




From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:27
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

> Dee Lynch indited:
>
> +I would be horrified if someone saw me folding, and perhaps because of
> +the notoriety of Ng folding in prison, said to me something like "Oh you
> +are doing origami like that serial killer." Sort of associating me with
> +him, through the folding.
> +
> +That is repugnant.

>From: Doug Philips
>
> I believe that you feel that way, but I don't understand it.
>
> I don't understand it on many levels.
> Why origami, and not "Oh, you breathe air just like... or Oh, you drink
> water just like... or Oh, you do cross-stitch just like... or Oh, you
> like the same music as.... or Oh, you use a spoon just like..."
>

I think the fact that all the people on this list derive great
joy and pleasure from origami goes without saying.
To them (and myself) origami is associated with good and
positive things.   What Ng did is not.
And Like it or not people do make associations.  For example,
the type of mustache Adolf Hitler wore is all but unused now
because of the association.

I do not think we have anything to wory about though.
Origami has strong positive associations.  Such as the crane with peace.

I personally do not care if Ng likes to fold and I hope it brings him some
peace.

But...,
I do mind him selling his works.  When people are judged guilty
and sentenced to prison they give up some rights.
I believe one of those rights should be the right to profit in any
way from their notoriety, be it money or fame.  Even if Ng does not
profit personally from his works I think it is wrong to pander to anyone
who would want to own a piece of memorabilia just because it is from a
convicted criminal (I think most people in society would agree).
This just helps to glorify what this man did and make him into a celebrity.
I could just see a kid (or adult) showing off his neat origami folded by
the famous killer Ng.  That same person would not be as excited if it was
folded by Joe Blow.  We as a society do not need to make criminals into
celebritys.  We have enough mixed up kids and adults in this world without
pandering to them.

Joe.

PS   Mike Kanarek,
        I am curious if you would agree with my statement about the selling
        of things by convicted criminals, since you have seen things from
        both sides.  I would not have a problem with the selling to raise
money
        for rehabilitation (a type of profit) if there was a way to do it
without it having
        a conection to the criminals.  I still think that they should not
profit personally
        in any way (fame, money, etc.).  The idea of rehabilitation for Ng
is a mute
        point though.  Rehabilitation is to prepare an inmate for usefull
employment
        or successful integration into society.  I do not think he will ever
get out.





From: Dor Jeong <DJeong1066@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:29
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 16 Jan 2000 to 17 Jan 2000 (#2000-1

i cannot open because aol says the file is too large.
this is the second time that i've tried downloading and
the file has been too large.  what do you suggest?





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:56
Subject: Re: Dragons

Hello, I have not decided which dragon to fold yet, but i only have the
diagram of Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon from the Paper.

>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Dragons
>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:21:28 -0800
>
>Hi Tiffany!  According to the rules you can.  What do you plan on folding?
>One of Montroll's, or Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon or a dragon in one of the
>convention books or magazines?  I myself have created a couple of dragons
>that look pathetic.  Has Kawahata created any dragons?  Happy folding:)
>
>David

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From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 23:05
Subject: Re: model of the month

Hi folks,

Sorry about that, but I made an error on the diagrams for the compact
Dragon, the 2 wonderful ladies I have check errors for me found it but I
didn't realize what they were talking about until I had to dig out my
diagrams to fold it myself and I found that I had one to many flaps on
the bottom of the top page (page 1)I think it was step 6. Anyway I just
finished repairing the error and put up the corrected copy.  Again I
apologize for any difficulty it may have caused.

Perry (been a bad month)
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 23:05
Subject: Re: Dragons

I want to visit the website. =) Can you ive me the link? thank you

Wing

>From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Dragons
>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:18:50 -0500
>
>Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM> writes:
>
> > Has anyone else seen the January Nippon Origami Association magazine
>no.293
> > for this January?  It's filled with dragons!! So, I think it's neat!
>
>Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
>my japanese is nonexistent.
>
>--
>Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
>She's so tough she won't take 'yes' for an answer.

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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 23:17
Subject: Dragon in HK

For the new Millenium, the Television Broadcast TVB channel in Hong Kong had
a show with different actors, actresses, and others. There was a part when
people danced a dragon made of paper.  It was instructed by the origami
organization in Hong Kong.
I wonder if that dragon will enter the contest.....but I am afraid that the
dragon has become a property of TVB.

Wing
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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 23:24
Subject: Re: Strange question

>This is going to sound like a very strange question, but here goes...
>
>How long have you been folding, and how often do you fold?  What are some
>of
>your favorite things to fold?
I think I began folding when I was about five when my neighbor let me borrow
her little Chinese origami book which I was told to keep (I still have it
with me).
I do origami whenever I have time.  I do it about four hours a week.  I
usually do one model repeatedly until it looks perfect.  The last model that
I have folded was the Dragon in Brilliant Origami.
My favorite thing to fold was used to be unit origami which I don't have to
use glue to fit them together.  But right now my favorite model is ....I
don't have one yet.
=-)

Wing

>Curiously yours,
>Heather

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 00:49
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I've been trying to formulate a reply to the many messages that have
followed since my last message on this topic. Papa Joe's message
managed to catch just the right feeling, so while I'm replying "to him"
I'm intending to reply to all of the other messages en passant.

Papa Joe indited:
+I think the fact that all the people on this list derive great
+joy and pleasure from origami goes without saying.

Unless they're spies from kirigami-l! ;-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist).

+To them (and myself) origami is associated with good and
+positive things.   What Ng did is not.

Agreed.

+And Like it or not people do make associations.  For example,
+the type of mustache Adolf Hitler wore is all but unused now
+because of the association.

You are correct. What I found so sad about Dee's remarks (they were
expressed by others too) was an attitude/feeling which was willing to
accede to the associations about origami, made by others, as more valid
than her own, and even worse, seemed to imply (though this may be me
reading more into it than was really there) that personal enjoyment of
origami could be strongly diminished as well.

Julia made a point about worrying about what other people think too
much, and as far as that goes I agree. I would go even further and say
that we could attempt to counter those associations rather than
acquiesce and accept them. As you and Julia and others have pointed
out, people will make associations... associations over which we truly
have no control. What we do have control over is how we respond to
them. One of the things I tried to tease out in a previous message was
what is going on 'behind the scenes' driving reactions to those
assocations and perceptions held by other people.  (Emotionally laden
terms have been used, suggesting emotional gut level reaction and not
deliberate response, though I may be wrong in that interpretation).

+I could just see a kid (or adult) showing off his neat origami folded by
+the famous killer Ng.  That same person would not be as excited if it was
+folded by Joe Blow.  We as a society do not need to make criminals into
+celebritys.  We have enough mixed up kids and adults in this world without
+pandering to them.

Outlaws and criminals have long been celebrities in the USA, this is
nothing new (though the USA is still very new compared to most other
cultures and countries around the world). What may be new is the
ability of the criminal to directly reap the benefits of their
celebrity. In the past it may have been more the newspapers and other
media outlets who benefited from the increased demand that the appetite
for criminal celebrity fueled.

Perhaps the pandering to such appetites was less objectionable when the
profits and benefits did not acrue to the criminal. Having left the
basic appetite unaffected (that is, any attempts to curb it don't
seem to have worked), it is much harder now to say that it should be
stopped. I'm not even sure I would know how to do it without destroying
the first amendment, and I'm not willing to do that without a heck of a
lot more convincing, but we digress.

In the end, I think Papa Joe and I agree, the issue we see as important
is not what Ng does or doesn't do in his prison cell, but how society
focusses on it. I would rather not have origami "dragged into it" but I
think origami as an art form can survive temporary negative
associations, however wrong headed and misplaced they may be. I think
the more such associations that can be countered, the better.

Certainly, as Julia quoted Dorothy, one way to counter those
associations is to use origami to help victims and survivors. Its
already used in education and physical theraphy and other forms of
rehabilition, so why not here too?

-D'gou





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 01:09
Subject: Re: Fire breathing Dragons

In a message dated 1/17/00 2:30:34 PM, briancox@JKCC.COM writes:

<< Brian had done a lot of fire illusions.

He decided that it was possible and gave me a few ideas of how to make it

happen.  Because of the cost, logistic of making it happen and the fear of

the presenters, I did not do it >>

o- goodness. Looking at your dragon it's really neat and huge, and I am
laughing at
the thought of it actually breathing real fire! That would have been something
else! wow. I'm glad you didn't do it. But, would have like to have seen it.
Wouldn't the paper catch on fire?
I guess a small one could be made of thick tin foil with a lighter inside.
I might try that for fun, just as a surprise. Small pieces of dry ice inside
might be neat too.
gotta go,
Kelly





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 01:38
Subject: Re: Dragon in HK

In a message dated 1/17/00 8:17:43 PM, origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< There was a part when people danced a dragon made of paper.
It was instructed by the origami organization in Hong Kong. >>

Did you see any photographs of the dragon? Or, possibly at the organization
office in Hong Kong. I looked at what seems like their web site, but did not
see a dragon. What did it look like? color? And, details?! How many people
where in the dragon dancing? I'm curious to know more about it. It sounds
fascinating that they made a paper one!
Kelly





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 02:17
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

Sheldon wrote:
>As far as I am concerned, if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill
>me, I have an ethical right to kill them.
Are you saying you have the ethical right to visit Ng in jail and shoot him ?

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 02:20
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

Stuart wrote:
>    Keeping a person in jail for life costs less than killing him.  This is
>because of the appeals process (which I unwillingly learned from my history
>teacher).
Yes, I know. But it didn't suit my argument ;-).

Matthias





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 02:27
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 16 Jan 2000 to 17 Jan 2000 (#2000-1

>i cannot open because aol says the file is too large.
>this is the second time that i've tried downloading and
>the file has been too large.  what do you suggest?

Read it on the archives.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 02:27
Subject: Re: Dragons

>Hello, I have not decided which dragon to fold yet, but i only have the
>diagram of Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon from the Paper.

You mean that you don't have Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac
by John Montroll!?  It has three different dragons in it!

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 02:27
Subject: Re: Strange question

Hi Heather, it actually isn't a strange question and this is the very
reason why you won't get alot of replies.  I did the same and several
variations on it when I first joined the group last spring.  Every few
weeks someone new tries, but it never works.  The oldies on the group are
so tired of hearing the question they won't reply and if they do they'll
just flippantly tell you to search the archives.  And the lurkers will
simply continue to lurk.  Hey it's kind of rude but I thought you should
know to not get your hopes up.

I've been folding off and on since I was a kid.  During the summers my
mother wanted my sister and I to have hobbies to spend our time more
constructively than playing video games or doing nothing, guess what?  My
hobby was origami!  I wasn't terribly good but I got the most thrill out of
it ever when I first learned to fold right a star-shaped box, and the
crane.  When I was in my prime season in the summer I folded four hours a
day, sometimes six (hey I wasn't doing much) usually on those darn 100+
steppers.  When I went back to school to do undergrad research and take a
cs class I ended up dropping down to modular boxes because I didn't have
the time I had before and then I spent more like six to eight hours a week.
This fall it dropped further to a couple hours a week.  Last summer was
the time I was most enthusiastic about origami, as others on the list sadly
know (I'm sure they were thinking please shut up!) Well here are my
favorites:

1. Montroll's Deer
2. Lang's Elephant
3. Lang's Murex
4. Lang's Ant
5. Kawasaki's Shell
6. Kawasaki's Rose
7. Kawahata's Triceratops
8. Montroll's Western Dragon
9. one of Fuse's double spirals
10. Fuse's box with that cool looking pinwheel pattern

David





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 03:24
Subject: Re: Dragons

Oh go on, rub it in, you know it's out of print :(
Anyway if you want to try one of them, the 'Rearing Dragon' by
Marc Kirschenbaum can be found on Joseph Wu's page.
http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Files/models.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of david
> whitbeck
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:26 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dragons
<SNIP>
> You mean that you don't have Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac
> by John Montroll!?  It has three different dragons in it!
>
> David





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 03:41
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

"JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Kill him. Money has nothing to do with it. He targeted innocent people --
>raped, tortuted, and murdered them. The prison system killing him is totally
>different in my opinion. They don't randomly kidnap and murder families.
>They aren't a danger to society and my or your personnal safety. Kill him.
Your prison system is no danger to me as long as I keep out of your country,
that's right.

However, don't let your opinion be biased by the facts:
Since 1973, over 500 people have been executed. In the same time, a total of
84 innocent people have been freed from death row. Some of them have spent 18
years  on death row, some have come within hours of execution. In average,
they spent 7.5 years on death row before they were released.

Researchers Radelet & Bedau found 23 cases since 1900 where innocent people
were executed (In Spite of Innocence, Northeastern University Press, 1992). At
the same time, several states want to speed up the pace of execution. The
logical consequence would be that the number of innocent people being executed
would rise.

There is no way to compensate for what the innocent have endured on death row.
There is no way to compensate for the killing of an innocent person, be it
inside or outside of the legal system.

Sources:
http://www.essential.org/dpic/  (Death Penalty Information Center)
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/ (Committee of the Judiciary)

Of course, in the case of Ng, there is probably no doubt that he is, indeed,
guilty. However, your statement that your legal system is no danger to your
society or your personal safety is rather questionable.

Matthias
Berne, Switzerland





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 03:43
Subject: Re: Strange question

Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM> sez

>This is going to sound like a very strange question, but here goes...
>
>How long have you been folding, and how often do you fold?  What are some of
>your favorite things to fold?

The question isn't strange and indeed, pops up every 2/3 months - if you
raid the list archives, you'll find all you seek!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Michie Sahara <michies@WESTWORLD.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 04:17
Subject: Re: Book Info please

"Origami: Rokoan Style" is our book (my mother and myself).  It is a book on
how to fold connected cranes out of one sheet of paper.  This technique was
created by a Buddhist priest , Rokoan, about 200 years ago.  Rokoan created
49 different models using this technique.  This book covers 25 of his models
and one of my mother's.  The book tells about Rokoan, also.  We are working
on the continuation of this book.  It would cover 24 of Rokoan's and again
one of my mother's.  Since Japanese paper "washi" is recommended for this
type of folding one sheet of "washi" is included in the book.  If you get
the book I hope you will enjoy it.  Michie
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:17:25 -0500
Subject: Book Info please

>Dear All --
>
>Decided to quit being such a penny pincher and spend some money. I got
>onto the Barnes and Noble site and pulled up a search on origami and
>found all the titles I already have and a BUNCH i didn't know existed.
>Before I go hog wild and order a bunch of books (even though I don't
>HAVE to buy them, I always feel bad about putting them to the extra
>work) I thought I would see if any of you knew anything about the
>following books (most ofthem had no description):
>
>"Origami Rokoan Style", by Sakai and Sahara, ISBN 0893468754
>        There was a subtitle about cranes, but I didn't write it down
>
>"The Amazing Book of Origami", by Jon Tremaine, ISBN 185833246X
>
>"50 Nifty Animals Origami Crafts", J Smolinski, ISBN 1565659287
>        Still looking for that polar bear
>
>"Inverse Origami: The Art of Unfolding", by Mar Walker, ISBN 0966486404
>
>"Planet Origami", Forest House Publ., ISBN 1566742684
>        No author listed. I don't think it is the Biddle's book by the
>        same name, it has to be special ordered
>
>"Discover Origami", by Rick Beech, ISBN 060058593X
>
>"Yami's Origami", Yamauchi, ISBN 1890597007
>
>What I am looking for is contents, types of models, whether things are
>new and original... etc. I have so many of the traditional models in a
>bunchof books, that I want new and exciting... :-)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dee





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:28
Subject: Re: Strange question

----- Original Message -----
From: "david whitbeck" <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject: Re: Strange question

> Hi Heather, it actually isn't a strange question and this is the very
> reason why you won't get alot of replies.  I did the same and several
> variations on it when I first joined the group last spring.  Every few
> weeks someone new tries, but it never works.  The oldies on the group are
> so tired of hearing the question they won't reply and if they do they'll
> just flippantly tell you to search the archives.  And the lurkers will
> simply continue to lurk.  Hey it's kind of rude but I thought you should
> know to not get your hopes up.
>

Needing a distraction from the Ng discussion (we should give this discussion
its own newsgroup--the Ng n.g.), and wanting to proove David wrong about the
old farts on the list, such as myself, here's a list of a few favs...
Engel's alligator (if only for step 23) and his valentine, Lang's white
faced mouse, flapping seagull, and gerbil, Weiss' irish setter, Momotani's
seagull, Hulme's Jack-in-the-box, Kasahara's goldfish, any Montroll
elephant, and either of his raccoons. Oh, yeah, Engel's knight on horseback
scores points with folks a lot. Also--Montroll and Lang's blue shark and any
Fuse box (as opposed to a circuit breaker). At least those are my favorite
this month...further updates as events warrant...
    Did you hear Captain Crunch was found dead?--police suspect a cereal
killer.
On that note... All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:28
Subject: Re: HTML code embedding

At 11:30 -0800 17-01-2000, Ron Arruda wrote:

>About 10 percent of the messages I get have their text "embedded" in
>(sometimes massive) amounts of HTML code, the coding that tells what
>color the type and background are, where they'll appear on the page, etc,
>etc. Those of us with old text-only systems have a real hard reading the
>message in the mass of other gobble-de-gook. Is is possible that this
>coding could be "cloaked" or made transparent? Do many others have this
>problem, or am i the last person on the planet to have a Mac this old (1989)?

Hi Ron,

maybe you are indeed the last one! 1989! But the real cause is the
deplorable software deterioration since then... I use Eudora and so am also
troubled by messages garbled by HTML. Again and again I have sent messages
to this and other lists begging people to shut off the blighted
'HTML-feature' when they send mail to lists. Here's how for Netscape.

>For the ones who would like to adjust their Netscape...  You'll be using
>the Communicator version 4.something or higher.  Click on Edit,
>Preferences >and open the section dealing with mail.  One of the options
>talks about
>HTML and you can usually choose blanket non-HTML or on a
>>recipient-by-recipient basis.  If I sound a bit vague, it's because I use
>the Navigator-only variant and a dedicated e-mail package rather than the
>>all-in-one product.

Otherwise, look under Preferences or Settings or something like that, or
ask a clever niece.

Greetings,

Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 06:18
Subject: [OT] RE: ORIGAMI Digest - 16 Jan 2000 to 17 Jan 2000 (#2000-1

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>i cannot open because aol says the file is too large.
>this is the second time that i've tried downloading and
>the file has been too large.  what do you suggest?

Here's a few things you can do:
1) Set yourself to receive individual messages instead of the digest
(instructions are here: ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/faqs/maillist.faq ) or in
Maarten van Gelders regular postings)
2) Read the messages at the archives
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/archives/index.htm
3) Change your subscription to send the messages to a web-based free email
address, like at http://www.yahoo.com , http://www.hotmail.com ,
http://www.gmx.net
4) Change to a provider that doesn't have these restrictions

Matthias





From: Gurpreet Renoata <gurpreet.renoata@BBC.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:07
Subject: Issei Yoshino's horse

hi everybody

Could someone provide some guidance on folding the horse
which stands proud on the cover of Issei Yoshino's Super
Complex Origami.

1. Step No.63 (page 84) does not have any fold lines just
some information in japanese about some layers on the
horse's inside. Could someone translate the japanese or offer
guidance on what's being indicated.

2. Step No.66 (page 84) again has no fold lines but just an
indication of layers which are indicated by the letters A,B and C.
What happens here?

My horse always has proportions different to the one on the cover
so i guess that these steps are crucial. Please help.

many thanks
Gurpreet





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:20
Subject: NO: ORIGAMI Digest - 16 Jan 2000 to 17 Jan 2000 (#2000-1

Try closing all other windows, and minimising those two hi resolution windows
that AOL insist on clogging up our memory with. This usually works for me
anyhow.

Dave.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:24
Subject: [NO] RE: NO: The criminals & the forgiven

eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>Well, friends, our former guest of the penal system is having a field day,
>isn't he?  I've never known of anyone so proud of such a background and so
>eager to publicise it.
>expect contrition and a request for such from the perpetrator.  Christ
>called all sinners to REPENTANCE.  Forgiveness logically follows repentance.

Hohoho. In the first paragraph, cheap sarcasm on behalf of a former inmate,
and in the second paragraph, a sermon about Jesus Christ. What a hypocrit.

Matthias





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:27
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

> there is a japanese movie where the hit man makes a crane,(sign of peace),
> every time he kills someone!
> It has probably been log as an Origami sighting.

>From my Summer 1997 OUSA newsletter column on origami sightings:

In the film "Hardboiled" (1992) (directed by John Woo), the character Alan
(Tony Leung) plays a cop who's gone undercover as a gang member.  He folds a
crane for every person he's had to kill, and has them hanging in his boat.
He also "sends" a crane to the cop he teams up with (Chow Yun-Fat's
character) as a signal at one point.  The cranes also figure in the very
last scene of the film.

Janet Hamilton





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:29
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>>Subject:      Re: Origami Scottie?
>> >Basically in any Library in England you can find two origami books one has a
>> >Pteranodon on the front and the other has two origami figures on the front a
>> >
>>The first book is "The New Origami" by Steve & Megumi Biddle.
Joseph's right, TNO has a yellow pteranodon on a blue cover. But my memory
is failing lately:
- I forgot searching for further scottie models at home last night
- I don't remember scottie models in TNO. In the animal section there's
  for sure a rabbit (Momotani), a koala (ditto), rhinoceros (Corrie)
  and a seated elephant (Biddle); in the dinosaur, a T-rex (Biddle),
  pteranodon (Kawahata), apatosaurus (?) and a simple dinosaur (?).
I guess I must flex my brain muscles a little more...

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:02
Subject: Re: Strange question

Heather

I have been folding since I was 8 years old (... saw Robert Harbin on the
TV, and the rest is history ...). I am now entering the early stages of 'old
geezer-hood '- so I have been at it for a long long time !

I try to fold every day - whilst commuting, queuing, waiting, watching TV,
driving the car ( ... oh, no, that is 'a joke' ... well it made me smile as
it appeared on the screen ! Your mileage may vary).

I favour complex, challenging folds like Kawasaki's Roses, Lang's insects,
some of Montroll's tougher stuff, 'Super Complex Origami', 3D models, action
models, and stuff like that. My repertoire is mostly lifelike
animals/plants/objects, but I enjoy challenging modulars like Tom Hull's FIT
(looks great in matt black 3 inch by 1 inch units, but tough to assemble
behind the wheel - yep, another 'joke' !). I also have a few quick and
simple things in case a man with a deadly weapon/screaming child who won't
shut up (not sure which is worse !)  needs calming down/tricking into
surrendering, before I lose my temper and do something rash/illegal.

I like to learn the folds by heart. I then practice them as much as I can to
perfect the sequence and the look of the finished article. My attitude to
others who watch is that they can like it or lump it. I am not hurting them.
I am not going to stop.

Hope this goes some way to satisfying your curiosity.

Regards

Mark

PS If I am one of the people responsible for sending out HTML gook with my
messages, including this one, let me know. I know this has happened in  the
past, but I did not know at the time, because my mail client is
modern/clever enough not to bother me about it. If it is still a problem, I
will try and turn it off. If I hear nothing, I will assume all is well.

----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Hill <mailto:FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:05 AM
Subject: Strange question

> This is going to sound like a very strange question, but here goes...
>
> How long have you been folding, and how often do you fold?  What are some
of
> your favorite things to fold?
>
> Curiously yours,
> Heather





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:19
Subject: Re: Cheng Chit's Origami

Thanks! I'm new to the list and to origami. I'd like to see origami
developing into a serious art form and mainstream creative pursuit. Hope to
see more discussions in this respect.

Cheng Chit
http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit

----------
> From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Cheng Chit's Origami
> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:54 AM
>
> Wow!  Cheng Chit has been only folding for a year and has produced these
> amazing models?!  I really love the champagne class.
>
> David





From: Anine Cleve <anine21@USA.NET>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:28
Subject: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Hi everyone!

I've now started on the 5 intersecting tetrahedra and I can't even connect the
2 first pyramids :(
Take a look at http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/fit.html and see if you can
help me:
First we see a green triangle where the top and the right side goes under the
red pyramid and where the left side goes over the red pyramid. It then looks
as if the left corner of the green pyramid has a.... what do we call them?
I'll just say stripes... has a stripe going backwards and then outside the
pyramids it meets the 2 other stripes coming from the two other corners. But
if I try to join the pyramids like that some of the strips bend themselves to
get past the red pyramid when going outside or inside it. This can't be
right...?
Anyone has any tips on how to join the units? Maybe a pattern I didn't notice
myself? Any help would be appreciated!
Hope to hear from you soon!
                                Anine

____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:34
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

The first two pyramids are joined so that the point of each goes through the
base of the other, (they aren't tightly held in position but they will be
when you finish the model).

Its easiest to make a whole pyramid then build the second one in its correct
position (it can move around quite a bit while you try and do it but as long
as you make sure of its position as you add each strut you should be ok).

The page does mention a pattern to the added pyramids but I couldn't really
see it until I'd completely finished th whole thing.

Keep trying, its a great model.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Anine Cleve [mailto:anine21@USA.NET]
Sent: 18 January 2000 14:27
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Hi everyone!

I've now started on the 5 intersecting tetrahedra and I can't even connect
the
2 first pyramids :(
Take a look at http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/fit.html and see if you can
help me:
First we see a green triangle where the top and the right side goes under
the
red pyramid and where the left side goes over the red pyramid. It then looks
as if the left corner of the green pyramid has a.... what do we call them?
I'll just say stripes... has a stripe going backwards and then outside the
pyramids it meets the 2 other stripes coming from the two other corners. But
if I try to join the pyramids like that some of the strips bend themselves
to
get past the red pyramid when going outside or inside it. This can't be
right...?
Anyone has any tips on how to join the units? Maybe a pattern I didn't
notice
myself? Any help would be appreciated!
Hope to hear from you soon!
                                Anine

____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:36
Subject: (long) Re: Strange question/Best Books

Again on the soapbox:
- origami is an art form, thus having different _styles_, _themes_,
  _subjects_, _masters_ and _trends_
- one cannot lightly toss a question like "what's the best books/models/
  authors" and expect a simple, ultimate answer. Join ten disparate
  music/painting/book lovers and ask "what's the best .../../..?"; can
  you expect anything but a night-eating debate (maybe healthy, maybe
  useless, depending on goodwill, expertise and etiquette)?
- for simplicity's sake, I'll constraint this paragraph to diagrams: you
  can extrapolate for models, books or authors.
  What's a "good" diagram? Some folders like very detailed, very
  "slow" drawings", with a lot of text. Some prefer more concise steps,
  some (like myself) prefer a minimum of text, and consider one must
  not rely on text in order to make a drawing easy to understand.
  And finally, some like very abbreviated and compressed diagrams,
  like Palacios's in Fascinante Papiroflexia (Fascinating Origami)
  or, even more extreme, Neal Elias's sketches
- my point is, either model/book/diagram/author's style has many
  _dimensions_ or _faces_; what pleases me might be awful for others so
  a simple answer is not enough. Thus I hate just saying "Origami Fantasy
  is the best", knowing someone will get frustrated attempting complex
  maneuvres and end disappointed by Origami; or "Origami Garden has
  the best trees", because it heavily uses rectangles; or "Get
  Origami Dogs", because many will find its models too simple.
- I side with Nick's advice despite David's irony: there's a lot
  in the list archives; one can't just expect ready, detailed, precise
  answers - someone must write them first place...

Down from soapbox - now I'll yield to those provoking questions:
Recommended books (in no order particular order):
- Origami Sea Life (Montroll/Lang, Antroll/Dover): (title not entirely
  correct, who ever saw tadpoles, frogs, goldfish, carp and the South
  American angelfish in salt water? :) ) good range of themes and
  complexity, very good introduction; Origami Sculptures (Montroll, Dover):
  wide range, very flexible dog and insect bases.
- Folding the Universe (also published as Origami from Angelfish to
  Zen) (Engel, Dover): mostly complex models, some groundbreaking; half the
  book dedicated to essays, from fractal geometry to brownian music to
  creative processes
- The New Origami (Biddle & Biddle, St.Martin): a survey book, extremely
  wide range of models and trends, excellent for the beginner to pick
  his/her favorite style
- Origami Omnibus (Kasahara, Japan Publications): recently reprinted,
  massive magna opus; animals, masks, geometric modulars, buildings and
  many other themes, from easy to intermediate
- Sousaku Origami (Yoshizawa, NHK): like Dokuhon II, another compilation
  of works by the master of sublety and expression; almost every model
  is deceptively simple: fold it mechanically, it just won't feel alive
- Secrets of Origami (Harbin, reprinted by Dover): although I actually
  folded very few of its models, this big old book stands as a classic
- Origami Animals (Lang, Crescent): good range of models and complexity,
  one of the best introductions to folding maneuvers, sadly hard to find
  today, and Origami Insects and their Kin (Lang, Dover), elegant, mostly
  complex arthropods
- Origami for the Connoisseur (Kasahara/Takahama, Japan Publications): the
  classic model of elegance in an origami book, likely to please every
  sensible folder

Some excellent books in languages other than English are unfortunately
harder to find; I could mention El Libro de las Pajaritas (Riglos),
Papiroflexia (Clemente), and several others.

Outstanding models (again, no order). I love models striking a good
balance for "realism", complexity, flexibility - in a word, elegance

- Kawahata's Pegasus in Origami Fantasy
- Fujimoto's cube in Jackson's Classic Origami, Kasahara's & Takahama's
  OftC
- Alvarez's Daedalus in Ansill's O. Monsters, Grupo Riglos's El Libro de
  las Pajaritas de Papel Plegado
- Kawahata's Panda in ORU Quarterly Folding Diagrams 1 (not the one in
  Wild Animals of the World)
- Yoshino's T. rex in Issei Super Complex O., O. Tanteidan convention #2
- Yoshizawa's cocker spaniel in Dokuhon II
- Koh's stegosaurus in OUSA'98
- Montroll's ground bug in Kasahara's & Takahama's OftC
- Engel's kangaroo in K & T's OftC, Engel's Folding the Universe
- Lang's golden eagle in Lang's and Weiss's O. Zoo

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Mark Plant <mplant@UK.ORACLE.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:41
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Anine

The trick is to remember that any two pyramids have the same relationship:
one 'point' of one pokes through one opposite 'base' of the other. This
makes the first two easy to assemble. The third one is the real tough one.

Keep at it, remembering the rule above, and it will just go together right.

Best of luck

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Anine Cleve <mailto:anine21@USA.NET>
To: <mailto:ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Hi everyone!

I've now started on the 5 intersecting tetrahedra and I can't even connect
the
2 first pyramids :(
Take a look at http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/fit.html and see if you can
help me:
First we see a green triangle where the top and the right side goes under
the
red pyramid and where the left side goes over the red pyramid. It then looks
as if the left corner of the green pyramid has a.... what do we call them?
I'll just say stripes... has a stripe going backwards and then outside the
pyramids it meets the 2 other stripes coming from the two other corners. But
if I try to join the pyramids like that some of the strips bend themselves
to
get past the red pyramid when going outside or inside it. This can't be
right...?
Anyone has any tips on how to join the units? Maybe a pattern I didn't
notice
myself? Any help would be appreciated!
Hope to hear from you soon!
                                Anine

____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 09:16
Subject: Re: Cheng Chit's Origami

Thanks! I'm new to the list and to origami. I'd like to see origami
developing into a serious art form and a mainstream creative pursuit. Hope
to see more discussions in this respect.

Cheng Chit
http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit

----------
> From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Cheng Chit's Origami
> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:54 AM
>
> Wow!  Cheng Chit has been only folding for a year and has produced these
> amazing models?!  I really love the champagne class.
>
> David





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 10:41
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Anine inquired about assembling the FIT:

+I've now started on the 5 intersecting tetrahedra and I can't even connect the
+2 first pyramids :(
...
+Anyone has any tips on how to join the units? Maybe a pattern I didn't notice
+myself? Any help would be appreciated!

The first tetrahedron is really the only one you can assemble fully without
interweaving something.

Even though this is a "wire frame" model, I find thinking about the
faces of the tetrahedra helps me see what has to be what. Tom's remark
on the web page, about the points poking through the holes is key.
Having just assembled one of these a little over a week ago, I found
another way to think about that key which helped me more. Maybe it will
you, maybe not. Here goes:

Look at the picture of the red and green interwoven tetrahedrons on
Tom's page. Notice the red and green "poke through" relationship. But
notice something else equally important. In order for the green point
to poke through the red tetrahedron, three green edges must break one
plane of the red face, and must meet to form a corner of the green
tetrahedron. Note also that those same three edges must also break the
plane of the other three faces of the red tetrahdron. Looking at how
the green edges relate to the red tetrahedron, only three of the green
edges break through the faces of the red tetrahedron, and either all
three break through to form a point, or one and only one passes through
on its way to form a point. All three of the other green edges
completely surround the opposite red point.

Another thing to notice about the red and green interwoven tetrahedron
image on Tom's page is on for the faces of the red tetrahedron which
are broken by a single green edge. Notice that the green edge is off to
one side of the red edge, not going right through its center. This is
how it will be in the final model, though with the real thing in front
of you it will rattle around every which way.

Ok, so those are the general ideas which follow from Tom's key
statement, as they apply to the first two tedtrahedrons. As Tom notes,
they apply to all the pairs of tetrahedrons simultaneously! But what
does that mean? Actually there is another thing that follows from this,
though not as obviously. Consider again the red and green tetrahedrons.
Each and every face of the red tetrahedron will have one and only one
complete point of each of the other four tetrahedrons. If you ever end
up with two points through the same face of one of the tetrahedrons,
something's awry. In this red and green example then, the red face
which has the green point through it will have one and only one strut
of each of the other three tetrahedrons running through it.

The trick to this is two fold, holding the model steady so that the
pieces don't shift on you and being able to see all the pair-wise
relationships at once.

Another thing to notice, which really has only helped me when threading
the final tetrahedron, is that in the final model, each edge, if you
follow it from one of its ends to the other end, goes over one edge,
under two edges and over one edge.

Well, I hope that is comprehensible and helpful! It certainly was longer than
I thought it would be. ;-)

-D'gou





From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 10:41
Subject: monkeys

Hello

I'm looking for the diagram for mama and baby monkey...I have two diagrams
but neither of them have arms on the monkeys...and I know somewhere in one
of my books there is one that has arms on both...I have made it once or
twice...

If anyone knows which book I should be looking in  please let me know...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 10:46
Subject: Re: Keeping Modular Origami Together

In a message dated 1/17/2000 9:06:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mjnaught@CROCKER.COM writes:

> Imagine making a unit with two diagonal creaseas and 1/2 "book fold"
>  (one edge to the center only). I constructed a model out of some of
>  them -- I think the number was 24, but it might have been 48 (it
>  was some time ago, and the model -- alas -- no longer exists).

It's 24 units, and just barely holds together. I've only assembled two,
had the last one for several years before someone knocked into it
and it collapsed, and I no longer have the patience and light touch
(or maybe PK, since I've stopped being able to fold Montroll's
Stegosaur, too; the paper keeps collapsing wrong) to assemble it.

The shape is based on the rhombicuboctahedron, the
Archimedean polyhedron with 3 squares and an equilateral triangle
at each of the 24 corners, only it has triangular dimples where the
equilateral triangles should go, and those dimples hold it together,
barely. The squares form three bands of 8 squares, at right angles
to each other, intersecting in six squares oriented like the faces
of a cube. The triangles are oriented like the faces of an
octahedron, and joined edge-to-edge by intervening squares.

Ah! There's a picture, start at "The Pavilion of Polyhedreality",
by George W. Hart, http://www.georgehart.com/pavilion.html ,
go to "My Virtual Polyhedra (see above)",
http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/vp.html ,
then the list of models for "Archimedean Duals",
http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/archimedean-index.html ,
and finally to the "(3,4,4,4) rhombicuboctahedron,
often called the small rhombicuboctahedron ",
http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/vrml/rhombicuboctahedron.wrl .
Hmm? "wrl"? Might not be viewable by everyone, sorry.

You can get the same shape with a lot less pain by (virtually)
combining the modules in groups of four around the six 'cubic'
faces. The result is six modules made as follows: take a square,
divide it into a 3x3 square grid with moutain folds, color side out,
mountain fold away the outer half of the corner squares on the
appropriate main diagonal of each corner square, then valley fold
the remaining corner isosceles right triangles (half-squares) on
what's left of the other main diagonal of each corner square.
These six 'caps' will now weave over and under to form the
rhombicuboctahedron with dimpled corners. You can use three
colors, and color each pair of opposit caps the same, ...

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 10:48
Subject: Re: monkeys

>>From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
>>
>>I'm looking for the diagram for mama and baby monkey...I have two diagrams
...
>>If anyone knows which book I should be looking in  please let me know...
Do you mean a short-legged monkey with a baby on her back, from
a single square? Could it be Kasahara's model in his Origami Omnibus
(Japan Publications)?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 10:48
Subject: Re: Joining the 5 intersecting tetrahedra!

Geez man, I'm sure that is simple in execution, but it really didn't come
off that way on paper :)

Brett

From: Doug Philips [mailto:dwp@TRANSARC.COM]
Well, I hope that is comprehensible and helpful! It certainly was longer
than
I thought it would be. ;-)

-D'gou





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:23
Subject: Re: Strange question

Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM> writes:
>How long have you been folding,
17 years
>and how often do you fold?
Everyday
>What are some of
your favorite things to fold?
 >>
butterflies!, dragons, cranes and frogs!
Boxes. Dinosaurs sometimes. And, rockets.
Birds, horses. And, modular puzzles!
Kelly





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:36
Subject: Re: Best Books

For me, the "best" (I have to pick *one?*) is Montroll's Origami Sculptures.
Good diagrams, and every model is actually foldable.  First book I folded
straight through.  It has a great horse, several breeds of dog, and, I
believe the best rhino that's published (Joseph's looks better, but without
diagrams, I can't fold it-no, that's *not* a nudge!)

As a bonus, it's in print, and easily available (in the U.S.)

Of course, I also just found Palacios' "Origami for Beginners" which is an
English translation of Origami Facil, and it has the working whistle in it.
Good book for beginners, and really cheap!

Kevin





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:46
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Can anyone confirm the rumour that Ng is, or was a member of Origami USA.  Is
he eligible to run for an out-of-town board seat?





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:38
Subject: Origami Heart

   I missed the string on the Origami Heart.        ...a little help?.....
                                                          -RPLSMN-





From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:57
Subject: Re: Japanese characters (was Re: JOA magazines...)

Note: Please view this message in a fixed-width font such as
      Monaco or Courier.

> On the plus side due to this book I can now recognise almost 30 symbols and
> their aproximate meanings. Incidently could someone tell me the meaning of
> this symbol it looks like a rectangle cut into thirds widthways:

It refers to "eye" when used as a word.
It appears in other words such as

       *            **                            ***************
       *        *****                    *        *             *
 **********  ****               *        *        *             *
       *     *                  *        *        *             *
       *     ************       *        *        ***************
       *  *  *     *            *        *        *             *
       ***   *     *            *        *        *             *
       **   **     *                     *        *             *
     ***    *      *                    **        ***************
   *** *   **      *                    *         *             *
  **   *           *                   **         *             *
       *           *                 ***          *             *
       *           *               ***            ***************

which means "crease".
Also in

           *******        ***************
    ********              *             *
      **   *  ***         *             *
       *** * **           *             *
  ******************      ***************
        ** * **           *             *
     ***   *   ***        *             *
   **      *      **      *             *
     *************        ***************
     *     *     *        *             *
     *************        *             *
     *     *     *        *             *
     *************        ***************

which corresponds "th" as in fourth, fifth,...

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:14
Subject: Re: Book Info please

Sounds interesting! Thanks! A definite possibility

Dee

Michie Sahara wrote:
>
> "Origami: Rokoan Style" is our book (my mother and myself).  It is a book on
> how to fold connected cranes out of one sheet of paper.  This technique was
> created by a Buddhist priest , Rokoan, about 200 years ago.  Rokoan created
> 49 different models using this technique.  This book covers 25 of his models
> and one of my mother's.  The book tells about Rokoan, also.  We are working
> on the continuation of this book.  It would cover 24 of Rokoan's and again
> one of my mother's.  Since Japanese paper "washi" is recommended for this
> type of folding one sheet of "washi" is included in the book.  If you get
> the book I hope you will enjoy it.  Michie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:15 PM
> Subject: Book Info please
>
> >Dear All --
> >
> >Decided to quit being such a penny pincher and spend some money. I got
> >onto the Barnes and Noble site and pulled up a search on origami and
> >found all the titles I already have and a BUNCH i didn't know existed.
> >Before I go hog wild and order a bunch of books (even though I don't
> >HAVE to buy them, I always feel bad about putting them to the extra
> >work) I thought I would see if any of you knew anything about the
> >following books (most ofthem had no description):
> >
> >"Origami Rokoan Style", by Sakai and Sahara, ISBN 0893468754
> >        There was a subtitle about cranes, but I didn't write it down
> >
> >"The Amazing Book of Origami", by Jon Tremaine, ISBN 185833246X
> >
> >"50 Nifty Animals Origami Crafts", J Smolinski, ISBN 1565659287
> >        Still looking for that polar bear
> >
> >"Inverse Origami: The Art of Unfolding", by Mar Walker, ISBN 0966486404
> >
> >"Planet Origami", Forest House Publ., ISBN 1566742684
> >        No author listed. I don't think it is the Biddle's book by the
> >        same name, it has to be special ordered
> >
> >"Discover Origami", by Rick Beech, ISBN 060058593X
> >
> >"Yami's Origami", Yamauchi, ISBN 1890597007
> >
> >What I am looking for is contents, types of models, whether things are
> >new and original... etc. I have so many of the traditional models in a
> >bunchof books, that I want new and exciting... :-)
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dee





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:24
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

Hatori Koshiro, replying to my query about the text associated with the
Origami Tanteidan crease pattern challanges, indited:

> It sometimes contains hints, sometimes not. In my opinion, however,
> the hints are not important. If you can fold the models, you can
> without the text.

;-)

> It IS possible to fold them, at least for very advanced folders.

I believe that.

> I'll give some general tips here.

Thanks.

> 2) Fold firmly when precrease. Precreasing both mountain and valley
>    will make the collapsing process easier.

It does seem that the crease patterns use a different kinds of lines for
mountain and valley folds (though which is which doesn't matter, right, it
should be just a matter of which side of the paper will be showing in the
final model?

> 3) Some creases are omitted in the crease patterns. They are folded
>    spontaneously when you collapse.

I figured that for "details" that would be true. Are you saying that for the
structural folding (i.e. the creases that might make an arm or leg, or such)
too?

> 4) Collapse the center area first, then go on to the raw-edge.

Aha, I was trying to work from the outside in (actually, more like left to
right).

Thanks!
        -D'gou





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:26
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

>
> Sheldon wrote:
> >As far as I am concerned, if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill
> >me, I have an ethical right to kill them.
> Are you saying you have the ethical right to visit Ng in jail and shoot him ?
>
>
> Matthias
>
No, I am not saying that. I also have no idea what point you are trying to
make in your message above. However, as a take off on your comment, if I
were to visit Ng in jail and attempt to shoot him, then he WOULD have an
ethical right to kill me.

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ackerman@dorsai.org
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