




From: Ian Aw <ian.aw@VIRGINNET.CO.UK>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 15:59
Subject: Re: Tiny origami

thanks shalom

ian

----------
>From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Tiny origami
>Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2000, 12:06 pm
>

> Ian,
>
>     With rare exceptions (i.e. opening of tiny ear or eye slits) I use my
> fingers, which drives everyone crazy, because I'm 6'1" 380lbs with big hands
> ! I do own some very good tweezers, bought form an electronic site on the
> web, but mosty they sit in the box; I usually just use a toothpick or other
> small pointed obeject  to open small folds, as I said before. (I folded a
> crane from 1cm (maybe a bit smaller) paper)
>
> Shalom
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Aw <ian.aw@VIRGINNET.CO.UK>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Tiny origami
>
>
>>for shalom levine
>>
>>to actually fold tiny origami cd you tell me what instruments you need to
>>use? i have tried to fold a 1 cm folded pleat sheet with my fingers and
>>obviously it DID NOT WORK!!! :)
>>
>>thks
>>ian
>>
>>ian.aw@virginnet.co.uk
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>>>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Tiny origami
>>>Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2000, 7:52 pm
>>>
>>
>>> Dr. Stephen,
>>>
>>>    I am impressed; I have folded the stegosaurus from 2.5" paper, so I
> tip
>>> my hat to your 1" model. I do have some tiny but simpler models from 1"
> and
>>> smaller; a dog (from one of Harbin's books), a Yoshizawa frog and mouse,
>>> and a Kawasaki rose. One of these days I'll photograph them; for now,
>>> they're in a display case in my cubicle at work ( large scale models ring
>>> the top of the cubicle walls; my cubicle is one of the stops when
>>> prospective clients are shown around (-:  ).
>>>
>>> Shalom
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>>> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Tiny origami
>>>  Both are from 1 inch paper,
>>>>one is a montroll stegosaurus, the other is an ohanlon t rex.





From: Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 16:34
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie? - Hulme BOS booklet

> >Max Hulme has a GREAT scottie in his BOS booklet. IMHO very much like the dog
> >in Monopoly, a very cool model.
>
> Thank you very much -- but can you please tell me how to purchase a copy of
     the
> aforementioned BOS booklet?  I am dying to see this Scottie.

I think that this BOS booklet (and many others) is currently out of print.
I know that the BOS team is working hard to bring all of the booklets back
into print. No doubt Nick will let us know when booklets become available
again. I think the BOS website lists all the booklets, and says which are
available from BOS supplies. Perhaps Nick could update us on this?

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





From: Deg Farrelly <StickmanAZ@AOL.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 16:42
Subject: OUSA diagrams

JacAlArt writes:

<<
Wonder if anyone who can make a difference is
listening........
~J>>

Certainly!

The Paper is dependent on the submissions of its members.

For years the publication has been asking it's members to submit content for
publication... that includes diagrams.

I cannot speak for OUSA, but I imagine that publishing of diagrams does not
require the designer to be an OUSA member.

So everyone on this list is in the position of making a difference.

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:01
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

I would be glad to send my diagrams to OUSA if someone could kindly instruct
me how to do it and who to send them to.  Can I do over the inernet through
email?

Thanks
Collin Weber

>From: Deg Farrelly <StickmanAZ@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: OUSA diagrams
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:41:17 EST
>
>JacAlArt writes:
>
><<
>Wonder if anyone who can make a difference is
>listening........
>~J>>
>
>Certainly!
>
>The Paper is dependent on the submissions of its members.
>
>For years the publication has been asking it's members to submit content
>for
>publication... that includes diagrams.
>
>I cannot speak for OUSA, but I imagine that publishing of diagrams does not
>require the designer to be an OUSA member.
>
>So everyone on this list is in the position of making a difference.
>
>
>deg farrelly
>StickmanAZ@aol.com

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From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:08
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

OUSA solicits diagrams for the convention annual. Why not hold back some of
these from the Annual and instead publish them in the PAPER. The authors
would get credit one way or another, and I'm sure that this would provide
more than enough material for both publications.

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deg Farrelly [mailto:StickmanAZ@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:41 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: OUSA diagrams
>
>
> JacAlArt writes:
>
> <<
> Wonder if anyone who can make a difference is
> listening........
> ~J>>
>
> Certainly!
>
> The Paper is dependent on the submissions of its members.
>
> For years the publication has been asking it's members to
> submit content for
> publication... that includes diagrams.
>
> I cannot speak for OUSA, but I imagine that publishing of
> diagrams does not
> require the designer to be an OUSA member.
>
> So everyone on this list is in the position of making a difference.
>
>
> deg farrelly
> StickmanAZ@aol.com





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:14
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

>Farrelly writes
>The Paper is dependent on the submissions of its members.
>So everyone on this list is in the position of making a difference.

Not everyone on this list creates and diagrams complex models. What has OUSA
done to RECRUIT designers? Absolutely nothing. I submit to the Annual
Collection because I then get one for free. Not ONCE has OUSA contacted me
to request I submit complex models to The Paper. Simply adding a statement
"You Can Submit" to your publication does not constitute an effort. How
about "contributors get a free pack of paper" or "contributors get 50% off a
book of their choice" or "contributors get a little something for their
efforts and their time" as is done with the annual collection. By the way --
there are plenty of 'in-house' people at OUSA (they know who they are) who
can create and diagram challenging models -- yet these are rarely included!
~J
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:31
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

At 17:12 00/01/28 -0500, JacAlArt . wrote:
Not everyone on this list creates and diagrams complex models. What has OUSA
>done to RECRUIT designers? Absolutely nothing. I submit to the Annual
>Collection because I then get one for free. Not ONCE has OUSA contacted me
>to request I submit complex models to The Paper. Simply adding a statement
>"You Can Submit" to your publication does not constitute an effort. How
>about "contributors get a free pack of paper" or "contributors get 50% off a
>book of their choice" or "contributors get a little something for their
>efforts and their time" as is done with the annual collection. By the way --
>there are plenty of 'in-house' people at OUSA (they know who they are) who
>can create and diagram challenging models -- yet these are rarely included!

There is now an OUSA members mailing list where these issues would be more
properly discussed. The administrator of that list is a member of this list,
so hopefully he'll take this hint and post information on how people can
join that list (which, I presume, would involve joining OUSA as well). Just
to answer JacAlArt's charges (and, further prolong this discussion
here...sorry!), I have been contacted more than once by OUSA to submit
diagrams for both the Annual Collection and for The Paper (including its
previous incarnation).

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:38
Subject: No: (Nothing at all to do with ori) ground hog day

>  What is a Ground Hog? Is it anything like a hedgehog,
>  sometimes called a hedge pig. It's snout has a superficial resemblance to
>  that of a pig and the Gipsies make a nice meal out of them.

I was in Scotland a while back, they sell hedgehog flavour crisps there...

Dave.





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 17:49
Subject: SEOF

Hi All:

I just got a wonderful mailing from the SEOF inviting me to the Festival
in Charlotte NC from September 22 - 24. It was very professionally done.
Their letterhead even has crease lines printed on it... too funny, loved
that!!! Also included was a cleverly folded flyer and a very
entertaining questionnaire where you check your top five reasons for
attending the Festival. (Ria and I are having a great time sharing our
top five reasons)

Thanks Jonathan Baxter, for such a fun letter! Can't wait for the
Festival... I'm already packed, hehehe.

Hope to see you all there :)

For more information here is a link to their website.
http://southeastorigami.home.mindspring.com/index.htm

Take care,
Kathy  <*))))><





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 18:27
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

Message text written by Origami List
>There is now an OUSA members mailing list where these issues would be more
properly discussed. The administrator of that list is a member of this
list,
so hopefully he'll take this hint and post information on how people can
join that list<

        Has anyone actually been subscribed and is receiving messages from
this other list? I have sent two subscription requests to the address on
the mailer and gotten no response; I assumed it wasn't up-and-running
yet...?

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From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 19:03
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

"Jerry D. Harris" wrote:

>         Has anyone actually been subscribed and is receiving messages from
> this other list? I have sent two subscription requests to the address on
> the mailer and gotten no response; I assumed it wasn't up-and-running
> yet...?

Been getting messages for around a week with out any problem
even got into the vault to see the list of "master" level
american folders, I wasn't on it, sniff!
but as I say it seems to be working even though all most all of
the messages seem to be about how you shouldn't leave messages
and waste peoples time.

Perry

--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 19:55
Subject: Re: The PAPER :(

Well I have yet to receive my issue of The Paper which was to have been sent
by 4th class mail.  Yes, it was stated previously there was a problem about
mailing out the issues to be sent by 4th class mail.  I do not understand
the problem as I have two 32 gallon garbage cans full of 4th class mail
ready for the recycling center.  I have never heard of any company,
organization etc having problems sending 4th class mail!  This is not the
first time OUSA has had problems sending 4th class mail out.  You would
think by now they would have fixed the problem.  Ahhh, but there is no money
to be made by sending something out by 4th class mail!
WC

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From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 28 Jan 2000 21:06
Subject: Origami MEMS: tiny folded models

> > I am just curious to know, what is the smallest model anyone has
> > folded?

I just got back from the IEEE MEMS 2000 conference in Miyazaki, Japan (MEMS =
Micro Elecro Mechanical Systems = teeny machines made using IC fabrication
technology). One of the poster papers, by Elliot Hui of UC Berkeley, featured
several 3-dimensional pop-up structures fabricated on a silicon wafer. The
basic idea is, you deposit flat layers of polysilicon and pattern them like
die-cut sheets of paper in a pop-up. Although the sheets of polysilicon are
rigid, the process includes a way of making hinges that join adjacent layers,
so the layers can fold along pre-selected lines. The process allows multiple
layers of "paper" (polysilicon), so the result is very much like a pop-up
book. Typical dimensions for these structures are in the few hundred microns
(several hair diameters). The piece de resistance of the presentation was an
SEM photograph of a tiny 3-D pop-up model of the UCB clock tower, complete
with windows, spires, and pyramidal cap.

I bring this up to point out to any other MEMS workers out there with some
leftover space on their wafer that the time seems right for a MEMS flapping
bird, which might capture the prize for the smallest flapping bird in the
future.

Robert J. Lang





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 28 Jan 2000 23:48
Subject: (NO) Ground hog recipe

GROUNDHOG IN CREAM

Parboil meat until it slips from bones.  Remove it and cut it into small
pieces.

    2 Hardboiled Eggs
    2 Tablespoons Butter
    1 Teaspoon Prepared Mustard
    1 Teaspoon All-Purpose Flour
    1/2 Cup Heavy Cream
    1/8 Teaspoon Ground Nutmeg

Mash egg yolks and mix with butter, mustard, flour, cream.  Add egg whites,
coarsely cut.  Season with nutmeg.  Boil for a minute, stirring constantly.
Add meat.  Mix well.  Simmer for 20 minutes.  Serve.

*  Baked, Gypsy style- Drawn, rolled in clay, baked in ashes.
*  Broiled, Gypsy style- Split open, skewered back, and broiled.

Bon apetit!

Ron Arruda





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 01:12
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

<Joseph Wu writes:
<to answer JacAlArt's charges (and, further prolong this discussion
here...sorry!), I have been contacted more than once by OUSA to submit
diagrams for both the Annual Collection and for The Paper (including its
previous incarnation).
***************************************
Lucky you. I guess that would explain why the Eastern Dragon (which was
highly publicized and readily available on your web site) was pretty much
the only challenging Wu model in The Paper. (Of course, I had downloaded the
diagrams and folded it MONTHS before it's release in The Paper.) Oh -- and
maybe Pigasus with hand drawn diagrams. Well -- those were 2 cool models in
what -- 72 issues of The paper?! It's great that you were contacted and that
you contribute. I'm not upset with contributors. I'm upset that OUSA doesn't
seek out creators -- at least more than just one.
~J
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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 01:31
Subject: Re: (NO) Ground hog recipe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Arruda" <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>

> GROUNDHOG IN CREAM

Didn't Bob and Ray have a routine about groundhog meat being on sale, rather
than ground hogmeat being on sale?

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 04:56
Subject: fairy-tale diagrams

Dear folders,

"Origami Deutschland (OD)", the German origami association, wants to print a
booklet for their members, to give them some good ideas for the planned
origami exhibition in Germany. The theme is: fairy-tales.

I would like to ask you a favour on behalf of Eduard Maier (head of OD):

would you mind sharing any of your diagrams with our association for this
purpose? Any diagrams (pdf, cdr, gif, jpg,...) would be welcome, even if not
related to the above mentioned "fairy-tales".

In case any of your work is reprinted, we will of course send you a free
copy of our booklet. We will also mention your name, country and former
publications.

The deadline for your diagrams will be the 26. February 2000.

Thank you very much in advance for your kindness.

Happy folding!
Evi

Origami Deutschland
http://www.papierfalten.de
mailto:d.evi.l@muenster.de





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 06:07
Subject: Re: Origami MEMS: tiny folded models

> Although the sheets of polysilicon are
> rigid, the process includes a way of making hinges that join adjacent
layers,
> so the layers can fold along pre-selected lines.
>
They should also able to be "unfolded" along the pre-selected lines. To
capture the prize for the smallest flapping bird, the "crease" pattern
should
be the same as that for the paper version.

Leong Cheng Chit





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 07:44
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

JacAlArt . <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM> sez

>. Not ONCE has OUSA contacted me
>to request I submit complex models to The Paper. Simply adding a statement
>"You Can Submit" to your publication does not constitute an effort.

I have to say, neither does sitting back and waiting for the world to
arrive at your door! If people have designs they think worthy of
publication, they should submit them - editors have lots to think of
besides chasing people up.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 07:44
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie? - Hulme BOS booklet

Richard Kennedy <r.a.kennedy@BHAM.AC.UK> sez

>I think the BOS website lists all the booklets, and says which are
>available from BOS supplies. Perhaps Nick could update us on this?

We are keen to make *all* BOS booklets available and Max is high up the
list for reprint. Future projects include collections by Kasahara and
Francis Ow. I'll post news as soon as we have it!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    coming soon....





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 07:58
Subject: Re: (NO) No To Ground hog recipe

As I have always said, there are two types of people in this world, the
humane and the human.
WC -Vegetarian

>From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: (NO) Ground hog recipe
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:47:24 -0800
>
>GROUNDHOG IN CREAM
>
>Parboil meat until it slips from bones.  Remove it and cut it into small
>pieces.
>
>
>     2 Hardboiled Eggs
>     2 Tablespoons Butter
>     1 Teaspoon Prepared Mustard
>     1 Teaspoon All-Purpose Flour
>     1/2 Cup Heavy Cream
>     1/8 Teaspoon Ground Nutmeg
>
>
>Mash egg yolks and mix with butter, mustard, flour, cream.  Add egg whites,
>coarsely cut.  Season with nutmeg.  Boil for a minute, stirring constantly.
>Add meat.  Mix well.  Simmer for 20 minutes.  Serve.
>
>*  Baked, Gypsy style- Drawn, rolled in clay, baked in ashes.
>*  Broiled, Gypsy style- Split open, skewered back, and broiled.
>
>Bon apetit!
>
>Ron Arruda

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From: Atsina <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 11:00
Subject: Re: (NO) Ground hog recipe

That there was the fancy recipe for groundhog. But don't laugh too hard, there
was a time when, if it weren't for such beasts (also possum and squirrel) my
Great-gram and I would have gone without food.

Apologies to the vegetarians, but among the things generally unavailable on
Indian Reservations... tofu. Origami paper as well, by the way.

Kim





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 15:00
Subject: Re: Large Transparency Film

In a message dated 1/27/00 10:52:45 AM, jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Do any of you know where to get larger sizes. >>

Photographic gels which are similar to transparency film thickness can
be found at professional photography stores. Huge sheets, used in photography
for lighting, sometimes aren't too expensive. I haven't tried folded it, but
now
will to see what happens. They come in any color, and can be ordered.
Hope this helps. Also, giant rolls of backdrop paper, thick, in different
colors
and patterns. Maybe, if someone is inspired to make a giant model...I think it
would hold and be sturdy.
my thoughts about it,
Kelly





From: "Melissa D. Johnson" <johnsonm@ACU.EDU>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 17:08
Subject: Re: Tiny origami

Wow, Stephen, that is amazing!

Melissa Dawn :)
http://MelissaDawn.Johnson.org/

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Dr Stephen O'Hanlon wrote:

> Ive stuck another photo on my web page of some rather small origami. I still
> cant find my old dissection kit (Now that had some really cool forceps in
> them) so Ive used fingernails for those models. Both are from 1 inch paper,
> one is a montroll stegosaurus, the other is an ohanlon t rex.
>
> Stephen
>
> www.geocities.com/paperfolder.geo
>
> Look in essays section under tiny origami.





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 29 Jan 2000 21:58
Subject: Re: The PAPER :(

>
> Well I have yet to receive my issue of The Paper which was to have been sent
> by 4th class mail.  Yes, it was stated previously there was a problem about
> mailing out the issues to be sent by 4th class mail.  I do not understand
> the problem as I have two 32 gallon garbage cans full of 4th class mail
> ready for the recycling center.  I have never heard of any company,
> organization etc having problems sending 4th class mail!  This is not the
> first time OUSA has had problems sending 4th class mail out.  You would
> think by now they would have fixed the problem.  Ahhh, but there is no money
> to be made by sending something out by 4th class mail!
> WC
>
As far as I know, OUSA does not make any money on postage!
I do recall ordering a book once from a publisher and agreeing to have it
mailed 4th class. It took more than a month for that book to reach me.

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 30 Jan 2000 01:54
Subject: Re: The PAPER :(

In a message dated 1/29/2000 9:59:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ackerman@DORSAI.ORG writes:

> 4th class mail.  I do not understand
>  > the problem

I'm confused. Is fourth class mail "book rate" as opposed to
third class "business rate"/aka "junk mail"?

Because in my limited experience, junk mail is almost as fast
as, or faster than, first class, but parcel post and book rate
are glacial, when they're not mis-delivered or lost.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've seen "The Paper".
Then again, (1) I can't even remember whether I'm currently
subscribed, and (2) I haven't yet learned to log my
incoming mail, let alone track my subscriptions.
Uh, when and what was the last issue out?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 07:38
Subject: Skillman's Jackstone

Dear Friends,

As part of the BOS celebrations of their 200th issue, a poll was conducted
among its membership as to their Top Ten Favourite Folds, with the notion
that those models chosen be reprinted in year 2000 editions of the magazine.
The absolute favourite appears to be Skillman's Jackstone, first published in
Harbin's number 2 paperback many years ago.
I remember as a child trying to fold it, and struggling to do so, believing
my skills inadequate by which to complete such a masterpiece!!
It was not until I joined the BOS, and began attending conventions, circa.
1989, that I met Nick Robinson, who suggested that I try again, and be
advised that the diagrams of the Jackstone previously published can be a
little ambiguous, to say the least!!
Am I alone? Does / did anyone else out there find this? Because I thought
that, if publishing the drawings again in the BOS magazine, perhaps it might
be an idea to have them reworked?
The second question then is obvious: Anyone fancy the task??!!

Best, Rick Beech (BOS editor).





From: marc cooman <marc.cooman@PANDORA.BE>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 08:45
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

FWIW I was eighteen at the time I first tried to fold it and I managed
without too many problems.
So for as far as my opinion helps you any further, keep the drawings.

By the way Rick, I think You are doing a great job with the BOS magazine !

Speak to You soon

Marcus R. Cooman

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: Skillman's Jackstone

> Dear Friends,
>
> As part of the BOS celebrations of their 200th issue, a poll was conducted
> among its membership as to their Top Ten Favourite Folds, with the notion
> that those models chosen be reprinted in year 2000 editions of the
magazine.
> The absolute favourite appears to be Skillman's Jackstone, first published
in
> Harbin's number 2 paperback many years ago.
> I remember as a child trying to fold it, and struggling to do so,
believing
> my skills inadequate by which to complete such a masterpiece!!
> It was not until I joined the BOS, and began attending conventions, circa.
> 1989, that I met Nick Robinson, who suggested that I try again, and be
> advised that the diagrams of the Jackstone previously published can be a
> little ambiguous, to say the least!!
> Am I alone? Does / did anyone else out there find this? Because I thought
> that, if publishing the drawings again in the BOS magazine, perhaps it
might
> be an idea to have them reworked?
> The second question then is obvious: Anyone fancy the task??!!
>
> Best, Rick Beech (BOS editor).





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 09:29
Subject: Skillman's Jackstone

Message text written by Origami List
>Am I alone? Does / did anyone else out there find this? Because I thought
that, if publishing the drawings again in the BOS magazine, perhaps it
might
be an idea to have them reworked?<

        They are a bit ambiguous in some places, despite Harbin's obvious
effort to put some 3-D-ness into the diagrams.  I tried it not too long
after getting into origami and, like you, had countless failed attempts
before finally figuring it out.  I count my "conquest" of that model, as
well as the "Pegasus" and "Mountain Goat" in Montroll's first book, as my
"inauguration" into the world of complex models.

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 Jerry D. Harris
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 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
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 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 09:35
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

On 30 Jan 00, at 7:37, Rick Beech wrote:

> The absolute favourite appears to be Skillman's Jackstone, first published in
> Harbin's number 2 paperback many years ago.
> I remember as a child trying to fold it, and struggling to do so, believing
> my skills inadequate by which to complete such a masterpiece!!
> It was not until I joined the BOS, and began attending conventions, circa.
> 1989, that I met Nick Robinson, who suggested that I try again, and be
> advised that the diagrams of the Jackstone previously published can be a
> little ambiguous, to say the least!!

Well, not 'as a child' for me, but I'd tried for several years to puzzle
out the diagrams in Harbin2 and get Jackstone to 'pop'.  As with most
folk working from books, I'd never seen the thing and I just *couldn't*
figure out what the diagrams were trying to tell me.

I actually don't know if I'd have been able to do it just upon a re-
trying [after several years of orgami'ing]... I met a friend who WAS able
to do Jackstone who showed me how to do it [and darn, once I was doing
it, if the diagrams weren't actually correct... it was just hard to
figure that out]

> ... Because I thought
> that, if publishing the drawings again in the BOS magazine, perhaps it might
> be an idea to have them reworked?

..  reminds me of the difference between a tutorial and a reference work:
by and large, you can't use a reference work unless you mostly already
know the answer and only need to be reminded of the details; by contrast,
a tutorial will take more pains to lead you through topic, even if it is
more slow and verbose (and less complete) than the 'reference' version...

The harbin diagrams, in retrospect [and knowing how to do the model]
serve as "reference diagrams" just fine, but I would agree that perhaps a
reworking with more of an eye toward "tutorial" [on those few key steps
as you work the model into 3D] would be wonderful...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 09:35
Subject: Re: The PAPER :(

>> Ahhh, but there is no money
>> to be made by sending something out by 4th class mail!
>> WC
>>
>> As far as I know, OUSA does not make any money on postage!
>> Sheldon Ackerman.

I think WC meant that there was no money to be made by sending it out 4th
class for the Post Office, not OUSA. Draw you're own conclusions as to the
consequences...

Dave





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 10:56
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Dear busy BOS beings
and other Jackstone lovers

>if publishing the drawings again in the BOS magazine, perhaps  >it might be an
     idea to have them reworked?<

Many years ago I got the ORIGAMIAN from Lillian Oppenheimer,
and in one of the early issues there were Photo Diagrams with verbal
     instruction  for folding the Jackstone,
unfortunately I do not have the Origamian in my possession now.
I should have learned never to let people borrow my books. .

I managed to do it from these diagrams
so perhaps the one that remakes the diagram
should look at this early issue of the Origamian.

Greetings from

Thoki Yenn

Who has recently been through a Cumputer Crash
and harddisk formatting and is still having trouble
with a WEBCAM installation. I managed to get a test picture on the site
before it crashed again .The diagrams for the Split
Pyramid bookends will be coming soon.
http://www.thok.dk/pyrabook.html





From: Digital Jones <steve@DIGITAL-JONES.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 11:06
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

I too remember countless wasted hours during high school spent pursuing what
I felt, at the time, was the Holy Grail of paper folding! Despite the
nostalgic value the diagrams have I would vote for re-doing them. A fine
model like the Jackstone deserves to presented in the best (and most
accessible) possible light.
What other items are on your Top Ten List Rick?

steve matheson
steve@digital-jones.com





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 12:05
Subject: Re: NO:ground hog day

For David and others who still might be interested in information about Ground
     Hog
day the following site probably provides all the information you would ever want
to know about the animal; the day and its origins; Punxsutawney Phil and his web
site; and Wiarton Willie, a Canadian albino ground hog and his festival.

http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/msubphil.htm





From: Howard Portugal <howardp@FAST.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 12:30
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

I was in my early 20's when I first tried it and got completely frustrated.
I stuffed my partial model into the book and put it back on the shelf for
several months. The next time I picked it up I was able to complete the
model. It was a triumph for me.

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Digital
> Jones
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 7:54 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone
>
>
> I too remember countless wasted hours during high school spent
> pursuing what
> I felt, at the time, was the Holy Grail of paper folding! Despite the
> nostalgic value the diagrams have I would vote for re-doing them. A fine
> model like the Jackstone deserves to presented in the best (and most
> accessible) possible light.
> What other items are on your Top Ten List Rick?
>
> steve matheson
> steve@digital-jones.com





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 12:47
Subject: Re: NO:ground hog day

Try this one Quick.

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck
if a woodchuck would chuck wood ?

Greetings

Kalmon looking at his shadow
and going back to bed





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:12
Subject: Re: The PAPER :(

4th class mail has a few "species", but generally it's "printed matter".
My own experience doing the mailing for a small non-profit in the 1970's,
together with the inside scoop from mail men i have known rather well
tells me that small mailers are not treated very well by the management
of the postal service. Money talks! Ad non-profit rates are low enough
that the "Service" need not take them as seriously as the giant junk (3rd
class) mailers. Read it and weep!

Ron Arruda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:19
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Not only the 3-Dness of the Jackstone diagrams is difficult, but also the
actual mechanical feel of how much to pull at the paper without tearing
it is impossible to convey in a diagram: it just has to be learned
"kinesthetically". I learned origami and knitting from books, and both
skills present daunting "translation" problems: both going into the print
and coming back ot of it!

Ron Arruda





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:29
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

The jackstone is one of only two or three models that I really have had much
difficulty folding.  My son was about 10 when I got Harbin's book with the
jackstone.  He became intrigued when I was having difficulty with it.  He
folded it without any apparent trouble the first time he tried.  I kept getting
hung up at one step in the diagrams that wasn't clear to me.  He would take the
model from me show me how to fold that step and hand it back.  It still me
about four or five tries before I was able to do it without his help.  Somewhat
humbling, I must say.

Martha Winslow-Cole





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:31
Subject: WHAT IS JACKSTONE?!?!

Sorry if im not in "the know,"
   But I dont know what Skillman's JACKSTONE model is.  Could someone please
be kind enough to tell me what the model is of?? I would really appreciate
it.  Thank you.

          Fellow folder,
           Ian McRobbie





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:38
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Message text written by INTERNET:afolder@avana.net
>The jackstone is one of only two or three models that I really have had
much
difficulty folding....  Somewhat
humbling, I must say.<

        I always did like Harbin's comment in the header on the last page
of instructions for the model:  "You deserve a medal!"  8-D

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 Jerry D. Harris
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 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
  LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 13:53
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Jackstone is a model that captured lots of people's attention in the
1970's. It's basically a hollow figure when done, and is a cube with
each of it's faces occupied completely by a tall pyramid. Like a 3-d
star-burst with six spikes. It appeares in Robert Harbin's book "Origami 2".

It's at the start of a renaissance it seems.

Ron Arruda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:03
Subject: Lemon Slice

I forget who mentioned the possibility of a fruit slice, but I just came
across a diagram for one in the French society's "Le Pli" #41 of winter
1989-90. It's called "Marque-verre" and is by Didier Boursin. It has a
radial slot so it can sit on the edge of a cocktail glass to mark which
one is yours (after you've had few).

This reminds me of how wonderful the publications of the Mouvement
Francais des Plieurs du Papier (MFPP) is, and how the elegance and
playfulness of the models was what I enjoyed so much. What a great sense
of humor these folks have, even though my French is virtually non-existant!

I almost wish I had been able to keep my horrible but high-paying job
so i could continue to afford this and the several other fine international
origami subscriptions i used to indulge myself with!

Ron "pooer but happier" Arruda





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:11
Subject: WHAT IS JACKSTONE?!?!

Message text written by Origami List
>Sorry if im not in "the know,"
   But I dont know what Skillman's JACKSTONE model is.  Could someone
please
be kind enough to tell me what the model is of?? I would really appreciate
it.  Thank you.<

        As far as I can tell, it's a stylized, more geometric version of a
jack (as in the game of jacks).  geometrically, it's a stellate cube --
imagine a cube where, instead of a flat, square face on each side, there's
a four-sided pyramid.

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--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
  LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: Penny Groom <penny.groom@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:21
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

When our son Paul started folding in 1981 his dad thought he would have
a go. He made a kangaroo and fired by his success with this thought he'd
make the Jackstone. He succeeded much to his delight and he decided to
retire while on top, having won the admiration our children.

He did find the last few steps difficult and agrees they could be
redrawn it they are going to be published again,

More questionnaires on their way soon Rick,

All the best

Penny
Penny Groom

Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage is under reconstruction. New URL to follow soon.

Please visit the Hunger Site at http://www.thehungersite.com/
Clicking on this site once daily donates food at no cost to you to the
hungry around the world.





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:32
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

Hi all,

I just wanted to take this opportunity to clear up some misconceptions
about diagram submissions to The Paer and for the Annual Collection. First
of all, as far as submitting is concerned, the two are one and the same.
Some people have specified their work should be for a particular
publication, but most go into the same pool.

As for how we request diagrams, in the past we have posted announcements at
various places, and very often diagrams are aquired informally (for
example, OrigamiUSA members will pick up a few new works after attending a
foriegn convention). Right now, we are going through a bit of a growing
pain in this area. Although no offical requests for diagrams were posted
yet this year, we have over three times the amount of material needed, and
submissions are still comming in. This does not mean you should stop
sending us stuff, but just be a bit less surprized if it is not published.
As an editor, I should not feel bad that not everything is being published,
but I am seen the need for possibly another outlet for all of this great
material.

There were also some questions about The Paper. Right now, we have budgeted
space for 6 pages/issue. Personally, I would hate to see this become just a
magazine for just diagrams; the main point of it is to create an origami
community through its articles and stories. I think our new editor Debra
Nelson is doing a great job of this. As for the diagrams in the current
issue, I make no appologies for them. One of them is by myself (I was sort
of pushed into picking oner of my own models), and I thought it was a
pretty cool model. It is an abtract model of a pencil that is still very
recognizable. It also has a pretty neat folding sequence. The other model
is by Aaron Einbond, who continues to make wonderfull creations. The Sprit
of St.Louis model is one of his earlier works, and has not been published
for nearly a decade. Even at his young age, there are a lot of clever
elements to his model (I just recently stole his idea for the wheels for
one of my models).

Anyway, as always, I am happy to address any questions you might have.

Marc





From: Will and Dawn Krebs <krebs@SUNLINE.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:44
Subject: Yen and bill folding

        I recently had the good fortune of finding 15,000 yen in some boxes of
my brother-in-laws old navy stuff.  After confirming he did not want it,
I tried to exchange it for US dollars, but none of the banks in my area
will exchange yen.  Additionally, the bills I have appear to be
different from the currently circulated yen (according to several
websites showing pictures Bank of Japan issued yen) so I presume they
are of older issue.  Does anyone know if these are still worth anything,
and if they are does anyone have any ideas how I can spend my good
fortune (hopefully on origami)?

        If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific bill
diagrams (I have both 1,000 yen notes (16.2cm X 7.5cm, 6 3/8" X 3") and
5,000 yen notes (16.8cm X 8 cm, 6 5/8" X 3 3/16")?  Along these lines a
new thread I'd like to see is how prominant is money folding in other
countries outside the U.S.

                                        Yet another lurker stepping out of the
     shadows,
                                        Will Krebs
                                        krebs@sunline.net





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 14:59
Subject: Re: NO:ground hog day

>
>Try this one Quick.
>
>How much wood would a woodchuck chuck
>if a woodchuck would chuck wood ?
>

I had always heard it as:
If a woodchuck could chuck wood how much wood would a woodchuck chuck?

If a woodchuck could chuck wood, a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a
woodchuck could chuck.

Gillian
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Wendi Curtis <rebelgami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 15:01
Subject: Re: Yen and bill folding

Hello Will:
Try auctioning off a bill or two on e-bay.  If the bidding gets hot then you
might have something of importance.  Just a thought!
WC

>From: Will and Dawn Krebs <krebs@SUNLINE.NET>
>Reply-To: krebs@sunline.net
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Yen and bill folding
>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:33:46 -0500
>
>         I recently had the good fortune of finding 15,000 yen in some
>boxes of
>my brother-in-laws old navy stuff.  After confirming he did not want it,
>I tried to exchange it for US dollars, but none of the banks in my area
>will exchange yen.  Additionally, the bills I have appear to be
>different from the currently circulated yen (according to several
>websites showing pictures Bank of Japan issued yen) so I presume they
>are of older issue.  Does anyone know if these are still worth anything,
>and if they are does anyone have any ideas how I can spend my good
>fortune (hopefully on origami)?
>
>         If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific
>bill
>diagrams (I have both 1,000 yen notes (16.2cm X 7.5cm, 6 3/8" X 3") and
>5,000 yen notes (16.8cm X 8 cm, 6 5/8" X 3 3/16")?  Along these lines a
>new thread I'd like to see is how prominant is money folding in other
>countries outside the U.S.
>
>                                         Yet another lurker stepping out of
>the shadows,
>                                         Will Krebs
>                                         krebs@sunline.net

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 15:58
Subject: Re: Skillman's Jackstone

Steve Matheson, regarding the Jackstone diagrams, indited:

+                                                            Despite the
+nostalgic value the diagrams have I would vote for re-doing them. A fine
+model like the Jackstone deserves to presented in the best (and most
+accessible) possible light.

Well put, I agree.

It would be interesting to compare newer diagrams, side by side with
the old, but I expect there wouldn't be space for that.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 16:40
Subject: Re: OUSA diagrams

Marc Kirschenbaum, writing from the future ;-), indited:

+about diagram submissions to The Paer and for the Annual Collection. First
+of all, as far as submitting is concerned, the two are one and the same.
+Some people have specified their work should be for a particular
+publication, but most go into the same pool.

I'm glad you made that explicit.

+                   Although no offical requests for diagrams were posted
+yet this year, we have over three times the amount of material needed, and
+submissions are still comming in.

As the Annual collection has grown in thickness, I'm wondering
when will it have to be issued in two parts (to be usuable)? Might it
also be possible to have a second publication during the year, say in
late November?  Granted there wouldn't be a convention to tie it to,
but frankly 95+% of the models in the collection are not taught at the
convention for that year anyways.

I would certainly sign up now for an OUSA "collections" memberhip,
which would give me the June/Convention collection as well as an end of
year collection.

        (Note to BOS: I would love to be able do the same with your two
        collections per year, rather than having to pester on someone
        local to get them for me).

I know, this would mean more work for the volunteers, which is probably
the biggest reason it won't happen. My only "solution" for that is to
say that with the glut of diagrams OUSA has now, they should be in the
nice position of being able to produce books in advance of
distribution, as the "wait for last minute submissions" should not be a
scheduling issue. To me, that would make the labor less intensive per
unit-time. (I don't know if/how I would be able to help, but it would
certainly help me help OUSA if I could go to the OUSA web site and see
what kinds of out-town volunteers could be useful.)

+There were also some questions about The Paper. Right now, we have budgeted
+space for 6 pages/issue. Personally, I would hate to see this become just a
+magazine for just diagrams; the main point of it is to create an origami
+community through its articles and stories.

I agree... I think The Paper has a community building role to play, and I
hope it can do that.

-D'gou





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 16:59
Subject: Skillman's Jackstone & OUSA diagrams

I last did the Jackstone many years ago. Alice Grey recommended that you use
a knitting needle to help open up the model by putting pressure on the
inside.

Back in the olden days, when CHAOS was first founded, Craig Macdonald send a
Jackstone to Kathleen O'Regan since she wanted to see one. After folding a
perfect Jackstone from 10 inch paper, he stomped on it and then he was able
to insert it in a standard business envelop. It is this sense of humor, that
got the Chicago group named Chaos.

Also, many years ago, I was diagram editor of the FOCA newsletter. I was
limited to three models an issue. While submissions came in periodically,
many were gotten through personal contact. There is a lot of effort put into
doing diagrams and they do not come easy. It would take me at least 3 hours
to do a page of diagrams - not counting set up time. The time was pretty
standard since complex folds had few diagrams per page verses simple models
which have more steps per page.

I know that the Convention book and the Paper diagrams are now pooled. Most
people do not realize the work involved. The models are diagramed and then
"proofed" or checked by volunteers, and then revised if necessary, before
publication. This is a very labor intensive activity. The only joy in
diagramming models is joy that they bring to the folders.

I was the first to diagram Verdi's Vase. I got some flack for calling it
Verdi's Vase since it was a traditional Chinese model collected by Philip
Shen. Verdi was Lillian Oppenheimers companion. He could be charactised as
one of the Grumpy Old Men. He had a warm heart. Whenever someone visited
Lillian he would teach that model. After he died, I wanted to diagram the
model since it had not been diagramed up to that point. I think that it was
Gay Merrill Gross who upon reviewing Verdi's notebooks discovered that it
was a traditional Chinese Model. Since then, I have seen Paul Jackson and
the Biddle's include it in their books.

I have been told since I did the diagrams for the FOCA newsletter that the
copyright to the diagrams is mine. If someone wants to scan it and put it on
the web, I have no objections as long as it is non-profit and makes mention
that it first appeared in FOCA newsletter issue ???.

Mark Kennedy





From: "<Jason Ng>" <PhantomJN@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 17:00
Subject: What is Skillman's JACKSTONE???

I love new foldign challenges and from the sounds of this one, it seems to be
a difficult one, but sounds like fun...can anyone tell me what it is and
where i can find diagrams?  Thank You...
                                                Kin-Wai





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: 30 Jan 2000 18:08
Subject: NO tongue twister

Thoki Yenn wrote:

Try this one Quick.

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck
if a woodchuck would chuck wood?

I don't know, but...

Can you imagine an imaginary menagerie owner managing an imaginary menagerie?

Andrew





From: Alice MacDonald <amacd@BMI.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 18:30
Subject: Origami Sightings

Just saw the the movie "Snow Falling on Cedars" (it's a mystery/love story
involving Japanese Americans set in the Pacific Northwest during WWII) and
there was a scene that had strings of hanging paper cranes in the
background. Good movie, much better book!
The front cover of the AIMS (Activities Integrating Math & Science &
Technology) catalog has a cool Killer Whale. This educational foundation
promotes hands-on investigations for children, and has included origami
activities in the past.





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 18:57
Subject: The Paper:)

Greetings:

I didn't mind the lack of diagrams in this issue about Origami By Children.
I liked the bios of the Shumakovs and the one about Marc K. and I really
liked the crossword puzzle that was included because I do one crossword a
day in the local news and really enjoyed doing one that included stuff
about my favorite hobby.  Ofcourse, I didn't like waiting for it any more
than the people who complained about it on the list, but it had enough
redeeming value to it for me to say something positive about it!  The Paper
wasn't all that disappointing for me and besides I have more than enough
diagrams from the annuals and other sources to keep me folding for a life
time!

Just my two cents,
Ria Sutter





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 20:50
Subject: Re: Yen and bill folding

>         If I don't spend the money, does anyone know of any yen specific bill
> diagrams

I designed a Koi that first was designed out of a US dollar.  One of my
friends recently returned from Japan and had with her a crisp 1000 yen
note.  The Koi turned out SO much better out of the yen.  The size made
for better proportions and the coloring gave it a marine look.

Sorry to say, as with most of my designs, it is not diagrammed, although I
plan to put it on display in upcoming conventions.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 21:14
Subject: NO: Woodchuck Tongue twister

If that's too hard, try this:

How many boards could the Mongols hoard
If the Mongol hordes got bored?

(From a Calvin & Hobbes comic; certainly copyrighted, so don't quote me.)

-Elise

>Try this one Quick.
>
>How much wood would a woodchuck chuck
>if a woodchuck would chuck wood ?
>
>Greetings
>
>Kalmon looking at his shadow
>and going back to bed





From: Deg Farrelly <StickmanAZ@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 21:14
Subject: 4th Class/First Class Mail and The Paper

There have been some comments about the slowness of 4th Class mail in
delivering The Paper from OUSA.

Remember that OUSA gives subscribers the opportunity to request First Class
mailings of the newsletter by paying a slightly higher annual membership fee.

This higher fee pays for the First Class postage.

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 21:26
Subject: Re: NO: Woodchuck Tongue twister

Ok...here is my favorite...Try saying twice (no need to say it fast:-)
Try saying without looking at the screen.

The big black bug bled black blood.

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Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 22:33
Subject: No: Re: philosophy of Re: NO: Woodchuck Tongue twister

I've always found that the secret to doing a toungue twister is to imagine
the images and actions of its words, and pretend that you're a sportscaster
on radio describiing it, or Spiro Agnew. My favorite is; I'm a pheasant
plucker and a pheasant plucker's son, and I'll be plucking pleasant
pheasants 'til the pheasant plucking's done, or; I'm not a pheasant plucker,
I'm a pheasant plucker's mate, and I'm only plucking pheasant's 'cuz the
pheasant plucker's late. Usually I just string the two together in that
order. All the best - c!!!

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      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 22:46
Subject: Re: Origami Sightings

In a message dated 1/30/00 3:31:50 PM, amacd@BMI.NET writes:

<< Good movie, much better book! >>

It was a better book! -more fish descriptions and mood of the
water that helped with understanding the isolation of the fisherman's
life.
In the movie Ishmael also had two cranes folded from one sheet, love birds
that he was saving in the book. That was neat! It kind of implied that she
had given them to him.
Kelly





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 30 Jan 2000 22:48
Subject: Tongue Twisters (NO)

Message text written by Origami List
>I'm a pheasant
plucker and a pheasant plucker's son, and I'll be plucking pleasant
pheasants 'til the pheasant plucking's done, or; I'm not a pheasant
plucker,
I'm a pheasant plucker's mate, and I'm only plucking pheasant's 'cuz the
pheasant plucker's late.<

I recall hearing that, empirically (though by what statistics, I don't
know), the hardest English-language tongue twister is:

The sixth sheik's sixth sheep's sick.

...though for sheer, annoying brevity, try saying

Bugs' black blood

...three times in rapid succesion, or saying

Toy boat

...ten times in rapid succession!

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