




From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 13 Dec 1999 18:06
Subject: no:IRCban

    All users of aol have been banned from using DALnet.  I received the
following error when attempting to connect:

Autokilled for You are not welcome on this network. Email kline@dal.net for
more information. The reason you are banned is: Due to AOL's unwillingness or
inability to deal with abuse issues, you are no longer welcome on DALnet.
Please see http://www.dalusers.com/kli (1999/12/13 13.58)

Does anyone know a way around it?  I have tried to get in touch with aol.
They claim that they can't do anything about it.  I got in touch with DALnet
and they blamed it on aol.





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 13 Dec 1999 18:31
Subject: Re: no:IRCban

On 13 Dec 99, at 18:04, BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM wrote:

>     All users of aol have been banned from using DALnet.  I received the
> following error when attempting to connect:
>
> Autokilled for You are not welcome on this network....
> ...  Due to AOL's unwillingness or
> inability to deal with abuse issues, you are no longer welcome on DALnet.

> Does anyone know a way around it?  I have tried to get in touch with aol.
> They claim that they can't do anything about it.  I got in touch with DALnet
> and they blamed it on aol.

Welcome to the wild west, where there's no law and everyone is his own
vigilante and everyone with a gun is an LEO...  I"m afraid that the
simple answer is that there's not much you can do about it other than the
obvious [which is to get a different ISP].

Your source-IP address will undeniably tag anything you do as coming from
AOL and so you're a bit stuck.  It might be possible to locate a
'repeater' that'll give you a relaying-IP address, but that'll take a
fair degree of technical hackery that I suspect is going to be too hard
to sort out...  I wonder if there's some web-place that provides soem
kind of java interface to IRC... if so,that'd do it for you [because
you'd arrive at the IRC with the IP of the website, rather than your
own].

BTW: you're not alone here.  This sort of thing happens *ALL* the time,
and in general with _no_ recourse for the individuals affected [other
than to complain to their ISP or perhaps some other].  One of my former
ISPs started rejecting email from AOL under some circumstances --- I
complained, they said 'tough' and I hit the road.  I've gotten word that
hotmail has blocked some mailing lists [the traffic from the mailing
list, even though it was 100% legitimate and no hotmail person had
complained, tripped one of their spam filters and so was discarded..
again, no recourse for the hotmail folk who cannot subscribe to those
affected lists...
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Jonathan Baxter <jbax@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 13 Dec 1999 18:58
Subject: Southeast Origami Festival

Media Release

December 10, 1999

For Immediate Release

Contact: Jonathan Baxter

(704) 375-3692

We would appreciate your placing the following announcement in your origami
     publication or website

Origami Festival To Be Held In Charlotte, North Carolina

.

The Southeast Origami Festival will be held in Charlotte, NC from September
     23-24 2000. Local, regional, national and international paperfolders will
     be featured in this week-long city-wide festival. A feast of spectacular
     activities will be available for
 families, artists, educators and practitioners of this widely popular
     recreational and useful art form. Recognized by the city as a millennium
     arts event, the festival will offer:

    a.. Walking tours to view grand scale and fine art exhibits in the Center
     City area

    b.. The Paper Playground - a place for registered attendees, where you can
     fold to your hearts content and where all the paper is provided free.

    c.. Specialty workshops

    d.. Craftshow & Shopping Emporium

    e.. Friday night gala event

    f.. Hands-on and competitive activities

    g.. Artists in schools program

    h.. Paperfolding in performance  cabaret style entertainment

The Directors and friends of Southeast Origami invite organizations and
     individuals to submit ideas/proposals for their participation. We
     encourage one and all to mark their calendars and come help paper the town
     next September. Contact Southeast Origami,
 PO Box 2573, Charlotte, NC 28247 or call (704) 375-3692 Fax 704 544 9272





From: Tony O'Hare <tohare@CABLEINET.CO.UK>
Date: 13 Dec 1999 19:27
Subject: Peace Cranes Network Homepage Address

Subscribers who are members of the British Origami Society may have
noticed the deliberate mistake in the latest issue no. 199, December
1999. Included is an article concerning 1,000 Cranes folded at the West
Wiltshire Show in July/August this year and sent over to Hiroshima for
World Peace Day on August 6th.
The web-site address for the Peace Cranes network which contains more
information on Cranes, origami and Hiroshima is printed incorrectly and
should read:

http://rosella.apana.org.au/~mlb/cranes/index.htm

Please have a browse round this site if you're unfamiliar with the story
behind origami cranes, or even if you are - there's lots of good
information there plus photos, links to other sites and fascinating
facts about real cranes!

Have a merry (and peaceful) Christmas

Tony O'Hare
Public Relations Officer
British Origami Society
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Ross Cooper <Zxenor@AOL.COM>
Date: 13 Dec 1999 21:56
Subject: Kawasaki Rose

Wow...now that i've been on this mailing list a day...i've seen how many
people it is actually made up of.  And from the e-mails i've received, you
guys really take your origami seriously!  Well, as an introduction i'll go
ahead and say this:

I am Ross Cooper of Houston, TX.  I'm 15 and love origami...just as a hobby
though.
I have read some books, but i've found that it's easiest to learn folds from
friends.  I can do some advanced folds and i know all the basic names
(valley, mountain, etc.).

Should i get some origami books? Are they really worth the money?  I've been
wondering this for a while.  If so, what are some of the best and most known
books and authors?

I received many e-mails from lots of people giving help for Pikachu and the
Kawasaki Rose (which i still can't get!!!).  Sorry about all the questions,
i'll probably have some more soon...it's just, i never even HEARD of an
origami group...thanks for your patience.

Kawasaki Rose:  the diagram i have i'm not too sure where it came from...but
it is version 2.01 and was diagrammed by Winson Chan.  The steps that confuse
me are steps 20 - on...they don't make too much sense.  If anyone could
rephrase what it says i would be very thankful.

Thanks,





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:31
Subject: Re: Feb 2000 Issue of The Paper

Dear list serve members,

I apologize for accidentally sending a private e-mail over the list.
You may now commence whacking me over the head with a newspaper.
Bad Perry! Bad!

Perry

--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:57
Subject: Re: Feb 2000 Issue of The Paper

1000 lashes with wet Moravian Star strips

> -----Original Message-----
> From: P Bailey [mailto:pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 9:23 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Feb 2000 Issue of The Paper
>
>
> Dear list serve members,
>
> I apologize for accidentally sending a private e-mail over the list.
> You may now commence whacking me over the head with a newspaper.
> Bad Perry! Bad!
>
> Perry
>
> --
> "Hope is a little thing
> with feathers
> perched in the soul all day,
> it does it's little business
> and then it flies away!"
>
> Victor Buono from "It could be verse"
>
> http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
> Icq 23622644





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 08:29
Subject: For Beginners [WAS Re: Kawasaki Rose]

>>From: Ross Cooper <Zxenor@AOL.COM>
>>Subject:      Kawasaki Rose
>>
>>Should i get some origami books? Are they really worth the money?  I've been
Like all publishing genders, there's a lot of gold and a lot of chaff
among origami books. Some experience can really help.
Please do support the work of origami authors buying their (good) books.

Please avoid books by Zulal Ayture-Scheele, she's a known plagiarizer
(unfortunately, her books have a lot of color photos and usually sell
well).

>>wondering this for a while.  If so, what are some of the best and most known
>>books and authors?
Your question is commonly asked and has no easy answer. Again, like most
refined arts, origami has many aspects and many trends. You don't expect
ultimate answers to questions like "who's the best impressionist painter"
or "which is the best ballad of the 70s", do you?
Some factors you may consider are a) range and number of models b) easily
understood diagrams c) an interesting introduction to the subject d) facts
on origami e) origami techniques f) photographs of completed models g)
originality of models and techniques h) general style
The latter is quite important: origami comprises many styles like modular,
technical, action, layered, and so on. The range of subjects is also
enourmous (flowers, animals, furniture, people, ...). I'd suggest a generic
book first, so you can pick styles, subjects and authors you like best. Take
a glance at _The New Origami_, Biddle & Biddle, St.Martin's Press, and
_Classic Origami_, Jackson, Crescent, or _Origami Omnibus_, Kasahara,
Japan Publications.
Some authors widely recognized as "you-can't-go-wrong-with-them":
author          specialty
J. Montroll     realistic animals (lately turned to not-so-complex models)
R.J.Lang        complex, realistic animals
A.Yoshizawa     _the master_, elegant, deceptively simple and incredibly
                effective models
D.Brill         everything, elegant and subtle
F.Kawahata      very detailed complex, not so highly-regarded intermediate
                animals
K.Kasahara      extremely broad range of subjects, very prolific author
                and promoter of other authors
T.Fuse          boxes and modular origami (and a nice book on Japanese masks)
S.&M.Biddle     nice models, even better diagrams

Finally, there are many many more excellent authors who can't afford time,
money or patience to publish a book with their own models. You can find some of
their work in compilations of other authors (like Kasahara, Jackson and
others) or those published by origami organizations like OUSA, BOS, JOAS,
CDO or AEP.

>>Kawasaki Rose:  the diagram i have i'm not too sure where it came from...but
>>it is version 2.01 and was diagrammed by Winson Chan.  The steps that confuse
>>me are steps 20 - on...they don't make too much sense.  If anyone could
Unless Chan has fixed the diagrams, there are some errors in a few steps.
Search the archives for the notes

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 09:02
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

JacAl was:

>Wondering if that new Montroll book is out yet -- and if anyone has any
>reviews/opinions on it.

    There was a fair bit of discussion on "Bringing O. to Life" a month or
so ago, so I'm guessing that you are curious about the next book. At the
convention, Mr. Montroll told us that the book after B.O.t.L. would be
coming out in February, and will be a book of $ animal folds. The class
where I learned this was for the purpose of beta-testing some of those $
diagrams... I remember a Triceratops, a shark, an elephant, a rhino and a
pig, but there were numerous others. I also remember that after 90 minutes
of intense Montroll-esque dollar folding, I didn't have much feeling left in
my fingertips.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 14:37
Subject: Re: kawasaki rose

>
> >  First off yes there is an easier version but it is not on the internet
> >  it is in Origami for the Connoisseur by Kasahara.
>
>Advance warning its not that much easier.... I still can't get past the
>twist
>fold at step 10. Would I be correct in thinking that this is one of those
>models thats a lot easier to learn from someone rather than a diagram?
>
>Dave.

Dave, I think you must be right. I have tried this model a half dozen times
and never manage to get beyond this step!

Gillian

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 14:48
Subject: Re: Origami challenge!

>
>Hi!
>
>I was at Burger King the other day and while I was folding the paper my
>burger
>was wrapping in so it wouldn't touch my shirt I came to think of that it
>had
>to be possible to fold something out of the paper! So, who will first fold
>something from the paper Burger King wraps their burgers (well, at least
>some
>of them :P ) in? I'm looking forward to see the scans!
>You might want to ask for a not used piece ;) Or it'll be as Scott Cramer
>says, not wetfolding but greasyfolding ;)
>Good luck!
>               Anine
>

Ive force-fed myself a royale with cheese and folded a Styracosaurus
(diagrams available soon, etc).

For those with nothing better to do, the diagrams are on my web-site.

Stephen

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800/burgerking.html

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From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@EMPNET.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 15:18
Subject: Re: kawasaki rose

Ah the Kawasaki Rose - it comes up often.

I'd almost like to document it myself as a diagramming challenge, more than
a folding challenge.

Here's some conceptual stuff that may help, provided you respond well to
analogies:

Twisty part:

Go get an empty picture frame.  Go on, go get it.  Got it?  You should have
taken a square one, did you?  Okay good.  Now go to your bed and take off
everything except the flat sheet.  Yes everything.  Now slide the square
picture frame under the exact center of the sheet.  When it's just right,
lift it up (from the top side of the sheet) and rotate it one turn (90
degrees?).  Anyway, your sheet should be a mess now, but if it was some
paper there would be folds that would inevitably form to help the new
square 'lay down'.  When you're done you'll have folds coming in from the
corners of the sheet and a square thing wrapped up in the middle of the
sheets.

If any of the above helped you then you are as twisted as I am and should
be able to continue on the rose.  Either way you have to now make the bed
and put the frame back before you get in trouble.

And for the record, I was totally unable to do this until someone showed me
in person.

"Peace In Creases"

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 16:04
Subject: Origami sighting

    In the current  (Dec.13) issue of The New Yorker, the "Shouts & Murmurs"
column is a facetious piece by Bruce McCall about auctioning off gifts of
state which were never given due to changing political circumstances.
    "Japan's intention of honoring Afghanistan with a lavishly electroplated
bonsai Christmas tree, bearing dozens of microprocessor-powered origami wind
chimes, fell through when ..."

    Isn't the BOS looking for a design for Origami Wind Chimes?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 17:03
Subject: Re: no:IRCban

Hi Boy !
At 18.04 13/12/1999 EST, you wrote:

>    All users of aol have been banned from using DALnet.

Oh.... what a shame ! AOL is such an important provider that it wouldn't be
fair to exclude its users from the #origami IRC chat. Sorry for Josefin,
Crzyhrse and the other occasional IRC chatters, but I think we should
choose another network (e.g. Undernet) and reopen an #origami channel
there. Anyone interested please contact me, or give a suggestion on this
list so that we can arrange things properly.

Roberto





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 17:07
Subject: Re: 2 things

First I have a question....I have the "Modular Origami Polyhedra" book and
am wondering which of the cubes is the one pictured on the cover that is
woven so wonderfully into others?  I would really like to have a go at
it...and I didn't see a reference to it...

Secondly...I also got a copy of "A Thousand Cranes" and was taken aback by
the Hiroshima Memorial with the thousands and thousands of cranes beneath
it...absolutely beautiful...

that's all

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton





From: Martin Liu <liumcn@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 17:15
Subject: re Kawasaki Rose

hi
just to add to conceptual stuff  about twist fold

> Date:    Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:11:37 -0800
> From:    Steve Woodmansee
> Subject: Re: kawasaki rose
>
> Ah the Kawasaki Rose - it comes up often.
>
> I'd almost like to document it myself as a diagramming challenge, more than
> a folding challenge.
>
> Here's some conceptual stuff that may help, provided you respond well to
> analogies:
>
> Twisty part:
>
1]white side up
2]push up centre small square in middle-do not be shy how far
3 ]grasp long mountain folds to the corners of the paper close to  small
square
on opposing sides
4]hold mountain folds still, rotate small square anti clockwise and
slowly flatten paper
and the little square  will further rotate anti clockwise as paper
flattens with the long mountain
and valley folds also flattening

hope this helps
folding down under
regards martin liu





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 17:36
Subject: Re: 2 things

 Beth,
     The woven cube wreath on the cover of Modular Origami Polyhedra
is made from 12 half squares and is on p 25. Other cubes would work
too. You can get interesting effects by using colors and rotating
the wreath.

Rona





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 18:18
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

Nope. I was referring to Bringing Origami To Life. Again -- any opinions?
What's in it?
~J

>From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: new Montroll book
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:01:13 -0500
>
>JacAl was:
>
> >Wondering if that new Montroll book is out yet -- and if anyone has any
> >reviews/opinions on it.
>
>     There was a fair bit of discussion on "Bringing O. to Life" a month or
>so ago, so I'm guessing that you are curious about the next book. At the
>convention, Mr. Montroll told us that the book after B.O.t.L. would be
>coming out in February, and will be a book of $ animal folds. The class
>where I learned this was for the purpose of beta-testing some of those $
>diagrams... I remember a Triceratops, a shark, an elephant, a rhino and a
>pig, but there were numerous others. I also remember that after 90 minutes
>of intense Montroll-esque dollar folding, I didn't have much feeling left
>in
>my fingertips.
>
>Scott scram@landmarknet.net

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From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 14 Dec 1999 18:29
Subject: Re: no:IRCban

    I have been sending e-mails to both aol and DALnet.  I'm hoping the
problem will be resolved by Y2K or that DALnet's servers will have millenium
problems and we will be unbanned.
<<<<<<
Oh.... what a shame ! AOL is such an important provider that it wouldn't be
fair to exclude its users from the #origami IRC chat. Sorry for Josefin,
Crzyhrse and the other occasional IRC chatters, but I think we should
choose another network (e.g. Undernet) and reopen an #origami channel
there. Anyone interested please contact me, or give a suggestion on this
list so that we can arrange things properly.





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 18:41
Subject: Re: sorry

Scott Cramer wrote:
>
> Leigh mysteriously posted:
>
> >Oops I am a bad person and deserve to be punished
>
> OK, I'll bite...
>

Ouch! this is getting kinky!  Maybe we should move this conversation
over to Origami-Unleashed where we can have some real fun!

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:23
Subject: Re: kawasaki rose

>  Ah the Kawasaki Rose - it comes up often.
>
>  I'd almost like to document it myself as a diagramming challenge, more than
>  a folding challenge.
>
>  Here's some conceptual stuff that may help, provided you respond well to
>  analogies:
>
>  Twisty part:

The analogies very good but I can do that bit, the twisty bit in step 10-11
where you turn it into a cylinder is where Im stuck... The question is will
the sheets stand upto an analogie for 10-**  : )

Dave...





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Dec 1999 21:10
Subject: NO:  Re: sorry

Kim had an urge to offer:

>Ouch! this is getting kinky!  Maybe we should move this conversation
>over to Origami-Unleashed where we can have some real fun!

Origami-Leashed would be the kinkier choice, no?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 03:03
Subject: Re: no:IRCban

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Oh.... what a shame ! AOL is such an important provider that it wouldn't be
>fair to exclude its users from the #origami IRC chat. Sorry for Josefin,

According to some statistics, AOL is the biggest provider worldwide. Still, it
has 'only' some 15% of all users. The other 85% are sometimes quite happy
without those AOL users, who are notorious for harrassment and spam throughout
the net.
Of course, AOL users on the origami list are the exception to the rule :-).

Matthias, donning his fireproof origami suit...





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 06:39
Subject: Re: sorry

Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU> sez

>Maybe we should move this conversation
>over to Origami-Unleashed where we can have some real fun!

Or even better, origami-leashed ;)  or even lashed ;)))

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 07:00
Subject: Peter and the Wolf

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:

>Please avoid books by Zulal Ayture-Scheele, she's a known plagiarizer
>(unfortunately, her books have a lot of color photos and usually sell
>well).

This is a commonly made allegation but I'm not personally convinced that the
truth of it is that simple. Having met and talked with this lady I know that
her love of origami is deep and genuine. She just looks at the matter from a
different point of view.

As well as books she has also produced two animated origami films in which
cartoon and origami characters act out the story against the background of
classical music. One is a version of Peter and the Wolf. I can't remember
what the other one is.

Has anybody else seen these films or got any information on their
availability on video etc?

Dave Mitchell





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 10:07
Subject: Re: Lesson plan

    Many thanks to everyone who responded with suggestions for a high school
geometry lesson. The hard part now is to mix down all the great ideas into
one 90 minute session... your collected input is greatly appreciated.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 12:28
Subject: Zulal Ayture-Scheele (was Re: Peter and the Wolf)

At 11:56 99/12/15 +0000, Dave Mitchell wrote:
>This is a commonly made allegation but I'm not personally convinced that the
>truth of it is that simple. Having met and talked with this lady I know that
>her love of origami is deep and genuine. She just looks at the matter from a
>different point of view.

One of her books consists of models from Kasahara's "Creative Origami"
while another consists of models from Honda's "World of Origami". No credit
is given, and she says something to the effect of "if you keep at it, you
can become a creative folder like me" in one of her books. I'd really like
to hear her "different point of view", but it sure looks "that simple" to me.

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 14:51
Subject: Re: Peter and the Wolf

Dave Mitchell schrieb:
> As well as books she has also produced two animated origami films in which
> cartoon and origami characters act out the story against the background of
> classical music. One is a version of Peter and the Wolf. I can't remember
> what the other one is.
>
> Has anybody else seen these films or got any information on their
> availability on video etc?
I have both films on video; a friend recorded them when they were shown
on arte just a few weeks ago. In both films, you can see animations of
how the animals are folded and then turn to life.
"Peter und der Wolf" is a lovely story. The second film is "Carneval des
animaux". But in my opinion it's not as good as Peter und der Wolf,
because it doesn't have a story.
Maybe it's possible to order the videos at arte; I don't have a video
copier, and I'm not going to send this video anywhere (it's not mine
anyway), so don't even ask. Besides, copying would be illegal. Even if
Aytur does it all the time :-).

Matthias





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 15:01
Subject: Re: Peter and the Wolf

Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK> sez

>Having met and talked with this lady I know that
>her love of origami is deep and genuine. She just looks at the matter from a
>different point of view.

I've met her too and yes, she is an attractive person! However, it's a
bit like saying shop-lifters have a different point of view...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 15:55
Subject: Origami Sighting (hearing?)

Here's one that's a bit obscure: in a Star Wars spoof on an episode of
"Animaniacs", Dot replies to the line "We meet again, Princess!" with
"That's Princess
AngelinaContessaLouisaFrancescaBannanaFannaLayOnnaPileOfOrigami the Third.
But you can call me Dot."

If you want to hear it, you can find the sound file here:

<http://216.25.8.215/sr/callmedot.wav>

(It's 123 kb.)
----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 16:14
Subject: Re: Peter and the Wolf

Hi Matthias!

I'm having trouble navigating the Arte web site:

http://www.arte-tv.com/

Could you please tell me whether it includes an email address that I
could direct an inquiry to about the availability of "Peter und der
Wolf" and "Carneval des Animaux" on home video (I would need NTSC video
format).

Thanks!
Dorothy





From: Dor Jeong <DJeong1066@AOL.COM>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 16:20
Subject: Origami sighting

The December 15, 1999 issue of Bottom Line Personal has a section called
"Very Useful Web Sites."   Listed is:

Origami:    Illustrations and instructions for folded paper cranes, sharks
and other imaginative shapes.
www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 16:32
Subject: Re: Peter and the Wolf

Dorothy Engleman schrieb:
> I'm having trouble navigating the Arte web site:
>
> http://www.arte-tv.com/

Eww.... I'm having troubles navigating that mess, too! One of the worst
sites I've seen in a while. Apparently they spent more money on graphic
design than on a decent navigation system.

I struggled, I clicked, I even activated javascript... but the videos
aren't in their shop. And for contacting arte, all I could find was one
lousy email address: communication@arte-tv.com .

Hmmm, I'll check the credit sequence tomorrow; maybe there's a publisher
name I can track down.

Matthias





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 17:19
Subject: Folding Sunday at AMNH

Folding Sunday
(Formerly Folding-Free-For-All)

There will not be an Origami Sunday at the Museum of Natural History in
December. The Museum is
undergoing renovations and the Children's Lunch Rooms are closed. As a
Result, meeting rooms are
at a premium. We were unable to get a room for December. We hope to have
better luck in January.

Any OrigamiUSA members in or visiting the New York City area on the 4th
Sunday of each month are welcome to join our monthly folding meetings at the

American Museum of Natural History from 1:00 to 4:00 PM.

Please bring folding paper plus something to share. It's especially
appreciated if you
bring a model to teach, but if you're not comfortable teaching yet please
bring something else to contribute such as a model to show that you've been
enjoying folding, an origami book or newsletter others might find of
interest, or paper for the group. We will have a special "sharing table" set

aside for display of models to teach, models to show, books, publications,
and paper contributions.

These monthly meetings are a continuation of the tradition Lillian
Oppenheimer began over 40 years ago of encouraging paperfolders to get
together to teach each other and exchange ideas. OrigamiUSA is able to
provide a meeting space - the rest is up to those attending. When you arrive

at the museum please check at any information desk for the meeting room
number.

The folding sessions are similar to the informal folding at convention.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Mark Kennedy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 17:23
Subject: Re: Peter and the Wolf

Hi Matthias!

Look for a distributor's name at the end of the credits.

Danke sehr!
Dorothy





From: "Melissa D. Johnson" <johnsonm@ACU.EDU>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 18:27
Subject: I'm new and Question

Hi! I'm new on this list. I have a question about a box I am trying to
make from the "Complete Origami" book by Kenneway. I am having trouble
getting the paper to fold in correctly while turning the paper clockwise
like the directions say to do. I think I may be connecting the two ends
together wrong. Any suggestions?

Also, as part of a project for one of my Master's of Library Science
classes, I did an Origami website. It is just a collection of sites around
the web that adhered to standards used when evaluating websites from the
Librarian's Index to the Internet
(http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/InternetIndex/pubcriteria.html)

I would like it if you all looked at it and told me what you thought of it
and if I need correcting, changing, adding, deleting, etc., especially if
your site is listed. It can be found at:

http://venus.twu.edu/~LS557302JM/

It will not stay there for long and I am planning on moving it to my site,
but I would like it to be fined-tuned first.

BTW, I love the "Animaniacs." I can just picture Dot saying that.

Melissa Dawn :)
http://MelissaDawn.Johnson.org/

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"Whenever we moved the first things we did were join the church and get
our library card."   --John Grisham





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 19:27
Subject: Re: I'm new and Question

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Melissa D. Johnson wrote:

> Hi! I'm new on this list. I have a question about a box I am trying to
> make from the "Complete Origami" book by Kenneway. I am having trouble
> getting the paper to fold in correctly while turning the paper clockwise
> like the directions say to do. I think I may be connecting the two ends
> together wrong. Any suggestions?

Hello and welcome Melissa!

As serendipity arises, I just happened to be looking through this exact
book when your message came through. I will assume you are refering to the
twist-folded box by Shuzo Fujimoto (pg 178).

When connecting the ends, make sure you push one whole panel inside the
other, so that the creases line up and the box will be six-sided. The
twists in these type of boxes are always tricky - try pleating the panels
one by one, using the mountain and valley folds, and layering them on top
of the next. The last couple are always the hardest, as they have be
slipped under the first panels. Diagram 12 is a little decpetive at first
- the drawing shows a view of looking down into the box from above, and
includes a view of the inside panels (the hexagon twist should fill up the
entire bottom of the box) - at first glance, I thought the drawing was
showing just the inside bottom of the box, and the twist hexagon was
actaully smaller than the base of the box.

These twist boxes are just lovely when completed, so keep persevering!

regards
Michael





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 20:19
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami

Many thanks to all of you who responded to my recent request for
suggestions on how to organize my hundreds of loose diagrams which I
acquired when I was curating "Folding California".

And the winner is...sheet protectors for diagrams, stored in a three
ring loose-leaf notebook, with tab dividers to organize the diagrams
into subjects.   And I can insert models in the sheet protectors to
accompany some of the diagrams!  An elegant compilation of many of the
imaginative and clever solutions offered!

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 21:36
Subject: Origami Doodling

While playing with Florence Temko's Hannukah Dreidle, I turned it upside
down, valley folded the base into a right angle, pushed in the middle
and curled the tip...and transformed this lovely model into a tree!

Thoki Yenn's Abstract Form was transformed into a sailboat by turning it
upside down and into an iceberg by laying it on its side.

Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
origami.

Dorothy, the parallel inventor of an upside-down Hannukah Dreidle





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 21:55
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

At 06:34 PM 12/15/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>While playing with Florence Temko's Hannukah Dreidle, I turned it upside
>down, valley folded the base into a right angle, pushed in the middle
>and curled the tip...and transformed this lovely model into a tree!
>
>Thoki Yenn's Abstract Form was transformed into a sailboat by turning it
>upside down and into an iceberg by laying it on its side.
>
>Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
>origami.
>
>Dorothy, the parallel inventor of an upside-down Hannukah Dreidle
>
>
Dorothy:

I turned a sunken, squashed bird base into a butterfly for my entry
into the Origami Svrige Butterfly model contest.  I'm still waiting
for the book of original model diagrams Dino promised to all creators
who entered their own models.

Ria Sutter
ps you can see it on the paper wonders site in the picture gallery





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 21:58
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

How do you think Florence discovered the Dreidle?

Just kidddddddddddddding :-)

ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu
http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy Engleman" <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 6:34 PM
Subject: Origami Doodling

> While playing with Florence Temko's Hannukah Dreidle, I turned it upside
> down, valley folded the base into a right angle, pushed in the middle
> and curled the tip...and transformed this lovely model into a tree!
>
> Thoki Yenn's Abstract Form was transformed into a sailboat by turning it
> upside down and into an iceberg by laying it on its side.
>
> Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
> origami.
>
> Dorothy, the parallel inventor of an upside-down Hannukah Dreidle





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 15 Dec 1999 23:25
Subject: Re: I'm new and Question

> Hi! I'm new on this list. I have a question about a box I am trying to
> make from the "Complete Origami" book by Kenneway. I am having trouble
> getting the paper to fold in correctly while turning the paper clockwise
> like the directions say to do. I think I may be connecting the two ends
> together wrong. Any suggestions?

There is an easy cheat(?) to doing a twist fold like the one
 you are stuck on.
This is not the same fold.  It is a fold that has the same look
 without the hassle.

Here goes..........

1)In the picture (step 8) you have a saw tooth of mountain and valley folds.
  Take the top layer only and mountain fold in half from side to side.
  This will tuck the top half behind the bottom half.

  It may be easier the first time to just cut one half off rather than fold
  behind so it is not so  thick. (you will not need the other half)

2)From there you can continue as the book says.

   I find it easier to do while the the paper is open unlike the book.
   As you make the folds for the top it will curl into the hex box
   shape but it will work both ways.  Just work your way around folding
   one flap over the next.

3) you will have to tuck the last flap under the first on both sides.
    (inside and outside)
    The outside of the box will look just like the picture in the book.
    The inside will have a nice pinwheel look.

This all sounds strange but if you try it things will fall together.
Happy Folding!

Joe

P.S.   Before I get flamed.....
          The cut that I mention above only shortens the paper.





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 00:30
Subject: Re: I'm new and Question

How to make a twist fold.......

I forgot to mention that this is also an very easy way for you
or anyone to learn the twist fold.  Make 3 or four of these boxes
but with each box cut off a little less paper.  By doing this you will
learn the dynamics and get the "feel" of how twist folding works.

Joe





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 01:18
Subject: Re: new Montroll book

> Mr. Montroll told us that the book after B.O.t.L. would be
> coming out in February, and will be a book of $ animal folds. The class
> where I learned this was for the purpose of beta-testing some of those $
> diagrams... I remember a Triceratops, a shark, an elephant, a rhino and a
> pig, but there were numerous others. I also remember that after 90 minutes
> of intense Montroll-esque dollar folding, I didn't have much feeling left
in
> my fingertips.
>
> Scott scram@landmarknet.net
>

Hey does the drool on my chin show :-)..
I will have to put some of my "Folding Money" aside.

On a serious note,

Does anyone know a complete list of the folds in the book?
It sounds like a good one.

Also I would love to help with any beta-testing if the need arises in the
future.

Joe





From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 02:28
Subject: Sweets to your ears

Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

Is this person for real?  Isn't she liable to get sued for using other
people's work and not give them credit or something?!

Has anyone approach her and talk face to face about this?  Assuming that she
did indeed copy others work, it's too bad most of the author that was
mention lives in Asia.

What has the Origami world coming too...and all this time I thought we were
all sweet and kind to one another (Tongue in Cheek offcourse).  This sucks
big time folks.

Paper-man

P.S.  Joseph, dude, I got a chance to listen to the sound of Animaniacs and
it's hilarious.  Almost roll over and died of laughter.
Any other humourous jokes or sound you can send me or the list.  We can
certainly need some cheering up?!!

>
>Date:    Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:48:38 -0800
>From:    Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>Subject: Origami Sighting (hearing?)
>
>Here's one that's a bit obscure: in a Star Wars spoof on an episode of
>"Animaniacs", Dot replies to the line "We meet again, Princess!" with
>"That's Princess
>AngelinaContessaLouisaFrancescaBannanaFannaLayOnnaPileOfOrigami the Third.
>But you can call me Dot."
>
>If you want to hear it, you can find the sound file here:
>
><http://216.25.8.215/sr/callmedot.wav>
>
>(It's 123 kb.)
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of ORIGAMI Digest - 14 Dec 1999 to 15 Dec 1999 (#1999-98)
>*************************************************************

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From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 02:34
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

On 16-Dec-99, Dorothy Engleman (FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET) wrote:

>Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
>origami.

I folded THE Yoshizawa butterfly for a young lady and she said it was
a fox (sheesh, she was a fox... - but lets get back to origami. :)

Indeed, if you turn it so it's head point down, you see:

two fox-like ears
two fox-like cheeks, with the shape suggesting whiskers
one fox-like nose

so it IS fox too!

Doodling with the traditional paper cup: rabbit ear the locking flap
straight up to create nose, then use the other flap for the lower yaw,
add two curvy folds to create eyes...

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 02:34
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami

On 16-Dec-99, Dorothy Engleman (FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET) wrote:

>And the winner is...sheet protectors for diagrams, stored in a three
>ring loose-leaf notebook, with tab dividers to organize the diagrams
>into subjects.

My problem is that the tab dividers don't show, as the plastic sheet
protectors make the paper come out just that much more...  dammit!
I'll probably end up glueing (that's not for origami models, don't
lash me!) a bit of extra paperboard to the dividers and re-hole them.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 02:43
Subject: Rush!!

Hi everyone,

My comments is to Mr. Douglas Zander:

I haven't been on the list for very long, I'm relatively a new comer but
judging by the current group discussions and the questions that is usually
brought up on the various topics.  I believe that most of us nowadays are
much more in a "MAD RUSH".

The majority of us are caught up in this thing call "Time" and everything we
see, hear or do, has to be expedient.  Patience is few as many of us are
trying so desperately to crammed as much things to a day as possible.  I
myself am guilty of doing that every now and then.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all love to slow down, take our
time and just relax but it isn't always possible.  Technology is becoming
more advance and we are always trying to learn new things as well as live
with the current constant pressure from our daily lives.

"If I'm not making sense here folks, pls do shoot me!"

Yup, that's all that I have to say.

Paper-man,
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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 05:51
Subject: Re: Sweets to your ears

Stephen Tran schrieb:
> Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele
> Is this person for real?  Isn't she liable to get sued for using other
> people's work and not give them credit or something?!
Very unlikely. Origami creators aren't exactly millionaires, so it's
neither worth sueing her, nor does anybody have the funds to do it.

> Has anyone approach her and talk face to face about this?  Assuming that she
> did indeed copy others work, it's too bad most of the author that was
> mention lives in Asia.
Nick Robinson said he couldn't bring himself to confronting her because
she was too attractive... any female volunteers?

> What has the Origami world coming too...and all this time I thought we were
> all sweet and kind to one another (Tongue in Cheek offcourse).  This sucks
> big time folks.
It's been that way for quite a few years now. Scheel-Zulal isn't the
only one to do it, but she's one of the better known.

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 05:56
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

Jorma Oksanen schrieb:
> >Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
> >origami.
>
> I folded THE Yoshizawa butterfly for a young lady and she said it was
> a fox (sheesh, she was a fox... - but lets get back to origami. :)
Guess it doesn't even take any doodling to 'create' new models; the Mask
of Pan in Creative Origami by Kasahara, which is one of my favourite
folds,  is always identified as a beetle.

Matthias





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 07:32
Subject: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

Joseph Wu schreib:

>One of her books consists of models from Kasahara's "Creative Origami"
>while another consists of models from Honda's "World of Origami".

However 'World of Origami' is also in its turn said to contain works by
Yoshizawa without permission or acknowledgment - though I don't know if this
is actually true or not.

This is not to defend plagiarism - simply to suggest that it's a very strong
word and that we ought to be careful how we use it. Concepts of fair play in
this matter vary greatly between different individuals and cultures.

It would be interesting to know how Kasahara feels about the use of his
models in this way. Any one know?

>she says something to the effect of "if you keep at it, you
>can become a creative folder like me" in one of her books.

It also occurs to me that this might not mean what you and I think it ought
to? In English this could also be construed as simply referring to creative
skill in folding the designs not the creation of the designs themselves.

Dave Mitchell





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 07:32
Subject: Peter and the Wolf

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

>I have both films on video; a friend recorded them when they were shown
>on arte just a few weeks ago. In both films, you can see animations of
>how the animals are folded and then turn to life.

Yes, that's what I recall as being so interesting. Good to know they are
still around. Maybe I'll come across the English language versions again
some time.

Arte? Is that the satellite channel that shows all those rude programmes
late at night?

(A friend of mine has told me about these. Sometimes he tapes them too.)

> I'm not going to send this video anywhere (it's not mine
>anyway), so don't even ask.

Quite.

Dave Mitchell





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 08:25
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami

Hi Jorma:

I solved that problem by making my own dividers from the larger side of a
folder. You know those folders (for file cabinets) made from card stock.
Just cut it to the desired width and then punch the holes in it. They are
relatively inexpensive and still have a nice tab for labeling, worked
great for me.

Hope this helps
Kathy  <*))))><

> My problem is that the tab dividers don't show, as the plastic sheet
> protectors make the paper come out just that much more...  dammit!
> I'll probably end up glueing (that's not for origami models, don't
> lash me!) a bit of extra paperboard to the dividers and re-hole them.





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 08:27
Subject: Re: Origami Doodling

>Has anyone else "discovered" other models while doodling with their
>origami.
>
>Dorothy, the parallel inventor of an upside-down Hannukah Dreidle

In fact, that's the *only* way I've created new models, generally.  Of a
dozen or so different designs (most trivial), all but one or two came from
doodling.  Though I don't usually start from the midpoint of someone else's
model- I just start with a piece of paper and try to fold it in ways i never
have before.  Not the most efficient approach, but is occasionally works.

Beside the fact that I usually end up with something that is at best
labelled "abstract form, "(which I don't care for), the only other drawback
to this method is peoples' reactions when I answer their "What are you
making now" question with the phrase "I don't know yet, I'm just doodling."
They generally chuckle...

Classes are done here, now must get to work on the Origami class.  I think I
am going to have at least part of a session on doodling...

Kevin Kinney





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 09:32
Subject: Re: Sweets to your ears

Message text written by Origami List
>> Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele
> Is this person for real?  Isn't she liable to get sued for using other
> people's work and not give them credit or something?!
Very unlikely. Origami creators aren't exactly millionaires, so it's
neither worth sueing her, nor does anybody have the funds to do it.
<

        I've always thought Ms. Ayture-Scheele to be _morally_ dishonest
for putting others' models in her books uncredited, but is it actually
_illegal_?  After all, she didn't use anyone else's _diagrams_ -- in the
books of hers I've seen, all the diagrams are original (actually photos of
the model being folded), not the same drawings in Kasahara's (and others')
books.  And, as I recall, it's the _diagrams_ that get copyrighted, not the
process by which a model is folded...?  A process, by definition, is more
ethereal than a diagram, and processes can get _patented_, but not
copyrighted, and AFAIK, no one's ever tried to patent a folding process.

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From: Jeff Block <info@LOTUSENTERTAINYOU.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 09:35
Subject: Last call for X-Mas presents...

Hi,

Saturday the 18th is last call for ordering
our Origami Flowers for delivery before the
25th.

http://www.lotusentertainyou.com

Also we're seeking affiliates to sell our
flowers thru their web sites - 18% commission

Season's Greetings and a Happy New Year 2000
We look forward to folding for you

Jeff Block
Lotus Entertain You, Inc.





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 09:37
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

>she says something to the effect of "if you keep at it, you
> can become a creative folder like me" in one of her books.
===============
In fairness to this author (I know, some of you prefer the term
plagiarist when referring to her), it would be preferable if you identified
the book and page number and quoted her exact words in context.  Since you
consider yourself a linguist, you should be particularly aware of the
pitfalls of paraphrasing what someone has said (or written) and in doing so
recasting the original meaning to reflect a personal bias.
I am not defending or condemning this writer.  I am suggesting that
criticisms of her be done in an honorable fashion.





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 09:50
Subject: Working Wheel of Fortune??

I'd like to fold a working wheel of fortune (basically just a wheel
that can be rotated on a pivot) from a square piece of paper, but I
haven't got a clue how to make a circle.  I could settle for an
octagon (and the rest would be easy), but I'm wondering:

1.  Can a nice circle be folded from a square?

2.  Any ideas on how to make the wheel of fortune?

(I would fold this from cardstock and really use it, BTW.)

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@WORLD.STD.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 10:10
Subject: Two fold "Ski Resort"

For fans of minimalist origami, here is a two fold "Ski Resort".

Start with a square sheet of forest green kami, white side up.  Make a
horizontal valley fold about 3/7 of the way up from the bottom.  This
doesn't have to precise -- just do it by eye.  The result is a rectangle
whose bottom 3/4 is green and top 1/4 is a white stripe.  Turn the paper
over and rotate so that the white stripe is at the bottom on the back side.
Make a diagonal valley fold (through both layers of the paper) from the
lower left corner of the paper to the upper right hand corner.  Rotate the
model so that the diagonal edge is horizontal.  Voila!  Two mountain peaks
with a broad, well groomed ski run from the top to the bottom.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Desdemona Taylor <Thalassa5@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 10:17
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

      Are these works of origami truly copyrighted or are they in public
domain, therefore usable and printable by all?  How do you copyright an
origami module?  Be careful about accusing people of plagerism.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 10:36
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

Desdemona Taylor inquired:
>       Are these works of origami truly copyrighted or are they in public
> domain, therefore usable and printable by all?  How do you copyright an
> origami module?  Be careful about accusing people of plagerism.

Actually, as was just recently pointed out (depening on what order you happen
to get the messages in) by Jerry Harris, it isn't a question of copyright
violation, it is a moral offense of taking someone else's work and claiming it
as your own. As was also recently mentioned, there is some question (though
how much depends on who you ask) about Honda's book. However, stealing from a
thief is still stealing, and it still steals credit from the true creator.

I don't know if I could ever bring myself to actually burn a book, but ZAS's
books make me think real hard about it.

-D'gou





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 16 Dec 1999 12:47
Subject: Re: Two fold "Ski Resort"

In a message dated 12/16/99 7:10:58 AM, j9@WORLD.STD.COM writes:

<<  Two mountain peaks
with a broad, well groomed ski run from the top to the bottom. >>

I like your ski resort. Imagine such a wonderfully groomed run
straight down! It's perfect. Thanks. I made one. It's a dream!
And, if you flip the finished model over there's a triple black diamond
on the other side of the mountain for the brave. ;)!
Kelly





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1999 12:47
Subject: Re: Zulal Ayture-Scheele

From: Desdemona Taylor <Thalassa5@AOL.COM>

>   Are these works of origami truly copyrighted or are they in public
> domain, therefore usable and printable by all?  How do you copyright
an
> origami module?  Be careful about accusing people of plagerism.

I don't know the definitive answer to these questions, but I *have*
come to a substantial out of court financial settlement with a
publisher for -- in part -- publishing an origami book that contained
without permission and without credit, some of my creations.

The other part of my claim was more speculative, but the publisher
accepted it.  I claimed the book included a number of traditional
models that had also been included in the book that included my lifted
creations (it was one of MY OWN books!).  No problem so far... but my
case was that the re-published traditional models clearly used the
same folding sequences that I had originally used in my book, and thus
the instructions were plagiarised.  The folding sequences for my own
creations had likewise been plagiarised.

I'm sure this successful claim doesn't set a legal precedent.  I think
they just wanted to be rid of me before I brought in the legal people
from the publisher who published my book -- a major international
company who would have the muscle to vigorously pursue a claim.  Being
naive in these matters, I probably settled for a relatively small sum,
compared to what my publisher would have wanted.  Nevertheless, they
*did* pay me in full and without contesting my claims.

Maybe someone should have tried the same with Ms Ayture-Scheele's
publisher, among others?  Maybe we creators and authors aren't as
powerless as might be believed! :-)

Paul Jackson
