




From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 05 May 2000 08:51
Subject: Re: Southwest designs?

Hey, Phil. By the way, GREAT website! Nothing is cooler than joining my two
loves into one: Star Wars and origami! By the way, I could use a Darth Vader
in origami, but I just can't seem to create it yet... ;-)

As for Southwestern, I confirm whay everybody has already told you:

HOWLING COYOTE: John Montroll's latest, "Bringing Origami to Life".

ROADRUNNER: John Montroll's "North American Animals in Origami". Also has a
non-howling coyote. There's a running roadrunner in R.J. Lang's and Stephen
Weiss' "Origami Zoo".

CACTUS: There is a saguaro and a prickly pear  (?) cactus in "North American
Animals".

Enjoy!

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Schulz <fyl@USWEST.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 08:51:56 -0400
Subject: Southwest designs?

>Are there any Southwest-themed designs available online, anywhere?
>(That's Southwest US, Arizona desert, by the way...)  Ideally, a howling
>coyote, or roadrunner would be perfect, or maybe a saguaro cactus?  A
>friend at work is retiring on the 19th, and she has decorated her house
>in that theme.  People at work were very impressed with a Kawasaki rose
>I had given someone else, so now I have expectations to live up to. . .
>.
>
>I'm having some trouble in creating a couple designs myself, (despite my
>wife's firm belief that all she has to do is ask me for something, and
>magically it appears :-) ) so any help would be appreciated...
>
>TTFN,
>Phil
>--
>FyL@uswest.net
>Animal Stories and Star Wars Origami at:
>http://fyl.xymox.net/





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 05 May 2000 10:23
Subject: Re: Denver folders

> Where do you have your meetings?

At the Aurora Public Library, in one of their meeting rooms.

> Do you try to meet on a regular basis?  When?

Once a month. I always tell people in advance when the next meeting is
going to be since we have to flip between the first and second Sundays.

> One thing that I suggest is a regular mailing to the people you know in the
     Denver area.

I have tried that. It cost me more money than it was worth. Now I send
out my newsletter to people who pay dues. I send out an "enhanced"
newsletter to people that sign up to receive a free on after we do an
event. This newsletter contains a calendar for the entire year's
meetings, my phone number, the address of the library and a personalized
note to the person -- mostly a welcome and a map, and other information
about the group.

> Also, don't be afraid to call.

I'm sorry. I would hate to be called, so I don't do it.

> Business cards can be made cheaply. Anyway, they went to
> the bookstores and libraries and put them into the origami books.  I guess
     this was a real success for them.

Nice idea. Worth a try perhaps, although I just generally don't like
putting my phone number out to anyone and everyone. It is different if
they are signing up for a free newsletter, and I would prefer to have an
anonymous phone with a voice message, but neither I nor the club can
afford it.

We decided as a group that we would not be in the business of making
money, so I charge a minimum fee to cover postage and copying charges.
We only have about 30 to 40 dollars in the "bank" at one time.

> Also it doesn't hurt to put some origami models on display in some of the
     bookstores, with notices of your meetings.

Done it.

> The different affiliate leaders talk and we trade information on what
> works.  We are more than willing to help out others.

I know -- I wrote the Handbook, and was in on the discussions from the
beginning, so I am not exactly a novice at this.

One thing you might onsider is that some people are more aggressive than
others. I don't happen to be an aggressive person. I would not like
someone "pestering" me to join a club I may have shown some interest in
at an event. I equate that with telemarketing. I don't like it, I won't
do it. If they want to join, they will, if not they won't.

Thanks though.

Dee





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 05 May 2000 11:44
Subject: Re: Request

I want to apologize for my little typo on my message. Of course I meant
Yoshizawa. I don't know what I was thinking. And true, today is Children's
Day in Japan. Take the chance to make something special for the little ones.

Take care.

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
To: Juan Carlo Rodrmguez <tciprograming@telcel.net.ve>
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:44:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Request

>>Akira Kurosawa (IS HE STILL ALIVE?)
>
>Hmmm, an appropriate topic for today, Children's Day in Japan (May 5).
>
>Kurosawa, the film director known for his samurai characters, died about
>a year ago. The traditional samurai helmet is, as I understand it, folded
>on Children's day as a symbol of strength, etc., for boys.
>
>Akira Yoshizawa is still alive.
>
>-Jane





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 12:27
Subject: Re: Request

Hi Juan!

Welcome to the list!  Akira Yoshizawa just celebrated his 88th birthday.

Good luck with your project.  I have also felt that there is a virtual
embarassment of riches of unpublished talent in our origami community.

Dorothy





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 05 May 2000 12:38
Subject: Re: Request

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, Dorothy. And the welcome. I've
been here only a week, but I feel right at home.

Can you think of anyone else I can include in this project. I did remember
somebody I had to include: Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon. Although I'd wish he'd
start using PDF files instead of GIF, but his site is getting better every
day! And he does have amazing talent, not to mention the fact that he's so
delightfully English!

Dr. O'Hanlon, I hope you read my message. I really wish you will give the
requested info.

Saludos!
JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:38:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Request

Hi Juan!

Welcome to the list!  Akira Yoshizawa just celebrated his 88th birthday.

Good luck with your project.  I have also felt that there is a virtual
embarassment of riches of unpublished talent in our origami community.

Dorothy





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 05 May 2000 13:28
Subject: Re: Origami despair?

>Julia Palffy wrote:
>>

>> I'm curious: what is it that drives you most desperate or crazy while
>> folding origami?

Folding one of MY OWN models, and getting stuck when I don't remember how I
made it.....

>:-(

Roberto





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 05 May 2000 13:49
Subject: Commission

I have just been asked to do a commission for a design company. This is the
first time I have been asked to do something 'commercial'. They want a model
for each of the animals representing the months of the Chinese calendar;
rat, ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, rooster, dog,
boar.

The models are to be photographed rather than displayed, so I could use Paul
Jacksons technique of assembling different pieces to give the appearance of
an origami model. I guess I will end up doing a bit of that given that the
project is to be done within 2 weeks. The other option is to use designs by
other folders. What is the protocol for doing this? I probably won't get
much money from this and I doubt if I will be given credit in the finished
work, so would it be fair to fold designs straight out of books? Should I
ask permission first? (how do I contact John Montroll?). Can I fold from
diagrams from web sites? ( i.e. Joseph Wu's splendid dragon)

Can anyone help me with suggestions, or volunteer their models?

rat - I should be able to design one.
ox - Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
tiger - Who's model is best?
rabbit - Quite a few models around to choose from
dragon - I'd like to use Joseph Wu's
snake - I should be able to design one
horse - I'd like to use Dave Brill's
sheep - Need to think about that one
monkey - I've already done one
rooster - John Montroll's
dog - Plenty to choose from (and not too hard to design) though my fave is
Yoshizawa's
boar -- Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'

Robin Glynn.
robin@rglynn.keme.co.uk

I hope this doesn't inspire me to design a 'can of worms' model.





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:06
Subject: The Magic Puzzle Box

Once upon a time a young maid walked into a game store and started
looking at all the wonderful
items.  As she looked around her eyes fell upon a flashy looking
geometric object.   She started playing
around with the strange device and really couldn't figure it out.  So
she walked over to the man behind
the counter and asked him, "Excuse me sir, but could you tell me what
this is?"

"That my find lady is a puzzle box!"

"Oh." she reply disappointed.  Because she already owned several puzzle
boxes and was starting to get
bored with them.

"But," the man added, "It's no ordinary puzzle box.  If you push the
panels in the right configurations it
will display lifelike animals, dancing clowns, and magic objects."

"Wow!" she exclaimed.  But then she noticed the prize on the box, and it
was quite a bit more than she
was planning to spend.  "I don't know..."

"And if you solve the higher puzzles you will receive everlasting beauty
and you will never grow old.
And if you solve the ultimate puzzle you will bring about an end to all
diseases and usher in an era of
world peace."

"all right!" she thought.  For she considered herself really good at
puzzles and she was sure she could
solve the ultimate puzzle.  "Ok, you made yourself a sale!  I'll take
it."

When she got home she took out the puzzle box and started playing with
it.  After a short time she
discovered a combination that transformed the box into a simple dog.
"Not bad." she thought, "But I
can do better." After several hours she came up with many different
animals.  She was a bit
disappointed because she felt she could do better.  So she decided to
give it a rest and get some sleep.

As the days went by she found herself getting better and better at the
wonderful puzzle box.  Her
animals became more and more lifelike.  One time she made a lion that
seemed to roar as it hungrily
looked for prey.   Another time she created a fantastic dragon sparkling
like jewels and brimming with
fire and smoke.  She became quite optimistic and thought, "World peace,
here we come!"

After several months she realized that she could create just about
anything she wanted.  And it wasn't
just animals.  Fully rigged ships, castles, ballerinas, she seemed to be
limited only by her imagination.
She never seemed to be anywhere near her ultimate goal.  But doggedly
she trudged on singled minded
in her desire.

Ultimately, it dawned on her.  "I am never going to attain the top
solutions by myself.  But world peace
and happiness are more important than just one person."   So she went to
all her friends and talked
them into buying puzzle boxes.  They would get together and show each
other new combinations they
discovered.   She looked forward to these gathering, because each time
someone always came up with
something new and exciting.

As time went on more and more people got into the puzzle boxes.  They
started putting on conventions
where people got together and learned about "Puzzle Boxery."  Some of
the teachers stressed an artful
approach where form and balance was stressed in manipulating the puzzle
box.   Others took a more
logistic approach and taught many complex algorithms for achieving what
you want with your puzzle
box..

For a long time the conventions were great fun.  And the ultimate prize
of eternal youth and world
peace made the conventions just that more satisfying.   But as time went
on people noticed no one was
getting any younger, and the world was still a dangerous place to live
in.   The mood became less and
less jovial at the conventions.   Each one would blame the others for
not achieving the ultimate
combination.  On group noticed that the leaders in the whole big club
were stressing clustering the
panels in one area of the box.

 "You'll never achieve the prize this way!   The parts are to restricted
and strained.  And the world will
blow up from the pressure."

"You idiots!"  The others shouted, "If you pull the panels too far apart
the links will become too loose
and your whole box will fall apart.  And you will die old and ugly!"

The whole thing degenerated into one big fight.  Everyone was shouting
at the top of their lungs and
throwing things.  Even puzzle boxes.   Finally, everyone worked
themselves into exhaustion, and they all
sat in their chairs glowering at each other.   The silence was broken by
a small voice in one corner.

"Helen," Oh, I forgot to tell you, that's the name of the girl who
started this whole thing. "How do you
know these puzzle boxes will bring all these wonderful things anyway!"

Helen looked perplexed for awhile, but finally her memory returned, she
brightened up and said, "The man in the game store told me so."

In unison the entire hall shouted, "What?!?!?!?"

So everyone in the building got up walked down the stairs and marched
over to the game store and
confronted the owner to find out what was going on.   For several
minutes the man stood there behind
the counter sweating and shaking.  Finally, his shoulders slumped and he
looked down at the ground
ashamed of himself.

"I have a confession to make.  I overstocked my store with puzzle boxes,
and they just weren't selling .
So I lied to try and move my stock."

Now, I'm telling you, they crowd would have probably killed the man
right there and then, if not for the
fact that they were all exhausted from arguing with each other, and
marching clear across town.   So,
they just stood there stunned.   Finally one guy got bored and took out
a piece of paper and started
folding it.  He made this simple looking bird.  But when you pulled its
tail the wings would flap.
Some one shouted, "Hey that's cool, how did you do that."

"Come with me and I'll show you."

So they all followed him out the door, throwing their boxes over their
shoulders, shouting, "We don't
need no stupid puzzle boxes!"  And the store was left with a bunch of
broken plastic pieces lying on the
floor.

Ok, they didn't all throw away their puzzle boxes.  Many of them kept
them and they still get together
and play with them.  After all, they really were pretty great puzzle
boxes.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:20
Subject: Re: Commission

>I have just been asked to do a commission for a design
>company. This is the first time I have been asked to do
>something 'commercial'.
>
>The other option is to use designs by
>other folders. What is the protocol for doing this? I
>probably won't get much money from this and I doubt if I
>will be given credit in the finished work, so would it be fair
>to fold designs straight out of books? Should I
>ask permission first?

This has been beaten to death on this list, so the standard
"check the archives" reply applies. But, briefly, you can use
whatever you want, legally, but ethically, you should ask.
Some people might say no, and others might ask for a
royalty.

>(how do I contact John Montroll?). Can I fold from
>diagrams from web sites? ( i.e. Joseph Wu's splendid
>dragon)

See above. As for my dragon, go for it. No charge. 8)





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:20
Subject: Origami sighting

Just received my BAT Magazine from Bat Conservation International.  It has
a  very nice article about Michael LaFosse with pictures of his very
realistic bat, a framed set of Happy Go Lucky Bats which he apparently has
given to BCI (he's a member), and Michael himself with a large penguin.

Martha Winslow-Cole





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:24
Subject: Re: Commission

Robin Glynn, seeking suggestions:

>ox - Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'

Kawahata has a nice one in ISBN 4-900747-11-4 Wild Animals of the World
At least I think it's an ox... it's in Japanese

He also has a musk ox in Montroll's North American Animals, and a simpler
musk ox in the book cited above

>boar -- Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'

Issei Yoshino has a nice one in Super Complex Origami... but it will take
two weeks just to precrease it.
There is a nice boar with tusks in Montroll's Chinese Zodiac book, of
course.

Good luck with your project!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:29
Subject: Re: Request

OK, I've received no less than ten e-mails teasing me for the Kurosawa
messup. I deserve it, I know! And I've kept every one of them, maybe it'll
help my shrink help me... ;-)

Nah, just kidding. Thanks for at least reading what I send. ANd don't worry,
I intend to get back to all of you! :-)

Saludos,
JC

-----Original Message-----

>Juan Carlo,
>At 16.49 3/5/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Listen, I have a little pet project I've been meaning to make for quite
>>a while now. I mean, we've all heard of John Montroll, Robert J. Lang,
>>Akira Kurosawa (IS HE STILL ALIVE?)
>
>Hmmmmm. Intriguing question. If you really mean Akira KUROSAWA, the Movie
>Director, I seem to remember that he died some months (years ?) ago. If
>however you mean Akira YOSHIZAWA, the Paper Folder, he is well alive and
>healthy, having just celebrated his 88th with a huge exhibition in
Kyoto.....
>
>Sorry for the joke ! ;-)
>
>Roberto





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 05 May 2000 14:31
Subject: Re: Commission

Hello, Robin. The animals of the Chinese Zodiac is a passion for me -- John
Montroll's book on the subject is extremely cool. Perhaps I can be of
assistance.

The NOA dedicates the January issue of each year to the zodiac sign it
represents, so if you know anyone that has a sizeable collection of NOA back
copies, you might get lucky. I've found those issues through my association
here in Venezuela, and I've got quite a few beautiful models. I'm a Boar in
the Chinese zodiac, so I make it a habit of tracking down origami wild boars
any time I can. The NOA has some boars ranging from cute to spectacular to
dollar-bill ones. Montroll's book has, of course, a pretty nice-looking
boar. I think there is a spectacular wild boar in Yoshino Issei's SUPER
COMPLEX ORIGAMI (there's a picture of it in ORIGAMIDO). And -- this makes me
proud -- a wild boar is the first model I designed on my own. I remember
doing it from a blintz bird base, so maybe you can design one from there,
too.

I found diagrams to a sheep (more of a ram) by Andy Carpenter on Alex
Barber's site. And besides the one in Montroll's book and the ones I found
on the NOA magazine, I don't quite remember... There is (or was) a cow by
Peter Paul Forcher on Clemens Domanig's site (I owe you the link, but it's
on Joseph Wu's site, in the Links section, under Europe, first one there),
but other than that...

>I have just been asked to do a commission for a design company. This is the
>first time I have been asked to do something 'commercial'. They want a
model
>for each of the animals representing the months of the Chinese calendar;
>rat, ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, rooster, dog,
>boar.
>
>The models are to be photographed rather than displayed, so I could use
Paul
>Jacksons technique of assembling different pieces to give the appearance of
>an origami model. I guess I will end up doing a bit of that given that the
>project is to be done within 2 weeks. The other option is to use designs by
>other folders. What is the protocol for doing this? I probably won't get
>much money from this and I doubt if I will be given credit in the finished
>work, so would it be fair to fold designs straight out of books? Should I
>ask permission first? (how do I contact John Montroll?). Can I fold from
>diagrams from web sites? ( i.e. Joseph Wu's splendid dragon)
>
>Can anyone help me with suggestions, or volunteer their models?
>
>rat - I should be able to design one.
>ox - Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
>tiger - Who's model is best?
>rabbit - Quite a few models around to choose from
>dragon - I'd like to use Joseph Wu's
>snake - I should be able to design one
>horse - I'd like to use Dave Brill's
>sheep - Need to think about that one
>monkey - I've already done one
>rooster - John Montroll's
>dog - Plenty to choose from (and not too hard to design) though my fave is
>Yoshizawa's
>boar -- Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
>
>Robin Glynn.
>robin@rglynn.keme.co.uk
>
>I hope this doesn't inspire me to design a 'can of worms' model.





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 05 May 2000 15:16
Subject: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Does anyone out there own this book or have taken a good look at it?  I
would like to now what is in it and how interesting & worthwhile this would
be for an advanced folder.

--Neil





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 05 May 2000 15:16
Subject: Los Angeles area folders

Are there any other Los Angeles area folders on this list?

--Neil





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 05 May 2000 15:22
Subject: Re: Commission

When I first got Montroll's "Chinese Zodiac and Mythological creatures", I
was disappointed that there weren't any photographs of the finished models,
the diagrams seemed sort of cold and lifeless, and I was afraid they'd end
up as boxy as the animals in "Origami for the Enthusiast".
Then one day I folded the rat out of washi that was just the right colour
and texture - and then the whole Zodiac in a row over the week-end, and just
loved them. There are also some lovely models in Akira Yoshizawa's last
book - I bought it for just one model in particular - the most beautiful
origami ox I've ever seen!

I believe you'd have to ask for permission to use their models (if you took
that option) and mention the creators in the credits. Or come up with your
own Chinese Zodiac models... I think it would be a pity to "assemble"... but
then business is business and time is money ... so it's up to you to decide,
really...

Best wishes,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Donna &
> Robin
> Sent: vendredi, 5. mai 2000 19:50
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Commission
>
>
> I have just been asked to do a commission for a design company.
> This is the
> first time I have been asked to do something 'commercial'. They
> want a model
> for each of the animals representing the months of the Chinese calendar;
> rat, ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, rooster, dog,
> boar.
>
> The models are to be photographed rather than displayed, so I
> could use Paul
> Jacksons technique of assembling different pieces to give the
> appearance of
> an origami model. I guess I will end up doing a bit of that given that the
> project is to be done within 2 weeks. The other option is to use
> designs by
> other folders. What is the protocol for doing this? I probably won't get
> much money from this and I doubt if I will be given credit in the finished
> work, so would it be fair to fold designs straight out of books? Should I
> ask permission first? (how do I contact John Montroll?). Can I fold from
> diagrams from web sites? ( i.e. Joseph Wu's splendid dragon)
>
> Can anyone help me with suggestions, or volunteer their models?
>
> rat - I should be able to design one.
> ox - Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
> tiger - Who's model is best?
> rabbit - Quite a few models around to choose from
> dragon - I'd like to use Joseph Wu's
> snake - I should be able to design one
> horse - I'd like to use Dave Brill's
> sheep - Need to think about that one
> monkey - I've already done one
> rooster - John Montroll's
> dog - Plenty to choose from (and not too hard to design) though my fave is
> Yoshizawa's
> boar -- Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
>
> Robin Glynn.
> robin@rglynn.keme.co.uk
>
> I hope this doesn't inspire me to design a 'can of worms' model.





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 05 May 2000 16:40
Subject: Denver Group and Zodiac Calendar

Lionel Albertino's African Safari has a great boar in it. It wet folds well
and would be a very impressive model.

deg farrally has a great art deco style howling coyote complete with bandana
from a quarter sheet. I have a 12 inch model on top of my cube complete with
red velour bandana. It has been there for a couple of years. deg said that
he wanted to teach it at convention and it was taught a PCOC if I am not
mistaken.

As to the suggestions for running a regional group, the ideas and then some
were all covered in the regional group hand book. The hand book was
initiated by the late Paul Krueger who organized with OUSA support and
finance a series of publications on about 10 topics to be submitted every
two months over a two year period. These articles were very useful for the
initial regional groups in sharing information on forming, running and
problems with regional groups.

Dee, I am surprised that you did not mention that you under took the task of
taking this raw data and synthesis it down to one book with ideas for
regional groups. The handbook is available for all regional groups and OUSA
members seeking to form a group. The threshold for what constitutes a
regional group was deliberately kept low because reaching critical mass is
difficult in some of the more rural areas. If the NYC-centric focus was
maintain, the minimum would be 20/25 not the current five. We on the board
at the time the policy was first instituted considered five a workable
number.

I am surprised that the meetings at the Museum are not better attended.
Generally, there are 20 to 25 folders. Nearly half of the members of OUSA
are within 2 hours of the museum. It takes me two hours from Allentown, PA
and by train it can take someone from Brooklyn or Queens about as long.
While many people like to fold, most are not into joining and attending
groups.
One of the things that I enjoy about the Sundays is that members from
various regional groups (some sanction and other not) get together and share
what was taught in their groups. We get sort of the best of the last months
regional groups. Periodically we get out of town guest who attend which is
always pleasant.

There is always the difficulty of two level of folders at the group -
beginners vs intermediate/advanced. Since I am in charge of the meetings, I
generally take care of providing the classes for the beginner end of the
spectrum. My wife attend the intermediate and advanced end so I don't miss
out on learning the folds. I must also admit that I will try to schedule the
business committee meetings for the same day as the Folding Sundays to avoid
two trips. This also means that on those Sundays, I leave the house earlier
than I do for work to make the meetings on time.

Before you start saying that you know how to get an effective group going -
you should be familiar with the research already done on the matter.

Mark Kennedy





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 05 May 2000 16:55
Subject: Re: wow!! neat dragons!!!

> "Hey, neat dragon, Dan - " but why doesn't it have a longer
> neck, and why doesn't it have claws? 8)
>
clearly you have mistakenly assumed that i was attempting to fold the
Chinese Long-Necked Four-Toed Dragon, whereas i planned and successfully
designed in great detail the Ancient Two-Horned Three-Spiked Open-Backed
Dragon with Footsies, seen mainly on the roofs of southern chinese
countryside temples in the late 1300's.  remember, when you make an
ASSUMPTION, you are making an ASS out of U and MPTION.

-Dr. Daniel J. Gries





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 05 May 2000 17:19
Subject: Re: Professor Engel, I presume...

At 08:25 AM 5/4/00 -0400, Juan Carlo Rodrguez wrote:
>Hi, Marc, thanks for answering back. What model was that? And do you know
>if he can still be contacted?

If I recall correctly, it was a Maple Leaf. This was in an old issue of
OrigamiUSA's The Paper, so it might be hard to find.

I am not sure if he is still a member of OrigamiUSA or not. You can ask
OrigamiUSA, and if he is, they can forward any correspondence you have to him.

>By the way, how's YOUR book going?

It is done and in production (I got the proof back a few weeks ago). The
tentative delivery date is May 22. Marc





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 05 May 2000 18:37
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

>>From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
>>Subject:      Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

It's actually Brazilian (written in Portuguese of course :) ).
>>Does anyone out there own this book or have taken a good look at it?  I
>>would like to now what is in it and how interesting & worthwhile this would
>>be for an advanced folder.

It's a big-format (about A4, nearly 250 pages) collection of models
by several authors, nearly half of them Japanese.
Most models are above intermediate level; none's ultracomplex.
Some well-known models: Engel's giraffe and begonia leaf, Kasahara's
Buddha + lotus, Kawahata's panda [ORU 1, not Wild Animals] and seahorse,
Brill's elephant. I can get a full listing after the weekend.

Nick Robinson has a few models included, so I suppose he also owns
the book and can give his opinion.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti
>>
>>--Neil





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 19:06
Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

> Dear Scott,
>
> Your request for a kayak got me to fiddling and I devised a kayak as a
dollar
> bill fold. I'm currently diagramming it. E-mail me if you're interested.
>
> Happy folding, Tom May
>

Hello tom,

I would be interested in your diagrams when you are done :-)

I have some $ diagrams in trade if you are interested.
$ butterfly, $ Viking Helmet, $ Rotating Tetrahedron and
$ Change Of Heart variation (Stand in back).

I am allways looking for new $ folds.

Thanks in advance,

Joe   PapaJoe@chorus.net

Ps I can send pictures of the $ folds I mentioned if you want.





From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=f6ran_Gutberlet?= <gutberlet@ltt.de>
Date: 05 May 2000 19:14
Subject: Object World 2000 Conference =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=ad_Frankfurt,_June_27-30?=

Dear Dr. van Gelder,

As a past LogOn conference attendee, we have a special offer for you:

A 10% alumni discount to attend the Object World conference in Frankfurt
on June 27-30.

The full conference program is available at:
http://www.objectworld.de/

To take advantage of this offer, simply register on line marking the
Alumni box at
http://www.objectworld.de/register_00.html

See you in Frankfurt.

Sincerely,

Goeran Gutberlet
Show Director, Object World Frankfurt





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 19:30
Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

Sorry that last post was ment for Tom.





From: Bob Nienhuis <nienhuis@WGN.NET>
Date: 05 May 2000 21:12
Subject: Re: Los Angeles area folders

At 12:15 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Are there any other Los Angeles area folders on this list?
>
>--Neil

Several, including me.

Bob
E-mail: nienhuis@wgn.net
origami page: http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





From: Rebecca Holt <becky10@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 00:29
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Hi Neil,
I haven't heard of the book but I am curious about it if you learn anything.
     Where did you see it or hear about it?
Becky
Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:
> Does anyone out there own this book or have taken a good look at it?  I
would like to now what is in it and how interesting & worthwhile this would
be for an advanced folder.

--Neil





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 00:47
Subject: Re: Southwest designs?

Hi Phil!

For a howling coyote, check out Russell Sutherland's coyote puppet:

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/5668/coyote.html

Dorothy





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 01:41
Subject: Re: Origami despair?

> >> I'm curious: what is it that drives you most desperate or crazy while
> >> folding origami?
>
> Folding one of MY OWN models, and getting stuck when I don't remember how I
> made it.....
>
>OH OUCH!!! I think that has me beat! :-D

Dee





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 02:46
Subject: Re: Portuguese book: A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami

Neil and Others,

I own A Arte Dos Mestres De Origami and I think it is a really great book.
     There are 77 models diagrammed on 321 pages.  Most of the models are
     geared toward the intermediate folder.

The list of creators represented is quite impressive:  Van Goubergen, Ochi, Ow,
     Alacios, Engel, Lang, Budai, Brill, Robinson, Giunta, Leonardi, Ikeda,
     Yoshizawa, Kawahata, Asahi, Maekawa, Endo, Kobayashi, Kiamura, Miura,
     Kasahara, Yamaguchi, Horiguchi, No
Models included are {since I don't read Portuguese I may not list them all
     absolutely correctly}: bowtie with collar, butterfly, Buddha with lotus
     base, dog/puppy, 2 more dogs of which one is a pointer, box/container,
     4-piece truck, book cover, carneiro =
both ways}, mouth with teeth, photo holder, turtle, tortoise, turbanned head,
     violet plant, violin.

I apologize for the difficulty in reading the lists.

As to whether an advanced folder would be interested in this book, I would say
     the variety of models would warrant it.  While some models are simpler,
     others veer toward complex.  If you are looking for difficulty along the
     lines of some of those 150+ ste

Carol Martinson





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 06 May 2000 05:39
Subject: Kayak

Don't ever make origami Kayaks & leave them near a fire - you can't have
your Kayak and heat it....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 06 May 2000 06:22
Subject: Re: Commission

Robin , here's the URL for Clemens Domanig's page (remeber, where the cow
may or may not be). It's in German, but the third link takes you to the
diagrams. They're ZIP files in TIFF format, and even if the cow isn't there,
the models are quite worth it.

http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/csaa/csaa009/origami/origami.html

Enjoy!
JC

P.S.: "Cow" is "KUH" in German.

-----Original Message-----
From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 06:22:32 -0400
Subject: Commission

>I have just been asked to do a commission for a design company. This is the
>first time I have been asked to do something 'commercial'. They want a
model
>for each of the animals representing the months of the Chinese calendar;
>rat, ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, rooster, dog,
>boar.
>
>The models are to be photographed rather than displayed, so I could use
Paul
>Jacksons technique of assembling different pieces to give the appearance of
>an origami model. I guess I will end up doing a bit of that given that the
>project is to be done within 2 weeks. The other option is to use designs by
>other folders. What is the protocol for doing this? I probably won't get
>much money from this and I doubt if I will be given credit in the finished
>work, so would it be fair to fold designs straight out of books? Should I
>ask permission first? (how do I contact John Montroll?). Can I fold from
>diagrams from web sites? ( i.e. Joseph Wu's splendid dragon)
>
>Can anyone help me with suggestions, or volunteer their models?
>
>rat - I should be able to design one.
>ox - Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
>tiger - Who's model is best?
>rabbit - Quite a few models around to choose from
>dragon - I'd like to use Joseph Wu's
>snake - I should be able to design one
>horse - I'd like to use Dave Brill's
>sheep - Need to think about that one
>monkey - I've already done one
>rooster - John Montroll's
>dog - Plenty to choose from (and not too hard to design) though my fave is
>Yoshizawa's
>boar -- Never seen a model of one, probably have to 'fake it'
>
>Robin Glynn.
>robin@rglynn.keme.co.uk
>
>I hope this doesn't inspire me to design a 'can of worms' model.





From: Tina <tinan@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 06 May 2000 08:06
Subject: AW: Commission

Robin and Juan Carlo and everyone else,

   I didn't see a cow on Clemens Domanig's page. There's
- holy ghost
- parrot
- 3 different foxes
- rhino
- pig
- lion
- flying birds
- little mouse

   I haven't had a chance to look at the diagrams, though.

   HTH, Tina

> http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/csaa/csaa009/origami/origami.html
>
> Enjoy!
> JC





From: Deb Claypool <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 08:37
Subject: The "curious" thread

What is it that drives me (Deb Claypool) the most desperate or crazy
while folding origami?

Let me quote an ancient nursery rhyme/riddle to set the stage:

While I was going to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives.  Each wife
had seven sacks.  Each sack had seven cats.  Each cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives - how many were going to St Ives?

My origami books and issues of Fold have been in the attic for 3 years.
I only fold on the "open road" and the audience attention span can't
exhaust my repertoire.  Now, I'm back hobnobbing with your merry wagon
train.  Still it is only I going to St Ives.

And yet, well met again merry band.  Guess I'm destined to go scrounging
in the attic.





From: Deb Claypool <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 09:22
Subject: Post script to "curious" thread

Do I think origami is a panacea for peace of mind?

No.  But I think the journey of 1000 cranes is!





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 11:27
Subject: Re: Kayak

Oh Nick ---

That was awful!!!

:-D

Dee

Nick Robinson wrote:
>
> Don't ever make origami Kayaks & leave them near a fire - you can't have
> your Kayak and heat it....
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 06 May 2000 12:03
Subject: Re: Origami Bats sighting

A correction to my previous posting about the article about Michael LaFosse in
BAT Magazine - Michael calls the bats HAPPY, GOOD-LUCK BATS (not Happy Go
Lucky Bats).  This is an important distinction because the five red bats in
the framed set represent good luck in Chinese tradition.

Martha Winslow-Cole wrote:

> Just received my BAT Magazine from Bat Conservation International.  It has
> a  very nice article about Michael LaFosse with pictures of his very
> realistic bat, a framed set of Happy Go Lucky Bats which he apparently has
> given to BCI (he's a member), and Michael himself with a large penguin.
>
> Martha Winslow-Cole





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 12:13
Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

To anyone else interested,

I've posted the $bill kayak diagrams to my web site:
http://members.aol.com/maytom431/

I was surprised by the size of the response. I hope I'm not exiled to the
arctic circle when people actually see the thing.

Happy folding, Tom May





From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: 06 May 2000 14:47
Subject: Re: WHO CARES!

>Date:    Wed, 3 May 2000 00:19:45 -0700
>From:    Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
>Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re:  Election Snafu?  WHO CARES!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
>Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re: Election Snafu? WHO CARES!!
>
>
>>
>> OUSA should back off from its claim to be a "national" organization --
>> it hasn't worked, and it's not gonna work unless the organization
>changes
>> signficantly in ways that many people who have watched it grow over
the
>> years don't want. It should reaffirm that its mission is (in Bernice's
>words)
>> "to preserve [I would add "and expand"] Lillian Oppenheimer's
>collection
>of
>> books [I would add ", diagrams, and models"] and her zeal in her love
>and
>> sharing of origami".
>
>I know it's been argued that this is an OUSA and not an O-list issue,
but
>that's like talking about jazz sax, but leaving Bird for the Charlie
>Parker
>list. You can't seperate the two. OUSA is like the MOMA of origami. You
>should be able to hit the page, etc... but to make it something beyond
>the
>archive and local (albeit large local) group that it is is to ask it to
>essentially govern a realm that is, at best, disorganized. Let them
>organize
>where they can, advise and supply where they are able, and get on with
>folding around New York. It's really up to whatever communities of
>folders
>may develop to sustain themselves based upon their individuals' level of
>commitment. Perhaps the concept of a global resource for information is
>in
>order, as even should OUSA live up to the "USA" misnomer part of their
>acronym, that still leaves international organization untended to, and
>from
>the looks of this list, something international would be in order. Blah,
>blah, blah... I tend to drone on around bed-time...All the best - c!!!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>With clear melting dew,
>I'd try to wash away the dust
>of this floating world
>                      -Basho
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>email: ella-mae@msn.com

Who cares?I care.

Maybe the complaints are correct, there is something wrong with OUSA.

Consider this:

For several years I heard complaints from OUSA members that the NY
members get their convention notification earlier than those of us out
west.  If your cinvention number is made by when the forms are sent in
this makes a difference.  Having raised this question, I received
numerous denials and explanations from New York and from people on this
List.

OK, I joined OUSA this year.  Looking forward to my first trip east to
attend the NY convention in June.  So, when do I receive my registration
packet?  Not like everyone else, I get mine a week later than everyone
else appears to have received theirs (April 27).

Somehow, this does not instill that feeling that everything is as it
should be, or as OUSA says it is.  I believe that we all should be
concerned, and demand that the national organization be fair to all
members.

Of course, being "directionally challenged" I do see things from a
different perspective.
