




From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 23:09
Subject: Re: Yen and bill folding

I made  a US-Japan currency exchange by turning a US dollar bill into Yen
symbol. Is this yen folding?
As for money folding I highly doubt Japanese would like to fold Japanese
money.  Our Japanese friends may clarify this.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Will and Dawn Krebs <krebs@SUNLINE.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:09:22 -0500
Subject: Yen and bill folding

>        I recently had the good fortune of finding 15,000 yen in some boxes
of
>my brother-in-laws old navy stuff.  After confirming he did not want it,
>I tried to exchange it for US dollars, but none of the banks in my area
>will exchange yen.  Additionally, the bills I have appear to be
>different from the currently circulated yen (according to several
>websites showing pictures Bank of Japan issued yen) so I presume they
>are of older issue.  Does anyone know if these are still worth anything,
>and if they are does anyone have any ideas how I can spend my good
>fortune (hopefully on origami)?
>
>        If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific
bill
>diagrams (I have both 1,000 yen notes (16.2cm X 7.5cm, 6 3/8" X 3") and
>5,000 yen notes (16.8cm X 8 cm, 6 5/8" X 3 3/16")?  Along these lines a
>new thread I'd like to see is how prominant is money folding in other
>countries outside the U.S.
>
>                                        Yet another lurker stepping out of
the shadows,
>                                        Will Krebs
>                                        krebs@sunline.net





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:05
Subject: Re: Tongue Twisters (NO)

Actually, the full tongue twister is:

"The sixth sick sheik's, sixth sheep's sick."

 - Ron

Jerry Harris wrote:
I recall hearing that, empirically (though by what statistics, I don't
know), the hardest English-language tongue twister is:

The sixth sheik's sixth sheep's sick.





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:18
Subject: Re: NO:ground hog day

>  I had always heard it as:
>  If a woodchuck could chuck wood how much wood would a woodchuck chuck?
>
>  If a woodchuck could chuck wood, a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a
>  woodchuck could chuck.

Id always thought the response was:

If a woodchuck could * AND WOULD* chuck wood, a woodchuck would chuck as much
wood as a woodchuck could chuck.

However if anyone has monkey Island 2 we can soon find out :) )

Dave





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:24
Subject: Origami Sightings

This weeks new scientist has quite a lot of origami birds, 2 on the front
cover and about six inside. Its an article on pigment in birds and how it
effects their immune system and mating habits.

Dave.





From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@EIEE.UNIVALLE.EDU.CO>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:47
Subject: New links in my web page

Hello folders.
For those who are interesed in origami in spanish language, I have been
found more web pages in that language. If you are interesed, the URL is
http://eiee.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago/origami.html to the item "PGINAS DE
ORIGAMI EN ESPAOL", there are almost 150 pages with information in
spanish from 20 countries, some of them where spanish is not its native
language.
The information on those pages is most text than diagrams, but most of
them have it. The list updated today january 31st is:

Country       Number of pages
Argentina           17
Australia            1
Colombia             9
Costa Rica           2
Cuba                 1
Chile                5
Ecuador              1
Spain               62
USA                  2
England              1
Japan                2
Mexico              26
Nicaragua            1
Panama               1
Peru                 4
Puerto Rico          1
Dominican Republic   1
Switzerland          1
Turkey               1
Venezuela           10
Undentified country 10

If you know about a page in spanish or your page has a section in spanish,
please send me the information to add a link on my page.

Good luck,
Jose Tomas Buitrago

     Jos Tomas Buitrago Molina M.Sc.
     buitrago@eiee.univalle.edu.co
     http://eiee.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago

     "Origami y Robtica"





From: Lumetronics <anool@BOM3.VSNL.NET.IN>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 09:16
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Hello All,

I just joined the list today, and was amused and thrilled to read the long
thread about Skillman's Jackstone. It certainly is one of my favorites.

I was about 14 old when I first cracked the Jackstone from Harbins #2, and
as he rightly said, I deserved a medal. Unfortunately, after seeing the
model, someone borrowed my Harbin, and it's been missing ever since. It's
also apparently out of print and I guess impossible to find again here in
INDIA.

However, I didn't face much trouble in understanding the diagrams, and
managed to complete the Jackstone in a couple of tries.

This is one list that's hyperactive, and I hope to enjoy being around.

Best Regards,

Anool : anool@lumetron.com

LUMETRONICS
B44, Giriraj Estate, Mahakali Road, Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093, MH, INDIA
Ph.: + 91 22 8202170
Fax: + 91 22 8360730
Email: lumetron@vsnl.com
Website: http://www.lumetron.com





From: Robert Roos <rroos@ALLEG.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 09:20
Subject: Re: Origami Sightings

See http://www.newscientist.com/ for an image of the cover. (Couldn't
locate any other origami images on that Web site.)

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Dave Stephenson wrote:

> This weeks new scientist has quite a lot of origami birds, 2 on the front
> cover and about six inside. Its an article on pigment in birds and how it
> effects their immune system and mating habits.
>
> Dave.





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 09:22
Subject: Re: 'New Scientist' sighting

Dave Stephenson wrote:

> This weeks new scientist has quite a lot of origami birds, 2 on the
front
> cover and about six inside. Its an article on pigment in birds and
how it
> effects their immune system and mating habits.

The birds were commissioned from me.  Unfortunately, I don't like the
lurid style of presentation ("I've got a Photoshop effect and I'm
gonna use it"), the angle from which the birds were shot or the awful
flat lighting.  Oh well!

Paul Jackson





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:26
Subject: NO Tongue twister

c!! wrote:

>>>>>>
My favorite is; I'm a pheasant plucker and a pheasant plucker's son, and
I'll be plucking pleasant pheasants 'til the pheasant plucking's done
<<<<<<

    The version I know is:

            I am not the fig plucker nor the fig plucker's son, and
            I won't pluck figs 'til the fig plucker comes.

This was learned at my father's knee, or some other low joint. Another
toughie is:

            You know New York, you need New York, you
            know you need unique New York.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:37
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

The Great and Glorious Thoki Yenn wrote:

>>>>>>>>
Many years ago I got the ORIGAMIAN from Lillian Oppenheimer,
and in one of the early issues there were Photo Diagrams with verbal
instruction  for folding the Jackstone,
unfortunately I do not have the Origamian in my possession now.
I should have learned never to let people borrow my books. .
<<<<<<<<<

    I have a copy (NOT THOKI'S!!!) of that Origamian, in very fragile
condition. The diagrams were photographs with some details highlighted in a
primitive hand-inked sort of way. I would be happy to try and have it
scanned (with OUSA's permission, of course!) if it would be of assistance to
someone trying to re-diagram, but I'm not sure how helpful it would be, as
the photo-diagrams are nearly impossible to decipher. There is a lengthy
written explanation of the folding sequence, as well, which is probably of
greater use than the illustrations.
    I have not tried to fold it myself, but I may give it a shot to see if
the instructions are worth copying.

    Further reports as events warrant, as Calvin would say.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:37
Subject: (NO) No To Ground hog recipe

WC proclaims:

>As I have always said, there are two types of people in this world, the
>humane and the human.

There are two types of people in the world: people who believe there are two
types of people in the world, and people who don't.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:37
Subject: Re: (NO) Ground hog recipe

In a message dated 1/28/100 11:49:05 PM EST, arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU writes:

<< GROUNDHOG IN CREAM

 Parboil meat until it slips from bones.  Remove it and cut it into small
 pieces. >>
                    alternatively in the hillbilly style, possum or raccoon
meat found by the roadside will often slip off the bones without parboiling.
(it's much easiier to bait these animals out into traffic given their
irresistable affinity for peanut butter)
                                       RPLSMN .. stump jumper





From: Daniel Philip Scher <dps207@IS8.NYU.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:47
Subject: models in annual collection

Hi everyone,

I think Marc's e-mail addressed this topic nicely, but I'd like to add one
more point. The Annual Collection you receive each June looks like a
professional product. That's not by accident, nor does it happen
automatically. While some the diagrams we receive are beautifully drawn,
labeled, and ready to go, others are not nearly so complete. Many of our
submissions are great, but need such extra help as: rediagramming, new
layouts, new text. All of this takes a good deal of time. Marc, for
instance, just spent the last several weeks literally redesigning (and then
redrawing) part of a model that was submitted to us. You'll never get to
see the before and after effect, but it's quite significant. There are many
models you'll see in the Annual Collection that you won't find in other
publications because of that extra effort.

We do have a lot of models for this year, but certainly still welcome (as
Marc said) new contributions (especially, at this late stage, those that
don't require significant reworking)

 -daniel





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:44
Subject: Large Paper (was Re: Large Transparency Film)

At 14:57 00/01/29 -0500, Kelly Dunn wrote:
>Hope this helps. Also, giant rolls of backdrop paper, thick, in different
>colors
>and patterns. Maybe, if someone is inspired to make a giant model...I think it
>would hold and be sturdy.

I just finished an installation that featured display stands (plinths)
folded from backdrop paper. I also did my tortoise with the same paper.
Basically, backdrop paper is  very much like one-ply Bristol. It has a nice
surface, but tends to crack a little along crease lines. It was a little
flimsier than I would have liked: the locks on the plinths had to be
reinforced with staples, for example.

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From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:44
Subject: the Jackstone

Ah ---

I literally tried, off and on, for 15 years to figure that model out.
Then, I found an address in John Montroll's "Enthusiast" book for OUSA
(then FOCA) and wrote to them PLEADING for help.

They sent me a very fragile copy of The Origamian which had pictures and
written words ... I still couldn't get it.

My husband came home that day and found me stomping around the apartment
kicking wads of paper into the walls. "Let me try," he said. "Sure, go
ahead...," I reply while thinking "Oh yeah, I teach you how to fold a
crane and now you think you can do the Jackstone - HAH"

15 minutes later, he holds up a model and says, "Is this what it is
supposed to look like?"

After I quit screaming (well, in my head anyway) I pasted a sick grin on
my face and told him that if he wanted dinner, or anything else that
night, he was going to have to show me how the ^*#@#&@^#&^#%$% he did
that. He showed me and I have kept the model memorized since then.

There is just that ONE step that is the killer. If someone could figure
out how to diagram that.... I haven't figured it out though, and really
since I know how to do it, the diagrams makes sense. Bob, my husband,
got it from the verbage in the Origamian rather than the pictures...
that is something I have never been good at. I am more visually
oriented.

By the way, this model is also in a book by Robert Harbin called "New
Adventures in Origami." (Is that a reprint of "Origami 2" if it is, I'll
quit looking for 2 at all the used book places I haunt)

Dee





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:54
Subject: Re: NO:ground hog day

At 11:58 00/01/30 -0800, Gillian Wiseman wrote:
>I had always heard it as:
>If a woodchuck could chuck wood how much wood would a woodchuck chuck?
>
>If a woodchuck could chuck wood, a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a
>woodchuck could chuck.

And the answer I heard (paired with the original version of the question) was:

The wood that a woodchuck would chuck is the wood that a woodchuck could
chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

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From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:15
Subject: Giant models (was Re: Large paper)

In a message dated 1/31/00 9:44:36 AM, josephwu@ULTRANET.CA writes:

<< It was a little
flimsier than I would have liked: the locks on the plinths had to be
reinforced with staples, for example. >>

It's neat to hear about how it folds! I keep wondering.
I'm around a lot of it, am going to try it
too. Now, I'll make sure to have a stapler with me. :)!
I'm wondering how BIG was
the tortoise in the end because I'm thinking of the paper that is wall size,
thick, sometimes with coatings.
I'm hoping that the kind with the water proof coating won't crack, and then
it's water proof. :) It's seems like a wall size piece would make at least a
three foot model. Does anyone know exactly how big of a piece to get for
approx. three foot models?

Kelly





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:27
Subject: Re: Giant models (was Re: Large paper)

At 13:13 00/01/31 -0500, Kelly Dunn wrote:
>It's neat to hear about how it folds! I keep wondering.
>I'm around a lot of it, am going to try it
>too. Now, I'll make sure to have a stapler with me. :)!
>I'm wondering how BIG was
>the tortoise in the end because I'm thinking of the paper that is wall size,
>thick, sometimes with coatings.
>I'm hoping that the kind with the water proof coating won't crack, and then
>it's water proof. :) It's seems like a wall size piece would make at least a
>three foot model. Does anyone know exactly how big of a piece to get for
>approx. three foot models?

The answer, of course, is that it depends on the model. Here's where all
that high school math comes in handy. Figure out the ratio of model size to
paper size for a smaller model, and then you can figure out the size you
need for the model you are considering.

The tortoise ended up being about 4.5 feet long. The original paper was 9
feet by 9 feet. I did not consider a coating, since I had no place to coat
it, but I'm not sure that a spray on coating would make much of a difference
on the brittleness of the paper.

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From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:51
Subject: Origami Challenge

  Has anyone ever fabricated an origami
kalidiscope? This is an idea I've been
kicking around for some time and thought
I'd throw it out to the list to see if anyone
had tried anything similar, or had any
ideas.

               Marion





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:56
Subject: Re: Origami Challenge

At 13:50 00/01/31 -0500, Marion Riley wrote:
>   Has anyone ever fabricated an origami
>kalidiscope? This is an idea I've been
>kicking around for some time and thought
>I'd throw it out to the list to see if anyone
>had tried anything similar, or had any
>ideas.

 From OUSA's model search:

Kaleidoscope by Didy Lavaux (Simple, uses waterbomb base)
OUSA Annual Collection 1993 by Kirschenbaum page 126
Paper used is sq Modular
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From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:57
Subject: Re: Giant models

In a message dated 1/31/00 10:28:17 AM, josephwu@ULTRANET.CA writes:

<< Figure out the ratio of model size to
paper size for a smaller model, and then you can figure out the size you
need for the model you are considering. >>

Hey, that's brilliant!! So, what ever a six inch square becomes in size
-change
it to feet.
The paper I'm thinking of comes coated. You can barely tell since it's doesn't
shine, but it can be washed. It's flexible and bends well, but still I bet
cracks.
I'll test it and get the name of the paper if it doesn't.
Also, thinking that maybe if the paper is put in a pool first and wet folded
maybe it won't crack. Has anyone tried huge pool folding????

Hope summer gets here soon. :) I did fill my apartment pool with foil boats
last summer, and ALL the neighbors came out and laughed, and had fun
watching them sail. It was worth it! I highly recommend stocking up on foil
boats for the summer and making a fleet. I made the kind with the sails so on
a windy day they blow in circles and crash into each other, some sink.
Kelly





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 14:09
Subject: Re: Origami Challenge

In a message dated 1/31/00 10:51:56 AM, marion-r@WEBTV.NET writes:

<< kalidiscope? >>

I haven't made an origami one, but like the book,
"Simple Kaleidoscopes" by Gary Newlin. It explains how to make
them out of paper tubing and reflective foil. It's a neat idea to
make an origami one. Just rolling reflective foil and looking through
it basically is a kaleidoscope. The image reflects into the chamber.

Kelly





From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 15:15
Subject: Re: Giant models

Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM> writes:

> Hope summer gets here soon. :) I did fill my apartment pool with foil boats
> last summer, and ALL the neighbors came out and laughed, and had fun
> watching them sail. It was worth it! I highly recommend stocking up on foil
> boats for the summer and making a fleet. I made the kind with the sails so on
> a windy day they blow in circles and crash into each other, some sink.

Whee!  Is there an origami catamaran around anywhere?  I was thinking
about it the other night, but no ideas sprung to mind.

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
Smear the road with a runner!!





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 15:46
Subject: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Here's a question for you wet-folding mavens...Anybody who has tried
wetfolding knows that if you take a square of paper and wet it, it expands
unevenly so it is no longer square. The question is, "Is it better to cut a
square and wet it or to first wet a square and then cut it?" As a followup,
if you have a complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
the precreases?"

Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
Galveston, TX  77555

e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 15:56
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

At 14:33 00/01/31 -0600, Levy, Ronald S. wrote:
>Here's a question for you wet-folding mavens...Anybody who has tried
>wetfolding knows that if you take a square of paper and wet it, it expands
>unevenly so it is no longer square. The question is, "Is it better to cut a
>square and wet it or to first wet a square and then cut it?"

Depends who you ask. I prefer wetting then cutting, but others prefer
cutting then wetting. The best answer would be for you to try it both ways
and decide which you like better. 8)

>As a followup,
>if you have a complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
>precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
>the precreases?"

Most of the time, wet it first. The point of wetfolding is to be able to
make the paper more supple so that it can be shaped. After it dries again,
it stays in that shape. Creasing dry paper breaks the fibres along the
crease, weakening it. To subsequently wet that area would further weaken the
paper along the crease. Creasing wet paper breaks fewer fibres, since they
can bend and slide along each other. As I pointed out recently, however,
box-pleated models (as well as other models that involve a lot of
precreasing), might be better executed with dry precreasing and then wetting
specific parts for shaping near the end of the folding sequence.

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From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:09
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Ronald Levy writes:
"if you take a square of paper and wet it, it expands
unevenly so it is no longer square. The question is, "Is it better to cut a
square and wet it or to first wet a square and then cut it?" As a followup,
if you have a complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
the precreases?""

I seem to remember that this topic got discussed on the list two or three
months ago, so the answers are probably in the origami archives...

Happy folding,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:26
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 30 Jan 2000 to 31 Jan 2000 (#2000-31)

Can anyone tell me what would be involved copyright-wise in re-doing and
re-presenting the Origamian in an online form?  The classic issues should not
be lost-- there are many fine articles and diagrams to be had!

Rob





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:26
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 30 Jan 2000 to 31 Jan 2000 (#2000-31)

deg Farrelly invented an "optiscope" which is similar to a kaleidoscope,
though I won't attempt to describe the nuances here.  It is a very nice
model; not sure if it's published or not?

Rob





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:30
Subject: Re: Giant models

> Whee!  Is there an origami catamaran around anywhere?  I was thinking
> about it the other night, but no ideas sprung to mind.

Have a look in the archives at:

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models/boats/catamar/index.htm

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:53
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

Yes -- but many of these appear to be 'filler'. Not every diagram submitted
deserves to be published. Sometimes they are just as their title says --
'doodles'.
~J

>From: Daniel Philip Scher <dps207@IS8.NYU.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: models in annual collection
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:47:30 -0500
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I think Marc's e-mail addressed this topic nicely, but I'd like to add one
>more point. The Annual Collection you receive each June looks like a
>professional product. That's not by accident, nor does it happen
>automatically. While some the diagrams we receive are beautifully drawn,
>labeled, and ready to go, others are not nearly so complete. Many of our
>submissions are great, but need such extra help as: rediagramming, new
>layouts, new text. All of this takes a good deal of time. Marc, for
>instance, just spent the last several weeks literally redesigning (and then
>redrawing) part of a model that was submitted to us. You'll never get to
>see the before and after effect, but it's quite significant. There are many
>models you'll see in the Annual Collection that you won't find in other
>publications because of that extra effort.
>
>We do have a lot of models for this year, but certainly still welcome (as
>Marc said) new contributions (especially, at this late stage, those that
>don't require significant reworking)
>
>  -daniel

______________________________________________________
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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 17:05
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

"JacAlArt ." wrote:
>
> Yes -- but many of these appear to be 'filler'. Not every diagram submitted
> deserves to be published. Sometimes they are just as their title says --
> 'doodles'.
This is true, but it is also true that some "doodles" make damn
fine folding!!

Perry

--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 17:38
Subject: NO tongue twister, or cheering up the passengers

>Date:    Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:05:07 EST
>From:    Dribalz@AOL.COM
>Subject: NO tongue twister

>How much wood would a woodchuck chuck
>if a woodchuck would chuck wood?

On a long car ride when our kids were in grade school, we started singing
the woodchuck tongue twister (made up a tune). And then got more
ambitious--added other tonguetwisters and tried doing them as a round. See
how long you can keep it up before collapsing in laughter.

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. If Peter Piper picked a peck
of pickled peppers, how many peppers did Peter Piper pick?

How much sump can a sump-pump pump if sump-pump can pump sump?

Rubber baby-buggy bumpers.

Karen





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 18:07
Subject: Site/Sight

Dear Thoki Yenn,

I recently navigated around your web site, and found it the
most delightful I have seen in a long time! I laughed, I cried, I swooned!

Whilst plying these storied shoals and winding waters, I came upon a
pictured pond where you stood, thigh deep, like King Neptune, with a raft in tow
bearing puppets.

You were a deus ex machina clad only in swim trunks. When the gods
show their nakedness before the mere and mortal, we are afforded a rare
and great honor! You are touched more than most with the devine, and we
see here The Word made Flesh. Holy the Flesh! Hosannas and ten thousand
thanks for your candor and beauty in this, for your sense of humor, for
your bracing humanity, and for all your other, deeply checkered
manifestations!

You are a living global treasure: Thy Kingdom come!

Ron Arruda, not worthy, but pointing to:  http://www.thok.dk/





From: Dr Paul Slater <Paul@WASHI.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 18:09
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

On a personal note, I enjoy wet-folding pleats and abstract models from
heavy wieght paper. Therefore, I try to follow wherever the damp paper
leads me. The expanding and final shrinking of the paper is what gives
the final piece it particular, "feel".

I've never tried the wet-folding technique on a model which requires
complex pre-creasing, probably due to my mis-assumption that a thin
paper is best for complex models. But I'm always willing to try
something new! (Wet folding Max Hulme's Spider comes to mind!)

With best wishes,

Paul.

Levy, Ronald S. <rslevy@UTMB.EDU> writes
>Here's a question for you wet-folding mavens...Anybody who has tried
>wetfolding knows that if you take a square of paper and wet it, it expands
>unevenly so it is no longer square. The question is, "Is it better to cut a
>square and wet it or to first wet a square and then cut it?" As a followup,
>if you have a complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
>precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
>the precreases?"
>
>Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
>Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology
>University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
>Galveston, TX  77555
>
>e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 18:56
Subject: Re: Large Paper (was Re: Large Transparency Film)

> Basically, backdrop paper is  very much like one-ply Bristol. It has a
nice
> surface, but tends to crack a little along crease lines

Cracking is more prevalent in the plated backdrop colors, such as
super-white. The unplated rolls do very well. I've done more 9'x18' Hulme
jack-in-the-boxes than I care to count, and for the plated rolls, I often
had to reinforce the underside. Check what kind ou're using. If it's like
Bristol board, you've got the wrong type or the wrong brand. All the best -
c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 18:56
Subject: Re: NO: Woodchuck Tongue twister

The best tongue twister of all time must be the Dr Seuss book Fox in Socks.
The whole book was a sort of tongue twister, gradually getting more complex
(fox in socks, fox in sock on box....) and the pictures are splendid.

Never too old
Robin Glynn.





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:00
Subject: Re: Large Paper

At 15:51 00/01/31 -0800, Christopher Holt wrote:
>Cracking is more prevalent in the plated backdrop colors, such as
>super-white. The unplated rolls do very well. I've done more 9'x18' Hulme
>jack-in-the-boxes than I care to count, and for the plated rolls, I often
>had to reinforce the underside. Check what kind ou're using. If it's like
>Bristol board, you've got the wrong type or the wrong brand. All the best -

Well, that's what was available here in Vancouver. Different suppliers, most
likely.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: NO tongue twister

>I don't know, but...
>
>Can you imagine an imaginary menagerie owner managing an imaginary
>menagerie?
>
>
>Andrew

What was that Billie Connoly one?

Ah'm not a Pheasant plucker,
Ah'm a pheasant pluckers son,
and Ah'm only plucking pheasants
while the pheasant pluckers gone...

...an' ah've been drinkin'

Enjoy, but don't try it around priests or young children.

Yours bringing down the tone of this mailing list,

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:25
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Professor Levy,

Just a quick comment about folding and anaesthesia/anesthesiology. Here in
the UK, Anaesthetists during theatre are well known for doing the crosswords
in the paper during routine operations, and I've met a couple who knit, but
none who folds. (It might seem grim, but to the non medics, for every
consultant anaesthetist knitting, there is usually a trainee of some sort
looking at a maching with lots of dials.)

As for wetfolding, if the paper distorts, you are either using too thin
paper or too much water. I find that an occasional spray with a plant mister
(not too close) is just enough. Another technique, for which disposable
gloves come in handy, is to paint one side with ink, and fold just before
the model is dry. This gives the bonus of wetfolding, two tone, and a slight
mottled effect as some of the ink comes off on your fingers to the non-inked
side...it looks nice.

All the best,

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:36
Subject: Foil-backed paper

Hi, more from me...

Sorry for the repeated tongue-twister...although I DO like the pigs
variation.

It seems that someone did beat me to the New scientist articles as well. I
had an inkling that Mr Jackson was responsible.

So I'll talk about a technique new to me that has brought a rewarding series
of models. I cannot remember where I got the idea from, but I tried making
my own foil backed paper. To do this, as well as the obligatory craft board,
knife and metal ruler, I obtained a large roll of kitchen foil, several
sheets of high quality tissue-paper and some art-and-craft adhesive spray.
By spraying thinly and carefully applying and smoothing out the tissue paper
to both sides, one at a time, I created a few 20" squares with two different
colours. The silver could just be seen through and gave a very attractive
effect. The paper folds superbly, better that foil sheets that you get in
origami paper packs; it is much more forgiving. Perhaps the folds arn't
quite as crisp, but already models that I hadnt been able to fold before
were now up to standard. Previous Tiujiangosauruses had been too thick to
display (Kawahata, Origami fantasy) but now looked great and Montroll's
two-tone giraffe, where before the neck was was too thick and the spots kept
springing everywhere, now was up to display standard.

Foil costs at most a couple of pounds a roll, tissue paper is dead cheap and
the spray should last ages...it works out cheaper than most other sources of
paper!

If you havent tried it before, give it a go, your models will notice the
difference!

Stephen

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From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:40
Subject: Tongue twister

People feeling pressure from paper pushing find profound pleasure in paper
folding.

It may not make the tongue twister list but hopefully bring us back to the
origami list.

Leong Cheng Chit
http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 19:53
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

"Levy, Ronald S." wrote:
>

> if you have a complex model requiring alot of precreasing, "Is it better to
> precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
> the precreases?"

One way to do pre creases while wetfolding is to begin with your paper
dry.  Then use a damp cloth or sponge to trace each crease before
folding.  This will soften the fibers in the crease, so they don't break
when you put the crease in.  Because, it is often difficult telling
where a crease will lie before it is folded.  I will often start folding
the paper, but instead of creasing the paper, I will just dent it enough
let me know where the crease is. Then I'll dampen the crease area with
my cloth.  Don't rub the paper to hard, or fibers will come off.  I find
that a pat pat motion works best for me.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 20:03
Subject: Adhesives for tissue-foil

Hello all,  I have been making tissue-foil for a few years now, and am
trying to see if there any alternatives to using spray adhesive. The
adhesive works great, but the fumes are hideous, very toxic. My dad is
allergic to it badly, and it can give headaches, etc. I can not spray
outside for awhile still, as I live in New Hampshire, and it is below
freezing out. I tried a stick glue, which worked quite well, until I folded
my model, when it proceeded to de-laminate midfold. Not very nice. I was
wondering if anyone had found any acceptable alternatives.  If you have, or
have any ideas, let me know please. Thanks.

Jake Crowley
jakecrow@hotmail.com

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From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 31 Jan 2000 20:20
Subject: Re: (NO) No To Ground hog recipe

In a message dated 1/31/2000 10:37:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
scram@LANDMARKNET.NET writes:

<< WC proclaims:

 >As I have always said, there are two types of people in this world, the
 >humane and the human.

 There are two types of people in the world: people who believe there are two
 types of people in the world, and people who don't. >>

There are three types of people in this world.  Those who can count and those
who can't.

Stuart





From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 20:45
Subject: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Hello everyone,

Since we're on the subject of Wetfolding, I wondered if anyone out there has
the same problem I have or perhaps a blessing in disguise.

My hands tend to sweat on a regular basis.  When I'm excited or nervous,
sweat would come out of my palm and through my fingers.  Sometimes, it just
comes out of the "blu", at other times it won't come out at all unless I
lift my palm and focus my sight on my fingers.  I would visualize my fingers
with pores coming out, and sweat would begin to become visible on the tip of
my fingers.

This is very strange, but it does have it's usefulness.  I find it great
when I fold thick paper and as I fold and crease, the sweat from my finger
tips would actually soften the paper.  The shape of the models look really
good at the end.  Offcourse, it's also nerve wracking when I try to fold
Kami paper and my hands sweats.  The model that I fold would be a wreck by
the time I finish.

...Just thought I share that with everyone,...does anyone out there have the
same "wet-hands?"  I love to hear from you.

Stephen Tran
Victoria BC

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 20:47
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

Daniel Philip Scher indited:

+submissions are great, but need such extra help as: rediagramming, new
+layouts, new text. All of this takes a good deal of time. Marc, for
+instance, just spent the last several weeks literally redesigning (and then
+redrawing) part of a model that was submitted to us. You'll never get to
+see the before and after effect, but it's quite significant. There are many
+models you'll see in the Annual Collection that you won't find in other
+publications because of that extra effort.

The publications team does a stellar job. If they choose to take on the
extra work to make a 350 page Annual Collection instead of a 200 page
one, that's great. But frankly, I'd rather have the smaller version
tha a burned out pubs team. To make the collections as huge as
they are either requires an amazing source of very high quality
diagrams, or herculean effort by the pubs team.

If you have a chance to look at the BOS convention "packs" you'll see
that they don't standardize the diagrams. This allows the
creators/diagrams style and quirks to come through. It also means that
some of the diagrams can be trikcy to read/decode too. Its a trade
off, obviously.

Of course there is a third possibility, which is to require a higher
standard for submissions. Somehow, between Marc's and Daniel's messages
I get the feeling that the pubs team is under some kind of compulsion
to take the most back of the napkin sketches and turn them into top
notch diagrams. Again, its sure nice of them to do that. But how many
diagrams are ever sent back because they aren't up to the minimal
requirements? I get the feeling that that is rarely ever done. Even
odder, 'causeyou know what? OUSA is doing the creators a favor by
publishing their diagrams and giving them exposure. OUSA is not
_obligated_ to do so. Perhaps in the past it was a scramble to get
enough diagrams for an annual collection... Naw, my collection of
annual collections goes back to '88, the earliest I've been able to
acquire, and they been consistently beefy, it sure doesn't seem like
there has been a dearth of material.

As an OUSA member I do not want to see the pubs team burn out because
they have to make the Annual Collection bigger and bigger each year,
redoing and redesigning(? really?) models to do it. I'm not in a
position to demand anything of the pubs group, but hey
'yinz/y'all/youse guise' take it easy, don't stress yourselves on _my_
account, 'cause after a point, t'aint worth it to me, and you've passed
that point by about 100 pages.

-D'gou





From: Ross Cooper <Zxenor@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 21:57
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

>...Just thought I share that with everyone,...does anyone out there have the
same "wet-hands?"  I love to hear from you.

i have that same problem...
my dermitoligist (or however you spell it) said that it is called hyper
hydrosis and that 1\10 people or so have it...for me, though, it is really
annoying.  Another sign that you have hyper hydrosis is if your palms peel
every once in a while.

-Ross Cooper





From: Deg Farrelly <StickmanAZ@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 22:55
Subject: Origami Kaleidoscope

Marion Riley writes:

<<
Subject: Origami Challenge

  Has anyone ever fabricated an origami
kalidiscope? This is an idea I've been
kicking around for some time and thought
I'd throw it out to the list to see if anyone
had tried anything similar, or had any
ideas.
>>

I invented one in the late 80's which I thought was published in an OUSA
annual.....

But because of the limitations of the reflective nature of origami foil
papers, I made it an open-ended reflecting tube, not really a kaleidoscope
since it did not have any moving jewels in it.  Besides, I had a heck of a
time finding transparent paper!

I called my model "Optiscope"  Folded from a square, it was essentially an
equilateral triangle wrapped inside a hexagonal tube.  And, for me, the
mathematically challenged, largely an exercise in mathematics and landmarks.

I know I still have diagrams of it somewhere.....  Let me know if you are
interested.

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com
o)-(

I'm sure I still have copies of the





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:18
Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil

At 01:01 AM 2/1/00 +0000, Jake Crowley wrote:
>Hello all,  I have been making tissue-foil for a few years now, and am
>trying to see if there any alternatives to using spray adhesive.

While I still think spray adhesive is the best adhesive for the job,
Rollotaque (sp?) makes a nice altenative. It is sold in some art supply
stores. BTW, spray adhesive is basicaly "Scotch tape" in a can, so if you
have a way of getting around the fumes, it is not all that bad.

Marc

http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Feb 2000 00:22
Subject: Re: Origami Kaleidoscope

Deg, I am definately interested in the directions for the kaliedescope.  How
can I get them.  I am very interested in the kaleidescopic qualities of the
brochure box.  (4 units for the top and 4 units on the bottom.  You never
know how the design will turn out until it is finished.  I love it.  Dorigami





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 01:52
Subject: Origami Sightings

Wayside Gardens is offering a rose in its catalog this year called
"Origami". It's an American hybrid introduced in 1986 by
Carruth/Christensen growers. It's a dark-edged light peach with petals
that curl back some. Has anyone grown this? Does its orignator have a
folding connection??

Ron Tagential Arruda





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 02:14
Subject: Re: Origami Kaleidoscope

----- Original Message -----
From: <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>

> Deg, I am definately interested in the directions for the kaliedescope

I'm an avid kaliedescope fan with a small collection, so I'm interested in
instructions as well, Thanks--- All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 03:11
Subject: (NO) Tongue Twisters (NO)

From: Jerry D. Harris <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Tongue Twisters (NO)

> Snip <
> I recall hearing that, empirically (though by what statistics, I don't
> know), the hardest English-language tongue twister is:
>
> The sixth sheik's sixth sheep's sick.
>
> Snip<

Actually I think it is.......

"The sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick."

Papa  (The extra "sick" makes a differance) Joe





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:02
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Levy, Ronald S. <rslevy@UTMB.EDU> sez

>Is it better to
>precrease dry and then wet to collapse it or to wet it first and then put in
>the precreases?"

Don't forget, if you have a point such as the top of a frog base, don't
wet it at all, or you will create a kind of flower ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:02
Subject: Re: Origami Challenge

Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> sez

>>   Has anyone ever fabricated an origami
>>kalidiscope?

Didn't deg farrely come up with an "optiscope" or something like that,
folded from reflective foil?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:02
Subject: Thoki in trunks

Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU> sez

>You were a deus ex machina clad only in swim trunks

You do realise Thok will believe this sort of thing - he was partially
struck by lightning in 1968 and has to be handled gently....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:42
Subject: Re: Tongue Twisters (NO)

And never forget the classic: rubber baby buggy bumpers (-:

Shalom

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From: Jerry D. Harris <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:42:46 -0500
Subject: Tongue Twisters (NO)

Message text written by Origami List
>I'm a pheasant
plucker and a pheasant plucker's son, and I'll be plucking pleasant
pheasants 'til the pheasant plucking's done, or; I'm not a pheasant
plucker,
I'm a pheasant plucker's mate, and I'm only plucking pheasant's 'cuz the
pheasant plucker's late.<

I recall hearing that, empirically (though by what statistics, I don't
know), the hardest English-language tongue twister is:

The sixth sheik's sixth sheep's sick.

...though for sheer, annoying brevity, try saying

Bugs' black blood

...three times in rapid succesion, or saying

Toy boat

...ten times in rapid succession!

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New Mexico Museum of Natural History
1801 Mountain Rd NW
Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
Phone: (505) 841-2809
Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:42
Subject: Re: Engel Models

Leslie,

         The dragon is a great model and not too terribly difficult; I have a
     large model on display at work on top of my cubicle wall.

Shalom
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Leslie Mitchell <lbmitchell@MSN.COM>
  To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
  Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:37 PM
  Subject: Engel Models

  I've only done one Engel model, his hummingbird, which is a beautiful model
  & a little different than most H-bird models that I've done. I've not had the
  guts to attempt another Engel model at this point!

  Leslie





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:42
Subject: Re: Engel Models

David,

 The Dragon, by far, then the alligator and the humming bird.
-----Original Message-----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:42:53 -0500
Subject: Engel Models

>Well I've been folding Engel's alligator, which is a great model.  Now I'm
>wondering what are your favorite models of Engel(addressed to all on the
>list)?  What are the models you dread?  And your overall impression of his
>form?  Happy folding :)
>
>
>David





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 04:53
Subject: Yen and bill folding

From: Will and Dawn Krebs <krebs@sunline.net>
Subject: Yen and bill folding

>snip<
>If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific bill
>diagrams
>snip<

The only money foreign folds that I know of are.....

Canadian Dollar Plane
Canadian Dollar Cannon
Canadian Dollar Pig
all by J.F.K. Wiatrowski (OUSA 1988)

Swedish 20 kr bill folded into a $Shirt
(the goose's neck on the bill become a tie)
The idea by Torphammar Per (Sweden)

And now Allen Parry's 1000 yen Koi

Although you have money from Japan you may want to find some
diagrams on making Chinese "Money Boats" (a modular type of boat).
Someone else on the list may have more info on
the Chinese tradition of money boats and diagrams.
You can see some pictures of money boats at Bob Nienhuis's site

http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/chinese.html

A search should produce more.

PapaJoe

P.S.  Allen Parry, looking foward to seeing your Koi :-)





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 06:49
Subject: Octagon Squash

I give up I need help, in Origami fantasy a lot of models require you to
perform the Octagon Squash at a crucial stage in the model. By this I mean
where you take a point and pull out all the layers as you squash it down, at
the moment I manhandle the paper for a few minutes and it eventually
collapses into something resembling an octagon but the dimensions are all
out, so this make all future folds difficult if not impossible.

Can any give me a few tips for this tricky manoeuvre?

Thanks
Dave





From: John McKeever <John@IMRNI.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 07:29
Subject: Re: Octagon Squash

>I give up I need help, in Origami fantasy a lot of models require you to
>perform the Octagon Squash at a crucial stage in the model.

After precreasing, open up and stretch out the top of the frog base type point
     as much as possible, as if you're about to open sink it. Then, instead of
     sinking, flatten it. The extra, lower creases tend to sort themselves out,
     though you might need to ad
In other words, get your octagon sorted before you flatten out the paper.

It's hard to do this completely accurately for a small octagon (e.g. on the
     mouths of the duck-billed dinosaurs) but it should be easier for a larger
     one (like on the back of the Archaeopteryx, if I remember correctly). The
     problem, I think, is that when

John McKeever





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 09:38
Subject: Engel's Dragon...?

Message text written by Origami List
>The dragon is a great model and not too terribly difficult;<

        Hey, I wasn't aware Engel had a dragon model!  I'd love to see it;
where were the instructions published?  (Come to think of it, have any of
his leaf models been published anywhere?)  Thanks in advance!

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 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 10:01
Subject: Re: Adhesives for tissue-foil

Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM> writes:

> While I still think spray adhesive is the best adhesive for the job,
> Rollotaque (sp?) makes a nice altenative. It is sold in some art supply
> stores. BTW, spray adhesive is basicaly "Scotch tape" in a can, so if you
> have a way of getting around the fumes, it is not all that bad.

I wonder how much fume hoods are?  You could try to get access once in
a while to your local high school's chemlab, but that is iffy.  It
does work to marry a biologist, if that option is still available.
8^)

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
Singin' and Shakin': Oprah Tic Tenor





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 10:23
Subject: Re: Engel's Dragon...?

Jerry Harris wondered about Peter Engel:

>Come to think of it, have any of
>his leaf models been published anywhere?

In BARF Summer '94, Bo Leaf

OUSA The Paper #53, Winter '95, Begonia Leaf. A superb model with odd
symmetry

In BARF Fall '96, American Maple Leaf, also very nicely done.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Feb 2000 10:28
Subject: Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks

Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:

> I find it great
> when I fold thick paper and as I fold and crease, the sweat from my finger
> tips would actually soften the paper.  The shape of the models look really
> good at the end

So you own sweat (and blood?) goes into the model.

Stuart





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 10:31
Subject: Re: models in annual collection

I have to agree with Doug entirely. I am one of those who benefitted
from such exposure. Who would have heard of this guy from the backwaters
of origami otherwise :o)

Doug Philips wrote:

> Ever odder, 'cause you know what? OUSA is doing the creators a favor by
> publishing their diagrams and giving them exposure. OUSA is not
> _obligated_ to do so.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 11:52
Subject: Re: Octagon Squash

Dave Stephenson wrote:

>where you take a point and pull out all the layers as you squash it down,
at
>the moment I manhandle the paper for a few minutes and it eventually
>collapses into something resembling an octagon but the dimensions are all
>out, so this make all future folds difficult if not impossible.

>Can any give me a few tips for this tricky manoeuvre?

    When the model allows it, I try to precrease the edge of what will be
the octagon from as many sides as possible, by folding over layers and
putting in the crease, or by mountaining AND valleying on the edge
crease.(See diagram 78 of the Archaeopteryx, p. 81- the mountain will become
the edge of the octagon). This has to be done with some consideration for
what your paper can withstand, but when it works well, the point opens out
easily, without tearing.
    You're on your own when it comes to making sense of the layers
underneath... O_O

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 12:25
Subject: Sweaty hands (was Re: New thread - Wetfolding tips and tricks)

At 17:44 00/01/31 -0800, Stephen Tran wrote:
>This is very strange, but it does have it's usefulness.  I find it great
>when I fold thick paper and as I fold and crease, the sweat from my finger
>tips would actually soften the paper.  The shape of the models look really
>good at the end.  Offcourse, it's also nerve wracking when I try to fold
>Kami paper and my hands sweats.  The model that I fold would be a wreck by
>the time I finish.

Yes, it happens, as others have already attested. Backcoated washi is
actually very good for folding with sweaty hands, since the paste that binds
the two layers together dissolves very nicely when folded with damp fingers.
Maybe I should hold another backcoating workshop this summer, some time when
you can make it out to Vancouver?

I'm wondering, though, if folding with sweat would not shorten the life of a
model. Sweat is not "acid-free" after all.

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From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@PRESSROOM.COM>
Date: 01 Feb 2000 12:34
Subject: NO - Groundhog Day

See the http://www.care2.com/send/catghog1.html site for more info on
Groundhog day and free email greetings.
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA
