




From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 13:08
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

In a message dated 12/15/1999 9:37:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET writes:

> Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
>  origami.

Aloha Dorothy,

The Nordquist Flapping Bird, from Samuel Randlett's
The Art of Origami or maybe The Best of ..., when turned
upside down, looks like an Elephant (tho three-legged),
which sort of fits neatly into the old stories of the legendary
bird that fed on elephants, the Roc.

Also, the 5-fold extension of the Lazy Susan from the
same book(s?), which, in the book, is done with four slits,
really doesn't need the slits. It turns out that the Lazy
Susan "tiles the plane", like a tesselation, only 3-D.

Happy Holidays,
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 13:08
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

In a message dated 12/15/1999 9:37:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET writes:

> Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
>  origami.

Gee, I almost forgot. I have a simple seashell, with a flat spiral,
but a 3-D "mouth", that was the result of a doodle. Looks vaguely like
a Moon Snail, but not as round, more like a Nerite, now that I think
of it. Can't remember whether I ever got around to diagramming it.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 13:17
Subject: Re: Working Wheel of Fortune??

Dr. Joel M. Hoffman <joel@EXC.COM> sez

>1.  Can a nice circle be folded from a square?
>2.  Any ideas on how to make the wheel of fortune?

Paul Jackson created a superb circular fan by pleating a 2*1 rectangle.
It was published in his "Classic origami" under the name of "rosette",
probably elsewhere as well.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 13:18
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK> sez

>It would be interesting to know how Kasahara feels about the use of his
>models in this way. Any one know?

I spoke to him in Germany about this & although he couldn't really
explain properly due to lack of English (and my total lack of Japanese,
(aside from "pante nuido" ??), I suspect he is both honoured to be
published & sad not to have been asked first.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 13:43
Subject: Re: JAL Tree, and ornaments without hangers

On 13 Dec 99, at 16:01, Kennedy, Mark wrote:

>
> I have used loops of beading wire inserted into an electric drill chuck. I
> hold the loop around a bamboo skewer to hold it still and rev up the drill
> for a good even twist. For large scale hanging models, I will thread the
> beading wire loop through a fishing swivel. I will still anchor the beading
> wire with the skewer while I use the drill to twist. The fishing swivel
> allows a full 360 degree swivel without kinking the line when it does. I use
> this for hanging large models such a fish or birds. (Rick you can use this
> tip in the BOS if you want). Alice had said that the only origami models
> that should be hung are fish and birds since that imitated their natural
> state. I have over a hundred fish on display at the Please Touch
> (children's) Museum in Philadelphia.

Thank you for the lovely description of the JAL tree.

I've been making some of the ornaments from The Magic of
Origami by Alice Grey and Kunihiko Kasahara, and resolved the
hanging problem by not hanging them. They look lovely nestled in
the branches. My daughter has been making origami candy canes
from a boxed set called Quick and Easy Origami Christmas by
Toshie Takahama. The canes being the traditional candy cane
shape hook over the branches on the tree without any extra help.
The cane does require one spot of glue to hold together.

Our tree is topped by a monkey from Simple Traditional Origami by
Tomoko Fuse. Someone on this list mentioned having had a King
Kong climbing their tree one year, and I was very taken with this
idea. The monkey was the best I could do on short notice though.
The monkey has a hooked hand, and hangs from the top of the tree
with no extra help. Just below the monkey is the snake from
Montroll's Chinese zodiac. I'd just made it for my son and he
insisted it go on the tree (King Kong vs Manda). The snake sits
easily in the branches of the tree without a hook of any kind.

There are many other non origami ornaments on the tree. These
are hung in the traditional way. Most of them are gifts and have to
be on the tree every year, so I'll probably never have an all origami
tree.

The techniques for hanging ornaments have been interesting. For
the most part though a lot of ornaments will look just fine nestled on
a tree rather than hung, and some less traditional christmas pieces
(like the monkey) come with the hanger built in.

I can envision a truly lovely and unusual tree decorated with various
snakes, frogs, and insects in bright and iridescent colours. None of
the models would require hangers, and the effect could be quite
beautiful.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 14:03
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

On 14 Dec 99, at 18:17, JacAlArt . wrote:

> Nope. I was referring to Bringing Origami To Life. Again -- any opinions?
> What's in it?

It's definitely out. There were several copies on the shelf of my local
Chapters (sorry big box store but it works for me). I bought one. A
good variety of attractive animals. Simple black and white photos of
the finished models. I don't like the proportions of the horse with
rider, horse, and cat so probably wont do those. The bison, the
bear, the rabbit and the sparrow, really attract me. I likely wont
actually be making anything from the book till the summer though,
so can't give opinions on how pleasant, or not, the models are to
fold, or how well the diagrams are done. Although I'd be very
surprised if the diagrams were anything other than excellent based
on my experience with other Montroll books.

The Coyote looks interesting as well.

Does anyone know of a model for a bear where the bear is upright,
and the model captures the massiveness of the bear?

sph
Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 14:57
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

Sandra Hoffman inquired:

"Does anyone know of a model for a bear where the bear is upright, and
the model captures the massiveness of the bear?"

Hi Sandra!  What about Stephen Weiss' bear in Origami Zoo?  Edwin Corrie
also designed an upright bear.

Dorothy





From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 15:14
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

On 16 Dec 99, at 11:56, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Sandra Hoffman inquired:
>
> "Does anyone know of a model for a bear where the bear is upright, and
> the model captures the massiveness of the bear?"
>
> Hi Sandra!  What about Stephen Weiss' bear in Origami Zoo?  Edwin Corrie
> also designed an upright bear.
>

Does anyone know of pictures of these models on the web? I'll start
looking around for Origami Zoo. Is the Edwin Corrie bear published
anywhere?

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 15:18
Subject: Re: Sweets to your ears

At 09:31 99/12/16 -0500, Jerry Harris wrote:
>         I've always thought Ms. Ayture-Scheele to be _morally_ dishonest
>for putting others' models in her books uncredited, but is it actually
>_illegal_?  After all, she didn't use anyone else's _diagrams_ -- in the
>books of hers I've seen, all the diagrams are original (actually photos of
>the model being folded), not the same drawings in Kasahara's (and others')
>books.  And, as I recall, it's the _diagrams_ that get copyrighted, not the
>process by which a model is folded...?  A process, by definition, is more
>ethereal than a diagram, and processes can get _patented_, but not
>copyrighted, and AFAIK, no one's ever tried to patent a folding process.

Yes, that's quite right about the difference between moral and legal issues.
At least, that's the story we've been led to believe by those lawyers who
have been consulted so far. However, there are a number of patented folding
processes. Two that come to mind are the pop-up maps that seem to be popular
these days, and also Jeannine Moseley's patented modular.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 15:18
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

At 08:33 99/12/16 -0600, James Storrs wrote:
>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>
> >she says something to the effect of "if you keep at it, you
> > can become a creative folder like me" in one of her books.
>===============
>In fairness to this author (I know, some of you prefer the term
>plagiarist when referring to her), it would be preferable if you identified
>the book and page number and quoted her exact words in context.  Since you
>consider yourself a linguist, you should be particularly aware of the
>pitfalls of paraphrasing what someone has said (or written) and in doing so
>recasting the original meaning to reflect a personal bias.
>I am not defending or condemning this writer.  I am suggesting that
>criticisms of her be done in an honorable fashion.

Yes, that is true. However, since I don't have the book and will not buy it,
I can only rely on memory at this point. The next time I'm in a book store
that carries that book, I'll look it up, unless someone beats me to it and
posts the exact wording on this list.

I'm rather curious, though. Where did you ever get the idea that I consider
myself a linguist? Certainly I enjoy words and the proper use of language,
but I have had no formal linguistic training.

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From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:08
Subject: bears (was Re: new Montroll book)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Sandra P.Hoffman wrote:

> Does anyone know of pictures of these models on the web? I'll start
> looking around for Origami Zoo. Is the Edwin Corrie bear published
> anywhere?

While the bear in Origami Zoo does have the necessary bulk, he is on all
fours. I have never seen a photo on the web for this model.

If the Corrie bear is the same "Freisling Bear", again it is on all fours,
and has a cartoon-like quality (I love Corrie designs, but his style
generally fits this description). I have heard this bear is in a
Freisling Convention Book, but good luck getting hold of that one! BOS is
worth checking for booklets on Corrie, maybe someone else can give a
contents listing.

Yoshizawa has an upright bear in Beautiful Origami, a compound model, cute
but not very imposing. Again, not the easiest book in the world to find.
(Sheeesh! What help is this guy?! About as "helpful as tits on a bull", as
my mum might say ;-})

OK OK, trying to be helpful. I like the following bear by Daniela Carboni,
excellent expression of size and power, interesting folding sequence:

http://www.essenet.it/cdo/modelli/animali.html

regards
Michael





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:30
Subject: Zulal Ayture-Scheele (dirty thief, lousy books)

>Desdemona Taylor inquired:
> >       Are these works of origami truly copyrighted or are they in public
> > domain, therefore usable and printable by all?  How do you copyright an
> > origami module?  Be careful about accusing people of plagerism.

Hi all,

There have been a few comments about this on the origami mailing list
before. If anyone wants to look at the archives, they'll find a few. You may
wish to 'up' the number on the terms search, however, to several thousand,
and set the date back to 'donkeys years'.

I'm no expert on international copyright laws (I have seen a few episodes of
LA law, however). However, the general concensus about copyright regarding
models seems to be thus;

Your model design is considered a 'craft' (yuck) and thus the mode of
folding cant really be copyrighted.

When you draw/plot instructions for the models, these are considered an
original work, and are therefore under international copyright laws.

I can fold a model, say, Joseph Wu's shark, display it, etc, without any
need for Joseph's permission.

However, for me to put his diagrams on my site, or to sell them, or in any
way claim that they are my own, this would be in breach of copyright, and I
would be a very naughty boy.

If, however, I re-drew the diagrams, then this would be an original work on
my behalf, and I could claim these as my own!

It is not unheard of for authors to come up with very similar models. A nice
tale is unravelled in Engels 'Origami A-Z' regarding a pig model that caused
a bit of a storm between 'The Great Carlos Corda' and Akira Yoshizawa
himself. (for the curious, I think the diagrams for this pig are in Secrets
of Origami, Harbin, Dover pub, and I was curious at the time I first read
it!) On a closer note, I have only recently seen a set of diagrams for a
triceratops on alex barbers web page, (By J Harris?)and the method of
forming the head and horns was identical to one I came up with while on
holiday near Newcastle. Seeing as I hadnt diagrammed mine before, and hadnt
seen the ones on the web, it seems we both had the same idea!

What is a bit grim is when someone else pinches a model and claims it as
their own. If I clearly use someone elses model development (such as the cat
and rabbit on my web pages) then I usually state 'inspired by' next to the
model. Zuyal Ayture-Scheele shoudl really do this too. I could understand if
just a couple of models were considered suspect...but its more than
that...alegedly (he decides to add at this point)

Robert Lange and Picasso (albiet the latter first!) state 'Good artists
borrow, Great ones steal'. Cruddy ones plagerise whole-heartedly, however.

Sleep tight everyone, its past my bedtime,

Stephen
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:32
Subject: Re: bears (was Re: new Montroll book)

Hi Michael and Sandra,

Here's a pic of Stephen Weiss' Bear:

http://www.fredart.com/sarah/animals.html

Your characterization of Edwin Corrie's Bear as cartoonish sent me
rummaging through my newly organized, sheet protected diagram
collection.  I found Edwin Corrie's diagrams for his bear, very nice and
not at all cartoonish..  They're in French and also include, on the same
page, Anibal Voyer's diagrams for a palm tree (I think!).  There is no
book citation.  Perhaps these diagrams are from a French convention
book.

Dorothy





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:38
Subject: Pureland Origami

Hello all,

I'd like to volenteer a topic for an e-mail thread.

Pureland origami, for those not in the know, is a simple version of origami
where each step consists of a single valley or mountain fold. No
combinations, such as crimps, reverse folds, etc are used.

This restriction can lead to some very creative thought.

Ive got a pureland bear on my website, which has four legs, two ears, a
nose, etc. Mark Kirschenbaum has a Pureland T rex and a Stegosaurus,
complete with spines.

This brings me onto the challenge! What is the best pureland model that
people know out there? Anyone know of insects complete with legs? Any
styracosauruses? It would be even better if anyone has some photos or
diagrams.

I look forward to hearing from you all,

Stephen

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800

Site with several pureland models : www.origami.com
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From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:53
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami

>
> My problem is that the tab dividers don't show, as the plastic sheet
> protectors make the paper come out just that much more...  dammit!
> I'll probably end up glueing (that's not for origami models, don't
> lash me!) a bit of extra paperboard to the dividers and re-hole them.
>
> --
> Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

I use the stick on labels.
They come in colored or clear and you can attach them right to the plasitc
sheet protector.
They have a slot that you can insert a label in.

Papa (my two cents worth) Joe





From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:59
Subject: Re: bears (was Re: new Montroll book)

On 17 Dec 99, at 9:06, Michael Janssen-Gibson wrote:

>
> While the bear in Origami Zoo does have the necessary bulk, he is on all
> fours. I have never seen a photo on the web for this model.

Thanks.

>
> If the Corrie bear is the same "Freisling Bear", again it is on all fours,
> and has a cartoon-like quality (I love Corrie designs, but his style
> generally fits this description). I have heard this bear is in a
> Freisling Convention Book, but good luck getting hold of that one! BOS is
> worth checking for booklets on Corrie, maybe someone else can give a
> contents listing.

I will check there.

>
> Yoshizawa has an upright bear in Beautiful Origami, a compound model, cute
> but not very imposing. Again, not the easiest book in the world to find.
> (Sheeesh! What help is this guy?! About as "helpful as tits on a bull", as
> my mum might say ;-})

Well I appreciate knowing about it anyway. I was talking to my
husband about origami books yesterday, and how hard it is to find
some books by some authors. I mentioned that if I ever see any
Yoshizawa book at anything approaching a reasonable price it will
be bought instantly.

>
> OK OK, trying to be helpful. I like the following bear by Daniela Carboni,
> excellent expression of size and power, interesting folding sequence:
>
> http://www.essenet.it/cdo/modelli/animali.html

It's a beautiful bear, and the folding sequence looks very interesting.
It's still not standing though. I can't quite understand why there
seem to be so few standing bears. I'm not necessarily interested in
diagrams. I often look at undiagrammed (or even diagrammed)
models just because I enjoy looking at origami. So if there are
photos of undiagrammed standing bears that capture that
massiveness and power of a bear, I'd love to see a picture.

I'm much more interested in knowing it can be done, and has been
done than getting diagrams.

sph
Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 18:12
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

> On 16-Dec-99, Dorothy Engleman (FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET) wrote:
>
> >Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
> >origami.
>

My Dollar bill Viking Helmet was discovered by folding a crane base with a
dollar.

Just take a crane from square paper and rip it's wings off and you will get
a rough Viking Helmet.

Papa (where the heck did all these animal rights people come from) Joe





From: Steve Vinik <z007169b@BC.SEFLIN.ORG>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 18:14
Subject: Origami Greeting Cards

For Christmas, I combined high tech with low tech. I used a digital
camera and color inkjet printer to put images on high resolution inkjet
paper and then folded it into a very simple sailboat. It looks like my
family is standing up in the boat with the mast behind them with me at
the tiller. We were using a theme based on the Christmas song, "I Saw
Three Ships." It came out very nicely. Just got them in the mail today.

Steve Vinik
z007169b@bc.seflin.org





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 18:49
Subject: Re: modular polyhedra

So...I started the modular polyhedra wreath...and all I can say is

it's too hard....LOL...I have 4 joined now...and with each one I have all
but torn my hair out...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 19:04
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

"Doodling with the traditional paper cup: rabbit ear the locking flap
straight up to create nose, then use the other flap for the lower yaw,
add two curvy folds to create eyes..."

Dont understand exactly what you mean by your paper cup directions.  Is this
supposed to be a mask.  Made the rabbit ear for the nose but don't understand
what to do to the other flap.  Can you verbalize a little more on this
model....sounds interesting since I like variations on bases....Thanks.
Dorigami





From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 19:42
Subject: Re: bears (was Re: new Montroll book)

On 16 Dec 99, at 14:31, Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Hi Michael and Sandra,
>
> Here's a pic of Stephen Weiss' Bear:
>
> http://www.fredart.com/sarah/animals.html

Very nice bear. The probelm with many bears on all four legs is that
it is hard to make it look distinctively different from a pig. That one
captures the massive hindquarters of the bear very nicely.

I will have to make a real effort to get the book.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 19:46
Subject: Re: plastic flapping bird

At the printing section of Staples, I bought a  few sheets of the plastic
used for overhead projectors.  With this I made a 8 and 1/2 x 8 and 1/2
flapping bird.  Well it is just great since it makes a real clatter when you
flap it.  I did a program on Monday nite for 120 people ( 60  scouts and
their parents).  I had to use a microphone and at first showed them how the
plastic bird flapped and then was inspired to flapp it in front of the
microphone.  It made so much noise that everyone was tickled pink  and
clapped with delight.  What a great new addition to my programs which always
open with a flapping bird and close with exploding the butterfly balloon as
my magic show..  With a good beginning and a good ending I can get by with
almost anything in the middle. I have just started a new 5 one day a week
all day  workshops at the Atlantic City new state of the arts High School art
department.  I will be teaching the students to make fish......big fish,
(from door size foil) boats, gulls, and sea weed, to be hung from a 3 story
high tower in the foyer of the school by wires.  Since it is an hour and a
half away and I have to be there by 8 oclock I go the day before, stay over
at a motel and get an early start.   This is such an exciting project and
really stirs up my creativity.  Just thought I would share these experiences
with you...... Hope you enjoy them.....Dorigami





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 19:50
Subject: Re: Origami Greeting Cards

P.S.  how about sending me one of your cards, they sound great.......Dorothy
Kaplan, 5 Brookwood Dr., Freehold, N. J. 07728





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 20:03
Subject: Re: Origami Greeting Cards

Oops, the request for a greeting card was for Steve Vinik.  Was not meant to
go to the whole origami list...Sorry.





From: Rosalinda Sanchez <RRosalinda@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 20:23
Subject: Re: modular polyhedra

Try the instructions that the authors posted to amazon.com at:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0486404765/qid=945393482/sr=1-1/002-968
0253-9321865

Using this method assembly is fast and easy.  I've made two already.  You can
see them at:   http://members.aol.com/rrosalinda/rings.html

Hope this helps you some.

Rosa

In a message dated 12/16/99 3:49:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
btstern@BUFFNET.NET writes:

<< So...I started the modular polyhedra wreath...and all I can say is

 it's too hard....LOL...I have 4 joined now...and with each one I have all
 but torn my hair out...

 Beth
 Have a Bob Day >>





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 21:00
Subject: Mongoose/Ferret fold

   Hi all,just wondering:

   Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for either a mongoose or a
     ferret (preferrably a ferret, even though there probably isn't much
     difference between the two as far as a folding pattern is concerned...). I
     seem to recall a thread about this n
 t all that long ago, but that could just be in my fevered imagination.
   I've been experimenting with a variation of Montroll's dog base, but haven't
     come up with anything satisfactory. This is probably due to a lack of
     ingenuity on my part...;)
   So far, I haven't found anything on any links I have, but I imagine there's
     gotta be something out there somewhere...

   Thanks in advance!

                                             Michael
                                            Lurker Extroardinaire...





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 22:28
Subject: Double-blintzed frog base? Is that a word?

I'm trying to figure out a crease pattern in Kasahara's 'Origami Omnibus'...
On page 26 he shows a crab by Kosho Uchiyama and then gives a crease pattern
for it.  I managed to get the same creases out of a double-blintzed frog
base, but I can't seem to get enough points out of it to duplicate the crab

Has anybody else tried to do this?  It seems like it should work; I can
unfold the first blintz to get an eight-legged frog base, but I can't quite
figure out how to get the next blintz unfolded out.

I'm kinda enjoying this exercise so I don't know if I'd even want to look at
any diagrams (if they exist),  but I'd like to know if I'm on the right track.

Phil

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
Animal stories  &  Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 23:07
Subject: Re: Pureland Origami

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon wrote:

> I'd like to volenteer a topic for an e-mail thread.
>
> Pureland origami, for those not in the know, is a simple version of origami
> where each step consists of a single valley or mountain fold. No
> combinations, such as crimps, reverse folds, etc are used.
I have a pure land limo from a dollar bill one my web site.

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 02:35
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>      Are these works of origami truly copyrighted or are they in public
>domain, therefore usable and printable by all?  How do you copyright an
>origami module?  Be careful about accusing people of plagerism.

This question has been asked a hundred times before. The answers are in the
archives, and David Lister has even written a long article about it. The
article can be found at the BOS homepage http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos , and
the archives of this mailing list can be searched at the Origami Interest
Group homepage: http://www.rug.nl/cgi-bin/oigquery.sh .
Happy reading :-).

Matthias





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 02:56
Subject: Re: Double-blintzed frog base? Is that a word?

>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>    Subject: Double-blintzed frog base? Is that a word?

Double-blintzed frog base is actually three words, one compound. Have you
tried putting in *all* the creases, then collapsing the detailed bits into
shape first, and working backward toward the base? When I've worked in
metal, that's how I had to maneuver it, and you end up seeing the fold
entirely differently. I think this relates to the pureland origami thread as
well. Does that included unfolding after each fold is put in and then
collapsing the model as a whole, or does it involve a specific folding
sequence? For some complex models, if you can account for thickness, you can
drastically increase precision of fine details by putting in the creases in
the early parts of the fold.

All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 03:02
Subject: Re: Two fold "Ski Resort"

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>For fans of minimalist origami, here is a two fold "Ski Resort".

Wonderful model, and so simple. I'm working on a "Mountain Fold" collection
(not online yet) for my homepage, can I put your mountain in there?

Matthias 'Alpenfalten' Gutfeldt
http://beam.to/origami





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 03:49
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

On 17-Dec-99, DORIGAMI@AOL.COM (DORIGAMI@AOL.COM) wrote:
>"Doodling with the traditional paper cup: rabbit ear the locking flap
>straight up to create nose, then use the other flap for the lower yaw,
>add two curvy folds to create eyes..."

>Dont understand exactly what you mean by your paper cup directions.  Is
this
>supposed to be a mask.

Yes.

>Made the rabbit ear for the nose but don't understand what to do to
>the other flap.

Don't fold it to the backside at all, and rabbit ear to the front to
create (oops - the front flap is a part of beak, not nose) a beak.
You can use the two big flaps locked behind the beak to create eyes
if you want.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Dec 1999 06:32
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

I have been reluctant to get drawn into yet another argument about Copyright
and Origami. In the past I have drawn considerable condemnation on my head
even for breathing a mention of the subject. Anyone interested in some of my
comments can refer to the BOS Web Site, as Matthias suggests.

I will confine myself to pointing our that this is an extremely complicated
subject, which even specialist lawyers find difficult. However, there are
some very strange, ill-informed and half-baked notions of the law of
copyright being bandied about by some lay people, which do not help the
rational consideration of the topic in any way.

It has NOT been legally estblished that origami is a mere craft for copyright
purposes and in any case, it is unlikely that legally, this would mean much
at all., It seems at first sight to be that someone has made a comparison
with the problem of copyright in respect of knitting patterns, another area
which has, like Origami, run into considerable difficulties, which hve been
largely fudged over. As far as I can see, this is partly because the
draftsmen of the international copyright conventions and dometic laws of
individual countries just didn't have in mind either knitting patterns or
origami when the legislation was drafted and nobody has felt enthusiastic
enough to spend the fortune that would be required to be spent to get a
ruling from the courts.

An abstract idea cannot, indeed, have the protection of copyright law,
although sometimes it may be possible to patent it. The legal advisers of
OrigamiUSA have emphsised this view, which origami-USA has adopted. Paper
folds have been patented both in the United States (I have an official coy of
one of them) and in Japan. Michio Uchiyama (father of Kosho) is said to have
held several Japanese patents for his creations.

But for various reasons which are too complex to explain, I am not convinced
that there is a rigid boundary between and abstract origami idea and the
design of the model contained in a diagram or in the completed model, both of
which do have copyright protection. Much the same problem was found in music.
In respect of music, however, a separate performing rights legislation was
drawn up and, later, phonographic rights legisltion to plug the holes and
remove the uncertainty. At present rights in software and in the Internet
present problems which are crying out for legislation. But in the fields of
music, software and the Internet, there are many people and public companies
prepared to spend fortunes to appeal to the courts for clarification of the
law or to lobby legislatures for more legislation. This simply does not apply
to Origami. Nevertheless, the application of copyright to Origami is a
fascinating intellectual exercise.

I have not carried out a detailed analysis of Isao Honda's models. He was,
before all else a collector of traditional and other models and I have never
detected much creativity on his part. He did not so much directly copy
Yoshizawa's models as adapt them with slight modifications. Where the
boundary lies between changing a model and modifying it, I will leave others
to decide. But I agree that not only law, but also ethics comes into how we
deal with the problem.

Yes, I too, met Zulal Ayture-Scheele and found her to be a very likeable and
charming lady. I have several of her books. This would not exonerate her from
copying, but perhaps her concept of what is and is not acceptable in
reproducing models derives from an earlier age (indeed, that of Honda) before
modern creative origami had developed. She clearly had no villainous
intentions.

I may say that I have been horrified by some of the language which has been
used in the Origami List about Zulal Ayture-Scheele. From a legal point of
view, I consider it to have been very ill-advised.

There! One more diatribe about copyright and origami, much longer than I
intended to write, but in no way adequate to cover the subject.

David Lister

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 06:34
Subject: Paper-clay or porcelan-paper

Hello to everybody,

Thanks to the list I have now paper-clay
from Germany.
Next week I try to use it.
Is there someone on the list working with it ?
Are there photo's to see on the net ? And where ?
A have found a friend who knows much about porcelan,
and glazing, I know about paperfolding so we can combine what
we know.
All the best to you.

xxxxxelsje
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 08:44
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

All I have to say on this topic is that something may be within the bounds
of the law and still be morally wrong!
--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 10:08
Subject: Dunkin' Doodling

    This morning while sitting in the drive-through at my local donut
purveyor, looking forward to my morning application of Java, I made a
startling, if somewhat trivial, discovery. I should preface this by saying
that I had already had one large coffee less than half an hour before, and
that I startle easily.

    Anyhoo, knowing that the total for my purchase was $1.25, I was doodling
with the dollar, and found a simple and esthetically pleasing way to fold
the dollar and enclose the quarter.

    Bring two diagonally opposite corners of the bill together, and crease.
The remaining single layers of the dollar form almost perfect isosceles
right triangles (more on this later). Valley fold one of these single layers
along the hypotenuse, and put it behind one layer. Turn it over, and do the
same with the other single flap, but put your change in the pocket before
tucking the second flap in.

    The two flaps interlock inside the bill, keeping the change securely
inside. The finished model is an acute isosceles triangle, handy for passing
through the drive-up window without dropping coins on the ground. All with
three valley folds!

    What surprised me about this is, first, that I hadn't seen it before (by
the way, I claim full copyright on the written instructions above--- if you
fold any money this way, send it to me. Larger denominations work best), and
second, those isosceles right triangles. I know of no $ models that take
advantage of this particular geometry of the dollar bill... has anyone else
pursued this?

    Having now ingested that second cup of high-test, I'm up to my target
heart rate and ready to get working.

Scott 'better living thru caffeine' scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 10:17
Subject: Re: Mongoose/ Ferret fold

Michael Antonette asked:

  > Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for either a mongoose or a
ferret

    John Montroll's _Favorite_Animals_in_Origami_  (Dover 1996 ISBN
0-486-29136-7) has a very nice Mink model... close enough to a ferret to
fool most people.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 11:09
Subject: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

Nick Robinson wrote:

>I spoke to him (Kasahara) in Germany about this ..... I suspect he is both
honoured to be
>published & sad not to have been asked first.

Thanks for this, Nick.

I guessed this might be the case - but it's good to have it confirmed.

I wonder if there's a difference between copyright infringement - which I
now take as 'proven' here - and plagiarism - passing off someone else's work
as your own? - which to me is still in doubt.

Further evidence awaited ....

Dave Mitchell





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 11:41
Subject: Re: Paper-clay or porcelan-paper

Elsje,
The only paper clay I am familiar with is more like finely ground paper
mache or pulp than sheets of paper. If that is what you are working with, I
recommend you look up paper mache or even polymer clay, or look in books on
doll-sculpting. It is often used by doll sculptors to make finely modeled
hands and faces. It is wonderful stuff but takes some getting used to.

Hope this helps

Gillian

>From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Paper-clay or porcelan-paper
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:39:15 +0100
>
>Hello to everybody,
>
>Thanks to the list I have now paper-clay
>from Germany.
>Next week I try to use it.
>Is there someone on the list working with it ?
>Are there photo's to see on the net ? And where ?
>A have found a friend who knows much about porcelan,
>and glazing, I know about paperfolding so we can combine what
>we know.
>All the best to you.
>
>xxxxxelsje
>http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 11:52
Subject: Re: Double-blintzed frog base? Is that a word?

   You're on the right track. My verbal directions suck, so I won't even
try -- I'd only muddy the issue and confuse us both!;)
   It took me awhile to figure it out myself, and I never got around to
diagramming it. getting out the next  blintz is kinda challenging. Good luck
to ya!

                                             Michael
                                 (What a big help, eh?)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil and Amy" <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 16, 1999 7:28 PM
Subject: Double-blintzed frog base? Is that a word?

> I'm trying to figure out a crease pattern in Kasahara's 'Origami
Omnibus'...
> On page 26 he shows a crab by Kosho Uchiyama and then gives a crease
pattern
> for it.  I managed to get the same creases out of a double-blintzed frog
> base, but I can't seem to get enough points out of it to duplicate the
crab
>
> Has anybody else tried to do this?  It seems like it should work; I can
> unfold the first blintz to get an eight-legged frog base, but I can't
quite
> figure out how to get the next blintz unfolded out.
>
> I'm kinda enjoying this exercise so I don't know if I'd even want to look
at
> any diagrams (if they exist),  but I'd like to know if I'm on the right
track.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
> Animal stories  &  Origami Star Wars at:
> http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 17 Dec 1999 11:56
Subject: Re: Dunkin' Doodling

In a message dated 12/17/1999 10:08:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
scram@LANDMARKNET.NET writes:

> second, those isosceles right triangles. I know of no $ models that take
>  advantage of this particular geometry of the dollar bill... has anyone else
>  pursued this?

Aloha,

Isosceles, but if you found what I think, not right triangle,
and yes, there is at least one model, maybe more, that
uses that geometry, tho I can't remember what it is off-hand.

The nice LARGE Rhombus and its convenient relation to the
right angle, even if it's only a good approximation, are, I think,
potentially important.

I have a vague memory of using that rhombus to fold a birdbase
analogue, to get a bird with long wings, sort of like a seagull.

But I learned about the rhombus and triangle from somewhere
else, and was very surprised at the close fit.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 12:35
Subject: DNA

Today was the last day of term at my school and as i was teaching genetics I
decided to try a class fold of ThoKi Yenns DNA molecule as a bit of fun.
Generally most of the Kids produced a workable model! As I don't have his
email address I would just like to take this time to thank him!

On the subject of doodles I found a pyramid made from a frog bas. I am sure
it has been done before but I like it!
Leigh
http://hometown.aol.com/origami451





From: "Doris.L" <Doris.L@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 12:44
Subject: Peter and the wolf

Try following address to get a video tape:
                  Westdeutscher Rundfunk (WDR)
                 50600 Koeln

                 Fon: ++49/221/220 - 0
                  Fax: ++49/221/220 - 4800

As far as I know, they make copy and you have to pay for it.
Doris





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 12:57
Subject: Re: Dunkin' Doodling

Kenneth posted:

>Isosceles, but if you found what I think, not right triangle,

    It's not quite isosceles, it misses by less than 2mm, but the apex is
the original corner of the bill, so it's a right angle for certain.

>The nice LARGE Rhombus and its convenient relation to the
>right angle, even if it's only a good approximation, are, I think,
>potentially important.

    This was what I thought, as well. I'm still doodling, further postings
as events warrant.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 13:28
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 08:33:51AM -0600, James Storrs wrote:
> In fairness to this author (I know, some of you prefer the term
> plagiarist when referring to her), it would be preferable if you
> identified the book and page number and quoted her exact words in
> context.

I have the German editions of two of her books. They were originally
published in German; the English editions are translations -- so what
follows are her exact words, unmuddled through any translation:

"Wer die Dinge seiner Umgebung genau beobachtet, wird mit ein bi_chen
\bung bald viele Figuren selbst erfinden kvnnen."

Z|lal Ayt|re-Scheele: "Neue zauberhafte Origami-Ideen: Papierfalten f|r
gro_ und klein". Niedernhausen: Falken, 1986/1991. ISBN
3-8068-0805-8. From the foreword, page 5.

My translation:

"Those who observe the things in their environment with diligence will
-- with a little practice -- soon be able to invent many new models
themselves."

Feel free to solicit a different translation if you do not trust mine.

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.                        ***





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 13:39
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

At 18:30 99/12/17 +0100, Sebastian wrote:
>I have the German editions of two of her books. They were originally
>published in German; the English editions are translations -- so what
>follows are her exact words, unmuddled through any translation:
>
>"Wer die Dinge seiner Umgebung genau beobachtet, wird mit ein bi_chen
>\bung bald viele Figuren selbst erfinden kvnnen."
>
>Z|lal Ayt|re-Scheele: "Neue zauberhafte Origami-Ideen: Papierfalten f|r
>gro_ und klein". Niedernhausen: Falken, 1986/1991. ISBN
>3-8068-0805-8. From the foreword, page 5.
>
>My translation:
>
>"Those who observe the things in their environment with diligence will
>-- with a little practice -- soon be able to invent many new models
>themselves."
>
>Feel free to solicit a different translation if you do not trust mine.

Thank you, Sebastian, for settling this one. So it does not appear that Ms.
Ayture-Scheele tried to pass off Kasahara & Honda's works as her own with
that statement.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 14:21
Subject: Re: Mongoose/ Ferret fold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Cramer" <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 17, 1999 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Mongoose/ Ferret fold

> Michael Antonette asked:
>
>   > Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for either a mongoose or
a
> ferret
>
>     John Montroll's _Favorite_Animals_in_Origami_  (Dover 1996 ISBN
> 0-486-29136-7) has a very nice Mink model... close enough to a ferret to
> fool most people.
>
> Scott scram@landmarknet.ne

  Thanks. I'll have to look for that this weekend, or else see if I can
order it.

                                          Michael





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 14:25
Subject: Re: Mongoose/ Ferret fold

At 12:18 99/12/17 -0800, you wrote:
> > Michael Antonette asked:
> > Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for either a mongoose or a
> > ferret

Also, check out Lionel Albertino's "Safari Origami". He's got a model of a
suricate, which is related to the mongoose. It's perched up on its hind
legs like mongooses (mongeese?) often are.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 14:27
Subject: Sv:      DNA

Dear Leigh Halford

Thank you for selecting my DNA-4 Molecule
as a bit of fun for your pupils, and I am happy to hear
that most of them produced a workable model.

I am surpriced how you can have missed my email Adr.
here I have been screaming it often and load all over the Origami list
and my sidekick the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North
has also been blowing his trombone loudly
telling about my Website, which he is in charge of.

Give my thanks to your pupils and give them my e-mail adr.
and the URL of my site.

Kind Regards from Thoki Yenn
and the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.

email: thok@thok.dk
URL: http://www.thok.dk/origami.html





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 14:32
Subject: Re: Mongoose/ Ferret fold

There is also one available on the 'net, if you're willing to go to the more
generic "weasel."

I'll inform new folks, and remind others that there is a pretty darn good
search engine for models on the 'Net on Joseph Wu's page:

http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/

You can either look in a category (say, "mammals" or search for a specific
word

That's how I re-found the weasel.  It can be seen at:

http://www.the-village.com/origami/pdf/weasel.pdf

Kevin Kinney





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 15:00
Subject: Re: Paper-clay or porcelan-paper

Hi folders,

here is the address for porcelain paper once more:

Keramikbedarf:

Jrgen Klck (ue)
Hafenweg 26
48155 Mnster (ue)
Tel. +49-251/65889

Germany

Greetings from Mnster.
Evi





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 18:03
Subject: Oribana CD update

To those who are still waiting for the CD Oribana by Yurii and Katrin Shumakovs
of Oriland:) - I received the following from them yeasterday;

Two days back we have received the message from university that our
scientific work should be submitted on consideration by December 23. It was
slightly unexpectedly for us and leaves to us a little time for preparation.
Also, by returning from America we have looked by new eyes on the Oribana CD and
we have decided slightly to alter design. Therefore end of the Oribana CD will
be deferred on some time. We bring apologies to you and those people, which wait
this disk, for a delay.

Yours, Yurii and Katrin.

Much of the work on the CD has been completed, and those who ordered, will
receive their CD's as soon as they are ready. If you don't want to wait, "100
Oriland Origami Originals" contains seven flower arrangements complete with
containers, flowers and leaves. The URL for a demo version of the CD is:

http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/cd_demos/100/100.htm

Please e-mail me privately if you have any questions.

Happy Holidays!

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 18:28
Subject: Ferret/mongoose/weasel et al...

   Thanks to all who have responded to my query about the ferret et al
     diagrams. Now to get a couple of new books and take a look at the online
     diagrams.
   You'd think I'd have been able to formulate a folding sequence myself by
     now.... but alas, it just seems to have eluded me thus far.
   I'm sure I'll find something useful now. And my building manager will be
     pleased when she gets a couple of paper ferrets... (wonder if it's worth
     asking for a discount on January's rent? Naaaahhhh....)
   Gee, Joseph, now I'm confused too. Mongooses?Mongeese? Actually, I think
     it's the latter...

                                             Michael

Happy Holidays, one and all, no matter what names you use for them!!!





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 18:41
Subject: Origami sighting

This is actually one from my mom. She watches (Horrors) a soap opera
every day. I believe she said it is Another World. ANYWAY...

One of the doctors on the show, who is a surgeon, was folding origami
models for a Christmas tree. The girl with him mentioned she didn't know
he could do origami. Oh yes, he replied, when he was in med school
studying to be a surgeon one of his mentors told him origami was a
wonderful way to learn new skills with your hands. He then hung a (she
said it looked to her like) a dinosaur model on the tree.

Wow.

Mom could not remember any character names, I'm afraid, she did say the
surgeon is African American so if anyone else watches the show maybe you
can fill in the details. She also said that she was doubtful that the
actor was really folding since they never showed his hands while he was
doing this. So, anyone in the New York area want to admit to folding a
possible dinosaur for Another World?

Dee





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 18:43
Subject: Re: Modular Polyhedra

I did get another cube hooked in today...it went much easier than the first
ones

I thank you for linking me to the author's directions for assembling the
units...I will try it after I eat and get my strength back from doing the
first 6...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 20:11
Subject: Re: Pureland Origami

At 02:37 PM 12/16/99 -0800, Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>This brings me onto the challenge! What is the best pureland model that
>people know out there? Anyone know of insects complete with legs? Any
>styracosauruses? It would be even better if anyone has some photos or
>diagrams.

Aaron Einbond designed a pureland ladybug which was diagrammed for the 1998
Annual Collection if I remember correctly. As for myself, I have desinged a
lot of Pureland models as I find the creative process a blast to go
through. It is sort of like the difference between one line drawings
(another favorite of mine) and traditional multi-line drawings. Picking a
favorite pureland model of mine is tough, but I do like my recent "Mr.
Friendly" that was just published in the 1999 Annual collection (which, at
about 60 steps could have the most steps for a simple model).

Marc





From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 20:24
Subject: Re: bears

>Does anyone know of a model for a bear where the bear is upright,
>and the model captures the massiveness of the bear?
>
>Sandra P. Hoffman

There is an upright bear in one of P. D. Tuyen's books (I think _Classic
Origami_) with a very broad appearing upper body.  It is well-balanced and
stands perfectly.

I am a connoisseur of bears, and this one is my favorite...

Rob





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 17 Dec 1999 22:03
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami

At 08:57 AM 99-12-16 +0200, you wrote:
>On 16-Dec-99, Dorothy Engleman (FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET) wrote:
>
>>And the winner is...sheet protectors for diagrams, stored in a three
>>ring loose-leaf notebook, with tab dividers to organize the diagrams
>>into subjects.
>
>My problem is that the tab dividers don't show, as the plastic sheet
>protectors make the paper come out just that much more...  dammit!
>I'll probably end up glueing (that's not for origami models, don't
>lash me!) a bit of extra paperboard to the dividers and re-hole them.
>
>--
>Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi
>
>Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds
>
>

they now make binders and tab dividers to fit the plastic sheets.  I have
seen them in stationary stores.

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 18 Dec 1999 00:25
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 10:32:16AM -0800, Joseph Wu wrote:
> >"Those who observe the things in their environment with diligence will
> >-- with a little practice -- soon be able to invent many new models
> >themselves."
> Thank you, Sebastian, for settling this one. So it does not appear that Ms.
> Ayture-Scheele tried to pass off Kasahara & Honda's works as her own with
> that statement.

Well, but there *is* a very strong implication that she herself is a
creative folder and has invented many new models.

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Dec 1999 07:39
Subject: Re: Two fold "Ski Resort"

Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez

>Wonderful model, and so simple. I'm working on a "Mountain Fold" collection
>(not online yet) for my homepage, can I put your mountain in there?

There's a couple at my homepage, possibly amongst the first in this
genre...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 18 Dec 1999 08:32
Subject: Re: Two fold "Ski Resort"

> Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

> >Wonderful model, and so simple. I'm working on a "Mountain Fold"
collection
> >(not online yet) for my homepage, can I put your mountain in there?

To which Nick Robinson replied:

> There's a couple at my homepage, possibly amongst the first in this
> genre...

They are quite possibly amongst the first, Nick lad, but perhaps the
*true* first was revealed by the near-legendary Otto Nordstrom form
northern Finland.  His diagrams of the traditional Finnish model
'Mount Paeldaivi' appears in his article in BOS magazine No 78 of
October 1979.  He describes the fold as being 'folded only by
shepherds and swines who live near the Mount'.  In the same
interesting article he provides instructions for two other traditional
Fibbish folds: Lake Porttipahdan-tekojarvi and the River Paatsjoki
valley.

Mr Nordstrom wrote maybe half a dozen important articles in BOS
magazines in the late '70's and early '80's, revealing much about the
wealth of traditional paperfolding in northern Finland and his
founding of an origami society there. I've always been surprised that
David Lister never mentions this outpost of European paper folding in
his meticulous writings.

I wonder what became of Mr Nordstrom...? :-)

Paul Jackson
