




From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 16 Mar 2000 17:26
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

> Try harder, Stephen. The current record, held by me, is that rose folded
out
> of 1 cm Japanese foil without tools or glue.
>
> 8)
>
> Smugly yours,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca
>

Bet that had the feathers flying in all directions !

Mark





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:11
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

>Try harder, Stephen. The current record, held by me, is that rose folded
>out
>of 1 cm Japanese foil without tools or glue.
>
>8)
>
>Smugly yours,

>Joseph Wu

It sounds like a challenge has been set. I'll borrow my mums glasses and see
what sort of mess I can make. A pint of lager to the winner (whenever I'm in
Canada or vice versa).

For the curious, Ive taken a photo of the inferiorly large 1" rose placed on
the appropriate page of OftC, I'll stick it on my webpage tonight in the
'essays' section.

Yours,

Stephen ;-)

PS : Finally sent off my cheque to the BOS and got my membership pack..so
watch out, I know where you live.

www.geocities.com/paperfolder.geo
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From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 16 Mar 2000 19:13
Subject: Info on book

I am wondering if this origami book is worthwhile buying:

Origami Dinosaurs
By Yoshihide Momotani
ISBN # 1568360088

Also can anyone give me a list of the models in it?





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Mar 2000 19:52
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

At 03:09 PM 3/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
It sounds like a challenge has been set. I'll borrow my mums glasses and see
>what sort of mess I can make. A pint of lager to the winner (whenever I'm in
>Canada or vice versa).

Winson Chan has also done a similar rose out of 1.25 cm paper (not foil).
He's also done the "new" rose out of something less than an inch (but I
forget the exact measurement).

>PS : Finally sent off my cheque to the BOS and got my membership pack..so
>watch out, I know where you live.

Oh, no! Please don't waterbomb my house! 8)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: "John R. Mizell" <superj@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:23
Subject: Re: Reaching the stage of complex origami!

        Ya know... I keep trying that thing, getting to the same spot,
putting it down (or throwing it away), and trying again later when
I'm not so frustrated (maybe 'days' later). I never can get it right.

        But I *did* read somewhere (either on this list or rec.arts.origami)
that Emma was going to take some pics of this step (or steps) and put
them on her website - like she did with the Kawasaki Rose from OftC -
on her site at
http://chocolate.custard.org/origami/

    At least, I *hope* that I'm repeating the right info. (Apologies, Emma,
if I am misquoting). I just tried to enter her site, though, and it moved real
slow. It says that her server is being refitted, and that it might be down for
a while.  I guess we shall just have to await the outcome... and hope it's a
good one. :-)

    John

Zach White wrote:

> i too spent about a week revisiting that step in the kawasaki rose that
> magically converts your piece of paper into a cylinder. the only difference
> is i never got it.





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:01
Subject: Re: Reaching the stage of complex origami! (long)

Many years ago, when I stupidly thought I knew all there was to know about
origami, I discovered a book called Paper Animals by a Robert J. Lang. I
was suitable impressed by the lion and deer featured on the front cover,
and rushed home to fold them. I failed.

Until this point I did not know that origami existed in its modern sense,
was still an active art form, or that people were designing things that
might actually be difficult to fold!

Looking at the dust-jacket of the book informed me that there were more
books by Robert Lang. I went to my local bookstore's database, and started
looking through their collection of origami books available (150! Where
had I been the past few years!). As well as the Lang I hoped to find (I
ordered Origami Zoo, and Origami Insects) there was this Montroll guy
obviously breaking his neck to swamp the origami market - "who was this
guy? Was he any good? Oh look, he did a book with Lang, he must be OK" ;-}

It didn't take too long for the books to arrive, and my eyes nearly bugged
out when I saw the models included. Origami Zoo was nicely graded in
difficulty from simple to complex, so I started from the beginning. After
two successful models, I was feeling pretty cocky again - "Bugger this,
I'm going for the rabbit!"

Failed. "Alright, take a few steps back and try that great looking mouse".
Failed.

I then went on to fail about three insects in a row from the other book
(hoping the first book was cursed somehow), went to the local library to
borrow a fascinating book called "Origami from Angelfish to Zen" and
failed a few models from that book - and finally came to the conclusion
that I was fooling myself in a big way.

Despite all the failures though, I was hooked. Peter Engel's book was a
real wake-up call, and soon after reading this book the thought occurred
to me "I wonder if the internet has any information about origami?" Duh!!
It didn't take long to find this list, as well as a whole new swag of
books to buy.

But I was discussing complexity (before that slight detour through
"amnesia park"). After so much failure, I took a few steps back in
complexity, and spent more time folding at this level. Whether it is
through becoming more comfortable with standard folding techniques, or
just a increased awareness of how paper works, I don't know. I am not
systematic with learning a new skill, just persistent.

I think books that are graded in difficulty are a nice way to ease into
complex models, or measure your current level of skill. It is nice to
revisit them to judge your improvement over time. Improving your skills
with higher levels of difficulty also means you can return to the simpler
models and this time fold them *well*, rather than just fold them.

Phew! That was a long one.
regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                    phone/voice mail: +61 6 (02) 6201 5665
Communication & Education                    fax: +61 6 (02) 6201 5068
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616

University of Canberra - 30 years making the difference





From: "Gary W. Boyd" <mini@VOLSTATE.NET>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 01:10
Subject: Folded Dreams

   I wonder if anyone can help me find a butterfly I saw somewhere on the
Web.  It was a photo of a yellow folded butterfly nested among some real
purple flowers.  Author, author!

          Gary Boyd
Constructive Alternatives
     mini@volstate.net

Creature Console
http://www.miniaturemonuments.com





From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 01:23
Subject: Re: Looking for pics!

>Hej!
>
>I'd like to show my internet friends how beautiful and realistic the Winston
>Chan diagrammed Kawasaki Rose is and since I don't remember the URLs to any of
>the places I've seen pics I'd like to hear if you could tell me some places to
>find pics to show them?
>I made my first Winston Chan version yesterday!!! Took the whole day, but it
>was really worth the effort! Now I started doing a second one but for some
>strange reason the first one was easier.
>Anyway, hope to get some URLs from you soon :)
>                                                 Anine
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
>
>http://melissadawn.johnson.org/mytree.jpg
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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 04:15
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> sez

>The current record, held by me, is that rose folded out
>of 1 cm Japanese foil without tools or glue.

Got a photo??

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:35
Subject: I'll help!

Hej!

I can see that many of you have got stuck in the Winston Chan diagram of the
Kawasaki rose where you have to make a cylinder. I succeeded in making a rose
in my second try by folding in front of the computer and have Scott Cramer on
IRC to help me with my questions. He made some comments which it doesn't say
in the diagram which was what made me succeed, so I thought that when I've
practiced for a bit I'll write here and try to explain in my way what happens.
Maybe the comments will help you like they helped me :)
Beware I've never succeeded in doing any complex or difficult models, so you
can make the rose too!!
Good luck!
               Anine

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From: Lumetronics <anool@BOM3.VSNL.NET.IN>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:11
Subject: Re: Looking for pics!

Take a look at http://anools-origami.tripod.com/kawasaki.htm

Anool :
email : anools-origami@mailcity.com
web page : http://anools-origami.tripod.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:54 PM
Subject: Looking for pics!

> Hej!
>
> I'd like to show my internet friends how beautiful and realistic the
Winston
> Chan diagrammed Kawasaki Rose is and since I don't remember the URLs to
any of
> the places I've seen pics I'd like to hear if you could tell me some
places to
> find pics to show them?
> I made my first Winston Chan version yesterday!!! Took the whole day, but
it
> was really worth the effort! Now I started doing a second one but for some
> strange reason the first one was easier.
> Anyway, hope to get some URLs from you soon :)
>                                                  Anine
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:44
Subject: NYP Exhibition Website

Hi, all:

I have to apologise to everyone who had problems accessing our NYP
Origami Exhibition website.

Albert has done some rework, and it should be in much better working
order now. It is still somewhat slow, because of the high graphic
content. Do give it another go, and please let me know if you have
further problems. Other comments are also most welcome.

The URL is http://www.geocities.com/albert_s.geo/ex2000/ex2000.htm

Thanks,

Ron.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Mar 2000 13:26
Subject: Re: waterbombs from plastic

And how about waterbombs from plastic pages for overhead projectors...Boy
I'll bet they would sure hold water......I'm off to give it a try...can't
wait to see what happens. Dorigami





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Mar 2000 13:45
Subject: Re: uses of waterbombs - response to Dorigami

Hi Jennifer and list
Thanks for responding with such good ideas....I call this think-tanking.
Sometimes I feel like I am talking to myself.  You are certainly a gal after
my own heart, I love your creative use of origami, going beyond the
boundaries of just folding paper, no glue, no scissors......I call this going
outside of the circle into the square (that is if you have drawn a circle
inside a square)  .  The circle is so often where people remain...too bad,
they are missing an adventure.

Hi Dorigami and list,

That's funny, I've also done up waterbombs to look like all those fruits you
mentioned plus the telephone too. I think a tiny pair of cherries is the
cutest. Colouring dots on a waterbomb to make a trick die is also a good
one. When I teach kids origami, this is one of my favourite models because
it's fun, easy and versatile.

When I teach kids origami, it's often part of a general craft session, with
scissors, glue and markers on the table as well as the coloured paper. I've
found that kids, especially young ones, naturally cross the boundaries when
it comes to any arbitrary rules of origami. They have no problems with
decorating models, or in the case of waterbomb fruit, cutting and gluing
attachments like stems and leaves. I encourage it with kids because it is
imaginative. (I also explain there's a definition of origami that doesn't
include glue or scissors-the plain waterbomb being an example--and I can
teach that too!)

I just don't like to be too rigid. I'll make a plain orange waterbomb and
ask them "what can we make out of this?" A child will suggest a pumpkin or
orange and then transform it with markers or a glued-on stem, etc. Much
better in the child's eyes than just saying "imagine it's an orange". Since
this type of activity is so far from the origami I do in my own hobby time,
I find it refreshing. Sometimes kids can take an idea farther than I ever
could. One disadvantage is that my kami gets used up quickly if there are
scissors on the table-construction paper is much cheaper for cutting up but
not near as nice for folding. Kids can't seem to resist stacks of coloured
paper!

One thing, gladly, that the kids have not expanded upon is the nefarious use
of the waterbomb... I prefer to call it a balloon.

Jennifer.





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 17:17
Subject: Monkey

I've diagrammed my monkey model and placed it on my web site. Thanks for all
the comments I recieved. They were mostly favourable, and the criticisms
were all useful.

So, once again I request your comments about the model (and the diagrams). I
did the diagrams very quickly (for me) so there may well be a few mistakes.

Thanks,
Robin.

www.keme.net/~rglynn/





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 22:33
Subject: Re: Reaching the stage of complex origami! (long)

I don't really look at models as being super complex or
intermediate, but rather how well they are diagrammed.  A really
super diagrammed model almost folds it's self while a poorly
diagrammed model becomes the worst nightmare!  I just keep
whacking away at it until I either fold the model or shelve for
a while and do other things, then later I come back to it and go
oh I know what that is! and there you go!  A good example is the
jackstone I manage to mangle one out years ago and decided it
was too hard to figure out and dropped it, then recently I was
bored and happened to have Harbin's book with me and started to
fold the Jackstone, the first attemp I was using brittle paper
and of cousre I ripped it, then later as I thought I had found
the thing that made it trouble I tried it with better or at
least more flexible paper, the result was a nice looking model.
Just keep trying sooner or later you will suceed, by accident if
not by talent!

Perry
--
"Continental chambermaids
are very hard to shock,
first they wait until your naked
then they enter, then they knock!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!





From: John Lapko <JLapko@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 13:51
Subject: Kawasaki rose

Hi!
Is the Kawasaki rose shown in BOS 98 pg40 diagrammed on the net? If so where
or if not is it possible to obtain said diagram?
Looking forward to a positive folding experience.
John





From: John Lapko <JLapko@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:06
Subject: Fwd: Kawasaki rose(correction)

In a message dated 3/18/00 1:49:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLapko writes:

<< Origami@MIT.Edu (Origami Mailing List) >>

Sorry I meant June 98 BOS 190.





From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:40
Subject: Recommended by: Susan Johnston

Hi,

Susan Johnston would like you to see this Web page:

http://www.ikansas.com/~rock/genie.html

Go visit The Blue Genie.  He reads your mind every time!!! It's awesome!

================================================
Susan Johnston also included this note:

It's nothing to do with origami but i want my wish to come true!
================================================

QUESTIONS:

* Were hot dogs ever made of dogs?
* How do astronauts use the bathroom in space?
* What's so French about French fries?

http://mailbits.com/goto/hotdog.asp?e-TAF

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 16:21
Subject: Which books?

Hi all,
   Seems a bit quiet on the list tonight so I thought I would carry out an
act of profound altruism and set a thread going (^_^). I had a lot of good
feedback on which Montroll book would be most suited to my friend so here
goes...

What would you consider to be the/your top 10 commercially available origami
books?

I've tried the archive and haven't been able to get the results I'm looking
for...

Thanks
Dave

(Im sure Viva origami is great but... ;)





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 16:44
Subject: Re: Which books?

Ooops missed out my list...

1. Fantasy Origami by Fumiaki Kawahata
2. Issei Super Complex Origami by Yoshino Issei.
3. Origami Sea Life by Montroll and Lang
4. Mythological creatures and the Chinese Zodiac in origami by Montroll
5. Prehistoric Origami by Montroll
6. Animal origami for the Enthusiast by Montroll
7. Origami for the connoisseur by Kunihiko Kasahara and ToshieTakahama
8. errrm its getting tougher now... Angel fish to Zen by Peter Engel
9. Any book by Tokmo Fuse (everyone should own at least one)
9.5 Origami insects and their Kin by Lang
10. Creative Origami by Kunihiko Kasahara

The questions a bit tougher than I thought... My favourite books are out of
print so the list does seem to end up a little Montroll heavy... I think I
should start to look at a few other authors...

Dave





From: Bimal Ramesh Desai <desaib@MEDICINE.WUSTL.EDU>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 16:55
Subject: Re: Which books?

top 10 books (no particular order, just my 10 favorites)

1. Origami Fantasy, Kawahata
2. Origami Sea Life, Lang & Montroll
3. Origami for the Connoisseur, Kasahara & Takahama
4. Origami from Angelfish to Zen, Engel
5. Origami for the Enthusiast, Montroll
6. Brilliant Origami, Brill
7. African Animals in Origami, Montroll
8. Origami Insects and their Kin, Lang
9. Super Complex Origami, Issei Yoshino
10. Spirals (complete title?), Fuse

===============================================================================

Bimal R. Desai                                               Apartment 508
(314) 361-1500                                      4615 Lindell Boulevard
desaib@medicine.wustl.edu                              St. Louis, MO 63108





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:08
Subject: Re: Which books?

In no particular order--
Folding the Universe by Engel
Complete Origami by Lang
Origami Omnibus by Kasahara
Unit Origami by Fuse
Origami Zoo by Weiss and Lang
Origami Sea Life by Montroll and Lang
North American Animals in Origami by Montroll
Creative Origami by Kasahara
Complete Origami by Kenneway
Origami Insects and Their Kin by Lang

There's a good mix of simple and complex in there. For anyone who hasn't
read "Godel, Escher, Bach" (and even tose who have) the introduction to
Folding the Universe is worth the price of the book alone. All the best -
c!!!

`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>From all these trees--
in salads, soups, everywhere--
cherry blossoms fall
                       -Basho





From: John Lapko <JLapko@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Mar 2000 19:47
Subject: Complex dragon

Hello,
I'm looking for anyone who sat in on a class for folding a complex dragon at
the 99 OUSA convention. A large sheet of brown paper was used. The head was
the complex part. Otherwise I would unfold my sample.The instructor took our
names and said would try to get diagrams for us. I did not get any. Perhaps
you did. If you did please let me know as to how I might get a copy.
Happy folding
John(jlapko@aol.com)





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 03:41
Subject: Re: Info on book

The dinosaurs in this book are generally fairly simple and rather
angular models, most of which require two sheets of paper. Whether this
book is a worthwhile buy depends very much, really, on ones preferences.
The models have a certain degree of elegance, although they are not
quite the challenging sort of origami I prefer. I bought the book off
the shelf, and I don't buy books which do not appeal to me in one way or
another.

The models in this book are:

apatosaurus
anchisaurus
allosaurus
diplodocus
edmontosaurus
parasaurolophus
stegosaurus
T-Rex
dimetrodon
pteranodon
rhamphorhynchus
iguanodon
godzilla (!?)
Ornitholestes

slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM wrote:
>
> I am wondering if this origami book is worthwhile buying:
>
> Origami Dinosaurs
> By Yoshihide Momotani
> ISBN # 1568360088
>
> Also can anyone give me a list of the models in it?





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 04:02
Subject: Appropriate paper

Hi!

Can anyone tell me what kind and size of paper is best to use for a first
try at Robert Lang's Origami Insects?

Thanks in advance for your tips & happy folding to all!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 04:19
Subject: Re: Appropriate paper

Any paper which will stay folded, is tear-proof, and is one meter square
or more should do nicely, Julia ;o)

Julia Palffy wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Can anyone tell me what kind and size of paper is best to use for a first
> try at Robert Lang's Origami Insects?
>
> Thanks in advance for your tips & happy folding to all!
>
> Julia Palffy
> Zug, Switzerland
> jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 08:31
Subject: Re: Appropriate paper

On Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 09:58:11AM +0100, Julia Palffy wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what kind and size of paper is best to use for a first
> try at Robert Lang's Origami Insects?

I fared well with 20cm foil-backed paper, although for the more
difficult models (the Samurai Helmet Beetle, in particular), larger
paper is preferable.

Oh, by the way, while Robert Lang claims that all the models in this
book can be folded from 25cm kami, Klaus-Dieter Ennen has done even
better: He has folded all of them from 15cm kami. (Not something I would
try on the first attempt, though.)

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@moebius.inka.de>

TANSTAAFL: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 09:49
Subject: Montroll animals!

Hey!

I was just wondering, since I just succeeded in folding the goose and the
pelican by Montroll from Origami For The Connoisseur, could someone tell me
what level they're at? Just wanna know what level I'm at :)
Also, you people that can fold those models nicely.. how do you do it when you
have to fold so many layers? I folded them from big squares of Kraft paper.
That was all I could think of right now..
See ya!
            Anine

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 10:08
Subject: Fuse books

Which is the better book 'Origami Spiral' or 'Lets Make Spiral' Im
considering ordering from Bookends but Im can half recall D whitbeck
mentioning that one was better than the other about 6 months ago but couldn't
recall which was which...

Dave





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 10:54
Subject: Re: Which books?

In no particular order, and just off the top of my head...
1 Origami for the Conn.....     Kasahara
2 Origami Omnibus       Kasahara
3 Creative Origami      Kasahara
4 Origami made easy     Kasahara
5 Joy of Origami        Kasahara

(Guess my favorite folder yet?)

6 Spirals 1     Fuse
7 Spirals 2     Guess?
8 Jurassic Origami Edwin Ee
9 Brilliant Origami (Or Dave will never speak to me again)
10 Anything by Nick Robinson (for reasons see 9!)

You will notice an absence of books by Yoshizawa but that's because I
don't know the title of the books I have, and also they should be taken
as read for this sort of list anyway!!!!
As for the Lang and Montroll books I find these more of a dip into and
out again due to the complexity of some of the models, and also the way
some of them seem to be more or less variations on a theme (not wanting
to say the themes aren't good!). And if I could fold any of the insects
there would be another book on the list!

If we are including BOS publications this list would be radically
different, especially if out-of-print/about to be reprinted booklets
were allowed!

Finally what about a list of "books I wished I had left in the
bookshop"??????!!!!!!!??

(Well, this short missive has turned into a major piece of literature
hasn't it!)
--
Mark





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 11:22
Subject: David Brills snail mail address

I'm stuck up in Bristol and I need to post David Brill something ASAP. I
dont have my address book/BOS stuff. Could anyone mail me his snail mail
address?

Many thanks,

Stephen
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From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 11:31
Subject: Which books?

With me it's not so much favorite books, but favotite models.  I don't
have any books where I fold even half of the models, but still, in no
particular order:

Montroll:

        ORIGAMI FOR THE ENTHUSIAST:  These two are my all-time favorites.
        ANIMAL ORIGAMI FOR THE ENTHUSIAST
        ORIGAMI INSIDE OUT: worth it for the blue jay alone
        ORIGAMI SCULTPTURES: worth it for the panda alone

ORIGAMI FOR THE CONNOISSEUR.  Of course.

FOLDING THE UNIVERSE. (Am I the only one who loves this??  I know it's
really hard, but....): The valentine is worth the price of the book;
the butterfly is amazing, even though I've been unable to repeat my
first successful attempt.  BTW, when I say really hard, consider page
216, step 27, in which Engel writes "This takes patience and several
pairs of hands."!

-Joel





From: Michael Anderson <manderso@ACAD2.DANA.EDU>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 12:38
Subject: Origami IRC

I have seen some recent references to people discussing folds on IRC.
Is there an Origami IRC channel? Is it on Efnet? I checked last night
and no one was on an origami channel on efnet. Is there a specific
time people are on?

I would love to converse with other folders. Please let me know the info.

Thanks!

Michael





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 12:49
Subject: Re: [Origami IRC]

Hej Michael and others!

We are only 3 people going to #Origami everyday, but more people are surely
welcome!
We are at Dalnet (try the server ced.dal.net) and I can't say what time we're
there because of the timedifference... so I have no idea when it would be for
you :) But come by, you may be lucky!
When I'm there I use the nick Josefin!
Hope to see you there soon!
                               Anine aka Josefin

Michael Anderson <manderso@ACAD2.DANA.EDU> wrote:
I have seen some recent references to people discussing folds on IRC.
Is there an Origami IRC channel? Is it on Efnet? I checked last night
and no one was on an origami channel on efnet. Is there a specific
time people are on?

I would love to converse with other folders. Please let me know the info.

Thanks!

Michael

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From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 12:59
Subject: Strange mail - listmaster help?

Hej!

Why do I get this msg everytime I write to the mailinglist?

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:59:39 -0500
            Sun, 19 Mar 00 18:48PM MET
      From:
            Mailer-Daemon@lamg.com (Mailer-Daemon)
        To:
            anine21@usa.net
    Subject:
            NDN: Re: [Origami IRC]

   Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

   Terry Hall,LAMG BBS (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that
   the name has been entered correctly.)
-----------------------------------------------------

Hope someone fixes it soon :)
                                  Anine

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 13:01
Subject: Re: Which books?

Mark wrote:
>  If we are including BOS publications this list would be radically
>  different, especially if out-of-print/about to be reprinted booklets
>  were allowed!

I think everybody's would, my favourite book is Tanteidan 3 (for the squirrel
and Yoda diagrams) but my favourite model is the devil from Viva origami and
while both of these books are worthy of anyone's top 10 neither are available
anymore :(

Incidentally no problem at all with the BOS publications... so long they're
still in print/production. The reason I started this topic was more or less
literally to get an idea of books to recommend to others, Ive found usually
when someone recommends a book to me its no longer in print... heck some of
us can't quite afford the 126 for the hardback Papiroflexia Zoomorfica on
E-Bay :) )

I love the idea of books I wish I left in the bookshop, think of all the
things I could have done instead of creating crumplegami with Origami insects
and their kin... (^_^)

Dave

Incidentally If you had to choose spirals 1 or 2 which would it be and why,
and using their proper titles which is which :) )
(Only enough spare pennies for one of them at the moment)





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 13:46
Subject: Re: Strange mail - listmaster help?

I keep getting it too...anyone out there responsible?

PS : Thanks to all for sending me David Brills address. Most seem to say the
same thing :-)

Now lets see if I've got the .sig file working,

Stephen

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 14:11
Subject: New models and Photos - dinosaurs

Hi all,

I've greatly re-shaped the dinosaurs section of my website, replacing most
of the diagrams and adding an awful lot more. These models lie mostly
between intermediate and complex, with quite a few difficult ones. Ive also
been playing with my new camera rather a lot, so there are high quality
photos of all the models. And by messing about with Paintshop pro and the
scanner, Ive got the memory usage of all these as low as possible. The list
is as follows (asterisks show difficulty, hashes show version number!)

Procompsognathus (#3) **
Compsognathus ***
Coelophysis ****
Allosaurus (#2) ***
Tyrannosaurus Rex (#2) ***
Velociraptor **
Deinonychus ***
Melanorosaurus **
Apatosaurus (diags coming soon) ****
Styracosaurus ****
Triceratops (diags coming soon) ****
Saurolophus ***
Iguanadon ***
Lambeosaurus ***
Ankylosaurus ****
Stegosaurus (#2) (diags coming soon) ****

Ive tried to present it in a clear scientific fashion. If any
palaentologists are viewing, I'd appreciate feedback and corrections.

I've got diagrams for a pteranodon, a crytoclidus, an opthalmosaurus and an
edmuntosaurus in preparation, along with some of the above.

I hope that my site will add to the several great dino origami books out
there. Please enjoy,

Stephen

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From: Bimal Ramesh Desai <desaib@MEDICINE.WUSTL.EDU>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 15:29
Subject: Re: Which books?

> I think everybody's would, my favourite book is Tanteidan 3 (for the squirrel
> and Yoda diagrams) but my favourite model is the devil from Viva origami and
> while both of these books are worthy of anyone's top 10 neither are available
> anymore :(

Actually, I just bought both Tanteidan 3 and Tanteidan 5 from Sasuga books
in Cambridge, Mass. back in November.  I wonder if that was just a
coincidence and they happened to have them lying around.  If you're
interested in checking, their number in the states is 617-497-5460, and
their address is 7 Upland Rd, Cambridge MA.  Karen Yahara handles their
orders.  I know she has an email address, but I don't know it off hand.

But I concur, the Yoda and Devil are two of my favorite models also.

-B





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:49
Subject: Paper placemat

I'm probably the last one in the US to notice... The paper placemat in the
restaurant where I had dinner tonight was of A proportions. D. Brill's star
box helped me wait for my food; the scallped edges didn't get in the way
much.
--Elise





From: Michael Anderson <manderso@ACAD2.DANA.EDU>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 22:08
Subject: Pig

Does anyone know of a pig diagram online? One that I can actually finish. :-)

Michael





From: "Gary W. Boyd" <mini@VOLSTATE.NET>
Date: 19 Mar 2000 22:25
Subject: Butterfly

   Thanks to all who helped me find a beautiful butterfly model by David
Derudas.  If you haven't seen it yet, cruise over to:
http://www.essenet.it/cdo/gallery.htm .

   By way of introduction, I am a builder and have devised ways to design
decks with intricate flooring patterns.  I am interested in exploring the
possibility of using origami motifs.  The hopeful result will be a deck with
an image that is reproduced in a free standing folded metal sculpture.  To
use the Peace Crane as an example, I would first commission one to be folded
about five feet tall out of copper.  Standing on the deck, it would throw a
'shadow' of itself in the decking.

   As an initiation to the advent of my new e-zine, I will build twelve of
these designs in major U.S. cities.  They are to be donated for the purpose
of introducing origami primarily to children in neighborhood parks.

   On the eleven-o-clock news will be a human interest story applauded by
local Arts Councils spotlighting the donation of a free interactive
children's learning exhibit to the city.  On completed outside view is an
antiqued copper origane (folded metal) sculpture, with its 'shadow'
permanently laid out across the deck flooring in front of it.  Each child
may use the paper and diagrams provided to fold the same object, immersing
themselves in the centuries - old oriental origami tradition.  All networks
= free coverage (also was easily managed for my  Miniature Monuments, see
bottom link).  I have several copyright approvals for combinable creations
and have secured the services of world - renowned metal folder Christopher
Holt, who advises and is willing to accept commissions.  Paper models that
the kids can fold and long to display have our web addresses printed on the
free 3" x 3" origami papers (very collectible).

   I appreciate criticism and compliments and could really use help in
rendering images of diagrams into finished metal sculptures.  If you have
talent with Photoshop or POV-ray and can give me a hand, please write:

          Gary Boyd
Constructive Alternatives
     mini@volstate.net

Creature Console
http://www.miniaturemonuments.com





From: CQBERKEY3 <CQBERKEY3@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:03
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

OK, Where's the Dime next to it to compare size????????? Can you update it
with dime???
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

> >Try harder, Stephen. The current record, held by me, is that rose folded
> >out
> >of 1 cm Japanese foil without tools or glue.
> >
> >8)
> >
> >Smugly yours,
>
> >Joseph Wu
>
> It sounds like a challenge has been set. I'll borrow my mums glasses and
see
> what sort of mess I can make. A pint of lager to the winner (whenever I'm
in
> Canada or vice versa).
>
> For the curious, Ive taken a photo of the inferiorly large 1" rose placed
on
> the appropriate page of OftC, I'll stick it on my webpage tonight in the
> 'essays' section.
>
> Yours,
>
> Stephen ;-)
>
> PS : Finally sent off my cheque to the BOS and got my membership pack..so
> watch out, I know where you live.
>
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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 03:49
Subject: Re: Pig

Michael Anderson <manderso@ACAD2.DANA.EDU> sez

>Does anyone know of a pig diagram online? One that I can actually finish. :-)

There's a superb Corrie grunter in the latest BO magazine,  if you're a
member, that is!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    www.britishorigami.org.uk





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 04:47
Subject: Re: Pig

>Does anyone know of a pig diagram online? One that I can actually finish. :-)

Try Joseph Wu's Flying Pig, With a little work it is possible to put the
wings back inside the pig and it makes it a bit fatter... still if you joined
BOS... ;) )

(You can find links to the diagrams on his web page, I think there may
actually be a few pig diagrams under animals but you'll have to check...)

Dave





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:06
Subject: Re: Pig

>Does anyone know of a pig diagram online? One that I can actually finish.
>:-)
>
>Michael

Theres an intermediate one on my website.

Stephen

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:10
Subject: Re: Kawazaki rose and smugness

>OK, Where's the Dime next to it to compare size????????? Can you update it
>with dime???

In the UK, a dime is a chocolate bar, so I'm not quite sure what that would
prove ;-p

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From: John McKeever <John@IMRNI.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 07:33
Subject: Re: Which books? (longish)

OK, in no order:

Origami: the Art of Paperfolding by Robert Harbin (currently released under the
     name "Teach Yourself Origami")
...for getting me into origami in the first place, back in the mid eighties.

Wild Origami by P.D. Tuyen
..for getting me back into origami when I picked a copy up in June 1998. To be
     honest, a lot of the models in this book look really clunky to me now (I
     thought the ant was amazing the first time I saw it, but later I saw
     Robert Lang's one...) I still reck

Origami for the Connoisseur by Kasahara and Takahama
I think this has been on everyone's list. It's about time someone released
     another good compendium of different authors like this... the last English
     language one that I can think of (not including convention packs) is the
     Biddle's "The New Origami".

Selected Geometric Paper Folds by Philip Shen (Diagrammed by Paul Jackson. Only
     available through BOS supplies. Cheap, though.)
Brilliant. 16 single sheet 3D geometric forms, some from equilateral triangles,
     regular pentagons or hexagons, but most from squares. A lot of the models
     use dry tension to hold curved surfaces in place (e.g. the 5-petalled
     flower and the "Form"). A lot o

Animal Origami for the Enthusiast by John Montroll
Origami Sculptures by John Montroll
I only have 4 of Montroll's main books (the others being OftE and the very
     inconsistent Mythical Creatures), so this selection might have been
     different if I had more. Most people seem to agree that Sculptures is his
     best, though.

Origami Insects and their Kin by Robert Lang
Folding from this book can sometimes be a traumatic experience, but most of the
     models are really impressive. I love the 3D dry tension in the ant and the
     Hercules beetle.

Origami Fantasy by Fumiaki Kawahata
Not sure if this is commercially available any more. It's disappeared from the
     Sasuga Books website, so I think only Origami USA supplies and Fascinating
     Folds might have copies left.

Super Complex Origami by Issei Yoshino
Contains some really unusual (and difficult) folds. Origami motorcycles, curved
     mane folding, a triceratops skeleton... The horse, spinosaur and apatosaur
     don't even have bases as such - is there a name for this sort of folding?

Brilliant Origami by David Brill
Some cool unusual subject matter in this one (a matchbox with matches plus
     sliding tray and a cigarette box with cigarettes, both from a single
     rectangle; a Christmas tree fairy; a nut and bolt). Also has his classic
     horse, a lion family and quite a few m

John

>>> Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM> 03/18/00 09:20pm >>>
Hi all,
   Seems a bit quiet on the list tonight so I thought I would carry out an
act of profound altruism and set a thread going (^_^). I had a lot of good
feedback on which Montroll book would be most suited to my friend so here
goes...

What would you consider to be the/your top 10 commercially available origami
books?





From: "Mark Y. McKinnon" <mym@LUCENT.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 07:54
Subject: lovers knot

Does anyone know where the diagrams for a lover's
knot can be found? This is a note that when folded
cannot be unfolded without knowing that the note
has been read. It is very similar to some box
diagrams I've seen in OUSA annual '89 where the
box cannot be unfolded.

Thanks for the help.

Mark





From: Gilad Aharoni <gaharoni@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 08:56
Subject: Re: lovers knot

There's a lover's knot in Robert Harbin's Origami Step by Step - page 14.

Hope this helps

            Gilad

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Y. McKinnon <mym@LUCENT.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 2:51 PM
Subject: lovers knot

> Does anyone know where the diagrams for a lover's
> knot can be found? This is a note that when folded
> cannot be unfolded without knowing that the note
> has been read. It is very similar to some box
> diagrams I've seen in OUSA annual '89 where the
> box cannot be unfolded.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mark





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:13
Subject: Re: Lovers knot

It can be found in Magic of Origami by Gray/Kasahara.  Or
Creating Origami by JC Nolan (?)

Good luck!





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:29
Subject: Re: lovers knot

Also, in Harbin's 'Secrets of Origami', the lovers' knot can be folded
from the first six steps for the husky.

Gilad Aharoni wrote:
>
> There's a lover's knot in Robert Harbin's Origami Step by Step - page 14.
>
> Hope this helps
>
>             Gilad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Y. McKinnon <mym@LUCENT.COM>
> To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 2:51 PM
> Subject: lovers knot
>
> > Does anyone know where the diagrams for a lover's
> > knot can be found?





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:56
Subject: (NO) Strange Mail

Now I am getting the same strange mail that Anine and Dr O'Hanlon
received.... :o(





From: Dee and Bob <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:07
Subject: Re: Which books?

Not in any particular order, these are just the ones I seem to go back
to time and again to get materials for teaching):

1. The Magic of Origami -- Kasahara and Grey

2. Easy Origami - Kasahara

3. Origami Omnibus - Kasahara

4. Origami for the Connoisseur (or however you spell that!) - Kasahara

5. The New Origami - the Biddle's

6. Origami Essentials - the Biddles

7. Amazing Origami for Children - the Biddles (any chance it will ever
be reprinted?)

8. Teach Yourself Origami - Montroll

9. Easy Origami - Montroll

10. Paper Creations - Merrill-Gross

For myself, I like Fuse, and other - harder - Montroll and Robert Lang
and just about anything Japanese... :-)

Dee

>
> What would you consider to be the/your top 10 commercially available origami
> books?





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:09
Subject: Re: Appropriate paper

Julia asked:

>Can anyone tell me what kind and size of paper is best to use for a first
>try at Robert Lang's Origami Insects?

    The 'second sheet' paper mentioned in _The_Complete_Book_  by Robert J.
Lang is great stuff for complex models. You may be able to find some in a
stationery store, it was used for making carbon copies back in the last
century. It is thinner than kami, and very resilient and tear-resistant. On
the downside, it comes in lifeless pastel colors. I use it for first
attempts at complex stuff, but rarely for finished models.

    I have a ream of dead-canary yellow which I can't seem to make a dent in
after five years of folding. I'd be happy to send some to anyone who wants
to give it a try. Contact me privately with a snail mail address if you're
interested.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:01
Subject: Any news on new $ book?

Anyone have any new information on the Montroll $book?
Thanks,
Joe
--------------------Below is from the archives----------------------------

>Subject: Re: new Montroll book
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:01:13 -0500

>Snip<
> Mr. Montroll told us that the book after B.O.t.L. would be
>coming out in February, and will be a book of $ animal folds. The class
>where I learned this was for the purpose of beta-testing some of those $
>diagrams... I remember a Triceratops, a shark, an elephant, a rhino and a
>pig, but there were numerous others.
>snip<





From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@BC.SEFLIN.ORG>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:05
Subject: Re: lover's knot

The lover's knot has always been a favorite of mine. I picked it up in
Samuel Randlett's book (I'm not sure which one). My favorite trick with
that fold is to make double, triple, quadruple versions of it using
appropriately proportioned paper. The idea for that came from his
double-blintz star fold.

It's very therapeutic to fold a string of these out of one long sheet of
paper. I haven't diagrammed it.

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bc.seflin.org

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Mark Y. McKinnon wrote:

> Does anyone know where the diagrams for a lover's
> knot can be found? This is a note that when folded
> cannot be unfolded without knowing that the note
> has been read. It is very similar to some box
> diagrams I've seen in OUSA annual '89 where the
> box cannot be unfolded.
>
> Mark





From: William Nelson <wnelson18@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:39
Subject: BOS 200

Has anyone received BOS 200?
W. Nelson





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 22:10
Subject: Re: Fuse books

On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Dave Stephenson wrote:

> Which is the better book 'Origami Spiral' or 'Lets Make Spiral'

Tough question. I can never remember which book is which, but check the
publication dates - I will refer to "older" and "newer".

I found the older
book to have a better sense of style, building on logical themes. It
includes the famous shell photographed in "Origami for the Connoisseur",
and "Spring into Action" by Jeff Beynon. There are some variations of the
nautilus shell (single-sheet), followed by modular spiral shells (usually
four sheets of paper), and then some boxes with spiral designs.

The newer book has a greater focus on single-sheet models, and therefore
more demanding (skill-wise). Many of the models require extensive
pre-creasing, with the result achieved by a giant collapse. I found not
understanding Japanese to be a greater disadvantage with this book, but
the challenge is certainly enjoyable (at times....). There is also a
section in the back of modular "frames", with different folded/cut paper
inserted inside (never tried any of these). Models that
I particularly like include the butterfly on lilypad and the spiral tree.

The books, in my opinion, make a nice set - as I ordered them together I
tend to think of them this way. If asked to separate, I would go for the
first (older) book - the models are easier to fold, easier to teach, and
make great "wow!" presents for their relative simplicity (the nautilus
sitting on my desk at work receives the most favourable comments, and some
other shells I folded for a "paper-art" show were voted "most handled"
;-}).

regards
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 20 Mar 2000 22:58
Subject: New Auction - April 10th deadline

The Paul Krueger Travel Fund continues to grow. We are half way to our goal,
thanks to a very generous cash donation from a local folder and offers of books.
Here are the latest. If you bid (email me privately) I'll let you know the
status of the bids.

Nick Robinson offers this:
I've got a rareish British book called "Have fun with origami" by Robert
Harbin - full of designs that were sent in to the "Look-in" magazine in
the early 70's" and a copy of "1 dozen folds" by err me - now out of
print & ever to remain so - 12 designs by Brill, Walker, Beynon etc.
I'll sign it or not, depending on which is more valuable!

Also, I have OUSA Annuals
1991 Cover Stained
1995 (Out of Print and no longer available)
1996
1997 (Two of them)

A Shumakov "exemplar" 100 page Russian book of 34 of their originals in color
including the wonderful 5 piece connecting modular clown. A bid of $10 exists
on this one.

Origami Page-a-day Calendar 2000 (box is broken)

I'll let you know what the shipping will be if you win the bid. Deadline April
10th.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 04:50
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek
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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 06:13
Subject: Re: Fuse books

Well if I can find out the publication dates of 1 and 2 I'll be placing my
order for the older one, perhaps I'll get its companion in a few months
time... give me a chance to finish the old one first (^_^)

Thanks
Dave





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 06:17
Subject: (NO) Did anyone figure out the error message

>>Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
>>
>>terryh,LAMG BBS (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the
>>name has been entered correctly.)

?
Dave





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 07:35
Subject: Reaching the stage of complex origami!

I'll contribute my evolutionary experiences into the ring on this topic:

First there is much muttering and quite probably a few profanities ending
with beautifully colored paper wads.

Seriously though, I do find that once I have violated the holiness of a
fresh unmarred piece of folding paper, it seems easier to keep working the
difficult parts over and over, because I've accepted the fact that this
particular piece of paper is not going to be my trophy piece.  So, on the
recommendation of someone on this list several years ago, I make several
copies of the model and take them all up to the point where I'm sure I have
it right.  Then I just experiment with one of them until it falls apart and
then move on to the next one.  Believe it or not this helps - you get very
familiar with the 'movement' of the paper and start to get a sense of
'where it wants to go' (if that makes any sense).

Also, I sometimes find it helpful, (when possible) to simply skip over the
confusing step(s).  If you try to carry on with the remaining instructions,
often you'll end up seeing how the model should have looked and get a
better feel for what that difficult step was trying to do.

Finally, I find it useful to re-examine all of the diagrams up to the point
where I have trouble.  Most of the time it will turn out that I have
overlooked some preparatory step or glossed over some tricky bit.  So make
sure your model looks e-x-a-c-t-l-y like the models in the diagrams at each
stage of the way.

Not all diagrams are equal IMHO.  If you want to start doing complex
models, go for something of Mr. Montroll's or Mr. Lang's.

It's just my opinion, it can't hurt you.
