




From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 12:31
Subject: $ folds

Just a quick plea from those of us not fortunate to live in the USA (!)
When folk diagram dollar folds, please include the note's dimensions!  I
happen to live in a country (Australia) where all notes are the same width,
but get longer as the value increases.  The smallest note is $5 (and we
don't tip), and all notes are made of plastic, so the opportunity of folding
REAL money, at least in my household, is ZERO.  I know I could make a search
and find the dimensions required, but it would save a lot of angst if those
wonderful diagrammers could just put the dimensions somewhere on the page,
even if you have to use inches!!

On a much happier note, can I wish all those who celebrate and/or have a
holiday at this time all the best - I have a couple of weeks off, so there
should be a few less complaints from me for a while!  Hopefully I shall find
the time to fold from all those wonderful diagrams I have downloaded from
the web!!!

Clare the Easter bilby of the West (rabbits are feral while bilbies are
native and endangered - mostly killed by those bloody cats everyone raves
about ;-)





From: Steve Hecht <hecht@MAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:19
Subject: Re: $ folds

> From: Chamberlain, Clare <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
> To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:31 PM
> Subject: $ folds
> Just a quick plea from those of us not fortunate to live in the USA (!)
> When folk diagram dollar folds, please include the note's dimensions!  I
> happen to live in a country (Australia) where all notes are the same width,
> but get longer as the value increases.  The smallest note is $5 (and we
> don't tip), and all notes are made of plastic, so the opportunity of folding
> REAL money, at least in my household, is ZERO.  I know I could make a search
> and find the dimensions required, but it would save a lot of angst if those
> wonderful diagrammers could just put the dimensions somewhere on the page,
> even if you have to use inches!!

This may help:  a nice technique for cutting dollar-proportioned rectangles
     from a
square or 8.5" x 11" rectangle.  (Thanks to Gay Merrill Gross.)  The URL is:
http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm
It's at the very bottom.  The diagrams include some useful ratios.

--Steve Hecht





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 15 Apr 2000 20:13
Subject: Re: $ folds

Subject: $ folds

> Just a quick plea from those of us not fortunate to live in the USA (!)
> When folk diagram dollar folds, please include the note's dimensions!  I
> happen to live in a country (Australia) where all notes are the same
width,
> but get longer as the value increases.

All US paper $ is the same size approximately 3 x 7 (3 units by 7 units).
Each
unit could be inches, centimeters, or whatever you want.  The important
thing
is that the "proportions" are 3 x 7.
If you want to make paper actual size you can use 2 5/8 inches by
6 3/16 inches  or  6.6 cm x 15.8 cm.

(Now you know why everyone uses 3 x 7)

I hope this helps :-)

> On a much happier note, can I wish all those who celebrate and/or have a
> holiday at this time all the best

Thanks! And a Happy Easter to you!

> Clare the Easter bilby of the West (rabbits are feral while bilbies are
> native and endangered - mostly killed by those bloody cats everyone raves
> about ;-)

What you need to do is train those darn Cane Toads to protect those Bilbies
;-)

Joe





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 02:33
Subject: Re: $ folds

Dear Clare,

I think your suggestion is a good one. Just in case you run into $bill folds
without dimensions listed, however, you can get a good $bill substitute using
a 3/7 ratio in any units.

Happy folding, Tom May





From: DEBORAH CLAYPOOL <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 03:40
Subject: new on internet, new on list, FOLD

      Hello.   Golly, this is different from my original origami quest.
I understand a bio is in order and my original quest appears to be the
tale of the moment.
     As a girl, Mother gave me a kit on kirigami for Christmas.  Found
inside was a flyer, "See also our kit on origami."  Mother suggested I
look origami up in the card catalogue where I found "The Chinese Art of
Paperfolding" by Maying Soong(sp?) and memorized the Blow Up Bunny (a
modified waterbomb).  I loved to wow folks with what I could do - just
that one fold.  Next Christmas I received a Robert Harbin text and for
years and years never found another soul in Memphis who knew what
origami was.  One of my favorite memories is quieting kids during
babysitting "separation anxiety" with "Guess what I can do with a sheet
of paper!"  I always liked the performance aspect best.
     Many years later as a young adult I tried to locate others who
either liked origami or who read science fiction.  I wrote to the
address in Robert Harbin's book for the Friends of the Origami Society
and the letter was returned as the address was out of date.  While I was
busy exploring science fiction fandom, I joined an apa (amateur press
alliance) named Myriad which I very much enjoyed.
    Still trying to find origami enthusiasts, I wrote a letter to Robert
Harbin and sent it to his publisher to please forward.  I got a letter
from Mike Guy, the secretary for the British Origami Society, saying R.
Harbin had died and his estate had passed my letter to him and did I
want to join the British Origami Society?
     One day, I got an annual membership directory from BOS and realized
there were quite a few members there who were from the USA and decided
to see if I could start an origami apa.  I produced a mass mailing on my
apple //e suggesting such a thing and the result was the first origami
apa - FOLD.
     Just the other day, (before yesterday when I entered the world of
internet) my brother who does play on the internet informed me he saw a
copy of FOLD for sale on E-Bay.  I just read the info (Hi Florence) that
indicates ya'll (I'm still in Memphis) have been discussing it.  I
actually dropped out of FOLD because I was always at a loss for what to
talk about origami and I was the one needing to be overly personal.  All
my zines are copyrighted. There were never more than a very few issues.
I'm not worried.  And Florence is right, most folks began being more
reserved once a courtesy historical issue was given to Friends.
    But it is worth a moment's pause to think that I have been on the
internet scant hours and have hooked into this group.  Quite a different
tale.
    I look forward to hearing from any and all old FOLD members who
remember me and any and all who would like to meet me via this list.

                                          Deb





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Apr 2000 06:04
Subject: Re: Origami History

Courtney Winter asks:

> I was just wondering if anyone had a website with the history of Origami in
>  it somewhere. I am stuck doing a research report.

In addition to the sites alfready mentioned in other replies,  look at John
Smith's succinct summary of facts of origami history on his own Web site,
Bits of Smith at:

http://www.paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/bitsofsmith.htm

Look, too, at the British Origami Society Web Site:

http://www.britishorigami.org.uk

At this site, at the section under my own name. There is, there, a sizeable
collection of my postings to Origami-L, many of which contain out-of-the-way
information about different aspects of Orgami history.

An authoratitive history of Origami has yet to be written. For Japanese
history, Masao Okamura has written much, but unfortuntely for us Westerners,
most, but not all, of which he has written is in Japanese.

But beware. Much wrong information has been written about origami history and
the errors are frequently repeated from one article to another, by people who
have not checked their references or done any original research and who have
jumped to unjustifiable conclusions.

In particular, guard against the assumption that Origami was necessarily
Japanese in origin. (This is not to deny the enormous contibution that the
Japanese have made to paperfolding, generally.) Paperfolding _may_ have
originated in Japan, but we simply do not have the historical facts of the
matter. It is possible that it's true origin was in China, but again, we
cannot make any assertions..

There is also a very long European tradition of paperfolding and folding of
cloth and, in fact, the earliest Western references to folding  are as old as
those from Japan. (There are scarcely any records of Japanese recreational
paperfolding in Japan beofre 1600.) Did Western origami come from Japan,
possibly by the sea routes, or did it come overland, perhaps from China by
the silk route? Or did Eurpean paperfolding arise spontaneously in Europe
quite independently of oriental paperfolding? It is easy to make facile
assumptions, but there is insufficient historical evidence to make any kind
of  definite assertion.

It is often confidently stated, too, that paperfolding was introduced into
Spain by the Moors. The Moors and Arabs certainly intoduced paper-making into
Spain and it is possible that a few simple folds came with the art of making
paper. But once again, there is no evidence.

The alleged similarity of paperfolding crease patterns to Moorish abstract
design has sometimes been used as an argument for the derivation of Spainish
paperfolding form the Moors. However, Moorish abstract designs are very
different from paperfolding patterns and are based on very different
principles. I have been unable to see any connection. On the other hand, the
Moors may have used a simple kind of paperfolding to design some of their
simpler tile patterns (See Peter Engle: Folding the Universe, pp. 27-28).
This is however not origami as we know it and I do not accept Engel's
assertion of the connection between Moorish tiling patterns and the kind of
paperfolding  practised by the philosopher Unamuno.

So, the advice is to gather information from as mny different sources as
possible  and to weigh one source carefully against another. Be critical and
do not jump to assumptions. The history of origami is still being written and
there is much work to be done. The more workers if the field that there are,
the better.

David Lister.

Grimsby, Engtland

DLister891@AOL.com





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Apr 2000 06:53
Subject: Re: new on internet, new on list, FOLD

Welcome to our new subscriber, Deborah Claypole. It's wonderful to have you
on the List. I have the warmest memories of FOLD, which was started by you
and which continued six times a year for some 67 issues. I didn't know
before, jist how you came to Origami.

Bimonthly FOLD was a stern discipline, but it got me working on the history
of rigami and from it I began to appreciate just how diverse is this art of
ours.

You will find that many of your old colleagues of FOLD have now found a home
in Origami-L (It's not as good as FOLD was, but not at all to to be sniffed
at!) There is not the same instistance that FOLD had of a substanital
contribution every two months and you will find that many of us "lurk", to
bob up unexpectedly now and again.

The auction of a copy of FOLD really is a coincidence. I fully appreciate
Dorothy's and Florence's reservations about the sale of copies of FOLD. But
on the other hand copies are historical documents in their own right and I am
sure when the history of Origami in our own time comes to be written, future
historians will pore over them to find clues to just what was happening in
western Origami in the 80s and 90s. And there are so few copies in
existence.. With only a maximum of twenty members and copies for the Friends
and Lillian, if all copies had been preserved, a complete edition would be
much rarer than than any commercially produced book. But I know that not all
members preserved their copies, but treated them like the magazines they
purported to be. Some generously lent them to friends, or perhaps threw them
out after a time with the old newspapers. But nothing will erase the
friendships we made in FOLD or the gratitude we feel for those members who
are no longer with us.

Let's hope you will enjoy to the full your membership of Origami-L (as we
still affectionaltely term the Origami List.)

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 08:55
Subject: Re: new on internet, new on list, FOLD

Welcome Deb!

Though I was never a member of FOLD, I often write autobiographical
details of my life into places that would, sooner or later, become de
facto public domain. People just love to read details of others' lives,
and in a real sense our lives are open books. Voyerism is a relatively
harmless form of invasion of privacy, compared to more mean-spirited uses
that the commercial world has for our personal information.

The other side of voyerism is exhibitionism: an attitude who prevalence
is under-reported and under-rated.

Ron Arruda





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 10:01
Subject: Re: cats

Pete,

Have you ever seen those abstract kittens in _Origami
for the Connoisseur_? Are they Kasahara's? Do I have
the right book? Sorry for the uncertainty.

Anyways, I like how they look. They express a lot of
emotion through their large eyes.

Regards,

Carmine

--- Peter Muller <Pemul2197@CS.COM> wrote:
> who knows good cat models?
>                                 Pemul2197@cs.com
>

=====
-------
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From: John Smith <pureland@WAITROSE.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:48
Subject: re History

David Lister as usual gives a masterly summary of the present postion of
research into origami History. I share his concern at people who will
publish speculation as though it was fact. There are many sites on the web
which fail to distinguish between the two. In one or two cases the site
appears to have connections with a University and yet publish speculation as
fact. As a result many people repeat the text believing it to be true
because it appears to come from a University.
David is kind enough to mention my Notes on the History of Origami but the
address is out of date.

the site is at
WWW.users.waitrose.com/~pureland

John Smith





From: Gilad Aharoni <gaharoni@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 22:30
Subject: Site update - diagrams improved

Hi all.

Just wanted to let you know that I've played with MS paint a bit and updated
all the diagrams on my site.
I fixed the few errors that people reported, the files are cleaner and more
compact  (I switched them from JPG to GIF format) and the
most impotant improvement - all traces of my horrid handwriting are gone, in
favor of a much friendlier font...

Sorry if you already printed them... I'm learning how to do this right the
hard way...

Enjoy
            Gilad
            http://GiladAharoni.homestead.com





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 13:07
Subject: Re: $ folds

Hi there,

US dollar bills are just about in a ratio of 3 to 7. A method of obtaining
these from a square is available in Montroll's origami sculptures. If you
use A4 sized paper, like we do in the UK and around europe, then the strip
left over from cutting off a square from this is approx 3 x 7 - suitable for
most bill folding, although not quite precise enough for models like Engel's
dollar bill crab.

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon MA(oxon) MB.BChir(cantab)
Origami Web page  - http://www.geocities.com/paperfolder.geo
Visit this site!  - http://www.thehungersite.com

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 13:23
Subject: BOS conference

I've finally finished reading two week's worth of e-mail, most of it
Origami-L, offers for 'herbal viagra', 'you too could be earning millions',
etc.

It is sad to hear about Perry Bailey. I enjoyed his website and his comments
on the list and he will be sadly missed. My thoughts go out to his family.

Regarding origami history - I'm trying to write an essay that can go on my
website but the comments from David Lister and John Smith have put me off
again - brave is the person who can compose a piece readable by all that is
moderatley accurate!

I attended the BOS spring meeting in Cambridge this weekend and had a great
time. Many thanks for the warm welcome that everyone gave me. If anyone
living in the UK is thinking of attending, I would highly recommend it. It
gave me a chance to meet several origami notables. Robert Lang was present,
and taught a splendid carp. I taught him a simple bunny (which he turned
into a 3D masterpiece) and how to fold John McEnroe from a #10 note - Robert
swears it looks more like John Montroll, which is somewhat ironic. I also
met the brilliant Eric Joisel, whose work I have always considered to be
jaw-droppingly amazing. I've seen some of his models on the web, they are
even more impressive in real life. He is also stark raving mad!

I took my digital camera with me - I've put the least blurred snaps up in
the gallery section of my webpage.

I'll also be putting the diagrams for the squirrel that I taught up soon -
the rabbit and procompsognathus are already available.

One other bit of good news - I've finally gotten onto a surgical training
program (or rotation) at Bedford hospital. So, hopefully in about threee
years time, I should be a 'Mister' again, with the letters MRCS. after my
name.

All the best,

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon MA(oxon) MB.BChir(cantab)
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From: Kelly Reed <Kelly@WHITING.LIB.IN.US>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 16:09
Subject: business card folds

Hi!

I was just wondering if anyone knows of any business card folds on the web?
     Hopefully something in the interemdiate range so I could possibly teach it
     to the groups I work with at the library.  Also at the library, we have
     lots of 3x5 cards that we no lo

Thanks,
Kelly
Whiting, IN





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:34
Subject: Brilliant Origami

What does everyone think of  David Brills book 'Brilliant Origami'?

Is it worth adding to my collection and are there any pictures of models from
the book on the web anywhere?

Oh and how often does he deviate from the true square... its not a whole book
based on the equilateral triangle is it?

Dave





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 19:33
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami

   Y'know, I'll be interested to hear the replies to this, myself... I've
been wondering if I should get a copy, too.

                                Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Stephenson" <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: April 17, 2000 5:34 PM
Subject: Brilliant Origami

> What does everyone think of  David Brills book 'Brilliant Origami'?
>
> Is it worth adding to my collection and are there any pictures of models
from
> the book on the web anywhere?
>
> Oh and how often does he deviate from the true square... its not a whole
book
> based on the equilateral triangle is it?
>
> Dave





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 01:55
Subject: Re: OUSA 1992 Convention book

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a copy of the 1992 OUSA convention book?
I dont think I can get this through OUSA, and I am trying to get the
diagrams for Giunta's butterfly from it. It is a spotted butterfly I
believe. Anyone have any info on getting the book from OUSA, or if not would
someone be willing to copy the diagrams for just that model for me? Thanks.

Jake Crowley
jakecrow@hotmail.com

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From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:13
Subject: Andrew Goldenhersh

Hi!

I saw a show about magic and magicians several months ago and wrote this
name down and promptly forgot to ask anyone about it.

There was a magician that did a "trick" with a butterfly folded out of a
dollar bill. He said the name of the person that taught him how to fold
the butterfly was named Andrew Goldenhersch. Anyone know where one could
find the diagrams and/or the explanation of the effect?

Dee





From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:23
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami

I own it and it's one of the first books I bought.  I will admit that I got
it used and the bookstore knows me, so I got quite a deal..but anywho, there
are some that do deviate off the true square, (roughly half, and only
because I don't want to count them all).  But I am not a perfectionist, and
I like the book anyway.  I use many of the models from the book for small
trinkets, and it has made me strive to be a better folder because, well,
goshdarnit, there are just some cool diagrams in it.  The variety of folds
include people, animals, boxes and other things, that due to my lack of
involvement in societies I never saw before.

Hope that it helps,

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From: THE' ORIGAMIMASTER <THE_ORIGAMIMASTER@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 22:00
Subject: LINGO

There is not the same instistance that FOLD had of a substanital
contribution every two months and you will find that many of us "lurk", to
bob up unexpectedly now and again.    : lister said .....;;;;
OK,  hi can someone please  explain "lurk", "thread",  and the saying:  " have
     a bob day"   i would have a better gist of the lingo here  ???????
THE' ORIGAMIMASTER





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 21:54
Subject: Fw: roses

Can anyone help the person finding directions for dollar bill roses?  Please
respond directly to her and not the list.

Thanks.

Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mariah5733@aol.com>

> Hi:Thanks for the great web page. Although I think you are the source I am
> looking for, for some reason I could not connect to the proper info. In
your
> pictures I saw a money fold rose. I have to attend a 80th birthday. At
that
> age there is not much one can give as a gift. Years ago I saw directions
to
> make dollar bill roses, but no longer have those directions,,,Can you help
me?
> Thanks  so much for your time
> Debra
> Mariah5733@aol.com





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:19
Subject: Re: Andrew Goldenhersh

Subject: Andrew Goldenhersh

> There was a magician that did a "trick" with a butterfly folded out of a
> dollar bill. He said the name of the person that taught him how to fold
> the butterfly was named Andrew Goldenhersch. Anyone know where one could
> find the diagrams and/or the explanation of the effect?

Well it would be hard to give an explanation of the effect,
you forgot to mention what the effect was :-)

But if the effect was the futterfly flaping it's wings and looking
as though it came to life it may well be the "Fluttering Butterfly"
in "Folding Money Fooling"  by Robert E Neale.  Published by
Kaufman & Co.

Joe





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 01:43
Subject: Re: LINGO

>Subject: LINGO
>OK,  hi can someone please  explain "lurk", "thread"

LURK........   To exist undiscovered or unobserved;
                      to stay hiden, ready to spring out
                      To lie in wait!

In other words He/She who reads the O-list but does not always
post.  One who sits and waits in the shadows (unseen and heard)
But sometimes, when the time is right,  will jump onto the open
and leave a post!  ;-)

And the saying:  " have a bob day"

Visit the web site listed in the same post and all will be made clear. :-)

Joe





From: Tom May <MayTom431@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 03:32
Subject: Re: business card folds

Dear Kelly,

Here are a couple:

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~vbeatty/origami/gate2.html
http://world.std.com/~j9/sponge/

The first is the Garden of Origami website. Click on "diagrams". Click on
"modular origami". Click on "business card module(Mosely/Stamm)" for a
business card module designed by Dr. Jeannine Mosely.

The second  site is Dr. Jeannine Mosley's "The Business Card Menger Sponge
Project".

Happy folding, Tom May





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:30
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami

'Brilliant Origami' is very aptly named. I have enjoyed owning a copy
immensely, and dip into it often. The working matchbox with matches inside
is a favourite of mine. Having met David on a number of occasions (most
recently at the BOS Convention this weekend), and learning what a first rate
good egg (shape) he is, makes this work particularly cherished.

Some of the models are easy, others technically challenging, and yet others
will appeal to those who are more 'arty' - the folding is straightforward,
but achieving a good model demands more than that.

As for being a deviant, Mr Brill uses various different shapes, including
squares, A4, 1xn rectangles, where n > 1 (I obviously haven't drunk enough
coffee yet today !) and, of course,  triangles.

If you are looking for a book with lots of different techniques and subject
matter, go get this one - you will not be disappointed, and nor will David,
I am sure.

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Stephenson <mailto:EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:34 AM
Subject: Brilliant Origami

> What does everyone think of  David Brills book 'Brilliant Origami'?
>
> Is it worth adding to my collection and are there any pictures of models
from
> the book on the web anywhere?
>
> Oh and how often does he deviate from the true square... its not a whole
book
> based on the equilateral triangle is it?
>
> Dave





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:02
Subject: Origami Freebies

If anyone on the list hasn't ordered from amazon before any of the following
could be yours for the taking:

A free pack of plain origami paper
or
24 sheets of 7" Animal Prints Origami Paper : (6 Different Patterns) for 5p
or
Fun With Bird Origami : 15 Projects and 24 Sheets of Origami Paper by John
Montroll for only 30p
or
Birds in Origami by John Montroll for 50p
or
Lots of other things (^_^)

If anyone's interested please contact me at eruditusd@aol.com

C'ya
Dave





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:08
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

I just wanted to thank everyone who responded about the Tokmo Fuse book, My
friend decided to go for 'Joyful origami Boxes' on your recommendations... Im
1/2 tempted to order a copy for myself (^_^)

Im tempted with Brills book but only 1/2 from a square... is the matchbox
with matches from a square?

Thanks,
Dave





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 15:08
Subject: Re: LINGO

On 17-Apr-00, Papa Joe (papajoe@CHORUS.NET) wrote:

>LURK........   To exist undiscovered or unobserved;
>                      to stay hiden, ready to spring out
>                      To lie in wait!

>In other words He/She who reads the O-list but does not always
>post.

If everyone on this list always replied to every mail on this list I
wouldn't be on this list.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

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From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:37
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

Dave indited:

>I just wanted to thank everyone who responded about the Tokmo Fuse book, My
>friend decided to go for 'Joyful origami Boxes' on your recommendations...
>Im
>1/2 tempted to order a copy for myself (^_^)

Its hard to go wrong with any Fuse book. ;-)

>Im tempted with Brills book but only 1/2 from a square... is the matchbox
>with matches from a square?

No. As others have pointed out, Brilliant Origami is a smorgasbord of stuff.
I'd highly recommend browsing it in a local bookstore before purchasing it,
unless you collect origami books, or like the models you've seen on the web
and elsewhere enough to want the book just for them. Advanced folders should
enjoy this book. Intermediate folders might find it frustrating.

My Buck two-fifty,
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From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:40
Subject: BOS booklet on ebay!

Hi everyone!

I've got really interested in this book at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=311337579
I'd just like to know, is it for sale anywhere else? Doesn't have to be
cheaper :)
Best wishes,
                  Anine

PS. The other day I designed a cube which is folded in a special way so I'm
hoping I'm onto something big :P Anyway I'm waiting for Scott Cramer to try
and fold it to hear what he says :)

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From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:19
Subject: Sightings

Often when friends see origami in a publications they let me know about it.
In this way I saw a beautiful giraffe, made from wallpaper, advertised by
York Wallpaper & Fabrics, on page 169 of "Martha Stewart Living." It looks
like real origami, not faked with cuts and glue. A flower in the paper
pattern falls just right to be the eye of the giraffe. Who did it?
    In the same issue on page 76 an article recommends four ways of "Wrapping
Flowers"  with paper. The "Folded Pocket" and "Paper Wrapping" are pure
origami.
    Perhaps Martha Stewart became aware of the potential of origami after Gay
Gross appeared on her show!
    All best from Florence.





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:37
Subject: Re: PCOC Report (long)

Howard,
    A long time ago, you wrote:
>I returned from PCOC Sunday night and thought that y'all might want a quick
>report.

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that!

-D'gou
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From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 11:45
Subject: Sad news  and 1000 cranes question

Hi folks,

I'm sorry to report that a coworker of mine was involved in a very serious
car accident this past Sunday. Also in the car were his pregnant ex-wife
with whom he was attempting reconciliation, and two 9 year old children, the
other 3 of their children weren't with them. His truck went off the road and
rolled 150' down hill while attempting to avoid an oncoming truck. His wife
and their 9 year old son were pronounced dead at the scene and his 9 year
old daughter is in intensive care with a fractured skull. Reports from this
morning are that his daughter is awake and starting to recognize people and
that he has been released with only minor injuries. He is staying at a hotel
near the hospital until his daughter recovers.

Is this a case where sending a 1000-cranes to him would be appropriate?

If so, would any of you be interested in helping me to make them? If so,
please email me privately so that we don't clutter the list with other
traffic.

Thanks very much,

Howard





From: Atsina <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 12:45
Subject: Re: Sightings

In the Easter issue there is a floral rhinoceros. Pretty neat.

Kim

Florence Temko wrote:
>
> Often when friends see origami in a publications they let me know about it.
> In this way I saw a beautiful giraffe, made from wallpaper, advertised by
> York Wallpaper & Fabrics, on page 169 of "Martha Stewart Living." It looks
> like real origami, not faked with cuts and glue. A flower in the paper
> pattern falls just right to be the eye of the giraffe. Who did it?
>     In the same issue on page 76 an article recommends four ways of "Wrapping
> Flowers"  with paper. The "Folded Pocket" and "Paper Wrapping" are pure
> origami.
>     Perhaps Martha Stewart became aware of the potential of origami after Gay
> Gross appeared on her show!
>     All best from Florence.





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:58
Subject: FOLD, Debra, & Cats.

Welcome to the Internet, Debra. It is a free flowing as an APA and just as
restrained.

I was close to the beginning of FOLD through to the end. I was initially a
bit concerned that someone was selling them on E-Bay. My first thought was
that someone had hit serious financial difficulties and started selling
their collection. The last OE failed in his commitments to put FOLD out and
quietly disappeared. I suspect that Bob Roos and Paul Krueger have/had extra
copies from their time served as Official Editor.

I was less concerned when I found out that it was Frances Inge's estate.
Francis was an early FOLD member and if I am correct an early FOCA member
within the first 100. By reference when I started in 1983, my number was
475.  Frances family is missing a lot of her family history by disposing of
FOLD. I am glad at least they are getting a good price.

I doubt that FOLD got really less personal when we collectively decided to
send copies to the FOCA library and Lillian. FOLD was mainly about what was
hot in Origami at the time and a fair amount of personal data to set it into
context. I think that we were so use to writing to each other we did not
care.

As to best cat models, David Brill has a good cat model. It has appeared in
the BOS Nottingham Convention Book last year as a few other European
magazines and convention books. The BOS also published a good seated cat by
GK Staller which was a variation (and improved) version of Kitamura. In
Safari Origami, Lionel Albertino, has a good Leopard and Lion. I was
particular impressed with the leopard since it had an extra flap to wrap
around the back seam to cover the white and the belly was sealed as well.
The Lion has  a great color change, it is the best lion in my opinion. I
just turned in a book review to OUSA on this book and the supply center has
copies (buy it now or wait to really pay for it on E-bay). Peter Engle's
tiger is a great cat model. In Randlett's book there is a Halloween cat that
makes a good decoration although it is from a cut bird base.

I must admit that I am not much of a cat lover. When questioned if I like
cats, I respond; "Yes, do you want to trade recipes?"

Mark Kennedy





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:16
Subject: Re: 3x5 card folds

Though not true origami, because of the use of a rubberband, Leaping Willy is
a fun fold using 2 3x5 cards.  It was taught to me by Mark Kennedy.  I do not
know if it is diagrammed but if you will contact me at ellisps@aol.com, with
your snail mail address I will send you a sample.

Pat Ellis





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 14:30
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami

It is the very third book of origami I ever owned (I still own)
I think it is a good book, but I think on some of the diagrams the colors
are filled in incorrectly. =-(

>From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami
>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:33:15 -0700
>
>    Y'know, I'll be interested to hear the replies to this, myself... I've
>been wondering if I should get a copy, too.
>
>                                 Michael
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Stephenson" <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
>To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: April 17, 2000 5:34 PM
>Subject: Brilliant Origami
>
>
> > What does everyone think of  David Brills book 'Brilliant Origami'?
> >
> > Is it worth adding to my collection and are there any pictures of models
>from
> > the book on the web anywhere?
> >
> > Oh and how often does he deviate from the true square... its not a whole
>book
> > based on the equilateral triangle is it?
> >
> > Dave

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From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 17:33
Subject: Re: origami freebeies

Dave, I tried to reach you at the location you mentioned and was sent to an
AOL search site.  Help!

Pat Ellis





From: "Tomlinson, Kristine" <ktomlinson@CONCORD.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 18:06
Subject: Re: (NO) Fortune Teller Paper doll thread

Thanks to Marion Riley for a great Web link to a picture of a fortune teller
doll.  From my limited research, it looks like a "modern" one (it's all
relative :-).  I found two others like it with the long pointed cap in books
but they didn't show the detail of the skirt as these pictures do.

The earlier (18th century and circa 1865) dolls I issued my challenge around
have skirts with folded paper -- less full, but definitely V-folds that look
a lot like a fan when all the papers are gathered together into the skirt.

>From the look of this doll, these fortunes are also in French.

Thanks again for a very interesting picture!

Kristine Tomlinson

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From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 18:23
Subject: Re: Sightings

> In this way I saw a beautiful giraffe, made from wallpaper, advertised by
> York Wallpaper & Fabrics, on page 169 of "Martha Stewart Living." It looks
> like real origami, not faked with cuts and glue. A flower in the paper
> pattern falls just right to be the eye of the giraffe. Who did it?

I believe Joseph Wu had said the York wallpaper ads were done by him.  I saw
the wallpaper rhino in the May issue of Better Homes and Gardens.

Janet Hamilton





From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@LHT.COM>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 16:14
Subject: Re: Sad news  and 1000 cranes question

What size? color?

V'Ann

-=-
Howard Portugal wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm sorry to report that a coworker of mine was involved in a very serious
> car accident this past Sunday. Also in the car were his pregnant ex-wife
> with whom he was attempting reconciliation, and two 9 year old children, the
> other 3 of their children weren't with them. His truck went off the road and
> rolled 150' down hill while attempting to avoid an oncoming truck. His wife
> and their 9 year old son were pronounced dead at the scene and his 9 year
> old daughter is in intensive care with a fractured skull. Reports from this
> morning are that his daughter is awake and starting to recognize people and
> that he has been released with only minor injuries. He is staying at a hotel
> near the hospital until his daughter recovers.
>
> Is this a case where sending a 1000-cranes to him would be appropriate?
>
> If so, would any of you be interested in helping me to make them? If so,
> please email me privately so that we don't clutter the list with other
> traffic.
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> Howard





From: Mad <madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 21:55
Subject: More Sad news, AASO, Steven E. Arlow

Aloha,
If anyone else here is a member of AASO
(Ann Arbor Society 4 Origami, located in
Ann Arbor, Michigan, U.S.A., home of the
University of Michigan, NOT  Michigan
State University,  :-D  )
and is/was receiving announcements from
their mailing list, the list is broken, you can't
reply to it, or to Steven E. Arlow, who was
maintaining it.

I am sorry to say I was just informed
that Steven E. Arlow died this February.
Another sad shock.  _sigh_

If you know any members of AASO, please pass
the information to them.

Also, any members on that list, AASO can't send
to you, because only Steve knew who was on the
list.  If you send me your email address, I will pass
the addresses on to AASO.  (I'd give you an
address to send to, but I haven't had time to get
permission.)

Aloha,
"Mad"    (  madhawn@concentric.net  )

Kenneth M. Kawamura
328 N. Fairview
Lansing, MI  48912-3110





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From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 09:00
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

Dave

If I remember right, the matchbox is a 1x3 rectangle. But, hey ! You can get
three out of one square - a bargain !

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Stephenson <mailto:EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

> I just wanted to thank everyone who responded about the Tokmo Fuse book,
My
> friend decided to go for 'Joyful origami Boxes' on your recommendations...
Im
> 1/2 tempted to order a copy for myself (^_^)
>
> Im tempted with Brills book but only 1/2 from a square... is the matchbox
> with matches from a square?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 05:50
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

>  If I remember right, the matchbox is a 1x3 rectangle. But, hey ! You can
get
>  three out of one square - a bargain ! -Mark

Oh what the heck I'll buy it anyway, the dragon on the cover looks
interesting and I suppose that 3 models from one piece of paper would make
the matchbox a very cheap model to teach (^_^)

Dave





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 10:45
Subject: Brilliant Origami

Dave Stephenson wrote:

>Oh and how often does he deviate from the true square... its not a whole
book
>based on the equilateral triangle is it?

No. It's a whole book based on excellence and originality in design.

If, as a designer, you limit yourself to the 'true square' all it means is
that many of your designs will become unnecessarily complicated, bulky and
inelegant - so not excellent - or that you will restrict yourself to
subjects that can be treated elegantly from the square - so probably not
very original.

Personally, I recommend you to buy, study and enjoy Brilliant Origami. In my
opinion it is still the best origami book ever published. By all means
browse it first though. This will only serve to convince you that you are
getting real value for your money!

And no, I don't have shares, nor am I a founder member of BOMAS.

All the best

Dave Mitchell





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 06:05
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami

>  No. It's a whole book based on excellence and originality in design.

Sounds Promising...

> Many of your designs will become unnecessarily complicated, bulky and
> inelegant by sticking to the true square.

I'd agree with the unnecessarily complicated bit, but I think that the
elegance and bulk is entirely down to how the models designed regardless of
shape... It seems every few months someone comes up with a new technique or
method which redefines the limitations of origami from the square (^_^)

> By all means browse it first though. This will only serve to convince you
that you
> are getting real value for your money!

I envy all those lucky people who live near a book store that actually has
origami books without the words '25 Super Fun Exciting Origami Projects For
Kids (req. Glue, Scissors and coloured pens) somewhere in the title...

Happy Folding
Dave





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:33
Subject: Re: Cats.

I'm not saying they're any good, but there are diagrams for a cat on my
website. It is somewhat stylised as the cat is a character from a Japanese
animated film.

Regards,
Robin Glynn.
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Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:04
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From: Jennifer Campbell <CampbellJ@DFO-MPO.GC.CA>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 09:28
Subject: Oh Whammy!

I hope you don't mind me sharing this with you... My son (who just turned
two and appears to know everything) has developed a fine appreciation for
origami! I am just now getting back into origami after my lull in babyville.
My son can recognize many of the models for what they are. He calls origami
"Oh Whammy". Which aptly describes what happens when he gets his hands on
one of my models! And to demonstrate an even higher level of understanding,
yesterday he called a crumpled wad of paper an Oh Whammy as well.
Bye for now,
Jennifer.





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 08:19
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami (& Tokmo Fuse)

Dave,
You won't regret buying Brilliant Origami, especially if you like dragons. I
love that dragon, have folded it four or five times, and have still not
gotten the leg folds just the way they are supposed to be. Make it with a
red-backed paper, so you can color-change the tongue!

Gillian
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From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:34
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami, Squares, elegance, etc.

Dave Mitchell, refering to David Brill's book Brilliant Origami, indited:

>No. It's a whole book based on excellence and originality in design.

>If, as a designer, you limit yourself to the 'true square' all it means is
>that many of your designs will become unnecessarily complicated, bulky and
>inelegant - so not excellent - or that you will restrict yourself to
>subjects that can be treated elegantly from the square - so probably not
>very original.

You may have noticed that Robert Lang's books at one point used nonsquare
paper. I think he's even posted about the transition he took from nonsquare
"back" to using square paper. My one line summary is that "non square is too
easy to design for."

While I'm not a square snob, I think he's right. Design "advances" most
directly in the presence of contrainsts.

If I were to take your argument, I might say that two, or three, or five
piece models are more excellent than one piece models. Perhaps in some cases
they are. I don't recall seeing any compound models in Brill's Book (I don't
have it in front of me as I write this either). If all you want is
efficiency of paper, that's fine, but it's a pretty limited view of
excellence.

>Personally, I recommend you to buy, study and enjoy Brilliant Origami. In
>my
>opinion it is still the best origami book ever published.

This gets back to the Desert Island question. I think Brilliant Origami is a
good book. Take note that it consists of David Brill's models as of a good
number of years ago now. I would hope that a newer booker would be better. I
don't think I'd say any one book is the best, not even this one, though
Brilliant Origami would probably make it somewhere on my top 15 list though.

BOMAS? Brilliant Origami Mothers Against Scissors?

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From: DEBORAH CLAYPOOL <dsc-pod@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 12:24
Subject: Re: Oh Whammy!

      Hello to all who said hi.  I have been thinking about what to say
next to all.  It's hard once again.  I just don't desire from origami
what most do.  For example:
      Between "serious" jobs, I'm working now for the tax season at the
IRS.  New co-workers.  Someone had a birthday, I folded a thing or two.
We had some dead time, I folded a few and taught the paper cup.
    Spent the afternoon at a friend's house.  She'd just developed six
rolls of film so we sat at the table and I made a template frame to cut
down a few shots to fit inside an origami frame. While she found the
negatives to get reprints, I cut down and framed snapshots.  Then she
got out her button box and glued buttons around the frames - she played
with buttons a lot as a kid.
      That's what I really like - the joy of improv fun.  Unless I can
keep a model in my brain to pull out for the serendip, it really doesn't
mean much more than an occasional curiosity.
      I enjoyed the "Oh Whammy" anecdote very much.  It worries me to
read it prefaced with concern about its suitability.
                                                 Deb





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 11:09
Subject: Unsubcribing to the list

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 20:29
Subject: New mailinglist: papierfalten@egroups.com

Hello,

I have started the mailinglist

    papierfalten@egroups.com.

This mailinglist is intended for general discussions of paperfolding and
origami in the German language. It is meant as german-speaking
equivalent of origami@mit.edu -- for those people who don't speak
English (or who find it too tiring to read long English texts), who
think that the mail volume on the "big" list is too high, or who want to
discuss topics that apply specifically to the german-speaking and the
european countries.

The membership is not limited. Those who want to join this mailinglist
should send an empty email to

    papierfalten-subscribe@egroups.com

Hallo,

ich habe die Mailingliste

    papierfalten@egroups.com

eingerichtet. Sie soll der allgemeinen Diskussion |ber Papierfalten und
Origami in deutscher Sprache dienen. Sie ist als deutschsprachiges
Dquivalent zur Mailingliste origami@mitvma.mit.edu gedacht -- f|r die
Leute, die des Englischen nicht mdchtig sind (oder denen es einfach zu
anstrengend ist, so viel Englische Texte zu lesen), f|r die das
Mail-Aufkommen auf der "gro_en" Liste zu gro_ ist, oder die Themen
diskutieren wollen, die sich speziell auf den deutschsprachigen und den
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Die Mitgliedschaft der Mailingliste ist nicht beschrdnkt. Wer sich
anmelden will, mvge eine leere E-Mail an

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senden.

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From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 15:23
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

Any one know how to say "The Fortune Lady" in French?  It would be nice if
it included the word "Belle".

Thanks,
Kalei





From: "Tomlinson, Kristine" <ktomlinson@CONCORD.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 17:21
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

>On Date:    Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:23:06 -0700
>From:    "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
>Subject: Re: Fortune Teller Paper doll thread (french translation?)

>Any one know how to say "The Fortune Lady" in French?  It would be nice >if
it included the word "Belle".

>Thanks,
>Kalei

Sure, "Madame LeNormande" :-)  Sorry I couldn't resist!

(For those who do not recognize her, she was Napoleon's fortune teller and
very popular in England when the Fortune Teller dolls were in use.  In fact,
I wonder if the "French connection" is one reason the folded fortunes in the
skirt were written in French ...)

Kristine

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Date: 20 Apr 2000 00:06
Subject: Re: Unsubcribing to the list

Ron,
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From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 16:17
Subject: Re: Sad news  and 1000 cranes question

Thanks to all of you who have responded to my request. I've decided to send
this to the whole list because there might be others who have not yet
emailed but might be interested in helping.

I've decided after much thought and consultation with others to use 3" paper
for the cranes. I believe that a mixture of White and bright colors would be
most suitable and foil would be fine if you so desire. In addition,
multi-colored and patterned paper would also be fine.

You may send them to me at the following address:

Howard Portugal BP/7171
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052-6399

I will NEVER cease to be amazed at the kindness of the Origami community,
y'all are wonderful, compassionate people.

Thank you again and I'll let you all know how the project progresses.

Howard





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Apr 2000 19:33
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami, Squares, elegance, etc.

In a message dated 4/19/00 8:36:58 AM, dgou@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

>Dave Mitchell, refering to David Brill's book Brilliant Origami, indited:
>>No. It's a whole book based on excellence and originality in design.
>>If, as a designer, you limit yourself to the 'true square' all it means is
>>that many of your designs will become unnecessarily complicated, bulky and
>>inelegant - so not excellent - or that you will restrict yourself to
>>subjects that can be treated elegantly from the square - so probably not
>>very original.
>
>You may have noticed that Robert Lang's books at one point used nonsquare
>paper. I think he's even posted about the transition he took from nonsquare
>"back" to using square paper. My one line summary is that "non square is
>too
>easy to design for."
>
>While I'm not a square snob, I think he's right. Design "advances" most
>directly in the presence of contrainsts.

To amplify a bit: I folded many of my earlier designs from rectangles because
the coolest designs I knew of (those of Neal Elias -- this was back in the
70s) were from rectangles. Later, strongly influenced by John Montroll (now
immortalized on the British 10-pound note), I went back to exclusively
squares for pretty much the reason that Doug paraphrased: using squares
forced me to find new and interesting (and, dare I say, occasionally
elegant?) folding techniques. Had I succumbed to the belief that using a
square meant my designs would be "unnecessarily complicated," etc., then I
never would have found the new techniques. But I'm not a religious fanatic on
this issue. I still fold mostly single squares, but have been known to fold
composite origami (Allosaurus skeleton), box-pleated rectangles (organist),
and even modulars (assorted) in recent years.

Getting back to the original subject of the posting, if you want a single
book that gives a well-rounded set of top-notch models, you'd be hard-pressed
to do better than Brilliant Origami.

Robert J. Lang





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 17:51
Subject: Re: Brilliant Origami, Squares, elegance, etc.

Rjlang@AOL.COM wrote:
>

> John Montroll (now
> immortalized on the British 10-pound note)

What?  Ok, I'll bit.
Anyone care to send scanned JPG's.  Oh, I know the rules.

A web link, or personal reply will be fine.

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