




From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 22 May 2000 17:43
Subject: Re: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM> writes:

> Just so.  That's part of the reason why the governing RFCs *MANDATE* that
> there be a "-request" alias associated with *EVERY* mailing list so that
> you can easily contact someone [a _person_!] who can help you sort out
> the problem...  [which is often not easy to sort out!]

LIST-request does not normally go to a person.  On many mailing lists,
it goes to the mailing list software.  (Like, most majordomo and
smartlist setups.)

Maybe you're thinking owner-LIST?  RFC 2142 does not specify that
there's actually a person listening to LIST-request.  Also, RFC 2142
is not an internet standard, merely a proposed standard.

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
172 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes, 50 seconds till we run away.
Cats sleep on shelves like motorized bookends.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 18:13
Subject: Re: $bill origami

Well Bernie because of your reply I went to the internet and found out.
Apparently the Dover release isn't until June.  But the Antroll release is
available at Barnes & Noble, but not at Amazon or Borders.  I myself
thought that it wasn't coming out until June, but I guess not.  Are there
people out there who have the Antroll release?

David





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 18:55
Subject: Re: info Perry's death

I thought that I should inform of what was suppose to be the
>cause of death for my Dad and I will explain as best as I can.
>IN the death certificate it says he died from a Cardiac
>Arrythmia which was due to Apneic spell of Pickwickian Syndrome
>which overcall cause is suppose to be from Morbid Obesity.  They
>blame it all on his weight but my Aunt said a lot of times when
>an overweight person dies there tends to be some blame put on
>their weight.  Any ways, (as far as I understand) it was a heart
>attack/  The heart attack came on because for some reason or
>another he was holding his breath.  In normal circumstances when
>someone hold their breathe they tend end up starting to breath
>again eventually a natural reaction, but my dad's case that
>apparently did not occur.  If any one else can explain the
>technical jargon better feel free to.  I just thought you should
>know the cause of death.

Ugh...as a Practicing doctor and a former tutor in Respiratory physiology, I
should know more about this, but I'll give it a go.
Pickwician syndrome, named after the Dickensian character with a huge
bulldog neck, often accompanies obesity. Essentially, there is a lot of
flabby tissue around the neck, both on the outside, and in. As well as
pressure on the windpipe, the soft palette is affected. Usually when a
person is lying down, apnoea (literally 'not-breathing') can occur.
Essentially, the thoracic cavity, when opening to take a breath, reduces
pressure in the airways and sucks air in. If there is a lot of flabby tissue
about, this can get sucked in instead, and block of the airway. The simplest
firm of this is snoring. The worst is apnoea.

When someone doest breath properly, the level of C02 in the blood can rise.
This causes an increase in the rate of breathing in most people. In some,
usually those with emphysema, is doesnt. I'm not sure if obstructive apnoea
causes this effect.

When one is deprived of oxygen, the speed of the heart goes up. If the heart
is not healthy, this rate can cause the rhythm to become unstable - a
cardiac dysrhythmia (or arrhythmia), and prone to stopping - a cardiac
arrest.

I sound rather clinical - I'm sorry about that.  Once again, Perry's death
is rather upseting for all of us at the mailing list, and my best wishes
still go out to everyone affected.

Yours,

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon MA(oxon) MB.BChir(cantab)
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From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 19:10
Subject: Re: $bill origami

Yes. I am one of the lucky persons to get it directly from John Montroll.

-----Original Message-----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:10:08 -0400
Subject: Re: $bill origami

>Well Bernie because of your reply I went to the internet and found out.
>Apparently the Dover release isn't until June.  But the Antroll release is
>available at Barnes & Noble, but not at Amazon or Borders.  I myself
>thought that it wasn't coming out until June, but I guess not.  Are there
>people out there who have the Antroll release?
>
>David





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 19:54
Subject: Re: Lang's Scarab Beetle

You have to use tissue-foil for the insects!! Nothing beats it for small
folds, the stuff is great. I could never fold an insect from Kami, it would
never hold together, and you cant get sharp points from it either. Well,
thats my opinion, and its probably not fair since my favorite paper is
tissue-foil. Just try it sometime if you can.

Jake Crowley

>From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Lang's Scarab Beetle
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:34:47 -0700
>
>Well after the first time it was great.  I realize why I messed it up the
>first time.  One reason is I didn't do the wraps right (I've only been
>back in folding for a week or two) and the second reason is I was treating
>xerox paper like typewriter paper.  I was tired and thought I grabbed
>typewriter paper.  Xerox paper is very hard to use for insects.  I've
>decided not to fold a nice one from origami paper mainly because all I
>have is the solid colors, none works well for this beetle.  I would like a
>dark green foil, or a dark blue foil paper.  But I simply don't like foil
>paper anyway, it's not very forgiving.
>
>David

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 20:53
Subject: Re: info Perry's death

>I sound rather clinical - I'm sorry about that.  Once again, Perry's death
>is rather upseting for all of us at the mailing list, and my best wishes
>still go out to everyone affected.

I'll say.  I rather enjoyed Perry's comments and emails.  He brought
vitality and humor to the list that he seemed to be overflowing with.  I
really would have liked to met him and deeply regret his passing away.

Sincerely,

David Whitbeck





From: Erica Knopper <eak@FUTUREXP.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 21:16
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Mark,
This is a classic story!! OUSA ought to have a section in the Paper
where they write humorous and bizarre occurrences, and this
definitely rates.
-Erica

>I was stupid enough to fold from a $100 bill at convention. The particular
>model required a really crisp bill.
>
>The only crisp bill that I had was $100. So I folded the model from it.
>Later I fold some other ones for practice.
>
>When I got home from convention, I placed these bill in a basket in my
>bedroom along with other dollar folds.
>
>My wife needed a dollar to pay some one back, noticing that I had a couple
>of these models took one. She
>paid her friend back at work. Her friend gave it to her daughter. Her
>daughter was short money for lunch show
>she tried to pay for lunch with the model. The cashier made her unfold it.
>The cashier could/would not take a
>$100 bill so the girl missed out on lunch. The whole thing was traced back
>to me. We apologized and swapped
>the $100 for $1. My wife still give me a hard time about that every once in
>a while.





From: Louise Yale <Spinnglass@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 21:35
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Agreed.
Louise





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 21:47
Subject: Re: Lang's Scarab Beetle

Tissue foil is a good idea, I think I'll try it Jake.

David





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 22 May 2000 21:52
Subject: Re: Norminton's Daffodil and other great models...

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Doug Philips wrote:

> I would like to put in a plug for Paul Jackson's book "Classic Origami" in
> which Ted's model is diagrammed, along with a variety of other wonderful
> models. This book is truly well named, but sadly apparently out of print.

All hope may not be lost - I found what seems to be a reprint of Classic
Origami included as the last section of another book titled Make it with
Paper...well most of it anyway.

A quick check and comparison with the OUSA database (and my memory, so
WARNING!WARNING!), the following are missing from my copy - Rowing Boat by
Martin Wall, Eternally Opening Origami by Takuji Sugimura, and Rhino by
David Brill.

I will include further details of the book if anyone asks.

regards
Michael





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 22:18
Subject: Re: $bill origami

>Well Bernie because of your reply I went to the internet and found out.
>Apparently the Dover release isn't until June.  But the Antroll release is
>available at Barnes & Noble, but not at Amazon or Borders.  I myself
>thought that it wasn't coming out until June, but I guess not.  Are there
>people out there who have the Antroll release?

Yes. I got several copies from Fascinating Folds
(http://www.fascinating-folds.com/) -- I don't know if any of the other
online origami stores (Kim's Crane http://www.kimscrane.com/ or OUSA has it
yet http://www.origami-usa.org/).

I haven't folded a lot from it yet. The Horse does much more resemble a
donkey than a horse. Most of the models I've tried have several judgement
folds, very a typical of the traditional Montroll landmark everything style
of diagramming. I think a book worth getting, but I can't back that up *yet*
with a real review.

-D'gou

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From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 22:21
Subject: Re: info Perry's death

David Whitbeck eulogized:

>I'll say.  I rather enjoyed Perry's comments and emails.  He brought
>vitality and humor to the list that he seemed to be overflowing with.  I
>really would have liked to met him and deeply regret his passing away.

Thanks David, that expresses my feelings as well. It all seems so unreal.

-D'gou

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From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 22:30
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Dear list,

Actually, I have never folded anything from a $100 dollar bill. All the
diagrams were prepared using play money that resembles US currency, but is
oversized. If you look carefully at some of the diagrams, you will see the
other side of the "bill" showing through. This would not happen with real
money which is more opaque. I'm sitting below the poverty line, folks, and I
pay considerably less than $50 for a pair of pants. It took me a year to save
for a "budget" computer, some months more to add a scanner. I can assure you
that I'm not some playboy sailing $100 mortarboards out of the window of my
Ferrari. I don't own a car. I used the $100 funny money because I thought it
might inspire someone who can afford it to use the real equivalent with some
deserving graduate. Fortunately, I don't know any graduates this year, so I
can afford to be generous.

Happy folding, Tom (really very thrifty) May





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 22:37
Subject: Re: $bill origami

Fascinating-folds apparently has the Antroll edition of Montroll's Dollar
Bill Animals in stock:

<http://www.fascinating-folds.com/idc/detail.idc?productid=23408>

Barnes & Noble will special order it from the publisher:
<http://shop.bn.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?&srefer=&isbn=1877656143>

--Neil





From: Deg Farrelly <StickmanAZ@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 00:25
Subject: NO:  Virus infections and Macs

John Mello wrote -

<<Alice,

  The Mac is not effected to these type of viruses. As a matter if fact all

the viruses that have been in the news the last month or so (love bug, ect.)

have no effect on the Mac. Unless you are running something like VirtualPC

or Softwindows on your Mac you needn't worry about them.>>

Not entirely.....  IF your Mac is on a network and files are shared, you
still run a risk of passing the virus along to someone else, especially if
using Microsoft software, which seems to be the method of choice for
spreading viri.

So while Macs are remarkably able to avoid most virus infections, they can
still pass them along to other users.

And there *are* Mac  viri... ( about 10% of the number that affect PCs ).  So
Mac users need to be diligent towards  virus infections too.

o)-(
StickmanAZ@aol.com
deg farrelly





From: Larry Wood <origami@TELEPORT.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 01:16
Subject: Re: $bill origami

Yes, it is now currently available.  Mine should be arriving this week.

Larry Wood
----- Original Message -----
From: "david whitbeck" <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:34 PM
Subject: $bill origami

> Isn't Montroll publishing a dollar bill origami book soon?
>
> David





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 23 May 2000 01:25
Subject: miscellany

A few words from the West.....

Thanks to Dennis for announcing a meeting in Perth - my heart rose, til I
realised it was the 'wrong' Perth!!

For those seeking shirt designs, Yamaguchi (mentioned re Insects and Origami
House) has quite a range of clothing in his Origami Jishyo (Origami
Dictionary 1990 5-7916-06485)(my bible when doing displays), as does
Momotani in his Suteki na Origami - Oningyo (Beautiful Origami - Dolls 1982
vol. 14-8385-0192-7) or Suteki na Origami - Chiisai Mono (Beautiful Origami
- Small Things 1982     vol. 4 4-8385-0195-1).

Secondly (and purists please skip this bit) my daughter used to make lots of
models using water bombs with wheels etc stuck on and other bits drawn on -
trains being an example.

Finally, in Perth we now have a couple of Korean shops which sell all those
'cute' Hello Kitty and Pokemon bits, including origami type paper but in
various shapes.  I have seen small rectangles that seem to be folded into
flattened cones and then built up into cranes and cats, rectangles to make
treasure boats and long strips for puffy stars.  They do sell square paper
with beautiful patterns (a la harmony) but only in small sizes, which suits
me.  The prices are quite reasonable, at a bout $3.00 Australian for a pack
of (I think) 50 sheets about 4 cm square.
(The only difficulty being explaining why it's OK for mum to buy origami
paper but child NOT to buy another Pokemon pencil case!)

Clare who's desperately trying to save up her worthless Aussie money to come
to the September BOS Convention...





From: "John L. Payton" <John_L._Payton@UP.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 01:59
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

I also use play money, at least to learn the money folds.  I buy the oversized
bills, which help when trying to learn the small folds.  Only problem is, they
don't hold up nearly as well.  Reverse a fold just 2 or 3 times and they're
likely to split.

There is still another alternative to using $100 bills - or any bills at all
- and it's from good 'ol Walmart. Yes, folks, Big W comes through again with
US CURRENCY, a 75 piece learning set - for ages 3 & up. Each set includes
25-$1 bills, 15-$5 bills, 15-$10 bills, 10-$20 bills, 5-$50 bills and 5-$100
bills. The pack cost $1.95 at my local Walmart. I found these in the kids art
supply/crayon area. The manufacturer is Learning Playground, a division of
The Paper Magic Group of Scranton PA and - as you have probably guessed -
Made in China!
Happy folding!
Louise Yale





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 23 May 2000 08:26
Subject: Re: $100.00 bill folding

I knew you'd see my side. Amen! ;-)

But Alan is correct. I took apart a few models I had made after they were on
display in my office, and there's another one coming down real soon. But
when you spend about half an hour of your "precious" time folding an origami
elephant out of a bill (thanks to Steve Hecht for this and 70% of all models
at one time in my office) and it finally comes out looking vaguely as it was
intended to... well, unfolding it just doesn't appeal too much to me.

Actually, Venezuelan bills have a very similar texture to dollar bills, as
all the dollar-bill crabs (Peter Engel) I've (VERY) unsuccesfully tried to
fold can prove. The bill wil still hold even after that gruelling treatment.
Although I have noticed that our bills are slightly smaller than dollar
bills, as I had to modify Steve's elephant so that I could get tusks. One
advantage we do have over dollar bills is that all your bills are green on
one side and black and white on the other. Our bills

But to be completely fair, Julia... I normally don't take money too
seriously. I have left a 1000

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "Julia Palffy" <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Lunes 22 de Mayo de 2000 02:58 PM
Asunto: Re: $100.00 bill folding

Alan Shutko wrote:

> Juan Carlo Rodrmguez              <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve> writes:
>
> > I grimace at the fact of folding anything above 50 bs. and yet there
> > are hundreds of models made by more than ten times that (all the
> > dollar-bill models).
>
> Well, remember that folding a model out of a dollar bill (or a $100
> bill) doesn't make the bill useless.

No, but playing around with a bill is like showing you don't need to take
money too seriously...

... and there are people who haven't got any choice but to take it
seriously - every cent.

We're lucky enough to have the money to spend on origami books and paper...
let's not overdo it. Being tactful shouldn't hurt...

Just my two cents, please excuse the preaching.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 23 May 2000 09:22
Subject: Classroom antics : was Re: $100.00 bill folding

> But
> when you spend about half an hour of your "precious" time folding an
origami
> elephant out of a bill (thanks to Steve Hecht for this and 70% of all
models
> at one time in my office) and it finally comes out looking vaguely as it
was
> intended to... well, unfolding it just doesn't appeal too much to me.

Unfolding can be fun, because you get to see the final crease pattern, and
it is equally amazing (this was one sheet of paper?).  When I'm doing a
basic origami class, typically I start by asking 2 volunteers to unfold a
model each (typically Montroll's turtle and seal).  While they unfold (with
the dire message that they are not to tear it unfolding), I review valley
and mountain folds and edges, creases, angles, and other basic ideas.  It
provides "proof" that something that complex can be one sheet of paper (or
it provides a distraction if I'm going over things they already know and are
getting bored?).  It's also useful for channeling kids' energy who are
likely to be destructive to the class atmosphere (Here, destroy this, it'll
be fun!).

It also gives me something to do while I wait for various steps to be
executed by the students; I get to refold it (and this is always amazing
that I folded it so *fast*, but we all know it's faster with everything
already done).

I did an advanced class once that covered miniature folding.  We used rolo
wrappers.  The idea:  carefully unwrap your rolo without tearing the foil,
and then we'll fold it.  Of course, rolos are really hard to unwrap without
tearing the foil, so you just have to eat the candy and try again.  :)

Anyone have any fun classroom tricks?

- T

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From: "Melissa D. Johnson" <johnsonm@ACU.EDU>
Date: 23 May 2000 10:03
Subject: Re: Creativity 2 and First Time...

Anine writes:
>And I know people who never fold or paint or draw or weave or anything
>like that and it was those people I meant that they don't like to be
>creative. I mean you can ask them to paint or draw or something and they
>won't find any fun in doing it. So my question again: Why are some people
>creative and some not?

You may have gotten your answer already, but I wanted to add my thoughts
as well. Why do some people not like to work with their hands? As far as
them not being creative is debatable. Just because someone doesn't work
with their hands doesn't make them uncreative, just creative in a
different way. I think someone already touched on this.

Not working with your hands, I think, is an inborn trait (genes, etc.),
although one can be creative with their hands because of their
environment. I know I was encouraged when I was young to work with my
hands and be creative in that sense. My mom was very creative with her
hands. But creativity is also a state of mind and your mind tells your
hands what to do. Your mind also gives you the ideas for a clever ad
campaign or a new computer program.

So, why are some people not creative with their hands? Lots of reasons,
I imagine. But probably because they don't feel creative when doing those
things. They would rather do something else that makes them feel creative.

I started the art of origami when I was about 9 or 10, maybe younger. I
made "cootie catchers" or "fortune tellers." We used it as a fortune
teller. Also the water bomb and cup were popular back then. I can't
remember who showed me how to make them or if we had a book, but I know a
lot of kids in school knew how to make those things. My friends and I
would also fold our notes to each other in clever ways. Probably not
origami in the traditional sense, but we were the only ones who could open
them and refold them.

Melissa Dawn :)
http://MelissaDawn.Johnson.org/

The Hunger Site
http://www.thehungersite.com





From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 23 May 2000 10:03
Subject: Re: Classroom antics : was Re: $100.00 bill folding

> Individually wrapped Rolos, where are you from?

Maryland.  Here, you can usually get a bag of them in the grocery next to
the individually wrapped miniature snickers bars and other
halloween-distribution-style candy.  The foil is almost exactly a perfect
square, after you get the wrinkles out, and if you don't tear it, about 2
inches, very thin, with gold on one side and silver on the other, very good
for folding.

- T

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From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 10:47
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Are they truly the same size? I purchased some play money once that
looked like it was the same dimensions, but it was off just enough to
mess thngs up!

Dee

Louise Yale wrote:
>
> There is still another alternative to using $100 bills - or any bills at all
> - and it's from good 'ol Walmart. Yes, folks, Big W comes through again with
> US CURRENCY,





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 23 May 2000 10:47
Subject: Re: Classroom antics : was Re: $100.00 bill folding

> Unfolding can be fun, because you get to see the final crease pattern, and
> it is equally amazing (this was one sheet of paper?).  When I'm doing a
> basic origami class, typically I start by asking 2 volunteers to unfold a
> model each (typically Montroll's turtle and seal).  While they unfold
(with
> the dire message that they are not to tear it unfolding), I review valley
> and mountain folds and edges, creases, angles, and other basic ideas.  It
> provides "proof" that something that complex can be one sheet of paper (or
> it provides a distraction if I'm going over things they already know and
are
> getting bored?).  It's also useful for channeling kids' energy who are
> likely to be destructive to the class atmosphere (Here, destroy this,
it'll
> be fun!).

Hmmm... interesting point. Thanks for the insight, I'll keep that in mind.
Actually it's funny: here we are all, speaking of the thrill of folding, and
here you go speaking of the fun of UNfolding!

> Anyone have any fun classroom tricks?

Actually I have one god trick: I suck big time in class. No, really, it
never fails. ;-) Nah, all kidding aside, I think I'm still a budding
teacher. Since I'm more partial to really complex folds, I usually take the
low intermediate ones saying "Come on! What do you mean, 'too hard'?" So I
usually stress the attendants to such a point that I hear a lot of kids
going "C'mon, YOU do it for me!" Last February, we were giving a class to a
hundred-plus people, and I start teaching the elephant in RUSSIAN ORIGAMI
Tom Hull and Sergei Afonkin). By the time the trunk comes out, I hear a lot
of nervous giggles, heavy breathing, and some colorful remark about my
mother... And the president of the association is there telling me "Remind
them about the day-long class!" So, being the class clown I am, say: "Please
rememeber, in two Saturdays we will be holding our annual day-long class
from 9 to 5.

"I promise you, I won't be there."

The whole hall erupted into applause.

I smiled and took a bow.

They laughed.

The elephant came out pretty nice looking after that.

JC





From: Louise Yale <Spinnglass@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 11:08
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Dee questioned if the play money from Walmart was the exact size as legal
money.
I double checked. There is a 1/16 inch difference. Had not noticed this -
probably because the money folds I like to do (the kimono, etc.) were not
affected.
Louise





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 13:47
Subject: Thank you!

Hi everyone!

        I want to thank you all for the nice comments, explanations,
and so on everyone has sent to me about my father.  I also want
to thank everyone that explained the medical jargon on my dad's
death certificate.  I really enjoy hearing from everyone and I
love reading email.  I also want to thank everyone that has
folded models for an exhibit of my father's work.

Thanks again
Erralee Bailey
--
"Continental chambermaids
are very hard to shock,
first they wait until your naked
then they enter, then they knock!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 16:59
Subject: Money Folds

First off OUSA has the new Montroll money book. I was talking to John and
Phyllis Meth when the book was released around Easter. I have not have time
to get a new folding in so I will wait till convention at this point.

Back when I was diagram editor, I took and idea from deg farrelly. I made a
rough tracing of a dollar bill, accurate enough for a few landmarks, but
sufficiently vague enought to avoid legal difficulties. I used these as a
aid to diagramming - I would fold them and paste them down, xerox and the
put in the lines and arrows. I also did some larger ones for teaching. I
could get two length wise on a page with a little excess. It is even easier
to cut down now that I have a rotary cutting board. An exacto knife and
straight edge will do.

I will have to check out Wallmart in a few weeks when I can see the light of
day instead of work.

Mark Kennedy





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 19:05
Subject: Re : Folding insects / Foil

>You have to use tissue-foil for the insects!! Nothing beats it for small
>folds, the stuff is great. I could never fold an insect from Kami, it would
>never hold together, and you cant get sharp points from it either.

I've lost my copy of Lang's Insects and their kin. This is probably a good
thing for the time being - when I designed insects, they usually ended up
being direct copies of his. My latest projects, over the past few months
have been to come up with several new insect bases to allow me to design my
own set of insects. I've come up with quite a few already - I'll display
designs later - but I've got a few ideas on folding.

For design, nothing works better than a sheet of A3 paper (double english
printer paper size). Its cheap, folds quite well, and is useful for origami
doodling. For two tone models, I use a sheet of kami (usually in a colour I
dont see myself using for display) and doodle with that.

To fold then, I use home made foil paper. This is a sheet of aluminium foil,
normally used in cooking, some mounting spray adhesive and one or two sheets
of tissue paper glued to each size. Smooth off, shape with a craft knife and
voila! The more layers of paper you use, the better behaved the foil paper
becomes; however, you do sacrifice the fine detail at the end of legs,
antenae, etc.

I'll do some photos when I've finished the set.

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From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 19:33
Subject: $bill origami

>Well Bernie because of your reply I went to the internet and found out.
>Apparently the Dover release isn't until June.  But the Antroll release is
>available at Barnes & Noble, but not at Amazon or Borders.  I myself
>thought that it wasn't coming out until June, but I guess not.  Are there
>people out there who have the Antroll release?

Is there any difference between the two releases?  Why ARE there two
releases??





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 May 2000 22:35
Subject: Re : Folding insects / Foil

That maybe my problem!  I only use one layer of tissue paper per side and
it gets awefully wrinkly.  I made some last night to fold the scarab beetle
but without quite realizing it I started folding Engel's Octopus!  Oh
drats!  It looks alright though.  I really like how you can shape the
tentacles to any form you want and they just stay there.  It makes it
easier to make it assume a relaxed, a little chaotic, natural position.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 May 2000 22:37
Subject: Re: $bill origami

Well the Antroll release happens months before the national Dover release.
So maybe it's for special ordering and conventions.  Does anyone know for
sure?

David





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 May 2000 23:24
Subject: Re: Foil

David Whitbeck, on the virtues of foil, indited:

>drats!  It looks alright though.  I really like how you can shape the
>tentacles to any form you want and they just stay there.  It makes it
>easier to make it assume a relaxed, a little chaotic, natural position.

That is precisely what I hate about foil, it never "sets" into place, the
models are fragile and easily smooshed/smushed/crushed. Hard to transport,
nearly impossible to mail without a lot of packaging.

Yes, I do use foil from time to time, but I prefer wet folding for anything
I really want to keep, though there are certain surface effects that only
foil can provide...

-Daddy-o "Foil, I just love to hate it!" D'gou
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From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 24 May 2000 00:37
Subject: Re: Foil

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Doug Philips wrote:

> Yes, I do use foil from time to time, but I prefer wet folding for anything
> I really want to keep...

Agreed that wet-folding creates lovely durable models, but most of the
paper I have experimented with would be far too thick to be used for
insect models. Is this where back-coating comes into play?

Which makes me think of a question that has long troubled me. Isn't
back-coating basically the use of glue? I guess the "purists" don't go in
for this technique.....;-)

regards
Michael





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 24 May 2000 00:44
Subject: creative folders continued

Just to continue on the theme of creative folders, I suddenly remembered
when meeting Takuji Sugimura who designed  Eternally Opening Origami in Paul
Jackson's Creative Origami, he explained that he wrote his first book after
being asked to teach origami (in Japan) and thinking that that meant you had
to teach all original models -so he set about creating enough to fill at
least 2 books: Living Origami, 1983, Hoikusha, 4-586-54019-9, (English);
Living Origami, 1983, Hoikusha, 4-586-50605-9, (Japanese); Origami Fantasy,
1989, Hoikusha, 4-586-50777-2, (Japanese)!  Before that, he had only folded
the few traditional models most Japanese children know!

I should also note, after my posting regarding Korean Origami paper, that
when I briefly visited Korea about 20 years ago, anything associated with
Japan was hated, and the idea of publishing Japanese books totally
impossible!  I find it quite amusing to see many Japanese titles now
available in Korean (and often much cheaper) while the Korean Paper
Association (or similar) has a magazine that closely resembles NOA's!





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 24 May 2000 02:31
Subject: 1000 Cranes

   Hi all. I'm  usually a lurker, so I feel rather uncomfortable about
this...
   I find myself in need of your prayers and folds now. My mother is in dire
straits, and I am leaving Alberta for Ontario in the morning (as I write
this) to be with her. The prognosis is not good. However, I would appreciate
any who would send cranes in a goodwill effort to do so.
   I appreciate any efforts. I am not really myself as I write. I feel
horrible right now, so I apologise for any lack of subtlety (sp). I will
append my address after this message, and add what I can as time dictates.

                         Thanks All for your Attention

                                    Michael

"The great square has no corners." -- Lao Tzu





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 24 May 2000 02:40
Subject: Address

   Sorry> I forgot to add the address to send any cranes to...

   You can send them care of me (Michael Antonette) to --

   8620 Jasper Avenue #1905
   Edmonton, AB
   Canada T5H 3S6

   Sorry to sound so presumptuous...

                                         Michael

"The great square has no corners." -- Lao Tzu





From: Steve Geiling <srgeiling@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 09:23
Subject: Re: creative folders continued

Clare,  Thanks you for your info.  Every since I joined this group, I have
only recieved "personal stories" or "junk". You are the first to give me
some hint of history about origami.  Thanks

>From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: creative folders continued
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:10 +0800
>
>Just to continue on the theme of creative folders, I suddenly remembered
>when meeting Takuji Sugimura who designed  Eternally Opening Origami in
>Paul
>Jackson's Creative Origami, he explained that he wrote his first book after
>being asked to teach origami (in Japan) and thinking that that meant you
>had
>to teach all original models -so he set about creating enough to fill at
>least 2 books: Living Origami, 1983, Hoikusha, 4-586-54019-9, (English);
>Living Origami, 1983, Hoikusha, 4-586-50605-9, (Japanese); Origami Fantasy,
>1989, Hoikusha, 4-586-50777-2, (Japanese)!  Before that, he had only folded
>the few traditional models most Japanese children know!
>
>I should also note, after my posting regarding Korean Origami paper, that
>when I briefly visited Korea about 20 years ago, anything associated with
>Japan was hated, and the idea of publishing Japanese books totally
>impossible!  I find it quite amusing to see many Japanese titles now
>available in Korean (and often much cheaper) while the Korean Paper
>Association (or similar) has a magazine that closely resembles NOA's!

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From: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 12:16
Subject: new books on BN website

Saw the books listed below  on the bn website. While I am aware of and
admire mark's work I am not too familiar with Didier Boursin's work.

the books are

Advanced Origami: More than 60 Fascinating and Challenging Projects for the
Serious Folder
Didier Boursin / Paperback / Firefly Books LTD. / August 2000

Paper in Harmony: A Collection of Origami Instrumentalists
Marc Kirschenbaum,David Schagun (Illustrator),Sanford Kirschenbaum
(Photographer) / Paperback / Fit To Print Publishing, Incorporated / July





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 May 2000 12:56
Subject: Hints

Steve Geiling sez:

>Every since I joined this group, I have
>only recieved "personal stories" or "junk". You are the first to give me
>some hint of history about origami.

    There is an archive of all manner of history and anything else you might
want to know about origami at:  http://webtemp.kvi.nl/cgi-bin/oigquery.sh
You will, of course, have to make your inquiries specific, in order to avoid
"personal stories" or "junk". A search of David Lister's posts will provide
you with more than a few 'hints'.

    Alternatively, you can simply lurk on the list , and eventually useful
tidbits will fall into your inbox, with no effort whatsoever on your part.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 May 2000 13:30
Subject: Re: miscellany

Chamberlain, Clare <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU> sez

>Clare who's desperately trying to save up her worthless Aussie money to come
>to the September BOS Convention...

Do your best, it must be a real pain having all that sunshine...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 May 2000 13:30
Subject: Art of Yoshizawa at the BOS site

Just a note to say that David Lister's recent article on the Art of
Akira Yoshizawa is now up at the BOS web site. There are also a few new
additions to the gallery.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 13:36
Subject: Re: new books on BN website

Dave, could you include the URL for the BN website? I'd like to purchase
Marc's book.

By the way, Marc, congratulations for the book. Any insights?

JC

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Miircoles 24 de Mayo de 2000 12:15 PM
Asunto: new books on BN website

> Saw the books listed below  on the bn website. While I am aware of and
> admire mark's work I am not too familiar with Didier Boursin's work.
>
> the books are
>
> Advanced Origami: More than 60 Fascinating and Challenging Projects for
the
> Serious Folder
> Didier Boursin / Paperback / Firefly Books LTD. / August 2000
>
> Paper in Harmony: A Collection of Origami Instrumentalists
> Marc Kirschenbaum,David Schagun (Illustrator),Sanford Kirschenbaum
> (Photographer) / Paperback / Fit To Print Publishing, Incorporated / July





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 13:40
Subject: Re: Foil

>Which makes me think of a question that has long troubled me. Isn't
>back-coating basically the use of glue? I guess the "purists" don't go in
>for this technique.....;-)
>
>regards
>Michael

What do you think holds all those little pieces of wood that make up paper
together? Persuasion? Wood pulp is a natural glue after all ;P

I LIKE glue and I'm sticking to it.

Urm...

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 13:42
Subject: Folding a #10 note into John Montroll!

On hearing all this talk recently about bill folding and John Montroll's new
book, a story springs to mind...

At the British Origami Society conference this Spring, I noticed Robert Lang
fiddling around with a UK #5 note. I asked him what he thought of UK money
for bill folding and he said that it was 'kinda expensive'. I agreed, and
then showed him a simple model with a UK #10 note. I had always known the
model as 'John MacEnroe', the tennis player. However, he took one look at it
and said 'That's John Montroll!'

So it seems ironic that, on recently releasing a book on US bill folding,
that Montroll himself can be folded from a UK bill! I'm not sure if Montroll
himself has since been shown this, but if I were a cross between royalty and
Charles Dickens, I'd be happy.

I've put a picture and diagrams on my site. Click the 'Essays' button to get
there.

Stephen

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From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:00
Subject: Re: Foil && Backcoating...

Michael Janssen-Gibson inquired:

>Agreed that wet-folding creates lovely durable models, but most of the
>paper I have experimented with would be far too thick to be used for
>insect models. Is this where back-coating comes into play?
>
>Which makes me think of a question that has long troubled me. Isn't
>back-coating basically the use of glue? I guess the "purists" don't go in
>for this technique.....;-)

Backcoating is a technique for creating a single sheet of paper from two or
more sheets. There are several sites on the web, Joseph Wu's and the BOS
site, if memory serves, that give quite good information about it. In short,
Backcoating adheres two sheets together using a mixture of water and some
sort of adhesive. Once dried, the resulting sheet could be folded dry.
Tissue Foil is also a form of laminated "paper" but because foil is not
absorbant, the typical backcoating methods cannot be used, and a roll on, or
spray on adhesive is usually used instead.

As for purists, they don't much seem to care how the paper is created, or
horrors, cut to the initial shape!

Many backcoaters seems also to do wet-folding. For reasons that escape me,
it seems to be more OK to use the glue already in the paper than to apply it
separately to a finished model. The same also seems to go for decorating the
paper--its OK to start with colored or even duo paper, but painting a
finished model gives the purists fits.

If the purist fits.... ????

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From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:13
Subject: Re: Folding a #10 note into John Montroll!

Dr. O'Hanlon opined:

>but if I were a cross between royalty and
>Charles Dickens, I'd be happy.

Would that be a "Liz Phiz"?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Erica Knopper <eak@FUTUREXP.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:32
Subject: using glue to stick to the subject

I'm glad to hear there are other "non-purists" on the list!
Personally I'm always interested in any material or combination
thereof that can facilitate creations. I've also always loved all
adhesives, and my husband used to tease me that the real reason I
became a teacher was so that I could laminate everything I own, and
that I'd laminate my family if I could!

In answer to Steve, who was wishing for more historical content on
this list, I think that many books have a wealth of such information:
for example, Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway has written material
for every entry, much of which is background and history of how that
branch or set of models developed.

Personally I think a great deal of both technical and cultural
information is exchanged on this list, and I really like all the
personal stories too. For example, I've loved the exchange about
folding with bills, and found Juan's comments about the relative
values of different international currencies, and the relative
incomes of people in different countries, to be fascinating. Because
of the international nature of modern origami and the fact that the
people on this list come from many continents and countries, we are
getting a current historical perspective through everyone's input.

-Erica

>As for purists, they don't much seem to care how the paper is created, or
>horrors, cut to the initial shape!
>
>Many backcoaters seems also to do wet-folding. For reasons that escape me,
>it seems to be more OK to use the glue already in the paper than to apply it
>separately to a finished model. The same also seems to go for decorating the
>paper--its OK to start with colored or even duo paper, but painting a
>finished model gives the purists fits.
>
>If the purist fits.... ????





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:42
Subject: Re: new books on BN website

I know I'm a different Dave but here you go:

http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UQI7D7KR1&
mscssid=337BQ6AL61SR2PJL00JP4BC8EVTGDVP6&srefer=&isbn=1552095274

http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UQI7D7KR1&
mscssid=337BQ6AL61SR2PJL00JP4BC8EVTGDVP6&srefer=&isbn=0615112811

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:44
Subject: Re: Foil

Hi Doug!  I also enjoy wetfolding more than foil.  What paper do you
usually use when wetfolding?

David





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:48
Subject: Re: using glue to stick to the subject

Allow me to paste myself in the subject...

OK, bad joke.

I try being as pure as possible, avoiding glue as much as possible. But as
I've seen written somewhere, both glue AND scissors have their place if they
fit the model. The charming Circus Pony by (Robert Neale?) in SECRETS OF
ORIGAMI is an example of cuts being a justified means to an end, while
Adolfo Cerceda's Pig in that same book justifies gluing two pieces. Also, I
sometimes glue models that would come apart or splay like roadkill if I
didn't paste them together (Ronald Koh's T-rex looks much more solid now
that I've pasted his belly together -- sorry if that gave a heart attack,
Ron! ;-)

But please refresh my memory: what is back-coating?

And thanks for the comments on my comment, Erica. It's good nobody thought I
was preaching.

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "Erica Knopper" <eak@FUTUREXP.COM>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Miircoles 24 de Mayo de 2000 02:30 PM
Asunto: using glue to stick to the subject

> I'm glad to hear there are other "non-purists" on the list!
> Personally I'm always interested in any material or combination
> thereof that can facilitate creations. I've also always loved all
> adhesives, and my husband used to tease me that the real reason I
> became a teacher was so that I could laminate everything I own, and
> that I'd laminate my family if I could!
>
> In answer to Steve, who was wishing for more historical content on
> this list, I think that many books have a wealth of such information:
> for example, Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway has written material
> for every entry, much of which is background and history of how that
> branch or set of models developed.
>
> Personally I think a great deal of both technical and cultural
> information is exchanged on this list, and I really like all the
> personal stories too. For example, I've loved the exchange about
> folding with bills, and found Juan's comments about the relative
> values of different international currencies, and the relative
> incomes of people in different countries, to be fascinating. Because
> of the international nature of modern origami and the fact that the
> people on this list come from many continents and countries, we are
> getting a current historical perspective through everyone's input.
>
> -Erica





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 14:59
Subject: The elusive Montroll and Lang

Dr. O'Hanlon's (very funny) story leads to a (fanboy's) question: Are John
Montroll and Robert Lang on this list? And can anybody who knows them tell
me how evil they really are? ;-)

Because nobody who can write "This is the most difficult step in the
model -- and you get to do it three more times!" (Lang's Butterfly in
INSECTS) or have us fold a paper for at least 12 steps and then put the
words "Unfold completely" (Montroll's American Lobster" in SEA LIFE) is a
saint!

(Former comment made entirely in good nature. Any retaliation will result in
quick and swift begging for forgiveness on behalf of the writer.)

Juan Carlo Rodrmguez
All-around nice guy
(Please tell them!)





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 15:22
Subject: Re: new books on BN website

Thanks a lot!

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "david whitbeck" <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Miircoles 24 de Mayo de 2000 02:43 PM
Asunto: Re: new books on BN website

> I know I'm a different Dave but here you go:
>
>
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UQI7D7KR1&
> mscssid=337BQ6AL61SR2PJL00JP4BC8EVTGDVP6&srefer=&isbn=1552095274
>
>
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UQI7D7KR1&
> mscssid=337BQ6AL61SR2PJL00JP4BC8EVTGDVP6&srefer=&isbn=0615112811
>
> David





From: Cal faile <calfaile@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 15:34
Subject: Weapon models?

Oh smart and creative folders,

I need some help.  I'm going down to Peru to live for a year.  One of my
friends in Vancouver seems convinced that I can get cheap weapons there.  He
(jokingly) asked me so send him up some weapons when I get down there.  I
want to find some models of weapons (ex: AK 47s, Bazookas, the bigger the
better) to fold and send to him.  Does anyone know of the existance of such
models?  Any leads would be greatly appreciated.  Complexity's not a
problem, I have acess to lots of scrap paper down here to practice on!  :)

Thanx,

Calfaile

P.S. I've checked out Joseph's "weapons" diagram links, but did not find
what I wanted there.

P.P.S.  Is it just me?  Or are many of the diagram links on Joseph's website
broken?
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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <dinogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 15:42
Subject: Re: Foil && Backcoating...

>>Which makes me think of a question that has long troubled me. Isn't
>>back-coating basically the use of glue? I guess the "purists" don't go in
>>for this technique.....;-)
>
>Backcoating is a technique for creating a single sheet of paper from two or
>more sheets. ...As for purists, they don't much seem to care how the >paper
>is created, or
>horrors, cut to the initial shape!

   This reminds me a lot of the argument a lot of creationists use against
evolution -- they perceive that evolution doesn't explain the origin of life
(from non-life), therefore it can't be true.  That's silly:  there can't be
evolution _without_ life; therefore, life must already exist in order for it
to evolve (the study of the origin of life is a wholly different subject:
abiogenesis).  Similarly, even purist origami (at least as "purist" as I've
ever encountered it) only states something along the lines of "must use only
a single, uncut square of paper."  It says nothing about how the square of
paper came to be; in fact, there can't be origami unless the paper is
already there, so the manufacture of paper is a wholly different and
separate entity from origami!  ;-D

                _,_
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           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 841-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2808
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 15:51
Subject: Re: Weapon models?

> Oh smart and creative folders,
>
> I need some help.  I'm going down to Peru to live for a year.

Hey, you can make a stop here in Venezuela if you want! Trust me, you'll be
more than welcome.

> One of my
> friends in Vancouver seems convinced that I can get cheap weapons there.

Oh, sure, keep up the Latino image for guerrilla warfare. ;-) (Insert tongue
in cheek.)

  Does anyone know of the existance of such
> models?  Any leads would be greatly appreciated.  Complexity's not a
> problem, I have acess to lots of scrap paper down here to practice on!  :)

OK... well, as for guns, I've only seen a pistol folded from dollar bills,
but I haven't seen anything...

> P.P.S.  Is it just me?  Or are many of the diagram links on Joseph's
website
> broken?

I must add: is it just US?

!Cumdense! (that's take care.)

JC





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 16:03
Subject: Re: Foil

david whitbeck inquired:

>Hi Doug!  I also enjoy wetfolding more than foil.  What paper do you
>usually use when wetfolding?

Usually I use a water color paper. Canson is the most commonly available
where I live, though Dick Blick (http://www.dickblick.com/) occasionally
sends me sale flyers with Canson and Strathemore (sp?) papers on sale.

I was fortunate enough to make it to the April 2nd OUSA Folding Sunday this
year where Ros Joyce was teaching a wet-folding dragon class. She had
brought lots of yummy papers, and is particular keen to fold anything that
will take a crease -- preferably wet so that she can also make "a mess" at
the same time. I can't recall what any of the papers she brought were. If
she's still on the list perhaps she can chime in again (or anyone interested
can search the archives, I'm pretty sure she's piped up about this before).

Michael LaFosse, as many might know, makes many of his models (if not all of
them) from papers he designs and makes himself. I understand that Robert
Lang and others have been to his studio (http://www.origamido.com/ on the
web) to make their own model-customized papers.

What about everyone else, what is the most fun/unusual/common "paper" that
you wet fold? (Found papers are more the focus of my query, but if you make
your own paper, chime in too!)

-Daddy-o D'gou
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 24 May 2000 16:18
Subject: Re: Foil

I am yet to jump on the wetfolding bandwagon. And don't ask me why I haven't
tried it, cause I have no idea! But to be specific, to follow the advice of
my fellow local folders that have, don't use just any Canson, try for the
medium-weight papers.

And I keep reading about people making their own papers. I know Michael
LaFosse has his own studio and stuff, but is it really that easy to make
your own paper at home (don't include tissue foil in the answer)? What do I
need? What kind of stores carry it? And would you recommend it if you're
still living at home with your parents? (Remember, in Latin America it's
still common practice.)

Gracias!
JC





From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: 24 May 2000 16:54
Subject: Origami-Montreal next meeting

The next meeting of Origami-Montreal will be held:

======================================================================
     Sunday, May 28, from 1 PM to 4 PM,
     at 6848 Christophe-Colomb, Montreal.
======================================================================

On the menu:
    - Discussions: local events, international events, new books,
      interesting news, etc.
    - Folding workshop:
          "Rabbits", presented by Maelle.
    - Free folding, discussion, etc.

Origami material (i.e. paper) will be provided for those who need it.

See you Sunday!  Be there or be "square"! :-)

Origament votre,

Grard

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