




From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 10:41
Subject: Re: New Web Page

Glad to see you didn't take his comments too badly.

Let us know when you have done some improvements.

Its already better than my homepage ever was, I had a picture saying "Allans
page" for about 3 years then I deleted it all.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Pancho [mailto:origami_uruguay@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: 08 February 2000 20:27
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: NO: Re: New Web Page

Hi Mark,

I really appreciate your comments, and I will try to follow them. I am just
trying to share the models that I folded with the list. Looking at pictures
sometimes help you realize some folds that are not clear in the diagrams.

There are a lot of great origami pages around, and I am far away from
looking to get into the the Best Origami Page Contest. However, I do not
want to be the page of the month in http://www.losers.org,  so I will do the
effort

About the info about myself, for me the net and the real world are to
different dimensions that I am not willing to mix. I prefer to remain as a
virtual entity (which can be considered as not reasonably sane).

By now then, just enjoy the pictures until I do the improvements suggested.

Thanks again Mark, I'll try to raise that 1.5   :)
Best Regards,
Pancho.

----- Mensaje original -----
De: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Para: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Enviado: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:27 AM
Asunto: NO: Re: New Web Page

Pancho

As part of my job, I help design web sites, and offer the following -
........
........
What about some info about yourself on the site, so at least people know you
are
reasonably sane, and not a Labrador !

I give this site 1.5 out of 100. For similar efforts, see
http://www.losers.org.

.... well, you did ask ...

Regards

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Pancho <mailto:origami_uruguay@YAHOO.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:37 PM
Subject: New Web Page

> Hi,
>
> I am learning HTML, and I am starting my Web Page.
>
> I do not have much there yet, but I have some good pictures of the Pegasus
> and Maekawa's Devil.
>
> The address is http://neldoreth.8m.com
>
> As I am new in this, I do not know much about copyrights, credits, etc.
> Please advise if you see something wrong from this point of view.
>
> I will add later: links to other pages, links to diagrams, more pictures,
> the list of the books that I have with their contents, etc. The usual
> things. Should I ask the owners of these pages first before putting links
to
> their pages in my pages? Any other advice you could give me about
> copyrights?
>
> Any feedback will be appreciated.
>
> Best Regards,
> Pancho.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 10:44
Subject: Re: NO: Re:      New Web Page

Pancho,

Good.

Glad I have helped point you in the right direction.

Let me know when it is safe to return.

Regards

Mark

BTW, I do NOT Yahoo. I AltaVista !!

----- Original Message -----
From: Pancho <mailto:origami_uruguay@YAHOO.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 8:27 PM
Subject: NO: Re: New Web Page

> Hi Mark,
>
> I really appreciate your comments, and I will try to follow them. I am
just
> trying to share the models that I folded with the list. Looking at
pictures
> sometimes help you realize some folds that are not clear in the diagrams.
>
> There are a lot of great origami pages around, and I am far away from
> looking to get into the the Best Origami Page Contest. However, I do not
> want to be the page of the month in http://www.losers.org,  so I will do
the
> effort
>
> About the info about myself, for me the net and the real world are to
> different dimensions that I am not willing to mix. I prefer to remain as a
> virtual entity (which can be considered as not reasonably sane).
>
> By now then, just enjoy the pictures until I do the improvements
suggested.
>
> Thanks again Mark, I'll try to raise that 1.5   :)
> Best Regards,
> Pancho.





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 10:54
Subject: ELFA- e-mail

Dear folders,
Some time ago I told you about my plans to do
something with Envelope and Letterfolds on e-mail.
(think about this text)
I received 3 reactions, saved the adresses on a very
special place, so special that I cannot find them again.
Now I am prepairing a letterfold that is fantastic
because it gives the possibility to create so much
variations.
Sorry to those 3 folders that you didnot hear from me
earlier.
When I have made the diagrams on the homepage
you hear from me via the origami-list.

http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/23elfa_start.html
xxxxxxelsje





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 11:49
Subject: Re: (NO) New Web Page

Pancho writes:
> I am learning HTML, and I am starting my Web Page.
______________________________
Welcome to the wonderful world of site building.

> I do not have much there yet, but I have some good pictures of the Pegasus
> and Maekawa's Devil.
________________________________
You should fill in the "alt" for your image tags.  Should the link to the
image become broken or the page not load correctly the description will at
least let visitors know what they are missing and let them know if it is a
link to your email, a different page in the site, or what the image is.  I
would also be careful about underlining words that are not links. You can
use a separator bar, italics or a different color to make your page title
stand out from the rest of the page.

I'm going to disagree with the professionals about hit counters and
backgrounds. I missed the image of the dog, but I think backgrounds, if they
don't detract from the content of the page, give a unique feel to a site.
Hit counters may be more valuable to the webmaster than the visitor,
especially if the server being used does not automatically create access
logs for the webmaster as they give an indication of how many times the page
or site is being accessed.

> Should I ask the owners of these pages first before putting links to
> their pages in my pages?

__________________
I don't believe most people would object to your including a link to their
site as long as it is a direct link into their site and not bandwidth
stealing. You are, after all, advertising their site on yours.

Again, welcome, and I look forward to seeing your site develop.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
http://www.kalei.com





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 13:39
Subject: two-part epoxy resin

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:38:52 -0800 Dorothy Engleman
<FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET> wrote:

> Roberto, you wrote:
>
> "The vapors are toxic, but if you work outdoors (better in a windy day)
> that's not a big problem."
>
> The gentle art of origami doesn't usually bring to mind toxic vapors
> pouring into the atmosphere.  I think it would be really neat if
> paperfolders sought out a non-toxic alternative that did not add more
> pollution to our already besieged environment.

Ask and ye shall recieve...

In Theatrical Fabrication, we work with resins all the
time. There is an alternative product, which is far less
toxic and, in my opinion, easier to work with.

It is called the West System, made by Gougeon, inc. It is a
two-part resin, but doesn't stink like most polyester
resins. It is sold in marine supply stores, (for boat hull
repair)- you buy the resin and a catalyst. Another nice
thing about this particular product is each component comes
with a pump that is pre-metered to give you just the right
proportion of components in the mix, so you can mix as much
or as little as you want, no measuring containers needed.

There is a slight amber cast to the hardened resin, but if
you brush it on thin, the effect should be unnoticeable.
The same thing applies to this as with the other resin- it
will soak into paper and give it a translucent quality,
unless you use foil or some less-permeable folding medium.

One word of caution with this as well as any two-part
resin: The hardening of the mix is an exothermic reaction-
it gives off heat. For this reason, you shouldn't mix it in
glass, or mix too much of it at once.

----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 14:12
Subject: Fw: two-part epoxy resin

Kevin Hines wrote:

>There is an alternative product, which is far less
>toxic and, in my opinion, easier to work with.
>It is called the West System, made by Gougeon, inc.

    Easier to work with, maybe, but less toxic? It is an epoxy resin and
while the out-gassing is not as nasty as with polyester resins, it can be
pretty nasty just the same. I once built a boat and used a couple of quarts
of this stuff. All the boatbuilding literature warns that susceptible people
can develop a sensitivity to epoxies. I used a VOC mask with it and tried to
keep it off of my skin, and had no trouble, but those warnings aren't for
nothing!

Read Gougeon Bros. own warnings at:
http://www.concentric.net/~westsys/safety/safety.shtml

I have to agree with Dorothy, origami should be a bit more benign!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Peg Barber <m.m.barber@ATT.NET>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 15:45
Subject: Re: Materials for Folding.

Has anyone mentioned filo sheets (usually used in making
baklavah?

Peg Barber
m.m.barber@att.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Wu" <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
> > >           Sheet Metal
> >
> > To go along with this one, we also need to include metal mesh, and then on
> > to rayon mesh.
> >
> tortillas, wantons, rice paper... All the best - c!!!





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 16:54
Subject: Re: Origami and Spirituality, Part Two

I have heard privately that my earlier posting may not have been clear
(did I mean that Tomoko Fuse achieved a meditative state, or simply
that her brain shut off?). Here is an attempt to elaborate:

Although I really can't speak for Ms. Fuse, my understanding at the time
was that she was describing a meditative or trance-like state. I intended
my posting as anecdotal confirmation of your observation. . . .

I can't claim to be an expert, either, but in my own experience I have had
something similar happen, especially folding relatively simple modules. I
think the fact that you have to stay at least slightly focussed (if you don't,
your modules end up all messed up), combined with the fact that you don't
have to be _very_ focussed (once you've got the routine down, you don't have
to think too hard about what comes next), creates conditions that free the
mind from its ordinary patterns. (I think I've read, too, that some meditative
practices emphasize the constant repetition of some simple task -- beating
a drum, for example -- and perhaps this is also part of the reason others
use a "mantra"?).

Anyway, sometimes I've found myself solving problems that have nothing
to do with origami, while other times I'll just feel very relaxed when I'm done.
Not exactly Nirvana, but enough so that I can honestly tell people that I
don't find it "boring" at all (the normal assumption that non-folders of
     modulars
seem to have).

Mike "It's those hundred-step super complex models that I find boring!" Naughton





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 17:19
Subject: Re: Assembling Modular Origami (Continuum)

Ross Cooper wrote:

> this 'Continuum Series'...is it a book? do i have to pay?
> It sounds very intriguing...

Good questions! Actually, it's a couple of sheets of paper
showing crease patterns (all the models are made of six
identical modules, following the "flap into pocket" method
of assembling the "XYZ", "Six Piece Ornament", etc. Also,
(if I can find it), I'll include some semi-serious philosophical
ruminations about the life-lessons that may be learned from
observing some of the patterns. . . .

They'll all easily fit in a business-size (#10) envelope,
so when you send me an SASE you've covered my (monetary) costs.

But . . . . there is a "price". You must promise to freely share
the ideas described with anyone else interested, in the spirit
of origami sharing. And of course, give credit where credit is due.

Mike "I really believe some things are worth more than money" Naughton





From: Neil Eisman <neisman@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 18:33
Subject: Re: super millenial dragon challenge

Sound great but the deadline for the Dragon Challenge was Feb 1.
If you diagram this model I would love to fold it.

Neil.

> From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
> Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:56:06 -0500
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: super millenial dragon challenge
>
> hi - i'm not sure if i have missed the deadline for the origami-usa
> millenial dragon challenge thingy, as i believe the chinese new year
> has arrived.  this would be unfortunate, as i have just created a
> super millenial dragon, and would like to enter it.  in any case, i am
> really impressed with myself - my creation list is limited to some
> flowers, cubes, boxes, and an angel, etc - simpler things.  now i have
> made a dragon with a long tail and body, four legs, which can be modified
> to have toes on the feet, three spikes on its back, two horns, two eyes,
> and a tounge sticking out of the mouth.  wow, i must be a super millenial
> genius!  seriously, this is really wonderful; it feels so nice to have
> made an advance.  i'm sure most of you creators can identify, thinking
> of your first big creation.  actually, the spikes on the back were for
> free! - there was just some points hidden along the back that i just
> needed to fold upwards, without having planned their placement!  nice
> little surprise.
>
> anyway, please someone remind me of the deadline for this dragon challenge.
> i'm sure my dragon would leave all of your dragons in the dust because i
> am a superior genius folder.  but when i win the big prize, i promise not
> to let the new-found fame to go to my head.
>
> (for those of you who haven't heard of this challenge, it might be an
> origami-usa members' challenge, although i don't know for sure.)
>
> thank-you!
>
> -dan





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 08 Feb 2000 20:02
Subject: Re: Origami and Spirituality, Part Two

In a message dated 2/8/2000 4:54:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mjnaught@CROCKER.COM writes:

> Not exactly Nirvana

"Nirvana"?

Are you sure you're not thinking of "Satori", the
"enlightenment" experience that is central to Zen
Buddhism?

>From what I have read, and experienced, I think
what you are experiencing is called the "flow state",
'working meditation'. akin to the mental state Zen
Buddhists attain during zazen, "sitting in meditation".

It's characterized by a feeling that what you are doing
has become effortless,  accompanied by a sense of
timelessness, altho the timelessness is mostly
noticeable after the state ends, when you realize that
more time has passed than you knew.

You may notice that Time seems to slow down or
stand still while you are in the "flow state", that
other things seem to be moving slowly or not at all.

You may also experience an easy and enjoyable "flow"
of ideas, and/or the "Aha!" experience of your
subconscious suddenly presenting your conscious
mind with the full-blown solution to a problem, or just
a wonderful new insight or series of insights.

It is a lot like a dream state, including the difficulty of
deliberately holding on to it (better to accept it, and,
by not-trying, keep it a little longer), but it leaves the
ideas behind, unlike a fading dream.

It may be related to "active dreaming". I'm almost sure
daydreaming is a form of it.

With practice, it becomes easier to induce. It does
seem to show up when your mind is either very bored
and idle and needs something else to do, or very
intensely involved, concentrating, and not blocking your
subconscious. That sort of accounts for the Zen
Buddhist traditions of meditation, arts, and martial arts
exercises.

Along with the sense of timelessness and effortlessness,
there may also be a feeling of detachment, as if your
mind is somehow standing outside yourself observing.

Or you could feel yourself becoming one with your work,
or your environment, or even the universe, which might
pass for temporary "Nirvana".

I'm not sure how the experience relates to the reports of
religious "rapture" and "visions" in the mystic traditions
of various religions, e.g. the Sufi "Whirling Dervishes",
reports of St. Francis of Asisi's (spelling?) behaviour,
the Quakers and Shakers, Native American "visions",
but I suspect a link.

Then again, maybe not.

I remember when I discovered I had a subconscious.
It communicated to me, in a series of wordless but
instantly understood visual images, that I had just
had too much to drink, was about to become very sick,
and was being directed to go straight to the bathroom ... .
Up until just then, I had been pretty oblivious to the fact
that I had a subconscious, and that it _knew_ things
that I didn't, and that it could send orders when it felt
like it. Mostly tho we still ignore each other.
    :-)

A couple of times, I've had the "flow state" come on
while thinking about an Origami problem, when things
suddenly went "Click!" and ideas suddenly fell into place.

Once, Rae Cooker asked whether I could do a $ bill
Telephone, and I suddenly knew what to do with a
funny dumbell shape I'd played with the other day, and
the idea of a box open on two sides as a customixable 3-D
form.

My $ bill Eagle came to me while I was tuning out the
jingoistic message of a July 4th program, and asked myself
for a $ bill Eagle. It was interesting, because at each step I'd
think "I want this" or "I have that problem" and would feel a
remembered technique being suggested by my subconscious.
Actually, I think it was stronger than a suggestion. More like
"Just do this.".

But it wouldn't have been possible without the lots of practice
I'd had, that let me (and my subconscious) think in terms of
"how do I make the paper do this?", instead of "what do I
fold to where?"

It's like being able to write, without stopping to ask
how each word is spelled.

"Practice! Practice! Practice!" until you can do things
without thinking about most of the details. And one day,
the flow state just happens.

Oh, and in case you hadn't guessed, I tend to write letters
in the flow state, too. My apologies for the resulting length.

Anyway, the "flow state", the satori experience, the
"Aha!" problem solving experience, and religious rapture,
are among the so-called "altered mental states". Like
"getting high" without drugs. Seem to be cheap and
healthful.

Enjoy!
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 21:11
Subject: Resins & Coatings

To all:

I first wrote about my coloring techniques in FOCA newsletter #34 in the
Fall of 1989. In the Spring 1990, issue #36, I wrote about my experiences in
coating origami jewelry. I then updated those articles for the Decorating
paper Book that can be found on the Origami USA website :
http://209.3.73.100/default.htm. The summary is as follows.
DECORATING AND ENHANCING PAPER FOR ORIGAMI Describes techniques to use
before folding. Topics include rubbing, stamping, dyeing, backcoating,
wetfolding and tissuefoil. These methods will enable folders to prepare
unique and more appealing papers for origami. 50 pp. PB, spiral-bound.
$9.95.
This list is from less toxic to more with some variations for expense and
ease of use.

My first attempts at coating were with Acrylic medium. It covers the models
with either a matte or glossy finish. The models are still flexible and
prone to distortion. It makes a good undercoat for the polyester resins
although several coats are required.

The Japanese stuff that Kim's Crane's sells. It is a bit stiffer than the
acrylic medium, less available  and a better finish. For limited use it is a
good product. I also use it as an undercoat for the polyester resins. I have
a couple of bottle of the stuff and have finished a couple of bottles
already. Two coats (minimum) are needed.

Clear Spray Paint and Polyurethane: Bit more toxic and definitely resists
water. Several coats are required to make the model stiff. Sometimes the
paper becomes brittle.

Polyester resin: There are many brands. I first started with Crystal Clear
Cast which had a large can of resin and small bottle of catalyst - too much
catalyst and it thickened tooooo fast, tooo little and the surface was tacky
forever. Mixing the right amount was difficult. Alice Grey had recommend
some stuff call Treasure Crystal Clear Kote which came in these small 2 once
bottles. It was in one bottle and needed no mixing. It gave clear finish
that was somewhat soft. I had found a mail order place that sold it in pint
and quart cans but they ceased to sell it. The local craft store has just
started restocking it.

Now I am using Envirotex-lite which comes in two plastic bottles. The
instructions say to mix equal parts. I add another equal part of lacquer
thinner to slow the curing process. Instead of 10 -15 minutes to work with
the liquid, I have an hour or two. It smells reeeaaallllly bad. If
nailpolish or airplane glue is a three, this is an 8.5 while the Crystal
Clear Cast is a 9.2. Which is why it is justified in say it is lite. For
less stink, I have been told that nail polish remover (Acetone will also
work - it turns the liquid opaque but dries clear). I now get the stuff from
Dick Blick who has one of its warehouse in the next town. The teachers will
know this place as where the school system place there art orders. There is
a picture of Michael LaFosse's happy bat in their catalogue some where in
the paper selection. It is nice to be able to go to their show room flip
through the catalogue - wait 10 minutes and walk out the door. They have
some good prices on the Thai Unru Rice paper if you buy over 10 sheets.

The problem with the polyester resins is that it turns the paper
translucent. This can be effective for you old geezers who still have the
stain glass paper that was discontinued over 10 years ago. I still have two
packs that I am hoarding plus a few loose sheets. For regular origami paper,
the colors bleed through in a very uneven way. To my way of thinking this
mutes and distorts the colors. There are few ways around this. Spray glue
the paper to regular kitchen foil. I color the white side of foil paper with
liquid acrylics diluted  with Liquitex Marblease applied with a sponge.
Originally, I had used liquid water colors but these faded over time in
direct sunlite. I generally use silver foil since the color foil is made by
putting a thin layer of opaque lacquer on the silver. The color sometimes
separates of bleeds through. Gold will separate in to blue and green while
the red has bled through to the white side.

Getting a white paper is particularly difficult since the white paper bleeds
slightly silver. For the water colors, there are translucent and opaque
formulas. I was able to use the translucent color to mimic the sheen on
beetles wing with this combination. Unfortunately, I can't get translucent
acrylic paints. At least they don't fade.

If I use regular origami paper, I have to do 4-5 undercoats of Acrylic
medium. Even then - if there is one little pin hole missing the plastic
seeps in destroys the piece. The resulting stain looks like a grease spot.
Last time I did this in quantity - 50% was ruined. I am trying two under
coats of the Japanese stuff and then a third coat of a medium and see if
that works. One coat of the Japanese stuff had an 80% failure rate so I got
4 good pieces out of that batch.

Tissue foil works nicely and so does some heavy gift wrap that I got that
has an undercoating of foil - strange stuff -hard to describe.

This about does it. I have been trying to limit my personal mail at work
since a friend got fired for inappropriate use of the email. He had some of
the best jokes. I miss my supply. He does have another job fortunately. He
was one of the better tech support people. I always felt safe when he worked
on my machine.

I hope this helps.

Mark Kennedy





From: "Robert S. Bussell" <rbussell@IQUEST.NET>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 22:13
Subject: Re: Toyoaki Kawai's Colorful Origami

Yes, I have the book.  There are twelve masks.  They are Deija devil's
mask, Devil's mask, old mans's mask, female demon's mask, golden ghost's
mask, Buddha's mask, Mask for Chinese opera, Two-Faced mask, red and black
mask, long-nosed goblin, Daruma, fox mask.  What you want to do?  And do
you have a deadline?

At 02:06 AM 2/8/00 GMT, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone have Toyoaki Kawai's book, colorful Origami? I am very
>interseted in this book, mainly the masks. If anyone has it, please let me
>know! Thanks.
>
>
>
>Jake Crowley
>jakecrow@hotmail.com
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
Carol Comstock Bussell
Indianapolis, Indiana
rbussell@iquest.net





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 22:22
Subject: Unadorned Origami

I'd like to sing the praises of naked origami, unadorned by resins,
polyurethane, laquers, etc. I like my origami to look like origami and
not like some porcelain trinket.   So it won't last forever, and you'll
have to periodically refold and replace it.  Is not the nature of  our
artform ephemeral?

Dorothy





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 22:58
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

Dorothy Engleman inquired as to the empherality of origami.

Aren't some of the oldest documents on paper? Perhaps it is only
recently that "we" have made high acid-content self destroying paper.
Compounding that are the noxious substances that have produced acid
rain and other nasty atmospheric affects which would corrode
unprotected substances.

But those are just the current environmental conditions. I don't think
origami is inherently ephemeral. It is more like the canary in the coal
mine, it is more fragile than rock sculpture perhaps...

-D'gou





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 08 Feb 2000 23:11
Subject: Unadorned Origami

Message text written by Origami List
>I'd like to sing the praises of naked origami, unadorned by resins,
polyurethane, laquers, etc. I like my origami to look like origami and
not like some porcelain trinket.   So it won't last forever, and you'll
have to periodically refold and replace it.  Is not the nature of  our
artform ephemeral?<

        Not with the wonders of modern technology (which, by the way, is
how most papers are manufactured nowadays, so it's not like by avoiding
chemicals we're being truer to some antiquated "spirit" of origami!)  A
quick word about all the chemical talk we've been having lately: if you
want to waterproof your origami, you're going to have to use chemicals,
most of which have noxious, if not outright toxic, fumes.  This is largely
because water is a solvent of organic compounds; thus, trace moisture in
the air will attack most of the organic-based, non-noxious compounds and
degrade them fairly rapidly (meaning over the course of a few years -- of
course, under humid conditions, a lot of inorganics will degrade, too).
The inorganic, synthetic compounds are largely more resistant to water as a
solvent, and require things like acetone to dissolve them; hence, they are
better suited to waterproofing.  The noxious fumes are just something with
which users must deal; precautions are, of course, always recommended if
not required.

 _,_
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 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 00:55
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

Jerry Harris wrote:

"Not with the wonders of modern technology (which, by the way, is how
most papers are manufactured nowadays, so it's not like by avoiding
chemicals we're being truer to some antiquated "spirit" of origami!)"

Jerry, my point was that chemicalizing our gentle hobby by adding toxic
coatings was not particularly gentle to our environment and our lungs.

A note of explanation to my ode to naked origami.  I apologize for
mistakenly implying that our artform is ephemeral (Thank you, Doug!).  I
should have confined my remark to the origami that is used as jewelry.
Without a protective coating, origami used in an ornamental manner may
indeed be ephemeral. However, I would personally prefer to periodically
replace such ornamental origami rather than subject it to chemical
protective coatings.  Not only am I opposed to adding toxic chemicals, I
also happen to love the look and feel of pure, unadorned origami.

Dorothy





From: Bill Clarke <llib@COMPUTER.ORG>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 02:00
Subject: Re: Materials for Folding.

g'day all,

Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:
[...]
> Mathematical objects
>     (Topological Manifolds, Knotted Surfaces,
>     Catastrophe Theory, Mathematical Models, Knot
>     Theory, Map Folding, Stamp Sheet Folding,
>     Dragon Curves, ...)
>
> Science Fiction Inventions
>      (E.g.: Space and Time Warps; more recently
>       Wormholes; Isaac Asimov's Slow Glass, where
>       the path of light going thru the "glass" is somehow
>       folded back on itself many times to slow it down,
>       so it takes years before it comes out the other side)

and check out http://www.kleinbottle.com for some (not so) serious space
folding (-:

cheers,
/lib
--
/lib: Bill Clarke CRC for Advanced Computational Systems ANU Australia
http://llib.tsx.org mailto:llib-at-computer-dot-org tel:+61-2-62798636
fax:+61-2-62798651 | GNU unix ML C++ X LaTeX MPI tcsh emacs XPilot KLF
mozilla KDD/DM XFiles StarTrek Goodies DrWho Asimov Bear Clarke Jordan
Lackey Martin Stasheff Volleyball Origami Cricket DeepPurple H&C Queen
PinkFloyd v1.2a s+d>r TW 1/0/pw Gfm 1? pp Animals 9 26 50.0% <14dec98>





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 02:00
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

Dorothy Engleman indited:

+protective coatings.  Not only am I opposed to adding toxic chemicals, I
+also happen to love the look and feel of pure, unadorned origami.

I lost track that we were talking about jewelry, which is likely to
come in contact with skin oils and other human chemicals which could
well be detrimental to the paper's integrity. As I vaguely recall from
a class a long time ago, bookbinders used wax to help seal the papers,
and gilting of the edges of the pages was not merely decoration (though
I can not now summon from memory the practical reason).

I'm curious 'bout your preference for unadorned origami. Is it that you object
to the processing of the model? (I would guess not), or would you even avoid
models whose paper was processed before they were folded? (In the strictest
sense, putting ink on the paper to make color/white kami is an adornment,
n'est-ce pas?)

-D'gou





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 03:08
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

At 01:59 09.02.00 -0500, >-D'gou wrote:
>and gilting of the edges of the pages was not merely decoration (though
>I can not now summon from memory the practical reason).

I didn't know that gilding the edges of book pages had a practical reason
besides decoration, but having worked in a library that had quite a lot of
old books, I find it makes sense. It's the edges that get ruined first,
gathering dust and moisture and fungi all day long from the stuffy air in
the room. Without going back to the Middle Ages, look at an old paperback
from the 50's with high-acid content paper, and see how the discolouring of
the pages is gradual, lighter in the middle and yellower/browner the closer
you get to the edges. In older books made before the Industrial Revolution,
with hand made paper, you will notice that when they have fungus spots, the
spots are mostly distributed about the edges and corners too.

Julia, Switzerland





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 03:15
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

Doug Philips queried:

"I'm curious 'bout your preference for unadorned origami. Is it that you
object to the processing of the model? (I would guess not), or would you
even avoid models whose paper was processed before they were folded? (In
the strictest sense, putting ink on the paper to make color/white kami
is an adornment, n'est-ce pas?)"

What I personally dislike is the application of protective coatings on
origami. It makes the model resemble a porcelain trinket.  I have seen
polyurethaned models.  They may be waterproof but, for me, they've lost
their intrinsic origami charm.  I want to see folds and feel paper.  I
want my origami to look and feel like origami!

Dorothy





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 03:53
Subject: Re: Materials for Folding-Catastrophe Theory

Kenny1414@AOL.COM on Tuesday, February 08, 2000 wrote:
[...]
> Mathematical objects
>     (Topological Manifolds, Knotted Surfaces,
>     Catastrophe Theory, Mathematical Models, Knot
>     Theory, Map Folding, Stamp Sheet Folding,
>     Dragon Curves, ...)
>
Hi Kenneth,

Interesting that you mention Catastrophe Theory. I have used or rather
adapted the first four manifolds of Catastrophe Theory for several of my
models. They give the curved surfaces to the models.

Check out http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit/3d.html or
http://www.britishorigami.org.uk/ under "Theory".

Cheers!

Cheng Chit





From: Yura Lyskow <ylyskow@MAIL.RU>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 06:06
Subject: pegasus

Thanks for answers. But it's hard for me to take books about origami. I am from
     Russia ;). I was thinking, that I can take diagrams from Internet. I see,
     this is impossible.





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 06:33
Subject: Re: |unadorned origami: porcelan-paper

"It makes the model resemble a porcelain trinket.  I have seen
polyurethaned models.  They may be waterproof but, for me, they've lost
their intrinsic origami charm.  I want to see folds and feel paper.  I
want my origami to look and feel like origami!"
-------
I agree.
Since I have a hobby ceramics, and I heard about Porcellan-Paper =
paper with clay that you can bake in the oven, I am busy with that
idea, to me it sounds fantastic.
The idea of papermaking and the idea of making porcellan is similar.
It is all  nature and pure.
I would like to know how THE FOLD behaves.
I am expect that it has the same glorious effect.
Via the list I have met 2 people who are also very interested.
I know in Japan people are working with it.
I hope to find someone who can show it to me.
I have already tried it but not yet succeeded.
Is there on the list someone who is working with the
pocelan-paper ?
xxxxxxxelsje





From: Julius Kusserow <juku@MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 08:13
Subject: Model question - 3D Tree

Hi All,

I'm searching a 3d tree model. I look already in the USA-m,odelindex, but
the descriptions make no decision between 2d and 3d. I'm looking for a non
xmas, non-palm tree.

Thank you in advance
        Julius





From: Dennis Cuy <astra01@HOME.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 08:38
Subject: "New" Kawasaki Rose Help!

Hi all!

I hate to do this because I know this model has so many questions
asked about it - I should know, I just searched through the archives!

BUT...

I've been working on the rose for the past couple of days now and
I can get the twist fold down fine, but I'm just totally clueless on
how to go from step 20 to step 21.  Are the flaps brought together
below the "square"?  Where do the "flaps" wind up in steps 21 and 22?

I'll keep trying, but I would appreciate any help!

Thanks!
Dennis





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 09:04
Subject: Re: "New" Kawasaki Rose Help!

Dennis

This is by far (IMHO) the toughest part of the model !!

Diagram 21 is what the model looks like from above - the flaps just
wrap over each other, folding back on themselves at the diagonal line
shown in diagram 20. The top edge of each flap is the mountain fold running
from the centre
of the model to the outer edge formed when you did the twist in sets 18 and
19. The little
square is inside the top of the resulting cylinder, closing off the top. The
top edge of each
flap kinda spirals off the centre of the little square.

Step 22 is looking into the cylinder from the bottom. The little square
shown in
the diagram is at the other end of the cylinder.

Hope this helps.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Cuy <mailto:astra01@HOME.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 1:30 PM
Subject: "New" Kawasaki Rose Help!

> Hi all!
>
> I hate to do this because I know this model has so many questions
> asked about it - I should know, I just searched through the archives!
>
> BUT...
>
> I've been working on the rose for the past couple of days now and
> I can get the twist fold down fine, but I'm just totally clueless on
> how to go from step 20 to step 21.  Are the flaps brought together
> below the "square"?  Where do the "flaps" wind up in steps 21 and 22?
>
> I'll keep trying, but I would appreciate any help!
>
> Thanks!
> Dennis





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 10:40
Subject: Re: Model question - 3D Tree

>>From: Julius Kusserow <juku@MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
>>Subject:      Model question - 3D Tree
>>
>>I'm searching a 3d tree model. I look already in the USA-m,odelindex, but
>>the descriptions make no decision between 2d and 3d. I'm looking for a non
>>xmas, non-palm tree.

Try these (sorry, trees are not my favorite subject):
- baobab in J. Anibal Voyer's Papirofauna, in Spanish, once (maybe even now)
  available at Kim's Crane - nice model with individual branches
- swamp cypress and gum tree in Lang's Origami Animals (unfortunately
  hard to find today) - the gum tree is rather flat but can be easily
  3Dized
- several intermediate trees in Kasahara's Origami Omnibus, easily
  available - most are variations of the "open pyramid" theme
- several trees in Lionel Albertino's Origami Safari
- some models in Turner's Garden Folds, available at OUSA

Most 3D tree models use rectangles or more than one sheet of paper. The
baobab and the gum tree mentioned use an uncut square. I can check details
at home if you need.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Gary W. Boyd" <mini@VOLSTATE.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 10:56
Subject: Introducing . . . Gary Boyd

Greetings Artists & Artisans,

   Thank you for allowing the opportunity to join your gently unfolding
     discussions.  By way of introduction, I am primarily a builder of wooden
     structures whose greatest understanding is of God as a child, waiting for
     His best friends to come Home and pl

   During my career I have devised ways to design decks with intricate flooring
     patterns.  I am interested in exploring the possibility of using origami
     motifs.  The hopeful result will be a deck with an image that is
     reproduced in a free standing folded

   To use the Peace Crane as an example, I would first try to fold one about
     five feet tall out of copper.  Standing on the deck, it would throw a
     'shadow' of itself in the decking.

   Does anyone have an original origami design you'd like to have made into a
     free set of decking blueprints?  Or I wonder whether you might assist me
     by giving my name to a copyright holder of designs?  I wish to make these
     plans freely available at no c

   Love,

          Gary Boyd
Constructive Alternatives
     mini@volstate.net
  3786 Cottonport Road
Dayton, Tennessee, 37321
          423-570-0870

Creature Console
http://www.miniaturemonuments.com





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 11:00
Subject: Re: Model question - 3D Tree

Julius wrote:

>I'm searching a 3d tree model.

BARF Winter '99, 'Leafed Tree' by Peter Budai
3-D tree with 12 branches and leaves

Anyone seen the Winter 2000 issue yet?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 11:46
Subject: Folding the Universe

Hey!

I had a great day yesterday and found Engle's "Folding the UNiverse" in
a used bookstore i haunt occasionally. I bought it even though I have
his "Angelfish to Zen" edition.... I didn't see a spot of difference
between the two. Since I don't need them both, I was thinking of selling
one or the other to someone in my club here in Denver. Which is the
better one to keep and why?

Dee





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 12:27
Subject: Re: Folding the Universe

Please mind - I have only the newer, Dover edition. AFAIK, in several
models of the original edition the explanation text was in separate
pages, not immediately below drawings like almost everyone is used to.
The Dover edition was rumored to have reorganized the captions in their
customary location, but I can't check it.
Apart from that possible change, the editorial contents didn't change
a dot. IMHO you can always buy the Dover edition again if you like, their
books remain in print for ever and ever (well not quite, exactly _once_
I had the misfortune of looking for an OOP Dover edition). The same
can't be said of the original. And I'd be _very_ proud to own the 1st
edition of Engel's classic.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 12:29
Subject: Serial Origami

Dear Friends,

As BOS editor, I am looking for complex models that I can serialise over 2 -
3 issues, like the Dragonfly last year. Anyone out there feel they can
contribute such? Please send by post to: 15 Ellington Road, Lower Feltham,
Middlesex TW13 4RQ, England (new address)
ASAP.

Many, many thanks!!

Rick Beech.





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 12:38
Subject: Talk about origami!

Hi everyone!

In school we've been told to talk 2-3 minutes about something, for example our
hobby, so of course I chose right away to talk about origami ;)
The "talk" will be the 16th February and I know already that I'll explain them
the difference between valley and mountainfold, I'll show them some models
I've made (unfortunately I don't have any extreme models like most of you here
;), tell them how there are different bases and how one can lead to a lot of
different models. When talking about valley and mountainfold I would like to
print a page on the internet I found where they show the symbols and also show
how to make the frog and the lilly among others. Of course I've forgotten the
url, but I remember it says diags somewhere at the end of it (anyone can help
me here?) Also would it be okay to print the page and hand it out to about 16
people? (thinking about copyright stuff).
The reason I'm writing to all of you is that I'd ask for your help in what to
say about origami. I don't know so much about it myself, so it would be nice
if you could tell me some stuff (like origin, historical origin and all that)
but remember keep it short! And keep it simple cause it's a course that
teaches simple grammar and stuff. Most of the people there don't have any
education (I'm there to learn Swedish).
Also I'd ask if any of you had a simple model diagrammed that I could hand out
to them so they could try it at home? I would also like to give them the
diagrams to a simple heart I found on the net (by Perry Bailey I think?) but
this URL has also disappeared. If the person (Perry?) who invented this model
is on the list, do I have your permission to hand out the diagram?
Thanks in advance for your help!

                                      Anine

____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 12:52
Subject: Re: Talk about origami!

Anine Cleve wrote:
> if you could tell me some stuff (like origin, historical origin and all that)
> but remember keep it short! And keep it simple cause it's a course

Well, we aren't going to write this for you (I hope!).
You can find lots of yummy writings to munch on in the archives, but searching
for those can be very tricky. I'd recommend you look at the archive of David
Lister's messages on the BOS website (http://www.britishorigami.org.uk/).
Great resource, and should give you a good bit to think about and summarize
from.

-D'gou

P.S. Its a bit tricky to find. Click on Theory then on Lister's List. (Why
this isn't under Resources is beyound me, but so it goes).





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 13:21
Subject: Re: Talk about origami!

Anine,

I'm afraid 2-3 minutes won't be enough for even touching some topics you
mentioned. You should both summarize and select fewer subjects. I'd begin
with something like "Origami or paperfolding has ancient roots in
Chinese, Japanese, Arab and Iberic culture. Although many 'traditional'
models are known, only in this century a fantastic increase in
the known literature, techniques and followers has elevated origami
to a world-recognized art form instead of child's pastime or craft".

To save time, you could draw a comparison with other art forms like music.
In origami, any model could conceivably be described only with
valley/mountain folds: all other maneuvres are compositions devised
for saving description effort. Likewise, any musical work is based on
a few basic sounds. Most structural/notational elements like bars,
arpeggios, ligatures, rhythm, composition, harmony, style and so on have
parallels in origami. [Not to mention 'elements' like "copyright", "author",
"performer", "fan" and "critic" :) ]

In other words - give your audience a broad, general idea, suggest
there's much more to know, then impress them with a model...

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Penny Groom <penny.groom@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 14:14
Subject: origami faces of composers

My son works as a marketing assistant for a record company that
specialises in classical music. He emailed me today to ask if there were
any folded faces of classical composers. He is very keen to get going on
an idea he has.

If anyone knows of any please let me know and also the source and the
creator so he can get permission to use them.

Alternatively if you feel like a challenge why not create some for him!

All the best

Penny
Penny Groom

Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
www.britishorigami.org.uk

Please visit the Hunger Site at http://www.thehungersite.com/
Clicking on this site once daily donates food at no cost to you to the
hungry around the world.





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 14:32
Subject: Re: jewelry

Dorothy,
At 17.38 7/2/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>
>"The vapors are toxic, but if you work outdoors (better in a windy day)
>that's not a big problem."
>
>The gentle art of origami doesn't usually bring to mind toxic vapors
>pouring into the atmosphere.  I think it would be really neat if
>paperfolders sought out a non-toxic alternative that did not add more
>pollution to our already besieged environment.

Sorry if I gave the impression of being an inveterate poisoner..... :-)
What I meant (just common sense !) is that, working outdoors, you can
minimize or avoid big problems "to your health" when working with that kind
of hardener. But being a chemist, I am well aware of the pollution problem
and agree with you that non-toxic alternatives are to be preferred,
whatever "non-toxic" means when dealing with such substances.....

Roberto





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 14:49
Subject: Template folding

I have been experimenting with the use of folding maps for
complex folds, and have discovered some interesting
possibilities...

For example, the Kawasaki Rose is a model that requires a
fairly extensive pre-crease. Many of the creases made at
the pre-crease stage end up as superfluous to the final
shape. If one maps the folds that are actually used to
produce the final shape, it is possible to fold only those
portions of the pre-crease which are needed for the rose.

Taking this concept one step further, if the map is drawn
to be mountain-and-valley specific, the creases can be made
in the proper direction, and there is no need to reverse
any of the folds.

One can fold the map (or template), but a more practical
idea is to fold on top of the template, using the lines as
your guide. Since it is impractical to make a mountain fold
against a flat surface, you will actually need two
templates- one for the valleys and one for the mountains.
(One must be a mirror image of the other.) In other words,
you only ever fold valley folds on top of the templates- to
produce the mountains, you turn over the blank and use the
mirror-image template.

The templates must of course be drawn specifically for the
size square you will be folding.

In addition to making the initial folding more efficient
and yielding a result with no superfluous creases, folding
by this method makes the initial collapse of the rose very
simple. It practically folds itself when you use good,
stiff paper. (I've been getting very good results with
Canson and the like.)

The last few steps of the rose should be finished in the
normal method.

I first discovered this technique while reproducing Thoki
Yenn's crossed box-pleat (mentioned on this list a few
months ago- I forget the address, But I'm sure most of you
have bookmarked his site by now.) By using a folding
template, I was able to easily produce tesselations of this
in large sheets, again, with no superfluous folds.

Thoretically, this technique can be applied to any fold,
but as the folds become more "layered," the payoff isn't
worth the effort to produce the templates. I would use this
technique only for extensively pre-creased models,
tesselations of folds, or to eliminate undesirable landmark
folds.

If you haven't ever drawn a folding map, I encourage you to
have a go at it. It's an education. It's not as easy as
one might think. For my maps, I draw with CAD, then I can
scale and print out the templates in whatever size I want.

Template folding is not the same "folding experience" as
the traditional method, so whether or not you choose to use
it depends in part on your reason for folding. One of the
joys of Origami is the sheer simplicity of it- that all you
need is an uncut square of paper. This method requires more
trappings, and will therefore be less appealing to those
who tend to be "purists." Template folding is all about the
result- an efficient process to produce a clean result, as
simply as possible.

The next phase of my experimentation involves exploring the
possibilities of design alteration of the folding map to
produce (predictable) changes in the folded model...Might
there be a five-sided rose in our future? (Oh, who am I
kidding- I'm sure somebody out there has done it...)

Has anyone else out there experimented with this kind of
folding? Anything interesting to share about it? Is
"Template Folding" a good name for it, or is there already
a term for it I'm unaware of?

      >K

----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 15:01
Subject: Matsuri Festival

The Matsuri Festival will be held in Phoenix AZ on February 26-27 at the
Heritage Square in the downtown area. This year's theme is "Japanese
Toys". An expected 20,000 people per day will visit the Origami Tent and
are invited to fold an origami toy. The Phoenix Matsuri is the largest
of its kind in the US. It is a free Festival, which will also include 5
stages with Martial Arts, Music, and Performers along with Authentic
Food and Art Booths.

Russell Sutherland was selected by the Arizona Origami Society as the
featured Origamist. There will be an exhibit of his work continuing into
the month of March. During the Festival Russell will be teaching and
demonstrating. He will teach a workshop on Monday for his Fiesta Gourd,
Art Nouveau Faces and Modulars. There is a fee for this workshop.

Russell has also held exhibits at the Asian Cultures Museum in Corpus
Christi, the South Texas Art Museum, and Texas State Aquarium. His
creations were exhibited at the OUSA Convention in New York and the MFPP
in Paris, France.

For more information on the Mitsuri Festival please contact Diana Wolf
at DMAWolf@aol.com

Congratulations Russell!





From: Dennis Cuy <astra01@HOME.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 15:44
Subject: Re: "New" Kawasaki Rose Help!

Mark,

You wrote:
>This is by far (IMHO) the toughest part of the model !!
>
>Diagram 21 is what the model looks like from above - the flaps just
>wrap over each other, folding back on themselves at the diagonal line
>shown in diagram 20. The top edge of each flap is the mountain fold running
>from the centre
>of the model to the outer edge formed when you did the twist in sets 18 and
>19. The little
>square is inside the top of the resulting cylinder, closing off the top. The
>top edge of each
>flap kinda spirals off the centre of the little square.
>
>Step 22 is looking into the cylinder from the bottom. The little square
>shown in
>the diagram is at the other end of the cylinder.

THANKS!!  This is just what I needed!  I need a little more practice
to get the cylinder tighter, but your pointers got me through to the end.
I really like this model!

Dennis





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 16:01
Subject: Re: materials for folding

David
Add cellophane to the list. I get cellophane sandwich and food bags (they
smell better than plastic bags) from an outfit called GAIAM  and
occasionally fold them, as is, or cut into squares, into transparent
models.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 16:23
Subject: Re: origami faces of composers

Hi Penny,

If my memory is right you can get it fairly near you. One of the 3 BOS
booklets on Neal Elias has many busts. I am almost certain there's
a Beethoven's. There sure is a "Beethoven at the piano" model too.
Just let me check it at home tonight.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 16:42
Subject: Can anyone help?

Below is a copy of a post to alt.arts.origami
Can anyone help with ideas?
Send them direct to desaib@medicine.wustl.edu
or to me at Papajoe@chorus.net and I will foward them.
Or if you want to post to the O-List I will foward them from here.
Thanks

Joe

________________________________________________________
From: "Bimal Ramesh Desai" <desaib@medicine.wustl.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.origami
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:38 AM
Subject: simple origami

> Dear newsgroupies,
>
> I'm teaching origami at a clinic for children with Juvenile Rheumatoid
> Arthritis in a few weeks.  Any suggestions for folds that are 1) simple
> -that is they don't require too much manual dexterity and 2) visually
> rewarding?  Does anyone out there have experience teaching either adults
> or children with dexterity problems?
>
> Any information or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> -Bimal





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 17:03
Subject: Re: Unadorned Origami

>I'd like to sing the praises of naked origami, unadorned by resins,
>polyurethane, laquers, etc. I like my origami to look like origami and
>not like some porcelain trinket.   So it won't last forever, and you'll
>have to periodically refold and replace it.  Is not the nature of  our
>artform ephemeral?
>
>Dorothy

Having found an ideal, acid free paper, just the right thickness and
texture, obtained from the hide of the Spiney anteaster, blended with giant
panda saliva, I intend to foil-back this paper. Does anyone know of any
alloy which has an incredibly low level of chemical reactivity and an almost
infinate half-life?

Yours non-ephemrally,

Stephen

PS : NASA are currently working on the spray glue.
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From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 Feb 2000 17:19
Subject: Freebie

Can I interest anybody (in the UK only I'm afraid unless somebody has a
really good reason!!!!) in a slightly tatty 'Teach Yourself Origami' by
Harbin 1980 edition...absolutely free! I am feeling generous as I found a 68'
1st edition in a PDSA charity shop for 10p!. Just send me a email privately
and I'll send it on. That's why in the UK, but I will send elsewhere if
somebody is really desperate. First come, first serve.

It is the edition with a blue cover ahowing a squirrel and pigeon. There are
a few loose pages, but they are all there. In a seperate note does anybody
have any diagrams for Circus models. Being a juggler/fire eater etc myself I
have an extensive collection of very old Circus books, but cannot track any
folds down at all and I would dearly like to fold some!

Leigh
http://hometown.aol.com/origami451
