




From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:03
Subject: (NO)g

    The California Penal System denied Ng paper  because they thought he may
try to paper-cut his throat.  When they realized the notoriety he recieved,
and the possible backlash, they started informing his correspondants of his
"address"; and supplying him with onion skin to fold with.  This privelege
was suspended when his hang glider got hung up on the razor-ribbons outside
of the mail pick-up room. Now confined to solitary, he has devoted his life
to creating origami models of body parts from his bed-sheets: for which
reason the State of California has cut off his access to ketchup.  Citizens
are advised to rent "Silence of the Lambs" Starring Anthony Hopkins (r) and
Jody Foster (r)  to satisfy their interest in this mode of behavior.

   Gov.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:14
Subject: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>This has nothing to do with origami. It has to do with the rights/treatment
>of a monster. I bet most of you don't even know the morbid details of Ng's
Well, I do know some of the gory details. But only so far as it didn't make me
sick. He and his colleague acted like monsters, there's no doubt about it.

>actions. (Actually, Ng and his accomplice -- who committed suicide upon
>capture.) This 'man' should not have the right to fold. He should not have a
>radio. A TV. A book. A life. He should be destroyed. I resent having my tax
<snip>
You really want to kill Ng just to save a few bucks? I think that's rather
disgusting.

So, besides the money issue: Ethics don't depend on whether you're the good
guy or the bad guy. If you say it's right to destroy Ng for whatever reason
you choose, then it was also right for Ng to destroy his victims for whatever
reasons he chose.

That's what ethics are all about. Killing someone is either bad or good, and
it doesn't matter who is at the receiving end.

Matthias





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:16
Subject: Re: Dragons

Message text written by Origami List
>Brill's Dragon breathes a jet of fire. You can find it in his book
Brilliant Origami and you can find a picture of it on the cover of the
book, so if your favorite online bookseller has pictures of their
merchandise, you needn't even leave your computer to see it!<

        Is _that_ what that is?!?  I always thought it was the dragon's
tongue...

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 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:20
Subject: Re: Dragons

Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM> writes:

> Has anyone else seen the January Nippon Origami Association magazine no.293
> for this January?  It's filled with dragons!! So, I think it's neat!

Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
my japanese is nonexistent.

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
She's so tough she won't take 'yes' for an answer.





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:26
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

Message text written by Origami List
>I always try to have some paper squares about my person, and do quite a
bit of folding whilst commuting.

2 inch squares sound a bit small to me. I cut squares which just fit into
the inside pocket of my coat or jacket (3-4 inches, I guess). <

        I guess I'm lucky in the sense that, being part of a heavily
educational, and very non-business, profession, I get to carry around a
backpack all the time in lieu of, say, a briefcase or other small tote.  I
keep a folder in it at all times with two packages of 6" squares; if
necessary, I can grab a file folder and put the 9.75" squares in it.

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
  LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:33
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

Kill him. Money has nothing to do with it. He targeted innocent people --
raped, tortuted, and murdered them. The prison system killing him is totally
different in my opinion. They don't randomly kidnap and murder families.
They aren't a danger to society and my or your personnal safety. Kill him.

>From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people
>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:13:28 +0100
>
> >===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
> >This has nothing to do with origami. It has to do with the
>rights/treatment
> >of a monster. I bet most of you don't even know the morbid details of
>Ng's
>Well, I do know some of the gory details. But only so far as it didn't make
>me
>sick. He and his colleague acted like monsters, there's no doubt about it.
>
> >actions. (Actually, Ng and his accomplice -- who committed suicide upon
> >capture.) This 'man' should not have the right to fold. He should not
>have a
> >radio. A TV. A book. A life. He should be destroyed. I resent having my
>tax
><snip>
>You really want to kill Ng just to save a few bucks? I think that's rather
>disgusting.
>
>So, besides the money issue: Ethics don't depend on whether you're the good
>guy or the bad guy. If you say it's right to destroy Ng for whatever reason
>you choose, then it was also right for Ng to destroy his victims for
>whatever
>reasons he chose.
>
>That's what ethics are all about. Killing someone is either bad or good,
>and
>it doesn't matter who is at the receiving end.
>
>
>Matthias

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:37
Subject: Re: Dragons

Alan Sutko inquired about NOA magazines:

> Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
> my japanese is nonexistent.

If you are in the USA, the only place I know of to get them from here is
Sasuga (http://www.sasugabooks.com/). I have a subscription through them, but
I think they will also sell individual issues. I'd recommend calling them
(their number is on their web site), as sometimes there can be delays with
email.

-D'gou





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:37
Subject: Cheng Chit's Origami

Hi all:

Eric Anderson is graciously hosting some of Cheng Chit's origami models
on his webpage at www.paperfolding.com.

Although Cheng Chit has been folding for slightly less than a year, he
has developed some new 3D origami which are quite extraordinary. These
include a German Shepherd bust and a lady's bust. Do drop by and have a
look.

Ron.





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:50
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

   My personal opinion on Ng is ax me if I care, but, intellectually, it
occurs to me the Old Testament deals with misbegotten children responding to
the circumstance of their life by saying something like (") no one faults a
man stealing bread to feed his family, but if he's caught he shall pay 7
times(") ...  what rubs me ragged is where will he get 7 times the lives he
took, or suffering he incurred, to repay his debt to society?    -RPLSMN-





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:50
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

> >That's what ethics are all about. Killing someone is either bad or good,
> >and
> >it doesn't matter who is at the receiving end.
> >
> >
> >Matthias
Perhaps that is your definition of ethics.
As far as I am concerned, if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill
me, I have an ethical right to kill them.
--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 11:51
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Good question. But, yes, to be honest, if the person had the notoriety
that this Ng person has, I probably would...

Mike Kanarek wrote:
>
> would you feel the same if you were in church and the person associated you
> with a killer who attends church?
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From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:00
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Ok -- no you missed the point, I guess... I could care less what this NG
person does in jail... he could cross stitch (I do that too) or he could
knit, or he could read all the same books I do... What I object to is
his being "famous" for doing origami (or cross stitch or knitting or
reading all my favorite books).... why should his stuff get such
attention on ebay and in the news because he is sitting in prison after
committing heinous crimes when other people's beautiful work is passed
off as "oh. Paper." If ANYONE should be getting famous because of
origami it should be any number of people that deserve the fame for
doing beautiful work, not someone that killed 11 people. And yes, why
sould I be (if it should ever happen) looked at and have said to me "Oh
you do origami like that horrible serial killer." Or worse, "Oh did you
take up origami because you saw Ng do it?" I would much rather have
people say "Oh you do origami like (put a name here)."

Hope that clears it up.

Dee





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:02
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

In a message dated 1/17/2000 11:15:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH writes:

<< I resent having my tax
 <snip>
 You really want to kill Ng just to save a few bucks? I think that's rather
 disgusting. >>

    Keeping a person in jail for life costs less than killing him.  This is
because of the appeals process (which I unwillingly learned from my history
teacher).

Stuart





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:04
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I don't like that either.

Dee

Mike Kanarek wrote:
>
> there is a japanese movie where the hit man makes a crane,(sign of peace),
> every time he kills someone!
> It has probably been log as an Origami sighting.
>               Mike
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From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:11
Subject: Re: (OT) RE: Ng, Origami, and you wacky people

>
>    My personal opinion on Ng is ax me if I care, but, intellectually, it
> occurs to me the Old Testament deals with misbegotten children responding to
> the circumstance of their life by saying something like (") no one faults a
> man stealing bread to feed his family, but if he's caught he shall pay 7
> times(") ...  what rubs me ragged is where will he get 7 times the lives he
> took, or suffering he incurred, to repay his debt to society?    -RPLSMN-
>
The above does not appear in the Hebrew version of the Old Testament.

--
---
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ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:11
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

>  If a
> well-publicized violent criminal is associated with such a hobby, the
> public may form a connection between said criminal and other people
> who enjoy the hobby (since they don't understand the appeal of the
> hobby anyway).

Thanks. That is along the lines I was thinking of...

> You can see good examples of the harassment that can happen in cases
> like this if you look back at the "Dungeons & Dragons is satanic"
> crazes or, more recently, the restrictions placed on high-school
> students who wore trenchcoats or used the Internet after the Columbine
> shootings.  Individuals are smart, but people as a group tend to be
> rather paranoid about things they don't understand.

Well, yes. I still think some of those kids that wear trenchcoats
STARTED wearing trenchcoats after the fact of Columbine just to be
associated with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold... which is really sad and
sick and I am araid says way to much about our society these days.

But then, living in Littleton, I am rather touchy about Columbine still.

Dee

> That said, I don't think origami is the type of hobby which people can
> confuse in this way.  I can't see any way that one could use origami
> for evil, and I don't know how it could be anything but a wholesome
> and healthy activity.
>
> --
> Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
> Paralysis through analysis.





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:13
Subject: Re: Serial Killer Ng-WHOAAAAH!!!

> There...still ok? Not trembling with rage? Calm down...have a beer or a>
     decaf. Then fold something. Something nice and happy.
>
> And lets get back to arguing about modules, kawazaki roses and all the other>
     stuff my mailbox receives daily.

Thanks Stephen for putting it all in perspective...

Dee





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:40
Subject: Origami Scottie?

I saw an ad on eBay for a sterling silver origami Scottie dog, which was
reportedly folded from sterling silver as though it was paper.

Does anyone know where I can find an origami pattern for a Scottish terrier
(Scottie dog)?  I've never encountered one of these.

Thank you very much.
"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)
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From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:41
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

In a message dated 1/17/00 8:29:01 AM, LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

<< I can grab a file folder and put the 9.75" squares in it. >>

I like the plastic file folders because they don't tear, rain proof,
and art bins and cases found at art stores work great. I found a flat
plastic one that is the size of a briefcase, with a handle!
but filled with divided spaces.
One side has spaces large enough for finished models, the other is flat
and great for paper and books. Then, the whole thing works great as a desk.
Art stores have a lot of different neat! carrying cases for art things.
I tried looking at fishing tackle boxes and don't recommend this route.
I couldn't find a tackle box that worked well for paper, even though they
have cool drawers, and I didn't look like a fisherman looking for one, so
had to avoid a lot of fish conversations while I was thinking about how
to adjust the boxes for origami.
I think it would be neat if special cases for the art were made -as
there are for watercoloring and painting. I guess we have to design our
own until then. darn.
Kelly





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:58
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

>>From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
>>
>>Does anyone know where I can find an origami pattern for a Scottish terrier
>>(Scottie dog)?  I've never encountered one of these.

Origami scotties are fairly common due to distinctive small stubby bodies and
squarish heads. Check
- Origami Sculptures, John Montroll, Dover/Antroll; easy to find, unexpensive,
  a lot of very interesting models
- Secrets of Origami, Robert Harbin, reprinted by Dover, with a nice
  seated scottie - unfortunately I don't remember the author now
There are many more scotties in convention packs and lesser known books
like those by Edwin Corrie and Yasuhiro Sano - I can check at home if
needed.
        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 13:01
Subject: Re: Dragons

In a message dated 1/16/00 8:45:32 PM, dwp@TRANSARC.COM writes:

<< The Eastern Dragon by Hiroshi Kumasaka is very nice too, though more
involved. >>

Yes, this is neat too because it has wings! I haven't seen Brill's dragon, but
wow...it has fire!
I also like the The Eastern dragon by Mr. Toshio Gohara. I like the fact that
it is folded out of two sheets. It's pretty neat too!
Thinking it would be neat to have a dragon in a lake. It seems possible with
blue on one side and gold foil on the other. I have lots of dragon ideas and
no idea how to fold them.
just smoke, :)!
Kelly





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 13:13
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

Max Hulme has a GREAT scottie in his BOS booklet. IMHO very much like the dog
in Monopoly, a very cool model.





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:03
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

Message text written by Origami List
>I think it would be neat if special cases for the art were made -as
there are for watercoloring and painting. I guess we have to design our
own until then. darn.<

        This reminded me of a concept I had some time ago:  a large, flat,
square box made of wood, hinged on the back with a hasp in the front.  The
interior of both the lid and the box would be recessed and covered in felt
and would be of the right size for larger origami paper sheets.  In fact,
back when I was still writing fictional short stories, I did one about a
young paperfolder who comes across just such a box (with an intricately
carved lid with images of little tegu at the corners) in a back-alley
oddity shop, run by a wizened oriental gentleman.  The boy discovers that
everything he folds from the paper in the box becomes real.  Moderate chaos
ensues, etc., etc.  That was years and years ago; I wish I still had a copy
of the story!

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 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 841-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
 LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:30
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

At 01:11 PM 01/17/2000 -0500, Rob Hudson wrote:
>Max Hulme has a GREAT scottie in his BOS booklet. IMHO very much like the dog
>in Monopoly, a very cool model.

Thank you very much -- but can you please tell me how to purchase a copy of the
aforementioned BOS booklet?  I am dying to see this Scottie.

Thank you very much.
"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)
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From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:32
Subject: HTML code embedding

Dear group,

About 10 percent of the messages I get have their text "embedded" in
(sometimes massive) amounts of HTML code, the coding that tells what
color the type and background are, where they'll appear on the page, etc,
etc. Those of us with old text-only systems have a real hard reading the
message in the mass of other gobble-de-gook. Is is possible that this
coding could be "cloaked" or made transparent? Do many others have this
problem, or am i the last person on the planet to have a Mac this old (1989)?

Ron Arruda





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:35
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Dee wrote:
I would be horrified if someone saw me folding, and perhaps because of
the notoriety of Ng folding in prison, said to me something like "Oh you
are doing origami like that serial killer." Sort of associating me with
him, through the folding.

If you're afraid of silly remarks like that, stop folding and condemn
yourself to death by boredom!
Or find one of those sharp, witty answers that will dissuade such people
from making stupid tactless remarks...(I wish I knew how to answer like that
myself - does anybody have any suggestions?)
I find life is much more fun since I've learnt not to worry so much about
what people say or think.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:35
Subject: Re: Dragons

> Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM> writes:
>
> > Has anyone else seen the January Nippon Origami Association magazine no.293
> > for this January?  It's filled with dragons!! So, I think it's neat!
>
> Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
> my japanese is nonexistent.
>
If there is a way to get it please tell me how also.

-Slick Willie





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:35
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

    I made an expanding pouch for holding 3" squares out of Tyvek from
diagrams in OUSA #37 (Summer/Fall 1990) . It has traveled in my pocket for a
couple of years now without noticeable wear, and the size is handy for most
of the models I can do from memory... I keep a list in the folder to help me
remember which models I remember how to do from memory.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:49
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

The rigid box idea would serve as a place to do the folding too of
course!  On the other hand, coat-pocket apparatus are very unencumbered
and appealing for that reason.

Ron Arruda





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:49
Subject: Re: Addendum to Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Dee wrote:

>>I would be horrified if someone saw me folding, and perhaps because of
>>the notoriety of Ng folding in prison, said to me something like "Oh you
>>are doing origami like that serial killer."

Julia replied:

> find one of those sharp, witty answers that will dissuade such people
>from making stupid tactless remarks...(I wish I knew how to answer like
that
>myself - does anybody have any suggestions?)

    Instead of making a remark, I would just drop what I was folding, and
use my left hand to wrestle with my right wrist a la Dr. Strangelove. This
ought to deter any further insensitive remarks, and secure a larger
'personal space' for the folder in the bargain.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 14:54
Subject: Best Books

I'd like to ask everyone's opinion on something:  Who do you think has
written the "best" book with origami models?  I'm fairly new to the art form,
and all I've been able to find are beginner books, mostly.  I'd like one with
medium to hard models of anything and everything to fold.

Thanks for the help,
Heather





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:06
Subject: Re: HTML code embedding

At 11:30 AM 01/17/2000 -0800, Ron Arruda wrote:
>About 10 percent of the messages I get have their text "embedded" in
>(sometimes massive) amounts of HTML code, the coding that tells what
>color the type and background are, where they'll appear on the page, etc,
>etc. Those of us with old text-only systems have a real hard reading the
>message in the mass of other gobble-de-gook. Is is possible that this
>coding could be "cloaked" or made transparent? Do many others have this
>problem, or am i the last person on the planet to have a Mac this old (1989)?

SOME (not necessarily all) ISPs make it possible for the list owner to
designate that the list won't accept any HTML code.  Any messages sent with
HTML code are then automatically returned to the sender with a note
reminding them that HTML code is not permitted on that list.

So, that might be an option if the other list members (and, especially, the
list owner) are agreeable, and it is possible to easily accomplish with
this particular ISP.





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:12
Subject: Re: HTML code embedding

At 15:05 00/01/17 -0500, Scottie Lover wrote:
 >SOME (not necessarily all) ISPs make it possible for the list owner to
 >designate that the list won't accept any HTML code.  Any messages sent with
 >HTML code are then automatically returned to the sender with a note
 >reminding them that HTML code is not permitted on that list.

 >So, that might be an option if the other list members (and, especially, the
 >list owner) are agreeable, and it is possible to easily accomplish with
 >this particular ISP.

I'm agreeable, but this list is running on ListServer software, and I don't
believe that it has that option. If someone can show me how to do it, I'll
see about implementing it. Restricting long attachments would also be a
benefit. (The ISP has nothing to do with this functionality, BTW.)

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From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:19
Subject: Re: Serial Killer Ng

Dorothy Engleman wrote:
I have worked for peace and justice and human rights, including
prisoners' rights, and I oppose the death penalty. Charles Ng is
entitled to basic human rights and if he wants to do origami, let him.

However, I'd like to see people reach out in kindness to the families
and friends of Ng's victims (and other victims of violence), who will be
in pain and sorrow for the rest of their lives because of monsters like
Ng.  Surely they could be comforted by origami.  That, to me, would
represent a small measure of justice.

Dorothy

When I am discussing a criminal, and saying why shouldn't he do origami in
prison, this neither means that I am condoning or ignoring his crimes, nor
that I am ignoring or minimising the suffering of his victims. But I can
only discuss one aspect at a time.
I well understand that anyone who has been the victime of a crime should
feel very strongly about the subject. But with all the respect due to such
feelings, I don't see why the discussion should therefore be reduced only to
a pro or contra vote. Polarising a theme is a way of keeping fear on top to
avoid really confronting the problem and trying to find a solution.
The world isn't all black and white - it's got a million colours, and I want
to look at those too! Which is to say, once I've agreed that the criminal's
crimes are heinous, and the pain and sorrow of the victims is terrible and
they didn't deserve that, I'm also very interested in all the shades of
reactions that have turned up in this thread so far - Cathy's mixed feelings
and Mike's rehabilitation and Doug's sorting out all the questions that tend
to get packed together and confused when one deals only in "black and
white" - because all those variations help me to confront and understand my
own mixed feelings and move on.

Each one of us has his or her own questions to answers or problems to solve,
and it's neat that the O-List can help so many different people.

Best wishes,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:33
Subject: Re: Serial Killer Ng

>Palffy wrote:
>Polarising a theme is a way of keeping fear on top to
>avoid really confronting the problem and trying to find a solution.
>The world isn't all black and white - it's got a million colours

Solution is easy -- and very black and white. He's a monster. Kill him.
~J
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: "Askinazi, Brett" <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:42
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

This type of box is called a lapdesk, and was fairly common in the US among
well to do colonials.  Or anytime thereafter in the days when they still
used Quills and ink as writing utensils that require you to write on a
sturdy flat surface.  Usually they had also a recess or 2 on the top to
place quills and cylindrical hole for a bottle of ink.

Brett
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry D. Harris [mailto:LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:01 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

Message text written by Origami List
>I think it would be neat if special cases for the art were made -as
there are for watercoloring and painting. I guess we have to design our
own until then. darn.<

        This reminded me of a concept I had some time ago:  a large, flat,
square box made of wood, hinged on the back with a hasp in the front.  The
interior of both the lid and the box would be recessed and covered in felt
and would be of the right size for larger origami paper sheets.  In fact,
back when I was still writing fictional short stories, I did one about a
young paperfolder who comes across just such a box (with an intricately
carved lid with images of little tegu at the corners) in a back-alley
oddity shop, run by a wizened oriental gentleman.  The boy discovers that
everything he folds from the paper in the box becomes real.  Moderate chaos
ensues, etc., etc.  That was years and years ago; I wish I still had a copy
of the story!

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

                     Jerry D. Harris
                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 841-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2808
               LOKICORP@compuserve.com





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:48
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

I usually carry some 2" or 4" kami either in it's wrapper, one of the OUSA
small bubble packs, or a "zip disk" container. I also carry a variant of the
LeatherMan Micra. The Micra is nice, but sometimes I need pliers to really
mash down a thick fold. The one that I carry has pliers instead of the
scissors that the Micra has and it also has scissors. It's not as
high-quality as the Leatherman, but it works for me. Bonus: since it isn't
as precision as the Leatherman, the tiny, flathead screwdriver doesn't have
a sharp end, it stinks for screws, but is great for poking out points etc.
without tearing.

Howard





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:50
Subject: (NO) Re: HTML code embedding

>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>> >SOME (not necessarily all) ISPs make it possible for the list owner to
>> >designate that the list won't accept any HTML code.  Any messages sent with

On the rare occasions I used a fancy email agent like Netscape Navigator
to send a message, it asked me if it should be sent as pure ASCII,
HTML (no, no, no!), or both (ditto). Maybe this issue could be dealt with
requesting posters to avoid HTML, instead of enforcing it via mail servers?
Or would that recommendation be ignored like those "use meaningful subject
lines", "when replying avoid quoting whole messages", "please don't attach
pictures" and others?

OTH, sometime ago a few postings by Julia Palffy raised the issue of
useless (?) WINMAIL.*** blocks automatically attached apparently without
poster control.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:52
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

In a message dated 1/17/00 11:04:18 AM, LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

<<  In fact,

back when I was still writing fictional short stories, I did one about a

young paperfolder who comes across just such a box  >>

Will you ever make this box? Where a box maker?
Kelly





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:58
Subject: Re: Dragons

<< Cool!  Is there any way to order a copy?  I found their website, but
> my Japanese is nonexistent. >>

The address for the Nippon Origami Association is:

Nippon Origami Association
2-064 Domir Gobancho, 12 Gobancho
Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 102-0076, Japan





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:30
Subject: Re: Best Books

In a message dated 1/17/00 3:53:59 PM, FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM writes:

<< written the "best" book with origami models?  >>

In my opinion, Gay Merrill Gross two books are the best diagrams, and the
best chosen models.  And the best buy for the money.  I do not think you will
be sorry if you buy them. Mostly intermediate models.  Dorigami





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:36
Subject: Re: HTML code embedding

In a message dated 1/17/2000 2:33:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU writes:

<< Is is possible that this
 coding could be "cloaked" or made transparent? Do many others have this
 problem, or am i the last person on the planet to have a Mac this old
(1989)? >>

    I also have this problem along with (I assume) other aol users.  I'm not
sure how to make the html "invisible" on the receving end, but there is an
option on the sending end.  It would really depend on what e-mail client that
you use.

Stuart





From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:39
Subject: Re: Folding on the go

Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM> writes:

> The Micra is nice, but sometimes I need pliers to really mash down a
> thick fold. The one that I carry has pliers instead of the scissors
> that the Micra has and it also has scissors.

I have one of those (a Leatherman SuperTool in my case) too.  I just
don't think of it as a folding tool, since I've been carrying it
forever.  No scissors though, but the Micra and ST make a good combo.

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
I used to get high on life but lately I've built up a resistance.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:56
Subject: Re: Cheng Chit's Origami

Wow!  Cheng Chit has been only folding for a year and has produced these
amazing models?!  I really love the champagne class.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:56
Subject: Re: Dragons

What's with the head facing the wrong way on Brill's Dragon anyway?  What
kind of backbone would that dragon have?  Is his head going to come off
like that X-Files episode last night?

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:56
Subject: [NO] Re: HTML code embedding

Ron can't you download a new Eudora Light that's compatible with your OS?
What OS do you have?  Mine is 7.5 and my Eudora is an old 1.5.4 version and
it doesn't have the problems you have.  I would beware of the new versions
of Eudora though, I've encountered a nasty bug with it.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:56
Subject: [NO] Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I have got to say that I really don't think that my friends and colleagues
will think I'm a killer because I fold origami.  Not only that but only a
minority of the people out there know that he folds origami.  It's not
exactly headline news.  And in a while most of the people who knew will
forget because it doesn't affect them.  So what's the big deal?

David
ps if this doesn't make much sense it's because I have a cold.





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:56
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

>From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Origami Scottie?
>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:19:38 -0500
>
>
>I saw an ad on eBay for a sterling silver origami Scottie dog, which was
>reportedly folded from sterling silver as though it was paper.
>
>Does anyone know where I can find an origami pattern for a Scottish terrier
>(Scottie dog)?  I've never encountered one of these.
>
>Thank you very much.
>"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)

I've created an origami terrier.  The diagrams can be found at Eric's
origami page www.paperfolding.com  It is under diagrams and labeled as Barn
Swallow but it is the terrier pictured to the right of it.  Tell me what you
think.

Glad I could help,
Collin Weber
______________________________________________________
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From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:58
Subject: new

Dear all,
According to the reactions:
for you
a new heart-fold ( model and diagrams ) for Valentines day.
xxxxxxelsje





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:00
Subject: Re: Best Books

Hi Heather, it sounds like you mean the hardest book.  Origami Fantasy by
Kawahata and Origami Insects and Their Kin by Robert J. Lang are damned
hard.  I suspect that both authors are probably scheming up harder books
though.  Oh and watch out about making comments like "what was he smoking?"
most of the way cool origami authors are on this list.  I would suggest
trying Montroll books first since they have a good range of medium to
difficult models plus a few beginners to fall back on.  Titles I reccomend
are Origami Sculptures, Bringing Origami to Life and North American Animals
in Origami.  You can find books by Lang and Montroll in any US bookstore
(see noticed I clarified that instead of alienating the rest of the world?)
but Origami Fantasy has to be bought from an import store (that is if you
are in the US.)

David





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:00
Subject: again

http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/22mr_heart.html
sorry here is the heart
xxxxxelsje





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:06
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

Hey Collin not bad, not bad at all!  I'm sorry I doubted you before you had
diagrams available.  Your models are good.

David





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:06
Subject: Re: Best Books

Like lots of folks, I would say Robert Harbin's books, both in and out of
print. They got me started, and I'm still finding fresh things in them 30
years later!

Ron Arruda





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:20
Subject: Re: Best Books

david whitbeck indited:
> but Origami Fantasy has to be bought from an import store (that is if you
> are in the US.)

Actually, you might also find it (hint, hint), at one of the following places:
        http://www.origami-usa.org/
        http://www.fascinating-folds.com/
        http://www.kimscrane.com/
        http://www.sasugabooks.com/

-D'gou





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:22
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: HTML code embedding

Mr Whitbeck,

I'm running non-OS 6.7, so I don't think Eudora will make it on my setup.
The sugestion that senders turn off the pesky codes sound good, but there
may be some reason not to?

Ron Arruda





From: Brian Cox <briancox@JKCC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:28
Subject: Fire breathing Dragons

In Sept 1994 I was asked to do a project for the 52nd World Science Fiction
Convention in Winnipeg Canada. The Scene created was to represent a scene in
"Dragon Quest" and honor it's author and guest speaker Anne McCafery. I
made the Neale dragon with a Kasahara head (Creative origami ) from a 20
foot piece of news print  and explored the possibility of making it breathe
fire. I approached an illusionist from a magic club that I belonged to at
the time, by the name of Brian Glow. Brian had done a lot of fire illusions.
He decided that it was possible and gave me a few ideas of how to make it
happen.  Because of the cost, logistic of making it happen and the fear of
the presenters, I did not do it, which in the long run seems to have been a
good idea as the convention people did not pay me for my time as promised
 I guess that is why they called it a CONadian CONvention) The dragon can be
viewed at the below site.
http://www.whimsical-workshop.mb.ca/conadian.html
--------------------------------------------------------------
Whimsical Wizard
http://www.whimsical-workshop.mb.ca





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:36
Subject: Re: Best Books

>david whitbeck indited:
>> but Origami Fantasy has to be bought from an import store (that is if you
>> are in the US.)
>
>Actually, you might also find it (hint, hint), at one of the following places:
>        http://www.origami-usa.org/
>        http://www.fascinating-folds.com/
>        http://www.kimscrane.com/
>        http://www.sasugabooks.com/
>
>-D'gou

are import stores!  Just as I said.  Except Origami USA is not really an
import store.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:39
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: HTML code embedding

>Mr Whitbeck,
>
>I'm running non-OS 6.7, so I don't think Eudora will make it on my setup.
>The sugestion that senders turn off the pesky codes sound good, but there
>may be some reason not to?
>
>Ron Arruda

Wow that's unbelievable.  It sounds like you need a new computer.  You
could telnet into a server where you could use pine to check your email, or
you could use a web browser and use yahoo or hotmail.  That's all I can
think of, sorry.

David





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 17:51
Subject: Dragon Balloons (was Re: Fire breathing Dragons)

Just had a quick look at your dragon - very impressive! What I found
equally impressive was those collection of balloons with the models
inside! What an excellent idea, and how is this achieved (without crushing
the model?).

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (02) 6201 5665
Science & Design                            fax: +61 6 (02) 6201 5068
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:04
Subject: Re: Best Books

david whitbeck indited:
> are import stores!  Just as I said.  Except Origami USA is not really an
> import store.

Sasuga, yes. The others, no. Imports are not their main business. And I
seriously doubt any search for "import store" would ever turn them up (which
is why I posted the URLs).

As to the original query, I cannot disagree with Dorigami, Gay Merrill Gross'
books are wonderful. But they do not have very complex models in them.

If you are looking for a complex "modular", Tomoko Fuse's "Unit Origami" has a
number of models. Tom Hull's Five Intersecting Tetrahedrons
(http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/) which has units pretty easy to fold, but
the assembly is quick tricky and the final result is tres cool looking.

For non-unit origami, the hardest models at the moment are dragons (5th
Tanteidan Convention book), insects (previosly mentioned book by Robert Lang,
and also by several Japanese creators though I don't know if they are
published yet) and dinosaurs (the Kawahata book previously mentioned).

John Montroll's Teach Yourself Origami has a complete range, from beginner to
high intermediate.

Jeremy Shafer has some pretty cool stuff too, he's the current editor for Bay
Area Rapid Folders (B.A.R.F.) http://www.krmusic.com/barf.htm
and it looks like his first book is due out next month! Yay Jeremy! There are
some diagrams on the web site, and more in the back issues of BARF newsletters
(and of course in the new to-be-soon book).

Chris Palmer has done some waaay cool tesselations and such, but finding
diagrams for them has gotten difficult recently.

Herman vanGoubergen's models, which appear in various collections put out by
OUSA, BOS, and other national origami associations, are quite cool, and often
much simpler to make than you might think.

Other candidates?

-D'gou





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:12
Subject: Re: Best Books

At 18:01 00/01/17 -0500, D'gou wrote:
>For non-unit origami, the hardest models at the moment are dragons (5th
>Tanteidan Convention book), insects (previosly mentioned book by Robert Lang,
>and also by several Japanese creators though I don't know if they are
>published yet) and dinosaurs (the Kawahata book previously mentioned).

I just received a post card from Origami House. The insect book is due out
in March.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:12
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

I have a lovely simple Scottie sitting on my desk, diagrams were included
in one of the ORU Folding Diagrams volumes (can be found at Sasuga
Japanese Bookstore).

There is also a delightful Scottie dog in Yoshizawa's Living Nature.

I am conscious that these two books aren't the easiest books to get hold
of (nor the cheapest - but Carlos, as always, provided
excellent information meeting these criteria), but the models are great
examples of economy of style.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (02) 6201 5665
Science & Design                            fax: +61 6 (02) 6201 5068
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:19
Subject: Re: Best Books

On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Doug Philips wrote:

> Herman vanGoubergen's models, which appear in various collections put out by
> OUSA, BOS, and other national origami associations, are quite cool, and often
> much simpler to make than you might think.
>
> Other candidates?

Only to add the URL
http://www.papierfalten.de/en/diagrams.html

Where you can find many of Herman's models, including that
hard-to-get-right cat, and the simply stunning "gecko +fly on the wall"

regards
Michael





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:56
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

Now I have a little Origami scottie dog on my desk however I can't remember
the title of the book I got it from, and I'm afraid I don't have the heart to
reverse engineer it.

Basically in any Library in England you can find two origami books one has a
Pteranodon on the front and the other has two origami figures on the front a
(fat bloke and a geisha), its in the latter of these two books that has the
scottie dog in. It also has diagrams for two scottie dogs attached by their
noses or tails (or any combination of the above) as an extension of the
linked cranes section.

Can anyone supply the title?

Dave





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:04
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

At 18:55 00/01/17 -0500, Dave wrote:
 >Basically in any Library in England you can find two origami books one has a
 >Pteranodon on the front and the other has two origami figures on the front a
 >(fat bloke and a geisha), its in the latter of these two books that has the
 >scottie dog in. It also has diagrams for two scottie dogs attached by their
 >noses or tails (or any combination of the above) as an extension of the
 >linked cranes section.
 >
 >Can anyone supply the title?

Hahaha! I love the imagery.

The first book is "The New Origami" by Steve & Megumi Biddle.

The second book is "Complete Origami" by Eric Kenneway. I recognized it from
the geisha on the cover and the linked scotties in the book. I don't recall
seeing a "fat bloke" (snicker, snicker) on the cover.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: Jeremy Shafer

So Jeremy Shafers got a book due out then... and there was me promising
myself no more new origami books until July. So then has anybody seen a
preview of the book?, if its good I may just forgive him for the clogged
artery origami in BOS 195:) )

Dave

(If it is good I could put in an order to Amazon... then I'll be lucky if I
get it for July next Year... heck truth be told I'd just use Sasuga or Kims
now anyway, DEATH TO AMAZON!)





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

At 06:55 PM 01/17/2000 -0500, Dave Stephenson wrote:
>Basically in any Library in England you can find two
>origami books one has a Pteranodon on the front and
>the other has two origami figures on the front a (fat bloke
>and a geisha), its in the latter of these two books that has
>the scottie dog in. It also has diagrams for two scottie
>dogs attached by their noses or tails (or any combination
>of the above) as an extension of the linked cranes section.
>Can anyone supply the title?

Thanks, Dave.  I REALLY appreciate this -- and, if anyone could supply the
title, I would be deeply appreciative.  I love the idea of a pattern for linked
Scotties -- but, since I'm in the US, will need to know the title to try to
track this book down.

Thanks again.

"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                           NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN
GiftsFromTheHeart@onelist.com (making/giving perfect, "best ever" gifts)
Origami_Art@onelist.com               (folding, framing, using beautiful
origami)
QuilledArt@onelist.com                  (exquisite paper filigree, framed or
3-D)
Scherenschnitte@onelist.com      (cheap, beautiful paper cutting art)





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

At 10:10 AM 01/18/2000 +1100, Michael Janssen-Gibson wrote:
>I have a lovely simple Scottie sitting on my desk, diagrams were
>included in one of the ORU Folding Diagrams volumes (can be
>found at Sasuga Japanese Bookstore). There is also a delightful
>Scottie dog in Yoshizawa's Living Nature. I am conscious that
>these two books aren't the easiest books to get hold of (nor the cheapest ...

I can't thank you enough ... Now I've got a great starting point!

THANKS AGAIN!
"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                           NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN
GiftsFromTheHeart@onelist.com (making/giving perfect, "best ever" gifts)
Origami_Art@onelist.com               (folding, framing, using beautiful
origami)
QuilledArt@onelist.com                  (exquisite paper filigree, framed or
3-D)
Scherenschnitte@onelist.com      (cheap, beautiful paper cutting art)





From: Scottie Lover <iluvscotties@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:10
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

At 03:55 PM 01/17/2000 -0600, collin weber wrote:
>I've created an origami terrier.  The diagrams can
>be found at Eric's origami page www.paperfolding.com

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, I LOVE this!  What an adorable Scottie!  This
would look great in either black or white, or a combination of the two
(Scotties and Westies).

Thanks so much ... Your work is fantastic!
"Scottie"                                      (The Scottish Terrier Lover)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                           NEW MAILING LISTS TO JOIN
GiftsFromTheHeart@onelist.com (making/giving perfect, "best ever" gifts)
Origami_Art@onelist.com               (folding, framing, using beautiful
origami)
QuilledArt@onelist.com                  (exquisite paper filigree, framed or
3-D)
Scherenschnitte@onelist.com      (cheap, beautiful paper cutting art)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:21
Subject: Re: Jeremy Shafer

Dave Stephenson wrote:
+So Jeremy Shafers got a book due out then... and there was me promising
+myself no more new origami books until July. So then has anybody seen a
+preview of the book?, if its good I may just forgive him for the clogged
+artery origami in BOS 195:) )

On the web site you can see the table of contents. Most of the stuff has
appeared elsewhere, esp. the BARF Newsletters.

Rumor has it that Montroll has a dollar bill book due out first quarter of
2000 too, but I haven't heard if that is still true, or if its been
_changed._

+(If it is good I could put in an order to Amazon... then I'll be lucky if I
+get it for July next Year... heck truth be told I'd just use Sasuga or Kims
+now anyway, DEATH TO AMAZON!)

Sorry 'bout your bad Amazon experience, I've never had anything but excellent
results.

For that matter, both Fascinating Folds and Kim's Crane have also been
excellent. OUSA is volunteer run and not so speedy. Sasuga may or may not have
Jeremy's book... they do have some non-Japanese origami books.

-D'gou





From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 20:13
Subject: Re: Origami on the Go

If you still have any of the old plastic boxes used for the now defunct
5 1/4 inch computer floppy discs, these make nice paper carriers.  I
fold lots of stuff when I'm travelling.  For example, I like to fold
octagonal Fuse pinwheel boxes for the flight attendants on a plane trip.

Terry Rioux





From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 21:06
Subject: Strange question

This is going to sound like a very strange question, but here goes...

How long have you been folding, and how often do you fold?  What are some of
your favorite things to fold?

Curiously yours,
Heather





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 21:06
Subject: Re: Keeping Modular Origami Together

On 14-Jan-00, Ross Cooper (Zxenor@AOL.COM) wrote:

>i'd like to know some of the hardest modular things people have folded,
>and what size paper...maybe it'll be a good challenge for some of us.

Okay, here's one:

As you probably know, the Butterfly Ball is made out of 12 squares,
each with two diagonal creases and one "book fold".

Imagine making a unit with two diagonal creaseas and 1/2 "book fold"
(one edge to the center only). I constructed a model out of some of
them -- I think the number was 24, but it might have been 48 (it
was some time ago, and the model -- alas -- no longer exists).

It was a trick both to construct and to keep together once completed.
Good luck!

Mike "My regret (as always) is not having taken a picture!" Naughton





From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:00
Subject: Re: Origami Scottie?

On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, collin weber wrote:

>I've created an origami terrier.  The diagrams can be found at Eric's
>origami page www.paperfolding.com  It is under diagrams and labeled as Barn
>Swallow but it is the terrier pictured to the right of it.  Tell me what you
>think.

Oops! Sorry, Collin! All fixed!

-Eric :-P
origami@paperfolding.com

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