




From: Dennis Walker <TheWalkers@INAME.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 13:28
Subject: Mini Meeting

Hi,

        I'm intending (hoping) to hold a mini-meeting at my home in Cairneyhill
     in
Scotland. The date I have planned is Sunday 26th March. If anyone is
interested please e-mail me.

                                Thank you,
                                                Dennis Walker





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <Jacob.Metzger@CIT.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 15:02
Subject: Looking for Bbook

Hi!

I'm looking to borrow (or buy, ha-ha) a copy of the book "Let's Link and
Make Unit Origami" by Tomoko Fuse. I'm willing to send postage, a deposit,
or references, whatever it takes so that I can take a look at this book for
no more than a week. Here is a (very tiny) picture of the book's cover:
http://www.sasugabooks.com/stock/441638825X.jpg  (It's out of print, and
they have no stock. And not available through OUSA's library.). The ISBN# is
4-416-38825-X. If any lucky owner is willing to help me out, I'd really
appreciate it. Please email me directly, not to the list. Thanks.

Yaacov Metzger
jmetzger@citgroup.com





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 15:47
Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil

My experience with spray adhesives is that they "out gas" for a long
period of time after they are ostensibly "dry". Many are allergic to
these fumes.

Ron allergic Arruda





From: Katharine Autenrieth <LVHAN@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 16:04
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

oh wow!  i didnt even know that it had a name!  I also have it.  its more of
a pain for me, than anything else.  i dont do much wet-folding so i never
thought of that.  and most of the time i use my fingernails to crease
instead, becuase of the sweaty hands.
thanks for the info!

Katharine Autenrieth





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 17:00
Subject: Tongue twister

Does anybody remember the old drinking game Fuzzy Duck? Modesty prevents me
describing all the rules but suffice to say it gets harder the more pints of
cider you drink!
Leigh

'When all is said and one, when all the shouting and philosophizing and
moralizing is over, I suspect that this tale is another example of
something'....AC Weisbecker whereever he may be





From: Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 17:35
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

>From:    "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: models in annual collection

> Yes -- but many of these appear to be 'filler'. Not every diagram submitted
> deserves to be published. Sometimes they are just as their title says --
> 'doodles'.
> ~J
>>

Jac,

I beg to differ. We are not in the business of serving only the elite
folders. The Annual Collection is published to serve the whole community of
folders not only the experts.
And I resent the fact that the discussion over the OUSA's handling of the
diagrams is taken place in this Origami list. Since OUSA is not the owner nor
is a member of this Origami list, I don't feel that this is the appropiate
place as a respository for ill feelings against OUSA. If you have any
problems with OUSA, write directly to the OUSA not this Origami list. There
are so many of us (I'm not speaking for the US citizens only but for the
whole world) who are sick and tired of the OUSA thread.

Andrew Borloz





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 17:43
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

I have to agree with Andrew on this point. This type of discussion should be
taking place over on the OUSA members list, not here. Membership is
restricted to OUSA members. You may join that list by sending a request to
V'Ann Cornelius at mailto:vann@origami-usa.org

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Borloz [mailto:Cooknfold@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 2:33 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: models in annual collection
>
>
> >From:    "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Subject: Re: models in annual collection
>
> > Yes -- but many of these appear to be 'filler'. Not every
> diagram submitted
> > deserves to be published. Sometimes they are just as their
> title says --
> > 'doodles'.
> > ~J
> >>
>
> Jac,
>
> I beg to differ. We are not in the business of serving only the elite
> folders. The Annual Collection is published to serve the
> whole community of
> folders not only the experts.
> And I resent the fact that the discussion over the OUSA's
> handling of the
> diagrams is taken place in this Origami list. Since OUSA is
> not the owner nor
> is a member of this Origami list, I don't feel that this is
> the appropiate
> place as a respository for ill feelings against OUSA. If you have any
> problems with OUSA, write directly to the OUSA not this
> Origami list. There
> are so many of us (I'm not speaking for the US citizens only
> but for the
> whole world) who are sick and tired of the OUSA thread.
>
> Andrew Borloz





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 18:04
Subject: no fold origami - Casalonga

Recently Claire C asked for directions to no fold origami with a 'humorous'
flavour. I think she may have been seeking the origami page of Jean_Jerome
Casalonga, which can be found at:

http://www.multimania.com/jjcasalo/index.htm

and is full of some very strange origami with just a few (or no) folds.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 18:53
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

******** Borloz complained:
There
are so many of us (I'm not speaking for the US citizens only but for the
whole world) who are sick and tired of the OUSA thread.
***********************************

Well -- it's nice that you're perpetuating it then, isn't it? And if you
don't like the thread -- don't read it! How dare you tell me an Origami list
is not the place to discuss Origami issues! There are plenty who share my
feelings -- and as many OUSA staffers belong to the list -- there is no
better place to discuss this. You don't like -- then don't read. Exercise
freewill!
~J

>From: Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: models in annual collection
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:33:03 EST
>
> >From:    "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Subject: Re: models in annual collection
>
> > Yes -- but many of these appear to be 'filler'. Not every diagram
>submitted
> > deserves to be published. Sometimes they are just as their title says --
> > 'doodles'.
> > ~J
> >>
>
>Jac,
>
>I beg to differ. We are not in the business of serving only the elite
>folders. The Annual Collection is published to serve the whole community of
>folders not only the experts.
>And I resent the fact that the discussion over the OUSA's handling of the
>diagrams is taken place in this Origami list. Since OUSA is not the owner
>nor
>is a member of this Origami list, I don't feel that this is the appropiate
>place as a respository for ill feelings against OUSA. If you have any
>problems with OUSA, write directly to the OUSA not this Origami list. There
>are so many of us (I'm not speaking for the US citizens only but for the
>whole world) who are sick and tired of the OUSA thread.
>
>Andrew Borloz

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From: Doug Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 19:03
Subject: NO: Scent distillation for Smelly-gami

on 1/19/00 1:17 PM, Ron Arruda at arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU wrote:

> I'm in the same boat as Doug, in terms of allergic reaction to most
> fragrances.  [...]

> But I do think that if a model or paper were kept in a box with actual
> natural rose petals, that the smell absorbed would be fairly innoccuous
> to me personally.
>
> Ron Arruda
>

My father grew and distilled the essential oils of peppermint and spearmint
on our farm when I was growing up.  I have a lingering distaste for the
smell -- it was just too intense.  You could literally smell it for miles.
And some scents give me a headache.

Of more origami interest, distilling is a fairly simple process.  If you
have:

1) a vessel in which you can heat water with a good deal of control, or
through which you can direct steam,
2) a tube which goes up and then down and can be cooled, and
3) a receiving vessel,
you can extract quite easily essential oils that vaporize at a lower
temperature than water and are not damaged by heat.  Lavender, cinnamon, and
of course the mints are in this category.  Rose, alas, is not.

We took two laboratory flasks and connected them with a bit of glass tubing
bent that we had bent over a bunsen flame.  Then we heated water and the
material we wanted to extract in one, wrapped the tubing with damp cloth,
and gained some nice lavender and cinnamon oil.  Carnation, alas, doesn't
extract, and when one of the petals covered the exit hole, we had a small
explosion, and splattered sickly sweet burnt-smelling stuff on the walls and
the jacket of a visiting friend.  So it goes.  Avoid this problem for best
results.

I hope to make some tests on scenting paper with essential oils and report
back later.  But, as you can tell, by my lag on this thread, I'm a bit
swamped at the moment, and it may be a while.

Meanwhile, keep folding!

Anna
--
Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 19:37
Subject: Wallpaper calendar for Feburary

Hi all,

Being lazy...just can't be bothered to click on the time in the taskbar...I
have used a calendar for my desktop wallpaper...I thought it might be nice
to make one with an origami theme.  Perry Bailey graciously allowed me to
use his photo of the Compact Dragon for the background.

http://www.kalei.com/origami/calendar.html

I just got the major portion of this site up tonight so there are probably
bugs in it.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
http://www.kalei.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 19:51
Subject: ADMIN: OUSA Thread (was Re: models in annual collection)

At 18:53 00/02/01 -0500, JacAlArt . wrote:
>******** Borloz complained:
>There
>are so many of us (I'm not speaking for the US citizens only but for the
>whole world) who are sick and tired of the OUSA thread.
>***********************************
>
>Well -- it's nice that you're perpetuating it then, isn't it? And if you
>don't like the thread -- don't read it! How dare you tell me an Origami list
>is not the place to discuss Origami issues! There are plenty who share my
>feelings -- and as many OUSA staffers belong to the list -- there is no
>better place to discuss this. You don't like -- then don't read. Exercise
>freewill!

Enough. We've been through this before. Yes, this is sort of an origami
issue. But it really is an OUSA issue, and this is not the OUSA list. Now
that such a list exists, such discussion belongs there. If you're a member
of OUSA, then you can join. Howard has already told us how to go about it.
If you're not a member of OUSA, then you won't care anyway, right?

To be perfectly clear on this:

THIS IS NOT THE OrigamiUSA MAILING LIST. THIS IS THE ORIGAMI MAILING LIST.
PLEASE TAKE OrigamiUSA POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS TO THE OrigamiUSA MAILING LIST.
THANK YOU.

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From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 20:06
Subject: Backcoated Washi

Joseph, I love to come out and attend the Backcoating Worshop this summer.
Please email me or let me know as I'm very interested.  When you say
Backcoated Washi, does that mean there are actually two paper pasted
together?

Thanks a bunch.

Stephen Tran
Victoria BC

P.S.  Glad to hear there's another person with the same "nervous palms"...

************
Joseph Wu...

"Yes, it happens, as others have already attested. Backcoated washi is
actually very good for folding with sweaty hands, since the paste that binds
the two layers together dissolves very nicely when folded with damp fingers.
Maybe I should hold another backcoating workshop this summer, some time when
you can make it out to Vancouver?"

I'm wondering, though, if folding with sweat would not shorten the life of a
model. Sweat is not "acid-free" after all.
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 20:22
Subject: Re: Backcoated Washi

At 17:04 00/02/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Joseph, I love to come out and attend the Backcoating Worshop this summer.
>Please email me or let me know as I'm very interested.  When you say
>Backcoated Washi, does that mean there are actually two paper pasted
>together?

Yes, it involves two sheets. Although sometimes I just lay paste down on a
single sheet to get a similar effect, but with thinner results.

Email me privately regarding a workshop. Nothing is planned, and we can
schedule it around when you want to visit Vancouver.

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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Feb 2000 20:29
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Ron queried:

> The question is, "Is it better to cut a square and wet it or to
> first wet a square and then cut it?" As a followup, if you have a
> complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
> precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and
> then put in the precreases?"

If I will be wet-folding immediately from the get-go, I wet the paper first
and then cut it to a square.

However, if there's a lot of precreasing, I'll do all the precreasing first,
then wet it. Upon wetting, the square turns into a rectangle, but the errors
are distributed evenly across the square so folding on the precreases still
works.

Robert J. Lang





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 21:04
Subject: Re: ADMIN: OUSA Thread (was Re: models in annual collection)

Yes master.
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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 22:51
Subject: New model

Hi folks this month there are gonna be two models, but for now
there is only one as I haven't had time to diagram mine!  So for
starters you get Erralee Bailey's Cobra bookmark, made back when
she saw Aladdin and recently diagrammed!

Enjoy!

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 02 Feb 2000 05:12
Subject: Candlemas Day NO

I'm not quite sure whether or not I owe Origami-l an apology for asking on
27th January what Groundhogs were. I could easily have looked it up in the
Encyclopaedia Britannica (15th, hardbound edition O! weep for its demise) and
seen immediately that groundhog is another name for a woodchuck. And even we
English are fully familiar with THAT tongue-twister. Incidentally thanks to
everyone for an engaging cluster of tongue-twisters new and old.

But my ignorance goes even futher. I vaguely thought that a woodchuck was a
bird on the analogy of a woodcock! So one learns every day. Now if someone
had said that a groundhog was a kind of marmot, then I would have known
immediately that a furry, cuddly (?) little animal was meant.

It so happens that in between all my delvings into Origami I have, for
entirely different reasons, been researching Candlemas. At one time is was
regarded as the tail-end of Christmas with minor feasting and celebration, no
doubt derived from some pagan festival that preceded the Christian festival
of the Presentation of the Christ Child in the Temple and the Purification of
the Virgin Mary. In some parts of England Christmas decorations had to be
taken down before Candlemas or bad luck would follow. This obserance has now
been transferred back to Twelfth Night, although it isn't clear whether
Twelfth Night is on the 5th or the 6th January. Authorities are utterly
confused on this point. Today in English Churches, and no doubt in others
throughout the world, the Crib is removed from churches at Candlemas.

So far I haven't come across any English folklore comparable with that
surrounding groundhogs. If it was rooted in German folklore, was there an
animal in Germany corresponding to the groundhog?

I was quite enjoying this Candlemas morning as the sun is shining brightly
and as is traditional, Spring is in the air and the snowdrops and aconites
freely flowering. But I feel depressed that according the the American
superstition, we may now be in for six more weeks of winter. I hope this
prognostication is no more accurate than that for St. Swithin's day. Perhaps,
however, it doesn't apply in England.

Again, I apologise to everyone who finds that NO topics are not to their
taste.But I have enjoyed this little diversion. Thank you to everyone who has
joined in.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Miguel_A._Mart=EDn_Monje?=" <miguelmartin@TELELINE.ES>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 08:17
Subject: Sorry for the wrong date

Hello to everybody again:

    The last e-mail that I sent to the origami list had a wrong address. I must
     use the date of 1997 to run a program, and I forgot to change it, sorry ;o)

    At last, I inform you again of our new page: www.publynet.com/aep ,visit
     it, it will like you.

    Good bye and gracias (thanks) ;o))
__________________________________________
                   Miguel
       miguelmartin@teleline.es
(Spanish Origami Society AEP)
          www.publynet.com/aep





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 09:09
Subject: Re: NO - Groundhog Day

Happy Groundhog Day!

So is it 6 more of snow or sun?

Dave





From: Mathieu Ciarlet <mciarlet@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 09:13
Subject: Hello and Bugatti model ?

Hi everybody,
I'm quite happy to have the chance to discuss again origami in the US list
(I had been there years ago). I already belong to the french one (French I
am).
I need some information : I've come along a bugatti model designed by Max
Hulm and I wondered wether it is diagrammed in a book, and thus which one ?

Thanks in advance.

Mathieu       *:o)
"May the fold be with you"
mciarlet@hotmail.com

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From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 10:03
Subject: Origami exhibition announcement

For anyone in the Montreal area in February, there is an origami exhibition
being held during the entire month at the municipal library in St-Jerome,
Quebec.

The folder, Roger Vincent, is a recent member of Origami-Montreal.  Roger is
presenting a series of about 50 origami models.  Half the models are of his
own creation, half from other creators.  Polar bears, Arctic wildlife, many
birds, various animals and a special selection of Heart models (for
Valentine's day) are presented.

St-Jerome Public Library
185 rue du Palais
St-Jerome, Qc

Hours:
Tuesday to Friday: 13h00 - 20h13
Saturday: 10h00 - 16h30
Sunday & Monday: Closed

The public library is located in downtown St-Jerome, right next to the
church and in front of the Cure' Labelle Square.

Gerard
Ori-Mtl: www.geocities.com/Soho/Den/8802





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 10:26
Subject: Re: NO - Groundhog Day

Dave sez:

>Happy Groundhog Day!
>So is it 6 more of snow or sun?

and David Lister frets:

>But I feel depressed that according the the American
>superstition, we may now be in for six more weeks of winter.

    It's early February in northern New Hampshire. Everywhere else, too, I
suppose. But we'd be happy to have ONLY six more weeks of winter at this
point, any year. We won't be seeing snowdrops until late April, if the
weather permits!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 12:06
Subject: FW: Verdi's Vase

To all of you looking for diagrams to Verdi's Vase a while back.

I got the offer to put the diagrams on the web from Alex Barber.

Here is the notice of availability that he sent me

Thanks to Ron Aruda for providing the issue and Alex for the technical work.

Enjoy,

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Barber [SMTP:barber@the-village.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:55 AM
> To:   Kennedy, Mark
> Subject:      re: Verdi's Vase
>
> Mark -
>
> Since these really are your diagrams, perhaps you'd like to announce their
> availability to the list.
>
> The direct link is: http://www.the-village.com/origami/pdf/verdisvase.pdf
>
> The section that they are in on my site is:
> http://www.the-village.com/origami/diagram.html
>
> I'd probably let people know that the file is in Adobe Acrobat format and
> that the Reader is available from http://www.adobe.com for any newbies.
>
> Alex
> barber@the-village.com | http://www.the-village.com





From: Doug Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 12:37
Subject: Re: NO - Groundhog Day

on 2/2/00 7:25 AM, Scott Cramer at scram@LANDMARKNET.NET wrote:

> Dave sez:
>
>> Happy Groundhog Day!
>> So is it 6 more of snow or sun?
>
> and David Lister frets:
>
>> But I feel depressed that according the the American
>> superstition, we may now be in for six more weeks of winter.
>
> It's early February in northern New Hampshire. Everywhere else, too, I
> suppose. But we'd be happy to have ONLY six more weeks of winter at this
> point, any year. We won't be seeing snowdrops until late April, if the
> weather permits!
>
> Scott scram@landmarknet.net
>

It's not coincidence that Groundhog's Day/Candlemas falls midway between the
winter solstice, around December 21 and the Spring Equinox, around March 21
(exactly, this year).  Since March 21 is the official first day of Spring,
you could say we're due for six more weeks of winter.  It's more like six
and a half, but as folk sayings tend to simplify over time, it probably
became rounded.

There's a full set of minor seasonal holidays that divide the year into
eight periods of six and a half weeks.  They're leftover from times when
knowing good planting dates and harvest dates was important to most
everyone.  Winter Solstice, Candlemas, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer
Solstice, Midsummer, Fall Equinox, and Halloween/All Saint's Eve.

Here in Portland, it's overcast and rainy.  Fairly warm, though.

In other calendrical news, Saturday is Chinese New Year -- a lunar calendar
rather than a solar one.  Coming into the Year of the Dragon -- which struck
friends who had to deal with the Y2K calendrical problem as amusingly
appropriate.  I've folded a couple of Tom Stamm's dragon, and hope to fold a
few more dragons before then.

So I'd better end my calendar musing, and move along!

Good weather and happy folding,
Anna





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 12:49
Subject: Re: Thoki in trunks

On 01-Feb-00, Nick Robinson (nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU> sez

>>You were a deus ex machina clad only in swim trunks
>You do realise Thok will believe this sort of thing - he was partially
>struck by lightning in 1968 and has to be handled gently....

If that lightning made him what he is, I will sacrifice some origami
animals to Zeus ASAP :)

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 12:49
Subject: Re: Yen and bill folding

On 01-Feb-00, Papa Joe (papajoe@CHORUS.NET) wrote:

>The only money foreign folds that I know of are.....

.. snip ...

Finnish banknotes are nearly 2:1, so they are usable for many
models.  The smallest are worth 20 FIM, 3.33 USD, so I don't
fold them too often.  500 FIM makes a nice fox, tho...

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 13:52
Subject: www.britishorigami.org.uk

I'm happy to announce that the BOS site is now back on-line at the new
address,

www.britishorigami.org.uk

with a somewhat revamped look. There will still be warts in there &
links that don't work, since I haven't had time to finish the revamp,
but we felt it should be available sooner rather than later.

If you spot anything untoward (I know about the flapping bird link!)
please let me know.

The site also means you can now address general queries about the
society to:

admin@britishorigami.org.uk

Hope you like it!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 13:52
Subject: Year of the Dragon...

Anna Weathers wrote:
> In other calendrical news, Saturday is Chinese New Year -- a lunar calendar
> rather than a solar one.  Coming into the Year of the Dragon -- which struck
> friends who had to deal with the Y2K calendrical problem as amusingly
> appropriate.  I've folded a couple of Tom Stamm's dragon, and hope to fold a
> few more dragons before then.

Indeed. I've become particularly fond of HOYJO's Dragon, but Stamm's is very
good too.

Actually, since it is the Chinese New Year, we oughta being doing Eastern
Dragons, n'est-ce pas?

Calendrically today (Feb 2nd) is also the first date in the 2000s that is all
even:
        02/02/2000 or 2/2/2000

Wheee!

Of course, Neale's Dragon and its variations (Kirschenbaum's Rearing Dragon in
particular) are also good. Maekawa's Dragon is fun to fold, but I find the
body and leg detail "amounts" to be jarringly different than the detail amount
in the head and face. C'est la vie!

-Daddy-o "I've used all that I can remember of my French lessons" D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 14:02
Subject: NO: The last odd day (was Re: Year of the Dragon...)

At 13:51 00/02/02 -0500, D'gou wrote:
>Calendrically today (Feb 2nd) is also the first date in the 2000s that is all
>even:
>         02/02/2000 or 2/2/2000
>
>Wheee!

And the last odd day (all odd digits) was November 19, 1999 (1999/11/19).
The next odd day won't be until 3111/1/1 (or 3111/11/11, if you consider
January 1st to be 3111/01/01)!!!

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From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 17:08
Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil

Thankd for the help all, I had a question for Marc though. Have you actually
used this rollatac stuff? I found it in a store, but they say it wont stick
well to foil. Just wondering what your experience was with it. Thanks.

Jake

>From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:20:22 -0800
>
>At 01:01 AM 2/1/00 +0000, Jake Crowley wrote:
> >Hello all,  I have been making tissue-foil for a few years now, and am
> >trying to see if there any alternatives to using spray adhesive.
>
>While I still think spray adhesive is the best adhesive for the job,
>Rollotaque (sp?) makes a nice altenative. It is sold in some art supply
>stores. BTW, spray adhesive is basicaly "Scotch tape" in a can, so if you
>have a way of getting around the fumes, it is not all that bad.
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com

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From: Jason Challenger <Aspersions@AOL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 17:37
Subject: Availability of Kawahata's English Origami Fantasy and other Japanese

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Origami Fantasy (in English) by
Fumiaki Kawahata,  or any books by Jun Maekawa?  I've already searched
amazon, borders, barnes&noble, and sasuga books, but have only been able to
find an expensive Japanese Origami Fantasy.  I've seen a picture of this book
with an English cover on the internet before.  Any help?

Jason Challenger
aspersions@aol.com





From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 17:41
Subject: Rollataq

I'm not Marc, but I used Rollataq for several years for all sorts of paper
work and it is wonderful.  It puts down tiny dots of adhesive like a
silkscreen so there's no goo and it's so "dry" there's no warpage.
So why did I quit it?  If you don't use it almost every day the adhesive
dries in the tiny holes (like a shaving screen) in the applicator and it has
to be disassembled and cleaned under hot water.
ALSO the adhesive dries up in the reservior if you don't use it often before
it has a chance to dry out.
So I would say, if you do a LOT of regular glueing, there's nothing better,
but if it's sporadic you will be disappointed.
IM
---------------------
Thankd for the help all, I had a question for Marc though. Have you actually
used this rollatac stuff? I found it in a store, but they say it wont stick
well to foil. Just wondering what your experience was with it. Thanks.

Jake

>From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:20:22 -0800
>
>At 01:01 AM 2/1/00 +0000, Jake Crowley wrote:
> >Hello all,  I have been making tissue-foil for a few years now, and am
> >trying to see if there any alternatives to using spray adhesive.
>
>While I still think spray adhesive is the best adhesive for the job,
>Rollotaque (sp?) makes a nice altenative. It is sold in some art supply
>stores. BTW, spray adhesive is basicaly "Scotch tape" in a can, so if you
>have a way of getting around the fumes, it is not all that bad.
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com

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From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 17:43
Subject: NA NO  Paul Jackson video

Does anyone have the exact title for the Paul Jackson video?  Thanks.
IM
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 17:53
Subject: Re: Availability of Kawahata's English Origami Fantasy and other

At 17:25 00/02/02 -0500, Jason Challenger wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Origami Fantasy (in English) by
>Fumiaki Kawahata,  or any books by Jun Maekawa?  I've already searched
>amazon, borders, barnes&noble, and sasuga books, but have only been able to
>find an expensive Japanese Origami Fantasy.  I've seen a picture of this book
>with an English cover on the internet before.  Any help?

The English cover is just the other side of the Japanese book. There are no
English editions of these books.

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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 18:06
Subject: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?

Mathieu Ciarlet wrote:
> I need some information : I've come along a bugatti model designed by Max
> Hulm and I wondered wether it is diagrammed in a book, and thus which one ?

It is found in "The Complete Origami Course" by Paul Jackson.
ISBN 0-8317-2792-6

I think it may be out of print.  Sorry.

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 20:19
Subject: Re: NO-Groundhog Day

For the curious.  General Beauregard Lee, Atlanta's resident ground hog weather
prognosticator did not see his shadow this morning.  Hooray!  I've had enough of
winter this year.  It's no fun not having electricity or a phone for almost 48
hours when it's in the mid 20's (Fahrenheit) overnight.  General Lee I might add
has only been wrong once in 10 years.

Punxatawney Phil, however, did see his shadow.  In 113 years he has seen it
about 90% of the time.  I feel sorry for those northerners!

Martha Winslow-Cole





From: William Nelson <wilnel@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 20:43
Subject: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?

The Bugatti diagrams may also be found in BOS Booklet 15. Don't know whether
it still is in print.
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Bailey" <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?

> Mathieu Ciarlet wrote:
> > I need some information : I've come along a bugatti model designed by
Max
> > Hulm and I wondered wether it is diagrammed in a book, and thus which
one ?
>
> It is found in "The Complete Origami Course" by Paul Jackson.
> ISBN 0-8317-2792-6
>
> I think it may be out of print.  Sorry.
>
> Perry
> --
> "Hope is a little thing
> with feathers
> perched in the soul all day,
> it does it's little business
> and then it flies away!"
>
> Victor Buono from "It could be verse"
>
> http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
> Icq 23622644





From: William Nelson <wilnel@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 20:49
Subject: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Nelson" <wilnel@attglobal.net>
To: "Origami List" <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?

> The Bugatti diagrams may also be found in BOS Booklet 15. Don't know
whether
> it still is in print.
> William
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Perry Bailey" <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
> To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Hello and Bugatti model ?
>
>
> > Mathieu Ciarlet wrote:
> > > I need some information : I've come along a bugatti model designed by
> Max
> > > Hulm and I wondered wether it is diagrammed in a book, and thus which
> one ?
> >
> > It is found in "The Complete Origami Course" by Paul Jackson.
> > ISBN 0-8317-2792-6
> >
> > I think it may be out of print.  Sorry.
> >
> > Perry
> > --
> > "Hope is a little thing
> > with feathers
> > perched in the soul all day,
> > it does it's little business
> > and then it flies away!"
> >
> > Victor Buono from "It could be verse"
> >
> > http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
> > Icq 23622644





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 21:02
Subject: Re: Giant models

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:00:22 -0500, Automatic digest processor wrote:

> Whee!  Is there an origami catamaran around anywhere?  I was thinking
> about it the other night, but no ideas sprung to mind.

I don't know about catamarans, but last Halloween I took some really BIG
pieces of paper (from a CAD plotter printer at work) some of them about
five feet square, and made Halloween type origamis to hang up around the
house.  I did ghosts, a skull, a Halloween cat, and a Samurai (I just
wanted to do a giant Samurai, OK?<G>)  They turned out well and it was a
lot of fun laying out the paper on the floor and making HUGE bird bases
etc.  I should have taken some photos.  Next year I will.

--
kettir at  | Garland of green flowers (field of lime)
geocities  | surround a silver smoke tree (yours and mine)
dot com    | sweet marigold, not easy to find.





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 21:19
Subject: Re: Rollataq

THanks for the info, but my real question is, does it stick to foil? And
does it hurt tissue at all? Thanks again.

Jake

>From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Rollataq
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:39:57 CST
>
>I'm not Marc, but I used Rollataq for several years for all sorts of paper
>work and it is wonderful.  It puts down tiny dots of adhesive like a
>silkscreen so there's no goo and it's so "dry" there's no warpage.
>So why did I quit it?  If you don't use it almost every day the adhesive
>dries in the tiny holes (like a shaving screen) in the applicator and it
>has
>to be disassembled and cleaned under hot water.
>ALSO the adhesive dries up in the reservior if you don't use it often
>before
>it has a chance to dry out.
>So I would say, if you do a LOT of regular glueing, there's nothing better,
>but if it's sporadic you will be disappointed.
>IM
>---------------------
>Thankd for the help all, I had a question for Marc though. Have you
>actually
>used this rollatac stuff? I found it in a store, but they say it wont stick
>well to foil. Just wondering what your experience was with it. Thanks.
>
>Jake
>
>
>>From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
>>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil
>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:20:22 -0800
>>
>>At 01:01 AM 2/1/00 +0000, Jake Crowley wrote:
>> >Hello all,  I have been making tissue-foil for a few years now, and am
>> >trying to see if there any alternatives to using spray adhesive.
>>
>>While I still think spray adhesive is the best adhesive for the job,
>>Rollotaque (sp?) makes a nice altenative. It is sold in some art supply
>>stores. BTW, spray adhesive is basicaly "Scotch tape" in a can, so if you
>>have a way of getting around the fumes, it is not all that bad.
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com
>
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From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 22:25
Subject: Re: Rollataq

I use Rollataq a lot. It is not great for foil. It doesn't stick very
well, and it leaves ruts.
It does work fairly well on lightweight papers.
-Jane





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 22:27
Subject: Re: signing on to list

I have met someone who would like to sign on to the list but can't remember
how I did it.  Would someone remind me of the process?

Forgetfully yours,

Pat Ellis





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 22:38
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Message text written by Origami List
>I use Rollataq a lot. It is not great for foil.<

        What's the matter with you people?  Not liking spray mount because
it smells funny!  Well, I've been using it for years, and it hasn't done a
z=wh4 2-=a-9yt to my =3e94ha'/p0 0bhjdnbz !!!  So there!

        (The preceding has been a joke, close captioned for the Humor
Impaired.)

 _,_
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--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: dan newman <dnewman@CAPITAL.NET>
Date: 02 Feb 2000 23:22
Subject: montroll's brontosaurus

i have been working on montroll's brontosaurus from animal origami for
the enthusiast for about 8 months now.  I can not figure out the tuck
inside on step 10.  Please help

thanx

dan





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 01:15
Subject: Re: Candlemas Day NO

In a message dated 2/2/00 2:13:29 AM, DLister891@AOL.COM writes:

<< Now if someone
had said that a groundhog was a kind of marmot, then I would have known
immediately that a furry, cuddly (?) little animal was meant. >>

I stuck my cat outside this morning for lack of a groundhog, and he
saw his shadow...I think.
Now, what does that mean. I kind of think a cat counts.
I'm hoping for six weeks of snow now in San Francisco.
I would add a smiley face...but the "colon/semi colon" key is broken on my
keyboard! I sent toooooo many smiles (semi-colon) it's broken now. X)!
That's all I can do. X)!
Kelly





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 04:23
Subject: NO: New address

For those of you who are interested, my email address has changed slightly:-

a_findlay@creations.co.uk

rather than

a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@creations.co.uk)





From: John McKeever <John@IMRNI.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 05:11
Subject: New AEP web page

Miguel A. Martn Monje writes:
>I want to invitate to everybody to visit our new page www.publynet.com/aep
>This is the page of the Spanish Origami Society (AEP)

It's really worth taking a look at this page if you haven't already. There are
     some brilliant models in the photos section, including some sort of
     batwinged demon by a Spanish bloke I've never even heard of before. And
     the diagrams section is a real treas
Eric Joisel's Rat
2 Yodas (Kawahata's one plus a much simpler one)
Ronald Koh's T. Rex
Fernando Gilgado Gomez's Giger Alien
A devil mask
...plus loads more, all in PDF format.

P.S. I sent a message similar to this one yesterday, but I don't think it got
     through. Apologies if anyone receives both.





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 06:09
Subject: Re: montroll's brontosaurus

In steps 5 and 6 of the Brontosaurus you make a pocket, this is what you need
to tuck the flap into in step 10. Hope this helps.

Dave.





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 13:57
Subject: Re: Yen and bill folding

PapaJoe,
At 03.43 1/2/2000 -0800, you wrote:

>>snip<
>>If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific bill
>>diagrams
>>snip<
>
>The only money foreign folds that I know of are.....
>
>Canadian Dollar Plane
...............................

Luigi Leonardi, the noted Italian origamist, has published two books about
folding the Italian "1000 lire" bill (value, about half a dollar; size,
about 2:1).

Roberto





From: Erica Knopper <eak@IENG.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 16:11
Subject: Re: NO: The last odd day

>And the last odd day (all odd digits) was November 19, 1999 (1999/11/19).
>The next odd day won't be until 3111/1/1 (or 3111/11/11, if you consider
>January 1st to be 3111/01/01)!!!

I'll set my alarm ;-)

By the way, since I started this whole ground hog thing by asking for
a model, and the discussion has generated dozens of messages going
into the meaning of ground hog day, tongue twisters, and  calender
issues, it's fitting that we came around to noticing that the last
odd day was 11/19/99 since that's my husband's birthday! Ironically,
the discussion never did bring me to a model to fold.

Here's a different origami question: my kids like making the sonobe
modules, and we've made plenty of models with 12 units and 30 units.
The 12-unit pieces have four ridges coming to each intersection, and
the 30-unit pieces have 5 ridges to each intersection. My son started
making one with 6 ridges to each intersection and it appears to just
make a flat sheet of pyramids due to the geometry of triangles and
hexagons (6 equilateral triangles make a hexagon and they fit
together like chicken wire in a plane). Is this true? He really
wanted a giant sphere of some kind.

Thanks, Erica





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 16:15
Subject: Re: NO: The last odd day

>>And the last odd day (all odd digits) was November 19, 1999 (1999/11/19).
>>The next odd day won't be until 3111/1/1 (or 3111/11/11, if you consider
>>January 1st to be 3111/01/01)!!!

I forgot to add that before yesterday (2000/02/02), the last even day was
August 28th, 888 (888/8/28).

Ain't numerology fun?
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From: George Gonzalez <GGKNOWS@AOL.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 18:14
Subject: Re: montroll's brontosaurus

please take me off your e-mailing list





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 03 Feb 2000 18:59
Subject: Re: NO: The last odd day

  You are correct that hexagons will continue in a large sheet pattern.  If you
     want to make a larger ball, you could create a ball with both 5 and 6
     ridges.  Have one 5-ridge be surrounded by five 6-ridges in a pattern
     similar to that of a soccer (footba

Stuart

Standard Time, Erica Knopper <eak@IENG.COM> writes:

> Here's a different origami question: my kids like making the sonobe
> modules, and we've made plenty of models with 12 units and 30 units.
> The 12-unit pieces have four ridges coming to each intersection, and
> the 30-unit pieces have 5 ridges to each intersection. My son started
> making one with 6 ridges to each intersection and it appears to just
> make a flat sheet of pyramids due to the geometry of triangles and
> hexagons (6 equilateral triangles make a hexagon and they fit
> together like chicken wire in a plane). Is this true? He really
> wanted a giant sphere of some kind.
>
> Thanks, Erica





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 19:29
Subject: A Valentine idea

I've never designed anything, here's a modification that pleased me: I
added hearts to the pentagonal dish or vase on p. 80 of Origami Omnibus.
After step 5, you reverse the points you just folded outward--along the
same crease--making the sides of those points underlap (is underlap a
word?) the sides of the longer points. Then you form the upper part of the
hearts with small reverse folds. I used this in centerpieces for a luncheon
for the "Heart Company," a church children's department. Flower designs
were from E. Kenneway (8 petals) & P. Jackson (5 petals).
--Elise





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 19:40
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Thanks for the help guys, but you should know Mr Harris, that spray adhesive
is very dangerous stuff. I know you were joking, but still I'm not when i
say that is not good. It works great, and i love it too, but, if not used in
the proper conditions, it is very harmful. Read the cans, when they say that
the chemicals in them cause cancer, respiratory, and reproductive harm, I
dont like to mess with them. I havent found anything that works as well as
spray though, unfortunately. Theres my opinion :)

Jake

>From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Rollataq
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:36:03 -0500
>
>Message text written by Origami List
> >I use Rollataq a lot. It is not great for foil.<
>
>         What's the matter with you people?  Not liking spray mount because
>it smells funny!  Well, I've been using it for years, and it hasn't done a
>z=wh4 2-=a-9yt to my =3e94ha'/p0 0bhjdnbz !!!  So there!
>
>         (The preceding has been a joke, close captioned for the Humor
>Impaired.)
>
>                _,_
>           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
>--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
>           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
>__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________
>
>                     Jerry D. Harris
>                 Fossil Preparation Lab
>          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
>                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
>               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
>                 Phone:  (505) 841-2809
>                  Fax:  (505) 841-2808
>               LOKICORP@compuserve.com

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From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 21:38
Subject: Re: Rollataq

>Thanks for the help guys, but you should know Mr Harris, that spray adhesive
>is very dangerous stuff. I know you were joking, but still I'm not when i
>say that is not good. It works great, and i love it too, but, if not used in
>the proper conditions, it is very harmful.

That's what I feel about hairspray, bleach, turpentine, Scotchgard,
ammonia, and oven cleaner.  If you can find workable alternatives, more
power to you!

Rob





From: Erica Knopper <eak@IENG.COM>
Date: 03 Feb 2000 22:09
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Jake is right to be fearful of solvent borne substances. They cause a
lot more damage even than what he indicated, including nervous system
damage, and short term effects such as nausea, headaches, etc. This
last summer I was staining my deck and using a solvent borne stain. I
inhaled too much of it on a day that wasn't breezy enough, and even
though I was outside I became ill from it, and didn't feel well for
the next 24+ hours. The next day when my kids were wondering why I
was lying on the couch, my husband jokingly said that "Mom's been
huffing". I now jokingly say that I extended the life of my deck but
shortened my own. Who knows, but I'll be far more careful next time.

Erica

>Thanks for the help guys, but you should know Mr Harris, that spray adhesive
>is very dangerous stuff. I know you were joking, but still I'm not when i
>say that is not good. It works great, and i love it too, but, if not used in
>the proper conditions, it is very harmful. Read the cans, when they say that
>the chemicals in them cause cancer, respiratory, and reproductive harm, I
>dont like to mess with them. I havent found anything that works as well as
>spray though, unfortunately. Theres my opinion :)
>
>Jake





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 03 Feb 2000 22:26
Subject: Re: Sonobe modules (was Re: NO: The last odd day)

In a message dated 2/3/2000 4:12:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, eak@IENG.COM
writes:

> Here's a different origami question: my kids like making the sonobe
>  modules, and we've made plenty of models with 12 units and 30 units.
>  The 12-unit pieces have four ridges coming to each intersection, and
>  the 30-unit pieces have 5 ridges to each intersection. My son started
>  making one with 6 ridges to each intersection and it appears to just
>  make a flat sheet of pyramids due to the geometry of triangles and
>  hexagons (6 equilateral triangles make a hexagon and they fit
>  together like chicken wire in a plane). Is this true? He really
>  wanted a giant sphere of some kind.

Yes, that's true. To close the surface, you'll need to
modify it a little. If you strategically replace hexagons
with pentagons, so the pentagons are each
surrounded by hexagons, and the hexagons each
border on three pentagons, you'll find that 12
pentagons and 20 hexagons form a closed
surface, like a soccerball.

I've read that there is a more general result that
says something like you can do this with more
hexagons, but you'll only ever need 12 pentagons
to force the closure.

You might want to look up the geometry of
Buckyballs (also known as Buckminsterfullerenes),
Buckytubes, etc.

The Sonobe modules, because they join to make
equilateral triangle shapes, can be used to make
most of the deltahedra. Since they also form square,
pentagonal, and hexagonal shapes, they can be
used to model all the regular polyhedra, and most
of the Archimedean and semiregular polyhedra,
at least I think that's the way I remember it. Look for
the book "Mathematical Models" by Cundy and Rollett,
for more details.

Aloha,

Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 04 Feb 2000 00:57
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Message text written by Origami List
>Thanks for the help guys, but you should know Mr Harris, that spray
adhesive
is very dangerous stuff. I know you were joking, but still I'm not when i
say that is not good. It works great, and i love it too, but, if not used
in
the proper conditions, it is very harmful. Read the cans, when they say
that
the chemicals in them cause cancer, respiratory, and reproductive harm, I
dont like to mess with them. I havent found anything that works as well as
spray though, unfortunately. Theres my opinion :)<

        Well, I work with plenty of toxic, noxious chemicals frequently in
my job (and no, I don't take all the precautions I _should_), but when one
is worried about chemical fumes (and sometimes, in my job, they simply
cannot be avoided), the best bet is to get an OSHA/HEPA rated respirator
with HEPA filter cartridges rated for organic fumes.  They're not the
world's most comfortable things, but they will block out all the vapors.
Even then, the spray should be used in a well-ventilated area (outdoors,
preferably).

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
 LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 04 Feb 2000 03:55
Subject: Re: NO: The last odd day

---- snip ----
> Here's a different origami question: my kids like making the sonobe
> modules, and we've made plenty of models with 12 units and 30 units.
> The 12-unit pieces have four ridges coming to each intersection, and
> the 30-unit pieces have 5 ridges to each intersection. My son started
> making one with 6 ridges to each intersection and it appears to just
> make a flat sheet of pyramids due to the geometry of triangles and
> hexagons (6 equilateral triangles make a hexagon and they fit
> together like chicken wire in a plane). Is this true? He really
> wanted a giant sphere of some kind.
>
> Thanks, Erica
>

Erica

Your son is right - the six-module one is flat, since the combined angles at
the middle (6*60)
= 360 degrees.

You can combine the six-sided and five-sided ones to create a sphere-like
object which has
a real fancy name that I can't remember. If memory serves, you attach a
five-sider to each edge
of a six-sider, and then extrapolate the pattern. I made one of these last
year and it took
nearly 300 units, about a week, and some seriously bad language to complete
! And this guy is
BIG !!! 2 inch squares to start gave a model over 2 feet in diameter.

If you can get hold of it check out Origami for the Connoisseur, which has a
good section on
modular stuff.

Mark





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 04 Feb 2000 04:08
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Hairspray, bleach, turpentine, Scotchgard, ammonia, and oven cleaner must
belong
to the Dark Side of Origami, IMHO. You are taking a gentle Oriental pastime
far
too seriously if you employ these substances.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Moes <mailto:robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Rollataq

> >Thanks for the help guys, but you should know Mr Harris, that spray
adhesive
> >is very dangerous stuff. I know you were joking, but still I'm not when i
> >say that is not good. It works great, and i love it too, but, if not used
in
> >the proper conditions, it is very harmful.
>
> That's what I feel about hairspray, bleach, turpentine, Scotchgard,
> ammonia, and oven cleaner.  If you can find workable alternatives, more
> power to you!
>
> Rob





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: 04 Feb 2000 04:14
Subject: Re: NO: The last odd day

> If you can get hold of it check out Origami for the Connoisseur, which has a
> good section on modular stuff.

That shows a pattern for a sphere of 900 units.
My son and me have done that once. We started with 7.5 cm (3 inch)
sheets and the sphere has a diameter of 50 cm (20 inch).

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 04 Feb 2000 10:21
Subject: Re: Sonobe and Buckyballs

Hey all!  Erica asks,

>>>
My son started
making one with 6 ridges to each intersection and it appears to just
make a flat sheet of pyramids due to the geometry of triangles and
hexagons (6 equilateral triangles make a hexagon and they fit
together like chicken wire in a plane). Is this true? He really
wanted a giant sphere of some kind.
<<<

It's funny that you ask this now, because I've just added information
on this kind of thing to my web page on the "Combinatorial Geometry"
(i.e., origami-math) course I'm offering at Merrimack College this
semester.  Check it out:

http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/bucky/buckynotes.html

On these pages I describe how you can make larger "spheres" using
my PHiZZ unit, which is identical, structurally, to the Sonobe unit.
(I mean that you can apply the same principles to make Sonobe unit
"spheres".)

Note:  Merrimack College does not have full-time web support,
so please be patient if these pages are slow or behaving badly.

And of course, comments and criticisms are welcome!

----- Tom "nuttin better ta do" Hull
      thull@merrimack.edu
