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On 30 Mar 1997 06:37:08 GMT, Steve Machol <smachol@nospam.wco.com>
posted to comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.pine:
 > :0:
 > * ^Bcc.*smachol
 > IN.testing
 > However, when I've tested this by Bcc'ing myself from another account, the
 > mail is getting through just fine and nothing shows up in my IN.testing
 > folder.

Look at the message you sent yourself. Does it actually contain a
header which matches the above regular expression? No. That's what BCC
means: strip off the BCC header completely before sending the message.
(The mail transport doesn't even look at the headers; instead the
destination is known because the "envelope" contains it.)

If you want to combat BCC:s, one venue is to ditch everything which is
not specifically TO you. (Take care to process any mailing lists
first, they are usually BCC:ed or equivalent.)

    :0:
    * ! ^TO_smachol
    IN.testing

/* era */

This has nothing with Pine to do so I've trimmed comp.mail.pine from Followups.

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I have a question that is not really pine related, but seeing that no one
here seems to be able to help me, I thought I'd try you. I use NCSA Telnet
on a Macintosh to log into a UNIX machine and view my mail using Pine. If
I print a message from Pine it somehow passes this print command through to 
the Mac, asking me: 

'Print message 15 using "attached-to-ansi"?'

Which, if confirmed causes the Mac print dialog box to appear. 

Now I would like to be able to do this directly from my unix prompt with 
my files as well instead of first ftp-ing my files to my Mac and then 
printing them. 
Could you tell me how Pine manages to do this?
I tried to look under Setup Printer, but couldn't figure out how it works.


		thanks,
			Cornelis.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Omar Qureshi wrote:

  >I was wondering if it was possible to append output from the Unix
  >'fortune' command at the end of every mail message sent out from my
  >account ?

You need a so called sending filter for that. Put something like this in
your ~/.pinerc:

# This defines a program that message text is piped into before MIME
# encoding, prior to sending
	sending-filters=~/bin/fortune

i.e. if you've decided to create a file in ~/bin that contains the following
line:
	fortune
	
and afterwards have chmod'ed it with a+x or whatever (thereby making it an
executable). Check the chmod man page to see which permissions you want to
give. However, I don't think that appending fortunes a good idea, because
some of them are rather lengthy and you'd end up with a 50 odd line
signature.

You could of course edit the original fortunes file and strip it of those
messages. BTW, to edit the fortunes-o files, you need rot-13 (Caesarian
rotation) as offered e.g. by Emacs >:->

Ceterum censeo that Ray Cummings <rcummins@burlco.lib.nj.us> is a whiner...
How come I've never seen an answer from you, Ray, just whining, moaning and
complaining? Are you trying to make yourself feel "better" (hehehe) by that?

Later,
Robin

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rcummins@burlco.lib.nj.us (Ray Cummins) writes:

 >On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

 >> 		

 >Well, it really doesn't matter what he wrote.  I'd just like to say I'm
 >really looking forward to killfile support in Pine.

Well, if you did not read the whole thing, you missed a very "Good Time".
It was one of the better parodies of the "newbie virus" that I have seen.
Of course, people who read email with MS's MUA's and who have Word on their
systems really *do* have to worry about reading the wrong email messages,
because of Word macro viruses.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Joakim Roubert wrote:
> I use another mail address than my Pine thinks would be common, and
> therefore I
> have set the special "user-domain" to the right domain, but my user name
> on
> that domain is different rom the one on my local system. How do I make
> the
> reply-to address that I send correct?                

Compile pine so that ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM is set and then set up
your From header in your customized headers.  I still think this
should be the default way that pine is compiled since 1) it is
common these days for people to have multiple addresses and to want
to be able to easily change the From line ON THE FLY while
composing a message and 2) it is not a way for people to forge
messages because the Sender and Received headers make it pretty
clear where the message really originated from.

Is there any chance that the pine developers would consider making 
ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM the default? Please.  Also, does anyone know
where I can find a version of PC Pine for Windows 95 that has been
compiled with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM?  Note that I know how to fake
from headers with Pine (I'm doing it right now) but I want to be
able to change the From line on the fly.

Thanks,
Nancy


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In the folder collections, upon opening the cursor always sits at the last
message in the folder, whereas it sits on the first unread message in the
regular incoming folders. Did I miss a setting or is this the wanted
behaviour?

TIA,
Robin

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I'm running RedHat 4.0 with most of the 4.1 RPMS.  I have attempted to
install the src for pine and compile.  the build statement runs fine and
everything compiles to the point of it displaying the sizes of the
executables and it says that the pine and pico executables do not exist. 
For some reason they are not being compiled or built with the script.  I
have reinstalled the source several times and tried again and again.  There
is a makefile entry for linux - so i'm unsure of what the prob is. 
Attached is an example of where it dies.

Making Pico and Pilot
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE osdep.c
osdep.c: In function `kpinsert':
osdep.c:695: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c:712: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `alt_editor':
osdep.c:827: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `bktoshell':
osdep.c:1037: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `gethomedir':
osdep.c:1300: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `errstr':
osdep.c:1341: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:201: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
osdep.c: In function `getfnames':
osdep.c:1408: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `pfnexpand':
osdep.c:1512: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `copy':
osdep.c:1754: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `ffelbowroom':
osdep.c:1881: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `pico_new_mail':
osdep.c:1979: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
make: *** [osdep.o] Error 1

Making Pine.
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c ttyin.c -o ttyin.o
ttyin.c: In function `Raw':
ttyin.c:341: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c:341: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ttyin.c:341: for each function it appears in.)
ttyin.c:383: `TCGETA' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `xonxoff_proc':
ttyin.c:483: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `crlf_proc':
ttyin.c:543: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `intr_proc':
ttyin.c:597: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `flush_input':
ttyin.c:1088: `TCFLSH' undeclared (first use this function)
make: *** [ttyin.o] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
text    data    bss     dec     hex     filename
303520  104626  2048    410194  64252   bin/mtest
318884  111666  8216    438766  6b1ee   bin/imapd
size: bin/pico: No such file or directory
size: bin/pilot: No such file or directory
Done

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How do I get pine to check mail on other pop servers?
I want it to check these places periodically, not just when I
log in.

Richard

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On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Richard Powell wrote:

  >How do I get pine to check mail on other pop servers? I want it to check
  >these places periodically, not just when I log in.

Not at all. Pine is a mail reader, not an MTA. You will want to use one of
those for this task, preferably one that can be run in daemon mode. Fetchpop
is one of those:
	
	<http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~oh">

The  fetchpop  program  retrieves  mail from a remote host using the POP3
mail transfer protocol as described in RFC1225 and RFC1081.
                     
Later,
Robin
                    
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Has anyone been using Pine 3.91 through 3.95 successfully with SCO
System V?  We are getting huge core dumps almost daily.  We use mostly
PC's running TinyTerm via TCP if that matters.

Will 3.96 solve the problem?  Does anyone have a binary for SCO SV of
3.96?

This may be one of those "why ask why?" questions, but why doesn't the U
of W support SCO?  Maybe because there aren't enough users to warrant
it...

---Knute (knute@masi.com)


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Hi, Does any body know where I can find pre-compiled binaries for IRIX?
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Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net> writes:

 >    I posted the article below recently on comp.editors.  I want to
 >emphasize that this problems occurs *ONLY* when my alternate editor is
 >invoked specifically by Pine, and under no other circumstances.  One
 >respondent speculated that Pine's screen control may not be well
 >debugged for alternate editors and may be causing Joe's screen control
 >to get a little flaky.  Anybody got any war stories or wisdom to share? 
 >Thanks.  --  Paul

Added comp.editors back to distribution.

 >---------- Forwarded message ----------
 >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:05:06 -0500
 >>From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
 >Newsgroups: comp.editors
 >Subject: Joe / Pine Interface Problem

 >    Environment: SunOS 4.1.4, dialin to shell account (Cshell) from DOS
 >with ProComm Plus v2/DOS, VT100 emulation.  Editor: Joe 2.8.  Mail/

I have seen situations long ago where ProComm simply blew chunks in its
vt100 emulation.  Try kermit.  It has much more reliable vtXXX emulation.

There have also been problems with some versions of joe overoptimizing
screen updates, leading to all sorts of anomalies.  In some versions of
joe, I have had to run his special termcap entries to get proper behavior.
I also remember from over two years ago when we moved all Suns to SunOS 5.4
or higher, that some versions of joe behaved differently depending on
whether they were compiled in the bsd universe (/bin/cc) or sysv universe
(/usr/5bin/cc).

 >newsreader: Pine 3.96.  The problem arises whether I use my ISP's
 >compiled version of Joe, or whether I compile Joe myself.  The problem
 >only seems to arise when I use Joe as my alternate editor under Pine.

I have found that pine 3.95 preserves some of its tty conditioning when it
hands the tty over to jove (my default implicit editor).  I do not remember
this in 3.91.

 >    When composing a message under Pine, Pine opens a file 
 >/tmp/pico.nnnnn, where nnnnn is some (temporarily) unique number. 
 >If there is quoted material, as in a reply or followup, Pine first
 >inserts the material, with the quoting string, into the /tmp/... file. 
 >It then passes control to the editor, which may be its own built-in
 >composer (ugh!) or a user-specified alternate editor (Joe 2.8 in my
 >case).

 >    However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
 >dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks.  They have not
 >dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
 >back.  But it is annoying, to say the least.  The dropping of
 >characters seems to occur mostly when simply moving the cursor and when
 >deleting characters (one or more characters to the right of the cursor
 >position may get replaced by blanks).  Also, this phenomenon only seems
 >to occur when editing the temporary file set up by Pine, not when
 >editing a file when Joe is invoked from the command line.

That is exactly the kind of behavior I have seen over 12 years with ProComm
(mis)emulations of the vt100 terminal.  You also may have some problems if
termcap is set to vt102 or 220 and the terminal emulator is only capable of
vt100.  Make sure both are set at the same level of emulation.  Another
thing I just thought of:  I have found the dt80 termcap/terminfo to work
better with some emulators than vt102.

 >    I admit I am a user, not a Un*x guru, so I don't really know where
 >to start looking.  Anyone have similar experiences or wisdom to share? 
 >Please also Cc: on any responses, as my newsfeed is rather flaky just
 >now, and I might miss a posted response.  Thanks very much.

 >Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
 >----------------------------------------------------------
 >Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
 >Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key
 >Home Page:  http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart



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Hi

I'm using ver 3.93 and I can't seem to get the select function to work
using the ";" as outlined in the help file.  

Any suggestions?  Could it be that way it is configured on my machine?

Thanks!

Jim



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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Margaret Vitalis wrote:

...
> address.  When I went to check the newsgroup later on, my post was there
> in the listing of new posts, but in the column where the names are it just
> said "To:" followed by the name of the news group I was posting to. Is
> this what everyone sees, or is this just what I see?  Is there a way to
> change this so that my name is in there?  Incidentally when I viewed the
> post, the header was fine. It showed my name and e-mail address in the
> "from" field.  Any feedback on this would be much appreciated.  Thank you!    

This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.

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This message appears in my mailbox when I send mail thru pc pine
under win95.


This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
a real message.  It is created automatically by the mail system software.
If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
with the data reset to initial values.



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I am using Pine 3.95q, on SunOs 4.1.x.

I have a user who has a large collection of mail folders. Some of them
show up as one big message, and others are fine. All of them appear to
follow the Berkeley mail folder format; that is to say a line like:

>From abc@foo.bar.baz Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1990

Some headers, a body, and at least two blank lines before the next
"From ". Some files have blank lines at the beginning, this does not
seem to affect things.

It seems that the difference between the files is that pine thinks the
single message ones are read only, while the other ones are
not. "Arpa" shows just fine. "Prof", "mit" and others don't. What the
difference is between them, I can not divine. Prof has the same
permissions, correct "From " headers, etc.  but for some reason shows
up as a single message from the user, with a subject of the full path
of the mail folder. Similar results come from the other affected
files.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate them.

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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Ahuja Asheesh wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:59:17 -0700
> From: Ahuja Asheesh <ahuja@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: organize newsgroups
> 
> hello out there,
> I subscribe to a whole bunch of newsgroups.  right now they're all listed
> alphabetically in pine. I was wondering if there is a why (and how??) to
> organize them be the subjects, in folders etc. so that i don't have to
> look all over for a newsgroup. 

Your best bet is to beat PINE at its alpahnumeric sorting and this can
be done without any software changes.

PINE give you the option to name folders and the secret to getting
your messages in a particular order is to determine what order you
want your newgroups in.

For example, I use comp.mail.pine, rec.arts.prose, and misc.writing
the most. I want misc.writing first, rec.art.prose, and comp.mail.
pine in that order.  I have named my folders:
	amiscwri
	brecpros
and     compmail

PINE sorts them alphabetically and I ignore the initial letter where
appropriate and proceed from there.  You have 26 categories just by
using a single letter alphabet and if you have something later that
you want to squeeze between amiscwri and brecpros just name that
folder  anjunk.  The double letter forces the sort routine to do the
re-ordering of your folders.  Works great in DOS too.

hinotruly

/h



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Subject: Re: -----   LOOKING FOR THAT EXTRA CASH?   -----
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Stefan Puchta (Steiff) wrote:
> 
> >>    $$$YOU WILL NOT REGRET READING THIS$$$
> >>
> 
> i did
> >
> >I don't think that this is the place for such strange dealings!!!
> >
> >everardo
> yes. i think he should try comp.lang.cobol
> maybe heŽll find some interested persons

I find that if I check between the cushions on my couch, I usually find
"THAT EXTRA CASH".

oh yea, under the seat in my car is good too...

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Hi,
I am trying to use pc-pine at home to aceess my mail from my unix server.  However, I am always told that login refused or cannot find inbox.  Please help.

thanks

--boon phing
eng40427@nus.sg

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hello people

The only other question I can think of is in my address book, I want to
just make one huge list of all the other lists but I sure as hell don't
want to type it out, so I made another list with nickname "mlf", all the
other nicknames for the other lists were "ml1", "ml2", "ml3" etc... to
"ml8".  Anyways, under the address of "mlf" I put
"ml1,ml2,ml3,ml4,ml5,ml6,ml7,ml8" expecting the lists to unexpand but it
simply stays as "ml1,ml2,ml3,ml4..."  so this means I have to keep the
other lists but I would like to delete them if possible and just get one
list with all the addresses in it, is this possible?


better if you could reply me privatly, as i am not on this mailing list

Thank you


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    I posted the article below recently on comp.editors.  I want to
emphasize that this problems occurs *ONLY* when my alternate editor is
invoked specifically by Pine, and under no other circumstances.  One
respondent speculated that Pine's screen control may not be well
debugged for alternate editors and may be causing Joe's screen control
to get a little flaky.  Anybody got any war stories or wisdom to share? 
Thanks.  --  Paul

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>From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
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    Environment: SunOS 4.1.4, dialin to shell account (Cshell) from DOS
with ProComm Plus v2/DOS, VT100 emulation.  Editor: Joe 2.8.  Mail/
newsreader: Pine 3.96.  The problem arises whether I use my ISP's
compiled version of Joe, or whether I compile Joe myself.  The problem
only seems to arise when I use Joe as my alternate editor under Pine.

    When composing a message under Pine, Pine opens a file 
/tmp/pico.nnnnn, where nnnnn is some (temporarily) unique number. 
If there is quoted material, as in a reply or followup, Pine first
inserts the material, with the quoting string, into the /tmp/... file. 
It then passes control to the editor, which may be its own built-in
composer (ugh!) or a user-specified alternate editor (Joe 2.8 in my
case).

    However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks.  They have not
dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
back.  But it is annoying, to say the least.  The dropping of
characters seems to occur mostly when simply moving the cursor and when
deleting characters (one or more characters to the right of the cursor
position may get replaced by blanks).  Also, this phenomenon only seems
to occur when editing the temporary file set up by Pine, not when
editing a file when Joe is invoked from the command line.

    I admit I am a user, not a Un*x guru, so I don't really know where
to start looking.  Anyone have similar experiences or wisdom to share? 
Please also Cc: on any responses, as my newsfeed is rather flaky just
now, and I might miss a posted response.  Thanks very much.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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On 30 Mar 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:
> 
> > [Regarding the loss of a message under composition when 
> > [the carrier dropped on a dial-up connection]
> 
> 	Sorry, your message is lost.  
> 
> 	There is another message in its place, however.  That message is
> something everyone should know.  *Never* type in a long (or even short)
> important email over a dialup connection.  [...]

    I do not entirely agree, Ed.  Your advice may be sound if one is
using Pine's rather wimpy built-in composer, but the problem may not
occur (or, at least, so severely) if one is using an alternate editor,
as permitted in the Pine configuration.

    For example, I use Joe 2.8 as my editor on a Un*x system.  (I
should specify that that latter fact is highly relevant.)  From time 
to time I experience a carrier drop when I am composing.  When the
connection breaks, Un*x sends a signal to my immediately active
process, Joe, which writes the workspace out to my current directory
under a reserved name.  Then Un*x cleans up and terminates the session. 
When I log back on, I can start the composition again and read in the
saved file, losing no more than a few keystrokes, and sometimes not
even that.  I presume that other, more sophisticated editors than the
Pine composer, could do the same thing under Un*x.  I haven't lost any
work yet, and I _do_ suffer carrier drops.

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Greetings:

I am also a subscriber of IBM Global Network and, like yourself, tried to
use Pine to read/send mail and do news.  However, I was forced to abandon
my efforts in this direction for the time being because I discovered that
the the IBM pop-mail (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net) host does NOT support the IMAP
protocol.  

Now, maybe Amiga Pine, like its UNIX cousin, supports POP3 but PC Pine for
Windows 95 does not. :(

Good luck!

Regards,

Chester Paul S'groi           Pax Christi
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Fred Heitkamp <fheitka@ibm.net> wrote in article
<5h8g16$1jgo$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>...
> I download pine 3.93 for the Amiga and was amazed at how much
> nicer it was than 3.91.  Anyway, when I put the server names in
> the .pinerc file and try to check my mail I get a 'no such host'
> error.  When I ping the hosts they are there.  The server 
> name seems to be correct in the error message. e.g.
> pop01.ny.us.ibm.net.   Also I get a message like 'can't file
> >NIL:'  which is really strange.
> 
> I am using AmiTCP 4.0 demo, and the UUCP stuff.
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> -- 
> Fred Heitkamp
> E-mail: fheitka@ibm.net or fheitkamp@worldnet.att.net
> 

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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
  >On 30 Mar 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:
  >> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:

  >> > [Regarding the loss of a message under composition when
  >> > [the carrier dropped on a dial-up connection]
  >>
  >> 	Sorry, your message is lost.
  >>
  >> 	There is another message in its place, however.  That message is
  >> something everyone should know. *Never* type in a long (or even short)
  >> important email over a dialup connection. [...]
  >
  >    I do not entirely agree, Ed.  Your advice may be sound if one is
  >using Pine's rather wimpy built-in composer, but the problem may not
  >occur (or, at least, so severely) if one is using an alternate editor,
  >as permitted in the Pine configuration.

[snipped eloquent praise of joe]

*clapclap* I think Paul's remark is really touching a sore spot with pine.
Pico really isn't that great and joe isn't that much bigger. Is there any
reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead of joe? I don't
see any real disadvantages that joe might have. Besides, it can be run as
jpico... :-/

So, imvho, either pico needs some improvements (like better yanking,
foolproof autosave and a couple of other small things) or maybe joe might
just be a better alternative. And yes, I don't like vim, Sven >;->

Later,
Robin

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I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?


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You don't need Joe, etc to have your work be saved.  I use Pine 3.95
with the so-called 'wimpy' internal editor, and my work is not lost if
the connection is lost.  It is saved.  It seems like magic...  I think
it has to do more with how the system is setup than the particular
editor you are using.

Kevin


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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
->*clapclap* I think Paul's remark is really touching a sore spot with pine.
->Pico really isn't that great and joe isn't that much bigger. Is there any
->reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead of joe? I don't
->see any real disadvantages that joe might have. Besides, it can be run as
->jpico... :-/

Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple.  I have talked with
Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point.  And I
agree with them.  I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
very quickly and not worry about having too many commands.  And by
being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly.  The only thing I
miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

Kevin


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<SNIP>
>     However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
> dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks.  They have not
> dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
> back.  But it is annoying, to say the least.  The dropping of
</SNIP>

I wish I had more detail for you, unfortunately I'm running under Win 
95 right now, but I remember getting the same thing using joe 
to edit/create HTML files.  I don't know if it was ONLY HTML files, 
but that's mostly what I use it for.  At the time I was running Linux 
2.0.0 and older, now I run Linux 2.0.29 with whatever joe came with 
slackware-3.2.-beta and I haven't seen it since.

  Jason

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That's the intended behavior...
In Pine 4.x you'll have some choices for where the cursor lands when
opening incoming folders.

-teg

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> In the folder collections, upon opening the cursor always sits at the last
> message in the folder, whereas it sits on the first unread message in the
> regular incoming folders. Did I miss a setting or is this the wanted
> behaviour?
> 
> TIA,
> Robin
> 
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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Knute Snortum wrote:

> Has anyone been using Pine 3.91 through 3.95 successfully with SCO
> System V?  We are getting huge core dumps almost daily.  We use mostly
> PC's running TinyTerm via TCP if that matters.
> 
> Will 3.96 solve the problem?  Does anyone have a binary for SCO SV of
> 3.96?
> 
> This may be one of those "why ask why?" questions, but why doesn't the U
> of W support SCO?  Maybe because there aren't enough users to warrant
> it...

There certainly are not enough of them at UW!  Sorry...

(I do believe others have succeeded in getting recent Pines to work on
SCO, however. Perhaps one of them will offer the magic incantation.)

-teg


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How are you accessing your inbox?  You should not see this message if you
are using IMAP to access your INBOX (which is the intended method).

-teg

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Tom D. Baccanti wrote:

> This message appears in my mailbox when I send mail thru pc pine
> under win95.
> 
> 
> This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
> a real message.  It is created automatically by the mail system software.
> If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
> with the data reset to initial values.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom D. Baccanti       /** Reach me at Internet:  TDB@Deltanet.com
> Visit The Outpost today at Http://users.deltanet.com/~tdb
>  
>  
> 


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Big Chief,
Pine does attempt to detect "hangups" and preserve your work;
however, for reasons not yet understood, it doesn't always succeed.

As a backup, recent versions of Pine will write a checkpoint file
every 250 keystrokes or so.  These will be in your home directory
with names like  #pico23005#

Hope this helps...

-teg

On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:

> I just spent all day writing an assigment for my economics class.  The
> moment I finished and went to proofread, the cursor froze and the words 
> NO CARRIER
> appeared on the screen.  I was forced to quit the program.  I reconnected
> and found that my paper had been completely lost. This has happened
> before, usually it asks if I want to continue with my interrupted message.
> What I wrote was very good, I don't want nor have the time to do it again.
> Can you please help me to find my lost message?  The method I used for the
> address was to pull up an old letter and simply press 'R' for reply - if
> that information helps at all.  the address was
> Widerqui@fasecon.econ.nyu.edu.  Please help me.
> 
> 


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Terry Gray noted,
> As a backup, recent versions of Pine will write a checkpoint file
> every 250 keystrokes or so.  These will be in your home directory
> with names like  #pico23005#

A user here was just saved retyping a long message by this.

This also means I was mistaken recently in saying Pine Composer does
not auto-save at all as Emacs does and that this is a Pine bug.  

Joseph Brennan  Postmaster  Academic Information Systems
                Columbia University in the City of New York
                postmaster@columbia.edu


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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Kevin J. Sinclair wrote:
  >On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

  >->Is there any reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead
  >->of joe? I don't see any real disadvantages that joe might have.
  >->Besides, it can be run as jpico... :-/
  >
  >Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple.  

But so is jpico.

  >I have talked with Pine developers before about this, such as about an
  >idea to add a new feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this
  >point. 

Ok, so much for that discussion then :-)

  >And I agree with them. I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can
  >type very quickly and not worry about having too many commands. And by
  >being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly. The only thing I
  >miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

Have you ever tried yanking a message like yours with pico? When I started
using pine, I did, and 2 minutes later, I had an alternative editor set up.
Yanking with pico is a pain, and it would certainly not have got me "up to
speed" having had to yank your message manually --- quite the contrary :-/

As for "having too many commands", I have to disagree --- these are the
commands you get with jpico, and you could of course take away some for
beginners (hope this comes out ok...) :

##############################################################################
   Help Screen    turn off with ^G     more help with ^[. (ESC .)

CURSOR           GO TO            BLOCK      DELETE    MISC         EXIT
^B left ^F right ^[Y top of file  ^^  mark   ^D  char  ^J   format  ^X save
^P up   ^N down  ^[V end of file  ^K  cut    ^K  line  ^T   spell   ^C abort
^Y prev. screen  ^A  beg. of line ^U  paste  ^[K >line ^[T  file    ^Z shell
^V next screen   ^E  end of line  ^[U select ^[H word< ^L   refresh FILE
^@  prev. word   ^[L line No.     ^O  save   ^[D >word ^[^[ options ^O save
^_  next word    ^W  find text    ^[/ filter ^[- undo  ^[=  redo    ^R insert
##############################################################################

I cannot see what's too complicated with that. But then again, I'm using
emacs... >:->

Cheers,
Robin

  Robin S. Socha	  | Bonner Talweg 56  | Tel:   +49 228 22217-8
  Political Science Dept. | 53113 Bonn        | Fax:   +49 228 22217-9
  Bonn University  	  | Germany           | email: uzs8kb@uni-bonn.de

       On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"  
	       			      ...  so I got myself Linux. 


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:46:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ABELES <fabeles@turbo.kean.edu>
To: Pine Developers <pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu>
Cc: fabeles@turbo.kean.edu
Subject: Bug (ID 3899W): 

I recently installed windows 95 and can no longer print email as hard copy.
Can you suggest how to correct this problem?

                     With Thanks,
                     F. Abeles
                     
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I am running a system that used sendmail with imapd, rimapd and pop3 for
mail access.

I have set up mail access to work remotely through pine using the 

	inbox={mailhost.dstc.uts.edu.au}inbox 

and have .rhosts set up to allow opening inbox without putting the
password in. 

The only thing is that it no longer works, and I was puzzled at why,
until I created a new user account, and initially the new user could log
in without typing in the password, but once netscape was used to
retrieve mail, pine will always ask for a password. This is regardless
of whether a .rhosts exists or not.

I can't be sure if this is the reason, but it seems as though it is. 
I've checked out dot files in my home directory to see if anything could
be causing problems, but all seems fine...

Has anyone else seen this problem before??? or does anyone have any
ideas...???


marty


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References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970402160842.4937A-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <Pine.SUN.3.95.970402091841.29448Q-100000@foxtrot.rahul.net>
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On 2 Apr 1997 10:27:27 -0800, Kevin J. Sinclair <kjs@computer.com> wrote:
>
>Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple.  I have talked with
>Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
>feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point.  And I
>agree with them.  I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
>very quickly and not worry about having too many commands.  And by
>being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly.  The only thing I
>miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

When viewing a message, press 'w', to search for a word. When composing a
message, (in the highly exalted pico editor), press '^W', for the same
command.

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On 2 Apr 1997, Sandra Wald wrote:

> I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
> messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
> used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
> inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
> check both locations for inbox mail.

Unix Pine does not have the "mbox" driver compiled in by default, but
the latest IMAP4rev1 servers do.  However, the mbox driver should not
move any mail unless the mbox file already exists, and is in a valid
format.  The quick fix would be to rename the mbox file and copy the
messages back to INBOX.  To make sure this doesn't happen again, check
to see that Unix Pine and your IMAP server are compiled with the same
set of drivers.  If you compile both out of the same Pine
distribution, that is done automatically.

Hope that helps!

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:

> I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
> I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?

!NO GRITE POR FAVOR!

Your picture is probably uuencoded so that it can be included as text in
the body of the message. 

Try saving it to a file and enter the command "uudecode [filename]".  You
need not delete any header info and test before the "start" instruction -
uudecode is smart enough to find the part it has to work on.

If you are reading mail stored on your computer and not on a Unix server,
you can find freely distributable uuencode and uudecode programs for
almost any platform.

Si prefiere que repita esto en espan~ol, envieme un E-mail directamente a:

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	Hello...
  
	We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages
with
	TCP/IP DOS aplication, never present problems with option
"attchm-to-ansi".

	Now we change our computers with W95, the users want still access pine in
	a server unix, with telnet of W95. Unfortunately W95 telnet has many
problems
	to print with option "attchm-to-ansi", simple, no print.

	Now a days we use pine 3.94 for UNIX of HP-UX 9.05.

	Could you tell us, how to resolv this problem ? 
	We really need help

	Any help would be appreciated it.

	jojuarez@server.contad.unam.mx
	mmendez@server.contad.unam.mx

	xospa@servidor.unam.mx


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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, ABELES wrote:

  >I recently installed windows 95 and can no longer print email as hard
  >copy. Can you suggest how to correct this problem?

Your config says you're printing "attached-to-ansi".

Here's a snippet from the faq:

  Why doesn't "attached-to-ansi" printing work?

   So-called "attached-to-ansi" printing relies on the communication
   software you are using to interpret certain special characater
   sequences that tell it to divert the incoming stream of characters to
   your printer, and then back to your screen. Perhaps 99% of "pine
   printing problems" are either due to PC or Mac communications software
   that doesn't understand ANSI escape sequences for printing, or (in the
   dialin case) softare flow- control problems.
[...]

 1. Check For Software Flow-Control Problems
    A. Try enabling "preserve-start-stop-characters" (requires 3.91 or
       later)
    B. If that doesn't help, verify that the OS is enabling s/w flow
       control; if it isn't, you can either change that in a global
       .login script, or as a worst case, wrap pine in a script that does
       it.  By the way, on our AIX systems, we had to execute "stty -ixon"
       followed by "stty ixon" --no one here knows why the first stty is
       needed. (Note that explicitly enabling s/w flow control in the OS
       will not be needed in 3.92 or later).
    C. If neither of the above apply, double-check that you actually have
       *some* kind of flow control enabled on your system, either hardware
       or software.

 2. Check Your Comm Software For Ansi Printing Capability
    A. After ruling out s/w flow control problems, if printing still doesn't
       work, the odds are that the PC or Mac comm s/w is at fault. I don't
       know how to determine this other than via trial-and-error and
       word-of-mouth.
    B. The "ansiprt" utility included in the pine distribution can also be
       used for testing. It simply sends the specified text file to user's
       terminal device, bracketed with the ANSI escape sequences for print
       diversion. This is just what Pine does as well (although some
       versions of ansiprt offer a few options not available via Pine.)

 3. Possible Other Printing Problems
    A. Printing via Pine's "attached-to-ansi" facility to a postscript-only
       printer. Pine does not yet have the ability to encapsulate text into
       postscript, ala "enscript", so the custom print option using enscript
       and ansiprt will be needed in that case.
    B. Other printer-specific configuration problems.  For example, whether
       or not the printer needs a trailing formfeed to eject the last page,
       or a control-D, or non-Unix newline conventions, etc. Many of these
       problem will also require using the custom print command option and
       "ansiprt".


Hope that helps and stuff...

Later,
Robin

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On 2 Apr 1997, Jorge Juarez Xospa wrote:

  >We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages
  >with TCP/IP DOS aplication, never present problems with option
  >"attchm-to-ansi".
  >Now we change our computers with W95, the users want still access pine in
  >a server unix, with telnet of W95. Unfortunately W95 telnet has many
  >problems to print with option "attchm-to-ansi", simple, no print.
  >Now a days we use pine 3.94 for UNIX of HP-UX 9.05.
  >Could you tell us, how to resolv this problem ?

Here's something from the "secrets" for a change:

     * Experience has shown that printing difficulties using Pine's
       "Attached-to-ANSI" feature are almost always due to problems with the
       PC or Mac communication programs being used (not all of them
       implement the ANSI standard control sequences for printing), or the
       printer configuration on the PC or Mac; however, there are cases
       where Pine's printing assumptions don't match what your printer
       requires (e.g. specific End-of-line convention, or suppression of the
       trailing form-feed to eject the last page, or needing PostScript). In
       these cases, setting a custom print command may be appropriate,
       perhaps using the "ansiprt" Unix command included in the Pine
       distribution and the commonly available "enscript" postscript encoder
       command.

Make sure to check the FAQ for further information... This document, as well
as other valuable information on pine can be obtained from *yawn*:

	http://www.washington.edu/pine              

  >We really need help

Si, and you need something to fix your line--length, too... Your mail looked
kinda "not so good" to say the least %-/

Cheers,
Robin

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In article <slrn5k68hu.2i4.sp_robi@Elvira.home>,
Sylvain Robitaille <sp_robi@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
>On 2 Apr 1997 10:27:27 -0800, Kevin J. Sinclair <kjs@computer.com> wrote:
>>
>>Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple.  I have talked with
>>Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
>>feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point.  And I
>>agree with them.  I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
>>very quickly and not worry about having too many commands.  And by
>>being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly.  The only thing I
>>miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.
>
>When viewing a message, press 'w', to search for a word. When composing a
>message, (in the highly exalted pico editor), press '^W', for the same
>command.

Much as I enjoy using Pine as my regular mail program (albeit with
enable-alternate-editor-implicitly set to vim), I would prefer that it
stick to the standard UNIX conventions (like ctrl-U to erase the current
line rather than ctrl-K; using '/' to search rather than ctrl-W).

Otherwise, yes, it is actually a model program in how it manages to achieve
an acceptible compromise between simplicity and usability (and it is _very_
usable, when combined with a decent editor and procmail).

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On 2 Apr 1997, Steve Simmons wrote:

> Steve Machol <smachol@wco.com> writes:
> 
> >The point of my question was - how do I filter on the "Bcc:" field?
> >If I could do this, then I can effectively eliminate any spam sent to
> >me usinf Bcc.
> 
> You're out of luck.  There are a number of mailer agents which put
> no Bcc: field in the message sent, and the spammers use them.

    There is another point being overlooked here.  Bcc: was not
conjured up a long time ago merely to make life easier for spammers. 
It has a real, real-world, and specific purpose to aid privacy.  I have
sent mail with Bcc: for just that purpose, and I have been a Bcc:
recipient for just that purpose.  Trying to discard *every* piece of
mail that comes via Bcc: could mean that you discard some important
personal mail.

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Hello, 

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to block mails from coming from a 
certain address. For instance, if I don't want to get any emails from
the address abc@def.ghi.edu, the mails will be bounced back to "abc" 
whenever "abc" sends me emails.

Thanks in advance.

Anand


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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Anand Virani wrote:

  >Can anyone tell me if there is a way to block mails from coming from a
  >certain address. 
  
- From "FAQ.where":

     Pine does not perform delivery filtering; that is the function of other
     programs, such as (on Unix hosts) "procmail" or "mailagent."
     For details on selection and configuration of such programs, see the
     Filtering Mail FAQ (by Nancy McGough) at one of the following
     locations:

	http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
	       faq.html
	http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
        ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
        ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq

  >For instance, if I don't want to get any emails from the address
  >abc@def.ghi.edu, the mails will be bounced back to "abc" whenever "abc"
  >sends me emails.

Bouncing is nice but not very useful. Either send those mails to /dev/null
or create a kill-file that does something else with them. Remember to test
this file *thoroughly* before using it *blush*. With procmail, the following
should do:

:0:
* ^From.*rcummins
/dev/null

to filter all mail from a certain loser whose email address contains the
appropriate characters.

Otherwise, check the procmail man pages and mailing list (which is
*really* good). 

Later,
Robin

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I have occasion to compose messages in French, Spanish, and German using Pine (I'm using version
3.9.something; I forget the exact version number). On my computer using Windows 95 at work I
have no problem supplying the various unlauts, circumflexes, etc. using the Windows convention
of ALT + numeric pad key. 

At home I use a Macintosh. When I'm in Pine, the Mac convention of adding diacritics by pressing
the Option with another key doesn't work.

Can anyone tell me if there is some way of adding diacritics in Pine on a Mac?

 
Buzz Haughton
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When April began, pine 3.96 asked me to move current "sentmail" to
"sent-mail-mar-1997" for about 24 hours!

Can I configure pine to ask this once? where?

Thanks.

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Subject: pc pine, Unix Pine IMAP server and inboxes
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I am having a problem with inboxes that Pine uses. I have my mail on an
unix system. I have been using Pine for a couple of years, currently using
version 3.95 on unix. Yesterday I tried pc pine for the first time and
configured it to read my unix mail. Once Pc Pine had read the inbox, then
the Unix version of Pine no longer had any messages in its inbox. (I
originally had 5 read message in my pine inbox.)

Here is my setting for Pine on UNix:
personal-name            = Sandra J. Wald
user-domain              = <No Value Set>
smtp-server              = <No Value Set>
nntp-server              = news.doit.wisc.edu
inbox-path               = <No Value Set: using "inbox">
folder-collections       = mail/[]
news-collections         = <Empty Value> 
incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
pruned-folders           = <No Value Set>
default-fcc              = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">   
default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">

default-fcc              = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
postponed-folder         = <No Value Set: using "postponed-msgs">
read-message-folder      = <No Value Set>
signature-file           = <No Value Set: using ".signature">
global-address-book      = <No Value Set>
address-book             = <No Value Set: using ".addressbook">
feature-list             =


I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
check both locations for inbox mail. If I configure Unix Pine as follows:
inbox-path               = {ssc.wisc.edu}inbox

ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
also houses an Imap server.

ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
also houses an Imap server.

When Unix Pine is started using this config then I get the following,
where I must login into the mail server called duncan:
   Copyright 1989-1996.  PINE is a trademark of the University of
Washington.
HOST: duncan.ssc.wisc.edu  ENTER LOGIN NAME: swald
^G Help
^C Cancel   Ret Accept

After I log in then I will see my 5 mail messages in the inbox.

So it seems IMAP Server checks both locations.

*******  the question *************


1. Is there some way to configure the IMAP server so it leaves mail in the
System INBOX and does not move inbox mail once retrieved to unix mbox?

We notice that Netscape also seems to have a problem retrieving inbox mail
once the mail has gone thru imap server.


thank you,
Sandra


-- 
Sandra J. Wald
swald@ssc.wisc.edu
(608) 265-4922

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Some mail application readers support the "Proposed Standard for Message
Encapsulation", aka RFC-934.  The digest is put together using a dash
(decimal code 45, "-") which acts as an encapsulation boundary.  Some
newgroups are also formatted this way when mailed.

Is it likely that pine will support a digest and bursting option for
forwarding messages containing several encapsulations in addition
to multiple attachments that it currently does?


Thanks,

Mark Colosia
Fermi Natl Lab
Batavia, IL, USA


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I have a user who has a number of folders that, for some unknown reason,
Pine thinks should be read-only.

I have tried twiddling with the "From " headers, restarting the NFS
daemons on the machine that serves the files (including the lockd) and
even tried copying the file and looking at that copy. None of these
remedies changed anything. The file shows up as one big message that is
read only.

Any Ideas?

Pine 3.95q on SunOS 4.1.x

TIA

Hacksaw = David Charles Todd
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Hacksaw's Opinions != BBN's Opinions
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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Who am I? wrote:

> 
> This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.
> 
> *****************************************************************************
>     Albert Chi                     Cal Hoops '96-97:  Hope for the Future?

Not *positive* but 3.96 seems to have fixed that little prob....I tried
for two afternoons with my smail config and my pine configs to make my
name appear instead of the email address I had send the message to....now
it magically works fine...prolly just the upgrade to 3.96 that did it
though. ymmv


Richard Morin
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	I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system 
does not know how to display it.  Is there anything I can do to fix 
this?  What should I do?
					Thanks.

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Can anyone send me a copy of a mail bomb but don't activate it on me??? I
don't have the mail bomb software and i would like to have it??? If anyone
can get it for me i will try to do a favor for them.... Thanks alot all
cya!!!!!

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lrodr444@neors.cat.cc.md.us (Leonardo J. Rodriguez):
> I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system does not know
> how to display it.  Is there anything I can do to fix this?  What should I
> do?

Give info!  We cannot see your system from here!  (Newbies - sheesh!)

Sven

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> e-mail to each person in that file?
	Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
(ake address) on it, and go from there.

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP)                 There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress                   Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120             stink less.
rrne@loc.gov            I speak for me.Only.



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You are correct. This ought to work and it is a bug that it doesn't. It
will be fixed in next version of Pine. We'll also try to take a
look at the documentation. Thanks!

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle


On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> [...]
>
>     pine -l -Il,SPACE
> 
> will start Pine and locate the cursor/highlight on the last line of the
> second (news) folder collection.  However,
> 
>     pine -l -Il,SPACE,UP,UP,UP
> 
> draws this error messsage:
> 
> [Mixed characters and function keys in "initial-keystroke-list", skipping!]
> 
> Unless I have overlooked something in the online documentation, this
> second string ought to work, but it doesn't.  A query to my ISP's help
> desk has gone unanswered.  Anybody with a similar experience or
> suggestions?
> 
> Thanks very much.
> Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>


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I checked the Faq but didn't see an answer.

Is there a way to exit PINE without it saving changes
such as which messages were read and leaving the inbox
intact before the PINE access?

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Steven Premeau wrote:
> I have been dealing with Pine on an AIX 4.2 machine.  We have
> configured pine to handle Tenex folders.  One of our users came by, and
> said he was getting the following error: "COPY failed: Invalid
> Berkeley-format mailbox name: .."

I don't know whether or not this helps you find the problem, but this
error message only happens if the *source* mailbox is in Berkeley format.

-- Mark --

Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.


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From: DONALD PEDDER <dpedder@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
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   I am using Pine 3.91. I have posted to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/email
and not gotten an answer. I want to know how to change my "from" address to
include "nospam" or similar (when posting publically. i.e. usenet). I looked
online, and could find many a reference TO it, but not how to DO it.
   I have a NEW ISP from tomorrow, and DON'T want my new address to be
attacked by spam like THIS address has been recently (following usenet
postings). 

  Thanks.



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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:
  >On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

  >> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses, and create a
  >> maillist, or in some other way to send e-mail to each person in that
  >> file?
  >	Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I haven't tried):
  >import the file into the text of a message to yourself; send it; when it
  >arrives, use T (ake address) on it, and go from there.

Good idea for a small list, maybe not so good for a long one...

Check the format of the file containing the addresses. If it isn't ascii,
convert it. Then check the format of the file ~/.addressbook. See if the two
formats somehow match. Then throw up your hands in dispair and get someone
who knows a little perl. It shouldn't be a problem to convert it. You
probably don't want to use pine for running a mailing list, though :-)

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 GUMP3038@aol.com wrote:

My, my...

<!-- Antagonistic criticism follows... 

  >Can anyone send me a copy of a mail bomb but don't activate it on me??? I
  >don't have the mail bomb software and i would like to have it??? If anyone
  >can get it for me i will try to do a favor for them.... Thanks alot all
  >cya!!!!!

Well, what your mail is lacking in style and design (no all caps, not enough
exclamation marks, not enough typoes...), it makes good for in content.

Dear GUMP3038@aol.com, here's what you need to do:

1. Get a copy of the netiquette, the email faq or some common-sense advice
   from your mama. You don't want to mail bomb people. You *really* don't.
2. *Never* mess with people who could turn your sorry little account out
   with the flick of a wrist. If you don't know what a postmaster is, you'll
   probably learn RSN.
3. Get a life. Or better: Get a mouse chord and hang yourself.

flame off -->

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Leonardo J. Rodriguez wrote:

  >	I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system does
  >not know how to display it. Is there anything I can do to fix this? What
  >should I do?

That depends... If it's the usual cheerful brick through your living room
window, there's not much you can do --- except get used to local customs.
>:->

Otherwise, go to the S(etup), C(onfig) screen and set the character set like
this:

# Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII.
# Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9).
character-set=iso-8859-1


Enjoy,
Robin

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Hi, I am using Pine on Linux.  How do I configure pine and use it with
my POP3 server?  I use a dial-in access to my ISP for internet access. 
How do I log on to my POP3 server?  I can send mail right now, but I
cannot receive mail.

However, I still have one problem in sending mail.  My email address is
jlau@clo.com

But when I send mail, my email address becomes root@clo.com
Must have create a separate account with the username jlau in order for
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Thanks in advnace.  Please reply via mail.

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References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331222101.18849B-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <Pine.LNX.3.96.970402174209.1256H-100000@k2.ashpool.com> <5i1215$80b@s10.math.uah.edu>
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On 3 Apr 1997 13:56:21 -0600,
Randy Gober LTA/GRA <randyg@s10.math.uah.edu> wrote:

>In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.970402174209.1256H-100000@k2.ashpool.com>,
>Nathan D Richards  <nathanr@paradise.ashpool.com> wrote:
>>Email viruses are a hoax!
>>There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
>>
>
>Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point
>on the "Better Times Virus"

You only get the point if you've read the Good Times Virus alerts. Anybody who
reads this newsgroup with any amount of regularity, (that would require a
termninal in the reading room, right? I'll have to get on that), would know
that Robin knows enough to not have been sending that seriously. Now, even if
someone didn't know that, if they read the message carefully, they'd see
enough clues to indicate that this was not just any hoax, but a hoaxed hoax.

So what does the Socha virus do, btw???

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Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
e-mail to each person in that file? I'm only talking
< 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each one
in separately.

Thanks for any help...

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer

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On 1 Apr 1997, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

> Well, if you did not read the whole thing, you missed a very "Good Time".
> It was one of the better parodies of the "newbie virus" that I have seen.
> Of course, people who read email with MS's MUA's and who have Word on their
> systems really *do* have to worry about reading the wrong email messages,
> because of Word macro viruses.
Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
random people in your address book ...

The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.

The virus message has the subject "You have GOT to read this!"

The virus/worm is called 'ShareTheFun' ...

--
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.cix.co.uk>)


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ken@mango.human.cornell.edu wrote:

>snip<
 
> But then, how many people in this newsgroup read their mail in Netscape
> anyway? <g>
> 
> -Ken

Oops! No wonder I couldn't find any naked lady binaries to decode!

Seriously, I find lurking a very educational hobby. If I'm going to be
talking to Unix boxes, I'm not afraid to try to learn when and where I
can.

Thanks for the education.
-- 
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Sometimes when I am responding to a message I choose to include some of the
text of the message. When I attempt to send it I get error messages which
include a number. I end up abandoning and starting from scratch. How can
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On 4 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
  >Randy Gober LTA/GRA <randyg@s10.math.uah.edu> wrote:
  >>Nathan D Richards  <nathanr@paradise.ashpool.com> wrote:

  >>>Email viruses are a hoax! There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
  >>Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point on the
  >>"Better Times Virus"
  >You only get the point if you've read the Good Times Virus alerts.
  >Anybody who reads this newsgroup with any amount of regularity, (that
  >would require a termninal in the reading room, right? I'll have to get on
  >that), 
  
You don't have one yet? Couldn't live without it >:->
  
  >would know that Robin knows enough to not have been sending that
  >seriously. 

Shhhh, you're runing my reputation :)

  >So what does the Socha virus do, btw???

It turns you into a really KeWL guy with a profound knowledge of nothing
special, a revolting sense of humour, a large set of random flames just a
keystroke away and a throng of fervent adorers like that certain loser
somewhere at the other end of intelligence.

Get it while you can!

Be warned though, there is a lame copy out there that infects *.com and
*.exe files. But who's using Windos, anyway? What's a virus? Bill WHO?

Later,
Robin

P.S. *blush*

-    Keep your questions and comments relevant to the focus of
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Well, whatever...


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:
  >On 1 Apr 1997, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

["interesting" stuff about Wixword snipped]
  >Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
  >will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
  >random people in your address book ...

Thousands of Beta testers for Windos 00 or whatever the name was have found
a macro virus that will startup microsoft mail and mail a list of all files
on their system to Gates, along with some private stuff. So what? You ask
for it, you get it... Besides, that virus is at least 6 months old *yawn*
and a lame one, too... I like the one that fdisks your hdds without prior
notice. I think it's called NT 4.0 or something.

  >The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.

You read with your hands? Interesting idea, but since it's Word...
everything is possible... Where do you want to grab today?

  >The virus message has the subject "You have GOT to read this!"

Naah, the virus message has the subject "made for Windows 3.x or better". It
doesn't say "You have GOT to trash this!", though. Gates ought to be sued
for criminal negligence...

  >The virus/worm is called 'ShareTheFun' ...

It's called "ShareWare" and comes on handcrafted CDs with 650MB zipped
"commericial" software that doesn't have any copy protection to speak of.

Serious threat: Either you guys stop this thread, or at least have the
decency to take my name off the subject line. TIA. :)

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

  >Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses, and create a
  >maillist, or in some other way to send e-mail to each person in that
  >file? I'm only talking < 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each
  >one in separately.

Two things for you to do:

1) Take a look at the format of .addressbook. Make your file match this
format. Since it's a fixed set of addresses, you might only need the entry
for the actual address, so that's a couple of lines in perl or something.

2) Take a look at the manual for information on distribution lists and
alternate address books. You'll like it :-)

Later,
Robin

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Hello.  I used Pine for a long time when I had a shell account with
another provider.  I have since then switched providers, but the one
I'm currently with only allows PPP access w/o shell access. :-(  This
question goes out to the authors of Pine, in which: will there ever be
a version of PC-Pine dedicated to offline e-mail and POP?  Although
I've read  IMAP is obviously superior in POP in most ways, it's nice
to still use PC-Pine when that factor has been taken out.

Thanks,
-Eugene
-Eugene Wu (To write back, remove the "spambad" part of my e-mail address.)

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Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
where I want it?


                        Jack

I know you think you understood what I said,
but I'm not sure I said what you think I meant.

Try my home page http://www.erols.com/jpergal/ .


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References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331222101.18849B-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <Pine.LNX.3.96.970402174209.1256H-100000@k2.ashpool.com>
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.970402174209.1256H-100000@k2.ashpool.com>,
Nathan D Richards  <nathanr@paradise.ashpool.com> wrote:
>Email viruses are a hoax!
>There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
>

Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point
on the "Better Times Virus"


----Randy




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	My "inbox" folder is closed (I quote) <<due to acess problem>>. What is it 
about?
	Please Help me.
	Thank U.
	
	Joan-Manuel Baco, France.

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Yes, you can.

Try having a look at Pine's Setup Configuration screen; in particular at
the "signature-at-bottom" option there.

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Jack Pergal wrote:

> Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
> where I want it?
> 
> 
>                         Jack
> 
> I know you think you understood what I said,
> but I'm not sure I said what you think I meant.
> 
> Try my home page http://www.erols.com/jpergal/ .
> 
> 


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, joan manuel baco wrote:

  >My "inbox" folder is closed (I quote) <<due to acess problem>>. What is
  >it about?

Well, it's what it says: There's a lock on your inbox folder. That means
that you probably have two sessions open. Close one and the problem should
go away. Someone suggested a work-around, but I forget what it was...

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Jack Pergal wrote:

  >Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
  >where I want it?

>From the faq (yes! it *does* mean _frequently_ asked questions...)

Pine's default behavior encourages a user to put his or her contribution
before the inclusion of the original text of the message being forwarded or
replied to, This is contrary to some conventions, but makes the conversation
more readable when a long original message is included in a reply for
context. The reader doesn't have to scroll through the original text that he
or she has probably already seen to find the new text. If the reader wishes
to see the old message(s), the reader can scroll further into the message.
Users who prefer to add their input at the end of a message should set the
signature-at-bottom feature in the feature-list. The signature will then be
appended to the end of the message after any included text. This feature
applies when replying, not when forwarding.
         

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

> 
> Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
> will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
> random people in your address book ...
> 
> The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.
> 

So is it an email virus or a word virus ? Any virus can be sent as an
attachment. You need a mailer that auto explodes/executes them to
cause a problem. The fact that is makes specific use of your mailer to
then resend itself may make the difference. So it a MS Mail virus ?

--Sean



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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
		(snip)
> Check the format of the file containing the addresses. If it isn't ascii,
> convert it. Then check the format of the file ~/.addressbook. See if the two
> formats somehow match. Then throw up your hands in dispair and get someone
> who knows a little perl. It shouldn't be a problem to convert it. You
> probably don't want to use pine for running a mailing list, though :-)
		(snip)
	Once I manage to retire, I've *got* to buckle
down and go learn to program -- though of course then
I'll probably desist from running any sort of list...
:-)
	Happy Friday, all!

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP)                 There are no good spammers.
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Washington, DC 20540-4120             stink less.
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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sean Witham wrote:
  >On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

[snipped irrelevant stuff about a bunch of Visual Basic]
  >So is it an email virus or a word virus ? 
[snipped more whining about Word]

1. This is the pine discussion forum, not the Mickysoft loser list.
2. Even if it were an email virus, it would only affect people whose names
   are in MS-mail address books -- which is fine with me.
3. With Word Basic's capability of writing into the keyboard buffer, you can
   do almost anything. Why make a fuss about this? It's a Word Macro Virus
   that launches MS Mail. Nothing new about it, is there?

So will you twits stop using my name to discuss this bullcrap? There's Mime
Sweeper and a couple of other programs that care of these "viruses". After
all, they're just some Word Macros. If you don't find a way to disable the
autostart function for those macros, I'd say it's your own fault if you
nevertheless read mail from the net..

And: Who should send you these documents? Apart from the fact that I'm using
StarWriter for Linux (visit http://www.stardiv.de for a full office suite
for Linux for *free*) to open Word documents (what's a virus, anyway?), who
should send me that "infected" documents? If you read a document that isn't
pgp-signed; if you're reading stuff from a.s.s.; if you exchange Word
documents with people whose system you're not running yourself; if you
blablabla... In short: It's all your fault. In "times like these" with
millions of aol users on the loose, it's up to you to protect your system.
Using an operating system instead of Windos seems a good first step to me.

Could this thread be buried now, *prettyplease* ?   
   
TIA

Robin  

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do you know anything about pinus pondarosa.

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Sandra,
If messages disappear from your INBOX after running PC-Pine, look
closely at your *pc-pine* configuration... in particular, see if
there is a "read-message-folder" set. 

-teg

On 2 Apr 1997, Sandra Wald wrote:

> I am having a problem with inboxes that Pine uses. I have my mail on an
> unix system. I have been using Pine for a couple of years, currently using
> version 3.95 on unix. Yesterday I tried pc pine for the first time and
> configured it to read my unix mail. Once Pc Pine had read the inbox, then
> the Unix version of Pine no longer had any messages in its inbox. (I
> originally had 5 read message in my pine inbox.)
> 
> Here is my setting for Pine on UNix:
> personal-name            = Sandra J. Wald
> user-domain              = <No Value Set>
> smtp-server              = <No Value Set>
> nntp-server              = news.doit.wisc.edu
> inbox-path               = <No Value Set: using "inbox">
> folder-collections       = mail/[]
> news-collections         = <Empty Value> 
> incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
> pruned-folders           = <No Value Set>
> default-fcc              = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">   
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
> 
> default-fcc              = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
> postponed-folder         = <No Value Set: using "postponed-msgs">
> read-message-folder      = <No Value Set>
> signature-file           = <No Value Set: using ".signature">
> global-address-book      = <No Value Set>
> address-book             = <No Value Set: using ".addressbook">
> feature-list             =
> 
> 
> I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
> messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
> used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
> inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
> check both locations for inbox mail. If I configure Unix Pine as follows:
> inbox-path               = {ssc.wisc.edu}inbox
> 
> ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
> also houses an Imap server.
> 
> ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
> also houses an Imap server.
> 
> When Unix Pine is started using this config then I get the following,
> where I must login into the mail server called duncan:
>    Copyright 1989-1996.  PINE is a trademark of the University of
> Washington.
> HOST: duncan.ssc.wisc.edu  ENTER LOGIN NAME: swald
> ^G Help
> ^C Cancel   Ret Accept
> 
> After I log in then I will see my 5 mail messages in the inbox.
> 
> So it seems IMAP Server checks both locations.
> 
> *******  the question *************
> 
> 
> 1. Is there some way to configure the IMAP server so it leaves mail in the
> System INBOX and does not move inbox mail once retrieved to unix mbox?
> 
> We notice that Netscape also seems to have a problem retrieving inbox mail
> once the mail has gone thru imap server.
> 
> 
> thank you,
> Sandra
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sandra J. Wald
> swald@ssc.wisc.edu
> (608) 265-4922
> 


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R R Neuswanger (rrne@loc.gov) wrote:
: On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

: > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
: > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
: > e-mail to each person in that file?
: 	Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
: haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
: message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
: (ake address) on it, and go from there.

Thanks for the tip...
I tried the above and it did not work, anyone else ?

I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not
to spam anyone. You can check several newsgroups and 
see I am anti-spam.

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer - my real name and e-mail address !!

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The kludge really should have worked. Which version of pine are you using?
Would you mind trying the kludge but mailing it to me instead of you so I
can figure out why it didn't work? Thanks.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> R R Neuswanger (rrne@loc.gov) wrote:
> : On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
> 
> : > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> : > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> : > e-mail to each person in that file?
> : 	Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
> : haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
> : message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
> : (ake address) on it, and go from there.
> 
> Thanks for the tip...
> I tried the above and it did not work, anyone else ?
> 
> I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not
> to spam anyone. You can check several newsgroups and 
> see I am anti-spam.
> 
> Regards,
> Dennis M. Maurer - my real name and e-mail address !!
> 


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

I understand you philosophical interest in this particular problem :-), but
the easiest solution imvho would be to edit the ascii file. I mean,
extracting those addresses from the mail would take longer than actually
typing them, wouldn't it? I strongly suspect that a little regexp-magic
would do the same in fractions of a second, but then again, I'm not a perl
wizard...

Later,
Robin

  >The kludge really should have worked. Which version of pine are you
  >using? Would you mind trying the kludge but mailing it to me instead of
  >you so I can figure out why it didn't work? Thanks.
  >On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
  >> R R Neuswanger (rrne@loc.gov) wrote:
  >> : On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
  >> : > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
  >> : > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
  >> : > e-mail to each person in that file?
  >> : 	Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I haven't tried):
  >> : import the file into the text of a message to yourself; send it; when
  >> : it arrives, use T (ake address) on it, and go from there.
  >> Thanks for the tip... I tried the above and it did not work, anyone
  >> else ? I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not to spam
  >> anyone. You can check several newsgroups and see I am anti-spam.

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Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail?  Can't someone
else read e-mail addressed to me?  A prompt response would be most
appreciated.  Thank you - please respond to dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us

diane  a. walsh



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Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail?  Can't someone
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diane  a. walsh



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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:
> 
> I understand you philosophical interest in this particular problem :-), but
> the easiest solution imvho would be to edit the ascii file. I mean,
> extracting those addresses from the mail would take longer than actually
> typing them, wouldn't it? I strongly suspect that a little regexp-magic
> would do the same in fractions of a second, but then again, I'm not a perl
> wizard...
> 
> Later,
> Robin

Well, it only took about 10 seconds. Dennis sent me the file in mail, I
did Take, Listmode, A(setAll), Take and I have a list in my addressbook. I
mailed him the lines to append to his addressbook.

But actually I was even more interested in checking to see if there was a
bug that should be fixed before the next pine.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle



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On 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:

> I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
> I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?

1)  When you write to any newsgroup, please try to choose a descriptive
    title in the Subject: field of your messages.

2)  When you write in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, it is considered that you
    are shouting loudly and noisily at people.

3)  We cannot help you with your question until you provide more
    information.  The image file you received could be in any of
    several formats which could produce something like you see, so
    no one can help you without knowing what the format is.  Please
    write again and include perhaps the first six lines of the file 
    so we can see it.  Also please include information about what 
    computer operating system you are using.

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I have a very simple question for you.

We're running Pine 3.91 under SunOS.  When one of our users opens his
INBOX, he is placed at message #1 instead of the last message or the first
new message in the INBOX.  This only happens to one user.  All other users
are placed at the end of the INBOX or the first new message.  

Can you tell me how get Pine to jump to the first new message when the
INBOX is opened? 

Darin Fox			  		       	      USC Law School
dfox@law.usc.edu		 	      	http://www.usc.edu/dept/law/
Director of Information Technology		      (213) 740-1631 (voice)	
 and Computing Services			 	        (213) 740-7179 (fax)

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Oops, I forgot about that, too. You have to turn on the feature 

  enable-aggregate-command-set

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:

> 	I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
> things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
> selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
> go find them again; you must know off the top of your
> head.)


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It must already be on, it's looks good just the way it is,
I'm in the process of writing you a detailed response, so
I'll return to that...meantime:

IT WORKED !!!

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer - jumping for joy !!

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Oops, I forgot about that, too. You have to turn on the feature 
> 
>   enable-aggregate-command-set
> 
> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:
> 
> > 	I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
> > things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
> > selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
> > go find them again; you must know off the top of your
> > head.)
> 
> 

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Unfortunately, what the post was about, was not an email virus.  The =
message (if you read it) talks about a File attached to the message, and =
if you run the file, it will infect you with the virus.  "Good Times =
Virus" was a hoax, so the person who made the "Better Times" Virus =
thought everybody would think it was a hoax..  and by your attitude, you =
think it is.. =20

	-Mike


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Email viruses are a hoax!
There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:

> Unfortunately, what the post was about, was not an email virus.  The message (if you read it) talks about a File attached to the message, and if you run the file, it will infect you with the virus.  "Good Times Virus" was a hoax, so the person who made the "Better Times" Virus thought everybody would think it was a hoax..  and by your attitude, you think it is..  
I realized what it was.  it was an attempt at humour.
Sorry, my bad.


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Dennis, one other thought: if you start creating very
many long distribution lists, you can fill up your
.addressbook. (I think you can anyway.) 
	I often get warning messages, and sometimes
worse, when I add addresses, even when my space quota on
the pine machine is well below limit.
	There is a way to edit the .addressbook, which I
think I can still find, better than just going through
it and hitting d on individual entries.
	Another kludge, that I've set up but not tried
yet: when you take an address that you know you won't
want long, write "delete" in the comment field. Then
occasionally go into the addressbook, keep telling it w,
and delete each the slow way.
	If one of you others knows something better, I'd
like to have it.

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP)                 There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress                   Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120             stink less.
rrne@loc.gov            I speak for me.Only.



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Hello,

  I am regular user of pine. Currently using version 3.91.

  While sending mail I got this message and pine crashed.

  "bogus entry in cache list. Pine saving in ...pine-crash.
   Bug found in pine. Debug level of 2"

  Any help will be appreciated.

  Thanks in Advance.


+  Hrishikesh N. Talgery                                               +
+
+  Mail   : hnt@india.hp.com    29,Cunningham Road                     +
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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> e-mail to each person in that file? I'm only talking
> < 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each one
> in separately.
This is easy, in my favorite editor, takes about 30 seconds.

Take your list of addresses, one to a line:

Tom Jones <tom@king.dom.com>
Bill Smith <bill@micro.soft.com>
....

Append a comma to the end of each line, insert 3 spaces at the start of each
line. Replace the comma at the end of the last line with a ")".
Replace the 3 spaces at the start of the first line with:
      "thelist<TAB>thelist<TAB>("

The "<TAB>" means hit the tab key.

The add the file in the pine config as an extra address-book and put 'thelist'
on the 'BCC:' line of the message header.

PS: My favorite editor is vi ... cue an emacs fan ... :-)
--
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.cix.co.uk>)


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sean Witham wrote:
>   >On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:
> 
> [snipped irrelevant stuff about a bunch of Visual Basic]
>   >So is it an email virus or a word virus ? 
It's a word virus, like the man says, don't lose any sleep over it.

> [snipped more whining about Word]
I prefer wine.

> 1. This is the pine discussion forum, not the Mickysoft loser list.
Trees and furniture only A?

> 2. Even if it were an email virus, it would only affect people whose names
>    are in MS-mail address books -- which is fine with me.
_hopefully_ even ”soft aren't thick enough to make any software that allows
a true email virus, tho based on activeX I wouldn't make a bet.

> So will you twits stop using my name to discuss this bullcrap?
Isn't it wonderful how some people like to get up your nose, I bet you're
trying it 'cause you love all those messages all about you. Without your
_wonderful_ input this thread would have died already. 

> And: Who should send you these documents? Apart from the fact that I'm using
> StarWriter for Linux (visit http://www.stardiv.de for a full office suite
> for Linux for *free*) to open Word documents (what's a virus, anyway?), who
Can it open MS-Works docs too ? If it can I can reuse the JAZ disk that's
full of dross.

> should send me that "infected" documents? If you read a document that isn't
> ...
> Using an operating system instead of Windos seems a good first step to me.
Yes, Yes, we know 'doze == crap, but most suits have an unholy horror of the
'U' word. 

> Could this thread be buried now, *prettyplease* ?   
I _know_ you don't really want us to do that!

> begin 600 believe.uue
> M22`J<F5A;&QY*B!C86YN;W0@8F5L:65V92!Y;W4G<F4@<F5A9&EN9R!T:&ES BXN"@```
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Why not ? Of course it doesn't help that you've broken it.


- --
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.cix.co.uk>)

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Thank you for your prompt reply.  I suppose it is like a postcard
only you don't have to wait two weeks to receive it.  Am I correct
in assuming that?  Thanks!

diane  a. walsh


On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:

> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP).  Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
> 
> 	-Sphinx
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Diane A. Walsh [SMTP:dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
> Sent:	Friday, April 04, 1997 12:17 PM
> To:	Pine Discussion Forum
> Subject:	e-mail privacy
> 
> 
> 
> Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail?  Can't someone
> else read e-mail addressed to me?  A prompt response would be most
> appreciated.  Thank you - please respond to dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> 
> diane  a. walsh
> 
> 


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That is correct.


On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Diane A. Walsh wrote:

> Thank you for your prompt reply.  I suppose it is like a postcard
> only you don't have to wait two weeks to receive it.  Am I correct
> in assuming that?  Thanks!
> 
> diane  a. walsh
> 
> 
> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:
> 
> > Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP).  Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
> > 
> > 	-Sphinx
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Diane A. Walsh [SMTP:dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
> > Sent:	Friday, April 04, 1997 12:17 PM
> > To:	Pine Discussion Forum
> > Subject:	e-mail privacy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail?  Can't someone
> > else read e-mail addressed to me?  A prompt response would be most
> > appreciated.  Thank you - please respond to dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> > 
> > diane  a. walsh
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Andrew Le                  PHONE: (206) 254-9925
Casabyte LLC                 FAX: (206) 254-9926
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	Hi Robin S Socha...

	Thank you for your suggestions.

	We already resolved the problem, by reading the FAQ-pine-docs.

	Thanks a lot for your care.
	Sincerly

	Jorge Juarez

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:53:26 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Robin S Socha <uzs8kb@uni-bonn.de>
> To: Jorge Juarez Xospa <jojuarez@server.contad.unam.mx>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Printing problem Win95
> 
> On 2 Apr 1997, Jorge Juarez Xospa wrote:
> 
>   >We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages


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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sphinx wrote:

> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP).
> Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
Who needs a packet sniffer, on many systems the email spool directories
are global read (Though they shouldn't be) and root can always read any
mail.

The normal analogy is the email is about as private as a postcard.
Encryption (eg PGP) can quite reasonably considered like an envelope.

--
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.cix.co.uk>)



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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Andrew Le wrote:

> That is correct.
Grrrr, that's known as OLR lag!   :-)


--
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.cix.co.uk>)


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On 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Well, it only took about 10 seconds. Dennis sent me the file in mail, I
> did Take, Listmode, A(setAll), Take and I have a list in my addressbook. I
> mailed him the lines to append to his addressbook.

	I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
go find them again; you must know off the top of your
head.)


> But actually I was even more interested in checking to see if there was a
> bug that should be fixed before the next pine.

	Here's hoping we may (with some vestige of
legitimacy) take that as a sign of hope for 4.0 soon!
Strength to all your arms!

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP)                 There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress                   Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120             stink less.
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  >On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Diane A. Walsh wrote:
  >>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:
    
  >I suppose it is like a postcard only you don't have to wait two weeks to
  >receive it. Am I correct in assuming that?
  >> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP).  Anybody
  > with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..

Maybe a word about encryption might be appreciated:

   "PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a public key encryption package to protect
   E-mail and data files. It lets you communicate securely with people
   you've never met, with no secure channels needed for prior exchange of
   keys."
   
You can get PGP from the internet for almost any platform. It's easy to
install and can be used to secure the files on your system, too. 

There are a couple of filters available to use PGP with pine, most notably
pgp-pine by Roland Rosenfeld <roland@spinnaker.rhein.de>

	http://www.rhein.de/~roland/

and papp by Aldo Valente <aldo@rhein.de>

	http://www.rhein.de/~aldo/

The latter gives you the opportunity to store the passphrase for either the
session or (*not* good) in a file for general use.

So, if you think you need to exchange sensitive data, if you want to make
sure your message isn't garbled with, or if you want to make a political
statement for free speech on the internet, go for PGP.
        
Nice weekend and stuff,
Robin        
        
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Robin S. Socha,
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
To get my pgp public key, send an e-mail with the subject "get pgp-key"

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On 4 Apr 1997, Deutsch Joseph wrote:

> Is there a way to suppress the email addresses that appear in the header
> of a message that is addressed using a distribution list in pine?

    Yes.  It wasn't clear to me whether you are doing the sending 
to other people or whether somebody is sending to a lot of people
including you.  In either case, assuming the sender is using Pine:

1)  If the version of the sending Pine involved is recent enough (I 
    do not remember the cutoff version number), put the distribution 
    list name in the Lcc: field instead of the To: field;

2)  If the version of Pine is not recent enough, put the distribution
    list name in the Bcc: field; put _something_ in the To: field,
    such as the sender's own email address (do not leave it blank).

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Jim Love wrote:
> I'm sticking my neck out since I came here to visit and learn. I have
> access to Unix Pine from a web account and it is new to me. I cannot
> find a reference to 'user-domain' in my .pinerc and when I tried to
> define it, it wouldn't take. I thought I read a post in this group that
> stated the newest versions would not allow this. What's the straight
> scoop!

Try editing your .pinerc again adding a line like this:

 user-domain=bellsouth.net

And while you're at it, you probably want to set user-id, e.g.:

 user-id=jiminmem

Do a search through the file and make sure that each of these are
set only once.  Also make sure that this info is not being
overridden by a customized-hdrs setting, e.g.:

 customized-hdrs=From: Jim Love <bogus@bogosity.com>

Also, make sure that you do all your edits to your .pinerc while
pine is NOT running.

Good luck,
Nancy

PS re this part of your sig:

 > mailto:jiminmem@ix.netcom.com
 > mailto:jiminmem@bellsouth.net
 > mailto:jiminmem@cris.com     

A lot of spammers grep through news postings for email addresses so
giving out all these addresses might mean that you will get spammed
at all of them...

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Richard Morin wrote:
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970403135406.13224H-100000@joanrich>
>  References: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970331210359.18273B-100000@phish.nether.net>
>         <Pine.ULT.3.93.970401174111.8790C-100000@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>
> 
> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Who am I? wrote:
> 
> > 
> > This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.
> > 
> >***********************************************************************
> >     Albert Chi                     Cal Hoops '96-97:  Hope for the Future?
> 
> Not *positive* but 3.96 seems to have fixed that little prob....I tried
> for two afternoons with my smail config and my pine configs to make my
> name appear instead of the email address I had send the message to....now
> it magically works fine...prolly just the upgrade to 3.96 that did it
> though. ymmv
> 
> 
> Richard Morin
> joanarich@speedline.ca
>========================================================================
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>   And a fine little proggy it is too!  Heck, I don't even mind this message...
>                                   				-Rich M
 
When I started with Pine on CNC last August, I had Pine v 3.91 - went to
3.93, 3.95, now at 3.96. I *still* have the same problem mentioned by the
original poster. Nothing I've tried seems to help, and just moving to 3.96
surely didn't have an effect either way. Sounds like a good suggestion for
the wish list :-)
 

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WHERE CAN ONE FIND HELP DEFINING ERROR MESSAGES THAT POP UP WHILE TRYING TO
SEND E-MAIL? (EX. ERROR 257[?] CANNOT SEND...)

THANK YOU,
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>Nancy McGough wrote:
> 

 <most of message snipped>

> Good luck,
> Nancy
> 
> PS re this part of your sig:
> 
>  > mailto:jiminmem@ix.netcom.com
>  > mailto:jiminmem@bellsouth.net
>  > mailto:jiminmem@cris.com
> 
> A lot of spammers grep through news postings for email addresses so
> giving out all these addresses might mean that you will get spammed
> at all of them...
> 
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>            `-'

Nancy,

Thank you for your prompt, courteous, informative reply. I appreciate
you taking the time to respond. As per your comments regarding spammers,
I am well aware of their tactics. At this point in time, I prefer to
treat them the same way I treat all of my U.S. mail. If someone wishes
to communicate with me to discuss something, I like to make it as easy
as possible for them to contact me and I will be glad to share
knowledge. If it's junk, I throw it in the garbage like I do the US mail
junk. No big deal. I don't want to sound like it's some kind of macho
thing, (all 130 lbs. of me!) but I refuse to run and hide. I want to
make it easy for my friends to communicate with me, I ignore small
infractions on my privacy, and I think we all are learning the proper
ways (and the not so proper ways) to shut down true spammers.

Thanks again,
Sincerely
-- 
Jim Love

mailto:jiminmem@ix.netcom.com
mailto:jiminmem@bellsouth.net
mailto:jiminmem@cris.com     
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	I believe the standard plain-English answer is
that an email is a postcard -- if not, like your post
and all the others here including this one, a piece of
paper on a bulletin board. Never write anything in such
a place that you have *any* doubt about.
	There are horror stories, but they're pretty
much off-topic here, I think. Ask your guru.

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP)                 There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress                   Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120             stink less.
rrne@loc.gov            I speak for me.Only.



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Is there a way to suppress the email addresses that appear in the header
of a message that is addressed using a distribution list in pine?

Any help is appreciated.

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions 
to the mailing list -- which is mirrored in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine --
please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, 
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are 
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be 
accessed:

     - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
       http://www.washington.edu/pine/

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
       documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

     - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
       also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
       (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
       folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]
    

The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived.  These archives
can be accessed:

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        on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

     - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
       MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and 
       choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL: 

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ 
  or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Apr  6 03:00:07 PDT 1997

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Jorge Juárez Xospa wrote:

>         How can I delete a file from mail recived without delete the mail
> (message) ?

Yes, I need to know too! I receive a lot of mail with attached
photographs. The
text of the mail has descriptions of the photographs which I want to
save in a
mail folder. After I have saved the attachment in a file with Pine, I
don't need
the encoded attachment on the message, it just eats up valuable disk
space. Is
it possible to remove attachments from email with Pine like some other
email
programs do?

Thanks,

Bob Snyder  rgs@cts.com

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GUMP3038@aol.com wrote:
: Can anyone send me a copy of a mail bomb but don't activate it on me??? I
: don't have the mail bomb software and i would like to have it??? If anyone
: can get it for me i will try to do a favor for them.... Thanks alot all
: cya!!!!!

I suspect the following is not what you had in mind,... oh well.

Donald.

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Subject: Re: Warning: Better Times email Virus!!!
References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331222101.18849B-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <Pine.LNX.3.96.970402174209.1256H-100000@k2.ashpool.com> <5i0s8v$auf$1@news.eecs.umich.edu> <Pine.A32.3.95.970403144805.11632C-100000@mango.human.cornell.edu>
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ken@mango.human.cornell.edu (ken@mango.human.cornell.edu):
> >  >Email viruses are a hoax!
> >  >There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
> > For people using UNIX email programs on a UNIX machine, no,
> > but there do seem to be email viruses for Word that involve using the Word
> > macro language and having your email program launch Word as a viewer.
> There's also some dead simple JavaScript code that can wreak havoc with
> your machine if you read your email in Netscape with JavaScript enabled.
> Nothing really destructive, but it can lock-up Netscape, and crash some
> systems (haven't tried it on a Unix box yet).

Well, people using Word and/or Java deserve it.  :-)

Sven

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Dear Sir,
	I am at manage@hub.nic.in One of my friend has sent me an mail
with attatchments which I am unable to open with the help of Pine. Hence I
am forwarding you the mail so that you can help me in opening the same.
Thanking you very much for the trouble.
Sincerely yours,
Raja Sen

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Hello,

  I have been trying to read news with pine. I have set the
nntp-server variable in my .pinerc. For example,

nntp-server=news.nowhere.com

  But when I try to open one of the news folders of a group I
have subscribed to I get the error message

"480 Authentication required for command"

  I have a user name and password for the host serving me news, but
I can't figure out how to tell pine what they are. I have successfully
done this with another news reader (slrn) by putting this information
in its configuration file.

  I hope someone can tell me how I can tell pine what are the user name
and password to use when contacting my mail server.

Thanks,

David

+-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
|      David Chrisman         |   University of California, Riverside       |
|      David.Chrisman@cern.ch |   CERN PPE / OPAL                           |
+-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+


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On 4 Apr 1997, Deutsch Joseph wrote:

  >Is there a way to suppress the email addresses that appear in the header
  >of a message that is addressed using a distribution list in pine?

- From the FAQ:

  How do I send a message to multiple recipients without showing all their
  names?
    
  In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers area,
  press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the context-sensitive help
  screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.

RIF.

Robin

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I  am having a problem using pine.  Each time I try using it I get the 
message:  bug detected in pine.  Is there anyhting you can do to help?

Njeri

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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Manage Hyderabad wrote:

  >	I am at manage@hub.nic.in One of my friend has sent me an mail with
  >attatchments which I am unable to open with the help of Pine. Hence I am
  >forwarding you the mail so that you can help me in opening the same.
  >Thanking you very much for the trouble. Sincerely yours, Raja Sen

Oh, well... Try v(iew), s(ave) and (you seem to be on a u*ix system), type:
	more ~/RAJA_SEN

Good luck for your summer project and regards to Saurav :-)

Btw, if your friend decided on naming his files a little more aptly (e.g.
.txt), you might have less of a problem.

Later,
Robin

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The easiest way is to not use Save; use Export instead.  It'll ask you=20
for a filename to save it under, then will save the text and a brief=20
message telling you that it couldn't read the attachment so it wasn't=20
saved. =20

Greg
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On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Bob Snyder wrote:

> Jorge Ju=E1rez Xospa wrote:
>=20
> >         How can I delete a file from mail recived without delete the ma=
il
> > (message) ?
>=20
> Yes, I need to know too! I receive a lot of mail with attached
> photographs. The
> text of the mail has descriptions of the photographs which I want to
> save in a
> mail folder. After I have saved the attachment in a file with Pine, I
> don't need
> the encoded attachment on the message, it just eats up valuable disk
> space. Is
> it possible to remove attachments from email with Pine like some other
> email
> programs do?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Bob Snyder  rgs@cts.com
>=20
>=20

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>In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers >area, press 
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How do I find the help screens and the Lcc: field?


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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

  >>In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers
  >>area, press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the context-sensitive
  >>help screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.
  >How do I find the help screens and the Lcc: field?

I don't know what's at the bottom of your screen, but mine says:

^G Get Help ^R Rich Hdr  

So, type ^R to get the "rich header" view and then ^G to get to the
context-sensitive help.

But... Maybe you should take a close look at the faq and the other docu on
pine first. They'll help you a lot to find quick solutions to similarly easy
problems, ok? :-)

Later,
Robin


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I hope this is not a FAQ. Many MUAs including Mozilla and ELM
automatically add 'sigdashes' (---) to the ~/.signature file.
Pine doesn't seem to support this. as a consequence, I have to
maintain a separate .signature file just for Pine which has the
sigdashes included. Is there probably a hidden switch in the
.pinerc which I just haven't noticed so far?
---
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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Friedemann Baitinger wrote:

  >Many MUAs including Mozilla and ELM automatically add 'sigdashes' (---)
  >to the ~/.signature file. Pine doesn't seem to support this. as a
  >consequence, I have to maintain a separate .signature file just for Pine
  >which has the sigdashes included. Is there probably a hidden switch in
  >the .pinerc which I just haven't noticed so far?

Nope:
	-<option>=<value>      Assign <value> to the pinerc option <option>
              	               e.g. -signature-file=sig1   #command line
or:

	signature-file           = .sig1 		   #.pinerc
	
will do the trick. Just cp your old .signature and add some dashes.

Thanks a bunch for revealing the secret of the mysterious sigdashes, btw :-)
I've always wondered where those came from. *Really* sensible feature, I
must say :-/

Later,
Robin                                         

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Hi!

When asking a question it usually helps to give as much information as
possibly about the platform you are using Pine on (in particular whether
it is PC-Pine or the UNIX version), and which version it is that you are
using.

You didn't mention either of these, but from the message-id your Pine
generated when you sent your message...1

    Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.92.970406175614.6561A-100000@hpoprf.cern.ch>

...I deduce it's the version 3.92 for Unix (some sort of HP system?).

Support for using news servers requiring authentication was introduced in
Pine 3.93.  So the solution to your problem is to upgrade to the current
version of Pine (3.96).  This will automatically prompt you to enter the
username and password for your news server when it is needed.

Cheers,

-- 
Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, David A. Chrisman wrote:

> Hello,
> 
>   I have been trying to read news with pine. I have set the
> nntp-server variable in my .pinerc. For example,
> 
> nntp-server=news.nowhere.com
> 
>   But when I try to open one of the news folders of a group I
> have subscribed to I get the error message
> 
> "480 Authentication required for command"
> 
>   I have a user name and password for the host serving me news, but
> I can't figure out how to tell pine what they are. I have successfully
> done this with another news reader (slrn) by putting this information
> in its configuration file.
> 
>   I hope someone can tell me how I can tell pine what are the user name
> and password to use when contacting my mail server.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
> 
> +-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
> |      David Chrisman         |   University of California, Riverside       |
> |      David.Chrisman@cern.ch |   CERN PPE / OPAL                           |
> +-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
> 
> 


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On 6 Apr 1997, Peter Breitfeld wrote:

> I use linux as user `brf' but my e-mail address is like the one in my
> signature (bootom of this message). PINE alway sets brf@net-point.de 
> as my from-address. 
> 
> How can I force pine to put `Peter.Breitfeeld@net-point.de' in the
> from-field of the header?

Looks pretty good from my end.

(Sender: has the other address, but From: has the one you say you want 
there.)

Matt.
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From: Eduardo Cezar Fascio <econ1y3@emducms1.sis.ucm.es>
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Bill Falls wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:
>=20
> > I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, =
AND
> > I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?
>=20
> !NO GRITE POR FAVOR!
>=20
> Your picture is probably uuencoded so that it can be included as text in
> the body of the message.=20
>=20
> Try saving it to a file and enter the command "uudecode [filename]".  You
> need not delete any header info and test before the "start" instruction -
> uudecode is smart enough to find the part it has to work on.
>=20
> If you are reading mail stored on your computer and not on a Unix server,
> you can find freely distributable uuencode and uudecode programs for
> almost any platform.
>=20
> Si prefiere que repita esto en espan~ol, envieme un E-mail directamente a=
:
>=20
> Bill Falls <bfalls@cais.com>
> Washington, DC
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

 Hola Bill:
    Muchas gracias por contestarme, pero sigo teniendo el problema, porque
cuando escribo el "uudecode [filename]" me dice que "no match", y no se
con que se supone que tiene que coincidir, si me lo explicas otra vez,
hazlo como si fuese para un ni=F1o de tres a=F1os, muchas gracias por tu
paciencia, y si te sirve de algo para poder explicarmelo mejor, estoy en
el ordenador de la facultad.
    Espero respuesta lo mas pronto que puedas, y perdona que te tutee pero
es que es la costumbre.=20
                                           E.C.F.
P.D:Si te aburres mucho, tambien me podrias explicar como se mandan,
gracias.






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Hi,
Is it possible to delete a few messages one at a time, for example, delete
messages from #1 - 20. (instead of pressing "d" in each message to
delete it).

Thank's,
Stephen



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I am very commonly mail bombed by my friends, I often wonder how they send me
mail bombs.  I was wondering if you could tell me how one sends a mail bomb.
 I would really appreciate it, if not that's okay, i guess.

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From: Rick Byers <rickb@iaw.on.ca>
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Hi, I just got the CERT advisory for a security hole in imapd which, when
exploited, can be used to execute arbitrary root commands.  They mention
that all versions of U of W IMAPD prior to 10 something are affected.
They then go on to say that if you're not ready to upgrade to IMAP 4rev1,
you can "download a corrected imapd as part of pine 3.96".  Pine 3.96
definantly uses a U of W imapd less than V10 (far less).  Has 3.96 just
been fixed (why isn't it 3.97?), or has 3.96 been fine all along?

Does anyone know if any earlier versions of pine imapd were effected?
We've been using 3.96 since it came out, but It would be make me feel good
if I know that no pine imapd has had that bug.

I've gone over the source code a bit, and know bufer overflow
possibilities are obvious before the setuid - but I didn't look very long
(and I'm no expert).  I just need to know how to treat this from a
security perspective - either possible root compramise (have to be
pesimistic) or not possible.  I don't want to spend the hours doing a
complete security sweep unless I'm sure there was a chance for a problem.

I'd also like to re-enable my imap server ASAP.  It would be helpfull if
someone could tell me (preferable in private e-mail for security reasons)
the exact location in imapd where the buffer overrun was possible.  I was
in the process of installing IMAPDd 4 (probably one of the bad ones), but
didn't finish.

Thanks a lot, 
	Rick

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I'm using Pine 3.91.  I access it with the telnet program that comes with 
Win5.  I've noticed that when reading a message, the percentage number in 
the top right corner doesn't change when I go to the next page of the 
message.  Also, the ctrl-^ doesn't work. What gives?






















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Yep, use the ';'-Select command, and then the 'A'-Apply command.
Aggregate commands must be enabled (see your feature lists in your
configuration) for this to work...

Rick

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Stephen Walla wrote:

> Hi,
> Is it possible to delete a few messages one at a time, for example, delete
> messages from #1 - 20. (instead of pressing "d" in each message to
> delete it).
> 
> Thank's,
> Stephen
> 
> 

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I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider.  I had a number of
kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke.  The problem
was, that it would send them concurrently, causing hundreads of smail
daemons to be executed at once (they would usually send thousands of
message at a time).  If they let it go long enough (not too long) the
system would eventually run out of open file descriptors and come to a
grinding halt.  I'm only part time - so I just got messages from staff
telling me that canal crashed - and it was to late for me to be able to
tell what caused.  After about a week of this, it started to happen once
when I was in, and I tracked it down to a tonne of smail processes
running.

I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
cancelled those users account.  They insist they didn't know, I say too
bad.  They're just lucky we didn't decide to sue them - it was clearly an
abuse of the system.  Many of our other users were angry about the
reboots.  I know one of this kids Father (who owned the account) was very
upset at the kid, I suspect he'll be grounded for a long time....

Rick - IAW

P.S. You might want to relay this message to your friends before they have
a phone call from a not-as-friendly-as-I system administrator.

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 LocalH1234@aol.com wrote:

> I am very commonly mail bombed by my friends, I often wonder how they send me
> mail bombs.  I was wondering if you could tell me how one sends a mail bomb.
>  I would really appreciate it, if not that's okay, i guess.
> 

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider.  I had a number of
> kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke.  The problem
<snip>
> I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
> cancelled those users account.  They insist they didn't know, I say too
> bad. 

I'm continually amazed at the things the kids here do and then
claim they didn't know what the consequences of their actions
would be.  One kid, once, sent not one but *eight* WALL commands
to the system (the Unix geeks on the list will get that one)
before we disabled wall and suspended his account.  Said he 'just
wanted to see what it would do'.  Eight iterations of the command
later we were swamped with complaints, and he apparently still
didn't quite get what it would do.
Two students, who work for us at the helpdesk part time, and who
both know better, mailbombed each other on the Computing Sciences
server here and lost their accounts for a month for their
troubles.  Severely affected their studies and their ability to
do their assignments, but got the point across that stupidity
like that is a blatant waste of much-needed resources and won't
be put up with.
Put bluntly, what your friends are doing is immature, stupid,
wasteful, and potentially harmful to themselves and others.  
Don't follow suit;  you'll only make yourself look as juvenile as
they do.


Lea


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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Lea wrote:
  >On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

  >> I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider.  I had a number of
  >> kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke. The
  >> problem
  ><snip>
  >> I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
  >> cancelled those users account. They insist they didn't know, I say too
  >> bad.
  >I'm continually amazed at the things the kids here do and then
  >claim they didn't know what the consequences of their actions
  >would be. 

Let's face it: That kid's from aol. I tried to contact postmaster@aol.com
because of some other twits who wanted to send mailbombs... *rotfl*
demanding that their accounts be closed. I even used my official account
with the Govt. for it. Didn't work.

Being a regular reader of this list, I'd like to suggest permanently
filtering @aol, @compuserve and @t-online.de from the mailing list. Any
objections? >:->

TIA

Later,
Robin

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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> Let's face it: That kid's from aol. I tried to contact postmaster@aol.com
> because of some other twits who wanted to send mailbombs... *rotfl*
> demanding that their accounts be closed. I even used my official account
> with the Govt. for it. Didn't work.
> 
> Being a regular reader of this list, I'd like to suggest permanently
> filtering @aol, @compuserve and @t-online.de from the mailing list. Any
> objections? >:->

Sounds good... Too bad we can't get filters like that installed on every
major backbone router eh? <grin>

Rick

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> Robin S. Socha,
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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> 
> Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
> It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.
> 
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Concerning the comments made by an awful lot of you about the mail bomb thingie, 
I've been mail-bombed on PINE before and there was nothing I could do about it. 
In the space of ten minutes, about 200 mails came through. That wasn't a lot, 
but when I collected them off of a different e-mailing program it took me over 
by just enough time to clean out my small bank account. But I do have a couple 
questions here:

How can I "block" someone's message, as in just not take it?

Is there a way to "refuse" certain parties mail? 

Can I set PINE up to ignore certain e-mail addresses entirely?

And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy disk?



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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> Yep, use the ';'-Select command, and then the 'A'-Apply command.
> Aggregate commands must be enabled (see your feature lists in your
> configuration) for this to work...
> 
> Rick
> 

Thank's for the information.
But still I have to select every message right.  If I have 100 messages
that I want to delete, I still have to select them one by one & apply the 
delete.
Is there any command to delete it with specifying the number of the
message (for example, I will be able to  delete my 100 messages say only
by typing "delete 1-100")? 

Thank's again,
Stephen


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I've noticed that when using pine/UNIX to post messages compared
with mail/Mail, the time it takes to send it out and
finally get OK is 10-100 times longer than when using BSD
mail or SysV mail. I've tried to use SMTP on off (off sets
it back to sendmail use), and checked the default sendmail
flags but didn't see anything obvious.

My guess is that pine/sendmail wants to check the domain
names before posting the entries, while mail ignores this
and returns a bounce later. Is something like this the
case, or something else. It's a real pain to use a mailing
list with 10+ addresses and post something, I usually
switch over to non-pine in order to do this.

Thx, Kent
PS: This is the SGI port of Pine 3.95.

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References: <3349052d.8129073@news.toplink.net> <Pine.LNX.3.95.970407084304.399C-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <5iat4b$m08$2@news3.voicenet.com> <fgoodwin-ya023480000704971155150001@tri.sbc.com>
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Fred Goodwin <fgoodwin@tri.sbc.com> wrote:

> The little "--" that precede the actual signature, as shown below.  Some

more precisely "-- ", AFAIK.

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>And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy
>disk?

Yes, you can.
Use the 'E' export command to save the selected message to a file.
Then, use any FTP software to transfer it from your account to your floppy
disk.

Stephen Walla




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When you hit Select, it will give you a choice. (A for all, N for number, etc.) 
Hit "number", and then it will let you select messages 1-100, or 3-45 and then 
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>Yes, you can.
>Use the 'E' export command to save the selected message to a file.
>Then, use any FTP software to transfer it from your account to your 
>floppy disk.

So I'll never see my mail on disk. Our college doesn't work that way. :( Oh, 
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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

  >How can I "block" someone's message, as in just not take it?
  >Is there a way to "refuse" certain parties mail?
  >Can I set PINE up to ignore certain e-mail addresses entirely?

Check procmail or filter. Since you got Windows programs at home, you know
what to do there.

  >And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy disk?

Provided the floppy is mounted on your VAX, yes. Then e(xport) will do, as
well as cp <filename> /dev/fd0 on the CL.
Otherwise, check if you have the mtools installed an are allowed to use
them.

Later,
Robin

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Stephen Walla wrote:
  >On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

[...]
  >But still I have to select every message right.  If I have 100 messages
  >that I want to delete, I still have to select them one by one & apply the
  >delete. Is there any command to delete it with specifying the number of
  >the message (for example, I will be able to delete my 100 messages say
  >only by typing "delete 1-100")?

*argl* Doesn't anybody read the help anymore these days? >;->

     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------

         FEATURE: enable-aggregate-command-set

Setting this feature enables the commands and subcommands that relate to
performing operations on more than one message at a time. We call these
"aggregate operations". In particular, the "; Select", "A Apply", and "Z
Zoom" commands are enabled by this feature. Select is used to "tag" one or
more messages meeting the specified criteria. Apply can then be used to
apply any message command to all of the selected/tagged messages. Further,
the Zoom command allows you to toggle the Folder Index view between just
those Selected and all messages in the folder.

This feature also enables the "^X" subcommand in the FOLDER INDEX WhereIs
command which causes all messages matching the WhereIs argument to become
selected.
     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------

Ok? Check the FAQ or the users guide, too... *mubmlemumble* :-)

Later,
Robin

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

> When you hit Select, it will give you a choice. (A for all, N for number, etc.) 
> Hit "number", and then it will let you select messages 1-100, or 3-45 and then 
> 56-478, or whatever.
> 
oppps sorry, it was my mistake...
it seems that I hit ":" instead of ";" in the beginning.

thank's
Stephen


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Phillip Moore wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to set the Reply-to address when ever I want without having
> it set all the time.  What I would like to be able to do is when I answer a
> user question, I want to reply to to be something that isn't my address.
> Would be great if I could hit the rich headers button and have Reply-to be
> one of them, or if I could just enter my own headers on command.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Phillip Moore      * Systems and Network Administration
> 408.326.1944       * 3com Corporation
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Just include this in the config (No need for an address to be valid)

customized-hdrs          =
Reply-to                                             

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DONALD PEDDER (dpedder@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU) wrote:
:    I am using Pine 3.91. I have posted to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/email
: and not gotten an answer. I want to know how to change my "from" address to
: include "nospam" or similar (when posting publically. i.e. usenet). I looked
: online, and could find many a reference TO it, but not how to DO it.
:    I have a NEW ISP from tomorrow, and DON'T want my new address to be
: attacked by spam like THIS address has been recently (following usenet
: postings). 
: 
:   Thanks.
: 
: 

If you go to the config (go to "setup" from the main menu and then
config) you can reset the user-domain= to whatever you want.

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I believe that the Pine 3.96 distribution's imapd kit has been fixed.
Perhaps this message from Mark Crispin (one of the Pine Team) in reply to
a previous query may be of use to you:

+---
| From mrc@cac.washington.edu Tue Apr  8 09:26:34 1997
| Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:05 -0800
| From: Mark Crispin <mrc@cac.washington.edu>
| To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
| Subject: Re: Pine 3.96
| 
| On 4 Mar 1997, Jody Housman wrote:
| > After building 3.96, I checked log_std.c code, and it appears to be the
| > same as what SNI calls the flawed code.  Has the security hole been fixed
| > in some other way such as increasing the size of the username buffer?
| 
| Yes.  Instead of changing the flawed code, there is a booby trap in 3.96
| to catch people who try to exploit it.  Attempts to trigger the security
| hole will never get to the flawed code, but will cause a "Crack attempt"
| syslog alert.  Also, the advertised banner did not change in 3.96, to make
| it difficult for a bad guy to tell the difference between a vulnerable
| 3.95 server and a non-vulnerable 3.96 server. 
| 
| Perhaps knowledge this might deter bad guys from trying to exploit this
| bug.  Then again, those of us who have a life have a hard time in
| fathoming the thought processes of those who do not. 
| 
| In the as-yet unreleased Pine 4.0 (and the current released imap-4.1
| toolkit), the banners changed, so there seemed to be no point in having
| the booby trap.  The flawed code is gone entirely in this version.
| 
| Unless you have a special reason to continue to run IMAP2bis based 
| servers, I recommend that you run the servers in the imap-4.1 toolkit:
| 	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z
| since this version supports IMAP4rev1 and POP3 with UIDL.
| 
| -- Mark --
| 
| Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.
+---

Cheers,

-- 
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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> Hi, I just got the CERT advisory for a security hole in imapd which, when
> exploited, can be used to execute arbitrary root commands.  They mention
> that all versions of U of W IMAPD prior to 10 something are affected.
> They then go on to say that if you're not ready to upgrade to IMAP 4rev1,
> you can "download a corrected imapd as part of pine 3.96".  Pine 3.96
> definantly uses a U of W imapd less than V10 (far less).  Has 3.96 just
> been fixed (why isn't it 3.97?), or has 3.96 been fine all along?
> 
> Does anyone know if any earlier versions of pine imapd were effected?
> We've been using 3.96 since it came out, but It would be make me feel good
> if I know that no pine imapd has had that bug.
> 
> I've gone over the source code a bit, and know bufer overflow
> possibilities are obvious before the setuid - but I didn't look very long
> (and I'm no expert).  I just need to know how to treat this from a
> security perspective - either possible root compramise (have to be
> pesimistic) or not possible.  I don't want to spend the hours doing a
> complete security sweep unless I'm sure there was a chance for a problem.
> 
> I'd also like to re-enable my imap server ASAP.  It would be helpfull if
> someone could tell me (preferable in private e-mail for security reasons)
> the exact location in imapd where the buffer overrun was possible.  I was
> in the process of installing IMAPDd 4 (probably one of the bad ones), but
> didn't finish.
> 
> Thanks a lot, 
> 	Rick
> 
> =========================================================================
> Rick Byers                                      Internet Access Worldwide
> rickb@iaw.on.ca                                System Admin, Tech Support
> Welland, Ontario, Canada                                    (905)714-1400
> http://www.iaw.on.ca/rickb/                         http://www.iaw.on.ca/
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> 


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Hallo,

when I try to run pine on my system under win95 and linux using the same
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But when I do so, Pine is not able to write to this folder collection on
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Paul O Bartlett  <pobart@access.digex.net> wrote:
>    DO NOT DO THESE THINGS!!!!!  They depend on special techniques
>which only apply to certain recipients with particular combinations 
>of hardware and software.  They most definitely are not "animated for
>PINE."  That is ignorant nonsense.  If you try to send one of these
>things to someone whose terminal hardware and software are not set 
>up for it, you can cause severe problems and even cause a lot of
>swearing and anger.  Even if you have reason to believe that some
>recipient might be able to receive one of these animations, there is
>a risk that it might not come through the email transmission intact. 
>Animations like this are ignorant and childish and usually the work 
>of beginners who don't understand what they are doing.  Forget it.

Geez, don't have an exploding cow, man.

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do you know where to find out about error message received while trying to
send mail?

thanks
david





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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, David Romero wrote:

>Subject: anyone have a clue?

No.    
Finally now I understand what PINE stands for - Psychically 
Intuitive Neurotic Empaths...

> do you know where to find out about error message received while trying to
> send mail?

No.  You're posting to a globally available mailing list, David,
and we have no way of finding out the pertinent information that
is essential to our being able to determine where the problem
might be.  What version of Pine are you using, and what
environment are you running it in?  What is the specific error
message?  Are there any other details you could tell us that
would help?


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Has anyone ever heard of pine slirping mail into a user's mbox (with
3.96) when running with imap?  I have been running this way for
several months now and have had no problems but other users have.
Is there a flag in the .pinerc file or something in the code that
needs to be changed?  I would really appreciate any thoughts, since I
have yet to find any documentation on this problem but will keep
searching.

hp

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I used to be subscribed to this list, is it still active??  How do I 
resubscribe?  What is the current version of Pine?  Thanks!

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jrheinbay@stgl.sel.alcatel.de (Juergen Rgeinbay):
> I got an attachment which is "Application/MAC-BINHEX40"  coded.
> Does anyone know how to decode this file on HP-UX, Pine 3.96 ?

Yes. [*]

>  					                     \\|//
>  							   (o o)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-
> Juergen Rheinbay     	          Phone: +49-711-821-44996
> Alcatel SEL AG			  Fax:   +49-711-821-43415	
> Abt. ZK/ITT1		          Email: JRheinbay@stgl.sel.alcatel.de       
> Lorenzstr. 10            
> D-70435 Stuttgart, Germany
> _______________________________________________________________________Oooo._
>                                                                 .oooO 
> (   )
>                                                                 (   )  
> ) /
>                                                                  \ (  
> (_/..
>                                                                   \_)

19 tabs leading to (all together now) "TAB DAMAGE!"  Right.
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/#tabdamage

Sven


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Please,help me to find the specie(s) who with id brego.dd.chalmers.se and
with process-id 15638 making unusual jokes!

Sincerely yours

Joaquin Vijil
gu95jovi
gu95jovi@dd.chakmers.se
970408

ps. thanks.




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jeff@mhcc.cc.or.us (Jeff Moore):
> I used to be subscribed to this list, is it still active??

This "list" is also a newsgroup - comp.mail.pine.

> How do I resubscribe?

We still hear you.
Unsubscribe!  ;-)

> What is the current version of Pine?

Pine-3.96

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> Network Specialist		(503) 669-6929 (Voice)
> Mt Hood Community College	(503) 492-6006 (FAX)
> Gresham, Oregon (Portland area)

"Network Specialist"?  HIBT?

Sven

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Dear sir(s):

Can Pine be used under the DG-UX version?  If you are not able to reply 
to this, please direct me to someone who can.  Thank you. Dave Alatalo.

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When you hit the ';' key - it gives you a bunch of options for selection.
You can select all messages with certain text in them, or certain numbers
for example.  To delete message 1 - 100, hit ; for select, n for number,
and type 1-100, and then apply a delete...

Rick

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Stephen Walla wrote:

> > Yep, use the ';'-Select command, and then the 'A'-Apply command.
> > Aggregate commands must be enabled (see your feature lists in your
> > configuration) for this to work...
> 
> Thank's for the information.
> But still I have to select every message right.  If I have 100 messages
> that I want to delete, I still have to select them one by one & apply the 
> delete.
> Is there any command to delete it with specifying the number of the
> message (for example, I will be able to  delete my 100 messages say only
> by typing "delete 1-100")? 
> 
> Thank's again,
> Stephen
> 

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I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to kill
off an experimental one.  I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and it
disappears.  I get a nice confirmation message to boot.  I've done this a
bunch of times.

But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is BACK!  I can't kill
it!! 

I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking that I could rm it.  But
its not there.  I've even created it, gone into Pine and deleted it,
confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and the little b*stard
reappeared when I next fired up Pine.

I think that I must be doing something wrong... :-)

Please help.

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If you can't in any way erase the folder, have you tried to just rename it to a 
folder that you want to put in anyways? (I know it's probably bad advice, but if 
you can't get rid of it anyways...)


>I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to kill
>off an experimental one.  I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and it
>disappears.  I get a nice confirmation message to boot.  I've done this a
>bunch of times.
>
>But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is BACK!  I can't kill
>it!! 
>
>I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking that I could rm it.  But
>its not there.  I've even created it, gone into Pine and deleted it,
>confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and the little b*stard
>reappeared when I next fired up Pine.
>
>I think that I must be doing something wrong... :-)
>
>Please help.
>
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On 8 Apr 1997 08:14:04 -0700, Hank Pike <hank@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
>Has anyone ever heard of pine slirping mail into a user's mbox (with
>3.96) when running with imap?  I have been running this way for
>several months now and have had no problems but other users have.
>Is there a flag in the .pinerc file or something in the code that
>needs to be changed?  I would really appreciate any thoughts, since I
>have yet to find any documentation on this problem but will keep
>searching.

For starters, some sort of indication of what you're doing might be handy.
I use IMAP with pine, but no sort of "slirp" mode to get all the mail into
my inbox. I just read it from the remote folders, and save it, print it,
reply to it, scratch 'n' sniff it, or whatever, as if it were on the local
machine.

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If you are running DG/UX 3.0 or 3.1 user the distribution sources with a =
target of "d-g".

If you are running DG/UX 4.11 (Intel or Motorola) you can obtain the =
binaries from Clemson University AVLIB (ftp.avlib.clemson.edu). I =
obtained the binaries from there for use on our clients AV-4900 with =
DG/UX 4.11 (Intel) and they work fine, but they only have 3.93.

Regards,
Hugh E Cruickshank,
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Dear sir(s):

Can Pine be used under the DG-UX version?  If you are not able to reply=20
to this, please direct me to someone who can.  Thank you. Dave Alatalo.



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Ok, I actually found the answer to this.  By default the WU imapd
reads in (slirps) in a users mailbox into ~/mbox if there is a ~/mbox
present.  This is the default behaviour, you can change this not do
this by editing the makefile for imapd.  I thought that it was a Pine
problem but I was looking at the wrong thing.  

hp


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On 8 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

> For starters, some sort of indication of what you're doing might be handy.
> I use IMAP with pine, but no sort of "slirp" mode to get all the mail into
> my inbox. I just read it from the remote folders, and save it, print it,
> reply to it, scratch 'n' sniff it, or whatever, as if it were on the local
> machine.
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sylvain Robitaille
> sp_robi@alcor.concordia.ca          http://alcor.concordia.ca/~sp_robi
> 
> With a mind like yours, who needs a body.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 


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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Hank Pike wrote:

> Ok, I actually found the answer to this.  By default the WU imapd
> reads in (slirps) in a users mailbox into ~/mbox if there is a ~/mbox
> present.  This is the default behaviour, you can change this not do
> this by editing the makefile for imapd.  I thought that it was a Pine
> problem but I was looking at the wrong thing.  

Really. I think I can occasionally use such a feature. I'll have to look
into it. Thanks for the info.

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Would it not be wise to also fix the flawed code as well?  The booby
trap is nice, but sometimes the mice can get around the trap and retrieve
the cheese anyways! :)

-----Forwarded message from Aleph One <aleph1@DFW.NET>-----

+---
| From mrc@cac.washington.edu Tue Apr  8 09:26:34 1997
| Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:05 -0800
| From: Mark Crispin <mrc@cac.washington.edu>
| To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
| Subject: Re: Pine 3.96
|
| On 4 Mar 1997, Jody Housman wrote:
| > After building 3.96, I checked log_std.c code, and it appears to be the
| > same as what SNI calls the flawed code.  Has the security hole been fixed
| > in some other way such as increasing the size of the username buffer?
|
| Yes.  Instead of changing the flawed code, there is a booby trap in 3.96
| to catch people who try to exploit it.  Attempts to trigger the security
| hole will never get to the flawed code, but will cause a "Crack attempt"
| syslog alert.  Also, the advertised banner did not change in 3.96, to make
| it difficult for a bad guy to tell the difference between a vulnerable
| 3.95 server and a non-vulnerable 3.96 server.
|
| Perhaps knowledge this might deter bad guys from trying to exploit this
| bug.  Then again, those of us who have a life have a hard time in
| fathoming the thought processes of those who do not.
|
| In the as-yet unreleased Pine 4.0 (and the current released imap-4.1
| toolkit), the banners changed, so there seemed to be no point in having
| the booby trap.  The flawed code is gone entirely in this version.
|
| Unless you have a special reason to continue to run IMAP2bis based
| servers, I recommend that you run the servers in the imap-4.1 toolkit:
|       ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z
| since this version supports IMAP4rev1 and POP3 with UIDL.
|
| -- Mark --
|
| Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.
+---

-----End of forwarded message-----

-- 
Michael Douglass
Texas Networking, Inc.

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On 8 Apr 1997, EskWIRED wrote:

> I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to kill
> off an experimental one.  I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and it
> disappears.  I get a nice confirmation message to boot.  I've done this a
> bunch of times.
> 
> But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is BACK!  I can't kill
> it!! 
> 
> I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking that I could rm it.  But
> its not there.  I've even created it, gone into Pine and deleted it,
> confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and the little b*stard
> reappeared when I next fired up Pine.

Disappeared from $HOME or $HOME/mail ? :-)

(Just checking--every human being has done something this stupid at least
once)


Stan

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I read through the archives for the list on the web site and saw that some
people had posted some requests for features.  I'd like to comment upon
some and add some

SIGNATURES: In UNIX you can create a named pipe that is a program which
will randomly create a signature.  There are examples of this in
/Programming Perl 2E/.  That's helpful, but it'd be nice to have certain
people receive certain signatures.  I don't mind my friends getting some
of my 'less polite' signatures, but it'd be bad if i posted the same to a
list or one of my clients.  Which leads to

CENTRAL ADDRESS BOOK: I know that this is a listed feature for an upcoming
release, but I wonder who is working on it.  I'm a competant developer and
would like to at least beta test if not more.  I use pine's comment
facility to track phone numbers, addresses, birthdays and such.  It'd be
nice if I could arbitrarily add fields.  I'd like to be able to use a
server for this so that I could share some entries and some fields with
others.  

One thing that should be part of this is better support for Fcc.  I have a
folder for each person I correspond with, but some people have several
email addresses.  If the username is different, this means i have to mung
through more than one box to find the correspondance for an individual. 
This is a bother.  So, it should be possible to define "alternative
addresses" for someone so that replies can be Fcc'ed properly.  Mailing
lists that change their name or maintain multiple 'inputs' would also be
helped by this.

INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT: Different things should be settable on an folder
by folder basis.  I have all my mail forwarded to my main box and then
procmail'ed into a ton of incoming folders.  (This seems very common.) 
But when I respond to queries in one of my webmaster folders, the From: is
my address.  My main address already has too much stuff coming to it.
Reconfiguring for each reply isn't very practical.  If nothing else, it'd
be nice to be able to select from the alt-addresses already defined.  But
ideally signature, From:, saved-message directory, etc. should be able to
be overriden for a folder.

SCRIPTABLE: It'd be so cool if I could use pine from a script without
having to use expect (or the appropriate perl equivalent).

ObDisclaimer: I love pine.  I greatly appreciate everybody who has
contributed to it.  I laugh at elm users.  I have a link to the pine site
from my web page.  The above requests in no way disparage the wonderful
product as it currently exists.  Its better than anything you can buy.
Thank you all.

</chris>

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  feet, what happen if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?
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I use linux as user `brf' but my e-mail address is like the one in my
signature (bootom of this message). PINE alway sets brf@net-point.de 
as my from-address. 

How can I force pine to put `Peter.Breitfeeld@net-point.de' in the
from-field of the header?

-- 

Peter Breitfeld, Saulgau, Germany <Peter.Breitfeld@net-point.de>

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Pine does not allow you to change the "From:" header field unless it has
been specially built (compiled) to allow you to do so.  This is in an
attempt to cut down mail forgery.

Most people in a situation like yours simply set up a "Reply-to:" header
with their "correct" reply address in instead.  (That _is_ what this
header's for! ;-)

You can do this in Pine's Setup Configuration screen, by adding the header
to the "customized-hdrs" variable.  In your case you will want to add the
header along with a default value (that way it will get set automatically
for every message you compose):

	Reply-to: Peter Breitfeld <Peter.Breitfeld@net-point.de>

(Incidentally, your message already came through on the Pine Forum mailing
list as "Peter Breitfeld <Peter.Breitfeld@net-point.de>" ... are you sure
there's a problem?  ...It might be that some part of your site's mail
gateway is rewriting the "From:" header to the "correct" value anyway?)

Cheers,

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On 6 Apr 1997, Peter Breitfeld wrote:

> I use linux as user `brf' but my e-mail address is like the one in my
> signature (bootom of this message). PINE alway sets brf@net-point.de 
> as my from-address. 
> 
> How can I force pine to put `Peter.Breitfeeld@net-point.de' in the
> from-field of the header?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Peter Breitfeld, Saulgau, Germany <Peter.Breitfeld@net-point.de>
> 




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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

Renaming it isn't what the customer asked for, Didier...

Ok, here's what might be wrong:

1. Check where your mail folders are. Probably not ~/ (or $home), but rather
   ~/Mail/ or something. You'll find the path in your ~/.pinerc or in the
   s(etup), c(onfig) screen within pine.

2. Say
	ps -ax | grep -i pine
   to see if another instance of pine is running that might make your
   session read-only. I suspect that this is the case because you cannot
   permanently change your setup.

3. If so, say:
	killall pine 
   to kill all running sessions. If that doesn't work, there is something
   wrong with your setup in general, so let's try to fix the problem
   manually:
   
4. Edit your .pinerc, e.g. by saying:
	pico ~/.pinerc
   and check for the following passage. Then make sure the format of the
   entry goes like this:
	
   # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g.
   # ={host2}inbox,{host3}inbox Syntax: optnl-label
   # {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path
   incoming-folders="test1"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test1,
   	            "test2"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test2,
                    "test3"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test3
                
   Mark that there is no comma in the last line... Setting up folders in the
   way displayed here seems a good idea in general (and which I leeched from
   Nancy McGoughs fabulous mail filtering faq)

5. If you cannot edit your ~/.pinerc, it's set read-only (say: ls -al
   .pinerc to check that), either throw up your hands in despair and kneel
   before the altar of the helpdesk guys (a generous amount of humility
   always seems to be in place with them ...) or read a couple of man pages
   (which is a good idea in general, too...), e.g. pine, pico, chown, chmod
   and procmail. That should get you started
   --- or frustrated
   >:->
   
Later,
Robin
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	Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
  It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
  >If you can't in any way erase the folder, have you tried to just rename
  >it to a folder that you want to put in anyways? (I know it's probably bad
  >advice, but if you can't get rid of it anyways...)
  >>I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to
  >>kill off an experimental one. I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and
  >>it disappears. I get a nice confirmation message to boot. I've done this
  >>a bunch of times. But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is
  >>BACK! I can't kill it!! I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking
  >>that I could rm it. But its not there. I've even created it, gone into
  >>Pine and deleted it, confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and
  >>the little b*stard reappeared when I next fired up Pine.

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Dear administrator,

I'm a new user of Pine mail s/w. Iam using pine ver 3.94. The problem I am
facing is that whenever I send a mail. The mail goes but the mail is not
stored in any folder or file. I want to read my sent-mails for future
ref.
Kindly help immediately, (if possible ).
Thanks and Regards.
Ravi S. Bahagat


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Whenever you start Pine you see its Main Menu screen.  There's a very
useful option on there called "Setup".  If you use this, followed by "C"
(Configuration) you will find the Setup Configuration screen.

In this screen are lots of different variables and options you can use to
alter Pine's behaviour and appearance.  Each one has help information
available for it: just put your cursor onto the one you want to know about
and type "?" (Get Help -- it's in the menu of available commands at the
bottom of the screen).

The variable you are particularly interested in is called "default-fcc".
("Fcc" stands for "File Carbon Copy", and lets you automatically save a
copy of every message you send into a folder.  See the help for details.)

As far as I recall, Pine actually defaults to using a copy of every
message you send.  For UNIX Pine the folder these are put into is called
"sent-mail", whilst for PC-Pine it's "sentmail" (if memory serves).

You may like to check that copies aren't already being saved in such a
folder for you.  Use the "L" (List Folders) command at the Main Menu (or
most other places) and look for a "sent-mail" or "sentmail" folder).

However it may be that your Systems Manager has changed the default
setting, perhaps in order to conserve disk space.  As long as they haven't
"fixed" this value you can override this with your own value for the
option (I suggest using "sent-mail" for UNIX Pine or "sentmail" if you are
using PC-Pine).

Finally a hint for the future... when asking for assistance in this
world-wide discussion forum please use a more meaningful summary of your
problem for the Subject string.  "Help" doesn't really convey much!
Something like "Keeping copies of messages sent out" would be better.

Cheers,

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Ravi S. Bhagat wrote:

> Dear administrator,
> 
> I'm a new user of Pine mail s/w. Iam using pine ver 3.94. The problem I am
> facing is that whenever I send a mail. The mail goes but the mail is not
> stored in any folder or file. I want to read my sent-mails for future
> ref.
> Kindly help immediately, (if possible ).
> Thanks and Regards.
> Ravi S. Bahagat


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does anyone know where to find out about error messages received while
trying to send mail?

thanks
david





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I have another somewhat related question.  A few months ago, I discovered
that I could get foreign symbols in pine (version 3.91) simply by using
the "meta" key (marked with a diamond on my Sun keyboard).  Since then,
our system administrator has installed pine 3.95, and this now no longer
works.  (Meta-anything results in a beep and an "Unknown Command:"
message.)  I did check that this is not the result of some other change in
the system -- it is still possible for me to run version 3.91, and I can
still get the foreign symbols on that version.

Does anyone know anything about this?  Is there a setup option that would
allow me to get the foreign symbols again?  I am using a Sparc 20 running
SunOS 4.1.4 and Xwindows.

Thanks for your help! 

John A. Haddon 
haddon@eecs.berkeley.edu



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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:

[...]
  >SIGNATURES: In UNIX you can create a named pipe that is a program which
  >will randomly create a signature. There are examples of this in
  >/Programming Perl 2E/.  That's helpful, but it'd be nice to have certain
  >people receive certain signatures.  I don't mind my friends getting some
  >of my 'less polite' signatures, but it'd be bad if i posted the same to a
  >list or one of my clients.  Which leads to

I'd "ME TOO" that in general, but of course it's not a feature everybody
needs, and setting up a sending filter that can to that isn't such a big
deal. Since you're a "competant developer" (see below) and have "Programming
Perl 2E" (see above), it should be a cakewalk, shouldn't it? Do it, create a
patch, submit it, done. Everybody will love you, me included. TIA.

  >CENTRAL ADDRESS BOOK: I know that this is a listed feature for an upcoming
  >release, but I wonder who is working on it.  I'm a competant developer and
  >would like to at least beta test if not more.  I use pine's comment
  >facility to track phone numbers, addresses, birthdays and such.  It'd be
  >nice if I could arbitrarily add fields.  I'd like to be able to use a
  >server for this so that I could share some entries and some fields with
  >others.

Ok, I hate GUIs... BUT, I'd like to advertise a program I found a couple of
days ago. It's called "addressbook" and is written in tcl/tk. It's a *very*
neat little program that will let you store all the information you
mentioned and more, and it will launch pine with a click of the little gray
rodent (don't mention the m-word *yukk*). But this might be what you're
looking for. Pine's got too much of an overhead as it is, imvho, and
bloating it even more would seem to be counter-productive. Here's the url:
	
	http://wwwmayr.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~durka/addressbook/

[Fcc:]

	
[INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT]
I didn't quite get what you mean, honestly :-)

Cheers,
Robin

P.S.
  >  If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their
  >  feet, what happen if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?

If you did that with one of my cats, I'd sentence you to 5 months of using
Windows 95 with Netscape mail.


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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
>   >SIGNATURES: In UNIX you can create a named pipe that is a program which
>   >will randomly create a signature. There are examples of this in
>   >/Programming Perl 2E/.  That's helpful, but it'd be nice to have certain
>   >people receive certain signatures.  I don't mind my friends getting some
>   >of my 'less polite' signatures, but it'd be bad if i posted the same to a
>   >list or one of my clients.  Which leads to
> 
> I'd "ME TOO" that in general, but of course it's not a feature everybody
> needs, and setting up a sending filter that can to that isn't such a big
> deal. Since you're a "competant developer" (see below) and have
> "Programming Perl 2E" (see above), it should be a cakewalk, shouldn't
> it? Do it, create a patch, submit it, done. Everybody will love you, me
> included. TIA. 

I keep forgetting about all the uses filters can be put too.  But it'd be
a lot "cooler" to be able to have this happen without having to go through
picking a filter.  I already use filters for pgp, so I'd end up having to
choose whether to sign something or give it a signature.  Bleck.

> 	http://wwwmayr.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~durka/addressbook/

I consider tcl harmful.  Durka's product is nice and I have played with
it, but I still avoid tcl-based tools if possible.  (Of course its not as
bad as csh.)

> [INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT]
> I didn't quite get what you mean, honestly :-)

Think of each incoming folder as a 'persona' or 'role' that should have
appopriately associated From: email address, signature, etc.

</chris>

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:
[...]
>I keep forgetting about all the uses filters can be put too.  But it'd be
>a lot "cooler" to be able to have this happen without having to go through
>picking a filter.  I already use filters for pgp, so I'd end up having to
>choose whether to sign something or give it a signature.  Bleck.

Perhaps it's time for someone to start a library of Pine filters?

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Pine seems to be ideally suited to handle mail from multiple mail 
servers. Reading the mail works just fine, however, replying or
sending mail seems to be a problem. In any case, the mail is
sent through my local sendmail (or whatever I have in .pinerc's
'smtp-server='). However, the setting in 'smtp-server=' might
make sense for _one_ of the multiple mail server accounts, it
certainly is not suitable for all of them at the same time.

For instance, I maintain a default INBOX which is configured
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expect that there is a way to send mail from Pine using the
IMAP protocol to the server where the mailbox is and leave it
up to the sendmail configuration on the server to actually take
care of the correct delivery.

Can anybody shed some light on this scenario? Is this something
that is supposed to work and just badly configured on my end or
is this something that can't work by definition?
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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> Perhaps it's time for someone to start a library of Pine filters?

Even cooler would be to have a screen that allowed a series of filters to
be applied in the order the user wished.

</chris>

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:
  >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

[appending random sigs]
  >I keep forgetting about all the uses filters can be put too.  But it'd be
  >a lot "cooler" to be able to have this happen without having to go
  >through picking a filter. I already use filters for pgp, so I'd end up
  >having to choose whether to sign something or give it a signature. Bleck.

Err... no >:-> Being an "experienced programmer" (or whatever the exact term
was) who also owns some KeWL Perl book, you should be able to use one filter
that "does it all", or maybe two of them. I have one for pgp (which either
signs or encrypts) and one for random flames in the signature. You could
always combine those into one if necessary. Again: do it, send the patch,
we'll love you!

  >> 	http://wwwmayr.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~durka/addressbook/
  >I consider tcl harmful.  Durka's product is nice and I have played with
  >it, but I still avoid tcl-based tools if possible. (Of course its not as
  >bad as csh.)

Ok, show me a shell program that is as powerful and easy to handle, and I'll
jump for it. But for the "power user", having something to click on and to
open and close and stuff is always nice. Remember the people in the office
next door? They *do* want GUIs >:->

  >> [INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT]
  >> I didn't quite get what you mean, honestly :-)
  >Think of each incoming folder as a 'persona' or 'role' that should have
  >appropriately associated From: email address, signature, etc.

I really don't see the problem... How many filters do you want? Two, afaics:
pgp and signature. So that really isn't a problem. Use Aldo Valente's papp,
insert an additional "which signature do you want" filter, and you're there.

If I'm not totally mistaken, formail and not pine should be able to handle
the header part. It's u*ix world, after all. You don't want pine to become
u*ix's MS Mail, do you? (1,7MB is big enough, right?) I guess that the vast
majority of people can live quite well without the things you suggested
(after all, pine's supposed to be "simple"), and adding them if you
*personally* need them doesn't seem too big a deal. No offence intended, but
what you're asking for is, imvho, against the u*ix spirit. If God had wanted
us to use bloated stuff like MS Mail, he wouldn't have created the "|" >:->,
which proves that Gates is the devil...

Later,
Robin

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> [appending random sigs]
>   >I keep forgetting about all the uses filters can be put too.  But it'd be
>   >a lot "cooler" to be able to have this happen without having to go
>   >through picking a filter. I already use filters for pgp, so I'd end up
>   >having to choose whether to sign something or give it a signature. Bleck.
> 
> Err... no >:-> Being an "experienced programmer" (or whatever the exact
> term was) who also owns some KeWL Perl book, you should be able to use
> one filter that "does it all", or maybe two of them. I have one for pgp
> (which either signs or encrypts) and one for random flames in the
> signature. You could always combine those into one if necessary. Again:
> do it, send the patch, we'll love you! 

Well, that's not a very general solution.  I already have two pgp filters
(one for signing and one for encrypting).  So I'd end up having to have
5 filters:
	Sign + random sig
	Encrypt + random sig
	Sign
	Encrypt
	random sig

If we come up with something else (and apprantly people have other
filters) then we'd end up with up to eleven filters.  The maintenance
of this is totally unnecessary if pine handled running multiple filters
cleanly.

And I do intend to send patches.  A lot of the reason I posted was to try
and coordinate with whoever I needed to.

>   >> 	http://wwwmayr.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~durka/addressbook/
>   >I consider tcl harmful.  Durka's product is nice and I have played with
>   >it, but I still avoid tcl-based tools if possible. (Of course its not as
>   >bad as csh.)
> 
> Ok, show me a shell program that is as powerful and easy to handle, and
> I'll jump for it. But for the "power user", having something to click on
> and to open and close and stuff is always nice. Remember the people in
> the office next door? They *do* want GUIs >:->

They're more than welcome to work with GUI's.  My intent was to have a
server store the information (possibly LDAP or something similar) and have
pine be one of many clients for it.  If people want to use a GUI to access
it, fine.  But I'm not going to try and run X across a modem (when I'm
stuck in some German backwater where the dial tone puts Trent Reznor to
shame) just to be able to cut and paste from my address book into pine.

>   >> [INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT]
>   >> I didn't quite get what you mean, honestly :-)
>   >Think of each incoming folder as a 'persona' or 'role' that should have
>   >appropriately associated From: email address, signature, etc.
> 
> Use Aldo Valente's papp, insert an additional "which signature do you
> want"  filter, and you're there.

What is papp?

> If I'm not totally mistaken, formail and not pine should be able to
> handle the header part. It's u*ix world, after all. 

Really?  I don't see how.  How can formail determine what folder I was in
when I sent something?

> You don't want pine to become u*ix's MS Mail, do you? (1,7MB is big
> enough, right?) I guess that the vast majority of people can live quite
> well without the things you suggested (after all, pine's supposed to be
> "simple"), and adding them if you *personally* need them doesn't seem
> too big a deal. No offence intended, but what you're asking for is,
> imvho, against the u*ix spirit. If God had wanted us to use bloated
> stuff like MS Mail, he wouldn't have created the "|" >:->, which proves
> that Gates is the devil...

The same logic easily leads us direclty back to mailx.  I don't want to
bloat the product.  I don't want to add features that confuse people.  The
beauty of pine is that these things can be cut on by people who want them. 
(And lots of local UNIXheads I know would cut all of the features on that
I mentioned.)  If I had to buy a bigger machine to run a pine with the
features I wanted, I would happily do so.  I sit in pine 24-7.  But
nothing I've talked about is going to require massive amounts of code.  In
fact, the address book stuff is already being considered for addition. 
And that code will be vastly larger than the folder-by-folder
configuration stuff.  As for, against the UNIX spirit, both pine and perl
are against the UNIX spirit.  You're more than welcome to go back and use
mh (or mailx) and sh.  They're perfectly in keeping with the UNIX spirit. 

</chris>

  If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their
  feet, what happen if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?
                                                         - Steven Wright


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Here's one that's got me scratching what's left of my hair.  I used to 
receive my accented mail with no problem - all the accents showed.  The 
College switched me over to a Mac 7200/120 recently.  I dutifully went 
through my Settings - Configuration - Character-set routine - set my  
iso-8859-1 - accented messages still came out a mess!  Yesterday, I 
joined a local listserv and sent an accented message which came through 
back to me WITH accents - but messages that I've already received are 
still garbled.  So. . . what's up?  Thanks for your help.



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eldritch@granite.sover.net (Eldritch McLeod):
> Where can i find the PINE FAQ?

<rant>
Why can't people learn to use a search engine instead of posting?
</rant>

Hint:		http://altavista.digital.com
Search string:	url:washington.edu & title:pine & title:frequently
Result:		http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/FAQs.html

Easy, huh?  :-)

While I am at it - here is a short list of URLs that you should save -
or include them in your bookmark file right away:

  Pine Home Page  http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/
  Pine Tutorial   http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/tutorial/
  Pine History    http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/changes/3.95-to-3.96.html
  Pine FAQ        http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/FAQs.html/

HTH.

Sven

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:
  >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

  >> [using filters]

  >Well, that's not a very general solution.  I already have two pgp filters
  >(one for signing and one for encrypting).  So I'd end up having to have
  >5 filters:
  >	Sign + random sig Encrypt + random sig Sign Encrypt random sig
  >If we come up with something else (and apprantly people have other
  >filters) then we'd end up with up to eleven filters. The maintenance of
  >this is totally unnecessary if pine handled running multiple filters
  >cleanly.

Ok, KISS didn't work, so I'll try using ascii-art:

			    use filter?
			   /	      \
			yes		no
			 |		   \
			pgp?		send mail
		     /	     \
		yes		no
	     /      \		 |
	sign   or  encrypt?      |
	       \  / 		 |
	add random sig    or   send ?
			|
			V
		send mail or add another filte, etc., etc. ...
		
Got it? papp (Pine And PgP) is doing exactly the above pgp part, btw.		

[Central Addressbook]
  >They're more than welcome to work with GUI's.  My intent was to have a
  >server store the information (possibly LDAP or something similar) and have
  >pine be one of many clients for it.  If people want to use a GUI to access
  >it, fine.  But I'm not going to try and run X across a modem (when I'm
  >stuck in some German backwater where the dial tone puts Trent Reznor to
  >shame) just to be able to cut and paste from my address book into pine.

The German ISDN system is better than anything I've seen so far. Trent
Reznor doesn't sample dial tones. 

What's the problem of setting up a script that pipes the output of a Central
Database into pine's address book format?

  >> If I'm not totally mistaken, formail and not pine should be able to
  >> handle the header part. It's u*ix world, after all.
  >Really?  I don't see how.  How can formail determine what folder I was in
  >when I sent something?

Now I get it... Ok: "From:" isn't supposed to be altered (vulgo: "forged"),
anyway. Either use another "Reply to:", or set up another user. Since you're
answering as "different people", you'd want that, anyhow. One simple and
fast solution would be to run different instances of pine with different
folder collections and static configurations. I.e., as a webmaster, you'd
launch pine with an rc that has webmaster@foo.com as "Reply to:". Since pine
stays in the cache under u*ix, that would be a matter of seconds. This way,
you'd have only a few configurations, depending on "who" you are. Your way,
you'd have to maintain loads of configurations for various folders. I don't
think this is a wanted behaviour.

[Bloating of pine]
  >The same logic easily leads us direclty back to mailx.  I don't want to
  >bloat the product. I don't want to add features that confuse people. The
  >beauty of pine is that these things can be cut on by people who want
  >them. (And lots of local UNIXheads I know would cut all of the features
  >on that I mentioned.) If I had to buy a bigger machine to run a pine with
  >the features I wanted, I would happily do so. 

Ok, let's put it this way: Being a "competant developer", you can easily
UTSL and tailor your own version of pine. You can also make the patch
publicly available (as is being done with pgp-filters, e.g.). But -- again,
no offence intended -- I don't see any urgent need for your suggestions
being implemented in the general distrib.
  
[...]
  >As for, against the UNIX spirit, both pine and perl are against the UNIX
  >spirit. 

Pardon?
  
  >You're more than welcome to go back and use mh (or mailx) and sh. They're
  >perfectly in keeping with the UNIX spirit.

C'mon, you know what I'm talkin about... Nobody wants an addressbook
specifically for pine. Rather, you want a global database with a front-end
that launches pine. That's why I suggested taking a look at Addressbook
(wwwmayr.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~durka/addressbook/), as it does exactly
that: It's got a database and a nice front-end and launches mail, fax, phone
and also can be piped into running applications like emacs (did I mention
that it can output TeX code?). So, you could pipe its (or any other
database's output) into pine address-book format, putting all information
that cannot be stored in appropriate fields into the comment field.

Well, whatever...

Later,
Robin

- -----
Robin S. Socha,
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> 
> > Err... no >:-> Being an "experienced programmer" (or whatever the exact
> > term was) who also owns some KeWL Perl book, you should be able to use
> > one filter that "does it all", or maybe two of them. I have one for pgp
> > (which either signs or encrypts) and one for random flames in the
> > signature. You could always combine those into one if necessary. Again:
> > do it, send the patch, we'll love you! 
> 
> Well, that's not a very general solution.  I already have two pgp filters
> (one for signing and one for encrypting).  So I'd end up having to have
> 5 filters:
> 	Sign + random sig
> 	Encrypt + random sig
> 	Sign
> 	Encrypt
> 	random sig
> 
> If we come up with something else (and apprantly people have other
> filters) then we'd end up with up to eleven filters.  The maintenance
> of this is totally unnecessary if pine handled running multiple filters
> cleanly.

I'm not quite sure how Pine supporting multiple filters would help unless
it provided *at send time* some way of letting you select which of your N
filters were to be applied to this message.

I suspect this would involve dextrous finger activity selecting them from
a list (like Take Address uses)?

In which case you could still make use of similarly dextrous finger
activity to include some sort of special line in your message which a
single Mega-Filter could detect, remove, and use appropriately...

Your above 5 filters could still be combined into one providing it picked
up (and then filtered out) some sort of special string _within the message
text_.  For example the last non-blank line, or perhaps one starting
with an unusual string such as "#|".

If this configuration string used (say):

	P	to indicate PGP handling with suboptions like "s" for
		signing and/or "e" for encrypting

	S	to indicate signature handling with subtoptions like
		"r" to indicate a random signature or "f" for a
		flame-style signature (especially for Robin to use!)

Then your above five examples of different combinations could then be
indicated by including a line of the form: 

	Sign			...	#|Ps
	Encrypt			...	#|Pe
	Sign + random sig	...	#|PsSr
	Encrypt + random sig	...	#|PeSr
	random sig		...	#|Sr
	Sign + Flame sig	...	#|PsSf

Things could be further shortened by condensing option/suboption pairs to
single characters.  For example:

	PGP sign	= p
	PGP encrypt	= e
	Random sig	= s
	Flame sig	= f

which would then shorten above examples to:
	
	Sign			...	#|p
	Encrypt			...	#|e
	Sign + random sig	...	#|ps
	Encrypt + random sig	...	#|es
	random sig		...	#|s
	Sign + Flame sig	...	#|pf

Just a thought.

Cheers,

-- 
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Where can i find the PINE FAQ?

Thnks

eldritch


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Using procomm only get the first line of each paragraph.

If I start to forward the email (to see how it looks) I can see a $ at the 
end of the terminal line and moving the cursor to the right, the line 
continues. There doesn't appear to be any wrap, just one long line for each
paragraph.

The attachments that don't print always have.. "The following text is in 
ISO-8859-1 character set your display is set for the US-ASCII character 
set some characters may be displayed incorrectly".

I can print successfully locally but not via Procomm.  Have tried every 
emulation mode and Procomm option that I thought was relevant.

Printing remotely via Netscape, the results are the same.

Pine 3.91, Procomm V2/DOS, Windows 3.12, SunOS 4.1.3,  Term=vt100 in the 
ENV variable.


Thanks for any help you can give.


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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> The German ISDN system is better than anything I've seen so far.

It pains me to say this, but I was more impressed with Bell Atlantic.  Of
course, half of my complaint was that getting any packets back to the
states was nearly impossible.  (One packet every two minutes.)

> Trent Reznor doesn't sample dial tones. 

He wouldn't need to sample the dial tones in Germany.  He could go
direct to CD.

> What's the problem of setting up a script that pipes the output of a
> Central Database into pine's address book format? 

Because editing would be nice and sticking everything in the comment field
is a big thing I'm trying to get away from.

> Now I get it... Ok: "From:" isn't supposed to be altered (vulgo:
> "forged"), anyway. Either use another "Reply to:", or set up another
> user. Since you're answering as "different people", you'd want that,
> anyhow. One simple and fast solution would be to run different instances
> of pine with different folder collections and static configurations.
> I.e., as a webmaster, you'd launch pine with an rc that has
> webmaster@foo.com as "Reply to:". Since pine stays in the cache under
> u*ix, that would be a matter of seconds. 

I tried running pine under different accounts.  But its not as efficient
as the tab key.  Having different rc's would be easier, but the only
difference would be that I wouldn't have to type a password for each.  To
check mail would require cycling through 20 accounts.  Bad idea.

On the "Reply To:" versus "From:" issue, I'd rather maintain the
appearance of multiple people a little better.  People ignore Reply To:
way too often.

> This way, you'd have only a few configurations, depending on "who" you
> are. Your way, you'd have to maintain loads of configurations for
> various folders. I don't think this is a wanted behaviour.

No.  My way would only require maintaining as much per folder as you
wanted to.

> Ok, let's put it this way: Being a "competant developer", you can easily
> UTSL and tailor your own version of pine. You can also make the patch
> publicly available (as is being done with pgp-filters, e.g.). But --
> again, no offence intended -- I don't see any urgent need for your
> suggestions being implemented in the general distrib. 

I intend to make patches available.  A lot of my purpose in posting was to
see if anybody else was working on these things since some of them are on
the official to do list.  I wouldn't consider any of this "urgent" either.

> [...]
>   >As for, against the UNIX spirit, both pine and perl are against the
>   >UNIX spirit.
> Pardon?

pine can't be called from a script.  That's rather against the spirit of
UNIX.  perl goes entirely against the 'simple tool' philosophy by throwing
everything together into one tool that (if you need it to be) isn't very
simple.

>   >You're more than welcome to go back and use mh (or mailx) and sh. They're
>   >perfectly in keeping with the UNIX spirit.
> 
> C'mon, you know what I'm talkin about... Nobody wants an addressbook
> specifically for pine.

That's what LDAP and addressbook are for.

> Rather, you want a global database with a
> front-end that launches pine. 

No, you want a back-end that's accessible through pine.  Pine is already a
front end for a weak address book functionality.  I'm just trying to
'open it up' by allowing it to work against a backend.

</chris>

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  feet, what happen if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?
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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> I'm not quite sure how Pine supporting multiple filters would help
> unless it provided *at send time* some way of letting you select which
> of your N filters were to be applied to this message. 

I was thinking that it would be a screen that would look like the options
screen.  You could use x to check off filters, and reorder them using some
other keys.  (Of course this wouldn't come up if you didn't have
enable-multiple-filters checked in your config.)

</chris>

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  feet, what happen if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?
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Dear Pine-fans,

how do I set Pine up to send mail through an alternate SMTP server, i.e.
not through sendmail? (I'm using Pine 3.95 under Linux 2.0.27)

Thanks for your help.

	Carlo


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I wolud like to get an E_MAIL list, to join people all over the world.

Thank you.


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I have a question about attachments. I need to know how to pull them up in
the pine program. I have saved it to my home-directory like it said to but
then it says that it does not know how to bring it up. What do I do?


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From:     Self <jasoneng>
To: rodallub@eco.uncor.edu
Subject: Re: e-mail adresses
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:22:06 -0500

> I wolud like to get an E_MAIL list, to join people all over the world.

If your statement is genuine, I don't think anyone on this mailing 
list/newsgroup will be able to help you.  Try IRC, you'll find lots 
of people to talk to.

If if it not genuine, try 
http://spam.writers.should.be.tortured.and.sent.to/dev/null

  Jason

--
Jason Englander <jasoneng@interl.net>
Systems Analyst - InterLink L.C.

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Kate M Mescher wrote:

  >I have a question about attachments. I need to know how to pull them up
  >in the pine program. I have saved it to my home-directory like it said to
  >but then it says that it does not know how to bring it up. What do I do?

1. Enter a subject line... *argl*

2. Name the system you're working with... (DEC OSF?)

3. Pine is a mailer --- not a viewer or whatever... You need an application
that can digest the attached file. Certain files-types can launch their
appropriate apps if you have a mailcap file set up. Check the f(ine) manual
for that ... It's called 
	man metamail

Later,
Robin

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On 4 Apr 1997, All Womens Health Services wrote:

> Help, I've been trying to unsubscribe to this list to no avail.
> awhs@efn.org
Highlight comp.mail.pine and hit Delete.


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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 ken@mango.human.cornell.edu wrote:

> >  >Email viruses are a hoax!
> >  >There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
> > 
> > For people using UNIX email programs on a UNIX machine, no, but there do
> > seem to be email viruses for Word that involve using the Word macro language
> > and having your email program launch Word as a viewer.
> 
> Hey, go easy on him -- he must still be recovering from his
> humor-bypass surgery.  (I, for one, enjoyed reading Robin's post, which
> Nathan obviously didn't.) 
I understood it after I read more of it.


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On 4 Apr 1997, john wrote:

> do you know anything about pinus pondarosa.
This mailing list isn't about trees.


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On 3 Apr 1997, Randy Gober LTA/GRA wrote:

> >Email viruses are a hoax!
> >There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
> 
> Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point
> on the "Better Times Virus"
Yeah I did.  Sorry.


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In the .pinerc or in the setup|config option set the value
"smtp-server=" to be the address of the smtp server you want to use.

hp

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Carlo Marinelli wrote:

> Dear Pine-fans,
> 
> how do I set Pine up to send mail through an alternate SMTP server, i.e.
> not through sendmail? (I'm using Pine 3.95 under Linux 2.0.27)
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> 	Carlo
> 
> 
> ---
> Carlo Marinelli
> e-mail mailto:cmarinelli@iName.com
> Web page http://agamedia.protec.it/people/carlos
> 


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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Jason Englander wrote:

You're a wicked person, Jason! Something *really* bad could have happened if
rodallub@eco.uncor.edu had tried what you suggested!!!

Now, rodallub@eco.uncor.edu, what you really want to do is try to post your
message to:

	news.admin.net-abuse.announce
	news.admin.net-abuse.misc

Just to make sure that it works, send a couple of mails, because they
sometimes get lost. But don't let that discourage you --- your idea is a
very noble one and deserves attention. Honestly!

  >To: rodallub@eco.uncor.edu
  >> I wolud like to get an E_MAIL list, to join people all over the world.

  >If if it not genuine, try
  >http://spam.writers.should.be.tortured.and.sent.to/dev/null


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Robin
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Hello:
	I'm using Pine 3.94. About one month ago, I received a message at
the bottom of my screen re: On/off preserve-start-stop character, which
would not go away.
	I followed the instructions to "X" that box in the Config area.
Since then, I have not been able to print any of my messages successfully.
It will print half of the message, stop and the whole system freezes.  I
have to restart my computer and try to get in again.  It works fine unless
I try again to print a message.  Then it freezes again.
	Hope you can help get my old system to working 100% again.
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Hi,

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Dear sir,

	We are using PINE version 3.93 under UNIXWARE 1.1.4 . All the 
options except for POSTPONE and REPLY are working fine. When we use
POSTPONE option the system keeps doing /-\ for about 3-4 minutes and 
after that it gives the following message

Mailbox /home/alka/mail/postponed_msgs is locked, will override in
270 seconds.

After that it keeps showing lesser and lesser seconds till finally
it becomes zero. 
But even after that the postpone folder is neither created nor the
message postponed.

As for REPLY option the system is giving the e-mail address of the
receipient twice i.e. it is taking the UUCP as well as SMTP address
formats both. This is inspite of the fact that we have completely
disabled the UUCP in the /etc/mailsurr file.

It would be kind of you if could suggest us the solution for 
removing these problems. 

Thanking you.

ALKA AGGARWAL
PSA
National Informatic Centre
New Delhi India.


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	ESC	(0x001b)
	[	(0x005b)
	A	(0x0041)
	ESC	(0x001b)
	[	(0x005b)
	A	(0x0041)
	RETURN	(0x000d)
	b	(0x0062)
	ESC	(0x001b)
	[	(0x005b)
	B	(0x0042)
	RETURN	(0x000d)

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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Robert L. Cox wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I "access" the "attachments" being sent to me via Pine.  I follow
> the commands on the screen, but get nowhere.  Please route me to the
> information I need to make this work.  Thanks.
> 
> Robert (Bob) L. Cox
> INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATION ASSOCIATION
> 8140 Burnet Road, PO Box 9589 
> Austin, Texas 78766 USA
> 512-454-8299, FAX 512-451-6270
> 

First, view the attachment by pressing 'v' (ViewAttch).  Choose the
attachment (Application). Then save it to a file - 's' (save) - it's
supppose to be in the home directory. Then view the file with any viewer
which is appropriate with the file type.

Hope, it's useful,
Stephen 



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On 10 Apr 1997, Sven Guckes wrote:

> mcorti@iiic.ethz.ch (Matteo Corti):
> > I have configured procmail to split my incoming mail in different folders
> > according to the subject.  My problem is that I have no way to know if new
> > mail is arrived in an alternate folder.  How can I make pine print a message
> > like "Folder "inbox" opened with n messages" also for the alternate ones?
>
> FAQ!  You have arrived at the "mail notification" problem.
> There are several programs that can notify you about new mailž
> most notably xbuffy and xbiff.  Check them out!
>
> For more info see page
> 	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mail/notification.html

 If you run the korn shell you can set the MAILPATH environment
 variable to point at several mail inboxes and add a little string
 to notify yourself which box has gotten new mail. For example

 MAILPATH=$HOME/mail/bob?"You have mail from Bob.":\
 $HOME/mail/susan?You have mail from Susan."

The environment variable MAILCHECK will tell ksh how often, in seconds,
to check the mail inboxes for new mail.

David

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In article <5igt4b$pb8@fu-berlin.de>,
	guckes@maddison.math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

> 	page:	http://www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html
> 	title:	Integrating Pine and PGP (on Unix) 

I wrote this web page.  

I got a Perl script from David Roberts that does the same thing as the
display.csh.  The Perl script pauses after decryption until I hit the 
RETURN key.  The shell script is supposed to do the same, but it doesn't.  
So, I like the Perl script better.  I have attached it at the end of this 
article.  Try it!

Enjoy!

Jie 
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. of Cincinnati - Dept. of Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575 = 513-558-2352 = x-1169 (fax) ==
== www.uc.edu/~yuanj = Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = using Knews (Irix5.3)     ==
== PGP key: finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu                      ==

-----display.pl---------
#!/usr/bin/perl
system("/usr/local/bin/pgp");
open(TTY, "+</dev/tty");
print TTY "\n\nPress [RETURN] to continue";
$junk = <TTY>;
close(TTY);
exit 0;







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On 7 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

> [...]

> How can I "block" someone's message, as in just not take it?
> 
> Is there a way to "refuse" certain parties mail? 
> 
> Can I set PINE up to ignore certain e-mail addresses entirely?

    Pine by itself cannot do any of these things.  It was not designed
to.  You want to do something called mail filtering, which hooks into
the mail delivery process before Pine ever gets into the picture.  
There is no single way to do this.  In part it depends on what
operating system you are using.  If you have a World Wide Browser,
browse my home page, follow the link to Nancy McGough's pages, follow a
couple of links in, and you will find ample information on mail
filtering.

> And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy disk?

    Yes.  Someone else already answered this question.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
----------------------------------------------------------
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key
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Thanks for the info.  Dave Cannell

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From: logan@exodus.arc.nasa.gov (Logan Shaw)
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Hi, I use pine as my e-mail program, and it's great.

One of the mailboxes I access is available through a direct IMAP
connection, though I cannot login to the machine directly with "rlogin"
or "rsh" (probably due to something like TCP wrappers).

The problem is that when I do an "rsh mailhost", it takes something like
5 or 10 seconds for me to get a "connection refused" message back, and
when opening an IMAP folder, pine seems to try doing the equivalent of

	rsh mailhost exec /etc/rimapd

before the equivalent of

	telnet mailhost imap

The result is that I must wait 5 or 10 seconds for the rsh to fail
every time I open the mailbox.  This is annoying when I use the TAB
key to scan my many mailboxes for unread messages.

So, my question is whether there's a way to tell pine that a folder
is accessible through IMAP but not through rsh'ed imap, preferably
on a folder-by-folder basis, i.e. something like this:

	{mailhost/user=me/norsh}INBOX

where the "norsh" is the fictitious flag I just made up that would tell
pine not to attempt to use the rsh command (since it's always always
always always going to fail).

E-mail replies would be appreciated.

  - Logan
--
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Hi ! there, is there a way to block
incoming messages from a particular person.

thanks

later...

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From: "Steve \"Stevers!\" Coile" <scoile@patriot.net>
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Subject: Re: pine IMAP -- turning off rsh attempts
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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Logan Shaw wrote:
[...]
>So, my question is whether there's a way to tell pine that a folder
>is accessible through IMAP but not through rsh'ed imap, preferably
>on a folder-by-folder basis, i.e. something like this:
>
>	{mailhost/user=me/norsh}INBOX
>
>where the "norsh" is the fictitious flag I just made up that would tell
>pine not to attempt to use the rsh command (since it's always always
>always always going to fail).

{mailhost:143/user=me}INBOX

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dawalsh@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Diane A. Walsh):
> how private is e-mail?

As private as normal mail.
Think about it!

Sven [pgp!]

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PC-Pine for Win32 seems to choke on any filenames with spaces in them.  For 
example, if I try to attach a Word document with name "C:\My 
Documents\Word.doc", it will try to attach c:\My and Documents\Word.doc.  This 
happens if I type the name myself or if I use the dialog box to select this 
file.

I have tried putting quotes around the name, but this leads to problems 
becasue Pine then thinks that the filename is actually a comment about an 
attachment rather than the file to attach.

Is there any workaround for this other than to store all files in directories 
without spaces in their filenames?  I would really like to be able to use the 
dialog box to be able to pick out what file to attach.

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From: guckes@maddison.math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: sigdashes
References: <3349052d.8129073@news.toplink.net> <Pine.LNX.3.95.970407084304.399C-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <5iat4b$m08$2@news3.voicenet.com> <fgoodwin-ya023480000704971155150001@tri.sbc.com> <19970407212547512861@marconi.physik.tu-berlin.de>
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schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz):
> Fred Goodwin <fgoodwin@tri.sbc.com> wrote:
> > The little "--" that precede the actual signature, as shown below.
> more precisely "-- ", AFAIK.

<URL:http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/#sigdashes>

                               Signature Dashes
                                       
   The "signature dashes" actually is a line which is used as the first
   line of a signature. This is described in the "son-on-rfc1036":

	If a poster or posting agent does append a signature to an article,
	the signature SHOULD be preceded with a delimiter line containing
	(only) two hyphens (ASCII 45) followed by one blank (ASCII 32).

   As someone said: "Feel free to disagree all you want." ;-)
   
   The sigdashes act as a seperator which allows easy recognition of
   signatures. This line consists of two dashes and a trailing space, ie
   "-- " (note the space) and thus can be recognized in a data stream as
   the character sequence "(newline)(dash)(dash)(space)(newline)". Some
   programs recognize a signature by the (sigdashes). It's exactly that!
   
   Let me make this perfectly clear: There are no additional characters
   before, after or in between. This means no whitespace before the
   dashes, no additional dashes, one space at the end, followed only by
   an newline which ends the line. That's it!
   
   One day all programs showing mails and articles will be able suppress
   signatures if you don't want to see them. Some programs enforce the
   use of sigdashes, eg [1]ELM, [2]MUTT, and [3]SLRN.
   
   Take a look at these picture pages to see examples of sigdashes in use:
   
   SLRN Picture page:
   [4]http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/slrn/pictures.html
   
   Please Give others the chance to make use of this feature, too. Use
   sigdashes whenever appending you sig to email or articles! Thanks!

   References:

   1. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/
   2. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/
   3. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/slrn/
   4. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/slrn/pictures.html

Hope this makes it a little more clear.  :-)

Followup-To: comp.mail.misc

Sven

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To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
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On 8 Apr 1997 23:46:24 -0700, Michael Douglass <mikedoug@texas.net> wrote:
>
>Would it not be wise to also fix the flawed code as well?  The booby
>trap is nice, but sometimes the mice can get around the trap and retrieve
>the cheese anyways! :)
>

Actually, I believe this is exactly why Mark Crispin makes the recommendation
he makes, in the message you quoted...

[some parts snipped for clarity]

>+---
>| From mrc@cac.washington.edu Tue Apr  8 09:26:34 1997
>| Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:05 -0800
>| From: Mark Crispin <mrc@cac.washington.edu>
>| To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
>| Subject: Re: Pine 3.96
>|
>| Unless you have a special reason to continue to run IMAP2bis based
>| servers, I recommend that you run the servers in the imap-4.1 toolkit:
>|       ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z
>| since this version supports IMAP4rev1 and POP3 with UIDL.

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From: David L Miller <dlm@cac.washington.edu>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: IMAP4d for SCO 5 and Pine 3.96 ???
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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Eigil Krogh Sorensen wrote:

> Does a version of IMAP4D, that can be installed on a SCO 5 system,
> exsist somewhere  ?

The source distribution in the UW IMAP toolkit should compile on SCO.
There are "sco" and "sc5" ports, depending on which version of SCO you
are running.  It is available from

	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z

> 
> Can Pine 3.96 (both PC and UNIX version) communicate with an IMAP4
> server ?

Yes.  We are using only IMAP4rev1 servers on our centrally managed
systems and have no problem with Pine 3.96. 


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czahora@ideanet.doe.state.in.us (Cherie Zahora PIKE TWP SCHOOLS):
> I'm using Pine 3.94.  [snip]

The first thing to do is find out whether there a newer version in the good
hope that the bugs have been fixed.  Well, there is a newer version: Pine-3.96

Upgrade!

Sven

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CW-Powell@wiu.edu (Chris Powell):
> Just curious, what exactly does a mail bomb to do a pine account?

Nothing.

> Would like to find out without actually getting one. 

Now you did.

Sven

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I have been using Pine 3.91 on a Unix decstation.

On several ocassions (perhaps 6 times, over a year), I have had messages 
appear in the middle of my mail box - marked new - months after they 
were sent.  Some of these were pertinent enough that I am quite sure 
that they were indeed unread.

On one ocassion, our system manager checked a back-up tape (months old), 
and found that the messages were in fact in my spool file at the time.  
It appears that Pine was not seeing these messages.

Our system manager then switched our installation to Pine 3.90.  The 
moment that I first ran 3.90, three more messages surfaced (each a couple 
of months old) that 3.91 had not seen.

In frustration, I decided to give Elm a try.  I get the following error 
message which I suspect may be related:

	Reading in /usr/spool/mail/rodning, message: 456
	newmbox - length of mbox. != spool mailbox length!!

	Write to temp file failed, exiting leaving mailbox intact!

I realize that the above will likely sound strange.  I have accounts on 
various machines at diverse locations, and I've never heard of problems 
like this.  Any ideas?

thanks

	nate rodning
	http://www.phys.ualberta.ca/~rodning/rodning.html


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I'd like to know too. Did you ever find out?

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I am a student a New Mexico State University.  Our school uses Ewan telnet
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   Someone can help auto-redirecting msg to a folder depending of the 
sender? I tried to do this in the config, but don't works :(

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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997,  wrote:

  >Hi ! there, is there a way to block incoming messages from a particular
  >person.

Sure, reading the f* manual... Pine is an email program, not a filter. Read
*yawn* Nancy McGough's filtering faq at:
   
   http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
   ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
   ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq
   
And... not signing a message if you don't even have your real name in your
address is quite rude... Why don't you get the email-faq, too, before you
bore everyone to death with your FAQ.

Robin      

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Hi,
Is there anyone who can send me some kind of computer games via E-mail?
Please, attach them/it(Game.zip or Game.arj) to your reply!!!
Thanks in advance!
===============================================================================

Nodir


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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 Punter44@aol.com wrote:

  >I am a student a New Mexico State University.  Our school uses Ewan
  >telnet and Pine, when I am out of town I would like to check my e-mail
  >from other computers how would I go about doing this?

By talking to the people at your helpdesk. Since you didn't provide any
information about your system, there's nothing substantial that can be said.

Later,
Robin

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On 10 Apr 1997, Ivan wrote:

  >   Someone can help auto-redirecting msg to a folder depending of the
  >sender? I tried to do this in the config, but don't works :(

What you're asking for is mail filtering and has *nothing* to do with pine.
Read the help that comes with pine:

     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
  How can I filter messages into different incoming folders?
  
Pine does not perform delivery filtering; that is the function of other
programs, such as (on Unix hosts) "procmail" or "mailagent." For details on
selection and configuration of such programs, see the Filtering Mail FAQ (by
Nancy McGough) at one of the following locations:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
faq.html
http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq
     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
   
Later,
Robin            


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I have several folders in mail/ which are read very infrequently and it would
be nice to have them gzipped up to save space. But of course that turns them 
into  Application/OCTET-STREAM which can only be viewed and saved and so this
doesnt help me.

Has anyone used/written/seen/known a way to do something like this?

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nturdiev@uwed.freenet.uz (Nodir Turdiev):
> Is there anyone who can send me some kind of computer games via E-mail?

Yes.

> Please, attach them/it(Game.zip or Game.arj) to your reply!!!

No.

Please learn to direct your requests to the appropriate newsgroups.
Or don't ever post again!  Thankyou!

Sven

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The simplest way of suppressing Pine's attempt to use rsh to establish the
IMAP connection is to append ":143" to the hostname in the folder
specification.  (If the IMAP server is running on some other,
non-standard, port then use its number instead.)  Thus:

	{imap.your.machine:143}inbox

If you want to turn off the rsh use for _all_ of your IMAP connections
then edit your .pinerc file and set the "rsh-open-timeout" variable to the
value 0.  (You can't do this through Pine's Setup Configuration screen as
it is not something users are expected to do often.)

Alternatively, and perhaps better from your point of view, is to ask the
Systems Administrator of the IMAP server whether they will consider
setting up a pre-authenticated IMAP service.  To do this they will need
to:
	1.  Set up a symbolic link from /etc/rimapd to their real IMAP
	    daemon executable.
	2.  Enable rsh access for you (and others).

If they don't want people being able to rsh into their IMAP server machine
and executing other commands there they may have to write a little
"blocker" program to use instead of a normal shell for the users.  This is
the route we have taken; the blocker program only allows /etc/rimapd
command to be given.

Cheers,

-- 
Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Logan Shaw wrote:

> Hi, I use pine as my e-mail program, and it's great.
> 
> One of the mailboxes I access is available through a direct IMAP
> connection, though I cannot login to the machine directly with "rlogin"
> or "rsh" (probably due to something like TCP wrappers).
> 
> The problem is that when I do an "rsh mailhost", it takes something like
> 5 or 10 seconds for me to get a "connection refused" message back, and
> when opening an IMAP folder, pine seems to try doing the equivalent of
> 
> 	rsh mailhost exec /etc/rimapd
> 
> before the equivalent of
> 
> 	telnet mailhost imap
> 
> The result is that I must wait 5 or 10 seconds for the rsh to fail
> every time I open the mailbox.  This is annoying when I use the TAB
> key to scan my many mailboxes for unread messages.
> 
> So, my question is whether there's a way to tell pine that a folder
> is accessible through IMAP but not through rsh'ed imap, preferably
> on a folder-by-folder basis, i.e. something like this:
> 
> 	{mailhost/user=me/norsh}INBOX
> 
> where the "norsh" is the fictitious flag I just made up that would tell
> pine not to attempt to use the rsh command (since it's always always
> always always going to fail).
> 
> E-mail replies would be appreciated.
> 
>   - Logan
> --
> Logan Shaw, Unix Systems Administrator
> "everybody / loves to see / justice done / on somebody else" (Bruce Cockburn)
> 


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On 11 Apr 1997, Ian Farrer wrote:

  >I have several folders in mail/ which are read very infrequently and it
  >would be nice to have them gzipped up to save space. But of course that
  >turns them into Application/OCTET-STREAM which can only be viewed and
  >saved and so this doesnt help me.
  >Has anyone used/written/seen/known a way to do something like this?

Direct solution: none

Workaround:

a) folder collections

b) script that unzips / opens pine / zips

c) zcat | .myfilter (*) | less

a) and c) are the ones I prefer. I keep my *really* old mail stored in a
separate dir and only check it when I'm looking for something. The filter
does a couple of grep -v to make the mail better readable. printmail does
the same.

Folder collections aren't much of a help, except in connection with b). Then
you could start pine for that purpose via script when you need the old mail.
Since u*ix keeps pine in the cache, opening/closing is a matter of 1 second.

Later,
Robin

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Hi..

I'm trying to set up pcpine on my local pc for remote
access to another system.

It works fine and I can see and manipulate my inbox
and all my folders.  

However, when I try to create a message and send...
it gives me either a message that it I have an
"imap create argument missing.

I've tried very hard to get the syntax correct
with the following folders below but something
is missing.  The path to the folders is not
correct because when i send the message it
it tries to find the sent-mail folder and
can't find it.

Does anyone know where I can find IMAP
create arguments?  I've tried looking through
the site http://www.imap.org but I can't
seem to find what I need.  



default-fcc              = {my.mailhost.com}mail/sent-mail
default-saved-msg-folder = {my.mailhost.com}mail/saved-messages
postponed-folder         = {my.mailhost.com}mail/postponed-msgs


thx.

Kathleen





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lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti):
> is there some ELM option I can tell to my correspondents
> to set to avoid sending normal mail as attachment ?

Sending attachments with ELM isn't easy.
They either have someone do something for them
or do something they don't understand.

> X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: Message/rfc822
> X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
> Content-Type: text

Hp, eh?  Anyway, tell those clowns to upgrade to ELM2.4PL25 first.
Why bother about old versions, anyway?
First time I've seen the header "X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4", btw.
You can get ELM from the ELM distribution page:

	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/dist.html

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The only information relevant on the Net here is this:

> Lucio Chiappetti lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it http://www.ifctr.mi.cnr.it/~lucio/

Put the rest on your personal.html ;-)

Sven

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Punter44@aol.com (Punter44@aol.com):
> I am a student a New Mexico State University.  Our school uses Ewan telnet
> and Pine,  when I am out of town I would like to check my e-mail from other
> computers  how would I go about doing this?

Find a computer that links up to yours.  Use telnet.

	telnet hostname
	login:
	password:

etc

Sven

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I got pc pine and set it up and it work great, what version of imapd
are you running.  I tried this out on 95, running pine3.96, conecting
to a imapd4.1 using the following lines and it worked fine the first
time.

inbox-path			{my.imap.server}INBOX
folder-collections		{my.imap.server}mail/[]
default-fcc			{my.imap.server}mail/sent-mail
default-saved-msg-folder	{my.imap.server}mail/saved-messages

If you are not already running imapd4.1 you should think about
upgrading, at least for the security fixes.

hp

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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Kathleen P. Daily-Herrman wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Hi..
> 
> I'm trying to set up pcpine on my local pc for remote
> access to another system.
> 
> It works fine and I can see and manipulate my inbox
> and all my folders.  
> 
> However, when I try to create a message and send...
> it gives me either a message that it I have an
> "imap create argument missing.
> 
> I've tried very hard to get the syntax correct
> with the following folders below but something
> is missing.  The path to the folders is not
> correct because when i send the message it
> it tries to find the sent-mail folder and
> can't find it.
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find IMAP
> create arguments?  I've tried looking through
> the site http://www.imap.org but I can't
> seem to find what I need.  
> 
> 
> 
> default-fcc              = {my.mailhost.com}mail/sent-mail
> default-saved-msg-folder = {my.mailhost.com}mail/saved-messages
> postponed-folder         = {my.mailhost.com}mail/postponed-msgs
> 
> 
> thx.
> 
> Kathleen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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I am using Pine 3.95 on a linux setup.
Whenever I get a message that was composed in a character set other than
the US Ascii set I get a warning such as listed below.
	I would like to know if there is a way of disabling this warning,
as it's a bit annoying and to my knowledge I have not benefitted from it.

[The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set]
[Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set]
[Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]

	Thanks for any assistance.
KB


			Kevin Barry
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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Kevin Barry wrote:

  >Whenever I get a message that was composed in a character set other than
  >the US Ascii set I get a warning such as listed below.
  >	I would like to know if there is a way of disabling this warning,
  >as it's a bit annoying and to my knowledge I have not benefitted from it.

Well, you can always patch the source... But if it's mainly iso-8859-1, you
can change your character set in the setup. It won't do any harm, since
us-ascii is a subset of iso-8859-1.

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Something odd I've been reflexively working around for several months now,
to wit: procmail interacting oddly with pine on a particular platform.

On a certain linux box, the two interact *nearly* seamlessly -- procmail
filters, inspects, and delivers, and pine periodically polls my system
inbox as well as whatever local box I'm reading to tell me if/when new
mail has arrived.  Mail comes in several messages at a time, locking all
seems to work, etc. 

On a certain SunOS 4.1.4 box, pine chokes and dies when it discovers that
procmail has touched the box it's reading.  "UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO
MAILBOX," it says in its inimitable all caps way.  "(try restarting):???"

peeping procmail's log, I find that procmail hasn't seemed to have a
problem:

[see appendix A]

and indeed, when I restart pine, everything seems hunky dory.  

The aforementioned linux box has performed this stunt maybe 2 times in the
past 8 months.  The SunOS box does it hourly.

My first thought: Permissions'n'umasks!  But that wasn't it.  I'm 027, my
.procmailrc says 027, all the files concerned are correctly owned.

My second thought: file locking!  But giving procmail explicit lockfiles
didn't seem to change anything.  (still could be that pine objects to
having its files locked, even briefly, but it would be totally new
behavior to me...)  In addition, the fact that as pine tells me to restart
its own internal indexing has gotten badly munged makes me think that it's
something much more insidious. 

So I turn on pine's built-in debugging.  (read: built-in oversharing, on
demand.)  

[see appendix B]

So I'm still not sure what's causing this, and I guess this whole
overlong letter boils down to this:

Anyone got a clue on why this might be happening?  Is it just SunOS?  Am I
nuts?

A

p.s. my other question is why certain mail-agents (Eudora in
particular) put four ^A's at the end of their messages, but that's a
problem for a different letter, I think.

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 slapping the water.  -FD Reeve                          adam@apocalypse.org

============================================================
[appendix A]

procmail: [26210] Fri Apr 11 09:25:03 1997
procmail: No match on "^Subject.*(urgent|immediat|emergenc).*"
procmail: Match on "foo.com"
procmail: Locking "/users/adam/mail/foo.lock"
procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=foo"
procmail: Opening "foo"
procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock
procmail: [26210] Fri Apr 11 09:25:04 1997
procmail: Unlocking "/users/adam/mail/foo.lock"
>From lapham@foo.com  Fri Apr 11 09:25:03 1997
 Subject: print monitor
  Folder: foo
1775
procmail: [26210] Fri Apr 11 09:25:05 1997
procmail: Notified comsat: "adam@2795482:/users/adam/mail/foo"
============================================================

[appendix B]

[lots of seemingly normal stuff cut out here]

 - process_cmd((110)n) -
q_status_message(No more messages in folder)
PROCESS_CMD return: 0
@@@@ current:449
new mail called (1 2 1)
check_point(VeryBadTime)
freq: 48  count: 1
tm: 1260  elapsed: 23
freq 48 tm 1260 changes 1 since_1st_change 23
since_status_chg 23 chk_cnt_ave 100 (tenths)
adj_chk_cnt_ave 165 (tenths)
Check:if changes(1)xadj_cca(165) >= freq(48)x200
      is 165 >= 9600 ?
Mail_Ping(mail_stream): Fri Apr 11 11:18:57 1997

New mail checked 
IMAP 11:18:57 4/11 mm_log ERROR: Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): ^A^A^A^A
>From adam@foo.
q_status_message(Unexpected changes to mailbox (try resta)
Ping complete: Fri Apr 11 11:18:57 1997

******** new mail returning -1  ********
STATUS: diff:-1, displayed: 860771936, now: 860771937
d_q_status_message(Already at end of message)
d_q_status_message(No more messages in folder)
output_message(Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): ^A^A^A^A
>From adam@foo.)
STATUS cmd:110, max:5, min3
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
Select readfds:-268439024 timeval:240,0
Select on tty returned 1
Read char returning: 113 q
Read command returning: 113 q
New_mail_count zeroed

 - process_cmd((113)q) -
MAIL_CMD: quit
PROCESS_CMD return: 0
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

    ---- QUIT SCREEN ----
expunge and close mail stream "/users/adam/mail/foo"
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end_screen called
about to end_tty_driver
end_signals(0)
- completely_done_with_adrbks -
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Jim Sheafer wrote:
>Anyone ever start a browser based on a url in a mail/news message?  I have
>been trying to start lynx via something like this: <PIPE> grep http | xargs
>lynx <RETURN> Tried several different variations (Raw, un-captured, etc).
>Any success stories?

Yes, mutt and slrn.  They replace Pine quite nicely.  Check them out!

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Hello:

I'm running 3.96 PC-PINE Beta, and when I try to print an email, about
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Any ideas, please?

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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Offissa Pupp wrote:
>Something odd I've been reflexively working around for several months now,
>to wit: procmail interacting oddly with pine on a particular platform.

I recall reading somewhere that Sun machines use a slightly different
mbox format.  Check the man page for "formail".

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Does anyone know how I can create my own webpage????

Thankyou in advance »Kevin B«

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Anyone ever start a browser based on a url in a mail/news message?

I have been trying to start lynx via something like this:

<PIPE> grep http | xargs lynx <RETURN>

Tried several different variations (Raw, un-captured, etc).

Any success stories?

Jim

sheafer@wauug.erols.com


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Hi,

I got something to ask you guys.
Can I actually create a mailing list using pine?
Please send me e-mail at effendy@gte.net
Thank's

Effendy

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Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.pine: 11-Apr-97 Help! by The
Brombergs@worldnet.a 
> Does anyone know how I can create my own webpage????

This is completely the wrong newsgroup for that question.

--Steve

Stephen R. Laniel                 |    "I was born not knowing and
Carnegie Mellon University        |     have only had a little time to
laniel@cmu.edu                    |     change that here and there."
www.andrew.cmu.edu/~laniel        |               --Richard Feynman


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Un jour, John A. Haddon (haddon@campanile.EECS.Berkeley.EDU)
      affirmait publiquement que:

| (Meta-anything results in a beep and an "Unknown Command:"  message.)  I
| did check that this is not the result of some other change in the system
| -- it is still possible for me to run version 3.91, and I can still get
| the foreign symbols on that version. 

Make sure that the character-set is "ISO-8859-1". I remember having that
problem but got it resolved somehow. Perhaps, Xmodmap is a good
alternative too.

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From: rian+@polder.ubc.kun.nl (Rian van der Borgt)
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Subject: Re: procmail'n'pine oddness
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.970411130548.14815A-100000@exupub>,
Derrick Green  <eusdegr@exu.ericsson.se> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Offissa Pupp wrote:
>>On a certain SunOS 4.1.4 box, pine chokes and dies when it
>>discovers that procmail has touched the box it's reading. 
>>"UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO MAILBOX," it says in its inimitable all
>>caps way.  "(try restarting):???" 
>
>Have you "enabled incoming folders" and then set up each mailbox
>that procmail filters to as an "incoming folder" in Pine?  If not,
>that is your problem.  It sounds like you're just reading standard
>mail folders in pine, which would cause the problem you've
>encountered (except on your INBOX). 

Well, I haven't set "enable-incoming-folders" and I have no provlems
whatsoever when procmail delivers a message to the mailbox I'm reading.
I don't think that's the problem.

Regards,

          Rian

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, The Brombergs wrote:

> Does anyone know how I can create my own webpage????

Sure, lots of people know the answer to that one...

*But* that question has nothing to do with PINE...

Regards,

	Ed

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From: Hussam Husain Qasem <hqasem@indiana.edu>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Bug in Pine 3.96
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Hi,

I think I found a really annoying bug in Pine 3.96. (Even 3.95)
Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the 
files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 
00023 is pine's process id. The problem is that it creates this file 
according to my umask! :( I have my umask set to 022, that means while 
I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can read the 
message I'm sending!

This is what I thought of:

1) Write a front-end script that will set my umask to 077 
   when I enter pine, and 022 when I exist.
2) Hack the source, so it will set the right permission when it 
   creates the file #pico12345#

I'ld probably think the second solution would be the best (if not the 
first). Looking at the help file, this is what I find:

+-------------------------------------------------------------------
| NEW FEATURES IN 3.92
| 
| COMPOSER IMPROVEMENTS  (yeah right!)
| 
|  o Composer checkpointing (Look for files beginning with: #pico... )
| 

Checkpointing? What's that suppose to mean. And apparently, it doesn't 
seem like it "checks". Looking at "other.c", I found:
+----------------------------------------------
| pbuf.ckptdir       = checkpoint_dir_for_pico;
I don't even know if that's relevant.

Do you have any suggestions, or found simiar problems? Is it my pinerc 
file? I'm attaching it just in case.

Does anyone have any idea, suggestions, or similar problems? Is it my 
pinerc file?

Also just a question on the side, under Pine, when I reach the end of the 
page, it scrolls line by line, how can I change this behavior to instead 
scroll by page. The only thing I found in the configuration, was how far 
(from the bottom or top) you want to start scrolling line by line, which is 
not what I wanted.

Also, I couldn't figure out how can I make new versions of Pine, 
highlight what I search for.

Thanks a lot!!

Hussam :)


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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, The Brombergs wrote:

  >Does anyone know how I can create my own webpage????

Yes.

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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jim Sheafer wrote:

> Anyone ever start a browser based on a url in a mail/news message?
> I have been trying to start lynx via something like this:
> <PIPE> grep http | xargs lynx <RETURN>
> Tried several different variations (Raw, un-captured, etc).
> Any success stories?
Yes, put the attached script into a file and pipe the current message
through it uncaptured. Standard format links appear in it as real links
that can be saved or followed.

General idea is the script converts an ascii message into HTML.

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From: djo@netcom.com (Darryl Ong)
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In article <5igs8v$1hu0@uni.library.ucla.edu>,
Soren Telfer <telfer@physics.ucla.edu> wrote:
>Sorry if this is a dumb one, but is there an interface for pgp with pine?
>I've checked the FAQ, I think.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Soren Telfer
>
>/^\./^\./^\./^\./^\./^\
>telfer@physics.ucla.edu
>http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~telfer
>Por favor, reply via email!

Almost there - check http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/utils.shtml -
there isn't a PGP-aware pine like they have for elm, but with the
aid of a simple filter, you can do it - (as described in 
http://www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html), or a simple perl script 
- papp (http://www.rhein.de/~aldo/pine.html).

I believe these are referenced under the FAQ as utilites & add-ons or 
something like that.

-Darryl

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>From the tech-notes (3.95q):

   PC-Pine reads and writes local (PC) folders in a special format
   similar to the Tenex format. Near as we can tell, PC-Pine is the only
   program to use this format. Beginning with version 3.90, PC-Pine
   includes a Read-Only driver for the Berkeley mailbox format in
   addition. That means that you can import Unix mail folders, or mount
   them via NFS or SMB, and PC-Pine can read them --but not modify them.

IOW they've fucked up again, perhaps it's fixed in 3.96 or 4.*
I'm not holding my breath, they'll tell you to run an IMAP server
on the UNIX box for PC-Pine to connect to. <sic>

--
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Florian Fell wrote:

> Hallo,
> 
> when I try to run pine on my system under win95 and linux using the same
> local folder collection, I have to put this collection on the
> vfat-partition, because win95 cannot read ext2-Partitions.
> But when I do so, Pine is not able to write to this folder collection on
> "dos_c", although the user has all rights (umask=000 mounting dos_c) and
> editing or deleting a file on dos_c is no problem.
> 
> Thank you for an idea!
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________
> Florian Fell                       D-80801 Muenchen               
> fell@sozw.fh-muenchen.de
> 
> 


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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I think I found a really annoying bug in Pine 3.96. (Even 3.95)
> Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the 
> files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 
> 00023 is pine's process id. The problem is that it creates this file 
> according to my umask! :( I have my umask set to 022, that means while 
> I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can read the 
> message I'm sending!
> 

	Well, more precisely, *any* file you create can be read or copied 
by any other user on the system if you have a umask of 022. This is *not* 
a bug with pine. Why not re-set your umask? Enter "umask 77" for it 
only to be readable only by you. Even better, to save yourself the typing 
in the future, put "umask 77" in your .login or .cshrc file.

	Again, this is *not* a bug in pine.

				Chad Glynn

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I would like to print my e-mail directly from a remote PINE (my ISP's)
to my local LINUX box.  I use C-KERMIT to log in.  I have the PRINTER
configuration in the remote PINE set to 'attached-to-ansi.'  However,
when I press 'Y,' the text just flashes by on the screen and does
not print off on my local Laserjet Series II printer; however,
everything works fine when I log in to my ISP from DOS using MS-KERMIT.

I have consulted my ISP and he says it should work.  He even directed me
to use a programme called 'lpansi' to test it out, but the results are
always the same.  I have used 'vtprint' command on the remote KERMIT and
everything just appears on the screen as usual.

What have I done to test it out? 

I have set my local PRINTER variable to PRINTER=lp
PRINTER=/usr/bin/lpr and possibly a few others.

I have used the LINUX 'console' for terminal emulation and have also
tried vt100 on my local LINUX box.  My ISP is set to vt100 and I have
also set KERMIT to the same terminal emulation.

I have tried the followoing commands on my local KERMIT:  set destination
printer set printer lp, or set printer /usr/bin/lpr. I am not really usr
how the environment variable PRINTER should be set in any case, but I
think 'lp' is the only definition that is correct since it is the name 
of the printer in /etc/printcap. 

If you could reply by e-mail I would appreciate it.


John






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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Glynn, Chadwick wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think I found a really annoying bug in Pine 3.96. (Even 3.95)
> > Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the 
> > files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 
> > 00023 is pine's process id. The problem is that it creates this file 
> > according to my umask! :( I have my umask set to 022, that means while 
> > I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can read the 
> > message I'm sending!
> > 
> 
> 	Well, more precisely, *any* file you create can be read or copied 
> by any other user on the system if you have a umask of 022. This is *not* 
> a bug with pine. Why not re-set your umask? Enter "umask 77" for it 
> only to be readable only by you. Even better, to save yourself the typing 
> in the future, put "umask 77" in your .login or .cshrc file.
> 
> 	Again, this is *not* a bug in pine.

	I beg to differ.  umask only controls the "initial" vaule of the
file permissions.  Any program should then change the permissions, if
prudent, to reasonable vaules for in order to maintain the security of the
information.  A mail program should not leave it up to the user to ensure
their system is configured to makeup for the mail program's faults. 
Indeed the user may *not want* the default mask to be as restrictive as it
should be for mail programs. 

	That said, I started to compose an email with pine and then
simulated a communications failure.  I did not see the exact same
situation as described by the first individual.  However, pine did
leave a file in my home directory (.pine-interrupted-mail) with
permissions of 644.  This, IMNSHO, is *very bad*.

	Regards,

		Ed

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:

  >I think I found a really annoying bug in Pine 3.96. (Even 3.95) 
  
*rotfl*  
  
  >Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the
  >files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 00023
  >is pine's process id. 

Are you sure it doesn't happen with shorter files? Just to make sure, type
500 hundred messages with the following line in the body:

"I shall RTFM before I post. I shall not spread rumours. I shall man bash."

Maybe it'll go away (many bugs have vanished this way in the past...).

  >The problem is that it creates this file according to my umask! :( I have
  >my umask set to 022

KeWL... Since you know how to do it, why don't you go ahead and set it to
.077 generally? Your .<shell>rc would seem a good place for that ;->

  >, that means while I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can
  >read the message I'm sending! This is what I thought of:
  >1) Write a front-end script that will set my umask to 077
  >   when I enter pine, and 022 when I exist.

A "front-end script"? Woah! Can I have one, too? (BTW, I've never thought of
pine as part of VR)

  >2) Hack the source, so it will set the right permission when it
  >   creates the file #pico12345#
  >I'ld probably think the second solution would be the best (if not the
  >first).
  
K. Hack it, make a patch, submit it --- done. What's all the fuzz about,
anyway? Pico sucks, almost everyone agrees on that, especially Sven "vim"
Guckes and Robin "Joe" Socha >:-> If you want to use pine "professionally",
you'll probably need another editor, anyhow. You've got emacs as your
alternate editor --- set it up to store the tmp files in a "secure"
directory...

AND...
Even if it had been a bug, submitting the report to the list first
doesn't seem the best option imnsho. Ever tried M(ain), B (Report Bug)?

Have a nice weekend,
Robin

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Glynn, Chadwick wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think I found a really annoying bug in Pine 3.96. (Even 3.95)
> > Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the 
> > files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 
> > 00023 is pine's process id. The problem is that it creates this file 
> > according to my umask! :( I have my umask set to 022, that means while 
> > I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can read the 
> > message I'm sending!
> 
> 	Well, more precisely, *any* file you create can be read or copied 
> by any other user on the system if you have a umask of 022. This is *not* 
> a bug with pine. Why not re-set your umask? Enter "umask 77" for it 
> only to be readable only by you. Even better, to save yourself the typing 
> in the future, put "umask 77" in your .login or .cshrc file.

I do WANT people to read files *I* create, but I do *NOT* want them to 
read my mail! I *DO WANT* my umask to be 022.

> 	Again, this is *not* a bug in pine.

Yes, when people can read your personal stuff, then that's a bug.
Have you noticed (even when setting your umask to 000), when you first 
invoke pine, it'll create a ~/mail directory with permisson 700 ??!
Now you've got to tell me, one of them has to be a bug.

Hussam


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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.970409112548.14079F-100000@yakko.chicks.net>,
Christopher Hicks <chicks@chicks.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote:
>> Perhaps it's time for someone to start a library of Pine filters?
>
>Even cooler would be to have a screen that allowed a series of filters to
>be applied in the order the user wished.

Definitely, yes.

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From: Hussam Husain Qasem <hqasem@indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.96
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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> 
>   >Every time I compose a long message, and then I suspend, and view the
>   >files in my home directory, I find a file named: #pico00023# where 00023
>   >is pine's process id. 
> 
> Are you sure it doesn't happen with shorter files? Just to make sure, type
> 500 hundred messages with the following line in the body:

From: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.04/msg00270.html
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|     As far as Pico as part of Pine is concerned, in 3.92 it is automagic
| that there is a file checkpointed every 200 keystrokes.  As I compose this
| message, I see the following file increasing in size...
| -rw-rw-r--    1 core     hackerz      766 Apr 10 14:47 #pico00642#
|     This file contains most of the contents of this message.
| 

Oh... how nice! (It's even writable by the group!) I like that...

>   >The problem is that it creates this file according to my umask! :( I have
>   >my umask set to 022
> 
> KeWL... Since you know how to do it, why don't you go ahead and set it to
> .077 generally? Your .<shell>rc would seem a good place for that ;->

My problem is not changing the umask. I want my umask to be 022. But I 
don't want people to read the messages I send!! 
If creating the file ~/#pico00023# with permissions as my umask is 
considered a feature, whey the file ~/dead.letter it creates is set to 600?
I need an explanation. It is a bug.

Besides people, before flaming at my message, so for *NO ONE* has 
answered me with a solution. Did any one notice, I had another part in my 
message??

Hussam


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Does a version of IMAP4D, that can be installed on a SCO 5 system,
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Can Pine 3.96 (both PC and UNIX version) communicate with an IMAP4
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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

>     So writing the checkpoint file is certainly not a bug.  As for
> using your umask, how else should Pine do it to set permissions? 
> Guess?  Roll dice?

Well, since it creates the "mail" subdirectory (for its mail folders) with
a umask of 077, *IMHO* it would only seem reasonable that it would save
the checkpoint files with the same permissions. Why should the work in
progress have other permissions than the ones that are finished (i.e saved
to the folders)?

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UMABnet Help Account wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to set up IMAP access to a remote account.  Per the
> instructions in the online help and in numerous messages to
> comp.mail.pine, I've added
>         {umabnet.ab.umd.edu}mail/[]
> to the folder collection, and that works properly.  However, adding
>         {umabnet.ab.umd.edu}INBOX
> to get the remote INBOX generates an error message, as follows:
>           [Bad context, No '[' in context : {umabnet.ab.umd.edu}INBOX]
> Pine opens, but the remote INBOX doesn't appear in the folder list.

In your .pinerc file, try this line:
# Name/path of inbox. (Folder path name or "{host}inbox" for remote IMAP
inbox)
inbox-path={umabnet.ab.umd.edu}/var/spool/mail/help

(or wherever your mail is spooled to.)

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

>   >The problem is that it creates this file according to my umask! :( I have
>   >my umask set to 022
> 
> KeWL... Since you know how to do it, why don't you go ahead and set it to
> .077 generally? Your .<shell>rc would seem a good place for that ;->

	I believe you are missing the point.

	A mail UA should have security in mind.  Thus, it should have the
where-with-all to ensure that any of the files it creates (or programs
called on its behalf create) have the proper access rights to provide the
level of security one would expect from a UA.

>   >, that means while I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can
>   >read the message I'm sending! This is what I thought of:
>   >1) Write a front-end script that will set my umask to 077
>   >   when I enter pine, and 022 when I exist.
> 
> A "front-end script"? Woah! Can I have one, too? (BTW, I've never thought of
> pine as part of VR)

	It isn't polite to make mock of a proposed work-around to a bug
or even a preceived bug.  

	If you like chocolate milk on your corn flakes and others made
fun of it....how would you feel?

>   >2) Hack the source, so it will set the right permission when it
>   >   creates the file #pico12345#
>   >I'ld probably think the second solution would be the best (if not the
>   >first).
>   
> K. Hack it, make a patch, submit it --- done. What's all the fuzz about,
> anyway? Pico sucks, almost everyone agrees on that, especially Sven "vim"
> Guckes and Robin "Joe" Socha >:-> If you want to use pine "professionally",
> you'll probably need another editor, anyhow. You've got emacs as your
> alternate editor --- set it up to store the tmp files in a "secure"
> directory...
> 
> AND...
> Even if it had been a bug, submitting the report to the list first
> doesn't seem the best option imnsho. Ever tried M(ain), B (Report Bug)?

	So, you think all problems should simply be sent in as a bug
report and not discussed on this list?  Don't you think that is 
counter productive?  I'd rather hear about what others have found and
consider a bug than to have to find them all myself.

	Regards,

		Ed

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:13:06 -0400, Paul O Bartlett
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>    So writing the checkpoint file is certainly not a bug.  As for
>using your umask, how else should Pine do it to set permissions? 
>Guess?  Roll dice?  umask exists for setting permissions by default. 
>If you have your umask set to 022, it seems a reasonable assumption for
>Pine to use that when writing a file.  I don't think this is a bug at
>all, but rather a plausible feature of the design of Pine.  You could
>always reset your umask before starting Pine.

	I don't believe the original poster classified writing the
checkpoint file as a bug.

	It is certainly *not* reasonable for any program which should
have security in mind to simply use whatever is set as the umask when
writing files.

	It is unreasonable to suggest that every program being run
have as part of its instructions, "remember to set your umask to XX
and and then set it back to what you want for other operations".

	Ed


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brombee@worldnet.att.net (The Brombergs):
> Does anyone know how I can create my own webpage????

We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you.  HTH.

Sven

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The script that was presented doesn't make tons of sense to me.  Why not
just have a script (or alias) called 'mypine' (or whatever) that does the
umask then runs pine?  The umask doesn't (AFAIK or could imagine) carry
back to the shell that this was invoked from. 

</chris>

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 presents good lectures, and creates interest in the subject.  I
 hope my comments don't hurt his chances of getting tenure."


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No, there is not. (Pine does automatic checkpointing of state changes back
to the mail file.)

You can open a folder read-only with the -o flag, in which case it will be
untouched.

-teg

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Ken DeLay wrote:

> I checked the Faq but didn't see an answer.
> 
> Is there a way to exit PINE without it saving changes
> such as which messages were read and leaving the inbox
> intact before the PINE access?
> 


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schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) writes:

> I worked around this by adding
>	user-domain=turing.physik.tu-berlin.de
> to /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. However, it's clear that this is not the way
> it ought to be.

That's true, but unfortunately you're caught in the crossfire between
the University of Washington and Solaris.  Solaris has weird and
poorly documented ways of setting and using the domain name(s) of a
host, and these methods have several nasty properties.  For example:

* There is no simple and reliable programmatic way of obtaining the
current host's mail domain name(s).  Programs that need this domain
name adopt a variety of weird strategies to do it.  The most reliable
way is to have a configuration file as shown above, so that you don't
have to worry about Solaris brain damage.

* Hosts can be in more than one domain.  The NIS+ domain name is
not necessarily the same as the DNS domain name (and if you know why
this should be so then you know more than most Solaris system
administrators :-).  And a host can be in more than one DNS domain
(see e.g. the `search' directive in resolv.conf -- oops, sorry, that's
not documented either).

* If you send mail to the current host using the normal mail tools
supplied with Solaris, your resulting mailbox won't conform to RFC 822,
because it won't have proper domains in the mail headers.

The U of W folks's attitude towards this sort of thing is ``Solaris is
broken -- fix it and then use pine''.  To some extent I'm sympathetic.
Unfortunately, you'll have to do some nontrivial sendmail configuration
file hacking to make the U of W folks happy.

If I were you, I'd quit while you're ahead.

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     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
       documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

     - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
       also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
       (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
       folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]
    

The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived.  These archives
can be accessed:

     - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
       http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
       (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
        on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

     - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
       MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and 
       choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL: 

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ 
  or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Apr 13 03:00:28 PDT 1997

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  Pine development and support team
  University of Washington        
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On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
> > 
> > > IMAP, (ooh! I might get this wrong, and I hate that! Internet Mail Access
> > > Protocol, I hope!),
> > 
> > IMAP used to stand for Internet Mail Access Protocol, but that has
> > been changed to Internet Message Access Protocol in the most recent
> > revisions, since it is quite capable of handling other sorts of
> > messages that just mail (e.g. news). 
> 
> Well, ok. At least I'm not way off. Now the question, then, is do news
> servers support IMAP?

Some do, but I don't think it is common yet.  I think some of the
newer servers are providing combined services...

-- 
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Perhaps more to the point: there are some very popular IMAP servers (e.g.
UW's and CMU's) that can be configured to export news via IMAP.

-teg

On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:
> > 
> > > On 10 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
> > > 
> > > > IMAP, (ooh! I might get this wrong, and I hate that! Internet Mail Access
> > > > Protocol, I hope!),
> > > 
> > > IMAP used to stand for Internet Mail Access Protocol, but that has
> > > been changed to Internet Message Access Protocol in the most recent
> > > revisions, since it is quite capable of handling other sorts of
> > > messages that just mail (e.g. news). 
> > 
> > Well, ok. At least I'm not way off. Now the question, then, is do news
> > servers support IMAP?
> 
> Some do, but I don't think it is common yet.  I think some of the
> newer servers are providing combined services...
> 
> -- 
> David L. Miller <dlm@cac.washington.edu> | Whether you think that you can, or
> Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | that you can't, you are usually
> Box 354841, University of Washington     | right. -- Henry Ford
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA  |
> Phone: (206)685-6240  FAX: (206)685-4045 |
> 
> 


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Anybody knows why I can't select any messages, I just get:

  [Command ";" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

I'm running many version of pine under Solaris 2.51

Could it be the mailcap definition ?

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On 13 Apr 1997, Martin Morey wrote:

> Anybody knows why I can't select any messages, I just get:
> 
>   [Command ";" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

    ";" invokes what are aggregate commands.  Before you can use ";"
you must first enable it in your personal configuration.  If you don't,
Pine will give you the error message.  (I personally have never
understood why this is even a configurable option.)

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Eigil Krogh Sorensen (eks@aar-vki.dk) wrote:
: Does a version of IMAP4D, that can be installed on a SCO 5 system,
: exsist somewhere  ?

Yes, at least a beta version does.  See
ftp://ftp.celestial.com/pub/sco-ports/unix_3_2v5/imap-4.BETA.tar.gz

I've downloaded it and tested it with one of the Netscape Communicator
preview releases (PR2, I believe).  It seems to work for me.

: Can Pine 3.96 (both PC and UNIX version) communicate with an IMAP4
: server ?

I don't know the answer to this one, but I'd check with
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software to find out.  Good luck!

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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:53:30 -0400, John Heyer <pmzd@shark.co.iup.edu> wrote:
>I'm running Pine under Linux and using it as an IMAP client.  One
>thing that bothers me is that logging in is a real pain, because my
>username on the remote account is different from local account.  Also, it
>makes me log in twice - once when I list my folders, once when I read a
>folder on the remote machine.  Is there any way to automate the login
>process or at least have it remember my username on the remote machine?  

Well you can have pine remember your username, at least, for each remote
folder. in your .pinerc file, where you've set up the remote folders, for the
remote host, add in a /user=userid switch, so it will look something like:

label {host.domain/user=userid} folder

Doesn't remember passwords, though, and you don't want it to...

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We have Pine on our Unix box with Imap turned on and from my
PC at home I can access my Inbox from the Unix box, but what I want
is also to have access to my sent-mail file on my Unix account.
I went into Setup/Config and changed default-fcc to {alpha6.drake.edu}
mail/sent-mail, but that didn't work.  My sent-mail file is in
the mail directory.
	Anybody have any ideas?
	Thanks in advance.
	Terry Asher

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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:
> > One thing that should be part of this is better support for Fcc.  I have a
> > folder for each person I correspond with, but some people have several
> > email addresses.  If the username is different, this means i have to mung
> > through more than one box to find the correspondance for an individual. 
> > This is a bother.  So, it should be possible to define "alternative
> > addresses" for someone so that replies can be Fcc'ed properly.  Mailing
> > lists that change their name or maintain multiple 'inputs' would also be
> > helped by this.
> 
> I think you can do what you want using the Fcc field in the
> addressbook. 

Actually, no.  Even if I set up 'dummy' addresses for people it won't work
when I try to save the message.  This also fails for some cases when
replying since you may want to reply to where the person emailed from even
if that username isn't their 'primary' one.

> > SCRIPTABLE: It'd be so cool if I could use pine from a script without
> > having to use expect (or the appropriate perl equivalent).
> 
> Why?  What could you do with a scripted Pine that wouldn't be just as
> easy with a perl/ksh/awk script?  The only thing I have found that I
> really need better Pine scripting for is testing Pine itself ;-)

Send to an alias, automatically save in the proper folder, etc.  If I made
those functions from pine into some sort of library that could be linked
from pine, that'd be nice.

A classic example of this is when trying to have a CGI email a bunch of
people.  I /will/ remember to change the pine alias for an individual when
their email address changes, but I may well forget to change the email
addresses in all their CGI scripts.  If I could use pine from a script
(which would pick up on aliases) then it wouldn't be a problem.  I'd
change it in one place and all would be well.

</chris>

"He is one of the best teachers I have had... He is well-organized,
 presents good lectures, and creates interest in the subject.  I
 hope my comments don't hurt his chances of getting tenure."

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I have been using Pine to read newsgroups.  For the past 3 weeks when
I try to access comp..mail.pine I get a message "[No state for newsgroup
comp.mail.pine, reading as new.]". It then proceeds to acces the newsgroup
but there never are any messages. Other newsgroups seem to be ok.
Does anyone know what is happening? 

Please respond to my E-mail address since I do not seem to be able to get
messages in the newsgroup.
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> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> 
> >   >The problem is that it creates this file according to my umask! :( I have
> >   >my umask set to 022
> > 
> > KeWL... Since you know how to do it, why don't you go ahead and set it to
> > .077 generally? Your .<shell>rc would seem a good place for that ;->
> 
> 	I believe you are missing the point.
> 
> 	A mail UA should have security in mind.  Thus, it should have the
> where-with-all to ensure that any of the files it creates (or programs
> called on its behalf create) have the proper access rights to provide the
> level of security one would expect from a UA.
> 

amen

> >   >, that means while I'm composing my lengthy message on the, everybody can
> >   >read the message I'm sending! This is what I thought of:
> >   >1) Write a front-end script that will set my umask to 077
> >   >   when I enter pine, and 022 when I exist.
> > 
> > A "front-end script"? Woah! Can I have one, too? (BTW, I've never thought of
> > pine as part of VR)
> 
> 	It isn't polite to make mock of a proposed work-around to a bug
> or even a preceived bug.  
> 
> 	If you like chocolate milk on your corn flakes and others made
> fun of it....how would you feel?
> 

amen

> >   >2) Hack the source, so it will set the right permission when it
> >   >   creates the file #pico12345#
> >   >I'ld probably think the second solution would be the best (if not the
> >   >first).
> >   
> > K. Hack it, make a patch, submit it --- done. What's all the fuzz about,
> > anyway? Pico sucks, almost everyone agrees on that, especially Sven "vim"
> > Guckes and Robin "Joe" Socha >:-> If you want to use pine "professionally",
> > you'll probably need another editor, anyhow. You've got emacs as your
> > alternate editor --- set it up to store the tmp files in a "secure"
> > directory...
> > 
> > AND...
> > Even if it had been a bug, submitting the report to the list first
> > doesn't seem the best option imnsho. Ever tried M(ain), B (Report Bug)?
> 
> 	So, you think all problems should simply be sent in as a bug
> report and not discussed on this list?  Don't you think that is 
> counter productive?  I'd rather hear about what others have found and
> consider a bug than to have to find them all myself.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 
> 		Ed
> 

AMEN!

I have gotten so sick of reading Mr. Socha's flames... the little useful
information contained in his postings is almost not worth the hassle of 
trying to extract it from all of the "fuzz" surrounding it!


Sincerely,

Greg Shebert
Sys Admin
Univ. of Miami Dept. of Radiology


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I have sort of the same situation with PC-Pine..
I get this message:

Error not sending:  Host not found (#11004) smpt.whatever.com
(we have a smpt server)

inbox is


{mailhost.whatever.com}inbox

my default-fcc is set up just like yours...

I tried to go to imap and pine section at U of W
and use their suggested syntax...I can see all
my folders and manipulate them with ease..I just
can't send mail....

However, my unix account works just dandy if I
set it up as a remote.  Saves and sends mail
just great.

Help..

Kathleen

On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Asher's Gift World wrote:

> 
> We have Pine on our Unix box with Imap turned on and from my
> PC at home I can access my Inbox from the Unix box, but what I want
> is also to have access to my sent-mail file on my Unix account.
> I went into Setup/Config and changed default-fcc to {alpha6.drake.edu}
> mail/sent-mail, but that didn't work.  My sent-mail file is in
> the mail directory.
> 	Anybody have any ideas?
> 	Thanks in advance.
> 	Terry Asher
> 


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I think this is probably just eye/finger trouble.

The protocol is called "SMTP" (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), not "SMPT".

Therefore I suspect your server name should not be "smpt.whatever.com" but
instead "smtp.whatever.com"

Check the "smtp-server" variable's value in your Pine Setup Configuration
screen (it's name should have given you a clue to the problem! :-)

Cheers,

-- 
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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Kathleen P. Daily-Herrman wrote:

> 
> I have sort of the same situation with PC-Pine..
> I get this message:
> 
> Error not sending:  Host not found (#11004) smpt.whatever.com
> (we have a smpt server)
> 
> inbox is
> 
> 
> {mailhost.whatever.com}inbox
> 
> my default-fcc is set up just like yours...
> 
> I tried to go to imap and pine section at U of W
> and use their suggested syntax...I can see all
> my folders and manipulate them with ease..I just
> can't send mail....
> 
> However, my unix account works just dandy if I
> set it up as a remote.  Saves and sends mail
> just great.
> 
> Help..
> 
> Kathleen
> 
> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Asher's Gift World wrote:
> 
> > 
> > We have Pine on our Unix box with Imap turned on and from my
> > PC at home I can access my Inbox from the Unix box, but what I want
> > is also to have access to my sent-mail file on my Unix account.
> > I went into Setup/Config and changed default-fcc to {alpha6.drake.edu}
> > mail/sent-mail, but that didn't work.  My sent-mail file is in
> > the mail directory.
> > 	Anybody have any ideas?
> > 	Thanks in advance.
> > 	Terry Asher
> > 
> 
> 


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I believe work has been underway to seperate the processing elements
of pine into seperate core modules and for a completely seperate user
interface section. Will this philosophy (sp?) be exteneded in way
similar to the Apache web server ? A clean API may enable 3rd parties
to develope modules to support different graphical user interfaces for
pine as well as the standard text interface or different security
modules or different file managament modules ? Does this seem possible
or worth while ?

--Sean



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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

> > Any success stories?
> Yes, put the attached script into a file and pipe the current message
> through it uncaptured. Standard format links appear in it as real links
> that can be saved or followed.
> 
> General idea is the script converts an ascii message into HTML.
> 

Well done. Script works great. Thanks for your assistance.

Jim


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  is there anyway to setup one "global" address book
 for the users of the shared unix system, so they can look each
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 It sounds possible?

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 email > infowerk@best.com


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On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:
> > INCOMING FOLDER CONTEXT: Different things should be settable on an folder
> > by folder basis.  I have all my mail forwarded to my main box and then
> > procmail'ed into a ton of incoming folders.  (This seems very common.) 
> > But when I respond to queries in one of my webmaster folders, the From: is
> > my address.  My main address already has too much stuff coming to it.
> > Reconfiguring for each reply isn't very practical.  If nothing else, it'd
> > be nice to be able to select from the alt-addresses already defined.  But
> > ideally signature, From:, saved-message directory, etc. should be able to
> > be overriden for a folder.
> 
> There is a script called sendit.sh in the contrib/utils directory of
> the current Pine distribution.  Using it as a starting point, you
> could write a script to post-process a message in pretty much any way
> you want.  Just configure sendmail-path to point to your script....

Will sendit.sh work with PC Pine for Windows 95 too?  

Thanks!
Nancy


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Gentlemen,

Would you please provide information on your fax to email
services (commercial purposes).

Thanks a lot and regards
Zaheer Karamali

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On 12 Apr 1997, infowerk wrote:

Hi, infowerk!

  >  is there anyway to setup one "global" address book for the users of the
  > shared unix system, so they can look each other up if they forgot
  > someones address or don't know it.
  > It sounds possible?

Sure does. As a first step, look up the variable "Global-Address-Book" in
the M(ain), S(etup), C(onfig) section of pine. F1 will get you a help for
that.

Further information can be looked up in the pine FAQ and also in the pine
tech-notes. Both are available from:

       Pine Information Center:  http://www.washington.edu/pine
       Source distribution: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
       Pine Technical Notes, included in the source distribution. C-Client
       messaging API library, included in the source distribution.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Robin

  Robin S. Socha	  | Bonner Talweg 56  | Tel:   +49 228 22217-8
  Political Science Dept. | 53113 Bonn        | Fax:   +49 228 22217-9
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       On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"  
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Thanks...I think this can be filed under
the category of "if she only had a brain"

I finally posted this question after working
with this software for obviously wayyyyy
too long..

cheers..

Kathleen

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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:57:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
To: "Kathleen P. Daily-Herrman" <kdh@goodnet.com>
Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: sent-mail on PC Pine

I think this is probably just eye/finger trouble.

The protocol is called "SMTP" (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), not "SMPT".

Therefore I suspect your server name should not be "smpt.whatever.com" but
instead "smtp.whatever.com"

Check the "smtp-server" variable's value in your Pine Setup Configuration
screen (it's name should have given you a clue to the problem! :-)

Cheers,

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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Kathleen P. Daily-Herrman wrote:

> 
> I have sort of the same situation with PC-Pine..
> I get this message:
> 
> Error not sending:  Host not found (#11004) smpt.whatever.com
> (we have a smpt server)
> 
> inbox is
> 
> 
> {mailhost.whatever.com}inbox
> 
> my default-fcc is set up just like yours...
> 
> I tried to go to imap and pine section at U of W
> and use their suggested syntax...I can see all
> my folders and manipulate them with ease..I just
> can't send mail....
> 
> However, my unix account works just dandy if I
> set it up as a remote.  Saves and sends mail
> just great.
> 
> Help..
> 
> Kathleen
> 
> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Asher's Gift World wrote:
> 
> > 
> > We have Pine on our Unix box with Imap turned on and from my
> > PC at home I can access my Inbox from the Unix box, but what I want
> > is also to have access to my sent-mail file on my Unix account.
> > I went into Setup/Config and changed default-fcc to {alpha6.drake.edu}
> > mail/sent-mail, but that didn't work.  My sent-mail file is in
> > the mail directory.
> > 	Anybody have any ideas?
> > 	Thanks in advance.
> > 	Terry Asher
> > 
> 
> 



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nancym@ii.com (Nancy McGough):
>  Sender: who really sent the message
>  From: who you want the message to APPEAR to be from
>  Reply-To: who responses should be sent to
> 
> It seems to me that any good mail client will support all three of
> these headers and that the Sender header should not be editable
> (to prevent forgery with this mail client) but both the From and
> Reply-To headers should be EASILY editable ON THE FLY.

mutt.  header editing.  http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/
I think you would love it, Nancy.  Then again, there is no PC version.

Sven

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Does anyone know how to use custom headers?  I have already tried this:

	content-type: text/enhanced; charset="iso-9959-1"

I would like to be able to have pine automatically set the content-type
field based on the mail content.  Short of that I am willing to put in a
customer header to force the content type to be set.

-- 
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Hello,
 Has some kind of standard been reached upon how MTAs are supposed to do
Delivery Status Notification (DSN)? I remember reading something about this a
few months back but didnt see any follow-ups on www.imc.org or anywhere else.

The 'Return-Receipt-To:' header works only with a small percentage of SMTP (or
otherwise) servers out there and thus is not at all reliable as a means for
finding out if your mail actually reached its intended destination.

There were a few proposals for standardizing on and implementing this out
there. What is going on with all this? Bottom-line: how can I *reliably* find
out if my mail has reached its destination?

Thanks,
Vikas


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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, MARLENE LAZO wrote:

> Is there anyone there who can let me know how to use haywire to chat to
> other people?  I have know idea on how to use this feature.  Do I have to
> be in Haywire at the same time my friends are?  Can I talk to anybody?
> Thanks.

    Sorry, wrong newsgroup to be asking.  This newsgroup is about Pine. 
A chat function has nothing to do with that.

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	I was just wondering if I could look at old letters that I had
written to people.  I didn't know if they were kept anywhere and I was
wondering if you knew how I could get to them.

Thank you very much,
Lorrie Maxwell.


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Pine support staff:
I want to set up a distribution list for a bunch of people I have in my
address book.  I read the Pine instructions which our computer lab gives
out, and it says there should be a "create list" command in my address
book.  There is not.  Is there a bug in my Pine?  Could you give me some
advice (concerning the address book only, please) as soon as possible?
Thanks.
--Josh Curnett
University of Colorado at Denver



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Vikas Agnihotri <vikas@insight.att.com> wrote:
> Bottom-line: how can I *reliably* find
> out if my mail has reached its destination?

If the recipient is willing to cooperate: Have him set up his local
delivery agent to generate return receipts for your messages. See, for
example, ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/pub/docs/RFCNRUDT. Return-Receipt-To
is the most widely supported form of this solution.

If the recipient is not willing to cooperate: You're out of luck. There
is no reliable method. Note in particular that DSN reliably tells you
_something_, but the something is almost always ``Sorry, no receipt.''

---Dan
Let your users manage their own mailing lists. http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html

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A quick Pine question ...

How can I do a group mailing to all on a list *without* having each
person's e-mail address show in the header?

I bet there's a simple solution but I haven't in the Help files yet ...



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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 maxwelll@SONOMA.EDU wrote:

Hi, Lorrie,

  >	I was just wondering if I could look at old letters that I had
  >written to people.  I didn't know if they were kept anywhere and I was
  >wondering if you knew how I could get to them.

Well, it depends... :-)

First, go to M(ain), S(etup), C(onfig) and check if you have this set:

	default-saved-msg-folder = 

Mine is ~/Mail/OLD/saved-messages, but yours might be something else...

Then check if this is set:

            [X]  save-will-not-delete
           
If so, your mail is still there. Goto the folder list, that's M(ain),
L(ist). There should be a file saved messages. Simply enter it and you're
there. Note: This is assuming that you're running a vanilla version of pine.
As I said, mine is set entirely differently, so if you can't find your mails
this way, come back later :-)

Cheers,
Robin

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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Josh Curnett wrote:

  >I want to set up a distribution list for a bunch of people I have in my
  >address book. I read the Pine instructions which our computer lab gives
  >out, and it says there should be a "create list" command in my address
  >book. There is not. Is there a bug in my Pine? Could you give me some
  >advice (concerning the address book only, please) as soon as possible?

There is no "create list" command in my docs, but there are basically two
things you might referring to:

a) list mode, so you can mail to several people on the fly:
	goto the address book and type l, then select the people you want.

b) Distribution lists:
	The docu on these is rather exhaustive, so you should get the
	original docs from the pine information centre:

		http://www.washington.edu/pine
	
	For now, here's a little something from the user guide:
	
	Lists in the Address Book
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------	
| Panel      1996 Conference Panel             DISTRIBUTION LIST:         |
|                                              abc@somewhere.edu          |
|                                              Ross                       |
|                                              niako@xyz.co.jp            |
|                                              heinz@math.uni-irgendwo.de |
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
	
	Pine allows you to create distribution list entries in the address
	book. These list entries usually contain two or more addresses,
	which can be either complete email addresses, or nicknames defined
	elsewhere in the Address Book. In the example at the top of this
	page, the distribution list named 1996 Conference Panel contains -
	in addition to three "fully qualified" email addresses -- the
	nickname Ross, which is defined in the first entry of that Address
	Book. You can use an address book list entry to manage a small
	distribution list. When sending out a message, you just enter the
	nickname of the list in the To:, Cc: or Bcc: fields, and Pine fills
	in all the addresses on the list.
        
        
And from the faq:
        
The address field takes one of two forms, depending on whether the entry is
a single (simple) address or a distribution list. For a simple entry, the
address field is the email-address part of the address, i.e., the part that
goes inside the brackets (<>). It is combined with the fullname field to
form the complete address. For a distribution list, the <address> is in the
format:
      
	"(" <address>, <address>, <address>, ... ")"
           
Unlike the simple entry case, each of the addresses in a list can be a full
RFC 822 address with fullname included, or it may be just the same as in the
simple case. This way you can have a list which includes the fullnames of
all the list members. In both the simple and list cases, addresses may also
be other nicknames which appear in this address book or in one of the other
address books. (Those nicknames are searched for by looking through the
address books in the order they appear in the address book screen, with the
first match winning.) Lists may be nested. If addresses refer to each other
in a loop this is detected and flagged. The address will be changed to "****
address loop ****".
                 
     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
   

This should get you going, right? :-)

Cheers,
Robin


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Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.pine: 14-Apr-97 Re: Posting to
newsgroups by Orjan Johansen@lie.matst 
> As far as I know, the NNTP-posting-host is usually not the nntp server 
> but rather the local machine that initially contacted the first real 
> nntp server - if the server is explicitly noted it is usually as an 
> NNTP-posting-server line instead. Looking further into the Path: line 
> of the original message I found

>From discussions I've had with tech support people since I wrote that
message, I've discovered that we don't have an NNTP server here.  It has
been requested in the past, but someone here said that there are certain
problems with NNTP which make CMU not want to install one.  I have no
idea what those problems might be.

The approach CMU uses to send messages to newsgroups seems to me a bit
of a kludge.  We send an e-mail message to address that looks like the
following:

outnews+netnews.comp.mail.pine@andrew.cmu.edu

This makes it harder to reply to newsgroup messages from within Pine
than it should be.  I have to use one proprietary CMU e-mail program to
post to newsgroups, and Pine to write e-mail messages.  (We're in the
middle of switching from the proprietary Andrew Message System to a
more-open IMAP-based system.)

Can someone suggest a way for me to get around Pine's NNTP-server
requirement?  Ideally, whenever I would reply to a newsgroup message,
Pine would add an address of the form listed above to the "To:" line,
and would then delete the newsgroup from the "Newsgrps:" line.  Is this
possible?

Thanks for your help.

--Steve

Stephen R. Laniel                 |    "I was born not knowing and
Carnegie Mellon University        |     have only had a little time to
laniel@cmu.edu                    |     change that here and there."
www.andrew.cmu.edu/~laniel        |               --Richard Feynman


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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Joel Snyder wrote:

  >A quick Pine question ...

And a Frequently Asked Question, too :-)

  >How can I do a group mailing to all on a list *without* having each
  >person's e-mail address show in the header?

Say R(ich headers) and use the bcc (blind carbon copy) field.

  >I bet there's a simple solution but I haven't in the Help files yet ...

Yes, you do. You should read the FAQ, too >:->

Later,
Robin

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Is there any way to make pine auto forward to another pop acct?
Thanks.


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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Bobby Hodges wrote:
> Is there any way to make pine auto forward to another pop acct?

No.  And there shouldn't be.  Use .forward or procmail.

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On 14 Apr 1997 12:05:59 GMT, Sven Guckes <guckes@maddison.math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>crom@localhost.localdomain (you-know-who-you-are):
>> Robin S Socha (uzs8kb@uni-bonn.de) flamed: [...]
>> I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
>> examples of humanity to my kids. You're a punk who's mother and father
>> should have bent you over thier knees for a hard spanking whenever you came
>> up with your stupidity and dis-respect. They obviously were bad parents
>> who didn't do their jobs well, and you're a dis-respectful little brat.

>  I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
>  examples of a broken Pine setup to other Pine users. etc etc

>Don't bother posting before you have learnt how to configure Pine correctly,
>Mrs "crom@localhost.localdomain".  Followup-To: alt.mail.users.pine.and.whine

Well, from the Mesage-Id: header, it is apparent that
crom@localhost.localdomain has NOT used PINE to post this to Usenet. Unless of
course, there is a way to have Pine NOT generate the Message-Id: header, but I
would think that involves some serious hacking with Pine/sendmail, etc.

So given that, your admonition about 'configure Pine correctly' is really
quite uncalled for. Or didnt you see the Message-Id: header before you blasted
off? 

Guys, please. Lets have some more tolerance here for the newbies. If you do
want to flame someone, do it by private email, thus displaying the fact that
YOU are not a newbie. 

For the record, I too, didnt like Robin's strong tone and thought it was
downright rude and insulting

Vikas

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On 14 Apr 1997, Vikas Agnihotri wrote:

Either this is a misquote, or someone forged my header. Note that I'm using
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  >On 14 Apr 1997 12:05:59 GMT, Sven Guckes <guckes@maddison.math.fu-berlin.de>
  > wrote:
  >>crom@localhost.localdomain (you-know-who-you-are):
  >>> Robin S Socha (uzs8kb@uni-bonn.de) flamed: [...]
  >>> I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
  >>> examples of humanity to my kids. You're a punk who's mother and father
  >>> should have bent you over thier knees for a hard spanking whenever you came
  >>> up with your stupidity and dis-respect. They obviously were bad parents
  >>> who didn't do their jobs well, and you're a dis-respectful little brat.
  >
  >>  I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
  >>  examples of a broken Pine setup to other Pine users. etc etc
  >
  >>Don't bother posting before you have learnt how to configure Pine correctly,
  >>Mrs "crom@localhost.localdomain".  Followup-To: alt.mail.users.pine.and.whine
  >
  >Well, from the Mesage-Id: header, it is apparent that
  >crom@localhost.localdomain has NOT used PINE to post this to Usenet. Unless of
  >course, there is a way to have Pine NOT generate the Message-Id: header, but I
  >would think that involves some serious hacking with Pine/sendmail, etc.
  >
  >So given that, your admonition about 'configure Pine correctly' is really
  >quite uncalled for. Or didnt you see the Message-Id: header before you blasted
  >off?
  >
  >Guys, please. Lets have some more tolerance here for the newbies. If you do
  >want to flame someone, do it by private email, thus displaying the fact that
  >YOU are not a newbie.
  >
  >For the record, I too, didnt like Robin's strong tone and thought it was
  >downright rude and insulting
  >
  >Vikas
  >

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>Stephen Richard Laniel <laniel@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>
>>No one at this university seems to know what its NNTP server is. 
>
>According to your message, the NNTP posting host at cmu is po9.andrew.cmu.edu,
>however that machine does not seem to accept NNTP connections from the
>outside, (nor do any of the others I was able to identify to try and help with
>this).

As far as I know, the NNTP-posting-host is usually not the nntp server 
but rather the local machine that initially contacted the first real 
nntp server - if the server is explicitly noted it is usually as an 
NNTP-posting-server line instead. Looking further into the Path: line 
of the original message I found

nntp.sei.cmu.edu

which looks promising.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:

> 
[snip]
> I do WANT people to read files *I* create, but I do *NOT* want them to 
> read my mail! I *DO WANT* my umask to be 022.
> 
> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Glynn, Chadwick wrote:
> >
> > 	Again, this is *not* a bug in pine.
> 
> Yes, when people can read your personal stuff, then that's a bug.
> Have you noticed (even when setting your umask to 000), when you first 
> invoke pine, it'll create a ~/mail directory with permisson 700 ??!
> Now you've got to tell me, one of them has to be a bug.
> 
> Hussam
> 

	I really cannot believe where this thread has lead to. I can't 
believe you call yourselves professionals with all this nonsense. 

	Mr Qasem stated that because pine does not automatically make its 
pico files readable only to its creator, it must be a bug. Hopefully all 
of us can agree this is not programming bug (which causes internal 
errors, crashes, and fuzzy warm stuff like that). Security bug? No, it 
this isn't either. 

	Why? 

	Well, everyone *should* know that there is no such thing as foolproof 
security, and that every user has a responsibilty of their own security. 
Clearly, most of the people here don't realize that. Applications can only 
assume so much about the individuals responsiblty of security. The user 
can't assume every application is going to take care of their security 
for them, but obviously most of you here do that. 

	Ok, so if this is not a programming bug or a security bug, then 
what is it? I would call this a "preferental" bug because this does not 
effect everyone on the same platform. It does not effect me, but it does 
effect people with a conflicting security ideology.  

	Let me review the background again... Mr Qasem has a umask of 22 
because he wants people to read his files, yet he is having a hissy fit 
because pine refers to the umask when is creates a file when he is 
composing a long email. This is *not* a good security stance at all. Its 
very conflicting. 

	Mr Qasem, the only two reasons I could come up with why you would 
want people to read all of your email was because you are sharing 
educational-related file (you are a student or instructor at indiana 
university) or you have files for your web page. If the files are 
education related, put them on your systems shared directory, which is 
usually /usr/share (which any competent adminstrator at a institution 
should have set up, and willing to assist you). If the files are for a 
web page, the standard is to put them in a sub directory (bus_html, etc) 
off of your home directory with the directory and its files the only 
files around with 755 permissions. Either way, you would need to change 
your umask. If the files dont fall in either two of these categories, 
then find another solution, which includes changing your umask. 

	I talked this over with a friend, who is more of a security and 
unix expert than I, and he thinks the same. You don't want to hear what 
he tought of some of responses on this thread. :)

	In other words, I'm behind Robin. From watching this list for a 
number of months, Robin is clearly competent in the field.

			Chad

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Does anybody know if (and how) you setup pine so the email is
automatically fowarded to another email address?

Keeping up with two email addresses is becoming quite annoying, although
the the second email is unavoidable in my situation.

Please help!!

PS  I've already spent a considerable amount of time reading up on
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thanks,
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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Glynn, Chadwick wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> > Yes, when people can read your personal stuff, then that's a bug.
> > Have you noticed (even when setting your umask to 000), when you first 
> > invoke pine, it'll create a ~/mail directory with permisson 700 ??!
> > Now you've got to tell me, one of them has to be a bug.
> 
> 	I really cannot believe where this thread has lead to. I can't 
> believe you call yourselves professionals with all this nonsense. 

Given that you're ignoring a valid user complaint we can reasonably place
you in the category of 'computer professional'.

> 	Mr Qasem stated that because pine does not automatically make
> its pico files readable only to its creator, it must be a bug. Hopefully
> all of us can agree this is not programming bug (which causes internal
> errors, crashes, and fuzzy warm stuff like that). Security bug? No, it
> this isn't either.

Actually it is both.  The program should be consistant wherever possible.

> 	Well, everyone *should* know that there is no such thing as
> foolproof security, and that every user has a responsibilty of their own
> security.  Clearly, most of the people here don't realize that.
> Applications can only assume so much about the individuals responsiblty
> of security. The user can't assume every application is going to take
> care of their security for them, but obviously most of you here do that.

That's WAY off base.  I DON'T assume every application is going to take
care of security for me.  That's why I read the source code for many
things.  Pine hasn't been one of them because I've found it to be rather
consistant and unbroken.  That applications "can only assume so much" is
not being violated by the perception many of us have about whether this is
a bug or not.  Pine already assumes "so much" in creating the mail
directory.  It should do this for other temporary files as well.

> 	Ok, so if this is not a programming bug or a security bug, then
> what is it? I would call this a "preferental" bug because this does not
> effect everyone on the same platform. It does not effect me, but it does
> effect people with a conflicting security ideology. 

If its a 'preference' bug (which its not) then the behaviour should be
controllable and optional.

> 	Let me review the background again... Mr Qasem has a umask of 22
> because he wants people to read his files, yet he is having a hissy fit
> because pine refers to the umask when is creates a file when he is
> composing a long email. This is *not* a good security stance at all. Its
> very conflicting.

No.  Email is often vastly more private than the rest of what I do.  I can
always change the permissions on a specific directory to protect something
if necessary.

</chris>

"He is one of the best teachers I have had... He is well-organized,
 presents good lectures, and creates interest in the subject.  I
 hope my comments don't hurt his chances of getting tenure."


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Anyway, I think that you're due back in boystown, better get a move on,
sonny.

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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Glynn, Chadwick wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> 
> > I do WANT people to read files *I* create, but I do *NOT* want them to 
> > read my mail! I *DO WANT* my umask to be 022.
> 
> 	I really cannot believe where this thread has lead to. I can't 
> believe you call yourselves professionals with all this nonsense. 

I didn't call myself a professional. I'm learning, and will always be. 
And that is *why* I posted to the forum in the first place.

> 	Mr Qasem stated that because pine does not automatically make its 
> pico files readable only to its creator, it must be a bug. Hopefully all 
> of us can agree this is not programming bug (which causes internal 
> errors, crashes, and fuzzy warm stuff like that). Security bug? No, it 
> this isn't either. 

Ok, well, I apologize for putting it in the wrong "bug" category. Maybe I 
should've stated: it's a Bad Thing (tm).

> 	Well, everyone *should* know that there is no such thing as foolproof 
> security, and that every user has a responsibilty of their own security. 
> Clearly, most of the people here don't realize that. Applications can only 
> assume so much about the individuals responsiblty of security. The user 
> can't assume every application is going to take care of their security 
> for them, but obviously most of you here do that. 

I agree with you, but this is a "mailing" program, and it should preserve 
that while I'm reading, composing, deleting, my mail, nobody should read 
my mail.

> 	Let me review the background again... Mr Qasem has a umask of 22 
> because he wants people to read his files, yet he is having a hissy fit 
> because pine refers to the umask when is creates a file when he is 
> composing a long email.

That's right, I want to people read my files, not my mail.

> 	Mr Qasem, the only two reasons I could come up with why you would 
> want people to read all of your email was because you are sharing 
> educational-related file (you are a student or instructor at indiana 
> university) or you have files for your web page. 

Again, I don't want them to read my mail. Anything I'ld like to share 
with other people, is put in a directory with the right permission. (That 
includes my web page). But again, I do not want them to read my mail.
Perhaps I was mailing a student his grade, perhaps I was writing a test, 
I do not want people to read my mail.

Let me give you an outline of my problem again:
1) I want my umask to be 022
2) I do not want people to read my _mail_
3) Pine makes people read my mail!!

Here's the best solution I found (so far):
+--------------------------------
| alias   pine    (umask 022; pine)

> 	In other words, I'm behind Robin. From watching this list for a 
> number of months, Robin is clearly competent in the field.

I'm sure he is... Ok, how about forget about the first part of my 
message, and reply to my other questions? ;)
I had question about how to make new versions of Pine scroll page by 
page, rather than line by line when I reach the end/beginning of a page.

Thanks again for all of those who have responded.

Hussam :)

-- Hussam Husain Qasem                                 +--+/|
-- hqasem@indiana.edu                                  |  | |
-- http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~hqasem/                  +--+/ 



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[At great personal risk he dares to contradict Robin!]

Hi, Lorrie -

What Robin describes in his reply (included below) isn't, I think, what
you're actually looking for.

The "default-saved-msg-folder" he refers to is simply a folder that _you_
can save copies of messages you _receive_ into.  In particular when you
give the Save (S) command it is the folder offered to you by default to
save the message into.  (You can, of course, pick another one if you wish;
this is just the one offered as the default choice.)

In actual fact I think you were asking about referring back to copies of
messages you have written and _sent_ to others?  If so, then this is quite
a different thing...

Most mail programs don't keep a copy of messages sent out through them
unless specifically told to do so.  However the default for Pine _is_, if
memory serves, to keep a copy.  However it may be that the Systems Manager
of your computers has changed the default so copies are _not_ kept, in
order to conserve disk space.

Here's how to check...

*  Go to Pine's Setup Configuration screen by typing S then C at the Main
   Menu.

*  Look for a variable called "default-fcc".  If this is set to a folder
   name (typically "sent-mail" for UNIX versions of Pine, or "sentmail"
   for PC-Pine) then the chances are copies of your outgoing messages have
   been kept.

*  Leave the Setup Configuration screen by giving the Exit (E) command.

*  Now look at the Folder List screen (by giving the L command) and look
   for a folder with the name you saw against default-fcc.  Highlight the
   folder and open it by pressing Return.

"Fcc" stands for File Carbon Copy, and is used to File a (Carbon) Copy of
every message you send out.  (There are ways of overriding this folder,
but if you haven't been aware of it, you won't have done so.)

If you have the default-fcc variable set up then the first time you use
Pine each month it will offer to rename your current "sent-mail" folder
and start a new one.  The old one will be renamed to include the month and
year.  If you had any previous months' sent-mail folders around Pine will
offer to delete them in order to save disk space.

Cheers,

-- 
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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

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> 
> On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 maxwelll@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
> 
> Hi, Lorrie,
> 
>   >	I was just wondering if I could look at old letters that I had
>   >written to people.  I didn't know if they were kept anywhere and I was
>   >wondering if you knew how I could get to them.
> 
> Well, it depends... :-)
> 
> First, go to M(ain), S(etup), C(onfig) and check if you have this set:
> 
> 	default-saved-msg-folder = 
> 
> Mine is ~/Mail/OLD/saved-messages, but yours might be something else...
> 
> Then check if this is set:
> 
>             [X]  save-will-not-delete
>            
> If so, your mail is still there. Goto the folder list, that's M(ain),
> L(ist). There should be a file saved messages. Simply enter it and you're
> there. Note: This is assuming that you're running a vanilla version of pine.
> As I said, mine is set entirely differently, so if you can't find your mails
> this way, come back later :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Robin
> 
> - -----
> Robin S. Socha,
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The "Create List" command in Pine's Address Book stems from older versions
of Pine, to which I suspect your documentation refers.  In Pine 3.95 you
just use the A (AddNew) command and then list the e-mail addresses in the
appropriate field.  It will will spot there is more than one address, and
automatically make a distribution list out of them.

Alternatively you can use the TakeAddress command to take addresses out of
one message (or more if you select them with the Select command) and
make/add to a list in your Address Book.

I have a vague feeling that you may need the
"enable-aggregate-command-set" option turning on in the Setup
Configuration screen before you can see/use TakeAddress, however I may be
mis-remembering.

Cheers,

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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Josh Curnett wrote:

> Pine support staff:
> I want to set up a distribution list for a bunch of people I have in my
> address book.  I read the Pine instructions which our computer lab gives
> out, and it says there should be a "create list" command in my address
> book.  There is not.  Is there a bug in my Pine?  Could you give me some
> advice (concerning the address book only, please) as soon as possible?
> Thanks.
> --Josh Curnett
> University of Colorado at Denver


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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Joel Snyder wrote:
> 
>   >A quick Pine question ...
> 
> And a Frequently Asked Question, too :-)
> 
>   >How can I do a group mailing to all on a list *without* having each
>   >person's e-mail address show in the header?
> 
> Say R(ich headers) and use the bcc (blind carbon copy) field.

Ummm... That's actually ^R (Control/R), and must be typed with the cursor
on any of the headers of the message you're composing.  (If you type ^R
with the cursor in the Message Text area it instead does a "Read File".)

Use the Bcc header if you are typing in a list of e-mail addresses.
However if you are using a distribution list, and are using Pine 3.393 or
later, put the list's nickname into the Lcc field instead.

You can see further help about these fields by putting the cursor on them
and asking for help by giving the Get Help (^G) command.

Cheers,

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Hi -

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:

> I'm sure he is... Ok, how about forget about the first part of my 
> message, and reply to my other questions? ;)
> I had question about how to make new versions of Pine scroll page by 
> page, rather than line by line when I reach the end/beginning of a page.

Ummm... if you take a quick glance at the Command Menu at the bottom of
the screen whilst reading a message you'll see:

                                      vvvvvvvvvvvv
? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevMsg     - PrevPage    D Delete      R Reply
O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch  N NextMsg   Spc NextPage    U Undelete    F Forward
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^

(Feeble attempts at highlighting mine.)

In particular:

	- and SPACE	Move you by whole pages (screenfuls)

	Up and Down Arrows
or	^N and ^P	Move you through the message one line at a time

Incidentally, you may also like to check out the following in the Setup
Configuration screen:

	viewer-overlap           = <No Value Set: using "2">
	scroll-margin            = <No Value Set: using "1">

The former lets you set how much overlap there is between screenfuls when
you move between them using - and SPACE (the default is 2 lines).  The
latter lets you say how close to the top/bottom of the screen you must
drive the cursor with the Up/Down Arrow Keys before it scrolls.

Better information is available in the on-line help for these: just put
your cursor on one of them and give the Get Help (^G) command.

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On 14 Apr 1997 23:46:40 GMT, D. J. Bernstein <djb@koobera.math.uic.edu> wrote:
>Vikas Agnihotri <vikas@insight.att.com> wrote:
>> Bottom-line: how can I *reliably* find
>> out if my mail has reached its destination?

>If the recipient is willing to cooperate: Have him set up his local
>delivery agent to generate return receipts for your messages. See, for

That is unrealistic. Do you seriously expect a person to get in touch with al
the potential recipients of Email and find out if their Email system supports
the Return-Receipt-To: header? Thats the whole point of a standard, right?
something that all (most ?) systems support implicitly, without anyone having
to take pains about it!

>example, ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/pub/docs/RFCNRUDT. Return-Receipt-To
>is the most widely supported form of this solution.

Not in my experience. I would say that only about 50% or less mails I send out
come back with the Return-Receipt.


>If the recipient is not willing to cooperate: You're out of luck. There
>is no reliable method. Note in particular that DSN reliably tells you
>_something_, but the something is almost always ``Sorry, no receipt.''

Well, wouldnt that suffice? If I get back some mail from the remote system,
even if it says 'No receipt', it is in response to my mail to that system so I
know that my mail has reached and that was my intent in the first place! Sort
of like  asking someone 'Are you asleep?' :). You get the point.

Do you know if the IMC or any other Internet standards body is working on
something to standardize on this isue so that one can reliably get a Receipt
to a email? 

As email is becoming a more mainstream form of communication, it
has to have these reliability features.

Regards,
Vikas



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References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970412000047.24576A-200000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> <Pine.LNX.3.95.970412172345.4271A-100000@sushi.uni-bonn.de> <E8LCJ2.BBK@eskimo.com>
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crom@localhost.localdomain (you-know-who-you-are):
> Robin S Socha (uzs8kb@uni-bonn.de) flamed: [...]
> I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
> examples of humanity to my kids. You're a punk who's mother and father
> should have bent you over thier knees for a hard spanking whenever you came
> up with your stupidity and dis-respect. They obviously were bad parents
> who didn't do their jobs well, and you're a dis-respectful little brat.

  I'm sure glad that there's people like you around that I can use as bad
  examples of a broken Pine setup to other Pine users. etc etc

Don't bother posting before you have learnt how to configure Pine correctly,
Mrs "crom@localhost.localdomain".  Followup-To: alt.mail.users.pine.and.whine

Sven

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Hi all:
	I want to compile lastest version of pine on my Ultra-1 (sun)
running solaris 2.5.1 with gcc-2.7.2, with the build shell pilot, pico,
imapd, and other are build but not pine. When I type build gso I get this:

echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c echo "char
hoststamp[]="\"`uname -n`\"";" >> date.c gcc -g -DDEBUG -DSV4 -ansi -DANSI
-DSYSTYPE=\"GSO\" -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o
filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o
mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o reply.o screen.o
send.o signals.o status.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.c
../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl -lgen
Undefined first referenced symbol in file quotactl os.o ld: fatal: Symbol
referencing errors. 
No output written to pine make: 
*** [pine] Error 1


Can anybody with me some help!

TIA,
Best Regards

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Chadwick Glynn wrote (Mon, Apr 14th)...

> 
> 	Well, everyone *should* know that there is no such thing as foolproof 
> security, and that every user has a responsibilty of their own security. 
> Clearly, most of the people here don't realize that. Applications can only 
> assume so much about the individuals responsiblty of security. The user 
> can't assume every application is going to take care of their security 
> for them, but obviously most of you here do that. 
> 

so if i administer a site with 5000 users i should rely on them to provide
a secure mail system... no way! that is crazy! the whole idea of having
administration is to make the system safe and simple for the users...


> 
> 	I talked this over with a friend, who is more of a security and 
> unix expert than I, and he thinks the same. You don't want to hear what 
> he tought of some of responses on this thread. :)
> 

granted... some of the responses to this thread have been way off the
topic (including mine)... but this is a security issue that should be 
addressed.


and please... lets try to focus on security from the angle of email...
security is a (understatement here) broad topic

> 	In other words, I'm behind Robin. From watching this list for a 
> number of months, Robin is clearly competent in the field.
> 
> 			Chad

agreed... but on this issue i guess i would be camping with Mr. Hicks 
and Mr. Qasem... i want my mail system to be as secure as possible... that
is my responsibility... not my users...

-greg

Greg Shebert
Sys Admin
Univ. of Miami Dept. of Radiology

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Is there anyone there who can let me know how to use haywire to chat to
other people?  I have know idea on how to use this feature.  Do I have to
be in Haywire at the same time my friends are?  Can I talk to anybody?
Thanks.


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  If there's anyone out there that would like to write to a desperate,
lonely Earth creature,please write to me!
  Thank you for your time!
                                       
                                       Muresan Claudia        


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   The most
   
Frequently Asked Questions about Pine

  What documentation is available for Pine?
  
   The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
   online help. Additional documentation, including a User's Guide,
   Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, and information on where to
   obtain the software, can be accessed:
     * In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
       http://www.washington.edu/pine/
     * Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
       documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.
          + The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
            also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
            (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
            folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  Who should I ask for help with Pine?
  
   If you need assistance with Pine, contact the technical support staff
   or computer help desk of your Internet Service Provider, school,
   university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with
   the email account on which you are using Pine. Due to the large number
   of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot
   provide individual support services to Pine users at other
   organizations.
   
   You may also be able to find the answer to your question through the
   Pine Discussion Forum -- see http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
     * If you are posting a question to the Pine Discussion Forum but do
       not subscribe to it, request in your message that replies be sent
       directly to you, with a copy to the forum. (Conversely, if you are
       answering a question in the Pine Discussion Forum, be sure to
       include the inquirer's email address in your reply, since s/he may
       not be a subscriber and will otherwise not see your answer).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  Why does command X not work?
  
   Some of the Pine commands you may read or hear about have to be
   explicitly enabled in the SETUP CONFIGURATION menu, which is accessed
   from Pine's MAIN MENU, to be functional. For example, to be able to
   use the "Bounce" command, the following feature has to be checked:
     [X]  enable-bounce-cmd

   and to be able to use the "Select"/"Apply" operations, you must first
   check:
     [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  How can I filter messages into different incoming folders?
  
   Pine does not perform delivery filtering; that is the function of
   other programs, such as (on Unix hosts) "procmail" or "mailagent." For
   details on selection and configuration of such programs, see the
   Filtering Mail FAQ (by Nancy McGough) at one of the following
   locations:
   
   ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq
   http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
   faq.html
   ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
   
   Once you have successfully set up your delivery filtering, you will
   have new mail arriving in several different folders, in addition to
   your INBOX. You can then access these folders just like any other mail
   folder. You can also define a collection of incoming message folders
   in Pine, through which you can then TAB to read new messages. For more
   information, see Pine's internal help on the enable-incoming-folders
   feature in Pine's SETUP CONFIGURATION menu.
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  How do I define my own headers like Reply-To and Organization?
  
   From Pine's MAIN MENU, choose Setup, then Config. Move down to the
   customized-hdrs option and read the context-sensitive help screen.
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  Why does my message index show From: instead of To:?
  
   Applies to Pine for Unix only
   
   A number of Pine 3.95 users have reported seeing their own name,
   rather than the name of the recipient, in folder index listings of
   messages they have sent. This occurs when Pine detects the specific
   hostname of the computer on which it is running in the From: header.
   To avoid this from happening, set use-only-domain-name in Pine's SETUP
   CONFIGURATION menu to Yes; this strips the name of the specific host
   from your From: address. Alternatively, specify your domain name in
   user-domain (be sure you enter it correctly, otherwise all your
   outgoing messages will have an invalid return address! Ask your local
   computing support people if in doubt). When setting either of these
   options, also read the help screen for
   quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file to see whether you should enable that
   feature too.
   
   Administrators of systems where Pine exhibits this behavior should
   also check the /etc/hosts file for invalid entries; as an example, it
   should read:

  123.456.78.90   hostname.domain    hostname

   not just
  123.456.78.90   hostname

   -- otherwise, users' setting of use-only-domain-name to Yes will not
   have the intended effect.
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages?
  
   From Pine's MAIN MENU, choose Setup, then Signature. The text you
   enter in the SIGNATURE EDITOR (new in Pine 3.92) will be appended to
   all messages you compose.
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  How do I send a message to multiple recipients without showing all their
  names?
  
   In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers
   area, press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the context-sensitive
   help screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  How can someone without Pine decipher an attachment to a message I send?
  
   Pine uses the MIME Internet standard for attaching files to email
   messages. Any MIME-capable mailer should be able to "understand"
   Pine's attachments. If the recipient of your message with attachment
   does not have MIME-capable email software, they should be able to save
   the attachment to a file and then decode that. One freely-available
   program which can decipher a MIME attachment is munpack from Carnegie
   Mellon. It is available at:
   
   ftp://ftp.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/mpack
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
  Can Pine be used with a POP server?
  
   As of version 3.95, PC-Pine cannot be used with a POP (Post Office
   Protocol) server. Pine for Unix can be configured to access the
   message INBOX on a POP3 server using the folder definition syntax

        {pop3server/pop3}INBOX

   where pop3server is the hostname of the POP3 server. However, this
   method accesses the POP server in quasi-online mode, not in offline
   mode, which POP was designed for. Accessing the inbox on a POP3 server
   with Pine does not preserve changes to message flags (New, Answered,
   Deleted, etc.) between sessions.
   
   As an alternative, a program such as fetchmail (which supercedes
   popclient) can be used to download email from a POP server to a local
   Unix account, where it can then be accessed with Pine. fetchmail can
   be obtained from:
   http://locke.ccil.org:80/~esr/esr-freeware.html#fetchmail
   
   Note: support for the offline mode of email access (using either POP
   or IMAP) is planned for a future release of Pine and PC-Pine. For a
   more detailed comparison of the POP and IMAP protocols, see Message
   Access Paradigms and Protocols at the URL:
   http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.html
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   End of Pine Frequently Asked Questions - more questions & answers
   about Pine can be found at the URL:
   http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
   or
   ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   


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	Does Pine 3.95 have an Auto Responder?  Some code that will 
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response will specifically state that you are on vacation and will be
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	Thanks for your quick replies.
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i have the following:
modem:
sportstar winmodem (internal)
28.8 faxmodem for windows 
software:
quicklink ii  fax  win/dos 
 

i am using windows 3.1

my problem:

i have not been able to print any of my incoming/outgoing e-mail.

i have tried using "control Y", capturing text (as quicklink ii

recommends, and recommendations by other sources without success.

my printer is an hp deskjet 500.  if there is anyone out there

who can offer any help i certainly would appreciate it.

thank you.

menno diliberto      :helios.acomp.usf.edu


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On 8 Apr 1997, Jeff Moore wrote:

> I used to be subscribed to this list, is it still active??  How do I 
> resubscribe?  What is the current version of Pine?  Thanks!
The current version is 3.96


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I'm having printing problems with Win-pine 3.96 32-bit and the current
IMAP4.1 Beta.  Occasionally I will get the message: 

Error starting print job:  Can't start document.

If I go back to IMAP2 on my server, then the problem goes away.  I tried
setting:

preserve-start-stop-characters

but it didn't help.  Any suggestions?  This happens on any of my machines
running Win-pine.

Thanks,

Phil Allred
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Ever lose keyboard arrows after adding Microsoft Exchange capabilities to
a PC? Internet/email connected through local department lan. Ctrl B, F, P
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On 15 Apr 1997, Terry Asher wrote:

> 	Does Pine 3.95 have an Auto Responder?  Some code that will 
> automatically mail someone back a response if you are on vacation and the
> response will specifically state that you are on vacation and will be
> back on such and such a date.
> 	Thanks for your quick replies.
> 	Terry

PINE currently does not have an automatic response system, nor do I
believe one will be implemented (except for the highly proposed killfile
machanism).  Use "man vacation" to get details on setting up an automatic
response.  It's quite easy to set up and practically does it for you.  It
even tells you how to disable it when you return.

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On 15 Apr 1997, Terry Asher wrote:

  >	Does Pine 3.95 have an Auto Responder?  Some code that will
  >automatically mail someone back a response if you are on vacation and the
  >response will specifically state that you are on vacation and will be
  >back on such and such a date.
  >* UNIX Administrator & Web Master    | Yours through INTERNET,                *
      
Yes, I see... hmmm... Ok, being a UNIX Administrator, you should have your
system set with "apropos". Try saying

	apropos vacation

and you're there... 

vacation (1)         - reply to mail automatically

If you don't have vacation installed, you can use procmail with, e.g.,
ackmail.rc (to be got from an ftp server near you). Grepping the FAQ would
have told you that, too, btw.
- -- 
		      Robin Steven Socha

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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Menno Diliberto (OU) wrote:

  >software:
  >quicklink ii  fax  win/dos
  >i am using windows 3.1
  >my problem:

Your problem are the above two programs. Have you tried getting the FAQ for
pine? There is a lengthy passage about how to set up printers with PCs
running Dos. Here's the (at least I hope so... ;-) ) decisive part:

 1. Check For Software Flow-Control Problems
    A. Try enabling "preserve-start-stop-characters" (requires 3.91 or later)
    B. If that doesn't help, verify that the OS is enabling s/w flow
       control; if it isn't, you can either change that in a global
       .login script, or as a worst case, wrap pine in a script that does
       it.  By the way, on our AIX systems, we had to execute "stty -ixon"
       followed by "stty ixon" --no one here knows why the first stty
       is needed.  (Note that explicitly enabling s/w flow control in the OS
       will not be needed in 3.92 or later).
    C. If neither of the above apply, double-check that you actually have
       *some* kind of flow control enabled on your system, either hardware
       or software.
 2. Check Your Comm Software For Ansi Printing Capability
    A. After ruling out s/w flow control problems, if printing still
       doesn't work, the odds are that the PC or Mac comm s/w is at fault.
       I don't know how to determine this other than via trial-and-error
       and word-of-mouth.
    B. The "ansiprt" utility included in the pine distribution can also
       be used for testing.  It simply sends the specified text file to
       user's terminal device, bracketed with the ANSI escape sequences
       for print diversion.  This is just what Pine does as well (although
       some versions of ansiprt offer a few options not available via Pine.)
 3. Possible Other Printing Problems
    A. Printing via Pine's "attached-to-ansi" facility to a postscript-only
       printer.  Pine does not yet have the ability to encapsulate text
       into postscript, ala "enscript", so the custom print option using
       enscript and ansiprt will be needed in that case.
    B. Other printer-specific configuration problems.  For example,
       whether or not the printer needs a trailing formfeed to eject the
       last page, or a control-D, or non-Unix newline conventions, etc.
       Many of these problem will also require using the custom print
       command option and "ansiprt".


Hope that helps. BTW, your message looked kinda ugly. Either you're manually
inserting blanks lines or your line width is too high (i.e. exceeding the
recommended 75 characters). Don't :-)

  >i have not been able to print any of my incoming/outgoing e-mail.
  >i have tried using "control Y", capturing text (as quicklink ii
  >recommends, and recommendations by other sources without success.
  >my printer is an hp deskjet 500.  if there is anyone out there
  >who can offer any help i certainly would appreciate it.

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> ...the answer will depend on the communications software that you are
> using...  Kristi

Thanks for your suggestion. We're using EWAN software, emulation vt100.  I
checked the emulation, but didn't realize our tech person reloaded EWAN
from another machine when configuring Microsoft Exchange last night. 
Today the tech reloaded the latest EWAN version from ftp
helpdesk.ccit.arizona.edu and viola, arrows do their thing. Obviously, on
the first EWAN transfer, a file or two got lost.

Steve


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When I export a message instead of saving it, the technotes imply that I can
still properly read it with pine.  However, pine seems to missinterpret a
message that has been exported as shown if you put this attached sample into a
folder-collection.  It thinks that the from is my address and the subject is
the complete path of the message.  This is an interesting problem because both
elm and mailx handle it correctly.  Furthermore, it decides that the folder is
read-only.  Any ideas what might trigger this?

Adam Myrow


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                      : print-formfeed-between-messages
                      : quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
                      : reply-always-uses-reply-to
                      : show-cursor
                      : use-sender-not-x-sender
                      : enable-cruise-mode
                      : enable-cruise-mode-delete
                      : disable-keymenu
                      : enable-background-sending
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-unix-pipe-cmd
                      : compose-send-offers-first-filter
      customized-hdrs : Reply-To: $REPLYTO
             sort-key : OrderedSubj
               editor : emacs
 composer-wrap-column : 78
              printer : attached-to-ansi
 last-time-prune-ques : 97.4
    last-version-used : 3.96
      display-filters : _BEGINNING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ /afs/asu.edu/users/h/u/r/hurry/utils/pgpdecode -dontask
      sending-filters : /afs/asu.edu/users/h/u/r/hurry/utils/pgpsign
                      : /afs/asu.edu/users/h/u/r/hurry/utils/pgpencrypt _RECIPIENTS_
        alt-addresses : kc7jrl@asu.edu
                      : adam.myrow@asu.edu
       viewer-overlap : 1
       upload-command : kermit -r -a _FILE_
     download-command : sz -a
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
          user-domain : ${IMAPSERVER}
          smtp-server : localhost
          nntp-server : NEWS.ASU.EDU
           inbox-path : {${IMAPSERVER}:143}INBOX
   folder-collections : "IMAP Server" {${IMAPSERVER}:143}INBOX.[]
                      : "AFS" Mail/[]
     news-collections : "Netnews" *{NEWS.ASU.EDU/nntp}[]
          default-fcc : sentmail
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : Mail
       signature-file : .signature
  global-address-book : "ASU E-Mail Addresses" /afs/asu.edu/data/pine/public-address-book.txt
                      : "Student E-Mail Addresses (plus Phones, Colleges)" /afs/asu.edu/data/pine/pine-student.txt
                      : "Employee E-Mail Addresses (plus Phones, Departments)" /afs/asu.edu/data/pine/pine-employee.txt
         address-book : .addressbook
         feature-list : compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
                      : delete-skips-deleted
                      : enable-aggregate-command-set
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-bounce-cmd
                      : enable-flag-cmd
                      : enable-full-header-cmd
                      : enable-incoming-folders
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : enable-mail-check-cue
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : news-post-without-validation
                      : quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
                      : no-expanded-view-of-folders
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
               editor : vi
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : lpr
     standard-printer : lpr
        bugs-fullname : Electronic Messaging Consulting
         bugs-address : EMAIL-Q@ASU.EDU
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed) =======
          user-domain : ${IMAPSERVER}
           inbox-path : {${IMAPSERVER}:143}INBOX
         feature-list : disable-password-cmd
                      : disable-update-cmd
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-allow-talk
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
     auto-open-next-unread
  no-auto-zoom-after-select
  no-auto-unzoom-after-apply
  no-compose-cut-from-cursor
  no-compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
     compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
     compose-send-offers-first-filter
     compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
     delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-default-in-bug-report
  no-disable-busy-alarm
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
     disable-keymenu
     disable-password-cmd
     disable-update-cmd
  no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
  no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
  no-enable-8bit-nntp-posting
     enable-aggregate-command-set
     enable-alternate-editor-cmd
  no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
     enable-background-sending
     enable-bounce-cmd
     enable-cruise-mode
     enable-cruise-mode-delete
     enable-dot-files
     enable-dot-folders
     enable-flag-cmd
  no-enable-flag-screen-implicitly
     enable-full-header-cmd
     enable-goto-in-file-browser
     enable-incoming-folders
     enable-jump-shortcut
     enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-mouse-in-xterm
  no-enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
     enable-suspend
     enable-tab-completion
     enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-enable-verbose-smtp-posting
  no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
  no-expanded-view-of-folders
     expunge-without-confirm
  no-fcc-on-bounce
  no-include-attachments-in-reply
  no-include-header-in-reply
  no-include-text-in-reply
     news-approximates-new-status
     news-post-without-validation
     news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-pass-control-characters-as-is
     preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
  no-print-includes-from-line
  no-print-index-enabled
     print-formfeed-between-messages
     quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
  no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
  no-quell-status-message-beeping
     quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
     quit-without-confirm
     reply-always-uses-reply-to
  no-save-aggregates-copy-sequence
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
  no-save-will-not-delete
     save-will-advance
     select-without-confirm
     show-cursor
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
     signature-at-bottom
  no-single-column-folder-list
  no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
     use-current-dir
  no-use-function-keys
     use-sender-not-x-sender
  no-use-subshell-for-suspend
========== Latest keystrokes ==========
	RETURN	(0x000d)
	V	(0x0056)
	h	(0x0068)
	J	(0x004a)
	7	(0x0037)
	C	(0x0043)
	k	(0x006b)
	RETURN	(0x000d)
	b	(0x0062)
	ESC	(0x001b)
	[	(0x005b)
	B	(0x0042)
	RETURN	(0x000d)

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From: Hussam Husain Qasem <hqasem@indiana.edu>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.96
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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure he is... Ok, how about forget about the first part of my 
> > message, and reply to my other questions? ;)
> > I had question about how to make new versions of Pine scroll page by 
> > page, rather than line by line when I reach the end/beginning of a page.
> 
> Ummm... if you take a quick glance at the Command Menu at the bottom of
> the screen whilst reading a message you'll see:
> 
>                                       vvvvvvvvvvvv
> ? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevMsg     - PrevPage    D Delete      R Reply
> O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch  N NextMsg   Spc NextPage    U Undelete    F Forward
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> In particular:
> 
> 	- and SPACE	Move you by whole pages (screenfuls)
> 
> 	Up and Down Arrows
> or	^N and ^P	Move you through the message one line at a time

In older versions of Pine, when you reach the end/top of a page, the 
defaults was to scroll page by page when hitting ^N and ^P. Well, how can 
I change the new versions of Pine to behave that way. I'ld like to use 
the same key when I reach the bottom/top rather than hitting Space and '-'

Thanks again,

Hussam


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Subject: Converting PINE address book to Pegasus
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Can you advise me about the availablity (and location) of any utility 
to convert my (extensive) Pine Address book into a Pegasus Address 
book?

I've been moved from a UNIX account to an ISP, which doesn't support 
Pine, and would rather not re-type this large address list.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bob Lehman


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|... Bottom-line: how can I *reliably* find
|out if my mail has reached its destination?

This may sound facetious, or too low-tech for many, but if you really
need to know, the _most_ reliable way is to ask the person to let you
know that they received the mail, by phone if you don't trust mail.

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Dear Sir/Madam,
		I am mailing you to ask whether it is possible to alter
the pine system so that it will check for messages more frequently than it
already does. I have just begun using your system and am most impressed,
any help you can offer regarding my query would only heighten my
appreciation for the pine system.
			Yours sincerely,
                                        Patrick Gatland 

                   University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia.





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Hussam,
Please note that in the Index view, ^P and ^N behavior was changed in
order to provide a *choice*... Use P and N (no control) if you want the
page-at-a-time behavior.

-teg

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Hussam Husain Qasem wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm sure he is... Ok, how about forget about the first part of my 
> > > message, and reply to my other questions? ;)
> > > I had question about how to make new versions of Pine scroll page by 
> > > page, rather than line by line when I reach the end/beginning of a page.
> > 
> > Ummm... if you take a quick glance at the Command Menu at the bottom of
> > the screen whilst reading a message you'll see:
> > 
> >                                       vvvvvvvvvvvv
> > ? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevMsg     - PrevPage    D Delete      R Reply
> > O OTHER CMDS V ViewAttch  N NextMsg   Spc NextPage    U Undelete    F Forward
> >                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > In particular:
> > 
> > 	- and SPACE	Move you by whole pages (screenfuls)
> > 
> > 	Up and Down Arrows
> > or	^N and ^P	Move you through the message one line at a time
> 
> In older versions of Pine, when you reach the end/top of a page, the 
> defaults was to scroll page by page when hitting ^N and ^P. Well, how can 
> I change the new versions of Pine to behave that way. I'ld like to use 
> the same key when I reach the bottom/top rather than hitting Space and '-'
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Hussam
> 
> 


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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Terry Gray wrote:

> Hussam,
> Please note that in the Index view, ^P and ^N behavior was changed in
> order to provide a *choice*... Use P and N (no control) if you want the
> page-at-a-time behavior.

Great! That's exactly what I was looking for! :)

Thanks a lot!!

Hussam


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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Patrick Gatland wrote:

-> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:31:50 +1000 (EST)
-> From: Patrick Gatland <sigma.maths.unsw.EDU.AU!u2211218@ife-le.de>
-> To: Pine Discussion Forum <u.washington.edu!pine-info@ife-le.de>
-> Subject: A question concerning pine.
-> 
-> Dear Sir/Madam,
-> 		I am mailing you to ask whether it is possible to alter
-> the pine system so that it will check for messages more frequently than it
-> already does. I have just begun using your system and am most impressed,
-> any help you can offer regarding my query would only heighten my
-> appreciation for the pine system.
-> 			Yours sincerely,
->                                         Patrick Gatland 
-> 
->                    University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia.
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
Goto config-menu (with 'M', 'S', 'C'), and edit the value of the
mail-check-interval. If you want help type '?'.

Rudolf 
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[Yippee!  Someone else is getting this too besides us!]

We are having problems printing from PC-Pine 3.96 under Windows 95 to
networked printers: we _always_ get this error message. 

However it _will_ print to a locally attached inkjet printer OK.

Interestingly PC-Pine 3.92 and 3.95 both happily print to the networked
printers.  I wonder if there's been a problem in the build of 3.96?

Anyway, I submitted this as a bug report (ID KR15U) on March 24, but have
so far to hear anything back.  If I get anything I'll let you know.  (I
may send a reminder now.)

Cheers,

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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Phil Allred wrote:

> I'm having printing problems with Win-pine 3.96 32-bit and the current
> IMAP4.1 Beta.  Occasionally I will get the message: 
> 
> Error starting print job:  Can't start document.
> 
> If I go back to IMAP2 on my server, then the problem goes away.  I tried
> setting:
> 
> preserve-start-stop-characters
> 
> but it didn't help.  Any suggestions?  This happens on any of my machines
> running Win-pine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil Allred
> Director of Library Automation Systems
> South Texas College of Law
> Houston TX
> allred@stcl.edu
> 
> 




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Hi Sir!
Can u tell me how to build an e-mail bomb? 
Please send me an e-mail with a description not an e-mail bomb!!!
Sincerely urs,
FLO

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 FloSchau@aol.com wrote:

  >Hi Sir!

Hi, FLO!

  >Can u tell me how to build an e-mail bomb?
  >Please send me an e-mail with a description not an e-mail bomb!!!

Well, you're not talking to the right people here exactly. But I think that
mailbombs are *real* fun, too!!! So here's what to do:

You'll need a professional to help you with that. The best thing for you to
do is post a message to the following newsgroups :

	news.admin.net-abuse.announce
	news.admin.net-abuse.misc
        alt.2600
	alt.hackers

You see, they are professionals (admin means they're administrators) and
they spend a lot of time with little pranks like email-bombs (hence
"net-abuse"). They'll also tell you exactly how to have much more fun than
with mail-bombing only.

NOTE: Because many people hate those people, many mails and postings are
stopped before they arrive at the newsgroup, so to make sure that you reach
them, you should post more than one message, preferably 10 or even better
20. If you send them fast enough, the bad guys won't be able to stop them.

Hope that helps.

Sincerely,
Robin

- -----
Robin S. Socha,
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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I've even had it happen in locally attached inkjets, but it seems to be
more rare.

Phil

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> [Yippee!  Someone else is getting this too besides us!]
> 
> We are having problems printing from PC-Pine 3.96 under Windows 95 to
> networked printers: we _always_ get this error message. 
> 
> However it _will_ print to a locally attached inkjet printer OK.
> 
> Interestingly PC-Pine 3.92 and 3.95 both happily print to the networked
> printers.  I wonder if there's been a problem in the build of 3.96?
> 
> Anyway, I submitted this as a bug report (ID KR15U) on March 24, but have
> so far to hear anything back.  If I get anything I'll let you know.  (I
> may send a reminder now.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Phil Allred wrote:
> 
> > I'm having printing problems with Win-pine 3.96 32-bit and the current
> > IMAP4.1 Beta.  Occasionally I will get the message: 
> > 
> > Error starting print job:  Can't start document.
> > 
> > If I go back to IMAP2 on my server, then the problem goes away.  I tried
> > setting:
> > 
> > preserve-start-stop-characters
> > 
> > but it didn't help.  Any suggestions?  This happens on any of my machines
> > running Win-pine.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Phil Allred
> > Director of Library Automation Systems
> > South Texas College of Law
> > Houston TX
> > allred@stcl.edu
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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Please send me the procedures for adding a signature file to the bottom 
page of my correspondence.

Thank you,
Barbara Keesey
Barbara.J.Keesey@law.widener.edu

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Hi Barbara:

The easiest way to do this is through the Pico editor in your shell
account (provided with Pine).

At the Pine main menu, press (s)etup and (s)ignature.  This will take you
to a text editor that looks and feels the same as when you're composing
mail.  (Well, it *is* the same editor!  :)

Just use the prompts at the bottom of the screen when you're composing
your signature.  You'll see how easy it is....


Good luck!

Bob Wilshe
rwilshe@ais.net

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Barbara J keesey wrote:

> Please send me the procedures for adding a signature file to the bottom 
> page of my correspondence.
> 
> Thank you,
> Barbara Keesey
> Barbara.J.Keesey@law.widener.edu
> 


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Steps to setting up a signature file...

0.  Stop using the ancient 3.91 version of Pine, and upgrade to the
    current version: 3.96.

1.  Start Pine.

2.  At the Main Menu screen give the S (Setup) command.

3.  Give the S (Signature) command.  This will take you into the
    built-in signature editor, where you can place your text.

Note:  General advice is that the first lne of the signature should
consist of exactly three characters:
	"-- "  (ie, - - Space)

Netiquette recommends that you have no more than 4 lines after this one.

(If it is impossible for you to upgrade to and benefir from the current
version of Pine then do the following:

1.  Start Pine.

2.  At the Main Menu screen give the S (Setup) command.

3.  Give the C (Configuration) command.

4.  Look for the "signature-file" variable and note its value (probably
    ".signature" for a UNIX version of Pine).

5.  Exit from the Setup Configuration screen.

6.  Quit out of Pine.

7.  cd to your home directory (if not already there).

8.  Use your favourite editor to create/edit a file of the name you noted.
    Put your signature text into this.  (Remember the initial "-- " line
    described above, etc)
)

Cheers,

-- 
Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Barbara J keesey wrote:

> Please send me the procedures for adding a signature file to the bottom 
> page of my correspondence.
> 
> Thank you,
> Barbara Keesey
> Barbara.J.Keesey@law.widener.edu
> 




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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 FloSchau@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Sir!
> Can u tell me how to build an e-mail bomb? 
> Please send me an e-mail with a description not an e-mail bomb!!!
> Sincerely urs,
> FLO


AOL...figures!

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Help.  Am using a Mac 6116CD on AOL and need a program to read MIME files.
Any recommendations?

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 StephenB18@aol.com wrote:

  >Help.  Am using a Mac 6116CD on AOL and need a program to read MIME files.
  >Any recommendations?

Yes, 3:

1.
Goto the correct newsgroup. 
	comp.mail.eudora.mac
Might be ok.

2.
Read before you post. There's a lot of information about mime capable MUAs
at e.g. 
	www.yahoo.com
	
3.
[censored due to popular demand]
How come you aol guys never get it right?

Later,
Robin

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Hi,

  Sun os has a utility mail tool which has an icon of a mail box and is
  opened whenever there is a mail, the mail tool has many other features
  of an email program but this feature is very useful. But in case of pine
  window running pine has to be kept open to be made aware of an incoming
  mail. Since i am used to working with pine, have many folders in /mail
  directory, i don't like working with mail tool. So its very cumbersome
  to switch over from mail tool to pine to process the incoming mails
  and also the mail tool prompts to quit once the pine is opened
  simultaneously. 

  is there any way that the pine's recognition of incoming mails can be
  redirected to an utility that is merely an indicator of incoming mails,
  or is there any other way?

tia,
Vani




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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Vani P.S wrote:

There are quite a few programs that can do what you need. The best I've seen
so far ist asmail. Btw, if you want to make Dos95 "users" cry, check:

	www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~kiwi/AfterStep/
	www.screamin.demon.co.uk/afterstep.html
	defiant.gmi.edu/afterstep/



     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
NAME
       asmail - AfterStep Mail
DESCRIPTION
The  asmail  is  a "mail-checker" like xbiff, but with the Afterstep look &
feel. It indicates the status of your mailbox. It can be put in the Wharf,
execute program on incoming mail, execute program on mouse click, show XPM
icon's, show animations and more...

By Per Liden (per@oden.rsn.hk-r.se) 

HOW TO GET IT
- -------------
"Asmail Homepage":
	http://www.rby.hk-r.se/~pt95pli/asmail.html
"AfterStep FTP":
	ftp://oak.sfasu.edu/pub/AfterStep/apps/asmail-0.50.tar.gz



Or this boring one:

NAME
       xbiff - mailbox flag for X
DESCRIPTION
The  xbiff  program  displays a little image of a mailbox. When there is no
mail, the flag on the mailbox is down. When mail arrives, the flag goes up
and the mailbox beeps. By default, pressing any mouse button in the image
forces xbiff to remember the current size of the mail file as being the
`empty' size and to lower the flag.
     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------

                     
Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Robin


  >  Sun os has a utility mail tool which has an icon of a mail box and is
  >  opened whenever there is a mail, the mail tool has many other features
  >  of an email program but this feature is very useful. But in case of
  >  pine window running pine has to be kept open to be made aware of an
  >  incoming mail. Since i am used to working with pine, have many folders
  >  in /mail directory, i don't like working with mail tool. So its very
  >  cumbersome to switch over from mail tool to pine to process the
  >  incoming mails and also the mail tool prompts to quit once the pine is
  >  opened simultaneously.
  >
  >  is there any way that the pine's recognition of incoming mails can be
  >  redirected to an utility that is merely an indicator of incoming mails,
  >  or is there any other way?

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Does anyone know where I can find an index of error messages and what they
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554 collect: Cannot write tfHAA10533

Please respond through e-mail as I don't subscribe to the list.
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I 've a question,how can I use Internet with pine? Is here some speciality


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Please see attached message.

Thanks for your help!

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Dear John:

I'm a recent WebTv purchaser.  As you may know, WebTv operates through
your TV, through a Sony box in my particular case.  At this point, WebTv
does not offer print-out  capability, although they are working on an
upgrade to provide that.  The signal from the Sony box to the TV travels
through an S-Video cable.  I have very little sophistication in these
matters, but it has occurred to me that if the S-Video signal could be
sent into my old MacSE, possibly through an adaptation of the modem
port, I could get print-out capabilities right now for very little
money.  Is such a thing possible?   Is this an appropriate question for
you?  If not, do you know who I might direct it to?

Thanks for your help.

David


  

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I cannot find this topic addressed in the FAQs or in the Info archive.

In dividing system load between two or more servers, we can tell users to
change their PC and Mac client software from <server>.<domain.name> to
mail.<domain.name> to access their mail.  Can pine be configured so that a
login (with shell access on one server) can access mail which is routed to
a separate mail server (where that login is not allowed shell access)?
Using a .forward file on the mail server for each pine user login defeats
the the purpose of sending the mail load to the separate server.  If this
is possible, what are the setup differences between Solaris and IRIX? 

Thanks


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Help: I can't seem to get rid of files attached to e-mail messages sent to
me. When I start an FTP session in the mainframe on which my account is
located, I type ls to get a list of the files attached to e-mail messages
then i try typing DELE so that I can delete files in that I have
saved to my Macintosh desktop. But I get a message that DELE is an invalid
command. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.



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I do not know how to access my e-mail account that I have at syracuse
university through my computer at home.  Can someone help me?

Please respond to dcohen@dreamscape.com

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, hino truet hoesli wrote:
 
> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:27:23 -0700
> From: hino truet hoesli <hinotru@global.california.com>
> To: Albert Hardy <hardy002@mc.duke.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Re: How to include a text file?
> 
> On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Albert Hardy wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:34:15 -0400
> > From: Albert Hardy <hardy002@mc.duke.edu>
> > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> > Subject: How to include a text file?
> > 
> > I'm not a Pine user.  My sister needs to know how to compose a message
> > off-line (as in a Windows Notepad or DOS .TXT file, for example) and
-> > then include it into a message in Pine or (second choice), attach
it to
> > a Pine message.
> > Thanks for the help or pointer to the FAQ.
> > Albert Hardy

Hello --

I should have added that your recipient MUST also have PINE which
is free and available at various addresses listed in the FAQ.

I apologize for the omission.

hinotru



> I assume then your sister uses PINE [re: 3rd line]:
> 
> This is how I do it and I grant you it is a unique system but it
> works wonderfully in that I can send text or bitmap files.  One needs
> to distinguish between the two so that PINE can do its thing.
> 
> 1/ I compose text file.  DOS works fine.  I suspect Windoze Notepad
> may add extra curlicues and thingamajigs that louse up display and/or
> printing.  Just plain ASCII text will satisfy PINE immensely.
> 
> 2/You must have FTP dir access sp you can _PUT_ your text file into
> FTP' directory.  This is a _staging_ step and you verify receipt
> of your text file by typing DIR-Enter.  Once you see your file as you
> scroll down the directory listing you quit FTP and,
> 
> 3/ Compose message in PINE or whatever your ISP offers.  Your ISP
> help desk must assure you that you can insert [NOT ATTACH] to
> your PINE or whatever message.
> 	Note: If you are in PINE, just scan down to the menu where
> it offers ^R [Ctrl-R].  It will then ask you for the filename.
> Enter file name, and don't blink, as it is over and done with, like
> _phhhhhhtttttttt_, really!
> 
> 4/ Finish you message if need be, and do ^X [Ctrl-X] to send.
> 
> 5/ Congratulate yourself on a job well done by you and PINE.
> 
> --------
>  hinotru
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From: "Freerk J. Bosscha" <f.j.bosscha@tem.nhl.nl>
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Eigil Krogh Sorensen wrote:

> Does a version of IMAP4D, that can be installed on a SCO 5 system,
> exsist somewhere  ?
>
> Can Pine 3.96 (both PC and UNIX version) communicate with an IMAP4
> server ?
>
>  -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> VKI                                    Phone: +45 86 20 20 00
> Science Park Aarhus             Direct phone: +45 86 20 20 11 - 2114
>
> Gustav Wieds Vej 10                      Fax: +45 86 19 75 11
> 8000  Aarhus C                         Telex: 37874 VKICPH
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 I have put a working imap 4 release on our ftp-server which work fine
on our place.

url: ftp://ftp.tem.nhl.nl/pub/unix/sco/imap/imap4

Also are included the ipop2d en ipop3d pop servers
All files are compressed.

Hope this will help you,

Freerk Bosscha
NHL-TEM
The Netherlands
f.j.bosscha@tem.nhl.nl


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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Daniel Cohen wrote:

  >I do not know how to access my e-mail account that I have at syracuse
  >university through my computer at home. Can someone help me?

1. You have your reply to: set to an invalid value.

2. "Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157" You're in the *entirely* wrong
   newsgroup.

3. Your problem has nothing to do with email, but with internet protocols.


Possible solutions:

Read the extensive, colourful and userfriendly help that comes with
Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157.

Post to:
microsoft.public.internet.mail
microsoft.public.mail.connectivity
microsoft.public.money
alt.os.toys

Btw, one of the possible solutions to your problem would be to talk to the
people at your university's help desk. You'll need their "internet startup
kit", anyway, unless you want to write login scripts etc. manually.

Later,
Robin

- -- 
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Could someone please help me correct my time zone info on Pine e-mails?

I tried editing the autoexec.bat (per instructions I saw on another 
list) to:  SET TZ=AST 

[I'm in the Atlantic Time Zone (AST), which should also be -0400]

On one of my computers (this one, running WIN 95 and PC-PINE 3.91), this 
edit had no effect whatsoever (see above).

On another computer (running Windows 3.something and PC-PINE) it changed 
it to -0100 (AST) -- in other words, the zone is correct, but the 
differential from GMT is not.

TIA
Sara

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Hi!

I've read the postings on the pop features of pine, and I had one
Question before trying it out.

Could it erase (chunk?) the mail I hold in my INBOX, or could I be
able to read both the mail send to my primary Adress and the mail sent
to the account I will connect thru the pop server at the same time?

Yet ther is another question, where am I supposed to fill in my
password on thr remote system?

Thanks so much (on advanced)!

Eduardo

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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:

  >Could someone please help me correct my time zone info on Pine e-mails?
  >I tried editing the autoexec.bat (per instructions I saw on another
  >list) to:  SET TZ=AST

  >[I'm in the Atlantic Time Zone (AST), which should also be -0400] On one
  >of my computers (this one, running WIN 95 and PC-PINE 3.91), this edit
  >had no effect whatsoever (see above). On another computer (running
  >Windows 3.something and PC-PINE) it changed it to -0100 (AST) -- in other
  >words, the zone is correct, but the differential from GMT is not.

You've entered the Dos95 Twilight Zone *didadidadaaa* :-)

There's a kewl user-friendly icon on your right mouse button on the start
icon in the task bar. It should say something like system settings (sorry,
never ran away from an English Windos), and there's something you can set
the timezone and stuff with. It's got a colourful clock and there's a globe,
too... You need to set something in each...

\me sings: "That's entertainment..."

Later,
Robin


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Has anyone seen this error and if so, do you have any suggestions as to
what is causing this.....

:
Sorry, problem detected.  Can't write index cache block in from disk.
Very sorry, pine will now crash.  Please report this.

We are running PC pine.  The user is running WinDD from Tektronix on a Tek
X terminal.




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Hi, can anyone tell me how to stop incomming mail from popping up on the
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First, appoligies if this is a worn out or frequently asked question,
but I was wondering if anyone has talked about a version of pine (or if
another e-mail reader exists) that runs in a Windows95 or Windows NT
command prompt, yet uses winsock for it's communications.  What I am
trying to do is to allow people who already telneting into a Windows NT
server to use a text based client to read pop e-mail.  Anyone ever heard
of this?

	IMHO the pc-pine version is kind of silly in the fact that it continues
to implement the program as text based, yet it's in a window.  They
should have left it strictly text so you could and run it at a command
prompt.

	-Chris

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Putting the following in my AUTOEXEC.BAT works for me in both
Win3.x and Win95:

During daylight savings time I use this:

 SET TZ=EST5EDT


And during standard time I use this:

 SET TZ=EST5

Don't forget to reboot your machine after editing your
AUTOEXEC.BAT.  BTW, does anyone know of a web page that contains a
list of all the timezones (EST, PST, etc.) and their offsets (5, 8,
etc.)?

Thanks,
Nancy

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Hi,

I loaded the new version of Pine3.96, and am unable to communicate to
the nntp server. I have the nntp server name set right in the
.pinerc file.

I want pine to prompt me for User id and Password when accessing the
nntp server.

I get the "450 Authentication required for command. Telnet to Port 1119
of <nntp server>" at the bottom of the pine screen.

I read about the AUTHINFO but do not know how to activate or configure.

Any help will be appreciated.



Shashi

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, -Shashi Kiran wrote:

> I loaded the new version of Pine3.96, and am unable to communicate to
> the nntp server. I have the nntp server name set right in the
> .pinerc file.
> 
> I want pine to prompt me for User id and Password when accessing the
> nntp server.
> 
> I get the "450 Authentication required for command. Telnet to Port 1119
> of <nntp server>" at the bottom of the pine screen.
> 
> I read about the AUTHINFO but do not know how to activate or configure.

Pine 3.96 supports AUTHINFO automatically, but it is possible that
your server is using a different mechanism for authentication.  Please
ask your news server administrator for further information.


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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Chris Henesy wrote:

> 	IMHO the pc-pine version is kind of silly in the fact that it
> continues to implement the program as text based, yet it's in a window. 
> They should have left it strictly text so you could and run it at a
> command prompt. 

Windows 3.1 doesn't support CLI apps using winsock at all.  The support in
Win95 is a pain.  (Look at Quake.)  If somebody released a free version of
the type of technology used in Quake I can think of lots of applications
for it.

</chris>

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I am using Pine 3.96 and get an error message saying .addressbook.lu is
invalid each time I perform an operation that involves my addressbook.  I
have deleted this file and asked Pine to reconstruct it with the same
results.  Below is the output from Pine as placed in the debug file.  Any
suggestions on how to correct this problem would be appreciated.

    ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
IMAP 20:14:01 4/17 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/kford/.pine-interrupted-mail

=== send called ===

  ---- COMPOSER ----
- build_address - (www)
-- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) --
- adrbk_open(/home/kford/.addressbook) -
lu is out of date: timestamp=48 file_mtime=861301801
/home/kford/.addressbook.lu is not valid, rebuilding
Address book .addressbook (/home/kford/.addressbook) opened with 61 items
- adrbk_lookup_by_nick(www) (in /home/kford/.addressbook) -
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(getweb@info.lanic.utexas.edu) (in /home/kford/.addressbook) -
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(getweb@info.lanic.utexas.edu) (in /home/kford/.addressbook) -
new win size -----<49 80>------
IMAP 20:14:13 4/17 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/kford/dead.letter
done.
- mailcap_free -


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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Stephen R. Laniel wrote:

> But Windows was meant to move beyond the character-mode DOS interface. 

Yes, but Win32 has a charactermode (Lynx for Win32 uses this). A Pine for
that would be nice. The DOS version of Pine cannot access the Winsock
driver, and is limited to DOS' 640 Kbyte barrier, a textmode Win32 program
would not be limited in such a way.

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crom@localhost.localdomain (Dana Booth):
> : crom@localhost.localdomain (you-know-who-you-are):
> : Don't bother posting before you have learnt how to configure Pine correctly
> I don't use Pine to post to the newsgroups, ...

Rading this and Vikas followup I checked upon the header of your post again:

	X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
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	References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970412000047.24576A-200000@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>

Guess I must have seen the Pine id in the References: while I was editing my
followup instead of looking at the Message-ID of your post.
Yes, you are obviously not using Pine, but tin.
I stand corrected.  Apologies!

> ... and I intentionally leave my real address out of the 'from:'
> line to prevent computer generated junk mail.  Anyone wishing to
> email me can do so to the address listed in my sig.

But I still don't like that nospam address attitude.  ;-)

Sven

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Any info if the next generation of PC-Pine has a newsreader
that could access any NNTP site, I have problems with this
just now. As a bonus, if one could share the .newsrc file
with a local and remote place, that would be really neat.

I really like the idea of a combined news and email reader,
as that's one less window on my desktop, and ultimately
news and email is nearly the same, anyway.

Thx, Kent

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There were talks about making Pine autoadd "-- " and a newline before the
signature file (as defined in some RFC). I've succesfully (at least the
program hasn't bombed yet) patched my copy, by adding this:

        strcat(sig, "-- ");
        strcat(sig, NEWLINE);

at line 2540 of reply.c. That is, after

    if(tmp_sig = read_file(sig_path)){
        sig = fs_get(strlen(tmp_sig) + 10);
        strcpy(sig, NEWLINE);
        strcat(sig, NEWLINE);

and before

        strcat(sig, tmp_sig);
        fs_give((void **)&tmp_sig);
    }

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n2143968@student.fit.qut.edu.au (skywalker):
> When i reply to mail and choose to include the original text, my signature
> is being placed at the start of the message. Is it possible to set pine so
> that it will place the signature after the included text in a replied mail?
 [Deleted: "signature" of almost 1,200 bytes including trailing space]

Yes.  RTFM!  And http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/, too!

Sven

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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, David L Miller wrote:

> What timing!  One of the next few projects on my to-do list is to add
> an enable-sigdashes feature for Pine 4.00... ;-)

Does this mean that you included my patch, or that you're doing it your
own way? (Doesn't really matter, only that it gets included).

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On 17 Apr 1997, "Daniel Cohen" wrote:

> I do not know how to access my e-mail account that I have at syracuse
> university through my computer at home.  Can someone help me?

Please deliver this question to tech support at Syracuse.  comp.mail.pine
is not the appropriate forum for this question.

--Steve

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On 16 Apr 1997, Abhay Roy wrote:

> Is there any way to have a customized way of quoting text in replys (to 
> personal mails / newsgroup posts). I know elm has it.

No. At least not without patching the source code ;)

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David L Miller <dlm@cac.washington.edu> writes:
>On 14 Apr 1997, Vikas Agnihotri wrote:
>
>>  Has some kind of standard been reached upon how MTAs are supposed to do
>> Delivery Status Notification (DSN)? I remember reading something about this a
>> few months back but didnt see any follow-ups on www.imc.org or anywhere else.
>
>Yes, there is an Internet (proposed) standard for DSN.  Recent
>versions of Sendmail implement it and Pine 4.00 will support it. 
>

I take it the demand at washington.edu is large for this proposed
standard?

  -Greg
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On 18 Apr 1997, DearOldDad wrote:
> 
> Well, how about 2 fell swoops? ... type w as in (w)hereis followed by +
> (or any other search criteria for that matter).

That just steps to the next message with + anywhere in the index
line but I want to change the index view so it is just displaying
the messages with a + in the leftmost column.  My guess is that
whatever the solution to this is it will involve using the Z
(ZoomMode) command.  

Thanks,
Nancy

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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Don't forget to reboot your machine after editing your
> AUTOEXEC.BAT.  BTW, does anyone know of a web page that contains a
> list of all the timezones (EST, PST, etc.) and their offsets (5, 8,
> etc.)?

	According to the US centric RFCs the only valid TZs are those
from the USA including their daylight savings time variations.  This,
is not such a bad idea when you consider that SST could be Singapore
Standard Time, Switzerland Standard Time, Sudan Standard Time, etc.
I would say the best thing would be to always set your TZ to an offset
from GMT....which you can figure out by consulting your nearest Almanac.

	Regards,

		GMT+8 Ed

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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Daniel Cohen wrote:

> I do not know how to access my e-mail account that I have at syracuse
> university through my computer at home.  Can someone help me?
> 
> Please respond to dcohen@dreamscape.com

	Yes, the "help desk" at Syracuse University.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:
> 
>   >Could someone please help me correct my time zone info on Pine e-mails?
>   >I tried editing the autoexec.bat (per instructions I saw on another
>   >list) to:  SET TZ=AST
> 
>   >[I'm in the Atlantic Time Zone (AST), which should also be -0400] On one
>   >of my computers (this one, running WIN 95 and PC-PINE 3.91), this edit
>   >had no effect whatsoever (see above). On another computer (running
>   >Windows 3.something and PC-PINE) it changed it to -0100 (AST) -- in other
>   >words, the zone is correct, but the differential from GMT is not.
> 
> There's a kewl user-friendly icon on your right mouse button on the start
> icon in the task bar. It should say something like system settings (sorry,
> never ran away from an English Windos), and there's something you can set
> the timezone and stuff with. It's got a colourful clock and there's a globe,
> too... You need to set something in each...

Robin:  

I am having similar troubles...running PC-Pine w/ WinNT4.0.  Making
the setting changes you describe from the "Control Panel", in my case,
allows the time to have the correct hour, but always with the designation:
"PST" or "PDT"...I am in the "EST" or "EDT" time zone.  Since the time is
correct, things can function.  With the zone trouble, people are sometimes
confused.

Knowing that the Pine folks are in the Pacific Time Zone, I can understand
the zone "choice", but would like to correct it.  (Further, I realize it
must be a setting of some kind, since some, but not all, of my users
experience this trouble.)

Any help appreciated. 

Catherine Hernandez
Lab Manager
School of Comp Sci- FIU- Miami FL
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References: <slrn5l55l8.atc.vikas@joshua.insight.att.com> <1997Apr1423.46.40.28998@koobera.math.uic.edu> <slrn5l6q7s.ke0.vikas@joshua.insight.att.com> <Pine.HPP.3.95a.970415161127.25317G-100000@hpplus14.cern.ch>
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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:16:27 GMT, Alan J. Flavell <flavell@mail.cern.ch> wrote:
>On 15 Apr 1997, Vikas Agnihotri wrote:

>> That is unrealistic.

>Of course it is.  Re-read the original question: it was unrealistic.  It
>asked for a reliable solution to something that cannot be done reliably
>on the Internet.  So why be so surprised when the answer also is
>unrealistic? 

Well, thats exactly what I set out to find. I am hearing that the current
state-of-the art of the Internet technology is such that this cannot be
reliably done. Fine. 

>> Thats the whole point of a standard, right?
>Oh, I wasn't aware that support for return-receipt was mandatory
>on the Internet.  Do you have a standards-track RFC that says it is?

Well, I wasnt aware of it either until I saw someone post otherwise in this
thread. See <33538229.1567065@news.sci.fi>  I havent had time to check it out
yet.

Thanks and regards,
Vikas

Just out of curiosity, what is the percentage of mails that get arbitrarily
'dropped' without any notification at all to the sender? Due to whatever
reason? Has anyone ever done any studies/surveys on the "reliability" of email
as a form of communication as it stands today?




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Robin et al. --

Like Catherine, I made the correct settings in Settings/Control 
Panel/Date&Time to no avail -- THEN I tried the autoexec.bat edit.  
Neither has any effect.  

Sara


On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Catherine Hernandez wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:
> > 
> >   >Could someone please help me correct my time zone info on Pine e-mails?
> >   >I tried editing the autoexec.bat (per instructions I saw on another
> >   >list) to:  SET TZ=AST
> > 
> >   >[I'm in the Atlantic Time Zone (AST), which should also be -0400] On one
> >   >of my computers (this one, running WIN 95 and PC-PINE 3.91), this edit
> >   >had no effect whatsoever (see above). On another computer (running
> >   >Windows 3.something and PC-PINE) it changed it to -0100 (AST) -- in other
> >   >words, the zone is correct, but the differential from GMT is not.
> > 
> > There's a kewl user-friendly icon on your right mouse button on the start
> > icon in the task bar. It should say something like system settings (sorry,
> > never ran away from an English Windos), and there's something you can set
> > the timezone and stuff with. It's got a colourful clock and there's a globe,
> > too... You need to set something in each...
> 
> Robin:  
> 
> I am having similar troubles...running PC-Pine w/ WinNT4.0.  Making
> the setting changes you describe from the "Control Panel", in my case,
> allows the time to have the correct hour, but always with the designation:
> "PST" or "PDT"...I am in the "EST" or "EDT" time zone.  Since the time is
> correct, things can function.  With the zone trouble, people are sometimes
> confused.
> 
> Knowing that the Pine folks are in the Pacific Time Zone, I can understand
> the zone "choice", but would like to correct it.  (Further, I realize it
> must be a setting of some kind, since some, but not all, of my users
> experience this trouble.)
> 
> Any help appreciated. 
> 
> Catherine Hernandez
> Lab Manager
> School of Comp Sci- FIU- Miami FL
> hernandc@cs.fiu.edu
> 
> 

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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:

  >Like Catherine, I made the correct settings in Settings/Control
  >Panel/Date&Time to no avail -- THEN I tried the autoexec.bat edit.
  >Neither has any effect.

Well, I think you'd best check the MS newsgroups for that :-)

As an alternative, you might consider moving to Germany. It's a friendly
little country with only one timezone.

Or, you could drop that MS-toy and install an OS that deserves its name. Any
u*ix (probably not HP, because it sucks) will let you set that easily .-)

A nice weekend to all,
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   Can someone tell me how to print my e-mail?  My local tech-support
can't explain it and I have a couple of letters I'd like to save on paper.
   Vexed in Virginia


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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Mary J Anthony wrote:

  >   Can someone tell me how to print my e-mail?  My local tech-support
  >can't explain it and I have a couple of letters I'd like to save on
  >paper.

Ok, since you didn't give *any* information about your system, the safest
thing for you to do is get the pine docu:

	http://www.washington.edu/pine

There is an extensive passage about printing problems.

Later,
Robin

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On 15 Apr 1997, Vikas Agnihotri wrote:

  >>Of course it is.  Re-read the original question: it was unrealistic.  It
  >>asked for a reliable solution to something that cannot be done reliably
  >>on the Internet. So why be so surprised when the answer also is
  >>unrealistic?
  >Well, thats exactly what I set out to find. I am hearing that the current
  >state-of-the art of the Internet technology is such that this cannot be
  >reliably done. Fine.

It might be a little off topic, but the safest way to make sure that a mail
has reached its destination is to use an auto-acknowledgement system. I've
set up procmail in a way that you can send a mail with "en/disable auto
acknowledgement" and that's that. All you need to do is make sure the other
side has the same, but as this measure is only necessary for a few people,
that's not a big deal, either.

There are some nifty reciped in the "procmail library" by Alan Stebbens:

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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:
> 
>   >Like Catherine, I made the correct settings in Settings/Control
>   >Panel/Date&Time to no avail -- THEN I tried the autoexec.bat edit.
>   >Neither has any effect.
> 
> Well, I think you'd best check the MS newsgroups for that :-)

Since the time zone function fine for the OS and for other applications, I
do not believe this will produce musch of a result.  I will, however, see
if there are any helpful suggestions in that group.

> Or, you could drop that MS-toy and install an OS that deserves its name. Any
> u*ix (probably not HP, because it sucks) will let you set that easily .-)

The problem is not setting the TZ within the OS.  That was successful.
The probelm is that PC-Pine does not recognize the TZ setting from the OS.
Perhaps, since you are running unix pine, you have not experienced this
trouble.  



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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Putting the following in my AUTOEXEC.BAT works for me in both
> Win3.x and Win95:
> 
>  SET TZ=EST5


*** Thanks, Nancy -- this worked for me with WIndows 3.x, but it has no 
effect with WIN 95 -- any other ideas?

> 


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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Nancy McGough wrote:
# ....  BTW, does anyone know of a web page that contains a
# list of all the timezones (EST, PST, etc.) and their offsets (5, 8,
# etc.)?
# ....

Try:

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/tzones.html

http://www.hilink.com.au/times/

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  Stefan Kramer                   skramer@cac.washington.edu
  Network Information Center  http://www.washington.edu/nic/
  Computing & Communications        University of Washington    
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My program (or what ever) has recently been changed and I cannot get my
mail now.  I was wondering if you could help me, I don't think that I can
receive mail so please send anything to x1cu@unb.ca  I will get the mail
from her.  I keep loggng on and getting a "Inbox open Read onlt message
and it dosen't tell me what to do.  Do you know any reasons why this would
be happening and how I can fix this problem, also where is my mail going?

			Cheers!
			   Jeanette


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Hi,

In the pine-info archives I noticed a question that was over a year old 
asking about printing messages from Microsoft Mail. Since MS Mail doesn't 
add carraige returns the messages print just one line per paragraph and
the rest just runs off of the page. Does anyone
know of a fix for this or if something in pine can be
set to remedy it.

Please respond by e-mail.

Thanks a lot,

Dave Weiss
weiss@vims.edu

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:33:17 -0700 (MST)
From: atlanta96@asu.edu
To: Guy Harrell <gharrell@acme.csusb.edu>
Subject: Fw: Elmo


>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>~~
>> 
>>       For cancer research...Tickle me!  :-) 
>>                      
>>       Elmo
>>                    __   __
>>                  .'  '.'  `.
>>               _.-|  o | o  |-._
>>             .~   `.__.'.__.'^  ~. 
>> 
>>           .~     ^  /   \  ^     ~. >>           \-._^   ^|     |    ^_.-/ 
>>           `\  `-._  \___/ ^_.-' /' 
>>             `\_   `--...--'   /'
>>                `-.._______..-'      /\  /\ 
>>                   __/   \__         | |/ /_ 
>>                 .'^   ^    `.      .'   `__\ 
>>               .'    ^     ^  `.__.'^ .\ \
>>              .' ^ .    ^   .    ^  .'  \/ 
>>             /    /        ^ \'.__.'
>>            |  ^ /|   ^      |
>> 
>> For every new person that this is passed on to The American Cancer 
>> Society will donate 3 cents to cancer research.  Please help us.
>> Forward this to everyone you know.  Also add to your list ACS@aol.com 
>> Thanks for helping!!




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It is my understanding that students email accounts are affected when we 
change student numbers; as such I would like to request that that you make
the appropriate changes to your files to insure that the following student
has email access.

Student's name: Satu Sofia Stechschulte
Old or incorrect Student number: 9527886
Correct Student number: 9135868 
  
Please let me know if you want to be notified every time we make a student
number change and what is the best way to handle it to avoid email service
interruption for the student.

	Thank you.
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I believe that this is a HOAX message.  I recommend verifying the 
authenticity of messages such as this BEFORE passing them on to the 
unsuspecting public.


On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Guy Harrell wrote:

> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:33:17 -0700 (MST)
> From: atlanta96@asu.edu
> To: Guy Harrell <gharrell@acme.csusb.edu>
> Subject: Fw: Elmo
> 
> 
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> >~~
> >> 
> >>       For cancer research...Tickle me!  :-) 
> >>                      
> >>       Elmo
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> >> 
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> >> 
> >> For every new person that this is passed on to The American Cancer 
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how do you send mail bombs

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From: ckk@pobox.com (Chris Koenigsberg)
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Subject: portability Re: Sender, From, and Reply-To (Was: Pine 4.0 wishes)
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Another important issue is one which the *&$%%$#@@!$% spammers have
unfortunately tarnished.

I move around a lot and over the years since 1976 I have had a number
of different computer accounts that I sent mail & news etc. out from.

A couple of years ago I got sick of always having to try and let
everyone know when my email address was going to change, and I signed
up with "pobox.com" for their portable email forwarding service.

Now I always want you to see "ckk@pobox.com" in whatever headers that
your mail program is going to use to reply to me. Any other address in
any other header may be valid at the moment but not in a few years; or
i may be unreachable behind a firewall; or it may be on a hostname
which we've just decommissioned; or it may be, as someone mentioned
here, related to an IMAP mailbox, and not useful as a reply address.

Even if a piece of mail from me sits around in an archive for years, I
still want you to be able to reply to me. There are messages from me
back in the 1980's, archived at Web sites, and people have
occasionally written to me at those old addresses. Fortunately they're
still alive & forwarding to me now. But what about the next ten years?

So I want to make sure that I can say "Reply-To: ckk@pobox.com" on
everything I post or mail, regardless of where it is actually coming
from. And it literally could be coming from any one of hundreds of
different systems where I could legitimately be mailing from, across a
number of different organizations and networks, across the USA.

I'd like to change the "From:" header too if possible, and even the
RFC 821 envelope sender (MAIL FROM field), all to my portable
ckk@pobox.com moniker. I may be using Pine on timesharing host A.B.C
today, but it's only one of a zillion places I may be mailing &
posting from and I want those archived messages to only show the
permanent address for me, so they're not garbage in another ten
years!!! And of course as a long time sysadmin and Postmaster, I set
up Pine myself on systems and disabled "allow-changing-From-line" too,
even though I want it on for myself!!! (am I a hypocrite? :-)

(of course as a side consequence, I want to kill, kill, smash, stomp,
stomp, the author of the decision which made Microsoft Mail SMTP
Gateways ignore Reply-To: and From: headers, and only show the
envelope sender (RFC 821 MAIL FROM field) to the user of the MS-Mail
Postoffice mailbox. At least they've fixed this with Microsoft
Exchange Server's Internet Mail Service!!! Thank you!!!! And VAX/VMS
3rd party Smtp products used to do the same thing, cc:Mail and
Quickmail gateways too, etc. Kill, smash, stomp them all!)

Now back to the @(*^*^%!)(*%^#& spammers.

I have a legitimate reason for wanting to put something into the
replyable headers you see in mail from me, something which has no
syntactical or semantic connection to any of the actual accounts,
hosts, etc. that I actually use for my mailing & news posting.

But those @$#@!_)&&^%$%&^$ spammers are pushing things to where it'll
be harder and harder to do this, because they're abusing it.

Recommendations will be enforced soon, by outgoing anti-spam filters
on ISP firewalls, where PPP dialups may no longer be able to send out
MAIL FROM an address that doesn't relate to the network they're
on. I'll have to get some kind of special permission, register
specially somehow, in order to keep being "ckk@pobox.com" no matter
what ISP PPP I happen to be using today. (i.e. somehow I'll have to
register an association, between my pobox.com permanent moniker and
whatever authentication I use for this particular ISP, and they'll
have to store it and check my mail against it on their firewall's
outgoing mail queues, to make sure I'm not a &*%%#@*^&^$^Y spammer).

Some of you might know what a fanatical anti-spam vigilante I am, so
here I know that my own needs conflict with the need for controlling
those I^&^$&^%*&^ spammers. 

Chris Koenigsberg, ckk@pobox.com, <http://www.pobox.com/~ckk>


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In article <5j7u55$2hh@apache.dtcc.edu>,
	weave@apache.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
> I have previously disagreed with the idea of having the mail spool
> writable by all because of fear of users plugging in files for missing
> (mainly new accounts) mail files in that directory, possible
> denial-of-service by loading it with crap, etc...

See below :)

> While trying to get over my stubborness, I figured that this guy is doing
> a lot of work without us paying him a cent, so he deserves to do it the
> way he wants.

Well, it's not just Mark... it's the way a LOT of systems have done things.
Even Berkeley, and I know Mark isn't too fond of them from his comments
in the c-client library. :)

> So, I am reconfiguring everything to allow my /var/mail to be 1777 which
> includes changing my vendor-provided sendmail, local delivery agent, etc.

You almost always want to junk your vendor provided sendmail.  Solaris, for
example, ships with a mystery version of sendmail that has weird god-awful
hacks in it so that it can run with the same config file originally written
in 1937 or so.  If you use your own compilation you can at least know what
it is and keep it current easily.

> How can I ensure safety of user mail in the mail spool? I am going to use
> procmail for local delivery. He seems to be pretty paranoid about the
> inbox permissions. For example, if I create a spool file for a missing
> user with more than 600 perms, it changes it to 600. If I create a spool
> file with 600 but owned by another user, procmail renames it to BOGUS.*
> and delivers to a fresh inbox. Seems fine so far. Am I missing something?
> I'd rather not create empty spool files when an account is created, since
> about 50% of our student accounts are never accessed which means the mail
> spool directory entry would be larger than it has to be.

Procmail is a wonderful choice for a delivery agent.  It is VERY paranoid
and behaves itself better than most programs, which is perhaps what's
confusing you about the BOGUS files.  If you don't mail the user, procmail
won't create ANY file at all.  But if it finds one and it's not owned by
the proper user, it's renamed.  This is so you can't have userbob put in
a fake mail file for userjohn if John has a broken client that erases his
mailbox when he cleans it.

If procmail didn't move it out of the way, you'd run into other issues, like
who should own the file, should procmail still have root at that point to
chown the file, etc.

Steven seems to have done a lot of thought on that and I'm comfortable with
its handling and how early procmail gives up root.

> procmail seems to lock by creating a username.lock file while the UW imap4 
> creates username.lock with loads of digits and stuff after it. I assume
> these two guys will not trip over each other?  What about the pine 
> native (non-imap) client?

Ah, the world of Unix file lockings... :)  Try procmail -v and it'll tell
you what file locking it wants to do.  If installed right, it will do every
kind of file locking it can... dotlocks, fcntl, lockf and flock, hoping that
your clients will use one of them.

Clients compiled with the c-client library (which includes pine, imapd and
ipop3d) will do various types of locks as well (a quick check shows flock,
dotlock, and others.... The lock with the digits/etc are temporary locks
on the way to being a dotlock.  Look at bezerk_lock() in c-client/bezerk.c
for the details. :)

Yes, they seem to work fine together.

> Thanks. I'm a bit paranoid about mailbox safety. I *do* see the logic in
> not trusting stuff to have sgid mail privileges so this probably makes
> sense in the long run.  If someone abuses the writability of the spool,
> I'll resort to old fashioned "break their legs" technology!

Paranoia is good.  So is violence.  But I use procmail and imapd and ipop3d
here and have no problems with them locking.  The only problem is people
using broken clients that open the pop mailbox twice, but Mark's method on
that works better on IE2.0 which could do the same thing, and since most
of our customers are using IE in some flavor, that's fine by me.


-- 
Brian Moore                      The opinions expressed above are my own, not
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker          necesarily my employers'.

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On 14 Apr 1997, Joel Snyder wrote:

> How can I do a group mailing to all on a list *without* having each
> person's e-mail address show in the header?

  As somebody else said, use Bcc:
  Even better, use Lcc:

  You can get help on each by invoking the ^R rich header, positioning
  on the relevant field and typing ^G


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Due to negligence, on Prickle-Prickle, the 36th day of Discord in the 
YOLD 3163, Shadow3459@aol.com let this roam freely into my Inbox of Terror:

  >how do you send mail bombs

Supposed your parents taught you to read, here's something from the
netiquette for you:

     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
                                      
LISTSERVS/MAILING LISTS/DISCUSSION GROUPS
                                      
[...]
                                       
Don't join a list

- -    just to post inflammatory messages - this upsets most system
     administrators and you could lose access to the net ("mail bombing").
                                       
- -    Keep your questions and comments relevant to the focus of the
     discussion group.
                                      
[...]
                    ___________________________________
                                      
     THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR COMPUTER ETHICS from the Computer
                     Ethics Institute
                                      
                                       
1.   Thou shalt not use a computer to harm other people.

2.   Thou shalt not interfere with other people's computer work.

[...]

9.   Thou shalt think about the social consequences of the program you
     write.
                                       
10.  Thou shalt use a computer in ways that show consideration and respect.
               ___________________________________


Get it, child?


BTW, has anyone ever tried contacting abuse@aol.com, complaining about mails
like this? You'll get this (hehehe...)

     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
TO REPORT INCIDENTS OF INTERNET OR USENET ABUSE
If you're writing to report abuse of the USENET or Internet, please send
reports to abuse@aol.com. Please include complete copies of the abusive
article or e-mail, including all headers. This will facilitate our canceling
USENET articles; header information is used for internal user histories and
verifying the actual source of abuse.

If you have reported unsolicited mailings, especially the recent child
pornography mailings (tiptoe001@aol.com and r9ch@aol.com), we have closed
the accounts involved, and our legal department is taking action.
     -------------------->snip here<---------------------------
   
Wish they treated childish [censored] with the same diligence as child
pornography :-|

Have a nice weekened.

- -- 
Robin S. Socha, Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
To get my pgp public key, send an e-mail with the subject "get pgp key"
GMC d++ s+:+ a- C++ UL++$>+++$ P+>++$ E>+ W- N+ o@ w--- M-- PS--- PE+++ Y+
PGP++>+++ t+() 5-- tv++(+) b+++ DI++ D+(++) G++>+++ e++>+++ h r++>+++ y+**

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CsEC6V/4Wr6tecxOV61oZNb2Y+aaBkafe+4BGgnZ1bPtzEUO7y7WG3pNhMI97FcW
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References: <335537C7.2C51@mc.duke.edu> <Pine.BSI.3.95.970416210549.11086B-100000@global.california.com> <Pine.BSI.3.95.970417101525.17621A-100000@global.california.com>
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In article <Pine.BSI.3.95.970417101525.17621A-100000@global.california.com>,
hino truet hoesli  <hinotru@global.california.com> wrote:
>I should have added that your recipient MUST also have PINE which
>is free and available at various addresses listed in the FAQ.

No, the recipient merely needs to use any mail program.

However, if Attach is used, the recipient's program must be MIME
compatible.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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Hi -


Does anyone know if it is possible in pine 3.95 to select multiple mime
attachments at once without having to do each one individually?  The ";"
doesn't seem to work when viewing files to attach (^T), nor can we use
wildcards.  This would be a big time saver.


Thx for any leads,


C.

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Alas, not yet (and probably not in 4.0)...  but you are not the
first person to have asked :)

-teg

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Charles Ashley wrote:

> Hi -
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if it is possible in pine 3.95 to select multiple mime
> attachments at once without having to do each one individually?  The ";"
> doesn't seem to work when viewing files to attach (^T), nor can we use
> wildcards.  This would be a big time saver.
> 
> 
> Thx for any leads,
> 
> 
> C.
> 


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Hi,

I got a message apparently composed with Pine having the Cont-Type set to
text/enriched. Does somebody know how one can do that ?

By the way, I'd like to know what are the features of enriched text. Any
help ?

Best regards,

Jean

PS could you send reply both in the newsgroup and directly to my e-mail
address? Thanx.

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 " SALOM " in uzbek ,means greeting!
Could you send me the KOLUMBIA state Universities E-mail?
Thanks!!!



 
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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Jean Richelle wrote:

  >I got a message apparently composed with Pine 

Apparently? How?

  >having the Cont-Type set to text/enriched. Does somebody know how one can
  >do that ?

Sure, XEmacs 19.15 can do it... It's a killer program and gnus is the best
mailing program I've ever seen (if it weren't for the 160MB you need for the
installation).

  >By the way, I'd like to know what are the features of enriched text. Any
  >help ?

Content-Type: text/enriched
Text-Width: 70

<center><x-bg-color><param>blue</param><x-color><param>white</param><bold>
<fixed>enriched.el:</fixed></bold></x-color></x-bg-color>

<x-bg-color><param>blue</param><x-color><param>white</param>
<bold>WYSIWYG rich text editing for GNU Emacs</bold></x-color></x-bg-color>

</bold><indent>Emacs now has the ability to edit <italic>enriched
text</italic>, which is text containing faces, colors, indentation, and
other properties.


HTH, :-)

Robin

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Subject: Re: zooming to all msgs to me?
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In article <E8tz24.ECp@nonexistent.com>, Nancy McGough  <nancym@ii.com> wrote:
>
>That just steps to the next message with + anywhere in the index
>line but I want to change the index view so it is just displaying
>the messages with a + in the leftmost column.  My guess is that
>whatever the solution to this is it will involve using the Z
>(ZoomMode) command.  

I don't think you get it any better than + anywhere in the index.

W + ^X Z

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Peter Breitfeld wrote:

> Is it possible to compose a message to a newsgroup beeing offline?
> I would like to compose my message, then dial in an post it. But PINE
> complains: 
> 
>    Newsgroup field: No server defined for posting to newsgrpoups
> 
> I have a server in the newsgroup field so I suspect the error is because I
> am offline.

    Unfortunately you did not give details of your setup, which would
have been a big, big help.  (Many inquirers on this newsgroup
frequently fail to provide adequate technical data.)

    However, I can guess at this:

1)  Compose your message offline;
2)  Upload (move) it to whatever system you use Pine from;
3)  Logon to that system;
4)  Make sure that the server Pine talks to is itself "online";
5)  Start Pine;
6)  Compose your message in Pine, reading in the uploaded message;
7)  Post the message as normally.

However you compose the message, it must be read in (or attached) to
Pine, which itself must be able to talk to a server itself in some
sense "online."  You cannot merely compose a message in a system which
is not connected to the Internet somehow and expect your message to go
anywhere.  However, as you did not provide technical details, it's a
little like shooting at bats in a cave.

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On 19 Apr 1997, Orjan Johansen wrote:
> 
> I don't think you get it any better than + anywhere in the index.
> 
> W + ^X Z

I just tried to do `W + ^X Z' and when I did ^X, pine produced this
message:

 [Command "^X" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

Did you really get this to zoom in on all the + messages?  If so,
could you give exact instructions of what you did? 

Thanks,
Nancy

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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Nancy McGough wrote:

> To me there are three (often distinct) things that need to be
> conveyed in a message: 
> 
>  Sender: who really sent the message
> 
>  From: who you want the message to APPEAR to be from
> 
>  Reply-To: who responses should be sent to
> 
...
> 
> It seems to me that any good mail client will support all three of
> these headers and that the Sender header should not be editable (to
> prevent forgery with this mail client) but both the From and
> Reply-To headers should be EASILY editable ON THE FLY.  With over
> 1000 domain names being registered daily and the new top level
> domains coming soon, more and more people are getting their own
> domain names and want to be able to EASILY play different roles
> (webmaster, sales, etc.) from their mail client.  My question is: 
> 
>  Why does PC Pine make it so hard to change the From line on 
>  the fly?  I honestly do not understand this, given that the
>  Sender line tells who the real sender is.

I agree completely that the definitions you give above are the way it
_should_ work.  Unfortunately there are several problems to consider:

1.  Making the Sender: header non-editable implies that the client
needs some way to authenticate that header.  PC-Pine gets that
information from the IMAP credentials used to open the INBOX.  In some
cases the address generated from the IMAP login does not correspond
directly to a deliverable e-mail address.  [Chris Newman was
circulating a proposal to define a new header with authentication
information, but I don't know what its status is.]

2.  Many clients do not display the Sender: or X-Sender: header by
default.  Thus, simply changing the From: header on-the-fly makes it
possible to fool a naieve user into believing a forged e-mail. 

3.  If I remember correctly, when custom header support was first
added to Pine, the From: header was editable.  Overwhelming demand
from mail administrators made us change the default to disable editing
the From: header, largely because of (2).

4.  Some commonly used mailing list management software makes
assumptions about these headers that conflict with our assumptions.
That was a driving force in making Pine default to use X-Sender:
instead of Sender:.  From recent reports, that software is even
looking at X-Sender: now :-(

With the changing face of e-mail usage and products, it is possible
that we could be persuaded to change Pine's defaults.  But, the above
problems do need to be addressed by any changes we make...

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David L Miller <dlm@cac.washington.edu> wrote in comp.mail.misc:

>The last I heard, Qmail does not support DSN [Dan,
>can you confirm that?]

I installed qmail on my not-connected machine [that's why you
haven't seen my success note, Dan] about a week ago. While
waiting for the ugly makefile to finish its work I read
Bernstein's thoughts included in the distribution. From what I
read, I conclude that DSN won't be supported for a while by
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	Antti-Juhani


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We have situation where users use an imap server based on their loginid.  
I gather University of Washington has something similar.  I would like to 
get input on how to handle labs where the userid is going to change 
constantly.  Has University of Washington modified pc-pine to find the 
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From: kford@linda.teleport.com (Kelly Ford)
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Subject: Feature Request, Delete Multiple Messages with One Keystroke
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I know you can use the aggregate commands to delete messages that meet
assorted criteria.  However I'd find it handy when sorting messages by
subject to have the ability to mark all messages with a given subject as
deleted with just one keystroke.  Perhaps it could be an option that would
be enabled in the configuration menus and then when the index is pointing
to a given message pressing some key would automatically mark that message
and any with the same subject as deleted.  This would be similar to the
mark thread deleted or read feature in most news readers.

If there's already a way to do this please let me know.

Kelly Ford
kford@teleport.com
See my home page at http://www.teleport.com/~kford/index.html


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When I access my main menu a message comes on "opening inbox" followed by
a horizontal bar, a rotating bar and another horizontal bar in that
order.Then it says "Mailbox is opened by another process, readonly" This
prevents deletion of messages which are building up. How can I reverse the
readonly status and return to the ability to delete messages in my
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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions 
to the mailing list -- which is mirrored in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine --
please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, 
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are 
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be 
accessed:

     - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
       documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

     - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
       also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
       (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
       folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
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The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived.  These archives
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        on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

     - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
       subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

     - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
       MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and 
       choose Add Value) as:
            *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
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On 18 Apr 1997, Bernuy Sanchez J. wrote:

> pine-info
What are you trying to ask?


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References: <slrn5l55l8.atc.vikas@joshua.insight.att.com> <1997Apr1423.46.40.28998@koobera.math.uic.edu> <slrn5l6q7s.ke0.vikas@joshua.insight.att.com> <Pine.HPP.3.95a.970415161127.25317G-100000@hpplus14.cern.ch> <slrn5l7omj.ld2.vikas@joshua.insight.att.com> <3354d491.1843063@news.sci.fi>
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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:16:27 GMT, Alan J. Flavell
> <flavell@mail.cern.ch> wrote:
> >>Oh, I wasn't aware that support for return-receipt was mandatory
> >>on the Internet.  Do you have a standards-track RFC that says it is?
> 
> The DSN RFCs do not standardize the Return-Receipt-To header.

I'm sorry, it was my mistake to use a form of words that suggested I was
referring specifically to the return-receipt-to header. 

What I had meant to say was, I wasn't aware that _any_ mechanism of mail
confirmation was mandatory, on the Internet.

Please accept my apologies for creating unintended confusion.


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I would really like it if you would send me some mail bomb software, not a
mial bomb because there is some stupid jerk named Sam iam95 that always does
it to me and i want to blow his ass away. thanks,
                                                   Jayman 14

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From: nadeem@yorku.ca (Nadeem Siddiqi)
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hi !

how can i configure pine to not display full machine name in the
message-id header ? 

i want it to give the message id as <123454asdetc@server>
instead of the default <123454asdetc@server.domain.com>

i am running pine 3.95 on linux 2.0.27/slackware 3.1

thanx

nadeem


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I had a similar problem with 3.95. I moved my .pinerc and let Pine
create a new one. It quit hanging, became fast again. Slowly I added
each feature that had been in my older rc file, and the hanging did
not return. I can only assume that the older rc file was corrupted. I
wish I had not set debug level to 0, or I would have had backup rc. 

harry

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Andreas Frick wrote:

> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> in pine 3.96 on my Sun pine often hangs, if a a program launched by pine 
> quits.  This affect viewers after displaying attachments and also pgp 
> after decoding a message. 3.95 seems not to have this problem.  Maybe it
> is caused by huge messages.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Andreas
> 
> -- 
> Andreas Frick                   | Phone:  ++49-721-608-4751
> AIFB at University of Karlsruhe | Fax:    ++49-721-693717
> D-76128 Karlsruhe, Germany      | E-mail: afr@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de
> 
> 


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Ok,
My name is ZAC and I use pine through Dialix but now each time I logon I
get the meassage "Disk quota exceded", It wont let me erace any addresses
in my address book or use the sent mail bit propely. As I write it says
"No room for file"
Could you please help.
Thank you.
ZAC


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In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.peterpatch.L.970421114242.1560A-100000@dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se>,
	Peter Karlsson <dat95pkn@idt.mdh.se> writes:
> Is it possible to get Pine to use ssh (secure shell, ueses encryption) 
> instead of rsh to access remote mail folders? I haven't found out how to
> do it.

You should realize that IMAP is not a shell process, therefore ssh has 
nothing to do with it.  To employ encryption schemes in Pine, the IMAP 
server must be hooked to the scheme.  I think Kerbero should be the
answer, and it is probably in the plans of future IMAP, if it is not 
already in operation.

Just my 2c.

Jie
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On 18 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:

> *** Thanks, Nancy -- this worked for me with WIndows 3.x, but it has no 
> effect with WIN 95 -- any other ideas?

In Windows 95, you don't set the timezone with the TZ environment
variable, but rather via its built-in timezone settings, accessible via
the Control Panel.

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yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan) writes:

>You should realize that IMAP is not a shell process, therefore ssh has 
>nothing to do with it.

Interesting to hear that. Nevertheless I use SSH with Pine every day :-)

There are two ways:

- protect your IMAP stream via SSH's port forwarding mechanism.
  
  I did this for several months and it worked fine. You can find my solution in
  the SSH contrib area, e.g. ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh/contrib/imap_sec.tgz. 
  
- use SSH instead of rsh to connect to the remote host and start (a so-called
  pre-authenticated) imapd there. This is the way I've been using pine for
  about a week and I would recommend it because login runs faster and you
  aren't asked for a password by pine. Of course, you must be allowed to start
  a shell on the remote host and you must set a reasonable value for
  "rsh-open-timeout" in .pinerc.

  Unfortunately "rsh" is hardcoded into pine. Therefore I modified the C
  sources a bit. Others replaced rsh by a shell script executing "ssh" when
  being called with the argument "/etc/rimapd". /etc/rimapd is the place where
  pine expects the remote imapd. This is a hardcoded string as well.

  To use ssh instead of rsh you can change the Makefile
  (./pine3.96/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile or
  ./pine3.96/imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile repectively).

  In my case I used: 

    RSH=ssh
	RSHPATH=/uni/global/bin/ssh

  To be able to change the RSHPATH and the requested service (/etc/rimapd by
  default) via the environment variables PINE_RSH and PINE_RIMAPD without
  recompiling pine I changed the function tcp_aopen() in
  .../c-client/tcp_unix.c:

  #if 0
        if (user && *user)    /* now run it */
      execl (RSHPATH,RSH,hostname,"-l",user,"exec",service,0);
        execl (RSHPATH,RSH,hostname,"exec",service,0);
  #else
      {
        char *prsh_path, *prsh, *primapd;
  
        if (prsh_path = getenv("PINE_RSH"))
        {
          if (prsh = strrchr(prsh_path, '/'))
          {
            prsh++;
          }
          else
          {
            prsh = prsh_path;
          }
        }
        else
        {
          prsh_path = RSHPATH;
          prsh = RSH;
        }
  
        if (!(primapd = getenv("PINE_RIMAPD")))
        {
          primapd = service;
        }
  
        if (user && *user)    /* now run it */
           execlp (prsh_path,prsh,hostname,"-l",user,"exec",primapd,0);
          execlp (prsh_path,prsh,hostname,"exec",primapd,0);
      }
  #endif

  A better way to change these values would be config options in .pinerc
  but the little hack was much easier to accomplish.


>To employ encryption schemes in Pine, the IMAP server must be hooked to the
>scheme.

Not correct. As shown above you can use SSH absolutely tansparently to imapd.

>I think Kerbero should be the answer, and it is probably in the plans
>of future IMAP, if it is not already in operation.

I don't intend to compare SSH with Kerberos, but Kerberos is not needed in
order to securely access your mail box via IMAP with Pine.


Holger

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=09Hi all,

=09Assume a list containing 200 addresses. I want to forward an
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=09want that all the recipients can read the names and
=09addresses of the 200 persons on the list. Is there a
=09way to avoid rhis ??

=09TIA

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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Peter Karlsson wrote:

> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:47:08 +0200
> From: Peter Karlsson <dat95pkn@idt.mdh.se>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Correcting Time Zone
> 
> On 18 Apr 1997, Sara Barnett wrote:
> 
> > *** Thanks, Nancy -- this worked for me with WIndows 3.x, but it has no 
> > effect with WIN 95 -- any other ideas?
> 
> In Windows 95, you don't set the timezone with the TZ environment
> variable, but rather via its built-in timezone settings, accessible via
> the Control Panel.

In my case, the timezone seetings have been set, (in WinNT 4.0) and are
accurrate for all applications, except Pine.  It seems that Pine ignores
the tz settings from the control panel.

Catherine


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Does anyone know how to send an attached file in C-shell of unix ?

Thanks1

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[Don't you just hate receiving messages where the signature is longer than
the actual text of the message? ;-]

Yep, there is a way of suppressing the recipients' e-mail addresses; the
exact mechanism depends on the version of Pine you are using (it's easier
in 3.93 onwards).

You didn't bother to mention your version of Pine, but from the Message-Id
header of your message I'm presuming it's 3.95.  In which case...

1.  Start composing your message.

2.  Put cursor on any header line.

3.  Type ^R (Rich Headers) to see al the available headers.

4.  Put cursor on the "Lcc:" header and ask Pine for help by typing ^G
    (Get Help).  Repeat for "Bcc:".

5.  Use whichever is appropriate for you.

Cheers,

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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Jean Schuller wrote:

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> =09Assume a list containing 200 addresses. I want to forward an
> =09mail to all the peoples on this list but I don't
> =09want that all the recipients can read the names and
> =09addresses of the 200 persons on the list. Is there a
> =09way to avoid rhis ??
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Hi

We are running the pre-compiled Pine 3.93 for HP-UX 9.* together with
HP's PHNE_8370 'cumulative Sendmail patch'.

We have encountered errors in the BASE64 encoded MIME attachments
when sending a mail through the local Unix machine's Sendmail daemon.
This results is corrupted attachments seen as an irregular pattern 
in the BASE64 -code (some code lines longer than expected).
It is not possible to decode these mail's.

BUT, if the same mail is sent via Sendmail on another HP-UX box 
(identical Sendmail config. & "smtp-server=" activated), the 
transmission is error-free.

In both cases, the encoded mail stored in the 'sent-mail' -folder
looks ok.

Any suggestions ?


Best regards

Lars Hoel

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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Nancy McGough wrote:
>
>  Word to search for [] :
>  ^G Help     ^X Select Matches ^Y First Msg
>  ^C Cancel  Ret Accept         ^V Last Msg
>
>  [ ... ]
> 
> Unfortunately, I can't think of a better
> UI right now.

I just thought of a UI that's maybe more clear.  What do you think
of this:

  Text to search for [] :
  ^G Help     ^X Select Msgs Matching Text  ^Y First Msg
  ^C Cancel  Ret Next Msg Matching Text     ^V Last Msg


Reasons this might be more clear:

* "Text" is better than "Word" because some people might
  think that "Word" means you can't include spaces.  ("String"
  would probably be best but lots of people wouldn't understand
  that!)

* Using the word "Msg" in the last four choices helps
  to make it clear what the difference between them is.

* Using the phrase "Matching Text" in the second two makes
  it clear that those two (and only those two) depend on the
  search text.

Just a suggestion!
Nancy 


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When we try to print to a LaserWriter on an ethernet network all is well
until a message sent by a person using Windows 95 and MS Exchange comes
through.  Then, presumably because Exchange uses no ansi characters (?),
our Macs simply hang forever.  This occurs, we think, irrespective of
the type of Mac (we're using 68040 and PowerPC) Macs, and printing to
various LaserWriters.  Anybody else have the problem?  Any solutions? 
Thanks in advance.  Reply to me or to group.

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Subject: pine and winnt3.51 and netcon
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Can I get a version of PINE to work on my WINNT3.51  O/S PC at home?
This PC is connected to the internet via NETCOM and currently uses
NETSCAPE to access my mail.  Can I use pine to do the same thing?
Also, can PINE accept my saved mail files and address books that were
generated under netscape and netcome protocols?

Thanks.

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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Lars Hoel wrote:

> We are running the pre-compiled Pine 3.93 for HP-UX 9.* together with
> HP's PHNE_8370 'cumulative Sendmail patch'.
> 
> We have encountered errors in the BASE64 encoded MIME attachments
> when sending a mail through the local Unix machine's Sendmail daemon.
> This results is corrupted attachments seen as an irregular pattern 
> in the BASE64 -code (some code lines longer than expected).
> It is not possible to decode these mail's.
> 
> BUT, if the same mail is sent via Sendmail on another HP-UX box 
> (identical Sendmail config. & "smtp-server=" activated), the 
> transmission is error-free.

There was a known problem with lengthy attachments in Pine 3.93, were
timing was a critical issue (the EINTR problem for the knowledgeably
curious). This can also explain why changing the Sendmail server "appears" 
to fix the problem (due to faster/slower transport). 

> In both cases, the encoded mail stored in the 'sent-mail' -folder
> looks ok.

This is in accordance to the bug just mentioned, as are the code lines
that are longer than expected. The data gets corrupted in the loop that
feeds sendmail, so all local copies of the message remain in tact.

> Any suggestions ?

You probably guessed it by now: upgrading to the latest version of Pine
(currently 3.96) should fix your problems. 

Best regards,

- Richard Gering.

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Hello,

I have recently found that I have need to restrict a user rather hard.
I do want to allow him telnet access .. but just access to pine ..
therefor I would like to put pine as this users shell .. easy .. bu what
if this user tries to open up a subshell?? .. if everything is okey .. he
will open up another version of pine .. but I want to disable the use of
subshells .. even if those are (almost) harmless ..

I would also want him to only be able to send mail to a certain user on
the system .. I could accomplish that by modify the sendit.sh but is there
another way todo it so that the user knows that he can't send mail to
other adresses than just this user .. 

But the rest of the features should be set as usual ..

Could anyone of you help me .. or should I go and UTSL ??


Thanks
/Emil


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Does anyone know how to change the reply-to field in pine?

That is, changing the name as well as the domain. (you can change the
domain easily by setting "user-domain")

Is it possible??  Or does it get the user name from the password file...

Thanks,

Victor Cheung

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Kelly,
  It appears that the timestamp isn't getting entered into the
.addressbook.lu file correctly for some reason. The timestamp is the first
number on the last like of the .lu file and should be comparable to the
file_mtime number it is being compared to

> lu is out of date: timestamp=48 file_mtime=861301801

If you would, run "pine -d9" and access your address book. Then send the
debug file to me and I'll see what I can see. Thanks.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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I searched all the help files, all the manuals... and my question is:

Is the PINE program capable of add a Reply-to: field, as other
mail programs?

Thanks for your help,

Rafael Bayona
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AIESEC Colombia 


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When the contents in the Global Address Book is updated, running pine 3.96
still shows old contents.  If pine is restarted, updated address book
contents are reflected in pine.

Question:
Is there a way to get a running pine session to reload the new global
address book contents?

Research:
Does this affect user address book as well?

Pine info:
Ver 3.96 running on SunOS 4.1.4 2 sun4m.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Mark Crispin wrote:

I have another wish (which I don't know if it's included in any list), and
that is the possibility to use name macros in, for example, the
customized-headers. I would like to have a customized header sort of like
this one:

	X-Comment-To: %N

where %N would expand to the name of the person who sent the original
message. This to make it easier to read message areas gated from Fidonet,
now I have to fill in the header contents manually (or patch the source
code, but that's a bit harder...)

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hi !

how can i configure pine to show only part of the machine name i nthe
message-id header, instead of complete address ?

i would like message-id to appear as: <1234@mail>
instead of <1234@mail.domain.com>

am using pine 3.95 on linux 2.0.27/slackware 3.1

thanx

nadeem

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On 20 Apr 1997, Nadeem Siddiqi wrote:
> how can i configure pine to not display full machine name in the
> message-id header ? 
> 
> i want it to give the message id as <123454asdetc@server>
> instead of the default <123454asdetc@server.domain.com>

You shouldn't do this.

The Message ID is not something that is supposed to be pretty; it is
something that is supposed to be unique.  If you use a non-unique name to
the right of the "@", then there is a small, but non-zero, chance that you
will duplicate a name generated by some other machine that happens to have
the same name.

Certain individuals have argued that the RFCs require that the Message-ID
be a fully-qualified domain name that is known to the Domain Name System
and matches the system which generated the message.  There isn't, in fact,
any such requirement (it requires jumping to a lot of conclusions to say
that there is), but it is undeniably the convention to do this.  In other
words, it's an option, but a "mandatory option"...  ;-)

-- Mark --

Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.


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On 17 Apr 1997, Christopher Hicks wrote:

> Windows 3.1 doesn't support CLI apps using winsock at all. 

Correct.

> The support in Win95 is a pain.  (Look at Quake.) 

No, not really. Quake is a special case, since it runs a Win32 "server"
and a DOS program as "client". You can run Win32 programs directly in
charactermode and access the Winsock, look at Lynx/Win32.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Zsolt Gere-Kiss wrote:

> Then tell me: why should I be connected with the news server in order to
> compose a message ? 

Because Pine has not yet added a feature to read mail/news offline?

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your original post, I just thought that you
hadn't found out how to write news messages at all, except for replying to
other's.

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You can add a "Reply-to:" header by using Pine's Setup Configuration
screen, and setting up an appropriate value for the "customized-hdrs"
variable.  For example, I have mine set as follows:

    customized-hdrs  = Reply-to:
                       Followup-to:

which adds two new headers -- Reply-to: and Followup-to: -- to the headers
available for me to use.

If you want to supply a default value for one of them just put it after
the ":".  For example:

    customized-hdrs  = Reply-to: Wonko the Sane <wonko@zob.magicland.edu>
                       Followup-to:

Cheers,

-- 
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PS...

Normally I would send a my reply direct to you, with a copy to the list at
large.  This ensures you receive it as soon as possible and don't miss it. 
However I see little reason why I should have to fight your forged
"anti-spam" return address in order to help you: especially as you don't
seem to give a valid return address _anywhere_ in your query.

Such endeavours may reduce spam-content to you, but they can also
discourage some people (like myself) from trying to help you as well. 

Just my opinion.


On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Victor Cheung wrote:

> Does anyone know how to change the reply-to field in pine?
> 
> That is, changing the name as well as the domain. (you can change the
> domain easily by setting "user-domain")
> 
> Is it possible??  Or does it get the user name from the password file...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Victor Cheung
> 




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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Mark Crispin wrote:

> The Message ID is not something that is supposed to be pretty; it is
> something that is supposed to be unique.  If you use a non-unique name to
> the right of the "@", then there is a small, but non-zero, chance that you
> will duplicate a name generated by some other machine that happens to have
> the same name.

Agreed... but is it really necessary for the Message-Id generated by Pine
to be _quite_ so long?

We're seeing problems with Usenet News, where lengthy conversational
threads have hugely long "References:" lines building up very quickly.
This seems to cause severe problems for some of our other news software
(Tin, for one, doesn't like such long lines).

Cheers,

-- 
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On 21 Apr 1997, Jie Yuan wrote:

> You should realize that IMAP is not a shell process, therefore ssh has 
> nothing to do with it.  

Well, Pine does start up some rsh:s on this end:

 4855   1 S     0:02 pine
 4857   1 S     0:00 rsh bilbo.mdh.se -l dat95pkn exec /etc/rimapd
 4858   1 S     0:00 rsh bilbo.mdh.se -l dat95pkn exec /etc/rimapd

and it was that rsh that I would like to change to ssh. The sshd doesn't
need a shell, afaik.

-- 
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On 8 Apr 1997, Michael Douglass wrote:
> Would it not be wise to also fix the flawed code as well?  The booby
> trap is nice, but sometimes the mice can get around the trap and retrieve
> the cheese anyways! :)

This is what happened in imap-4.1.

The particular flaw was one of "function does not check to see if an
argument is ridiculously long".  That particular function, however, exists
in many variants, not all of which are distributed from here.  So, it was
faster/easier to put in the size validity check in front of the function
call than it was to try to fix all versions of the function.

In imap-4.1, that function's interface changed, so there wasn't the same
cost in rewriting/testing it as there was in Pine 3.96 (which was a
maintenance no-new-function release just to get out critical patches). 

-- Mark --

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On 21 Apr 1997 00:37:21 -0700, Zac Moulton <angus@curie.dialix.com.au> wrote:
>Ok,
>My name is ZAC and I use pine through Dialix but now each time I logon I
>get the meassage "Disk quota exceded", It wont let me erace any addresses
>in my address book or use the sent mail bit propely. As I write it says
>"No room for file"
>Could you please help.

Hi Zac,

Contrary to what appears to be common belief, this isn't really a problem with
Pine. What it actually means is, (well I'm sure you must have guessed by now),
that you've exceeded you disk quota. Delete files from your alloted space,
until you get back under quota. Best stuff to delete, of course, are large
files you might have ftp'd from various places.

Hope that helps...

-- 
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On 18 Apr 1997 12:23:08 -0700, Jeanette Godreau <h8ox@unb.ca> wrote:
>My program (or what ever) has recently been changed and I cannot get my
>mail now.  I was wondering if you could help me, I don't think that I can
>receive mail so please send anything to x1cu@unb.ca  I will get the mail
>from her.  I keep loggng on and getting a "Inbox open Read onlt message
>and it dosen't tell me what to do.  Do you know any reasons why this would
>be happening and how I can fix this problem, also where is my mail going?

Hi, I'm sorry I don't have a 'hey! just {insert simple fix-all command here},
and everything will be right back to normal!'

I wanted to suggest, though, that you contact the system administrators, (or
maybe better to find a help desk or some such), at your site. They'll probably
be better equipped to help you.

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>From : Dr.Ali Mehilba  ( MD )
P.O.Box 861 Alexandria / EGYPT
Fax : 0020-3-5460705    . Tels : 5452414 / 5452441 / 5452455
e-mail : andalus@dataxpres.com.eg
19/04/97 02:48 PM

Dear Friend,
	           I have the pleasure to introduce myself as an 
Egyptian enjoying to have friends everywhere .
I was born in Alexandria { March 5 , 1952 }
I started writing poems and songs as early as 9 years old.

I was graduated from the medical college in Alex.and then I have my 
postgraduate studies in Psychiatry .
I was lucky enough to study Alternative Medicine In The Far East and 
have degrees in HYPNOTHERAPY which is now for me second to non .
Medicine is my hobby as I have my family company running well.
I will be happy to have you as a friend as I am traveling frequently 
and 
you will be my guest whenever you come to Egypt.

I will be happy to have you as a friend as I am traveling frequently 
and 
you will be my guest whenever you come to Egypt.

I would like to start teaching HYPNOTHERAPY through INTERNET
as a Tool for Relaxation and / or Part Time Career .
Im also considering helping friends to cope with stress through 
INTERNET 

I appreciate your comments on those subjects and I appreciate if you 
circulate that letter among few friends and let me have the feedback.  
    

Wishing you all the best ,I remain ,
Yours Faithfully ,
Ali

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In article <5jgoij$11c@wiznet.wiznet.net>,
Blackout <Blackout@wizlink.net> spammed comp.mail.pine. Since I've been
labeled a 'rogue canceller' by certain parties, I'll try to resist the
impulse to do anything about this, and let you, the reader, take care of
the problem in your own way.


If you'd like to complain about this SPAM, which appeared in many other
newsgroups, here are the contact addresses for the originator and his ISP:

	blackout@wizlink.net
	repstein@WIZNET.NET
	safwat@WIZNET.NET
	rick@wiznet.net


On the subject of e-mail, their mail servers seem to be all back in the
dark ages with Sendmail 8.7.5 (no hint of what version of Pine they run,
if any). The above addresses are the ones I've verified as working, or
the registered names from Internic.

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On 21 Apr 1997 17:15:11 -0700,
Rafael Bayona <rebayona@pollux.javeriana.edu.co> wrote:
>
>I searched all the help files, all the manuals... and my question is:
>
>Is the PINE program capable of add a Reply-to: field, as other
>mail programs?

See the customized headers online help from the (S)etup, (C)onfig menu.

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How can I configure Pine to save a copy of messages I send?  Where are those
messages saved?  Thank you for any information.
Brenda Johnson
johnson@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu

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Hi Brenda:

By default, PINE should be saving your sent mail, unless you've told it
not to do so.

To check this out, from the main menu press "L".  You'll get your folder
list.  From there, you also may have to press enter to expand your folder
list.  Either way, you should see folders named "INBOX", "sent-mail",
"saved-messages", and perhaps others.

Arrow or tab over to the "sent-mail" folder and press enter.  In there
*should* be copies of all your mail that you've sent to others.  Navigate
as usual. 

If none of this appears, or is different than stated here, talk to your
system or mail admin, or your school's "help desk" and have them help you
reconfigure your setup and/or folders.  Worst case, feel free to write
back, and we can help you out....

Cheers,


Robert J. Wilshe
rwilshe@ais.net


On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 JOHNSON@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU wrote:

> How can I configure Pine to save a copy of messages I send?  Where are those
> messages saved?  Thank you for any information.
> Brenda Johnson
> johnson@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu
> 




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References: <Pine.ULT.4.00.970416130439.6009C-100000@shiva2.cac.washington.edu> <1997Apr1921.17.17.627@koobera.math.uic.edu> <5jenh2$fqq$1@Venus.mcs.net> <1997Apr2119.46.13.18667@koobera.math.uic.edu>
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In article <1997Apr2119.46.13.18667@koobera.math.uic.edu>,
D. J. Bernstein <djb@koobera.math.uic.edu> wrote:
>
>In article <5jenh2$fqq$1@Venus.mcs.net>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
>> If you are trying to notify someone on the road about a meeting change,
>> etc. it is nice to know that the message made it as far as their
>> laptop.
>
>Well, the de jure standards don't help you here.

Yes, it is just curious that the standards have lagged so far behind
commercial needs and availability, almost as though someone had a
vested interest in keeping standards based mailers from being
suitable for business use.  My current system had an adequate
mechanism for a good 10 years with per-recipient requests in header
lines that are just ignored by other mailers. 

>To get the job done with qmail, simply set up an appropriate qreceipt
>invocation in ~/.qmail on the laptop, and have the sender put the right
>address into N-R-U-D-T. As soon as the message is delivered (e.g., via
>fetchmail), qreceipt will generate a success notice, which will be sent
>out immediately.

Errr, the remote systems are running Ms-windows, msdos, and I think
there is a mac or two somewhere.  I really need to have it done as
the remote client grabs the message via POP or IMAP.

>If the POP mailbox is also on a qmail machine, you can set up qreceipt
>there too. Then the sender can ask for a receipt for delivery to the POP
>box or a receipt for delivery to the laptop. Or both.

In this situation it only makes sense to generate the notification as
it is picked up from the POP box since the receiver is most likely
to go off-line before anything else happens.  The situation would
be a bit more ambiguous with IMAP but still you know if the client
machine has the message.  Do any POP/IMAP servers know about N-R-U-D-T?

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: "Mario L. Gonzales" <mario@acpub.duke.edu>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
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I have a user that is encountering no-op dead stream error messages. I
assume it is the
IMAPd loosing connection or something very similar, but I cannot be
sure.

at first  I thought it was the user of an editor that was taking too
long, but the user
says he does not user an alternate editor.

Suggestions?

	thanks,

			Mario
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hi,


i use a Mac (actually a clone, but the same problem happened on my old
mac). 

i telnet to my ISP and use pine. 

the problem that i run into constantly is that if i reply to a message and
include the original text in the message the message that i type types
over the included message (instead of shifting it down a line when i hit
return the cursor moves into the message. )

i asked everyone at the ISP about this problem but no one had an answer. 

is there any way to fix this ? 

thanks

john


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That is really strange... Have you set you Mac Telnet program
properly?

I've used Nifty Telnet for Macintosh and log onto a Unix
box and use Pine all the time w/o problems...

Andrew


On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Johnny wrote:

> hi,
> 
> 
> i use a Mac (actually a clone, but the same problem happened on my old
> mac). 
> 
> i telnet to my ISP and use pine. 
> 
> the problem that i run into constantly is that if i reply to a message and
> include the original text in the message the message that i type types
> over the included message (instead of shifting it down a line when i hit
> return the cursor moves into the message. )
> 
> i asked everyone at the ISP about this problem but no one had an answer. 
> 
> is there any way to fix this ? 
> 
> thanks
> 
> john
> 
> 



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I don't know about your telnet client, but I've seen similar problems on 
dial-ups using Z-term.  In that case, the screen size didn't match the 
default screen size in pine.  With the version of Z-term my user had, 
screen size was set using the adjustment bars.

My first guess is that you are one line off.


On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Johnny wrote:

> 
> i telnet to my ISP and use pine. 
> 
> the problem that i run into constantly is that if i reply to a message and
> include the original text in the message the message that i type types
> over the included message (instead of shifting it down a line when i hit
> return the cursor moves into the message. )
> 
> i asked everyone at the ISP about this problem but no one had an answer. 
> 
> is there any way to fix this ? 
> 
> thanks
> 
> john
> 
> 

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Yes, you need to set your terminal window to be 80 x 25. (stretch
the window up to the edge of 81 x 26 and then back off a bit
until you get 80 x 25.... that's a little trick I learned...

Andrew



On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Joe Pollock wrote:

> I don't know about your telnet client, but I've seen similar problems on 
> dial-ups using Z-term.  In that case, the screen size didn't match the 
> default screen size in pine.  With the version of Z-term my user had, 
> screen size was set using the adjustment bars.
> 
> My first guess is that you are one line off.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Johnny wrote:
> 
> > 
> > i telnet to my ISP and use pine. 
> > 
> > the problem that i run into constantly is that if i reply to a message and
> > include the original text in the message the message that i type types
> > over the included message (instead of shifting it down a line when i hit
> > return the cursor moves into the message. )
> > 
> > i asked everyone at the ISP about this problem but no one had an answer. 
> > 
> > is there any way to fix this ? 
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> 

Andrew Le           (206) 254-9925 phone
Casabyte LLC        http://www.casabyte.com
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I renamed my address book and now I do not know how to get to it.  Can you help?
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sMFor some reason my email address is returning all mail sent to me but it
alallows me to send mail without any problem. My address is
bet0t03431@acad.suffolk.edu. I do not know if this is your problem to
sololve, but in
te pine help I found this address for bugs. I would appriciate any efforts
me 		  		 Thank you,
				  Fiorella Bettaglio


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Hi

My son is in the 4th grade in Burrillville, Rhode Island and is doing a
school project about the effects of boiling bark and what effect it has on
rusting.  While at elementary school my wife spoke to a biologist and he said
that of all the barks tested ( oak, birch and pine) the pine would have an
effect on the rusting process.  He stated that the pine has a
chemical/charastic in the bark that would probally coat the metal called
"silva."  I've been sufing the net tonight and have found nothing about
"silva."  

Would you kindly point me in the right direction to gain some information
about the effects of silva and pine barks charastics.

Thanks in advance for your help

Rick

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after you start the mail program on vms you must
specify the forwarding address like this.

first type set forward
then  type "mx%""name@where-ever"""

You need all the " and the mx%.  Don't 
ask me why.  I just live here.  I usually
use UNIX but have a vms account as well.
I use once in a while.

annette schoenberger
annette@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu

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	I was expecting a rather urgent message when (using Pine 1.91 
under Linux 1.2.13) I got the infamous error:

Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
Exiting pine.


...and no .pine-crash file was created.  Is there any way this could have 
prevented a new message from getting written to my mail-spool file?

  As I mentioned, it is VERY important that I know, so I would really 
appreciate a reply.  Thanks in advance.  (I already searched the archives 
but found nothing that answers this specific question.)


                                        :Matthew A. Gruenke

              (work: mgruenke@iced.com      or (617) 768-2300 ext. 1958)
     (Personal/Home: mattman@i-lose.mit.edu or (617) 266-4010)

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On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Matthew Gruenke wrote:

> 	I was expecting a rather urgent message when (using Pine 1.91 


oops...  I mean pine v3.91

...also, the subject should read:

     Re: can 'Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal"' prevent me
     from receiving a new message? 



                                        :Matthew A. Gruenke

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     (Personal/Home: mattman@i-lose.mit.edu or (617) 266-4010)


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From: "School of Education" <bob@purdue.edu>
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Subject: Re: Pine 3.95 & IMAP
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We have always had a problem with IMAP being very slow via modem.  We have
had the problem with Embla and PC Pine.  Does anyone know of a way to speed
up IMAP via modem?  I'm running IMAPbeta4.1 and AIX 4.2.  Thanks.

--Robert Evans
Coord. Tech. Svc.
School of Ed
Purdue University
bob@purdue.edu


Charles Risko <crisko@ntmail.raritanval.edu> wrote in article
<335C5CC7.401D@ntmail.raritanval.edu>...
> Were running Pine 3.95 on a Sun Sparc 20 and
> use it as a client to connect to our IMAP
> server which is running Netscape Mail server
> on Windows NT 3.51 OS.  Were seeming to have
> performance problems.  It's taking 30 seconds
> for Pine to connect to the IMAP server.  When
> using a POP mail client it connects right away.
> It seems to be only on our UNIX system that were
> having the problem... Any ideas?
> 
> Charles Risko
> Network Specialist
> Raritan Valley Community College
> Email: crisko@rvcc.raritanval.edu
> 

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On 22 Apr 1997 17:48:23 -0700,
Scott R. Hamaguchi  <srhamagu@ea.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>hello,
>	I get a message that I'm over my disk quota, and I need to delete
>files.  How do I go about doing this?  What happens if I don't do this?
>I've gone through all of my folders and I have deleted all the letters
>that I don't want to save, but I still get the message.  I don't want to
>lose the letters that I have saved, but I do want to delete some of that
>overloaded disk space.  Please let me know how to do this.  It says
>something about "/u10".  My identification is "srhamagu," and my e-mail
>address is srhamagu@uci.edu.  Please help me get rid of this problem, or
>tell me who to contact to do so.  Thank you

You should contact the computing services, (or whatever your school might call
them), department at your school. They probably have some sort of help desk,
staffed by folks who can help with this problem.

-- 
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Albert Hardy (hardy002@mc.duke.edu) wrote:
: I'm not a Pine user.  My sister needs to know how to compose a message
: off-line (as in a Windows Notepad or DOS .TXT file, for example) and
: then include it into a message in Pine or (second choice), attach it to
: a Pine message.
: Thanks for the help or pointer to the FAQ.
: Albert Hardy

Albert, tell your sister that when she chooses to compose a message in
Pine, she'll see in the options at the bottom of the screen a choice to
'Read File' by hitting [ctl]+r. (that's listed in the options as ^R)

Once she hits [ctl]+r, she'll see another option at the bottom of the
screen, [ctl]+t, (listed as ^T) and this option is called 'go to files'.
By doing that, she'll start up Pine's disk browser, 'Pilot', where she
can use the highlight bar to maneuver her way through the directories,
highlight the file she'd like to insert into her text, and hit [enter].

I hope this is what you were looking for.

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On 22 Apr 1997 <somebody> wrote:

> How can I configure Pine to save a copy of messages I send?  Where are those
> messages saved?  Thank you for any information.

    Starting from the Main Menu, get into the configuration and please
read the online help.  Sorry to be so blunt, but when all else fails,
have you read the accompanying instructions first?

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COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION ON SLAVERY THAT YOU HAVE.
MY DAUGHTER IS DOING A REPORT ON THE SUBJECT AND COULD USE INFO ON THE
FOLLOWING:
        1)WHERE AND HOW DID THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY BEGIN IN THE UNITED
STATES?
        2)WHAT WAS LIFE LIKE FOR A SLAVE ON A PLANTATION?
        3)WHO AND HOW DID THE ABOLITION MOVEMENT AFFECT THE INSTITUTION OF
SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATED?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP,
PAUL


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Is there a simple way I can create an address book that has every user
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Greetings,

Recently you answered a message on the pine discussion list for someone
who had a problem with their inbox because they had another Pine session
running and the lockfile prevented write access. Well, I get this message:

[Can't open mailbox lock, access is readonly]

And I am absolutely positive that there is no other pine process running
on the entire system. /var/lock, /var/mail, /var/spool/locks and
/usr/spool/locks (just a symlink anyhow) contain nothing. I killed every
process running under the uid in question (including the shell process),
then logged back in... to no avail. This has me absolutely baffled. 

Please reply via email ONLY as I am not subscribed to the pine-info list.
(or the usenet newsgroup)
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[Posted and mailed]

In article <335D4A58.41C6@seas.ucla.edu>,
	Hong Zhang <hongz@seas.ucla.edu> writes:
> HI all,
> 
> I just configured the Pine with PGP as input and output filter. It
> works greatly. Here is my question: How can I encrypt my folds, say
> "sent-mail"  ? I don't want anyone who break into my account find 
> out my mail in mail/.. readable.  I want to encript "sent-mail" and
> other folds with my secret key, so that no one but myself can read
> the mail.
> 
> Is it possible to do it in current PINE 3.96 or need to modify the
> code to achieve this ?

I am not sure if this can be done by Pine, but I think you can create 
some work-arounds under Unix.

For example, you can implement a scheme to automatically encrypt the
sent-mail after you quit Pine, and decrypt it before Pine is launched.
You have to keep your secret key secure though.  Any automatic scheme
has some holes  ... :-)

Just my 2c.

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. of Cincinnati - Dept. of Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575 = 513-558-2352 = x-1169 (fax) ==
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== PGP key: finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu                      ==

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paul <paulfish@ici.net> writes:

> COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION ON SLAVERY THAT YOU HAVE.
> MY DAUGHTER IS DOING A REPORT ON THE SUBJECT AND COULD USE INFO ON THE
> FOLLOWING:
>         1)WHERE AND HOW DID THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY BEGIN IN THE UNITED
> STATES?
Slavery began a few years ago with the ascendancy of the Wintel
platform.  Before Wintel, the world was a happy place.  People used
whatever type of computer they wanted, and were able to use programs
that were small, efficient, and relatively bug free!  It was a happy time.

>         2)WHAT WAS LIFE LIKE FOR A SLAVE ON A PLANTATION?
Happily, though my computer does have an Intel processor, and though
two of the partitions contain MS products (95 & NT), my primary OS is
Solaris, so I don't have to experience slavery that often.

>         3)WHO AND HOW DID THE ABOLITION MOVEMENT AFFECT THE INSTITUTION OF
> SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATED?
If you're talking about the Justive Department, well, they didn't
quite succeed (or at least not yet - knock on wood).  They gave up
after getting a consent decree that didn't really do anything.  As for
the future, one can only hope

> 
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP,
> PAUL

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Please take a look at my pages about PICO and PINE:

	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pico/
	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/

Additions, corrections, etc are most welcome!

Sven

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From: SpamSolution@RealAddress.IsBelow.com (Gururajan Ramachandran)
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Hello,

I use pine 3.95 over a dialup line to a remote POP3 server.
While pine can see the messages and lets me access them, it
frequently returns "connection broken ... access error" messages.
I have to keep going in and out of pine to read the messags.

Is this a pine problem or a POP3 problem?

Does anybody know how I can improve this situation?

The pine program I use is on a linux system.

Thanks you.

Guru

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JOHNSON@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU wrote:
: How can I configure Pine to save a copy of messages I send?  Where are those
: messages saved?  Thank you for any information.
: Brenda Johnson
: johnson@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu

I go through the long winded and slightly un-fiendly practice of Bcc to
myself, then filtering all my incoming mail through procmail, so that any
mail I send to xyz@wherever.com is saved with all the mail from
xyz@wherever.com.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Sheung-Fan Wen wrote:

> When the contents in the Global Address Book is updated, running pine 3.96
> still shows old contents.  If pine is restarted, updated address book
> contents are reflected in pine.

When you're using an address book, parts of it will already be in memory
and cached. Other parts will already have been read off of the disk and
cached by the operating system's standard I/O system. When pine uses an
entry from the address book that isn't cached it does a simple consistency
check to see that the nickname it is looking for (at a certain offset in
the file) is really at the start of a line. If it isn't, it does the
"resyncing" address book thing. If that happens you will get the updated
contents. Also, whenever you start pine the resyncing happens
automatically, so that explains why restarting pine fixes it.
 
> Question:
> Is there a way to get a running pine session to reload the new global
> address book contents?

Here's one thing you could do, though it is very clumsy. It's probably
easier to restart pine. 

Go into the Setup/Config screen and find the addrbook-sort-rule. Change
it with the '*' key. Now exit the config screen and say "No" when it asks
if you want to commit the changes (because you didn't really want to
change the addrbook-sort-rule). If it makes you feel safer, you could
change the sort rule back before exiting. This will cause the new
address book data to be noticed.

> Research:
> Does this affect user address book as well?

Yup, same thing there but it is unusual for your personal address book to
be changed since you would usually be the one who changes it. But if you
changed it externally or with another copy of pine, the same thing happens. 

> Pine info:
> Ver 3.96 running on SunOS 4.1.4 2 sun4m.
> 
>  From the desk of Sheung . . .
> 
>  -+~'`^`'~+-,._.,-+~'`^`'~+-,._.,-+~'`^`'~+-,._.,-+~'`^`'~+-eos.
>    Views expressed here may not reflect those of my employer.
>       No unsolicited messages/spam to the involved parties
>           in this message.  <http://www.vix.com/spam/>

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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From: osct@access.usa.net (Robin Cordova/Open Systems Consulting and Training Inc)
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On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

>   Use the Bcc and Lcc fields in the header. See relevant help within pine
>   (just press ^R to get a rich header, go on the Bcc and Lcc lines and
>   press help)
> 
> 
and Jeff Douglas wrote:
> - From the FAQ:                                                          
>                                                                          
>  How do I send a message to multiple recipients without showing         
>  all their names?                                                       
>                                                                         
>  In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message             
>  headers area, press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the             
>  context-sensitive help screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.           
>                                                                         
>                                                                         
>Basically stick the list name in the Lcc: field instead of               
>the To: field.                                                           

But when I try this for my list "Open Systems" nick=office, I get an
error:
  POSTING ERRORS Result: (USER) unknown user name in "Open Systems: ;"

and then:
  [Posting program /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -t returned error]

If I delete the To: line contents, I get similar results except the
unknown user name is the "Undisclosed recipients" default value. 

The list works fine when it is entered on the To: line.  The result prior
to the error looks just like the context sensitive help advertises.

This is a SCO Open Server Enterprise 5.0.2 system using mmdf as the MTA,
if that makes a difference.

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From: sunil@nad.telco.com (Sunil Vallamkonda)
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Hello,


I looked at the www site for pine, but could get find info on the following.
I use pine a lot, so any info on this topic is appreciated.

>From pine, I know how to add a customized header such as: Reply-to:

But, my question is, how do I change the headers to customize, viz;

From:
Sender:


Thank you.

Sunil.

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On 23 Apr 1997, Lou Rinaldi wrote on comp.mail.pine (excerpt):

> Please reply via email ONLY as I am not subscribed to the pine-info list.
> (or the usenet newsgroup)

    Many people on numerous newsgroups are not enthusiastic about this
attitude.  If you aren't interested in sticking around long enough to
hear an answer, why should anybody take the time to hunt you down? 
These newsgroups are GROUPS, not private message services.  If you want
an answer from a newsgroup, you should at least have the courtesy to
subscribe long enough to wait for a response and not expect regular
participants to be at your personal beck and call.

Paul Bartlett                    <pobart@access.digex.net>
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From: orjanjo@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Personal name in 3.95
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In article <5jkrqk$c1p$1@news.inc.net>,
Robert D Johnson <johns011@uwp.edu> wrote:
>
>Just recently, we upgraded to a new AIX system, with Pine 3.95.  It took a
>lot of tweaking to set other things back to the right setup, but it's
>almost totally back- except for one thing.  I changed personal-name in
>.pinerc, and it works fine for posting to newsgroups.  However, sending
>personal e-mail, it still uses what's in /etc/passwd and not my
>personal-name.

As far as I know, there is no difference in pine between news and mail 
in this case. So my guess is that your problem is elsewhere:

Many mail transfer agents (those programs that pass on mail after pine 
has delivered a message to them) can be set up to check the 
/etc/passwd or similar file and to rewrite the address they are 
sending from. They do that here at math.ntnu.no, I have noticed.

The reason is that many mail programs, unlike pine, will insert no 
information other than the cryptic username, and so this is really 
intended to be helpful. I suppose it may also sometimes be used as a 
weak anti-forgery measure.

What you could try to do instead is to use a program called 'chfn'.  
(For 'change full name', I believe.) This program will usually allow 
you to change certain information about yourself such as personal 
name. This will affect (more or less) all UNIX programs, not just 
pine.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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In article <335C5CC7.401D@ntmail.raritanval.edu>,
Charles Risko  <crisko@ntmail.raritanval.edu> wrote:
>performance problems.  It's taking 30 seconds
>for Pine to connect to the IMAP server.  When

Pine is first trying "rsh", which can take a while. To disable it, 
change the inbox-path to {imap.server.yourplace.edu:143}inbox

Alternatively, you could enable it properly by allowing rsh access 
from known machines to the rimapd program. That way people don't need 
to use passwords each time they log in to the mail server.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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Were running Pine 3.95 on a Sun Sparc 20 and
use it as a client to connect to our IMAP
server which is running Netscape Mail server
on Windows NT 3.51 OS.  Were seeming to have
performance problems.  It's taking 30 seconds
for Pine to connect to the IMAP server.  When
using a POP mail client it connects right away.
It seems to be only on our UNIX system that were
having the problem... Any ideas?

Charles Risko
Network Specialist
Raritan Valley Community College
Email: crisko@rvcc.raritanval.edu

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In article <E94Ant.BzC@iglou.com>, Rickey Hite <gazer@iglou.com> wrote:
> Could someone tell me how to fake a from header with Pine? My wife
>and I share an account (by using an alias for her) and I would love for
>her to be able to send mail with her alias in the From: field instead of
>the bogus gazer@(made up domain) and Reply-To:her address combination that
>I use now. All this does is confuse people as to what her address is. We
>are using Pine on a Unix system.
> 
> Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions.

Pine's configuration file (.pinerc) allows you to change your full name
and domain name, but not the 'user@' part of the sender address unless
it is compiled with 'ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM' enabled.

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dr@ripco.com (David Richards) writes:

>In article <E94Ant.BzC@iglou.com>, Rickey Hite <gazer@iglou.com> wrote:
>> Could someone tell me how to fake a from header with Pine? My wife

>Pine's configuration file (.pinerc) allows you to change your full name
>and domain name, but not the 'user@' part of the sender address unless
>it is compiled with 'ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM' enabled.

There is another way which doesn't require a recompilation of pine. You can
write your message with Compose, postpone it with Ctrl-O, edit the folder for
postponed messages (in my installation $HOME/Mail/postponed-msgs) and then send
the modified postponed message (via Compose and Ctrl-X).

Pine stores the complete mails with From: and Reply-To: lines in the folder for
postponed mails and reads this info back without further checks when resuming
the composition. So it's easy to modify the addresses with an ASCII editor.


Holger

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On 24 Apr 1997, Holger Trapp wrote:
> There is another way which doesn't require a recompilation of pine. You
> can write your message with Compose, postpone it with Ctrl-O, edit the
> folder for postponed messages (in my installation
> $HOME/Mail/postponed-msgs) and then send the modified postponed message
> (via Compose and Ctrl-X). 
> 
> Pine stores the complete mails with From: and Reply-To: lines in the
> folder for postponed mails and reads this info back without further
> checks when resuming the composition. So it's easy to modify the
> addresses with an ASCII editor. 

This is masteful and very hackish.  Congratulations on coming up with a
way to handle this.

That said, if anybody has enough time and or energy that they're willing
to actually do this in practice, would you please review Larry Wall's
comments on the virtues of "laziness"?

Honestly, this has been bugging me for a while.  My free software plate is
getting cleared off and I'm going to tackle this (and hopefully the
client/server addressbook stuff) within the next month or so.

</chris>

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and wire?  Or as a coworker has said . . . I've seen better throughput
from a pair of gorillas and flash cards.   -Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net>


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On 23 Apr 1997, Sunil Vallamkonda wrote:
> I looked at the www site for pine, but could get find info on the following.
> I use pine a lot, so any info on this topic is appreciated.
> 
> >From pine, I know how to add a customized header such as: Reply-to:
> 
> But, my question is, how do I change the headers to customize, viz;
> 
> From:
> Sender:

I don't think that it is possible to change the Sender header in
any version of Pine (does anyone know if that's true?).  However,
it is possible to change the From header in all versions of Pine.
In PC Pine, edit your the user-id and user-domain in your pinerc.
In Unix Pine, you need to either find a version on your system that
has been compiled with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM or recompile pine
yourself.  Here's the strategy I use at my ISPs:

[1] Ask the sys admins if they will compile pine with
ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM.  If the ISP provides virtual domain hosting
then it is likely they will do this.


If [1] fails:  
[2] Post to a local news group at your ISP, e.g., isp.general, and
ask if anyone has a compiled version of pine with
ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM that they could make world executable.  This
worked at my best.com account.


If [1] and [2] fail:
[3] Compile pine yourself with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM and then be a
good citizen and make it world executable and post to isp.general
that it is available for anyone to use.


Good luck,
Nancy

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 Could someone tell me how to fake a from header with Pine? My wife
and I share an account (by using an alias for her) and I would love for
her to be able to send mail with her alias in the From: field instead of
the bogus gazer@(made up domain) and Reply-To:her address combination that
I use now. All this does is confuse people as to what her address is. We
are using Pine on a Unix system.
 
 Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions.

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Hello all,
Is there a method of blocking or filtering out mail from a specific user?
I have a Pine user 3.95 Unix whose husband is harassing her.
Please, your suggestions are needed.
RKJ


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Hello, 
  New to this list. Im a junior admin at Kreative, and or pine program
is having some problems.  
Info:
  UNix BSDI box
  Pine 3.91

1. First off- should I upgrade to 3.96??
2. I try to reply to a message and get this error message:
     Bug in Pine detected: Received abort Signal
      exiting pine
    So I look in .pine_crash and the pine program is looking for a file
called pine.conf.fixed and it cant find it. IS there a place that I can
go to get this, or if I upgrade to Pine 3.96 will that have that??

   rich from kreative access

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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Hi!

Many moons ago we could happily use the magical ":;" feature that Pine
uses when you send a message to (only) recipients listed in the Bcc and/or
Lcc headers.

(For those not in the know it creates a To header of the form
	To: Undisclosed recipients:;
and then lists the recipients in the Bcc header)

However at some time or other we lost the ability.  In particular,
messages are still _delivered_ but the recipient no longer sees the
message as being:

	To: Undisclosed recipients:;

they now see:

	To: york.ac.uk@york.ac.uk
	Original-To: Test.Delivery:;@york.ac.uk
	PP-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding To line

I confess that I'm not _quite_ certain whether sendmail or PP (the
software used on our central mail hub to rewrite headers and things) is to
blame, or even a combination of the two.

If I try telnet-ing to the SMTP port of our mail server and entering
message data by hand the message is delivered with this header:

	To: Undisclosed.recipients:;@york.ac.uk

If I send it to a slightly different e-mail address (basivally adding
@york.ac.uk to the plain username I used above) it will follow this route:

	1.  Be accepted by sendmail (as above)
	2.  Be passed to our mailhub and the PP software
	3.  PP will rewrite the headers
	4.  The mailhub will pass the message back to sendmail on our mail
	    server
	5.  The mail server delivers the message to the INBOX

I *suspect* that the problem is as follows:

	-  In step 1 above sendmail "qualifies" the
		To: Undisclosed.recipients:;
	   by appending "@york.ac.uk" giving
		To: Undisclosed.recipients:;@york.ac.uk

	-  The PP software doesn't like a recipient of
		Undisclosed.recipients:;@york.ac.uk
	   and rewrites this as
		york.ac.uk
	   and also inserts a line complaining, along with the original
	   syntax.

Can anyone confirm that this seems plausible?

If so, should the "Undisclosed.recipients:;" _not_ be being qualified with
the "@york.ac.uk" (ie, the underlying problem is in our sendmail
configuration)?

Or is it _right_ to qualify it, and the problem is in the PP software not
being prepared/configured to parse the resulting
"Undisclosed.recipients:;@york.ac.uk" notation.

I'm fed up of this problem, having gone round in circles for ages with it.
Can anyone shed any light on it?

Thanks ever so!

-- 
Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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Hello,

We've encountered a problem printing messages when using a Win95 computer
to telnet to our mail server.  We have tried QVTNET and the telnet program
provided with Win95, both with the same results:  We press 'y' to print,
answer 'y' to the question, the screen scrolls, and nothing happens.

All of our other clients (DOS, Win 3.1, Mac, Unix) print fine.  We are
currently using Pine 3.95, but have also tried 3.91 with no success.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are planning to convert all of
our computer labs to Win95 in the near future...

Greg Tsigaridas
Postmaster/Unix Administration
Longwood College
gtsigari@lwcunix.lwc.edu



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From: Michael Carriveau <kimmy9@idt.net>
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Looking for someone who lives here locally. They spent last 3 months out
in Cal. Now they are home. How do I find the e-mail to reach them back at 
home?
kimmy9@mail.idt.net

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From: "DAVILA DELGADO, JUAN JOSE" <DAVILAJ@vw-gedas.com.mx>
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Subject: Addressbook sharing
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I have pine 3.95 and I am usung POP3 protocol to communicate with a
Windows NT v4.0. I can receive and send mesages but now I want to share
the address book. I know Windows NT has the LDAP feature Can I use this
feature to share the address book? or How Can I share the addres book in
the Windows NT server?

Juan Jose Davila D.

davilaj@vw-gedas.com.mx

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Subject: name change
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I would like to legally change my last name.  Are you knowledgeable 
about how to do that?  I did a search on legal name change on the 
internet and it came up with this.  Do you recommend me searching 
anything else to find more info?  If this is the wrong topic of your 
knowledge, sorry to bother you.  Otherwise, I can be reached via e-mail. 
 Thanks 

Jaimie Hoyt

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From: Zsolt Gere-Kiss <zkiss@hungary.net>
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Subject: Re: Writing news messages offline
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On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Peter Breitfeld wrote:

> Is it possible to compose a message to a newsgroup beeing offline?
> I would like to compose my message, then dial in an post it. But PINE
> complains: 
> 
>    Newsgroup field: No server defined for posting to newsgrpoups
> 
> I have a server in the newsgroup field so I suspect the error is because I
> am offline.
> 
> Any ideas out there?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>       _/_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/_/  _/_/_/_/_/     Peter Breitfeld
>      _/        _/ _/       _/ _/              Kreuzgasse 4 
>     _/       _/  _/      _/  _/               88348 Saulgau
>    _/_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/    _/_/_/_/          Germany
>   _/       _/  _/     _/   _/            
>  _/        _/ _/      _/  _/           eMail:
> _/_/_/_/_/   _/       _/ _/            Peter.Breitfeld@net-point.de
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

It is possible !

That was my question too some days ago and, due to answers from several
parts, I have now the solution (for me). 

I have a SLIP connection to the mail and news servers via a telephone
line, which means that I am connected to the net only for the
duration of the telephone call. I have Linux in the computer. 

To compose a news posting offline, you may need to set on the
news-post-without-validation option in the setup's feature-list
(Main | Setup | Config menupoint), otherwise pine will try to 'validate'
your newsgroup recipient, which it can do only being online, of course.

Other useful trick may be to use Ctrl-R when in the message header, thus
getting all the fields there. Previously (before having the above option
set) I never got the 'Newsgrp' field in the (short) header (when offline),
probably because pine didn't find the wanted server...  

After writing the message you can postpone it, and send only when you have
the net connection. At least this is the way I choose.

Many thanks for all who helped me (and us)..

Have fun,

Zsolt







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On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Russell Johnson wrote:

-> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:49:24 -0500 (CDT)
-> From: Russell Johnson <beta.loyno.edu!rkj@ife-le.de>
-> To: Pine Discussion Forum <u.washington.edu!pine-info@ife-le.de>
-> Subject: Email stalker
-> 
-> Hello all,
-> Is there a method of blocking or filtering out mail from a specific user?
-> I have a Pine user 3.95 Unix whose husband is harassing her.
-> Please, your suggestions are needed.
-> RKJ
-> 
This is a FAQ.
Use procmail. Download from 
    ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz
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Hi,

I'm having the problem where, when running MicroEmacs (not pico) under
Pine 3.95/Unix, if I get disconnected and later the session gets
killed, pine DELETES the message that was being composed.

Older version would leave it in /tmp as /tmp/pico.*. Now, Pine attempts
to save it, but just deletes it, which is NOT helpful at all. My one
most damning criteria for a BAD program is one that deliberately
destroys work. Right now, that describes 3.95.

I think this is a particularly nasty bug, but a bug report 2 months
ago has brought NO response.

Is this fixed in 3.96? Is there a work-around (short of makeing a copy
of each message as I'm composing it)? Using PICO is NOT an option,
as it doesn't do multiple buffer editing or macros.

Please e-mail.

Ken.
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I recently encounter problems with my telnet connection..  Everytime that i
bring up the application while I'm running netscape, i get the message that
one of the folders or drivers are missing from the NMLIB.DLL,  I already try
installing windows 95, just to see if i could recover those drivers, but did
not work..  Does anyone, could give me some input on how do I go about in
fixing this problem.    Thank you.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 RPMAXEDGE@aol.com wrote:

> I recently encounter problems with my telnet connection..  Everytime that i
> bring up the application while I'm running netscape, i get the message that
> one of the folders or drivers are missing from the NMLIB.DLL,  I already try
> installing windows 95, just to see if i could recover those drivers, but did
> not work..  Does anyone, could give me some input on how do I go about in
> fixing this problem.    Thank you.

Have you tried re-installing the Netscape program?  Or re-installing the
telnet program?

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> Hi,
> 
> I'm having the problem where, when running MicroEmacs (not pico) under
> Pine 3.95/Unix, if I get disconnected and later the session gets
> killed, pine DELETES the message that was being composed.
> 
> Older version would leave it in /tmp as /tmp/pico.*. Now, Pine attempts
> to save it, but just deletes it, which is NOT helpful at all. My one
> most damning criteria for a BAD program is one that deliberately
> destroys work. Right now, that describes 3.95.

Strange... I assume that most programs will lose your unsaved work if they
are interrupted or aborted.  This is the default action with an untold
number of programs; there is nothing "deliberate" about it.

In view the exceptions are those programs which deliberately make an
attempt to preserve your data, and that this is a sign of a GOOD program.

However it would perhaps be sensible if Pine, when attempting to rescue
your message with its last dying gasp, left the temporary file in place if
it couldn't rescue its content.  Have you looked at the source code to see
exactly what it does in this situation?

> I think this is a particularly nasty bug, but a bug report 2 months
> ago has brought NO response.
> 
> Is this fixed in 3.96? Is there a work-around (short of makeing a copy
> of each message as I'm composing it)? Using PICO is NOT an option,
> as it doesn't do multiple buffer editing or macros.

Incidentally, I'm assuming you do actually _have_ something in this
temporary file?  You may not have if you've just been typing in a message
from scratch...

The reason I ask is that Pico (the standalone editor, and also in disguise
as Pine's built-in editor) is the thing which actually attempts to save
your in-memory editing buffer to disk as it dies.  Only if it does this
can Pine then rescue the data from the file and store it as an interrupted
message.

However I believe that MicroEMACS (which we also use here, but as a
standalone editor) does _not_ do this last-gasp save-to-disk of your
editing buffer.  This means that if interrupted it simply loses all the
changes you have made since the file was last saved to disk.

Thus if you are starting a message from scratch, typing it into
MicroEMACS, and are interrupted MicroEMACS will _not_ save your message to
disk.  Instead all that is left there is an empty file.  Pine presumably
tries to rescue the contents of the file but finds it empty; there's not a
lot it can do in that situation!

So if my suppositions and assumptions are right you should be pointing the
finger at MicroEMACS for not last-gasp-saving your file rather than at
Pine for not rescuing it.

If this seems to be the case you might like to look at ASAVE (auto-save) 
mode within MicroEMACS.  This saves your file to disk every N characters
typed (N defaults to 256, but can be changed by altering the $asave
MicroEMACS environment variable):

You may like to try using one of these commands within Pine's
Configuration Screen to invoke MicroEMACS to turn on ASAVE mode (and also
WRAP -- word-wrap -- mode if you wish):

	ue -i\$gmode NNN
or	ue -i\$gmode NNN -i\$asave KKK

where:

* ue should be replaced with whatever command you use to start
  MicroEMACS;

* NNN is either 1 (for WRAP mode only), 128 (for ASAVE mode only) or 129
  (for both WRAP and ASAVE modes);

* KKK is the number of keystrokes after which to automatically save your
  file to disk (only needed if you want to change the value from the
  default of 256).

Note that you may have to experiment with extra levels of "\" quote
characters to get the above commands through the shell Pine uses to invoke
the command.  Perhaps something like this might be needed:

	ue -i\\\$gmode NNN

Also note that once ASAVE mode automatically saves your editing buffer to
disk it will replace the current content of that file: there's no going
back if you change your mind and cancel out of MicroEMACS ... the file
will contain the information stored at the last automatic save.

Cheers,

-- 
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In comp.sys.sun.admin Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> wrote:
-> >	user-domain=3Dturing.physik.tu-berlin.de

-> That's true, but unfortunately you're caught in the crossfire between
-> the University of Washington and Solaris.  Solaris has weird and
-> poorly documented ways of setting and using the domain name(s) of a
-> host, and these methods have several nasty properties.  For example:

NO, that's not problem of solaris many systems have the same problem.
domain names aren't simple.=20
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Respected sir,
              Kindly give me some of the general informations to work with
the pine command.Sir,i am really curious to know mucxh about the succh
things.
       For this act of kindness i would be always grateful to you.
                                               thanking you,


                                           Yours sincerely
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On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Rickey Hite wrote:
>  Could someone tell me how to fake a from header with Pine? My wife
> and I share an account (by using an alias for her) and I would love for
> her to be able to send mail with her alias in the From: field instead of
> the bogus gazer@(made up domain) and Reply-To:her address combination that
> I use now. All this does is confuse people as to what her address is. We
> are using Pine on a Unix system.
>  
>  Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions.

You could have two pine configuration files and select the appropriate one
using a command line option.

</chris>

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Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.pine: 24-Apr-97 e-mail address by
Michael Carriveau@idt.ne 
> Looking for someone who lives here locally. They spent last 3 months out
> in Cal. Now they are home. How do I find the e-mail to reach them back at 
> home?

This is not the right newsgroup for this question.  Check with one of
the e-mail-address search tools, like Four11 (http://www.four11.com/).

--Steve

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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm having the problem where, when running MicroEmacs (not pico) under
> > Pine 3.95/Unix, if I get disconnected and later the session gets
> > killed, pine DELETES the message that was being composed.
> > 
> > Older version would leave it in /tmp as /tmp/pico.*. Now, Pine attempts
> > to save it, but just deletes it, which is NOT helpful at all. My one
> > most damning criteria for a BAD program is one that deliberately
> > destroys work. Right now, that describes 3.95.
> 
> Strange... I assume that most programs will lose your unsaved work if they
> are interrupted or aborted.  This is the default action with an untold
> number of programs; there is nothing "deliberate" about it.

You misunderstand. Pine 3.95 actually DELETES the /tmp/pico.* file
that HAS BEEN saved by MicroEmacs, when receiving a HUP. It also
fails to transfer it to it's dead letter save file. On next
startup it suggests continuing when invoking compose, then says that 
there is nothing to continue.

This, going out of its way to delete a saved file, is EVIL.

Ken.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Ken Marsh wrote:

> You misunderstand. Pine 3.95 actually DELETES the /tmp/pico.* file
> that HAS BEEN saved by MicroEmacs, when receiving a HUP. It also
> fails to transfer it to it's dead letter save file. On next
> startup it suggests continuing when invoking compose, then says that 
> there is nothing to continue.
> 
> This, going out of its way to delete a saved file, is EVIL.

Hmmm.... using the tests I have done on our Unix systems with its version
of MicroEMACS I still stand by what I said later on in my article.

Are you _sure_ MicroEMACS is saving your work to the temporary file?  It
doesn't on ours... I've just tried using MicroEMACS (standalone, not
confusing things by using it from within Pine) to edit an empty file.  I
then sent it a HUP signal and it did _not_ save my changes to the original
file on disk.

If this is also happening on your system then it is no wonder that Pine
can only rescue an empty file.

Have a try of the following just to convince me and others:

	Login session #1			Login session #2
	----------------			----------------
	touch testfile
	ue testfile
		<type in something>
						kill -HUP pid
						  where pid is the pid of
						  the other session's
						  MicroEMACS process
	cat testfile

Is the result still empty, or has the "something" you typed in been saved
there?

Cheers,

-- 
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Hi,

Please read the following carefully.

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> > This, going out of its way to delete a saved file, is EVIL.
> 
> Hmmm.... using the tests I have done on our Unix systems with its version
> of MicroEMACS I still stand by what I said later on in my article.
> 
> Are you _sure_ MicroEMACS is saving your work to the temporary file?

When I hit ^X^S, I GUARANTEE you that MicroEmacs saves it's file
to /tmp/pico.$$. Then, HUPPing it's parent process, PINE 3.95,
causes both to die, but not before PINE DELETES the existing,
populated, edited file in /tmp.

  It
> doesn't on ours... I've just tried using MicroEMACS (standalone, not
> confusing things by using it from within Pine) to edit an empty file.  I
> then sent it a HUP signal and it did _not_ save my changes to the original
> file on disk.

You continue to misunderstand. I AM SAVING THE FILE. I type ^X^S every
few keystrokes under MicroEmacs. I am not relying on some auto-save
feature (that doesn't exist on my MicroEmacs 3.12 as far as I know.

PINE 3.95 is evil because it deletes the file when HUPPed, and fails
to copy it first.

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To the research people:


  My name is dwight krush, and i work for provincial forest products out 
of prince albert, saskatchewan, canada. we are a sawmilling outfit with 2 
mills, 1 mill in the north, and the other in central sask. we have been 
in production for around 15 years, producing dimensional product. 
recently we expanded to the fence post & rail business. so now our 
initial marketing research begins.  i have found thus far that jack pine 
is a species not favored for in the states. one of the main reasons is 
that jack pine was not a certifiable species, so after talking with the 
AWPA i learn that it is under section C5. The only thing missing was that 
copper naphthenate was not included in jack pine.
   
   I understand that this is a research site.  is there any information 
you could send my way about jack pine, the chemical exclusion, it's use 
in the states, and where jack pine is sold.


       I thank you        Dwight Krush

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rick@dial.pipex.com (Rik Wade):
> AFAIK, Pine does not provide the facility to only
> show those newsgroups which contain new news.

Pine always shows the full list of subscribed newsgroups?

> Also, how about adding a field which is attacted to the folder
> name which indicates how many new messages are present in it?

Pine doesn't do that yet?

If so, I'll add this to the wishlist:
	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/#wishlist

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   If the From: line had a 'wrong' email address, such as
   sandvik@sgi.com-NO.SPAM, and it was easy to flip this on
   per need, then most likely we could stop some of the
   spamming. Just now we need to edit the From: field.

It would be easy to remove it by a program as well, e.g an additional
cut would do the job..

Kjell


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Hi folks...

I am using a mailto form on my web pages.  My provider won't allow CGI...
So, I get all my mail via pine on my shell account and when I get the mail
from my form, it arrives as an attachment of type: X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED

It is still just text, and it would make life SO much easier if I could
view the text in pine instead of having to go into the viewer and save the
attachment.  So, is there any voice of wisdom out there that  can point me
in the right direction?  

Many thanks
Randall

P.S.  Please respond with email to rsh@oro.net  THANKS!

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On 22 Apr 1997, Randall wrote:
> I am using a mailto form on my web pages.  My provider won't allow CGI...
> So, I get all my mail via pine on my shell account and when I get the mail
> from my form, it arrives as an attachment of type: X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED

Make a custom .mailcap.

</chris>

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On 25 Apr 1997, Lucid Linux Dreamer wrote:

> It would be useful if you could set the "> " text to "  ",
> and then have a right-margin setting of say 3 so that text is
> automatically justified, creating the illusion of a real email program
> like emacs/rmail for quoting.

    Pine *IS* a "real" email program.  It just has different
characteristics.  Every one does.  A program which had every possible
feature that the human mind can conjure up would be so big that it
would be unusable.  However, you can get a lot of what you are
referring to above by using the alternate editor feature, using a
different editor from Pine's built-in composer, and some editor macros
or configuration.  Having that option is part of Pine's strength.  The
exercise is left to the reader.

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Hello,

I need to convert a very large Eudora addressbook to Pine format. Is
this possible? 

Thanks for your help!

Cathy

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DearOldDad wrote:
> 
> Bryan Logan (blogan@host1.dia.net) wrote:
> : Is there a simple way I can create an address book that has every user
> : from the password file in it?
> 
> Well, it isn't 'simple' but it can be done.  Now it sounds to me as if
> your making either a bomb or a spam sandwich.  Now why do you want to send
> a message to every user on your system?

Indeed.  If there's a need to mail everyone on the system, then the sysadmin
should provide a mail alias for the purpose.  

John
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I'm looking for an indicia for bulk-rate mailings that I can download and
edit.  I already have a permit number, just need the indicia.  I live in
Illinois.  I've downloaded several already and cannot edit through MS Word or
MS Publisher.  Please help.

Natural Alternatives

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Martin Ming Rudat (rudat@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote:

: JOHNSON@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU wrote:
: : How can I configure Pine to save a copy of messages I send?  Where are those
: : messages saved?  Thank you for any information.

: I go through the long winded and slightly un-fiendly practice of Bcc to
: myself, then filtering all my incoming mail through procmail, so that any
: mail I send to xyz@wherever.com is saved with all the mail from
: xyz@wherever.com.

Well, pine defaults to saving a copy of every, yes every message you send in a folder 
called sent-mail. The location and name of this folder can be set in your .pinerc
file. It can also be set in the configuration options accessible from pine itself.

-Taff

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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, John McNulty wrote:
> DearOldDad wrote:
> > Bryan Logan (blogan@host1.dia.net) wrote:
> > : Is there a simple way I can create an address book that has every user
> > : from the password file in it?
> > 
> > Well, it isn't 'simple' but it can be done.  Now it sounds to me as if
> > your making either a bomb or a spam sandwich.  Now why do you want to send
> > a message to every user on your system?
> 
> Indeed.  If there's a need to mail everyone on the system, then the sysadmin
> should provide a mail alias for the purpose.  

And my first thought was: maybe he is the administrator!

</chris>

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Hello,

Is there any way I can delete spam in my inbox when 
I log in? I have noticed that the particularly annoying
all appear to have a certain text string in the message 
body, and I have found a parameter called "display-filter"
in the setup. I suppose I could use it to delete the spam
before I read it, but what about when logging in?

I didn't find any "inbox" folder I could check with 
some program. BTW, I know nothing about Perl and the
like, just a little C. 



cj

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HI all,

I just configured the Pine with PGP as input and output filter. It
works greatly. Here is my question: How can I encrypt my folds, say
"sent-mail"  ? I don't want anyone who break into my account find 
out my mail in mail/.. readable.  I want to encript "sent-mail" and
other folds with my secret key, so that no one but myself can read
the mail.

Is it possible to do it in current PINE 3.96 or need to modify the
code to achieve this ?

Hong 

hongz@seas.ucla.edu


PS Please also send me a mail when reply to this message.

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Dear sir,
       I have some problem about pine. one day ago I sent mail to my
friend and I write sent to wrong so my mail get back .I want to ask you if
I want to write the correct sent to,what can I do. And I get big problem
about netscape program I do not know what happen  I cannot sent mail by
netscape  and my computer is windows95 .I set my netscape is NETSCAPE
COMMUNICATOR.I used to use NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR that I can sent mail or look
the web site but now when I change to NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR ,I cannot sent
mail or get mail . 
           Please tell me what happen with my computer.
                                               Your faithful
                                                 Yawapen Thamchoowet   
                                                               


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References: <5j7u55$2hh@apache.dtcc.edu> <Pine.NXT.4.00.970418091621.25360A-100000@tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu> <5jh9ss$k26@news.doit.wisc.edu>
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In article <5jh9ss$k26@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
Mumit Khan <khan@xraylith.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>We have found (5) to be the most stable and feasible solution, not to
>mention the most robust one. Our mail server forwards all mail to
>file servers where the user's home directory is (automated via simple
>NIS+ maps), which then uses procmail to deliver to user's home directory.
>Trivial configuration and no more problems with funny NFS locking and all
>that. Totally secure as well. 3+ years and still going.
>
>


So, you're aliasing usernames so that their mail goes to the same
server their home directory is on?

If so, are those same file servers the machines that user's log
directly into? 

If not, you're going to have the same locking problems when your MUA
doesn't lock correctly across NFS when a delivery is occuring, or is
all mail access then via IMAP?

Just curious..


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Can you help me? I need to do a college homework paper on "Supposed that you
sit down at a computer or computer terminal and discover that the previous
user did not log off correctly, and you have access to his or her e-mail.
What would you do?"

I need something from the Internet to support the paper I write, whether I
choosoe to agree or disagree. Can you give me any suggestions where I can
find some information?

Thank you in advance.


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On 26 Apr 1997 04:02:32 -0700, Yawapen Thamchoowet <u3820717@au.ac.th> wrote:

>Dear sir,
>       I have some problem about pine. one day ago I sent mail to my
>friend and I write sent to wrong so my mail get back .I want to ask you if
>I want to write the correct sent to,what can I do. And I get big problem
>about netscape program I do not know what happen  I cannot sent mail by
>netscape  and my computer is windows95 .I set my netscape is NETSCAPE
>COMMUNICATOR.I used to use NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR that I can sent mail or look
>the web site but now when I change to NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR ,I cannot sent
>mail or get mail . 

Well, the first thing I would do, to resend the message, is go into the sent
mail folder, and bring up the desired message, then bounce it to the correct
recipient.

This assumes two things: 1) that your pine set-up saves messages in a local
folder, (the default in Unix pine), and 2) you've enabled the bounce command,
via the (S)etup, (C)onfigure option in the main menu.

Once you get this working, I'm sure you won't want to send mail with Netscape.
If you do, you'll have to direct that question to another newsgroup, like
comp.programs.fat.chunky.slow.inefficient.

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On 26 Apr 1997 lbrucksc@excel.net wrote:

> I need something from the Internet to support the paper I write, whether I
> choosoe to agree or disagree. Can you give me any suggestions where I can
> find some information?

This paper is about a moral issue, right?  And for that reason, isn't
anything you write completely a personal decision?  How could you possibly
get support from anyone but yourself?  You don't need support when you
tell someone that you dislike chicken; nor do you need it now.

Besides, this is the wrong place to discuss your topic.  This is a
newsgroup devoted to the e-mail program PINE, not e-mail morality.

--Steve

Stephen R. Laniel                 |    "I was born not knowing and
Carnegie Mellon University        |     have only had a little time to
laniel@cmu.edu                    |     change that here and there."
www.andrew.cmu.edu/~laniel        |               --Richard Feynman


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This is one of those problems that makes you pull your hair out.

The short explanation:  I am trying to get Procmail to forward email to
certain persons that are on the subject line.

What is happening:  Instead of the mail forwarding out, it is being
placed in a mail folder called "*" and the log file reads:

----------------------------
procmail: Notified comsat: "@8974:/we/home/gweb/Mail/*"
procmail: Skipped "^To.*chris"
procmail: Opening "*"
>From - Sat Apr 26 16:37:31 1997
 Subject: another?
  Folder: *
------------------------------

It appears that it had a problem with the part of the .procmailrc that I
have:

 :0
 * ^To.*chris
 ! champton@voy.net

I have tested over and over and it appears that I have everything
correct -- I don't know what is wrong.  Please assist.

Please email your response to champton@voy.net -- since my email is
screwy.

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From: Kyle VanderBeek <kvbeek@calvin.edu>
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Subject: Re: Pine 4.0 wishes
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Glenn Nielsen wrote:

> > That has already been done, long ago.  Remember, Pine uses the same
> > internal code as imapd.

Not entirely true, I don't believe....

>   Is there a patch available for pine3.96 to ignore the IMAP4
> mailer-daemon maintenance message? i.e. the DON'T DELETE ... message?
> It would sure make our upgrade to IMAP4.1 alot easier on our
> 15,000 users and tech support staff.

The solution is to run pine in IMAP mode.  Change you inbox and mail
folders in config to be of the form:

	{mailhost.dom.ain}INBOX
	{mailhost.dom.ain}mail/[]

Pine will then connect to imapd which will ignore its own "DO NOT
DELTETE" messages.  Default behaviour is to just read the files
directly.

A sidenote that might be worth mentioning is that pine 3.x only uses
IMAP2, but thankfully IMAP4 is backward compatible.  Nonetheless, it'll
make migration easier.

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kvbeek@calvin.edu
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http://www.calvin.edu/~kvbeek/
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From: guckes@banach.math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
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Subject: Re: Pine 4.0 wishes - spamming
References: <Pine.NXT.4.00.970418093144.25360B-100000@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <Pine.LNX.3.96.peterpatch.L.970421164516.4704B-100000@dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se> <slrn5lnsv0.os3.guckes@banach.math.fu-berlin.de> <Pine.SGI.3.95.970425105653.9293F-100000@kent.engr.sgi.com>
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sandvik@engr.sgi.com (Kent Sandvik):
> Here's another issue, to stop email spamming. Most spam systems operate on
> pickup up email addresses from the From field, mailing lists or newsgroups.
> If the From: line had a 'wrong' email address [...] then most likely we
> could stop some of the spamming. Just now we need to edit the From: field.

I can see it now: Business cards with email addresses which look like this:

	Me Myname    http://MyCompany.com/~me
	SysAdmin     me@mycompany.comREMOVE_THIS_YOU_IDIOT
	MyCompany    <stupid quote from my boss>

The good side - this will really prevent idiots from replying to you.
The downside  - this includes your boss.  Think about it.

Sven

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From: Adrian Planinc <eplanincav@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>
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I was just wondering.....

Is it possible to send an email message to ALL the people at a certain 
domain? Like my address is eplanincav@alpha2.curtin.edu.au. Could I send 
a message that goes to everyone at alpha2.curtin.edu.au??? 

Is there any sort of standard way of doing this, or not?

If you know, please reply in email.....


---
Adrian Planinc
Division of Engineering and Science
Curtin University of Technology

      planinca@cs.curtin.edu.au
      eplanincav@cc.curtin.edu.au
      primo@wantree.com.au

Note: The contents of this message or posting
      reflect on me and not my service providers.


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cjjohans@cc.helsinki.fi (Carl J R Johansson):
> Is there any way I can delete spam in my inbox when I log in?

Yes - if you can give a definition for it that is usable by a computer program.

> I have noticed that the particularly annoying all appear
> to have a certain text string in the message body, ...

procmail!

Sven

-- 
Sven Guckes guckes@math.fu-berlin.de [procmail] [970122]
PROCMAIL http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/procmail/ commented sample setup!
PROCMAIL  procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de    send mail to subscribe!
PROCMAIL Source: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/

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I would like PC-Pine only to list the newsgroups to which I've subscribed,
rather than every single available newsgroup.  Under UNIX-Pine, this
involves checking the "use-subscriptions" option.  How does one do it
under PC-Pine?  Thanks.

--Steve

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Carnegie Mellon University     |     have only had a little time to
laniel@cmu.edu                 |     change that here and there."
www.andrew.cmu.edu/~laniel     |           --Richard Feynman


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To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: DISTRIBUTION of email
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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970424201056.620793518A-100000@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>,
Adrian Planinc  <eplanincav@alpha2.curtin.edu.au> wrote:
>I was just wondering.....
>
>Is it possible to send an email message to ALL the people at a certain 
>domain? Like my address is eplanincav@alpha2.curtin.edu.au. Could I send 
>a message that goes to everyone at alpha2.curtin.edu.au??? 

Maybe...do you have the list of usernames for alpha2.curtin.edu.au?  If
the system running this mail server is UNIX-based, and you have an
account on this system, you should be able to get the /etc/passwd
file (which contains the list of usernames, among other things).
Once you have the list of users, you're all set; write a script that
strips out everything but the usernames from the passwd file, then
goes through the list and sends a file (the message you want to send)
to each of them.  For example:

--begin script--
#!/bin/bash

#sends mail to all users on a particular system; run this
#from a home directory that you have write permissions to
#
#edit message.txt and other lines as needed

#extract usernames from passwd file
sed "s/:.*//g" < /etc/passwd > raw_addr_list

#do some editing on username list...get rid of useless users
cat raw_addr_list | grep -v root | grep -v bin | grep -v daemon | \
grep -v adm | grep -v lp | grep -v sync | grep -v shutdown | grep -v halt | \
grep -v mail | grep -v news | grep -v uucp | grep -v operator | \
grep -v games | grep -v man | grep -v postmaster | grep -v nobody | \
grep -v ftp | grep -v guest > addr_list

#send the mail!
for addr in `cat ./addr_list`
do
mail -s "Hello world!" $addr@alpha2.curtin.edu.au < message.txt
sleep 1
done

#let the fun begin
--end script--

>Is there any sort of standard way of doing this, or not?

Depends on how you define standard.  Note that if you do this without
the knowledge of your sysadmin, you're likely to get him pretty ticked
off.  This type of thing shoots the load average on a system through
the roof, and chews up space in the mail spool.  (translation:  DON'T
TRY THIS AT HOME)

Also, note that some sites have mail aliases that automatically send
mail to every account within the domain...much easier than writing a
script like the above.

>If you know, please reply in email.....

No, read it here.

-- 
SPAM THIS!:  root@localhost            bin@localhost
             postmaster@localhost      daemon@localhost
             abuse@localhost           admin@localhost
             news@localhost            security@localhost

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Subject: Re: ":;" magic not working with our sendmail and/or PP software
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On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Many moons ago we could happily use the magical ":;" feature that Pine
> uses when you send a message to (only) recipients listed in the Bcc and/or
> Lcc headers.
> 
> However at some time or other we lost the ability.  In particular,
> messages are still _delivered_ but the recipient no longer sees the
> message as being:
> 
> 	To: Undisclosed recipients:;
> 
> they now see:
> 
> 	To: york.ac.uk@york.ac.uk
> 	Original-To: Test.Delivery:;@york.ac.uk
> 	PP-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding To line
This is a know sendmail problem for versions before 8.7.?, the ':;' feature
has been required by rfc822 since 1982 but sendmail has always messed it up
in normal configurations.

Doesn't this give you a nice warm feeling about the reliability of sendmail.

The address "sonething:;@york.ac.uk" is NOT rfc822 compliant. PP is quite
within rights to complain about it; the conversion to 'york.ac.uk' is VERY
dubious though. IMO MTAs should not rewrite the headers unless
  1) They really, really have to.
  2) The mail address they generate is fully RFC822 compliant including both
     user and a fqdn host id.


-- 
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)


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Did you ask for recipises too bombs then I have one for you. It`s made of
"potassium
nitrat" and ordinary suger. It is a smoke bomb.     Recipee:
     

       6 parts with Potassim Nitrat (also known as: Salt Peter)
       4 parts with suger

Boil this untill there are know  visible Salt Peter or Suger, and then the
bomb are readdy too use. One pound or a half kilo will fill up for example
your school with smoke.

If you have some great bombs or smoke bombs which are easy too make send me
a messages on :     chrismand@hotmail.com 


PS: Salt Peter can only be bought of people who are 18 or older in my
home-country        Norway. 


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I'm using version 3.96 of Pine (on a SPARC/Solaris2.5) and I've
the followin question/problem:

Is it possible to configure Pine in a way that it's able to support
one news-folder for a distant NNTP-server (containing the ordinary
USENET groups) and another news-collection for our local NNTP-server
(containing jobb-related groups). I've no problem to define those
two groups and read messages, using the following configuration
for "news-collections":

	*{local_nntp_server.company.se/nntp}[company_local.*]
	*{usenet_nntp_server.some_place.se/nntp}[comp.*]

It's however impossible (for me) to reply to a message, from the
currently selected collection. I've tried to define both or none
of the two NNTP-servers for "nntp-server", without any success.
Do I have to reconfigure Pine (parameter: nntp-server) each time
I change news-collection, or is there a better way?

It would also be nice (for me) to have an individual ".newsrc"
for each collection, but I haven't find support for that either.

Thank you and good bye!

/Oyvind


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I'm doing a report on Iraq and I need to know how many people are in their
army.  By any chance you know please E-mail me at bushfam@ipa.net



PS it has to be done by the 30th of this month, Thanks

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"Bush Family" <Bushfam@ipa.net> writes:

> I'm doing a report on Iraq and I need to know how many people are in their
> army.  By any chance you know please E-mail me at bushfam@ipa.net

One hell of a lot fewer than in late 1990.

Your article has nothing to do with the topic of this mailing list (or
newsgroup, depending on how you're reading it).  Post it somewhere else.

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xc7970@csc.albany.edu (CHAI XIANGQUN):
> I'm using pine 3.95 on sun, and I don't use pico, I use vi.  The probelm
> is, The spelling check option disappear from the bottom of the screen,
> no matter how i try (I set the path of ispell in the options).

If you happen be talking about these commands shown on the screen:

  ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Pg   ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos
  ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where is  ^V Next Pg   ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell

Well, they are part of the editor pico.  Remove pico -> remove commands.  See?

> Anybody has any suggestion?

Use pico again!

Sven  [HIBT?]

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Should this be added to the FAQ?  Naah.

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Hi,

I try to customize Pine's Header. Each time I press C to compose mail
Reply-To appears on the first line and the Cursor jumps into it. This does
not depend where I put Reply-to in the default-composer-headers. However,
usually I need the Cursor starting in the To-field.

1. How can I make the Cursor jumping directly into the To-field after
pressing C ?

2. Is it possible to change the sequence of the Header lines?



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-- Christopher Hicks wrote:
> > Indeed.  If there's a need to mail everyone on the system, then the sysadmin
> > should provide a mail alias for the purpose.
> 
> And my first thought was: maybe he is the administrator!
> 
> </chris>

In which case, he's in dire need of some training, or a good admin book.
Plus a Bible, so he can pray every night that nothing nasty happens to
his system until he learns how to manage it properly.

John
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From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Subject: Re: Puuleease help me with this simple Procmail Problem
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On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Chris Hampton wrote:

> This is one of those problems that makes you pull your hair out.
> 
> The short explanation:  I am trying to get Procmail to forward email to
> certain persons that are on the subject line.
> 
> [...]
> I have tested over and over and it appears that I have everything
> correct -- I don't know what is wrong.  Please assist.

    Sorry, but you are not asking in the proper place.  The newsgroups
you posted on are not particularly about procmail.  Did you know that
there is a mailing list dedicated exclusively to procmail?  The address
for subscriptions is

        procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de

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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 thrive@leland.stanford.edu wrote:

> Is there a way to configure Pine so that all messages with for example the
> same "To:" will automatically be placed in a given folder?

    No, but don't despair.  What you want involves the mail delivery
process.  Pine doesn't have anything to do with that.  Pine is a mail
*reader*, taking what the delivery process gives it.  So you need
something that hooks into the mail *delivery* process.  If you have a
WWW browser, browse my home page and follow the link to Nancy McGough's
pages.  A few links in she has a lot of good information on mail
filtering.

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>Dear Sir,
>	I am at manage@hub.nic.in One of my friend has sent me an mail
>with attatchments which I am unable to open with the help of Pine. Hence I
>am forwarding you the mail so that you can help me in opening the same.
>Thanking you very much for the trouble.
>Sincerely yours,
>Raja Sen
>
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>
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>--gethostname.err:860219246:632750420:624885801:36059076--


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Is there a way to configure Pine so that all messages with for example the
same "To:" will automatically be placed in a given folder?

Thanks
DFS
dfs@leland.stanford.edu

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My best regards to everybody, who is reading my 
my message.I'm a student. That's why I need a lack
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Hello to everybody who is reading the message.I'm Sanjar from Uzbekistan.
I'm a student, and here we have lack of information.I heard there are some
addresses from where the email users can get any kind of information.I
would be very grateful if anybody could send me some address.Beforehand
thanks.


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My proplem is, how to create a kind of letter with my address and my name
and soon to use it every time when I want to send a mail to someone? If
you can explain me how to do that I would be happy! 

Andreas Freund,  <freund@ruf.uni-freiburg.de>


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Dear Sir,
What is the latest version of pine? 
What are all the new additions in that version compared to the one
which this version have?

Thanking you


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Andreas:

I believe what you mention here is a signature at the bottom of your
letter (for example, mine below).  From Pine's main menu, press (S)etup,
and (S)ignature. This will call up Pico, Pine's text editor, and you can
create your signature from there.  You'll notice that the same commands
you use to edit mail are also present in Pico, so you should have no
problem. 

Hope this helps!


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// robert		chicago, \\
\\ joseph		illinois //
// wilshe		usa      \\
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On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Andreas Freund wrote:

> My proplem is, how to create a kind of letter with my address and my name
> and soon to use it every time when I want to send a mail to someone? If
> you can explain me how to do that I would be happy! 
> 
> Andreas Freund,  <freund@ruf.uni-freiburg.de>
> 
> 



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Hello:

Check out "http://www.washington.edu/pine" for all the lastest
information, directly from the the source:  The University of Washington
Pne Information Center. 

Hope this helps,


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On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, OrganicTech wrote:

> 
> Dear Sir,
> What is the latest version of pine? 
> What are all the new additions in that version compared to the one
> which this version have?
> 
> Thanking you
> 
> 
>   ********************
>   * Org.Chem.Tech    *
>   * Natl.Chem.Lab    *
>   * Pune 411 008     *
>   * Maharashtra      *************
>   * E-Mail Otech@ems.ncl.res.in  *
>   ********************************
> 
> 
> 


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I think it does make a difference that it is SCO running mmdf. Because
mmdf's emulation of sendmail does not handle the -bs flag correctly, the
default pine sending method on SCO is to use the sendmail -t method
instead of the sendmail -bs method. There is (what I consider to be) a bug
in sendmail -t which causes it to fail if the To line has a group syntax
address with no actual addresses specified. This bug is apparently
faithfully reproduced in the mmdf emulation of sendmail. This means that
there is no way to use the sendmail -t method of submission and also have
a To header with an empty group syntax address on it, which is what Lcc
and Bcc try to do on SCO systems.

There are some work-arounds. The easiest is if you can set the smtp-server
configuration variable in pine to something. It should certainly work if
you can set it to the name of a close by smtp server, and I think it will
also work if you set it to "localhost". 

You could set "empty-header-message" to "" (two quotes). Then the empty
group syntax address won't be produced at all, so you'll have no To line. 

You could use bcc and put some real address on the To line, like your own
address. 

You could add a hack to your sendmail.cf file that fixes the "bug" by
noticing the empty group syntax address and sending it to /dev/null. I
don't know how to do this with mmdf, but you could add something like the
following in sendmail.cf: 

# Dispose of empty group lists.  There needs to be an alias
# "nobody: /dev/null" in the aliases file.  The idea behind this is to
# allow (empty) list syntax to be used in a header and have it "work" with
# sendmail -t.  That is, it passes through unchanged and unused.
R$*:;                   $#local$:nobody         group syntax hack

This would usually come right before the last line of ruleset 0, which
disposes of local mail.  The idea is that it actually delivers it but to
/dev/null.  This should make sendmail happy.

-- 
Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle


On 22 Apr 1997, Robin Cordova/Open Systems Consulting and Training Inc wrote:

> [...]
> and Jeff Douglas wrote:

> > [...]

> >Basically stick the list name in the Lcc: field instead of               
> >the To: field.                                                           
> 
> But when I try this for my list "Open Systems" nick=office, I get an
> error:
>   POSTING ERRORS Result: (USER) unknown user name in "Open Systems: ;"
> 
> and then:
>   [Posting program /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -t returned error]
> 
> If I delete the To: line contents, I get similar results except the
> unknown user name is the "Undisclosed recipients" default value. 
> 
> The list works fine when it is entered on the To: line.  The result prior
> to the error looks just like the context sensitive help advertises.
> 
> This is a SCO Open Server Enterprise 5.0.2 system using mmdf as the MTA,
> if that makes a difference.
> 
> -- 
> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Open Systems Consulting & Training, Inc.
> 6851 So. Holly Circle
> Suite 170                                               (303)694-9304 voice
> Englewood, CO 80112					(303)694-1318 fax
> 


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Me again. The recompile option is out... I ain't got enough space to keep
my own copy of Pine. The thing that works is that postpone message change
in outside editor and resume hack. However, I would like to make this easy
for my wife. She wouldn't like spending that much time just to send a
simple message. 

What I have thought about is using the sending-filter feature and coming
up with a filter to change it automatically  (I already have things set up
so that she has her own config file for Pine)
Anybody got any help on making a filter like that... I have no idea where
to even start.


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Un jour, gnat@ns.kreative.net (gnat@ns.kreative.net)
      affirmait publiquement que:

| 1. First off- should I upgrade to 3.96??

Why not, it's not a harm to do so...

| 2. I try to reply to a message and get this error message:
|      Bug in Pine detected: Received abort Signal
|       exiting pine
|     So I look in .pine_crash and the pine program is looking for a file
| called pine.conf.fixed and it cant find it. IS there a place that I can
| go to get this, or if I upgrade to Pine 3.96 will that have that??

touch /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed

will create an empty file...  It should work now.

HTH...
(Cc'ed)
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Randall <rsh@Au.oro.net> writes:



>Hi folks...

>I am using a mailto form on my web pages.  My provider won't allow CGI...
>So, I get all my mail via pine on my shell account and when I get the mail
>from my form, it arrives as an attachment of type: X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED

I know the problem.  The way we do it is to have a special mail address
and use the laias file to redirect the URL_encoded text thrugh a program
that converts the text to readable format.  The mail is then mailed to the
real receiver.

Apart from that; would it be so difficult for the web host managers to 
make a standard mailer CGI script that would work for most people.  It is
certainly a much better solution that the mailto form.  Also, you have
the problem that not all browsers can handle the mailto method in a form.
They just bring up the mail program where the user can make a normal mail 
message, and the forms contents is ignored.

Villy

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970423141612.28658A-100000@cscf9>,
Anthony Pounds-Cornish  <atfpou@essex.ac.uk> wrote:
>	Is there any other way of sending mail in Pine than using the 
>ctrl-x combination. The reason I ask this is because I am using Pine on 
>my Psion 3a and the control x does not appear to be recognised to send 
>the message although all other control codes are.

Not in your version of Pine. In the current version (3.96) you can 
alternatively press ESC ESC x.

Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. :-)

If you can't upgrade (or even if you can), look around in your 
terminal program (what is a Psion 3a?) and see what ^x is used for and 
if you can turn it off.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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Queria saber donde puedo encontrar ficheros fuente de correo electronico
para HP-UNIX. 

alpefe@redestb.es

muchas gracias.............................

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On 25 Apr 1997, Kjell Andresen wrote:

>    If the From: line had a 'wrong' email address, such as
>    sandvik@sgi.com-NO.SPAM, and it was easy to flip this on
>    per need, then most likely we could stop some of the
>    spamming. Just now we need to edit the From: field.
> 
> It would be easy to remove it by a program as well, e.g an additional
> cut would do the job..

Indeed this has started happening ... so I've changed my scheme. The from
address on this message is only valid for just over a week; most spammers
seem to take 2-3 weeks on average to collect and use an address.

-- 
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)



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I just underwent a little change at my ISP, and now something's different
in pine.
When I go to reply to a message, I get asked whether I want to
reply to all recipients. Now this would normally happen if the message had
been sent to someone other than me, but now it's happening ALL the time --
even when there are no other recipients, cc:s, bcc:s, etc. Is there any
way to turn this off? If I say "yes" then a copy comes to me; if I say no,
then the reply just goes to the person who sent the original e-mail.

This is pine 3.96.

Thanks,
Joey

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In article <owls--2704970000580001@owls.vip.best.com>,
JID <owls-@-best-.-com> wrote:
>I just underwent a little change at my ISP, and now something's different
>in pine.
>When I go to reply to a message, I get asked whether I want to
>reply to all recipients. Now this would normally happen if the message had

My guess is that your email address has changed slightly (it certainly 
looks like a spam block above), so that pine no longer recognizes 
messages sent to the old address as yours.

To fix the problem, go to Setup/Config/alt-addresses and add the 
version(s) of your address that is different from your default.

Greetings,
Űrjan.

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Subject: Re: Get info
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and it would be useful for us to know what kink of information you seek

Sanjar Rahimov (sarrahim@uwed.freenet.uz) wrote:
: Hello to everybody who is reading the message.I'm Sanjar from Uzbekistan.
: I'm a student, and here we have lack of information.I heard there are some
: addresses from where the email users can get any kind of information.I
: would be very grateful if anybody could send me some address.Beforehand
: thanks.


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Bryan Logan (blogan@host1.dia.net) wrote:
: Is there a simple way I can create an address book that has every user
: from the password file in it?

Well, it isn't 'simple' but it can be done.  Now it sounds to me as if
your making either a bomb or a spam sandwich.  Now why do you want to send
a message to every user on your system?


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I've got a couple of Unix accounts that use Pine, and I know about the
.forward and .reply files being able to auto-forward/reply to incoming
e-mail messages.  

Well, I spend quite a bit of time on the road, and now I have a wireless
e-mail system.  What I'd like to do is have one of my Pine accounts
automatically Carbon-Copy me on all incoming mail.  What would I do for
that?  .COPY, .CarbonCopy, .CCopy....  

A Public & Private response would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Jared Valentine

(Anti-spam measures in place, remove the "j." to reply)

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On 28 Apr 1997 mustun@sam.math.ethz.ch wrote:

> is it true, that in pine does not exist any filter 
> mechanisme like in elm?

    That is correct.  At the present time, Pine does not do any mail or
newsgroup filtering.  However, I am told that it is possible to use the
elm filter independently and filter incoming mail before Pine reads it.

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Hi, 

is it true, that in pine does not exist any filter 
mechanisme like in elm?

Thanks,
Michael.

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Are you still interested in a bulk mail system??  If so, I can probably help.

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xyzzy
This is (fwd) because of a list error trapping mis-fire.

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Subject: Re: Faking From: in Pine
From: Robert de Bath <robert@mayday.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Mayday Technology Ltd
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:26:52 +0100 (BST)
To: Rickey Hite <gazer@iglou.com>
Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>

Add a line to your pinerc:

sendmail-path=/usr/local/bin/from_smash

Remove any 'smtp-server=' line.

In the script 'from_smash' put this script (based on pine's 'sendit.sh')

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
#!/bin/sh -
POSTFILE=/tmp/send$$
POSTTOOL=/usr/lib/sendmail
POSTARGS="-oi -oem -t"

umask 077
trap "rm -f ${POSTFILE}; exit 0" 0 1 2 13 15

formail -f -IFrom: "-AFrom: $MAILFROM" > ${POSTFILE}
${POSTTOOL} ${POSTARGS} < ${POSTFILE} & 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Set the environment variable MAILFROM.

The command 'formail' might not be in your unix, it comes from the
procmail package, but in this instance it could probably be replaced
by a shell script.

-- 
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Rickey Hite wrote:

>  Could someone tell me how to fake a from header with Pine? My wife
> and I share an account (by using an alias for her) and I would love for
> her to be able to send mail with her alias in the From: field instead of
> the bogus gazer@(made up domain) and Reply-To:her address combination that
> I use now. All this does is confuse people as to what her address is. We
> are using Pine on a Unix system.
>  
>  Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions.
> 
> --
>    ^  ^   |"You can find some usefull stuff in the newsgroups if you |
>  ^(_)(_)^ | can enlist an AI with the patience to wade through all   |
> (_)/  \(_)| the garbage" -"Newsgroup Filter" from Netrunner by WotC  |
>   {____}  |                     :gazer@iglou.com:                    |
> 
> 



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Hi, 
I am using Pine 3.96 on a Sun with Sun OS, and there seems to be a small
bug that getting the first 100 messages from a remote news server is fine, but
>100 messages takes about 2 seconds per line in the Index screen.
If you then go back to the List screen and reenter the news group the same
problem, >100 news messages take ages to scroll through.
This has only happened in 3.96. (3.95 and 3.94 were both fine).

Anyone got any suggestions
please reply by email as well

Cheers Ian

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I need kill file ability in pine badly, this damn cyberpromo
site (savetrees.com) is filling my pine mail with crap mail
all the time.  (no, replying with 'remove' does no good).
Can I do a kill file in pine?
I have 3.95 pine, the help in it doesn't mention kill files.

Mark


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In article <3361637C.41C6@magister.ucdavis.edu>, Cathryn L Rhodes <cathy@magister.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I need to convert a very large Eudora addressbook to Pine format. Is
>this possible? 

Joseph Davidson has a web-based service that will do this, as well as many 
other address book conversions, at <http://www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm>.  

Eudora's address book structure is based upon the alias entries in a Unix 
mailrc file, but it is much more liberal in the formats that it accepts.  
In my experience Joseph's scripts don't cover all the possiblities that 
Eudora allows, so you may need to tinker with the file some after running it 
through his program.

-Ken

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For the first time, I have noticed a problem saving an attachment to a
file in PC-Pine. I have version 3.96. I have not noticed this problem
previously.

When I am in the Viewer and give the Save command, the document I wish to
save comes up in the Save To line but: 

1: I cannot use the ^T function to Go To Files: the keystroke makes
_something_ happen, but whatever it is halts very quickly and loops back
to where I was, and then everything freezes. I have to press ^C to get
out. 

2: After the freeze, I cannot type in an alternative path name. But if I
select "Use Dialog Boxes", I can. However, ^T still does that weird loop.

The ^T keystroke works to get me to files when I am trying to attach a
file. It also works to bring up the speller. (I have installed the PC
Speller. I wonder if that somehow interferes with the Save Attachment
commands?)

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On 29 Apr 1997, Mark Schlegel wrote:
> I need kill file ability in pine badly, this damn cyberpromo
> site (savetrees.com) is filling my pine mail with crap mail
> all the time.  (no, replying with 'remove' does no good).
> Can I do a kill file in pine?
> I have 3.95 pine, the help in it doesn't mention kill files.

Not precisely.  You will want to something with procmail or something
similar.  They are quite effective.  A mail-filtering FAQ is widely
available on the web.

</chris>

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In article <5k3srv$15l$2@news.crocker.com>,
Mark Schlegel <schlegel@crocker.com> wrote:
>
>I need kill file ability in pine badly, this damn cyberpromo
>site (savetrees.com) is filling my pine mail with crap mail
>all the time.  (no, replying with 'remove' does no good).
>Can I do a kill file in pine?
>I have 3.95 pine, the help in it doesn't mention kill files.

Check out 'procmail'.  This is a separate mail-filtering package, that
works regardless of your Mail User Agent (in your case, Pine, but could
also be mail(1), elm, pine, exmh, Netscape [yuck], etc.).  Do an Archie
search for it.

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	Hi there,

	I've just set up filter and found out something I don't like. When
you get mail and it's filtered out to a folder different from inbox you
don't get the New mail message when login. Is there a way of telling
filter/pine/whoever to notice that? I'm thinking about modifying my
profile to test folders but there must be something easier, isn't it?
Thanks in advance, bye!!

Adolfo I.C.

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From: "Adolfo Ibarra (FITO 97)" <uc830@estud.unican.es>
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Subject: Re: Pine Filtering Subject lines
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On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, David  Duncan wrote:

	Hi there!!

	You know what? I've just been able to make filter work. And now
you ask this. You should look for a filtering faq (I found it with Yahho!
using the words: filter elm and mail). There you can find how to set up
filter. It's not hard (nor easy), just remember to change the attributes
of your home directory and use the right sintax. In case you have already
set up filter the sintax for the rules is:

if [ subject = "wathever" ] then action    Where action should be one of
this: save folder_name
      savecopy folder_name

	Be carefull, specially until you get used to filter, or you'll
loose lots of mails!! 

	Hope this helps, Bye!!


> 
> I have been trying to read the filter help file but it is very (the one 
> that I have) sparse. I am trying to have Pine filter my messages based on 
> the subject line since I receive about 100-200 messages a day. Any help 
> on this? This is drive me crazy....
> 
> -Dave
> 
> ANy help would be greatly appreciated...
> 
> 
> 

Adolfo I.C.

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Hi,

I use pine under X11 in the following way:
(xterm -geometry 100x57+0+0 -fn 9x15 -e pine &)

I can see any character in the iso8859 character set, but I don't know
how to produce then. I have tried to type <compose><'><a> which works
in netscape, but I only get 'a in pine.

can anybody help me? my email is jcu1@cornell.edu

thanks,
--
                                            Juan Carlos Uribe Giraldo

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could anyone send me more information about the receipt printer that can
print windows application like excel or access?

I got a windows based application of access and wonder if it can be
printed on some small receipt printer

thanks

ming

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When using multiple address books, the nickname/alias is not checked for
duplicate entries in other address books. This is causing messages to be
sent to the wrong address. The need is to use multiple address books for
different discussions circles. In one address book the alias of BOB exists
and in a second address book an alias of BOB exists.
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<BR>When a user selects the alias BOB from the second address book the alias
in the first address book is used when sending the message. The question
is:
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<BR>Can pine be told which address book to use when using an alias (example:
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alias to see if the alias is already in use?

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	Anyone know how to decode a message that is encoded in UUcode?











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On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, The One and Only ANDREW SHI wrote:

> 	Anyone know how to decode a message that is encoded in UUcode?

save the file as something.txt or something.uu ...

at the unix command: uudecode <something.txt> or <something.uu>

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From: James Snow <snow@inficad.com>
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I've discovered that I kind of prefer vi to pico, and I was ecstatic over
the enable-alternate-editor-implicitly option, but my joy was short lived. 

The text that I write in vi doesn't wrap properly when it is imported back
into pine. From the sender's perspective, it looks like a bunch of long
lines. You see a few lines terminated by $'s. Which is all fine and dandy.
But from e recipients perspective (and you see this when you look at the
saved copy of the letter) the wrapping is somewhat fouled up. Text will go
for about 4 lines, and wrap suddenly half way through the fifth line,
resulting in a letter that looks like it was written while punching the
return key randomly. 

Other than using pico and consciously hitting return at the end of each
line in vi, does anyone know of a way around this?


Thanks,
-sno



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Un jour, hislopb@ozemail.com.au (hislopb@ozemail.com.au)
      affirmait publiquement que:

| Does anybody know of any utility that will work under Unix to advise
| of mail when not in Pine? 

You can use "wnewmail" or "newmail"... I don't know with which package it
comes with, but it's nice...

PS: it will notice even if you're in PINE ;-)

(Cc'ed)

__________________________________________________________________________
   TRAN, Huu Da                                  Université de Montréal
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On 30 Apr 1997, TRAN Huu Da wrote:

-> Date: 30 Apr 1997 04:00:39 GMT
-> From: TRAN Huu Da <JSP.UMontreal.CA!tranhu@ife-le.de>
-> To: Pine Discussion Forum <u.washington.edu!pine-info@ife-le.de>
-> Subject: Re: Question: utility to advise of new mail when not actually in Pine
-> 
-> Un jour, hislopb@ozemail.com.au (hislopb@ozemail.com.au)
->       affirmait publiquement que:
-> 
-> | Does anybody know of any utility that will work under Unix to advise
-> | of mail when not in Pine? 
-> 
-> You can use "wnewmail" or "newmail"... I don't know with which package it
-> comes with, but it's nice...
-> 
-> PS: it will notice even if you're in PINE ;-)
-> 
-> (Cc'ed)
-> 
-> __________________________________________________________________________
->    TRAN, Huu Da                                  Universiti de Montrial
->    tranhu@jsp.umontreal.ca         http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/
-> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
-> Nous vivons avec nos difauts comme avec les odeurs que nous portons: nous
-> ne les sentons plus, elles n'incommodent que les autres.  -- A. de Lambert
-> 
I'm using xbuffy. xbuffy opens n X-window, can watch many
incoming folders, and configured to open a xterm with Pine by clicking in
the xbuffy-window.
-- 
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Hi Folks,

when I try to compile pine for Linux, whether via build or make, it
always screws up.

echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c
echo "char hoststamp[]="\"`hostname`\"";" >> date.c
cc    -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o
adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o
init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o
other.o pine.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o
ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.c  ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a
-ltermcap -DTERMCAP_WINS
/usr/i486-linux/bin/ld: cannot open -ltermcap: No such file or directory
make: *** [pine] Error 1

Bloody well, what does that -ltermcap-thing mean, and how can I fix it.
Please reply via pm, as my newsreading isn't very reliable yet.

Thanx
TTYL
Clemens
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From: baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de (Friedemann Baitinger)
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Subject: Re: killfile for pine
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schlegel@crocker.com (Mark Schlegel) wrote:

>  
>  I need kill file ability in pine badly, this damn cyberpromo
>  site (savetrees.com) is filling my pine mail with crap mail
>  all the time.  (no, replying with 'remove' does no good).
>  Can I do a kill file in pine?
>  I have 3.95 pine, the help in it doesn't mention kill files.

As far as I understand the subject, mail filtering is not the job of a
'MUA' (Mail User Agent). PINE is a MUA. Mail filtering should be done
by the 'MTA' (Mail Transfer Agent?). Tell your 'archie' to seach for
'procmail'. procmail can probably configured such that it does what
you want.  


-- 
Friedemann Baitinger      baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de

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My posts written from pine always come up with the author field as the
to: line.

Where do I go to modify this?

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You can also use procmail to filter for pine.

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On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> 
> On 28 Apr 1997 mustun@sam.math.ethz.ch wrote:
> 
> > is it true, that in pine does not exist any filter 
> > mechanisme like in elm?
> 
>     That is correct.  At the present time, Pine does not do any mail or
> newsgroup filtering.  However, I am told that it is possible to use the
> elm filter independently and filter incoming mail before Pine reads it.
> 
> Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
> Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key
> Home Page:  http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart
> 
> 
> 


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Dear representative of pine!
	I would like to find one of my friend thru e-mail. He has an
e-mail address but I don't know it. What I am asking you is could you
please send me the e-mail address which I could write to so everyone using
e-mail in the world could read my message. That way I might be able to
find my friend.Thank you very much for your patiency.
				Sincerely Yakubjan.



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We are running on SCO 3.0 and would like to know if it is possible to have
Pine alert us when a mail message arrives.  We use a dial-up connection to
our IPS that is polled 4-6 times an hour.  It seems as though once the
messages are received, the only way to know (other than going into Pine to
check) is that upon logon we get a message "you have mail".  I have
checked the Setup menu thinking we don't have something configured
correctly but, I haven't stumbled on to anything yet.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Harris
harriswt@starworks-software.com



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In article <199704271857.NAA23625@dogbert.ipa.net>, Bush Family wrote:
>I'm doing a report on Iraq and I need to know how many people are in their
>army.  By any chance you know please E-mail me at bushfam@ipa.net
>
>
>
>PS it has to be done by the 30th of this month, Thanks

I don't know but your Uncle George might remember.


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On 25 Apr 1997, Kjell Andresen wrote:

> 
>    If the From: line had a 'wrong' email address, such as
>    sandvik@sgi.com-NO.SPAM, and it was easy to flip this on
>    per need, then most likely we could stop some of the
>    spamming. Just now we need to edit the From: field.
> 
> It would be easy to remove it by a program as well, e.g an additional
> cut would do the job..

The beauty is that each one of us could make our own
version, so whoever writes these 'pick up the email
addresses and spam' have to spend equal if not more time
changing their parser, style what we always have to do with
.procmail filters :-). Fight fire with fire. Is this a good
idea to make sure that the email spammers get bounced mail
so their mailboxes are full? --Kent


 ---
"From action the diversity of the world is produced."


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mac 8100/80  system 7.5.2  ot 1.1  96megs ram

using ncsa telnet2.7b4 to access shell account on two seperate isp's,
pine unexpectedly stalls during use. stalling appears random but seems
to occur most frequently when shifting from one function to another
(i.e. shifting from individual message back to index.)

ppp connection is being achieved via isdn 56k.

could this be a ncsa telnet problem? interrupt process has never worked,
and the only way to back out is to quit telnet......

thanks for any clues!

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I would like some information regarding historical (preferably 
American) events which occured on the 30 of December (especially 
1975).

Thank you very much
Scott Bonnell

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Hi all,

I was wondering if it might be possible to pipe all saves through gzip
with something like 'gzip -c pinefile >> myfolder.gz' to save in a folder,
and retrieve all folders using 'gunzip -c myfolder.gz | <pine> ' in order
to save disk space?

-- 
Geoffrey T. Cheshire <gtc@U.arizona.EDU>
Pgp Key <http://www.U.arizona.EDU/~gtc/home.html>

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: schlegel@crocker.com (Mark Schlegel) wrote:

: >  
: >  I need kill file ability in pine badly, this damn cyberpromo
: >  site (savetrees.com) is filling my pine mail with crap mail
: >  all the time.  (no, replying with 'remove' does no good).
: >  Can I do a kill file in pine?
: >  I have 3.95 pine, the help in it doesn't mention kill files.

In the alternative, if you get your mail from your ISP (i.e. don't run
your own MTA), you might be able to talk your ISP into filering well known
spammers from the system, possibly with an "opt-in" provision for users
who feel they're getting something useful from spam.com. I know that more
and more ISP's are doing this.

Refs:
http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mailbots.html
http://www.enee.umd.edu/medlab/filter/filter.html
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/blacklist.html
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/mailfilter.html
http://com.primenet.com/spamking/spamdam.html  	# ISP "spam damages" 

Hope this helps
Geoff
-- 
Geoffrey T. Cheshire <gtc@U.arizona.EDU>
Pgp Key <http://www.U.arizona.EDU/~gtc/home.html>

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Every time I start your ugly program I receive junk mail from you.
When I let it bounce, there's coming more.
I didn't ask for it. I don't want to see it again. EVER!





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You have reached an email robot at the University of Washington
operated on behalf of the Pine development team.

If you'd like to let the team know what you think about Pine or make a
suggestion that might help improve it, please feel free to send a note
to:  pine@cac.washington.edu

Your comments are appreciated, but it is impossible to answer every
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Finally, if you have World Wide Web access, the URL for the Pine
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You would need some sort of urldecoder which could be triggered by
modifying the mailcap.  I think NCSA httpd comes with "urldecode" whcih
might do the trick.

However, I found that you could make most (all?) browsers sent the message
properly like this:

<FORM ACTION=mailto:rsh@Au.oro.net ENC-TYPE:text/plain>

I can't remember if ENC-TYPE has a hyphen or not, try it both ways but I
know it works, because I had this problem (only because my boss wanted the
actuall From: address that netscape generates so a CGI wouldn't work).

Rick

 On 22 Apr 1997, Randall wrote:

> Hi folks...
> 
> I am using a mailto form on my web pages.  My provider won't allow CGI...
> So, I get all my mail via pine on my shell account and when I get the mail
> from my form, it arrives as an attachment of type: X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED
> 
> It is still just text, and it would make life SO much easier if I could
> view the text in pine instead of having to go into the viewer and save the
> attachment.  So, is there any voice of wisdom out there that  can point me
> in the right direction?  
> 
> Many thanks
> Randall
> 
> P.S.  Please respond with email to rsh@oro.net  THANKS!
> 

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Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.pine: 30-Apr-97 On this day in history
by sdbonnel@colby.edu 
> I would like some information regarding historical (preferably 
> American) events which occured on the 30 of December (especially 
> 1975).

Then post this question to a history newsgroup, like alt.history.  You
have mistakenly posted your question to a newsgroup relating to the PINE
e-mail program.

--Steve

Stephen R. Laniel                 |    "I was born not knowing and
Carnegie Mellon University        |     have only had a little time to
laniel@cmu.edu                    |     change that here and there."
www.andrew.cmu.edu/~laniel        |               --Richard Feynman


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In vi or in your .exrc file

:set wrapmargin=7

-- 
Rob.                           (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, James Snow wrote:

> 
> I've discovered that I kind of prefer vi to pico, and I was ecstatic over
> the enable-alternate-editor-implicitly option, but my joy was short lived. 
> 
> The text that I write in vi doesn't wrap properly when it is imported back
> into pine. From the sender's perspective, it looks like a bunch of long
> lines. You see a few lines terminated by $'s. Which is all fine and dandy.
> But from e recipients perspective (and you see this when you look at the
> saved copy of the letter) the wrapping is somewhat fouled up. Text will go
> for about 4 lines, and wrap suddenly half way through the fifth line,
> resulting in a letter that looks like it was written while punching the
> return key randomly. 
> 
> Other than using pico and consciously hitting return at the end of each
> line in vi, does anyone know of a way around this?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> -sno
> 
> 
> 
> 


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On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 sdbonnel@colby.edu wrote:

> I would like some information regarding historical (preferably 
> American) events which occured on the 30 of December (especially 
> 1975).
> 
> Thank you very much
> Scott Bonnell
> 
> 
On December 30, 1975, at this location, nothing happened.


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On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Ceri Williams wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Edward Wiles wrote:
> 
> > In Pine 3.95, pressing Ctrl-O (which should be Postpone Message) in the
> > Composer, is equivalent to pressing Ctrl-C, Cancel Message!
> > 
[snip]
> 
> Anyone got a better suggestion?
> 
[snip]


<ESC>-<ESC>-O  "simulates" <CTRL>-O


RegardS!
Wade.
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I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO FIND A RANDOM E-MAIL THAT I PUT OFF ANSWERING AT A
LATER DATE BUT NOW I CAN'T ANSWER IT B/C ALTHOUGH I DID NOT DELETE IT THE
ADDRESS & THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE CAN NOT BE FOUND

THIS WAS A RANDOM MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS MY IDENTICAL NAME AND I
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO WRITE HER BACK

IS IT POSSIBLE TO FIND AN E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT TO YOU ABOUT A MONTH AGO
BUT DIDN'T SAVE?????????????

if you have the answer, PLEASE e-mail me directly:

     mcfanelli@ucdavis.edu

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Hi!!

I have configured for pop3 today

but it fails to access INBOX after say 2 minutes or 
so. 

Also no. of times it is "core-dumping" on me.

WHAT SHOULD I DO??? I am really in trouble. I look around the 
archive but there is no definite answer to this. Any help
will be highly appreciated.

Tx,

Rajat Todi



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Hi,

Did you got your answer.

I am also getting the same problem.

Thanks,

Rajat Todi



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On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, James Snow wrote:

> 
> 
> I've discovered that I kind of prefer vi to pico, and I was ecstatic over
> the enable-alternate-editor-implicitly option, but my joy was short lived. 
Are you crazy,....how on earth could you prefer that primate editor "VI"
to the useful, helpful, normal interface if pico.

SkyWalker

                           
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