




From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 21 May 2000 17:49
Subject: Re: age

finally own a copy of this, after borrowing it from my local library
>countless times.  Does anyone know how to keep the paper from splitting
>along the crease in the last few steps?

What model are you talking about?

David





From: Weldon MacDonald <weldon.macdonald@SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 21 May 2000 18:09
Subject: Re: {NO} - Would somebody explain yesterday's virus e-mails???

If your running a Mac, the outlook virus probably wouldn't be effective.
Weldon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice MacDonald" <amacd@BMI.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: {NO} - Would somebody explain yesterday's virus e-mails???

Would somebody please explain (in layman's terms) what happened yesterday on
the list?  Was there or was there not a virus unleashed on those of us with
Mac's (specifically Outlook Express e-mail programs)?
Thanks
Alice





From: Tony Ewen <TEwen@POWERSERVE.COM.AU>
Date: 21 May 2000 18:59
Subject: Re: age and first time

Hi all, here's my contribution to the discussion.

I'm 31, working at building web sites, and I've been folding actively for a
year. I stumbled into origami at a church thing called the Walk to Emmaus at
the beginning of last May and this has become a big part of my folding. Part
of the Emmaus tradition is the distribution of small "love gifts" from those
who've gone before... with batches of 60 required for a given weekend's
participants.  I've done batches of eagles, kawasaki roses, and the "dove of
peace" from Origami Omnibus.

Anyway, back to lurk mode for a while, bye for now....

Tony Ewen





From: Jacqueline Duncan <DuncanbyDesign@ATT.NET>
Date: 21 May 2000 19:37
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Orchide_du_Par=EDs?=

What EXACTLY does one have to do to unsubscribe from this e-mailing list???
I've writteh to both the origami list and listverve, etc. and to no avail.
Very frustrating to have to take the time to delete 70-80 daily e-mails!

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of K. A.
Lundberg
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:35 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Orchide du Parms

I'm guessing the problem happens in the final sink--steps 28 and 29.  Last
time this came up someone from the site contacted me.  Since then I have put
together a page of photos showing the model as it progresses through the
sink.  I think it would be nice to keep the helpful hint page on the same
site as the diagrams...so if that person will contact me again I will send
them the photos.

Kalei
klundber@mnsinc.com





From: Jacqueline Duncan <DuncanbyDesign@ATT.NET>
Date: 21 May 2000 19:39
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Are you sure you want to do this?  I'm having to delete 70-80 e-mails daily
due to lack of reading time...  AND I can't seem to "unsubscribe" no matter
WHERE I write to!

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Bob Burt
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:56 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: How to get on origami-l

This may seem like a dumb question but how do I get on origami-l?

Thanks





From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: 21 May 2000 20:02
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Orchide=20du=20Par=EDs?=

In a message dated 5/21/00 7:37:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DuncanbyDesign@ATT.NET writes:

> What EXACTLY does one have to do to unsubscribe from this e-mailing list???
>  I've writteh to both the origami list and listverve, etc. and to no avail.
>  Very frustrating to have to take the time to delete 70-80 daily e-mails!
>

1. Compose a new message.

2. Address it to LISTSERV@MIT.EDU (NOT origami@mit.edu)

3. Make the subject anything you want

4. Place the two words SIGNOFF ORIGAMI in the body. Make sure you don't have
a signature automatically appended.

5. Send it.





From: Cal faile <calfaile@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 21 May 2000 20:57
Subject: Re: age

oops, sorry.  I was writing this email on my comp when I lost connection.
Of course, I lost the hotmail window.  I was talking about Engel's butterfly

________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Erica Knopper <eak@FUTUREXP.COM>
Date: 21 May 2000 21:43
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Hey, I'm jealous! I only get 20-30 emails daily from origami-l, and
here she's getting 70-80 ;-)
-Erica

>Are you sure you want to do this?  I'm having to delete 70-80 e-mails daily
>due to lack of reading time...  AND I can't seem to "unsubscribe" no matter
>WHERE I write to!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Bob Burt
>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 8:56 PM
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: How to get on origami-l
>
>
>This may seem like a dumb question but how do I get on origami-l?
>
>Thanks





From: John Mello <jmello@MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: 21 May 2000 22:15
Subject: Re: {NO} - Would somebody explain yesterday's virus e-mails???

Alice,

  The Mac is not effected to these type of viruses. As a matter if fact all
the viruses that have been in the news the last month or so (love bug, ect.)
have no effect on the Mac. Unless you are running something like VirtualPC
or Softwindows on your Mac you needn't worry about them.

> From: Alice MacDonald <amacd@BMI.NET>
> Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:25:40 -0700
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: {NO} - Would somebody explain yesterday's virus e-mails???
>
> Would somebody please explain (in layman's terms) what happened yesterday on
> the list?  Was there or was there not a virus unleashed on those of us with
> Mac's (specifically Outlook Express e-mail programs)?
> Thanks
> Alice





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 21 May 2000 23:55
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Am I the only one who is tired of people constantly asking how to get off
the list when it was explained in the first email they received?  Can they
not read?  Have they not the patience to read an email that must be
important if it was immediately sent to them?  Son of a gun!

David





From: Zach White <8trak@INDY.NET>
Date: 22 May 2000 00:07
Subject: good news

ok good news, good news.. i got some updates for my mcafee virus scanner and
got everything cleaned from my system. sorry if i caused anyone trouble. i'm
still looking for more data for my statistics project and i would be really
grateful for anyone that could e-mail me the length from the base of their
hand to their fingertip and also their height. also that of other people in
your house if possible. thanks so much to everybody that sent me data.
please e-mail me at 8trak@indy.net if you can help me. thanks!

    --zach--





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@VIADOR.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 00:56
Subject: Re: Origami Insects was Re: age

David,

I had the exact opposite experience! I managed to get a pretty good result the
     first time, but I haven't been able to reproduce that since! I'd really
     like to fold it from foil, but no luck so far...

-g-

Way back when (At 10:48 PM 5/19/00 -0700), david whitbeck sent me this:
>Yes Origami Insects is a great book.  Right now I'm working on the Scarab
>Beetle.  The first time I folded it was nearly a disaster, but the second
>time it worked out beautifully.  I'm trying to consider what color paper I
>will find the final one out of.
>
>David





From: Phil Schulz <fyl@USWEST.NET>
Date: 22 May 2000 01:00
Subject: train engine origami

Some poor little girl has grand delusions about my instantaneous
creative skills.  I would, however, love to come out smelling like a
rose, so can anybody help her (and me) out?
(Hey, Leigh! Still chuffed about that train?)

>Hi, my name is Camy Wallace and I am 6. I want to learn how to make a
train
>engine out of origami. can you make one and teach me?  I live in
Cleveland,
>Ohio and LOVE trains. I think your pictures of stuff you have made is
cool.
>Thank you, Camy
>
>momyote@cs.com

Thanks,
Phil

P.S. Thought that this might be appropriate regarding another thread
we're having:
+++
This is the Unix version of "I Love You". It works on the honor system.

If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s, and
binaries from your home directory, then send a copy of this e-mail to
everyone you know.

Thanks for your cooperation.





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 22 May 2000 01:28
Subject: Re: train engine origami

Momotani has an excellent book on origami transport, including a great
train model (the only one I know of), though the complexity rating is
probably too high.

It may be a case of "fold and give" rather than "fold and teach" :-)

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                    phone/voice mail: +61 6 (02) 6201 5665
Communication & Education                    fax: +61 6 (02) 6201 5068
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616

University of Canberra - 30 years making the difference





From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 22 May 2000 07:00
Subject: Re: {NO} - Would somebody explain yesterday's virus e-mails???

Both of Zach White's posts contained the kak virus.

How to tell if you have picked up the kak virus and definitely need to visit
the links Tommy posted:

Windows 95+: Go to your taskbar, start, programs, startup.  If you see kak
anything in the list of files there, you have been infected and are
distributing the virus.  You can also check your email client signatures to
see if it's there.

It is particularly tenacious, and will reinstall each time you are looking
at an infected email if you do not have the patch.  There are 2 patches from
Microsoft.  One that will let you answer yes/no to running it, and one that
will give you a warning message and not allow it to run.  Use the later.

While kak is not particularly destructive, the potential for .hta files to
be very nasty exists.
.hta files are a trusted form of html that says to your pc: The user knows
I'm ok, so I can do anything I want.  Even if you do not have the kak virus,
you should have the patch.  You have the patch already if you received a
warning message looking at Zach White's posts.

Info from Microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms99-032.asp

Here's the patch:
Microsoft Windows 95 and 98:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/IE/IE-Public/Fixes/usa/Eyedog-fix/x86/q2403
08.exe
Microsoft Windows NT:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/IE/IE-Public/Fixes/usa/Eyedog-fix/

If you have kak, installing the patch will *not* remove it.  If you are not
computer savvy enough to be confident editing your registry (required to
remove kak), you might want to invite your local computer geek friend to
come over for pizza and a movie.

- T

mailto: origami@cattail.nu
http://www.cattail.nu/

Tommy's fine urls (relisted in case you deleted it thinking you didn't need
them and have discovered that you do):

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html

http://www.pchell.com/internet/kakworm.shtml

http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=VBS_KAKWORM.A

http://www.sweep.nl/virusinfo/analyses/vbskakworm.html





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 07:40
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

Craig

WITH ruler and compasses, proceed as follows -

1) Draw a circle of any radius, being sure to keep the compasses set to the
same radius when done.

2) Put the point of the compasses anywhere on the circumference of the
circle, and use the pencil end to
     make a mark each side of the point

3) Put the point at one of the two pencil marks and repeat

4) Repeat until you have six pencil marks on the circumference. Join these
together, and you have a
     hexagon.

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Willis <mailto:Craig.Willis@CHELSEAFC.NET>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:15 PM
Subject: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

> Can anyone tell me how to create a hexagon with the need for rulers,
> compases etc....
>
> Regards
>
> Craig





From: Craig Willis <Craig.Willis@CHELSEAFC.NET>
Date: 22 May 2000 08:49
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

Ooops, I feel really stupid now, my message should have read.....WITHOUT the
need for rulers, compasses etc...

> WITH ruler and compasses, proceed as follows -
>
> 1) Draw a circle of any radius, being sure to keep the compasses set to
the
> same radius when done.
>
> 2) Put the point of the compasses anywhere on the circumference of the
> circle, and use the pencil end to
>      make a mark each side of the point
>
> 3) Put the point at one of the two pencil marks and repeat
>
> 4) Repeat until you have six pencil marks on the circumference. Join these
> together, and you have a
>      hexagon.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 08:49
Subject: Re: age

-----Original Message-----
From: JuanCarlo Rodriguez <jaycer1@hotmail.com>
To: tciprograming@telcel.net.ve <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:49:21 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: age

>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Cal faile <calfaile@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

>>1.- Origami: From Angelfish to Zen (Peter Engel)
>
>I finally own a copy of this, after borrowing it from my local library
>countless times.  Does anyone know how to keep the paper from splitting
>along the crease in the last few steps?

I don't know what model in particular do you mean, but read the interview
Engel made to Akira Yoshizawa. He says that "you must find the right paper
for the model".  Quite true. Most of the more complex models in that book
are best made with tissue foil, except for the Crab, for example, which
seems to be best made from foil. If you want some really helpful hints on
folding the models from that book, and a lot of others, check out this link
on Joseph Wu's page:

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/z/zbrown/origami/origami.errata

Just check it out!

JC

>Thanx, for the websites!  I'll be sure to check them out!
>
>-Calfaile





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:03
Subject: Re: gestation

And the thread goes on and on...

Ever since I started seriously folding some six years ago, I've only stopped
briefly. I don't think I'll ever really rest, as we have a meeting at least
once a month and that brings me right back into "folding mode". I think
that's good on one side, since I can practice almost permanently, but for
the uninitiated it can be like going out with somebody: you enjoy your
company, but after a while you start wondering whether it's not better to
give each other a breather so that you miss yourselves and enjoy more your
company.

Congratulations to anybody who could have found sense in what I just wrote.
I'm off now...

JC





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:05
Subject: Re: age

Ooooh... Well, can't help you there. Never been able to fold her
satisfactorily (is that written correctly?) beyond the first dozen steps or
so. But my advice in my last e-mail stands. Try tissue foil.

Enjoy!

JC

>oops, sorry.  I was writing this email on my comp when I lost connection.
>Of course, I lost the hotmail window.  I was talking about Engel's
butterfly
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:07
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Erica Knopper wrote:

>Hey, I'm jealous! I only get 20-30 emails daily from origami-l, and
>here she's getting 70-80 ;-)
>-Erica

Because Jacqueline Duncan wrote:

>>Are you sure you want to do this?  I'm having to delete 70-80 e-mails
daily
>>due to lack of reading time...  AND I can't seem to "unsubscribe" no
matter
>>WHERE I write to!
>>

In reply to Bob Burt writing:

>>
>>This may seem like a dumb question but how do I get on origami-l?
>>
>>Thanks
>

So I reply:

Geez, and me complaining about 30-40 e-mails... Erica, we're gonna have to
write each other daily! ;-)

JC





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:09
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Geez, Dave, chill... Some people "accidentaly" erase that first message. If
you don't want to read about those people, just do what I do: either help
them or erase the dang message!

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:09:57 -0400
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

>Am I the only one who is tired of people constantly asking how to get off
>the list when it was explained in the first email they received?  Can they
>not read?  Have they not the patience to read an email that must be
>important if it was immediately sent to them?  Son of a gun!
>
>David





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:13
Subject: Re: train engine origami

Well, there IS an engine in Paul Jackson's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ORIGAMI AND PAPER
ARTS, but I think that's way too advanced for a 6-year-old kid (unless she's
Peter Budai's kid sister), but I'll see if I can hunt down a simple train.

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Schulz <fyl@USWEST.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:13:58 -0400
Subject: train engine origami

>Some poor little girl has grand delusions about my instantaneous
>creative skills.  I would, however, love to come out smelling like a
>rose, so can anybody help her (and me) out?
>(Hey, Leigh! Still chuffed about that train?)
>
>>Hi, my name is Camy Wallace and I am 6. I want to learn how to make a
>train
>>engine out of origami. can you make one and teach me?  I live in
>Cleveland,
>>Ohio and LOVE trains. I think your pictures of stuff you have made is
>cool.
>>Thank you, Camy
>>
>>momyote@cs.com
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
>
>P.S. Thought that this might be appropriate regarding another thread
>we're having:
>+++
>This is the Unix version of "I Love You". It works on the honor system.
>
>If you receive this mail, you should delete a bunch of GIFs, MP3s, and
>binaries from your home directory, then send a copy of this e-mail to
>everyone you know.
>
>Thanks for your cooperation.





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:24
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

Craig

How did I know you were going to say that ?

There are many ways to do this, but the one I know is as follows -

1) Start with a square of paper and fold into 1/4's horizontally and
vertically, making 16 smaller squares.

2) Fold in each corner, so that the corner touches the vertical fold nearest
to it you made in step 1) above, and
    passed through where the top or bottom edge (whichever is nearest) is
crossed by the center fold.

.-------------------------1------------------------.
                                            |             |               |
|          |
                                            |             |               |
|          |

|-X-------|------------|-------------|-----X-|
                                            |             |               |
|          |
                                            |             2               |
3          |

...............................................................

   I.e. In the diagram above, which shows the top of the paper only, make
folds through 1 touching 2 and 3. Then rotate the paper 180 degrees and
repeat.

3) The folds you have just made pass through the horizontal creases around
where the X's are above. Make vertical creases through     the two X's on
both left and right sides

You now may or may not have a hexagon inscribed inside the square, which you
can cut out and keep.

For more details check out '3-D Geometric Origami (Modular Polyhedra)'  by
Rona Gurkewitz and Bennett Arnstein, published by Dover in 1995, ISBN
0-486-28863-3.

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Willis <mailto:Craig.Willis@CHELSEAFC.NET>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

> Ooops, I feel really stupid now, my message should have read.....WITHOUT
the
> need for rulers, compasses etc...
>
> > WITH ruler and compasses, proceed as follows -
> >
> > 1) Draw a circle of any radius, being sure to keep the compasses set to
> the
> > same radius when done.
> >
> > 2) Put the point of the compasses anywhere on the circumference of the
> > circle, and use the pencil end to
> >      make a mark each side of the point
> >
> > 3) Put the point at one of the two pencil marks and repeat
> >
> > 4) Repeat until you have six pencil marks on the circumference. Join
these
> > together, and you have a
> >      hexagon.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mark





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 09:32
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

.... BUT of course you have to allow for the fact that the diagram will be
totally useless unless you can get it displayed in a font where all the
letters are the same size.

This is left as an exercise for the reader.

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.oracle.com>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

> Craig
>
> How did I know you were going to say that ?
>
> There are many ways to do this, but the one I know is as follows -
>
> 1) Start with a square of paper and fold into 1/4's horizontally and
> vertically, making 16 smaller squares.
>
> 2) Fold in each corner, so that the corner touches the vertical fold
nearest
> to it you made in step 1) above, and
>     passed through where the top or bottom edge (whichever is nearest) is
> crossed by the center fold.
>
>
> .-------------------------1------------------------.
>                                             |             |
|
> |          |
>                                             |             |
|
> |          |
>
> |-X-------|------------|-------------|-----X-|
>                                             |             |
|
> |          |
>                                             |             2
|
> 3          |
>
> ...............................................................
>
>
>    I.e. In the diagram above, which shows the top of the paper only, make
> folds through 1 touching 2 and 3. Then rotate the paper 180 degrees and
> repeat.
>
> 3) The folds you have just made pass through the horizontal creases around
> where the X's are above. Make vertical creases through     the two X's on
> both left and right sides
>
> You now may or may not have a hexagon inscribed inside the square, which
you
> can cut out and keep.
>
> For more details check out '3-D Geometric Origami (Modular Polyhedra)'  by
> Rona Gurkewitz and Bennett Arnstein, published by Dover in 1995, ISBN
> 0-486-28863-3.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Willis <mailto:Craig.Willis@CHELSEAFC.NET>
> To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons
>
>
> > Ooops, I feel really stupid now, my message should have read.....WITHOUT
> the
> > need for rulers, compasses etc...
> >
> > > WITH ruler and compasses, proceed as follows -
> > >
> > > 1) Draw a circle of any radius, being sure to keep the compasses set
to
> > the
> > > same radius when done.
> > >
> > > 2) Put the point of the compasses anywhere on the circumference of the
> > > circle, and use the pencil end to
> > >      make a mark each side of the point
> > >
> > > 3) Put the point at one of the two pencil marks and repeat
> > >
> > > 4) Repeat until you have six pencil marks on the circumference. Join
> these
> > > together, and you have a
> > >      hexagon.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Mark





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 10:30
Subject: Re: info Perry's death

Pickwickian syndrome (Obesity hypoventilation syndrome) is a disease named
after Charles Dickens' Fat Joe in The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick
Club, the overweight, red-faced boy in a permanent state of sleepiness, who
snored and breathed heavily. The term "Pickwickian" syndrome is now used to
describe patients with the most severe form of sleep apnea that is
associated with reduced levels of breathing even during the day.

Massive obesity interferes with the movement of the chest wall and
subsequently reduces the breathing. This results in a decreased ability to
oxygenate the blood. Affected individuals suffer from chronic hypoxia
(decreased blood oxygen). The Pickwickian syndrome is characterized by
massive obesity, flushed face, frequent short episodes of irresistible sleep
throughout the day, and disturbed sleep at night. These individuals are at
risk for hypoxic cardiomyopathy, pulmonary hypertension, and cor pulmonale.

The reason these peopl;e don't start breathing again has to do with the way
they get the signal to breathe. When you hold your breath your Carbon
Dioxide level (CO2) goes up. This signals your brain to breathe (this is why
a kid can't hold his breath 'till he turns blue because the urge to breathe
is too great). In patients with Chronic obstructive lung disease (COPD) like
your dad, their CO2 level is naturally high so the body switches over to a
Low Oxygen(O2) signal. When the O2 level is low, they breathe. This is why
it is dangerous to give these people high concentrations of O2 because it
will actually cause the to STOP breathing!

Hope this helps to explain the syndrome. Please let me know if you have any
further questions.

Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology                   (and a folder to
boot!)
Assistant Professor of Anatomy and Neurosciences
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
301 University Blvd
E-91
Galveston, TX  77555

e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu
phone: 409-772-1221

-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Bailey [mailto:pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM]
Sent: May 20, 2000 1:49 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: info Perry's death

Hi everyone!

        I thought that I should inform of what was suppose to be the
cause of death for my Dad and I will explain as best as I can.
IN the death certificate it says he died from a Cardiac
Arrythmia which was due to Apneic spell of Pickwickian Syndrome
which overcall cause is suppose to be from Morbid Obesity.  They
blame it all on his weight but my Aunt said a lot of times when
an overweight person dies there tends to be some blame put on
their weight.  Any ways, (as far as I understand) it was a heart
attack/  The heart attack came on because for some reason or
another he was holding his breath.  In normal circumstances when
someone hold their breathe they tend end up starting to breath
again eventually a natural reaction, but my dad's case that
apparently did not occur.  If any one else can explain the
technical jargon better feel free to.  I just thought you should
know the cause of death.

Erralee Bailey
--
"Continental chambermaids
are very hard to shock,
first they wait until your naked
then they enter, then they knock!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!





From: conscious9 <conscious9@HOME.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 10:31
Subject: orchids

hi all,

 after killing my third orchid i decided to fold them again to decorate
     instead.. but here's the thing! i forgot how i did the flower! I wrote
     down a makeshift set of folding instructions - starting with a piece of
     paper in a triangle shape and based the

many thanks,

  Per





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 10:46
Subject: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL

To anyone interested:

My web page has moved to

http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/

(was http://members.aol.com/maytom431/)

I have just updated it and added diagrams for a graduation mortarboard money
fold.

Happy folding, Tom May       maytom431@aol.com





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 10:46
Subject: Re: orchids

Books, I don't know of, although there are the usuals that include flowers,
like Origami for the Connoiseur, Creative Origami, and Origami Omnibus. But
I hear that there's a pretty good CD-ROM on origami flowers called... um...
Origami Flowers. Here's the link where you can buy it:

http://www.khs.com/

It's worth a try. Plus, they've got a downloadable demo.

Enjoy!

JC
    -----Original Message-----
    From: conscious9 <conscious9@HOME.COM>
    To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
    Date: Lunes 22 de Mayo de 2000 10:33 AM
    Subject: orchids

    hi all,

     after killing my third orchid i decided to fold them again to decorate
instead.. but here's the thing! i forgot how i did the flower! I wrote down
a makeshift set of folding instructions - starting with a piece of paper in
a triangle shape and based the folds on that of a iris. it is just the first
couple of folds that snag me. can anyone help? also if anyone can recommend
some good books on folding flowers.

    many thanks,

      Per





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 22 May 2000 11:05
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

>
> Ooops, I feel really stupid now, my message should have read.....WITHOUT
the
> need for rulers, compasses etc...
>

The BOS Web site should have the diagrams for folding a hexagon from a
square by David Dureisseix.

Cheng Chit





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 11:28
Subject: Re: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL

My congratulations, Tom; you're the first man brave enough to fold a model
from a $100-bill. In my currency, that's nearly 70,000 bolmvares. That's
about the price of two pairs of jeans down here. :-)

WARNING: I don't mean to sound sarcastic! I'm trying to be funny!

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:28:15 -0400
Subject: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL

>To anyone interested:
>
>My web page has moved to
>
>http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/
>
>(was http://members.aol.com/maytom431/)
>
>I have just updated it and added diagrams for a graduation mortarboard
money
>fold.
>
>Happy folding, Tom May       maytom431@aol.com





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 11:30
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

As Mark pointed out there are many ways. Try this site:
http://chocolate.custard.org/origami/
to get diagrammed instruction in Ted Normington's Daffodil. The beginning
steps show you how to make hexagon. Get the first page only if you don't
want to try the famous Daffodil.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:30:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

>Craig
>
>How did I know you were going to say that ?
>
>There are many ways to do this, but the one I know is as follows -





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 11:40
Subject: Missing models

Recently, I visited the Origami Dimensions page (for those interested,
here's the URL: http://www.saliers.addr.com/origami/orgdims.shtml , as I
know that it will be useful for everyone out there), and they have one part
dedicated to Montroll's MYTHICAL BEINGS AND ANIMALS IN THE CHINESE ZODIAC.
They mention, among the usual models in the book, a Frosted Dragon and a
Minotaur. People, I own this book and those two animals are nowhere to be
seen! Is this (a) a mistake by that pages webmaster, (b) because I have a
newer/older version of the book, or (c) those two models are actually in
another book?

Muchas gracias,
Juan Carlo





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 22 May 2000 12:01
Subject: Re: train engine origami

Phil Schulz wrote:
> Some poor little girl has grand delusions about my instantaneous
> creative skills.
>
> >Hi, my name is Camy Wallace and I am 6. I want to learn how to make a
train
> >engine out of origami. can you make one and teach me?

A very easy train, from more pieces of paper and two-dimensional, you can
find in "Origami Toyo Books" no. 4. It's a Japanese book, written from right
to left. I can't find an ISBN number on my book and I don't know it's for
sale. On the front cover, there's a picture of some trees, an ostrich, deer,
panda, giraffe and a koala.

Hope this helps,
Paula from Holland.
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 22 May 2000 12:14
Subject: Origami Train Engine Challenge

Rev up your engines, O-listers.  We have some very talented designers on
the list (and you know who you are!!!) who I'm sure would delight in the
challenge of creating a simple origami train engine.

Dorothy





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 12:55
Subject: $100.00 bill folding

Juan, NOT TRUE!

Many years ago I folded rings out of $1.00, $2.00, $5.00, $10.00, $20.00,
$50.00, and $100.00 bills over a series of months and gave them to my
girlfriend (now wife) before I gave her an engagement ring.

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juan Carlo Rodrmguez [mailto:tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:26 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL
>
>
> My congratulations, Tom; you're the first man brave enough to
> fold a model
> from a $100-bill. In my currency, that's nearly 70,000
> bolmvares. That's
> about the price of two pairs of jeans down here. :-)
>
> WARNING: I don't mean to sound sarcastic! I'm trying to be funny!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Lunes 22 de Mayo de 2000 10:46 AM
> Subject: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL
>
>
> >To anyone interested:
> >
> >My web page has moved to
> >
> >http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/
> >
> >(was http://members.aol.com/maytom431/)
> >
> >I have just updated it and added diagrams for a graduation
> mortarboard
> money
> >fold.
> >
> >Happy folding, Tom May       maytom431@aol.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 13:09
Subject: Re: $100.00 bill folding

No wonder she married you! ;-)

Actually, I should extend my congratulations to ANYONE who has folded a
$100.00-bill.

I'd like to take a chance to explain my point of view. In my country, 100
dollars could buy 7 days worth of  groceries for a family of three. My
currency is the bolmvar, and the exchange rate is 1 US dollar = 688
bolmvares. We have 5 (very rare), 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 2000, 5000,
10,000 and 20,000-bolmvar bill. And yet, our highest-valued bill is only
less than one-third of a hundred dollars. I grimace at the fact of folding
anything above 50 bs. and yet there are hundreds of models made by more than
ten times that (all the dollar-bill models). Let me put it this way: the
average yearly income for a Venezuelan is less the equivalent to less than
3500 US dollars. I'm in the middle-high social class, living OK, no
luxuries, and I earn only three times that.

Oh, geez, people, sorry if I'm bringing you down.  I really didn't mean to.
But that's the problem with living in the third-world with a first-world
mind (we're a minority down here -- look who we elected for President).

Fold away!

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:09:46 -0400
Subject: $100.00 bill folding

>Juan, NOT TRUE!
>
>Many years ago I folded rings out of $1.00, $2.00, $5.00, $10.00, $20.00,
>$50.00, and $100.00 bills over a series of months and gave them to my
>girlfriend (now wife) before I gave her an engagement ring.
>
>Howard
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Juan Carlo Rodrmguez [mailto:tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE]
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:26 AM
>> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL
>>
>>
>> My congratulations, Tom; you're the first man brave enough to
>> fold a model
>> from a $100-bill. In my currency, that's nearly 70,000
>> bolmvares. That's
>> about the price of two pairs of jeans down here. :-)
>>
>> WARNING: I don't mean to sound sarcastic! I'm trying to be funny!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
>> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>> Date: Lunes 22 de Mayo de 2000 10:46 AM
>> Subject: Mortarboard diagrams, new URL
>>
>>
>> >To anyone interested:
>> >
>> >My web page has moved to
>> >
>> >http://hometown.aol.com/maytom431/
>> >
>> >(was http://members.aol.com/maytom431/)
>> >
>> >I have just updated it and added diagrams for a graduation
>> mortarboard
>> money
>> >fold.
>> >
>> >Happy folding, Tom May       maytom431@aol.com





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 22 May 2000 13:21
Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons

Thank you for the link, I'd been wanting to find the diagrams for this model
for a long time!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Shi-Yew
> Chen (a.k.a. Sy)
> Sent: lundi, 22. mai 2000 17:25
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Yet more help required! - Hexagons
>
>
> As Mark pointed out there are many ways. Try this site:
> http://chocolate.custard.org/origami/
> to get diagrammed instruction in Ted Normington's Daffodil.





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 13:56
Subject: Re: Norminton's Daffodil and other great models...

Julia Palffy, reply to Sy Chen's message about hexagons which included  a
reference/pointer to Ted Norminton's Daffodil, indited:

>Thank you for the link, I'd been wanting to find the diagrams for this
>model
>for a long time!
> > http://chocolate.custard.org/origami/
> > to get diagrammed instruction in Ted Normington's Daffodil.

I would like to put in a plug for Paul Jackson's book "Classic Origami" in
which Ted's model is diagrammed, along with a variety of other wonderful
models. This book is truly well named, but sadly apparently out of print.

-D'gou

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From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 22 May 2000 13:57
Subject: Re: $100.00 bill folding

Juan Carlo Rodrguez              <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve> writes:

> I grimace at the fact of folding anything above 50 bs. and yet there
> are hundreds of models made by more than ten times that (all the
> dollar-bill models).

Well, remember that folding a model out of a dollar bill (or a $100
bill) doesn't make the bill useless.  I don't know much about
Venezualan bills, but US bills are very robust and can easily take the
punishment of having a model or a thousand folded out of them.  And I
don't know of any people who would leave a bill in folded form... my
bill folds usually last about 10 minutes for everyone around to see.

So it isn't really a matter of disposable money, just very flexible
money!

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
172 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes, 48 seconds till we run away.
Honk if you love peace and quiet.





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 14:36
Subject: Lang's Scarab Beetle

Well after the first time it was great.  I realize why I messed it up the
first time.  One reason is I didn't do the wraps right (I've only been
back in folding for a week or two) and the second reason is I was treating
xerox paper like typewriter paper.  I was tired and thought I grabbed
typewriter paper.  Xerox paper is very hard to use for insects.  I've
decided not to fold a nice one from origami paper mainly because all I
have is the solid colors, none works well for this beetle.  I would like a
dark green foil, or a dark blue foil paper.  But I simply don't like foil
paper anyway, it's not very forgiving.

David





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 14:40
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Hey Juan I'm not exactly steeming angry.  I'm saying it's their own fault
if they delete the message and don't know how to get off the list.  They
can as easily still figure it out themselves than send an email to the
list asking how to do it.  My point is that none of us have to do the work
of telling them what to do when they figure it out themselves.

David





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 22 May 2000 14:54
Subject: Re: How to get on origami-l

Hey, Dave! OK, if you put it that way, I agree. Just concerned for you. Take
care!

JC

----- Mensaje original -----
De: "David Whitbeck" <dmwhitbeck@ucdavis.edu>
Para: "Juan Carlo Rodrmguez" <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve>
CC: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Lunes 22 de Mayo de 2000 02:40 PM
Asunto: Re: How to get on origami-l

> Hey Juan I'm not exactly steeming angry.  I'm saying it's their own fault
> if they delete the message and don't know how to get off the list.  They
> can as easily still figure it out themselves than send an email to the
> list asking how to do it.  My point is that none of us have to do the work
> of telling them what to do when they figure it out themselves.
>
> David





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 15:02
Subject: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

On 22 May 2000, at 9:08, Juan Carlo Rodrguez wrote:

> Geez, Dave, chill... Some people "accidentaly" erase that first message. If
> you don't want to read about those people, just do what I do: either help
> them or erase the dang message!

OK, let's try to help them:  There is an internet standard, that for
EVERY public mailing list, if the list name is:
   LIST@HOST
then the mail address
   LIST-request@HOST

*must* [per the "rules" of the internet] will get you in touch with the
administrator of the list.  Easy, eh?  Won't bother anybody... will
actually get you in touch with the right person [it isn't the case here,
since Joseph and Anne are both on the list, but, e.g., I administer a
couple of lists that I'm _not_ on and, of course, pleas to the _list_
fall on deaf/helpless ears] and it will work for *every* mailing list...

So now we all know how to fish... Wanna run a pool on how long before
someone sends a message to the list asking "How do I turn off digest" or
the like??? :o)

As as for the 'just delete it', you should caucus with the person who
wrote complaining about the high traffic flow on the list [although by
internet standards, ori-l is at best a medium-to-low traffic mailing
list!]...  Explain to those folk how happy they should be to get a bunch
of *extra* irrelevant, unnecessary, non-origami traffic on the list
[indeed, and not even with the courtesty of an "NO" tag, so that folks
trying to filter that stuff out will STILL get stuck with it].  Misplaced
email, especially sent to a thousand or more folk, wastes *everyones*
time and is best discouraged, rather than tolerated.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 22 May 2000 15:02
Subject: Re: $100.00 bill folding

Alan Shutko wrote:

> Juan Carlo Rodrguez              <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve> writes:
>
> > I grimace at the fact of folding anything above 50 bs. and yet there
> > are hundreds of models made by more than ten times that (all the
> > dollar-bill models).
>
> Well, remember that folding a model out of a dollar bill (or a $100
> bill) doesn't make the bill useless.

No, but playing around with a bill is like showing you don't need to take
money too seriously...

... and there are people who haven't got any choice but to take it
seriously - every cent.

We're lucky enough to have the money to spend on origami books and paper...
let's not overdo it. Being tactful shouldn't hurt...

Just my two cents, please excuse the preaching.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 22 May 2000 15:02
Subject: Re: Norminton's Daffodil and other great models...

D'gou wrote:
> I would like to put in a plug for Paul Jackson's book "Classic Origami" in
> which Ted's model is diagrammed, along with a variety of other wonderful
> models. This book is truly well named, but sadly apparently out of print.

I should have added that the Daffodil diagrams are posted on Emma' site
courtesy of the publishers - three cheers for Quintett Publishing! If ever
they decide to reprint Paul Jackson's book, I'll certainly buy it.

Suppose a publisher of origami books now out of print has a Website or an
E-mail, how many messages do you think would be needed to convince them that
there might be enough demand to make it worth reprinting?

Wondering whether we could do something there,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <dinogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 15:27
Subject: Re: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

>OK, let's try to help them:  There is an internet standard, that for
>EVERY public mailing list, if the list name is:
>    LIST@HOST
>then the mail address
>    LIST-request@HOST
>
>*must* [per the "rules" of the internet] will get you in touch with the
>administrator of the list.  Easy, eh

   I must, respectfully, disagree.  This is far from true -- there is no set
standard I've seen (wish there was, though!)  For example, I had to postpone
my listserver subscriptions (3, through 2 distributors) while on vacation.
For two of them (run through the same source computer), I had to send the
commands to listproc@xxx.xxx (I assume "listproc" stands for "list
processor").  However, for the origami-l list, I sent it to "listserv"
("list server").  Furthermore, the commands sent themselves are different.
For the listproc software, I had to send:

set listname mail postpone

to postpone it, and

set listname mail ack

to start receiving it again.  However, the origami-l's machine requires:

set ORIGAMI NOMAIL

and

set ORIGAMI MAIL

to achieve the same result.  Thankfully, I had filed copies of each
listserver's command requirements when I initially subscribed (the listproc
commands also have a web site for the forgetful!).  At any rate, my point is
that there is _not_ a standard, at least not as far as I've seen!  Too bad,
too, 'cuz it would all be so much easier if there were!  (Of course, if
there were only one universal computer platform, that'd make a lot of things
easier, too, but convenience is sacrificed for a dearth of monopoly...  ;-D
)

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

                     Jerry D. Harris
                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 841-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2808
            >>>>> dinogami@hotmail.com <<<<<

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From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 22 May 2000 15:32
Subject: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

I managed to get on a couple mailing lists I did not subscribe to or want,
and I could not unsubscribe by the usual instructions.  I'm not a stupid
person.  I inherited an email account, where the alias has been changed for
me, where the previous person had subscribed.  So when I tried to
unsubscribe, naturally, the email addresses did not match, and the account
would not unsubscribe.

If you've tried unsubscribing by the normal method, and it's just not
working, perhaps your account nomenclature has changed, if not mail box.

Take any message you received to the list, and look at the message
properties, at the route history.  See the partial clip of mine below:

--------------
Return-Path: owner-origami@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com (cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109])
 by vs25.virtualisys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24119
 for <origami@CATTAIL.NU>; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
-------------

Do you see your email address in this list? (Notice my origami@cattail.nu,
that's where I subscribed from).  If not, mail the entire route history to
the list admin (not the list).  The list admin should be able to figure out
which address is on the list and remove it.

Not all unsubscribing problems are user errors, and while no one likes to
see "How do I get off this list???" messages, it can be a rather frustrating
experience.

- T

mailto: origami@cattail.nu
http://www.cattail.nu





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 16:07
Subject: Re: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

On 22 May 2000, at 13:26, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

> >OK, let's try to help them:  There is an internet standard, that for
> >EVERY public mailing list, if the list name is:
> >    LIST@HOST
> >then the mail address
> >    LIST-request@HOST
> >
> >*must* [per the "rules" of the internet] will get you in touch with the
> >administrator of the list.  Easy, eh
>
>    I must, respectfully, disagree.  This is far from true -- there is no set
> standard I've seen (wish there was, though!)

Well, you're just wrong.  Notice that I didn't not say "will *DO*
anything" I said "will get you in touch with the adminstrator".  Yes,
majordomo, listserver, ezmlm, this and that, all have different rules for
automating the various admistrative actions, and if you can remember
which 'flavor' of MLM is hosting a particular list and you remember [or
kept the welcome message] you can do a lot of list-admin stuff on your
own.

BUT, RFC 2142 is "MAILBOX NAMES FOR COMMON SERVICES, ROLES AND FUNCTIONS"
and it is an internet standard.  It says:

> 6.  MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION MAILBOX
>
>    Mailing lists have an administrative mailbox name to which add/drop
>    requests and other meta-queries can be sent.
>
>    For a mailing list whose submission mailbox name is:
>
>       <LIST@DOMAIN>
>
>    there MUST be the administrative mailbox name:
>
>       <LIST-REQUEST@DOMAIN>
>
>    Distribution List management software, such as MajorDomo and
>    Listserv, also have a single mailbox name associated with the
>    software on that system -- usually the name of the software -- rather
>    than a particular list on that system.  Use of such mailbox names
>    requires participants to know the type of list software employed at the
>    site.  This is problematic.  Consequently:
>
>       LIST-SPECIFIC (-REQUEST) MAILBOX NAMES ARE REQUIRED,
>       INDEPENDENT OF THE AVAILABILITY OF GENERIC LIST SOFTWARE
>       MAILBOX NAMES.

  /Bernie\

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From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 16:11
Subject: Re: NO: Re: How to get on origami-l

On 22 May 2000, at 15:28, T wrote:

> I managed to get on a couple mailing lists I did not subscribe to or want,
> and I could not unsubscribe by the usual instructions....
> .. I inherited an email account, where the alias has been changed for
> me, where the previous person had subscribed.  So when I tried to
> unsubscribe, naturally, the email addresses did not match, and the account
> would not unsubscribe.

Just so.  That's part of the reason why the governing RFCs *MANDATE* that
there be a "-request" alias associated with *EVERY* mailing list so that
you can easily contact someone [a _person_!] who can help you sort out
the problem...  [which is often not easy to sort out!]

[...]

> Not all unsubscribing problems are user errors, and while no one likes to
> see "How do I get off this list???" messages, it can be a rather frustrating
> experience.

That's correct --- but *THATS*WHY*THERE*IS*A*-REQUEST*ALIAS*.  and it is
**REQUIRED**.  There is _no_ reason, ever, to send a message to the
*whole*list* about problems like these and no reason to get all
frustrated --- try doing whatever-you-remember for messing with the list
['NOMAIL' or 'OFF" or who knows what command will do the job], and when
it doesn't work, just send your problem to the -request alias...

  /Bernie\
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Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: 22 May 2000 16:16
Subject: Re: Norminton's Daffodil and other great models...

> which Ted's model is diagrammed, along with a variety of other wonderful

Those seeking Norminton models (including the daffodil and some other
flowers) should consider purchasing the 2 Norminton booklets (diagrams
by D. Petty) currently on offer from the BOS.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 16:43
Subject: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

Juan Carlos,

I was stupid enough to fold from a $100 bill at convention. The particular
model required a really crisp bill.

The only crisp bill that I had was $100. So I folded the model from it.
Later I fold some other ones for practice.

When I got home from convention, I placed these bill in a basket in my
bedroom along with other dollar folds.

My wife needed a dollar to pay some one back, noticing that I had a couple
of these models took one. She
paid her friend back at work. Her friend gave it to her daughter. Her
daughter was short money for lunch show
she tried to pay for lunch with the model. The cashier made her unfold it.
The cashier could/would not take a
$100 bill so the girl missed out on lunch. The whole thing was traced back
to me. We apologized and swapped
the $100 for $1. My wife still give me a hard time about that every once in
a while.

Fred Rose, who was an OUSA member and on the Museum of Natural History Board
of Directors before his death,
use to get one South American currency since it was the same size as the US
dollar but only 30 cents or so. This was
a few years back unfortunately, I don't remember which country. Besides
which some of the countries have change
currencies three times since then.

About 10 years ago, the U.S. kids cereal makers had put new bill from
several South American countries  in their
cereal boxes as prizes for the Kids. Several countries sent protest to the
cereal manufacture that it was an insult to use
their national currency as a prize/toy to sell kids cereal. The government
must have known if since there had to have been
a large order for new bills for the cereal. Each bill was pack, inside of a
plastic wrap within the cereal box.

The more that I read about things like this the less I understand why.

Mark Kennedy





From: Louise Yale <Spinnglass@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 17:30
Subject: Re: Stupid enough to fold $100 bills

There is still another alternative to using $100 bills - or any bills at all
- and it's from good 'ol Walmart. Yes, folks, Big W comes through again with
US CURRENCY, a 75 piece learning set - for ages 3 & up. Each set includes
25-$1 bills, 15-$5 bills, 15-$10 bills, 10-$20 bills, 5-$50 bills and 5-$100
bills. The pack cost $1.95 at my local Walmart. I found these in the kids art
supply/crayon area. The manufacturer is Learning Playground, a division of
The Paper Magic Group of Scranton PA and - as you have probably guessed -
Made in China!
Happy folding!
Louise Yale





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 May 2000 17:34
Subject: $bill origami

Isn't Montroll publishing a dollar bill origami book soon?

David





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 22 May 2000 17:41
Subject: Re: $bill origami

On 22 May 2000, at 14:34, david whitbeck wrote:

> Isn't Montroll publishing a dollar bill origami book soon?

I thought his book on $bill animals was already out, isn't it??

  /Bernie\
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