all mail it receives and than resends it with its own header, so the to column is your name not mtg-l. I'm almost positive it does this is digest mode, and fairly positive it does it in non-digest mode as well(but since I receive digests I'm not sure). Questions, since this makes at least 3 people on the magic mailing list that I know of, is it possible/a good idea for panix to set up a local newsgroup and pipe mail from the list to the newsgroup(and vice versa). That way we'd cut down on the excess traffic of having 3+ copies of every message come to panix? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 06:55:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08853; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:55:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28733; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:48:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28727; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:48:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qws6e-00000VC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 06:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: 17 Oct 94 13:09:52 GMT Message-Id: References: Mark Crispin writes: >On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: >> The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles >> have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It >> could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as >> indicating a news article. >Uh, there are no ``From '' lines separating the messages in my mailbox. >You must be thinking about a mailbox format that is used on some other >system. I give: what is your platform and MTA? -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 10:17:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17825; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:17:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28924; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:07:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28918; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:07:34 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01993; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:07:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3.91: How to provide write access to a global address book? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Add the global addressbook file as a local addressbook for the user(s) you > want to edit it, and make sure the file permissions are appropriate. > Multiple users can use the same address file, and even the same mail > folders, provided they have access. It sounds obvious, but it took us quite > a while to figure this out here.....BTW this is for 3.90, but I presume the > same thing works in 3.91. > > Rick Sellens > Mechanical Engineering > Queen's University > Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6 Ph:(613)545-6760 Fax:(613)545-6489 If you're going to be making frequent changes or additions to a shared addressbook you probably don't want to actually do it this way. There is logic to detect when the addressbook has changed out from underneath a user but it isn't bullet-proof. That's why global addressbooks are read only. The best way to do this is to move the shared addressbook into place every now and then (after a few changes) so that you won't disrupt the people using the addressbook. Suppose you have a shared addressbook called "/usr/local/lib/abook". You might do this: Somehow create addressbook /usr/local/lib/abook.new and /usr/local/lib/abook.new.lu. One way to do this would be to copy somebody's addressbook to abook.new and then run pine with that as the addressbook (pine -address-book=/usr/local/lib/abook.new) and open up the addressbook to look at it. A fancier way is to use the create_lu command line flag. Now move it into place: % cd /usr/local/lib % mv abook abook.old % mv abook.lu abook.old.lu % mv abook.new abook % mv abook.new.lu abook.lu By doing it this way, the people who have abook and abook.lu open will continue to use those (since the inode didn't change) and the new people will get the new one and not have to build the .lu file. If there are only a few people and things don't change much you can try to share a writable address book, and it should work ok. You will occasionally get the "re-syncing addressbook" messages and may sometimes get changes aborted if somebody else also changed it. And, if you are still using 3.90 instead of 3.91 you should get 3.91. There are some bad addressbook bugs in 3.90 that can destroy addressbook data. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 10:24:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18240; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:24:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28968; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:10:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28960; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:09:45 -0700 Via: uk.ac.durham; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:46:06 +0100 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by durham.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Oct 94 17:47:01 +0100 Received: from vega (vega.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Oct 94 17:46:40 BST Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:46:35 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 686 We switched to Pine 3.91 earlier today. Since then, I have had two users complain that their inboxes were corrupted. Closer inspection reveals that in each case a number of null characters have been written to the mailbox at the end of one of the messages. Has anyone else seen this? I am unclear at the moment as to whether this is a Pine 3.91 problem or something else. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 10:53:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20010; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:53:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04218; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:46:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04212; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:46:03 -0700 Received: by ee.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA05006; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:45:20 EDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" X-Sender: ccurtis@yacht To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE 3.91 question [message-reply] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Chris, > By default, 3.91 should behave the same as 3.89 in this regard. > However, in 3.91, there is a new feature called "include-text-in-reply", > which IF SET would eliminate the "Include original message in reply? " > prompt. Any chance that got set inadvertently? Aha! Yes, that would make sense. The way I was reading it was, "Do you want the option of having to ability to include messages..." | Christopher Curtis | | | Sun Lab System Administrator |-----------------------------------------| | Florida Institute of Technology | If God wanted us to be naked | | Melbourne, Florida | we would have been born that way. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 11:07:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20881; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:07:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00490; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:59:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00480; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:59:01 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA04066; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 08:22:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: known under multiple e-mail address To: Kamil Kukura Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Oct 1994, Kamil Kukura wrote: > kamk@tuke.sk, kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk, Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk. It would be nice > to tell pine what address are mine so it wouldn't ask "Reply to all > receipents?" > Hope, I'm not only one with such wish. :) Hear Hear! I agree whole-heartedly. I wasn't sure why, but was becoming farily frustrated with the fact that only SOME messages that were to ME personally had the + B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 11:20:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21465; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:20:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04903; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:12:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04897; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:12:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwwHn-00001EC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lillqvis@cc.Helsinki.FI (Holger Lillqvist) Subject: Re: Wanted: copy msg replied-to into buffer Date: 17 Oct 1994 15:10:18 GMT Message-Id: <37u44q$qav@hybrid27.Helsinki.FI> References: <36rokn$5p1@hybrid27.Helsinki.FI> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks. Your reply prompts me to clarify what I was getting at in my original posting. Due to a misunderstanding from my side my request was very obscure indeed. No, I was not talking about the simple and obvious quote-text-into-reply -feature of pine. It works fine. My problem was this. My terminal program (Vaxterm, created at univ. of Helsinki) has a clever feature: working with most programs, it saves the screen content which "pours" up and out of your screen in a large buffer, so whenever you want to you can scroll backwards through that stuff, copy from it etc. This works for example with elm and with some newsreaders, but not with pine. In my amateurish ignorance I thought this was beacause some copying mechanism was missing in pine. But in the meantime I have been told that the this screen buffer is feeded by a linefeed -command from the terminal program saving the uppermost line of the screen's scrolling area - provided that the line also is the uppermost physical line of the screen. Now, this last condition is usually not fulfilled in pine, so it does not work... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 11:43:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22833; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:43:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01393; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:34:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01387; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:34:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwwZ9-00000ZC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: blakjak@panix.com (Noah Mittman) Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Date: 17 Oct 1994 11:40:36 -0400 Message-Id: <37u5tk$okd@panix.com> References: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> <37trn3$ff6@panix.com> Gary Mort (gam@panix.com) screamed from panix.questions: : Questions, since this makes at least 3 people on the magic mailing : list that I know of, is it possible/a good idea for panix to : set up a local newsgroup and pipe mail from the list to the : newsgroup(and vice versa). That way we'd cut down on the excess traffic : of having 3+ copies of every message come to panix? Agreed. I'd have joined as well, if it wasn't for the fact I'm already getting too much mail as it is. :) Another vote for a local group (if you need one). -- noah [blakjak@panix.com] | "but if the answer isn't violence / neither is your silence" - pwei {http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~bhou/noahUpdate/home.html} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 12:02:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23908; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:02:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05916; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:52:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05910; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:52:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwwsc-00000iC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 11:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PCPine help Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:31:20 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37scm8$ch0@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37scm8$ch0@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Is your HP/UX machine running an IMAP server? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 16 Oct 1994, Michael Durham wrote: > Date: 16 OCT 1994 19:23:52 -0400 > From: Michael Durham > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PCPine help > > Greetings, > I am attempting to get PCpine running on a local Netware lan. However, > I am not getting very far. I would like for Pine to read a remote > mailbox on a HP-UX sitting on the same backbone as this netware lan. I > hav downloaded all the PCpines and none have worked. I get errors > ranging from host not found, IMAP disconnection, and stack drivers are > not loaded. > > Is there anyone that has been able to get this working? If so I would > like to speek with you. :) By the way... I am running NE2000 cards with > NE2K packet drivers. and PDIPX and NETX. Thanks > > Regards, > Michael S. Durham > msdurh01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 13:00:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26471; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:00:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03220; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:52:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03214; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:52:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwxqb-000011C; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: known under multiple e-mail address Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:32:24 -0700 Message-Id: References: <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> This is on our to-do list... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 15 Oct 1994, Kamil Kukura wrote: > Date: 15 OCT 1994 06:28:42 GMT > From: Kamil Kukura > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: known under multiple e-mail address > > Hi, > > One of the neat features of pine is that it shows when a message has been > sent to your address ("+" mark). However, my e-mail addr. can be one of the: > kamk@tuke.sk, kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk, Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk. It would be nice > to tell pine what address are mine so it wouldn't ask "Reply to all > receipents?" > Hope, I'm not only one with such wish. :) > > -- > -- Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk > -- -------------------- > -- MIME, ISO-Latin-2 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 13:25:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28034; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:25:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07936; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:15:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07930; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:15:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qwy7W-00000mC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 12:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Invoking pine for newsreading In-Reply-To: <199410171540.AA20489@halcyon.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:26:06 GMT The best so far is pine -if '*{news/nntp}'comp.mail.pine Not much better! I can't really see why pine couldn't behave as it did, ie pine -if \*comp.mail.pine where "*" implies connect to the news host as specified in .pinerc/pine.conf Mike On Mon, 17 Oct 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > Hi, Did you find a better way to do this? > > In comp.mail.pine you write: > >The tersest I can manage with 3.90 is > > pine -if \*\{news/nntp\}comp.mail.pine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 15:27:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04173; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:27:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06851; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:19:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06845; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:19:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx055-00000iC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 14:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sn@panix.com (S. Nass/PANIX) Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Date: 17 Oct 1994 16:45:49 -0400 Message-Id: <37unpt$hc9@panix.com> References: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> <37trn3$ff6@panix.com> In article <37trn3$ff6@panix.com> gam@panix.com (Gary Mort) writes: >Questions, since this makes at least 3 people on the magic mailing >list that I know of, is it possible/a good idea for panix to >set up a local newsgroup and pipe mail from the list to the >newsgroup(and vice versa). That way we'd cut down on the excess traffic >of having 3+ copies of every message come to panix? This is a backburner project for PANIX because, while it would be nice, it takes lower priority than various other things we have to work on. But it's a good idea and when we have the resources to devote to a mailing list-to-news gateway, we'll work on it. I've removed comp.mail.pine from the follow-ups to this part of the thread, since it is specific to PANIX. -S. -- Simona Nass Staff Account PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC sn@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 15:45:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04871; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:45:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11638; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:38:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11632; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:38:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx0Qa-00000iC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 15:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: carlos@marin.cc.ca.us (Carlos Robinson) Subject: PICO wont' work over modem Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:41:51 GMT Hello netters, I'm using Pine 3.89 on a SunOS system and the pico editor works fine within pine, but when I used just "pico filename" the return key, erase key, and the control keys DON'T work. What could be causing this, and how can I fix the problem. -carlos -- # Carlos Robinson College of Marin # # Science Computer Center Kentfield, CA 94904 # # Ph: (415) 485-9540 carlos@marin.cc.ca.us # # Email: ...!{uunet,ames,decwrl}!marin.cc.ca.us!carlos # From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 18:28:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13110; Mon, 17 Oct 94 18:28:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10979; Mon, 17 Oct 94 18:24:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10972; Mon, 17 Oct 94 18:24:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx2y7-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 18:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Saxon Subject: signatures Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible to define a .sig file, and have it appended on command, rather than automatically? Better yet, is it possible to have multiple .sigs? If it matters, I am running Pine 3.91 on a RS/6000 360 under AIX 3.2.5. Michael Saxon University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign msaxon@montana.cba.uiuc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 21:27:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17181; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:27:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13527; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:23:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13521; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:23:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx5pz-00000JC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djolley@kaiwan.com (Donald Douglas Jolley) Subject: local news server Date: 16 Oct 1994 16:19:19 -0700 Message-Id: I just posted an article inquiring into the best way to set up a discussion group among users on a system consisting of a Linux server with pc workstations running WfWG and pc-pine. No sooner had I posted the message than it occurred to me that perhaps I could capitalize on the fact that pine is a news reader as well as a mail reader. It occurred to me that perhaps I could make the Linux box into a local news server and that would be a way of implementing my local discussion groups. Of course, I have no idea what would be involved. However, I would sure like to know whether others think this is feasible. If it is considered feasible, any comments on how to proceed would also be appreciated. Thanks for any help. ... doug ______________________________________________________________________________ Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 21:27:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17191; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:27:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17972; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:23:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17960; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:23:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx5og-00000FC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 21:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep Subject: wanted: pine addressbook to .mailrc format converter Date: 17 Oct 1994 21:15:03 GMT Message-Id: <37upgn$m37@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Does anyone out there have a converter that will allow one to convert the pine .addressbook file into .mailrc format? would be greatly appreciated. markstep@chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 17 23:59:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20174; Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:59:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19947; Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:55:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19941; Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:55:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx8BT-00000PC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djolley@kaiwan.com (Donald Douglas Jolley) Subject: shared mailboxes, etc. Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:20:22 -0700 Message-Id: I'm a newbie to Pine. I'm running a Linux box as an imap server with pc workstations running WfWG and pc-pine. In reading the pine documentation, I see references to phrases like "shared mailboxes", "BBS folder", etc., all of which lead me to believe that what I want to do is possible. Basically, what I'm thinking about doing is establishing a pseudo user on the system so that any mail sent to this pseudo user could be read by all users resulting an a quasi discussion group. I might even establish several different pseudo users, one for each of several topics. Anyway, I have long since learned that whenever I have an idea, someone has already thought of a better way of doing it. So, my question really boils down to this: What's the best way to set up a mini-bbs/discussion group using pine in a configuration like mine? Thanks for any and all input. ... doug ______________________________________________________________________________ Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 00:26:02 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20734; Tue, 18 Oct 94 00:26:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15736; Tue, 18 Oct 94 00:14:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15730; Tue, 18 Oct 94 00:14:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qx8Sy-00000DC; Mon, 17 Oct 94 23:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:54:20 GMT Message-Id: References: Barry Cornelius (Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk) wrote: : We switched to Pine 3.91 earlier today. Since then, I have had two users : complain that their inboxes were corrupted. Closer inspection reveals : that in each case a number of null characters have been written to the : mailbox at the end of one of the messages. Has anyone else seen this? Check to see if your ftruncate() call works. More to the point, look through your system-dependent source code in c-client, and see if whatever your system uses as a ftruncate() call (SCO, for instance, uses chsize()), and test it. Although chsize() works here fine, I am aware of at least one other SCO site where chsize() does nothing at all. And their symptoms are identical to yours. You see, the NULL's are stuck to the end of your mailbox just in case you need them for extra message storage. After the mailbox has been written back out ftruncate() is called to shorten it back up, and cut out the trailing nulls, if any. Hence, no ftruncate(), you get NULLs. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 02:41:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24111; Tue, 18 Oct 94 02:41:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22112; Tue, 18 Oct 94 02:36:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22106; Tue, 18 Oct 94 02:36:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxAdu-00000QC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 02:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: HELP INSTALLING 3.91 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:45:10 +0100 Message-Id: References: <37jup3$lvu@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37jup3$lvu@bigfoot.wustl.edu> On 13 Oct 1994, Carlo Morpurgo wrote: > "write failed file system is full". I do not think this means he is > short of memory. It means you're out of disk space! Although this error message sounds more like a system message than a personal quota message. Hmmm... maybe when /tmp gets cleaned out. :) --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 04:06:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26684; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:06:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18652; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:00:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18640; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:00:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxBy8-00000DC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 03:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mattip@werple.apana.org.au (Matti Poldoja) Subject: Meaning of .pine-debug files? Date: 18 Oct 1994 10:04:37 GMT Message-Id: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> I am new to the requirements of unix networks in providing services to other users and have currently built pine 3.91 to run on a sunos unix platform. The system is stand-alone, that is not connected to the rest of the world, and I am trying to run pine without getting into the intricacies of imapd and whatever that involves. At this point pine seems to be doing the job of delivering the mail amongst all users, but regardless of whether mail is sent or not, every time pine is exited by any user a .pine-debug file is created. I know I can suppress the creation of these files by invoking pine with the -d0 option but this is not kosher with me - I prefer to get to the root of the problem and eliminate the creation of .pine-debug files legitimately. The problem is I cannot "see" how to correct the problem from examining the .pine-debug file. I have included a typical .pine-debug response (minus a few option settings which do not seem important to the problem, in order to save space): Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Sat Oct 15 03:53:25 1994 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Read 5148 characters: reading_pinerc "/home/root/.pinerc" Read 5453 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory ======= Current_val options set ======= inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook (options deleted)... ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/home/root/.pinerc) ======= feature-list : signature-at-bottom last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail (options deleted)... ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== (settings deleted)... Userid: root Fullname: "Operator" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "sun2" Host name being used "sun2" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"sun2" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL new win size -----<24 80>------ Terminal type: vt100 Context mail/[] type: LOCAL About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" Opened folder "/usr/spool/mail/root" with 14 messages Sorting by Arrival IMAP 3:53 10/15 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/root/ .pine-interrupted-mail - mailcap_free - ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- QUIT SCREEN ---- Want_to read: y (121) expunge and close mail stream "/usr/spool/mail/root" about to end_tty_driver - completely_done_with_adrbks - - mailcap_free - Can someone please help me with what needs to be done. Thanks in advance, Matti. -- Matti Poldoja | A short sig. mattip@werple.apana.org.au | is a good sig. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 04:41:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27298; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:41:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23768; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:32:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gw1.epmhs.gr by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23762; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:32:42 -0700 Received: by epmhs.gr id AA14698 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:23:06 +0200 From: Nikos Passas Message-Id: <199410181123.AA14698@epmhs.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe please To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:23:05 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5] Content-Length: 0 Content-Id: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Charset: ELOT_928 X-Char-Esc: 29 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 05:08:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28048; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:08:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24176; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:02:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24170; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:02:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxCxB-00000FC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 04:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Headers of Simultaneous Mail & News (was: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!!) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:13:39 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 17 Oct 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > Mark Crispin writes: > >On 7 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > >> The saved messages are separated by a "From " line. News articles > >> have no "From " line. Therefore Pine must create that line. It > >> could easily create it in a special format which Pine recognizes as > >> indicating a news article. > >Uh, there are no ``From '' lines separating the messages in my mailbox. > >You must be thinking about a mailbox format that is used on some other > >system. > I give: what is your platform and MTA? BSD UNIX and sendmail. This is an excellent example of why you must be careful about the type of assumptions you make about how mail works. Pine is used with at least nine different local storage formats, and at least four network protocols. The format which uses ``From '' lines is just one of these. The format commonly called ``news'' is another. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 05:26:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28558; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:26:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20019; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:23:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20013; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:23:15 -0700 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA21932 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:23:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:23:07 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Reopen folder command when using IMAP? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am using Pine to read my mail through IMAP. When I am accessing my mailboxes from 2 machines at once, IMAP is signalling the older connections that its mailbox has become READONLY. So far so good, but when the last/newest connection is deleted again the older connection doesn't restart its folder automatically again, neither did I find a command to reopen a folder. Only quitting Pine and restarting it suffices. Problem is that I sometimes fail to mention the (READONLY) status indicator and so I am assuming I just don't receive any mail. But when I quit Pine and restart it again, there may have been numereous messages waiting for me. Ideally, I would like to run Pine 24 hours a day. I use screen (virtual terminal handler) sessions which I share between work and home (by detaching and attaching at the other site) so I alsways can continue exactly where I left off. But sometimes I just start a pine session to read mail but that screws up the already running instance in my screen sessions. I hope I expressed myself clear enough and I would like to know if somebody has some hints for me? Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 06:04:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29334; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:04:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20509; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:00:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20499; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:00:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxDs9-00000WC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 05:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) Subject: Re: known under multiple e-mail address Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:05:44 -0000 Message-Id: <380dmo$pe1@kantti.Helsinki.FI> References: <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <37nsqq$l02@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk>, Kamil Kukura wrote: >One of the neat features of pine is that it shows when a message has been >sent to your address ("+" mark). However, my e-mail addr. can be one of the: >kamk@tuke.sk, kamk@ccsun.tuke.sk, Kamil.Kukura@tuke.sk. It would be nice >to tell pine what address are mine so it wouldn't ask "Reply to all >receipents?" We use the Firstname.Lastname-type aliases quite a lot, so we had this problem too. So I modified Pine to recognize this type of alias, if the alias is the same as the Personal Name variable (spaces changed into dots, of course). But if you want the Personal Name to be something like Foo "the Incredible" Bar, the patch won't help. I can post my patch (relative to 3.91 now) if there is sufficient interest, but it would be better if the Pine team made a more general change, perhaps a list of personal aliases configurable from the Setup/Configure-screen or something. -- Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen University of Helsinki Lea doesn't Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI Computing Centre rhyme with tea. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 06:26:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29874; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:26:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20788; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:18:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from aau.dk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20782; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:18:03 -0700 Received: from slam.aar-vki.dk by aau.dk with SMTP id AA25789 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:00:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199410181300.AA25789@aau.dk> Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by slam.aar-vki.dk id aa18368; 12 Oct 94 8:05 MEZ Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29290; Tue, 11 Oct 94 22:35:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu To: distribution:;;;; (see end of body) rnes , Michael Reynolds , Jeff Hameluck , Damon Cole , "Nicholas L. Petrakis" , David Brownlee , Ryan Scott , Mumit Khan , Pierre Thibaudeau , David Lutz , Poor little fish , Chris Frezza , Randolph Langley , Eric R Dodge , Charlie Brady , "Dexter K. Chow" , "Adolfo (Ernie) Cuadra (PHARM)" , Pierre Thibaudeau , "Philip M. Howard" , Jim Davis , "Eric A. Helgeson" , Paul Bishop , Jamaica , Evan Jason Baron , Robert E Baines , Jonathan Miguel Sy , Roman Czyborra , Bryant Boggs , Stuart Seelye , Mike Roch , Jeff Ferguson , Adele Framer , Earl Fogel , Rich Baldwin , Andreas Falley , Thomas Moe , Steven Dobbs , Don Francisco , Heagarty , "Nick (Theatre Man) Donaldson" , David Buchinsky , Barry Bouwsma , Les LaPhilliph , Yash Holbrook , "King_Claudius (Chris Knight)" , Wolf Pavel , John Gordon , Mike Arst , "E. Hack" , "" , Michele BaNzO Zamboni , Pierre Louis Bastien , skywalker , Pivo A Zmrzlina , Thomas Hucke , useni faton , Bill Lane , Help Account , Bart Simpson , Renee Ann Byrd , "George L. Westlund" , --Navigator-- , Juan Fernandez , Tim Hansell , "Zion S.F. Wang" , James Helm , Michael Lerner , Scott Mewett , Daniel Shnowske , Sue Van Sickle , eogoldman@ucdavis.edu, dguerrer@utdallas.edu, k kilpatrick , Russ Welti , Levisky , Wayne Wymore , Steve VanDevender , "Thomas B. Clark III" , mfmartinez@ucdavis.edu, Tyson E Jackson , Lyndon Nerenberg , "Adam B. Cox" , The Man , Terry Van Ausdall , Jon Vestal , "Joseph A. Marble" , Bob Anderson , Tim Long , Stone , It's great to be fine , Elmar Kurgpold , Julian Don Horn , Grace Landel , James Spottiswoode , "Michael O. Montgomery" , Jimmy Fung , Ken Weaverling , Sami Tapani Nurmela , Stewart Jay , davidson erin marie , Grant Weber , Arthur Sanderson , root , Aardvark , nash paul robert , Kevin C Henricks , "Ashok N. Srivastava" , "Carlos F. Dierolf H." , Operator , David Hedbor , "J. Oakley" , A Weasel Named Fee , root , K C Lun , Jim Kenyon , Michael Prodor , "0000-Admin(0000)" , James West , "Kevin J. 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Chow" , Alan Thornton x8434 , mike@cblcbos1.umd.edu, Abdullah Abdul Hamid , Zuraida Jamaluddin , Rebecca Wright , Help Account , David Wall , John Archer , 3Gua9.yT0@mendel.vszbr.cz, "ing. Vladimir Klejch" , Ron Aley , bob stoller , Sheri Saville , postmaster@efn.org, Wayne Wymore , Bob Williams , is-unix-acc , Jerry de Raad , David Hedbor , root , Will Rowe , Kevin Thomas VanAuker , Gregory Gulik , Pine Bugs , Moshe Goldberg , Patrick Price , D.M.Roch@reading.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 bug reports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:27:23 +0000 (MEZ) ReSent-From: Eigil Krogh Sorensen ReSent-To: vki -- Anders Lynggaard-Jensen , Anita Pachai , Carsten Simonsen , Claus Nickelsen , Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Else Marie Ostergaard , Hans Peter Bitsch Hansen , Ida Rasmussen , Jesper Duwe Nielsen , Lis Dahl Frederiksen , Niels Eisum , Peer Bo Mortensen , Peter Balslev ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: eks@aar-vki.dk Hello all, Sorry about the bulk reply, but we have been inundated by bug reports and help requests since the release of Pine 3.90. You have all reported bugs or problems that I believe are fixed in Pine 3.91, which was just released. Rather than individually reply to all of the outstanding reports with basically the same message, I have decided to send one big message :) The official announcement of Pine 3.91 should appear on the pine-announce and pine-info mailing lists and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup shortly. Please obtain the new release from ftp.cac.washington.edu and let us know if you have any further difficulties. Thank you for your assistance and patience! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA %%% overflow headers %%% To: Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Joachim Nerz , Alex Sharaz , Blain Nelson , Mary Brown , Paul 'Shag' Walmsley , "Charles W. 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Hollis Wickman" , phaedrus , Anita Pacha , Simon.Ba@aar-vki.dk %%% end overflow headers %%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 06:30:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29970; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:30:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25317; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:24:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from worldlink.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25311; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:24:02 -0700 Received: by worldlink.worldlink.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-Worldlink) id AA21833; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:23:06 -0400 Message-Id: <2991492671.0.p00500@psilink.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 14:39:35 -0400 To: "Evan Leibovitch" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "John P. Ebert" Organization: The Ohio Company Subject: Re: Building PINE under UnixWare X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.6.2) >At 14 Oct 94 17:41:47 GMT, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >I've recently got my hands on Pine 3.90, >It won't build onder Novell UnixWare 1.1, using the 'sv4' options to >build. > >Has anyone done the build for UnixWare? I just built Pine 3.91 on Novell UnixWare 1.1 using the instructions from when I built Pine 3.89. Here's what I changed: In "pine/osdep/os-sv4.h", uncomment '#define ANSI', comment out '#define const', uncomment '#define USE_TERMINFO', and change '#define SENDMAIL "/usr/lib/sendmail"' to '#define SENDMAIL /usr/ucblib/sendmail". If you want to change the installed location of "pine.conf" and "pine.info", edit "pine/init.c", "pine/pine.hlp", and "pine/osdep/os-sv4.h". Change all occurences of "/usr/local/lib" to whatever path you want for those files. For Pine 3.89, in "imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile", I changed RSH from "resh" to "rsh" and RSHPATH from "/usr/bin/resh" to "/usr/bin/rsh", but I don't think it is necessary for Pine 3.91. After all that, I just ran "./build sv4" in the top directory. I get some compiler warnings about "...semantics of change in ANSI C..." and "...argument incompatible with prototype...", but these all seem to be benign warnings. You are right that it probably should use the ANSI source for UnixWare, but I guess there are still a bunch of SVR4 versions out there without Standard (ANSI) C compilers. Hope this helps, John Ebert The Ohio Company, Columbus, Ohio USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 07:03:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01064; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:03:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21460; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:00:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21454; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:00:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxEnE-00000DC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@ceslab01. (Chris Alfeld) Subject: Re: PICO wont' work over modem Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 02:54:23 GMT Message-Id: <1994Oct18.025423.23950@math.utah.edu> References: Carlos Robinson (carlos@marin.cc.ca.us) wrote: : Hello netters, : I'm using Pine 3.89 on a SunOS system and the pico editor works fine within : pine, but when I used just "pico filename" the return key, erase key, and the : control keys DON'T work. : What could be causing this, and how can I fix the problem. ^X means control-X where X is a key (return) = return key (delete) = delete key stty erase ^V(delete) eol ^V(return) try that. -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) Home Page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 07:06:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01113; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:06:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25950; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:00:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25944; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:00:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxEmW-00000FC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 06:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rdenham@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu (Ronald Evans Denham) Subject: Overview needed here... Date: 17 Oct 1994 19:59:29 -0500 Message-Id: <37v6lh$224q@tiger3.ocs.lsu.edu> I've got an environment where I have a DEC machine with OSF/1 available. I don't understand if I can use PC Pine over a Trumpet Winsock PC stack to access mail on the OSF/1 machine and have a secure system. How is security enforced on the PC? I don't want everyone being able to run PC on my PC and reading my mail. Just how does PC Pine work with security on the server? Thanks a bunch rdenham@tiger.lsu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 07:47:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02143; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:47:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26632; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:42:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26626; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:42:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxFPA-000008C; Tue, 18 Oct 94 07:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@jaguar.tigerden.com (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Problem with Pine 3.90 addressbook Date: 13 Oct 1994 23:20:02 GMT Message-Id: <37kfb2$gm@ns.oar.net> References: <37efef$cod@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Kyle Koppenhoefer (kkopp@cern06.ce.uiuc.edu) wrote: : I am running Pine 3.90 on an HP 720 running HP-UX 9.01. When I try to access : my 3.89 addressbook, I only get a few entries of my large addressbook. (Several : other users on our network do not have this problem.) Has anyone else had : this problem? This is a bug in pine acknowledged by the pine development team. A fix should be in the next release according to an answer to this posted earlier. -- George From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 08:09:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02923; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:09:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26953; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:02:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26947; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:02:08 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05074; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:02:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: System Administrator Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problem with Pine 3.90 addressbook In-Reply-To: <37kfb2$gm@ns.oar.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 13 Oct 1994, George wrote: > Kyle Koppenhoefer (kkopp@cern06.ce.uiuc.edu) wrote: > > : I am running Pine 3.90 on an HP 720 running HP-UX 9.01. When I try to access > : my 3.89 addressbook, I only get a few entries of my large addressbook. (Several > : other users on our network do not have this problem.) Has anyone else had > : this problem? > > This is a bug in pine acknowledged by the pine development team. A fix > should be in the next release according to an answer to this posted > earlier. And the next release (3.91) was made available 11 Oct 94. We strongly urge everyone to upgrade from 3.90 to 3.91 (even though we forgot to change the version number in some of the online text :) There are a number of important fixes in 3.91. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 08:33:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03995; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:33:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27439; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:24:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from aau.dk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27433; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:24:26 -0700 Received: from slam.aar-vki.dk by aau.dk with SMTP id AA00293 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 16:11:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199410181511.AA00293@aau.dk> Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by slam.aar-vki.dk id aa18368; 12 Oct 94 8:05 MEZ Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29290; Tue, 11 Oct 94 22:35:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller Reply-To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu To: distribution:;;;; (see end of body) rnes , Michael Reynolds , Jeff Hameluck , Damon Cole , "Nicholas L. Petrakis" , David Brownlee , Ryan Scott , Mumit Khan , Pierre Thibaudeau , David Lutz , Poor little fish , Chris Frezza , Randolph Langley , Eric R Dodge , Charlie Brady , "Dexter K. Chow" , "Adolfo (Ernie) Cuadra (PHARM)" , Pierre Thibaudeau , "Philip M. Howard" , Jim Davis , "Eric A. Helgeson" , Paul Bishop , Jamaica , Evan Jason Baron , Robert E Baines , Jonathan Miguel Sy , Roman Czyborra , Bryant Boggs , Stuart Seelye , Mike Roch , Jeff Ferguson , Adele Framer , Earl Fogel , Rich Baldwin , Andreas Falley , Thomas Moe , Steven Dobbs , Don Francisco , Heagarty , "Nick (Theatre Man) Donaldson" , David Buchinsky , Barry Bouwsma , Les LaPhilliph , Yash Holbrook , "King_Claudius (Chris Knight)" , Wolf Pavel , John Gordon , Mike Arst , "E. Hack" , "" , Michele BaNzO Zamboni , Pierre Louis Bastien , skywalker , Pivo A Zmrzlina , Thomas Hucke , useni faton , Bill Lane , Help Account , Bart Simpson , Renee Ann Byrd , "George L. Westlund" , --Navigator-- , Juan Fernandez , Tim Hansell , "Zion S.F. Wang" , James Helm , Michael Lerner , Scott Mewett , Daniel Shnowske , Sue Van Sickle , eogoldman@ucdavis.edu, dguerrer@utdallas.edu, k kilpatrick , Russ Welti , Levisky , Wayne Wymore , Steve VanDevender , "Thomas B. Clark III" , mfmartinez@ucdavis.edu, Tyson E Jackson , Lyndon Nerenberg , "Adam B. Cox" , The Man , Terry Van Ausdall , Jon Vestal , "Joseph A. Marble" , Bob Anderson , Tim Long , Stone , It's great to be fine , Elmar Kurgpold , Julian Don Horn , Grace Landel , James Spottiswoode , "Michael O. Montgomery" , Jimmy Fung , Ken Weaverling , Sami Tapani Nurmela , Stewart Jay , davidson erin marie , Grant Weber , Arthur Sanderson , root , Aardvark , nash paul robert , Kevin C Henricks , "Ashok N. Srivastava" , "Carlos F. Dierolf H." , Operator , David Hedbor , "J. Oakley" , A Weasel Named Fee , root , K C Lun , Jim Kenyon , Michael Prodor , "0000-Admin(0000)" , James West , "Kevin J. Sinclair" , Susan Feingold , Bryan Novak , Alan Wilensky , Joseph Pillow , The Friendly Stranger , Jyoti Sukhadia , "Michael U. Mueller" , Christoph Kunze , Adrian Bassett , urban anton , Henry Jay Powell IX , Administrative Applications , Samson Luk , "Linwood Foster (Direwolf)" , "jessica@gate.net" , Paul Nagai , Joe Marton , Kirk Robinson Cc: Pine Developers , hph@aar-vki.dk, jdn@aar-vki.dk, s8u@ornl.gov, aezekiel@unm.edu, Geoff Barton , support@worf.infonet.net, pine-info@cac.washington.edu, staff@world.std.com, Terry Gray , pine@cac.washington.edu, rajnovic@thunderbird.auc.laurentian.ca, admin@chula.ac.th, Steve Hubert , Pine Bug Reports , bob@bwc.org, Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Hans Peter Bitsch Hansen , barnes@gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com, Mumit Khan , mikes@cac.washington.edu, Problems Mail Answers , kingb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu, "Dexter K. Chow" , Alan Thornton x8434 , mike@cblcbos1.umd.edu, Abdullah Abdul Hamid , Zuraida Jamaluddin , Rebecca Wright , Help Account , David Wall , John Archer , 3Gua9.yT0@mendel.vszbr.cz, "ing. Vladimir Klejch" , Ron Aley , bob stoller , Sheri Saville , postmaster@efn.org, Wayne Wymore , Bob Williams , is-unix-acc , Jerry de Raad , David Hedbor , root , Will Rowe , Kevin Thomas VanAuker , Gregory Gulik , Pine Bugs , Moshe Goldberg , Patrick Price , D.M.Roch@reading.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 bug reports In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:27:23 +0000 (MEZ) ReSent-From: Eigil Krogh Sorensen ReSent-To: vki -- Anders Lynggaard-Jensen , Anita Pachai , Carsten Simonsen , Claus Nickelsen , Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Else Marie Ostergaard , Hans Peter Bitsch Hansen , Ida Rasmussen , Jesper Duwe Nielsen , Lis Dahl Frederiksen , Niels Eisum , Peer Bo Mortensen , Peter Balslev ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: eks@aar-vki.dk Hello all, Sorry about the bulk reply, but we have been inundated by bug reports and help requests since the release of Pine 3.90. You have all reported bugs or problems that I believe are fixed in Pine 3.91, which was just released. Rather than individually reply to all of the outstanding reports with basically the same message, I have decided to send one big message :) The official announcement of Pine 3.91 should appear on the pine-announce and pine-info mailing lists and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup shortly. Please obtain the new release from ftp.cac.washington.edu and let us know if you have any further difficulties. Thank you for your assistance and patience! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA %%% overflow headers %%% To: Eigil Krogh Sorensen , Joachim Nerz , Alex Sharaz , Blain Nelson , Mary Brown , Paul 'Shag' Walmsley , "Charles W. 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Hollis Wickman" , phaedrus , Anita Pacha , Simon.Ba@aar-vki.dk %%% end overflow headers %%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 08:55:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05212; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:55:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23567; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:50:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23561; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:50:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxGXg-00000DC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: abbe@ccnet.com (U WISH 2 NO) Subject: PINE 3.90 surport receipt? Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:06:10 -0700 Message-Id: <37voki$eeh@ccnet.ccnet.com> I remember that I saw a message on this newsgroup said that the new version of Pine (3.90+) will add a function like Return-Receipt like in ELM. I was thinking how do I do it? I like PINE a lot but without the Return-Receipt function, I rather stay with ELM. Thanx for you info. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 09:08:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06612; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:08:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28271; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:00:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28265; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:00:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxGfk-00000LC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 08:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Bouwsma Subject: Re: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:47:10 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote: > In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1 > E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content- > Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to > *read* 8-bit mail with Pine. I have never had any problem with Pine handling 8-bit news or mail messages, provided that... 1) An 8-bit-clean path exists between the sender and the point I read from. Note that many mails sent with C-T-E=8BIT are handled by MTAs which lose the 8th bit without your awareness. Also, if I try to read news from any NNTP server in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the main gateway to the outside world loses bit 8. This has the result of rendering relcom.* postings as rather difficult to read with a KOI8-R font, and loses all C-T-E=8BIT characters in French, German, Danish, Norwegian... 2) An 8-bit-clean path exists between Pine and my display and I am using the correct font. There are a number of ways this can go wrong too, but with proper terminal setup and stty settings, I am able to compose and view 8-bit messages on this xterm started with xterm -font xtrek -e pine (please ignore typos, I have no idea what I've typed) Note that if you can correctly view C-T-E=QUOTED-PRINTABLE mail as 8-bit data on your display, the problem is that some intermediate mailer is losing your 8th bit, a problem which Q-P was designed to work around until widespread adoption of 8BITMIME mailers. Pine itself should pass 8-bit data to the path to your display unaltered, regardless of whether you have defined an 8-bit charset. It only matters for composition of messages. Barry Bouwsma, xtrek installer biking Europe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 09:37:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08012; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:37:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24661; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:30:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24655; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:30:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxH9P-00000LC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 09:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Warren Subject: Re: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? Message-Id: <9410180953.aa04421@pasteur.medsup.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 9:53:35 CDT >Barry Cornelius (Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk) wrote: >: We switched to Pine 3.91 earlier today. Since then, I have had two users >: complain that their inboxes were corrupted. Closer inspection reveals >: that in each case a number of null characters have been written to the >: mailbox at the end of one of the messages. Has anyone else seen this? >Check to see if your ftruncate() call works. More to the point, look >through your system-dependent source code in c-client, and see if >whatever your system uses as a ftruncate() call (SCO, for instance, uses >chsize()), and test it. Although chsize() works here fine, I am aware of >at least one other SCO site where chsize() does nothing at all. And >their symptoms are identical to yours. You see, the NULL's are stuck to >the end of your mailbox just in case you need them for extra message >storage. After the mailbox has been written back out ftruncate() is >called to shorten it back up, and cut out the trailing nulls, if any. >Hence, no ftruncate(), you get NULLs. >Gunther Anderson I take it Gunther you are talking about me? (: Yes, I had this problem with Pine3.90. After I read a new peice of mail or deleted some mail, it would add a bunch of NULLS to the end of my mailbox. After some research and conversation with Gunther, it was found out that the 'chsize' function did not work on our system. (Still don't know why to this day) However, I went and wrote my own, and I now have no more corruption of the mail box. I did notice another problem, which is more than likely to be the fault of our system, of Pine3.90 deleting every other message when consecutive messages were tagged for deletion. I looked in the code, and the algorithm seemed to work like this: It would search for the first message with a delete flag. It would delete this message. It would move all following messages down the array, making message #6 to be #5 now. It then seemed to increase the Index (some int that points to an array element). With this increasing of the index, it would skip the #5 message. All I did to fix this problem was to not increase the index integer when a message had been deleted. Anyone else ever experience this problem? I am using Pine3.90 for SCO. Anyways Barry, we seem to have some of the same problems. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me or Gunther. Michael mwarren@medsup.com -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | "NI!" "Bring us a shrubbery" | | | | Alabama Michael Warren "NI!" | | | | Class of '93 mwarren@medsup.com | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 10:25:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10000; Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:25:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00425; Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:19:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from osf1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00417; Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:19:01 -0700 Received: by osf1.gmu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv1) id AA14463; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:19:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sherry H. Lake" Reply-To: slake@gmu.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: ^Z doesn't work in "compose Message" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With 3.91 (and 3.90) ^Z does not work while composing a message. I get "Unknown command: ^Z". This worked in 3.89. ^Z works in other part of pine, but not in "compose". ---- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 11:20:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12552; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:20:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01626; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:14:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comet.med.utah.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01620; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:14:32 -0700 Received: (paulleo@localhost) by comet.med.utah.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA04045; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 12:15:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 12:15:13 -0600 (MDT) From: "Paul G. Leo Jr." To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? In-Reply-To: <9410180953.aa04421@pasteur.medsup.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think I may have inavertently deleted the reply from the pine team... would one of the pine team please let me know if there is a problem with corrupted mailboxes, or adress books in pine v3.91 -- I was under the impression that both of these problems had been fixed in version 3.91 -- I'm ready to release v 3.91 to the masses, and just want to verify the status of above thanks Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet Eccles Institute of Human Genetics Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 favorite quote(s): "I always have a good day, I don't let nuthin eva bottha me" Just Jeeps counter person Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, BWI From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 11:47:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13967; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:47:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27985; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:42:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27979; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:42:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxJAy-000008C; Tue, 18 Oct 94 11:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: msdurh01@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Michael Durham) Subject: SMTP server/help Date: 17 Oct 1994 21:39:55 -0400 Message-Id: <37v91b$e61@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Greetings, Earler I posted about gettin PC pine working on a Novell Network. Many thanks for all the responses i got. Well, I am still working onthe same problem. I can do everything in PCpine however, I can not send mail. I have to have a SMTP server on my host. I _KNOW_ that my host is not running one. The question is where can I get the source so i can get one running? Also would it be setup the same as the IMAP daemons? Many thanks, Michael S. Durham msdurh01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 13:23:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19208; Tue, 18 Oct 94 13:23:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04588; Tue, 18 Oct 94 13:16:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04580; Tue, 18 Oct 94 13:15:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxKfh-00000OC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 12:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Bone, mail, and forward Date: 18 Oct 1994 19:18:02 GMT Message-Id: <38171a$ris@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi there: I got question about three different methods to send mail to other people. Mail(compose) and forward will keep the 8bit, but bone will strip the 8bit. Is that a bug? Thanks!! Henry From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 15:20:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24915; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:20:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03285; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:12:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03279; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:12:04 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09562; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:11:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Paul G. Leo Jr." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: re: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul, Pine 3.91 fixes some serious problems with address-book handling in 3.90. It also fixes lots of other bugs, but the only mailbox corruption report I recall seeing was the one from Barry C. that started this thread, concerning nulls being appended to the inbox. We do not yet understand what is causing that particular problem (or even if it is in fact a Pine bug), but we have not had any other reports of extraneous nulls. We *believe* that 3.91 is in all respects better than 3.90 (except for not having corrected all the references to 3.90 in the help text, and having broken the local bug reporting facility.) If anyone has any contrary experience, please let us and everyone else know so (a) the problems can get fixed, and (b) folks can make informed deployment decisions. -teg On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote: > > I think I may have inavertently deleted the reply from the pine team... > > would one of the pine team please let me know if there is a problem with > corrupted mailboxes, or adress books in pine v3.91 -- > > I was under the impression that both of these problems had been fixed in > version 3.91 -- I'm ready to release v 3.91 to the masses, and just want > to verify the status of above > > thanks > > Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu > University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet > Eccles Institute of Human Genetics > Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 > > favorite quote(s): > > "I always have a good day, I don't let nuthin eva bottha me" > Just Jeeps counter person > Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, BWI > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 15:32:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25564; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:32:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03644; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:27:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03638; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:27:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxMg6-00000DC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: random@plato.simons-rock.edu (Daniel Drucker) Subject: incoming folders/saved folders question Date: 18 Oct 1994 10:43:45 -0400 Message-Id: <380mv1$f50@plato.simons-rock.edu> I would like Pine to have mail/alb-old be my DEFAULT folder to move read mail from incoming/alb. I played with folder-collections=, but that doesn't seem to do anything. (I have procmail sending all my mail from a mailing list called 'alb' into ~/incoming/alb) Daniel Drucker From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 16:23:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28276; Tue, 18 Oct 94 16:23:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08898; Tue, 18 Oct 94 16:16:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08876; Tue, 18 Oct 94 16:16:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxNRr-000008C; Tue, 18 Oct 94 15:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Adam Dace Subject: Reply-To field Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all! I was just wondering if someone out there knows how to create a Reply-To: field in Pine. I've checked what docs I have, the manpage and .pinerc but can't seem to find anything. ): Basically, I would like to be able to e-mail from my PC (which is part-time SLIPed in) and have people's mail software automatically point responses towards my e-mail box on my providers' machine. If anyone knows, please e-mail me as I don't read Usenet all that often (too damn busy!). Thank you, /--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------\ | Adam Dace (E-mail: glide@mcs.com) | -=Internet Junkie At Large=- | | PC/Unix/Network Consultant | OnShore Consulting (312) ONS-HORE | \--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 19:00:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04227; Tue, 18 Oct 94 19:00:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08377; Tue, 18 Oct 94 18:52:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08371; Tue, 18 Oct 94 18:52:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxPsO-00000LC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 18:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scheidel@gate.net (Michael S. Scheidell) Subject: Re: Meaning of .pine-debug files? Date: 19 Oct 1994 01:02:09 GMT Message-Id: <381r6h$1f03@tequesta.gate.net> References: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : The .pine-debug file is *always* created unless you suppress it with -d0. It : is not any indication of a problem. quick fix : alias pine='/usr/local/bin/pine -d0' -- Michael S. Scheidell Florida Datamation, Inc. scheidel@gate.net (407) 241-2966 Distributers of QNX Real Time OS Products (finger for more info) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 20:05:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06051; Tue, 18 Oct 94 20:05:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13015; Tue, 18 Oct 94 19:57:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13009; Tue, 18 Oct 94 19:57:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxQxX-00000DC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 19:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ec179@city.ac.uk (Mark Lewis) Subject: Why base64 encode? (pine-3.91) Message-Id: <1994Oct18.173637.14138@city.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 17:36:37 GMT After recently sending some mail with a shellscript as an attachment to a friend, I found out that pine had base64 encoded it. This seems rather stupid to me since no encoding was necessary (the file was plaintext), and therefore doing encoding on it only served to make it unreadable by mailreaders that aren't MIME compliant. Surely pine should check wether encoding is necessary before carrying it out on attachments? Perhaps this is merely a problem with the installation at my site (I hope so), but any info/comments are welcome. Mark. -- .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 20:49:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07276; Tue, 18 Oct 94 20:49:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10209; Tue, 18 Oct 94 20:44:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10197; Tue, 18 Oct 94 20:44:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxRbT-000008C; Tue, 18 Oct 94 20:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Subject: Problem with Pine 3.90 VAX/VMS Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:26:30 EDT Message-Id: <94291.142630MMIQC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> I am having the following problem with the Pine 3.90 VMS port: When I run pine, I get an access violation. I am using NETLIB 1.7 with UCX. A transcript follows: $ R PINE %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC=000AE91A, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC OS_VMS getdomainnames 6023 00000026 000AE91A INIT init_hostname 7136 0000008D 0007A8E9 PINE main 5547 00000205 00055405 Thank You for your help. MM; From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 18 23:42:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10781; Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:42:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15954; Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:31:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15948; Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:31:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxUAm-00000LC; Tue, 18 Oct 94 23:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donald Pirl Subject: Re: 'filter' and pine 3.89 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 22:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > I'm assuming that you are talking about the "filter" program > that comes with the elm distribution. If my assumption is wrong you'll > need to supply additional information. Your reply (to some one else) has told me that I am on the right track. I am indeed trying to use the elm "filter" program. > Now the one thing you need to know is that "filter" does not > execute at login. It is run during the delivery process. This is > accomplished via the use of your .forward file. An example of the > contents of a .forward file would be: > > "|/usr/local/bin/filter #egreshko " I have placed such a .forward file in my home directory > On deliver of a message this .forward will cause the message > to be "piped" to the program "filter" defined by the full pathname. (If > your filter program resides in a different place you need to change the > full path.....obviously.) The #egreshko is to make the call unique to > the system. > > There isn't any configuration necessary to .pinerc file to user > filter. Remember....pine and filter are totally unrelated. I do seem to be having a problem deleting unwanted and empty incoming message folders. They delete, but the next time, they are back and _won't_ delete. But I *don't know why no messages were piped into my one (other than INBOX) *real* incoming message folder. Thanks for your held, Edward. > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > --Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 00:58:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12493; Wed, 19 Oct 94 00:58:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13411; Wed, 19 Oct 94 00:51:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13405; Wed, 19 Oct 94 00:51:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxVRS-00000hC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 00:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rnb@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu (Robert N. Berlinger) Subject: Patch to Telnet for Set a Mark? Message-Id: <3276@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 94 16:08:01 GMT I'm told there is a patch to NCSA Telnet 2.6 that allows the control-^ sequence to work (for the Set a Mark command). Anyone know about this or where I could find it? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 02:14:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14528; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:14:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18075; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:05:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18069; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:05:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxWbp-00000LC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 01:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: klolio@csc.com (Karen Lolio) Subject: Expansion of Lists Not Working Date: 18 Oct 1994 17:37:13 -0400 Message-Id: <381f69$t98@explorer.csc.com> Help - suddenly mailing lists do not expand on the Pine To: or Cc: line. I don't know what I did to cause this to happen, and I want to restore this feature since the users like it. Any help is appreciated. This is on a Solaris 2.3 machine. Karen Lolio klolio@csc.com 301-794-2857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 02:53:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15208; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:53:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14927; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:46:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14921; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:46:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxXGs-00000FC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 02:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: L_Man Subject: Re: ^Z doesn't work in "compose Message" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:22:05 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Sherry H. Lake wrote: > With 3.91 (and 3.90) ^Z does not work while composing a message. I get > "Unknown command: ^Z". This worked in 3.89. > > ^Z works in other part of pine, but not in "compose". > I noticed this also when I do a select command and the group has hundreds of messages to siphen though I may do ^Z it won't take me out until the search is over. Same if I use the tab function to go to the next newgroup and there are fifty "empty" newsgroups. I solved the latter problem by getting rid of the newsgroups that were not working so it won't take a million years to go to the next available group (thru the tab key function). As far as ^z is concerned for compose...it works fine for me, crl.com uses ver 3.91 on a SunOs machine. The only time I could get the "Unknown Command ^Z" statement was when I took the suspend option out of the configuration. Though I couldn't suspend anywhere else either, it gave me another message "suspension not enabled" but appearantly it works for you. Look at the configuration carefully, If your not a sysop, perhaps your sysop placed some new restrictions on Pine. "clueless" lawrence lmbutler@crl.com | "I do not know what expert judges would think about the intrinsic excellence or perfection of the object in question, but I do know that it pleases me to behold or contemplate.It may or may not be admirable in the judgment of experts, but I enjoy it nevertheless"-M.J.Adler From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 03:54:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16928; Wed, 19 Oct 94 03:54:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19253; Wed, 19 Oct 94 03:46:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19247; Wed, 19 Oct 94 03:46:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxYEs-00000IC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 03:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: compwr@netcom.com (Comm Power) Subject: pine3.89 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:42:34 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 05:47:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20350; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:47:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17409; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:39:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17401; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:39:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxa4L-00000LC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@andrew.triumf.ca (Andrew Daviel) Subject: VMS Pine 3.90, mx% Date: 18 Oct 1994 23:03:37 GMT Message-Id: <381k89$9bb@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> I built the VMS pine from Israel under VMS V5.5-2H4 It comes up OK and I can read old (& new) messages, with attachments. If I select Compose it wants to continue a non-existant old message. Ignoring that, if I have smtp_server defined I get a message can't connect to server. I built with the multinet option. We normally use the MX mailer. If I set the logical $ define pine_mail_protocol mx and delete the config item smtp_server then as far as I can tell ToItem is correctly set to mx%"user@node.domain" in [.c-client]vms_mail.c However when mail$send_end is called I get an error %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user user@node.domain at and an access violation. Looking at the temporary file it appears that the To: field is created in RFC822 form, ie. user@node.domain rather than mx%"user@node.domain" but that may be correct. -- Andrew Daviel email: advax@triumf.ca TRIUMF voice: 604-222-1047 x6529 4004 Wesbrook Mall fax: 604-222-8325 Vancouver BC http://andrew.triumf.ca/~andrew Canada V6T 2A3 http://www.triumf.ca (TRIUMF) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 05:56:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20600; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:56:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17513; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:47:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17507; Wed, 19 Oct 94 05:47:40 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA21490; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:44:21 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA19140; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:47:37 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02857; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:47:35 CDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:47:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Adam Dace Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply-To field In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1211 On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Adam Dace wrote: > Hi all! I was just wondering if someone out there knows how to create a > Reply-To: field in Pine. I've checked what docs I have, the manpage and > .pinerc but can't seem to find anything. ): > > Basically, I would like to be able to e-mail from my PC (which is > part-time SLIPed in) and have people's mail software automatically point > responses towards my e-mail box on my providers' machine. > In the configuration screen (Select Main Menu, Setup, Configuration), find the line that has 'customized-hdrs:' and add the value: Reply-To: thekind@glide.pr.mcs.net or whatever return address you want. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 07:36:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23936; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:36:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19284; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:26:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from herman.cs.uoguelph.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19278; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:26:28 -0700 Received: from gadwall.cs.uoguelph.ca by herman.cs.uoguelph.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA03212; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:27:08 -0400 Received: by gadwall.cs.uoguelph.ca (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA258046827; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:27:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:27:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Howie Subject: Incorporating CSO into Pine addressbooks To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, We would like to add the following functionality to the Pine3.91 client: We currently use a custon written CSO nameserver client, and would like to incorporate it into the addressbook routines to do the following: In addition to allowing the user to Select an email address from the addressbook and insert this into the To: field when composing, we'd like to be able to extract similar information from a CSO query using the above-mentioned CSO client. The user would optionally be able to insert this information into the addressbook. I've had a look at the addressbook code and, although it's not impossible, will require a fair bit of coding. I was fortunate enough to be told by our Pine expert that I should target this for Pine3.91 (excellent release, incidently!), rather than our current Pine3.89 - the addressbook code is substantially re-written in 3.91 :) Questions: 1. Anyone done this before 2. Are there any API hooks planned for Pine to allow this sort of thing? We'd hate to re-invent the wheel or make this more difficult than it should be. Any hints appreciated, Scotty -- ================================================================= Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 University of Guelph If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 08:18:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25827; Wed, 19 Oct 94 08:18:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20150; Wed, 19 Oct 94 08:09:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20143; Wed, 19 Oct 94 08:09:42 -0700 Via: uk.ac.durham; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:35:08 +0100 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by durham.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:36:03 +0100 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:35:44 BST Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:35:36 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Terry Gray , Gunther Anderson , Michael Warren , Paul G Leo Jr Subject: Re: corrupted mailboxes: is 3.91 to blame? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2382 On Mon, 17 Oct 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > We switched to Pine 3.91 earlier today. Since then, I have had two users > complain that their inboxes were corrupted. Closer inspection reveals > that in each case a number of null characters have been written to the > mailbox at the end of one of the messages. Has anyone else seen this? > I am unclear at the moment as to whether this is a Pine 3.91 problem or > something else. On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Pine 3.91 fixes some serious problems with address-book handling in 3.90. > It also fixes lots of other bugs, but the only mailbox corruption report I > recall seeing was the one from Barry C. that started this thread, > concerning nulls being appended to the inbox. > We do not yet understand what is causing that particular problem (or even > if it is in fact a Pine bug), but we have not had any other reports of > extraneous nulls. > We *believe* that 3.91 is in all respects better than 3.90 (except for > not having corrected all the references to 3.90 in the help text, and > having broken the local bug reporting facility.) > If anyone has any contrary experience, please let us and everyone else > know so (a) the problems can get fixed, and (b) folks can make informed > deployment decisions. Last Monday, we started to use 3.91, and last Monday two users obtained corrupted mailboxes (aka inboxes). However, since then we have had no problems. My current view is that this was all a coincidence. We run Pine 3.91 mainly on SunOS 5.x and HP-UX 9.01 boxes. As I write, there are currently 73 IMAP processes (/etc/rimapd) running on the computer holding mailboxes, and on that computer there are 5744 mailboxes in /var/spool/mail (but not all of these are accessed using IMAP from Pine). We use Berkeley mail format (aka mbox) and some version of sendmail. With all this usage of Pine 3.91, in my view there is currently no evidence to suggest that the corrupted mailboxes were caused by Pine 3.91. I'm sorry if I started a false rumour. I was panicing a bit at the time! -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 13:07:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12359; Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:07:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27832; Wed, 19 Oct 94 12:59:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27826; Wed, 19 Oct 94 12:59:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxgyZ-00000FC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 12:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: Can't compile pine 3.91 under solaris 2.3 and g cc Date: 19 Oct 1994 14:37:21 -0500 Message-Id: <383shh$dg6@ux.cs.niu.edu> References: In creed@fse.ulaval.ca (Carlos Reed) writes: >It can't compile pico and pine, with pine I get an error before making >the addresbook object. Yes. It is a pain. The authors seem to have the insane idea that one can #include a few system header files, then #define const (i.e. redefine 'const' to the empty string), and finally #include other header files. The compiler didn't like the type incompatibilities that this introduced. >Does any body had experienced this problem, is there any work orund to >compile it under solaris 2.3 and gcc ? Here are the changes I made: In order to build the system, I used the command: ./build sol CC=gcc LDCC=gcc OPTIMIZE=-O DEBUG= But, before doing that, I made the following code changes: [I also made an additional change to redefine the location of the 'active' file] --- 1.1 1994/10/12 21:26:06 +++ pine/osdep/os-sv4.h 1994/10/12 21:27:34 @@ -187,7 +187,7 @@ /*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/ /* #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ -#define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ +/* #define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ /*------ If our compiler doesn't understand type void ------------------*/ /* #define void char /* no void in compiler */ @@ -245,8 +245,8 @@ /*-------------- qsort argument type -----------------------------------*/ -/* #define QSType void /* qsort arg is of type void * */ -#define QSType char /* qsort arg is of type char * */ +#define QSType void /* qsort arg is of type void * */ +/* #define QSType char /* qsort arg is of type char * */ --- 1.1 1994/10/12 22:01:08 +++ pine/headers.h 1994/10/12 22:01:37 @@ -72,7 +72,7 @@ #include "os.h" #ifndef ANSI -#define const /* For mail.h */ +/* #define const /* For mail.h */ #endif #include "../c-client/mail.h" #include "../c-client/osdep.h" --- 1.1 1994/10/12 21:50:41 +++ imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile 1994/10/12 21:51:08 @@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ sol: # Solaris $(MAKE) mtest OS=sv4 EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ - RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ + RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-O $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ RANLIB=true LDFLAGS="-lsocket -lnsl -lgen" ssn: # Secure SUN-OS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 13:23:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13116; Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:23:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02382; Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:10:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02372; Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:10:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxh6A-00000HC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 12:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: khaley@nova.gmi.edu (Kevin Haley) Subject: Local Printing Problems with Pine Date: 19 Oct 94 19:39:40 GMT Message-Id: I have a question, I hope someone here will know the answer. We have Pine 3.89 installed and running on a SunOS Unix system. Pine allows the user to print an e-mail message to a local printer, apparently this can be done via modem. A user is logged into our system via modem, specifies the proper settings in Pine for a local print, and tries to dump an e-mail message to his local printer attached to his PC. The first screen is printed fine, but the remaining message is printed as a bunch of jarbled characters. So, my question is: has anyone encountered this before? Does anyone know of a solution? Any replies to either this group or through e-mail would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kevin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 15:51:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20672; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:51:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02022; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:45:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02016; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:45:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxjUe-00000MC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgoodric@mbi.moody.edu (James C. Goodrich) Subject: News on SMTP Servor Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:57:04 GMT Message-Id: Using the PC-PINE 3.91....The program doesn't pick up the mail from my SMTP servor. The servor doesn't have IMAP support so I'm trying to access with any route I can but so far have not been successful. I've tried a different name-path to point the program to my inbox (that is the same as my name- alas no luck) Also, the program does not ask for my ID when I first enter. any help will be appreciated. Jim Goodrich From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:08:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25032; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:08:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07670; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:00:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07664; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:00:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxkb3-00000OC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 16:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: incoming folders/saved folders question Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:06:07 -0700 Message-Id: References: <380mv1$f50@plato.simons-rock.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <380mv1$f50@plato.simons-rock.edu> A "read-message-folder" attribute is one of many that would be nice to attach to each incoming folder.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 18 Oct 1994, Daniel Drucker wrote: > Date: 18 OCT 1994 10:43:45 -0400 > From: Daniel Drucker > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: incoming folders/saved folders question > > > I would like Pine to have mail/alb-old be my DEFAULT folder to move > read mail from incoming/alb. I played with folder-collections=, but > that doesn't seem to do anything. > > (I have procmail sending all my mail from a mailing list called 'alb' > into ~/incoming/alb) > > Daniel Drucker > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:40:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26482; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:40:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04855; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:26:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04849; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:26:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxl3R-00000LC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjg@humansyn.com (Joseph J. Greenberg) Subject: setting up PC-PINE Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:42:09 Eastern Message-Id: I am a neophyte pine user, at least on pc. I am trying to set up pc-pine to be used under trumpet winsock over a slip dial up connection. Can anybody explain to me in some detail (perhaps via mail, although not necessary) what I need to know to set this thing up, and how to do it. Thanks. Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:43:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26642; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:43:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08642; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:31:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08615; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:30:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxl6z-00000dC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjg@humansyn.com (Joseph J. Greenberg) Subject: from: field customization Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:45:37 Eastern Message-Id: I have found, in the .pinerc, the entry to specify the domain that I want to be used in the from field. However, I have been unable to find an entry or mention of a way to edit the userid (the part before the @). How is this done in pine (unix version, not pc version)? Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:43:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26650; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:43:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04962; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:30:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04956; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:30:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxl5I-00000aC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Subject: Re: PINE 3.90 surport receipt? Message-Id: Date: 18 Oct 94 20:14:05 GMT References: <37voki$eeh@ccnet.ccnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <37voki$eeh@ccnet.ccnet.com> You can add any extra headers you want via the customized-hdrs list in the Setup/Config screen... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 17 Oct 1994, U WISH 2 NO wrote: > Date: 17 OCT 1994 23:06:10 -0700 > From: U WISH 2 NO > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PINE 3.90 surport receipt? > > I remember that I saw a message on this newsgroup said that the new > version of Pine (3.90+) will add a function like Return-Receipt like > in ELM. I was thinking how do I do it? I like PINE a lot but without > the Return-Receipt function, I rather stay with ELM. > Thanx for you info. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:44:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26736; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:44:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08613; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:30:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08607; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:30:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxl4n-00000cC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Subject: Re: local news server Message-Id: Date: 18 Oct 94 20:09:29 GMT References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Either approach would work, with advantages and disadvantages for each. If you take the shared-mailbox approach, I would seriously investigate using tmail as your delivery agent and Tenex format mailboxes. This will permit multiple users at the same time without fighting for the read/write lock. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 16 Oct 1994, Donald Douglas Jolley wrote: > Date: 16 OCT 1994 16:19:19 -0700 > From: Donald Douglas Jolley > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: local news server > > I just posted an article inquiring into the best way to set up a > discussion group among users on a system consisting of a Linux > server with pc workstations running WfWG and pc-pine. No sooner > had I posted the message than it occurred to me that perhaps I > could capitalize on the fact that pine is a news reader as well > as a mail reader. It occurred to me that perhaps I could make the > Linux box into a local news server and that would be a way of > implementing my local discussion groups. Of course, I have no > idea what would be involved. However, I would sure like to know > whether others think this is feasible. If it is considered feasible, > any comments on how to proceed would also be appreciated. > > Thanks for any help. > > ... doug > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key > djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:55:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26965; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:55:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08883; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:45:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08877; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:45:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxlHb-00000xC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gunther Anderson Subject: POP3 daemon truncates messages Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:17:52 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 One of my users just noticed that the POP3 daemon (which is the only one anyone here is using) that comes with the IMAP package in Pine truncates the last few characters off the end of a message. This isn't so bad by itself, but if the last few characters happens to be the "\n}\n" at the end of a shell script or something, it makes for somebody's extra work. I pulled my old 3.90 code out of someone else's closet, and demonstrated the problem exists there, too. I don't quite know where to look in the ipop3d.c source, but I think there might be troubles in blat(). Anyone ever seen and/or treated this malady? I am using MMDF mailboxes on a SCO 3.2.4.2 system, so maybe there's another weirdness with the four ^A's at the beginning of the message or somesuch nonsense. No - wait a second, here's the code, right in blat(): puts ("\015"); /* output newline instead of last 2 chars */ return ++ret; Anyone want to tell me why? I'm going to pull it myself right now, but I'd like to know what I'm breaking when I do. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 17:56:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27046; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:56:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05311; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:45:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05305; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:45:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxlFU-00000wC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Subject: Re: Meaning of .pine-debug files? Message-Id: Date: 18 Oct 94 20:16:09 GMT References: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> The .pine-debug file is *always* created unless you suppress it with -d0. It is not any indication of a problem. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 18 Oct 1994, Matti Poldoja wrote: > Date: 18 OCT 1994 10:04:37 GMT > From: Matti Poldoja > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Meaning of .pine-debug files? > > I am new to the requirements of unix networks in providing services to other > users and have currently built pine 3.91 to run on a sunos unix platform. The > system is stand-alone, that is not connected to the rest of the world, and I > am trying to run pine without getting into the intricacies of imapd and > whatever that involves. At this point pine seems to be doing the job of > delivering the mail amongst all users, but regardless of whether mail is sent > or not, every time pine is exited by any user a .pine-debug file is created. I > know I can suppress the creation of these files by invoking pine with the -d0 > option but this is not kosher with me - I prefer to get to the root of the > problem and eliminate the creation of .pine-debug files legitimately. The > problem is I cannot "see" how to correct the problem from examining the > .pine-debug file. > > I have included a typical .pine-debug response (minus a few option settings > which do not seem important to the problem, in order to save space): > > Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 > Sat Oct 15 03:53:25 1994 > > reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" > Read 5148 characters: > reading_pinerc "/home/root/.pinerc" > Read 5453 characters: > reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" > Open failed: No such file or directory > ======= Current_val options set ======= > inbox-path : inbox > folder-collections : mail/[] > default-fcc : sent-mail > postponed-folder : postponed-msgs > mail-directory : mail > signature-file : .signature > address-book : .addressbook > > (options deleted)... > > ======= Command_line_val options set ======= > ======= User_val options set (/home/root/.pinerc) ======= > feature-list : signature-at-bottom > last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 > last-version-used : 3.91 > ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= > inbox-path : inbox > default-fcc : sent-mail > postponed-folder : postponed-msgs > mail-directory : mail > > (options deleted)... > > ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= > ========== Feature settings ========== > > (settings deleted)... > > Userid: root > Fullname: "Operator" > User domain name being used "" > Local Domain name being used "sun2" > Host name being used "sun2" > Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"sun2" > Context mail/[] type: LOCAL > new win size -----<24 80>------ > Terminal type: vt100 > Context mail/[] type: LOCAL > About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" > Opened folder "/usr/spool/mail/root" with 14 messages > Sorting by Arrival > IMAP 3:53 10/15 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/root/ > .pine-interrupted-mail > - mailcap_free - > > ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- > > ---- QUIT SCREEN ---- > Want_to read: y (121) > expunge and close mail stream "/usr/spool/mail/root" > about to end_tty_driver > - completely_done_with_adrbks - > - mailcap_free - > > Can someone please help me with what needs to be done. Thanks in advance, > > Matti. > -- > Matti Poldoja | A short sig. > mattip@werple.apana.org.au | is a good sig. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 20:14:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01618; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:14:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07697; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:09:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07691; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:09:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxnaG-00000dC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 19:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kilty@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kathleen richards) Subject: mailing list control Date: 19 Oct 1994 18:38:14 GMT Message-Id: <383p2m$in8@galaxy.ucr.edu> Is there a way to have pine take letters coming in from a particular mailing list (all the "from" lines would be the same) and stick them into a folder of their own instead of inbox? This is getting out of hand! Thank you.... -- kathleen richards kilty@ucrengr.ucr.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 20:53:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02740; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:53:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08253; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:40:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from MAIL.BARRNET.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08247; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:40:54 -0700 Received: from nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us by mail.barrnet.net (5.67/1.37) id AA13997; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:40:50 -0700 Received: by nueva1.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.67b/15.5+ECS 3.3+Nueva 0.9) id AA26845; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:40:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexei Kosut To: kathleen richards Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: mailing list control In-Reply-To: <383p2m$in8@galaxy.ucr.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Oct 1994, kathleen richards wrote: > Is there a way to have pine take letters coming in from a particular > mailing list (all the "from" lines would be the same) and stick them > into a folder of their own instead of inbox? This is getting out of > hand! Thank you.... try using the elm "filter" command. It works pretty well with pine, but is kinda complicated... have fun. The elm faq (ftp.uu.net:/networking/mail/elm/Elm-FAQ.Z) has a bunch of detail on setting it up, look there. += Alexei Kosut == Pass the Prozac, please =+ | __ ___ ___ __ ___ __ // _____________________________________| | / / / _// _// / / _// | // "Computer viruses are the only life | | / /_ / _ / _// /_ / _ / / // form wholly created by humans... Talk | | /___//__//_/ /___//__//_/_| // about creating life in our own image." | += http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ ========= Stephen W. Hawking =+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 21:11:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03110; Wed, 19 Oct 94 21:11:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11844; Wed, 19 Oct 94 21:04:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11838; Wed, 19 Oct 94 21:04:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxoTW-00000QC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: POP3 daemon truncates messages Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:41:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Not so fast!! The code in ipop3d is that way because the POP3 protocol insists that a message must be an integral number of *lines*. The code ensures that the last two bytes are CR LF. If the last two bytes are anything else, then the POP3 client will not see the end of session marker and the session will *hang*. If a CR LF is added, then the byte count (required by the POP3 protocol) will be incorrect *and* you'll have an extra newline in returned messages in the normal case. Note that by the time the text gets to blat(), newlines are normalized to the CR LF format. It is theoretically possible in the Tenex and MTX formats for messages to be a non-integral number of lines; that is, for a message to end with something other than a newline. Normally, this does not happen. It should be impossible in the MMDF format for a message to be a non-integral number of lines. If this is happening, then something is wrong with the message size calculation in MMDF format. In other words, the bug is in the mmdf driver, *NOT* in ipop3d. Please send me a sample message which demonstrates this problem as a Pine attachment, and I will fix the bug. On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > One of my users just noticed that the POP3 daemon (which is the only one > anyone here is using) that comes with the IMAP package in Pine truncates > the last few characters off the end of a message. This isn't so bad by > itself, but if the last few characters happens to be the "\n}\n" at the > end of a shell script or something, it makes for somebody's extra work. I > pulled my old 3.90 code out of someone else's closet, and demonstrated the > problem exists there, too. > > I don't quite know where to look in the ipop3d.c source, but I think > there might be troubles in blat(). Anyone ever seen and/or treated this > malady? I am using MMDF mailboxes on a SCO 3.2.4.2 system, so maybe > there's another weirdness with the four ^A's at the beginning of the > message or somesuch nonsense. > > No - wait a second, here's the code, right in blat(): > > puts ("\015"); /* output newline instead of last 2 chars */ > return ++ret; > > Anyone want to tell me why? I'm going to pull it myself right now, but > I'd like to know what I'm breaking when I do. > > Gunther Anderson > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 19 23:36:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06083; Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:36:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10509; Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:30:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10503; Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:30:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxqjV-00000mC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) Subject: Re: Can't compile pine 3.91 under solaris 2.3 and g cc Date: 19 Oct 1994 13:46:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3840ip$h32@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> References: In article , creed@fse.ulaval.ca (Carlos Reed) writes: >It can't compile pico and pine, with pine I get an error before making >the addresbook object. > >Does any body had experienced this problem, is there any work orund to >compile it under solaris 2.3 and gcc ? Yeah. I ended up creating a new target called slg (SoLaris Gcc) that does all the right things. I'll try and get a patch put together that I'll post. George -- George Lindholm phone: (604) 822-4375 University Computing Services, UBC fax: (604) 822-5116 6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, B.C., Canada internet: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca V6T 1Z2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 00:30:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07191; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:30:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11193; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:22:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11187; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:22:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxrPd-00000uC; Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adrenlin@io.org (Nuno Serrenho) Subject: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? Date: 19 Oct 1994 15:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <383tlk$duk@ionews.io.org> Alright, here's the thing, I'm on a couple of mailing lists (one of which gets over 100 messages/day) so I have to seperate my mail into different folders using procmail. I've got that part to work. Now, in Pine you're supposed to be able to have different incoming folders (and you can use to go between them) but I can't figure out how to use this option. Can anyone help? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 00:41:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07460; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:41:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11375; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:35:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11369; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:35:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxrmy-00000qC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Travis Dawson Subject: Catchup Feature Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:05:31 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to know if there is a key combo that is similar to catchup in tin. I have recently convinced my University to push pine 3.91 as its main e-mail platform and I now am getting swamped with questions. Please help i want to keep this program. catchup in tin marks all articles in a newsgroup as read and moves on to the next group. ========================================================================== The Shadow Reigns ( \\|// ) bc70012@ Supreme ) (o o) ( bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu ------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 00:56:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07881; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:56:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14778; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:50:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14772; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:50:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxs1J-00000DC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 00:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: How do I seen only newsgroups with NEW news? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:02:41 GMT pine newbie question.. when I go to look at my news collection, how do I tell which newsgroups have NEW news to read? thanks Eric From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 02:18:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10058; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:18:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12761; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12755; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxtCE-00000qC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Incorporating CSO into Pine addressbooks Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:57:51 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Some form of API hook or directory service support is planned, but we have not really decided which of several possible approaches to take with it yet. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Steve Howie wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 OCT 1994 14:27:06 GMT > From: Steve Howie > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Incorporating CSO into Pine addressbooks > > Hi, > > We would like to add the following functionality to the Pine3.91 client: > > We currently use a custon written CSO nameserver client, and would like > to incorporate it into the addressbook routines to do the following: > > In addition to allowing the user to Select an email address from the > addressbook and insert this into the To: field when composing, we'd like > to be able to extract similar information from a CSO query using the > above-mentioned CSO client. The user would optionally be able to insert > this information into the addressbook. > > I've had a look at the addressbook code and, although it's not > impossible, will require a fair bit of coding. I was fortunate enough to > be told by our Pine expert that I should target this for Pine3.91 > (excellent release, incidently!), rather than our current Pine3.89 - the > addressbook code is substantially re-written in 3.91 :) > > Questions: > > 1. Anyone done this before > 2. Are there any API hooks planned for Pine to allow this sort of thing? > > We'd hate to re-invent the wheel or make this more difficult than it > should be. > > Any hints appreciated, > > Scotty > -- > ================================================================= > Steve Howie Email: showie@uoguelph.ca > NetNews and Gopher Admin. Phone: (519) 824-4120 x2556 > Computing and Communications Svcs. Fax: (519) 763-6143 > University of Guelph > > If it's not Scottish its CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP > ================================================================= > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 03:45:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12137; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:45:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13839; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:36:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13831; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:36:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxuYv-00000sC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jal@summit.novell.com (J. A. Lind) Subject: Re: Building PINE under UnixWare Date: 19 Oct 1994 22:41:54 GMT Message-Id: <3847bi$ikl@bird.summit.novell.com> References: Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.on.ca) wrote: : I've recently got my hands on Pine 3.90, after being urged by some : people I trust to try it instead of 'elm'. : It won't build onder Novell UnixWare 1.1, using the 'sv4' options to : build. : After saying the compiler couldn't handle ANSI, the build process barfed. : The 'pico' editor compiles and runs fine, but 'pine' itself won't. : Has anyone done the build for UnixWare? Does the recently-released 3.91 : release of Pine solve any of these problems? Moreover, why is the SVR4 : compiler considered non-ANSI? And does this thing know I don't use : sendmail? Don't know. : If changes are small, just send 'diff's or the files that are changed. I : could probably track down the stuff myself, but why re-invent wheels? : Any help is appreciated. : What follows is the result of running 'sh build sv4' on the Pine source. : Warnings about non-ANSI semantics of ">" or "/" in code have been removed: But I which you hadn't removed the ERROR messages... Oh well. <<>> Here's a set of changes that I found necessary to make to get pine to build. They may not be the minimal set necessary, as I went down a few blind alleys. I did no testing of the resulting pine binary other than seeing that it ran. Jeff Lind Unix Systems Group, Novell, Inc. jal@summit.novell.com -------------------------- cp imap/NON-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.c imap/ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.c cp imap/NON-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h imap/ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h different ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile different ./imap/Makefile different ./pine/osdep/os-sv4.h diff of ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 205c205 < CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true \ --- > CFLAGS="-g -DANSI $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true \ diff of ./imap/Makefile in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 48c48 < a32 aix bsi d-g lnx mnt neb nxt osf sco sgi: --- > a32 aix bsi d-g lnx mnt neb nxt osf sco sgi sv4: 51c51 < bsd cvx dyn hpp isc ptx pyr s40 sol ssn sun sv4 ult vul: --- > bsd cvx dyn hpp isc ptx pyr s40 sol ssn sun ult vul: diff of ./pine/osdep/os-sv4.h in pine3.90 and Npine3.90 188c188 < /* #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ --- > #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ 190c190 < #define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ --- > /*#define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 03:45:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12158; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:45:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17122; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:35:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17116; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:35:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxuah-00000tC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 03:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: from: field customization Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:52:05 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You can make the from editable by recompiling Pine with the ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM definition uncommented in pine/osdep/os-???.h. There is no individual setting for user-id in Unix Pine. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Joseph J. Greenberg wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 OCT 1994 12:45:37 EASTERN > From: Joseph J. Greenberg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: from: field customization > > I have found, in the .pinerc, the entry to specify the domain that I want to > be used in the from field. However, I have been unable to find an entry or > mention of a way to edit the userid (the part before the @). How is this done > in pine (unix version, not pc version)? > Joe > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 07:19:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17465; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:19:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20287; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:08:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20281; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:08:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qxxp7-00000qC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 06:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rachlin@panix.com (Robert Rachlin) Subject: Copy of Release Notes Date: 20 Oct 1994 08:52:24 -0400 Message-Id: <385p68$rq7@panix.com> When the "Release Notes" are called up with the "R" command from the main menu, I'd like to be able to download them to my home directory. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an "Export" or "Save" command available during display of the Release Notes. I realize that the "Y" command will work and I can print the Release Notes out. But I want to "save" rather than "print" them. Any suggestions? Thx.! -- ________________________________________________________________________ | Robert D. Rachlin Downs Rachlin & Martin Burlington, VT 05402-0190 | | rachlin@panix.com Compuserve: 72420,3350 MCI: 583-3818 | |................Tel: 802 863 2375 Fax: 802 863 2573..................| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 08:22:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20031; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:22:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21369; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:08:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21363; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:08:30 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16082; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:07:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Travis Dawson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Catchup Feature In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Travis Dawson wrote: > I would like to know if there is a key combo that is similar to > catchup in tin. I have recently convinced my University to push pine 3.91 > as its main e-mail platform and I now am getting swamped with questions. > Please help i want to keep this program. >From the online help (? on Main Menu), in the section on READING NEWS: A frequent operation in news-reading is "catching up"... that is, getting rid of all the messages in the news group so that you can "start fresh". At the moment, the easiest way to do this in Pine is via the Select command. You would enter the following four keystrokes: ;aad Note that the "enable-aggregate-command-set" feature must be enabled before you can use the Select command. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 08:30:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20636; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:30:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18429; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:17:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18423; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:17:30 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16346; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:17:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Eric Thompson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do I seen only newsgroups with NEW news? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > pine newbie question.. when I go to look at my news collection, > how do I tell which newsgroups have NEW news to read? >From the Folder List it is currently impossible to tell (that feature awaits IMAP4/Pine4.xx). However, if you read a newsgroup, then use TAB to proceed to the next one, TAB will skip any newsgroups without new messages. Note 1: In news, "NEW" is defined as a message that arrived since the last one you marked as Deleted (or in other newsreaders, viewed once). Note 2: Two features you might want to set: auto-open-next-unread news-approximates-new-status <-- only available in 3.91 See the Setup/Config screen help for more details. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 09:37:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24900; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:37:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20733; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:31:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20727; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:31:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy06O-00000oC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: n7044623@rowlf.cc.wwu.edu (Gary Burlingame) Subject: ^y in header changes Fcc Message-Id: Date: 20 Oct 94 14:47:27 GMT I changed my Fcc, and then hid the rich header. When I had the cursor over the name field, I hit ^v, and the Fcc which wasn't showing, showed up, and was changed to sent-mail. This is pine 3.91. This is not desirable. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 11:28:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00708; Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:28:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26831; Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:21:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26823; Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:21:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy1qJ-00000qC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Cordonsky Subject: install pine under ISC 3.2 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:00:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have problems with installation of pine under ISC 3.2, ln in my system has no "-s" switch. What shall I do? Thank you. Michael Cordonsky, Yerevan Physics Institute. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 13:04:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05220; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:04:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25689; Thu, 20 Oct 94 12:50:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25676; Thu, 20 Oct 94 12:50:43 -0700 Via: uk.ac.durham; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:32:05 +0100 Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by durham.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:33:09 +0100 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by venus.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:32:50 BST Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:32:43 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Cornelius To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Changes to the mail-directory variable in 3.91 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2998 On 14th October, Richard Jackson wrote: > Has anyone seen the following when a new user sends email? > Folder "sent-mail" in doesn't exist. Create? Y <= ENTER Y > [Can't create mailbox Mail/sent-mail: No such file or directory] > This occurs on a DEC Alpha system running OSF/1 3.0. mail-directory > is set to Mail. If I manually create ~/Mail, then the error condition > does not exist. For an unknown reason, pine does not create ~/Mail. On 14th October, Ken Weaverling replied: > Yes, go into pine/os.h and look for and change the line... > #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "mail" > to > #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "Mail" > It seems like defining the mail directory in the global pine.conf is not > enough. But, surely it was enough in 3.90. Hasn't this changed in 3.91? For a long time (since 3.84?), we have had a pine.conf file that includes: folder-collections=Mail/[] mail-directory=Mail In the .pine-debug1 file, I now see: ========== Current_val options set ========== ... mail-directory : mail ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= ... mail-directory : mail whereas in 3.90 it used to be: ========== Current_val options set ========== ... mail-directory : Mail ========== Global_val (pine.conf) options set ========== ... mail-directory : Mail But looking at the code of Pine I'm a little puzzled: I can't find what is causing this change. This issue hit us last Monday morning just a few hours after we released Pine 3.91. At the same time as the problem was reported to me, Richard's message arrived (which was comforting!). We have a shell script to start Pine and so (for a quick fix) I modified the script to create ~/Mail if it does not already exist. I'm now wondering what the more permanent fix should be. The version of Pine that we use is also mounted by other departments. If (as in 3.90) it is possible to configure the user's default mail-folders directory in the pine.conf file, each department can make its own decision on this topic. If I am forced in 3.91 to change DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY, it will also determine the setting for other departments. For the record, I don't know whether in practice this is really a problem. Help please. Can someone from the Pine Team indicate what I should be doing. In what situations will Pine automatically create a mail or Mail directory? In what situations will Pine assume it has already been created? Is it true that any setting of mail-directory in the pine.conf file is now ignored? Is it still true that a user setting mail-directory in the .pinerc file has some effect? Thanks. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 13:24:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05997; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:24:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26588; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:17:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26582; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:17:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy3fB-00000qC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Meaning of .pine-debug files? Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:47:16 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> On 18 Oct 1994, Matti Poldoja wrote: > know I can suppress the creation of these files by invoking pine with the -d0 > option but this is not kosher with me - I prefer to get to the root of the > problem and eliminate the creation of .pine-debug files legitimately. The > problem is I cannot "see" how to correct the problem from examining the > .pine-debug file. What problem? The .pine-debug files aren't created because you have a problem; they're created every time you run Pine just because. In case something does go wrong. Even if there isn't the teensy weensyest little problem with your Pine session, then a .pine-debug file will be created. They're just a precaution. So you have no need to worry. If you don't want the .pine-debug files to be created, then like you say, you can run pine -d0. Or this can be set in pine/osdep/os-xxx.h so that they aren't created for any user by default. Hope this helps! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 15:45:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12493; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:45:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03385; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:38:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03379; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:38:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy5nZ-000010C; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dpirl@crl.crl.com (Donald Pirl) Subject: Bug (?) Deleting Incoming Message Folders in Pine 3.91 Message-Id: Date: 19 Oct 94 13:30:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am unable to delete junk "Incoming Message Folders" from the Pine 3.91 "List folders" screen. The folder name will delete only for the current session, but is back if I exit Pine and return. The unix file is gone however, so if I try to delete it the second time, I get the message that the folder does not exist. However if I try to create a folder with that name Pine tells me that the folder can not be created because it _does_ already exist. Talk about schizophrenic! If I delete the folders in my .pinerc, this has no effect and the names are magically back in my .pinerc file after I again enter and exit Pine. Is this a bug or is there a way out? --Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 15:52:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12894; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:52:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00676; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00670; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy5yx-000014C; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Macgician@monroe.ocis.temple.edu (Macgician!) Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) Message-Id: Date: 19 Oct 94 13:29:28 GMT References: <37rqrq$o0r@panix.com> <37s4uo$o8q@panix.com> In article <37s4uo$o8q@panix.com>, gordy@panix.com (uh..Clem) wrote: + Well, here's a portion of _my_ ~/.elm/filter-rules: + + if (to contains "CARR-L") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/carr-l" + if (to contains "net-happenings") then save "/users/gordy/Mail/hap" Right it works for me too.. But I was wondering if I could have two rules for the same mail. For ex: # Rule which will save and then forward it to someone else at the sametime. if (From contains gordy@panix.com") save "/usr/staff/me/mail/gordy" then forward "help" Any pointers...to get around this is highly appreciated. -- @|\@@ Macgician@monroe.temple.edu http://monroe.temple.edu - @@@@ These views are Orders in Pride Land, where no Hyenas live. /7 @@@@ Mophusa: Everything that the light touches is mine. / @@@@@@ Simbha : Everything, hmmm..what about the Dark Side. \-' @@@@@@@@`-________________ -@@@@@@@@@ Lion King / \ _____/ /_ ______/ |_____- /,________/ `-.___/,__________-----_) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 16:44:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15861; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:44:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04905; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:37:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04897; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:37:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy6jq-000016C; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atwoodj@ada.CS.ORST.EDU (John Atwood) Subject: How can I get pico to recognize PgUp, PgDn? Date: 20 Oct 1994 18:39:58 GMT Message-Id: <386dhu$8ue@engr.orst.edu> I'm using Pico on Unix (HP-UX). How can I teach pico to understand the Page Forward (Next), Page Back (Prev) keys on my keyboard? Is it possible? The man page doesn't address this. Any help appreciated, John Atwood -- _________________________________________________________________ Office phone: 503-737-5583 (Batcheller 349);home: 503-757-8772 Office mail: 303 Dearborn Hall, OSU, Corvallis, OR 97331 _________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 16:54:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16700; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:54:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02180; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:45:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from MAIL.BARRNET.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02174; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:45:43 -0700 Received: from nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us by mail.barrnet.net (5.67/1.37) id AA17980; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:45:41 -0700 Received: by nueva1.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.67b/15.5+ECS 3.3+Nueva 0.9) id AA04341; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:45:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexei Kosut To: Macgician! Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Multiple mailbox question (yet again) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Oct 1994, Macgician! wrote: > But I was wondering if I could have two rules for the same mail. For ex: To quote from the Elm FAQ (ftp.uu.net:/networking/mail/elm/Elm-FAQ.Z): 3.10 How do I do multiple actions for one rule? You can't do that directly in the filter-rules file. You have to write a shell script or program that does what you want, and then call it with the execute or executec action. += Alexei Kosut == Pass the Prozac, please =+ | __ ___ ___ __ ___ __ // _____________________________________| | / / / _// _// / / _// | // "Computer viruses are the only life | | / /_ / _ / _// /_ / _ / / // form wholly created by humans... Talk | | /___//__//_/ /___//__//_/_| // about creating life in our own image." | += http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ ========= Stephen W. Hawking =+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 19:46:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22608; Thu, 20 Oct 94 19:46:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05657; Thu, 20 Oct 94 19:43:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05645; Thu, 20 Oct 94 19:43:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qy9cz-00001BC; Thu, 20 Oct 94 19:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: markstep Subject: WANTED: .addressbook to .mailrc converter Date: 20 Oct 1994 20:19:25 GMT Message-Id: <386jcd$qfv@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Anyone got a converter that will transfer a .addressbook file to a .mailrc? appreciate it greatly...thanx! markstep@chgdss10.chgd.med.umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 20:32:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23563; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:32:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09082; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:28:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09076; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:28:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyAKd-000018C; Thu, 20 Oct 94 20:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Question: Can't expunge messages because folder is in use Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 23:02:36 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Oct20.184728.22744@midway.uchicago.edu> Rufus Nagel (nage@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote: : I have a quick question. I interupted a Pine session with ctrl-Z....now : every time I use pine, I cannot expunge my messages because it thinks the : folder is in use. (Yes I did kill the process, logout and everything) In the same directory as you find the folder, you will find a file named folder-name.lock. Remove it. This is how Pine handles locking notification. If it finds this file, it knows another process has it locked, and it can go looking for that process and ask it politely to relinquish the lock. If there is no process identifiable, it just waits for five minutes until it overrides the lock by force. At least, it does this on the INBOX. It sounds like its not doing that for your folder, but I don't know the code well enough to know if it should. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 20 22:37:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26786; Thu, 20 Oct 94 22:37:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08554; Thu, 20 Oct 94 22:33:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08548; Thu, 20 Oct 94 22:33:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyBfS-000018C; Thu, 20 Oct 94 21:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tie@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu (Tim Zhang) Subject: A bug? Binary Box is Corrupted.... Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:41:42 GMT Hello, everyone. PINE is such a nice email program, I love it! I installed it under our ULTRIX system yesterday ans works fine except that when I tried to use my old email program MSG and I received the following message: The binary box is corrupted rm /u/tie/._.mail and retry msg So that means I could not use two mail programs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 00:34:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29125; Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:34:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12707; Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:30:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12701; Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:30:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyE6x-00001HC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawless@bur.geog.ucsb.edu (Michael Lawless) Subject: PGP 2.6 and Pine 3.91 Date: 20 Oct 1994 20:52:59 GMT Message-Id: <386lbb$s0r@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Would someone please post (or re-post as the case may be) a pine script for using PGP? I think I've seen them before in this group, but on looking back, I can't find any. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lawless |Remote Sensing Research Unit lawless@geog.ucsb.edu |Geography Department, UCSB |Santa Barbara CA, 93106 --------------------------------------------------------------- "If we knew what the hell we were doing, it wouldn't be called RESEARCH" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQBtAy6cMUoAAAEDAKbpkQa9zQOnykFKAcAO6J1ZO8N6yZcAiIS6Vg8/aTI44NmO 9Gt1p0a4M+6Wpy5PMlnZPjqlH6JSK8bqPApaVcLMEnmP5Vy7k+uLzExPP6MEptBH uWBcXF1qIZRU0zEjmQAFEbQqTWljaGFlbCBKLiBMYXdsZXNzIDxsYXdsZXNzQGdl b2cudWNzYi5lZHU+ =yV8M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 02:04:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01504; Fri, 21 Oct 94 02:04:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11411; Fri, 21 Oct 94 02:00:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11405; Fri, 21 Oct 94 02:00:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyFPr-00001LC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dave@origma.newcastle.edu.au (David M. Williams) Subject: Re: Meaning of .pine-debug files? Date: 19 Oct 1994 02:04:56 GMT Message-Id: <381us8$t8t@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> References: <3806jl$j7n@eplet.apana.org.au> Matti Poldoja (mattip@werple.apana.org.au) wrote: : I am new to the requirements of unix networks in providing services to other : users and have currently built pine 3.91 to run on a sunos unix platform. The : system is stand-alone, that is not connected to the rest of the world, and I : am trying to run pine without getting into the intricacies of imapd and : whatever that involves. At this point pine seems to be doing the job of : delivering the mail amongst all users, but regardless of whether mail is sent : or not, every time pine is exited by any user a .pine-debug file is created. I : know I can suppress the creation of these files by invoking pine with the -d0 : option but this is not kosher with me - I prefer to get to the root of the : problem and eliminate the creation of .pine-debug files legitimately. The : problem is I cannot "see" how to correct the problem from examining the : .pine-debug file. You don't need to examine the .pine-debug file. Just go into the pine3.91/pine directory (i.e., where the pine source code resides) and edit the makefile appropriate to your system (e.g. makefile.sun4 for SunOS 4.1). In this file is a line something like DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG This line contains the DEBUG C pre-processor macro which turns debugging on. To get rid of debugging and thus the .pine-debug files, you need to change this line like so - DEBUG= #-g -DDEBUG and then rebuild pine. .////. .// David M. Williams dave@maths.newcastle.edu.au o:::::::::/// System Manager, University of Newcastle >::::::::::\\\ " Amazing love! How could it be '\\\\\' \\ that thou oh God shouldst die for me!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 05:59:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07723; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:59:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17330; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:54:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17323; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:54:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyJAg-00001AC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Tennant Subject: NFS mailbox Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:45:01 GMT Hi, I'm trying to set up pine so I can read mail going into /usr/mail on a server attached to this machine via NFS. I can't seem to configure pine to do this, and keep getting "cannot open inbox..." error messages. The pwd of the inbox would be something like /net/host/usr/mail Any ideas?? cheers, Mike. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 06:03:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07865; Fri, 21 Oct 94 06:03:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15057; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:59:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15051; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:59:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyJG7-00001FC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 05:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andy@franklin.uga.edu (Andrew Seabolt) Subject: Incomplete folder list in 3.91 pcpine for Winsock ... Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 08:09:26 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Hey, Started having a problem with seeing all the folders in one of my folder collections after installing PINE. I cannot see all the folders in the collection. Is this a noted "bug/feature"? Thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 15:42:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03927; Fri, 21 Oct 94 15:42:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00495; Fri, 21 Oct 94 15:35:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00487; Fri, 21 Oct 94 15:35:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qySFj-00001IC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 15:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nage@ellis.uchicago.edu (Rufus Nagel) Subject: Re: Question: Can't expunge messages because folder is in use Message-Id: <1994Oct21.161457.23377@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <1994Oct20.184728.22744@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:14:57 GMT In article gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) writes: >Rufus Nagel (nage@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote: >: I have a quick question. I interupted a Pine session with ctrl-Z....now >: every time I use pine, I cannot expunge my messages because it thinks the >: folder is in use. (Yes I did kill the process, logout and everything) > >In the same directory as you find the folder, you will find a file named >folder-name.lock. Remove it. This is how Pine handles locking >notification. If it finds this file, it knows another process has it >locked, and it can go looking for that process and ask it politely to >relinquish the lock. If there is no process identifiable, it just waits >for five minutes until it overrides the lock by force. At least, it does >this on the INBOX. It sounds like its not doing that for your folder, >but I don't know the code well enough to know if it should. > >Gunther Anderson > I can't find any file, anywhere with the name "*.lock" I used the find command to do this...it is my INBOX that is locked. It is pine version 3.90 if that makes any difference... Rufus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 19:04:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11159; Fri, 21 Oct 94 19:04:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02969; Fri, 21 Oct 94 18:56:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02963; Fri, 21 Oct 94 18:56:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyVOB-00001KC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 18:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nobby@mead2.u.washington.edu (Martha "Cupcake" Rubin) Subject: Pine 3.91: after install, what can I delete? Date: 22 Oct 1994 00:48:41 GMT Message-Id: <389nh9$1hv@nntp1.u.washington.edu> What file/s can I remove from my directories after I've compiled Pine 3.91? It's HUGE and I'd like to get rid of as much as possible. Thanks for any help or information you can give! THIS IS A BORROWED ACCOUNT FOR POSTING. PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY TO: Dan LeGate dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Prodigy ID: FCSJ69A I'll also be able to see PUBLIC replies, but not PRIVATE replies to the name in the header. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 19:08:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11246; Fri, 21 Oct 94 19:08:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04608; Fri, 21 Oct 94 19:02:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04596; Fri, 21 Oct 94 19:02:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyVWG-00001LC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? Date: 20 Oct 1994 18:29:41 -0400 Message-Id: <386r0l$fpt@ionews.io.org> References: <383tlk$duk@ionews.io.org> In article <383tlk$duk@ionews.io.org>, Nuno Serrenho wrote: > >Alright, here's the thing, I'm on a couple of mailing lists (one of which >gets over 100 messages/day) so I have to seperate my mail into different >folders using procmail. I've got that part to work. Are you telling procmail to save messages into mailbox folders in your $HOME/mail/ directory? >Now, in Pine you're supposed to be able to have different incoming folders >(and you can use to go between them) but I can't figure out how to use >this option. Hit 'L' from the main menu or the mailbox index to bring up a list of your mailbox folders. Then use the arrow keys to select one and press Return to open it. It looks in your $HOME/mail/ directory, so make sure procmail is saving stuff in there. -- Brian Tao:: taob@io.org (Internex Online, 416-363-4151, 120 lines, v.32bis) ::::::::::: - - --===+ Home page URL = http://www.io.org/~taob/ +===-- - - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 21 22:08:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14598; Fri, 21 Oct 94 22:08:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05378; Fri, 21 Oct 94 22:01:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05372; Fri, 21 Oct 94 22:01:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyYGe-00001OC; Fri, 21 Oct 94 21:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donald Pirl Subject: Re: Bug (?) Deleting Incoming Message Folders in Pine 3.91 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:43:14 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I just want to keep this thread alive, because I'd really like an answer. Thanks for any help. On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Donald Pirl wrote: > > I am unable to delete junk "Incoming Message Folders" from the Pine 3.91 > "List folders" screen. The folder name will delete only for the current > session, but is back if I exit Pine and return. The unix file is gone > however, so if I try to delete it the second time, I get the message that > the folder does not exist. However if I try to create a folder with that > name Pine tells me that the folder can not be created because it _does_ > already exist. Talk about schizophrenic! If I delete the folders in my > .pinerc, this has no effect and the names are magically back in my .pinerc > file after I again enter and exit Pine. > > Is this a bug or is there a way out? > > --Don > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 00:32:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16984; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:32:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08537; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:27:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08531; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:26:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyaZl-00001YC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Reply-To field Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:32:53 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Adam Dace wrote: > Hi all! I was just wondering if someone out there knows how to create a > Reply-To: field in Pine. I've checked what docs I have, the manpage and > .pinerc but can't seem to find anything. ): Set Customized-Headers in the "S"etup, "C"onfig screen... --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 00:42:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17294; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:42:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07274; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:38:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07268; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:38:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyah4-00001aC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtw@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (James Thomsen Wong) Subject: Problem with PC-Pine 3.91 Configuration Date: 22 Oct 1994 05:10:35 GMT Message-Id: <38a6sb$j0o@agate.berkeley.edu> Dear netters, I'm trying to set up my PC Pine 3.91 from my home SLIP acct. I was trying to connect to uclink.berkeley.edu, in which this is where all my mails go to, but then it says something like: "Can't connect to uclink.berkeley.edu, 143 : Refused 10061" "No folders opened." Part of my Config is: user-domain = uclink smtp server = uclink inbox path = {uclink}INBOX folders-collection:*{uclink}mail/[] >From talking to the root of uclink, they don't have IMAP server and I think they recommend me connecting to POP server first then map that to Pine...I don't know how though. Can someone tell me what I did wrong in the config? All my mail folders, including inbox is in the mail directory in my home directory. Thanx and I appreciate your help! PS: Please e-mail me for suggestion. James ***************************************************************************** "When God created water, he used everything from H to O. --- Dollyism October 1994 ***************************************************************************** James Thomsen Wong Univ. of California, Berkeley o-<--< From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 01:02:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17881; Sat, 22 Oct 94 01:02:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08951; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:57:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08937; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:57:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyb1M-00001ZC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: econ04@ipruniv.cce.unipr.it Subject: Re: setting up PC-PINE Message-Id: <385lc1$q7m@sirio.cineca.it> Date: 20 Oct 94 11:47:13 GMT References: No, not via Email! I am interested to the intallation of PC-Pine, as I have a lot of problems . Thanks -- ========================================================================== Paolo Fabbri Tel. +39 (51) 902 403 Istituto di Scienze Economiche Fax +39 (51) 902 402 Universita' di Parma Email ECON04@IPRUNIV.CCE.UNIPR.IT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 02:22:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19628; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:22:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10091; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:17:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10085; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:17:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qycGi-00001aC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 01:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rsw@Glue.umd.edu (Randall S. Winchester) Subject: Re: Can't compile pine 3.91 under solaris 2.3 and g cc Message-Id: Date: 20 Oct 94 14:33:51 GMT References: <3840ip$h32@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3840ip$h32@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> I did not send this to the news group, yesterday when I replied, but if you use; CC="gcc -traditional" LDCC=gcc you should not have much of a problem with the build. I did not need to patch anything, except I just edited pi*/makefile.sol and c-client/Makefile by hand, but mostly because of other reasons. I am using Pine/Imapd with kerberos support. Randall On 19 Oct 1994, George Lindholm wrote: > > In article , creed@fse.ulaval.ca (Carlos Reed) writes: > >It can't compile pico and pine, with pine I get an error before making > >the addresbook object. > > > >Does any body had experienced this problem, is there any work orund to > >compile it under solaris 2.3 and gcc ? > > Yeah. I ended up creating a new target called slg (SoLaris Gcc) that does > all the right things. I'll try and get a patch put together that I'll post. > > George > > -- > George Lindholm phone: (604) 822-4375 > University Computing Services, UBC fax: (604) 822-5116 > 6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, B.C., Canada internet: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca > V6T 1Z2 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 02:22:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19643; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:22:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08663; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:17:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08657; Sat, 22 Oct 94 02:17:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qycFw-00001ZC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 01:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Craig Paul) Subject: Re: Why base64 encode? (pine-3.91) Message-Id: <1994Oct20.092116.75408@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 20 Oct 94 14:21:16 GMT References: <1994Oct18.173637.14138@city.ac.uk> In article <1994Oct18.173637.14138@city.ac.uk>, ec179@city.ac.uk (Mark Lewis) writes: > After recently sending some mail with a shellscript as an attachment to > a friend, I found out that pine had base64 encoded it. This seems > rather stupid to me since no encoding was necessary (the file was > plaintext), and therefore doing encoding on it only served to make it > unreadable by mailreaders that aren't MIME compliant. > > Surely pine should check wether encoding is necessary before carrying it > out on attachments? Perhaps this is merely a problem with the > installation at my site (I hope so), but any info/comments are welcome. If it behaves like one of our early version of another MIME compliant mailer, then only 1 8 bit character will cause the mailer to encode the entire thing. Our mailer supplier then changed the encoding to Quoted-Printable so that only the offending character would be encoded. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 03:33:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21041; Sat, 22 Oct 94 03:33:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09404; Sat, 22 Oct 94 03:29:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09398; Sat, 22 Oct 94 03:29:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qydPo-00001ZC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 03:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: niclas@mtek.chalmers.se (Niclas Mattsson) Subject: Why is 3.90 so much slower than 3.89? Message-Id: <3862le$f5i@nyheter.chalmers.se> Date: 20 Oct 94 15:34:06 GMT The difference is really noticable when starting and quitting pine. Why? Can 3.90 be sped up? Please reply to niclas@entek.chalmers.se, not the address above. Niclas Mattsson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 04:07:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22345; Sat, 22 Oct 94 04:07:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11258; Sat, 22 Oct 94 04:02:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11252; Sat, 22 Oct 94 04:02:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qydxN-00001ZC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 03:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dprez@sol.ohionet.org (Don Prezioso) Subject: Re: setting up PC-PINE Date: 21 Oct 1994 20:58:53 GMT Message-Id: <389a2d$con@pangea.ohionet.org> References: Joseph J. Greenberg (jjg@humansyn.com) wrote: : I am a neophyte pine user, at least on pc. I am trying to set up pc-pine to be : used under trumpet winsock over a slip dial up connection. Can anybody explain : to me in some detail (perhaps via mail, although not necessary) what I need to : know to set this thing up, and how to do it. Thanks. : Joe I just set up the winsock version of pc-pine (pcpine_w.zip I believe) running over the Trumpet Winsock over a direct Ethernet connection, and it seems to work fine. I just unzipped the files in a directory for pine, dragged the pine.exe from the file manager to a group in program manager, and ran it. I was confused at first as to how to enter the INBOX name. I ended up going into setup (in the pine menu), entering 'C' for Configure, and going down to the "inbox-path" entry, where I changed it to the path of my INBOX on the Sun machine that is our mail server. The only real trick is in how to specify the inbox-path. For my setup, it is "{sol.ashland.edu}/usr/spool/mail/dprez". You do need to use the curly braces around the name of the server, and the INBOX path needs to be where your INBOX really is stored on that server. I also set up folder-collections in a similar fashion, my entry is "{sol.ashland.edu}~/mail/[]". The rest of the entries were pretty easy to understand, and only a few really needed to be filled in. Thats about it for the PC setup, and everything seems to work pretty well. On the server, you should make sure that the IMAP server is running, or you won't get anything. I hope this helps, once it is set up, it is really nice. - Don ----- Don Prezioso Ashland University Phone: (419) 289-5015 System Programmer/Analyst 401 College Avenue Fax: (419) 289-5973 Administrative Computing Ashland, OH 44805 Internet: dprez@ashland.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 05:27:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23760; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:27:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10961; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:22:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10955; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:22:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyfBi-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: adrenlin@io.org (Nuno Serrenho) Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? Date: 20 Oct 1994 21:45:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3876gf$734@ionews.io.org> References: <383tlk$duk@ionews.io.org> <386r0l$fpt@ionews.io.org> In article <386r0l$fpt@ionews.io.org>, Brian Tao wrote: > Are you telling procmail to save messages into mailbox folders in >your $HOME/mail/ directory? Yes. They're being saved to my $HOME/mail/ directory. One other thing, since I didn't figure out a way of procmail leaving stuff in the normal io.org INBOX I'm saving the stuff that I don't seperate to the mailing list folder(s) to $HOME/mail/current so in actual fact that's my incoming folder. Is there any danger of me losing any e-mail with this method? And if so, is there anyway to tell procmail to keep other messages in the remote IO.ORG? > Hit 'L' from the main menu or the mailbox index to bring up a list >of your mailbox folders. Then use the arrow keys to select one and >press Return to open it. It looks in your $HOME/mail/ directory, so >make sure procmail is saving stuff in there. Yeah, that's the process I'm using now, but I *KNOW* (because I did have it working ONCE) that there's a way to make Pine think there's more than one incoming mail folder so you can just hit and go to the next one w/ new messages. Basically, it just makes the process a bit easier because using the method you mentioned, I have to hit 'L' then go down and select 'see expanded list of folders' (or something like that) and then select my folders. Nothing in the man pages about it though... Oh well. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 05:50:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24092; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:50:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12686; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:46:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12680; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:46:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyfWM-00001zC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 05:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Bug (?) Deleting Incoming Message Folders in Pine 3.91 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 13:11:18 +0100 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Donald Pirl wrote: > already exist. Talk about schizophrenic! If I delete the folders in my > .pinerc, this has no effect and the names are magically back in my .pinerc > file after I again enter and exit Pine. Make sure you're not running Pine anywhere while you're deleting the folders from your .pinerc! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 06:43:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25055; Sat, 22 Oct 94 06:43:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11829; Sat, 22 Oct 94 06:38:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11823; Sat, 22 Oct 94 06:38:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qygLX-00001eC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 06:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andy@franklin.uga.edu (Andrew Seabolt) Subject: Re: How to a send an ASCII text file as a message? Message-Id: Date: 20 Oct 94 16:26:45 GMT References: <384mlu$bhh@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> In article <384mlu$bhh@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Shannon.Adams@launchpad.unc.edu (Shannon Ray Adams) writes: >In Pine, I want to pull in an ASCII text file and use it as a message. >For example, I have a file called test.txt and want the contents of that >file to go to joe@dec5000. Is this possible? How do I do this? In the compose window (after you have selected "c" to compose and the addressed the mail to joe@dec5000, tab your cursor to the body of the message and choose the option ^R (control + R) ... that should allow you to read in your "text.txt" file for sending ... Hope this helps.. Andy >Any help is appreciated. >-- >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not >necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-__-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andy Seabolt \/ Franklin College Systems Group ||(706)542-1546 Franklin College of Arts and Sciences, U G A || andy@franklin.uga.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 07:20:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25812; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:20:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13745; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:14:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13739; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:14:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qygsw-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 06:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olin@cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) Subject: Re: PCPINE_P (3.91) says "Host not found" on PCNFS-5.0 Date: 21 Oct 1994 21:50:44 GMT Message-Id: <389d3k$q58@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> References: In article , morgan@world.std.com (William M Stair) writes: >This is my first time installing PC-Pine, and I'm having some trouble. >I seem to have configured everything fine, but pine keeps saying: > > [Host not found: vi01.bur.visidyne.com] > >I can ping the server just fine, and I've tried all the alias names >but nothing makes any difference. My only thought might be that it >REALLY means, "IMAPD server not found" and that I installed imapd >wrong or something. I am having the exact same problem, using PC-NFS 5.1, MSDOS 6.00. It does connect successfully the very first time it is configured, and then never again afterwards until I delete the PINERC file and start again. In my case, the imap server is fine, as we have lots of Unix pine 3.91 users connecting to it also. Can't figure this one out... -steve /sig --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Thompson, System Mangler Internet: thompson@cheme.cornell.edu School of Chemical Engineering Phone: (607) 255 5573 Olin Hall, Cornell University FAX: (607) 255 9166 Ithaca NY 14853 "Time is just one damn thing after another" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 07:57:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26377; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:57:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12737; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:53:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12731; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:53:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyhV0-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kurgpold@mizar.usc.edu (Elmar Kurgpold) Subject: metoo setting for Pine? Date: 21 Oct 1994 15:12:02 -0700 Message-Id: <389ebi$iso@mizar.usc.edu> Back in the day when I used UCB mail on my Sun system, I could set the "metoo" variable in my ~/.mailrc, which would allow me to receive mail that I sent to an alias on which I was included. This doesn't seem to work with Pine (using 3.91 as of this writing). In other words, is there a way that I can get Pine to send the message to me as well, if I just address the message to an alias that I'm on? (without putting my address explicitly on the CC line, that is) Thanks for any advice you can give me. ,-,,-, __ ------------------------------------- ______/ /_,' | | Elmar Kurgpold | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |\) (/ | | The Law Center | ( | oo | "My mind has wandered | kurgpold@usc.edu | ) `| |--' from the flock, you see | (213)740-2545 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| And the flock has ------------------------------------- (____' wandered away from me" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 08:23:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27070; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:23:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14512; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:18:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14506; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:18:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyhu3-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 07:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: ansiprt Date: 21 Oct 1994 20:48:37 GMT Message-Id: <3899f5$hpi@news.halcyon.com> I love Pine's ability to print to an attached-to-ansi printer. Ansiprt, which comes with Pine, is a way to print files outside of Pine (either with "ansiprt < filename" or at the end of a pipeline "|ansiprt") but it doesn't seem as robust as Pine's Y command. Often with ansiprt some characters are lost. Do other people experience this or is this a problem with my system? Also, what other tools are there for doing this - I know about ansiprint (note this is different than ansiprt) but it also isn't very robust. Thanks much, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 08:49:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27782; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:49:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13561; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:44:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13555; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:44:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyiJt-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 08:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mramey@u.washington.edu (Mike Ramey) Subject: Re: Filter in pine?? Date: 21 Oct 1994 22:33:48 GMT Message-Id: <389fkc$o0@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: cshan@hubcap.clemson.edu (Tony Shan) writes: >Can anyone tell me if there a function in pine to filter the incoming >emails like the filter function in elm? Thank you very much in advance. Check the document "Secrets of Pine 3.9" which was offered to you the first time you used that version. In the section "How to use Incoming Message Folders", is the following: Pine has no knowledge of how mail delivery is done on any given computer, so it is not feasible for Pine to control delivery filtering. That means you must use whatever delivery filtering tools are available on your system to provide this function. ... I hope this helps, -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 09:11:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28570; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:11:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15217; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:06:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15211; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:06:21 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09606; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:06:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Nuno Serrenho Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? In-Reply-To: <3876gf$734@ionews.io.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Oct 1994, Nuno Serrenho wrote: > > Hit 'L' from the main menu or the mailbox index to bring up a list > >of your mailbox folders. Then use the arrow keys to select one and > >press Return to open it. It looks in your $HOME/mail/ directory, so > >make sure procmail is saving stuff in there. > > Yeah, that's the process I'm using now, but I *KNOW* (because I did have it > working ONCE) that there's a way to make Pine think there's more than one > incoming mail folder so you can just hit and go to the next one w/ new > messages. Nuno, Here's my own incoming-folders entry from my pinerc; perhaps it will help. Note that this is *not* the "folder-collections" variable... incoming-folders=PINE-INFO {phantom.cac.washington.edu}pine-info, PINE-BUGS {phantom.cac.washington.edu}pine, CompMailMisc *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}comp.mail.misc, IMAP {phantom.cac.washington.edu}imap, NETOPS {phantom.cac.washington.edu}netops, IETF {phantom.cac.washington.edu}ietf, HOMER {mailer3.u.washington.edu:143}inbox -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 09:30:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29176; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:30:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14197; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:23:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14191; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:23:38 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09958; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:23:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 09:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Craig Paul , Mark Lewis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why base64 encode? (pine-3.91) In-Reply-To: <1994Oct20.092116.75408@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Craig and Mark: Pine MIME-encodes all attachments, even text, in order to guarantee their integrity when passing thru gateways. (Sometimes integrity matters even for text.) When sending text to recipients without MIME capability, use Ctrl-R in the composer (in the msg body) to include the desired text, rather than attaching the text file. Even better would be to help your recipients get MIME capability, either via a MIME-capable mail reader, or a stand-alone decoder. For example, CMU's "munpack" program will work well, and is available for several platforms (e.g. unix, mac, pc, amiga). It's available in ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ -teg On 20 Oct 1994, Craig Paul wrote: > In article <1994Oct18.173637.14138@city.ac.uk>, ec179@city.ac.uk (Mark Lewis) writes: > > After recently sending some mail with a shellscript as an attachment to > > a friend, I found out that pine had base64 encoded it. This seems > > rather stupid to me since no encoding was necessary (the file was > > plaintext), and therefore doing encoding on it only served to make it > > unreadable by mailreaders that aren't MIME compliant. > > > > Surely pine should check wether encoding is necessary before carrying it > > out on attachments? Perhaps this is merely a problem with the > > installation at my site (I hope so), but any info/comments are welcome. > > If it behaves like one of our early version of another MIME compliant > mailer, then only 1 8 bit character will cause the mailer to encode > the entire thing. Our mailer supplier then changed the encoding to > Quoted-Printable so that only the offending character would be > encoded. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 09:58:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00233; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:58:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14723; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:53:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14717; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:53:43 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10449; Sat, 22 Oct 94 09:53:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ansiprt In-Reply-To: <3899f5$hpi@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Oct 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > I love Pine's ability to print to an attached-to-ansi printer. > Ansiprt, which comes with Pine, is a way to print files outside > of Pine (either with "ansiprt < filename" or at the end of a > pipeline "|ansiprt") but it doesn't seem as robust as Pine's > Y command. Often with ansiprt some characters are lost. Do > other people experience this or is this a problem with my > system? Nancy, I don't really know what's going on here, but I suspect a flow-control problem. The ansiprt code is *very* similar to what Pine uses. The main difference (new in Pine 3.91) is that you now have an option in Pine of ignoring (the new default) or preserving XON/XOFF characters. I believe ansiprt will preserve them... so if your printer or comm software sent an XOFF, ansiprt will stop sending until an XON is received. That should work fine *if* the XON is forthcoming. I gather that if you print the same msg via ansiprt and Pine's attached-to-ansi option, that the former loses characters. Are the lost characters in big chunks, or scattered throughout? You might also experiment with the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature, and see if one or the other settings makes Pine as flakey as ansiprt. -teg p.s. the change in default was made because too many people were reporting bugs about Pine "hanging" when they inadvertently hit ^S (XOFF). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 10:34:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01495; Sat, 22 Oct 94 10:34:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16513; Sat, 22 Oct 94 10:29:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16507; Sat, 22 Oct 94 10:29:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyjx6-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 10:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "M. J. O'Neill" Subject: Re: Problem with PC-Pine 3.91 Configuration Date: 22 Oct 1994 16:53:32 GMT Message-Id: <38bg2c$jnk@clarknet.clark.net> References: <38a6sb$j0o@agate.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Part of my Config is: > user-domain = uclink > smtp server = uclink > inbox path = {uclink}INBOX > folders-collection:*{uclink}mail/[] Hi! Try using your complete domain name and complete paths. My config works fine as follows: user-domain = clark.net smtp-server = clark.net nntp-server = news.clark.net inbox-path = {clark.net}/opt2/mail/mjoneill folder-collections = Saved Mail c:\trumpet\pine\savemail\[] ClarkNet {clark.net}/opt2/usr/mjoneill/mail/[] I also ran into problems because of a line I added to the 'hosts' file in my trumpet directory (I had my host's name in place of my own PC's name). Until I corrected this, I got the EXACT same error message. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 12:21:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05412; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:21:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17218; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:15:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17212; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:15:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qylaf-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 11:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: acep Subject: Incoming messages help! Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 11:43:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone help me? I've set up a filter-rules file in my ~/.elm directory with the rule: to "acep" ? save "~/mail/acep" I have the enabled-incoming-folders option but I can't seem to get it to work! What I am trying to do is set up a filter to send all mail that is sent specifically to me into a folder other than the inbox folder. Is there anything else that I need to do or correct? Any help or suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks, Mark acep@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 12:36:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05747; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:36:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18434; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:30:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18428; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:30:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qylqr-00001eC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vcmgt001@huey.csun.edu (ernest scheuer) Subject: Spanish text in Pine Date: 22 Oct 1994 01:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <389q44$1lq@nic-nac.CSU.net> Can one compose and send Spanish-language text using Pine? I.e., is it possible to include inverted the question mark and the inverted exclamation point, n with a tilde over it, accent marks over letters, etc.? +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Ernest M. Scheuer escheuer@huey.csun.edu | | 2443 E. Oneida St., #2 | | Pasadena, CA 91107 (818) 577-4757 | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 12:37:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05838; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:37:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17509; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:33:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17499; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:33:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qylw0-00001cC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scrappy@io.org (Marc G. Fournier) Subject: IMAPd problem...core dumping Date: 21 Oct 1994 01:23:18 -0400 Message-Id: <387j86$ovg@ionews.io.org> Hi... Hate to ask it...but when we use pine to try and read a relatively large mailbox (ie. 22Meg), rimapd dumps core and closes connection. the mail folder is fine, elm can read it in, just pine fails. I have the newest versions...imapd-3.5 and pine-3.91. anyone experience this? any way to fix it? Thanks... -- Marc G. Fournier | Internex Online: Toronto's First Public Internet Connection System Admin | Data: 363-4151 Telnet: io.org Voice: 363-8676 scrappy@io.org | Worldwide Chat Through IRC Over 9400 Usenet Newsgroups Toronto, Canada | Limited Free Access Telnet Ftp Gopher Online Games From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 12:47:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06153; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:47:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18575; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:38:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18569; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:38:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qylyE-00001fC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vcmgt001@huey.csun.edu (ernest scheuer) Subject: Re: Spanish text in Pine Date: 22 Oct 1994 01:37:49 GMT Message-Id: <389qdd$1lq@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <389q44$1lq@nic-nac.CSU.net> ernest scheuer (vcmgt001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: > Can one compose and send Spanish-language text using Pine? > I.e., is it possible to include inverted the question mark and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ OOPS! I inverted the word order here. (Blush!) > the inverted exclamation point, n with a tilde over it, accent > marks over letters, etc.? > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > | | > | Ernest M. Scheuer escheuer@huey.csun.edu | > | 2443 E. Oneida St., #2 | > | Pasadena, CA 91107 (818) 577-4757 | > | | > +-------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 13:23:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07384; Sat, 22 Oct 94 13:23:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18199; Sat, 22 Oct 94 13:15:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18193; Sat, 22 Oct 94 13:15:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qymYm-00001eC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 12:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morgan@world.std.com (William M Stair) Subject: PCPINE_P (3.91) says "Host not found" on PCNFS-5.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:35:36 GMT This is my first time installing PC-Pine, and I'm having some trouble. I seem to have configured everything fine, but pine keeps saying: [Host not found: vi01.bur.visidyne.com] I can ping the server just fine, and I've tried all the alias names but nothing makes any difference. My only thought might be that it REALLY means, "IMAPD server not found" and that I installed imapd wrong or something. Can anyone make a suggestion or tell me where to find a dos version of mtest... though if it can't find the host, there's no way mtest is going to work. Thanks for ANY help, -Morgan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 14:33:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09662; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:33:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20226; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:22:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20220; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:21:56 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA01501; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:17:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Life? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We don't seem to be receiving mail from this list ...is there a list glitch somewhere? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 14:43:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09994; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:43:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20488; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:39:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20482; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:39:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qynty-00001gC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 14:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lisae@strauss.udel.edu (Lisa M Elias) Subject: Can't read private newsgroups I have access to Date: 21 Oct 1994 14:02:46 -0400 Message-Id: <388vo6$m54@strauss.udel.edu> I am using Pine 3.91. When I read news using pine I am unable to see the body of the article within newgroups that are NOT public, but I have access to. Is there a fix for this? Can I set something in my .pinerc file that will allow me to see these postings. Thanks in advance. ** Lisa Elias ** ** University of Delaware ** ** lisae@strauss.udel.edu ** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 21:49:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19553; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:49:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26125; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26119; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyuR5-00002EC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman) Subject: [Q] Sig File Question Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 23:12:17 GMT I was pretty sure that there was a psuedo-standard that sig files are seperated from the message body by a "--" line. ELM automatically adds the line for you. Is there a way to configure PINE to do the same? -- Inside of every person is a "candle" that forever remains unlit. Learning to live with that darkness is what brings light. Jake Colman email: jcolman@lehman.com Lehman Brothers, Inc. voice: (212) 526-1762 3 World Financial Center FAX : (212) 526-1411 21st Floor New York, NY 10285 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 21:49:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19555; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:49:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26117; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26111; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyuPc-000024C; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donald Pirl Subject: Re: Bug (?) Deleting Incoming Message Folders in Pine 3.91 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 10:44:01 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sat, 22 Oct 1994, Brad wrote: > On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Donald Pirl wrote: > > > already exist. Talk about schizophrenic! If I delete the folders in my > > .pinerc, this has no effect and the names are magically back in my .pinerc > > file after I again enter and exit Pine. > > Make sure you're not running Pine anywhere while you're deleting > the folders from your .pinerc! I'm not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 21:49:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19567; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:49:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25221; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25215; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:44:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyuQx-00002AC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman) Subject: [Q] Return Receipt Requested Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 23:11:04 GMT Is it possible to send a mail message "Return Receipt Requested"? IOW I want to get a positive confirmation when the receipient actually has read my message. I know that Z-Mail supports this as well as many PC-based mail programs. Thanx! -- Inside of every person is a "candle" that forever remains unlit. Learning to live with that darkness is what brings light. Jake Colman email: jcolman@lehman.com Lehman Brothers, Inc. voice: (212) 526-1762 3 World Financial Center FAX : (212) 526-1411 21st Floor New York, NY 10285 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 22:18:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20126; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:18:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25545; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:11:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25539; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:11:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyuvJ-000024C; Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fraser@Plato.melchior.ca (Fraser Hutchinson) Subject: Re: Building PINE under UnixWare Message-Id: Date: 20 Oct 94 21:40:00 GMT References: <3847bi$ikl@bird.summit.novell.com> In-Reply-To: jal@summit.novell.com's message of 19 Oct 94 22:41:54 GMT In article <3847bi$ikl@bird.summit.novell.com> jal@summit.novell.com (J. A. Lind) writes: Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.on.ca) wrote: : I've recently got my hands on Pine 3.90, after being urged by some : people I trust to try it instead of 'elm'. : Has anyone done the build for UnixWare? Does the recently-released 3.91 : release of Pine solve any of these problems? Moreover, why is the SVR4 : compiler considered non-ANSI? And does this thing know I don't use : sendmail? Sorry, Evan, I didn't compile this puppy, so I can't help with the compile issues. However, you can tell Pine to use your server as an SMTP server instead od sendmail. This is a configuration option available in the .pinerc file. Fraser .nosig, I'm a nobody anyways. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 22:50:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20620; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:50:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26810; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:45:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26804; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:45:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyvSc-000024C; Sat, 22 Oct 94 22:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? Date: 22 Oct 1994 00:52:57 -0400 Message-Id: <38a5r9$l78@ionews.io.org> References: <383tlk$duk@ionews.io.org> <386r0l$fpt@ionews.io.org> <3876gf$734@ionews.io.org> In article <3876gf$734@ionews.io.org>, Nuno Serrenho wrote: > >One other thing, since I didn't figure out a way of procmail leaving stuff >in the normal io.org INBOX I'm saving the stuff that I don't seperate to the >mailing list folder(s) to $HOME/mail/current so in actual fact that's my >incoming folder. Is there any danger of me losing any e-mail with this >method? Not that I can see. Procmail is fed messages through the .forward file, so there is no file access contention on your mailbox. >And if so, is there anyway to tell procmail to keep other messages >in the remote IO.ORG? I don't know. You could re-mail stuff back to yourself (and that would go to your mailbox on io.org), but procmail will need some way of preventing mail loops. >Yeah, that's the process I'm using now, but I *KNOW* (because I did have it >working ONCE) that there's a way to make Pine think there's more than one >incoming mail folder so you can just hit and go to the next one w/ new >messages. Really? That would be neat. I switch between my INBOX and my Received folders all the time. It would be great to switch between the two with a single keystroke. Tab by default is bound to "Show next unread" message though. Perhaps there is something in the Pine config options that I missed. I'll put the Pine 3.91 tech notes in /usr/local/lib/pine if you want to take a look through there. -- Brian Tao:: taob@io.org (Internex Online, 416-363-4151, 120 lines, v.32bis) ::::::::::: - - --===+ Home page URL = http://www.io.org/~taob/ +===-- - - From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 23:48:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21484; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:48:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26512; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:45:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26506; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:45:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qywPJ-00002FC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aron@garnet.berkeley.edu (Aron Roberts) Subject: Conversion between mail alias file formats (Pine, Eudora ...)? Date: 21 Oct 1994 21:47:13 GMT Message-Id: Two recent postings to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup asked about the availability of converters between Pine Address Books and the e-mail address 'alias' files used by other mail programs. (In these instances, the question specifically concern conversion between the Pine .addressbook format and the mail alias file formats used by elm and /bin/mail). We're in a related situation: we're supporting and distributing the freeware versions of Eudora for the Macintosh and MS-Windows, and would like to make conversion utilities available to our campus community that would enable them to easily convert their mail aliases files between Pine (which is widely used on our shared UNIX systems here) and Eudora. We're willing to write our own utilities for this purpose, but don't want to 're-invent the wheel'. So we're asking the participants of this group: do you know of pointers to existing scripts/source code for converting these mail alias file formats? In article <37upgn$m37@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, markstep wrote: > Does anyone out there have a converter that will allow one to convert the > pine .addressbook file into .mailrc format? > would be greatly appreciated. And in article , walter@sfu.ca (walter piovesan) wrote: > I would like to hold on to some of my elm features for a while yet., so > I have pretty well been able to keep the two mail systems in tandem (mail > folders etc). I have not been able to have pine read my elm aliase.text > (an address book)...has anyone managed this?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 22 23:48:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21500; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:48:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27467; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:45:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27461; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:45:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qywPP-00002GC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pijjy@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Eleanor Cicinsky) Subject: Control C / Message-Id: Date: 21 Oct 94 02:00:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm new here and would like to know why I have trouble with Ctrl-C when in pine. I get "/" when I type it. No one really knows why this occurs. Please send a message to pijjy@astro.ocis.temple.edu if you have an idea. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 00:17:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22012; Sun, 23 Oct 94 00:17:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26828; Sun, 23 Oct 94 00:14:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26822; Sun, 23 Oct 94 00:14:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qywnU-00002GC; Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cshan@hubcap.clemson.edu (Tony Shan) Subject: Filter in pine?? Message-Id: Date: 21 Oct 94 01:44:43 GMT Can anyone tell me if there a function in pine to filter the incoming emails like the filter function in elm? Thank you very much in advance. Please send me your answer by email. Thx. -- | Tony Shan | $$$$$ | Service of immigration to Canada. | | cshan@clemson.edu | \^.^/ | -- 100% success. Full money back | | Tel 1-(803) 653-8450 | \-/ | GUARANTEED. No risk. Try it! | | Fax 1-(803) 656-5973 | Go Tigers!! | List of textile openings -- FREE!! | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 01:23:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23602; Sun, 23 Oct 94 01:23:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28657; Sun, 23 Oct 94 01:20:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28651; Sun, 23 Oct 94 01:20:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyxsj-00002PC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 01:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: beckley@harvey.qualcomm.com (Jeff Beckley) Subject: Re: Conversion between mail alias file formats (Pine, Eudora ...)? Date: 23 Oct 94 07:43:27 GMT Message-Id: References: aron@garnet.berkeley.edu (Aron Roberts) writes: > Two recent postings to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup asked about the >availability of converters between Pine Address Books and the e-mail >address 'alias' files used by other mail programs. > (In these instances, the question specifically concern conversion >between the Pine .addressbook format and the mail alias file formats used >by elm and /bin/mail). > We're in a related situation: we're supporting and distributing the >freeware versions of Eudora for the Macintosh and MS-Windows, and would >like to make conversion utilities available to our campus community that >would enable them to easily convert their mail aliases files between Pine >(which is widely used on our shared UNIX systems here) and Eudora. For what it's worth, both PC and Mac Eudora support the .mailrc format. I don't know Pine's .addressbook format, but I would imagine that there's probably some conversion routines to .mailrc, since .mailrc is so common. -- beckley@qualcomm.com "A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 03:10:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25758; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:10:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28811; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:02:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28805; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:02:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyzRQ-00002PC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 02:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjg@humansyn.com (Joseph J. Greenberg) Subject: Re: from: field customization Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 03:20:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <1994Oct19.221439.18872@math.utah.edu> I have no need to forge a message. But I do have a domain that has been assigned to my organization that is not the same as the domain that the provider has. That is, I want mail to look like it came from my domain, not from the internet provider. I am able to change the domain name based on the entries in .pinerc; however, the userid portion is not changeable - it uses my host login name. So my mail looks like it was sent by humansyn@humansyn.com, when I really want it to say jjg@humansyn.com. But thanks anyway. Joe In article <1994Oct19.221439.18872@math.utah.edu> calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) writes:>From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris Alfeld) >Subject: Re: from: field customization >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:14:39 GMT >Joseph J. Greenberg (jjg@humansyn.com) wrote: >: I have found, in the .pinerc, the entry to specify the domain that I want to >: be used in the from field. However, I have been unable to find an entry or >: mention of a way to edit the userid (the part before the @). How is this done >: in pine (unix version, not pc version)? >I have developed several ways to do this, one of which involves patching the >source code of pine. However, since the only use this could be put to is >to immitate some false address (Reply-To exists). I will not disclose the >methods. Why do you need to forge an e-mail message? >-- >-Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) > Home Page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 03:13:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25883; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:13:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29848; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:06:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29842; Sun, 23 Oct 94 03:06:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qyzYf-00002QC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 02:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jjg@humansyn.com (Joseph J. Greenberg) Subject: setting addressbook in pcpine Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 03:35:53 GMT Message-Id: How would I setup my addressbook in pcpine so that it points to my .addressbook on the host? Do I need to put the mail host name in the curly brackets, and then the path to my account? For info, my inbox is {mail.msen.com}inbox - I don't seem to need to put in any directory, although my .addressbook is in my personal directory (obviously) on the remote unix machine. Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 06:32:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29868; Sun, 23 Oct 94 06:32:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01360; Sun, 23 Oct 94 06:23:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01354; Sun, 23 Oct 94 06:23:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qz2ZJ-00002YC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donald Pirl Subject: Re: Bug (?) Deleting Incoming Message Folders in Pine 3.91 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 23:34:45 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sat, 22 Oct 1994, Donald Pirl wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 1994, Brad wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, Donald Pirl wrote: > > > > > already exist. Talk about schizophrenic! If I delete the folders in my > > > .pinerc, this has no effect and the names are magically back in my .pinerc > > > file after I again enter and exit Pine. > > > > Make sure you're not running Pine anywhere while you're deleting > > the folders from your .pinerc! > > I'm not. I've found a work-around. The problem only occured when the files had nicknames. If I deleted the nicknames in my .pinerc and recreated the file by making one and copying it. _Then_ I could delete it and it *stays* deleted. So the problem seems to be with using incoming folder nicknames. --Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Pirl dpirl@crl.com Sebastopol, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 08:43:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02055; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:43:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03834; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:32:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03828; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:32:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qz4Ym-00002nC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Subject: Re: Is there a version of pico for Nextstep 3.2 running on intel?? Date: 23 Oct 1994 11:41:30 GMT Message-Id: <38di5a$vm6@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <9410150506.AA01282@acl1.physics.gatech.edu> William L. Ditto (wditto@acl1.physics.gatech.edu) wrote: : I really like the pico editor when using elm but I have just gotten : my nextstep computer running on an intel machine, I have found the : source code for emacs which does work but I hate emacs so much I refuse : to use it. Any idea if pico for nextstep 3.2 intel is out there (if source : I could compile it). : thanks, : Bill Ditto : Ga Tech emacs is not friendly, but if U R sophisticated enuf to use Nextstep, U will be smart enuf to learn emacs. emacs is more than an editor. It is an eviornment. e.g. U can issue esc-x shell thereafter, U can issue almost any UNIX command. So, if u issue archie -s emacs ( or whatever U want archie to search the cyberspace for) U automatically capture the archie (or whatever UNIX command/s U use) output. Then U can apply the rich emacs command set to that captured output. e.g U can search, replace, delete, save .... The world is you oyster. Not to mention, there R GUI emcses out there (LUCID,JED, etc ) to chose from. Even good old emacs is catching the GUI disease. Also, emacs has its own newsreaders, mail readers, etc ... as options. I am composing this w pico because my adm has screwed around w the emacs installation, or something. I know, pico is less harmful than VI. Reconsider emacs. ---- Al Aab From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 08:54:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02210; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:54:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02907; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:45:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02901; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:45:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qz4nF-00002rC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 08:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Subject: Re: Patch to Telnet for Set a Mark? Date: 23 Oct 1994 12:37:48 GMT Message-Id: <38dles$vm6@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <3276@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> Robert N. Berlinger (rnb@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu) wrote: : I'm told there is a patch to NCSA Telnet 2.6 that allows the : control-^ sequence to work (for the Set a Mark command). Anyone : know about this or where I could find it? : Thanks. I have the same problem w control-^. At my university, some machines (PC's) work, some don't. My PC, at home, doesn't. The student advisors could not help. The adm does not answer me. ------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 10:42:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04058; Sun, 23 Oct 94 10:42:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04149; Sun, 23 Oct 94 10:38:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from MAIL.BARRNET.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04143; Sun, 23 Oct 94 10:38:41 -0700 Received: from nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us by mail.barrnet.net (5.67/1.37) id AA25569; Sun, 23 Oct 94 10:38:38 -0700 Received: by nueva1.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.67b/15.5+ECS 3.3+Nueva 0.9) id AA01046; Sun, 23 Oct 1994 10:38:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 10:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexei Kosut To: "Robert N. Berlinger" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Patch to Telnet for Set a Mark? In-Reply-To: <3276@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Oct 1994, Robert N. Berlinger wrote: > I'm told there is a patch to NCSA Telnet 2.6 that allows the > control-^ sequence to work (for the Set a Mark command). Anyone > know about this or where I could find it? You don't say, but I'll assume you're using a Mac (since the DOS version of Telnet is only at 2.3.07). Here's how: Included with the NCSA Telnet distribution (ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu:/Telnet/Mac/Telnet2.6/Telnet2.6.sit.hqx) is a file called "U.S. - Fixed Controls". If you are using System 7 (if you aren't, don't bother, it's near to impossible), drag this file to the System Folder. Answer yes to the resulting dialog box. Then go to the "Keyboard" control panel, and hit "U.S. - Fixed Controls". Now ctrl-^ will work (note that it's ctrl-shift-6, not ctrl-6). Anyhow, have fun. += Alexei Kosut == Pass the Prozac, please =+ | __ ___ ___ __ ___ __ // _____________________________________| | / / / _// _// / / _// | // Director of Miscellania | | / /_ / _ / _// /_ / _ / / // The DALnet IRC Network | | /___//__//_/ /___//__//_/_| // /server irc.ucdavis.edu 6666 | += http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ ==============================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 14:44:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08169; Sun, 23 Oct 94 14:44:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08053; Sun, 23 Oct 94 14:38:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08047; Sun, 23 Oct 94 14:38:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzABr-00004QC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 14:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Patch to Telnet for Set a Mark? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 20:42:01 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3276@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> <38dles$vm6@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38dles$vm6@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> On 23 Oct 1994, Al Aab - CNED/W94 wrote: > Robert N. Berlinger (rnb@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu) wrote: > : I'm told there is a patch to NCSA Telnet 2.6 that allows the > : control-^ sequence to work (for the Set a Mark command). Anyone > : know about this or where I could find it? > > : Thanks. > > I have the same problem w control-^. > At my university, some machines (PC's) work, some don't. My PC, at home, > doesn't. > > The student advisors could not help. The adm does not answer me. > The standard workaround for this is to use ESC-ESC-^ (etc) ie to replace the use of control with ESC-ESC ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 15:38:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09607; Sun, 23 Oct 94 15:38:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07738; Sun, 23 Oct 94 15:34:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07732; Sun, 23 Oct 94 15:34:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzB5t-000047C; Sun, 23 Oct 94 15:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: IMAPd problem...core dumping Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 14:15:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <387j86$ovg@ionews.io.org> Marc - The most likely explanation for the problem is that Pine (local mail) or imapd (remote mail) ran out of virtual memory. c-client (the internal engine used by both Pine and imapd) does not tolerate malloc() failure; if the single malloc() in all of c-client/Pine/imapd returns 0, it issues an ``Out of free storage'' message and core dumps. c-client's drivers for the two primary UNIX formats of mail -- bezerk and mmdf -- both read the entire mail folder into memory. Thus, a 22MB mail folder requires at least 22MB (plus overhead) of virtual memory for the process. The reason this is done has to do with rewriting the mail folder (as in changing flags, or expunging). Since a message can grow as a result of flag setting (writing the Status:/X-Status: lines), it is necessary to have a scratch area to hold the mailbox. There are two possible scratch areas: virtual memory and the disk. With virtual memory, you do a single pass write of the new in-memory state to the disk. With the disk as a scratch area, the entire mail folder in its new state needs to be written to a scratch file, then it needs to be copied back on top of the original mail folder. You can't rename() since several other UNIX mail tools require that you not change the inode of your mail folder. With either choice, you face the risk of running out of resources. You either run out of virtual memory, or you run out of disk. My belief is that many more people run out of disk (due to disk quotas) than run out of virtual memory; this is based upon the number of people who send messages reporting conditions when you exceed disk quota compared to the number of reports such as yours. Furthermore, the virtual memory method is faster. My suspicion is that Elm made the opposite choice. Fortunately, there is a way out. If you want to have godzilla mail folders (and 22MB fits that description) and lack the virtual memory to support it, you can use an alternate format supported by c-client that does not have this restriction, such as tenex or mh format. Tenex format has a fixed-width field to allocate space for the flags, so c-client is able to do mailbox updates in place without ever having to have the entire folder in memory. The tenex driver will automatically read new mail from your /usr/spool/mail file and convert it on the fly to your ~/mail.txt file. The disadvantage of Tenex format is that it is a different (read: incompatible) format and Elm won't be able to read it. There is a tool called mbxcvt on our FTP server which can convert between mailbox formats. I suspect that mbxcvt will also encounter the same out of memory program (since it too uses c-client), but you can use Elm to split the godzilla mailbox in halve or quarters, convert with mbxcvt, then rejoin them. If you need any help in figuring out how to do this, please let me know. I regret the problems that you are having. As you can surmise, it was a calculated gamble that was made, and most of the time we win it. Users who have nasty disk quotas that won't even let them make temp files appreciate the current behavior. Unfortunately, there are times when we lose the gamble, and are stuck with having to offer the consolation prize of ``you can do it if you change your mail format''. Thank you for your interest in Pine, and again, sorry for the hassles! -- Mark -- On 21 Oct 1994, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Hate to ask it...but when we use pine to try and > read a relatively large mailbox (ie. 22Meg), rimapd dumps > core and closes connection. > > the mail folder is fine, elm can read it in, just > pine fails. > > I have the newest versions...imapd-3.5 and pine-3.91. > > anyone experience this? any way to fix it? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 17:59:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12169; Sun, 23 Oct 94 17:59:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10641; Sun, 23 Oct 94 17:54:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10635; Sun, 23 Oct 94 17:54:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzDGV-00004FC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 17:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nobby@u.washington.edu Subject: Pine 3.91 installation help!? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:21:01 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply to: dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Can I delete the files imapd, pico and mtest and have Pine 3.91 still run without problems? If not, which ones can I delete? And... After installing, do I need to keep my /Pine3.91 directory after having moved the bin files to a new location? Are there any special files in there I should keep? Thanks for any help or information you can give! Dan LeGate dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Prodigy ID: FCSJ69A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 23 19:46:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14033; Sun, 23 Oct 94 19:46:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10730; Sun, 23 Oct 94 19:40:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10724; Sun, 23 Oct 94 19:40:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzEzQ-00004TC; Sun, 23 Oct 94 19:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: acep Subject: Another filter question Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 18:28:59 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got filter to save mail sent directly to me into an incoming folder other than INBOX, but I don't seem to be getting any of my usual mailing list messages (some of which I get fifty a day) in my normal INBOX. I've tested it by disabling my .forward file for about 10 minutes and in that time I received about three mailing list messages. What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions? Thanks, -Mark acep@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 07:13:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28221; Mon, 24 Oct 94 07:13:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19422; Mon, 24 Oct 94 06:59:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from adan.unizar.es by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19416; Mon, 24 Oct 94 06:58:50 -0700 Received: from m10050.unizar.es ([155.210.100.50]) by adan.unizar.es (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10176; Mon, 24 Oct 94 14:54:42 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:00:39 +0000 From: Carlos Mata To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Problem with PC-PINE configuration Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is my first time installing PC-Pine, and I'm having some trouble. I seem to have configured everything fine. It does connect successfully the very first time it is configured, and then never again afterwards until I delete the PINERC file and start again. Thanks for ANY help, -Carlos From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 08:18:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00240; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:18:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21547; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:06:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21535; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:06:25 -0700 Received: from pangbourne.city.ac.uk by rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <03742-0@rye.city.ac.uk>; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:04:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:04:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Lewis X-Sender: ec179@pangbourne Reply-To: nostra@city.ac.uk To: Terry Gray Cc: Craig Paul , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why base64 encode? (pine-3.91) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1113 On Sat, 22 Oct 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Pine MIME-encodes all attachments, even text, in order to guarantee their > integrity when passing thru gateways. (Sometimes integrity matters even for > text.) > > When sending text to recipients without MIME capability, use Ctrl-R in the > composer (in the msg body) to include the desired text, rather than attaching > the text file. My point was that the attachment only contained 7-bit ascii characters and so integrity was not improved by base64 encoding it, it just makes it harder for people to read if they don't have MIME-compliant mailreaders. The reason I prefer to attach things like this rather than simply include them is because it makes it easier for people to extract them from the mail message (the attachment can be saved, rather than saving the mail message and deleting unnecessary stuff by hand). Mark. .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 08:36:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01105; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:36:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20871; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:23:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20864; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:23:04 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19287; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:22:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: nostra@city.ac.uk Cc: Craig Paul , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why base64 encode? (pine-3.91) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, Unfortunately, your belief that only 8bit characters are subject to corruption by mail gateways and transport/delivery agents is incorrect. Were your assumptions correct, I would completely agree with your conclusion. However, long lines, trailing blanks, tabs, leading "From " lines, etc, are all vulnerable to modification by certain mail transport or delivery agents. We believe that attaching a file in PIne, text or otherwise, should be as reliable as sending it via FTP. This goal cannot be achieved without encoding. -teg On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Mark Lewis wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > > Pine MIME-encodes all attachments, even text, in order to guarantee their > > integrity when passing thru gateways. (Sometimes integrity matters even for > > text.) > > > > When sending text to recipients without MIME capability, use Ctrl-R in the > > composer (in the msg body) to include the desired text, rather than attaching > > the text file. > > My point was that the attachment only contained 7-bit ascii characters > and so integrity was not improved by base64 encoding it, it just makes it > harder for people to read if they don't have MIME-compliant mailreaders. > > The reason I prefer to attach things like this rather than simply include > them is because it makes it easier for people to extract them from the > mail message (the attachment can be saved, rather than saving the mail > message and deleting unnecessary stuff by hand). > > Mark. > > .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. > | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | > `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 08:50:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02037; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:50:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22306; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:38:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from satie.arts.usf.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22298; Mon, 24 Oct 94 08:38:35 -0700 Received: (lott@localhost) by satie.arts.usf.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA17436; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:40:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Lott (THEATER)" Subject: Unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unsubscribe John Lott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 12:33:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14480; Mon, 24 Oct 94 12:33:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27024; Mon, 24 Oct 94 12:22:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from satie.arts.usf.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27018; Mon, 24 Oct 94 12:22:11 -0700 Received: (lott@localhost) by satie.arts.usf.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA18433; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:24:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Lott (THEATER)" Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unsubscribe John Lott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 14:57:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21794; Mon, 24 Oct 94 14:57:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02160; Mon, 24 Oct 94 14:47:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02154; Mon, 24 Oct 94 14:47:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzWwh-000054C; Mon, 24 Oct 94 14:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim@cs.vu.nl (Jim van Keulen) Subject: Opening resp. closing folders time consuming Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:09:21 GMT Opening and closing folders in Pine are time consuming especially when compared with msg. Msg has the concept of the binary box to speed up folder acces. Is there something like it in Pine? -- Jim van Keulen fac. Wiskunde en Informatica email: jim@cs.vu.nl Vrije Universiteit telefoon: +31 20 44 47805 De Boelelaan 1081a, k. S4.04 fax: +31 20 646 2615 1081 HV Amsterdam, the Netherlands From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 15:24:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23458; Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:24:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02843; Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:10:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02829; Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:10:37 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04220; Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:10:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:19:17 +0300 (WET) From: Aaron Sittner To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Gentlemen: I have been using Pine since opening my e-mail/Internet account - about a year ago - with "Pluto", a Unix machine located at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Mount Scopus Campus. Being partially disabled, I do 99 percent of my work with Pluto from home, by modem. Because of the high cost of telephone time in Israel, I try to keep my online time as brief as possible. I often receive long e-mail messages, which I must import into my home PC for analysis and review. To do this, I first "export" (via Pine) these messages to my "current directory" in Pluto and then use the Unix "Get" command to import it into my PC's hard disk ("c:\kermit" subdirectory). This process is slow considering the speed of my modem, 2400 baud, and consumes quite a bit of costly online telephone charges. A few days ago, all Pluto users were informed that a new version of Pine -- 3.91 -- has been installed. From my reading of the notes on this version, I thought I had noticed a solution to my "problem", by use of setup-configuration. However, though I tried, nothing has changed. Is there any command in Pine 3.91 that would enable me to "export" some of my incoming messages DIRECTLY to my home PC rather than to my "current directory" workspace in Pluto? Thank you. Aaron Sittner (Before writing this letter, I attempted to get an answer from local system operators. However, none of them seem to be sufficiently familiar with the new version to advise me.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 19:18:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03628; Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:18:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06543; Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:11:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06537; Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:11:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzb2G-00000BC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 18:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nobby@u.washington.edu Subject: Changing Reply-to: field in Pine??? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:14:32 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-to: dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Can I add or change a Reply-to: field in the Pine headers? So far, I've been doing it in the Body of the message, but heard that it must be in the header for it to work automatically. Is there a way to do this in pine 3.91? Thanks! Dan LeGate dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Prodigy ID: FCSJ69A From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 20:13:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05045; Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:13:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09458; Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:05:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from MAIL.BARRNET.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09452; Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:05:20 -0700 Received: from nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us by mail.barrnet.net (5.67/1.37) id AA00378; Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:05:15 -0700 Received: by nueva1.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.67b/15.5+ECS 3.3+Nueva 0.9) id AA07666; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 20:05:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 20:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexei Kosut To: dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Changing Reply-to: field in Pine??? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Oct 1994 nobby@u.washington.edu wrote: > Reply-to: dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu no, this doesn't work... Pine inserts a space between the last header and the body of the message. > Can I add or change a Reply-to: field in the Pine headers? So far, I've > been doing it in the Body of the message, but heard that it must be in > the header for it to work automatically. Is there a way to do this in > pine 3.91? Thanks! Okay... from the main menu: 1) Hit "S" (Setup) 2) Hit "C" (Config) 3) go down to "customized-hdrs" 4) Hit "A" (Add) 5) Type in "Reply-To: dlegate@s1.csuhayward.edu" (or whatever) 6) Hit return 7) Hit "E" (Exit) Viola! This is assuming you want to use the Reply-To: header every time. If not, simply enter "Reply-To:" for step 5, and for every message you want the reply-to header in, hit ^R (Rich Hder) and enter it in the Reply-To: field manually. += Alexei Kosut == Pass the Prozac, please =+ | __ ___ ___ __ ___ __ // _____________________________________| | / / / _// _// / / _// | // Director of Miscellania | | / /_ / _ / _// /_ / _ / / // The DALnet IRC Network | | /___//__//_/ /___//__//_/_| // /server irc.ucdavis.edu 6666 | += http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ ==============================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 21:38:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06858; Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:38:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10677; Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:30:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10671; Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:30:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzdE5-00001jC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Michael King) Subject: pine and ispell Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:49:27 +1000 Message-Id: <38hv87$s30@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au> Hello , I am using Pine 3.89 on a Sun unix box. I am trying to get ispell to be my default speller when using pine. I have setenv SPELL /usr/local/bin/ispell in my .tcshrc file When I go to spell in pine it displays the same info on the screen as it would of if I had type > ispell no-file-name. I then have to do a cntrl-L to refresh the screen, and the ispell doesn't worrrrk as you can see. Any thoughts. michael@cc.uq.oz.au BYE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 22:05:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07331; Mon, 24 Oct 94 22:05:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11102; Mon, 24 Oct 94 22:00:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from MAIL.BARRNET.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11096; Mon, 24 Oct 94 22:00:02 -0700 Received: from nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us by mail.barrnet.net (5.67/1.37) id AA00603; Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:59:59 -0700 Received: by nueva1.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us (5.67b/15.5+ECS 3.3+Nueva 0.9) id AA08841; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:59:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexei Kosut To: Michael King Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine and ispell In-Reply-To: <38hv87$s30@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 25 Oct 1994, Michael King wrote: > I am trying to get ispell to be my default speller when using pine. > I have setenv SPELL /usr/local/bin/ispell in my .tcshrc file set it to "/usr/local/bin/ispell -l" instead. That should work (as well as can be expected.) += Alexei Kosut == Pass the Prozac, please =+ | __ ___ ___ __ ___ __ // _____________________________________| | / / / _// _// / / _// | // Director of Miscellania | | / /_ / _ / _// /_ / _ / / // The DALnet IRC Network | | /___//__//_/ /___//__//_/_| // /server irc.ucdavis.edu 6666 | += http://www.nueva.pvt.k12.ca.us/~akosut/ ==============================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 24 23:16:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08826; Mon, 24 Oct 94 23:16:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09945; Mon, 24 Oct 94 23:11:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09939; Mon, 24 Oct 94 23:11:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzeqA-00001gC; Mon, 24 Oct 94 22:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman) Subject: Using SUN PgUp/PgDn keys Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 20:52:10 GMT I'd like to be able to use my SUN Keyboard's PgUp/PgDn keys when in Pine and Pico. Emacs recognizes the keys and so did ELM. How do I make Pine/Pico recognize them? Thanx! -- Inside of every person is a "candle" that forever remains unlit. Learning to live with that darkness is what brings light. Jake Colman email: jcolman@lehman.com Lehman Brothers, Inc. voice: (212) 526-1762 3 World Financial Center FAX : (212) 526-1411 21st Floor New York, NY 10285 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 09:39:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25504; Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:39:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21154; Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:10:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21138; Tue, 25 Oct 94 09:10:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzo4y-00001sC; Tue, 25 Oct 94 08:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: Pine and pgp Date: 25 Oct 1994 15:00:13 GMT Message-Id: <38j6ht$2gb@news.ycc.yale.edu> Could someone please e-mail me a listing of the steps necessary to integrate PGP into Pine? Thanks, LT -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) Lenny_Turetsky@Yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 11:20:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00393; Tue, 25 Oct 94 11:20:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21492; Tue, 25 Oct 94 11:00:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21486; Tue, 25 Oct 94 11:00:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzpeA-000028C; Tue, 25 Oct 94 10:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Installing pine under DG/UX? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:32:12 -0700 Message-Id: References: <38i17t$ihi@martha.washcoll.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38i17t$ihi@martha.washcoll.edu> Did you try the "d-g" port? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 25 Oct 1994, RaGNaRoK wrote: > Date: 25 OCT 1994 04:23:25 GMT > From: RaGNaRoK > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Installing pine under DG/UX? > > I am trying to install pine on a DG/UX system from Data General. I've tried > several options with the build file and none of them seem to work. Anybody > know one of the system configs that WILL compile on a DGUX system? > > Replies through email would be appreciated. Please direct them to > dshaw@martha.washcoll.edu since this msg is listed as from dshaw@martha. > > TIA > Doug > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 13:40:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06745; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:40:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27583; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:33:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27571; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:32:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzsBW-000023C; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Sharaz Subject: Bug in Pc-Pine detected out of Free storage Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:24:01 -0900 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've been using all 3 versions of Pine to access my mail message store via IMAP and I'm now in a position where I want to provide the service to our users at Hull ( Up till now they've only had the UNIX version available to them). The problem is that I keep getting the Bug in PC-Pine detected out of free storage message appearing... Our networked PCs have about 504K of conventional memory free... I'm not sure about /extended/expanded memory at the moment. I can connect to our mail server machine using a userid that has never used e-mail before and PC-Pine will crash. I can then use the same machine to connect to my account and I can read manage/compose and send mail o.k. I'm a bit unsure as to where to start looking for the problem. Are any of you using PC-Pine3.91 from Remote booting PCs in a Novell Networked environment? (I assume it must be a fairly common configuration) What sort of PC setup are you using.? Has anyone else had problems with the "out of free storage" problem? Alex ************************************************************** RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=Computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 13:53:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07471; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:53:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27792; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:41:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vcc7.langara.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27786; Tue, 25 Oct 94 13:41:14 -0700 Received: by vcc7.langara.bc.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13919; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 13:42:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 13:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Chivas Subject: Pine 3.91 To: pine-questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings: Over the past several weeks I have seen comments about bugs in release 3.90 and that 3.91 has fixed over 100 bugs. My question is: should I wait for further bug fixes and stay at rel 3.89. I don;t want to add more problems than I can handle if I don't require any of the new features? Is rel 3.91 as stable as 3.89? Comments? Thanks Jim Jim Chivas, Computing/Network Services email: Jchivas@langara.bc.ca 100 west 49 avenue Voice: (604) 323-5390 Langara College Fax: (604) 323-5349 Vancouver, B.C. Canada V5Y 2Z6 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 16:10:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14630; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:10:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29154; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29148; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:03:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzuaK-00002OC; Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: psti@omni.voicenet.com (John Allegrezza) Subject: Mail formatter needed Date: 20 Oct 1994 15:47:09 -0400 Message-Id: <386hft$bl7@omni.voicenet.com> greetings: I am looking for a mail formatter for our UNIX mail messages. What I need is a tool to filter our the garbage in the mail header keeping only From, Date, Subject field and nicely formatting the mail body leaving possible mail footer/signature un-touched. I haved looked at printmail from elm package and the 'par' program on the net. 'printmail' almost does what I want except it doesn't format the mail body where 'par' does nice formatting but it didn't recognize the header and footer so it formatted them too which is not what I what. Anybody out there has any suggestions? You help will be appriciated. -- psti@omni.voicenet.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 16:11:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14671; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:11:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01193; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:03:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01185; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:03:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzuaj-00002KC; Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: psti@omni.voicenet.com (John Allegrezza) Subject: mail formatter wanted Date: 22 Oct 1994 21:13:12 -0400 Message-Id: <38cdb8$fdn@omni.voicenet.com> greetings: I am looking for a mail formatter for our UNIX mail messages. What I need is a tool to filter our the garbage in the mail header keeping only From, Date, Subject field and nicely formatting the mail body leaving possible mail footer/signature un-touched. I haved looked at printmail from elm package and the 'par' program on the net. 'printmail' almost does what I want except it doesn't format the mail body where 'par' does nice formatting but it didn't recognize the header and footer so it formatted them too which is not what I what. Anybody out there has any suggestions? You help will be appriciated. -- psti@omni.voicenet.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 16:29:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15681; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:29:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01526; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:16:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sol.cwsl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01519; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:16:18 -0700 Received: from cwsl.edu (ram.cwsl.edu [204.94.57.11]) by sol.cwsl.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06145; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:10:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:11:51 -0900 (PDT) From: "Raleigh Moody (raleigh@cwsl.edu)" To: Alex Sharaz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bug in Pc-Pine detected out of Free storage X-Sender: ram@cwsl.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Oct 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using all 3 versions of Pine to access my mail message store > via IMAP and I'm now in a position where I want to provide the service to > our users at Hull ( Up till now they've only had the UNIX version > available to them). The problem is that I keep getting the > Bug in PC-Pine detected out of free storage message appearing... > > Our networked PCs have about 504K of conventional memory free... I'm not > sure about /extended/expanded memory at the moment. I can connect to our > mail server machine using a userid that has never used e-mail before and > PC-Pine will crash. I can then use the same machine to connect to my > account and I can read manage/compose and send mail o.k. > > I'm a bit unsure as to where to start looking for the problem. > > Are any of you using PC-Pine3.91 from Remote booting PCs in a Novell > Networked environment? (I assume it must be a fairly common configuration) > > What sort of PC setup are you using.? > > Has anyone else had problems with the "out of free storage" problem? Yes, we have. We're using PC-Pine 3.91 on our Netware 3.11 network and we see this message on machines (mostly 286's) which don't have a lot of free conventional memory. Apparently, PC-Pine likes a lot of free conventional memory. I don't know what the magic number is, but we seem to have no problems on machines which have at least 520K free. The aggravating part about this is, and I'm sure you know what I mean, is that it doesn't warn you when you first go in that there is enough memory for it to handle everything. You can go into Pine and be happily working away when all of a sudden you'll get kicked out with the "out of free storage" message. My solution has been to fiddle with the various drivers, loading as many high as possible to free up as much conventional memory as possible. We use MS DOS 6.2, by the way. I find it amazing that PC-Pine has memory shortage problems on machines which WP 5.1 has absolutely no problems. What's up with that, Pine Team People? Why does PC-Pine need so much free conventional memory? As far as your apparent inbox-reading problems, let me point out that not all imapd versions are created equal. When we were first having problems (with 3.90) I downloaded the imap from cac.washington.edu (the one pre-compiled for Solaris 2.3) and had mucho problems on our Sparc5. PC's would have difficulty reading some INBOX files which became corrupted, yet the Unix mail program had no problem reading the INBOX. I switched back to the previous imapd version then had absolutely no problems. Try changing imapd versions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Raleigh Moody Internet: raleigh@cwsl.edu Network Specialist California Western School of Law Voice: 619.525.1406 225 Cedar Street, San Diego, CA 92101 Fax: 619.685.2916 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 17:21:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18588; Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:21:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01076; Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:12:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from genesis.state.tx.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01070; Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:12:16 -0700 Received: by genesis.tdhca.texas.gov (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32754; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:13:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:13:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Maldonado To: ernest scheuer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Spanish text in Pine In-Reply-To: <389qdd$1lq@nic-nac.CSU.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I don't think it's a pine issue though... it depends on your emulator (I=20 guess)... 'cause I can do it from home, but my brother (he uses a mac) can'= t. Just press: Alt-(ASCII Code), for instance: for accent on "a": Alt 160 Some emulators work, some don't. Alex M. P.S. If you can see the following vowels with accents, then your emulator= =20 can do it: =E1=E9=ED=F3=FA On 22 Oct 1994, ernest scheuer wrote: > ernest scheuer (vcmgt001@huey.csun.edu) wrote: >=20 > > Can one compose and send Spanish-language text using Pine?=20 > > I.e., is it possible to include inverted the question mark and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > =09OOPS! I inverted the word order here. (Blush!) >=20 > > the inverted exclamation point, n with a tilde over it, accent > > marks over letters, etc.? >=20 >=20 > > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > > | | > > | Ernest M. Scheuer escheuer@huey.csun.edu | > > | 2443 E. Oneida St., #2 | > > | Pasadena, CA 91107 (818) 577-4757 | > > | | > > +-------------------------------------------------------+ >=20 >=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 19:19:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22848; Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:19:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05137; Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:09:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05131; Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:09:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzxSo-00002fC; Tue, 25 Oct 94 18:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sn@Panix.Com (S. Nass/PANIX) Subject: cmsg cancel <38jfml$ai9@panix3.panix.com> Control: cancel <38jfml$ai9@panix3.panix.com> Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:38:05 -0400 Message-Id: <38jfpt$ao1@panix3.panix.com> References: <37s4uo$o8q@panix.com> <38jfml$ai9@panix3.panix.com> <38jfml$ai9@panix3.panix.com> was cancelled from within rn. -- Simona Nass Staff Account PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC sn@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Oct 25 21:27:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25730; Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:27:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05011; Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:22:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05005; Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:22:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qzzWT-000021C; Tue, 25 Oct 94 20:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bsachett@alert.com (Bruce Sachetti) Subject: Folder directories Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:15:20 GMT When specifying folder-collections, among other things in my pine.conf, Pine seems to assume the path is relative to a user's home directory. I am trying to setup mail in a common area outside a user's home directory. This is on AIX 3.2.x and Pine 3.89. Any help would be appreciated. Bruce Sachetti bsachett@alert.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 00:59:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00867; Wed, 26 Oct 94 00:59:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09655; Wed, 26 Oct 94 00:44:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09649; Wed, 26 Oct 94 00:44:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r02j4-00002VC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 00:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruceb@efn.org (Bruce Berryhill) Subject: Accidently running Pine twice Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 06:27:30 GMT Is it possible to get Pine to ask you before it locks your mailbox when you run Pine twice? -- -bruceb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 01:09:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01338; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:09:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08115; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:02:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08107; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:02:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r02xP-00002BC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 00:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: Addressbooks - supressing list members on screen Date: 25 Oct 1994 20:44:21 -0000 Message-Id: <38jqn5$73m@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Hi, I was just wondering how useful people think it would be if pine's addressbook suppressed list members unless an actual list is selected for inspection/modification..... the only reason i mention this is that our system wide addressbook has numerous, large addressbooks and when you simply want to move down your 'list of lists' you also have to plough through the list of recipients. Are any thoughts/comments on suppressing the list memberships, until a list is actually selected in some way? Just curious. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley, Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : A.Bentley@coventry.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 01:57:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02673; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:57:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10598; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:44:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10592; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:44:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r03hl-00002BC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davidp@qpsx.oz.au (David Pascoe) Subject: seeing "dot" files and custom headers Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 07:00:01 GMT Message-Id: I have read the technical spec and user guide, so here goes..... In Pine 3.90, is it possible to display the files starting with "." in the MIME attachment file manager ? I can type the filename by hand, but it would be nice if they were visible. Also how can I put a comma "," in a custom header ? It appears that the custom header list is comma separated. I have tried \, and ",", but both result in those characters being in the text. All text after the comma becomes the next custom header ..... cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, Jtec Pty. Limited, davidp@qpsx.oz.au, Fax:+61-9-321-5216 Decisions of the judges will be final unless shouted down by a really overwhelming majority of the crowd present. Abusive and obscene language may not be used by contestants when addressing members of the judging panel, or, conversely, by members of the judging panel when addressing contestants (unless struck by a boomerang). -- Mudgeeraba Creek Emu-Riding and Boomerang-Throwing Assoc. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 02:35:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03462; Wed, 26 Oct 94 02:35:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09206; Wed, 26 Oct 94 02:20:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09188; Wed, 26 Oct 94 02:17:32 -0700 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:13:10 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA01682; Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:12:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:12:46 +0100 (MET) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: Pekka Kytolaakso Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine3.91 build cvx In-Reply-To: <9409130614.AA12279@tellus.csc.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Pine Team, dear Pekka tried to compile pine3.91 under convex_os11 with /bin/cc. I finally got it compiled when I removed these two lines extern char *malloc(); extern char *realloc(); from ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_cvx.h There are still some warnings which I include below. pine seems to work. However, when quitting pine I get the message: Error resetting signals: Interrupted system call BTW: Is there a need for the 3.90 workaround -string read_write Yours ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ make args are "CC=cc" Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=non-ANSI OS=cvx echo cvx > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s non-ANSI systype cd non-ANSI/c-client; make cvx make mtest OS=cvx EXTRADRIVERS="" STDPROTO=bezerkproto CFLAGS="-O -ext -Dconst= " ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo cvx > OSTYPE echo -O -ext -Dconst= > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_cvx.h osdep.h cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mail.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c bezerk.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mtx.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c tenex2.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mbox.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mh.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mmdf.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c imap2.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c pop3.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c news.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c nntpcunx.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c phile.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c dummy.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c smtp.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c nntp.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c rfc822.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c misc.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_cvx.c cc: Warning on line 44 of ./fs_unix.c: illegal pointer/integer combination. cc: Warning on line 59 of ./fs_unix.c: illegal pointer/integer combination. cc: Warning on line 239 of ./env_unix.c: illegal pointer/integer combination. mv os_cvx.o osdep.o cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c sm_unix.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c newsrc.c cc: Warning on line 346 of newsrc.c: function newsrc_write has return(e); and return; rm -f c-client.a ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o mtx.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o mmdf.o imap2.o pop3.o news.o nntpcunx.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o newsrc.o ranlib c-client.a cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mtest.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a cd non-ANSI/ms;make If CCMD library is not available, ms will not be made. This is alright since ms is only a demonstration program. ../../../ccmd directory not found, so make.ms is ignored cd non-ANSI/ipopd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop2d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop2d ipop2d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop3d.c cc: Warning on line 341 of ipop3d.c: function blat has return(e); and return; cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop3d ipop3d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cd non-ANSI/imapd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb attach.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb ansi.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb basic.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb bind.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb browse.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb buffer.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb composer.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb display.c cc: Warning on line 1671 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1671 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1714 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1714 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb file.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb fileio.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb line.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb osdep.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb pico.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb random.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb region.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb search.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb spell.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb tcap.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb window.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb word.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tcap.o window.o word.o ar: creating libpico.a ranlib libpico.a cc -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb main.c libpico.a -ltermcap -lc -o pico Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-cvx.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c addrbook.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c adrbklib.c cc: Warning on line 4111 of adrbklib.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 4168 of adrbklib.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c args.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c context.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c filter.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c folder.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c helptext.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c imap.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c init.c cc: Warning on line 3366 of init.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailcap.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailindx.c cc: Warning on line 133 of mailindx.c: a bit field must have type int or unsigned int cc: Warning on line 134 of mailindx.c: a bit field must have type int or unsigned int cc: Warning on line 1634 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1687 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1714 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailpart.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailview.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c newmail.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c other.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c pine.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c print.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c reply.c cc: Warning on line 1517 of reply.c: label 'bomb' defined but not referenced. cc: Warning on line 1523 of reply.c: code unreachable. cc: Warning on line 1525 of reply.c: code unreachable. cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c screen.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c send.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c signals.c cc: Warning on line 412 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 413 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 415 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 416 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c status.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c strings.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c ttyin.c cc: Warning on line 1675 of ttyin.c: expression statement has no effect cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-cvx.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-cvx.ic > os-cvx.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-cvx.c os.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c os.c cc: Warning on line 1261 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1262 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1263 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1318 of os.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1466 of os.c: label 'done' defined but not referenced. echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c cc -c -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -o date.o date.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o print.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o stat us.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.o ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib Links to executables are in bin directory: text data bss tdata tbss common dec hex 1699840 61440 65536 16384 8192 0 1851392 1c4000 bin/pine 585728 20480 24576 16384 8192 0 655360 a0000 bin/mtest 606208 20480 32768 16384 8192 0 684032 a7000 bin/imapd 335872 16384 12288 8192 8192 0 380928 5d000 bin/pico Done From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 03:37:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05029; Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:37:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10023; Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:26:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10017; Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:26:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r05DZ-00001iC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nabzar@ki.se (Nabil Zary dsg) Subject: Pine 3.91 how can I lock the Config file... Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:29:11 GMT Thanks! MvH Nabil Zary -- (o o) +------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 07:11:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11978; Wed, 26 Oct 94 07:11:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13494; Wed, 26 Oct 94 06:57:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13488; Wed, 26 Oct 94 06:57:55 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi (tellus.csc.fi [128.214.46.33]) by pobox.csc.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9+CSC-2.0) with SMTP id PAA10173; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:57:50 +0200 Received: by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23292; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:57:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:57:43 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Kytolaakso X-Sender: netmgr@tellus.csc.fi To: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine3.91 build cvx In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 26 Oct 1994 martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de wrote: > Dear Pine Team, dear Pekka >=20 > tried to compile pine3.91 under convex_os11 with /bin/cc. >=20 > I finally got it compiled when I removed these two lines=20 >=20 > extern char *malloc(); > extern char *realloc(); > > from ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_cvx.h These definitions need to be commented in os_cvx.h. I forgot to report it.~ =20 > There are still some warnings which I include below. I get the same warnings. > pine seems to work. However, when quitting pine I get the message: > Error resetting signals: Interrupted system call >=20 > BTW: Is there a need for the 3.90 workaround -string read_write >=20 > Yours I haven't had time to test 3.91 on Convex. It looks like the problem in 3.90 but I'm not shure. For some reason I don't get the message whe in run sunig '-d 9'. I'll try to look in it more closelly tomorrow. Pekka Kyt=F6laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET/CSC Finnish University and Research Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 08:52:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16450; Wed, 26 Oct 94 08:52:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16978; Wed, 26 Oct 94 08:31:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unix1.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16972; Wed, 26 Oct 94 08:31:47 -0700 Received: by unix1.circ.gwu.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA03741; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:34:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:24:29 -0300 (EDT) From: Tin Mala Subject: Re: Addressbooks - supressing list members on screen To: Adam Bentley Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <38jqn5$73m@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with your very practical suggestion. I'd like to see an addbook feature in pine that allows either a seperate folder for the distribution lists (like a subdirectory), or a tack-on feature that could be custom configed (like the signature-at-bottom command) so that all the lists will be grouped at the end, preferably by the group name as you suggested. Also on my wishlist is a means of surpressing all the names from appearing (as in the listserv addressees) in the composed message (taking up extra bytes) - in other words, like your idea to have only the list names in the addbook, the recipient line would feature only the group's name. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tin-Mala *-*-* mx129x@unix1.circ.gwu.edu *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 11:27:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24636; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:27:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21453; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:12:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21445; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:12:02 -0700 Via: uk.ac.coventry.hermes; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:32:57 +0000 Received: from coventry.ac.uk by hermes.coventry.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <11342-0@hermes.coventry.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:33:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:36:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Adam Bentley X-Sender: ccx009@rowan To: Tin Mala Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Addressbooks - supressing list members on screen In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Address-Work: Computing Services R-Block Priory St Coventry CV1 5FB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Tin Mala wrote: > I agree with your very practical suggestion. I'd like to see an addbook > feature in pine that allows either a seperate folder for the distribution > lists (like a subdirectory), or a tack-on feature that could be custom > configed (like the signature-at-bottom command) so that all the lists will > be grouped at the end, preferably by the group name as you suggested. I think you can order the addressbooks with various keys..... > Also on my wishlist is a means of surpressing all the names from appearing > (as in the listserv addressees) in the composed message (taking up > extra bytes) - in other words, like your idea to have only the list names > in the addbook, the recipient line would feature only the group's name. you can sort of do this. Use the Bcc field and it won't then list the recipients getting the message. _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley, Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : A.Bentley@coventry.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 12:29:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27509; Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:29:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23115; Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:17:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23109; Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:17:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0DXB-000030C; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Posting news w/o nntp server workaround? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:31:22 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Local posting is planned for a future release of Pine, possibly the next non-maintenance release... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, John Davis wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 OCT 1994 16:40:07 GMT > From: John Davis > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Posting news w/o nntp server workaround? > > I'm tyring to use Pine 3.91 to read (and post) news at Netcom. Netcom > does not allow users access to the nntp server within shell accounts. I > can read news fine in Pine by setting the news collection field to *[]. I > can't post though. I have thought about writing a script that I could > ctrl-z out to that would prompt me for newsgroup, etc. and then use inews > to post an article. I guess I could also pipe a current article to a file > and use a script to compose a follow-up post also. But I'm wondering is > there an easier way to achieve what I want to do. Is there any "public" > nntp servers I could access just for posting purposes? I really do like > accessing news within Pine rather than trn or tin because 1) I can save > articles to the same folders I save my mail in and 2) it is directly > accessible as I read my mail; I don't have to exit one program and then > start another. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated or if you > have any scripts already written that would help me out, I would sure > appreciate you sending me a copy. Surely there is a way to do this. > > Thanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > John Davis jbd@netcom.com > Cary, N.C. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 17:32:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12905; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:32:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01276; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:28:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01270; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:28:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0IOU-00004HC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: billy@utdallas.edu (Billy Barron) Subject: addressbooks via IMAP Date: 26 Oct 1994 13:43:54 GMT Message-Id: <38lmeq$cbv@news.utdallas.edu> On PINE 3.9X, I put my global addressbooks in the directory /var/spool/mail/pinestuff (/var/spool/mail obviously being the location of the INBOX) for UNIX using NFS. Our Novell guy tried to access them via IMAP and claims he got some type of permission denied message. I know the files are readable to everyone as all UNIX users can access it. Is there something in the IMAP server that blocks access to it? Or does anybody have any other ideas? -- Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas billy@utdallas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 17:40:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13272; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:40:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28629; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:33:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28623; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:33:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0IUq-00004DC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: setting addressbook in pcpine Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:06:17 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine does not currently support remote addressbooks. Some form of remote/distributed addressbook capability is planned for the future... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 23 Oct 1994, Joseph J. Greenberg wrote: > Date: Sun, 23 OCT 1994 03:35:53 GMT > From: Joseph J. Greenberg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: setting addressbook in pcpine > > How would I setup my addressbook in pcpine so that it points to my > .addressbook on the host? Do I need to put the mail host name in the curly > brackets, and then the path to my account? > For info, my inbox is {mail.msen.com}inbox - I don't seem to need to put in > any directory, although my .addressbook is in my personal directory > (obviously) on the remote unix machine. > Joe > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 17:50:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13773; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:50:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01713; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:44:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01707; Wed, 26 Oct 94 17:44:39 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15950; 26 Oct 94 20:44 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA15621; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:44:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: message/EXTERNAL *almost* works in pine3.91 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if this has been reported yet, but: Accessing message/EXTERNAL from pine *almost* works! It sends a message to the right mail server, however, according to both the message returned from the mail server, and the message displaying what Pine was about to send when it asked for confirmation, it didn't include the body of the message ( "SEND filename" ) contained in the body of that MIME part. But I'm glad to see you guys are working on adding those features. ( I haven't yet tried one that specifies anon-ftp. ) Good news is that the version I compiled "out of the box" hasn't yet hung up on me in AIX. I didn't bother to grab the distributed binary first because I assumed I would still have to change termcap/curses to work. But I decided to go ahead an build it "as is" before changing anything. It doesn't look as if the makefile defaults for a32 have been changes from curses to termcap ( the previous fix required ). Is this (so far) fault free operation due to some other change ? Or have I just been luck so far ? -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 19:01:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15893; Wed, 26 Oct 94 19:01:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02932; Wed, 26 Oct 94 18:55:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02926; Wed, 26 Oct 94 18:55:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0JhN-00004TC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 18:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fireeyes@eskimo.com (Steve Thornberry) Subject: eof and bof in pico Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:29:08 GMT Hi, How do I do end-of-file and beginning-of-file in pico without having to type cntrl-v or cntrl-y a thousand times? I tried cntrl-< and cntrl-> but to no avail.. Steve PS. please e-mail any respone to smthor01@msuacad.morehead-st.edu as it's a real pain for me to read news. :( Thanks for any help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Oct 26 21:30:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19649; Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:30:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02544; Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:23:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02538; Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:23:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0M4N-00000aC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Macgician@monroe.ocis.temple.edu (Macgician!) Subject: Control-O : Postpone : loses data. Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:01:37 -0400 Message-Id: Hello, I have my default/customized headers the following way. They work just fine. But when i postpone the composition and then resume, the Sugg: and Dis: headers are truncated. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =========================================================================== default-composer-hdrs = Subject Bcc Cc To customized-hdrs = Suggest: As always send e-mail to help for further questions. Reply-To: Return-Receipt-To: Disclaimer: Talk about me talking for others esp. my employers -- @|\@@ Macgician@monroe.temple.edu http://monroe.temple.edu - @@@@ These views are Orders in Pride Land, where no Hyenas live. /7 @@@@ Mophusa: Everything that the light touches is mine. / @@@@@@ Simbha : Everything, hmmm..what about the Dark Side. \-' @@@@@@@@`-________________ -@@@@@@@@@ Lion King / \ _____/ /_ ______/ |_____- /,________/ `-.___/,__________-----_) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 03:36:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27955; Thu, 27 Oct 94 03:36:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09885; Thu, 27 Oct 94 03:30:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09879; Thu, 27 Oct 94 03:30:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0Rmf-00005UC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 03:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Raul Gomez Subject: MIME problem Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:57:23 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Somebody sent me a formatted file (WordPerfect) as an attachment using Pine 3.91. When I try to read it I get the following: [Don't know how to display attachment format Application/ OCTET-STREAM} Am I doing something wrong ? Any help ? Thanks Raul From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 04:12:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29453; Thu, 27 Oct 94 04:12:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08468; Thu, 27 Oct 94 04:05:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08462; Thu, 27 Oct 94 04:05:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0SJV-00005UC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 03:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: weave@zuni.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) Subject: Re: pine 3.91 compile on DGUX Date: 27 Oct 1994 01:07:48 -0400 Message-Id: <38ncj4$pic@zuni.dtcc.edu> References: <38mcbv$b32@crl5.crl.com> In article <38mcbv$b32@crl5.crl.com>, Joe Cygan wrote: >I just downloaded the latest pine. I tried to build it on my Aviion. I also >followed the suggestion from the post here a few days ago. I get the following >error in the compile > >tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_open': >In file included from os_d-g.c:59: >ucp_unix.c:114: incompatible types in assignment This is fast becoming a FAQ! Quick answer, upgrade to DG/UX 5.4.3! :-) ... else you need to change the prototype for inet_addr yourself or override it. >From the release notes for 5.4.3R3.00... /usr/include/arpa/inet.h has a revised prototype for inet_addr(3N), which converts dot notation Internet addresses into internal form. The return type changed from a struct in_addr to an unsigned long to comply with prevailing practice and standards such as OCS Net. There is no object or binary impact because both return types are returned the same way by the compiler, as required by OCS. The types of source code changes required include: (struct in_addr) = inet_addr; becomes (struct in_addr).s_addr = inet_addr; and (unsigned long) = inet_addr.s_addr; becomes (unsigned long) = inet_addr; So the *correct* prototype should look like... unsigned long inet_addr(char *cp); -- Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Manager of Computer Services |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| WHOIS: KJW Delaware Technical & Community College |*| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 09:19:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09951; Thu, 27 Oct 94 09:19:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15228; Thu, 27 Oct 94 09:02:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15222; Thu, 27 Oct 94 09:02:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0WSf-000067C; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sned@myhost.subdomain.domain. (Paul Snedden) Subject: Multiple copies of .addressbook Date: 27 Oct 1994 08:20:31 GMT Message-Id: <38nnsf$3pj@ob1.uws.EDU.AU> People, Is it at all possible for me to have multiple .addressbook's for use with pine? What I want is the following... .addressbook = My 'normal' standard addressbook, filled with the addresses that I most commonly use :) .thelist = A 'special' list of addresses that I want to access _seperately_. I want to be able to switch from one to the other at any time Is this at all possible? My main reasoning is that when a new person is added to 'TheList' (.thelist), it is my job to send the file (.thelist) to all the 'subscribers'. Can anyone help me? Thanx, Paul Snedden. PLEASE reply to raah@music.macarthur.uws.edu.au NOT this address. Thank you :-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 12:13:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19312; Thu, 27 Oct 94 12:13:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17847; Thu, 27 Oct 94 11:52:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17841; Thu, 27 Oct 94 11:52:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0Zca-00003AC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wrs@halcyon.com Subject: printing-to-attached-ansi w/zterm? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:48:47 -1100 Message-Id: is it possible to use the print to attached ansi printer feature of pine, using zterm as a terminal emulator, on a mac with an attached laserwriter? i know it works with kermit, but would like to to work with zterm. best, bill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 14:55:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27170; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:55:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22058; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:50:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22052; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:50:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA04103 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:50:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:50:04 -0500 From: Dave Rasmussen Message-Id: <199410272150.QAA04103@opus.csd.uwm.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine on USL V version 4.2? Is there a configuration preassembled to build for a usl system v version 4.2 platform? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 14:57:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27227; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:57:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22113; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:52:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22107; Thu, 27 Oct 94 14:51:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA04114 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:51:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:51:58 -0500 From: Dave Rasmussen Message-Id: <199410272151.QAA04114@opus.csd.uwm.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: nevermind I looked in the src directory. I am not thinking well today. :-( From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 15:32:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29153; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:32:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24338; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:27:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24332; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:27:32 -0700 Received: (from tm1@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA06563; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:27:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Tin-Mala Subject: Re: nevermind To: Dave Rasmussen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199410272151.QAA04114@opus.csd.uwm.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I looked in the src directory. I am not thinking well today. :-( > Oh now, don't leave some of us newbies in suspense - enlighten us, or me, at least, what you found in there to answer your earlier questions. I was looking forward to finding out! Tin-Mala * * * * * Tel: 202-994-8637 * I virtually live in cyberspace * Fax: 301-365-3666 * * * E-mail: tm1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 15:40:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29573; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:40:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24585; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:36:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from opus.csd.uwm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24579; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:36:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by opus.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA04364; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:36:28 -0500 From: Dave Rasmussen Message-Id: <199410272236.RAA04364@opus.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Re: nevermind To: tm1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Tin-Mala) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:36:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Tin-Mala" at Oct 27, 94 06:27:07 pm Word-Of-The-Day: eigenvalue X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1192 >From tm1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Oct 27 17:27:31 1994 >Subject: Re: nevermind >To: Dave Rasmussen >cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > >> I looked in the src directory. I am not thinking well today. :-( >> >Oh now, don't leave some of us newbies in suspense - enlighten us, or me, >at least, what you found in there to answer your earlier questions. I >was looking forward to finding out! Well, for newbies, I had a 386 based system running USL system V release 4.2. So I looked in pine3.91/pine and saw the .sv4 files and went back to the top directory level and typed: build sv4 Um, unfortunately now when it compiles it dies where it compiles addrbook.c: Making Pine. cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 71: identifier redeclared: system UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 168: identifier redeclared: renam So this is the next glitch to iron out. -- Dave Rasmussen - Information & Media Technologies (ex-CSD) Systems Group Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 17:52:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05315; Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:52:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27511; Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:46:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27505; Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:46:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0f72-00000DC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: AAAS System Administrator Subject: ICMP error in PC-Pine Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm running PC-Pine 3.90. When I open the program, I get either "ICMP host unreachable" or "TTL exceeded in transit" errors for about thirty seconds or longer. Eventually it finds the remote unix host on which my mail is stored. I have no problems connecting to the same host with NCSA Telnet, or any Winsock-based app. Nor are there any delays opening my inbox if I telnet to the unix box and run unix pine. What's up? Peter Lemieux phl@amacad.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 18:12:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05841; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:12:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26531; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:04:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26525; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:04:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0fQH-00000XC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 17:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Multiple copies of .addressbook Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:44:39 -0700 Message-Id: References: <38nnsf$3pj@ob1.uws.EDU.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38nnsf$3pj@ob1.uws.EDU.AU> Yes, you can have multiple addressbooks, but only in Pine 3.90 and later. Go to the Setup/Config screen and Add the addressbooks you want (including .addressbook). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 27 Oct 1994, Paul Snedden wrote: > Date: 27 OCT 1994 08:20:31 GMT > From: Paul Snedden > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Multiple copies of .addressbook > > > People, > > Is it at all possible for me to have multiple .addressbook's for use with > pine? What I want is the following... > > > .addressbook = My 'normal' standard addressbook, filled with the addresses > that I most commonly use :) > > .thelist = A 'special' list of addresses that I want to access _seperately_. > > I want to be able to switch from one to the other at any time > > Is this at all possible? My main reasoning is that when a new person is > added to 'TheList' (.thelist), it is my job to send the file (.thelist) to > all the 'subscribers'. > > Can anyone help me? > > Thanx, > Paul Snedden. > > PLEASE reply to raah@music.macarthur.uws.edu.au NOT this address. > Thank you :-) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 18:50:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06815; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:50:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27240; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:46:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27234; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:46:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0g4N-00000DC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nbfzaid@nbnet.nb.ca (Fozia A. Zaidi) Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:17:45 Message-Id: References: <3876gf$734@ionews.io.org> Hi Can someone give me step by step instructions on how to recieve my incoming mail in different folders? Thanks Fozia Zaidi In article gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes:>From: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray)>Subject: Re: Seperate INCOMING mail folders in PINE?>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 16:06:15 GMT >On 20 Oct 1994, Nuno Serrenho wrote: >> > Hit 'L' from the main menu or the mailbox index to bring up a list >> >of your mailbox folders. Then use the arrow keys to select one and >> >press Return to open it. It looks in your $HOME/mail/ directory, so >> >make sure procmail is saving stuff in there. >> >> Yeah, that's the process I'm using now, but I *KNOW* (because I did have it >> working ONCE) that there's a way to make Pine think there's more than one >> incoming mail folder so you can just hit and go to the next one w/ new >> messages. >Nuno, >Here's my own incoming-folders entry from my pinerc; perhaps it will help. >Note that this is *not* the "folder-collections" variable... >incoming-folders=PINE-INFO {phantom.cac.washington.edu}pine-info, > PINE-BUGS {phantom.cac.washington.edu}pine, > CompMailMisc *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}comp.mail.misc, > IMAP {phantom.cac.washington.edu}imap, > NETOPS {phantom.cac.washington.edu}netops, > IETF {phantom.cac.washington.edu}ietf, > HOMER {mailer3.u.washington.edu:143}inbox >-teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 18:51:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06865; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:51:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28369; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:46:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28363; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:46:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0g3g-00000AC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nbfzaid@nbnet.nb.ca (Fozia A. Zaidi) Subject: I lost all my email!! :( Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:09:50 Message-Id: Hello everyone! Can someone help me out? I usually use my pine program on my unix account to read my mail. Then one day brilliant me decided to try and use my Winsock mail program (WinQVT/Net v3.9) to read my university mail. Well with a 2400 baud modem it was taking forever, so I just rebooted my machine and when I logged into my unix account I discovered at my 47 emails had dissappeared! Any one know how I can recover them? Fozia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 19:06:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07180; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:06:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28627; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:02:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28621; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:02:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0gJG-00000FC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnson@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Chris Johnson) Subject: usable pcpine_w.zip, looking for. Date: 24 Oct 1994 15:44:58 GMT Message-Id: <38gkpq$ab1@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Anyone know where I can get a useable pcpine_w.zip? The one I grab from ftp://ftp.cac.washington/pine/pcpine give pkunzip heart burn. Pkunzip claims "Warning! I don't know how to handle: " where seems to be everything in the zip. Is there a useable zip around? Am I doing something wrong with pkunzip? Help. And as always any help much appreciated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 19:52:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08150; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:52:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28117; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:47:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28111; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:47:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0h31-00000NC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: john@iluvatar.tip.duke.edu (John Jones) Subject: kill file?????? Date: 27 Oct 1994 17:41:07 GMT Message-Id: <38oonj$i86@news.duke.edu> Is is possible to create a kill file for incoming mail in Pine 3.9. There are a few people on a mailing list that I am on that I would like not to hear from. If it can be done, how do you do it. reply to e-mail address below as I don't always get to read mail. thanks. john@iluvatar.tip.duke.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 21:21:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10558; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:21:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00653; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:17:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00647; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:17:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0iSo-00000FC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 20:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djolley@kaiwan.com (Donald Douglas Jolley) Subject: A couple of problems with pcpine Date: 27 Oct 1994 11:55:30 -0700 Message-Id: I have a Linux box which, among other things, is serving as a network server (running samba), an imap server, and a local news server running inn. The workstations are PCs running W4WG and pcpine_w. My first problem is that when I go to view news articles that have been properly posted on the server, only the message part of the article is displayed and the text of the message just isn't there. My second problem is that when I go to post news articles, I get a fleeting error message accross the bottom of the pine screen saying something about something being too old (it goes so fast that I really can't read it). Of course, the two problems described above are observed from the workstation running pcpine_w. I don't know if these two problems are related. Can anyone shed any light on either or both of these problems. Thanks for any help. ... doug ______________________________________________________________________________ Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 22:15:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11976; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:15:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00470; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:12:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00464; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:12:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0jI5-00000AC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Randall S. Winchester" Subject: Re: pine -f foldername Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 23:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: References: <38o739$se5@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Brad wrote: > On 27 Oct 1994, Adam Bentley wrote: > > > pine -f ../somefileinthisdirectory > > Well, personally, seeing as I never have any folders anywhere > other than in ~/mail (and I guess this would be true for most people, > also), I'd rather have to type "../" once in a blue moon than "mail/" > just about every time I want to open a particulat folder on startup. > > --Simon. > Well, I for one have a lot of stuff in ../News and as postmaster often find my self doing the equivilent of mail -f someonesmailproblemfolder. Also there are all those /usr/spool/majordomo/*/archives. And lost of departments like to archive special things that get stuck under HTML eventially. And then there is thie other annoying bug in Pine... every time I hit ^T to Spell it asks if some part of "On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Brad wrote:" is spellt correctly In fact I really dislike the cursor starting on that first line Every time I reply I have to hit \n\n\n\n^p^p^p^p to give my self some breathing room if I want to reply at the top (usual case with shot messages) Otherwise the "On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Brad wrote:" line gets nicely split into multiple lines my one of pines very nice long line trimers.... Seems like an easy mode, I do not know why every body does not have this complaint. Randall BTW, I am not one of those "I use Elm, but recomend pine for the masses " people. I have switched from many years of berkeley Mail, never liking the habits of MH. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Oct 27 23:27:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13676; Thu, 27 Oct 94 23:27:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02609; Thu, 27 Oct 94 23:20:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02603; Thu, 27 Oct 94 23:20:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0kH7-00000DC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Bcc Bug? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:50:38 +0000 Message-Id: References: <38k8ft$rmk@mark.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <38k8ft$rmk@mark.ucdavis.edu> On 26 Oct 1994, Hemang Patel wrote: > I think I may have discovered a bug. Today I sent e-mail to a list of 50 > faculty members and I placed the nickname I use for the list (fac), into > Bcc:. I do this to avoid the long list of e-mail addresses people have to > scroll through to get to the message. A faculty member using Eudora 1.4.3 > for Mac still had the entire list of faculty I sent the message to. Has > anyone else encountered Bcc not working? I am using PINE 3.90 on Solaris 5.3. > We have this problem using Pine on a system which has PP as its MTA. Pine appears to implement the "hiding" of Bcc: via an option to sendmail (-t) so I wonder if the sendmail on your Solaris 5.3 system is ignoring it? > -- > _________________________________________ > >Hemang Patel hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu > > ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 01:04:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15684; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:04:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02570; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:54:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02564; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:54:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0lol-00000AC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: kill file?????? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:57:52 GMT Message-Id: References: <38oonj$i86@news.duke.edu> <38oqik$52d@news.umbc.edu> Frank Sofsky (sofsky@midget.towson.edu) wrote: : John Jones (john@iluvatar.tip.duke.edu) wrote: : : Is is possible to create a kill file for incoming mail in Pine 3.9. There : : are a few people on a mailing list that I am on that I would like not to : : hear from. If it can be done, how do you do it. : If there is a way do do this please post as well. : thanks I'd doubt it. Pine just doesn't do input filtering like that. Check the man pages for your mail system. On MMDF, for instance, this sort of thing can be achieved using the .maildelivery function. Other systems might or might not support this sort of thing. Periodically, other people mention mail filter programs which might also achieve what you want. None of these, of course, could provide a killfile approach for Pine's newsreading system. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 01:05:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15740; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:05:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03493; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:34:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03487; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:34:40 -0700 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01162; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:34:37 -0700 X-Sender: absweger@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew B. Sweger" To: Chris Johnson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: usable pcpine_w.zip, looking for. In-Reply-To: <38gkpq$ab1@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Oct 1994, Chris Johnson wrote: > Anyone know where I can get a useable pcpine_w.zip? The one I grab > from ftp://ftp.cac.washington/pine/pcpine give pkunzip heart burn. > Pkunzip claims "Warning! I don't know how to handle: " where > seems to be everything in the zip. Is there a useable zip > around? Am I doing something wrong with pkunzip? Is it possible that you download Pine from ftp.cac.washington.edu in ASCII mode? That would certainly cause this problem... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 01:28:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16308; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:28:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03095; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:23:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03089; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:23:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0mH9-00000ZC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Entering IMAPd User ID Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 21:33:18 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just one quick idea... when using IMAPd to access a remote mailbox, you get prompted to enter a user ID and password, but the ID is already placed at the cursor position. This means that if you want to enter an alternative ID (which I, for one, usually do), then you have to delete the ID it gives you before you can enter the one you want. How about something like: "ID [syb3]:" so that you can still simply hit enter to use the default ID it gives you, but you don't have to delete it if you do want to use a different ID? It's only a very minor point, I know, but it hit me today, and I thought it meant mentioning, so... --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 01:28:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16329; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:28:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04175; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:20:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04169; Fri, 28 Oct 94 01:20:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0mAw-00000AC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 00:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawless@lax.geog.ucsb.edu (Michael Lawless) Subject: Pine & PGP Date: 24 Oct 1994 17:50:52 GMT Message-Id: <38gs5s$3o1@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> I'm still looking for a script that will create PGP encyphered mail from Pine. I'm pretty sure I've seen such a thing her and am just looking for a repost. Thanks. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lawless |Remote Sensing Research Unit lawless@geog.ucsb.edu |Geography Department, UCSB |Santa Barbara CA, 93106 --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQBtAy6cMUoAAAEDAKbpkQa9zQOnykFKAcAO6J1ZO8N6yZcAiIS6Vg8/aTI44NmO 9Gt1p0a4M+6Wpy5PMlnZPjqlH6JSK8bqPApaVcLMEnmP5Vy7k+uLzExPP6MEptBH uWBcXF1qIZRU0zEjmQAFEbQqTWljaGFlbCBKLiBMYXdsZXNzIDxsYXdsZXNzQGdl b2cudWNzYi5lZHU+ =yV8M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 05:32:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22156; Fri, 28 Oct 94 05:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06257; Fri, 28 Oct 94 05:25:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ben.franklin.uga.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06251; Fri, 28 Oct 94 05:25:30 -0700 Received: from zen by ben.franklin.uga.edu with SMTP id AA08417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:25:29 -0400 Received: by zen id AA13214 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:30:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lemuella C. Logan" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will like to subscribe to your mailing list. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lemuella C. Logan | voice: (706) 542-1558 Franklin College of Arts & Sciences | fax : (706) 542-3400 Information Analyst II | email: lclogan@zen.franklin.uga.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 06:34:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23427; Fri, 28 Oct 94 06:34:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08235; Fri, 28 Oct 94 06:24:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gmlink.gmeds.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08215; Fri, 28 Oct 94 06:23:43 -0700 Received: from earth (earth.troy.eng.eds.com) by gmlink.gmeds.com with SMTP id AA07591 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 1.1 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:17:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199410281317.AA07591@gmlink.gmeds.com> Received: from majorca (majorca.troy.eng.eds.com) by earth (4.1/AE-1.0) id AA04051; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:17:24 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Cross Subject: commericial mailers using imap To: pine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are there any commercial mailers that use imap? Seems I remember a thread about this a while back. Any help would be appreciated. thanks. ciao, Jason Cross EDS Troy, Mi. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 07:09:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24305; Fri, 28 Oct 94 07:09:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07446; Fri, 28 Oct 94 06:48:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gmlink.gmeds.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07416; Fri, 28 Oct 94 06:47:58 -0700 Received: from earth (earth.troy.eng.eds.com) by gmlink.gmeds.com with SMTP id AA25899 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 1.1 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199410281341.AA25899@gmlink.gmeds.com> Received: from majorca (majorca.troy.eng.eds.com) by earth (4.1/AE-1.0) id AA04551; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:41:56 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Cross Subject: Re: commericial mailers using imap To: pine In-Reply-To: <199410281317.AA07591@gmlink.gmeds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Let me add to this: are there any mac mailers, commercial or otherwise, that use IMAP? thanks again... ciao, Jason Cross EDS Troy, Mi. On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > Are there any commercial mailers that use imap? Seems > I remember a thread about this a while back. Any help > would be appreciated. thanks. > > > ciao, > Jason Cross > EDS > Troy, Mi. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 08:26:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26729; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:26:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10120; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:14:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10114; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:14:30 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25608; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:14:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jason Cross Cc: pine Subject: Re: commericial mailers using imap In-Reply-To: <199410281341.AA25899@gmlink.gmeds.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Let me add to this: are there any mac mailers, > commercial or otherwise, that use IMAP? thanks > again... Jason, See the file ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/imap.software ECSmail (commercial, still in testing), Mail Drop (Carl Bell at Baylor U.), Mailstrom (Adam Treister), and TWG Pathway Messenger (commercial) are the only Mac IMAP clients I know about. Alas, the current releases of the last three don't do MIME, and I haven't been able to get a copy of ECSmail yet. There is a development version of Mail Drop that has some MIME support, and it appears to be under active development, so it's worth taking a look at. (Of course, if you want to run MachTen on your Macs, you can run Unix Pine!) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 08:39:42 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27434; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:39:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09008; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:20:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08998; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:20:53 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <00239-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:02:33 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (940715.SGI.52/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA06674; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:04:46 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:04:45 +0000 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: pine Subject: Re: commericial mailers using imap In-Reply-To: <199410281341.AA25899@gmlink.gmeds.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ECSmail (commercial) uses IMAP. However I believe the Mac version is still in Beta Test. One of the share/freeware mailers (I *think* it was POPmail) uses POP2, POP3 or IMAP. However it uses IMAP in a POP-like way. That is, it DOSN'T use IMAP to access the mailstore remotely, but simply uses it to download the messages to your local hard disk and delete them from the server in the process. (ECSmail uses IMAP "properly"). Another FreeWare offering is Mailstrom (from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in a top level directory, NOT the info-mac directory tree). And I think Mark Crispin once mentioned another mailer (which now eludes my memory). If anyone knows of any others I'd be very interested (especially if they have modest memory requirements!) Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-432767 On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > Let me add to this: are there any mac mailers, > commercial or otherwise, that use IMAP? thanks > again... > > > ciao, > Jason Cross > EDS > Troy, Mi. > > On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Jason Cross wrote: > > > Are there any commercial mailers that use imap? Seems > > I remember a thread about this a while back. Any help > > would be appreciated. thanks. > > > > > > ciao, > > Jason Cross > > EDS > > Troy, Mi. > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 09:32:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00768; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:32:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11780; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:21:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11774; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:21:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0tlp-00000oC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) Subject: Re: setting up PC-PINE Date: 28 Oct 1994 15:01:04 GMT Message-Id: <38r3ng$99u@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <389a2d$con@pangea.ohionet.org> Don Prezioso (dprez@sol.ohionet.org) wrote: >Joseph J. Greenberg (jjg@humansyn.com) wrote: >: I am a neophyte pine user, at least on pc. I am trying to set up pc-pine to be >: used under trumpet winsock over a slip dial up connection. Can anybody explain >server, you should make sure that the IMAP server is running, or you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am trying to get it running. How can I tell if it is? Since it is invoked on demand by inetd, it doesn't show up as a process listed by 'ps -x'. Right?. Please expand on this subject. Thanks. --- Rod. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-8325 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 10:15:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03180; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:15:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11648; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:07:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11642; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:07:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0uV3-00000cC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeffs@stein1.u.washington.edu (Jeff Skone) Subject: Alternate INBOX Path Probs. Date: 28 Oct 1994 00:37:07 GMT Message-Id: <38ph3j$6a5@news.u.washington.edu> If you setup your inbox to be anything other than the default '/usr/spool/mail/$USER' how do you get PINE to prompt you about new mail upon login? Ordinarily, it'll say "You have mail." when you connect to the host. It doesn't do this anymore if you change your mail path--even when you make the change to .pinerc! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 11:12:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06082; Fri, 28 Oct 94 11:12:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14108; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:56:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14100; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:56:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0vH4-00000dC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Yinrong Huang Subject: Down/up- loading fast with zip Message-Id: <01HISAZPQ0S2A276L4@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 02:40:46 GMT msaaron@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Aaron Sittner) wrote in article : > Gentlemen: > > I have been using Pine since opening my e-mail/Internet > account - about a year ago - with "Pluto", a Unix machine > located at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Mount Scopus > Campus. > > Being partially disabled, I do 99 percent of my work with > Pluto from home, by modem. > > Because of the high cost of telephone time in Israel, I try > to keep my online time as brief as possible. > > I often receive long e-mail messages, which I must import > into my home PC for analysis and review. To do this, I first > "export" (via Pine) these messages to my "current directory" > in Pluto and then use the Unix "Get" command to import it > into my PC's hard disk ("c:\kermit" subdirectory). > > This process is slow considering the speed of my modem, 2400 > baud, and consumes quite a bit of costly online telephone > charges. > > A few days ago, all Pluto users were informed that a new > version of Pine -- 3.91 -- has been installed. From my > reading of the notes on this version, I thought I had noticed > a solution to my "problem", by use of setup-configuration. > However, though I tried, nothing has changed. > > Is there any command in Pine 3.91 that would enable me to > "export" some of my incoming messages DIRECTLY to my home PC > rather than to my "current directory" workspace in Pluto? > > > > Thank you. > > Aaron Sittner > > > (Before writing this letter, I attempted to get an answer > from local system operators. However, none of them seem to be > sufficiently familiar with the new version to advise me.) > I don't realize that how wonderful it could be in this free and democratic country, the United States of America. For me, all the local calls are free. No matter how long I keep on-line, my monthly premius covers it. However, I manage to save down/up- loading time by utilizing many programs across different platforms such as UNIX, VMS/VAX as well as DOS operating environment. I suggest that you use PINE program to manage mails if you have a lot emails everyday. After you read some and delete some unwanted emails, you quit the PINE program. And then, you run MAIL program and save all the emails into a file. After quiting the MAIL program, you use ZIP program on UNIX system with option -k. After zipping the mail file into a zipped file, you use binary transfer mode to transfer this zipped file to your PC where you can use PKUNZIP to unzip the zipped file into an ASCII/TEXT file. Summary of the above paragraph: 1. Use pine program to manage emails. (BTW, can we save all the mails into a file under PINE?) 2. Use mail program to save all emails into a file. (just use 's * file_name under mail prompt.) 3. run zip with -k option under Unix prompt. (zip -k zipped_file_name, file_name_in_step_2.) 4. Use binary file transfer mode to transfer from Unix account to your PC (such as kermit). 5. delete zipped_file_name and file_name_in_step_2 from your unix account. 6. use pkunzip under DOS system to unzip the downloaded zipped file into a TEXT file. (you can do this off-line or on-line such as shelling out). As to uploading, you basically reverse the above procedure. However, you need unzip program under UNIX system to unzip uploaded zipped file into ASCII/TEXT file(s). PLEASE DON'T forget to include -a option with unzip otherwise you will run into trouble. What I introduced above can save you about 60% of downloading/uploading time if original files are ASCII/TEXT files. Well, time is money, isn't it? Hopefully, this can give you some ideas about how to save time and money. Yinrong Huang Thursday October 27, 1994, 09:33pm CST USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Work: (314) 658-3915 Department of Biology | | Fax: (314) 658-3117 St. Louis University | | E-mail: Huangy@sluvca.slu.edu St. Louis, MO 63104 | | E-mail: huangy@sluaxa.slu.edu U. S. A. | | * * * * This email ONLY represents my own personal viewpoints. * * * * | | * * * Use or misuse or abuse of this email is your own decision. * * * | | * * * * * I disclaim everything resulting from this email. * * * * * * | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 12:23:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09458; Fri, 28 Oct 94 12:23:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14541; Fri, 28 Oct 94 12:12:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14535; Fri, 28 Oct 94 12:12:36 -0700 Received: (from tm1@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA26669; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:12:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Tin-Mala Subject: Printing batches of e-mails To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible in pine to mark several messages in the inbox (or any folder) and print all of them in one batch with a single print command? Pl. respond with reference to both Pine 3.89 and .90 as we're using both versions on our campus. Tin-Mala * * * * * Tel: 202-994-8637 * I virtually live in cyberspace * Fax: 301-365-3666 * * * E-mail: tm1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 13:35:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12630; Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:35:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16330; Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:20:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16324; Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:20:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0xSN-00000dC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 12:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Todd Idler Subject: PC-Pine vs other IMAP software Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:06:41 -0900 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm currently a PC-Pine user, but I'm looking for information on other DOS and Windows software supporting IMAP. I've found the file containing the inventory of known software on the ftp.cac.washington.edu server, but unfortunately, most all of the software must be purchased before it can be tested. If anyone has experience with DOS/Windows IMAP applications, would you please write to the email address below. Comparisons with PC-Pine would be especially helpful. This will give me a starting place to do my own comparisons. Thanks. Todd Idler DOS/Novell Group University of Colorado Todd.Idler@Colorado.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 14:19:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14467; Fri, 28 Oct 94 14:19:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18430; Fri, 28 Oct 94 14:01:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18424; Fri, 28 Oct 94 14:00:58 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa00946; 28 Oct 94 17:00 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA19183; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:00:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:00:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Tin-Mala Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Printing batches of e-mails In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Tin-Mala wrote: > Is it possible in pine to mark several messages in the inbox (or any > folder) and print all of them in one batch with a single print command? > Pl. respond with reference to both Pine 3.89 and .90 as we're using both > versions on our campus. > Tin-Mala * * * * * With Pine 3.90 or 3.91, you can select ( ";" ) a group of messages and then Apply Print ( "A Y" ) to them. ( Or, as I sometimes also do, Apply pipe ("|") to a unix command ( "enscript -2 -r -G -bSubject" )) I don't know if there is a way in 3.89 to do that. Why don't you upgrade all to 3.91 ? ( a good idea for several other reasons - several big fixes, etc. ) -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 15:47:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18171; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:47:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19498; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:43:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from KING.kcls.lib.wa.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19492; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:43:04 -0700 Received: from rain by king.kcls.lib.wa.us (5.4R3.00/200.1.1.4) id AA11322; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:40:45 -0700 Received: by rain (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04468; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:42:39 +0800 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "0000-Admin(0000)" Subject: Upgrading to 3.9x question. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 193 What will happen to my users if I upgrade from Pine 3.89 to 3.92? Will they lose their old mail, will they need to do anything? Thanks for any info. Greg padden King County Library System From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 15:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA18377; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:54:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20646; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:50:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ucssun1.sdsu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20640; Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:50:43 -0700 Received: (barmstro@localhost) by ucssun1.sdsu.edu (8.6.8/8.6.7) id PAA24325; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:50:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: armstrong Subject: Anything To: Pine Info Cc: Armstrong Brian Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please send me a letter or information of some kind. I don't care what it is just make it interesting... please. Thank you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 19:50:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26140; Fri, 28 Oct 94 19:50:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24390; Fri, 28 Oct 94 19:45:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24384; Fri, 28 Oct 94 19:45:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r13Ua-00000aC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 19:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cbd@armory.com (Christopher Durham) Subject: Searcdhing for Macintosh Imap/Pine client Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 01:08:26 GMT The subject says it all. I am also looking for an already-compiled pine client for FTP software's PC/TCP. Any help would be appreciated. I do not read this newsgroup, please email me. thanks. -- -Christopher Durham cbd@deeptht.armory.com "...I think that when statesmen forsake their private conscience for the sake of their public duties, they lead their country by a short route to chaos." -Sir Thomas More to Cardinal Woolsey in _A Man for All Seasons_ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 20:21:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26944; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:21:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24277; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:17:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24271; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:17:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r142q-00000XC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Does Pine support binhex or mime? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:13:31 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine supports MIME. The attachment will be accessible via the 'v', ViewAttachment command in the message view screen. The exact syntax from there varies slightly depending on the version of Pine... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Damon Brodie wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 OCT 1994 22:35:07 ATLANTIC > From: Damon Brodie > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Does Pine support binhex or mime? > > Hi, > > I'm trying to send some rather large files to a friend via email. I'm using > Euroda in Windows, which will encode attachements with both MIME and BinHex. > > He is using pine 3.91 (It think) on, I assume, UNIX. > > Can he decode either of those formats? If not then we have to resort to > uuencoding, and I don't want to do that. > > If it can be done, can you tell me [specifically] how to get at the attached > file with pine.... > > Thanks for your help, and please respond via e-mail.... > > Thanks in Advance. > > Damon Brodie > ___________________________________________________ > | e-mail me at: | | > | dbrodie@nbnet.nb.ca | Economics | > | n0di@unb.ca | University of New Brunswick | > |_____________________|_____________________________| > | | > | Do you use TD's MicroMax software, and have | > | Windows? E-Mail me for information on WinQuote | > | THE alternative to quote retrieval. | > |___________________________________________________| > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Oct 28 20:25:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27056; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:25:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24877; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:22:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24871; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:22:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r146i-00000ZC; Fri, 28 Oct 94 20:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matthew Osborne Subject: .signature at top, not bottom Date: 28 Oct 1994 16:02:22 GMT Message-Id: <38r7ae$ifr@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Hi, I am using pine again, because elm chowns my mailbox and can't chown it back etc.. Anyways, how can I get my .signature to be placed automagically at the BOTTOM of the message instead of the top? -- ============================================================================== = Matt O s b o r n e (gama)= = "Practise safe TeX, use LaTeX"-unknown = = mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca = send flames to /dev/null = ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 01:29:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03267; Sat, 29 Oct 94 01:29:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28121; Sat, 29 Oct 94 01:21:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28115; Sat, 29 Oct 94 01:21:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r18kB-00000xC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 01:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 27 Oct 1994 22:33:50 GMT Message-Id: <38p9se$drk@news.halcyon.com> Archive-name: signature_finger_faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 27 October 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS | / \ | Telling the World Who You Are | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.4 Ways to Read this Article 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below ... 1.3 Elm ... 1.4 Mail ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E ... 1.7 NN ... 1.8 GNUS ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You ... 2.5 Backfinger Script ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files 4.0 Organization Header ... 4.1 Pnews, RN, TRN, STRN ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above ... 4.3 Elm ... 4.4 NN 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article Your signature, finger files, and Organization header are three ways you can tell people more about yourself. This article describes how to set these up for Unix systems and various newsreaders and mailers. This article is posted approximately once a month. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. This collection of articles is first published in 1994 and is copyrighted by Nancy McGough (except subjects 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, and 2.4 which are Copyright (c) 1994 by the authors named in the sections). No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the authors. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements Thanks to these people who contributed digest items: Jym Dyer Mike Northam + Janet Rosenbaum Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: + Jeff Blaine Stephen Cristol + Terry Gray + Sven Guckes David L Miller + Skip Montanaro Sid Weinstein Thanks to these people who've written documents or programs that are pointed to in this article. (This list is not complete right now....) + Bob Allison + Piero Serini + Bill Wohler + Doug Stevenson + Scott A. Yanoff Special thanks to: + Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of USENET FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! + means new since last time. Please let me know if I've forgotten you or anyone else! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/signature_finger_faq ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Ways to Read this Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to use a Web browser (Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, Cello, etc.) to view the HTML version. This will allow you to easily jump: * between sections of this article * to an URL * to an RFC * to a man page This and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/signature_finger_faq/faq.html If you are reading the plain text version of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format and you may be able to use your newsreader or mailer to easily skip to a subject you're interested in. * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split a digested article by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed simultaneously) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/Folders/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/Folders/faq.split. (Replace ~/Folders with your folder directory.) pine -if ~/Folders/faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) and procmail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Automatic Signature - Basic Unix Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- pico ~/.signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. In Pico you use ^X to exit and answer y when asked if you want to save your changes. chmod 644 ~/.signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l ~/.signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x ~ Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld ~ Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la ~ Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. Trn, Tin, and many other newsreaders and mailers automatically append your .signature file (if it exists) to messages. If you use Pine, Elm, Mail, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, NN, or GNUS follow the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and Distribution ``local'' to save bandwidth). Note that many newsreaders and mailers add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have a problem with your sig see section 1.9 on Troubleshooting. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.1 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine The default for Pine 3.90 and above is to automatically append ~/.signature (if it exists) to your messages. Many people like to set the signature-at-bottom variable which will put your signature below both your message and the message you are replying to (if you've included it). Note that if you are forwarding a message your signature will be put below the message that your write but above the forwarded message. To change Pine's signature features: 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Space bar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. 4. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ means your $HOME directory. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.2 Pine 3.89 and Below Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Pine 3.89 often want to edit their ~/.pinerc file so that it contains the following: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they need to be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom Note that Pine's default is to use ~/.signature for your signature so you only need to edit the following line if you are using a different file. signature-file= SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of Elm should edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:40 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.4 Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.misc By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" SEE ALSO ======== Manual pages: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:50 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.5 Emacs Mail Mode By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:60 GMT From: Jym Dyer Subject: ... 1.6 MH and Emacs MH-E Followup-To: comp.mail.mh By Jym Dyer, 1 April 1994 =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. SEE ALSO ======== MH FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html MH Manual: mh(1) MH Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:70 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.7 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of NN should edit their ~/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post off Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news transport (such as inews) automatically appends ~/.signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:80 GMT From: Mike Northam Subject: ... 1.8 GNUS Followup-To: gnu.emacs.gnus Copyright (c) 1994 Mike Northam In addition to the basic signature instructions in 1.0 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroup: gnu.emacs.gnus ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:01:90 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 1.9 Troubleshooting Signature Problems A common problem people have with .signature (and .plan, .project, and .forward ) files is that the permissions are not set correctly. Check to make sure that you have set the permissions as instructed in 1.0 above. If you still are having problems read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string "signature". There may be a variable you need to set in order for the ~/.signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [spacebar] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) For more information on reading manual pages see the man(1) and less(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Finger - Basic Unix Instructions People around the world can find out more about you by "fingering" you. This is done by typing the following at a Unix prompt: finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name On many systems finger is linked to f so the following also works: f YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name Finger displays different information on different systems. Often it will display your full name, your default shell, when your were last logged on, and your ~/.plan and ~/.project files. If you finger someone and the display takes more than one page you can pipe the output through less (or more if you don't have less). For example the following displays information about recent earthquakes one page at a time. finger spyder@dmc.iris.washington.edu |less ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 URLs for Fingering In addition to using the finger or f command you can finger people through a Web browser. The following is a form that Doug Stevenson created: http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/finger.pl You can also use this URL: gopher://fully.qualified.domain.name:79/0userid ^ Note: 0 precedes the userid ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. After you have changed your information check that they are in place by fingering yourself. Also to see a different display of your information type the following at your Unix prompt: finger This displays a one line description of everyone currently logged on your system. For more information see the chfn(1), passwd(1), and finger(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project Your ~/.project and ~/.plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a ~/.signature file (described in 1.0 above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- pico ~/.plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 ~/.plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l ~/.plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x ~ Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld ~ Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la ~ Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). To test your changes finger yourself by type each of the following at your Unix prompt: finger YourUserID finger YourUserID@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name To ensure that people from other systems can finger you you should ask a friend who's not on your system to finger you too. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.4 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For details see the news.answers article "Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting]", subject "4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me?" This article is archived in a number of places including these two sites: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/unix-faq/faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/part4 One easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu ~/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's interesting to see when the last time someone was checking on me! [Note that under AFS (Andrew File System, a distributed filesystem), ls -lu ~/.plan will not work due to the fact that AFS has no notion of ``atime'', or ``last accessed time''. ( -Jeff Blaine)] ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:50 GMT From: Janet Rosenbaum Subject: ... 2.5 Backfinger Script Copyright (c) 1994 Janet Rosenbaum There is a script available called, among other things, backfinger, planner, and finger_logger (flogger or frogger, for short). This script makes your plan into a named pipe (just think of this as a sort of pipe used with plumbing that opens out onto the screen of the person who is fingering you (fred)) so that when it is accessed, it looks for a program from which to get something to stick on fred's screen. The script is called when you are fingered. At that moment, it looks to the finger port of your unix machine and sees which machine fred is on, logs that machine's IP number and hostname, and the date. The script can then execute a command to spit a plan out on fred's screen. (One might get creative and write a program that generates random poetry or use the fortune program or just do "cat plan_file".) To make fred think you are really cool, it also tells him what machine he is fingering you from. Some caveats: -- This program must be running at all times on your system even when you are logged out. Leaving a background process like this annoys most sys admins to no end, especially on systems with high load. Do **not** run the program unless you are sure that you are allowed to run background processes like this. -- Also, if you decide you want to stop running this program, remove your .plan file as soon as you kill the process. If you do not do this, all finger processes for you will hang. -- This script only tells you the machine fred is fingering you from, not his actual username. It is nearly impossible to get this information except at sites with bad security. Given the above, I will distribute the script to those who can use it, mostly for educational reasons. I admit that I no longer run the program, since my two main accounts are on rather high-load systems. Nevertheless, I learned quite a lot from modifying these scripts and otherwise playing with these ideas. Here is the web site: http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jrosen/scripts/logger.src I will also try to post this answer and the program to comp.sources.misc at least monthly for those without web access. (For those who have not figured out the web, try the program lynx if you are on a vt100 or vt220 type terminal. If you are on an xterm or hpterm, look for xmosaic.) Note: I am not the author of this program. The version I distribute is virtually identical to that distributed by Steve Franklin. Here are the real authors: Author: Tony Rems (rembo@unisoft.com) Modifications by Geoff Loker (geoff@mdms.moore.com). More modifications by Karen Bruner (napalm@ugcs.caltech.edu). Even more modifications by Norman Franke (franke1@llnl.gov). More revisions by Steve Franklin Llamas and minor revision by The Blue One Enjoy! Janet -- Janet Rosenbaum: ejrosen@merle.acns.nwu.edu, jerosenb@fas.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:02:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.6 Interesting Places to Finger Scott Yanoff's "Updated Internet Services" contains a number of interesting places to finger. If you access it through the following URL all the finger commands are hotspots. http://www.uwm.edu/Mirror/inet.services.html ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Putting Ascii Art in your Signature and Finger Files It is considered good netiquette to keep your signature to four lines or less. And many news transports, like inews, will not post an article that has a signature with more than four lines in it. So, put large graphics, your life story, etc. in your finger files or in your Web pages and point people to them in your signature. A good source of art for your signature and finger files is the ascii art FAQ which contains (among others) these topics: 9 Where can I find ASCII art? 22 How do I put an animation in my plan? 23 How do I make a sig? 24 How do I have my sig automatically added to my posts and email? The Ascii Art FAQ can be found at either of these: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/faq.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ascii-art-faq/faq.html One particularly good place to find ascii art is: http://gagme.wwa.com/~boba/scarecrow.html SEE ALSO ======== Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii, alt.ascii-art, alt.binaries.pictures.ascii and alt.ascii-art.animation ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Organization Header The Organization header is another way you can tell people about yourself. It is an optional header in mail and news messages described in RFC1036, "Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages," section 2.2.8. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:04:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.1 Pnews, RN, TRN, STRN Followup-To: news.software.readers The rn family of tools gets information for the Organization header from the ORGANIZATION environment variable if it exists. In the csh or tcsh you can set this variable in your ~/.login with a line like this: setenv ORGANIZATION "Your Organization Name" After you edit your ~/.login you can establish the setting by either logging out and loggin back in or by typing the following at your Unix prompt: source ~/.login To check that the variable is set type: printenv After it is set, post a test message to a local test newsgroup with local distribution to check that the Organization header is correct. SEE ALSO ======== Manual Pages: Pnews(1), rn(1), trn(1), strn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.readers ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:04:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.2 Pine 3.90 and Above Followup-To: comp.mail.pine In Pine 3.90 or above you set the Organization and other headers using the customized-hdrs variable. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the value of the customized-hdrs variable: a) Space bar and arrow down to the customized-hdrs variable. b) Type a for Add Value c) At the prompt type: Organization: Your Organization Name Note that if you have set the ORGANIZATION environment variable you can type: Organization: $ORGANIZATION While reading a message that you've received you can view all the headers by typing h. If h does not work you need to go to your configuration menu and set the enable-full-header-cmd variable. Note that the customized-hdrs variable is not available in Pine 3.89 and below. SEE ALSO ======== Pine FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Pine Manual: pine(1) Pine Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:04:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.3 Elm Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Use your editor to create a file named ~/.elm/elmheaders that contains any headers you'd like in your outgoing mail messages. For example, my ~/.elm/elmheaders file contains this one line: Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, WA, USA SEE ALSO ======== Elm FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/FAQ/faq.html Elm Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:04:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 4.4 NN Followup-To: news.software.nn Use your editor to put the following lines in your ~/.nn/init file: set news-header Organization: Your Organization Name set mail-header Organization: Your Organization Name This will add the Organization header to both news and mail messages sent from NN. While reading messages with NN you can view the Organization line by adding O (the letter "oh") to your header-lines variable setting. I like the following setting: set header-lines AFOnWK*Y SEE ALSO ======== FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please mail them to me (nancym@ii.com). End of signature_finger_faq Digest ********************************** -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 02:09:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04222; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:09:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29373; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:07:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29367; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:07:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r19PY-00000xC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 01:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov (Stefan Chakerian) Subject: Re: kill file?????? Date: 28 Oct 1994 16:28:34 -0600 Message-Id: <38rtui$9r8@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov> References: <38oonj$i86@news.duke.edu> <38oqik$52d@news.umbc.edu> Gunther Anderson wrote: >: John Jones (john@iluvatar.tip.duke.edu) wrote: >: : Is is possible to create a kill file for incoming mail in Pine 3.9? Some of those programs are procmail and elm's filter program. >None of these, of course, could provide a killfile approach for Pine's >newsreading system. Is there any way to do kills for newsreading? I assume threading may be implemented someday, but killfiles are a necessity. stef -- Stefan Chakerian Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 02:51:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04908; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:51:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29138; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:48:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29132; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:48:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1A7t-00001NC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjr@netaxs.com (Mark Rosen) Subject: Amex office Date: 29 Oct 1994 01:06:03 GMT Message-Id: <38s75r$e7n@netaxs.com> Can I send email to an American Express office in, say, Paris, to a friend of mine that I know will be checking in there at a specific time? Thanks for any help, and if you don't know the answer to this question, maybe you could point me to a better newsgroup to ask this question in? Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark J. Rosen "Keep looking up!" -- Jack mjr@netaxs.com Horkheimer, Star Hustler From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 02:55:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04974; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:55:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29201; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:52:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29195; Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:52:34 -0700 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA05412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:52:31 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:52:31 +0100 (MET) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: [Q] IMAP Disconnected Access for IMAP2bis? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just started to make a client for disconnected access using IMAP2bis when I stumbled into the draft RFC "IMAP4 Disconnected Access". Are there people who already tried this before me (using IMAP2[bis] of course)? If yes, could you share your copy with us, since that would save me a lot of work? Thanks, Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 04:07:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07155; Sat, 29 Oct 94 04:07:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00838; Sat, 29 Oct 94 04:04:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00832; Sat, 29 Oct 94 04:04:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1BJ2-00000cC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 03:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Subject: What's new in Pine3.91 Date: 25 Oct 1994 05:46:17 GMT Message-Id: <38i639$so1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Hello can someone post what's new in pine3.91 versus pine3.89? -- => Somebody ==> at ===> Prairienet ==> somebody@prairienet.org System Admin. for the East Illinois Freenet => Try Prairienet telnet prairienet.org or call (217) 255-9000 login: visitor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 06:16:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09445; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:16:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02146; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:12:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02140; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:12:01 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 21:08:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:08:42 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Mark Rosen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Amex office In-Reply-To: <38s75r$e7n@netaxs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Oct 1994, Mark Rosen wrote: > Can I send email to an American Express office in, say, Paris, to a > friend of mine that I know will be checking in there at a specific time? > Thanks for any help, and if you don't know the answer to this question, > maybe you could point me to a better newsgroup to ask this question in? Call 1-800-528-4800. It is the toll free number for Amex. I know this is a "low tech" solution....but..... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 06:21:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09539; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:21:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02211; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:18:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02205; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:18:07 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 21:14:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:14:51 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Terry Gray Cc: Jason Cross , pine Subject: Re: commericial mailers using imap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > ECSmail (commercial, still in testing), Mail Drop (Carl Bell at Baylor U.), > Mailstrom (Adam Treister), and TWG Pathway Messenger (commercial) are the > only Mac IMAP clients I know about. Alas, the current releases of the last > three don't do MIME, and I haven't been able to get a copy of ECSmail yet. > There is a development version of Mail Drop that has some MIME support, and > it appears to be under active development, so it's worth taking a look at. Ahhh, not quite right. ISA, the ECSmail folks, have a commercially available product now. They have their next generation product in beta test. The last time I tested it I felt it needed yet another round or two before it is ready for prime time. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 06:23:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09576; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:23:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02239; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:20:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02233; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:20:43 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 21:17:30 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:17:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Matthew Osborne Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom In-Reply-To: <38r7ae$ifr@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Oct 1994, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Hi, I am using pine again, because elm chowns my mailbox and > can't chown it back etc.. Anyways, how can I get my .signature to be > placed automagically at the BOTTOM of the message instead of the top? Assuming you are using pine 3.90 or above....it is as simple as. [X] signature-at-bottom in the Configuration menu. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 06:28:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09637; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:28:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02296; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:24:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02290; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:24:48 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 21:21:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:21:35 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Raul Gomez Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME problem In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Raul Gomez wrote: > Somebody sent me a formatted file (WordPerfect) as an attachment using > Pine 3.91. When I try to read it I get the following: > > [Don't know how to display attachment format Application/ > OCTET-STREAM} > Am I doing something wrong ? Any help ? You need to save the attachment to a file and then envoke WordPerfect to display it. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 06:38:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09808; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:38:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02416; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:35:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02410; Sat, 29 Oct 94 06:35:21 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 21:32:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:32:08 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: acep Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Another filter question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 23 Oct 1994, acep wrote: > I've got filter to save mail sent directly to me into an incoming folder > other than INBOX, but I don't seem to be getting any of my usual mailing > list messages (some of which I get fifty a day) in my normal INBOX. I've > tested it by disabling my .forward file for about 10 minutes and in that > time I received about three mailing list messages. What am I doing wrong? Talking to the "pine" group that doesn't care about the "elm" filter program? :-) :-) Couple of questions. 1. Are you getting the "filtered" email? 2. What does your .forward look like? 3. What is your filter-rules file? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 07:19:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10365; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:19:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02849; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:15:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02837; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:15:34 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:12:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 22:12:19 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Neil Rickert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't compile pine 3.91 under solaris 2.3 and g cc In-Reply-To: <383shh$dg6@ux.cs.niu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > Yes. It is a pain. > > The authors seem to have the insane idea that one can #include a few > system header files, then #define const (i.e. redefine 'const' to > the empty string), and finally #include other header files. The > compiler didn't like the type incompatibilities that this > introduced. Considering a previous thread, we all know how much you dislike pine. (Wonder why you seemingly waste you time on something you seemingly detest.) But, if you are going to answer questions in this group it would be refreshing if you would refrain from launching into an unprovoked diatribe. Your suggestions may hold merit. Yet, you should try something called "constructive criticism". Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 07:47:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10822; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:47:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03243; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:44:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03237; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:44:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Ei6-00000mC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 07:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dhelder@bursley. (David Helder) Subject: pine-bin files, what do I do with them? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:14:00 Message-Id: I've downloaded pine 3.91 for linux. When I untar it, I get a 2 meg file called pine-bin.[something]. What do I do with this file? There's probably a simple, obvious solution, but I don't see it. -David -------------------------------------------------------------------- David Helder - University of Michigan dhelder@umich.edu Computers are the Evil Minions of Satan! viva la Solo! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 08:23:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11444; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:23:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03664; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:18:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03658; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:18:58 -0700 Received: from localhost by mp.cs.niu.edu with SMTP id AA15483 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:18:51 -0500 To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't compile pine 3.91 under solaris 2.3 and g cc In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Oct 1994 22:12:19 -0800." Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:18:50 -0500 Message-Id: <15481.783443930@mp.cs.niu.Edu> From: Neil W Rickert >On 19 Oct 1994, Neil Rickert wrote: > >> Yes. It is a pain. >> >> The authors seem to have the insane idea that one can #include a few >> system header files, then #define const (i.e. redefine 'const' to >> the empty string), and finally #include other header files. The >> compiler didn't like the type incompatibilities that this >> introduced. > Your suggestions may hold merit. Yet, you should try something >called "constructive criticism". -NWR I tried that method. I privately reported this problem on 3.90. I received a polite reply suggesting 3.91 would be better. Given that 3.91 was no better, and perhaps worse, I am resorting to public embarrassment as the only available constructive method. '#define const' is an ugly hack. It should never appear in public releases. At least put 'CONST' in place of 'const' in all of your own declarations, and control it with '#define CONST'. Redefining a standard keyword is a terrible practice. -NWR From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 08:39:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11730; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:39:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03901; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:36:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA03895; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:36:45 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02121; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:36:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: Jason Cross , pine Subject: Re: commericial mailers using imap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Oct 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > ISA, the ECSmail folks, have a commercially available product now. > They have their next generation product in beta test. The last time > I tested it I felt it needed yet another round or two before it is > ready for prime time. Thanks for the correction, Ed. I knew the Windows version (2.x) was in "released" status, but I hadn't heard that the Mac version was. And I did get a note from the ISA folks yesterday confirming that 3.0 was still in testing. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 08:52:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12024; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:52:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04247; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:49:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04241; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:49:26 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02283; Sat, 29 Oct 94 08:49:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 08:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Richard Kooijman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Q] IMAP Disconnected Access for IMAP2bis? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Oct 1994, Richard Kooijman wrote: > I just started to make a client for disconnected access using IMAP2bis > when I stumbled into the draft RFC "IMAP4 Disconnected Access". Are there > people who already tried this before me (using IMAP2[bis] of course)? If > yes, could you share your copy with us, since that would save me a lot of > work? Richard, Versions of IMAP prior to IMAP4 lack an essential ingredient for disconnected operation, namely the "Unique IDentifier" for messages that persists across sessions. To date, Sun's ROAM product is the only one I know about that uses IMAP disconnected operation, and it was developed in parallel with the IMAP4 spec, so it doesn't match the spec exactly yet (but will be brought into full compliance.) CMU already has their IMAP4 server in late Beta testing, and we will have one before too long, so I can't think of any reason not to base your project on IMAP4. (IMAP4 is already an Internet Proposed Standard.) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 09:19:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12526; Sat, 29 Oct 94 09:19:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04378; Sat, 29 Oct 94 09:16:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from julian.uwo.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04372; Sat, 29 Oct 94 09:15:58 -0700 Received: from pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca by julian.uwo.ca with SMTP id AA22543; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:15:57 -0400 Received: by pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09758; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 11:10:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 11:10:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Osborne Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, where can I get the newest version of pine? I am only using 3.89 right now.. ============================================================================== = Matt O s b o r n e (gama)= = "Practise safe TeX, use LaTeX"-unknown = = mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca = send flames to /dev/null = ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 10:24:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA13841; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:24:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05356; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:21:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05344; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:21:33 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04100; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:21:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:40:25 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Aaron Sittner Cc: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Aaron Sittner wrote: > A few days ago, all Pluto users were informed that a new > version of Pine -- 3.91 -- has been installed. From my > reading of the notes on this version, I thought I had noticed > a solution to my "problem", by use of setup-configuration. > However, though I tried, nothing has changed. > > > (Before writing this letter, I attempted to get an answer > from local system operators. However, none of them seem to be > sufficiently familiar with the new version to advise me.) You should ask the local admin to make pc-pine available. That will certainly help you out. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 11:07:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14704; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:07:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05865; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:04:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05859; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:04:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1HnF-00000PC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Mail formatter needed Message-Id: <3XWTBAYK@math.fu-berlin.de> References: <386hft$bl7@omni.voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 03:01:18 GMT psti@omni.voicenet.com (John Allegrezza) writes: >I am looking for a mail formatter for our UNIX mail messages. What I >need is a tool to filter our the garbage in the mail header keeping only >From, Date, Subject field and nicely formatting the mail body leaving >possible mail footer/signature un-touched. man perl Sven [Hey, it's only 7200 lines.] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 11:12:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14792; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:12:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05942; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:10:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05936; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:10:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Hys-00000ZC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE solution Date: 29 Oct 1994 13:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: <38u0v7$juu@angel.cs.unc.edu> References: <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> In article <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Michael Lawless wrote: >This was sent to me regarding PGP and Pine. I set it up as per the directions, >and it work's like a charm. I take no credit for this, just reposting it. Note that this script needs extensive work to run under AIX. I haven't yet had a chance to play with it, but simply making the conversions the author suggests for SysV operating systems is not sufficient. When I get a chance I'll try making some changes to it and get it to work. But if anyone has scripts that work under AIX, I'd be glad to receive them. Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 11:13:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14813; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:13:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05800; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:10:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05794; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:10:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Hyp-00000YC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 10:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: Re: Does Pine support binhex or mime? Date: 29 Oct 1994 13:28:29 -0400 Message-Id: <38u0nt$jtn@angel.cs.unc.edu> References: In article , Damon Brodie wrote: >I'm trying to send some rather large files to a friend via email. I'm using >Euroda in Windows, which will encode attachements with both MIME and BinHex. > >He is using pine 3.91 (It think) on, I assume, UNIX. > >Can he decode either of those formats? If not then we have to resort to >uuencoding, and I don't want to do that. Pine does MIME, and quite well. BinHex is generally a Macintosh-oriented encoding technique, and though WinEudora supports it (mainly for complete compatibility with Eudora for Macintosh) the tools necessary to use BinHex in Unix are unfortunately rather cumbersome. What you really need to think about is where your associate will be finally using the files. If he will be downloading it from his Unix account where he runs Pine to a Macintosh, then BinHex is probably useful. (You can encode in BinHex, and then in MIME, of course, and that's what you'll want to do in this case.) Otherwise, use MIME alone without the BinHex encoding. BinHex merely preserves the resource fork that all Macintosh files need along with the data fork common in all operating systems. >If it can be done, can you tell me [specifically] how to get at the attached >file with pine.... When your associate views the email you have sent, Pine will inform him that the mail he is viewing has MIME attachments. He can then press "V" to view or save the attachments. Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 11:28:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15069; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:28:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05995; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:24:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05989; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:24:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1IBO-00000PC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Subject: test Date: 29 Oct 1994 12:58:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9410291859.AA05937@lipschitz.sfasu.edu> test post by email. Sorry... -- kc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 12:10:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15848; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:10:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06605; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:06:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06599; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:06:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Imr-00000dC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 11:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: greig@atlantis.Colorado.EDU (David Iain Greig) Subject: Pine 3.91 compile problem on StunOS 4.1.1 + workaround Date: 28 Oct 1994 21:06:42 GMT Message-Id: <38rp52$22s@lace.Colorado.EDU> When building Pine, I was getting a problem with using the -ldl flag for ld. This should have included dynamic linking in Pine, but there is only a libdl.so.1.0 file in /lib, not the libdl.sa.1.0 that ld was looking for. (As an error message stated at link-time.) I removed the -ldl flag and recompiled. It seems to have worked. Go figure. Just thought I'd mention it. I may be missing lib files, this is an old Sun. If there are any important things I should know, please email, as I do not read this group. --D. greig@challenger.colorado.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 12:34:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16332; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:34:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06933; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:31:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06927; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:31:17 -0700 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA20286; Sat, 29 Oct 94 14:30:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 14:30:33 -0500 (CDT) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@pear To: Pine Info List Subject: Printing X2 (fwd) [86] (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, all, a bunch of my users are having printing problems with 3.91 when printing to their local printers. Any suggestions? Hussain Chinoy, System Admin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 12:17:01 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: Robert E. Morrell To: ASCONNECT Subject: Printing X2 (fwd) [86] Help!!! Things are now even worse than they were a month ago when I posted the msg below. Now I get the message :Could not Open Printer. Printing aborted. Thanks Bob M ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 08:38:48 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: Robert E. Morrell To: ASCONNECT Subject: Printing X2 Since everyone has been so helpful, perhaps I will try another question -- which, I suspect, others may also have. The printer attached to my home PC (LaserJet 4L) invariably spits out a blank page every time I press "Y" to print. I am using Procomm+ in Windows and my artsci option is "ansi-to-printer." I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Bob M From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 12:40:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16460; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:40:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06900; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:35:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06894; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:35:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1JIG-00001DC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 12:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: agulleru@cern06. (Arne Gullerud) Subject: Pine on wyse30? Help? Date: 29 Oct 94 19:09:53 GMT Message-Id: I just got a "new" dumb terminal -- a wyse30. My "old" terminal was a "TAB" terminal which had a nice vt100 emulation mode which let pine work nicely. However, I am having troubles with the wyse30. I am running it off an HP700 workstation, and I set the environment variable as wy30. Pine seems to start O.k., but the reversing gets screwed up, and pine oftern (particularly in the index page) scrolls up a line when it shouldn't, which screws up the whole screen. Any suggestions or anyone who has the remotest experience with this? I have just started using pine as my major newsreader and I rely on it at work, so I would really like it to work on my home-bound dumb terminal. Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Please respond by email, and I will post the findings if anyone cares. -Arne Gulleru (arne@uiuc.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 13:35:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA17760; Sat, 29 Oct 94 13:35:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07807; Sat, 29 Oct 94 13:33:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07801; Sat, 29 Oct 94 13:32:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1K9I-000017C; Sat, 29 Oct 94 13:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mikenel@netcom.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Global Address Books Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 04:17:12 GMT What @*#$!! permissions should I set on the global address book and associated lookup index file? I am using Pine 3.90 (will upgrade when I get some free time). I have a program that updates the global addressbook every night based on the user list... is there anyway I can update this externally (i.e. without someone going into Pine)? Right now it complains about not being able to update the index file... HELP! -- Mike -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael Nelson | mikenel@netcom.com Rockville, Maryland | mikenel@newport.org PGP Public Key: Finger or ftp.netcom.com:/pub/mikenel/pubkey.asc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 15:49:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20082; Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:49:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09265; Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:45:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09259; Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:45:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1MG1-00000fC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sofsky@midget.towson.edu (Frank Sofsky) Subject: Pine Config. with Tin Date: 25 Oct 1994 12:15:43 GMT Message-Id: <38istf$5sg@news.umbc.edu> I changed my config. file in Pine, yet when I post something it does not reflect these changes. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 16:05:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20336; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:05:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09442; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:01:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09436; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:01:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1MVK-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ces@christa.unh.edu (Christan E Schoenfeld) Subject: Changing the decode work directory??? Date: 25 Oct 1994 12:28:59 GMT Message-Id: <38itmb$4t0@mozz.unh.edu> How do I make it so pine uses an alternate directory to use as a workspace when decoding files? -- __________________________________________________________________________ |Chris E. Schoenfeld | University of New Hampshire | |Communications / PoliSci Major | Look to the Cookie! | |_________________________________|________________________________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 16:43:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21137; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:43:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09949; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:40:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09943; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:40:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1N5L-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dshaw@martha. (RaGNaRoK) Subject: Installing pine under DG/UX? Date: 25 Oct 1994 04:23:25 GMT Message-Id: <38i17t$ihi@martha.washcoll.edu> I am trying to install pine on a DG/UX system from Data General. I've tried several options with the build file and none of them seem to work. Anybody know one of the system configs that WILL compile on a DGUX system? Replies through email would be appreciated. Please direct them to dshaw@martha.washcoll.edu since this msg is listed as from dshaw@martha. TIA Doug From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 16:53:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21297; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:53:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09999; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:49:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09993; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:49:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1NDP-00000kC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 16:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lawless@sea.geog.ucsb.edu (Michael Lawless) Subject: PGP & PINE solution Date: 28 Oct 1994 23:19:31 GMT Message-Id: <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> This was sent to me regarding PGP and Pine. I set it up as per the directions, and it work's like a charm. I take no credit for this, just reposting it. >From ec179@city.ac.UKFri Oct 28 16:16:09 1994 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:32:29 +0000 From: ec179@city.ac.UK Reply to: nostra@city.ac.UK To: Michael Lawless Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: PGP 2.6 and Pine 3.91 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <386lbb$s0r@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> you wrote: > Would someone please post (or re-post as the case may be) a pine script for using > PGP? I think I've seen them before in this group, but on looking back, I can't > find any. There are some perl scripts around which you can use, but I find them a little bulky, so I wrote this shellscript which does the job pretty well. It uses the Solaris2 version of 'echo', so if you're on a BSD system, change any echo lines that end in \c to 'echo -n' and remove the \c. There might be a few \t's in the echo lines too. These need to be replaced with real tabs for BSD echo. To integrate it into pine, put this script somewhere in your path (with read & execute perms on it) and change the alternative editor to 'editpgp -i'. Write your mail as normal, then enter the alternate editor to handle signing and encryption. (Just run 'editpgp' with no args for info on command line args). 'editpgp -h' should be used with applications like TIN which leave headers in the text to be edited. The only bug(/feature?) with this script is that if you reply to encrypted mail and include the message in the reply, the script doesn't automatically decrypt the message for you. I only wrote it because I didn't like the perl scripts and I was bored, so I don't pretend it's perfect, but it works pretty well and it's fast *;O) Mark. - -- .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' - ----{ editpgp }---- #!/bin/sh # # PGP editor wrapper. # # Copyright (c) 1994, Mark Lewis. # # This software may be distributed freely as long as no profit is made # from it and this header remains intact. tmpdir=/tmp ### Functions f_test_args() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then echo "Usage: `basename $0` [-option] filename" echo "Options:" echo "\t-i\tinteractive (start at the menu)" echo "\t-h\theader mode (don't sign or encrypt headers)" exit 1 fi } f_split_file() { if [ "$headermode" ]; then awk '{ print }; /^$/ { exit }' $filename > ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr awk 'body == 1 { print }; /^$/ { body=1 }' $filename > ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ else cp $filename ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ fi } f_restore_file() { if [ "$headermode" ]; then cat ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc > $filename rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.hdr ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc else mv -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$.asc $filename fi } ### Start of script # Parse arguments while [ 1 ]; do if [ "$1" = "-" ]; then shift break elif [ "$1" = "-i" ]; then shift ans=interactive elif [ "$1" = "-h" ]; then shift headermode=1 else break fi done f_test_args $* clear defeditor=${EDITOR:-${VISUAL:-vi}} filename=`echo "$*" | cut -d' ' -f$#` if [ "$ans" != interactive ]; then echo "$defeditor $*" $defeditor $* fi # Interactive part while [ "$ans" != x ]; do echo "\n[E]dit/view, en[C]rypt, clear[S]ign or e[X]it? \c" read ans if [ "$ans" = e ]; then echo "Which Editor/Viewer? [${defeditor}] \c" read editor echo "${editor:-$defeditor} $*" ${editor:-$defeditor} $* elif [ "$ans" = c ]; then recipients="?" while [ "$recipients" = "?" ]; do echo "Enter recipients, separated by spaces: ('?' to list keys)" read recipients if [ "$recipients" = "?" ]; then pgp -kv elif [ "$recipients" = "" ]; then echo "Encryption aborted." else while [ "$opts" = "" ]; do echo "Sign encrypted message (y/n)? [n] \c" read tmp if [ "$tmp" = y ]; then opts=seat elif [ "$tmp" = "" -o "$tmp" = n ]; then opts=eat fi done f_split_file pgp -$opts ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ $recipients rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then f_restore_file else echo "*Error in encryption. Aborted." fi fi done elif [ "$ans" = s ]; then f_split_file pgp -sat +clearsig=on ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ rm -f ${tmpdir}/tmp$$ if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then f_restore_file else echo "*Error in signing. Aborted." fi fi done clear exit 0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBLq4+LL+exwC8S2+xAQFdOAP/bfA/A7BFAgHcZamS+tvsWeQf03VRhPKZ EeRXp9b6kjSG25NZUpQTh/N5SdYDwyULEcqi8oy428rii6OcQHbfYChF6v2XUrtl QwjRHByk6hK7ozVElHTjbr2U/h0XjYHRvK6PsfNPzaOjv1YsMkEVLJK8EDCHyVGW N4rMJjlMenc= =9Ftp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Lawless |Remote Sensing Research Unit lawless@geog.ucsb.edu |Geography Department, UCSB |Santa Barbara CA, 93106 --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.1 mQBtAy6cMUoAAAEDAKbpkQa9zQOnykFKAcAO6J1ZO8N6yZcAiIS6Vg8/aTI44NmO 9Gt1p0a4M+6Wpy5PMlnZPjqlH6JSK8bqPApaVcLMEnmP5Vy7k+uLzExPP6MEptBH uWBcXF1qIZRU0zEjmQAFEbQqTWljaGFlbCBKLiBMYXdsZXNzIDxsYXdsZXNzQGdl b2cudWNzYi5lZHU+ =yV8M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 17:30:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22105; Sat, 29 Oct 94 17:30:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10568; Sat, 29 Oct 94 17:25:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10562; Sat, 29 Oct 94 17:25:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Nog-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 17:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Little Subject: saved-messages - Pine/Win 3.91? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 19:03:12 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I access Pine both from Pine/Windows 3.91 and from dial-in to the AIX host using VT100 emulation. Is there any way to force the Windows client to use "saved-messages" remote folder on the AIX host rather that the default "sentmail"? I would like to keep the same host folder for saved mail for both platforms. Bob... Robert Little, Director-Computing Center Lock Haven University of Pennsylvania From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 18:56:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23479; Sat, 29 Oct 94 18:56:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11444; Sat, 29 Oct 94 18:52:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11438; Sat, 29 Oct 94 18:52:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1PAA-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 18:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: mailcap settings for text/html via lynx? Date: 29 Oct 1994 21:19:31 -0400 Message-Id: <38usb3$m2m@angel.cs.unc.edu> I'm attempting to get Pine to spawn lynx when someone sends me a World-Wide Web page in HTML via the text/html attachment type. I dutifully put the lines text/html; /usr/local/bin/lynx %s ; needsterminal; \ description="World-Wide Web HTML attachment" first into my .mailcap, and then into my /etc/mailcap file. Unfortunately, this has not worked. Pine still displays the HTML as regular old text and uses its own viewer. Pine correctly starts up xv when I try to display an attached JPEG or GIF, so I know the mailcap file is working. Why can't I get it to start up lynx (and/or Mosaic, Mozilla, etc.) when I receive an HTML attachment? Because of my job I get a lot of those, and it's a pain to have to save it and start lynx every time. Trey Harris http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris --Stranger in a Strange Thread! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 19:15:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA23824; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:15:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11785; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:10:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11779; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:10:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1PLG-00000kC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: xwast3+@pitt.edu (Xiyou Wang) Subject: Help: How to send mails to Multi-users ? Date: 30 Oct 1994 01:40:06 GMT Message-Id: <38uthm$8tp@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Hi, there: I just found this group today. I have been figuring how to sent mails to my whole class, I already have the users in my class stored in a file. Do I need to inlude the full e-mail addresses also? Thanks for any help and comments. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 19:39:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA24231; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:39:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11817; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:31:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11811; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:30:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Pnk-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 19:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Formatting the To: line on screen Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:03:22 GMT Message-Id: One of my users pointed out today that the way the To: line appears on screen and the way it is formatted in the eventual message are completely separate. That is, the Composer always shows the To: line with one address per line regardless of the length of each address, but when the message goes out, they are (correctly) formatted into as many addresses as will fit per line. I know this isn't a bug, but it's something I'd like to see in 4.0 or 3.92 (which ever comes first), that the screen presentation of the message-in-composition looks as close to the outgoing message as possible. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Oct 29 22:55:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA27666; Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:55:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14199; Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:51:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14193; Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:51:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Smc-00000iC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdim@uoguelph.ca (Martin J Dim) Subject: missing winsock.dll Date: 29 Oct 1994 20:05:54 GMT Message-Id: <38u9v2$nm7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Hello There, Yes, I have version pcpine 3.90 for Windows and it is missing a file. The file being winsock.dll. What I would like to know is does anyone have a fully functional version of pcpine for windows; and if so, how can I download a copy of winsock.dll from FTP. Thanks, Martin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 00:11:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29051; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:11:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15312; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:08:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15306; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:08:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1Tzx-00000qC; Sat, 29 Oct 94 23:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djolley@kaiwan.com (Donald Douglas Jolley) Subject: [dos gets: Permission denied]??? Date: 29 Oct 1994 13:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: Whenever I go to view a news article using pcpine, I get the error message, "[Dos gets: Permission denied]". Then the header of the article is displayed; but, alas, the body of the article is missing. Does anyone know what the error message, "[Dos gets: Permission denied]" means. I think this is the clue to solving my problem. Just for the record, my configuration is a Linux box acting as a network file/imap server running samba. The workstations are PCs running DOS/W4WG and pcpine_w. I would certainly appreciate hearing from anyone who can advise me on this problem. I think I finally just about have this thing working. Thanks for any help. ... doug ______________________________________________________________________________ Doug Jolley | Don't bogart that file, my friend. | PGP key djolley@kaiwan.com | Net it over to me. | available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 00:47:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA29708; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:47:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15773; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:45:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from svcs1.digex.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA15767; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:45:07 -0700 Received: from dcb00092.slip.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13220 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 02:45:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 02:45:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Balderson Reply-To: jbalders@access.digex.net To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 07:26:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09752; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:26:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21493; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:22:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21487; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:22:45 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 30 Oct 94 23:19:33 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 23:19:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Matthew Osborne Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Oct 1994, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Well, where can I get the newest version of pine? I am only using 3.89 > right now.. ftp ftp.cac.washington.edu Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 07:37:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA09970; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:37:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21272; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:34:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21266; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:34:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1c0a-00000tC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Peter Scott Subject: Pico for VMS Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:12:59 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am currently training people how to use Pine on VMS. Is there also a stand-alone version of Pico available? EDT, EVE, etc. are quite painful! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 07:45:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10097; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:45:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21715; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:42:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21709; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:42:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1c5w-00000wC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdavis@CS.Arizona.EDU (Jim Davis) Subject: Re: Alternate INBOX Path Probs. Date: 27 Oct 1994 18:12:34 -0700 Message-Id: <38pj62$d1c@wolf.CS.Arizona.EDU> References: <38ph3j$6a5@news.u.washington.edu> In article <38ph3j$6a5@news.u.washington.edu>, Jeff Skone wrote: :If you setup your inbox to be anything other than the default :'/usr/spool/mail/$USER' how do you get PINE to prompt you about new mail :upon login? If you're thinking of the 'you have new mail' message when you login, that's done by the login program itself, not pine. Typically the login program has the 'standard' mailbox name hardwired into the executable. Some shells have a MAILPATH environment variable that might give you the functionality you're looking for. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 08:01:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10318; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:01:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21514; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:57:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21508; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:57:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1cNT-00000tC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 07:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tyne@indirect.com (Ty Upshur) Subject: Sending Multiple Email Address Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:38:54 GMT I've just started using Pine and I would like to send messages to my buddies overseas, all at once. Is their away that I can modify the file .addressbook in Pine to have them all receive my message, without each of them receiving each others email address. Thanks Ty -- tyne@indirect.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 09:02:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11364; Sun, 30 Oct 94 09:02:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22191; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:58:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22185; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:58:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1dKh-00000wC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mrw103@tower.york.ac.uk (Matthew Wilcox) Subject: Re: PGP & PINE solution Message-Id: <1994Oct30.153646.13986@leeds.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:36:46 +0000 (GMT) References: <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Trey Harris (harris@cs.unc.edu) wrote: : In article <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, : Michael Lawless wrote: : >This was sent to me regarding PGP and Pine. I set it up as per the directions, : >and it work's like a charm. I take no credit for this, just reposting it. Where did you repost it? I'm sorry, I'm new to this newsgroup and I've seen your earlier requests for something that will let PGP & Pine work together but seem to have missed your repost of the script. Any chance of rereposting it? Matthew -- +=======================================================================+ | If the early bird catches the worm | /| | why does the worm bother getting | Disclaimer : / | | up in the mornings? - R Heinlein | I don't think the University /--| | Matthew Wilcox | care about my opinions / | +=======================================================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 09:03:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11428; Sun, 30 Oct 94 09:03:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22537; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:58:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22531; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:58:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1dHn-00000tC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 08:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrh!jrh@beaver.cs.washington.edu (James R. Hamilton) Subject: Re: mail formatter wanted Message-Id: <1994Oct26.000602.154409@jrh.uucp> References: <38cdb8$fdn@omni.voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 00:06:02 GMT In article <38cdb8$fdn@omni.voicenet.com>, John Allegrezza wrote: >greetings: > >I am looking for a mail formatter for our UNIX mail messages. What I need >is a tool to filter our the garbage in the mail header keeping only From, >Date, Subject field and nicely formatting the mail body leaving possible >mail footer/signature un-touched. I haved looked at printmail from elm >package and the 'par' program on the net. 'printmail' almost does what >I want except it doesn't format the mail body where 'par' does nice >formatting but it didn't recognize the header and footer so it >formatted them too which is not what I what. Anybody out there has >any suggestions? You help will be appriciated. I use mhl for this. Have a look at the mhl man page (I've appended the first 3 pages of it below). Its easy to use, very flexible, and capable of more than you currently need. --jrh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MHL(1) AIX MHL(1) NAME mhl - produce formatted listings of MH messages SYNOPSIS /usr/local/lib/mh/mhl [-bell] [-nobell] [-clear] [-noclear] [-folder +folder] [-form formfile] [-length lines] [-width columns] [-moreproc program] [-nomoreproc] [files ...] [-help] DESCRIPTION Mhl is a formatted message listing program. It can be used as a replacement for more (1) (the default showproc ). As with more, each of the messages specified as arguments (or the standard input) will be output. If more than one mes- sage file is specified, the user will be prompted prior to each one, and a or will begin the output, with clearing the screen (if appropriate), and (usually CTRL-D) suppressing the screen clear. An (usually CTRL-C) will abort the current message output, prompting for the next message (if there is one), and a (usually CTRL-\) will terminate the program (without core dump). The `-bell' option tells mhl to ring the terminal's bell at the end of each page, while the `-clear' option tells mhl to clear the scree at the end of each page (or output a formfeed after each message). Both of these switches (and their inverse counterparts) take effect only if the profile entry moreproc is defined but empty, and mhl is outputting to a terminal. If the moreproc entry is defined and non- empty, and mhl is outputting to a terminal, then mhl will cause the moreproc to be placed between the terminal and mhl and the switches are ignored. Furthermore, if the `-clear' switch is used and mhl's output is directed to a terminal, then mhl will consult the $TERM and $TERMCAP envariables to determine the user's terminal type in order to find out how to clear the screen. If the `-clear' switch is used and mhl's output is not directed to a terminal (e.g., a pipe or a file), then mhl will send a formfeed after each message. To override the default moreproc and the profile entry, use the `-moreproc program' switch. Note that mhl will never start a moreproc if invoked on a hardcopy terminal. The `-length length' and `-width width' switches set the screen length and width, respectively. These default to the values indicated by $TERMCAP, if appropriate, otherwise they default to 40 and 80, respectively. The default format file used by mhl is called mhl.format (which is first searched for in the user's MH directory, and then sought in the /usr/local/lib/mh directory), this can be changed by using the `-form formatfile' switch. Finally, the `-folder +folder' switch sets the MH folder name, which is used for the messagename: field described below. The envariable $mhfolder is consulted for the default value, which show, next, and prev initialize appropriately. Mhl operates in two phases: 1) read and parse the format file, and 2) process each message (file). During phase 1, an internal description of the format is produced as a structured list. In phase 2, this list is walked for each message, outputting message information under the format constraints from the format file. The mhl.format form file contains information controlling screen clearing, screen size, wrap-around control, tran- sparent text, component ordering, and component formatting. Also, a list of components to ignore may be specified, and a couple of special components are defined to provide added functionality. Message output will be in the order speci- fied by the order in the format file. Each line of mhl.format has one of the formats: ;comment :cleartext variable[,variable...] component:[variable,...] A line beginning with a `;' is a comment, and is ignored. A line beginning with a `:' is clear text, and is output exactly as is. A line containing only a `:' produces a blank line in the output. A line beginning with component: defines the format for the specified component, and finally, remaining lines define the global environment. For example, the line: width=80,length=40,clearscreen,overflowtext="***",overflowoffset=5 defines the screen size to be 80 columns by 40 rows, speci- fies that the screen should be cleared prior to each page, that the overflow indentation is 5, and that overflow text should be flagged with ***. Following are all of the current variables and their argu- ments. If they follow a component, they apply only to that component, otherwise, their affect is global. Since the whole format is parsed before any output processing, the last global switch setting for a variable applies to the whole message if that variable is used in a global context (i.e., bell, clearscreen, width, length). variable type semantics width integer screen width or component width length integer screen length or component length offset integer positions to indent component: overflowtext string text to use at the beginning of an overflow line overflowoffset integer positions to indent overflow lines compwidth integer positions to indent component text after the first line is output uppercase flag output text of this component in all upper case nouppercase flag don't uppercase clearscreen flag/G clear the screen prior to each page noclearscreen flag/G don't clearscreen bell flag/G ring the bell at the end of each page nobell flag/G don't bell component string/L name to use instead of component for this component nocomponent flag don't output component: for this component center flag center component on line (works for one-line components only) nocenter flag don't center leftadjust flag strip off leading whitespace on each line of text noleftadjust flag don't leftadjust compress flag change newlines in text to spaces nocompress flag don't compress split flag don't combine multiple fields into a single field nosplit flag combine multiple fields into a single field newline flag print newline at end of components (default) nonewline flag don't print newline at end of components formatfield string format string for this component (see below) addrfield flag field contains addresses datefield flag field contains dates To specify the value of integer-valued and string-valued variables, follow their name with an equals-sign and the value. Integer-valued variables are given decimal values, while string-valued variables are given arbitrary text bracketed by double-quotes. If a value is suffixed by /G or /L, then its value is useful in a global-only or local-only context (respectively). A line of the form: ignores=component,... specifies a list of components which are never output. The component MessageName (case-insensitive) will output the actual message name (file name) preceded by the folder name if one is specified or found in the environment. The format is identical to that produced by the `-header' option to -- James R. Hamilton home inet: jrh@jrh.guild.org Toronto, Canada home uucp: ...!uunet!jrh!jrh home: +1 416 510 1059 work inet: jrh@vnet.ibm.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 09:35:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA12063; Sun, 30 Oct 94 09:35:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22927; Sun, 30 Oct 94 09:30:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA22921; Sun, 30 Oct 94 09:30:03 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA06485; Sun, 30 Oct 94 11:29:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:29:24 -0600 (CST) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@pear To: Pine Info List Subject: Bug (ID XO2CG): Printing to "Attached-to-ANSI" (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="16847532-338230218-783128471=:17903" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --16847532-338230218-783128471=:17903 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Pine users, Another one of my users is having problems printing. Any ideas? ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NEXTSTEP Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Randall R. Scott To: Pine Developers Subject: Bug (ID XO2CG): Printing to "Attached-to-ANSI" Good folks, I am still having the same problem that I reported a few days ago -- namely, my printing of PINE 3.91 postings "hangs" after about a page and one-half. I have checked the "character-start-stop" (the exact configuration command-title escapes me just now), and have tried the Control-Q switch upon "hanging," but nothing works. I had none of this trouble with 3.89. My printer has 1.5 MBs of memory, so that is not the problem. When the print-out "hangs," I can "force" more data into the printer by pressing the space-bar, but, after another page or so, this procedure also becomes useless, with the printer's "print" light flashing as though more data is being fed into the printer, but with no further printing being done. I finally have to escape from the printing process. After the first page and one-half, when the "hanging" begins, the remainder that I am able to "force" (about another page) has an uppercase "K" preceding every line, and in addition each line is somewhat garbled. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Many thanks, Randy **************************************************************************** Randall R. Scott Voice: 314/727-9605(H); 314/867-8993(O/Fax) Research Associate in Buddhist Studies CompuServe: <72704,1441> Washington University in St. Louis Internet: **************************************************************************** --16847532-338230218-783128471=:17903 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME="config.txt" Content-ID: Content-Description: Pine Configuration Data ========== struct pine * ========== ui: login = rrscott, full = Randall R. Scott home = /ArtSci/ReligStud/rrscott home_dir= /ArtSci/ReligStud/rrscott hostname= mango localdom= mango userdom= artsci.wustl.edu maildom= artsci.wustl.edu cur_cntxt= mail/[] cur_fldr= INBOX actual mbox= inbox msgmap: tot=0, cur=0, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival inbox is mail_stream term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/ttyp2, size=24x80, speed=normal ======= Current_val options set ======= personal-name : Randall R. Scott user-id : rrscott user-domain : artsci.wustl.edu nntp-server : eclnews.wustl.edu inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] news-collections : usenetNews *{eclnews.wustl.edu/nntp}[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail read-message-folder : read-messages signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : enable-jump-shortcut : save-will-advance : preserve-start-stop-characters saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.91 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Command_line_val options set ======= ======= User_val options set (/ArtSci/ReligStud/rrscott/.pinerc) ======= folder-collections : mail/[] feature-list : enable-jump-shortcut : save-will-advance : preserve-start-stop-characters printer : attached-to-ansi last-time-prune-ques : 94.10 last-version-used : 3.91 ======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) ======= user-domain : artsci.wustl.edu nntp-server : eclnews.wustl.edu inbox-path : inbox news-collections : usenetNews *{eclnews.wustl.edu/nntp}[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail read-message-folder : read-messages signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) ======= ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd no-enable-aggregate-command-set no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly no-enable-bounce-cmd no-enable-flag-cmd no-enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue no-enable-suspend no-enable-tab-completion no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-approximates-new-status no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order preserve-start-stop-characters no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file no-quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys --16847532-338230218-783128471=:17903-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 12:55:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16127; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:55:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25061; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:51:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25055; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:51:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1gnl-000019C; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matthew Osborne Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:44:50 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > ftp ftp.cac.washington.edu Thank you,, I now have pine up and running.. (For my news stuff as well!) -- ============================================================================== = Matt O s b o r n e (gama)= = "Practise safe TeX, use LaTeX"-unknown = = mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca = send flames to /dev/null = ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 12:55:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16133; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:55:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25358; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:51:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25352; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:51:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1gnj-000017C; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matthew Osborne Subject: Re: PGP & PINE solution Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:43:40 -0600 Message-Id: References: <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Oct30.153646.13986@leeds.ac.uk> On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Trey Harris (harris@cs.unc.edu) wrote: > : In article <38s0u3$lbj@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, > : Michael Lawless wrote: > : >This was sent to me regarding PGP and Pine. I set it up as per the directions, > : >and it work's like a charm. I take no credit for this, just reposting it. > > Where did you repost it? I'm sorry, I'm new to this newsgroup and I've seen > your earlier requests for something that will let PGP & Pine work together > but seem to have missed your repost of the script. Any chance of rereposting > it? Yes, I would also me very thankfull if you could repost it or email it too me. thanks!! -- ============================================================================== = Matt O s b o r n e (gama)= = "Practise safe TeX, use LaTeX"-unknown = = mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca = send flames to /dev/null = ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 13:10:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA16605; Sun, 30 Oct 94 13:10:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25591; Sun, 30 Oct 94 13:07:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA25585; Sun, 30 Oct 94 13:07:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1h19-00001EC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: Saving list of articles Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:13:46 GMT I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. Is there a way to do it? | Christopher Curtis | W I N D O W S | | Sun Lab System Administrator | From the people who brought you EDLIN | | Florida Institute of Technology |-----------------------------------------| | Melbourne, Florida | Team OS/2 Team OS/2 Team OS/2 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 17:15:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21517; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:15:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28627; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:07:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28621; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:07:40 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa20156; 30 Oct 94 20:07 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA12114; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:07:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Christopher AWOL Curtis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving list of articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Christopher AWOL Curtis wrote: > I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into > a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried > flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one > file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. > Is there a way to do it? You can Apply ( "A" ) any other command ( "S"ave, "E"xport, "D"elete, "Y" (print), "|" (pipe), etc... ) to a group of selected messages, which will do that command on all of them. Note that for Pipe and Print, all of the messages are send in one stream to the printer or program on the other end of the pipe. For Pipe, this is what you need, but for printing, Pine doesn't separate the messages quite as clearly as I would like. ( Although, it is nice that it does strip out the "unnecessary" header lines. ) It would be nice if there were an option in the Printer Setup, to set an optional message separator string on Print, so you could force messages to start on a new page, or perhaps print a line of of dashes or other delimiters between each message. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 17:19:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21602; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:19:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28193; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:13:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA28187; Sun, 30 Oct 94 17:13:37 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA23198; Sun, 30 Oct 94 19:12:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:12:53 -0600 (CST) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@pear To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving list of articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher, You may want to try saving them to a newly created mailbox/mail folder, since all mail folders are just flat files. Using 3.91, you can ;SI (apply a select to the important flagged messages) and then AS (apply a save-to-folder). Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ NEXTSTEP, hussain@artsci.wustl.edu baby http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~hussain/ On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into > a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried > flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one > file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. > Is there a way to do it? > > | Christopher Curtis | W I N D O W S | > | Sun Lab System Administrator | From the people who brought you EDLIN | > | Florida Institute of Technology |-----------------------------------------| > | Melbourne, Florida | Team OS/2 Team OS/2 Team OS/2 | > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Oct 30 21:12:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA26173; Sun, 30 Oct 94 21:12:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01255; Sun, 30 Oct 94 21:07:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA01249; Sun, 30 Oct 94 21:07:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1oeP-00001aC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 20:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth) Subject: Open Systems SIG Meeting, Tues. Nov.8: MIME Status Report Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 03:49:50 GMT SEF/UniForum Open Systems SIG MIME Status Report -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions is an important standard for conveying pictures, audio, formatted data, and ordinary text in email. It describes many data types; many Unix, Windows, and Mac mail programs implement MIME to varying degrees. Dave Crocker, a noted internetworking consultant, will give a status report on MIME and its implementations. He will address questions like: What's the real purpose of MIME and its data types? If I want to develop an application that uses email, can I rely on my customers having MIME? When will the email I receive be enriched via MIME? How can I send MIME-enriched mail to others? Place: Digital Equipment Corporation 130 Lytton Street, Palo Alto CA (Corner of Alma, 1 block N. of University) Date & Time: Tuesday, November 8, 1994, 7:00-9:00 p.m. Cost: Free for SEF and full UniForum members and DEC employees; $5 for trial UniForum members; $10 for others. No reservation required; limit of 90 attendees. Information: George Bosworth, 415/851-3304, georgeb@netcom.com Dave Crocker, principal with Brandenburg Consulting, has participated in the development of internetworking capabilities since 1972, first as part of the Arpanet research community, and more recently in the commercial sector. He wrote the current Internet standards for mail header formats and was principal architect for MCI Mail. He retains technical involvement in Internet standards activities for transport services, electronic mail, and electronic commerce. SEF, the Software Entrepreneurs' Forum, started in 1983, is a leading Silicon Valley-based non-profit organization dedicated to software professionals, with over 900 members. SEF informs and educates its members on all facets of the software industry. SEF sponsors 12 other SIGs, which meet once a month: Business Operations, Client Server, Intelligent Systems, International, Macintosh, Marketing, Multimedia, Networking, Pen/Mobile, Visual Basic, Windows, and Wireless. Call 415/854-7219 for more SEF information. UniForum, The International Association of Open Systems Professionals, is a vendor-independent, not-for-profit professional association that helps individuals and their organizations increase their Information Systems effectiveness through the use of open systems, based on shared industry standards. Central to UniForum's mission is the delivery of high quality educations programs, trade shows and conferences, publications, on-line services, and peer group interactions. Call 800/255-5620 for more UniForum information. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 00:58:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA00615; Mon, 31 Oct 94 00:58:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04867; Mon, 31 Oct 94 00:55:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA04861; Mon, 31 Oct 94 00:55:28 -0800 Received: from tellus.csc.fi (tellus.csc.fi [128.214.46.33]) by pobox.csc.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9+CSC-2.0) with SMTP id KAA09677; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:55:25 +0200 Received: by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02682; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:55:24 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:55:23 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Kytolaakso X-Sender: netmgr@tellus.csc.fi To: Martin J Dim Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: missing winsock.dll In-Reply-To: <38u9v2$nm7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 29 Oct 1994, Martin J Dim wrote: > Hello There, >=20 > Yes, I have version pcpine 3.90 for Windows and it is missing a file. > The file being winsock.dll. What I would like to know is does anyone=20 > have a fully functional version of pcpine for windows; and if so, how can= =20 > I download a copy of winsock.dll from FTP. > =09=09=09=09=09Thanks, > =09=09=09=09=09Martin Winsock.dll is part of the TCP/IP implementation and not of pcpine_w or any other winsock based client. I have tried it with PC TCP 2.3 & 3.0=20 (commercial) and Trumpet winsock (shareware from ftp.trumpet.com.au). Pekka Kyt=F6laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET/CSC Finnish University and Research Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 04:54:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05978; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:54:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07927; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:49:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07921; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:49:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1vcS-00003UC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: guardian@werple.apana.org.au (Nick Allan) Subject: inbox remote mail server Date: 31 Oct 1994 18:11:41 +1100 Message-Id: <3925bd$3vk@werple.apana.org.au> Hello everyone I connect to the site that holds my email via a slip connection, this connection is dialup. I would like pine on my home system to use the inbox on the mail system. I know you are supposed to use the in-box-path in your .pinerc file but can someone tell me what the format of this is supposed to look like eg the host is werple.apana.org.au and my mail file on this host is /var/mail/guardian Thanks for any assistance. -- Regards Nick Guardian@werple.apana.org.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 04:56:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06030; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:56:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07303; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:49:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07297; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:49:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1vcK-00003SC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 04:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Saving list of articles Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:18:44 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into > a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried > flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one > file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. > Is there a way to do it? You're half way there! You need to "A"pply the "E"xport command (i.e. A followed by E), and "A F" for forwarding a number of messages. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 08:02:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10488; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:02:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10550; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:52:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bearcat.sbuniv.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10544; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:51:57 -0800 Received: by bearcat.sbuniv.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06703; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:10 -0600 Received: by admin.sbuniv.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05288; Mon, 31 Oct 94 09:49:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:49:51 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Nebel To: Matthew Osborne Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom In-Reply-To: <38r7ae$ifr@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The easiest way is to do this is to read to documentation. On 28 Oct 1994, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Hi, I am using pine again, because elm chowns my mailbox and > can't chown it back etc.. Anyways, how can I get my .signature to be > placed automagically at the BOTTOM of the message instead of the top? > > -- > ============================================================================== > = Matt O s b o r n e (gama)= = "Practise safe TeX, use LaTeX"-unknown = > = mo@pineapple.apmaths.uwo.ca = send flames to /dev/null = > ============================================================================== > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 08:06:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10799; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:06:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10630; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:55:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from micronet.wcu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10624; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:55:27 -0800 Received: by micronet.wcu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01960; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:54:37 +0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: Patti Johnson X-Sender: johnson@micronet To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: Christopher AWOL Curtis , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving list of articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1017 On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Christopher AWOL Curtis wrote: > > > I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into > > a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried > > flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one > > file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. > > Is there a way to do it? > > You can Apply ( "A" ) any other command ( "S"ave, "E"xport, "D"elete, > "Y" (print), "|" (pipe), etc... ) to a group of selected messages, which > will do that command on all of them. That's where I've been having trouble too - I get to the folder index screen (in this case my INBOX folder) and press the semi-colon .. then I'm told that ';' is not enable for this screen. How do I select multiple messages for those aggregate operations ... from the folder index screen? Like, for example, how do I select all messages from one individual? patti johnson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 08:24:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA11392; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:24:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10427; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:14:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA10421; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:14:39 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa25428; 31 Oct 94 11:14 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA24771; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:14:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Patti Johnson Cc: Christopher AWOL Curtis , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving list of articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Patti Johnson wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Oct 1994, Christopher AWOL Curtis wrote: > > > > > I am looking for a way to select a set of articles and save them all into > > > a single file. Is there a way to do this in PINE 3.91? I've tried > > > flagging them and "E"xporting, but it appears to want to export only one > > > file. I've also tried to "F"orward the messages, but that doesn't work. > > > Is there a way to do it? > > > > You can Apply ( "A" ) any other command ( "S"ave, "E"xport, "D"elete, > > "Y" (print), "|" (pipe), etc... ) to a group of selected messages, which > > will do that command on all of them. > > That's where I've been having trouble too - I get to the folder index > screen (in this case my INBOX folder) and press the semi-colon .. then > I'm told that ';' is not enable for this screen. How do I select > multiple messages for those aggregate operations ... from the folder > index screen? Like, for example, how do I select all messages from one > individual? > I think you need to 'Enable Aggregate Command Set' in the Setup/ Configure menu. That will enable Select, Apply and Zoom. ( when my .pinerc file was updated by 3.9x, it turned this on automatically for me, probably because I had "old-growth" set in 3.89. ) Once it is enabled, just try ";" - it will prompt you for selection options. If you then do a Zoom, it will display only selected messages. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 11:00:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20594; Mon, 31 Oct 94 11:00:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14542; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:50:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from utepvm.utep.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA14536; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:50:41 -0800 Received: from UTEPVM.EP.UTEXAS.EDU by UTEPVM.EP.UTEXAS.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3063; Mon, 31 Oct 94 11:50:59 MST Received: from UTEP (NJE origin MUSIC@UTEPA) by UTEPVM.EP.UTEXAS.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3893; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:50:57 -0700 Message-Id: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 11:47:44 MST From: Louie Valles To: Subject: pine on solaris2.3 X-Mailer: MUSIC/SP V3.1.1 Hello Hope this is the right listserve?? Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 14:04:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA02652; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:04:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19255; Mon, 31 Oct 94 13:58:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from KING.kcls.lib.wa.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA19249; Mon, 31 Oct 94 13:58:06 -0800 Received: from rain by king.kcls.lib.wa.us (5.4R3.00/200.1.1.4) id AA12359; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:55:27 -0800 Received: by rain (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24937; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:57:30 +0800 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: "0000-Admin(0000)" Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 To: Louie Valles Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 318 I second this. I tried to no avail. So if anybody can compile it please list your magical solution On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Louie Valles wrote: > Hello > > Hope this is the right listserve?? > > Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? > > Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 14:58:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA05807; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:58:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20506; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:50:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hp.fciencias.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20502; Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:50:35 -0800 Message-Id: <9410312250.AA20502@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: by hp.fciencias.unam.mx (16.6/16.2) id AA04203; Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:46:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:46:06 -0700 From: Adriana Carolina Flores Diaz Procedencia: Centro de Computo Edificio O, Planta Baja Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu subscribe comp.mail.pine acfd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 15:12:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA06498; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:12:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20824; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:05:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA20814; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:05:19 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 1 Nov 94 07:02:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 07:02:03 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Louie Valles Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 In-Reply-To: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Louie Valles wrote: > Hello > > Hope this is the right listserve?? > > Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? > > Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. Some people may wish you hadn't asked that question.....care to comment Neil? :-) :-) Anyway, in the makefile.sol file you should find the line that reads CFLAGS= ....... and add -Dconst= to the line. It should now compile. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 15:39:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA07843; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:39:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21522; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:31:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21516; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:31:31 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 1 Nov 94 07:28:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 07:28:13 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Rick Nebel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .signature at top, not bottom In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Rick Nebel wrote: > The easiest way is to do this is to read to documentation. How naive can you be? :-) The easiest way is to ignore the copious documentation and whatever FAQ that is available. If ever you have a question and can't come up with a solution after a nano-second of thought all you need do is post it to a newsgroup. There is no need to look back on a newgroup to see if someone else has already asked the same question. Some fool is bound to feel sorry for you and answer your question. Regardless of what is said about netequitte(sp?) and common sense there will always be the new kid on the block who hasn't gotten the message. Besides, if people read the documentation and didn't ask the same questions over and over again there would be fewer posts to weedout and one less thing to be sarcastic about at 7:30am. Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Oct 31 15:43:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA08153; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:43:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21804; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:39:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from curiac.acomp.usf.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.31 ) id AA21796; Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:39:29 -0800 Received: (matheny@localhost) by curiac.acomp.usf.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA13998; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:37:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: Arthur Matheny X-Sender: matheny@curiac To: Louie Valles Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine on solaris2.3 In-Reply-To: <31OCT94.12739328.0050.MUSIC@UTEP> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Louie Valles wrote: > Hello > > Hope this is the right listserve?? > > Has anyone attempted pine3.91 on solaris 2.3?????? > > Have tried unsuccessfully using build sol. any hints/ideas. > There are two versions of cc on our system. The one that works is the BSD compatibility version. (It is called cc.old on our system.) All I had to do was make one change in build: makeargs="CC=cc.old" ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arthur Matheny Numerically Intensive Computing Consultant Academic Computing LIB 612, University of South Florida 813-974-1795 Tampa, FL 33620 ------------------------------------------------------------------