




From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:08
Subject: Paul Kruger

When I first heard of Paul's Death, I was sadden by the lost. I felt guilty
at not calling more frequently since FOLD's collapse.
I have avoided writing about this since then.

For several years, he was Official Editor of FOLD. Which means he would have
the chore of making sure all of the members contributed. He then collated
all of the submissions, bind them and send them out every other month.
Initially he would fold models for every cover until the members took turns
providing the cover. He gave unstintingly of his time, money and knowledge
to FOLD. His first appearance in FOLD was as the unknown folder. His
contributions to fold included many thoughtful articles and poetry. He
taught English as an adjunt professor at a local college. FOLD generally had
about 20 members who contributed at least two pages every issues or four
pages everyother issue.Many submissions ran ten or more pages. Paul would
comb-bind the issues and then mail them out to the members. FOLD was sort of
a hard copy Origami L.

Paul was the first person to organise the Regional Groups for FOCA. He
collected the information on the goings on of the Regional Groups for the
Newsletter. From his contacts with the regional groups, Paul originated the
idea of having the regional groups write about specific topics on an
everyother month basis over two years to share the wealth of knowledge among
regional groups. This was later organized by Dee Lynch as the Regioal Group
Handbook which informs groups about how to form a group, how to find meeting
space and other topics of interest to groups. This increasing activity of
regional groups lead to FOCA/OUSA to establish a formal policy on regional
groups.

In spite of his diabetes, was able to attend and participate in FOLD.
Freqently he would miss parts of the convention because of the attacks which
would send him to his room early. Paul was always eager to teach or learn a
model.

Paul would fold 30 or 40 models related to his children's sermon and hand
them to all of the children so that they would have something tangible to
hold on to. While some were simple models many were intermediate level so he
took great care and time with his younger flock.

The Kruger family would gather annually in the summer for family Olymics.
Some of the contest involved origami and the whole family participated.

Paul will be missed.

Mark Kennedy





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:08
Subject: Re: Welcome message for alt.arts.origami

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>I think that to be fair to all the commercial sites, I will remove the
>Fascinating Folds link and have *no commercial sites* of any kind in the
>message.  I put the link up originally to help people get started without
>realizing the full ramifications, In hindsight, I think that idea is a bit
>controversial. My apologies to all the other commercial sites, it was not
>meant as a snuff of your sites.  Again, there will be no direct commercial
>links of any kind!
I didn't see much response to your message (besides the one from David). Did I
miss them, or did these sites mail you privately?
I still think a nice, short list of a few on- and offline vendors that are
primarily dedicated to origami material would be very appropriate, and useful
for newbies and experts alike.

If they're so desperate to be on your list, I'm sure they can afford to show
their gratitude ;-).

Matthias 'make origami fast' Gutfeldt





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:08
Subject: Re: origami studio?

Hello Ria, thank you for the information.
I have not decided when I will go yet, but I will let Mr. Fosse know when I
plan to. =-)

Wing

>Hi Wing,
>
>The Origami Studio is Origamido and it belongs to Michael La Fosse.
>It's not in Boston, but it is in Haverhill, Mass. and easy enough to
>get to if you are in the Boston area.  Michael's Origamido website
>has directions there, but you need to let him know when you would be
>coming if you want to make sure he's there or find out the hours and
>days it will be open.
>
>Ria

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From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:37
Subject: Re: origami math course

Hey - does anyone know how to print the lessons? I tried to print so I
could look at it at my leisure (and perhaps get my hubby involved - he's
the real math geek - er - afficiando in the house). It printed the
diagrams (and not very well, I'm afraid... real dark have to squint),
but nothing else.





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:52
Subject: Re: origami math course

Allan asks:

>>>
Hmmmm....I made a 3 coloured dodecahedron with the PHiZZ modules and the 3
colouredness just worked.

Was I lucky or does it always go together by just building each face so the
colours don't touch?
<<<

Yes, you got lucky.  Usually just "doing the colors blindly" will result
in you being forced to, say, put a blue unit into another blue unit
near the end.  This is especially true for larger buckyballs, like the
soccer ball.

---- Tom "math on the road" Hull





From: Debra Nelson <debnels@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 14:32
Subject: Re: Paul Kruger

Kennedy, Mark wrote:
>
> When I first heard of Paul's Death, I was sadden by the lost. I felt guilty
> at not calling more frequently since FOLD's collapse.
> I have avoided writing about this since then.
>
> For several years, he was Official Editor of FOLD. Which means he would have
> the chore of making sure all of the members contributed. He then collated
> all of the submissions, bind them and send them out every other month.
> Initially he would fold models for every cover until the members took turns
> providing the cover. He gave unstintingly of his time, money and knowledge
> to FOLD. His first appearance in FOLD was as the unknown folder. His
> contributions to fold included many thoughtful articles and poetry. He
> taught English as an adjunt professor at a local college. FOLD generally had
> about 20 members who contributed at least two pages every issues or four
> pages everyother issue.Many submissions ran ten or more pages. Paul would
> comb-bind the issues and then mail them out to the members. FOLD was sort of
> a hard copy Origami L.
>
> Paul was the first person to organise the Regional Groups for FOCA. He
> collected the information on the goings on of the Regional Groups for the
> Newsletter. From his contacts with the regional groups, Paul originated the
> idea of having the regional groups write about specific topics on an
> everyother month basis over two years to share the wealth of knowledge among
> regional groups. This was later organized by Dee Lynch as the Regioal Group
> Handbook which informs groups about how to form a group, how to find meeting
> space and other topics of interest to groups. This increasing activity of
> regional groups lead to FOCA/OUSA to establish a formal policy on regional
> groups.
>
> In spite of his diabetes, was able to attend and participate in FOLD.
> Freqently he would miss parts of the convention because of the attacks which
> would send him to his room early. Paul was always eager to teach or learn a
> model.
>
> Paul would fold 30 or 40 models related to his children's sermon and hand
> them to all of the children so that they would have something tangible to
> hold on to. While some were simple models many were intermediate level so he
> took great care and time with his younger flock.
>
> The Kruger family would gather annually in the summer for family Olymics.
> Some of the contest involved origami and the whole family participated.
>
> Paul will be missed.
>
> Mark Kennedy

Thanks, Mark.
Debra





From: Jeff Block <info@LOTUSENTERTAINYOU.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 16:05
Subject: Navigating this digest

OK, I've been on this list for many months.  The Topics
of the day are numbered, 1 thru ###, which is great.
But, the postings that I see are not numbered at all?
If I want to read #13, is there a way I can navigate
right to it?

Jeff
http://www.lotusentertainyou.com

P.S.  I'm a much better folder than a computer user (thankfully)





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 16:08
Subject: Re: Folding transparent sheets

I used to be a lithographic film tecnician, and I'd often use the heavy
mylar waste films to fold. It's hard work, and only did well for me in
large models. The creases had to be heavily rubbed with a metal ruler to
stay, or even better was ironing them at a low temp, which set them
permanentely. Iron with a cloth over them, or else a mess!

I'm trying to think whether mylar is acetate, I think so. Anybody know
for sure?

Filmily, Ron Arruda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 16:12
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines - BOS

The BOS mag is the best! I have the last 150 issues and I always eagerly
await the next new one! It costs US $55 I think for the year 2000 issues.
Hey, charge it!

Ron Arruda





From: "Tam, Aileen" <ATam@HR.UCSF.EDU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 16:28
Subject: Re: Navigating this digest

Hi Jeff,
I'm a new subscriber to the Origami List serv.  I'm very much into folding
origami flower and when I click into the URL provided below, the flower
displayed are glorious.  The Orchids and the Roses are so real looking.  Do
you know where on the website that I can find the pattern to these flowers?

As for your inquiry, I'm so new at this, I can't help you with the numbering
posting naviagtion.

Thanks in advance.
Aileen

If anyone on the Origami List happen to know, could you please respond.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Block [mailto:info@LOTUSENTERTAINYOU.COM]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:06 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Navigating this digest

OK, I've been on this list for many months.  The Topics
of the day are numbered, 1 thru ###, which is great.
But, the postings that I see are not numbered at all?
If I want to read #13, is there a way I can navigate
right to it?

Jeff
http://www.lotusentertainyou.com

P.S.  I'm a much better folder than a computer user (thankfully)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 16:57
Subject: Re: origami math course

Thomas C Hull indited, regarding Allan's query about 3coloring a dodecahedron:

> Yes, you got lucky.  Usually just "doing the colors blindly" will result
> in you being forced to, say, put a blue unit into another blue unit
> near the end.  This is especially true for larger buckyballs, like the
> soccer ball.

Somewhere, maybe even from Tom!, I thought I'd read about a local rule (or set
of rules) for avoiding deadlocks when doing Penrose tilings. So, I'm
wondering, are there local rules for 3 coloring PHiZZ unit structures? It
would seems like there could be, but I wouldn't know how to go about proving
it (or dis-proving it).

Hey, Tom, did you get my email about the FIT unit sizes? I never got a reply.
For those of you wondering what I'm talking about, on Tom's Five Intersecting
Tetrahedra (FIT) page, he has some questions at the end, in particular, one
asking about the ideal size for the strut units. 3x1 seems to work OK, but I
also end up with a strut or two under just a bit too much stress. Has anyone
out there figured out the ideal strut ratio? If you want to preserve the
mystery for the rest of list, feel free to email me directly.

-D'gou





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 18:23
Subject: Book Info please

Dear All --

Decided to quit being such a penny pincher and spend some money. I got
onto the Barnes and Noble site and pulled up a search on origami and
found all the titles I already have and a BUNCH i didn't know existed.
Before I go hog wild and order a bunch of books (even though I don't
HAVE to buy them, I always feel bad about putting them to the extra
work) I thought I would see if any of you knew anything about the
following books (most ofthem had no description):

"Origami Rokoan Style", by Sakai and Sahara, ISBN 0893468754
        There was a subtitle about cranes, but I didn't write it down

"The Amazing Book of Origami", by Jon Tremaine, ISBN 185833246X

"50 Nifty Animals Origami Crafts", J Smolinski, ISBN 1565659287
        Still looking for that polar bear

"Inverse Origami: The Art of Unfolding", by Mar Walker, ISBN 0966486404

"Planet Origami", Forest House Publ., ISBN 1566742684
        No author listed. I don't think it is the Biddle's book by the
        same name, it has to be special ordered

"Discover Origami", by Rick Beech, ISBN 060058593X

"Yami's Origami", Yamauchi, ISBN 1890597007

What I am looking for is contents, types of models, whether things are
new and original... etc. I have so many of the traditional models in a
bunchof books, that I want new and exciting... :-)

Thanks,

Dee





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 19:21
Subject: Welcome message (again)

(This is in alt.arts.origami, but I think some of you may want to think
about this as well)

Again you're the voice of reason.  I've gotten a few private responses, all
of which were helpful and constructive and did not necessarily focus on the
commercial aspect.  The commercial site issue is just an over-reaction on my
part - I guess I'm a little paranoid since I can see it opening up a whole
can of worms...  My family used to have a business and I know how tough it
is to make ends meet, let alone be successful.  I chose the Fascinating
Folds link since it was the one that popped up in my mind when I was
writing.  In hindsight, I felt that by pointing out a particular site, *I*
was being unfair to others and felt a bit guilty.

There are several issues for me regarding this.  First,  where do I draw the
fine line between deciding which site gets on the list and which does not?
Who am I to be given this power to influence a business on a public forum?
Second, if I make the listing more comprehensive, it will no longer be a
simple welcome - I would also then need to set out criteria for inclusion or
exclusion from the list.  Third (tongue-in-cheek),  I am only human and will
be tempted by bribes, although 5000 USD/year seems a little low to get me to
put someone on the list.  Last, by including "commercial sites" I am, in a
way,  spamming the NG and, thereby, becoming part of the problem that urged
me to start the welcome message in the first place.

Here is my counter proposal and rationale.  I will only have Joseph Wu's and
the Origami Interest Group addresses. As someone kindly pointed out, even
the Origami USA site is somewhat commercial.  Of course, if I take this out,
the BOS site goes as well since I don't want the perception of bias.  Having
two sites only will simplify the message even more.  Besides Joseph Wu's
site will link to many other places and there is no need to repeat them.
Also, the purpose was to help orient people and get them started - I think
having these two sites only already accomplishes that goal; there are
already faqs floating around.

I agreed that a good listing for supplies etc. is a good idea, but perhaps
someone can come up with something a lot better than a few addresses on a
brief message.  This will benefit both the businesses and the consumers.
Perhaps someone already has a good page somewhere dealing with commercial
sites that lists what is available and their track record etc.  If so, I can
then just link to the page from the welcome.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?  Again, I think the deciding factor is
what is in the best interest of the origami community.  If people think that
having the three sites listed by Matthias is helpful, then I would be happy
to include them (including the Origami USA and BOS sites).  I guess I am
wavering back and forth as I am seeing the good and bad from both options.

Note:  I will compile a final draft with changes etc. so please keep the
comments coming.  It does appear that people are generally in agreement with
having the welcome message.  I want this to be a community effort!

Thanks,

Wayne

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

> Who said we have to be fair to anybody? Nobody can force you to put
> ANYHTING in your welcome message. Any site list that you put in the
> message is your totally personal, subjective, and hopefully prejudiced
> opinion :-). It's just a welcome message to help newbies, after all, and
> not intended to be free advertisement for any of those commercial sites.
> If they're really desperate to have their name in it, make them pay for
> it (I think 5000 USD / year wouldn't be asking too much <g>).
>
> It is, indeed, rather difficult to find good origami paper and books,
> and there are only very few dedicated origami merchants. So I think
> mentioning a few commercial origami places (both on- and offline) can be
> very useful, for newbies and experts alike. If you want to, you can put
> in some sort of disclaimer (no personal involvement, just a happy
> customer, that sorta thing).
>
> However, I'd only put in sites that cater primarily for the
> origami/paper arts community. Otherwise you'd have to put in every paper
> manufacturer and every bookshop both on and off the net, and that would
> be a ridiculously long list.
>
> Put in those sites that are well known to provide good and reliable
> service. I'm sure people in here and on the list have some experience
> with origami sellers; I have heard several times that fascinating-folds
> and kimscrane, the two main origami online shops, are really reliable
> (but I have not done business with them myself). Then there is also
> Michael LaFosse with his Origamido company. Again, no personal
> experience, but his products are praised all over the origami community.
>
> Matthias





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 20:50
Subject: Re: Welcome message (again)

Wayne,

Maybe a solution to the commercial site problem would just be to include a
link in your FAQ to my sources page:

http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Welcome message (again)

> (This is in alt.arts.origami, but I think some of you may want to think
> about this as well)
>
> Again you're the voice of reason.  I've gotten a few private responses,
all
> of which were helpful and constructive and did not necessarily focus on
the
> commercial aspect.  The commercial site issue is just an over-reaction on
my
> part - I guess I'm a little paranoid since I can see it opening up a whole
> can of worms...  My family used to have a business and I know how tough it
> is to make ends meet, let alone be successful.  I chose the Fascinating
> Folds link since it was the one that popped up in my mind when I was
> writing.  In hindsight, I felt that by pointing out a particular site, *I*
> was being unfair to others and felt a bit guilty.
>
> There are several issues for me regarding this.  First,  where do I draw
the
> fine line between deciding which site gets on the list and which does not?
> Who am I to be given this power to influence a business on a public forum?
> Second, if I make the listing more comprehensive, it will no longer be a
> simple welcome - I would also then need to set out criteria for inclusion
or
> exclusion from the list.  Third (tongue-in-cheek),  I am only human and
will
> be tempted by bribes, although 5000 USD/year seems a little low to get me
to
> put someone on the list.  Last, by including "commercial sites" I am, in a
> way,  spamming the NG and, thereby, becoming part of the problem that
urged
> me to start the welcome message in the first place.
>
> Here is my counter proposal and rationale.  I will only have Joseph Wu's
and
> the Origami Interest Group addresses. As someone kindly pointed out, even
> the Origami USA site is somewhat commercial.  Of course, if I take this
out,
> the BOS site goes as well since I don't want the perception of bias.
Having
> two sites only will simplify the message even more.  Besides Joseph Wu's
> site will link to many other places and there is no need to repeat them.
> Also, the purpose was to help orient people and get them started - I think
> having these two sites only already accomplishes that goal; there are
> already faqs floating around.
>
> I agreed that a good listing for supplies etc. is a good idea, but perhaps
> someone can come up with something a lot better than a few addresses on a
> brief message.  This will benefit both the businesses and the consumers.
> Perhaps someone already has a good page somewhere dealing with commercial
> sites that lists what is available and their track record etc.  If so, I
can
> then just link to the page from the welcome.
>
> Anyone else have thoughts on this?  Again, I think the deciding factor is
> what is in the best interest of the origami community.  If people think
that
> having the three sites listed by Matthias is helpful, then I would be
happy
> to include them (including the Origami USA and BOS sites).  I guess I am
> wavering back and forth as I am seeing the good and bad from both options.
>
> Note:  I will compile a final draft with changes etc. so please keep the
> comments coming.  It does appear that people are generally in agreement
with
> having the welcome message.  I want this to be a community effort!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> > Who said we have to be fair to anybody? Nobody can force you to put
> > ANYHTING in your welcome message. Any site list that you put in the
> > message is your totally personal, subjective, and hopefully prejudiced
> > opinion :-). It's just a welcome message to help newbies, after all, and
> > not intended to be free advertisement for any of those commercial sites.
> > If they're really desperate to have their name in it, make them pay for
> > it (I think 5000 USD / year wouldn't be asking too much <g>).
> >
> > It is, indeed, rather difficult to find good origami paper and books,
> > and there are only very few dedicated origami merchants. So I think
> > mentioning a few commercial origami places (both on- and offline) can be
> > very useful, for newbies and experts alike. If you want to, you can put
> > in some sort of disclaimer (no personal involvement, just a happy
> > customer, that sorta thing).
> >
> > However, I'd only put in sites that cater primarily for the
> > origami/paper arts community. Otherwise you'd have to put in every paper
> > manufacturer and every bookshop both on and off the net, and that would
> > be a ridiculously long list.
> >
> > Put in those sites that are well known to provide good and reliable
> > service. I'm sure people in here and on the list have some experience
> > with origami sellers; I have heard several times that fascinating-folds
> > and kimscrane, the two main origami online shops, are really reliable
> > (but I have not done business with them myself). Then there is also
> > Michael LaFosse with his Origamido company. Again, no personal
> > experience, but his products are praised all over the origami community.
> >
> > Matthias





From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 20:59
Subject: Re: Welcome message (again)

I'm not really an expert at this kind of stuff, but what might solve this
quandry about commercial sites may be to just include a note telling people
that if they'd like, a seperate note with stores on it could be mailed. (What
a long sentence)  Does that make any sense?

Heather





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 21:15
Subject: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

Which of the two (JOA versus BOS magazines) have more complex models?

David





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 14 Jan 2000 22:41
Subject: Re: origami math course

D'gou wrote:

> Has anyone out there figured out the ideal strut ratio [for Five
Intersecting Tetrahedra]?

Yes. The ideal proportion for the starting rectangle is 1:3.0230, so starting
from a 1:3 rectangle is a pretty good approximation.

Robert J. Lang





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 00:33
Subject: Re: origami math course

Robert J. Lang, indited:

+Yes. The ideal proportion for the starting rectangle is 1:3.0230, so starting
+from a 1:3 rectangle is a pretty good approximation.

Thanks. While I'm curious to know how that was calculated, I can't
promise I'd be able to understand it enough to make it justifiable to
ask. ;-)

Since the discrepancy is less than 1% (0.23 / 3), my initial thought
about trimming the square before cutting into thirds is somewhat
impractical.  Perhaps a very minor, barely detectable overlap of edges
when doing the cupboard fold would be the easiest adjustment.

Thanks again,
        -D'gou





From: Penny Groom <penny.groom@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 04:48
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines - BOS

In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.1000114130823.5857C-100000@am.UCSC.EDU>, Ron
Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU> writes
>The BOS mag is the best! I have the last 150 issues and I always eagerly
>await the next new one! It costs US $55 I think for the year 2000 issues.
>Hey, charge it!
>
>Ron Arruda
Thanks for the recommendation Ron.

If anyone wants to join the BOS you can e-mail me a form from the BOS
web site  with your credit card number or if you are a little cautious
about e-mailing it you can fax it to my home fax 0044 116 2773870.( If
you don't have a credit card US$ cheques or dollar bills are fine)

Any members who have not rejoined yet for 2000  I hope to hear from you
soon.

A very Happy New Year to you all

Penny
Penny Groom

Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

please visit the Hunger Site at http://www.thehungersite.com/
clicking on this site once daily donates food at no cost to you to the
hungry around the world.

Make it your resolution for the millennium to do it every day.





From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Miguel_A._Mart=EDn_Monje?=" <miguelmartin@TELELINE.ES>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 07:29
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

The AEP magazine, Pajarita also has many complex models.
__________________________________________
                   Miguel
       miguelmartin@teleline.es





From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Miguel_A._Mart=EDn_Monje?=" <miguelmartin@TELELINE.ES>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 07:29
Subject: Member of the AEP

Hello:

If you want to become a member the AEP (Spanish Origami Society), you can
e-mail me (miguelmartin@teleline.es) or e-mail to the AEP
(aepinet@publynet.com)  with your credit card number and the date of
expiration.

If you don't like this form, too you can send us the card number in a letter
to:

Asociacisn Espaqola de Papiroflexia
Apartado de Correos 13156
28080 - Madrid
Spain

It costs 5000 pesetas / year, 30 $ dolars USA / year.

Each year we send 4 ordinary issues plenty of models, and an extraordinary
bulletin dedicated to any important thing or person related with origami.

If you want more information, please e-mail me or to the Society.

Happy folding ;o)
__________________________________________
                   Miguel
       miguelmartin@teleline.es





From: Ann Calabro <inchargemom@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 11:15
Subject: Re: Origami On-Line Guide

sorry, sent this without original text...

I tried to go to the home page for the on-line guide, it was a no go.  I did
have success going by   www.empnet.com/woodmansee/
where you can email the owner of that page.  Hope this helps...

>From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Origami On-Line Guide
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:23:41 -0800
>
>Does anyone know who compiled this:
>
>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee/origuide.htm
>
>Thanks!
>Dorothy

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From: Ann Calabro <inchargemom@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 11:15
Subject: Re: Origami On-Line Guide

I tried to go to the home page for the on-line guide, it was a no go.  I did
have success going by   www.empnet.com/woodmansee/
where you can email the owner of that page.  Hope this helps...

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From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 11:38
Subject: Serial Killer Ng

Someone asked about the most unusual place we'd seen Origami referenced.
Here's one that's strange but not "cute". In summaries of the trials and
peregrinations of serial murderer Charles Ng, there was a mention that he
had petitioned the court for origami paper, to fold while he awaited yet
another phase in his trials.(1999, San Francisco Chronicle)

Setting aside, for now, morbid curiosity about Ng's own history with
origami, I wonder about what the arguments for and against allowing him
to fold in prison were. Were there experts called on the practical or
spiritual benefits of origami? Were the lawyers' arguments about it
interesting in what they revealed about the lay public's attitudes toward
origami and toward "other" cultures' practices? Was there an interesting
ruling by the judge?

I've searched the newpaper indexes and on-line sources, but I can't get
no satisfaction! Without the painful process of scouring thousands of
pages of court transcripts for details like these, does anyone know of a
source for this seamy chapter in the story of Origami??

Jurisprudently, Ron Arruda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 12:29
Subject: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I forgot to mention that his Origami request was denied, which is what
makes it most interesting.

Ron Arruda





From: Linda Tsang <gjwthf@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 12:48
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

He must have gotten the paper. On at least two separate occasions,
Serial Killer Ng origami structures have been listed for auction on
EBAY.

Linda





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 13:07
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Charles used to be getting a small but steady supply of paper from me a
few years back. He wrote to me out of the blue, and I wasn't fully aware
of his history then.

I should think he would have written to other folders as well, for
supplies. I believe he was a member of BOS and/or OUSA at about that
time.

Ron.

Linda Tsang wrote:
>
> He must have gotten the paper. On at least two separate occasions,
> Serial Killer Ng origami structures have been listed for auction on
> EBAY.
>
> Linda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 13:17
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Linda Tsang and Ronald Koh,

Thanks for clarifying the record! Maybe the "court denial" mentioned in
the paper had to do with the state prison system supplying the paper?

Ron Arruda





From: Hans Olofsson <h.olofsson@TELIA.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 13:50
Subject: Paper

Hallo all Origamists!

My name is Hans Olofsson, sales manager of www.origamipaper.com and I am new to
     this list. One of the first mails I saw was about commercial sites on
     Origami l.

In order not to break any of the rules you have got, please inform me of the
     present rules re commercial sites and we shall follow them accordingly.

Happy Folding/Hans Olofsson





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 15 Jan 2000 13:50
Subject: Re: Serial Killer Ng

Ron wrote:

> I should think [Charles Ng] would have written to other folders as
> well, for supplies. I believe he was a member of BOS and/or OUSA at
> about that time.

Charles Ng has been corresponding with several different folders off and on
for many years, not all of whom were aware of his other hobbies during their
correspondence (he is quite charming in his letters). His various domociles,
which have included Folsom Prison (near Sacramento), the Orange County Jail
(where his trial was held last year), and San Quentin (his current abode,
post-conviction) have imposed varying restrictions on his origami activities,
some of which he has overcome by requesting books, papers, diagrams, et
cetera, from his various correspondents. By all accounts, San Quentin is one
of the less origami-restrictive locales (and that great view of the Bay!).

Origami had been mentioned occasionally in the lengthy newspaper coverage of
his extradition, legal battles, and eventual trial and conviction. During the
sentencing phase of his trial, one newspaper article reported that his
origami activities were cited as evidence that he should not be sentenced to
death.

He has also, on occasion, bestowed (or consigned) various artworks on some of
his correspondents, which have found their way to eBay and other internet
auction sites.





From: "John R. Mizell" <superj@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 15:11
Subject: Re: Origami On-Line Guide

Here's the complete URL for the home page:

http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee/welcome.html

It was missing the "l" off of the end. Have fun!

John

Ann Calabro wrote:

> I tried to go to the home page for the on-line guide, it was a no go.  I did
> have success going by   www.empnet.com/woodmansee/
> where you can email the owner of that page.  Hope this helps...
>
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From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 18:45
Subject: Re: Transparent paper

To make my flower petals transparent I use tracing paper...and after
completion of folding I spray it with clear sealer...this makes it
beautifully opaque

Beth
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----- Original Message -----
> Date:    Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:06:46 -0800
> From:    Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Folding transparent sheets
>
> I used to be a lithographic film tecnician, and I'd often use the heavy
> mylar waste films to fold. It's hard work, and only did well for me in
> large models. The creases had to be heavily rubbed with a metal ruler to
> stay, or even better was ironing them at a low temp, which set them
> permanentely. Iron with a cloth over them, or else a mess!
>
> I'm trying to think whether mylar is acetate, I think so. Anybody know
> for sure?
>
> Filmily, Ron Arruda





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 22:18
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

The prison he was in then (Folsom State) had specific rules regarding
the frequency of mail he was allowed from non-family correspondents.
Even the number of written or printed sheets per letter was controlled.
As I recall, he asked me to send something like no more than five to ten
sheets of origami paper per week.

I believe he had other suppliers as well. He sent me a small package of
his foldings through his lawyers, and the paper he used was not from me.

I don't think he needs origami paper from the state prison system -
maybe a relaxation of the rules to enable him to receive more.

Ron Koh

Ron Arruda wrote:
>
> Linda Tsang and Ronald Koh,
>
> Thanks for clarifying the record! Maybe the "court denial" mentioned in
> the paper had to do with the state prison system supplying the paper?
>
> Ron Arruda





From: Kyle Barger <kbarger@NAVPOINT.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 22:31
Subject: The Kawasaki Rose: Locking it

I am trying to learn the Kawasaki Rose in Origami for the Conoisseur.  I've
got it all done except the locking of the four points in step 15.  They
just want to pop right back out.  Any suggestions?  I'm sure this is a
well-trod subject but the previous posts I've found in the archives have
not given me any help.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 22:58
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Ronald,

With all due respect to you, I personally find the idea of reaching out
to mass murderer Ng by sharing origami with him terribly repugnant.

Dorothy





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:00
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I am sorry, I have missed a lot about this topic.  It is wierd to see the
word "killed" and "prison" on this mailing list.

>From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:17:10 -0800
>
>Linda Tsang and Ronald Koh,
>
>Thanks for clarifying the record! Maybe the "court denial" mentioned in
>the paper had to do with the state prison system supplying the paper?
>
>Ron Arruda

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From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:24
Subject: Re: The Kawasaki Rose: Locking it

>I am trying to learn the Kawasaki Rose in Origami for the Conoisseur.  I've
>got it all done except the locking of the four points in step 15.  They
>just want to pop right back out.  Any suggestions?  I'm sure this is a
>well-trod subject but the previous posts I've found in the archives have
>not given me any help.
>       hey , g`day ;)))

   What I do Is..  Crease all in side folds in the rose.
          fold thoses little triangles that the pleats on step 13 and hold
them all together.

 fold the first point in the top layer and goaround till ya do 3 of them
tuck the 3 folds in and hold the rose firm and place the last fold in to
make a sort of box.
this step is sort of hard. When its a small rose sometimes I can sit there
for hours trying to get that last one in ;)))))
anyway
after you do that I sometime tuck my fingers in to shape the rose and I use
a  tool to help me curve the petals :)))) hope this helps ya





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:42
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Dorothy Engleman indited:
+With all due respect to you, I personally find the idea of reaching out
+to mass murderer Ng by sharing origami with him terribly repugnant.

I guess it takes all kinds.

I'm with the person who felt that using the peace crane in association
with death to be "unfortunate" (my term). (More so than the use Dorothy
objects to, in my opinion.)

Are you suggesting that all forms of artistic expression be denied to
prisoners (or certain classes of prisoners), or just origami?

I for one am thrilled to find origami to be enough of an art form to be
used in _all_ the ways that art is used, and that would include its use
in prisons.

It wasn't that long ago that Rob Hudson was reporting on the use of
origami (or origami-like techniques) by some other prisoners, and the
response to that seemed to be quite positive.

Tossing out my two cents,
        -D'gou





From: I M <eldo1960@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:48
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Thank you, Dorothy, for posting the sentiment I felt but was too lazy or
didn't have the courage to say myself.
IM
=====================
Ronald,

With all due respect to you, I personally find the idea of reaching out
to mass murderer Ng by sharing origami with him terribly repugnant.

Dorothy

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From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 00:09
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

>Thank you, Dorothy, for posting the sentiment I felt but was too lazy or
>didn't have the courage to say myself.
>IM
>=====================
>Ronald,
>
>With all due respect to you, I personally find the idea of reaching out
>to mass murderer Ng by sharing origami with him terribly repugnant.
>
>Dorothy
>
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>i`ve just been trashing all mail on this topic . I found that the fact that
he did kill those people repugnant. ;))) not the fact that he likes origami





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 01:37
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

In a message dated 1/15/00 10:42:16 PM Central Standard Time,
dwp@TRANSARC.COM writes:

<< Are you suggesting that all forms of artistic expression be denied to
 prisoners (or certain classes of prisoners), or just origami?
  >>

I object to origami being sold on Ebay as Serial Killer Origami.  If one
wishes to be recognized for his folding, let not the work be associated with
foul deeds.  I, personally, find the idea of Ng gaining positive notoriety by
having his stuff sold with the header "Serial Killer" outrageous.

Although the ads contain a disclaimer that Ng does not personally benefit
from the profit, I am sure he does in some way.

Everyone has a right to fold... but please don't cheapen the artform by
associating it MULTIPLE MURDERS for sake of profit.

Just my two cents.

Russell Sutherland
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!





From: Leong Cheng Chit <leongccr@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 02:48
Subject: Re: origami math course

Thomas C Hull writes:
>
> Allan asks:
>
> >>>
> Hmmmm....I made a 3 coloured dodecahedron with the PHiZZ modules and the
3
> colouredness just worked.
>
> Was I lucky or does it always go together by just building each face so
the
> colours don't touch?
> <<<
>
> Yes, you got lucky.  Usually just "doing the colors blindly" will result
> in you being forced to, say, put a blue unit into another blue unit
> near the end.  This is especially true for larger buckyballs, like the
> soccer ball.
>
The 3 coloured dodecahedron has an uncanny resemblance to the icosahedral
retrovirus. Each of the 3 viral structural proteins, equivalent to the 3
colours of the dodecahedron, is grouped together with the other two.
Perhaps nature has a way of folding the protein molecules such that each
type.will only fit into the other two.

http://www.paperfolding.com/chengchit





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 03:18
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

As an artist, a humanist and an origami enthusiast, I am supportive of
prisoners' participation in the arts.

In respect to Charles Ng, who was convicted of eleven counts of
first-degree murder last year, I see nothing wrong with his involvement
in origami.  However, I am repulsed by the idea of reaching out to him
and offering him a helping hand with his origami.  Charles Ng is not
just another paperfolder.  He is a monster who has murdered eleven
people and forever destroyed the lives of his victim's families.
I realize not everyone shares my views. And despite our apparent
differences on this issue, I have enormous respect and admiration for
Ronald Koh.   I am a former crime victim and I wanted to bring another
perspective to this discussion.

Dorothy





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 05:17
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez

>Which of the two (JOA versus BOS magazines) have more complex models?

I don't know the JOA mag well, but I'd like to think the BOS mag always
features a full cross-section of models from simple to complex. At risk
of engendering flame, I'd sooner see one classic simple design than a
dozen complex nightmares....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 06:10
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

>david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez
>
>>Which of the two (JOA versus BOS magazines) have more complex models?
>
>I don't know the JOA mag well, but I'd like to think the BOS mag always
>features a full cross-section of models from simple to complex. At risk
>of engendering flame, I'd sooner see one classic simple design than
aclassic simple design
>dozen complex nightmares....
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
>
>well I'd sooner see a dozen complex nightmares than 100 classic simple design`s





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 06:27
Subject: Sliders

Robert Lang wrote re the five intersecting tetrahedra (FIT)

>Yes. The ideal proportion for the starting rectangle is 1:3.0230, so
starting
>from a 1:3 rectangle is a pretty good approximation.

It's perhaps worth mentioning that another good way to be reasonably exact
without being exact at all is to change the modular method slightly and make
each of the edges of the tetrahedra in two halves - one of which slides into
the other - so that the edges can be adjusted to fit more or less exactly
when all five tetrahedra are assembled.

This method has other benefits too - it makes it easier to get the corners
accurately sharp (you make each corner individually so you can distort them
to slip those little flaps into place without twisting everything else out
of line) - and the whole thing can be dissassembled/re-assembled without
damage if you ever need to put it into storage or transport it around for
exhibition.

I also reckon (though I haven't had time to experiment with the idea yet)
that this method would allow me to make polyhedra that fit inside other
polyhedra that fit inside other polyhedra etc. without the need for
mathematical exactness or special sizes of paper.

Dave Mitchell





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 07:16
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

Dear Fellows,
I have been folding for about five years now.As some of you may know I
learned how to fold while in prison. My journey was documented in issue 183
of the BOS journal.
I had a 35 year relationship with addictions and crime and can truely tell
you that the process of my rehabilitation started with my learning to fold!
I am not only in recovery but attend college in order to get my degree in
Human Services so that I can help others not as fortunate as myself. Our
prison system as it stands at this point does very little in regard to
rehabilitation.
I have founded CONJOIN a non-profit organization who's mission is "to
fasciculate services for families of the incarcerated" and have been using
origami with some of the children who parents are incarcerated.
Also it was on this list that I was given the opportunity to have in my life
a pen pal from Death Row who is a big part of my journey.
Even if you believe that persons do belong in jail,(and I do!),remember that
they as we have daily lives and origami may serve as just one tool in making
their day more tolerable and relieving some of the pressure on those they
come in contact with.
On the financial side Origami can be practised with scrap paper, no
scissors, and either in group or by oneself thus making one of the most
adaptable rehabilitative tools available.
I owe my life to Origami. Please take the time to think before you fold as
to what power lies in that piece of paper before you. There's much more than
meets the eye!
attached in my article from BOS.

                               Mike E. Kanarek
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From: Hatori Koshiro <hatori@JADE.DTI.NE.JP>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 07:43
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

> >Which of the two (JOA versus BOS magazines) have more complex models?
>
> I don't know the JOA mag well, but I'd like to think the BOS mag always
> features a full cross-section of models from simple to complex. At risk
> of engendering flame, I'd sooner see one classic simple design than a
> dozen complex nightmares....

JOAS magazine, a.k.a. Origami Tanteidan, usually features Fuse's boxes,
Tanaka's flowers, one nightmare, and one impossible. :)

Two magazines are published in Japan, Origami from NOA and Origami
Tanteidan from JOAS. They focus on simple models and complex ones,
respectively.

 _ _ _ _ _
|         |  Hatori Koshiro (Koshiro is my first name.)
|_._._._._|          hatori@jade.dti.ne.jp
|         |      http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/
|_ _ _ _ _|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
 If they keep on risking failure, they're still artists. (S.Jobs)





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 08:24
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

Hatori Koshiro indited:

+JOAS magazine, a.k.a. Origami Tanteidan, usually features Fuse's boxes,
+Tanaka's flowers, one nightmare, and one impossible. :)

I'd agree, its great!

+Two magazines are published in Japan, Origami from NOA and Origami
+Tanteidan from JOAS. They focus on simple models and complex ones,
+respectively.

The NOA magazine does occasionally, but not often, have something "not
simple," such as Kawasaki's Rose. It is more likely to have mutliple
piece models, models from odd size papers, etc. (Fuse often uses
non-square paper too, to be fair).

I am very curious to know, for the crease pattern challenge part of the
Origami Tanteidan (the impossible that Hatori Koshiro refers to?)...
Does the text (which is in Japanese) contains hints, instructions, or
anything else that might help one collapse the crease pattern, or does
it just contains history/background/etc. about the model.  This is the
part of the magazine I wish most to be able to read the words!

-D'gou





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 08:49
Subject: Re: JOA magazines versus BOS magazines

> I am very curious to know, for the crease pattern challenge part of the
>  Origami Tanteidan (the impossible that Hatori Koshiro refers to?)...
>  Does the text (which is in Japanese) contains hints, instructions, or
>  anything else that might help one collapse the crease pattern, or does
>  it just contains history/background/etc. about the model.  This is the
>  part of the magazine I wish most to be able to read the words!

This hits the nail on the head, for anyone that only speaks/reads English the
BOS will pobably be the best bet, you'll get a lot more out of it. For anyone
thats not a member of BOS yet go to their website and you'll see the kind of
articles you get in their magazine, and the February issue is going to be a
big one. So You'll definately get value for money with it :) )

On a teineously related subject I was given Origami Fantasy for christmas and
it's the first time I've came across models that unless you understand the
words, you're going to be spending a lot of time trying to figure out some of
the diagrams. So if parts of the JOA are classed as impossible by experienced
folders what chance do us mear mortals have :) )

On the plus side due to this book I can now recognise almost 30 symbols and
their aproximate meanings. Incidently could someone tell me the meaning of
this symbol it looks like a rectangle cut into thirds widthways:

***************
*                *
***************
*                *
***************
*                *
***************

I think it has something to do with number, steps or pages as it often
appears in index's and at the points where it tells you to repeat steps x to
y. Oh and if anyone has tips on the spiniosaurus steps 39 onwards I'd be
grateful.

Dave-(Im back)-S





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Jan 2000 09:56
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball Assembly

I was putting butterfly balls together this morning and have two more tips.
The box I use for assembling is in one of Paul Jacksons book and is called
the unfoldable box.  It has a trick opening of the box and it is hard to
unflold.  It is about 1/2 inch high.  If you are using 3" Kami paper which I
like best, you would make this box out of 6" Kami paper.  Then the first
square you assemble will fit right into it.  The other hint is to put them
into a plastic empty baby wipes box which protects them really well.  I
always put one of the little assembly boxes in with them so that I can
reassemble the ones I burst.  I use one each time I teach a class or birthday
party or program of any kind as a grand finale.....I have as many as a dozen
assembled and ready to go for any occasion.  They dont take long to
reassemble once you get the knack.  They are really worth practising.......a
great big thanks to the creator whose name I do not know .





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:03
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

At 07:57 PM 00-01-15 -0800, you wrote:
>Ronald,
>
>With all due respect to you, I personally find the idea of reaching out
>to mass murderer Ng by sharing origami with him terribly repugnant.
>
>Dorothy
>

I have mixed feelings about this.  I have strong feelings against the death
penalty, because, in my view, killing is wrong.  To execute a criminal is
to commit murder on my behalf, but part of me stronly wishes Ng could just
drop dead or disappear or something and save my conscience from having to
deal with it.  In my saner moments, I know even the most repugnant of us
are still humans and need to be treated as humans if we are to retain any
humanity at all.  If origami can provide a doorway to humanity, then let us
hope sending Ng bits of paper will help.  I can't see that it can do any
harm.  I wish I could find it in my heart to do even this small thing, but
I cannot, and I find it hideous that people are buying his projects.  Why
are they doing this? I can only guess, but I doubt they are motivated by a
need to advance humanity.

                        CAthy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:12
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

    They were probably afraid that he would give people lethal paper-cuts. ;-)

Stuart

<<<<<<<<
I forgot to mention that his Origami request was denied, which is what
makes it most interesting.

Ron Arruda





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:42
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

It is my view that Origami brings comfort and becomes a sort of meditation.
Though Ng is a murderer and that is abhorrent, he too is entitled to comfort
in facing a life in prison or death sentence, whatever he was given, even
though his crimes are unconscionable.  Who are we to deny him the same
comfort that Origami gives us.  We don't own this privilege.  Don't
misunderstand me, I don't feel sorry for him or apologize for him, only for
the position his life has placed him in for whatever reasons.  "There but for
the will of God go I" I think is the expression.  There I have had my say,
you don't have to agree....Dorigami





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:59
Subject: Re: The Kawasaki Rose: Locking it

It really depends what paper you use... normally, I tuck each point under
the next, a bit like weaving, and when I've got all four in the proper
position, they should lock each other. Otherwise, particularly if I want to
mount the flower on a stalk, I use (o horror!) a touch of glue on each of
the points. I have also had problems with the points in step 14, just
before, where they may also tend to unfold as I fold the next outer petals.
In that case I secure the folded points with paper clips until I've got all
four ready to start "weaving" them in step 15.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 12:20
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

If a serial killer wants to do origami, why not? At least that is a harmless
activity.
If there are people who have the kindness to contribute to his folding, I
think that's fine of them.
I don't know what turns some people into monsters and criminals, but I do
know true kindness can sometimes help people to become better.
What disgusts me in the business is the guy who hit on the idea of
auctioning origami folded by the serial killer, betting on the reputation
his crimes gave him to attract morbid interest and make money out of that.
Hyenas can't help being scavengers, but IMHO people should.

Julia (idealist) Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julia_P=E1lffy?= <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 12:35
Subject: Re: Annex to: Serial Killer Ng

I'd like to thank Cathy for putting into words the dilemma I feel too.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 16 Jan 2000 12:37
Subject: Re: The Kawasaki Rose: Locking it

Julia Palffy indited:

+It really depends what paper you use... normally, I tuck each point under
+the next, a bit like weaving, and when I've got all four in the proper
+position, they should lock each other. Otherwise, particularly if I want to
+mount the flower on a stalk, I use (o horror!) a touch of glue on each of
+the points.

That depends a lot on the paper and size of paper you are using. If the
paper is rough enough, surface friction can keep the flaps interlocked.
But for a smooth paper, or for a small rose, that isn't always enough.
If you curl the bottom petals, such that they span the hinge point of
the flaps, that can create additional forces which are trying to undo
the lock. For most of the roses I do from 4-6" kami, I end up having to
pinch the flaps at the hingepoint, which breaks the fibers of the paper
and releases/removes the tension which tries to unlock the base. The
wider the area of the pinch, the more the lock stays in place, but also
the boxier/squarer the base of the rose becomes.

Just my $0.02.
        -D'gou
