




From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 10 Feb 2000 22:24
Subject: Re: Imaginary Models

    I don't know of any way of representing imaginary numbers (except folding
a letter "i").  A model of a fractal, however, would be more feasible.  A
fractal is devised from an equation with imaginary numbers.  The results are
infinitely reiterated into the equation.  The finished fractal is composed of
a repeating pattern.  (i.e. in the mandalbrot, a half oval branches off into
two half ovals, then each of those into two other half ovals, etc...)  Almost
any reiterating origami pattern (a tree perhaps?) could be a fractal.

Stuart

Zxenor@AOL.COM writes:

<< I was wondering if there was a model that somehow represented
 imaginary numbers (example:  mandelbrot set?). >>





From: Dennis Cuy <astra01@HOME.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 00:27
Subject: Re: "New" Kawasaki Rose Help!

Ross wrote:
>Dennis wrote:
>>THANKS!!  This is just what I needed!  I need a little more practice
>>to get the cylinder tighter, but your pointers got me through to the end.
>>I really like this model!
>
>UGH!!!!! unfair!!!
>
>i've been working on this model for MONTHS now and i STILL don't get
>it...i've searched the archives, i've asked for advice...i've expirimented
>several times and i'm starting to get mad :-(.  I have thrown away SO MANY
>prefolded papers that i am about to give up on the entire thing.  i can get
>the twist fold i can pull the flaps together...kinda (i'm not too sure if it
>is right because the picture looks like it was drawn out of perspective)but
>WHAT DO I DO AFTER THAT??  it doesn't make any sense the way it is worded...
>
>...congrats by the way

Thanks!

I felt the same way when I was looking at the flap thing - I couldn't
figure out how to get a cylinder!

Maybe I can help on your rose...After the flaps are together, do the
previously creased crimping that can be found at the top of the cylinder
(as seen in 21) - make sure the "petals" push back around the rose.  Now
I didn't really follow the line thing in step 22. For steps 23-25, turn
the model upside down and look at the tip of one of the four "petals."
Compare it to the diagram in step 24.  The upper right portion of the
diagram will be more towards the center of the rose and you'll reverse
fold it across the "petal" along the marks shown.  Remember that the
diagonal line in step 24 should go across one more square and all the
other lines shift down accordingly.  You should get what you see in step
25 - I have to finagle it sometimes.  Don't worry too much if you have to
peel the petal back a little.  The crimps hold things in place, and you
can adjust things later after you do step 25 on the 4 "petals."  Mark
suggested working counter-clockwise and that seemed easy enough for me,
too.

The next set of reverse folds are sort of similar.  The one thing that's
neat is that as you do the reverse folds from steps 24-27, each petal
can be "popped" over so that it fits around the rest of the rose.

Good luck and I hope this helps.  It's pretty tough to describe this in
writing.  Once you finish it though, it is easier than it looks!

Dennis





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Feb 2000 00:33
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

I forgot the wallets I make out of Contact paper.   This is plastic paper
with a peel off coating.  I fold it without peeling the backing off.  Dorigmai





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Feb 2000 00:34
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

Just saw the picture "The Cup"  It is about displaced Tibeten Monks and the
new culture creeping into the old.  The boys in the monastary are folding
origami sometimes when they should be praying.....It was a very cute
picture......Dorigami





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 04:36
Subject: (No)  Re: Sv:      Re: Imaginary Models

From: "Dan Gries"

> ok, i would like to state for the record that i am a mathematician,
> and i would rather fold bunnies.
> -dan

Does the A.S.P.C.A. know about this fetish.  :-)
Joe





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Feb 2000 05:33
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed, Part One

Aloha David Lister,
This is Kenneth Kawamura.  :-)

    <snip>
> Confining my elf for the moment

(Interesting mental image that conjures up)

>  I was greatly impressed by Kenny Kawamura's tour de force in which he
listed
>  not only tangible things like rubber balloons, leaves, cords, wood, metal
> and
>  "mathematical objects", but also abstract concepts like computer
programming
>  algorithms, catastrophe theory, and optics, not to mention imaginary
science
>  fiction speculations.
>
>  All very fascinating, but, again, I was really trying to think of basic
>  materials which could be used for  practical origami.

Glad to amuse you. However, I do think code and data folding, as
intangible as they may be, are eminently practical.

>  Like Dorigami, Kenny
>  lists several kinds of paper items and sources of paper suitable for
folding,
>
>  including money, business cards newspapers and magazines. Under "cords" he
>  lists techniques using cords and yarn, including twining, knotting, tatting
>  and braiding. These, however, are not materials, but techniques which stand
>  in their own right on a par with origami.

(And those techniques are sometimes borrowed, or simulated, in origami.
the cross-fertilization goes both ways.)

>  On the principle that even if your head is in the clouds it's a good idea
to
>  keep your feet on the ground, my own thinking has been confined to
materials
>  to which the folding techniques of mainstream origami (ordinary folding)
can
>  be applied.
    <snip>

Ok. I have no problem with the line you draw. Just ignore me wandering
over it every now and then to look for greener pastures.

    <snip>
>  If we permutate all the materials and all the methods of making nets or
>  meshes we will end up with an unmanageable list. I propose to limit the
>  selection to the following:

    <snip>
You know, you could  consider both the nets and meshes and paper under
the larger heading of fabrics. Then break fabrics down into felts (including
bark paper, rag paper, woodpulp paper, and more recently plant fiber paper
like the agave, hemp, and kudzu papers), nets and meshes (which include
tatting, lace, knitting, and macrame), woven fabrics (like cloth, burlap,
silk,
linen, and the japanese woven paper-thread cloth), organic fabrics (those
that are for the most part grown, some tree barks, the fibrous sheets
formed by certain palms and cycads and ferns, leaves, skin and leather
and parchment), and (because I can't think of a better name) sheets and films
(including plastic sheet, metal foil and gold leaf, pasta and other formed
and
dried starch or protein films), and maybe composites (like foiled paper,
tissue foil, waxed paper, oiled paper, and the new packaging materials that
are fused layers of plastics, metal, and paper).

>  John Andrisan said that he had folded a Saar Star made from a "wonton"
sheet.
>
>  It sounds unsavoury to me! But what exactly is a "wonton" sheet?

Common in chinese restaurants in the USA, a wonton is a filled dumpling made
from a flat sheet of wheaten noodle wrapped around some stuffing (a common
version is a minced mix of pork, shrimp, and water chestnuts), sealed with
water
(and maybe a little egg white) then either boiled, steamed, or deep-fried.
The fried or steamed ones are served as appetizers or used as garnish. The
boiled ones are used in soup.

Sort of like an eggroll, only smaller, the sheets are about a quarter the
size
of an eggroll wrapper, if you've ever seen those. Or maybe they too are a
feature of chinese restaurants in the USA.

Related to the class of filled buns, dumplings, whatever, that the Chinese
call Dim Sum. There is a similar thing in Japanese, Shumai, I think. Also
pops up in Korean and Thai cuisine.

>  Christoper
>  Holt also suggested "wantons" and also "tortillas", which I believe is
kind
>  of Mexican pancake. Are wanton sheets and tortillas both pancakes and if so
>  do they need to be included separately?

I'm sure that's a misspelling of wonton (see previous discussion above).

Not exactly. The wonton sheet is a large flat wheat noodle. The tortilla is
a somewhat thin cornmeal or wheat "pancake", or maybe "flatbread", made
without leavening, unlike the usual pancake (here in the USA, anyway).
I think, tortillas are thinner than crepes, which are thinner than pancakes.

>  Very appropriately for an origami list, Julius Kusserow suggested adding
the
>  blintz, which gave its name to one of the accepted basic folds. But a
blintz
>  is surely a kind of pancake with a filling, whether it is folded with
> corners
>  to the centre like an origami blintz fold or by rolling it lengthways and
>  then folding the ends underneath. Which way does Julius fold his blintzes?
(
> I
>  am interested in this because it has a bearing on the origin of the term
>  "blintz fold".) Julius also suggested thin vegetables used to decorate
food,
>  including radishes in Japan. What vegetables are these and are they really
>  folded? I am aware of decoratively sliced fruits and vegetables such as
>  peaches and radishes used in "nouvelle cuisine", but slicing is not
folding.

Gee. Now that I think of it, japanese restaurants garnish food with very thin
sliced radishes or pickled ginger, in flexible sheets, but the folding I
remember
is incidental, just doubled over maybe twice, to take up less space, and also
because that's the way they end up when you're trying to fish the slices out
of
a jar with chopsticks.

>  Bimal Ramesh Desai  (who also mentioned mesh squares) folded cranes from
> filo
>  dough. I originally considered filo dough (known as filo pastry in England)
>  to come into the category of pastry generally, but perhaps it is somewhat
>  different, being made up of several very thin layers, so I propose to list
> it
>  separately.

Pastry, from the little I know about cooking, comes in two kinds.

There's the flakey kind, used for piecrusts and such. made by either
rolling out flour dough then folding it over some shortening and rolling
the doubled sheet out thin, and repeating until you have many thin
layers separated by layers of shortening,  or by "cutting in" the
shortening into the flour (usually with dull-bladed knives, like the
things we call butterknives here in the USA) so as to end up with
little pieces of flour separated by the shortening, which is then
rolled out, so that the pieces flatten into flakes.

Then there's the cakey kind, where you mix the ingredients into a
mass of dough and continue from there.

Hmm... somwhere up above, I lost where you were asking about
the confections sold as kiddie snacks in the USA under the name
"fruit leathers". I hadn't realized they might be mainly marketed in
the USA. Imagine taking a very thick jam or jelly made with
pureed fruit (with maybe sweeteners added for flavor, and starch
or gelatin added for strength in the finished product, don't know
whether coloring is added, probably is), pouring it out in a pan, in a
very thin layer, maybe an eighth to a sixteenth of an inch thick, then
dried until it can be pulled away as a slightly rubbery chewy sheet.
You don't want it too dry, it shouldn't be stiff or crunchy. And you
don't want it too moist, it won't keep well. About the moisture level
of a good prune, raisin or dried apricot. Ahh ... perhaps the
consistency of a "gummy bear", the things that "Dr. Who" of  the
famous BBC science fiction TV series is so fond of. (Does that
reference help any?) I haven't seen anyone craft with it, but it does
come in a variety of flavors and colors, and the manufacturers have
recently started selling it like adhesive stickers, with little figures
cookie-cutterer in place on the sheets, ready to pop out, play with,
and eat.

(I don't know about your end of the puddle, but over here, for years,
parents and children have been told that parents constantly nag
their children "Don't play with your food.", and, true or not, the
marketers seem to be convinced that children like to play with their
food, and keep trying to find newer and better ways to make food
fun and toylike.

Fruit leather is a relatively recent trendy thing, along with fancy coffee.
Several years ago someone attempted to market a fad of flavored
and colored popcorn. And earlier there was the Thai restaurant fad,
and the sushi fad, and the Benihana restaurants with the juggling
Japanese chefs cooking at the table. And over the last 20 years,
the "exotic" fruits and vegetables being introduced into the grocery
business.)

That's probably more than you wanted to hear, but, hopefully your
answer is in there somewhere.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Feb 2000 06:09
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

Aloha David Lister and all,
This is Kenneth Kawamura, again.

I apologize. I had meant to send the previous reply only to Mr. Lister,
but I clean forgot to paste his address in the "Send To:" box, so the
reply went to the list, and I couldn't unsend it. My fault. Having already
sent the first part, I'm sending this second part, for the sake of
completeness (or maybe what the pop psychologists here call "closure").

In a message dated 2/10/2000 1:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
DLister891@AOL.COM writes:

> 1.  What is Fruit Bark?

I think it's actually called Fruit Leather. It's a dried sheet of pureed
fruit,
about the cosistency of "gummy bears" if you know what those are.

>  2.  What is the structure of the squares of netting which can be bought for
>  origami?

Sorry, don't know.

>  3.  What is a "wanton" sheet?

I'm pretty sure that's "wonton" sheet, also called a "wonton wrapper".
It's a rectangular, almost square, sheet of wheat noodle, relatively fresh
so it is still flexible, not dried stiff, about the same as an eggroll
wrapper,
but maybe a quarter of the size.

>  4.  What are totillas made of?

Tortillas are made of either corn or wheat flour, mixed with a little water
to form a stiff paste, rolled and/or patted out thin, and baked to make an
unleavened flatbread.

>  4.  Is the kitchen-wrap known in the UK as "Cling film" known by that name
> or
>  some other in North America?

More commonly referred to as "Saran Wrap", I think, tho that may be a
protected brand name.

>  5.  What is the name of the stiffish white translucent plastic sheeting
used
>  for lampshades?

Not sure. Celluloid's too flammable, polyethylene melts too easy, mylar's
expensive, vinyl (polyvinyl chloride) is usually too floppy, maybe
polystyrene?
Nah, too brittle, I think. Acetate?

Here in the USA, a lot of plumbing nowadays uses PBS (polybutylstyrene I
think that is) pipes, maybe that's what it is?

>  6.  What is the name of the modern version of celluloid?

With the exception of cellophane, I think, real celluloid hasn't been much
used for many years now, because of fire safety problems.

I'm not sure what plastic film base is currently used for photographic film.
Maybe mylar. Maybe something newer and more specific. I know the
film base used for audiotapes and videotapes seems to have been
undergoing continual innovation and refinement since they were invented.

(See also, the similar change in the material phonograph records were made
from, from beeswax and carnauba wax, to bakelite type plastics, to vinyl
(polyvinylchloride), to I don't know what they're using now.)

The "cling film" is some other plastic. Here in the USA, it was (is?)
marketed as Saran Wrap. (I've wondered if the chemical precursor
is some relation to the German poison gas of the same or similar name.)

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 09:37
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

David Lister asked, and Kenneth Kawamura replied:

>>  2.  What is the structure of the squares of netting which can be bought
for
>>  origami?
>
>Sorry, don't know.

    The mesh feels like it is made of a soft plastic, polyethylene perhaps,
folds like a heavily starched fabric, and the mesh itself is somewhat finer
than that used for window screening, about 1mm square.

    Also, wonton sheets are about 3.5 inches (80mm) square, and tortillas
are round, and vary in size from about 5 to 10 inches, the larger ones more
useful for burritos and enchiladas (both of which are formed in the same way
as blintzes), and the smaller for tacos.

Scott ('Holy guacamole, Batman!') scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 09:39
Subject: Re: Optiscope (was Can anyone help?)

Anita wrote:

>While you're there, check out the diagrams for Deg's Optiscope.
>http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope.jpg

    This link gets me the first page, but I can't find the rest...

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 09:53
Subject: Re: Optiscope (was Can anyone help?)

> >http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope.jpg
>
>     This link gets me the first page, but I can't find the rest...

scope2.jpg, scope3.jpg, etc. Found through trial and error. Maybe 5 pages,
just keeping changing the number till you get an error. ;-)

-D'gou





From: Manuel Nuno Alcada <nunoalca@MED.UP.PT>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 09:53
Subject: Re: Optiscope (was Can anyone help?)

>Anita wrote:
>
>>While you're there, check out the diagrams for Deg's Optiscope.
>>http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope.jpg
>
>    This link gets me the first page, but I can't find the rest...
>
>Scott scram@landmarknet.net
>

Just put

http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/6075/scope5.jpg

Best wishes
Manuel Nuno





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 10:11
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

This reminds me of a comment from Billy Connelly (a Scottish ex-welder, now
comedian), who said that
Mexican food is all the same, and the dishes are distinguishable only by the
way they are folded.

.....

Customer: "Excuse me. I ordered an enchilada, but this is a burrito."

Waiter:       "Sorry sir, ....<unfold> .... <refold> .... There we are sir."

Customer:  "Great, thanks."

.....

Mark

>     ......... and tortillas
> are round, and vary in size from about 5 to 10 inches, the larger ones
more
> useful for burritos and enchiladas (both of which are formed in the same
way
> as blintzes), and the smaller for tacos.
>
> Scott ('Holy guacamole, Batman!') scram@landmarknet.net





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 11:45
Subject: Re: Coatings

Actually -- I just bought some puzzle glue (after you put together a
jigsaw puzzle, you can glue it together/coat it with this stuff). I've
only tried it on one thing, folded out of kami. Since it is waterbased
it tended to relax some of the folds, but I just kept pushing them back
into place as it dried. It is a semi-gloss finish and rather soft (it
said on the bottle for a stiffer finish to brush it on twice). I dipped
my small model rather than brushing it on. I plan on trying it on foil
this weekend.

The nice thing is this stuff isn't stinky, it is soap and water cleanup
and sort of keeps the idea of the paper being folded.

Modge-Podge, which was something we used for decoupage, according to a
friend of mine doesn't work well. I have never tried it.

Dee

> Has anyone tried decoupage techniques? Decoupage was popular quite a few
> years ago; you'd paste a picture to an attractive wooden plaque, coat it
> several times with what amounted to a watered-down glue, & then seal it
> with a single layer of something that probably was best used outdoors.
> Would this work? I imagine you could still find decoupage supplies in craft
> stores.
> --Elise
>
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
> (Jim Elliot)





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 12:02
Subject: Re: Coatings

Mod-podge is the name of one decoupage "glue". There are others. Something
like Aileene's tacky glue (or any polyvinyl glue) woud work if thinned
sufficiently. These glues are water-based, so I'm not certain how well they
hold up to high moisture environments. However, they are very nearly clear
and are easy to use, non-toxic, and will not cause the famous
"stained-glass" effect on non-foil papers. They might however cause colors
to bleed on unfast papers, especially some tissue paper. Also, beware of
tearing thin papers when brushing anything on them.

I'd also try something like future floor wax. It is used on polymer clay as
a topcoat quite successfully. It might work on paper, too. I might just
experiment a little and report back.

Does anybody use the polyurethane or varathane sealers available from paint
stores?

Gillian

>From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Coatings
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:34:14 -0700
>
>Has anyone tried decoupage techniques? Decoupage was popular quite a few
>years ago; you'd paste a picture to an attractive wooden plaque, coat it
>several times with what amounted to a watered-down glue, & then seal it
>with a single layer of something that probably was best used outdoors.
>Would this work? I imagine you could still find decoupage supplies in craft
>stores.
>--Elise
>
>
>"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
>(Jim Elliot)

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From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 12:06
Subject: Jay Ansill  "Mythical Beings" available from amazon.

A looonng time ago I was looking for this book and had amazon trying to find
it for me. They have a copy but I no longer need it, thought one of you
might like it. I haven't gone to amazon to try and locate it but I'd expect
a look under out of print books should do the trick (or maybe just search on
Jay Ansil???). Good luck finding it :-).

Jeff Kerwood

------

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>                   (Origami Today)"
>
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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 12:16
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

David,
Some help, I think on your definitions:
Fruit bark - a thin layer of fruit paste rolled out onto a plastic film and
sold as a fruity snack to children. Frequently it is only about 20-30% fruit
and the rest gelatin and fillers. It is sticky and sweet, making it
difficult to fold more than simple or pureland folds.

wanton sheets - I think they meant won-ton skins. The small rice-flour (I
think) paste sheets that are folded around meat or sweet fillings and
deep-fried or steamed to make won-ton soup or dim-sum.

totilla - (tortillas) are made of flour, lard and water if they are flour
tortillas, cornmeal, flour, water and lime if they are corn tortillas. They
are gently pan-fried or grilled to make them warm and nearly crisp. Corn
tortillas are stiffer and more likely to be deep-fried (corn-chips). Both
are usually round.

cling-film - may be what is called Saran Wrap, Reynolds Wrap (brand names),
or just plastic wrap here in Texas.

Can't really help with the others!

Gillian
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From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 12:28
Subject: Plastics

Another readily available plastic is polycarbonate, or
Lexan. It is available thin enough to fold- 4 mil or so.
Polycarbonate is the same stuff they make bulletproof
"glass" out of- it has an extremely high ductility-
repeated folds will not fatigue the material as is the case
with most plastics- styrene, PVC, etc.

----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 12:43
Subject: NO: Chinese dumplings (was Re: Fold Your Arms...Part One)

At 05:32 00/02/11 -0500, Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:
>Common in chinese restaurants in the USA, a wonton is a filled dumpling made
>from a flat sheet of wheaten noodle wrapped around some stuffing (a common
>version is a minced mix of pork, shrimp, and water chestnuts), sealed with
>water (and maybe a little egg white) then either boiled, steamed, or
     deep-fried.
>The fried or steamed ones are served as appetizers or used as garnish. The
>boiled ones are used in soup.
>
>Sort of like an eggroll, only smaller, the sheets are about a quarter the
>size of an eggroll wrapper, if you've ever seen those. Or maybe they too are a
>feature of chinese restaurants in the USA.
>
>Related to the class of filled buns, dumplings, whatever, that the Chinese
>call Dim Sum. There is a similar thing in Japanese, Shumai, I think. Also
>pops up in Korean and Thai cuisine.

I thought I'd chime in on this one since I often brag about Vancouver having
the best Chinese food outside of Asia...

Kenny's got it mostly right, but there are a few clarifications in order.

Wonton wrappers are basically sheets wheat flour noodle dried to the point
where they are still pliable and floured so that they are not sticky. They
are usually cut into 3 to 4 inch squares. Restaurants in the USA seem to
like adding water chestnuts, but the usual recipe calls for minced pork and
shrimp with some herbs (especially green onion and ginger).

Wontons are usually made free-form, with a blob of the meat mixture placed
on the centre of the sheet, and then the loose ends are gathered together,
sealed with a little beaten egg, and then twisted together. Some people go
to greater lengths to shape them more beautifully, but this is not usually
done. This is because wonton is usually considered "fast food" in Chinese
cuisine, so elaborate shaping or folding is not an option. Wonton is
normally served boiled in broth, or boiled and served on top of noodles (in
broth).

Egg rolls are a totally different beast. "Egg roll" is actually a
mis-translation, the correct name being "spring roll". "Real" egg rolls are
a form of crispy pastry served as dessert. Spring rolls are as Kenny
described, but are usually filled with pork, mushrooms, carrots, sprouts,
shrimp, and possibly other ingredients, all cut into thin strips
(julienned). The wrapper is then folded carefully into the roll shape, much
like a burrito is folded, and the roll is then deep fried. Vegetarian spring
rolls also exist.

Kenny goes on to describe dim sum. These are an assortment of small dishes
served for lunch, brunch, or breakfast at Chinese restaurants. Servers push
around carts of dishes and the diners can choose what they like. These are
not all buns and dumplings, however, but a variety of different dishes. The
closest comparison I can make are with Spanish tapas. The dumplings served
as dim sum are of all shapes and flavours, often elaborately shaped and
folded. Specific fillings are enclosed in specific shaped "skins" for easy
identification. Many dim sum dumplings are wrapped with rice flour skins
rather than wheat flour ones. "Shumai" is simply the Japanese pronunciation
of a Chinese pork dumpling, "siu mai". These ones are wrapped only on the
bottom and sides, with the meat exposed to view on top. Variations on siu
mai involve adding some other ingredient on top of the exposed pork.

Finally (good thing, too...I'm getting hungry!), deep fried wontons are
considered to be dim sum and are seldom served in other contexts. They are
wrapped in much larger wrappers so that there is much more crunch material
to enjoy. Usually, they are served with a bright red sweet dipping sauce
(that looks much like cough syrup).

I hope this helps!
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From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 16:32
Subject: Re: coatings: Varathane Elite

I use Varathane Elite, a hi-tech polyurethane varient available at Home
Depot.  I usually use the spray, but it is also available in liquid form.
Its fairly expensive (about $7 for a spray can).  It does not dry rock hard,
but it does a good job of protecting models from normal wear and tear.  It's
fumes aren't bad (water based),  and it modifies the appearance of the paper
less than anything else I've tried.

Neil





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 17:49
Subject: New BOS website & CD rom

Just a reminder to anyone who has a link to the "old" BOS site at
rpmrecords, the link has now changed = please reroute it to;

www.britishorigami.org.uk

Specific mail for the BOS should be sent to

admin@britishorigami.org.uk

Thanks!

Whilst I'm here, can I remind you of the ongoing CDrom project the BOS
is working on? Send all/any diagrams (you must have artist/creators
permission) to David Petty (ukpetd@aol.com) ideally in gif or pdf
format. If the image is large, please consider sending by post - mail
him for his address. If you send 5 or more, you get a free copy.

Once we get a few 1000 diagrams, it will go to press....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email          nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage                www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk

Pre-1960's Ladybird books always wanted!





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 19:17
Subject: Re: Fold Your Arms: Materials for Folding Reviewed. Part Two.

>This reminds me of a comment from Billy Connelly (a Scottish ex-welder, now
>comedian), who said that
>Mexican food is all the same, and the dishes are distinguishable only by the
>way they are folded.

Come to southern California & have a meal at Rubio's Baja Grill. Shark
burrito, shrimp enchilada, the "famous" fish taco.... At fast-food prices,
too!
--Elise

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
(Jim Elliot)





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 20:20
Subject: Origami sighting

There is an advertisement of "Karean Air" on a Chinese Newspaper I read and
there are a few cranes hanging at a window
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From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: 11 Feb 2000 22:03
Subject: Origami question on game show "Greed"

Thought you all might enjoy this origami sighting...

A question about origami appeared on the game show "Greed" a short while
ago. The question went something like this:

What material are you shaping when you're practicing origami?

I think the answer choices included glass and clay, as well as paper. The
woman who answered correctly said that origami was her hobby when she was
13. The host said afterwards that he had never heard of it. He asked,
"What does that make you? An origami-ist?" She replied that she thought
it might be "origamist", but that she had no idea what they call it.

So who is "they"?

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 04:18
Subject: Re: Crane Flower Author??

> I just finished a wonderful Crane Flower. I would appreciate it very
> much if someone could help me with the creators name. Below is a
> description...

Sorry for such a late reply.
His name is Hosomizu Masashi.
(The last name comes first in Japanese name, as me)

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 05:07
Subject: News of the First Swiss Origami Convention

Hello everyone!

Last weekend (4-5-6 Feb. 2000) I attended the First Swiss Origami Convention
in Berne. It was my first convention, and I just loved it, so should like to
tell you about it.
The convention was organised by Evelyne Cavalire of Geneva (not on the
O-List (yet?) but see: http://perso.cortex.ch/origami/, that is, if you can
read French...), who has been folding for 18 years and running the origami
group in Geneva for nearly as long.

This meeting gave paperfolders from all over Switzerland an opportunity to
get together and get to know each other. Until then, each group seems to
have lived and folded in its own little place without wondering whether
there was anyone else out there, but it turned out that there are three
groups going at the moment: besides the one in Geneva, there is Matthias'
Gutfeldt's group in Berne and another one in Basle, and a whole lot of
individual folders scattered over the rest of Switzerland. It was great to
meet other folders, to get to know them, admire their work and learn from
each other.

Folders present from other countries included Dave Brill, Vicente Palacios,
Edwin Corrie, Vincent Floderer and another talented French creator, Romain
Chevrier. There were also Eduard Meier (I hope I'm spelling his name
right!), president of Origami Deutschland, Paulo Mulatinho & Silke Schrder,
and a few more. We also had a guest from Russia, Tatiana Khliamova. All in
all, we were about 50 people.

There were workshops with David Brill, Edwin Corrie and Vincent Floderer.
Evelyne also convinced Romain at the last minute to teach his wonderful
tortoise model. And Mr. Palacios was always around with a small group of
people, handing out paper and teaching all kinds of fun folds - "concerts"
of his origami whistle were heard time and again!

I joined Vincent Floderer's mushroom workshop on the first day, and like
everyone else, got seriously addicted, so we went on to do sea urchins and
trees on the next day... Even when I moved on to Romain's tortoise, some
people in that workshop who folded faster than others would pull out their
crumpled tissue sheets and go on kneading them while they waited for the
slower folders to catch up with them. What Romain thought of this, I
wonder... I also picked up a few models from Mr. Palacios in-between
"official times" and found him a most entertaining gentleman.

Besides this, we had a "Paper-fashion show" on Saturday night. Each costume
was unique and original, and the jury had a hard time deciding which was
best. Patrick Christen, webmaster of the Geneva origami homepage, got first
prize with his Scotsman outfit of woven strips of paper (kilt, scarf and
bonnet), and the second prize was shared by four people: a girl with a
lovely blue and white kimono, a lady with an elegant tunic of artistically
woven red strips of paper, and two men who dressed as dancers and shed their
dresses to reveal swimming trunks decorated with various origami models and
origami hearts stuck on theirs breasts.

There was also a sale exhibition with models which ranged from impressive
works of art to neat cards and tissue paper stars. I think the
books-and-paper stands (representing La Boutique Japonaise in Geneva and
Viereck Verlag from Germany) did a good business. At least, my rucksack was
pretty heavy with books by the time I headed home...

Personally, I think I got a bit dizzier from some of the encouragements I
got for my models than from the Saturday evening champagne... ;-)... and I
am really grateful to everyone who contributed to the success of the
convention. I'll be practising what I've learnt in the workshops, trying out
the models in my new books, and seriously working on my diagramming for the
months to come.

I spoke with Evelyne before I left. She was the only one who hadn't got
around to folding anything during the convention, but everyone was
delighted, so she felt it had been worth her while to do it. I think we all
went home feeling we'd discovered a whole new dimension, stimulated to keep
on folding and stay in touch with each other, and we hope to hold our next
convention in about two years' time.

Best regards,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 12 Feb 2000 06:24
Subject: Origami in Fine Art.

Yesterday I received a private e-mail asking if I knew of any early paintings
which incorporated paperfolding.

I thought that my reply might be of interest to subscribers to Origami-L, so
here it is.

              ORIGAMI IN fINE ART.

I am asked if I know of any early paintings which incorporate folded paper
figures as part of the background or foreground detail. My enquirer has a
vague recollection of having seen a European painting which incorporates a
small "pajarita". He studied art history many years ago, but has been unable
to locate a reference to such a picture.

One picture which depicts a pajarita is "The Merrymakers" by Carolus Duran of
Paris, dated 1870, which is in the collection of the Detroit Institute of
Arts.

This picture shows a group of three women sitting found a table entertaining
a child of about 18 months who sits on the lap of one of the women. On the
table are an apparently live bird with a long tail and also a traditional
paper pajarita which the woman sitting opposite the child is holding.

This picture is reproduced on the front page of the Newsletter of The Friends
of the Origami Center of North America for the Fall of 1989. It will probably
be known that the Friends of the Origami Center are now known as Origami USA
and the name of the Newsletter has been changed to "The Paper". I do not know
whether copies of this issue are still available.

There are also two paintings of the Spanish poet and philosopher Miguel de
Unamuno, who died in 1936 at the beginning of the Spanish Civil War. Both are
by Ignacio Zuloaga y Zamora and depict Unamuno's angular paperfolds of birds.
They were created by Unamuno in the early years of the 20th Century, and
anticipated by some twenty or thirty years some of the techniques of the
later Japanese folder, Akira Yoshizawa, who is credited with revolutionising
the art of paperfolding.

I do not know the actual sizes of the two paintings. Painting A is reproduced
in black and white in "The Art of Origami" by Samuel Randlett (1961) and it
shows Unamuno with two of his paper birds. I do not know where the original
painting is kept. Randlett does not give his source or any acknowledgement. I
also, separately, have a photograph of painting A in colour, which shows it
to be in horizontal format.

I recently received copies of reproductions of both paintings from David
Brill, to whom they had been given by Juan Gimeno of Spain a few years ago.
The reproduction of painting A is, again, in black and white, but that of
painting B is in colour and shows it to be in vertical format. It includes
only one single paper bird. The two paintings both seem to be "finished"
works and while the compositions of the two paintings, with Unamuno sitting
at his desk are broadly similar, neither seems to be a sketch for the other.
There is no further information about where the original paintings are kept.

Many years ago someone asked me about a painting in the Louvre, in Paris,
which she understood depicted a paperfold. At one time I made a fairly
detailed study of the paintings in the Louvre, but I do not remember ever
coming across such a picture. It may have been that the enquirer was
confusing it with the painting at Detroit which was by Carolus Duran who
resided in Paris.

Origami is quite frequently depicted in Japanese prints, often of exquisite
quality, of the 18th and 19th centuries. So far as I know, there is no book
of reproductions of them in English, but there is a large A4 sized booklet in
Japanese which depicts a fair collection of them.  This is by Satoshi Takagi
and the translation of the tittle is sometimes given as "Origami from the
Classics". The booklet was published in 1993 by the Nippon Origami
Association and is probably still obtainable from them.

In October, 1999 there was an exhibition on the history of origami held in
Tatsuno, Japan. The Japanese historian of origami, Masao Okamura wrote the
text for a really splendid catalogue of the exhibition. Although I cannot
read the text (how I wish I could!), I can appreciate the magnificent
illustrations which are mostly in full colour. This book, too, gives a good
selection of Japanese prints depicting origami, along with much other
iterating matter.
If anyone know of any other illustrations of origami in works of fine art, I
shall be very grateful for the information.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.
DLister891@AOL.com





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 09:58
Subject: Origami Sighting

The last paragraph of an article entitled "Savoring The Aloha Spirit" in the
New York Times, Sunday Feb. 6, refers to the Arizona Memorial in Pearl
Harbor. The last sentence reads: "Among the floral offerings at the wall of
honor is a rainbow of origami flowers, left by students of a Japanese high
school."

Florence Temko
San Diego.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 12 Feb 2000 10:32
Subject: Re: Origami in Fine Art.

Origami in Fine Art.

In the Forbes Museum on 12th St. in N.Y.C. hangs a b very old painting with
some children playing soldier and one of them is wearing the newspaper hat.
I think I am right about the content of the painting.  I don't know the
painter nor the name of the painting but I know there is a child wearing a
paper hat in it.....If anyone is interested I could call there and find out
the details.   Dorigami





From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Friederike=20Noether?= <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 11:41
Subject: Origami Sighting

Somt time ago someone on this list asked for napkinfolds. Going through some
     magazines from last
year I saw a small article about paper napkins with already printed on folding
     pattern. Variety of
a few models. They are sold by a shop/company in London. No searching for
     diagrams anymore, they
are right on it. I like the idea.
Friederike

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From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 12:37
Subject: Chinese Origami diagrams

Hello,

I've just discovered the Chinese (HK) Origami Society homepage and really
liked the models I saw there. In particular, I'd like to know whether there
is any possibility of obtaining the diagrams for the Chinese teapot and
teacups I saw in the section Diagrams 1998? There was no .pdf logo in the
corresponding box, and all I see instead of (presumably) the Chinese script
are little squares, so I don't know what the text says...

Thanks in advance for any info!

All the best,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 13:13
Subject: Re: Origami in Fine Art.

Many years ago, when the Picasso exhibit was at The Metropolitan Museum of Art
in New York City, I saw a painting of what was definitely an origami crane. I
don't remember whether it was from his "blue" or "cubist" period.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Anool <anool@BOM3.VSNL.NET.IN>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 14:00
Subject: Miniature Origami

Hi All,

Here are pictures of the smallest Crane and Flapping Bird I've attempted.
The crane is from a 15mm square and the flapping bird from 10 mm square. I
folded them without any aids like magnifiers or high intensity lights. The
flapping bird isn't too neat and I haven't tried flapping it, but I hope to
improve soon. :-)

You can find high resolution images of these miniatures at
http://geocities.com/Eureka/1699/origami.htm
where I hope to add more pictures soon. Comments and suggestions welcome.
While there, some of you may like to take a look at images of the Last Solar
Eclipse of the Millenium that I clicked last year.

Have others attempted smaller origami folds. If so, I'd love to hear more
and be inspired by their work.

Regards,

Anool : anool@lumetron.com





From: Erica Knopper <eak@IENG.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 15:45
Subject: Re: Coatings

>I'd also try something like future floor wax. It is used on polymer clay as
>a topcoat quite successfully. It might work on paper, too. I might just
>experiment a little and report back.

What is future floor wax? Sounds good.

-Erica





From: THOKI YENN <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:07
Subject: Sv:      Origami in Fine Art.

Dear David Lister

There is a Kalmon holding a flapping bird
on http://www.thok.dk
Drawn by the Danish artist Thoki Yenn
in 1986, scanned in 1997,
background made transparent
and provided with colours by
Nick Robinson of England in 1998.

Greetings from

The Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:32
Subject: Re: Chinese Origami diagrams

What is the URL?

> I've just discovered the Chinese (HK) Origami Society homepage and really
     liked the models I saw there.





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:34
Subject: Re: Miniature Origami

Most impressive!

I folded Montroll's "Zebra" (From African Animals in Origami) last night
from a 3 in Japanese foil square. Since I don't have anything like
tweezers, I had to use my fingernails and a toothpick. I didn't do too
badly until I got to the head. I don't know which was more stressed at
that point, me or the paper ... it wound up a little mangled. Oh well,
I'll try again.

Dee

> Here are pictures of the smallest Crane and Flapping Bird I've attempted.
> The crane is from a 15mm square and the flapping bird from 10 mm square.





From: Lucille Jacobson <lucijay@HOME.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:36
Subject: Re: Coatings & Miniature Origami

Hi, Everyone:

I'm new to the neighbourhood.  Following with interest the comments on
coatings.  I am promoting the wearing of a small white crane lapel pin
as a symbol of peace.  I have used white glue but - as others have found
- since it is water-based, it tends to relax the folds.  Its big
advantage though is that it is readily available.

Thanks to Anool I have just folded my first "miniature" crane!  HA! it's
more than twice the size - from a 37mm square.  Well, guess I just need
time to work DOWN to a real miniature.  I have been wanting to try going
smaller since reading about Yoshizawa's miniatures in Peter Engel's
"Angelfish to Zen" origami book.

from lucijay in Beautiful British Columbia

http://members.home.net/lucijay/





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:44
Subject: Re: News of the First Swiss Origami Convention

Julia --

Why don't you submit this to the OUSA Paper? (I can do it for you if you
like. I know the editor is always looking for interesting articles.

Dee

> Last weekend (4-5-6 Feb. 2000) I attended the First Swiss Origami Convention
> in Berne. It was my first convention, and I just loved it, so should like to
> tell you about it.





From: Lucille Jacobson <lucijay@HOME.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 16:47
Subject: Miniature Update!

Hi again!

Okay, just did another crane with 30mm square.  Think I'm in a holding
pattern here!  Man, that was tough enough, had to use a dull scalpel
blade to assist in the folds/points.

To:  Thorki Yenn ~ Great Art! Love it!

Greetings from lucijay in Beautiful British Columbia!

http://members.home.net/lucijay/





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 17:06
Subject: Re: Miniature Update!

>> Okay, just did another crane with 30mm square.

Well, you've got me at it now. I've managed to fold one from a square 25mm,
if you precrease everything first you can manage it with your fingers.

Dave





From: "Melissa D. Johnson" <johnsonm@ACU.EDU>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 17:26
Subject: Re: Miniature Update!

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Dave Stephenson wrote:

> >> Okay, just did another crane with 30mm square.
>
> Well, you've got me at it now. I've managed to fold one from a square 25mm,
> if you precrease everything first you can manage it with your fingers.

This is a fun aside from doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I just tried
one from a 15mm square with my fingers. It looks like a flapping crane,
and *one* of the wings flaps. Does that count?

Melissa Dawn :)
http://MelissaDawn.Johnson.org/

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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 17:48
Subject: Re: Coatings

Future is the brand name for a polyvinyl floor polish. It is a clear liquid
with a slightly fruity smell, used on no-wax floors to maintain the shine
and protect it (slightly). It is removeable with vinegar, as I recall. I
don't know what other brand names there are for it.

I use it on polymer clay (brands: sculpy, premo, fimo, cernit, formello),
which is a polyvinyl chloride-type clay that can be baked or cured in the
home oven at low (275 F) temps.

I suspect Future might work well on paper because it is not water-based, but
will clean up with water (out of a brush, etc), it can be baked at low temp
(as on the clay) to aid in rapid drying, and shouldn't be too stiff or
porcelain-like. Also, it shouldn't turn yellow with time.

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From: Tommy <twstevens@HOME.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 17:56
Subject: Re: Origami in Fine Art.

For those interested in seeing a photo of the Carolus Duran painting you
can find it here:
http://www.diamondial.org/cgi-local/DiaImage.cgi?acc=80.37

I have been searching for online images of paintings by Ignacio Zuloaga.
I have found a few of his works but so far have not found either of the
two which show Miguel de Unamuno and his paperfolds of birds.

Also, I have looked through quite a few Pablo Picasso works online and
so far have not come across any that depict an origami crane. Of course
there are so many that I have barely scratched the surface. Rachel, do
you recall anything else about this particular painting?

Regards,
Tommy





From: Lucille Jacobson <lucijay@HOME.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 18:07
Subject: Miniatures!

Hi, Hi!

I have this mental image of people all over the world sitting folding
itty bitty pieces of paper!

I have gone down to 20mm ......and that's IT until I learn how to
precrease.  Help! Dave?

Yes, Melissa Dawn, it counts in my book.  Shouldn't we all be doing
other things today, but where is the fun in that?

Greetings from lucijay in Beautiful British Columbia!

http://members.home.net/lucijay/





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 18:32
Subject: Re: Miniatures!

>>I have gone down to 20mm ......and that's IT until I learn how to
>>precrease.  Help! Dave?

Unfold one of the larger cranes, then try to replicate the net thats left
behind. The trick is to pay attention to which are valley and which are
mountain folds, if you do this the model more or less collapses into place.

I've matched your 20mm without tools, but I think that if I'm going to try
for smaller I'll have to purchase a pair of tweezers...

Best of luck

Dave





From: Lucille Jacobson <lucijay@HOME.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: Miniatures!

> Unfold one of the larger cranes, then try to
> replicate the net thats left
> behind.

Thanks, Dave.......I think %-}   That's not the easy answer I was
looking for.  I had already unfolded a large crane to check the lines,
but I'll work on it. lucijay





From: Jason Challenger <Aspersions@AOL.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 20:49
Subject: Lang's Samurai Helmet Beetle

My first attempt at this was a dismal success.  I used tape in two places,
where I have to seperate the front and rear sections via an 'elias' maneuver
(steps 76-80).  But my main problem was that no matter what I did, I could
not get the final shaping to look good.  In fact, this model looked so bad to
me, I unfolded it!

I counted, besides the two disatrous sections where I taped, 26 tears over 2
mm in length.  Most were about 4-5 mm and two over 1 cm.  I used standard
35cm origami paper for this.  Any suggestions on how to fold this tear free?
(especially that steps 76-80)  I think I should probably use stronger paper.
If so, specifially what kind?

Thanks for any suggestions on folding a good looking model (like the one in
the picture )

Lang's insect book is really amazing.  What I particularly like is how all
the models are folded from squares.  I also like how the wings/shells of the
beetles I've folded are formed using different methods.  They all don't use
the samurai's technique.  Although i noticed that the method to produce the
samurai's shell also helps form the two points at the top of it at the same
time (and i think the four pointed jaw).  Great book!  Does anyone know when
Origami Insects II will be out?

Jason Challenger
aspersions@aol.com





From: "Dragonia Radar Freedom, C.S." <modonnel@JETSTREAM.NET>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 21:52
Subject: Used books (was Jay Ansill  "Mythical Beings" available from amazon.)

I don't know about anyone else, but I've always had excellent luck using All
Book Exchange for finding out of print books...

http://whipper.abebooks.com/

Note: there's 3 copies of Mythical Beings available through these guys,

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

> A looonng time ago I was looking for this book and had amazon trying to find
> it for me. They have a copy but I no longer need it, thought one of you
> might like it. I haven't gone to amazon to try and locate it but I'd expect
> a look under out of print books should do the trick (or maybe just search on
> Jay Ansil???). Good luck finding it :-).
>
> Jeff Kerwood
>
> ------
>
> > Hello from Amazon.com.  We have new information about your
> > order and need to hear from you before proceeding.
> >
> > We have excellent news from our out-of-print book buyers.  They have
> > been successful in searching for the item you ordered and
> > think you will be interested in what they have found.
> >
> >   Ordered item:   Jay Ansill, Mark Hill (Photographer) "Mythical Beings
> >                   (Origami Today)"
> >
> > Price:  $50.99
> > Shipping & handling charge:  $3.99
> > Total charge for item:  $54.98
> > Binding:  Paperback
> >
> > All books are subject to prior sale.  Since items are not on hold
> > for us, we cannot absolutely guarantee that a match we've found
> > will still be available when we contact our supplier to purchase the
> > book.  We will notify you immediately if that is the case.





From: Betty Hull <hull@WWICS.COM>
Date: 12 Feb 2000 21:52
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting - napkin folds

I'm going to London in April. Do you have the address
of the shop/company?

Betty Hull

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> From: Friederike Noether <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Origami Sighting
> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:38 AM
>
> Somt time ago someone on this list asked for napkinfolds. Going through
some magazines from last
> year I saw a small article about paper napkins with already printed on
folding pattern. Variety of
> a few models. They are sold by a shop/company in London. No searching for
diagrams anymore, they
> are right on it. I like the idea.
> Friederike
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