




From: "Sandra P. Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:38
Subject: Re: Reaching the stage of complex origami! (long)

On 23 Mar 2000, at 14:04, Perry Bailey wrote:

> "Sandra P. Hoffman" wrote:
> >
> > On 17 Mar 2000, at 21:30, Perry Bailey wrote:
> >
> > > I don't really look at models as being super complex or
> > > intermediate, but rather how well they are diagrammed.
> >
> > I'm not sure I agree. I see several processes involved in folding
> > models. One is the dexterity of the folder. To me a distinction
> > could be made between intermediate and supercomplex models based on
> > the level of dexterity required.
>
> I don't know that I would really agree with this, one I have
> arthritis early onslaught due to other things, more importantly
> I never have been able to as you say visualize an entire model,
> I have short term memory loss, so that makes your visualizing
> next to impossible for me.  Yet I fold complex and even super
> complex models, by doing them one step at a time, if the
> diagrams are good the model comes out if they aren't then it
> becomes very hard.

I originally read your statement

"I don't really look at models as being super complex or
intermediate, but rather how well they are diagrammed." to mean that
you did not see any difference between intermediate and super complex
models. Going back and looking at it again in the context of your response,
I realize that you were more likely saying that the limiting factor for you in
folding a model is how well it is diagrammed. I don't disagree with that.

I firmly believe the only real limitations
> are the ones we set on ourselves, at least as far as origami is
> concerned.

I do believe that we each bring some limitations with us that we
can either overcome or not depending on our personalities and
desires. My hands are a limitation for me because I wont work to
the point where the pain level increases over the background level
I've gotten used to. However, both origami and knitting help me
keep a reasonable level of flexibility and strength in my hands, and
so I work to the limit of pain and no farther. That's a choice I make.

I'm not sure I would do origami if I couldn't visualize the folds,
because that is an important part of the enjoyment of origami _for
me_. It's a choice though.

It often takes me a week or more to do a high
> complex model as I have to stop when the joints start to hurt
> too much, but I just pick up where I left off the next time!  I
> even have to use the diagrams to fold my stuff, not to mention
> that I generally have to diagram backwards as I can't remember
> how I got there.

I personally envy people who can memorize folds to do when they
are away from their books. I can't seem to memorize even the
simplist of folds. I'd love to carry paper with me and show off
folding, or amuse the many children that it seems will be part of my
life for a few years still, but I have not been able to overcome that
memory problem yet.

Anyway, I think we might be misunderstanding each other more
than disagreeing on any fundamental points. Folding origami is a
complex process and we will each be more or less strong in one or
more of the processes, and choose to what extent we allow or
refuse to allow that to limit our choices of what to fold.

sph





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:43
Subject: Selling Books, e-Bay, etc.

Just my $.02, but wouldn't Bimal get better exposure for what he's offering
here on Origami-L?  Unless you're trying to get the highest profit possible
off the books, it seems the greatest likelihood of finding a buyer is going
to be among this e-folders on Origami-L....

Haven't used e-Bay much, but personally I probably wouldn't go there for
the purpose of finding Origami stuff...

It's just my opinion, it can't hurt you.

At 07:28 PM 3/23/00 -0600, you wrote:
>I've got a few rare (or at least out of print) origami books I'm trying to
>sell, but I'm not sure the best way to do it.  It looks like many folks
>here sell through Ebay.  Can anyone comment on the process?  Does it cost
>the seller anything?  Is it easy to use?
>
>-Bimal





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 11:30
Subject: Aids to Memory [was Re: Reaching the stage]

>I personally envy people who can memorize folds to do when they
>are away from their books

Could you fold models that you are familiar with from abbreviated
diagrams/folding directions? I know one folder who writes notes
about how to fold models in small notebooks (the ones that are
about 2 inches by 4 inches). While these aren't full blown diagrams,
they usually provide enough information to remind how to fold the model.

Might be worth a try.





From: Mad <madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:40
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Classic Origami Models

-----Original Message-----
From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:40:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Classic Origami Models

>In a message dated 3/11/00 10:04:50 PM, vann@lht.com writes:
>
><< If people will post the models that seem 'classic' to them, I'll compile
>the list. If you know the designer, add that. If you don't know the
>designer, maybe someone else will. >>
>
>Hmmm, classics......It would seem to me a classic is a model that has been
>popular for a long time
    8< snip >8

Aloha Dorigami,

I respectfully disagree. I am used to having the definition of a classic
extended to include beautiful, elegant, and/or innovative models,
regardless of age. (Mind you, I tend to think of anything from about 1965
on as "recent". And I haven't been paying as much attention these last
four or so years.)

On the other hand, I'm not sure whether I'd class the very difficult or
complicated folds, e.g. Statue of Liberty, Robert Lang's "Cuckoo Clock",
the multi-piece dinosaur skeletons, as "classic".

They're beautiful, and innovative, but I'd quibble on the elegance,
maybe because I've only folded the Cuckoo Clock, once, and can't
see folding them repeatedly.

They're masterpieces, but somehow I think of origami classics as
those folds I expect to be taught and folded a lot, that should/could be
in everyone's repertoire.

This could just be my level of incompetence speaking, tho.

I would consider as additional classics, in no particular order:

(1) Robert Neale's Dragon, from a birdbase, it's beautiful, regularly
      inspires the "could you teach me that?" reaction, closely followed
      by "Could you make me one?", has a nice "flow" to it, every move
      contributes to the end result, hardly any backing up;

(2) Valerie Vann's "Magic Rose Cube", such a neat surprise move;

(3) the Kawasaki Rose and it's variants;

(4) Mrs. (I think) Tomoko Fuse's nested modular boxes;

(5) Michael La Fosse's butterflies;

(6) Akira Yoshizawa's easy, no-mistakes puppy dog (I forget what
      Mr. Yoshizawa named it, you know which one I mean, right?);

(7) the Waterbomb, and its many variations and distantly related
      blow-up models, among which are
(7a)  the waterbomb Octahedron,
(7b) Patricia Crawford's blow-up Tetrahedron,
(7c) Jack Skillman's "Jackstone",
(7d) the traditional Persimmon, and the related
(7e) Rae Cooker's "Strawberry";

(8) the traditional Paper Cup;

(9) the traditional Chinese five-compartment box,
      I think published as the "Lazy Susan";

(10) the Cerceda/Yoshizawa Dollar Bill Peacock;

(11) the Dollar Bill Ring, from Cerceda's book,
        "Folding Money" I think it was called;

(12) the traditional Newspaper Boat, Newspaper Hat,
        and Printer's Devil's Cap;

(13) Saburo Kase's "Vase", and its later inspiration,
        Aldo Putignano's "Ginger Jar";

(14) The traditional Talking Fox handpuppet;

(15) Rae Cooker's round troublewit technique;

(17) the traditional Kabuto (Helmet), and its recent
        (to me) elaborations;

(18) "Jedi Master, Yoda", I forget the folder's name,
        but this is another fold that "flows" well, once
        you learn where the landmarks are for folding
        the hand;

(19) Patricia Crawford's "Unicorn";

(20) John Montroll's "Horse", and his dogbase
        and other techniques;

(21) John Montroll's "Stinkbug", I used to have this
        memorized, _sigh_;

(22) John Montroll's "Stegosaur";

(23) the traditional "Flapping Bird";

(24) the traditional Popgun;

(25) (Mr.) Bun McClain's "Baby Carriage"

(26) Neal Elias's animal base, and the resulting
        "Rabbit" (which I've forgotten, and lost the
        diagrams for; I used to be able to fold it
        from memory, really);

(27) Patricia Crawford's "Squirrel on a Log";

(28) Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill "Stag";

(29) Fred Rohm's Star of David;

(30) Jim Churn's Dollar Bill "Crane Ring";

(31) Jim Churn's Dollar Bill "Cross".

I could probably think of more, but that's a good start.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 13:10
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 22 Mar 2000 to 23 Mar 2000 (#2000-83)

>Date:    Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:31:36 -0500
>From:    "B. Becker" <gryfebecker.b@SYMPATICO.CA>
>Subject: Business conference folds--and a teaching idea

>Can anyone recommend non-complex  folds that can be done with rectangular
>paper
>where the exact proportion is not that important?  I am looking for things
>I can
>fold quietly (and surreptitiously) at speaker conferences, where the hotel or
>the organizers provide those little pads of paper for notes. ( Trying to tear
>them into squares is usually too noisy.)
>
>This is my version of doodling, when the speaker is less than enthralling.
>
>Brenda

I too have had to sit through a lot of committee meetings and speakers over
the years and have found that those times and those pads provide great
opportunities for creating new models. Then you don't have to worry about
trying to remember the directions or balancing the directions in your lap
or hunching over to read them in poor light.

Chose a base you can fold without difficulty and play with it using the
asymmetries of the rectangle to suggest new patterns and images. What
happens, for example, if you do a waterbomb base at one end of the
rectangle, in the middle, off kilter?

Not every doodle will generate something right away, but I date and save
them anyway in case they spark an idea later on.

=====
Teaching idea that occurred to me during last night's family workshop
(thank you again,  Hannah L of Flying Fingers, for all your help!): I was
teaching the little booklet where you fold the center horizontal and
vertical, fold the two short ends to the middle, and cut the middle part of
the long center vertical.  The paper was  ordinary 8 1/2 x 11 inch laser
printer paper, and I was having trouble making it clear which side of the
paper should face up. So I told everyone to draw a circle in the center of
one side and  used it that as a reference for the "right side."  Helped a
lot. It's such an easy model that it doesn't matter that your first one has
the circle on it. (Bits of circle end up at top of 2 pages of booklet).

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:14
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Classic Origami Models

There is a definition in the dictionery under classic that says 'having
historical traditions......also work generally recognized as excellent.....
beautiful and elegant are I think a matter of individual choice and I am
thinking in terms of classic cars as having historical traditions and still
being used after being around for a long time....I guess it's all a matter of
how you look at it....It agree that many of the models you describe are
beautiful and elegant but will many people be making them a hundred years
from now.  I think the models similar to the ones  I mentioned will be around
for a very long time because they are easy to learn, easy to teach, and easy
to remember.......Maybe classic is not the word for them....Have you a better
word?

In a message dated 3/24/00 1:40:49 PM, madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET writes:

<< Aloha Dorigami,

I respectfully disagree. I am used to having the definition of a classic
extended to include beautiful, elegant, and/or innovative models,
regardless of age. (Mind you, I tend to think of anything from about 1965
on as "recent". And I haven't been paying as much attention these last
four or so years.)

On the other hand, I'm not sure whether I'd class the very difficult or
complicated folds, e.g. Statue of Liberty, Robert Lang's "Cuckoo Clock",
the multi-piece dinosaur skeletons, as "classic".

They're beautiful, and innovative, but I'd quibble on the elegance,
maybe because I've only folded the Cuckoo Clock, once, and can't
see folding them repeatedly.

They're masterpieces, but somehow I think of origami classics as
those folds I expect to be taught and folded a lot, that should/could be
in everyone's repertoire.

This could just be my level of incompetence speaking, tho.

I would consider as additional classics, in no particular order:

(1) Robert Neale's Dragon, from a birdbase, it's beautiful, regularly
      inspires the "could you teach me that?" reaction, closely followed
      by "Could you make me one?", has a nice "flow" to it, every move
      contributes to the end result, hardly any backing up;

(2) Valerie Vann's "Magic Rose Cube", such a neat surprise move;

(3) the Kawasaki Rose and it's variants;

(4) Mrs. (I think) Tomoko Fuse's nested modular boxes;

(5) Michael La Fosse's butterflies;

(6) Akira Yoshizawa's easy, no-mistakes puppy dog (I forget what
      Mr. Yoshizawa named it, you know which one I mean, right?);

(7) the Waterbomb, and its many variations and distantly related
      blow-up models, among which are
(7a)  the waterbomb Octahedron,
(7b) Patricia Crawford's blow-up Tetrahedron,
(7c) Jack Skillman's "Jackstone",
(7d) the traditional Persimmon, and the related
(7e) Rae Cooker's "Strawberry";

(8) the traditional Paper Cup;

(9) the traditional Chinese five-compartment box,
      I think published as the "Lazy Susan";

(10) the Cerceda/Yoshizawa Dollar Bill Peacock;

(11) the Dollar Bill Ring, from Cerceda's book,
        "Folding Money" I think it was called;

(12) the traditional Newspaper Boat, Newspaper Hat,
        and Printer's Devil's Cap;

(13) Saburo Kase's "Vase", and its later inspiration,
        Aldo Putignano's "Ginger Jar";

(14) The traditional Talking Fox handpuppet;

(15) Rae Cooker's round troublewit technique;

(17) the traditional Kabuto (Helmet), and its recent
        (to me) elaborations;

(18) "Jedi Master, Yoda", I forget the folder's name,
        but this is another fold that "flows" well, once
        you learn where the landmarks are for folding
        the hand;

(19) Patricia Crawford's "Unicorn";

(20) John Montroll's "Horse", and his dogbase
        and other techniques;

(21) John Montroll's "Stinkbug", I used to have this
        memorized, _sigh_;

(22) John Montroll's "Stegosaur";

(23) the traditional "Flapping Bird";

(24) the traditional Popgun;

(25) (Mr.) Bun McClain's "Baby Carriage"

(26) Neal Elias's animal base, and the resulting
        "Rabbit" (which I've forgotten, and lost the
        diagrams for; I used to be able to fold it
        from memory, really);

(27) Patricia Crawford's "Squirrel on a Log";

(28) Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill "Stag";

(29) Fred Rohm's Star of David;

(30) Jim Churn's Dollar Bill "Crane Ring";

(31) Jim Churn's Dollar Bill "Cross".

I could probably think of more, but that's a good start.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura

----------------------- Headers --------------------------------





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:21
Subject: Re: PCOC Dragon Challenge

At 08:58 PM 3/23/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what happened with the PCOC Origami Dragon Challenge?
>
>-- Neil

I do, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to keep you in suspense, since I'm not
     sure if all the winners have been notified. Hopefully, if Vicky reads
     this, she can let the list know the results, or if I hear from her that
     the winners have been notified, the

I will say this though - I was a judge for the competition, and it was truly a
     daunting task, as there were approximately 90 models received! We took
     literally hours to make our final decisions. I also have photgraphs of the
     winners that I could post on m

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com
http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:47
Subject: Littleton Origami Group (LOG)  meeting notice, Tuesday March 28,

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Large Meeting Room" downstairs.

Joyce Saler will be teaching a Kasahara peacock she learned at PCOC.
Dennis Brannon will be teaching a standing heart.

Please bring your favorite origami models
to share, teach, or just show off.

If you are planning on coming, could you please send me email
so I have an idea of how many people to expect.  Thanks!

Dennis (dennis.brannon@compaq.com)

When: Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

=================================================
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:51
Subject: Best of British folders - now available

I've been asked to put together a few pages for our site about the
wealth of creative talent in the BOS. The first results are available
under the "society" link, then choose "Best of British".

The people are those for whom I have photos for & not intended to be
seen as any better than those who will be added later!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email          nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage                www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk

Pre-1960's Ladybird books always wanted!





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:01
Subject: Re: Hey there Foxy....

Jeff Kerwood wrote on march 10th:

> Opposite "My Favorite Fox" on
> page 254 of Origami Omnibus there is a variation of "My Favorite Fox". The
> trouble is that above the variation it say's "Try your hand at folding the
> four legs from the kind of rectangular paper shown". Wellllll, I and two
> friends tried for an embarrassingly long time to figure out how to fold
the
> 4 legged variation and well, we couldn't figure it out. It looks like it
> should be easy but... :-(.....
>
> Has anyone been able to fold this variation? If so, HELLLLPPPPPPPP........
> (please :-)

Sorry Jeff, I've tried to fold the four legs from the rectangular paper, but
no luck...
Maybe there is someone else on the list who would like to try...???

Greetings,
Paula from Holland.





From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:01
Subject: Re: Sandwich-paper (was: Quickie)

Charles CQBERKEY3 wrote on March 11th:
> However, I used a special paper I made from instructions I read from many
> books . I used the general principles I sifted from the information. I
call
> it the sandwitch paper or if you have a better name that would be nice.
> What you do is :1st material= a type of rice paper one colour /  foil  /
> and in another colour  rice paper . A can of spray adhesive.  2nd =  tape
> the foil down to board .3rd  =  spray the adhesive on the foil . 4th =
start
> at one end  of an edge and stick the rice paper to it carefully  .
>  lowering - smoothing - lowering - smoothing until you reach the other end
.
> 5th cut tape  turn over and tape again. 6th repeat 4th step  . 7th   cut
> tape .  Then  cut edges  square  to accommodate  purposes .

I learned the same trick from An the Vries about a year ago, but I'm doing
it not so neat. I get crinckles in my paper, but for most of the models,
that doesn't matter. In stead of rice-paper I use what's called in Holland
"zijdevloeipapier", a very thin "silk"-paper that also is used in schools
for young children to make paper flowers i.e..

I made from this paper some shells, and because the silver colored foil that
shines through the upper thin layer, it looks very natural. I also used this
method to fold a large Starship Enterpri$e by Perry Bailey
(http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/) from a paper 30x70cm (12"x28"). The paper is
relatively thin, but because of the foil it's sturdy enough to stay in
shape!

I'm very happy about the results I had with this sandwich-paper :-))
I recommend to all of you to try it sometimes!

Greetings,
Paula from Holland.





From: Bimal Ramesh Desai <desaib@MEDICINE.WUSTL.EDU>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:14
Subject: Re: [ousa-members] Classic Origami Models

> On the other hand, I'm not sure whether I'd class the very difficult or
> complicated folds, e.g. Statue of Liberty, Robert Lang's "Cuckoo Clock",
> the multi-piece dinosaur skeletons, as "classic".
>
> They're beautiful, and innovative, but I'd quibble on the elegance,
> maybe because I've only folded the Cuckoo Clock, once, and can't
> see folding them repeatedly.
>
> They're masterpieces, but somehow I think of origami classics as
> those folds I expect to be taught and folded a lot, that should/could be
> in everyone's repertoire.

I disagree that complicated folds can't be called classics.  From the
pieces you listed in your letter (among them, Skillman's Jackstone,
Montroll's Stegosaurus, Kawahata's Jedi Master Yoda), I'd get the
impression that you feel some classics can be complex also.

Furthermore, I think there are certain complex models which really serve
as milestones in origami design and for this reason should be considered
"classics".  Maekawa's demon, for example, was pretty groundbreaking in
it's beauty and in the thoughtful geometry of it's design.  Kawasaki's
rose influenced many people's thoughts on the use of the twist fold in
origami.  Issei Yoshino's T-Rex skeleton pushed the limits of multi-piece
origami.  Regardless of one's opinion on multi-piece and modulars, it's
still an impressive work and one worthy of imitation - as evidenced by a
number of multi-piece and single-piece skeletons created since.  Finally,
models like Kawahata's Pegasus from "Origami Fantasy" are purely inspired.
Easily the best treatment of the subject I've seen since I began folding,
I think it will become a "classic" on the merits of it's beauty alone.

That's my two cents.

-Bimal





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:48
Subject: Re: Reaching the stage of complex origami! (long)

"Sandra P. Hoffman" wrote:
> Folding origami is a
> complex process and we will each be more or less strong in one or
> more of the processes, and choose to what extent we allow or
> refuse to allow that to limit our choices of what to fold.

Agreed or as my granny said you only get out what you put in.

Perry

--
"Continental chambermaids
are very hard to shock,
first they wait until your naked
then they enter, then they knock!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!





From: Atsina <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:18
Subject: Re: PCOC Dragon Challenge

Thanks again for being a judge, John. Too close for me to call, certainly.

As for the announcements. Vicky is contacting the winners and there should be a
notice on this list when we are sure that they have heard the news. The dragons
are all fantastic, we did receive about 90 entries from all over the world.
There will be pictures posted, from what I understand. The suspense is killing
me too, even though I know the results. Try to be patient.

Kim Shuck

John Marcolina wrote:
>
> At 08:58 PM 3/23/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >Does anybody know what happened with the PCOC Origami Dragon Challenge?
> >
> >-- Neil
>
> I do, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to keep you in suspense, since I'm not
     sure if all the winners have been notified. Hopefully, if Vicky reads
     this, she can let the list know the results, or if I hear from her that
     the winners have been notified, t
>
> I will say this though - I was a judge for the competition, and it was truly
     a daunting task, as there were approximately 90 models received! We took
     literally hours to make our final decisions. I also have photgraphs of the
     winners that I could post on
>
> John Marcolina
> San Jose, CA.
> jmarcoli@cisco.com
> http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/





From: Bimal Ramesh Desai <desaib@MEDICINE.WUSTL.EDU>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:17
Subject: Re: books for sale

Thanks for all the inquiries.  I'm reluctant to name books or prices over
the list only because I don't want to be flooded with private offers.  I'd
rather let Ebay sort out bids for me.  Rest assured that as soon as I get
of my duff and put the things for sale on ebay, the list members will be
the first, and only, people to whom I will directly "advertise".  After
all, you guys are the only origami afficionados I know of.

-Bimal

ps: I am not selling "Viva".  That one's a keeper, but thanks for asking.

===============================================================================

Bimal R. Desai                                               Apartment 508
(314) 361-1500                                      4615 Lindell Boulevard
desaib@medicine.wustl.edu                              St. Louis, MO 63108





From: Penny Groom <penny.groom@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:34
Subject: Laura Kruskal

Does anyone have Laura's email address please, she left a message on my
answerphone today saying she had sent me an email last month and not had
a reply. She would have sent it to my old Demon address which just seem
to disappear!

Please send it privately if you have it,thanks

Penny
Penny Groom

Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
www.britishorigami.org.uk/

Please visit the Hunger Site at http://www.thehungersite.com/
Clicking on this site once daily donates food at no cost to you to the
hungry around the world.





From: "<Jason Ng>" <PhantomJN@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:10
Subject: OUSA PAPER

I'm just curious, did anyone get their quarterly "The Paper" from OUSA yet?

                                                -Kin Wai





From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:21
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

> I'm just curious, did anyone get their quarterly "The Paper" from OUSA yet?
>
>                                                 -Kin Wai

I haven't yet.  What is going on over there?





From: "<Jason Ng>" <PhantomJN@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:32
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

I'm just curious, and making sure, because i haven't recieved mine yet...

                                                            -Kin Wai





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:07
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

I just received my Paper today-I pay extra for 1st class mail.

Patty in Albuquerque





From: CQBERKEY3 <CQBERKEY3@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 02:20
Subject: Re: Sandwich-paper (was: Quickie)

TO SMOOTH OUT THE WRINKLES.  This what you do 1st have a large smooth board
hum  about 4 feet by 4 feet.  Then tape the foil to it . Then  have  spray
can of adhesive the kind that will allow you unstick it and restick the
paper to the foil . So , as long as you tape the foil down and spray and
stick the paper on one edge and slowly smooth and smooth the paper to the
foil holding one end up you should not have any  lumps or bumps in your
paper . I HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE.    from  CHARLES with love.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paula & Gerard <su008787@WOLMAIL.NL>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Sandwich-paper (was: Quickie)

> Charles CQBERKEY3 wrote on March 11th:
> > However, I used a special paper I made from instructions I read from
many
> > books . I used the general principles I sifted from the information. I
> call
> > it the sandwitch paper or if you have a better name that would be nice.
> > What you do is :1st material= a type of rice paper one colour /  foil  /
> > and in another colour  rice paper . A can of spray adhesive.  2nd =
tape
> > the foil down to board .3rd  =  spray the adhesive on the foil . 4th =
> start
> > at one end  of an edge and stick the rice paper to it carefully  .
> >  lowering - smoothing - lowering - smoothing until you reach the other
end
> .
> > 5th cut tape  turn over and tape again. 6th repeat 4th step  . 7th   cut
> > tape .  Then  cut edges  square  to accommodate  purposes .
>
> I learned the same trick from An the Vries about a year ago, but I'm doing
> it not so neat. I get crinckles in my paper, but for most of the models,
> that doesn't matter. In stead of rice-paper I use what's called in Holland
> "zijdevloeipapier", a very thin "silk"-paper that also is used in schools
> for young children to make paper flowers i.e..
>
> I made from this paper some shells, and because the silver colored foil
that
> shines through the upper thin layer, it looks very natural. I also used
this
> method to fold a large Starship Enterpri$e by Perry Bailey
> (http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/) from a paper 30x70cm (12"x28"). The paper
is
> relatively thin, but because of the foil it's sturdy enough to stay in
> shape!
>
> I'm very happy about the results I had with this sandwich-paper :-))
> I recommend to all of you to try it sometimes!
>
> Greetings,
> Paula from Holland.





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 02:20
Subject: Re: Sandwich-paper (was: Quickie)

On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:48:06PM +0100, Paula & Gerard wrote:
> I'm very happy about the results I had with this sandwich-paper :-)) I
> recommend to all of you to try it sometimes!

Time to blow my horn again, I guess. Please see
http://www.papierfalten.de/en/articles/foil-backing.html.

Marc Kirschenbaum has also written a *very* valuable article about
foil-backed paper. Marc, did you put it on your web page yet?

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@moebius.inka.de>

Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it.                                             -- Donald E. Knuth





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 05:19
Subject: a quick update

If anyone is interested, I have done a bit of Spring cleaning to my web
site. There are now photos next to most of the diagrams (a few gaps still to
fill in) and the Monkey has a new (and better) photo in the Gallery. By the
way, I have had no feedback about the monkey diagrams. Has anybody tried to
fold it yet?

Robin Glynn

Homepage www.keme.net/~rglynn/
E-mail Robin@rglynn.keme.co.uk
Inside leg 29.5"





From: Bimal Ramesh Desai <desaib@MEDICINE.WUSTL.EDU>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:08
Subject: Re: Sandwich-paper (was: Quickie)

> TO SMOOTH OUT THE WRINKLES.  This what you do 1st have a large smooth board
> hum  about 4 feet by 4 feet.  Then tape the foil to it . Then  have  spray
> can of adhesive the kind that will allow you unstick it and restick the
> paper to the foil . So , as long as you tape the foil down and spray and
> stick the paper on one edge and slowly smooth and smooth the paper to the
> foil holding one end up you should not have any  lumps or bumps in your
> paper . I HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE.    from  CHARLES with love.

The few times I've made foil-backed paper, I rolled the paper tightly onto
a large wooden dowel.  I affixed the foil to the table with tape, much
like you've described, but I've fould that heavy weights in the corners
work just as well and allow you to reposition the foil quickly and as
needed.  With the paper on the dowel, you can apply a firm and equal
pressure as you unroll it onto the sprayed foil.  I've had very few
problems with wrinkles doing it this way.  Usually, the minor wrinkles I
do have are on the foil side and not the paper side.  Hope this helps!

-Bimal





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 07:37
Subject: MathsYear 2000

MathsYear 2000 is a part of the UK government's new mathematical literacy
programme. (It is funded by the UK government but is run by an independent
charitable trust.) I have had some contact with the organisers through
running drop-in modular origami workshops at some of their MathFests and
have now received the following request for paperfolding material for their
web-site:

>I am presently in search of resources for the mathsyear2000 web site - both
static resources and
>interactive programs (applets).

>I was wondering if you had anything we could use on the site, e.g. graphics
which could start people folding >paper into shapes?

There are many folk on this list who have a great deal more knowledge of
things mathematical and educational than I have and I would appreciate any
help you can offer me - especially if you already have suitable material on
your website that MathsYear 2000 could mirror or point at.

This is a really exciting development!

Please help if you can. You don't need to be a UK citizen ...

Dave Mitchell





From: THOKI YENN <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 08:08
Subject: Sv:      MathsYear 2000

Dear Dave Mitchell

>I would appreciate any
> help you can offer me - especially if you already have suitable material on
> your website that MathsYear 2000 could mirror or point at.

You are welcome to use any of the material
that I have on my website that you might
find suitable in your project.

http://www.thok.dk/origami.html

Greetings

Thoki Yenn





From: THOKI YENN <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 08:12
Subject: Sv:      MathsYear 2000

Dear Dave Mitchell

>I would appreciate any
> help you can offer me - especially if you already have suitable material on
> your website that MathsYear 2000 could mirror or point at.

You are welcome to use any of the material
that I have on my website that you might
find suitable in your project.

http://www.thok.dk/origami.html

Greetings

Thoki Yenn





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 12:09
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

Michael,
At 09.19 24/3/2000 +1100, you wrote:

>Giunta only has one book currently in print (that I know of) available
>through OUSA - DIVERTITEVI CON L'ORIGAMI. A shame the others are still not
>available.

Alfredo Giunta is still an active folder, he has attended some Origami
meetings last year. However, most of his excellent books are out of print:
the publisher told me that they are unlikely to be reprinted due to a
general crisis in this sector, and to a decreased interest of readers.
Finding out spare copies is a very hard and time-consuming task, and I
don't think that the prices on eBay are "ridiculously inflated" for items
which are nearly impossible to find elsewhere....

Roberto





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 14:04
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

Roberto,
I guess when you are the seller of these so far hard to find Italian books,
such a statement as "I don't think that the prices on eBay are 'ridiculously
inflated' for items" is very questionable.
WC

>From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Italian origami books
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:55:04 +0200
>
>Michael,
>At 09.19 24/3/2000 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >Giunta only has one book currently in print (that I know of) available
> >through OUSA - DIVERTITEVI CON L'ORIGAMI. A shame the others are still
>not
> >available.
>
>Alfredo Giunta is still an active folder, he has attended some Origami
>meetings last year. However, most of his excellent books are out of print:
>the publisher told me that they are unlikely to be reprinted due to a
>general crisis in this sector, and to a decreased interest of readers.
>Finding out spare copies is a very hard and time-consuming task, and I
>don't think that the prices on eBay are "ridiculously inflated" for items
>which are nearly impossible to find elsewhere....
>
>Roberto

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From: Mad <madhawn@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:09
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

Sorry Wendi Curtis,

I object to your attack on Roberto Morassi's reputation.
Your "guess" is way off the mark, your posting discourteous.
 .
His statement is not questionable, being (a) a statement of
opinion, and (b) from a well-respected member of the
origami community, who has been actively contributing for
quite a while now.

You owe Roberto an apology. (clarification: my opinion.)

Sincerely,
Kenneth M. Kawamura

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:09:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

>Roberto,
>I guess when you are the seller of these so far hard to find Italian books,
>such a statement as "I don't think that the prices on eBay are
'ridiculously
>inflated' for items" is very questionable.
>WC
>
  <Roberto's quoted posting snipped for space reasons>





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:26
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

I haven't neither.  I usually recieive my copy a week or more after people
are already dicussing it over this mailing list =-(  When will (was) the
most current issue be released?

>From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:14:23 -0800
>
> > I'm just curious, did anyone get their quarterly "The Paper" from OUSA
>yet?
> >
> >                                                 -Kin Wai
>
>I haven't yet.  What is going on over there?

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From: Darryl Sheldon <Johydee1126@AOL.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 20:18
Subject: Wet fold paper

Earlier today I was at the art store looking at paper and asked them about
'elephant skin' paper.  I had read about it being used for wet folding.  I
have not tried this technique yet and was curious about it.  The paper they
had was a type of water color paper with a price of $21.00 for an 18x24 inch
sheet!  My question is: is this the correct paper or did we get mixed up in
the terminology?
    Also, what qualities of paper do you look for when wet folding( porous,
smooth surface, heavy, thin, etc...)

    Thanks from a beginner    8-)





From: Manny <recovery@CYBERSPACE.ORG>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 20:30
Subject: Large Paper

Hey Folks,
Im a recent new comer to the list and have been lurking for a while now.
Ive started feeling the need for larger origami paper (12 inch squares or
larger) and have been unable to locate it anywhere.  Does anyone know of
internet sites, mail-order, or stores in the new england area that could
help?  Thanks in advance,
Manny





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 20:41
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

I think we all need to remember that when someone sells something on eBay,
it is the bidders, not the seller that raises the price. I know some people
that sell on there, and they are not greedy people, nor are they selling
their books at inflated prices. They start the books off at a price of
around $20 to $40 dollars, and the bidders push it up from there. Just my
opinion.

Jake Crowley

>From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Italian origami books
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:03:00 PST
>
>Roberto,
>I guess when you are the seller of these so far hard to find Italian books,
>such a statement as "I don't think that the prices on eBay are
>'ridiculously
>inflated' for items" is very questionable.
>WC
>
>
>>From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
>>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Italian origami books
>>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:55:04 +0200
>>
>>Michael,
>>At 09.19 24/3/2000 +1100, you wrote:
>>
>> >Giunta only has one book currently in print (that I know of) available
>> >through OUSA - DIVERTITEVI CON L'ORIGAMI. A shame the others are still
>>not
>> >available.
>>
>>Alfredo Giunta is still an active folder, he has attended some Origami
>>meetings last year. However, most of his excellent books are out of print:
>>the publisher told me that they are unlikely to be reprinted due to a
>>general crisis in this sector, and to a decreased interest of readers.
>>Finding out spare copies is a very hard and time-consuming task, and I
>>don't think that the prices on eBay are "ridiculously inflated" for items
>>which are nearly impossible to find elsewhere....
>>
>>Roberto
>
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From: "Sandra P. Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:17
Subject: Re: Aids to Memory [was Re: Reaching the stage]

On 24 Mar 2000, at 11:27, Lisa Hodsdon wrote:

> Could you fold models that you are familiar with from abbreviated
> diagrams/folding directions? I know one folder who writes notes about
> how to fold models in small notebooks (the ones that are about 2
> inches by 4 inches). While these aren't full blown diagrams, they
> usually provide enough information to remind how to fold the model.

Yes I can fold from an abbreviated diagram if I already know the
model well. I think I'll give this a try. Thanks. If I gradually
abbreviate the diagrams more and more, I might eventually have a
few models memorized.

sph





From: dan newman <dnewman@CAPITAL.NET>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 02:49
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

mine came today

Tiffany Tam wrote:

> I haven't neither.  I usually recieive my copy a week or more after people
> are already dicussing it over this mailing list =-(  When will (was) the
> most current issue be released?
>
> >From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
> >Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> >To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> >Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER
> >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:14:23 -0800
> >
> > > I'm just curious, did anyone get their quarterly "The Paper" from OUSA
> >yet?
> > >
> > >                                                 -Kin Wai
> >
> >I haven't yet.  What is going on over there?
>
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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 07:13
Subject: Re: Large Paper

You could try Kims Crane at www.kimscrane.com for a fast and reliable
service, fascinating folds may be easy to navigate but if you live outside
America it takes months for the stuff to arrive and they charge more than
anywhere else I have ever used for delivery and handling.

It would probably be worth saying which part of the world you hail from as
there may be something a bit more local...

C'ya
Dave

The web page is having a bit of a rethink now, I've came to the conclusion it
is a lot more difficult to translate Katakana and Hiragana into english than
I had originally thought (especially when you find it difficult to figure out
which is which ;). Added to this the diagrams of creators of the romanic
languages such as Joisel are so well done you don't need the translations...
ho hum...





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 08:31
Subject: Re: Wet fold paper

Yo!-ness,

Darryl Sheldon asks:

>>>
The paper they
had was a type of water color paper with a price of $21.00 for an 18x24 inch
sheet!  My question is: is this the correct paper or did we get mixed up in
the terminology?
<<<

Wow!  That doesn't sound like the right stuff to me.  You want to ask
for "elephant hide" paper, or "elephanthaut" (or whatever the German
spelling is), or sometimes it's called "Wyndstone" paper.  It
generally sells for $2-$4 (US) for an 18x24 in sheet.  It does not
look like watercolor paper - it has a light marbled look and feels
slightly plasticy.  ANd it creases very well!

---- Tom "munch & cruncher" Hull





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 08:59
Subject: Re: Italian origami books

Wendy,
At 11.03 25/3/2000 PST, you wrote:

>I guess when you are the seller of these so far hard to find Italian books,
>such a statement as "I don't think that the prices on eBay are 'ridiculously
>inflated' for items" is very questionable.

OK, so let's question it. Please consider the following point:

1) In the specific case which started this thread (Insects by Giunta), I am
NOT the seller. Anyway I keep this opinion even when I AM the seller (I
have offered Origami books on eBay, and may do it again in the future).

2) eBay auctions are made for profit, that's out of question. What the
expected or "minimum" profit should be, is seller's choice. One thing is
offering "current" books, which might be found through usual channels such
as your local bookshop, or an Internet reseller. Another thing is offering
long out-of-print and out-of-stock books of some value, as this often
implies a long and difficult search in normal, second-hand or remainder
bookshops. If I happen to find one such books after one (2, 3....) month(s)
of unfruitful search, offering it at (say) $20+ over the actual cost does
not seem to be an unreasonable repayment for all the time I've wasted !

3) In any case, whatever starting price I decide, I do it at my own risk.
If it's REALLY too high, then nobody will bid and I'll have wasted my time
and money on a duplicate book. If, however, there are bids (which may
eventually be considerably higher than the starting price), it means that
some people consider this offer as good value for money......

If you can suggest other cheaper/simpler ways to find such kind of books,
please do. I, for the first, would be interested. And, of course, I'd spend
my spare time in unprofitable but more enjoyable and less boring activities
than searching out books for other people's libraries..... :-)

Sincerely,
Roberto





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <dinogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 09:05
Subject: Re: Wet fold paper

>Darryl Sheldon asks:
>
> >>>
>The paper they
>had was a type of water color paper with a price of $21.00 for an 18x24
>inch
>sheet!  My question is: is this the correct paper or did we get mixed up in
>the terminology?
><<<
>
>Wow!  That doesn't sound like the right stuff to me.  You want to ask
>for "elephant hide" paper, or "elephanthaut" (or whatever the German
>spelling is), or sometimes it's called "Wyndstone" paper.  It
>generally sells for $2-$4 (US) for an 18x24 in sheet

   Actually, it _may_ be the same thing.  When I investigated the
possibility of obtaining elephanthaut at a paper store in Dallas, they told
me that they knew the stuff but didn't ordinarily carry it.  It could be
imported, but that would _really_ jack up the price!  So a lot of the price
Darryl mentioned may be to cover import fees.  As others on the list, as
well as the staff at the Dallas store, mentioned, the American equivalent,
Marble, is much more widely available and costs, as you mentioned, between
$2-$4 for a big sheet!

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From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 10:29
Subject: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

I just picked up a copy of the Tanteidan 5th convention book.  I love
it.  So now I have two questions:

        1.  Mostly, can I get previous covention books, and if so,
                where?  I assume they're of equal quality.

        2.  Has anyone compiled an English translation to the table of
                contents?





From: Doug Philips <dgou@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 10:56
Subject: Re: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

joel@EXC.COM inquired:

>         2.  Has anyone compiled an English translation to the table of
>                 contents?

Yes, Anne LaVin has them, via her 'origami books' web page. You can get to
Anne's and lots of other pages via Joseph Wu's page:
http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

Enjoy!

(And thanks Anne, its nice to have your pages to refer to!)

-D'gou
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From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:28
Subject: Re: OUSA PAPER

My newsletter came a couple of days ago... (I pay for the extra postage)

Dee

dan newman wrote:
>
> mine came today





From: kcrane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:49
Subject: Re: Seres De Ficcion

Kim's Crane is glad to announce that the book, Seres De Ficcion: El Lado
Oscuro De La Papiroflexia, by Mario Adrados Netto and J. Anibal Voyer
Iniesta is now available for purchase.  It can be found on page 3 of the
listing of new items on our web site front page.
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://kimscrane.com





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@VIADOR.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:51
Subject: Re: Large Paper

www.origamipaper.com has 25 inch squares...

-g-

Way back when (At 08:20 PM 3/25/00 -0500), Manny sent this:
>  Does anyone know of
>internet sites, mail-order, or stores in the new england area that could
>help?  Thanks in advance,
>Manny





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:57
Subject: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

>>         2.  Has anyone compiled an English translation to the table of
>>                 contents? [for Tanteidan 5]
>
>Yes, Anne LaVin has them, via her 'origami books' web page. You can get to
>Anne's and lots of other pages via Joseph Wu's page:
>http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

It's a great page, but the 5th book isn't up (yet?).  I did find 2-4,
making me want them even more....

-Joel





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:12
Subject: Re: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

>>1.  Mostly, can I get previous convention books, and if so, where?  I
assume they're >>of equal quality.

Unless you can find someone willing to part with an earlier convention book
you're unlikely to get the other 4... When I ordered tanteidan 5 all 5
volumes were available, however I only bought the one thinking that they
would always be available... big mistake :(

It has been said on the list before that book 5 wasn't that good compared to
previous convention booklets, this should give you some idea as to how good
its predecessors are.

Still good luck in your search.
Dave

New topic "Favourite Tanteidan Book & Why?"





From: "Gary W. Boyd" <mini@VOLSTATE.NET>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:15
Subject: my dirty little secret

   No lurker I, instead a no-can-folder.  My airplanes won't even fly.  But
the passions that spill from this list always satisfy the thirst of this
human life form.

   Owing to the generosity of ideas from many of you, I'm proud to be
involved in the establishment of 12 Origami Discovery pavilions in cities
across the United States.  These activity spots will highlight origami
diagrams with five foot tall folded metal sculptures.  Children can fold the
same image with free paper provided.  Christopher Holt has been a mentor of
inestimable value as an authority on origane ("folded metal", Lane Allen).
Ronald Koh, Jeremy Schafer, and David Derudas have each granted permission
for the free distribution of their chosen model's diagram.  Thanks to many
more who e-mailed me with suggestions, links, and very kind words.

   If anyone knows how to use Photoshop to render a paper model as being
made of copper, please let me know.

          Gary Boyd
Constructive Alternatives
     mini@volstate.net





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:16
Subject: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

>X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by imo-d07.mx.aol.com
>>>1.  Mostly, can I get previous convention books, and if so, where?  I
>assume they're >>of equal quality.
>
>[...]
>It has been said on the list before that book 5 wasn't that good compared to
>previous convention booklets, this should give you some idea as to how good
>its predecessors are.

In short, the ones I don't havve are better than I thought and they're
not available? :-(





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:22
Subject: Re: Tanteidan 5th convention book!

> In short, the ones I don't have are better than I thought and they're
>  not available? :-(

Im afraid so, in hindsight it was possibly a bit cruel to mention that...
(^_^)

Dave





From: Darryl Sheldon <Johydee1126@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:07
Subject: Re: Wet fold paper

Thanks for all the input.  The store I went to does import about 1500 types
of paper so I dont doubt that may be part of the reason for the high price.





From: Jeadams1@AOL.COM
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:30
Subject: New Diagrams Are Up!

I just placed diagrams for an angel I came up with at
http://members.aol.com/jeadams1/origami.html. Enjoy!

Jim





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:23
Subject: The Paper

I received my copy of OUSA's the PAPER a few days ago.  It featured a nice
profile of Michael La Fosse, an article by Jonathan Baxter--(he of SEOF
fame), 2 nice diagrams, a memory of Paul Krueger, and an article on an
exhibit of American Origami Masters.  All in all I was very pleased with this
issue.

Andrew Hans





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:03
Subject: Fred Rohm Model

In the latest BOS #200 (Great issue folks) there is an article by Edwin
Corrie on Fred Rohm's Puzzle Box.  In it, Edwin talks about a BOS Booklet
Series trilogy of Fred's models (which I just ordered).  He mentions that
Fred came up with an Origami Jack in the Box back in the early 60's.  Rohm,
it seems, also managed to do the Jack in the Box out of a dollar bill.  This
model unfortunately is not in the 3 volume BOS booklet, but does reside in
BOS's library, as well in a magic book by Paul Harris called the Art Of
Astonishment with new diagrams by Tony Dunn.

My question is does anyone out there in the world of origami have a picture
of the Dollar bill Jack in the Box by Rohm or the diagrams, or knows where I
can obtain a copy of either.

Please let me know.  Thanks.

Andrew Hans





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:48
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm Model

Hi,
I couldn't find where to order the trilogy.I have #200 am I missing it?
                               MIke
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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 20:06
Subject: Re: Fred Rohm Model

Goto the BOS website and order it/them from there:

www.britishorigami.org.uk

C'ya
Dave





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 26 Mar 2000 21:35
Subject: origami discovery pavilions

>
>Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:14:06 -0500
>From:    "Gary W. Boyd" <mini@VOLSTATE.NET>
>Subject: my dirty little secret
>

>
>   Owing to the generosity of ideas from many of you, I'm proud to be
>involved in the establishment of 12 Origami Discovery pavilions in cities
>across the United States.  These activity spots will highlight origami
>diagrams with five foot tall folded metal sculptures.  Children can fold the
>same image with free paper provided.  Christopher Holt has been a mentor of
>inestimable value as an authority on origane ("folded metal", Lane Allen).
>Ronald Koh, Jeremy Schafer, and David Derudas have each granted permission
>for the free distribution of their chosen model's diagram.  Thanks to many
>more who e-mailed me with suggestions, links, and very kind words.

>
>          Gary Boyd
>Constructive Alternatives
>     mini@volstate.net

These sound wonderful--where are the sites? Do you have a website  for the
project?
Karen
reeds@openix.com
