




From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Apr 2000 05:46
Subject: Re: Fuse Book Identification

Dennis W. Manasco asked this morning  for the title of Tomoko Fuse's Book
with the ISBN: 4-416-38835-X.

This is :  Tsunaide  Tsukuro:
In English: "Let's Connect and make it - Origami Chains"

Date of Publication, 1988.

I have this book, but I have taken the translation for Peter Messer's
bibliogaphy of Tomoko Fuse's books dated 1996. I'm not sure how the two parts
of the title given by Peter Messer fit together. The verb "tsukuru"
apparently mens "to produce or manufacture." "tsuna" means "rope, cord or
cable" and  "tsunaide" is presumably derived from this. But how Peter derives
his title from this, I do not know.

Too late for me to take up Japanese now!

David Lister.





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 06:32
Subject: Bronze Rectangle

David Lister wrote:

>I once identified a third kind of ratio and rectangle, which I designated
the
>Bronze Rectangle. Unfortunately it has receded into the far back of my mind
>and because of the current pressures, I haven't sufficient time to dig it
>out. But I can do so later if anyone is really interested. It involves the
>square root of three.

This is intriguing .... about 10 years ago I first outlined my 4-rectangle
theory of modular origami in a letter to Dave Brill and since then I've used
the term bronze rectangle regularly to mean a rectangle in the proportion of
1 to the square root of 3 in which the diagonals cross at 60 degrees. Sounds
like the same idea.

The first rectangle in this theory is the square, the second the silver
rectangle, the third the bronze .... which just leaves the .... platinum.
Unfortunately .... as I indicated earlier ... the platinum rectangle of this
theory (a rectangle whose diagonals cross at 72 degrees) is not easy to
construct by folding from other rectangles and so is of little practical
use. It's very close to the silver rectangle, of course, and the angles can
in any case be easily approximated from a square.

The bronze rectangle - or combinations of 2 or 3 bronze rectangles side by
side - are extremely useful for constructing modular deltahedra (polyhedra
whose faces are all equilateral triangles.)

More recently I've also been trying to popularise the use of 'silver
triangle' for the right angle isosceles triangle produced by dividing a
square in half diagonally -  partly because I just like simple expressive
names and partly because it emphasises the peculiar geometric quality that
these shapes have in common.

And finally .... how about 'silverhedra' as a term for polyhedra whose faces
are silver triangles?

Dave Mitchell





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 08:43
Subject: Re: Fuse Book Identification

> I wonder if anyone can help me with the english title of a Tomoko
> Fuse book I have.

You can find a translation for the titles of Fuse books at
http://members.aol.com/rrosalinda/Fuse.html

This web page translates the ISBN you gave as "Let's Link and Make".

Janet





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 09:39
Subject: Re: I'm new

Hi Weldon

<
If you were me where would you start?
>

First, welcome :-). We are a wonderful group here (well most of us ;-).
I see you are starting to get a lot of responses so I'll not recommend
specifics but just ramble off a few thoughts.

First, you mention wanting to get past the simple stuff and on to the more
complex. Of course you can do what you like, but there are many simple
models that are WONDERFUL. I'll leave them unmentioned for you to discover
yourself, just don't lose out on them cause you are eager to hit the hard
stuff. My first suggestion would be to explore the internet and browse
bookstores and libraries (good idea Doug :-) and find for yourself what
kinds of origami exist. There are modulars, nice 3-D models, geometrics,
tessellation's, flowers, boxes... and on and on... So start by learning what
origami is out there and which of it you like. Ok, I said I wasn't going to
mention specifics but I will mention just one name Tomoko Fuse. Most any
book by her is great (Multi-dimensional Unit Origami can be found in many
bookstores). Another book I've not folded from for a long time but is one of
my favorites is her Origami Quilt book. She also has origami box books
(joyful origami boxes is great).

Also, you've mentioned trying to find books and paper. What you can find at
local stores is usually quite limited. Here are a few online places to shop
for o stuff as well (I have no affiliation and there are other wonderful
ones too)

Fascinating Folds - http://www.fascinating-folds.com/
OUSA - http://www.origami-usa.org/
Kim's Crane - http://www.kimscrane.com/
Sasuga - http://world.std.com/~sasuga/origami1.html

And there is a ton of origami info in the archives of this group which you
can search at http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami/

Jeff Kerwood





From: Weldon MacDonald <weldon.macdonald@SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 10:18
Subject: I'm less new

Hi
First I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to answer my original post
     and for all the advice. Reading the posts has helped me narrow my search a
     bit. I'll also try and answer some of your points.

Someone asked about interests. That's a tough one. I've never met a topic I
     didn't like and being a racial devil's brew of Scottish and Irish, it's
     genetically impossible for me not to have an opinion on any issue. At the
     moment I put the most effort into

In the case of origami, I'm interested in the geometry, I love math, but not
     exclusively. 3-D models, definitely, Birds and animals have always been an
     interest of mine as is fantasy.  I am also intrigued by the entertainment
     possibilities of folding/stor

Goals, I like to keep them open ended, but there usually seems to be 2 ways to
     go. One you can learn the forms, learn to read diagrams,  progress to
     working out the folds from looking at the model, and finally to design
     from life or imagination. The dange

The stores here(Canada, near Montreal) are closed today and so probably is the
     library. What I'm looking for in a book is a reference manual. All the
     basic forms and lots of things to practice on. Some of the Titles
     recommended sound like they will fit th

I'll scour the internet first, and see what I can come up with, lots from what
     I've seen, and start folding. Then we'll see how it evolves.

Thanks again
Weldon





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 11:12
Subject: Re: Sv:      Golden rectangle

> >> Maths terms confuse me, please tell me in plain English what the
> >> proportions of a Golden Rectangle are,I understand things like 2 by 1
> >
> >The proportions of the Golden rectangle in simple terme are=20
> >1 to 0,618034.
>
> Or roughly 3x5.

       Like standard index card proportions?????

                  ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 11:16
Subject: Re: Bronze Rectangle

Dave Mitchell wrote:

>I've used the term bronze rectangle regularly to mean a rectangle in the
proportion of
>1 to the square root of 3 in which the diagonals cross at 60 degrees.

    American business card proportions are 2" x 3.5",  or 1:1.75, which is a
close enough approximation to 1:sqrt3 to be useful for 60 degree folding.  I
dimly recall reading in the archives, or possibly on a web page, that
Jeanine Mosely independently proposed calling those proportions the 'Bronze
Rectangle'.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Joe Wezorek <joew@DYNAVOXSYS.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 11:48
Subject: woven cuboctahedron skeleton

Hi everybody,
        Over Easter weekend I wove a cuboctahedron skeleton from six rectangular
strips. By skeleton I mean the thing that you get if you start with a
wireframe of a polyhedron and connect each edge to the center of the
polyhedron with an isosceles triangle, the base of the triangle falling
along the edge. In the case of the cuboctahedron, the isosceles triangles
turn out to be equilateral and consequently you can weave its skeleton from
strips.
        The model was pretty difficult to produce because the strips have to
     keep
on making really tight corners. I ended up having to use tweezers :(  . But
on the plus side once you get the thing built it is really sturdy.  An
interesting footnote on this construction is that the shape of each strip as
it  is embedded in the model turns out to be a flexagon.
        Anyway, I have a number of questions. First off, is this model well
     known?
If not, I will attempt to diagram it if there is interest. Second, does
anyone know of another polyhedron that has all edges of the same length and
also a circumradius equal to that length. If there is such a beast besides
the cuboctahedron you will probably be able to weave its skeleton as well.
The icosahedron comes close - I thinks its circumradius is half the diagonal
of the golden rectangle (approximately 0.95) - but I don't think that's
close enough to construct the analogous model.
        One more thing  When this model was partially constructed it was so
     sturdy
that I could deform it freely without fear of it falling apart. I could push
vertices together and vertices on the other side would move away from each
other, etc. I started thinking how great it would be to construct an action,
abstract modular - some kind of interesting geometric 3D form in which  you
can push together a couple of vertices (or something) and it magically turns
into another interesting geometric 3D form

Joe





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 12:09
Subject: Re: Golden, Silver and Bronze Rectangles

Hi, Dave
>
>  ... the platinum rectangle of this
> theory (a rectangle whose diagonals cross at 72 degrees) is not easy to
> construct by folding from other rectangles and so is of little practical
> use. It's very close to the silver rectangle, of course, and the angles
can
> in any case be easily approximated from a square.
>
Why shouldn't it be easy to construct (by folding, of course) a rectangle
whose diagonals cross at 72 degrees? We can use a property of the regular
pentagon, whose diagonals divide each of the corners into 3 equal angles of
36 degrees. Since the diagonal and the side of this pentagon are already
the golden ratio, it shouldn't be difficult to work that into a golden
rectangle, to obtain from it a rectangle whose diagonals cross at 2x36 or
72 degrees. 4 steps should do the trick, I think.

Cheers!

Cheng Chit





From: Mad <madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 12:15
Subject: Re: Stephen O'Hanmlon on Copyright: a Clarifiction

David Lister said
>Stepehen O'Hanlon began his brief note on Copyright last night with the
words:
>"As in the eyes of interntional copyright, origami is considered to be a
>craft (yuk)....."
>
>This is not so and I feel that a clarification is needed. As a piece of
>sculpture, an origami model has full copyright protection as a work of art.
    <snip>
>But the law is only concerned with the outward appearance of the model.
    <snip>
>What the law does not protect is that inner structure, crease pattern and
>folding sequence. It couldn't care less about the inner of construction of
>the model.
>
>It is for this reason that the inner structure and folding sequence is
>considered to be an invention, which must be protected, if at all, by a
>patent. Otherwise, anyone is at liberty to pull a model part, work out how
it
>was folded and to draw and publish his own diagrams. (As long as he doesn't
>copy any one else's diagrams: such copying would be a breach of the
copyright
>in the diagrams, not the model.)
    <snip>

I think that's wrong, if the effect is to replace or avoid using
someone else's diagrams, guessing by photography
copyright law in the U.S.A., where re-staging a photograph
to avoid paying the owner of the original photograph, has
been found to be a violation of copyright, even when details
have been changed, e.g. a different model, different clothes,
etc.

Also, the U.S.A. copyright laws I've seen refer to "fixing"
a work in some "tangible" medium, but don't say anything
about only protecting the appearance of the work. As far
as I could tell, the whole work is copyrighted, internals and
all.  There's a fuzzy part about originality, and prior "state of
the art" not being copyrighted, but that isn't real clear.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 12:21
Subject: Re: I'm new

Welcome to the list, Weldon.

> Lar deSouza wrote:

> You can't go wrong though with stuff by Kasahara, Lang, Harbin or Montroll.

Er .... Lar, not every book by Robert Lang would be suitable for
folder-wannabes, I think. Remember that book we dubbed 'Origami for the
Masochist'? Can't remember what the actual title is, but it features a
collection of creepy crawlies with lots of sticky-out bits. We should
rule that out :o).





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 12:34
Subject: Pentagons

Well Leon,

Having a pentagon to work from in the first place is wonderful for the 72
degree angle-building, but making that pentagon is by no means easy, and
my impression is that there are only several "approximating" methods for
getting to the pentagon, yes?

Ron Wet Blanket Arruda





From: "Tomlinson, Kristine" <ktomlinson@CONCORD.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 12:58
Subject: Metamorphoses -- Mid-18th Century Pennsylvania Folds

Hi,

Last week I was looking for more examples of 18th century origami puzzle
purses and stumbled on the following folded paper references.  Do any of you
have additional information on these folded religious games?  The 2 folds
sound as though they are based on a blintz and a cupboard.  Compare these
American examples to Japanese equivalents in Honda's World of Origami
Changeable Pictures (No. 29, Honda: p. 47) and Picture Forms (No. 41,
Honda:pp.58-59) which are multiform and kite based.

Hopefully, someday I'll be able to track down some surviving examples in one
of the many library collections this book referenced.  The book is *very*
well researched, but the writing's a bit hard to follow ...

Kristine

Metamorphoses -- Mid-18th Century Folded and Illustrated Religious Play of
Pennsylvania (USA) Pietists.

In place of worldly card games and gambling, devot Pietist farmers played
Der Frommen Lotterie (tickets containing religious verses), and with printed
and illuminated Irrgarten (Labyrinths) and with metamorphoses.

"Another interesting phase of this religious play was the the so-called
metamorphoses, the folding patterns of design.  As each fold is made new
pictures are uncovered. Several methods of folding were used.  One was to
fold a square piecee diagonally so that triangular areas were produced.
[blintz?] With each fold new patterns emerged as apparently unconnected
designs were integrated into the overall pattern.  Another method was to
fold the paper laterally so that a division was across the middle of the
piece.  When closed a pattern of four related designs is shown. Also verses
are include. The second design  is a lion with the verse:  [The author
quotes the original  German and the English translation.]

The lion roars before his den
Until he is filled with fierceness
Soon he changes into another form--
Lift up and see how miraculously

And then when the upper halves of each of the four sections are lifted the
designs change. The second picture  now shows a grifon with the verse:

A bird griffen here you can see,
Half beast and bird.
How [sic] fold the lower part
And you will see a greater wonder

So, closing the upper half and opening the lower half the third sequence of
pictures shows; now the griffen has become an owl. And finally, opening the
lower half exposes a fourth set of designs; now the owl is the eagle, the
only bird that flies into the sun and is not blinded.

There seems to be little European tradition for these pieces, and they
appear to have come out of our Pennsylvania sectarian tradition."

Sources:

John Joseph Stoudt

Early Pennsylvania Arts and Crafts,  New York: A. S. Barnes and Company,
Inc., London: Thomas Yoseloff Ltd., [c1964], 364 pp. hardcopy.  Quotes taken
from pp. 342, 344.

Isao Honda

The World of Origami, Tokyo & San Francisco: Japan Publications Trading
Company, (1994), Abridged edition. 182 pp. softcover.  ISBN: 0-87040-383-4.

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From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 13:19
Subject: Transforming 3D Geometric models.

Joe Wezorek inquired:

>other, etc. I started thinking how great it would be to construct an
>action,
>abstract modular - some kind of interesting geometric 3D form in which  you
>can push together a couple of vertices (or something) and it magically
>turns
>into another interesting geometric 3D form

Hmmm, there are a couple of models, probably mostly recently famous is Yami
Yamaguchi's (if I recall correctly), "Fireworks" model, which is a ring that
can rotate around itself, exposing different aspects, though it doesn't
truly change shape. There is a ring of similar abilities in one of Gay
Merrill Gross's books too.

In the realm of really changing shape, Mark Kennedy, at either the '98 or
the '99 OUSA Convention, was teaching an afterhours model (I presume it was
only afterhours, but I don't recall), which was made from ninety units. 60
units formed a mild-mannered looking dodecahedron, and the additional 30
units formed hidden hinges which could expand the volume of the shape, but I
didn't see a finished model, so I don't know what shape it became, perhaps a
truncated something or other (I don't have the visualization skills to see
it in my head). Sadly, while I have the sample units, I didn't write down
the name of either the model or its creator. Perhaps Mark can chime in with
the details.

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From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 14:19
Subject: Re: Pentagons

Ron Wet Blanket asks:

>>>
... but making that pentagon is by no means easy, and
my impression is that there are only several "approximating" methods for
getting to the pentagon, yes?
<<<

Nope!  There are a number of exact pentagon constructions.  The first
I saw was by our very own Roberto Morassi (in the impossible-to-find
1st Proceedings of Origami Science and Technology book), but others
were published in Kasahara's "Origami la Hera Nueva" and in a book
I have by Miyuki Kawamura.  However, you can see some of these methods
yourself in the paper "Searching for optimal polygon" by
David Dureisseix on the Origami Interest Group ftp site:

ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/articles/index.htm

I hope that helps!  It's fun to see so much math on origami-l!

--- Tom "if I had a protractor, I'd protract in the morning..."
    Hull

    http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 14:56
Subject: Re: I'm new

Ronald wrote:
>> Lar deSouza wrote:
>
>> You can't go wrong though with stuff by Kasahara, Lang, Harbin or Montroll.
>
>
>Er .... Lar, not every book by Robert Lang would be suitable for
>folder-wannabes, I think. Remember that book we dubbed 'Origami for the
>Masochist'? Can't remember what the actual title is, but it features a
>collection of creepy crawlies with lots of sticky-out bits. We should
>rule that out :o).

HAHAHAHAHA!!  I stand *very* corrected! :)  (It was Origami Insects and
their Kin btw :)  Lang can get very complicated, but the models are really
really cool .... even if I haven't devoted much time to folding them yet!
Montroll is also a wonderful and complex fold designer.

Weldon should check out online diagrams too, since he can't get to a
bookstore today.  There are so many available it's hard to think where to
start first!  Probably leap off from Joseph's Wu's links to find more
specific projects.  I think pretty well any origami book he can find will
have the standardized symbols listed in the front.

BTW, I live in Ontario and I have heard of a Montreal Origami society, so
he might be able to find them as well.  I think some of the list membership
are probably from his area and can be of more direct assistance :)

Later!

Lar

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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 14:56
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

Hi!

"The Fortune Lady" might be translated as "La Dame aux Sorts", which sounds
rather like medieval romance.

A fortune-teller (woman)is called in French " la diseuse de bonne aventure",
and as a popular character (in cartoons, for example)is often called "Madame
Irma". Since fortune-tellers are usually depicted as middle-aged or elderly
gipsy women, you're not likely to find anything with "Belle", but
Italian-sounding names might be more plausible.

Hope this helps you,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of K. A.
Lundberg
Sent: Donnerstag, 20. April 2000 00:23
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

Any one know how to say "The Fortune Lady" in French?  It would be nice if
it included the word "Belle".

Thanks,
Kalei





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 14:56
Subject: Re: Transforming 3D Geometric models.

Doug,

   I think that the 90 piece modular that you refer to is mine, from
3D Geometric Origami. Dimpled Dodecahedron Ball.
   12 five sided cones and 30 hinges.
   At last year's convention, Doug Caine displayed a 270 piece model
made in a similar fashion but based on a truncated icosahedron. It
had 12 five sided cones, 20 six sided cones and 90 hinges.
   Actually, the cone module is Lewis Simon's, the hinge and assembly
method is mine.

Rona





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:28
Subject: Re: Stephen O'Hanmlon on Copyright: a Clarification

Kenneth  Kawamura comments on my posting on Copyright and Patent Law as it
applies to origami. and suggests that  drawing one's own diagrams by pulling
to pieces an origami model would be a breach of the copyright of other
digrams for the model.

I wholly agree that any diagram which was in any way derivative of other
diagrams would be a breach of copyright. So, re-staging a photograph would,
indeed be a violation of copyright of the original because it was derivative.
But what I am thinking of are diagrams drawn entirely de novo from an
analysis of the folded model and not in any way a copy or derived from or
influenced by any previously published diagrams.

It is a difficult and subtle distintcion. As my caveat indicated, the law of
copyright differs in many particulars between different countries, even if
they are all signatories to the Berne convention. I do not pretend to be an
expert in the United States law of Copyright (or even, in my  retired
demented condition, an expert in the English law of copyright). I should love
to take up the subject in detail, but life is simply too short and I prefer
to study origami in preference to copyright.

Kenneth writes that as far as he can tell, in United States law the whole of
the work is copyrighted, internals and all. But I must point our that this is
very different from the analysis made by the legal advisers to OrigamiUSA. I
should like to think that Kenneth is right and that this coincides with my
own dim glimerings on the subject, which I mentioned. But, in all honesty, I
do not knowand I suspect that Kenneth is wrong.

Oh for an inexhausatible fund of money that would enable us to test every
fine point  of the law of copyright as it applies to origami in the courts of
every substantial country in the world. But I'm afraid that that is just a
pipe-dream.

I'm frantically building up to my trip to Japan, so I reget that I shall not
be able to conitnue this discussion until I return. But I am deeply
interested in it and really  gragteful for all comment, adverse or otherwise.
My regrets are for those subscibers for whom copyright is a closed book or
simply anathema.

David Lister.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:28
Subject: Re: Bronze Rectangle

I'm delighted that Dave Mitchell thought of the Bronze rectngle before I did.

I'm all in favour of platinum, gold, silver and bronze rectangles triangles
and polyhedra of every kind, so long as the naming is kept consistent.

I look forward to taking up this theme again after I return form Japan. That
is unless my attention has by then been distracted by some other exotic idea
in the realm of origami.

What a wondrous realm we inhbit!

David Lister.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 16:38
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

Kristine Tomlinson wrote:

"Sure, "Madame LeNormande" :-)  Sorry I couldn't resist!

(For those who do not recognize her, she was Napoleon's fortune teller and
very popular in England when the Fortune Teller dolls were in use.  In fact,
I wonder if the "French connection" is one reason the folded fortunes in the
skirt were written in French ...)"

If my memory is correct, her name was Madame Lenormand (i.e. minus the final
e) and there is a particular Tarot deck that is attributed to her.

Regards,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 17:14
Subject: Re: Golden Rectangles

Kasahara's Origami Omnibus (page 72) has a simple folding method for
creating a golden rectangle.





From: THOKI YENN <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 17:28
Subject: Sv:      Re: Golden Rectangles

http://www.thok.dk/geometry.html
has a simple folding method for creating a golden rectangle
from American letter size paper.

greetings from the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.





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From: Eric Ladden <eladden@yourcornerstone.com>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 19:06
Subject: Can you help me?

Hi Maarten

Recently, I saw someone create a flower, including stem, from a single
paper napkin without tearing or gluing.  I've looked in libraries and
bookstores to no avail.  Do you know how to make such a flower or where
I might look to learn how?

Regards,
Eric





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 19:52
Subject: Modular and Patents

Doug, the model that I taught you was a Russian Model first taught in the US
by Elena Afonkin called the Morning Glory. I am sorry but I seem to have
accidental erased the message the Sergei sent me last year with the creators
last name. I remember him telling me that it translated into English as the
equivalent of Potter. It is 90 pieces, two book folds, two inside reverse
folds and some folds to make the tabs. Easy modular to fold. Unfortunately,
it takes glue to make it stable and it takes 90 units. Fortunately, it is a
great finished model. The finished model has two positions, closed it a
variation of a dodecahedron, i.e 12 pentagons. If you press down on the
center of the pentagon five little triangles pop up like a flower blooming.
More good news, Annie Pidel was practicing teaching it at Origami Sunday, so
that she is ready to teach it at convention. There are many people that know
it. The unit takes less than two minutes to learn. You need 30 in green as
connecting pieces and 12 sets of five in "flower" colors. It works well from
memo cubes since a stiff paper works well. Also Astro-bright works well.

There is a great Rotating Tetrahedron created by Tomoko Fuse in Top Origami
or Origami for the Connoisseur. The  Biddle's did a similar model out of a
long strip. I seem to remember seeing another rotating ring thingie in one
of the old Origamians.

Copyrights.

At work, I watch Intellectual Property Rights in the broadest of terms. In
Patent Law, the hot topic is process verse product patent. Some countries
only grant process patents which only protect the process to make a drug or
chemical but not the finished product. Under the new WTO rules, those
countries will have to switch to the more protective product patent. If
product patent law is applied then the finished look of the model. Then we
can start taking about patents of addition. If you use someone else"s base -
do you have to give credit to the creator and pay royalties.

One of my favorite models is the Carpa by Juan Gimeo who based it on
Montroll's barracuda who based it on his dog base.
Juan gives credit to Montroll in his original diagrams. I gave credit to Bob
Neale when I came up with my Paper Dragon. I think that it is polite, but
until there is real money to be made in origami there will be no case law
only morality.

Mark Kennedy





From: Weldon MacDonald <weldon.macdonald@SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:13
Subject: Re: I'm new

Lars wrote:
>BTW, I live in Ontario and I have heard of a Montreal Origami society, so
>he might be able to find them as well.  I think some of the list membership
>are probably from his area and can be of more direct assistance :)

I was wrong, the stores were open. I checked out the biggest and best Arts
and Craft stores and forgidaboutit!  A couple of kids kits, almost no books,
and some very expensive (imported from Japan) paper. I suppose I could get
all that over the internet, but Montreal was sounding pretty Origami poor
until I read this.  I'll see if I can find them. Anyone with a contact,
please let me know.

Weldon





From: Merida Weinstein <mekkisan@DRAGONBBS.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:21
Subject: Re: Settling into O List.

----------
From: DLister891@AOL.COM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Settling into O List.
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:21:40 -0400

<Curmudgeonly,

David Lister.>

But oh, so eloquently, David. Pray continue.

Merida





From: Weldon MacDonald <weldon.macdonald@SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:31
Subject: Re: Stephen O'Hanmlon on Copyright: a Clarification

The process your describing is called reverse engineering. The Computer
industry was built on this concept, both hardware and software.  Origami is
different than most art as it can be created by formula given that someone
has the necessary skill. If I look at a model and then find a way to
construct that model, then I have breached no copyright laws, even if the
method of construction is identical. Though I'm not sure how you'd prove
this one way or the other.
If I go to the library tomorrow, look at a book, teach myself to fold a
model, go home and fold it, take a picture of it and draw a diagram which I
then publish. I have definitely stolen someone's work, but how could it be
proven.
Weldon
----- Original Message -----
From: <DLister891@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Stephen O'Hanmlon on Copyright: a Clarification

Kenneth  Kawamura comments on my posting on Copyright and Patent Law as it
applies to origami. and suggests that  drawing one's own diagrams by pulling
to pieces an origami model would be a breach of the copyright of other
digrams for the model.

I wholly agree that any diagram which was in any way derivative of other
diagrams would be a breach of copyright. So, re-staging a photograph would,
indeed be a violation of copyright of the original because it was
derivative.
But what I am thinking of are diagrams drawn entirely de novo from an
analysis of the folded model and not in any way a copy or derived from or
influenced by any previously published diagrams.

It is a difficult and subtle distintcion. As my caveat indicated, the law of
copyright differs in many particulars between different countries, even if
they are all signatories to the Berne convention. I do not pretend to be an
expert in the United States law of Copyright (or even, in my  retired
demented condition, an expert in the English law of copyright). I should
love
to take up the subject in detail, but life is simply too short and I prefer
to study origami in preference to copyright.

Kenneth writes that as far as he can tell, in United States law the whole of
the work is copyrighted, internals and all. But I must point our that this
is
very different from the analysis made by the legal advisers to OrigamiUSA. I
should like to think that Kenneth is right and that this coincides with my
own dim glimerings on the subject, which I mentioned. But, in all honesty, I
do not knowand I suspect that Kenneth is wrong.

Oh for an inexhausatible fund of money that would enable us to test every
fine point  of the law of copyright as it applies to origami in the courts
of
every substantial country in the world. But I'm afraid that that is just a
pipe-dream.

I'm frantically building up to my trip to Japan, so I reget that I shall not
be able to conitnue this discussion until I return. But I am deeply
interested in it and really  gragteful for all comment, adverse or
otherwise.
My regrets are for those subscibers for whom copyright is a closed book or
simply anathema.

David Lister.





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:34
Subject: Re: Fumiaka Kawahata Dragonfly, BOS Magazine?

Thanks for the help guys. Will try to get the diagrams now. You always seem
to have the answers :)

Jake

>From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Fumiaka Kawahata Dragonfly, BOS Magazine?
>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:25 EDT
>
>It was in 3 parts over three BOS Magazines:
>
>Part 1 - June 1999 issue  196
>Part 2 - August 1999 issue 197
>Part 3 - October 1999 issue 198
>
>Hope this helps
>Dave

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From: ANN M KLEIMOLA <kleimola@UNLSERVE.UNL.EDU>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:50
Subject: Re: Modular and Patents

Mark,

Re the creator of the Morning Glory, does a last name of Goncharov strike
any bells?  That would be an equivalent of "potter."

Ann Kleimola





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:58
Subject: OUSA 2000 Conventioneers

I represent a group of three males planning to share a suite
in the FIT dorms. We're looking for a fourth to share the cost
for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. If you're interested,
please email me privately at:

mjnaught@crocker.com

Thanks!

Mike "Always (usually? occasionally?) up for new things" Naughton





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:41
Subject: Re: I'm new

> ... Montreal was sounding pretty Origami poor
> until I read this.  I'll see if I can find them. Anyone with a contact,
> please let me know.

Here's a list of places in Montreal that have been mentioned on the list.  I
have not personally visited any of them.  You can find my compilation of
origami sources at http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Au Papier Japonaise
(A branch of the The Japanese Paper Place)
24 Fairmont West, within a block of St. Laurent, just off the "Main"
Montreal
(514) 276-6863
The store is run by Stan Philips & Lorraine Pritchard

Brault & Bouthillier
Montreal ??
Paper and a few books.

Carton
4068 St-Denis Street
Montral, Quebec, H2W 2M5
(514) 844-9663
Paper.

Chapters
Ste-Catherine Street in Montreal, Quebec
A selection of origami books.

L'Oiseau Bleu
4146 Ste-Catherine East
Montral, Quebec
(514) 527-3456
Books and paper.

Le Valet de Coeur
St-Denis Street
Montral, Quebec
A little paper and some books.

Omer DeSerres
1228 Stanley Street, (514) 866-1011
St-Denis Street, (514) 284-2911
Ste-Catherine Street, (514) 842-6637
Montral, Quebecc H3B 2S7,
Paper and books.





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:49
Subject: Re: Andrew Goldenhersh

Oh -- Sorry. Yes that is the effect. Like I said it has been a while
since I saw the show, but I seem to remember the magician had a
butterfly prefolded (you could see the creasing - and it must be
relatively simple) and put a handkerchief over it and hey! Presto! It
"came to life." It did flutter with just the slightest of pinching
movements... really neat, but I would imagine it took quite a bit of
practice to get it to look right.

Is this book still available?

Dee

> But if the effect was the futterfly flaping it's wings and looking
> as though it came to life it may well be the "Fluttering Butterfly"
> in "Folding Money Fooling"  by Robert E Neale.  Published by
> Kaufman & Co.
>
> Joe





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:06
Subject: Re: Golden Rectangles

I usually skip the math part of the discussion. This time my math brain came
back to haunt me. I managed to solve it by folding without looking at
available solution and I did it. Anyway I checked my method with Thoki
Yenn's web site and other references and found they are the same. It's no
discovery at all. It surprised me that getting Golden rectangle is far
eazier than I thought. I generalized the method and put it on my site to
show how to fold-then-cut any rectangle (including square) into Golden
Rectangle. Enjoy. http://users.erols.com/sychen1/Diagram/rec2gld.pdf

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: THOKI YENN <thok@THOK.DK>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:06:57 -0400
Subject: Sv: Re: Golden Rectangles

http://www.thok.dk/geometry.html
has a simple folding method for creating a golden rectangle
from American letter size paper.

greetings from the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.





From: Lar deSouza <fresco@SENTEX.NET>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:07
Subject: Re: I'm new

Weldon,

>I was wrong, the stores were open. I checked out the biggest and best Arts
>and Craft stores and forgidaboutit!  A couple of kids kits, almost no books,
>and some very expensive (imported from Japan) paper. I suppose I could get
>all that over the internet, but Montreal was sounding pretty Origami poor
>until I read this.  I'll see if I can find them. Anyone with a contact,
>please let me know.

Arts and Crafts stores seem to have a surprising lack of good origami
books.  If you've got a Chapters or Indigo nearby, they generally have a
good selection among the stacks and stacks of books :)  You're going to
have to hunt for paper though.  Lewiscraft in Ontario carries great origami
paper from the Japanese Paper Place.  You can get good colours and quantity
for reasonable prices.  I don't think Michael's carries JPP stuff.
Imported Japanese paper is a joy to work with, but it is pricey.

I found this url for Origami Montreal:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/8802/

I hope this helps :)  Later!

Lar

**********
The Many Faces of Lar
http://www.sentex.net/~fresco/faces

The ArtGuys:
http://www.internet.com/~artboy





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:09
Subject: Origami Fantasy?

Hi everyone,
Is "Origami Fantasy" still available in any way, shape, or form? I have
had a number of requests through my Web site in the last few days from
people who have said that Sasuga, Fascinating Folds, and other origami
suppliers and bookstores are unable to find this book...

-Eric :-P
http://www.paperfolding.com

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
/    Mathematics, Music             ~  ~ __o            \
\     and Origami                 ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
         *** http://www.paperfolding.com ***





From: "Dennis W. Manasco" <dmanasco@IONET.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:13
Subject: Re: Fuse Book Identification

David Lister told me that the Fuse book I asked about was called
"Let's Connect and make it - Origami Chains"

Thanks David. I appreciate it. I too would like to know how you get
all of that out of two Japanese words. I have thought about studying
(written) Japanese, but every time I look into it it seems a
monumental task with no clear starting point.

Janet Hamilton pointed me to the link
<http://members.aol.com/rrosalinda/Fuse.html>, which lists the
English titles of a number (all?) of Fuse's books by ISBN.

Thank you for this reference Janet (and thanks to Rosalinda Sanchez
for creating it). This is a wonderful resource for those of us who
love to fold Fuse's creations. (Or just love to look at some of the
ones for which a knowledge of written Japanese seems to be essential
to figuring out what to do.)

Thanks again,

-=-Dennis

dmanasco@ionet.net





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:13
Subject: Robert Lang's Roosevelt Elk

Has anyone successfully folded this besides Robert?





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:13
Subject: Re: Andrew Goldenhersh

> the magician had a butterfly prefolded and put a handkerchief
> over it and hey! Presto! It "came to life." It did flutter with just the
> slightest of pinching movements
>
> Is this book still available?
>
> Dee

Yes,
You can get it through OUSA's web site........
http://www.origami-usa.org/
Click on the boat to enter the site then click on shoping ($ shirt
top right).  Next click on Money folds. "Folding Money Fooling"
will be near the end, Price: $35.00.

This is a large hardcover book with dustcover and 146 pages.
Acording to OUSA it contains 21 models (I have the book but
never counted).  A lot of the folds are geared towards magic
but it also contains puzzles and action folds.  The book is well
worth the price just for "Rabbit Redux" (a.k.a. Bunny Bill),
"Snake Basket" and "Fluttering Butterfly".

"Rabbit Redux" is an action/magic money fold that looks like
a magicians top hat, complete with pop-up bunny!
"Snake Basket" is like Rabbit Redux but it is a cobra that comes
out of a basket.   And "Fluttering Butterfly" you know.

Also of note are "Pearching Parrot",  a Parrot that balances on
the tip of a finger and rocks back and forth  And
"Seven clever Bills" How to fold all the pieces for the clasic
Chinese Tanagram puzzle from money.

PapaJoe





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:13
Subject: Re: Pentagons, Platinum and Golden Rectangles

Hi, Ron Arruda
>
> Having a pentagon to work from in the first place is wonderful for the 72

> degree angle-building, but making that pentagon is by no means easy, and
> my impression is that there are only several "approximating" methods for
> getting to the pentagon, yes?
>
Waaaaah! I didn't say from a pentagon, only to use one of its properties.
(Anyway, thank you Tom, for helping out on the pentagon bit.) It is very
easy to fold, from a Golden Rectangle, the Platinum Rectangle, Dave
Mitchell's term for one whose diagonals cross at 72 degrees. If anyone is
interested, I'll send him/her the diagrams. (Had to sacrifice part of my
easter holiday to make sure this can be done in 4 steps.)

The Platinum Rectangle has interesting potential for paperfolding. For
starters, folding the Penrose tiles is a breeze.

Happy folding!

Cheng Chit





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:26
Subject: Re: Pentagons

Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU> sez

> However, you can see some of these methods
>yourself in the paper "Searching for optimal polygon" by
>David Dureisseix on the Origami Interest Group ftp site:

Better than that, there's an article by him, with diagrams at the BOS
web site under "theory". Contributions for this section (and others) are
always welcomed...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:26
Subject: Bronze Rectangle

David Lister wrote:

>I'm delighted that Dave Mitchell thought of the Bronze rectangle before I
did.

Hmmm ... this wasn't what I was trying to suggest .... though I admit it did
read like that .... just being over pedantic again .... all I was really
trying to share was the overall '4 rectangles' idea.

Scott Cramer wrote:

>I dimly recall reading in the archives, or possibly on a web page, that
>Jeanine Mosely independently proposed calling those proportions the 'Bronze
>Rectangle'.

Well, let's take it as proposed, seconded and thirded then.

Not so sure about the platinum designation though. Only mentioned that to
see if anyone could take things further.

Leong Cheng Chit wrote:

>Why shouldn't it be easy to construct (by folding, of course) a rectangle
>whose diagonals cross at 72 degrees? We can use a property of the regular
>pentagon, whose diagonals divide each of the corners into 3 equal angles of
>36 degrees

Thanks for the idea. I'll play around with it.

Dave Mitchell





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:27
Subject: Re: I'm new

At 11:05 PM 00-04-24 -0400, you wrote:
>Weldon,
>
>Arts and Crafts stores seem to have a surprising lack of good origami
>books.  If you've got a Chapters or Indigo nearby, they generally have a
>good selection among the stacks and stacks of books :)

Chapters in Montreal used to have a VERY good selection, but they've
slacked off lately.  Newly published books arrive, disappear, and are not
replaced.  the shelves are a mess--you have to go through the entire
section to find books that are scattered willy-nilly.  Indigo was cleaner
when I went, but I wasn't impressed with their selection(in any dep"t) and
never returned.

                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:27
Subject: advantage of using different starting shapes

 I'd like to chime in. Using different starting shapes for origami,
especially modulars has a great advantage, an engineering
or mathematical one, namely the ability to apply *abstraction*
principles. One can see an essential underlying algorithm, that is
independent of the starting shape. I call these sets of modules
'systems' and have emphasized them in our books and spoken about
them at conferences. For surprising examples of related folds see
www.wcsu.ctstateu.edu/~gurkewitz/homepage.html

Rona





From: Sf2p4 <Sf2p4@BMW.DE>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:36
Subject: Antwort: Models which can be folded from both a square and a rectangle

Marcia,

   Your inquiry brought to mind a box in Tomoko Fuse's "New World of Origami 2"
book (ISBN 4-480-87142-X). It's called "Body of Hexagonal Box 2" (pp. 58 - 61),
and the diagrams show it being folded from a rectangle (i.e. not a square, to be
exact:-) I'm not big on mathematics:-) ). However, on p. 61, Fuse encourages the
reader to try and fold it from a square or a different rectangle. However, this
doesn't result in different patterns but just in different "diameters" and
heights of the finished boxes. I've only folded this from squares so far, so I
don't know whether stability may be affected (though I suspect it would be).

         Tina





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 14:01
Subject: Re: Robert Lang's Roosevelt Elk

folded? yes.   successfully? no.
~A

>From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Robert Lang's Roosevelt Elk
>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:34:47 -0700
>
>Has anyone successfully folded this besides Robert?

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From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 16:24
Subject: 3rd Origami Science, Math, and Education Meeting

Hello all!

The following is a preliminary announcement.  Stay tuned for more
details in the future.  Mark your calendars!
----- Tom Hull

----------------------------------------------------

                OrigamiUSA announces a

                    CALL FOR PAPERS

                        for the
               3rd International Meeting of
           Origami Science, Math, and Education
                    March 9-11, 2001
                      Asilomar, CA

In 1989 and 1994 the first two meetings devoted to origami
research and applications in math and science were held in
Italy and Japan, respectively.  OrigamiUSA is proud to
sponsor the third such meeting, to be held at Asilomar in
Monterey, CA on March 9-11, 2001.

At this time we are announcing a "call for papers"
for this meeting.  Researchers and practitioners of origami in
mathematics, the sciences, and education at all levels are
encouraged to submit abstracts of talks they would like to present.
Abstracts should be brief, 10-20 lines long, and if accepted will be
published in the meeting program.  Feel free, however, to include
other information, like papers or illustrations.  Accepted speakers
will be invited to include a paper of their talk in a Proceedings
which will be published after the conference.  Please send your
abstracts to

Dr. Thomas Hull
Department of Mathematics
Merrimack College
315 Turnpike Street
North Andover, MA 01845  USA

Or email them to thull@merrimack.edu

The deadline for submitting abstracts is September 1, 2000.

Details about registration for this meeting will be forthcoming.
Further information about this meeting will be posted on the
OrigamiUSA web page <http://www.origami-usa.org> and at
<http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/osm/osm.html>





From: Eric Ladden <eladden@YOURCORNERSTONE.COM>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 17:07
Subject: looking for help

Hi, I'm looking for help. Recently, I saw someone make a flower,
including stem, from a cocktail napkin.  No tears, no glue just a single

napkin.  I've looked in book stores and libraries and can't find
anything.  Does anyone know how this can be done or where I might look
to find out?

Thanks,
E





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 18:08
Subject: Russian Creator

>Re the creator of the Morning Glory, does a last name of Goncharov strike
>any bells?  That would be an equivalent of "potter."

The name does not ring a bell except that it is close to my wife's last
name, Gorchov.
I think that if it was that close I would remeber it. I searched my letter
files yesterday for half an hour. I saw it last week and knew that I should
save it.

I get the list in digest form and use it as a break at the end of the work
day. Or at this time of year before I start working through the night.

As an exboss use to say, " That is why they call it a deadline instead of a
funline!"

Mark





From: drlouise <drlouise@GATEWAY.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 18:19
Subject: Re: Pikachu

The Computer Teacher and Math Teacher at Roton Middle School found a very
sweet Pikachu-Origami site--4 simple models, illustrated with photographs
http://www.ldsjapan.com/english/origami/origami2.htm





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:07
Subject: Re: Pikachu

>The Computer Teacher and Math Teacher at Roton Middle
School found a very
>sweet Pikachu-Origami site--4 simple models, illustrated
with photographs
>http://www.ldsjapan.com/english/origami/origami2.htm
>

Too bad those photo illustrations  leave steps out...





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:14
Subject: Quick Creation & Suggestions !

Hi I'm in need of some help regarding the design of models. I've just
been invited to do an origami creation on request for a theater
restaurant.
The idea is the crowd call out a model (probably something unusual) and
i get 20 min to fold. I need ideas on possible models and methods of
fast design. I'm a fairly fast folder but design normally takes a lot
longer.
They could have asked me something simpler like juggling 4 clubs on a
unicycle.
Any help or even possible request would be great.

Regards

Darren





From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:16
Subject: Origami Fantasy

I just got my copy of Origami Fantasy.  :D

Yes they still are available.





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:49
Subject: Re: OUSA 2000 Conventioneers

Thanks to everyone who replied - we have found a room-mate,
so I think we're all set. We're looking forward to seeing everyone
in June. . . .

-----Original Message-----
From:   Michael J. Naughton [SMTP:mjnaught@CROCKER.COM]
Sent:   Monday, April 24, 2000 8:56 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        OUSA 2000 Conventioneers

I represent a group of three males planning to share a suite
in the FIT dorms. We're looking for a fourth to share the cost
for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. If you're interested,
please email me privately at:

mjnaught@crocker.com

Thanks!

Mike "Always (usually? occasionally?) up for new things" Naughton





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:59
Subject: Re: 3rd Origami Science, Math, and Education Meeting

Hi Tom,

Is the 1st proceedings available? I heard it was hard to locate.

Thanks!

Robert
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From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 23:24
Subject: April 30 deadline on auction

Hi all,

There are not many bids on the auction items so I thought I'd give you
a last public chance to see where they stand. Email me privately with bids or
updates of this list. I'll keep all bidders posted on the status of their bids.

Doug Phillips has generously offered these duplicate books.

         Seres De Ficcion - El Lado Oscuro De La Papiroflexia (Models
                  from Mario  Andrados Netto and J. Anibal Voyer Iniesta...$13

        Joyful Life with Origami by Makoto Yamaguchi...$15

        Mette Units 5 - by Mette Pederson...$5

        Bringing Origami to Life - by John Montroll...$5

        Origami Tanteidan 5th Convention Collection - Origami Tanteidan/Origami
                House...$10

        Divertitevi con L'Origami 64 models by Alfredo Guinta -- this is _not_
        the
                "insects" book, but it does have a few butterflies in it. ;-)
                $20

Toby Schwartz has rounded up all the Annuals from Marla Kleinman and
        Josephine Ambrosio for the last auction and now these from Josephine
            Ambrosio.

        Origami Magic by Florence Temko...$5

        Paper Pandas and Jumping Frogs by Temko...$5

        Origami Toys by Toshie Takahama...$5

        Origami: Art of Paper Folding by Harbin

        Origami for the Enthusiast by Montroll

        Animal Origami for the Enthusiast by Montroll

        Alpine Flowers by Yoshide Momotami....$5

Florence Temko offers two out of print booklets which I'm sure she'll

           autograph for the high bidder:

         Funny Money by Temko....$10

         For Your Eyes Only by Temko.....$10

Anne Kleimova offers.

     Donovan A. Johnson, PAPER FOLDING FOR THE MATHEMATICS CLASS,
           $10
        published by the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics,
        1957, 32 pp., cover slightly stained, a few creases.

I still have one last Origami Page-a-Day Calendar with a slight tear on the
        corner of the box.  $5

Bidding ends on April 30 so, as you can see, there are bound to be some good
bargains here.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Apr 2000 04:07
Subject: My New Web Site

Dear members of the list,

You are cordially invited to view my new web site (first and only) at:

http://members.aol.com/maytom431/

There's not much there yet, but I have diagrammed one of my insects.

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 26 Apr 2000 04:31
Subject: Re: My New Web Site

I couldn't find the insect diagrams......

(And on Netscape the page is HUGE, the text is in the top left and I can
scroll around over a massive area).

-------------------------
        Allan   (ICQ 65208096)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom May [mailto:MayTom431@AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:05 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: My New Web Site

Dear members of the list,

You are cordially invited to view my new web site (first and only) at:

http://members.aol.com/maytom431/

There's not much there yet, but I have diagrammed one of my insects.

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: 26 Apr 2000 05:06
Subject: Re: Bronze Rectangle

Hi all,

Yesterday there were some mails on bronze and platinum rectangles. These
mentioned also silver and gold ones.

Could somebody give me the ratios of these rectangles??
I missed the list over the Easter weekend, so i may have missed something. But
the mails from the last few days are not yet in the archives.

Greetings,

Mirjam.
--------
All theoretical chemistry is really physics;
and all theoretical chemists know it. -- Richard P. Feynman
