




From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 02 May 2000 09:25
Subject: Two books

These are two alert I got it from Amazon today. Is Griffin Trade the same
as St. Martin's Press ? Hope this time
They would come out in time.

Sy Chen

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Origami to Astonish and Amuse
by Jeremy Shafer
Publication date: May 2000
Publisher: Griffin Trade Paperback
Binding:Paperback
Subjects: Crafts/Hobbies; Crafts & Hobbies; Origami
Click here for more information

Our Price: $19.95

Dollar Bill Animals in Origami
by John Montroll
Publication date: June 2000
Publisher: Dover Pubns
Binding:Paperback
Subjects: Origami; Dollar, American; Animals in art
Click here for more information

Our Price: $10.95





From: Mike Wareman <mwareman@ADMIN.OLDSCOLLEGE.AB.CA>
Date: 02 May 2000 10:15
Subject: pegasus

Hello Fellowfolders:

I am stuck on step 113 & 114 of the Pegasus model in Origami Fantasy.  Does
     anyone know what is requested?

Mike,

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Michael G. Wareman
Olds College, AV Services
phone (403) 556-4605
FAX    (403) 556-4705
mwareman@admin.oldscollege.ab.ca
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/4062





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 10:40
Subject: Re: pegasus

Mike asked:

>I am stuck on step 113 & 114 of the Pegasus model in Origami Fantasy.  Does
>anyone know what is requested?

    113 wants you to bring a layer around to the outside, or as they say in
show biz, "It's a wrap!"

    I have a note to myself on 114 that says 'spread-sink middle layer'. It
has been a long time since I folded this model... I hope this helps.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 11:31
Subject: Re: tiger

Yes, please! How does one get those issues???
-----Original Message-----
From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:31:30 -0400
Subject: Re: tiger

>Ok -- next question -- how does one get Tanteidan issues 44, 45, 46?
>
>Neil Eisman wrote:
>>
>> Juan Carlo Rodrmguez asked:
>> > Does ANYONE know where to find diagrams for Hideo Kotatsu's (I think
that's
>> > the name) striped tiger?
>>
>> This was published in Tanteidan Issues 44, 45, 46
>>
>> -- Neil





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 11:35
Subject: Re: interesting tidbits

My advice is to check out the Origami World Records in Joseph Wu's page.
There are a couple of cute things there, like a 33-foot-wingspan crane, a
cat's face folded from over 10,000 modules, and the fact that Akira
Yoshizawa holds the record of the most origami models created -- 50,000.

Speaking of the Master, is he still alive?

-----Original Message-----
From: I-Jeih Chang <ijeihchang@YAHOO.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:35:40 -0400
Subject: interesting tidbits

>Hi,
>
>I'm doing a project for literature class on origami and I need to
>know some interesting "tidbits" or "facts" to liven up the project.
>Can anyone think of anything?  Thanks in advance for the help.
>
>I-Jeih Chang
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.
>http://im.yahoo.com/





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 11:35
Subject: Re: tiger

Good to know not all hope is lost... :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:35:43 -0400
Subject: Re: tiger

>> Ok -- next question -- how does one get Tanteidan issues 44, 45, 46?
>
>Pray to whichever gods you believe in... and perhaps a few you don't just
in
>case :) )
>
>Dave





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 11:46
Subject: Re: Masters Exhibit

Erralee, I admired your father's work from the minute I began to open the
homepage. I never met him nor had any contact with him, but I'm sure I share
every other folder's feelings that made one of his models that he will be
missed. I support the idea that he be included in that list.

Sincerely,
Juan Carlo Rodriguez

-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:46:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Masters Exhibit

>"Katherine J. Meyer" wrote:
>>
>> Here is the list of "Origami Masters"
>>
>> Established Designers:
>> Joan Appel, Bennett Arnstein, Ted Bond, Rae Cooker, Louise Cooper,
Patricia
>> Crawford, Neal Elias, Peter Engel, Don Hickmott, Alice Gray, Molly Kahn,
>> Rachel Katz, Kenneth Kawamura, Marc Kirschenbaum, Laura Kruskal, Michael
>> LaFosse, Robert Lang, Herman Lau, John Montroll, Robert Neale, John
>> Nordquist, Sam Randlett, George Rhoades, Fred Rohm, James Sakoda, David
>> Shall, Lewis Simon, Jack Skillman, Joel Stern, E.D. Sullivan, Florence
>> Temko, and Stephen Weiss.
>>
>> Rising American Designers:
>> Anita Barbour, Doug Caine, Sy Chen, Aaron Einbond, Gabrielle Willow, Rona
>> Gurkewitz, Tom Hull, Jeannine Mosely, J.C. Nolan, Chris Palmer, Mette
>> Petersen, Bernie Peyton, Ethan Plaut, Daniel Robinson, Jeremy Shafer,
Eric
>> Tend, Mark Turner, Valerie Vann, Michael Weinstein, Michael Wrenn and
Joesph
>> Wu.
>>
>> They also mention.... If someone important to you needs to added to the
>> list, let us know.
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Kathy  <*))))><
>
>Hi Kathy!
>
>        I think even though my father Perry Bailey is dead I think
>there should be a way to add him to the list.  He created over
>50 models and you can check them out at the email address below.
>
>Sincerely,
>Erralee Bailey
>--
>"Continental chambermaids
>are very hard to shock,
>first they wait until your naked
>then they enter, then they knock!"
>
>Victor Buono from "It could be verse"
>
>http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 11:48
Subject: Re: TIGER PLEASE!

Yes! Let the requests grow! Hell, contact Mr. Kotatsu himself if we have to!
We need that tiger!!!!

(Little hunmor for you all...)

Saludos!
Juan Carlo
-----Original Message-----
From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:48:23 -0400
Subject: TIGER PLEASE!

>I am desparate for the diagrams of the tiger from tanteidan.  Some one has
>requested it for a display and it would be great to have.
>
>Thank you
>Collin Weber
>coljwebwhs@hotmail.com
>________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 12:03
Subject: Re: Masters

I know I'm not whom you want this answered specifically, Julia, but I do
have some suggestions:

1.- I think we should include as masters any one who pushed the art to its
next level. Of course, Akira Yoshizawa HAS to be considered one, if not by
the sheer bulk of his work then by his philosophy on it. Robert Harbin
should be one for bringing it to the Western masses, and Fumiaki Kawahata,
Yoshino Issei (RIP), John Montroll and Robert Lang for introducing us to
complex and most of the time innovative techniques.

2.- Women in origami? I can start this list: Tomoko Fuse, Toshie Takahama,
Patricia Crawford, Valerie Vann, Lillian Oppenheimer (of course!)... There
was an Argentinan lady featured in SECRETS OF ORIGAMI but I forget her name.
All these lovely ladies contributed in important ways to our art: Ms. Fuse
making modular origami practical, Ms. Takahama making origami in general
joyful and accesible, Mrs.Oppenheimer for trying to bring folders together
(and we know she inspired the creation of similiar organizations around the
world), Ms. Vann for her very innovative modular work (footnote here: Ms.
Vann, the world awaits for the diagrams for your Magic Rose Cube...), and
Ms. Crawford for here unique approach to advanced folds. Why this woman
doesn't have a book or website of her own is beyond me.

A little local propaganda here: The Asociacisn de Origami de Venezuela was
also founded by a woman, in 1988, by Mrs. Takako Kodani de Bracho. She's an
amazingly sensitive and kind woman, who has two joys in life: her family and
her art. The fact that she could begin an organization in a country who
still hadn't gone beyond the cootie-catcher by then and now enjoys - dare I
say it - respect wherever we show ourselves is simply amazing (if any of you
people has been to Venezuela, you know what I'm talking about). I wish she
were known internationally, she deserves so much...

Wow! Sorry for the long mail, but I was on a roll. ;-)

Saludos,
Juan Carlo
-----Original Message-----
From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:03:23 -0400
Subject: Masters

>Hello,
>
>I'm wondering how you define someone as a master of origami? Is it the
>number of models created? Or the originality of his/her folds? The use of
>unusual materials, or the invention of new techniques? His/her role in the
>development of origami at a specific time and place?
>
>I'd also like to know whom you consider the really important people in the
>history of origami - and for what contribution to its development.
>And, in particular, which women folders do you consider significant for the
>development of origami, and again, why? Do women contribute to origami in a
>specific way that is different from that of men? If so, what is that
>specific contribution?
>
>
>
>Julia ("anything rather than internal politics!")Palffy
>Zug, Switzerland
>jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 12:24
Subject: Re: New Origami Base Called Animal Base

People, I just visited Kong's page. His creations are pretty cool! He has
pictures, among other stuff, of his models of Pegasus, a boar, a monkey, a
lion, a rhino, and an ox. Also, he included some watercolors and poems of
his own. This guy's a true artist. Check him out.

To Kong, I do have a few things to point out:

1.- There is a pig in your site that looks a lot like two pigs I have seen
before, one by Adolfo Cerceda and one by Akira Yoshizawa. This caused a
problem beteween the two of them, so be careful. (Yes, I know Cerceda is
dead and I don't know if Yoshizawa is, but hey, it's friendly warning...)

2.- Register that base quick. Your origami is lovely. We want diagrams!

Take care,
Juan Carlo
-----Original Message-----
From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:24:04 -0400
Subject: Re: New Origami Base Called Animal Base

>   Hello,
>     I am TPkong from Malaysia. I am a very keen origami folder. I've been
>folding for several years. In fact, I have created a new base which I call
>"Animal Base". With this new base, I have created many animals. Well, if
you
>have time , I'd like to invite you to view my homepage.
>(http://www.geocities.com/Soho/Gallery/8315/index.html). Pl;ease use
Internet
>Explorer to access it. Thanks.
>     Well, your comments on my work will be greatly appreciated.
>
>     TPKong





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 02 May 2000 12:57
Subject: Re: TIGER PLEASE!

>Yes! Let the requests grow! Hell, contact Mr. Kotatsu
himself if we have to!
>We need that tiger!!!!
>
>(Little hunmor for you all...)

Indeed, a little humour, since you just called him "Mr. Little
Table" (the correct spelling is "Komatsu").





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 02 May 2000 12:57
Subject: Winnie the Pooh

Hi all,

A friend of mine is looking for models that occur in Winnie the Pooh.
Especially "Rabbit" and "Tigger". Does anyone know if there are models of
them, not neccesarily with the right name (copywrite), preferably on the
net?

thanks,
Paula from Holland.
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: 02 May 2000 13:14
Subject: Re: BOS booklet on ebay!

Anine (and interested others)

> I've got really interested in this book at ebay:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D311337579
> I'd just like to know, is it for sale anywhere else? Doesn't have to be
> cheaper :)

this is the BOS booklet of the models of Philip Shen (diagrams by Paul
Jackson). It is still available from BOS supplies - booklet 18 - visit the
online ordering page at http://www.britishorigami.org.uk/. The price is
4.00 UK pounds (about 6.20 US dollars) + shipping - that (I think) is the
BOS members price. It'll be a little more for non-members, about 7.00 US
dollars + shipping, I think.

Hope this helps

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)

> PS. The other day I designed a cube which is folded in a special way so I=
> 'm
> hoping I'm onto something big :P Anyway I'm waiting for Scott Cramer to t=
> ry
> and fold it to hear what he says :)

So, what was the verdict?





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 13:26
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh

Hi Paula!

Try the A.A. Milne Collection:

http://www.folds.net/menagerie/milne.html

Dorothy





From: William Nelson <wnelson18@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 13:43
Subject: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

Hi, I am now an ex-lurcher. The Jeremy Shafer book is $14.16. at
<thebigstore.com>  shipping cost is included in this price.
William Nelson





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 02 May 2000 14:09
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh

The NOA Magazine recently (and by recently I mean one or two months back)
published diagrams for Winie-the-Pooh. And on Jasper's site (I don't have
the URL, sorry), there are diagrams for Eeyore. Enjoy...

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:09:56 -0400
Subject: Winnie the Pooh

>Hi all,
>
>A friend of mine is looking for models that occur in Winnie the Pooh.
>Especially "Rabbit" and "Tigger". Does anyone know if there are models of
>them, not neccesarily with the right name (copywrite), preferably on the
>net?
>
>thanks,
>Paula from Holland.
>http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 02 May 2000 14:22
Subject: Re: Clinton origami sighting

Maybe we should have Clinton run for the OUSA board.  The elections have
gotten so tedious lately.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: 02 May 2000 14:31
Subject: Re: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

I couldn't find the book on that site.  Could you provide a direct link to
it?

Grard

-----Original Message-----
From: William Nelson [mailto:wnelson18@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:43 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

Hi, I am now an ex-lurcher. The Jeremy Shafer book is $14.16. at
<thebigstore.com>  shipping cost is included in this price.
William Nelson





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 16:11
Subject: Geographic distribution of members?

My apologies if this info is on a website where I've missed it.

I've been extolling the truly global nature of this list to my wife.  She
didn't know that there were such strong paperfolding traditions outside of
Japan, let alone that there were long standing origami societies around the
world.  I was curious if there is an approximate breakdown of the list
membership somewhere I could point out to her.  She's an elementary school
teacher and has taught origami lessons (sometimes with me as a guest
instructor) in the past so this sort of info is valuable for her to pass on
to her kids :)

I'm not asking for a name by name distribution, but it's just so cool being
able to say there are active folders in pretty well every country :)

Later!

Lar

**********
The Many Faces of Lar
http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.interlog.com/~artboy





From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 02 May 2000 17:18
Subject: Re: Geographic distribution of members?

Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET> writes:

[...]

> I was curious if there is an approximate breakdown of the list
> membership somewhere I could point out to her.

Well, there's this
<URL:http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/lists/members.txt>.

However, mostly what that shows is how hard it is to do this kind of
analysis: you typically get lots of .com, .net, and .edu people, who
could be in any country.  OK, maybe .edu is always US?  But anyway,
that still leaves lots of .com and .net people, who really could be in
any country: you'd need to check the individual domains, quite
probably by hand, and even then you'd get stuck with quite a few
non-geographic domains (like aol.com).





From: William Nelson <wnelson18@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 17:52
Subject: Re: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

Here's how to get comparison prices for the Jeremy Shafer book:
Enter Google.com in the URL address dialog box and press enter. When this
search engine appears, enter in the find dialog box:  evenbetter.com and
press enter. When that URL web page appears, enter: Jeremy Shafer or the
Title of his book and press enter. You should get the comparison prices. You
can also download evenbetter from that page. Good Luck. It worked for me.
William Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerard Blais" <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

I couldn't find the book on that site.  Could you provide a direct link to
it?

Girard

-----Original Message-----
From: William Nelson [mailto:wnelson18@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:43 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re the Jeremy Shafer book

Hi, I am now an ex-lurcher. The Jeremy Shafer book is $14.16. at
<thebigstore.com>  shipping cost is included in this price.
William Nelson





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 02 May 2000 18:55
Subject: Re: Masters

Juan Carlo Rodrguez:
> There was an Argentinan lady featured in SECRETS OF ORIGAMI but I forget her
name.

I think you are talking about Ligia Montoya.  She had a beautiful stork
model published in "Best of Origami" by Samual Randlett (out of print).  I
love that model, even though it has a cut (oh god!).





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 02 May 2000 18:55
Subject: Re: Two books

Sy CHen asked:
> These are two alert I got it from Amazon today. Is Griffin Trade the same
> as St. Martin's Press ?
>
> Origami to Astonish and Amuse
> by Jeremy Shafer
> Publication date: May 2000
> Publisher: Griffin Trade Paperback

Griffin is a division of St. Martins Press.  Last I heard Jeremy's book has
been rescheduled for November.

--Neil





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 02 May 2000 18:59
Subject: Mascot Monkey

I've just received the Tomoko Fuse book with the Mascot monkey in, its a
really great model but theres one tiny problem... it doesn't have a tail :( (

Does anyone know how to make a monkey of similar proportions but with a
tail?... or even better one that looks like the monkeys in the logo of the
film 12 Monkeys!

C'ya
Dave





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 20:05
Subject: Re: Origami sighting - The leader of the free world

> > There was a segment on TV yesterday, made by Bill Clinton and friends,
and featuring the White House people, showing the last days of Clinton's
term in
> a humoristic way.
> It seems like he hasn't got much to do, so there is a short part where
> Clinton is seen folding an origami swan, and putting it on the table next
to
> an origami penguin...
>

You may be able to view the video here:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/04/30/correspondents.dinner/





From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
Date: 02 May 2000 21:45
Subject: Juan Carlo's Friendly Warning.

    Hello Juan Carlo,

    Thanks for your friendly warning about the little pig on my site, but I
have no fear at all as I have my diagrams of  using my "Animal Base" to create
it or rather to prove it. I think Akira would be surprised thaw I was able to
create the little pig which is a bit resemble to "The Case of The Purloined
Pig"  between Cerceda and Akira.
     Well, could you please tell me how to register my "Animal Base"? I would
be be very much obliged if you could do so.
     I really appreciate your kind comments on my work. Regarding diagrams for
my models, I would do my best to share with my fellow folders. Be patient,
please Juan Carlo.

    TPKong from Malaysia





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 May 2000 21:56
Subject: Iguane by Jean Claude Correia

Hello all,

Would anyone be willing to give me a copy of the diagrams for Jean Claude
Correia's Iguane model? Its a great lookng lizard, but unfortunately I dont
think its possible to obtain the magazine the diagrams were in. Thanks for
your help!

Jake Crowley
jakecrow@hotmail.com

________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 23:45
Subject: Re: Two books

Neil wrote:

>Griffin is a division of St. Martins Press.  Last I heard Jeremy's book has
>been rescheduled for November.

Yeargh!  I've had this book on order with Chapters for a couple months
already!  (sigh)  I suppose I can be patient if I have to.  That's one
valuable lesson origami taught me as a young boy :)

Later!

Lar

**********
The Many Faces of Lar
http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.interlog.com/~artboy





From: Mad <madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 02 May 2000 23:59
Subject: Re: Juan Carlo's Friendly Warning.

Aloha Kong Tian Pang and Juan Carlo,

I don't think Juan Carlo meant to say "register".
"Publish" makes more sense.

Kenneth M. Kawamura

>     Well, could you please tell me how to register my "Animal Base"? I
would
>be be very much obliged if you could do so.
>     I really appreciate your kind comments on my work. Regarding diagrams
for
>my models, I would do my best to share with my fellow folders. Be patient,
>please Juan Carlo.
>
>    TPKong from Malaysia





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 00:43
Subject: BASE REGISTRY

Ken Kawamura commented on the use of the word 'registry' when we are
more familiar with the term 'publish'.

The idea(**)  to register the "Animal Base" so that it is 'time stamped'
is a fun idea but not really necessary.   The sense of accomplishment
with discovering a model is not diminished because someone somewhere on
the earth may have also found the folding sequence. It may be a shared
journey.

Due to a great amount of respect, many folders are proud to seek out and
to recognize originators.

V'Ann
** This concept formed the foundation of the Model Index.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 03:25
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re:  Election Snafu?  WHO CARES!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re: Election Snafu? WHO CARES!!

>
> OUSA should back off from its claim to be a "national" organization --
> it hasn't worked, and it's not gonna work unless the organization changes
> signficantly in ways that many people who have watched it grow over the
> years don't want. It should reaffirm that its mission is (in Bernice's
words)
> "to preserve [I would add "and expand"] Lillian Oppenheimer's collection
of
> books [I would add ", diagrams, and models"] and her zeal in her love and
> sharing of origami".

I know it's been argued that this is an OUSA and not an O-list issue, but
that's like talking about jazz sax, but leaving Bird for the Charlie Parker
list. You can't seperate the two. OUSA is like the MOMA of origami. You
should be able to hit the page, etc... but to make it something beyond the
archive and local (albeit large local) group that it is is to ask it to
essentially govern a realm that is, at best, disorganized. Let them organize
where they can, advise and supply where they are able, and get on with
folding around New York. It's really up to whatever communities of folders
may develop to sustain themselves based upon their individuals' level of
commitment. Perhaps the concept of a global resource for information is in
order, as even should OUSA live up to the "USA" misnomer part of their
acronym, that still leaves international organization untended to, and from
the looks of this list, something international would be in order. Blah,
blah, blah... I tend to drone on around bed-time...All the best - c!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
With clear melting dew,
I'd try to wash away the dust
of this floating world
                      -Basho
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

email: ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 04:41
Subject: No: sorry

Hey, sorry that ms. went out twice, I stil don't know why, but hope this one
     doesn't... All the best - c!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
With clear melting dew,
I'd try to wash away the dust
of this floating world
                      -Basho
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

email: ella-mae@msn.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 03 May 2000 08:37
Subject: Re: Mascot Monkey

Check out Robin Glynn's website. There's a hilariously cute monkey model
there. (Not so much as the 12 MONKEYS logo, but close enough...) God, I
promise I'll start including URL's in my messages...

Saludos,
JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:37:23 -0400
Subject: Mascot Monkey

>I've just received the Tomoko Fuse book with the Mascot monkey in, its a
>really great model but theres one tiny problem... it doesn't have a tail
( (
>
>Does anyone know how to make a monkey of similar proportions but with a
>tail?... or even better one that looks like the monkeys in the logo of the
>film 12 Monkeys!
>
>C'ya
>Dave





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 08:46
Subject: Mascot Monkey

>Check out Robin Glynn's website. There's a hilariously cute monkey model
>there. (Not so much as the 12 MONKEYS logo, but close enough...) God, I
>promise I'll start including URL's in my messages...

How about starting now?  I'm also looking for a good monkey model.





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 03 May 2000 08:57
Subject: Re: Mascot Monkey

Ha, ha, ha! OK, the people have spoken. Here it goes:

http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/

I highly recommend this site.It's pretty simple: a little personal history
by Robin, some pictures, a few links, and thirteen models -- but what
models! Besides the aforementioned monkey, there's a great star box a la
Fuse, a C3PO mask (for us Star Wars buffs), a badger, a very cool treasure
chest, and a few models that I'm sure will make more than one on this list
take a trip back to childhood (you'll see what I mean...). Congratulations,
Mr. Glynn!

Enjoy, amigos.
JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Joel M. Hoffman <joel@EXC.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:57:14 -0400
Subject: Mascot Monkey

>>Check out Robin Glynn's website. There's a hilariously cute monkey model
>>there. (Not so much as the 12 MONKEYS logo, but close enough...) God, I
>>promise I'll start including URL's in my messages...
>
>How about starting now?  I'm also looking for a good monkey model.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 03 May 2000 09:17
Subject: Re: Clinton origami sighting

Kim Best suggests:

>Maybe we should have Clinton run for the OUSA board.  The elections have
>gotten so tedious lately.

That wouldn't solve any problems: he's a New York resident now.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Kong Tian Pang <tpkong@TM.NET.MY>
Date: 03 May 2000 21:42
Subject: Re: BASE REGISTRY

Hi V'Ann,

I do not agree to your opinion that It is not really necessary to "register"
the "Animal Base".As you know, in this world there are many unscrupulous
people who might claim that they had invented first. Do you still remember
the case of the purloined pig between Cerceda and Akira? They were trying to
accuse each other of stealing the creation. Yes, I do agree that in this
world there will be some people inventing the same thing, but the question
is "Who is the first inventor of the Base?"

TPKong





From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 22:06
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re: Election Snafu?  WHO CARES?

>Date:    Wed, 3 May 2000 00:19:45 -0700
>From:    Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
>Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re:  Election Snafu?  WHO CARES!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
>Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Re: Election Snafu? WHO CARES!!
>
>
>>
>> OUSA should back off from its claim to be a "national" organization --
>> it hasn't worked, and it's not gonna work unless the organization
>changes
>> signficantly in ways that many people who have watched it grow over the
>> years don't want. It should reaffirm that its mission is (in Bernice's
>words)
>> "to preserve [I would add "and expand"] Lillian Oppenheimer's
>collection
>of
>> books [I would add ", diagrams, and models"] and her zeal in her love
>and
>> sharing of origami".
>
>I know it's been argued that this is an OUSA and not an O-list issue, but
>that's like talking about jazz sax, but leaving Bird for the Charlie
>Parker
>list. You can't seperate the two. OUSA is like the MOMA of origami. You
>should be able to hit the page, etc... but to make it something beyond
>the
>archive and local (albeit large local) group that it is is to ask it to
>essentially govern a realm that is, at best, disorganized. Let them
>organize
>where they can, advise and supply where they are able, and get on with
>folding around New York. It's really up to whatever communities of
>folders
>may develop to sustain themselves based upon their individuals' level of
>commitment. Perhaps the concept of a global resource for information is
>in
>order, as even should OUSA live up to the "USA" misnomer part of their
>acronym, that still leaves international organization untended to, and
>from
>the looks of this list, something international would be in order. Blah,
>blah, blah... I tend to drone on around bed-time...All the best - c!!!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>With clear melting dew,
>I'd try to wash away the dust
>of this floating world
>                      -Basho
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>email: ella-mae@msn.com

Who cares?I care.

Maybe the complaints are correct, there is something wrong with OUSA.

Consider this:

For several years I heard complaints from OUSA members that the NY
members get their convention notification earlier than those of us out
west.  If your cinvention number is made by when the forms are sent in
this makes a difference.  Having raised this question, I received
numerous denials and explanations from New York and from people on this
List.

OK, I joined OUSA this year.  Looking forward to my first trip east to
attend the NY convention in June.  So, when do I receive my registration
packet?  Not like everyone else, I get mine a week later than everyone
else appears to have received theirs (April 27).

Somehow, this does not instill that feeling that everything is as it
should be, or as OUSA says it is.  I believe that we all should be
concerned, and demand that the national organization be fair to all
members.

Of course, being "directionally challenged" I do see things from a
different perspective.





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 22:06
Subject: Re: Mascot Monkey

I love this model! It reminds me of the monkeys that you used to get in
a barrel... I made a bunch of 'em for that purpose in fact... I guess
you could rename it "Mascot Ape" and not worry about a tail!

Dee

Dave Stephenson wrote:
>
> I've just received the Tomoko Fuse book with the Mascot monkey in, its a
> really great model but theres one tiny problem... it doesn't have a tail :( (
>
> Does anyone know how to make a monkey of similar proportions but with a
> tail?... or even better one that looks like the monkeys in the logo of the
> film 12 Monkeys!
>
> C'ya
> Dave





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 03 May 2000 23:30
Subject: Re: Mascot Monkey

Well. How about the famous Curious George?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:30:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Mascot Monkey

>I love this model! It reminds me of the monkeys that you used to get in
>a barrel... I made a bunch of 'em for that purpose in fact... I guess
>you could rename it "Mascot Ape" and not worry about a tail!
>
>Dee





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 00:44
Subject: Re: BASE REGISTRY

The best way I know of to "register" a base or a model is to publish it.
The wider the distribution, the better. Without going through proper
paperwork, it creates a tight enough copyright protection for most
purposes. If someone else comes up with a simmilar folding sequence, you
can always point to your earlier published work.

Marc

http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 01:17
Subject: Denver Folders?

>From Dee Lynch:

> There are only about 5 or 6 members of OUSA in the entire state of
> Colorado, so it seems to me that it would be useless to do a convention
> here anyway! (Unless you were open up the convention to anyone who
> wanted to attend... but I really doubt that there is that much interest
> in origami in the general public to warrant it)

This has always bothered me.  A major metropolitan as Denver, with a
population of 2,286,000 has only 5 or 6 folders.  Does Barnes & Nobles
not sell origami books in that area??? How can it be?

If there are any Denver folders on this list, who are willing to put forth
a "little"  effort to start a folding group, we would like to help you.
We have a lot of resources we can make available.  There are several of us
who have started/led folding groups and we would be more than willing to
nuture your group to success.

If you are willing to step forward, please e-mail me privately and we will
get your group on it's way.  I am sure many on this list, who are part of
a folding group, can attest to the fun of sharing your folding with others
who share your passion.

I hope to hear from you.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 01:55
Subject: Re: Denver Folders?

Allen, you wrote:

"If there are any Denver folders on this list, who are willing to put
forth a "little" effort to start a folding group, we would like to help
you. We have a lot of resources we can make available. There are several
of us who have started/led folding groups and we would be more than
willing to nuture your group to success."

"If you are willing to step forward, please e-mail me privately and we
will get your group on it's way. I am sure many on this list, who are
part of a folding group, can attest to the fun of sharing your folding
with others who share your passion."

Allen, for one year you have been posting your criticism of the elitist
power and control exercised by OrigamiUSA's Board. And yet tonight,
instead of reaching out and offering your help to Dee and other
OrigamiUSA Denver folders in a spirit of friendship and fellowship and
mutual cooperation, first you post a very disparaging and patronizing
remark about Dee and then you invite Denver list members to contact
"you" for help.  Is this a sneak preview of your leadership skills as a
Board member of OrigamiUSA?

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 02:18
Subject: Re: Denver Folders?

Allen, you wrote:

"If there are any Denver folders on this list, who are willing to put
forth a "little" effort to start a folding group, we would like to help
you. We have a lot of resources we can make available. There are several
of us who have started/led folding groups and we would be more than
willing to nuture your group to success."

"If you are willing to step forward, please e-mail me privately and we
will get your group on it's way. I am sure many on this list, who are
part of a folding group, can attest to the fun of sharing your folding
with others who share your passion."

Allen, for one year you have been posting your criticism of the elitist
power and control exercised by OrigamiUSA's Board. And yet tonight,
instead of reaching out and offering your help to Dee and other
OrigamiUSA Denver folders in a spirit of friendship and fellowship and
mutual cooperation, first you post a disparaging and patronizing remark
about Dee and then you invite Denver list members to contact you for
help.  Is this a sneak preview of your leadership skills as a Board
member of OrigamiUSA?

Dorothy





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 04 May 2000 03:42
Subject: wow!! neat dragons!!!

hey, did everyone see those great dragons from the Super Millenium
2000 Dragon Challenge-o-Rama?!?  they're cooool!!!  the dragon that
got best original design SUCKS though!!

ok i'm messing around...the dragons are at:

  http://www.ifold.org/dragonwinners.htm

go look at them, they're pretty neat.  i guess since i was involved
i was kind of hoping people would have a nice little discussion, and
Joseph Wu would pipe in with "hey, neat dragon, dan - that's better
than anything i've ever made or ever hope to make!!!"  shark schmark.
flying pig schmlying pig.  one-fold stegosaurus schmun-fold...ok, that
doesn't work.

oh well...

well, one reason i'm ACTUALLY writing is to ask about the "OUSA annual
collection" - how does one submit his or her diagrams?  i don't think
i got any information on this when i became a member.  i would like to
get the diagrams for my dragon published, since i've never had anything
published before, and because i hope someone would enjoy folding it.
and i think due to the pressures of my recent life, i was unable to
submit diagrams to the special publication from the PCOC conference.
"PCOC conference"?  that's like saying "ATM machine" or "PIN number."
excuse me.

(john marcolina and kim, if you're listening, i can send you my
preliminary diagrams; perhaps you could test them - i still need to
make a nice version of them, though.)

well, let me say that the dragons in that contest were just beautifully
done, and i am honored that the judges enjoyed mine so much - i was
just happy to be a part of it.  the best-of-show model by jerry
harris is just fantastic.  actually, they all are!  i sent the URL to
my brother's family so my five-year-old nephew can see the dragons;
he'll really love it.

this whole thing makes me really want to attend the conference
in new york - i've never been to such a thing,  and now i'm really
interested in meeting people and seeing such exhibits close up.  i'm
just really pleased that i am making connections with other origami
people out there.  i'm not sure if i'll be able to make it to the
conference, but i'm going to try to figure that out.

take care, everyone.  excuse my silliness...it's way past my bedtime.

-dan





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 04:32
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 04:34
Subject: Diagrams: Collecting

Wanted:
I collect package diagrams, (the kind packaged with paper), and would
appreicate help in compiling them.

I am looking information as to when they started to include them with the
paper and as to whoes' designs they are if possible.

Would like to see some from before the universal symbols were developed if
anyone has any that old.
          Thank's
                         Mike Kanarek
                         17 Clinton Ave.
                         Kingston, NY 12401
Kanarekorigami@Hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 07:19
Subject: Montroll $BIll Animal book

Amazon just listed it as being released June 2000. Place your advanced order
with Amazon.
~J
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 08:10
Subject: Re: wow!! neat dragons!!!

I need to second Dan that these are wonderful designs :)

As a relative newcomer to this list, I'd appreciate a quick background note
on the Millenium Challenge.  Who organized it?  Is this a Millenium
challenge or an annual one?  Is there another upcoming fold challenge for
folks to participate in?  Is there any chance of seeing some of these
original diagrams in print someday? :)  The website we were pointed to
didn't have any further info.

I'm sure I'm not the only fantasy fan who was thrilled by the level of
folding that went into the winners :)  Really fabulous work :)
Congratulations to all the winners!!

Lar

**********
The Many Faces of Lar
http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.interlog.com/~artboy





From: Atsina <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 09:43
Subject: Re: wow!! neat dragons!!!

Lar,

The dragon challenge was part of the Pacific Coast Origami Conference this year.
The organizers were the planning committee for the conference and specifically
Vicky Avery and V'ann Cornelius, I helped a bit. We thought that the year of the
dragon and the millennium were good omens for a dragon contest and there it was.
It is not annual. Ideas have been floated for subsequent contests, but it was
and is still a great deal of work and we will probably need to actually finish
dealing with this one before we decide to take on another :).

There is a Dragon Challenge Book, and people have had very valid questions about
how to aquire said book. Vicky is currently away. I don't know if V'ann knows
more about it or what. But there is a book. It should be available. And when I
find out all of the details I will post them. My part of the deal was placing 90
plus dragons in the display areas in Japan Town, unpacking etc. It was daunting
and the work that Vicky did, for the contest and for PCOC was just mind
boggling. She is my current favorite superhero.

I would like to say again how wonderful the response was to the contest. The
dragons were amazing, not only the winners, but others as well. Perry Bailey,
who recently passed away, submitted some lovely ones. Thanks again to everyone
who participated.

Kim Shuck

Lar deSouza wrote:
>
> I need to second Dan that these are wonderful designs :)
>
> As a relative newcomer to this list, I'd appreciate a quick background note
> on the Millenium Challenge.  Who organized it?  Is this a Millenium
> challenge or an annual one?  Is there another upcoming fold challenge for
> folks to participate in?  Is there any chance of seeing some of these
> original diagrams in print someday? :)  The website we were pointed to
> didn't have any further info.





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 10:57
Subject: Re: Denver Folders?

On Wed, 3 May 2000, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> And yet tonight, instead of reaching out and offering your help to Dee
> and other OrigamiUSA Denver folders in a spirit of friendship and
> fellowship and mutual cooperation.

You misinterpret my intent.  It is sincere.  We have helped several people
get groups off the ground. This topic of not having a folding group in an
area is a passion of mine.  I know what it is not to be able to share
one's origami with anyone who appreciates the art.

My offer extends to Dee, also, but when we have talked in the past she has
made it very clear that she is too busy.  I am just wondering if there is
anyone else out there who might have a little more time and be willing.

> Is this a sneak preview of your leadership skills as a Board member of >
OrigamiUSA?

I hope so.  I really want to do something for the folder out there.  One
of the main reasons I decided to run for office was because of a letter I
recieved from a woman from Nevada.  Her letter touched my heart when she
explained how she reads in the newsletter about all of there wonderful
origami things happening in New York, as she lives in an origami desert.
No one to share her origami with. I keep her letter handy to remind me why
I even bother... it is a very good cause.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: 04 May 2000 10:57
Subject: Re: BASE REGISTRY

Marc Kirschenbaum states an established manner of 'registry'
that is used in many 'idea' industries: publishing. It doesn't
have to be a trade book. Create the diagrams with the date on
the sheet. Submit it to the British Origami Society
Magazine. Rick Beech: [ricknbeech@aol.com] or to OrigamiUSA
Annual Collection: [marc@origami-usa.org]. The great collection
is distributed in June so it may be late for this issue. Several
people are self-publishing and marketing through The Source,
OrigamiUSA's catalog sales.

David Petty requests submissions for new publications. No e-address
is listed but you may get information from

http://wwwbritishorigami.org.uk

I agree with Marc. Having your idea in print and distributed to a
wide audience in the same discipline is a sure way to become
recognized for your ideas.

V'Ann

Kong Tian Pang wrote:
>
> Hi V'Ann,
>
> I do not agree to your opinion that It is not really necessary to "register"
> the "Animal Base".As you know, in this world there are many unscrupulous
> people who might claim that they had invented first. Do you still remember
> the case of the purloined pig between Cerceda and Akira? They were trying to
> accuse each other of stealing the creation. Yes, I do agree that in this
> world there will be some people inventing the same thing, but the question
> is "Who is the first inventor of the Base?"
>
> TPKong





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 04 May 2000 11:38
Subject: Professor Engel, I presume...

People, there has been one burning question I have to ask. Remember, I'm in a
     country who gets few information from the origami world. Whatever happened
     to Peter Engel? Can anyone tell me?The guy is like the Bobby Fischer of
     origami -- he makes history qi

Saludos,
Juan Carlo





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 04 May 2000 11:40
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh

Dear Dorothy and Juan,

Thanks for your links to Jasper's site
(http://www.folds.net/menagerie/milne.html)
and the mention of the NOA magazine. I actually have this issue of NOA but I
forgot Winnie the Pooh was in there!

I'm still looking for the friends of Winnie the Pooh: "Rabbit" and "Tigger"
(preferrably the Disney-characters).
If anyone knows a simple model (not necessarily from one sheet) of them,
please let me know!

Thanks,
Paula from Holland.
http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 04 May 2000 11:50
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh

You're quite welcome, Paula. I'll be on the lookout, too, espcially for
Tigger, but here's something interesting that goes out for everyone: anyone
feel up to creating a good Tigger model?

I'll leave that one for you. ;-)

JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:50:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh

>Dear Dorothy and Juan,
>
>Thanks for your links to Jasper's site
>(http://www.folds.net/menagerie/milne.html)
>and the mention of the NOA magazine. I actually have this issue of NOA but
I
>forgot Winnie the Pooh was in there!
>
>I'm still looking for the friends of Winnie the Pooh: "Rabbit" and "Tigger"
>(preferrably the Disney-characters).
>If anyone knows a simple model (not necessarily from one sheet) of them,
>please let me know!
>
>Thanks,
>Paula from Holland.
>http://www.home.zonnet.nl/gerard.en.paula/





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 11:55
Subject: Up the creek without a kayak

Hi Everyone,

    I have had a request for a kayak model from a paddling enthusiast.  A
search of the model database offers R.J.Lang's Kayak from Origami Animals,
but that is out of print.  Does anyone know of a kayak model that is
available?

    Thanks!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlo_Rodr=EDguez?= <tciprograming@TELCEL.NET.VE>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:19
Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

Scott, I have a copy of ORIGAMI ANIMALS. If you give me a fax number, I can
copy the kayak and the eskimo for added fun and send it to you. Or I could
try scanning them and e-mailing it to you. Or, if you're not in a terrible
hurry, I could send it by courier. Your choice!

Saludos,
JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:19:13 -0400
Subject: Up the creek without a kayak

>Hi Everyone,
>
>    I have had a request for a kayak model from a paddling enthusiast.  A
>search of the model database offers R.J.Lang's Kayak from Origami Animals,
>but that is out of print.  Does anyone know of a kayak model that is
>available?
>
>    Thanks!
>
>Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:39
Subject: Re: wow!! neat dragons!!!

>  http://www.ifold.org/dragonwinners.htm
>
>go look at them, they're pretty neat.  i guess since i was
involved
>i was kind of hoping people would have a nice little
discussion, and
>Joseph Wu would pipe in with "hey, neat dragon, dan -
that's better
>than anything i've ever made or ever hope to make!!!"
shark schmark.
>flying pig schmlying pig.  one-fold stegosaurus
schmun-fold...ok, that
>doesn't work.

"Hey, neat dragon, Dan - " but why doesn't it have a longer
neck, and why doesn't it have claws? 8)





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 04 May 2000 13:17
Subject: Re: Up the creek without a kayak

>Or, if you're not in a terrible
>hurry, I could send it by courier. Your choice!

     Thanks Juan!  Given copyright considerations, however, I think the best
thing to do would be to have the book itself delivered by courier... Umm,
how long do you think it will take to get to New Hampshire from Venezuela?
And how much of a tip should I give him?  ;o)
