




From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:26
Subject: ADMIN: Change made to this list

There have been a number of problems perceived with this list lately. Here's
what's being done about them.

1. Embedded HTML in message.

   The list server has no provision for filtering these out. Sorry.

2. Large attached files.

   I'm experimenting with a message size limit. Please let me know if you
have any trouble with this. It will result in large messages being rejected.

3. "Spam". Several complaints have come to me about recent off-topic
discussions (i.e. Charles Ng), and requests have been made to filter out
messages containing certain keywords.

   Again, the list server has no provision for filtering these out. Sorry.

4. Long "ASCII-art" at the end of messages.

   Same answer as 1 and 3.

So the answer is this: Please be conscientious list members, and try to make
sure that your messages do not contain HTML and do not contain large amounts
of "extra" information. Please try to stay on topic (that's "origami",
remember?). Debate and disagreements are fine, but let's leave out the
personal attacks. On the flip side, be patient with those who accidentally
or naively do one of these things.

One more change has been made to the list: messages sent to the list still
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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:41
Subject: Re: Strange question

Not a strange question - kind of interesting.
I have been folding off and on since I was a kid. Now I fold on an
intermittent basis - simple things at least once or twice a week, but a new
model or challenge possibly only every few months. I need more time!!!!

Gillian
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From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:41
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

>
>I also find that a small plastic box (like you find paper clips or
>thumbtacks in) helps keep the paper all together in a coat pocket (or in
>my case purse)...
>
>Dee

Altoid boxes also work well for carrying small paper.  Right now, I'm
carrying one with 1.5" paper and making Mette rings out of it.  I like them
for on the go folding because they are flat and easy to get home.  Then,
later, I mail them to people.  The finished modules fit nicely in the
Altoids box, too.

I have also carried a pack of 3" paper of various sorts, chosen out of a
lot of different packs and carried in the envelope some of it came in.  Or
six inch paper, depending on whether I had a purse a backpack or just my
pockets that day.  While travelling, I carried small patterned paper for
blossoms, larger brown for stems, and small green for leaves, and gave away
a lot of flower assemblies.

Anna

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:41
Subject: Re: Best Books

For Medium to hard models, in a great variety of styles, I like Kasahara's
Origami for the Connoisseur and Origami Omnibus.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:41
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

>This type of box is called a lapdesk, and was fairly common in the US among
>well to do colonials.  Or anytime thereafter in the days when they still
>used Quills and ink as writing utensils that require you to write on a
>sturdy flat surface.  Usually they had also a recess or 2 on the top to
>place quills and cylindrical hole for a bottle of ink.
>
>Brett

Levenger carries some things close to this.  You might check out
www.levenger.com.  There are other sources, too.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:58
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

>>Hatori Koshiro, replying to my query about the text associated with the
>>
>>> It sometimes contains hints, sometimes not. In my opinion, however,
>>> the hints are not important. If you can fold the models, you can

IMHO unless you photocopy the pattern and directly fold the copy, the
very first step poses the most boring problem: determining the
proportions. For instance, does that important crease A go exactly
1.5 longer than crease B, or it just _looks_ like that? - it
could be, e.g., square root(2) (or even worse, a RAT fold). In a small
pattern, deciding whether the author intends 1.5 or 1.4142 can be
at least tedious. Since usually the very first creases determine
the remaining proportions, either text notes or a few landmarks
would be helpful. Something like:
       .       .     .     .  .
       |       |      \     \ |
 ...___|_______|_______\_____\|

       <-- 1/5 paper size --->

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:06
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

I've just looked up Collin Weber's models on Eric's Origami page at
www.paperfolding.com. They really are neat! I particularly liked the
Hummingbird and the Frog on a Lilypad. Keep it up, Collin!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:14
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: HTML code embedding

Well, I turned off my HTML and MIME and RichTextFormat codes and my computer
didn't blow up or get a bug - nothing happened on my side, but I believe
things got better on the receivers' side (well, most of them, I hope!)
What does happen when I get a message with an HTML attachment is that I get
the message twice, one within the other. I admit it is annoying.
By the way, has anyone got attachments from me recently when I posted
messages to the O-List? I'd appreciate feedback.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:57
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

> I am very curious to know, for the crease pattern challenge part of the
> Origami Tanteidan (the impossible that Hatori Koshiro refers to?)...
> Does the text (which is in Japanese) contains hints, instructions, or
> anything else that might help one collapse the crease pattern, or does
> it just contains history/background/etc. about the model.

It sometimes contains hints, sometimes not. In my opinion, however,
the hints are not important. If you can fold the models, you can
without the text.

It IS possible to fold them, at least for very advanced folders.
I'll give some general tips here.

1) Use as large paper as possible.
2) Fold firmly when precrease. Precreasing both mountain and valley
   will make the collapsing process easier.
3) Some creases are omitted in the crease patterns. They are folded
   spontaneously when you collapse.
4) Collapse the center area first, then go on to the raw-edge.
5) Sometimes you must make acrobatic moves.

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: "Dragonia Radar Freedom, C.S." <modonnel@JETSTREAM.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:45
Subject: Re: Origami Heart

Here are the two main replies I got from the original inquiry:
-----------------------------
Elsje vd Ploeg wrote:
I made a heart for you on my website:
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/21_hearts_double.html
-----------------------------
Kellydunn2@AOL.COM wrote:
Origami Hearts by Francis Ow has many hearts.
My favorite in the book is "Heart on Pyramid." It's a heart that
stands up with a triangle pyramid back. It has always been popular
when I have given them to people because then the person can sit
it next to them during the night, or later have it standing on a shelf.
It's easy to make.
Kelly
-----------------------------
That's it.

RPlsmn@AOL.COM wrote:

>    I missed the string on the Origami Heart.        ...a little help?.....
>                                                           -RPLSMN-





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:47
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: HTML code embedding

Julia,
I haven't noticed any attachments on your messages.

Gillian
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From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:49
Subject: Forwarded Question

Can someone answer this question? Please answer directly to jolson ...

-------- Original Message --------

Commentaar=Hei Skol !  Found your page while researching folklore tales
relative to origami. In particular, I know there is a tale about the
Japanese Crane that is done so much in origami. The tale is about a poor
hunter and his wife and the hunter freeing a crane from a net and being
rewarded. I would love to have a copy of the story for my young niece
who is always folding the crane as gifts for people. Any help would be
appreciated.

E-mail=jolson@oanet.com

Locatie=Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Naam=Jim





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:10
Subject: Re: Forwarded Question

At 20:47 00/01/18 +0100, you wrote:
>Can someone answer this question? Please answer directly to jolson ...
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>
>Commentaar=Hei Skol !  Found your page while researching folklore tales
>relative to origami. In particular, I know there is a tale about the
>Japanese Crane that is done so much in origami. The tale is about a poor
>hunter and his wife and the hunter freeing a crane from a net and being
>rewarded. I would love to have a copy of the story for my young niece
>who is always folding the crane as gifts for people. Any help would be
>appreciated.

This person contacted me via my web page and I have answered him directly.
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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:15
Subject: Thanks

>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?
>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:05:32 -0800
>
>Hey Collin not bad, not bad at all!  I'm sorry I doubted you before you had
>diagrams available.  Your models are good.
>
>David

Thanks for the complement.  I am  glad to hear that people like my work and
I promise to keep adding more of my models as I get around to diagramming
them.  I would also like to thank Eric Anderson again for hosting my
diagrams on his wonderful sight.

Thanks
Collin Weber

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:36
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

One last change to the list:

There were a few instances of people signing others onto the list by faking
their email addresses. Now, subscription requests will require new
subscribers to confirm their requests by responding to a message from the
server.

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:40
Subject: Re: Dragons

>Oh go on, rub it in, you know it's out of print :(

Uh no!  What are you talking about Andrew it's still in print, even Origami
for the Enthusiast is still in print.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:42
Subject: Re: Strange question

You know what Chris I have not folded Engel's alligator.  What paper do you
use?  Do you dry or wet fold it?  Any hints, I think I'll give it a whirl
in a day or two.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:44
Subject: Re: (long) Re: Strange question/Best Books

Hey Carlos, I agree with what you said about what is best.  That's why I
myself in another email addressed the question of hardest since I thought
that was what really was asked, and in the past email I told my favorites.
Sometimes I wonder why the word best was even evented, it's so hard to use
truthfully.

David

ps I'm really glad to see that you, Nick and Chris replying to this thread.





From: Xuxu Rojas <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:48
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

>There were a few instances of people signing others onto the list by faking
>their email addresses. Now, subscription requests will require new
>subscribers to confirm their requests by responding to a message from the
>server.

Thank you.

Xuxu Rojas





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:53
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

At 15:47 00/01/18 -0500, you wrote:
> >There were a few instances of people signing others onto the list by faking
> >their email addresses. Now, subscription requests will require new
> >subscribers to confirm their requests by responding to a message from the
> >server.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Xuxu Rojas

You're welcome, Scott. ;)
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From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:55
Subject: Re: Issei Yoshino's horse

Hi Gurpreet.

I saw Tomoko Fuse and Anibal Vojer folding this horse ant the last CDO
convention, november 1999. It was a game. We was divided in two teams
and Tomoko was our official folder. She folded the horse while we
answered some questions concerning origami. I don't reveal who won :)
but we enjoyed very very much to see these two great folders making
the horse.
Anyway, I've the book so I try to help you because I've folded it many
time.

Gurpreet Renoata wrote:
>
> hi everybody
>
> Could someone provide some guidance on folding the horse
> which stands proud on the cover of Issei Yoshino's Super
> Complex Origami.
>
> 1. Step No.63 (page 84) does not have any fold lines just
> some information in japanese about some layers on the
> horse's inside. Could someone translate the japanese or offer
> guidance on what's being indicated.
>From 62 to 63 you must pull up the two beside layers. Well, step 63
tell you (I think, I don't read japanese) to pull up the two layers
(one for each side) inside the horse with and at the same time of the
two main beside layers (62 to 63). Notice that "at the same time" is
important because the two little layers inside are forcing to tear a
little inside layer. I know my english is terrible, sorry. I try to
semplify my description: you must not make plain the main fold (step
62) without have pull up the inside layers.

> My horse always has proportions different to the one on the cover
> so i guess that these steps are crucial. Please help.

These steps are not crucial for the proportions, in my knowledge. I've
folded approx ten horses and I've understood htat are crucial the
exactness of each fold with many attention the steps 60-61, 67-68.
These steps seem OK if all precedent steps are made exactly.

Bye,
Lorenzo

 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:55
Subject: Re: monkeys

Didn't Yoshizawa do a mother and baby monkey?

David





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:59
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

Joseph Wu sez:

>>Xuxu Rojas
>
>You're welcome, Scott. ;)

    Next time I'll remember to use a remailer. ;-P

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 16:24
Subject: Crane Story (was Re: Forwarded Question)

At 12:04 00/01/18 -0800, I wrote:
>At 20:47 00/01/18 +0100, you wrote:
> >relative to origami. In particular, I know there is a tale about the
> >Japanese Crane that is done so much in origami. The tale is about a poor
> >hunter and his wife and the hunter freeing a crane from a net and being
> >rewarded. I would love to have a copy of the story for my young niece
>
>This person contacted me via my web page and I have answered him directly.

I've been asked to provide this information to this list, so here goes.

The story is called "tsuru no ongaeshi" or "The Crane's Gratitude". It is
often mis-translated as "The Crane Wife" because some versions of the story
have the crane becoming the wife of the hunter. I prefer "The Grateful
Crane" as an English title.

One version of the story can be found here:
<http://www.cyberdirect.com/actondirect/jlCrane.html>

I've also done an animated origami version of the story which can be found
here: <http://www.paperfold.com>. You will need a fast Internet connection,
Netscape 4.x, and the Flash plug-in to view it. Look under "Orimation" in
the menu. There's also a short essay on the culture of Japan at the time
that the story is set.

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From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 16:35
Subject: Re: Serial killer

I could be wrong...but my thought on the selling of Ng's folded piece is...

 he sent the piece to this guy...who then decided to offer it up as serial
killer art...

could be Ng sent him the folding as thanks for paper or diagrams or
whatever...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton

Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
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From: Dr Paul Slater <Paul@WASHI.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 17:15
Subject: Ticket Folding - finding supplies...

Hi Everyone,

I have been playing around with ticket folding, but finding a supply of
material can be a problem. Especially as I have become used to UK rail
tickets (approx. 55mm x  85mm, very thin card). Unfortunately, British
Rail can be funny about giving away used tickets, unless they have been
punched holier than a sieve.

Does anyone know or can suggest a source of "mock" tickets?

With very best folding wishes,
Paul

(link to some diagrams to hopefully follow shortly)





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 17:17
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

I'm sorry I haven't felt able to contribute recently. I have been in hospital
and am still  trying to get on top of my correspondence and reply to private
letters before exploring new avenues. I apologise to everyone who is waiting
to hear from me.

On the Administration of the List, Joseph Wu Makes the following suggestion
(inter alia):

> 2. Large attached files.
>  I'm experimenting with a message size limit. Please let me know if you
>  have any trouble with this. It will result in large messages being
rejected.

This seems ambiguous and I'm not sure what it means. Is the limitation on
size proposed to apply to attachments or is it intended to apply to the
actual primary messages?

I understood that it was considered undesirable to make attachments to
postings. Because of this, I have always posted my longer pieces in plain
text as part of my primary messages. In fact, I suppose that as much as
anyone I have written very long messages. If therefore there is to be a
limitation of length, it will mean that I shall no longer be able to send
such postings. No doubt some subscribers would be pleased about this, but I
know others appreciate what I write and would miss my pieces.

One alternative would be to upload my pieces to some Web site. But this would
not be the same thing. It would lose the immediacy of what are usually merely
long contributions to current themes.

I shall be grateful for clarification.

David Lister.





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 17:21
Subject: Re: Serial killer

Just a thought:

As much controversy as this topic has caused, it is STILL about origami, most
notably origami culture an ethics.  The topics were clearly delineated (NG),
and although the arguments became a bit heated, I have to say this is one of
the most fascinating legitimate threads we've seen!  Sure beats a copyright
discussion any day (query- can NG be prosecuted in prison from claiming
someone else's origami works as his own?)





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 17:35
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

At 17:16 00/01/18 -0500, David Lister wrote:
 >I'm sorry I haven't felt able to contribute recently. I have been in hospital
 >and am still  trying to get on top of my correspondence and reply to private
 >letters before exploring new avenues. I apologise to everyone who is waiting
 >to hear from me.

David, I'm sorry to hear that you've been in hospital. I hope that all is
well (and that you are, also!).

 >On the Administration of the List, Joseph Wu Makes the following suggestion
 >(inter alia):
 >
 >> 2. Large attached files.
 >>  I'm experimenting with a message size limit. Please let me know if you
 >>  have any trouble with this. It will result in large messages being
 >>  rejected.
 >
 >This seems ambiguous and I'm not sure what it means. Is the limitation on
 >size proposed to apply to attachments or is it intended to apply to the
 >actual primary messages?

The ListServer software does not make a distinction between the two (text
and attachments), so I can only implement a restriction on overall message
size.

 >I understood that it was considered undesirable to make attachments to
 >postings. Because of this, I have always posted my longer pieces in plain
 >text as part of my primary messages. In fact, I suppose that as much as
 >anyone I have written very long messages. If therefore there is to be a
 >limitation of length, it will mean that I shall no longer be able to send
 >such postings. No doubt some subscribers would be pleased about this, but I
 >know others appreciate what I write and would miss my pieces.

I've always been a fan of your messages, David, and I apologise if it seemed
that I was imposing some sort of censorship on you!

 >One alternative would be to upload my pieces to some Web site. But this would
 >not be the same thing. It would lose the immediacy of what are usually merely
 >long contributions to current themes.

Nick has been doing a great job of making your words available on the BOS
website, and this should continue. But so should the posting of messages to
this list. I'll do what I can to ensure that you will have no difficulties
doing so.

I've arbitrarily set the message size limit to 250 lines of text for now.
Any messages  longer than that should be refused by the server. I had
thought that 250 lines would cover any text message we could possibly want,
but, like I said, this was arbitrary and experimental. If it is not enough,
let me know and I'll increase the limit. (This message, for example,
including the quoted lines, is just over 50 lines long.) The added benefit
to this is that it will weed out those messages that quote an entire digest,
since digests are set to be sent whenever the server receives 1000 lines of
message text.

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From: Dr Paul Slater <Paul@WASHI.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 17:54
Subject: Temporary site for ticket action model diagrams

With respect to an earlier message regarding ticket folding:
Some hand drawn diagrams can be found at:

www.washi.demon.co.uk/flexicubes.htm

This site is temporary as I only have limited space to play with.
Enjoy!

Paul.





From: Allen Parry <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:13
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

> David Lister wrote:

> This seems ambiguous and I'm not sure what it means. Is the limitation on
> size proposed to apply to attachments or is it intended to apply to the
> actual primary messages?

I want to make a point that it should be attachments only.  I would surely
miss David's insightful treaties on various Origami subjects.  They may be
long, but full of quality.

David, keep up the excellent writings and we wish you a speedy recovery.

Take care,

Allen Parry





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:14
Subject: ADMIN: Change made to this list

Joseph,

In regard to the complaints you received about recent off-topic
discussions (i.e. Charles Ng)....

Since sharing goes to the very heart of our credo as paperfolders, I
feel it was very on-topic for me to question the appropriateness of
sending origami paper and diagrams to a mass murderer.

This thread has sparked some interesting discussions, e.g., the
rehabilitative and transformative aspects of origami.

Dorothy





From: Brian Cox <briancox@JKCC.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:19
Subject: Re: Dragon Balloons and fire breathing

The baby dragons in the balloons was do with a machine at a local gag shop
where they have a large selection of balloons for all occasions, from
twisters to gifts inside the balloons. The restriction is how large the
machine can open the mouth of the balloon. This one could open up a 8 in hex
shape hole, so the size was 8 in. from toe to head, wings and length were 12
in. Once inside open out the wings and seal

As for the Fire Breathing procedure, it can not be described as it comes
from the magic community and can not be revealed, but it is possible, ask
your local magic club members. for another look try:
http://www.whimsical-workshop.mb.ca/gallery.html
--------------------------------------------------------------
Whimsical Wizard
http://www.whimsical-workshop.mb.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:23
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

At 15:13 00/01/18 -0800, you wrote:
 >In regard to the complaints you received about recent off-topic
 >discussions (i.e. Charles Ng)....

 >Since sharing goes to the very heart of our credo as paperfolders, I
 >feel it was very on-topic for me to question the appropriateness of
 >sending origami paper and diagrams to a mass murderer.

 >This thread has sparked some interesting discussions, e.g., the
 >rehabilitative and transformative aspects of origami.

Yes, that's right. But the complaints pointed out that we veered very badly
off topic when we continued on to discussions about the US legal system and
about general ethics. Some of the rather personal attacks were also out of
line. I've been embroiled in some of these off-topic discussions, too,
though I've not been involved in this one. But let's try to keep things
civil here.

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From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:27
Subject: Origami Challenge (Was: Serial killer)

Rob Hudson wrote:
>
> Just a thought:
>
> As much controversy as this topic has caused, it is STILL about origami, most
> notably origami culture an ethics.  The topics were clearly delineated (NG),
> and although the arguments became a bit heated, I have to say this is one of
> the most fascinating legitimate threads we've seen!  Sure beats a copyright
> discussion any day (query- can NG be prosecuted in prison from claiming
> someone else's origami works as his own?)

I agree wholeheartedly.  And now that many emotionally expressed their
opinions on capital punishment, I would like to issue an origami
challenge:

Create a model that in some way expresses your view on Capital
Punishment.  One sheet of paper, no cuts.  Can it be done?

No, I'm perfectly serious on this one.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:31
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> 2. Large attached files.
>
>    I'm experimenting with a message size limit. Please let me know if you
> have any trouble with this. It will result in large messages being rejected.
>

One solution for David Lister and others that wish to send long messages
to the groups, is to sent them in multiple parts.

This would also foil those who like to quote entire messages, only to
reply "I agree" :)

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:39
Subject: NOA website (was Re: Dragons)

Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:

> I want to visit the website. =) Can you ive me the link? thank you

http://member.nifty.ne.jp/noanet/

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
In 1750 Issac Newton became discouraged when he fell up a flight of stairs.





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:01
Subject: Re: Origami Challenge (Was: Serial killer)

Easy  to accomplish AND diagram

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                            \ \ \ \ \
                             \  \ \ \ \

                                                                 (":)
                                                              (+^%$)
                                                           (-\=^%!<?)
                                                             (*$#~+)
                                                                (*^)

           \                               /

            \                             /

             \                           /

              \                         /

                \                      /

                 \                    /

                  --------------------

RPLSMN





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:19
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Parry" <parry@ESKIMO.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> > David Lister wrote:
> > This seems ambiguous and I'm not sure what it means. Is the limitation
on
> > size proposed to apply to attachments or is it intended to apply to the
> > actual primary messages?
> I want to make a point that it should be attachments only.  I would surely
> miss David's insightful treaties on various Origami subjects.  They may be
> long, but full of quality.
> David, keep up the excellent writings and we wish you a speedy recovery.
> Allen Parry

Can't this be done by limiting based on file size rather than lines of text?
Say, a five or six kb max.? On the issue of David, your posts have been
missed, and are always appreciated. Oh yeah, and while I'm spreading the
group love around--belated Happy Birthday to Thoki, my email was on the
fritz, and I found out about it ex post facto. All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:21
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

I'd like to second Allen's and other's comments regarding David's messages:

+I would surely miss David's insightful treaties on various Origami subjects.
+They may be long, but full of quality.

And I too am glad that Nick is archiving them on the BOS website.

+David, keep up the excellent writings and we wish you a speedy recovery.

Hear Hear!

Just a suggestion to Jospeh, though my guess is that you've already looked
into it, but might there be a way to limit messages based not on the total
number of lines, but on the total number of quoted lines?

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:27
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

At 16:15 00/01/18 -0800, Christopher Holt wrote:
 >Can't this be done by limiting based on file size rather than lines of text?
 >Say, a five or six kb max.? On the issue of David, your posts have been
 >missed, and are always appreciated. Oh yeah, and while I'm spreading the
 >group love around--belated Happy Birthday to Thoki, my email was on the
 >fritz, and I found out about it ex post facto. All the best - c!!!

At 19:19 00/01/18 -0500, Doug Philips wrote:
 >Just a suggestion to Jospeh, though my guess is that you've already looked
 >into it, but might there be a way to limit messages based not on the total
 >number of lines, but on the total number of quoted lines?

Nope. Believe me. I've been going through ListServer documentation all day
today (off and on...don't tell my boss). It is very weak on features that
deal with message content at all. Size restrictions must be done using line
count. Subject filtering does not exist. Content filtering does not exist. A
new version was released last year, but it did little to address these
issues. The point is moot anyway, since MIT has not upgraded to the new
version.

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:42
Subject: Re: Serial killer

bethstern wrote:
>
> I could be wrong...but my thought on the selling of Ng's folded piece is...
>
>  he sent the piece to this guy...who then decided to offer it up as serial
> killer art...

My impressions exactly, on this being a possibility.

However, I recall in an earlier thread on the auctioneering of Ng's
origami on eBay that the pieces offered came with some certification or
other on their authencity. If such authentication was made by Ng, then
it follows that Ng  was the direct supplier to eBay.
>

> could be Ng sent him the folding as thanks for paper or diagrams or
> whatever...

I believe those were the reasons Ng sent me a few foldings. I kept them
not because they were serial killer art, with market potential. I kept
them simply because they are, to me, pieces of art. Now that I have come
to know of Ng's crimes, they serve as reminders of the terrible,
mindless actions which only one specie in the animal kingdom is capable
of, if we allow our lives to be filled with self-service and hate.

Ron.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:42
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Rob Hudson wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm the rumour that Ng is, or was a member of Origami USA.

Ng was receiving then-current copies of the FOCA newsletter in 1993.
This does not serve as confirmation of his membership, although my
understanding is that current issues are available to members only
(could be wrong).

I know Ng was a member of BOS from another incidental source, but has
not renewed his membership for the past several years.

There was a posting by a BOS member a few months ago about a murderer on
Death Row wanting to correspond with paper folders - something like
that. And that was someone else.

Ron.





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:48
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

At 11:44 00/01/18 -0500, you wrote:
 >Can anyone confirm the rumour that Ng is, or was a member of Origami USA.

Yes, he was. I don't know if he still is or not.
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From: Ann Calabro <inchargemom@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:51
Subject: Re: Strange question

I am new to the list, so I don't mind answering.
I started origami back in grade school.  I picked it up again periodically
thoughout high school, and now I am doing it again at age 37!
( I am now readying myself to teach it to a small group of grade-schoolers)

I love the looks of the complicated patterns, but I never seem to get "into"
the craft enough to be able to do them.  I do enjoy making the blow-up box
toy, and the fortune teller, both of which I know by heart, and kids love
them.

Maybe I'll learn enough this time to do something a little more complex!

Ann

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From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 20:33
Subject: Re: (NO)g

Gov wrote [about Charles Ng, somewhat tongue-in-cheek]:

> Citizens are advised to rent "Silence of the Lambs" starring
> Anthony Hopkins (r) and Jody Foster (r)  to satisfy their interest
> in this mode of behavior.

Rather than renting the movie, read the book, in which you learn that
Hannibal Lecter, too, folds origami.





From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 20:58
Subject: affiliation with a society

It may be a matter of curiosity to some whether the murderer Ng is or was a
member of an origami society, but surely no reasonable person would make any
inferences about the societies (or origamists) from that.  Background checks
are not done.  You pay your money, you get the mailings.
John Wayne Gacy, the worst (known) serial murderer in US history, was active
in the Democrat machine of Chicago, held various party positions, and had
his picture taken proudly with Rosalynn (sp?) Carter at an important
function.  It would be just as ridiculous to blame the Democrats for Gacy.
I never heard any mention of that, and anyone who did would be out of line.
Now Matthias, if this riles you up, let's remember Joseph's admonition to be
civil to one another.
IM

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From: Steph and Mary <aktsinov@SONIC.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 21:10
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

--dropping lurker shields------

DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> I'm sorry I haven't felt able to contribute recently. I have been in hospital
> and am still  trying to get on top of my correspondence and reply to private
> letters before exploring new avenues.

Hope you are feeling better

>
>
> On the Administration of the List, Joseph Wu Makes the following suggestion
> (inter alia):
>
> <stuff deleted>
>
> This seems ambiguous and I'm not sure what it means. Is the limitation on
> size proposed to apply to attachments or is it intended to apply to the
> actual primary messages?
>
>
> I shall be grateful for clarification.
>
> David Lister.

Dear David-

Allow me to clarify the rules... You may post as log a message as you wish. If
the digest  gets too long, every post other than your will be sent to /dev/null.
;-)
Your posts add so much to the list, I often discuss them with other local
folders,  and we all save your posts to read again later.

To summarize: David Lister is encouraged to post as much and as often as he
wishes.

 Best regards,

  Mary Williams

---lurker shields now active----------





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 21:31
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Anine,

I agree that the 3rd tetrahedra is the hardest.

Folding this model was my goal for many years.  I thought it was beyond my
ability at one point.  However, after seeing a couple of 10 year olds at the
OUSA convention finish one off in one sitting without pulling out their
hair.... I decided that I must do it!

Keep trying.  It is definitely worth the effort!!!

My tip is to study the diagrams and use the same color paper that is in the
diagrams for your first model.  Good luck!  I know you can do it.

Patty





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 21:40
Subject: Re: Forwarded Question

Here are a few listings for crane-related storiues:

"The Crane Wife" includes illustrations in pen and ink and watercolor, with
no indication of any relation with the origami crane. In a Note to the
Reader in the back: "'The Crane Wife' is perhaps Japan's most loved
folktale.  It has been made into plays, movies, and even an opera.  Every
year thousands of Japanese will go to see some version of the story as well
as read it or tell it to their children."  [Retold by Odds Bodkin,
illustrated by Gennady Spirin, published by Gulliver Books, ISBN 0152014071]

"The Crane Maiden" tells of an old couple that take in a girl who comes to
them in a snow storm.  She weaves beautiful cloth for them as long as they
don't watch her weave.  Unfortunately, the wife gets curious and discovers a
beautiful crane at the loom plucking feathers from her body and weaving them
into the cloth.  After being seen, the girl can no longer weave or stay with
them. She goes through the door, turns into crane, and flies away.  [Written
by Miyoko Matsutani, illustrated by Chihiro Iwasaki copyright 1968 Parents
Magazine Press]  There is a similar version in a book called "Mysterious
Tales of Japan".  This is a collection of about 10 Japanese Folk Tales,
including the Crane Maiden.  [Written by Rafe Martin, illustrated by Tatsuro
Kiuchi, published by Putnam, ISBN 039922677X]

A book called "The Paper Crane" was featured on "The Reading Rainbow" PBS
television show.  It is illustrated with papercuts, collages, and photos of
origami cranes.  The story tells of a mysterious man who leaves an origami
crane in lieu of payment at a struggling restaurant.  The crane then brings
various kinds of good luck.  [Written by Molly Bang, William Morrow and
Company, ISBN 0688041086]

"Little Oh" is an origami girl who has come to life for her creator, a
lonely Japanese woman.  She is lost one day in a bustling market and ends up
chased by a hungry dog, floated down a foaming cataract in a teacup, and
flown homeward by a friendly crane.  A motherless boy finds her, and when he
and his father return Little Oh to her mother, the paper girl miraculously
becomes a human child, the man and woman fall in love and marry, and Little
Oh's family is complete.  [Written by Laura Krauss Melmed, illustrated by
Jim Lamarche, Lothrop Lee & Shepard, ISBN 0688142087]

----- Original Message -----
From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.NL>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:47 PM
Subject: Forwarded Question

> Can someone answer this question? Please answer directly to jolson ...
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Commentaar=Hei Skol !  Found your page while researching folklore tales
> relative to origami. In particular, I know there is a tale about the
> Japanese Crane that is done so much in origami. The tale is about a poor
> hunter and his wife and the hunter freeing a crane from a net and being
> rewarded. I would love to have a copy of the story for my young niece
> who is always folding the crane as gifts for people. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> E-mail=jolson@oanet.com
>
> Locatie=Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> Naam=Jim





From: "Llana L. Harmon" <llharmon@PRIMENET.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 21:53
Subject: Black Forest Cuckoo Clock

A while back Robert Lang talked about the problems of making the
diagrams for his Black Forest Cuckoo Clock, stating that he could not
afford to take the time to diagram it, however, if the price of SDLI
stock went up to $200.00 then he could afford it.

Well Robert, today SDLI closed above $208.00 again.

So does this mean that you will be diagramming soon?

Dave





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 22:54
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Change made to this list

I hope you feel better David.  Your insights make this list enjoyable.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 22:54
Subject: Re: Black Forest Cuckoo Clock

>A while back Robert Lang talked about the problems of making the
>diagrams for his Black Forest Cuckoo Clock, stating that he could not
>afford to take the time to diagram it, however, if the price of SDLI
>stock went up to $200.00 then he could afford it.
>
>Well Robert, today SDLI closed above $208.00 again.
>
>So does this mean that you will be diagramming soon?
>
>Dave

Persistant aren't we?

David (still working on those darn insects)





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 23:32
Subject: no fold origami

For the first time you mob have disappointed me ;-)

I put out a call last week for the link or name of a minimalist approach to
folding - I have searched the archives, but can't get what I want.  Late
last year (century), someone posted a link for 'alternative' origami
comprising few or even no folds.  I recall some US state maps (square - no
fold), the famous 2 fold arrow.  Not sure if Josephs 1 fold stegosaur was
there, but that's the type of stuff I mean.... As I have moved jobs, all my
favourites have been deleted!

As I am a simple soul, these simple models amuse me no end - could some kind
person out there - maybe Xuxu - help me in my pitiful plight.

Clare the sad and isolated Wicked Washi Waster of the West.......





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 23:53
Subject: Origami future sighting

Gay Merrill Gross taped a segment for the Martha Stewart show. They decided to
show it as two separate segments the first of which is being shown on January
25th at 9:00 A.M. U.S. Eastern Standard time on the C.B.S. network.

The origami segment will follow the initial cooking segment and Gay will show
the simple paper cup and some variations. On a future show, not yet scheduled,
she will show the waterbomb and talk about various other models.

To find out about these shows, you can go to:

Http://www.marthastewart.com

This should be nice exposure for origami to the masses:)

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 23:53
Subject: Re: NOA website (was Re: Dragons)

Thanks!
I am glad that taking Japanese is a great help in doing origami!

>From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: NOA website (was Re: Dragons)
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:51:45 -0500
>
>Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
> > I want to visit the website. =) Can you ive me the link? thank you
>
>http://member.nifty.ne.jp/noanet/
>
>--
>Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
>In 1750 Issac Newton became discouraged when he fell up a flight of stairs.

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From: Pete <pmiller@TIDALWAVE.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 01:07
Subject: Re: Strange question

I have been folding on and off for 17 years after I found Origami for the
Enthusiast in a book store. (More off than on.  25 years ago I was making
paper balloons and poppers which I guess also counts.)   I used to be a
computer operator on a night shift and would fold figures while waiting for
the many jobs to complete.  I would leave them on the desk for the day
person.  She would give them to her daugher who loved them.  I now have kids
and attempt to fold at least once a week.  (Often times it is at Burger King
with the tray paper.  The people working there wait until I leave then place
whatever I fold on the front counter.)  If I try before my 9 year old goes
to bed, she gets out her books and I spend all of my time assisting her.
 She has also taken over my computer, television, and now wants to get
involved in my latest hobby, pen making on a wood lathe.  I'm a lucky man.
Before long, it won't be cool to hang around with her dad.)  My 3 year old
also likes to fold paper.  He has a remarkable imagination, and a big
apetite for origami paper.
Some of my favorite folds are the Jack-in-the-Box from Kenneway's Complete
Origami, the standard lily, the Rose Cube by Valerie Vann, Montroll's
Hummingbird (which gets a lot of attention when folded from 2" paper), Paul
Jackson's Daffadil, the Rose from Origami for the Connoisseur, the Chinese
Vase, Pooping Dog on the CDO page, and various flowers  and the Vase from
Origami Flowers & Addendum by James Sakoda.
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 9:05 PM
Subject: Strange question

> This is going to sound like a very strange question, but here goes...
>
> How long have you been folding, and how often do you fold?  What are some
of
> your favorite things to fold?
>
> Curiously yours,
> Heather





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 01:16
Subject: When to share origami?

Dorothy Engleman indited:

+Since sharing goes to the very heart of our credo as paperfolders, I
+feel it was very on-topic for me to question the appropriateness of
+sending origami paper and diagrams to a mass murderer.

Is this really have anything to do with origami, or is it just to do
with mass murderers? To rephrase: Is there something about origami that
it alone of any of the arts/crafts should not be shared, or is it just
that no art/craft should be shared?

I never met or talked to Michal Shall, but I have heard that he had an
interesting philosophy, to paraphrase my poor 2nd hand memory: Origami
is for anyone at anytime. I understand he was a whirlwind of origami
teaching. Does anyone know if/how much he taught prisoners, or what his
views were about 'em? I ask because he seemed to be not only a larger
than life figure in the origami community, but because he influenced a
lot of people.

I think Dorothy has raised several slightly overlapping but different
questions:
    Should there be any restrictions on who(m) it is appropriate to
            share origami with?
    Should origami be shared just because someone has expressed an
            interest in it?
    Should the origami community be more active in spreading the word
            and/or action of sharing origami into the criminal
            justice system?
    If so, should that focus soley on victims?
    Is there a difference between refusing to share when directly
            asked, as in the case of Ng and refusing to initiate
            any sharing?

Personally, I find it hard to accord origami some magical special status
amongst the arts and crafts as a whole. And without that separation, these
questions are much less on topic.

Dorothy is right, sharing is at the core of the origami experience. But
it is not just sharing, its sharing with the directive for the learner
to share with others as well, and to pass on the manifest destiny of
sharing. It may be that amongst the arts and crafts that origami has a
particularly quick transition from being a learner to being a teacher.
Origami practice seems to encourage spot knowledge. If you know how to
fold a crane, you can teach someone else, by example if no other way.
This is a strong craft influence. Paint by numbers would be a good
analogy. Paint the crane by numbers and you can teach someone else to
do the same. No actual understanding of the model's geometry, the
interrelationship of the parts, etc. is _necessary_. So perhaps another
issue that Dorothy is raising is that by teaching origami to mass
murders we are dragging along this history of expecting the learner to
become a teacher, and thereby we are really asking if we want a mass
murderer to be an origami teacher?

-Daddy-o "Pondering over for tonight, sleep approaches." D'gou





From: Bill Clarke <llib@COMPUTER.ORG>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 02:22
Subject: my photos of origami

g'day all,

haven't posted here in a while, but since i've rearranged and updated my
origami photos on my home-page i thought some people might like to take
a look.

http://cslab.anu.edu.au/~bill/origami

including photos of:
- hull's five intersecting tetrahedra (small and large)
- maekawa's devil
- lang's biplane
- various twists and tesselations (including some diagrams)
- van goubergen's gecko and fly on a wall

comments most welcome.

cheers,
/lib
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From: Betty Hull <hull@WWICS.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 02:47
Subject: Re: Forwarded Question

Hey, Joseph, if you know the hunter story, how about
sharing it?!

Betty

----------
> From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Forwarded Question
> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:04 PM
>
> At 20:47 00/01/18 +0100, you wrote:
> >Can someone answer this question? Please answer directly to jolson ...
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >
> >Commentaar=Hei Skol !  Found your page while researching folklore tales
> >relative to origami. In particular, I know there is a tale about the
> >Japanese Crane that is done so much in origami. The tale is about a poor
> >hunter and his wife and the hunter freeing a crane from a net and being
> >rewarded. I would love to have a copy of the story for my young niece
> >who is always folding the crane as gifts for people. Any help would be
> >appreciated.
>
> This person contacted me via my web page and I have answered him
directly.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 03:08
Subject: Re: Dragons

Oops! I ought to read more carefully. I saw dragons and Mythical and then
everything blacked out ;)

I was thinking about Mythical Beings by J. Ansill (which has several dragons
too), I keep forgetting about the similar title by Montroll.

Anyhue, dragons abound! Just a case of finding them ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of david
> whitbeck
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:40 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dragons
>
>
> >Oh go on, rub it in, you know it's out of print :(
>
>
> Uh no!  What are you talking about Andrew it's still in print, even Origami
> for the Enthusiast is still in print.
>
> David





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 19 Jan 2000 03:52
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Definitely use different coloured paper for each tetrahedron, I tried an all
white one first and it was VERY difficult to see where the pieces should go.
I gave up on it and made a multicoloured one which was much easier (then I
went back and finished the all white one, it was easier once I knew how I
was supposed to do it).

I ended up giving the all white one to a friend who was off work ill for a
few weeks, its now the centre point of his living room and he says many of
his friends are amazed by it. (Its about the size of a football (soccer ball
to USA'ers..;-P)).

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        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM [mailto:ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM]
Sent: 19 January 2000 02:30
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Anine,

I agree that the 3rd tetrahedra is the hardest.

Folding this model was my goal for many years.  I thought it was beyond my
ability at one point.  However, after seeing a couple of 10 year olds at the
OUSA convention finish one off in one sitting without pulling out their
hair.... I decided that I must do it!

Keep trying.  It is definitely worth the effort!!!

My tip is to study the diagrams and use the same color paper that is in the
diagrams for your first model.  Good luck!  I know you can do it.

Patty
