




From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 18:05
Subject: FW: Littleton Origami Group (LOG)  meeting notice, Tuesday May 30 ,

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Large Meeting Room" downstairs.

The Origami Exhibit in the Library looks great!
We may have some new faces at the meeting because of the display.

Highlights for this meeting:

Discussion about origami news, events, etc.

Kristine will have some historical goodies to show --
an 18th century metamorphosis (in color) and
the 1836 folding reference she wrote about to the listserv.

Bob will report on the possibility of doing a display for the
Tewksbury Library.

Dennis will bring some Korean, Spanish, and Japanese origami
books available from Kim's Crane web site.

Please bring your favorite origami models
to share, teach, or just show off.

Since the exhibit is only through the end of May, I'd like to
suggest leaving the last half hour of the meeting for taking
down the display, so we don't have to come back on Wednesday.

Dennis Brannon
dennis.brannon@compaq.com

When: Tuesday, May 30, 2000, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

=================================================
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 18:23
Subject: I Try

When I hear the word "crumble" I think paper...

Macy Gray's hit song "I Try" topped number 2 on the Billboard Charts...
Love this song.

I Try

Though I try to fold it, it's clear
My paper crumbles and tears right here
Here is my confession
Its just an obsession
Boy, I need your touch
Your skill, talent and such
With all my might I try
But this I can't deny
I play it off but I'm really in doubt
I'll keep my cool, but I'm failing
I try different things and I choke
Try to fix it with tape and I fumble
Though I try to fold it, its clear
My paper crumbles and tears right here

It's funny how just a few changes make this song about Origami.

Take Care,
Kathy  <*))))><





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:04
Subject: Re: Foil

 And would you recommend it if you're
>still living at home with your parents? (Remember, in Latin America it's
>still common practice.)
>
>Gracias!
>JC

What are you planning on doing kinky stuff with the paper?

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:06
Subject: Re: Foil

I wetfold from lizard paper (the black stuff), some brown stuff that looks
corrugated (pretty yucky stuff actually) and xerox paper!  I've been
meaning to try elephant hide paper, but it's so expensive!  Isn't it a
dollar a sheet?  I'll have to try the watercolor paper.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:08
Subject: Kim's Crane versus other online stores

I've noticed that for several of the books I looked at Kim's Crane were
less than half the price of the other online stores.  This is awesome!  Why
are the prices so much cheaper there than the other stores?

David





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:15
Subject: Re: Foil

David,

>I wetfold from lizard paper (the black stuff), some brown stuff that looks
>corrugated (pretty yucky stuff actually) and xerox paper!  I've been
>meaning to try elephant hide paper, but it's so expensive!  Isn't it a
>dollar a sheet?  I'll have to try the watercolor paper.

I haven't tried elephant hide, but quality watercolour paper isn't cheap
either.  However, sometimes you just gotta have it!  I bought some lovely
mystery paper the other week for about $5 for a 2x3 foot sheet.  It makes
the most *beautiful* roses though :)

Just a friendly word so you don't get a shock in your art supply store :)

Later!

Lar





From: Steve Geiling <srgeiling@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:15
Subject: Re: Hints

Scott, Thanks a bunch for the lead.  If I stepped on your toes, I'm sorry.

>From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Hints
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:54:20 -0400
>
>Steve Geiling sez:
>
> >Every since I joined this group, I have
> >only recieved "personal stories" or "junk". You are the first to give me
> >some hint of history about origami.
>
>     There is an archive of all manner of history and anything else you
>might
>want to know about origami at:  http://webtemp.kvi.nl/cgi-bin/oigquery.sh
>You will, of course, have to make your inquiries specific, in order to
>avoid
>"personal stories" or "junk". A search of David Lister's posts will provide
>you with more than a few 'hints'.
>
>     Alternatively, you can simply lurk on the list , and eventually useful
>tidbits will fall into your inbox, with no effort whatsoever on your part.
>
>Scott scram@landmarknet.net

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From: "Sandra P. Hoffman" <ghidra@MAGMA.CA>
Date: 24 May 2000 22:22
Subject: Re: Origami supplies in Ottawa?

I was ill from April 9th till about May 15th and moved house (well
mostly my husband and friends moved house around me) on May
1st, so I'm really late responding to this. Chapters stores in the
Ottawa area do have a good selection of origami books. There are
no Indigo stores in the Ottawa area, although I believe there is one
in Kingston. Michaels, Lewiscraft and Scholar's Choice in the
Ottawa area have only a limited selection of papers, in my
experience, and don't always have any at all.

Pack Rabbit on Richmond Road in Westboro and East Wind on
Bank Street in the Glebe both have a wonderful selection of papers
for the Ottawa area. I suspect it would be considered fairly minimal
by Toronto standards. I've also picked up a couple of Momotani
books at Pack Rabbit. The proprieters seem interested in bringing
in some of the harder to find books.

There may be more stuff available in the outlying areas of Ottawa,
but I only go where I can easily walk or bus.

sph

On 26 Apr 2000, at 11:25, Jennifer Campbell wrote:

> Hi, especially folders who live near/have shopped in Ottawa, Ont.,
>
> Could someone please inform me of stores in the Ottawa (or perhaps
> Cornwall?) area which carry origami paper or books? I searched the archives
> and did not find such a list (just a request for one, which likely resulted
> in private correspondence). This past weekend, I visited family near Ottawa
> and turned a bunch of kids on to origami... I taught a class at a small-town
> public library and then the next day, since I had my supplies with me,
> folded with my cousin's two children. Now I am being asked where books and
> paper can be obtained (especially origami paper. You should have heard the
> gasp of delight when I opened up my box of paper!)





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 23:39
Subject: Re: Foil

I haven't done a great deal of wet folding, but I have folded some papers that
     I haven't seen mentioned yet.

The first paper I wet folded was some unknown paper brought in to our local
     origami group in order to demonstrate wet folding.  It was so incredibly
     thick that it hurt our hands/arms to apply enough pressure to fold.  The
     resulting coiled snake is to this

One of my favorite papers to use water with is tanabata, mostly spraying it
     after it is folded.  It makes fantastic Kawasaki roses.  It can be rewet
     and reworked several times before it starts to look fuzzy.  The only
     problem with using wet tanabata durin

This spring while folding several models for OUSA to send to Moscow for an
     exhibition there, I wet folded or sprayed everything except some dragons
     folded out of heavy foil gift wrap.  I did this to ensure that they would
     survive shipping better and handl

Carol Martinson





From: Cal faile <calfaile@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 00:30
Subject: Re: Weapon models?

>Hey, you can make a stop here in Venezuela if you want! Trust me, you'll be
>more than welcome.

Hmmm. We'll see.  Gotta taalk with my mom first, she's the boss. :)

>OK... well, as for guns, I've only seen a pistol folded from dollar bills,
>but I haven't seen anything...

My friend is not a creat lover of art.  I think that if I gave Ricky a model
made of money, he'll dismantle it without A Second thought in order to spend
it!

Thanx,

Calfaile
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From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 25 May 2000 04:45
Subject: Publishing announcement

Just remembered I forgot to honour a promise to Bren Reisinger of
Fascinating Folds to send a message to this list about my new book Paper
Crystals. Sorry Bren ..... but here goes!

Paper Crystals is a book of modular origami designs, most of which came to
be in the late 1980's early 1990's but have been continuously improved and
revised since and have stood the test of time. Basically the models are
decorative balls and stars which use unusual modular methods or geometries
.... in particular 3 of them allow the folding to continue after the
assembly process is complete. One of these, the 6-part Enigma Cube, is
probably the hardest piece of modular origami ever published .... in terms
of folding technique rather than patience, that is.

Here is a full list of contents:

Metamorphosis - a beautiful distortion of one corner of a cube

Spiral Cluster - the 'sonobe icosahedron' made from 12 coloured 'spirals'

Cloud of Stars - 12 stars set against the backdrop of the night sky!

Sappho - a multi-purpose module that makes all those shapes other modules
can't reach

Aurora - a kusudama ball you don't need to glue or sew together

Gemini - twin forms from the same module

Electra - you know this one!

Proteus - a 30 piece dodecahedral sculpture. Perhaps the most beautiful
piece of modular origami ever

Andromeda - Bob Neale's octahedron surrounded by a 12 pointed star. Weird
but wonderful

Omega - Philip Shen's classic design .... but made from waterbomb bases

The Enigma Cube - a cube surrounded by rigid curved collars - 2 methods ....
one of which has never seen the light of day before.

Further details can be found on my website at
www.mizushobai.freeserve.co.uk/crystals.htm

I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a fortnight but I'll gladly respond to any
questions etc when I get back.

Have fun!

Dave Mitchell





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 04:47
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek
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From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 04:47
Subject: Diagrams: Collecting

Wanted:
I collect package diagrams, (the kind packaged with paper), and would
appreicate help in compiling them.

I am looking information as to when they started to include them with the
paper and as to whoes' designs they are if possible.

Would like to see some from before the universal symbols were developed if
anyone has any that old.
          Thank's
                         Mike Kanarek
                         17 Clinton Ave.
                         Kingston, NY 12401
Kanarekorigami@Hotmail.com
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From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 25 May 2000 07:21
Subject: wet-folding paper (was Re: Foil)

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Doug Philips wrote:

> What about everyone else, what is the most fun/unusual/common "paper" that
> you wet fold? (Found papers are more the focus of my query, but if you make
> your own paper, chime in too!)

I just did a quick (and by no means comprehensive) search of the archives,
and I think it can be safely said that Ros wet-folds "everything". Among
the materials mentioned were foil-backed paper(!?), "leatherette", fabric
(bonded to other paper), something called Fadeless......when you have an
email address as "fold4wet", you're someone to consult on this matter!

I have had the most success using Canson paper (Mi-Teintes), about 150gsm.
I have also tried some of the "parchment-type" papers, anything that has
that elephant hide feel to it (of course you need to feel elephant hide
first...) with great results. The colours can be a little plain.

Anita Barbour has made some suminagashi, which I have wet-folded into
salmon and snails (among other things). I don't know what she used for the
base-paper - the finished product was not as "strong" as others (less
sizing in the paper?) - but it is still sitting on the shelf looking
freshly folded.

regards
Michael





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 25 May 2000 07:28
Subject: Re: Kim's Crane versus other online stores [no answer]

Well, I don't know why Kim's Crane prices are good, but I'm certain
they don't mean poorer service. Kim's a truly friendly shop - IMHO
almost perfect (oh well, they could carry more Spanish titles and
update that W*rd catalog - :) )

        Sincerely,
                Carlos (no, I'm not a shareholder of Kim's...)
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 25 May 2000 08:28
Subject: Re: Kim's Crane versus other online stores [no answer]

I second that motion!

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "Carlos Alberto Furuti" <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Jueves 25 de Mayo de 2000 07:23 AM
Asunto: Re: Kim's Crane versus other online stores [no answer]

> Well, I don't know why Kim's Crane prices are good, but I'm certain
> they don't mean poorer service. Kim's a truly friendly shop - IMHO
> almost perfect (oh well, they could carry more Spanish titles and
> update that W*rd catalog - :) )
>
>         Sincerely,
>                 Carlos (no, I'm not a shareholder of Kim's...)
>         furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 08:53
Subject: ''Virtual Origami''

Dear All,

I had a thought the other day (yes, a whole one!).

The level of complexity in models these days is extremely high.  Much
help can be given by computers in deciding where the free points of a
subject (eg: legs, toes, etc) should be distributed across the flat
paper sheet, so that an efficient crease pattern can be designed.
Thus, the complexity of the model seems not to be the limited by the
imagination of the creator or by the power of the computer, but by the
physical constraints of the paper -- ie: how many layers can be bulked
together before it splits, or it won't hold a crease or it becomes too
small (I
realise much depends on the size and type of paper/foil used, but this
isn't my point).

My thought then, was this: has anyone designed a 'virtual origami'
model?  That is, a model so complex it cannot be folded, but which
*can* exist as a computer model.  I'm not referring to complex,
difficult-to-fold models, designed with the assistance of a
computer -- I mean deliberately using the computer to design forms
that a sheet of paper cannot achieve.

In what ways would a virtual model differ from a physical one?  Is it
even a feasible concept?  What form would its exposition take -- an
animation?, sequence diagrams?, something else?  I've seen animations
of topologically interesting surface structures transforming,
spliting, joining, etc, and what's in my mind isn't too far from this.

Maybe it's a question asked way too early.  Maybe I should ask it
again in 2010 (and I don't mean 'ten past eight'!)

Regards,

Paul Jackson
mpjackson@btinternet.com
www.origami-artist.com





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 25 May 2000 09:42
Subject: Translations?

Hello all :)

One of the greatest things about origami is how the diagrams are non
language specific.  I own many books in Japanese and couple in other
languages and enjoy folding them immensely, even if I don't always know
precisely the name of whatever it is I'm folding.

However, it is a frustration to me that I do not read Japanese because
there are tantalizing looking articles and passages in some of them that I
know I'd be interested in.  That new Yoshizawa book (I can't remember the
english translation of it's name) has photos of Mr. Y in the back along
with what I can only assume is an interview or some sort of article on or
by him.  I bought the Matsuo mask book "Origao" recently and it too has a
*gorgeous* gallery of masks - all with annotations I can't read.  I've even
tried downloading a couple HUGE software demos to ocr and translate
Japanese characters - with some very humourous if incomprehensible results.

Yeah yeah, stop whining and get to the point ;)

I was wondering if there is any kind soul out there who *has* translated
these for their own enjoyment and would be willing to share that information.

Thanks for your time :)

Lar

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From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 25 May 2000 09:46
Subject: Re: wet-folding paper (was Re: Foil)

Hi Michael !
You wrote:
> ......suminagashi, which I have wet-folded into salmon and snails (among
other >things). I don't know what she used for the base-paper -
        Suminagashi (for those who may not know) is Japanese marbling on
paper or silk.  The word translates as "spilled ink" or "floating ink"  --
floating ink is the more accurate description.  It is an ancient art;
examples from the 12th century survive in Japan.
        Unlike Western marbling, suminagashi is done on the surface of a pan
of plain water, with liquid inks (sumi traditionally; I use India ink and
colored inks by Winsor-Newton and Higgins).  The ink is gently placed onto
the surface of the water, where it spreads and forms patterns.  The paper is
laid on top of it for a few seconds.  The paper needs to be absorbent or the
ink slides off when the paper is lifted from the pan.  Handmade Japanese
paper is expensive; I found an acceptable substitute at the surplus goods
store.  It is industrial paper, made for placing between ceramic tiles to
cushion them for shipping.
        The local surplus store is gone, unfortunately; I've never seen this
paper anywhere else.  At the time, it cost only $1 for 500 sheets!  I bought
all they had.

> the finished product was not as "strong" as others (less sizing in the
paper?)
        Yes, less sizing in the paper is what makes it absorbent.  It also
has been thoroughly wetted already, in the suminagashi process.  Perhaps
re-wetting weakens it further, dissolving the sizing?  Folded dry it is
pretty tough paper, but it is a little thick for the more complex models.
For a picture of some, see Perry Bailey's "Coot" on his web site.
        If anyone else knows of a source for this tile paper, I would like
to hear about it.  I use to use it rather wastefully, practicing brush
calligraphy and sumi-e strokes.  Now I hoard it and use it only for
suminagashi, and of course, for origami.
                    Anita





From: Todd Vernon <tvernon@CROSSWINDS.NET>
Date: 25 May 2000 09:52
Subject: Origami supplies in (North) Toronto?

I wish I had seen this last week as I was in Ottawa Friday night...of course
I would have had to rely on my brother to direct me around.

I'm relatively new to purchasing paper (instead of using xerox paper scraps)
so any selection seems to be a gold mine for me. Does anyone know of stores
in the Richmond Hill area (north of Toronto). I buy some from 'My Gifted
Child' which gets them from the Japanese Paper Place in Toronto. I'd love to
make it down there to see a wider selection but I never have opportunity.

Todd...

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Sandra
P. Hoffman
Sent: May 24, 2000 22:11
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Origami supplies in Ottawa?

I was ill from April 9th till about May 15th and moved house (well
mostly my husband and friends moved house around me) on May
1st, so I'm really late responding to this. Chapters stores in the
Ottawa area do have a good selection of origami books. There are
no Indigo stores in the Ottawa area, although I believe there is one
in Kingston. Michaels, Lewiscraft and Scholar's Choice in the
Ottawa area have only a limited selection of papers, in my
experience, and don't always have any at all.

Pack Rabbit on Richmond Road in Westboro and East Wind on
Bank Street in the Glebe both have a wonderful selection of papers
for the Ottawa area. I suspect it would be considered fairly minimal
by Toronto standards. I've also picked up a couple of Momotani
books at Pack Rabbit. The proprieters seem interested in bringing
in some of the harder to find books.

There may be more stuff available in the outlying areas of Ottawa,
but I only go where I can easily walk or bus.

sph





From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 25 May 2000 09:57
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

I had a thought along similar lines this morning - a virtual create your own
model application (not to be confused with Lang's famous base generator).
My latest fascination is with Macromedia Flash, and I was thinking how the
user interface would make it easy to have  a sheet of paper, have the user
select a line type (valley, mountain) and then draw the line across where to
"fold" and have the computer do it.  Then you could add some complex folds
(like squash, crimp, sink), and give the user appropriate abilities to make
that possible.  Not being too strong in my geometry and math, I don't think
I could do it to handle real creation.  But I could imagine it to follow
some set steps.

If you look at a simple diagram of bases and resulting models, like a
biology's family, genus, species chart (there are a couple scattered around
various books that cover fish, waterbomb, and bird bases), I'm imagining a
virtual "pick the route along the chart" you want to take.  Rather than
showing the whole chart, it would only show the current view of the paper
and different selectable options.  When you've arrived at a completed model,
it could show the diagrams to that point and/or the route along the bases
diagram.  Although it would only handle the typical simple folds that tend
to come with packs of origami paper, and geared toward beginner folders, it
would still be a cool thing to do.  With a little animation and an undo
button, it could teach standard diagramming symbols.  It would show the
common ancestry of different models and give the "feel" of creating your own
model because you wouldn't know what you were going to end up with when you
start.  You could even do it as a puzzle:  Can you figure out how to fold
the dog pictured above?

As for the virtual folder described below, it's an interesting idea, but
you'd have to set some ground rules.  For instance, when you make a fold,
are you going to subtract the height of the crease from the amount of
available paper, or just assume that the paper is so flat it has no height
and thus creases have no height?

- T

mailto: origami@cattail.nu
http://www.cattail.nu

----- Original Message Clip -----
> My thought then, was this: has anyone designed a 'virtual origami'
> model?  That is, a model so complex it cannot be folded, but which
> *can* exist as a computer model.  I'm not referring to complex,
> difficult-to-fold models, designed with the assistance of a
> computer -- I mean deliberately using the computer to design forms
> that a sheet of paper cannot achieve.





From: "Sandra P. Hoffman" <ghidra@MAGMA.CA>
Date: 25 May 2000 12:07
Subject: Re: Origami supplies in (North) Toronto?

On 25 May 2000, at 9:36, Todd Vernon wrote:

> I wish I had seen this last week as I was in Ottawa Friday night...of course
> I would have had to rely on my brother to direct me around.

Sorry about that. I had over 600 origami list emails to catch up on
and when I'm that far behind I always work backwards through time
to avoid sending redundent replies or restarting arguments that
have already been settled. The request for information was from
some time in April so it took awhile to work my way back to it. I did
reply publicly so the information would be archived for future
reference. Hopefully future seekers in Ottawa will have an easier
time finding the information.

sph





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 25 May 2000 13:17
Subject: Re: Foil

Lar de Souza wrote:

I bought some lovely
> mystery paper the other week for about $5 for a 2x3 foot sheet.  It makes
> the most *beautiful* roses though :)

What is "mystery paper" ?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 25 May 2000 15:49
Subject: Re: mystery paper

At 07:11 PM 5/25/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Lar de Souza wrote:
>
>I bought some lovely
>> mystery paper the other week for about $5 for a 2x3 foot sheet.  It makes
>> the most *beautiful* roses though :)
>
>
>What is "mystery paper" ?

Sorry.  I just meant I have no idea what sort of paper it is.  I think it's
just a nice thin strong cotton rag, with a sort of crumpled texture printed
onto it.  It's several shades of dusty pink, going from light to almost
black and that only adds to the rose's beauty when folded.  The back side
isn't white, but it isn't printed either.  Some of the pink has bled
through from the darker areas.

I bought a second sheet done in browns that I've folded several African
Animals from.  It's very nice to work with.  I'll have to ask about it next
time I'm at the art store.

Lar

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From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 25 May 2000 16:56
Subject: Re: Kim's Crane versus other online stores

david whitbeck wrote:
> I've noticed that for several of the books I looked at Kim's Crane were
> less than half the price of the other online stores.  This is awesome!  Why
> are the prices so much cheaper there than the other stores?

Kim's Crane has Korean editions of some of the Japanese books.  The Korean
versions are much cheaper, I suppose because the Korean currency and economy
are much weaker than Japan's.  If you can't read Japanese or Korean you
might as well save a few bucks.

--Neil





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 18:03
Subject: Dave Mitchel: Paper Crystals

Dave,

I just talked to Phyliss Meth and OUSA has recieved your books.

They will be available at convention.

IT is a beautiful book. I got to look at it. I will get mine at convention.

Mark Kennedy.





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 25 May 2000 18:29
Subject: Re: Kim's Crane versus other online stores [no answer]

I third it, I've been used Kims crane about 10 times in the past year and a
half since hearing about it on the list. I've always found they're service to
be friendly, helpful and efficient.

I can't recommend them enough, basically place an order and I can guarantee
you won't be dissapointed

C'ya
David Stephenson  (Another V.Happy customer)





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 25 May 2000 23:20
Subject: Make it with Paper correction

HI all,

I recently posted a message regarding the (almost) reprint of Paul
Jackson's Classic Origami in the book mentioned above. Here is a couple of
corrections to my previous statements:

The book Make it with Paper was co-authored with Vivien Frank.
After rechecking the models included, I have discovered that only David
Brill's rhino was left out of MIWP book - both Martin Wall's rowing boat
and Takuji Sugimura's Eternally Opening Origami appear (I knew my memory
would give out at some point).

Just as a thought - I wonder if "Origami & Papercraft:A step-by-step
Guide" (another title I have seen listed under the same authors) is the
same book under a different title?

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                    phone/voice mail: +61 6 (02) 6201 5665
Communication & Education                    fax: +61 6 (02) 6201 5068
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PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616

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From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 25 May 2000 23:43
Subject: Re: Make it with Paper correction

    "Origami and Papercraft- a Step by Step
Guide" is a completely different book. The
origami tends toward simple and traditional
models. Like all of Mr. Jackson's it well thought
out and presented.

                    Marion

http://community.webtv.net/marion-r/ModularOrigami

http://community.webtv.net/marion-r/WHATTHEHELLDOWECALL





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 26 May 2000 00:37
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

At 01:34 PM 5/25/00 +0100, Paul Jackson wrote:
>
>My thought then, was this: has anyone designed a 'virtual origami'
>model?  That is, a model so complex it cannot be folded, but which
>*can* exist as a computer model.

Um, Jeremy Shafer designed an "Atom" (I believe it was called). Yes, there
are directions requiting the folder to fold a square into an infintesimally
small form.

On a serious note, I like (real) origami for its inherent thickness. Still,
a virtual model would be neat. The appreciation would come from watching
the image collapse into form, so that would be hard to design. Still, a few
people out there have done work in that direction, but I have only seen
snippets of it. All of the animations I have seen thus far could be done
(better I think) with a real folding medium).

Marc

http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 26 May 2000 01:01
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

Hi Paul,

I'll give it a try. If you start with a square piece of paper (I'm a
purist) of zero thickness and, hence, weightless, you can theoretically
fold anything out of it, even complex mathematical models. That, I think,
would be virtual origami folded from virtual paper.

Cheng Chit





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 01:48
Subject: New Yorkers offering a place to stay for OUSA 2000?

Are there any New Yorkers attending OUSA 2000 who would let me stay with
them during the convention?

--Neil





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 26 May 2000 02:29
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

Paul Jackson yesterday suggested the possiblility of "virtual" origami, that
is paperfolding where the physical restraints of the paper are removed. He
implies that perhaps such complex models might be folded in the future on
computers.

I am not a mathematician, but I have sufficient knowlege of how it works to
know that once you remove the physical constraints of paper from
paperfolding, there is no limit to what can be "folded". For instance a
mathematician will be able to fold in four dimensions, or for that matter in
n dimensions. Indeed, although I cannot now recall the reference, I'm sure
that I have come across a previous  mention of folding in more than three
dimensions.

The trouble with such procedures is visualisaton. It is just - but only just-
possible to visualise the fourth dimension, or something approaching it by
the analogy of the comparison between two dimensions and three dimensions
transferred to three and four dimensions.

Without visualisation, I find it difficutlt to think what value or use
folding in more than three dimensions would be for the practical paperfolder.

I don't really think that folding in multiple dimensions was what Paul
Jackson had in mind. But surely any folding which goes beyond the physical
restraints of the paper must be extremely difficult to conceptualise and even
more difficult to communicate to another folder.

As I say, I'm not a mathematician and perhaps  a mathematician could comment.

Meanwhile, Paul is greatly to be thanked for raising a very interesting and
stimulating idea.

Dvid Lister.





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 May 2000 04:19
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

I've often dreamed of virtual origami. I hadn't thought about designing for
the virtual world, but it would be interesting to play with zero-thickness
paper. As long as we're dreaming, how about VR gloves so the user can get
"hands on" with the virtual origami. Then you could just fold (with the aid
of VR glasses) and the software could do the diagramming for you. Of course
the gloves would have to be better than the virtual mittens that I've seen,
but I'm not up on the latest stuff.

It would also be nice to be able to adjust the thickness of the virtual paper
to simulate real papers. Ideally, other folding characteristics could be
altered as well to distinguish between types of paper (foil, etc.)

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 08:20
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

Hellooo,

>>>
[David Lister writes}
I am not a mathematician, but I have sufficient knowlege of how it works to
know that once you remove the physical constraints of paper from
paperfolding, there is no limit to what can be "folded". For instance a
mathematician will be able to fold in four dimensions, or for that matter in
n dimensions. Indeed, although I cannot now recall the reference, I'm sure
that I have come across a previous  mention of folding in more than three
dimensions.
<<<

David is referring to some of the mathematical research by Toshikazu
Kawasaki on "high dimensional flat origamis".  Basically, Kawasaki
describes what it might be like for "folding" to happen in, say,
the 4th dimension.  The idea is that we are 3D creatures who fold
2D paper.  Thus a 4D creature would "fold" 3D paper - or rather, it
would be more like a 4D creature "folding" a solid block of wood.
Instead of folding paper along crease lines, like we do, this
4D creature would "fold" the 3D block along "crease planes", and
this would cause the block of wood to intersect itself in ways
that are hard to imagine - and yes, this would be impossible to do
in only 3 dimensions, but in the 4th dimension such self-intersections
would be allowable.  It is weird, but Kawasaki argues that some
of the mathematical theorems that hold for folding a piece of paper
would also hold when "folding" a 3D block of wood.  In the end, this
seems to be merely a mental amusement, but like much of mathematics,
who knows if it will ever prove useful in some other context.

Another possibility would be for a 4D creature to fold a 2D sheet
of paper like we do, BUT because the 4D creature has an extra
dimension to use, it could make the paper intersect itself.
That is, the 4D creature could, say, make a waterbomb base and
reverse-fold one of the flaps at an angle which would be impossible
for us to do (inside-reverse-fold, I mean) because it would cause
the flap to go through other layers of paper.  Contemplating such
impossible tricks might be fun, but it does make me think that
one could "get away with anything" and remove the challenging
aspect of origami design.  But who knows - perhaps computer displays
of such "self-intersecting origami" could be made and some might
be fould to be quite beautiful.

I apologize in advance for anyone hoping to look at some of Kawasaki's
research articles, which I alluded to above.  Most of them were
published in *very* obscure Japanese math journals.  However,
there is a nice article by him in the "Origami Science and Math:
Proceedings of the 2nd International Conference on Origami Science and
Scientific Origami" book which includes his description of high-
dimensional folding.  For specific references, see the section
of my origami-math bibliography on mathematical modeling of
paperfolding:

http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/Mathmodelbib.html

Have fun!

----- Tom "currently in Iowa" Hull





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 26 May 2000 08:37
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

> At 01:34 PM 5/25/00 +0100, Paul Jackson wrote:
> >
> >My thought then, was this: has anyone designed a 'virtual origami'
> >model?  That is, a model so complex it cannot be folded, but which
> >*can* exist as a computer model.

My God, aren't we getting profound! I love this!

It's an interesting thought, and I think it's very possible -- even
probable -- that in a couple of years somebody will design such a model. I
mean, twenty years ago nobody could have imagined the kind of models we see
today as common place. I don't think Robert Harbin could have imagined
Robert Lang's Organist, Peter Engel's Knight on a Horseback, or Marc
Kirschenbaum's Biplane, to name just a few. So who knows what awaits for the
paper world in the coming future, be it in this life... or the next.

JC

P.S.: [NO] Watch GLADIATOR if you haven't yet. You'll thank me later.





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 26 May 2000 08:43
Subject: Re: New Yorkers offering a place to stay for OUSA 2000?

I'll go a little further: is there any RICH New Yorker that will buy me the
plane ticket AND let me stay?

(Just kidding of course... and unfortunately. <sigh>)

JC

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "Neil Eisman" <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Viernes 26 de Mayo de 2000 01:48 AM
Asunto: New Yorkers offering a place to stay for OUSA 2000?

> Are there any New Yorkers attending OUSA 2000 who would let me stay with
> them during the convention?
>
> --Neil





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 12:22
Subject: technical question about Lang's Scarab Beetle

Instead of a how question or a what question I have a why question!  Does
anybody know why step 24/25 is needed?  Since it doesn't appear on the top
of the bug I don't think it's for appearance.  So it seems to me that it
has to be for structural reasons, but where?  I can't tell what fold needs
that step to be done right.  Does anybody know the importance and reason of
step 24?  Thank you for your time and happy folding:)

David





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 26 May 2000 12:30
Subject: A foreigner's question about the convention (hey, that rhymes...)

So everybody is all psyched up about the convention.

So y'all are looking forward to come together with the grown, growing and
grown-ups of the origami world.

While little ol' me, poor Venezuelan that I am, must be content to hear what
all of you will be telling me once the convention is over.

But that's okay.

No, really.

<sniff>

;-)

No, seriously. What dates are the convention? Where is it held? What should
attendees expect? What's the schedule? Can any one go?In sghort, can you all
tell me what I'll be missing so I can tell the AOV what we're missing? (I
WILL be there next year. Mark my words.)

Saludos,
The lonely Venezuelan
JC





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 12:36
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

David Lister wrote that there is no limit for what can be folded.  Now my
question is aren't all our one sheet no cut models homotopies?  Aren't they
all topologically equivalent to our sheet of paper?  It seems that most
animals aren't topologically equivalent to a sheet of paper.  So even
though we can use computers to greatly expand origami, we can only go so
far.

David





From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 26 May 2000 13:31
Subject: Re: A foreigner's question about the convention (hey, that rhymes...)

Juan Carlo Rodrguez              <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve> writes:

> No, seriously. What dates are the convention? Where is it held? What should
> attendees expect? What's the schedule? Can any one go?In sghort, can you all
> tell me what I'll be missing so I can tell the AOV what we're missing? (I
> WILL be there next year. Mark my words.)

Yeah, is there any info on it online somewhere?  OUSA's webpage on it
is rather content-empty, and since I live on Long Island, I'd like to
go (and just mailed my membership check today) but I don't know if
I'll get info on it in time to do anything.

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
168 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes, 25 seconds till we run away.
All men have the right to wait in line.





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 May 2000 15:07
Subject: Re: Origami Train Engine Challenge

If anyone is interested, I have posted diagrams for a train engine and three
different cars to my website:

http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/

The site is best viewed with IE (the AOL browser works too). It can be
accessed with Navigator, but the pages don't display properly: the navigation
bar doesn't work so each page of diagrams must be accessed directly
(e.g.:http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/page1.htm     then /page2 etc.)
Another Navigator problem is that the scroll bars only work by clicking the
little arrows -- if the slider is used, the diagrams disappear. You'll
probably have to load the pages twice with Navigator and wait forever too.
Don't ask me why. I don't know. If anyone can't access the diagrams on the
sight I will e-mail them on request. Please specify file format preference.

I hope I've struck the right balance between simplicity and verisimilitude.
The designs are based on 3/7 rectangle, so they can be folded from US
currency if desired.

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 26 May 2000 15:33
Subject: Re: technical question about Lang's Scarab Beetle

Hi David,

    It has been a while since I folded it, but looking at the diagrams makes
me think that you need to fold that collar down in order to maximize some
folds on the legs, much later in the model. You can probably get by without
doing that step, but my best guess is that one pair of legs will be
constricted in some way.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 26 May 2000 18:01
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

David Whitbeck wrote earlier today:

> David Lister wrote that there is no limit for what can be folded.  Now my
>  question is aren't all our one sheet no cut models homotopies?  Aren't they
>  all topologically equivalent to our sheet of paper?  It seems that most
>  animals aren't topologically equivalent to a sheet of paper.  So even
>  though we can use computers to greatly expand origami, we can only go so
>  far.

Put that way, I agree that all models are topologically equivalent to a
single sheet of paper capable of being reduced to a plane. In contrast a
living animal is a three dimensional being of extreme complexity of structure
and form.

But..... if the folding process is allowed to take place in an infinite
number of dimensions and if the folding process is allowed to be infinite,
then anything MUST be foldable.

Of course, it's hypothetical: of course, it bears no relationship to
actuality or anything that bears any sensible relationship to common
experience or to common perception: and, of course, it raises nice
philosophical questions.

But for us mortals, DOESN'T it enlarge our perception of folding? And doesn't
it stretch our imaginations?  Which is surely the purpose of this present
exercise.

David Lister.





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 26 May 2000 18:22
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

I have a couple of mailing lists like that too. I just
set up a filter to shunt the dross into the bit
bucket. Works like a charm for those
lists-that-will-not-die.

"Where is the origami content?" You ask...

I'm back after a few months off-line due to a massive
relocation. Just curious, as mid-year approaches,
whether anyone has kept up with that daily origami
calendar. I was a good boy for most of January,
diligently doing my daily folds, but then lapsed for a
while. I did a little catch-up about two weeks ago and
found that only about half the models even appealed to
me. I like the 3-D models. Seems many of the models in
the calendar are 2-D, and I guess I just have
philosophical friction with an animal model that can't
stand on its legs/fins/pick your favorite form of
locomotion.

The only other problem I have had with it is that the
paper isn't square, but I'm not the first to notice
that.

Other opinions? As though it's necessary to solicit
opinions on the Internet. :)

Aloha,

John

--- Jacqueline Duncan <DuncanbyDesign@ATT.NET> wrote:
> Are you sure you want to do this?  I'm having to
> delete 70-80 e-mails daily
> due to lack of reading time...  AND I can't seem to
> "unsubscribe" no matter
> WHERE I write to!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List
> [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Bob Burt
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:56 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: How to get on origami-l
>
>
> This may seem like a dumb question but how do I get
> on origami-l?
>
> Thanks

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From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 26 May 2000 18:50
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

David Lister says:
>
> But..... if the folding process is allowed to take place in an infinite
> number of dimensions and if the folding process is allowed to be
infinite,
> then anything MUST be foldable.
>
Sorry, I couldn't resist re-sending my koan:

The Supreme Being
Folds in many dimensions
Humans up to three

Happy folding!

Cheng Chit





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 20:32
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

If you take a cube and split some of the edges you can unfold it to
create an object that look similar to a crucifix:

      #
     ###
      #
      #

Where each of the #'s represent squares. In a similar way you can unfold
a 4 dimensional hypercube into a 3 dimensional object composed of 8
cubes.  This object is probably best known from Salvador Dali's Corpus
Hypercubus:

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Kevin-Strom-personal/Art/Corpus_Hypercubus.html

At any rate, I have been able to fold this object from a square of
paper.  Unfortunately, there is so much bulk in the stem at the bottom,
it doesn't want to stay together.  I suppose a 4D being could fold this
into an object that looks to him like a hypercube, in the same way that
a wire-frame cube reminds us of a solid cube.  A "Paper-frame
hypercube?"

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 26 May 2000 20:51
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

For a finite number of dimensions, say n, all you're doing is imbedding
your sheet of paper in an n dimensional space.  The models that you fold
(as long as you don't cut) which may seem strange as a projection in our
3-space is still topologically equivalent to a sheet of paper.  So in that
case there still should be limits.  But you might be right when you let
n->infinity, but I don't have any intuition about infinite-dimensional
spaces, and the manifolds you would work with then.  Does anybody know if
topology is dependent on the structure of the manifold you're working in?
Tom Hull if you're not busy I'm sure you can supply the answer to this
question since you are a mathematician.  Happy folding to all!

David





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 26 May 2000 21:33
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

Cheng Chit said:

>Sorry, I couldn't resist re-sending my koan:
>
>The Supreme Being
>Folds in many dimensions
>Humans up to three

And I had the sudden vision that we humans are the result of being folded
:)  Some higher dimensional being (insert your choice of faith here :) took
a piece of matter, 3 or 4 dimensions square, and folded us into what we
are.  Very cool.  I wonder if I can paint that....

Thanks for the daydream :)

Lar

**********
The Many Faces of Lar
http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.interlog.com/~artboy





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 26 May 2000 21:37
Subject: Re: Using Glue to Stick the Subject

Urghhhh!!!! ... Call 911!

Alternatively, you can wrap two or more layers, from each half of the
dino, together within the body; just fold the edges at the belly towards
the spine, and it ought to hold. Wetfolding, of course, helps.

I never quite liked that model as it has an ugly, open back, and the
posture is all wrong.

Ronald

Juan Carlo Rodrguez wrote:
>
> (Ronald Koh's T-rex looks much more solid now
> that I've pasted his belly together -- sorry if that gave a heart attack,
> Ron! ;-)





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 26 May 2000 23:30
Subject: Re: technical question about Lang's Scarab Beetle

In a message dated 5/26/00 9:22:36 AM, dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:

>Instead of a how question or a what question I have a why question!  Does
>anybody know why step 24/25 is needed?  Since it doesn't appear on the
>top
>of the bug I don't think it's for appearance.  So it seems to me that it
>has to be for structural reasons, but where?  I can't tell what fold needs
>that step to be done right.  Does anybody know the importance and reason
>of
>step 24?  Thank you for your time and happy folding:)
>

If you don't petal-fold that edge down in 24/25, then later when you are
spreading the legs, that edge will rip in the middle.

Robert





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 27 May 2000 03:30
Subject: Plastic for folding

Hello everyone!

Finally there is a shop in Zurich which is developing its selection of
origami papers beyond the standard kami (although the origami book
selection, pretty small, sticks to "kindergarten books").

Besides kami, washi, unryushi, and rainbow paper, I was surprised to find
plastic sheets! They are cut to a 20cmx20cm size, thickness 0,15 mm, and
bear the brand "folia", which may be familiar to German list members. They
come in bright opaque colours: red, orange, yellow, blue and green (both
sides). They are like stiffish, springy paper, keep folds very well and seem
best suited for relatively simple, traditional models.

I'd like to know whether anyone knows this kind of material, has actually
worked with it and what his/her experiences or inspirations were/are.

Also, does anyone know whether the same kind of plastic sheet exists in a
transparent version? I think - I haven't tried it yet - that it might be the
right kind of stuff to fold David Brill's Bottle.

Happy folding,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 27 May 2000 03:30
Subject: Magpie

Does anyone know of a magpie model with its specific black and white
pattern, preferably with outspread wings? There is a real one which I often
see around my block, and it just struck me that I'd never seen an origami
model of the bird.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 27 May 2000 05:04
Subject: Re: ''Virtual Origami''

"Virtual Origami" is a fascinating trail. Who would have thought it would
have led to Salvtor Dali? Dali was master of topology, with his distorted
humans and droopy watches - all, of course, depicted in two dimensions in
paint on a plane surface. This is the concept puzzlingly illustrated in
Marcel Duchamp's painting, "Ceci n'est pas une pipe".

Just one more point about David Whitbeck's earlier posting on this subject.
He asked:

"Aren't all our one sheet, no-cut models homotopies?........Aren't they all
topologically equivalent to our sheet of paper?"

The origami models and the original sheet of paper are more than merely
_topologically_ equivalent. In the two dimensions of the paper, they are
actually identical. If we Ignore the thickness of the paper, which, in our
hypothetical world is irrelevant, we may take a sheet of paper as a
two-dimensional object. However much we fold it without cutting it in the
third dimension, in its own world of two dimensions it remains a plane sheet
of paper and there is no topological distortion or variation. The paper does
not change in any way, even in the most complex of complex models and whether
folded manually or, as Paul Jackson, suggests, on a computer. The paper that
forms the most convoluted of models remains just an undistorted plane sheet
of paper.

David Lister.
