




From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 05:27
Subject: ADMIN Changes.  Also - Origami and Spirituality. Part One.

Dear Fellow Subscribers,

Thank you all for your good wishes for my recovery. I feel touched and
overwhelmed that so many of you should have expressed your concern.

I'm pleased to say I'm making a good recovery. It was a fairly routine
operation (the sort you don't talk about in too much detail!) and after one
of two minor hiccups, I now feel fine. But now there is so much to do, so I
hope that I may be forgiven if I do not write a personal note to everyone who
has sent his or her good wishes. I send my sincere thanks to one and all.

Joseph points out that he is setting the guillotine at 250 lines. I'm not
sure what a "line" means in this context. I'm often puzzled by the way some
texts come through as a mixture of long lines and short lines, whereas others
apparently automatically adjust to the standard line of e-mail (if there is
such a standard line). I vaguely understand that this is something to do with
"wrap-round", but how it works, I do not understand. (I find that with age
one is less able to handle complexity. Perhaps this is one reason why younger
folders go for complex models while those of us who are older find our
delight in comparatively simpler models.)

Anyway, the 250 lines that Joseph proposes would seem to be adequate for the
sort or messages I usually send to Origami-L (Incidentally, can we continue
to call it that?) and if it isn't, I can always split my posting into two.

Just before Christmas I was asked by a private correspondent who was
proposing to give some paperfolding classes into which she hoped to introduce
the idea of the spiritual and she asked if I could help by providing
references in books and articles to Origami and Spirituality.  I was surprise
that I found this request much more difficult than I should have expected and
I couldn't think of anything written directly about the spirituality of
Origami. If I am merely having a mental blank, then will someone please tell
me and let me have the references that elude me?

I provided a few general references which might help (like the introduction
to Peter Engel's "Folding the Universe"), but I ended by writing something
myself. I thought it might be of interest to subscribers to Origami-L, so
here it is. Perhaps it will test whether or not I exceed the limit of 250
lines! If it does get the chop, I can always try again.

I regard this very much as an initial, experimental piece. It is clearly very
uneven, but I shall be grateful if you will let me know what I have
misconceived, where I have gone wrong and what I have overlooked.

A Very Happy New Year, New Century and New Millennium to each and every one
of you!

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com

(PS. After trying to count lines, I fear that the total of my message may
perhaps exceed 250 lines, so I will send it in two parts. Regard this as an
experiment. Presumably lines of space count as lines just as much as lins of
text?)

                     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ORIGAMI  AND THE  SPIRITUAL

        He showed me a little thing the size of a hazelnut
in the palm of my hand, and it was as round as a ball.
I looked at it with my mind's eye and thought,
'What can this be?'  And the answer came,
'It is all that is made.

            Dame Julian of Norwich.
                            `          (born 1342)

I have been asked to write about Origami and the Spiritual but I have to
admit that it is something I have not really considered before. I have
occasionally come across references which been made to Zen and paperfolding
and that is all.

One would think, at first sight, that there should be little connection
between spiritual values and paperfolding. Paperfolding is essentially just a
hobby or a craft; perhaps, even, an art. How can recreational manipulation of
paper possibly have spiritual values? Indeed, casting my mind over the now
extensive literature of paperfolding, I cannot think of anything has been
written, at any rate in the West which makes any profound link between
paperfolding and theology or even between paperfolding and  philosophy,

However, if we consider the matter in more general terms, it is wholly
accepted that paperfolding as we practise it in mainstream Origami is firmly
based in geometry. Mathematics determines its every form and process.  And
does not mathematics  disclose the very Mind of God?

I place an ordinary piece of square origami paper before me. What do I see?
At one level I see no more than a piece of paper, a thin compression of plant
fibres. But what else do I see? I see the square of paper twisting and
turning itself until the semblance of a bird  emerges from the paper to stand
before me.  And then the bird dissolves again and I am left with my original
sheet of paper, now seemingly imprinted with crease lines which form a
curious geometrical pattern. Is the bird or its form still residing there in
the paper? Was it there before the paper took the shape of the bird? Did it
exist as a Platonic Idea? Or do these ideas exist only in my own mind? But
surely I did not invent the mathematical patterns. Where did they come from
if not from God?

There is, too, beauty in paperfolding. Only a very few paperfolders have the
gift to impart timeless beauty and life to their models. But some of the very
greatest do, and not least of them, Akira Yoshizawa. In his younger days,
Yoshizawa studied as a Buddhist priest. Before he folds he prays and he tries
to understand the very spirit of the creature he is creating by studying its
nature, its muscular form and its temperament. By immersing himself in the
creature he may be said to become the creature itself, so that when he folds
it he breathes into it its own life and spirit.

Abstract forms, too, have a timeless beauty.  Paul Jackson has stressed the
importance of folding just one or two creases of utter simplicity. Folding
does not have to be complex to be meaningful and beautiful. John Smith
devised his "Pure Land" folding to make origami possible for handicapped
people, but in doing so he discovered a new kind of simplicity of folding. He
named it "Pure Land" because it used only simple valley and mountain folds.
"Pure Land" also happened to be the name of an Eastern Philosophy.

Even in the West, symbolism pervades the whole of our consciousness and all
that we do. During the past 150 years or so, psychologists have analysed our
dreams and mythologies and have sought to uncover the depths of our conscious
and unconscious minds. Freudian and Jungian symbolism has thrown new light on
the way we look at ourselves and our hopes and fears. We have to acknowledge
that if this is true, then this higher kind of symbolism inevitably pervades
all our paperfolding.

However hidden within our folding this higher symbolism may be, it is a
symbolism of a lower order that is more readily identified with our
paperfolding. We fold a butterfly to capture the joy of spring, the miracle
of metamorphosis, the wonder of life, and the joy of freedom. We fold a rose
to enjoy the beauty of its structure and perhaps to share in nature's
creation of something which emerges from a close bud to become one of the
glories of nature. In some way our crease pattern is an echo of the intricacy
of the DNA which steers the internal folding of the petals before they emerge
to display their inspiring beauty for so brief an instant before its petals
fall. Then we realise that although the petals of our paper rose will never
fall, our own flower is but a shadow of the real rose.

Or we fold a dragon to depict a symbol of the power and the terror that
threatens us or the fears that dwell within us. We fold a star as a sign of
our hopes and aspirations. We fold a nativity scene to symbolise New Life and
for those of us who are Christians, our hope in the Word made Flesh.

So, in the West, although there may be no explicit relationship between
paperfolding and the spiritual, the relationship is still there because it is
implicit and we find it wherever we look.

In the East things are a little different, but not very much. The Eastern
religions and philosophies are less rooted in historical events than the
Western religions.  Symbolism, on the other hand is more explicit in the
east. Paper (of the modern kind) was invented in China and was further
developed in Japan. In Japan, paper itself has become a symbol. About the
time that the Buddhists introduced their religion into Japan, they also
brought with them their sacred scriptures. It was necessary that the
scriptures should be written on paper and the only paper that could be
considered worthy of bearing the sacred words was the purest white paper and
the finest that could be made. For this reason, Buddhism endowed the Japanese
with a sacred regard for paper that they have never lost, even in the modern
age of machine-made paper. For the Buddhist the symbolism is in the paper
itself and they have few symbols which require the paper to be actually
folded.

As a contrast, Shinto, the ancient religion of Japan, which today happily
coexists with Buddhism, used more symbolic forms.. Shinto was born out of the
numinous spirits of nature, where divinity resided in every tree and stone.
It became traditional to mark off especially sacred areas with a sacred rope
or shimenawa, to which symbolic bundles of rice straw were attached and
o-shide  which were cut and folded zigzags of white paper. The o-shide marked
the imminence of the spirit of the place of tree of rock and ultimately, as
religion developed,  of the presence of the deity. Inside the shrine itself
there is a staff to the head of which is attached a cluster of O-shide-like
zigzagged papers. This is the gohei, an instrument which is used in
ceremonies of purification and in which the deity of the temple is held to
reside,

There was, however another factor which encouraged the Japanese to associate
paper with divinity. The Japanese word for "paper" is pronounced "kami". The
word for God (originally it applied to the spirit or divinity which pervaded
every kind of object) was a different written character, but it, too, was
pronounced "kami". Although there is no essential confusion between the two
separate words, the fact that they are both pronounced "kami" has led the
Japanese to make a symbolic or poetical association between the two, a sort
of play on words and has helped to preserve and confirm the great respect
that the Japanese have for paper.

                  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Continued in Part Two, to follow.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 05:29
Subject: Origami and Spirituality Part Two.

Origami and The Spiritual,  continued. Part Two.

The earliest symbolic paper folds of the Japanese are the Mecho and Ocho
butterflies which have come to be associated with Japanese traditional
weddings. Apparently dating from the Heian era, they are the earliest
examples of Japanese paperfolding that have any semblance of recreational
origami, although they are really for decoration, not for play. However, they
are not so much connected with the wedding itself as with the ceremonial
drinking by the bride and groom of sake or rice wine, which formed part of
the wedding ceremony. In its origin, a wedding was a family ceremony which
did not specifically involve the Shinto religion, although nowadays
traditional weddings are often celebrated in Shinto shrines. It appears that
the butterflies originated as modified forms of the paper covers tied over
the necks of the flasks holding the sake used in the ceremony. The creases
became formalised and eventually evolved into the butterflies.

Whatever their origins,  the Mecho and Ocho butterflies are potently symbolic
of marriage and of the happiness that everyone hopes for the young couple.
They bring to us visions of two butterflies in carefree abandon chasing each
other on a garden of flowers. In our hearts we know that the carefree days
cannot continue for ever, but we pray and hope that love and true happiness
will endure through a long life together for the bride and groom.

Many traditional symbols have been translated by the Japanese into the
traditional paper birds, animals and plants that they fold.. Two of the most
frequently occurring are the tortoise and the crane, which both symbolise
long life. They appear in many forms and, for instance, woven in basketry,
they are sometimes used to decorate wooden kegs of sake. They are also folded
so that they stand on the Horaizan, a sacred mountain which is the utopian
land of perennial youth and immortality and the abode of happiness. The
horaizan reminds us of the sacred Mount Fuji, which is regarded by the
Japanese as the abode of the gods.

The traditional meaning of the crane has always been long life and therefore,
happiness. Cranes are folded and sent to sick people to express a wish for
their recovery. The folded paper crane has been one of the most enduring
features of Japanese origami and every Japanese learns to fold it as a child.
Since the year 1945, however, its symbolism has become subtly changed.

Every paperfolder knows the story of Sadako, the little girl who was present
in Hiroshima when the first atomic bomb was dropped on a human population.
Sadako survived the immediate explosion, but then, when she was aged twelve,
she began to suffer from radiation sickness. It is a traditional Japanese
belief that if a sick person should fold a thousand paper cranes then he or
she will get better. So Sadako began to fold paper cranes. After a time,
however, her health did not improve and she began to realise that she would
not get better. So instead of folding for herself, she began to fold for
other children who were similarly afflicted. Each crane she folded became a
prayer.

It is said that she told each crane as she folded it: "I will write Peace on
your wings and you will fly all over the world". So her prayer became not
only a prayer for healing and happiness, but also for Peace.

Sadako did not live to fold all of her thousand cranes and her school friends
completed the task. One version of the story is that they buried them with
her. But Sadako's prayer for life was answered because her story of Sadako
and that of her school friends came to the knowledge of the whole of Japan
and a fund was created to build an institute for the treatment of victims of
radiation sickness. So the paper crane became a symbol of peace and
reconciliation. In the West as well as in Japan children and grown-ups will
often decide fold a thousand cranes as a prayer for the recovery of someone
who is sick or to send to the Peace Park at Hiroshima in memory of the horror
that took place there and as a prayer for Peace. But still today people still
fold a thousand cranes in the old way as a symbol of long life and of
happiness.

I began by referring to references which have been made to Zen and
paperfolding. Because Zen Buddhism has become so well-known (if not
well-understood) in the West, it is perhaps natural that should be a tendency
to associate everything Japanese with Zen. But Zen is only one sect of
Buddhism and itself it has different schools. Described with misleading
brevity, Zen is the pursuit of enlightenment through discipline and
meditation. A disciple of Zen seeks attain enlightenment by emptying  his
mind of all rational thoughts.

It is not easy to see how this to see how this relates to paperfolding.
However, the study of Zen was adopted by the Samurai warriors to enhance
their skills with weapons and in fighting. Zen has also been applied to many
other activities including flower arranging, the tea ceremony No drama,
landscaping and literature. It is not surprising that in the same way
paperfolders have sought to enhance their practice of origami by applying
themselves to the study of Zen.  The late Eric Kenneway wrote a short piece
about Zen with which to conclude his book, "Complete Origami" (1987). Sadly,
he died before the book was published but he had, in fact, already decided to
delete his article on Zen. His editor thought the better of this and so the
short article on Zen stands printed in Eric's book as it was published. Eric
wrote: "To a few paperfolders the oneness of the square of paper (which has
the capacity to become all creatures, interdependent because the square
always remains a square) symbolises their belief in the harmony of the
universe and the presence of the Buddha-nature in all things"

The Italian, Vittorio-Maria Brandoni, who founded a school of origami based
on Zen principles believed that origami should not just express and "empty
aestheticism", but rather an attitude to life and nature. Just as the
practice of contemplation in Zen leads to enlightenment, so folding in the
right way should lead to a "waking up" of our minds and hearts. But, he adds,
origami is only folding paper - he who wants to understand it just has to
start .

The most famous exponent of Zen who was also a paperfolder was Kosho
Uchiyama, who died in March 1998. Both Kosho's father Michio and his
grandmother were distinguished  paperfolders. Kosho's own work was published
in a series of books, notably "Origami" (1962) and "Pure Origami" (1979).
Just how far Kosho's origami was influenced by his Zen Buddhism must be a
matter of opinion. But we have to accept that many of his creations reflect
not so much the enlightenment of Zen as the joy of childhood folding., It is
difficult and perhaps impudent of anyone not versed in Zen to venture an
opinion, but and we should guard against any suggestion that childhood
folding is not enlightened folding.

We do not have to be followers of Zen to realise that our own folding can be
an encouragement to meditation. Many folders have discovered this as they
have  folded multiple copies of identical modules for a modular creation or
folded cranes as part of a  thousand to be given to a sick person or to be
sent to hang before the statue of Sadako in the Peace park at Hiroshima. As
we fold, our fingers are occupied without require mental application and the
repetition has the effect of liberating our minds. The folding acts like a
mantra which frees our spirit for prayer and meditation. This is one of the
most potent links between paperfolding and spirituality and In a way we are
ourselves experiencing a liberation akin to that of Zen Buddhism.

So, once more, I look at the plain square of paper in front of me. And I find
that it is no longer a mere piece of paper. I find that it has is a magic
casement through which I can gaze at  enchanted landscapes and pass to worlds
of a higher experience and spiriuality. So, I recall the words of William
Blake:

"To see a World in  grain of sand,
And Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour."

Blake's words are an echo of those of Dame Julian with which I began this
piece. Is not our grain of sand, our hazelnut just a simple square of paper?

David Lister.





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 05:57
Subject: Re: [NO]Origami Heart

---------------
   I missed the string on the Origami Heart.        ...a little
         -RPLSMN-
---------------
The string is an illustration: no origami, but you can make a real Dicentra
(flower)
by using things you can buy in a flower-shop.
If you like I can show you how to make the flower more look-alike.
I have to make a drawing (on Pepi's homepage) I don't know enough English :)

xxxxxelsje
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 06:22
Subject: No Fold Origami

I'm not quite sure what Clare Chamberlain is seeking in her posting earlier
today under the heading "No Fold Origami", but I'll have a try at helping her.

If ever there were an oxymoron (a lovely word), surely, "No Fold Origami"
must be it!

Nevertheless, every minimalist idea in origami points unamiguously to one
person,  none other than John S. Smith. He it was who invented Pure Land
Origami. He also gave the name "Jacksonian Folding" to the kind of minimalist
folding advocated by Paul Jackson (two or three creases not extending to the
edge of the paper, viewed in a strong side light.) (Paul, incidentaly is not
enamoured of the term.) John invented the term "Curio Folding" for that kind
of folding where the conformation of creases induces curves in the paper.
(CURve Induced Origami - get it?) And John has encouraged us to fold models
with the minimum of creases: five, four, three, two or even just one crease.
We had a competition at a BOS Convention for such models a year of two ago.
There is a multiplicity of minimalicity.

Is that the end of John's ingenuity? No, he has persued logic to its bitter
end and he has come up with "No Fold Origami". He has privately produced a
little booklet of things that can be done with a sheet of paper without
creasing it. A sort of Cheshire Cat of Paperfolding? Or Folding to Limits?

It's not for me to disclose the contents of John's booklet, but perhaps John
will, himself, throw more light on this Paperfolding of the Minimalist
Future.

Specially for that Wicked Washi Waster of the West!

David Lister.





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 07:44
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie - back from the hunting

[crawling back from under the heap of books]
Some scottie models (except when mentioned, all use a single square, no cuts):

1) by Robert Neale in OUSA'92 [still available from OUSA]; very simple, 8 steps
2) by Stephen Weiss in Origami Zoo by Lang & Weiss [in print, St.Martin Press];
   intermediate, 3D, 17 steps
3) "seated scottie" by Neal Elias in Miscellaneous Folds [BOS booklet 34]
   intermediate, rough draft of diagrams
3 1/2) same as 3, slightly improved, much more detailed diagrams, in
  Secrets of Origami by Robert Harbin [in print, Dover]
4) "reclining scottie", a variation of 3, also in Secrets of Origami
5) by Yasuhiro Sano in Origami 1 by Sano; very easy and effective, just
   a narrow diamond (fish base with tucked  small flaps) and several
   reverse folds.
   I think "Origami Dogs" by Sano [available at Kim's Crane] is a revised
   and expanded edition of Origami 1, but don't know for certain
5 1/2) the same, in ORU Quarterly Folding Diagrams 1, as mentioned
   previously by Michael Janssen-Gibson
6) "puppy" by Javier Caboblanco, in OUSA'98 [available from OUSA], simple,
   scottie-like
7) by Edwin Corrie in Origami 3 by Corrie [BOS booklet 39]
8) by Fred Rohm in The World of Fred Rohm 1 [BOS booklet 49]
9) by Edwin Corrie in Animal Origami by Corrie [BOS booklet 26] <from an
   A4 sheet>
10) "dog" by Toshie Takahama in The Complete Origami Collection by Takahama
   [in print, Japan Publications] <two-piece, very scottie-like>
11) by Akira Yoshizawa in "Living Nature" (translation vary) by Yoshizawa
   [in print, Japanese, available at Sasuga, Kim's Crane and others],
   also mentioned by Michael <two-piece, very expressive>
12) by John Montroll in Origami Sculptures by Montroll [in print, Dover/
   Antroll]

References 12, 3 1/2 and 2 are probably the easiest to find; I'd highly
recommend any of them, or the Corrie booklets, or ORU 1, or Yoshizawa's
big book (despite the frightening price tag).

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 07:57
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

In a message dated 1/18/00 7:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes:

> > I want to make a point that it should be attachments only.  I would surely
>  > miss David's insightful treaties on various Origami subjects.  They may
be
>  > long, but full of quality.
============
>
>  Can't this be done by limiting based on file size rather than lines of
text?
>  Say, a five or six kb max.?
>

Unfortunately it cannot be. The listserv doesn't know about attachments; they
are emedded in the message and the listserv just forwards the whole message.
An attachment is really just a long message to the mail systems along the
way. It's only the mail reader program that recognizes an attachment as such.

Larry





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 08:13
Subject: Re: Origami future sighting

Rachel Katz, indited:

+Gay Merrill Gross taped a segment for the Martha Stewart show. They decided to
+show it as two separate segments the first of which is being shown on January
+25th at 9:00 A.M. U.S. Eastern Standard time on the C.B.S. network.

You Go Gay!

+This should be nice exposure for origami to the masses:)

Agreed. I am bemused to admit that my Father will probably see it
there. (My Mum sometimes watches, mostly not).

Speaking of origami on TV... I know DORIGAMI does shows for her local cable
company. DORIGAMI: Are those shows available to other local cable companies,
or are they considered too specific to your community to "let go"?

(I don't know if my local cable company would run them, seeing as they
weren't produced locally, but I figured I'd see if they would be
available before asking. And I'm asking publicly to deliberate suggest
the same idea to others.  ;-) ).

-D'gou





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 08:36
Subject: Re: (NO)g

is this origami? I thought you meant Oh! Mammy!
                                                   -Gov-





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 09:22
Subject: Re: Black Forest Cuckoo Clock

Actually, they're already diagrammed. Just needs to make some minor
corrections. I have a copy I received from an unnamed friend. Sure would
like to see them in an actual bound book though!

>From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Black Forest Cuckoo Clock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:51:58 -0700
>
>A while back Robert Lang talked about the problems of making the
>diagrams for his Black Forest Cuckoo Clock, stating that he could not
>afford to take the time to diagram it, however, if the price of SDLI
>stock went up to $200.00 then he could afford it.
>
>Well Robert, today SDLI closed above $208.00 again.
>
>So does this mean that you will be diagramming soon?
>
>Dave

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From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 09:43
Subject: Origami and Spirituality

THE SUPREME BEING, GOD by another name, is the MASTER FOLDER. We mortals
fold in 2, 3 and, some may even claim, 4 dimensions. THE SUPREME BEING
folds in many more dimensions.

In the beginning (before the Universe was created), there was only a blank
sheet of paper .....

Cheng Chit





From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@BCPL.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 09:45
Subject: Re: Crane Story (was Re: Forwarded Question)

There is a lovely picture book of this same folktale, the only major
difference is that it's at the pressure of a neighbor that the couple's
curiosity is so heightened that they peek into the weaving room.

The book is called The Crane Maiden  by Matsutani, Miyoko. 1968.

I used to tell this story a lot when I was working directly with
children. The illustrations are watercolors that blend so well with the
text if you are using it one on one, but the folktale stands on its own
without the illustrations.

Arlene Anderson
aanderso@bcpl.net





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 10:12
Subject: Re: No Fold Origami

No crease origami? -- Possible. No fold origami? -- Never!

For examples of "Curve Induced Origami" I invite you to:
http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit
courtesy of Eric Andersen.

Cheng Chit





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:41
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

> Altoid boxes also work well for carrying small paper.

Not only would they be unbreakable, but I bet they make the paper smell
goo, too! Imagine... peppermint smelling Christmas origami!

Has anyone tried that, btw? Using scent on origami? What would you use?
I wonder if you could keep from staining the paper...

Dee





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 12:43
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

Message text written by Origami List
>Has anyone tried that, btw? Using scent on origami? What would you use?
I wonder if you could keep from staining the paper...<

        I haven't tried it yet, but I always thought it'd be a neat idea to
wet-fold a rose using rose-petal water...

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From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 13:12
Subject: Scented Origami (was: Folding on the go)

> I haven't tried it yet, but I always thought it'd be a neat idea to
> wet-fold a rose using rose-petal water...

Jerry, good idea :-). You may also want to consider (if you've not already)
that many of the roses (K roses specifically come to mind) would allow you
to put some potpourri in the middle before doing the final lock.

Best wishes to all my scent-illating origami friends ;-),
Jeff





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 13:33
Subject: Re: [my photos of origami]

> comments most welcome.

Comment: WOW! I wanna be able to do all that too!

            Anine

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From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:08
Subject: Re: [Re: Origami Scottie?]

Julia Plffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH> wrote:
I've just looked up Collin Weber's models on Eric's Origami page at
www.paperfolding.com. They really are neat! I particularly liked the
Hummingbird and the Frog on a Lilypad. Keep it up, Collin!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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I can't find them... where to click?

Anine

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:30
Subject: Smelly-gami

Jerry D. Harris wrote:

>         I haven't tried it yet, but I always thought it'd be a neat idea to
> wet-fold a rose using rose-petal water...

Interesting idea. I must say that I envy those of you able to contemplate such
things, as I find that I am either allergic to, or just repulsed by, most
perfumey smells. Having to ride on public transportation behind/beside someone
wearing waaaaaaaaaay to much perfume/aftershave/body-par-fume. Blech. Almost
on par with stale cigarette smoke.

Now if there were a good Chocolate perfume, ah, now that would be something, a
dark brown or even black rose that smelt like Dark Chocolate.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Not wishing to stink up anyone's plans, just a gentle reminder to check with
any recipients of perfumed origami to make sure, as one would with the model
subject, colors, etc. that it would be appreciated/OK/etc.

Hey, I've got it, the perfect irony! Wet-Fold your favorite moth model using
cedar oil (or whatever the right chemical is) as the wetting agent, and use it
to keep real moths from eating your clothes in storage! Hee Hee Hee! (assuming
that the right chemical is non toxic to humans).

-D'gou





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:34
Subject: Re: Smelly-gami

>Hey, I've got it, the perfect irony! Wet-Fold your favorite moth model
using
>cedar oil (or whatever the right chemical is) as the wetting agent, and use
it
>to keep real moths from eating your clothes in storage!

Or, make a dozen white waterbomb bases, soak them in camphor, and assemble
them into an exploding cuboctahedron... a Moth Ball!!!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:49
Subject: Re: Origami future sighting

WRONG !   MARTHA STEWART IS EVIL !  Make no mistake gentle Origami folk,
Martha Stewart is some otherworldly fiend trying to change our everyday way
of thinking and doing things.

Underneath the thin patina of helpful tips and insightful miscellany is a
cunningly cruel beast.  The beast will be the death of us all.  Martha
Stewart infringes upon every past-time ranging from cooking, gardening,
carpentry, animal husbandry, decoupage, sewing, etc.  That list goes on, and
now includes origami.

That's right you guessed it.  With her simple paper cup and other such
humble origami models she seeks to invade our precious Origami-L and its
patrons.

DON'T BE DUPPED.  KEEP YOUR HEAD.  WE CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THIS TOGETHER!

WE MUST STAND UNITED !

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Katz [mailto:mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:51 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Origami future sighting

Gay Merrill Gross taped a segment for the Martha Stewart show. They decided
to
show it as two separate segments the first of which is being shown on
January
25th at 9:00 A.M. U.S. Eastern Standard time on the C.B.S. network.

The origami segment will follow the initial cooking segment and Gay will
show
the simple paper cup and some variations. On a future show, not yet
scheduled,
she will show the waterbomb and talk about various other models.

To find out about these shows, you can go to:

Http://www.marthastewart.com

This should be nice exposure for origami to the masses:)

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:49
Subject: Re: Smelly-gami

At 15:28 00/01/19 -0500, Doug Philips wrote:
>Now if there were a good Chocolate perfume, ah, now that would be something, a
>dark brown or even black rose that smelt like Dark Chocolate.
>Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Sure. You've heard of Cocoa by Chanel, right? >8)

>Hey, I've got it, the perfect irony! Wet-Fold your favorite moth model using
>cedar oil (or whatever the right chemical is) as the wetting agent, and use it
>to keep real moths from eating your clothes in storage! Hee Hee Hee! (assuming
>that the right chemical is non toxic to humans).

Dissolve some moth balls in water, and there you go! (Don't try this at home
     kids...)
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:53
Subject: Re: Origami future sighting

At 15:04 00/01/19 -0600, you wrote:
>WRONG !   MARTHA STEWART IS EVIL !

You mean "Martha Stole-It"? 8)

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From: elaina_quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:01
Subject: Re: Strange question

I have been folding now fairly consistenly (and by that, except when I was
pregnant and those first weeks, I had to work 2 jobs to make sure I had
things and was plain too tired to do it) for 8 years.  I got my first book
from a friend, and have seince gotten acollection.  I fold mainly for my
little sister, who is 4 so right now that stuff is really neat, and I do
more of the simple folds.  On occasion I do more elaborate things, like a
pianiast from Montroll I believe, or once I did the viking ship from him as
well.  Usually I stick with more practical things like boxes, wallets and
the like, but I also like the flora and fauna.  When I am done, they make
noce everlasting bouquets for the old folks in homes that have few
decorations, and are at least more sturdy than real ones.

Elaina L. Quackenbush
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From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:18
Subject: Re: Smelly-gami

I'm in the same boat as Doug, in terms of allergic reaction to most
fragrances. It's actually a struggle to even find non-scented versions of
most household products! Many folks have these allergies but are not
aware of what is making them feel poorly too.

But I do think that if a model or paper were kept in a box with actual
natural rose petals, that the smell absorbed would be fairly innoccuous
to me personally.

Ron Arruda





From: elaina_quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:21
Subject: Re: When to share origami?(long)

I am probably opening a can of worms here and probably getting more heat
than what I want but... With the topic of who should we share origami and
what they do determine if the origami society should let them in (and I may
be wrong on seeing it this way, I frequently am), where do you draw the
line?  Is it just for highly educated people, for people who grasp the
higher "Art" of origami (and I know I read the last string about art vs. ART
::ducks from that::)?  Do you shun the truck driver down the road who likes
it because he is not genteel enough, or the waitress that folds for her
customer's kids at a table?  I am not trying to say that Ng is on par with
the average working blue collar family, but it is a different lifestyle, so
to speak, and if you refuse men like him from it, then will it to go to the
ranks of someone deciding that so and so isn't good enough either?

I fall into a category, whereas I am not stupid, I am also not a scientist,
although I do write SF when I feel like it.  I barely graduated HS ( and on
the honors program, but my god was that dull), I work frequently as a
waitress in truck stops, mostly because my dad is a teamster, and I can deal
wirth them, when my welder fiance isn't supporting me.  I am blue collar to
the core, and vastly different form most, if not all, on this list.  But
when you start drawing a line on the society at whole, don't you lose
something someone lse can offer.

Ok, I'm through rambling now.  Thanks for listening.
Elaina L. Quackenbush
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From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:33
Subject: Re: Strange question

Not a very strange questions really!

I love to read biographical details about others, so here's my bit:

I've been folding for over 30 years, since I was 20 or so. I came across
Harbin's 1-2-3-4 books in those early years and still have my original
stained and raggedly copies. I've never been too big on representational
models, neither on those that are too complicated. I like geometrics, flying
things, boxes and stars. I'm currently in a "hat mania", and am making lots
of them from what are normally open-topped box folds. I like making stuff
from triangles and pentagons: odd numbers are cool.

Like lots of folks, the crane was one of the first things I folded, and
it retains a very special place in my heart, for its peace associations
as much as anything. The "well", Harbin 2 I think, is one I use a lot and
love. I make tiny little lampshades out of them for Christmas lights.

I like to teach to new people and see than turn on to something I love.
I'm not really a "creator", but I try not to feel second class about it!

Ron Arruda





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:06
Subject: Re: Folding on the go/scented origami

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>

> Has anyone tried that, btw? Using scent on origami? What would you use?
> I wonder if you could keep from staining the paper...
>
> Dee
>

I gave my girlfriend a origami piece when we first started
dating that was sprayed with my cologne.
She still has fond memorys of it. (and is still with me to this day!)

Joe





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:09
Subject: Re: Folding on the go/scented origami

Rob Hudson, take note:

>I gave my girlfriend a origami piece when we first started
>dating that was sprayed with my cologne.
>She still has fond memories of it. (and is still with me to this day!)

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:16
Subject: Re: Dragons

> << Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
> > my Japanese is nonexistent. >>
>
> The address for the Nippon Origami Association is:
>
> Nippon Origami Association
> 2-064 Domir Gobancho, 12 Gobancho
> Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 102-0076, Japan

How much does the Jan 2000 issue cost?





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:52
Subject: Re: Origami future sighting

I must agree to some extent with this statement.  About four years
ago while watching Oprah (a USA TV talk show host) Martha Stewart
was the featured guest.  I and the studio audience could not believe
it when Martha continued to say throughout the hour long interview
that she did EVERYTHING herself!  Of course the audience boohooed
her royal!  About a year later she stated in published interviews,
she now had to hire help to assist her in her many projects.  Since
then I have never trusted her.
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane

"Askinazi, Brett" wrote:
>
> WRONG !   MARTHA STEWART IS EVIL !  Make no mistake gentle Origami folk,
> Martha Stewart is some otherworldly fiend trying to change our everyday way
> of thinking and doing things.
>
> Underneath the thin patina of helpful tips and insightful miscellany is a
> cunningly cruel beast.  The beast will be the death of us all.  Martha
> Stewart infringes upon every past-time ranging from cooking, gardening,
> carpentry, animal husbandry, decoupage, sewing, etc.  That list goes on, and
> now includes origami.
>
> That's right you guessed it.  With her simple paper cup and other such
> humble origami models she seeks to invade our precious Origami-L and its
> patrons.
>
> DON'T BE DUPPED.  KEEP YOUR HEAD.  WE CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THIS TOGETHER!
>
> WE MUST STAND UNITED !
>
> Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Katz [mailto:mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:51 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Origami future sighting
>
> Gay Merrill Gross taped a segment for the Martha Stewart show. They decided
> to
> show it as two separate segments the first of which is being shown on
> January
> 25th at 9:00 A.M. U.S. Eastern Standard time on the C.B.S. network.
>
> The origami segment will follow the initial cooking segment and Gay will
> show
> the simple paper cup and some variations. On a future show, not yet
> scheduled,
> she will show the waterbomb and talk about various other models.
>
> To find out about these shows, you can go to:
>
> Http://www.marthastewart.com
>
> This should be nice exposure for origami to the masses:)
>
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 18:26
Subject: Folding on the go/scented origami

>From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>

> Rob Hudson, take note:
>
>snip<
> Scott scram@landmarknet.net
>

Scott,
It won't do him much good if he has not learned how to fold his bunnies yet.
:-)

Joe

For those of you who are confused see archives,
Subject: A plea to Robert Lang-- bunnies!





From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 18:45
Subject: Re: Ng

Someone mentioned letter of authenticity in the selling of Mg's folding...I
wonder if his "letter of authenticity" is simply a note sent along with the
folded piece...saying whatever...and signed by NG....

personally...(flame me if you will) ...I would still like to see his
foldings...

and I add this on the subject of authenticity:

I saw on eBay...a partial bottle of dandruff shampoo and a towel from Bob
Dylan's hotel room...scored by the housekeeper...who gave a "letter of
authenticity" saying that the shampoo was left by Bob...and the towel he
threw at her playfully...and she swore before a notary that she did indeed
get these things from his room...(which doesn't necessarily make it true)
...and that was his certificate of authenticity....

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
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From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 18:53
Subject: Re: Speaking of Martha Stewart

I recently had an origami book on the Bay for auction...and one of the
bidders (the first one actually) was someone from MarthaStewart.com...
think it's her?

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 18:54
Subject: Re: no fold origami

I believe Kenneway has a few suggestions, but (DRAT!!) I've lent the book
out. One was a one fold flapping bird. It's not one fold, but I think Lang's
white faced mouse is a fine and minimal model. All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 19:00
Subject: Re: Speaking of Martha Stewart

At 18:52 00/01/19 -0500, you wrote:
 >I recently had an origami book on the Bay for auction...and one of the
 >bidders (the first one actually) was someone from MarthaStewart.com...
 >think it's her?

Of course not! She wouldn't do that herself. She's got a staff to handle
everything for her, because "it's a good thing".  8)

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 19:15
Subject: Re: Strange Question.

I too like to read these things, so I'll ante up...

I have been folding for 6 years. I did fold when I was a kid, fortune tellers,
masu boxes, paper airplanes. Didn't know it was called origami then, didn't
care.

I fold every day, from 30-120 minutes during the week, 1-10 hours over the
weekend. Those are averages.

You can search the archives for "top ten" (top 10?) lists.

But I don't fold from my top 10 list most of the time.

I tend to fold two different classes of things:
        Old standbys I fold so I don't forget how.
        Current favorite(s) because they've caught my focus somehow.

The old standbys are not necessarily on my top 10 list, but they are tried and
true good models regardless:
        Rachel Katz' $bill shirt
        Kawasaki's Rose from Origami for the Connoisseur
        Neale's Dragon from The Flapping Bird
        Fred Rohm's $bill Star of David, from Making More with Money and other
     OUSA
publications.
        Fred Rohm's Turkey from Best of Origami
        Traditional 4 blintz "Water Flower"
        Traditional frog base Lily
        Tom Stamm's Dragon from his OUSA booklet
        Momotani's Koala from one of the Biddles' books.
        (hmmm, who was it that said they keep a list of the models
         they have memorized? I should do that too!)
        Anita Barbour's Mute Swan
        Joseph Wu's When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly from Mark Morden's website
        Joseph Wu's Snowflake from his website
        Lewis Simon's Snowflake from Create Life with Creative Origami, VIII

My current favorites/obsessions are:
        Eric Joisel's Un Rat from a BOS booklet #<memory fault!>
        John Montroll's Swan from Bringing Origami to Life

-D'gou





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 19:20
Subject: Re: [Re: Origami Scottie?]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Anine Cleve wrote:

>I can't find them... where to click?
>
>Anine

Click on "diagrams" at paperfolding.com.

Incidentally, I get lots of emails from people complaining that they can't
find the place on my site that teaches them how to learn origami. Many of
them probably don't understand the word "diagrams", and some don't even
understand "instructions". Any other ideas about how to label this page?

-Eric :-P
origami@netspace.org

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From: Shawn Allen <gpovey@CABLEREGINA.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 19:29
Subject: Re: Speaking of Martha Stewart

I was looking for a model of a volkswagen beetle but could not find one.  I
ended up making a 2-d one from a water bomb base.  Is there any
similar/exactly the same designs out there?    Shawn.





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 20:23
Subject: Re: strange question

I was happy to see Carlos list the cocker spaniel from Dokuhon 2 as among
his favourite models. This model is a delight to fold, as each step
directly contributes to the look of the end result. Actually re-reading
that sentence, I feel like I am stating the obvious (of *course* each fold
contributes to the finished look ;-}). What I mean is, the model is
created from a series of crimps and reverse folds, and the placement of
each fold directly affects the proportions of the final model (it may help
to add here that there are no specific landmarks for crease placement, as
is the case with most of Yoshizawa's work).

I found the very "obviousness" of each fold re: affecting proportion to be
very enlightening and educational. You are not so much following a series
of set steps to complete the model, rather you are expressing the animal using
personal judgement, relying more on your "eye" for the final form. I guess
this cuts to the heart of Yoshizawa's skill, but it was one of the first
times I felt I was sharing his approach to model creation.

regards
Michael

ps. yes, Dokuhon 2 is "flavour of the month" for me ;-}

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From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 20:52
Subject: addenum to cocker spaniel

Ooops. Forgot to mention that I believe John Marcolina has a photo of the
aforementioned dog on his wonderful website:

http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/

This appears to be the same dog taught by Michael LaFosse at the West
Coast convention last year (though I could easily be wrong)

regards
Michael

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From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 21:29
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

"Jerry D. Harris" wrote:
>
> Message text written by Origami List
> >Has anyone tried that, btw? Using scent on origami? What would you use?
> I wonder if you could keep from staining the paper...<
>
>         I haven't tried it yet, but I always thought it'd be a neat idea to
> wet-fold a rose using rose-petal water...

My daughter uses rose oil and only a tiny bit in the center of the rose.

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

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Icq 23622644





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 21:37
Subject: Re: Strange question

Elaina, you mean Lang!  Not Montroll!!  In the pianist and viking ship
models, those are from that cool Origami book by Lang.  I have never seen
similar models by Montroll either.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 21:37
Subject: Re: Strange Question.

That reminds me: now that most of the people who wanted Bringing Origami to
Life have it, what do you think?

David





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 22:35
Subject: Re: When to share origami?

Yikes, it's Doug, with a fresh supply of questions!   ;-))

Back in June of 1999, Ronald Koh wrote:

"When I examine Charles' origami, I see a gentle and caring side to the
man. It seems painfully amazing that this same man has now been found
guilty of the most heinous of crimes that man can commit against man. He
remains answerable to society for his deeds, and to God. I would like to
remember him as a man who is able to appreciate the wonders of origami
and be able to fold the models, which are still with me, as well as the
most practised origamists, within the harsh environment of Folsom
Prison."

Aren't we romanticising origami and the people who fold?  Just because a
mass murderer does origami, does that make him gentle and caring?  Would
we confer Ng with tender qualities if he listened to Chopin waltzes all
day?   I do not wish to remember Ng as a man who is able to appreciate
the wonders of origami when the families and friends of his victims will
spend the rest of their lives remembering him as the homicidal monster
who murdered their loved ones.

Now let me ask you a hypothetical question, Doug.  If Adolf Hitler had
been apprehended and wrote you from prison, would you feel compelled to
send him paper and diagrams because sharing is the way of origami?

Dorothy





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 19 Jan 2000 23:05
Subject: Re: Black Forest Cuckoo Clock

Dave wrote:
>>>>
A while back Robert Lang talked about the problems of making the
diagrams for his Black Forest Cuckoo Clock, stating that he could not
afford to take the time to diagram it, however, if the price of SDLI
stock went up to $200.00 then he could afford it.

Well Robert, today SDLI closed above $208.00 again.

So does this mean that you will be diagramming soon?
<<<<

Well, I was hoping that a stock split would take the price down before it hit
$200 and get me off the hook, but I guess you folks bid it up too quickly.
Okay, I'll go finish them up. But see if you can take it to $300, okay?

Robert





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 23:17
Subject: Re: Smelly-gami

In a message dated 1/19/00 12:34:38 PM, dwp@TRANSARC.COM writes:

<< Now if there were a good Chocolate perfume, ah, now that would be
something, a
dark brown or even black rose that smelt like Dark Chocolate. >>

Before perfume, women used to use vanilla. Vanilla origami would be nice.
In fact, maybe, "a good thing!" :)!
Kelly





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 20 Jan 2000 00:26
Subject: Re: no fold origami

http://www.mizushobai.freeserve.co.uk/ozzone.htm
Scoff no more...... no-fold ori (NOFO) is alive and well.  Not only is the
wonderful OZ site outlined above a great source of inspiration (thanks to
Marion Riley), but we can all become great creators...

I, myself have created red dingo in red dust; view from last jeep in convoy
on dirt road; and puddle reflecting the Great Sandy Desert, toddler in
sand-pit; all from a single sheet of muddy-orange paper.  I am afraid I
haven't got around to diagramming all this yet, but you never know.   Now to
the beach with my yellow and blue paper...  And how about designing
tablecloths, sails, sheets, models of origami paper......

Alas, dearly beloved, at this point the Wild West Washi Waster was dragged
into an awaiting ambulance by men in white coats and has not been seen
again......
