




From: Manny <recovery@CYBERSPACE.ORG>
Date: 06 May 2000 16:09
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Being Brazilian and a huge fan of anything written in portuguese, I too
would be interested in knowing more about this book, or any other
Brazilian origami references out there.  Is this book available for
purchase on the internet?
Thanks,
manny

born.as/melv

On Sat, 6 May 2000, Rebecca Holt wrote:

> Hi Neil,
> I haven't heard of the book but I am curious about it if you learn anything.
     Where did you see it or hear about it?
> Becky
> Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:
> > Does anyone out there own this book or have taken a good look at it?  I
> would like to now what is in it and how interesting & worthwhile this would
> be for an advanced folder.
>
> --Neil





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 17:39
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Hello Everyone;
Yes, this book is available from Kim's Crane.
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://kimscrane.com

Manny wrote:
>
> Being Brazilian and a huge fan of anything written in portuguese, I too
> would be interested in knowing more about this book, or any other
> Brazilian origami references out there.  Is this book available for
> purchase on the internet?
> Thanks,
> manny
>
> born.as/melv
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Rebecca Holt wrote:
>
> > Hi Neil,
> > I haven't heard of the book but I am curious about it if you learn
     anything. Where did you see it or hear about it?
> > Becky
> > Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:
> > > Does anyone out there own this book or have taken a good look at it?  I
> > would like to now what is in it and how interesting & worthwhile this would
> > be for an advanced folder.
> >
> > --Neil





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 06 May 2000 20:23
Subject: getting started again

I must say that I'm glad that after all this time I haven't lost my skill
in folding origami.  I have succesfully wetfolded Kawasaki's shell and rose
after a lapse of several months.  Here at UCD a good thing has happened.
Somebody is going to teach an origami class this summer!  It is not me, but
having seen the models on display I know the class will be well taught.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 06 May 2000 20:29
Subject: I'm back

Greetings to all those out there on the list.  No doubt many of you
dreadfully recognize my name, and many of you don't.  I was on the list
last year but dropped it several months ago.  I haven't had the time to
fold origami for along time.  Me and many of my friends have devoted almost
all of our time to studying physics as this is my junior year in college.
But now I have started folding again and I have finally refound my interest
in origami.  When I look back to how I behaved a year ago, I realize that I
have severely abused the list.  For that I apologize.  I now realize that I
shouldn't swamp the list with emails about everything under the sun, and
that I should really read, instead of waiting to reply with what I have to
say.  I also realize that I shouldn't let every word upset me as if it was
a personal insult.  I now understand that I don't really understand the
tone behind emails as easily as I can in physical conversations.  With my
new understanding, I can hopefully enjoy sharing ideas with this list
without upsetting people for trivial reasons.  I hope many of you will
welcome me back to this list and forgive me for acting so rashly in the
past.

Sincerely,

David Whitbeck





From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 20:38
Subject: Re: I'm back

From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
===================
Welcome back, David, and all is forgiven, which is easy for me to say since
I don't remember the obnoxious David.  I remember reading lots of mail from
you but don't have unpleasant memories.
IM
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From: Deb Claypool <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 20:52
Subject: Re: I'm back

Hey David.  I'm someone who also spend a lot of time in my early
unsupervised, unedited "find my voice" days wallowing a bit.  It was
long before e-mail.

I'm glad you're back, even though I've just met you.  I abandoned
origami because I can get diagrams, I can correspond, I can usually get
a piece of paper.  The lack of breath and heartbeat sharing, though...
Deb Claypool





From: Jeadams1@AOL.COM
Date: 06 May 2000 21:14
Subject: Magic Rose Cube Patter?

I am going to show a member of our origami club, who is also a magician, how
to fold Valerie Vann's Magic Rose Cube. It just occurred to me that he might
ask if there is a standard patter that goes along with transforming the cube
into a rose and back again. (Sounds like the kind of thing a magician might
provide to enhance the presentation.) I've never heard of such a patter being
worked out. Does anyone know of one?

Thanks!

Jim





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 21:20
Subject: Re: Several threads: Dragon Book & 2 OUSA

At 08:48 PM 00-05-04 -0700, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Thanks for your practical perspecive on conventions, meetings, and the
>continuing work you've done for OUSA. Hearing of what another set of
>clubs (Sci Fi) is like is very instructive.
>
>Ron Arruda
>

As someone whose worked in different kinds of clubs, I can tell you that SF
fans are the best at organizing clubs and events, though I don't know why
that is.  Maybe it's the general sense of optimism, that Star Trek feeling.
 I often have suggested things to other clubs, and they just sort of curled
up in fetal positions.  Weird.  I could not convince my astronomy club that
people would buy pins with an astronomical theme, even though one of the
best designers is a personal friend of mine and we could have got a great
deal on them.  SF fans just jump right into things, including debt
unfortunately, but at least we TRY things!  Also, we talk to each other,
constantly.  Nobody sneezes without the world knowing it.  Mind you, no SF
list was ever as busy as this one, and there is a remarkable lack of
bitching.  Everytime my SF fans talk about SF lists, I tell them how great
the origami list is.  Different groups, different strengths, different ways
at looking at the world.  BTW, Mark, I will be at Chicon.  I'd love to meet
you and any other folders who might be hanging out.

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 22:11
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Carol Martinson indited:

>I own A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami and I think it is a really great book.
>There are 77 models diagrammed on 321 pages.  Most of the models are geared
>toward the intermediate folder.

>As to whether an advanced folder would be interested in this book, I would
>say the variety of models would warrant it.  While some models are simpler,
>others veer toward complex.  If you are looking for difficulty along the
>lines of some of those 150+ step dinosaurs, no, then it is not worth your
>while.

I would add that I also own this book. I would say the appeal to advanced
folders would on how many other books said folder owns. I found very few
models in this book which I didn't have in other books or ORU magazines or
such. Its a nice collection, though I think a bit pricey at $40. Granted,
its not a small book, and I've found (so far) the diagrams to be free of
errors.

This would be an excellent book for an intermediate folder looking for
interesting subjects and some stretching of folding-skills.

-D'gou
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From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
Date: 06 May 2000 22:40
Subject: Re: Tina's Wish to See Cow

Hi Tina,

I have a cow for your viewing. Please go to my homepage
(http://www.geocities.com/Soho/Gallery/8315/index.html). I hope you would
like it.

TPKong





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 07 May 2000 01:16
Subject: Re: Tina's Wish to See Cow

Those are impressive origami animals that I just saw on your website.  I
fear that it will be a long difficult task for you to diagram these models,
but well worth it.  If you publish a book with these models in it, I would
buy it.  I wish you luck in creating more models and diagramming those you
have!

David





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 07 May 2000 01:58
Subject: Re: I'm back

Hi Dave, welcome back to the list!
I enjoy people who are interested in a million things and eager to share
those interests (being of that ilk myself), and was always curious to read
your questions and arguments and explosions, so I for one rather missed you
when you were off the list... and am looking forward to reading your
postings again!

Regards,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
Date: 07 May 2000 04:25
Subject: Re: David's Origami Support

Hi David,

Thanks for your origami support. I am glad that you would buy my book of
origami. Please don't worry about my diagramming the models I have. In fact, I
have finished diagramming all my models. I am happy that the book is almost
already to be published. The instructions and diagrams of my models are clear
and concise. For my butterfly creation, there are only twenty steps to complete
it. Of course, it is not a simple butterfly you may think of. In fact, it is of
considerable details, such as legs and antennae. Well, I hope you would be my
first origami customer. .....  :)

TPKong





From: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 07 May 2000 10:31
Subject: Re: Denver folders

Hi, I'm one of the 5 or 6 OUSA members in Denver (I know Dee, but not the
others) at one time I was an occasional member of her group. I work on
Sundays however and am thus unable to make her group meetings. As far as I
know there is no more enthustic(sp)promoter and supporter of origami in the
Denver area. She has done a great job. To be honest however, I tend not to
go to "group" things anymore. I fold almost every day for my kids, myself,
just to see if I can out maneuver one of Lang's insects. my daughter's
classrooms have t-rex models, planes, etc and I have even done some
teaching. But for me that is where it ends. I like OUSA, am happy to be a
member, enjoy the PAPER and while I could see some changes being made, my
level of concern does not reach the level of others.  I fold because I love
the art form, because this is something that gives me pleasure period., I
would continue to fold, even if there were no organized groups. I folded
before I even knew OUSA or any other such group existed. I look with dismay
at the ill-will the recent situations have generated. Paper is one of the
most simplest of items. to be able to breathe life into it, give it form, is
a pleasure. I stand in awe of anyone who can create models. And yet in spite
of the joy it gives to all of us, if Origami ceased to exist tomorrow, the
world would not be changed one bit. yes, some of the issues in this list and
the OUSA list are important in some respects. But let us see everything in
its proper perspective. Lets try to get back to being at the very least
civil and respectful of each other. Looking back at earlier years of the
list, I sense a feeling of helpfulness, that has been lacking lately. We
have become consumers with all the negativeness that goes with it. The
attacks on V'Ann being an example. Most artists in any field share because
they want to, but this does not mean that they have to. The act of creation
does give the creator the right to keep his creation to himself.   The above
rant was simply my way of trying to rid myself of some of the negative
feelings, recent events in the origami world have generated. if I have
offended anyone, it's not personal. I now go back into permanent lurk mode

david





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 07 May 2000 11:20
Subject: Re: Origami Fantasy?

Yes, try E-Bay as someone has a copy up for bid.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=326406644

W.C.

>From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
>Reply-To: origami@netspace.org
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Origami Fantasy?
>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:06:31 -0400
>
>Hi everyone,
>Is "Origami Fantasy" still available in any way, shape, or form? I have
>had a number of requests through my Web site in the last few days from
>people who have said that Sasuga, Fascinating Folds, and other origami
>suppliers and bookstores are unable to find this book...
>
>-Eric :-P
>http://www.paperfolding.com
>
>/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
>\   Eric Andersen                                       /
>/    Mathematics, Music             ~  ~ __o            \
>\     and Origami                 ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
>/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
>\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
>          *** http://www.paperfolding.com ***

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From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 07 May 2000 13:21
Subject: Re: getting started again

Dave Whitbeck,

Since I'm fairly new to the list, yu don't have to live down your
history with me! With a fair amont of turnover, added to the short
memories of many of us aging types, you have the chace to "re-invent
yourself" from time to time! The world is your oyster!

Ron Arruda





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 07 May 2000 13:36
Subject: Re: David's Origami Support

AH! Is this book going to be in English? Will it be available in the US?
(I'm not sure what the my designation on the end of your email address
might mean...)

More info please!

Dee

Kong Tian Pang wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your origami support. I am glad that you would buy my book of
> origami. Please don't worry about my diagramming the models I have. In fact, I
> have finished diagramming all my models. I am happy that the book is almost
> already to be published. The instructions and diagrams of my models are clear
> and concise. For my butterfly creation, there are only twenty steps to
     complete
> it. Of course, it is not a simple butterfly you may think of. In fact, it is
     of
> considerable details, such as legs and antennae. Well, I hope you would be my
> first origami customer. .....  :)
>
> TPKong





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: 07 May 2000 13:51
Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING. This is serious, read this!

At 14:17 -0400 04-05-2000, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>On 4 May 2000, at 19:33, Sjaak Adriaanse wrote:
>> Do not open attachments coming with mail
>> messages with the same subject.
>
>THIS IS VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD ADVICE.  You should not open attachments
>you don't know a *lot* about **EVER**.  Your warning implies
>*exactly*backwards* behavior: that you have a mental list of "these are
>dangerous subjects" you should be watching out for and otherwise you're
>cavalier about attachments.. VERY BAD IDEA.

I guess you are right, Bernie. In this case all the more so, because I
heard that the same virus now also travels under other names (and subject
lines). So people, take Bernie's advice to heart:

>Exactly the opposite behavior is what's called for: NEVER open an
>attachment unless you absolutely have to, and if you *do*, treat EVERY
>attachment, regardless of its source or apparent content, as dangerous.
>If you're not *sure*, don't open it...

Greetings,
Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: T <origami@CATTAIL.NU>
Date: 07 May 2000 14:43
Subject: Kawasaki's Rose

Not trying to distract from Michael Janssen-Gibson's generous offer, but I
put up a web page on folding Kawasaki's rose.  I've been toying with the
idea of teaching the rose in my advanced class at a convention in July, and
I was trying to decide the best approach to take.  The web page is the
result of that pondering.

You will need to have Origami for the Connoisseur by Kunihiko Kasahara and
Toshie Takahama for the page to be helpful, as I only detailed step 8 and
10-12.  The pictures are a bit more crumpled-looking than I'd prefer, but
they should be clear enough.

There's also an animated gif of a rose folding itself and a picture of a
dime-sized one for your amusement.

http://www.cattail.nu/origami.html

T

mailto: t@cattail.nu
http://www.cattail.nu/





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 07 May 2000 14:54
Subject: No Re:      The "curious" thread

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deb Claypool" <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Subject: The "curious" thread

> Still it is only I going to St Ives.
>

I've always thought that the poem was wrong, and perhaps all are going to
St. Ives. The speaker, being unencumbered by sacks of cats and kittens,
however, is just getting there faster, and meets the others by passing them
along the way. The only panacea for the mind is within the mind itself, and
how one chooses to manifest it may differ from person to person. Most don't
ever find or look for it, so consider yourself ahead of the pack already.
Personally, I have only a few folds memorized, Momotani's seagull, the
flapping bird, crane, Lang's flapping seagull, Hulme's Jack-in-the-box, and
Engel's valentine pretty much comprise the heart of the list. Then again,
once you fold a kid the Jack-in-the-box on a long flight, they're generally
mollified by it for the rest of the trip. It isn't the models that make the
folder, it's the individual folds, for me. By the way, I've always wanted to
get to St.Ives, myself, but it's the journey, not the destination, that
matters most. Now go scrounge that attic!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
With clear melting dew,
I'd try to wash away the dust
of this floating world
                      -Basho
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

email: ella-mae@msn.com





From: Albert SNG <Albert_SNG@NYP.GOV.SG>
Date: 08 May 2000 08:07
Subject: Young origami talent in Singapore

Hi all,
Got to know of Andy through a newspaper feature on Origami.

Take a look at his very own creation at:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/user/singaorigami/ks0004b.htm





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 08 May 2000 09:16
Subject: Re: David's Origami Support

Kong! You have a book! I also hope this book will be available -- in any
language! As long as the diagrams are there... Good luck!

Juan Carlo

-----Original Message-----
From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:16:45 -0400
Subject: Re: David's Origami Support

>AH! Is this book going to be in English? Will it be available in the US?
>(I'm not sure what the my designation on the end of your email address
>might mean...)
>
>More info please!
>
>Dee
>
>Kong Tian Pang wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thanks for your origami support. I am glad that you would buy my book of
>> origami. Please don't worry about my diagramming the models I have. In
fact, I
>> have finished diagramming all my models. I am happy that the book is
almost
>> already to be published. The instructions and diagrams of my models are
clear
>> and concise. For my butterfly creation, there are only twenty steps to
complete
>> it. Of course, it is not a simple butterfly you may think of. In fact, it
is of
>> considerable details, such as legs and antennae. Well, I hope you would
be my
>> first origami customer. .....  :)
>>
>> TPKong





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 08 May 2000 09:16
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

OK, I'm tempted. Has anyone seen this book available anywhere (e.g., the
Internet, B&N, Amazon)?

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:16:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

>Carol Martinson indited:
>
>>I own A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami and I think it is a really great book.
>>There are 77 models diagrammed on 321 pages.  Most of the models are
geared
>>toward the intermediate folder.
>
>>As to whether an advanced folder would be interested in this book, I would
>>say the variety of models would warrant it.  While some models are
simpler,
>>others veer toward complex.  If you are looking for difficulty along the
>>lines of some of those 150+ step dinosaurs, no, then it is not worth your
>>while.
>
>I would add that I also own this book. I would say the appeal to advanced
>folders would on how many other books said folder owns. I found very few
>models in this book which I didn't have in other books or ORU magazines or
>such. Its a nice collection, though I think a bit pricey at $40. Granted,
>its not a small book, and I've found (so far) the diagrams to be free of
>errors.
>
>This would be an excellent book for an intermediate folder looking for
>interesting subjects and some stretching of folding-skills.
>
>-D'gou
>________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 08 May 2000 10:00
Subject: Re: Young origami talent in Singapore

This was folded from a guy who got into origami TWO YEARS AGO??? Allow me to
pick up my jaw... I've been folding for eight yers and I've only recently
designed a decent model by myself. Impressive! My kudos to Andy (and, by
extension, to all the talent in Singapore).

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert SNG <Albert_SNG@NYP.GOV.SG>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:00:49 -0400
Subject: Young origami talent in Singapore

>Hi all,
>Got to know of Andy through a newspaper feature on Origami.
>
>Take a look at his very own creation at:
>http://homex.s-one.net.sg/user/singaorigami/ks0004b.htm





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 08 May 2000 10:34
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

>Carol Martinson indited:
>I own A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami and I think it is a really great book.

 Juan Carlo Rodrmguez wrote:
>>OK, I'm tempted. Has anyone seen this book available anywhere (e.g., the
>>Internet, B&N, Amazon)?

It's available at kimscrane.
http://www.kimscrane.com//books2/8586822019.html

Paula from Holland.
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 May 2000 12:20
Subject: Re: Young origami talent in Singapore

There must be something about Singapore!  These models are amazing!

David

ps Ronald Koh, how is the book coming along?





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 08 May 2000 12:32
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

>>From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@yahoo.com>

Thanks Carol, I was going to type all of that :)
I'll only add a few corrections and annotations

>>Models included are {since I don't read Portuguese I may not list them all
>>absolutely correctly}: bowtie with collar, butterfly,
                         ^^^ actually it's the butterfly ring by Kase
>>Buddha with lotus base,
  ^^^Kasahara's; "base" means _stand_, not _starting fold_...
>>dog/puppy, 2 more dogs of which one is a pointer, box/container,
>>4-piece truck, book cover, carneiro = sheep?, card with heart inside,
                             ^^^^ ok            ^^^^ wallet
>>house, horse, seahorse, cerca = modular crown?, basket, rabbit,
                          ^^^^^ fence
>>colette = bag or purse, conch shell, star shell,, pana cube,
  ^^^ colete = waistecoat                           ^^^^ Kasahara's panda cube
>>clown cube, 2 more cubes, chopstick holder dragon,
>>2-piece dragon,
  ^^^ this model inspired JWu's
>>2 elephants, 2 envelope folds, shooting star, geometric flower shape,
>>begonia leaf, maple leaf?, rooster, glider, fork and spoon, 2 cats,
                ^^^^ ok,both Engel's  ^^^ seesaw
>>2 giraffes, 2 gorillas, grao de cafe?, fish,
                          ^^ coffe bean  ^^guppy
>>2-piece man, hortensia,
  ^^ Brill's walking man
>>alligator, bow, man reading newspaper,, bookmark shaped like a torso,
  ^^^ by Engel    ^^^ by van Goubergen
>>Mary, joseph, and Jesus, geometric pattern, eyes? with heart irises,
                           ^^^^ Miura's self-folding map
>>2 pandas, parrot, Father Christmas - 7 pieces,
  ^^^ by Giunta and Kawahata
>>brick pattern, peacock,
  ^^^ Momotani's stretching wall; the peacock is from Maekawa's V!O
>>picture frame,, rat, crane container, rose, rosette, high heeled shoe,
>>quacking/yapping frog!
>> { I've seen this model translated
>>both ways}, mouth with teeth, photo holder, turtle, tortoise,
              ^^^^ Horiguchi's "Smile!"
turbanned head, violet plant, violin.
^^ Budai's Turk

Apparently you missed Lang's rabbit, Momotani's lily, and Ow's double heart.

For those curious, the author Mari Kanegae published at least another
book previously. She has taught, created and managed origami groups
for many years now.
"A Arte dos Mestres de O." was published last year by a nonprofit (AFAIK)
cultural foundation, thus the relatively high price and low
availability.  You can see the cover in Kim's Crane's opening page, look
for a beige/red cover.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 08 May 2000 13:33
Subject: Re: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

>
> For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
> You may get information, programs, diagrams, old messages and other stuff
> from the archives via FTP, WWW and Email. The FAQ tells you how to do this.
I have tried on numerous occasions (more than once) to unsubscribe my
Dorsai address off the list. I subscribed using my Nycenet address. The
subscribe worked and the unsubscribe does not seem to work. I first left
Joseph Wu a message to see if he can fix it for me. I then did what one is
supposed to do when an unsubscribe does not work. How much time should I give
the human list managers to ensure that I do not get duplicate messages?
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ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 08 May 2000 15:12
Subject: Re: Young origami talent in Singapore

Wow!!! The Chinese Dragon shown on the page is so beautiful!

>From: Albert SNG <Albert_SNG@NYP.GOV.SG>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Young origami talent in Singapore
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:56:29 +0800
>
>Hi all,
>Got to know of Andy through a newspaper feature on Origami.
>
>Take a look at his very own creation at:
>http://homex.s-one.net.sg/user/singaorigami/ks0004b.htm

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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <dinogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 08 May 2000 17:02
Subject: Origami (Paper Airplane) Sighting

Hi All -

   Why origami isn't always a good thing, philosophically speaking...

http://www.uexpress.com/ups/comics/mb/pages/mb000423.html

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          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
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                 Phone:  (505) 841-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2808
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From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 08 May 2000 17:02
Subject: Re: Several threads: Dragon Book & 2 OUSA

Being a Star Trek fan for quite some time, I personally think it's
because we tend to be geeks! :-D

Dee

> As someone whose worked in different kinds of clubs, I can tell you that SF
> fans are the best at organizing clubs and events, though I don't know why
> that is.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 08 May 2000 17:20
Subject: Re: Young origami talent in Singapore

Wow, they're splendid!!! You have some wonderfully talented people in
Singapore. Thanks for showing us their creations!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 08 May 2000 23:50
Subject: Paper recommendations?

Hello all :)

First off I need to share some joy :)  In no small part to some very
helpful suggestions from this list, I've *finally* folded the Kawasaki rose
to my satisfaction! :)  Many thanks to one and all.

Now to my subject line :)  The paper I used for the rose was just regular
craft origami paper and a bit stiff for this subject matter.  I'd like the
curves a bit smoother, but the paper clearly can't take too much pinching
on those lines.  I'd like to know if folks out there have found papers at
their local art and craft supplies that have proven to be excellent for
origami.  We all know about foil backed papers and washi from Japan, but
are there any other hidden treasures among the paper world?

I've found mulberry sheets at my local art shop, but it only comes in
white.  I've had a lot of success with it for complex folds.  While it's
thin and strong though, it's soft so models cannot stand unaided.  I've
recently picked up some new paper which feels quite supple yet strong, but
I'm unsure of what it's made from.  It could just be a good thin cotton
rag.  My art store also had a thick fuzzy grey paper called velour paper.
It's normally for pastel drawings but I was able to fold a large square of
it into a really handsome Montroll rhino :)

Has anyone else experimented with papers and have wisdom to share?  How
about rice papers?  Other fibers?  Homemade?  Any unusual colours or
textured papers that can enhance a model?  I have some wallpaper sample
books that I'm going to start cutting squares from to experiment with - any
suggestions as to which models might work well with this heavy patterened
papers? :)

I'm looking forward to people's suggestions and thoughts :)

Later!

Lar

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From: AS <zerith@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 09 May 2000 02:23
Subject: Origami Presentation (longish)

Hi all...

It's been _quite_ a while since I delurked on the list, and I've remained
pretty quiet ever since.  Yikes - looking at the archives, I see it's been
over two years since I posted (Subject: Delurking at last... 16 Mar 1988).

Today I received some news that gives me as good a reason as any to break
the silence.  My proposal to present a session on origami at the annual
national convention of a professional organization in my field (education of
the gifted and talented) has been accepted!

This year's convention will be held in Atlanta, GA, in early November.  The
audience consists of early childhood, elementary, middle, and secondary
school teachers of the gifted/talented from around the US (with a few
international visitors), administrators, some parents and community types,
and of course other university/academic folks like me.  I've been allotted a
one hour session in a room that will supposedly hold 100 people.  I have, of
course, many many hours' worth of ideas I'd like to share, but I'll work on
narrowing it down in the next few months.

Over the past few years, I've read many of the conversations on presenting,
especially to large groups, but I'm open to hearing new ideas.  Many of
these had to do with teaching models, though, which will not be the primary
focus of this presentation.  With that in mind, I'm also interested in
hearing about what list members feel would be important to convey to a group
of educators about origami.  I have a pretty solid idea of what I'd like to
communicate, and this presentation will give me the opportunity to finally
articulate it. I'm also continuing to gather resources and create my own
materials to share within the educational community. Please feel free to
e-mail me off list if you'd like to discuss these or related issues further.

If it proves interesting, I'll hopefully post on the development of the
presentation as my thinking about it matures.  I'm working on getting over
my online shyness and tentativeness - though I still think that I need to
have something pretty important and widely relevant to add before I feel
like I should join or begin a conversation...

Thanks for listening,

Anita Senentz
zerith@bellsouth.net





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 09 May 2000 02:42
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR> sez

>Nick Robinson has a few models included, so I suppose he also owns
>the book and can give his opinion.

I think it's a superb book, full of the cream of modern folders (myself
excluded!) and beautifully illustrated. It's a real shame the weight of
the book has prevented the sales that it really deserves.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 04:40
Subject: Re: Kayak

To anyone who couldn't access the $bill kayak with Navigator:

The problem is fixed. Please visit the site again:

http://members.aol.com/maytom431/

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 06:55
Subject: 'Comp S-by-S Guide' back in print!!

My 1990 Hamlyn book 'Origami: a Complete Step-by-Step Guide'
(published in some editions with the word 'Course' in place of
'Guide') is now back in print.  It has been generally unavailable
since 1993, though a smaller edition with a new cover was available
for a short time in the mid 1990's. The price is 5.99GBP, hardback,
published under the Bounty imprint of Octopus Books.  This is about
one third of the 1989 price!!

I wouldn't normally inform the List that one of my books had been
republished, but over the years, this title -- I'm thrilled and
flattered to say -- has become regarded as perhaps the best one-volume
introduction to learning origami (that took some courage for an
Englishman to say!), so I think its republishing is an event worth
reporting.  I'm often asked if I hold copies to sell, but I don't.
Recently, a copy sold on Ebay for $50.00.

Unfortunately, the book is only presently available in the UK.  So, in
an attempt to make it more generally available to origami people world
wide, I've given Bounty the details of 'Bookends' who sell origami
books through the BOS Supplies.  At the moment, Bounty are unsure
whether on-line mail order suppliers *outside* the UK such as
Fascinating Folds and Kims Crane could stock it, because rights to
sell the book outside the UK have yet to be sold. (If anyone is keen
to stock it, contact me privately and I'll pass on Bounty's details to
you).

One or two copies per enquirer may be purchased from Bounty's
distributors, Exel Logistics by phoning 01933-443849, here in the UK.
They will ship to anywhere in the world. If I can obtain an email
address, I'll put it on the List.

Bounty tell me that a third of the copies printed have already been
sold ...so my advice is that if you've always hankered after a copy,
buy one while you can.  It's got to be cheaper than Ebay! :-)

Regards,

Paul Jackson
mpjackson@btinternet.com
www.origami-artist.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 09 May 2000 08:35
Subject: Re: Paper recommendations?

> I'd like to know if folks out there have found papers at
>their local art and craft supplies that have proven to be excellent for
>origami.  We all know about foil backed papers and washi from Japan, but
>are there any other hidden treasures among the paper world?

Hi, Lar. Last month the AOV (Asociacisn de Origami de Venezuela) received a
sample package of paper from a group called OPP-AB. Apparently they do
research to make better origami paper. I hear Thoki Yenn and David Brill
have tried them and they've received very good reviews, and apparently they
hold true to their claims. They send you a free sample package if you
request it online (I'm waiting for mine). It's washi-like, and it comes in
duo-color (i.e., for example, black on one side, red on the other). You
might want to give it a try. And maybe the illustrious Mr. Yenn could give
us his opinion, as I saw his name on a banner for the paper on the Origami
Sweden homepage. Give it a try!

Saludos,
JC

P.S.: You that I forgot the URL, didn't you?

http://www.origamipaper.com/

>**********
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>http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces
>
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From: Eileen Tan <eileen@TRISTAN.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Date: 09 May 2000 08:49
Subject: Re: Paper recommendations?

Hello,

  I've found that wet folding the rose using construction paper works really
well, you can shape it easily when wet, and the paper takes on a soft, fuzzy
look when it dries.  I'm guessing you can achieve the same effect with
tissue foil (glue red tissue paper on aluminium foil), but I haven't tried
it yet.
  Mostly I stick to standard origami paper when I'm folding something for
the first time, then switch to something more suitable if I want to make a
display model.  What you use depends a lot on the model, how it's folded,
and how it should look when done.  Watercolor paper when wet folded holds
well and can be shaped, with the added advantage that you can paint over it
when you're done.  It's wonderful for making 3D animals.
  Recently I got some candy foil at the local supermarket, the foil itself
is too thin to fold, but it comes with a kind of thin rice paper backing, so
glueing both of them together produces a slightly thicker piece of foil.
It's not as thick or strong as japanese foil, though.  It must be good for
folding some miniature complex models, but I haven't experimented much with
it yet.

Eileen





From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
Date: 09 May 2000 10:02
Subject: Re: Commission (Ox and Boar)

Hi Robin,
You can find ox and boar on my website
(http://www.geocities.com/Soho/Gallery/8315/index.html)  To access it , you have
to use Internet Explorer.

Happy viewing

TPKong





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 09 May 2000 12:59
Subject: Re: 'Comp S-by-S Guide' back in print!!

>My 1990 Hamlyn book 'Origami: a Complete Step-by-Step
Guide'
>(published in some editions with the word 'Course' in
place of
>'Guide') is now back in print.
>
>I wouldn't normally inform the List that one of my books
had been
>republished, but over the years, this title -- I'm thrilled and
>flattered to say -- has become regarded as perhaps the
best one-volume
>introduction to learning origami (that took some courage
for an
>Englishman to say!), so I think its republishing is an event
worth
>reporting.

As one of the people who has touted this book as "the best
one-volume introduction to learning origami" (see the
archives of the list for my numerous
recommendations...usually I said that it is the book I'd use
as a textbook if I were teaching an introductory origami
course), I must echo Paul's delight at the republication of
this book. It's wonderful!

Joseph Wu





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 09 May 2000 14:16
Subject: Re: 'Comp S-by-S Guide' back in print!!

Paul,

Thanks for the great news! :)  Our small town library has a copy of this
wonderful book and I've long wished I was able to have my own copy of it.
I don't have many good 'basic' books to loan out to nieces and nephews when
I'm trying to engage them into this artform.  I think I might risk waiting
a bit to see if a North American publisher shows up, or if one of the
Internet origami book providers gets ahold it, but it's good news
regardless :)  I hope you'll keep us apprised of it's published status  :)

Later!

Lar

**********
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http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.interlog.com/~artboy





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 17:34
Subject: Origami Presentation: Gifted and Talented

Anita Senentz,  just a few quick notes on what I have used when teaching.

I started folding seriously in fifth grade. When I was in tenth grade and
had geometry, I could look at the pictures and know the answers. I could
also tell if the pictures were diagramed wrong - it happened occasionally. I
had the advantage of knowing the answer - all that I had to do was do the
math correctly. It gave me a great advantage.

When teaching, I stress that for administrators origami, teaches hand/eye
co-ordination, spacial relationships, following direction skills,
sequencing, and problem solving. For the students, its just plain fun. The
kids understand the need to sell it to the administration on sound
educational principals but they like it because it is fun.

To paraphrase Michael Shall, "When you look at your neighbor in origami
class it is called sharing. When you look at your neighbors work in other
classes it is called cheating. In origami, sharing is encouraged; in other
classes cheating is discouraged."

Being able to read diagrams is helpful as an adult. I was visiting a friend
with a new baby the whole family had tried to assemble the high chair with
restraining devises but was unable do. After I undid everything, I was able
to assemble it in about 10 minutes. Most people could not see and relate to
the 3-D diagrams for assembly.

I just got the Tantetadains new book on Insects. My step son who has not
folded in about a year folded two models and quit. The last time that he did
this was for the Tantedains 5th convention book - again the two hardest
models and quit. I think that it gives a sense of accomplishment and
achievement. (I won't get to try anything from this book until early June. I
placed my order with Mr. Yamaguchi long ago. It is a great book. Like all of
his difficult book, it will have a limited press run so get your copy soon.)

I know of several students who have been given permission to fold in class
during instructions if they are folding from memory - no big deal.

I also like to point out the hypotenuse of the iscoslese right triangles for
adults. Half of them start laughing. I then point out to the kids, that
these are the kids who did not pay attention in class and no matter how
useless something may be - some day you may need to know it - Today was the
day that they need to remember what the hypotenuse is.

I have also noticed that kids are generally better folders than the adults.
I credit this to the kids are still checking out their frames of reference.
For example: if mom cuts a cake in half - each piece is the same size by
definition. Any kid will examine the cake, computing the arch of the cake,
thickness of the icing, number of gum drops, air bubbles, and other
variables; all of which to determine which "half" is bigger. Similarly, when
a piece of paper is folded in half the reference points are checked; do the
corners and edges match?

I hope these help.

Mark Kennedy





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 18:54
Subject: Xyron Adhesive System

Has anyone ever worked with the Xyron
adhesive/laminator system?  I have a chance to get a
machine at a greatly reduced price, but I am wondering
if it would be worth it.

I have already searched the archives,the Web, and news
sources for information on both the Xyron and the
Rollataq systems.  The Rollataq hand applicator seems
to be the way to go, but the Xyron system laminates,
has permanent adhesive, permanent but slow drying and
thus repositionable adhesive, and can also apply
post-it type adhesive to varied shaped objects.

Xyron machines are a fairly new product and I am
wondering if anyone has experience with them.

Carol Martinson

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From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 09 May 2000 18:58
Subject: Re: Origami Presentation (longish)

> Today I received some news that gives me as good a reason as any to break
> the silence.  My proposal to present a session on origami at the annual
> national convention of a professional organization in my field (education
of
> the gifted and talented) has been accepted!

Anita,

In my limited experience with academically talented kids and origami, I have
noticed a few things.  These smart kids are used to knowing the answers, and
they are used to black and white, right and wrong answers.  Origami models
that have a lot of judgement folds or require shaping to taste usually get
them uptight (the "right answer" thing).  Also, not being able to get it
just right on the first try gets them uptight (the "knowing the answers"
thing).  Once they complete a model as designed (they "know" the "right
answer"), they are likely to start modifying it (their tendency to
question), so you have to leave time at the end of teaching each model for
exploration.  Once they know a model, they like challenges related to the
model.  A good one is - if you color a part, and unfold it, where on the
paper do you think it will be?  Another one might be - can you fold it with
a partner using only one of your hands, and on of your partner's hands?

Origami is VERY GOOD for these kids, not only for teaching the spatial
reasoning and visualization that has already been mentioned, but for
teaching things like patience, practice makes perfect, and if you fail, its
only a piece of paper.  They should start with origami models that have
definte landmarks, make a few so that they are comfortable with it, then
explore some challenges.  I have found a good reward for meeting a challenge
is to give them a piece of "special" origami paper (patterned paper or the
like) to use as they see fit.

Good luck!

Janet





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 19:24
Subject: Re: Xyron Adhesive System

In a message dated 5/9/00 5:54:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
carolm47@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< Has anyone ever worked with the Xyron
 adhesive/laminator system?  I have a chance to get a
 machine at a greatly reduced price, but I am wondering
 if it would be worth it.
  >>

Xyrons are handy... I wish I had one.  I was fortunate to be able to try one
out a couple of months ago while attending the MATSURI Festival in Phoenix.

What the heck, buy two (and send ME one).

Russell
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO LAMINATE!!!!





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 09 May 2000 20:00
Subject: Re: Origami Presentation (longish)

Dear Anita and everyone :)

Last year a good friend of mine, who is an educator, as well as a folder,
gave a special seminar to a group of Montessori teachers on using origami
in the classroom.  (For those who don't know, Montessori schools are a
special system for teaching kids to learn and enjoy learning and are
generally for gifted children).

Anyhow, he chose to focus on origami and geometry and used a number of
modular folds to help demonstrate his lessons.  He had a number of folding
exercises that were designed to create crease patterns which helped
demonstrate the bisection of shapes in a very intuitive manner, as well as
those folds leading to the creation of bases and modules.  To follow up on
Mark's suggestion about origami classes being about sharing, he divided his
attendees into small groups and then had them fold individual sonobe units
which could then be brought together to form solids.

I was one of his 'test' subjects and even while going through his planned
lesson we discovered further relationships between crease patterns and
angles created by modular solids.  If you'd like me to contact him about
sharing some of his ideas, I'd be happy to do so.  He is currently teaching
a grade 2 class so I'm unsure of his schedule until the end of June, but it
sounds like you've got a long lead time on your own seminar :)

Later!

Lar

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 May 2000 22:23
Subject: insects

I swear just a little while back somebody mentioned something about
Tanteidan Insects.  Is there an Origami Tanteidan book on insect models?
If so who's selling copies?  I wonder how big OT 6 will be

David





From: Jim Alexander <jalex@MIDMAINE.COM>
Date: 09 May 2000 23:14
Subject: Re: Jay Ansill Mythical Beings

Hi,
       I remember that a while ago some people were looking for this book.I
just came up with an extra copy,which I have listed on Ebay at a reasonable
opening bid.I've also listed a copy of Flying Origami by Eiji Nakamura which
I no longer need.
                                  Best Wishes,Jim Alexander





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 10 May 2000 02:50
Subject: Re: Paper recommendations?

On Mon, 8 May 2000, Lar deSouza wrote:

> I'd like to know if folks out there have found papers at
> their local art and craft supplies that have proven to be excellent for
> origami.

There seems to be a project to suit every type of paper, the key of course
is experimentation and trial and error.

Following up on that rather vague statement, here are some "tried and
tested" types of paper from my limited experience.

Elephant Hide - seems to be popular for wet-folding, but I also know
someone who dry-folds it when folding Palmer tesselations - works very
well

Unrushi paper - good for foil-backing, also usually some interesting
Japanese tissue paper lurking on the same stand, good for lovely soft
roses.

Most parchment-type paper will wet-fold well. Watercolour paper had the
added bonus that you can decorate the finished product quite easily

> I have some wallpaper sample
> books that I'm going to start cutting squares from to experiment with

I have often heard this paper is used for boxes, and must try to obtain
some for myself.

regards
Michael





From: Steve Hecht <hecht@MAIL.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 03:42
Subject: More gallery pictures

Thanks once again Phillip Yee's assistance and patience, I've added several new
photos to my Gallery page.  Except for my two newest money folds (shamrock &
elephant), they're all tissue-foil models.

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/gallery.htm

Please let me know of any problems viewing.

--Steve Hecht





From: Albert SNG <Albert_SNG@NYP.GOV.SG>
Date: 10 May 2000 03:48
Subject: feature on Andy's work

It's me again. Thanks to Cheng Chit for taking some shots on Andy's work.
   For those who are interested, you may want to view some of his models at:

www.geocities.com/albert_sng/andylim/andy_origami.htm

Pardon me for the rush work in putting up the models in the web.  I will fine
tune it when I have the time.
Featured in this page are his phoenix, rooster, eagle (with foldable wings),
his infamous eastern dragon and snake.

Enjoy viewing!





From: Deb Claypool <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 10 May 2000 07:30
Subject: SF fans and the lone geek

(If you've heard this before, O-List, let me know. WEBTV informs me the
message was received but it was the first time I had activated my
"attach previous message" option and I didn't get the O-List message
myself as before.  Since I'm not sure how to query the O-List admin and
I needed to learn my cut and paste options anyway, this is a second
try.)

Original comment:

As someone whose worked in different kinds of clubs, I can tell you that
SF fans are the best at organizing clubs and events, though I don't know
why that is.

Dee says:

Being a Star Trek fan for quite some time, I personally think it's
because we tend to be geeks! :-D
Dee

I add:

It was the lone geeks sucking down pulp magazines PRE-Trek who started
SF conventions so they could meet others of their kind.  The friendships
continued with correspondence and correspondence clubs (pre-xerography,
fans owned their own Gestetner mimeograph machines to be able to
"publish").  It was that very history that inspired me to start FOLD.
So I would say it's passion AND practice.  Deb





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 08:37
Subject: Email address for 'Comp S by S Guide'

I'm grateful to those of you who publicly through this List and in
private to me, have expressed enthusiasm that 'Origami: a Complete
Step by Step Guide' has been republished by Bounty.

I now have an email address for those of you outside the UK who may
wish to purchase a copy:

 becky.easter@exel-media.co.uk

Contact Becky Easter at Exel -- note that Exel are the distributors,
not the publishers.  The UK list price is 5.99GBP (that's about
$9.00), but no doubt you'll have to pay shipping costs on top.

Regards,

Paul Jackson
mpjackson@btinternet.com
www.origami-artist.com





From: Charles Beittel <CBeit24275@AOL.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 10:50
Subject: Free Origami disk

Arcamax again is offering Paper Art Origami Vol.1. The disk is free, but
there is a shipping and handling charge. This is a nice introductory disk.
The URL below.

http://www.arcamax.com/freebies/ez00051ori

Charles





From: Erica Knopper <eak@FUTUREXP.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 11:15
Subject: Re: Free Origami disk

This URL is not working for me. It says it's not a valid offer, I get
the arcamax page but nothing more. Any ideas?
-Erica

>Arcamax again is offering Paper Art Origami Vol.1. The disk is free, but
>there is a shipping and handling charge. This is a nice introductory disk.
>The URL below.
>
>http://www.arcamax.com/freebies/ez00051ori
>
>Charles





From: Charles Beittel <CBeit24275@AOL.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 14:34
Subject: Arcamax URL correction

With regrets: I missed one figure in Arcamax's URL for the "free" Paper Art
Origami Vol. 1 disk. The corrected URL follows:

http://www.arcamax.com/freebies/ez000510ori

I trust this helps. They report a significant number of copies available
still, but often sell out quickly. Also, you can use the Arcamax URL:
Http://www.arcamax.com. Then hunt for the item.

Charles





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 10 May 2000 15:49
Subject: update

Hi,

something i changed a little bit on my website.

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From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 10 May 2000 17:32
Subject: Paper selection-Wallpaper

I have made extensive use of wall paper for wet-folding. When purchasing
wall paper check the contents - paper backed vinyl is fine but pure vinyl is
not. If nobody is looking, I will bend a corner to see if it holds a crease.
One advantage of wall paper is that it is cheap. I get the close out rolls
for any where from $1 to $6. The rolls are about 2 feet by 60 feet so there
is a bargain. This means that if you want to fold a herd of elephants - you
can.

When I did my 21 When Pigs Grow Wings Salute to Joseph Wu, I used a pink
vinyl wallpaper. Since the vinyl did not fold especially well, I back coated
it with Bemis Jason Fadeless Bulleting Board paper. This had the added
incentive of white wings.

I use 3 teaspoons of methylcellulose a.k.a. powdered wall paper paste in a
pint of water. You have to wait 20 minutes after mixing to use it. I
generally partially fold the model and then open it up and coat it with the
paste. Unlike Canson paper or Elephant Hide the wallpaper does not shift
much from the addition of the water. I think that the vinyl holds in in
place.  I will stuff the models with paper towels and tie them in place with
telephone wire. (when ever  there is construction at work - I pick up the
3-5 foot scraps of wire and separate out the strands for this. I will also
use the plastic coated paper clips to hold some things in place. I can rewet
the models to adjust them if need be.

I have had extensive talks with a former Board Member who had the past
responsibility for decorating the tree at the Museum of Natural History.
This persons claimed that the patterns of the wall paper distracted from the
finished models. I always thought that I selected the paper to be
appropriate for the model.  I think that the designs work well for some
birds and fish. The papers do work well for the design that I use for a
paper pouch. My wife has taught Fuse boxes with wall paper. In the case of
boxes the wet folding rounds out some of the edges which can loose some of
the crispness of her boxes. On the other hand they are more firm and stiff.

As to the Velour paper, it comes in two thickness - thin and thick. The
thick paper is good for large not overly complex models. I have used the
thin velour in 6 inch squares for the Kawasaki rose. I gave a dozen to
Lillian. I first brought them to a florist for some baby's breath and a box.
He thought I had picked out my own rose. To be fair, he was about Lillian's
age. Lillian ask Verdi to get a vase and some water.
