




From: Desdemona Taylor <Thalassa5@AOL.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 10:49
Subject: Re: hey !

Cute!  Got anymore like that?

Thalassa5





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 13:18
Subject: Sv: good how-to origami videos

Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK> sez

>http://www.thok.dk/video.html

Paul Jackson also released a video, less exciting and intriguing than
Thoks, but containing a lot more basic instruction in folding models.

all the best,

Nick "tact" Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 13:43
Subject: butterfly ball and modulars

Thanks for all of you help. After realizing that the 5" squares were a bit
too large, I tried again out of 2" and was able to assemble it in-hand
without much difficulty. Once that was done. I was actually able to assemble
the 5" one also in-hand, albeit with some difficulty.

I also use paper clips and those tiny plastic clothespins to assist in
difficult modular assemblies but I didn't see a way to do so with this
model. I did however like the suggestion to use post-it's on each square
face as temporary glue though.

Thanks again,

Howard

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Arthur C. Clarke





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 14:43
Subject: NO:  ASCII art

Desdemona liked Simon's truck graphic (me too!) so...

There's a bunch of websites with ASCII art, like Simon's truck.  Just
search on "ASCII art" and you'll get more than you can handle.

A ***warning*** though, ASCII art signatures already paraded through the
Origami-L some time back and generated some complaints because some people
pay internet hookup fees based on the length of the message or number of
characters or something, but the complex ASCII art was causing them to
incur expensive fees unnecessarily.

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 14:45
Subject: A day in Tokyo

Greetings all:

I will be fortunate enough to spend a day in Tokyo within the next week or
so.  I would be very interested in any recommendations as to where would be
the best place to go for Origami merchandise.

Suggestions?

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:01
Subject: origami math course

Hi everyone!

A while ago I mentioned that I'm teaching an undergraduate math course
on "combinatorial geometry" which will include a lot of origami-math.
Several people asked what I was going to cover and all that.

Well, I'm designing a web page for the course!  Anyone who wants
to try to keep tabs on what I'm covering and what assignmentss
I'm asking the students to do, check out:

http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/combgeom.html

There's only the Syllabus and the first assignment there now,
but I plan on addimg more throughout the Spring semester.

Let me know if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions!

---- Tom "not a web master" Hull
     Dept. of Math
     Merrimack College
     thull@merrimack.edu





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:24
Subject: Re: origami math course

Thomas C Hull schrieb:
> http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/combgeom.html
> Let me know if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions!
It's a very exciting idea. I can't wait to see all the other
assignments; I'll surely learn a lot.
Please get rid of that pink/blue colour scheme, it's giving me a
headache.

Matthias





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:50
Subject: LOG meeting notice, Tuesday Jan 25, 7-9pm [Littleton, MA USA]

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Large Meeting Room" downstairs.
We've grown too big for the "Small Meeting Room".

Since Valentine's Day and Chinese New Year will soon be here,
the theme for the meeting with be Hearts and Dragons.
Please bring your favorite origami hearts and dragons
to share, teach, or just show off.

If you are planning on coming, could you please send me email
so I have an idea of how many people to expect.  Thanks!

Dennis (dennisbrannon@netscape.net)

When: Tuesday, Jan 25, 2000, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

=================================================
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:58
Subject: Sv:      Sv: good how-to origami videos

Of Course, you are right Nick.

Thok's Video is not a "good how to" Origami Video,
It is not intended to teach "how to",

It is only the old Geezer showing off.

Sorry I mentioned it.

I'll do it again.

Have a look at http://www.thok.dk/video.html
and see what is in there and read what
John Smith wrote about it.

Thank you Nick

Greetings

the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North





From: Ian Aw <ian.aw@VIRGINNET.CO.UK>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 16:29
Subject: <no subject>

i am a final year architectural student in london interested in the
potential of paper folding and cutting as inspiration for architecture at
all scales

i am particularly interested in origami which is inherently dynamic (like
origamic architecture pop-ups) as opposed to static origami andhow i can use
this in interactive and intelligent architectural installations

if anyone has any leads apart from pop-up origami cd you please mail me at
ian_aw@hotmail.com as soon as you possibly can

thk you

ian aw
london
england





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 16:45
Subject: Re: <no subject>

Ian Aw schrieb:
> if anyone has any leads apart from pop-up origami cd you please mail me at
Take a look at the 'Not quite origami'- books in my booklist,
http://www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit/english/booklist.html
I don't quite see why people insist on calling it origami architecture,
though.

> ian_aw@hotmail.com as soon as you possibly can
You'll get your replies via email anyway, but only if somebody feels
like replying. This is a mailing list, not a help desk.

Matthias





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 17:33
Subject: Risky business

I have been asking for permission to put Sesame Street muppet characters on
my web site for ages. I have had some positive response from them but it's
been months and I'm fed up with waiting. I have decided to be pro-active and
ask them if they approve of the Origami diagrams that are on my web site. If
they ask me to remove them I will, but for now you can see Big Bird, Cookie
Monster and Oscar the grouch at my web site;

http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/

Here's hoping,
Robin Glynn.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 17:49
Subject: Re: Risky business

Donna & Robin schrieb:
> http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/

Thanks! If they yank your account, you'll be remembered as the Origami
Outlaw .-)

Matthias





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 17:51
Subject: [NO]YES  today

Dear List,

I am happy to know that today is a special day.
13-1-2000.

The birthday of Thoki Yenn.

Dear Thoki,
Congretulations on your birthday !!!!!!!!!
To you, Kalmon and all your family-friends on the list.
Have a nice day,

love,
xxxxxelsje & Harry
Lady Wittebeest van Groenen en Jora Imora Tygaris.





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 18:00
Subject: Good news!

Less than half an hour after putting the Muppet characters up on my web site
I had a response from CTW (Children's Television Workshop, the owners of the
Sesame Street characters) asking for a few modifications to be made but
basically giving approval for my designs. I think they intend to have them
on their official web site, although the designs are a bit to complex for
the average beginner.

They are sending me some official forms to fill in.

I hope this sets a precedent and that other organisations change their
over-protective views (like Paramount with Star-Trek, Lucas with Star Wars,
and Disney with everything).

Happy for a change,
Robin Glynn.

http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 18:04
Subject: Re: Risky business

Thank you very much for your risk taking approach.  I hope a lot of
kids who enjoy Sesame Street enjoy these pics and diagrams.  I know
I do! Big business is too often too big and fails to see the good
but can only think of the MONEY.  I wish you the best!
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane

Donna & Robin wrote:
>
> I have been asking for permission to put Sesame Street muppet characters on
> my web site for ages. I have had some positive response from them but it's
> been months and I'm fed up with waiting. I have decided to be pro-active and
> ask them if they approve of the Origami diagrams that are on my web site. If
> they ask me to remove them I will, but for now you can see Big Bird, Cookie
> Monster and Oscar the grouch at my web site;
>
> http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/
>
> Here's hoping,
> Robin Glynn.





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 18:20
Subject: Re: Good news!

I guess I sent my previous message too soon!  They did see the
good!  I am very happy!  What a way to go!!!!! Congratulations!
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com

Donna & Robin wrote:
>
> Less than half an hour after putting the Muppet characters up on my web site
> I had a response from CTW (Children's Television Workshop, the owners of the
> Sesame Street characters) asking for a few modifications to be made but
> basically giving approval for my designs. I think they intend to have them
> on their official web site, although the designs are a bit to complex for
> the average beginner.
>
> They are sending me some official forms to fill in.
>
> I hope this sets a precedent and that other organisations change their
> over-protective views (like Paramount with Star-Trek, Lucas with Star Wars,
> and Disney with everything).
>
> Happy for a change,
> Robin Glynn.
>
> http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:08
Subject: Re: good how-to origami videos

Good origami videos? Anything by Michael La Fosse!

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: bethstern <bethstern@FREEWWWEB.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:13
Subject: Re: Western NY folders

Hello

Is there anyone here from the Western NY area that would like to form a
folding group?  Or is there one already in existence and I'm not in the
know?

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton





From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 20:33
Subject: Ascii.

don`t worry i`ll keep my ascii`s pictures small. ;)
 Btw i`m in adelaide. ps thanks for the cool sites, i`ve just started
looking for diagrams on the net, any sites for pdf files would be great .





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 21:12
Subject: Re: Keeping modular origami together

Elise wrote:

<<I haven't had a chance to try the Butterfly Ball yet, so my solution may
not work in this instance. I can't be the only one to use paperclips for
things that fall apart; some may see this as cheating, but it's better than
glue isn't it?
--Elise>>

When I used glue to hold my butterfly ball together during assembly, it
didn't flutter into individual pieces when I hit it!

: )

deg farrelly





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 21:12
Subject: Re: good how-to origami videos

Rachel Katz wrote:

"Good origami videos? Anything by Michael La Fosse!"

Michael's "Origami Square One" is an excellent video tutorial, and he
has another beginner's video:

http://www.origamido.com/begin/beg.html

Nick Robinson wrote:

"Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK> sez
http://www.thok.dk/video.html

Paul Jackson also released a video, less exciting and intriguing than
Thoks, but containing a lot more basic instruction in folding models."

Paul, you made an instructional video?  How do I get my hands on it (in
NTSC format, of course!)?

Thoki Yenn's tape (Happy Birthday, Thoki!), sounds utterly delightful,
and I want it, too, and hope it comes in NTSC format.

Can anyone describe what "The Peace of Paper" video is like?

Dorothy





From: Michael Naughton <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 21:24
Subject: Re: [NO] Humor

Edward J. Crankshaw wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I will apologize to you or anyone else if I offended. I hold origami as well
     as
> everyone on this planet in high regard. I was merely sharing what I thought
     of as
> a creative pun which happened to be based on topics relating to Japan and
> origami. There was no intent on my part to comment upon the bombings of
     Nagasaki
> and Hiroshima. I cannot change what happened nor am I trying to make light of
     the
> event in our history. Please take the pun for it's creativity and leave it at
> that.
>
> - Ed

I don't know about everyone else, but you don't have to apologize to me.
I believe that a seldom-acknowledged truth is that most humor is likely
to offend _someone_, and that limiting ourselves to completely inoffensive
jokes would deprive us of much of the pleasure of laughter. As a person
with a particular ethnic/religious/cultural heritage, I find certain jokes
decidedly "not funny", but I try to shrug off that feeling by realizing
that any attempt to discourage those jokes would limit my opportunities
to enjoy jokes I _do_ find funny (and, let's face it, everybody is different!).

I am inspired by Garrison Keillor, host of a weekly radio show here in the US,
who does an annual "Joke Show". Usually, he includes a segment (at least) of
"tasteless" jokes, in the unabashed conviction that a lot of humor is tasteless.
His courage to be so out-front about this in today's "politically correct" world
is (to me) encouraging. True respect for others, in my opinion, means allowing
them the freedom to make total jerks of themselves (in my eyes); only then do I
have the freedom to make a total jerk of myself in front of them.

As I have done more than once. . . . ;-}

Mike "Did you hear the one about the <fill in the blanks>" Naughton





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 21:32
Subject: Re: Good news!

Robin wrote:

"Less than half an hour after putting the Muppet characters up on my web
site I had a response from CTW (Children's Television Workshop, the
owners of the Sesame Street characters) asking for a few modifications
to be made but basically giving approval for my designs. I think they
intend to have them on their official web site, although the designs are
a bit to complex for the average beginner.

I hope this sets a precedent and that other organisations change their
over-protective views (like Paramount with Star-Trek, Lucas with Star
Wars, and Disney with everything)."

That's terrific news Robin and kudos to your enterprise and initiative.
However, the Children's Television Workshop is a non-profit.  Using the
same approach with Paramount or Disney would more than likely get you a
strongly worded statement from their licensing department advising you
to remove their intellectual property from your website posthaste -
unless you were willing to purchase a license and they were willing to
grant you one.

Dorothy





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 21:32
Subject: Re: [NO]YES  today

>Dear List,
>
>I am happy to know that today is a special day.
>13-1-2000.
>
>The birthday of Thoki Yenn.

Happy birthday!!!

David





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:26
Subject: Joli Glaze

Has anyone recently seen Joli Glaze available from a supplier or have any
information on the manufacturer?  It seems the info on my origami suppliers
web page is out of date and I am trying to see if the company is still in
business or if the product is still available.

Janet Hamilton





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:30
Subject: Re: Good news!

Donna & Robin wrote:
>
> Less than half an hour after putting the Muppet characters up on my web site
> I had a response from CTW (Children's Television Workshop, the owners of the
> Sesame Street characters) asking for a few modifications to be made but
> basically giving approval for my designs. I think they intend to have them
> on their official web site, although the designs are a bit to complex for
> the average beginner.
>
> They are sending me some official forms to fill in.
>
> I hope this sets a precedent and that other organisations change their
> over-protective views (like Paramount with Star-Trek, Lucas with Star Wars,
> and Disney with everything).

> http://www.keme.net/~rglynn/

Congratulations!  I am glad some one has gotten approval for something
somewhere!

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: 12 Jan 2000 23:59
Subject: Welcome Message for alt.arts.origami

As most of you are aware, alt.arts.origami is not as active as the mailing
list.  However, I feel that it is an important newsgroup since a lot of
people new to the net may end up there in search of others interested in
origami.  There is often a bit of SPAM and sometimes there may be no
postings at all.  I've made a draft (with help from Matthias Gutfeldt) of a
welcome message which I'll post to the NG regularly (probably once every
week)to help orient newcomers.  It is not a FAQ and hence is very brief - it
is meant to help newcomers get started.  Also there were some suggestions
that this may be posted to alt.binaries.pictures.origami and
rec.arts.origami as well with the appropriate changes.

I would appreciate any comments, suggestions or changes. Also, if you have
objections to such a post, I would like to know as well.  The whole intent
of this is to help bring the origami community together and if people feel
it is disruptive or inappropriate, I would obviously not proceed.  If the
response is positive, I will start posting this to alt.arts.origami and
alt.binaries.pictures.origami.  My provider recently dropped
rec.arts.origami and if anyone feels that this is a positive step and want
to initiate this with rec.arts.origami, please feel free to do so.

Thanks,

Wayne

_______________________

Hi and welcome to alt.arts.origami

This is to inform you that there is a community of dedicated folders who
participate in this newsgroup and will try to offer help, suggestions and
comments regarding your origami postings wherever possible.  Please do not
feel offended if you do not get a response as people may not always have the
answer to what you are looking for.  Sometimes, the number of postings may
be small and sometimes there may be a bit of SPAM, but there are people reading!

For those of you new to the net, here are a few things to get you started:

1)  Are there other newsgroups available?

Yes, namely, rec.arts.origami and alt.binaries.pictures.origami

(Sadly, alt.binaries.pictures.origami is not a thriving NG and is often full
of pornagraphy ads - be warned!  However, once in awhile there are
legitimate postings.)

2)  Are there any good sites on the web?  Where can I find diagrams?  Where
can I buy origami books/supplies?

There are lots of sites available.  Use your search engines to look up
"origami".  Here are a few sites to help get you started  (Please note that
this is not a comprehensive listing and is not meant to say that one site is
better than another; it is just to help newcomers get started.) :

http://origami.vancouver.bc.ca (Joseph Wu's Origami Page)

ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami (Origami Interest Site)

http://www.origami-usa.org  (Origami USA)

http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos  (British Origami Society)

http://fascinating-folds.com  (An online origami store)

3)  Where are all the discussions about origami?

There is an origami mailing list with lots of discussions.   However, the
mailing list is not for everyone.  If you are  interested in joining,  check
out Joseph Wu's Origami Page (address listed above) and look under the
Information link.  Please make sure you read all the options available to
avoid any surprises.  In particular, you should take special note on how to
unsubscribe if you find that the mailing list is not for you.

Any comments regarding this posting can be directed to this newsgroup or you
can email Wayne directly at wko@istar.ca





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 03:05
Subject: Sv: Sv: good how-to origami videos

Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK> sez

>It is only the old Geezer showing off.

To great effect!

>Sorry I mentioned it.

Mentioned what? The video at http://www.thok.dk/video.html  ??

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 03:33
Subject: Joli Glaze

With a quick search I have found

at http://www.concentric.net/%7EMikeinnj/orisrc.shtml I found

Joli Plastics and Chemical Corporation
14922 Garfield Ave.
Paramount, CA 90723
"Joli Glaze" for coating finished models. Good for making models into
jewelry. It is available in craft stores.

Also see.....

http://www.dollstuff.com/cata3.htm

http://www.artsupplyconnection.com/

And at  http://www.afcee.brooks.af.mil/pro_act/ti/rwr/8771.htm
There is info on, Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS).

Joe.





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 03:48
Subject: Re: Ascii.

Thoki Yen has some good & different models (magic rings & DNA molecule
spring to mind).
http://www.thok.dk/

-----------------

The CDO site is quite good too (a fantastic Cobra in the "Models of the
Month" section). Its all in Spanish (I think) but not too difficult to
figure out what they mean.
http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/

-----------------

And of course the rug.nl site, LOADS of diagrams
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami

-----------------

And finally Joseph Wu's site, a lovelyt site with loads of links & diagrams.
http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

-----------------

Enjoy.
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon [mailto:godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU]
Sent: 13 January 2000 01:32
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Ascii.

don`t worry i`ll keep my ascii`s pictures small. ;)
 Btw i`m in adelaide. ps thanks for the cool sites, i`ve just started
looking for diagrams on the net, any sites for pdf files would be great .





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 04:24
Subject: Origami On-Line Guide

Does anyone know who compiled this:

http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee/origuide.htm

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 05:02
Subject: Re: Origami On-Line Guide

My apologies, I just noticed the URL. Steve Woodmansee is the author of
that wonderful on-line guide.

Dorothy





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 05:20
Subject: Thoki's Birthday

I hear from Elsje that today is Thoki's Birthday.

Happy Birthday Thoki! Bottoms up!

Is it a good idea to call the 13th of January "Geezer's Day" from now on?

Greetings,
Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: Alan Shutko <ats@ACM.ORG>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 08:39
Subject: Re: Good news!

Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET> writes:

> Using the same approach with Paramount or Disney would more than
> likely get you a strongly worded statement from their licensing
> department

It's pretty cool to get said letter.  My cousins and I were going to
make Episode 1 when we were around 12 or so, and mentioned it in a
letter to Lucas.  Got back a very polite letter saying that it was ok
for the enjoyment of our family, but if we spread it around in any way
we'd be in serious legal trouble.  We still have the letter.  8^)

--
Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
Sinner:  A stupid person who gets found out.





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 10:32
Subject: Re: [NO]YES  today

On 13-Jan-00, Elsje vd Ploeg (evdploeg@BETUWE.NET) wrote:
>Dear List,

>I am happy to know that today is a special day.
>13-1-2000.

>The birthday of Thoki Yenn.

Now someone has to come up with a 3x3x3 cube thing which can be
rotated to show 3 different patterns...

Happy birthday, Thoki, I hope you can make it to SOM3!

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:43
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball Assembly

Re what the ball looks like.  It is a duodecahedron.  It has six flat squares
and 6 inverted equilateral triangles.  That helped me whan I was first making
it.  There is a picture and instructions of it in one of Gay Merrill Gross
books.  I forget the name but I think they are still available.  You start
with a square.....putting four little butterflies together made with two
diagonals on one side and just one book fold on the other.    You sort of
weave 4 points together to begin with...  Does this help.





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:12
Subject: Re: origami math course

In a message dated 1/12/00 4:01:49 PM, tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU writes:

<< http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/combgeom.html
 >>

Can't wait to see more of your origami math course.  This is the area of
origami that interests me the most.....Dorigami





From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:20
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball Assembly

I've read everyone's messages about this butterfly ball.. and I've decided I
want to try to make one.  Where can I get the instructions for assembly?  If
I'm asking a question that's already been covered, I apologize.  Thanks

Heather





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:57
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball Assembly

Gay Merrill Gross's "Art of Origami" has the instructions for the ball along
with assembly tips (I prefer to assemble it inside a masu box).  The ball
consists of 12 modules which are nothing more than waterbomb bases with one
of the book folds missing.  To make the unit, fold a square in half
diagonally both ways, turn the paper over and fold in half horizontally one
way.





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:09
Subject: Re: Good news!

Re Muppets,etc

What jolly good diagrams! Keep up the good work, and I hope CTW commision a
whole set.

My favorite was always cookie monster, although I do have a certain empathy
with oscar the grouch.

Stephen
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:11
Subject: Re: Welcome Message for alt.arts.origami

I thought that the rec.arts.origami newsgroup and the alt.arts.origami
newsgroup were the same.  When I got both I saw the same articles in both
newsgroups.

David





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 15:00
Subject: Re: Welcome Message for alt.arts.origami

david whitbeck schrieb:
> I thought that the rec.arts.origami newsgroup and the alt.arts.origami
> newsgroup were the same.  When I got both I saw the same articles in both
> newsgroups.
If they were the same, they wouldn't have different names :-). It's just
that many people crosspost to rao and aao, because a) some people get
rao but not aao and vice versa, and b) there isn't a lot of traffic
anyway, so crossposting doesn't hurt.

Matthias





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Jan 2000 17:07
Subject: Re: Butterfly Ball Assembly

Sorry People,
This is a little disorganized.

[Part 1]
A while back I made some notes on where
my folds had been published, and from that list:

Butterfly Ball
        OrigamiUSA newsletter ?,
        The Art of Origami, by Gay Merrill Gross, copyr. 1993,
            ISBN 0-7924-5841-9, pages 50-53.
        Oru magazine, # 9, I think

It is also in a new book on modular folding,
Building with Butterflys, or something like that,
sorry, I don't have it handy at the moment,
just came out this year.

Hope that helps.

Aloha, and Happy New Year!
Kenneth

[End of Part 1]
----
[Part 2]
-----Original Message-----
From: bethstern
To: "Mad"
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:07:08 -0500
Subject: Re: butterfly ball

>received the diagram for the butterfly ball...can you tell me how it is
>assembled? and are they all waterbomb bases or what?
>Have you made one?

In reverse order of questions:

Yes, I've made a few.   :-)

They are all twelve waterbomb bases, with one bookfold crease
left out. (You could use complete waterbomb bases, but the extra
crease makes them a little too floppy.)

There are actually two different ways (that I know of at this time)
to assemble them. The first, and simpler, way is diagrammed.

Look close and notice that the four quarters of a "butterfly" are
alternately under and over quarters of neighboring butterflies.
The under-over-under-over interlocking holds the ball together.

(By the way, assembly method two uses an under-under-over-over
lock. The square faces that result end up bisected instead of
quartered. A pretty color variation.)

Look again, and notice that the butterflies can be thought of as
arranged in three layers, from the bottom up.

Layer 1, four butterflies, head to tail, overlapped in a square.

Layer 2, four butterflies, standing on their tails, shoulder to shoulder,
not overlapping each other, but with tails carefully worked into
layer  1, so their tails complete the triangular dimples that lock the
butterflies together in threes.

Layer 3, the last four butterflies, again head to tail, under-and-over-
lapping layer 2 to complete a second round of triangular dimples,
and eventually overlapping each other in layer 3 in a square, like
layer 1.

As noted by somebody else, it does help to fold a "masu" box
(traditional simple square box, named after the old square
wooden cup used to measure rice, I think) large enough to
hold the squares the butterflies were folded from, and use this
box to hold layer 1 in place while adding layers 2 and 3.

Me, I didn't think of that, so I assembled them in my hands,
cradling the layers in one hand, while adding pieces with the
other. Being left handed, I cradled with the right hand, and
added with the left. Do whatever feels comfortable. As a last
resort, you can try to stick the butterflies together temporarily
with sticky notes.  :-)

Also, before you start assembling, flatten the butterfly/waterbomb-
bases to sharpen the creases, and then open them a bit, so the
wings are at 90 degrees, a right angle, to each other.

Then assemble Layer 1, Layer 2, and Layer 3.

The last butterfly will be a little tricky. Start by laying it down over
the four quarter-neighbors, so it helps hold the ball together.
Figure out which two flaps have to go under, and, very carefully
ease them into position, prying up the neighbors they go under,
one at a time.

Color arrangements: The larger cube that the butterfly ball fits in
can be sliced along three different axes, to get three different
sets of "layers". There are three "Layer 2"-s, of non-over-lapping
sets of four butterflies, that form 'belts' around the cube. So, if
you don't have twelve different colors, you could make do with
three colors, and four butterflies of each color, and plan for each
color to be one of the belts. Or use six colors, two butterflies each,
and pair up opposite cube edges.

[End of Part 2]
----
[Part 3]
To Thoki Yenn,

Congratulations on your birthday.
I hear from a friend that you liked my Butterfly Box.
I am honored that it pleases you.

[End of Part 3]
----
Aloha,
"Mad"
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 17:39
Subject: Re: Verdi's Vase (was:Re: Transparent Papers)

Greetings from remote California! I'm new to this list. Just saw the
quiry for Verdi's Vase and came across the diagrams in the American
Origami newletter of Fall 1989, just after Verdi Adams had died.

It says the fold is traditional Chinese. Verdi Adams used to teach it as
a special favorite in the US. The fold was taught him by Philip Shen (US),
and it's diagrammed here by Mark Kennedy (US).

I don't know what your proocols are on "fair use", though I'm sure this
has been endlessly chewed over in this space! If wanted, I can Xerox a
copy of this and send it by paper mail (p-mail?) to the person seeking same.

Yours very truly,

Ron Arruda in Santa Cruz





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 17:50
Subject: Re: [NO] Humor

I agree with Michael Naughton that almost all humor will have some
offending effect on some people. Ethnic humor is not seen much these days
is public forums, but among people of a given ethnicity, jokes about
their own are abundant and thought very funny. For example, I'm
Portuguese, and when I meet other "Portagees" we always have a laugh
about who we are and where we've come from.

It's a delicate subject, and there's no easy solution.

More will be revealed!

Ron Arruda





From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 17:56
Subject: CDO

The CDO is an Italian group. Centro Diffusione something.





From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 18:49
Subject: Kawasaki new_rose.:-p~

g`day i was just wondering if any one has finished making the rose from
Kawasaki. :)) lol not the old one the new one. :))))))))))
The first one too me 4 years to work out. Pretty poor really.

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From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 18:59
Subject: SV:      CDO

Centro Diffusione ... Origami of course!

Dino

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Arruda <arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:53 PM
Subject: CDO

> The CDO is an Italian group. Centro Diffusione something.





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:57
Subject: forgetful AND Perth folders

Some weeks ago, a URL was posted for minimalist folding, such as no fold
maps of a couple of US states, but I can't remember who's page it was.  I've
tried the archives, but cannot even find the right "key" words.
On another note, Happy Birthday to dear Thoki - re-rereading Douglas Adams,
I have come to the conclusion that the Great Kalmon could well be Odin - how
better could a great immortal pass the time? (my husband's 49 today - almost
a really old geezer, but one of those myriad Japanese who CANNOT fold!! -
it's NOT genetic!!)
Finally, ATTENTION to all PERTH (WA) folders - I now have a contact at
Scitech, and we might be able to use their facilities to form a group and
even get their shop to stock origami books - let me know directly if
interested... (please put ORIGAMI in the subject so it goes to my private
mail, as this is a work address).

The meek but rather fantastic Clare of the West.





From: Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 20:43
Subject: Origami Magazines

Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
mentioned here?  I'm pretty new to folding, and would love all of the
information I could find on the subject.  Thanks for the help.

Heather





From: Michael Naughton <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 21:06
Subject: Re: Keeping modular origami together

Elise wrote:

> I can't be the only one to use paperclips for things that fall apart;
> some may see this as cheating . . .

Rest assured, you're not the only one! I heard none other than the
modular genius Dr. Robert Neale say once some years ago that he often
used paperclips and even tape to hold models together during construction,
and he did not seem to consider it cheating at all -- in fact, he seemed
to regard them as mere means to an end (which, of course, they are).
I have also had great luck with doll-house clothespins (the "snap" kind).

To me, the bottom line is not what you have to do to assemble the model
(after all, what's the difference between having to scrouch down in an
easy chair using all of your fingers plus your chest and stomach vs. a
couple of paper clips?), but whether a) the model holds together without
assistance once it is complete (and I've made models that make the
Butterfly Ball look like the Rock of Gibralter!), and b) whether it shows
signs of the tools you used during construction.

Mike "Isn't using tools what makes us higher primates?" Naughton





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 21:17
Subject: Re: Joli Glaze

Joe,

The link at:

>
> at http://www.concentric.net/%7EMikeinnj/orisrc.shtml
>

is my page.  I was trying to locate updated info on the manufacturer of Joli
Glaze.  The MSDS link you sent seems to indicate that PRO-ACT could not
locate the manufacturer either.  I was hoping someone would know if they
closed or moved or were renamed.

Thanks for doing the search!

Janet





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Jan 2000 22:50
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines

In a message dated 01/13/2000 8:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM writes:

<< Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
 mentioned here?  I'm pretty new to folding, and would love all of the
 information I could find on the subject.  Thanks for the help.
  >>

Hi!  I am the contact person for Origami House Gallery which publishes
various books and the JOAS (Japan Origami Academic Society) magazine.  The
following is a description of the publications available to order through me:





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Jan 2000 22:58
Subject: Magazine information - Part 2

Dear all,

Sorry.  I managed to send previous message without complete information.
Here it is in full, I hope  :)

In a message dated 01/13/2000 8:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM writes:

<< Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
 mentioned here?  I'm pretty new to folding, and would love all of the
 information I could find on the subject.  Thanks for the help.
  >>

Hi!  I am the contact person for Origami House Gallery which publishes
various books and the JOAS (Japan Origami Academic Society) magazine.  The
following is a description of the publications available to order through me:

Tanteidan 5th Convention book (63 models, intermediate to complex, 256 pages,
Black & white softcover)

Chrysanthemum by Hiroaki Takai (simple modular flower with effective results)
Sports Car by Ryo Aoki
Case Crab by Yoshihisa Kimura (clever two pc model with small box for body)
Caterpillar by Hideo Komatsu
"Twister" by Miyuki Kawamura (30 pc modular star)
Spiral Box by Tomoko Fuse (4pc lid and 4pc base cut from A4 sized paper)
Nishiki Koi (Japanese Carp) by Go Kinoshita (color change to create spots on
back)
A number of dinosaurs, dragons and mythical creators by various Japanese
creators

Models by foreign creators:
Vase "Duet" by Yurii Shumakov (decorative vase with two holes for flowers)
Clown by Yurii & Katrin Shumakov (3D 5pc modular fits together without glue)
Oleander by Katrin Shumakov (1 or 2 pc flowers with leaf & stem assembly)
Edelweiss by Katrin Shumakov (multi piece flower with leaf & stalk assembly)
Seagull, Butterfly, Flapping Butterfly, Boomerang, Seashell & Cobra by David
Derudas (the boomerang really flies!, cobra on display was remarkable)
$ Pyramid and Balancing $ Eagle by Jeremy Shafer ($ eagle balances on $
pyramid)
Ostrich, Anteater and Alligator by Peter Budai
"Fluffy" by Marc Kirschenbaum (cute 3-D teddy bear model)

Here's a partial list of contents from Mr. Yamaguchi's "Joyful Life With
Origami" which is 200 pages long,  has color photographs and over 50 simple
to high intermediate models diagrammed:

The book is divided into six parts:

    TABLE SENSE - 8 groupings (napkin folds, bowls, chopstick holders, candy
dishes, bottletop decorations, etc.)

    GREETINGS & GIFTS - 8 groupings (gift boxes, noshi envelopes, bottle neck
wraps, letterfolds, gift cards, shopping bag & cardholder)

    SMALL ITEMS & ACCESSORIES - 4 groupings (wallets, photo stand, tissue
case, brooch & earrings, barrette)

    INTERIOR DECORATION - 6 groupings (flower arrangements, mobile, namecard,
lampshade, vase)

    HOME PARTY FUN - 4 groupings (table settings, napkin rings, fish game,
party games)

    SEASONAL EVENTS - 7 groupings (New year's decorations, Kabuki lion
dancers, Hina dolls, tanabata steamers, various Christmas ornaments)

The cost of the books are:

        Tanteidan 5th Convention book       $28.00
        Yamaguchi's book                    $19.00

Cost of the books includes shipping to overseas addresses.

Also available is membership to JOAS (Japan Origami Academic Society)
bi-monthly publication.  This magazine has a full color photo on the front
page, clear diagrams of models (intermediate to complex level) as well as
various articles and columns in Japanese.  The six issues/year membership
cost is $40.00/year.

The following information is required for their application form:

Full name
Mailing address
Telephone/Fax Nos.
E-mail address
Date of birth
Sex
Occupation
Hobbies

Please let me know if you are interested in any of the books and give me your
mailing address (and other details if interested in ordering JOAS
membership).  I will add your order to others and mail to Mr. Yamaguchi later
this month.

Sincerely yours,

June Sakamoto
9 Merrill Drive
Mahwah, NJ  07430

PS:  I can accept US personal checks, money orders, int'l postal money
orders, bank drafts, etc. in US currency.

PPS:  You will receive your publications directly from Tokyo about 3-4 weeks
after the order has been sent to Mr. Yamaguchi.





From: Ross Cooper <Zxenor@AOL.COM>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 23:00
Subject: Re: Keeping modular origami together

speaking of keeping things together while folding them...i once folded five
intersecting tetra-hetra (author unknown) without tape, paperclips, or
anything else out of 3 in. colored notepad paper... it looked REALLY NEAT, so
i gave it to my old geometry teacher :-).  She liked it.

i'd like to know some of the hardest modular things people have folded, and
what size paper...maybe it'll be a good challenge for some of us.

    -Ross





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 13 Jan 2000 23:45
Subject: Re: Magazine information - Part 2

Could anybody tell me the content of the magazines?  What I mean is how
many complex models per magazine?  Modulars?  Simple ones?  And roughly how
many pages per magazine?  Thank you for your time and happy folding :)

David





From: slickwillie@MYLAPTOP.COM
Date: 14 Jan 2000 00:37
Subject: Folding transparent sheets

Has anyone here tried using acetate for origami?  If so how well
does it hold a crease and is it hard to fold?

-Slick Willie





From: Simon <godnomis@CHARIOT.NET.AU>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 01:18
Subject: Re: Folding transparent sheets

>Has anyone here tried using acetate for origami?  If so how well
>does it hold a crease and is it hard to fold?
>
>-Slick Willie
>
>hey slick, yeah I have , colour overhead projector sheets work  the best.
In clear they come in two thicknesses , but one thicknees for colour (blue
green yellow red) and I use my sissors to help to foldd the edge`s. they
cost about $1 each in australia , at office stores.

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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 03:48
Subject: Re: CDO

Oops sorry. Being mono-lingual Spanish & Italian are VERY similar when
written down.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Arruda [mailto:arruda@CATS.UCSC.EDU]
Sent: 13 January 2000 22:54
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: CDO

The CDO is an Italian group. Centro Diffusione something.





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 03:52
Subject: Re: origami math course

Hmmmm....I made a 3 coloured dodecahedron with the PHiZZ modules and the 3
colouredness just worked.

Was I lucky or does it always go together by just building each face so the
colours don't touch?

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM [mailto:DORIGAMI@AOL.COM]
Sent: 13 January 2000 17:10
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: origami math course

In a message dated 1/12/00 4:01:49 PM, tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU writes:

<< http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/combgeom/combgeom.html
 >>

Can't wait to see more of your origami math course.  This is the area of
origami that interests me the most.....Dorigami





From: Wayne Ko <wko@ISTAR.CA>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 04:11
Subject: Re: Welcome message for alt.arts.origami

Thanks for the responses so far.  I will email a final draft to the list
before proceeding to make sure everything is agreeable.  Matthias has
offered to post to rec.arts.origami.  Since he helped with the idea, I
thought he would be the most appropriate for the task.

I think that to be fair to all the commercial sites, I will remove the
Fascinating Folds link and have *no commercial sites* of any kind in the
message.  I put the link up originally to help people get started without
realizing the full ramifications, In hindsight, I think that idea is a bit
controversial. My apologies to all the other commercial sites, it was not
meant as a snuff of your sites.  Again, there will be no direct commercial
links of any kind!

The rather vague directions to getting onto the mailing list is deliberate.
This is to prevent unscrupulous people from easily obtaining a whole bunch
of email addresses to satisfy their evil needs.

Thanks,

Wayne





From: Faye Goldman <FayeG@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 06:16
Subject: Re: origami math course

I think you were lucky.  I had to diagram on paper first to get it correct!

Subject: Re: origami math course

> Hmmmm....I made a 3 coloured dodecahedron with the PHiZZ modules and the 3
> colouredness just worked.
>
> Was I lucky or does it always go together by just building each face so
the
> colours don't touch?





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 06:35
Subject: Origami Magazines - BOS

Heather Hill <FerrtKeepr@AOL.COM> sez

>Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
>mentioned here?

If you can afford it, I recommend joining the British Origami Society -
we have 6 excellent magazines a year, more than any other society in the
world, I think. Check our website at the address below.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:21
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines - BOS (& beyound)

Nick Robinson wrote, in reply to Heather Hill's inquiry about origami
magazines:

+>Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
+>mentioned here?
+
+If you can afford it, I recommend joining the British Origami Society -
+we have 6 excellent magazines a year, more than any other society in the
+world, I think.

OUSA is making an effort to ramp up to 6 issues a year. I believe the
Tantiedan magazine is also 6 times a year.

If you are out to harvest diagrams, the BOS publication is a nice one,
and the current editor is pushing to have even more diagrams per issue
(No, I haven't done a scientific comparison of models/issue, or
pages-of-diagrams/issue, this is just a subjective feeling). This is
also not a slight against any former or future editors, just Rick's
focus.

As OUSA is still getting their "groove" going on the 6-issues/year its
hard to make a comparison yet.

The Tanteidan Magazine has about as many (again, by feel) diagrams as the BOS
magazine. It also has color photos and a crease pattern challenge for the
really dedicated (unless there is a "trick" to folding crease patterns that
isn't generally known, but last I heard collapsing a model from a crease
pattern is np-complete in the general case).

The West Coast Origami Guild has a monthly newsletter, with a model per issue
(Terry Hall edits and produces it and tries to include a previously
unpublished model with the issue).

Jeremy Shafer of BARF (Bay Area Rapid Folders) puts out a quarterly
BARF newsletter than usually contains several diagrams, from beginner
to complex.

CDO, of recent mention on this list, has a magazine, at about
or slightly below the BOS level of diagrams/issue.

Origami Sweden (Sorry, I can't recall the correct English rendition of the
name), has a newsletter as well.

The German national group has one too, as I recall, Der Falter.

You should be able to find information about all these societies, and probably
more, from Joseph Wu's Origami site: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

-D'gou





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:44
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines - BOS (& beyound)

   How much do each of these magazines cost?
Stuart

In a message dated Fri, 14 Jan 2000  8:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Doug
     Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> writes:

> Nick Robinson wrote, in reply to Heather Hill's inquiry about origami
> magazines:
>
> +>Does anyone know where I can go to subscribe to some of the magazines I see
> +>mentioned here?
> +
> +If you can afford it, I recommend joining the British Origami Society -
> +we have 6 excellent magazines a year, more than any other society in the
> +world, I think.
>
> OUSA is making an effort to ramp up to 6 issues a year. I believe the
> Tantiedan magazine is also 6 times a year.
>
>
> If you are out to harvest diagrams, the BOS publication is a nice one,
> and the current editor is pushing to have even more diagrams per issue
> (No, I haven't done a scientific comparison of models/issue, or
> pages-of-diagrams/issue, this is just a subjective feeling). This is
> also not a slight against any former or future editors, just Rick's
> focus.
>
> As OUSA is still getting their "groove" going on the 6-issues/year its
> hard to make a comparison yet.
>
> The Tanteidan Magazine has about as many (again, by feel) diagrams as the BOS
> magazine. It also has color photos and a crease pattern challenge for the
> really dedicated (unless there is a "trick" to folding crease patterns that
> isn't generally known, but last I heard collapsing a model from a crease
> pattern is np-complete in the general case).
>
> The West Coast Origami Guild has a monthly newsletter, with a model per issue
> (Terry Hall edits and produces it and tries to include a previously
> unpublished model with the issue).
>
> Jeremy Shafer of BARF (Bay Area Rapid Folders) puts out a quarterly
> BARF newsletter than usually contains several diagrams, from beginner
> to complex.
>
> CDO, of recent mention on this list, has a magazine, at about
> or slightly below the BOS level of diagrams/issue.
>
> Origami Sweden (Sorry, I can't recall the correct English rendition of the
> name), has a newsletter as well.
>
> The German national group has one too, as I recall, Der Falter.
>
> You should be able to find information about all these societies, and probably
> more, from Joseph Wu's Origami site: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/
>
> -D'gou





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:05
Subject: Challenging modular origami (was: Keeping modular origami together)

On 14-Jan-00, Ross Cooper (Zxenor@AOL.COM) wrote:

>i'd like to know some of the hardest modular things people have folded,
>and what size paper...maybe it'll be a good challenge for some of us.

30-unit Sonobe ball, 10mm squares
Tom Hull's FIT, 40mm x 13mm rectangles
Valerie Vann's MRC, 10mm squares

Without any tools 30-unit Sonobe ball from 19mm squares

--
Jorma "don't try this at home" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:26
Subject: Re: Origami Magazines - BOS (& beyound)

>    How much do each of these magazines cost?

That depends on your currency, their currency, and if you need to do currency
conversion. Your best bet is to contact the organization directly. Joseph's
site (http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/) should be able to get you their
contact and web site information directly.

-D'gou





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:30
Subject: Re: Verdi's Vase (was:Re: Transparent Papers)

Welcome Ron,

You hit the nail squarely on the head of the can of worms with:

>I don't know what your protocols are on "fair use", though I'm sure this
>has been endlessly chewed over in this space! If wanted, I can Xerox a
>copy of this and send it by paper mail (p-mail?) to the person seeking
same.

    This subject has been endlessly rehashed, probably because it is never
resolved to anyone's satisfaction. You raise a question in this case that I
think is worth pursuing, however. I believe Verdi's Vase was recently
republished but I don't recall where... so let's use a hypothetical example
instead.

    Someone asks the list if they know where to find diagrams for
Langtroll's Platypus. The model is in a book that has been out of print for
many years. I have a copy. If I offer to scan the diagrams and email them to
help out a fellow folder, what then?

    By OUSA's guidelines for "fair use",  I should get written permission
from both the model's creator and copyright holder before copying and
distributing a diagram. But I needn't do this if the copy is "for personal
use."  So if, in my opinion, helping out a fellow folder is a personal use
of diagrams, is it OK?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
