




From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:08
Subject: Candle diagrams available

Somebody asked for 3D candle diagrams, so I've scanned in one of my old
designs that was published in a NOA magazine & added it to the other
diagrams at Cheesypeas. Just in time for the festive season!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:08
Subject: BOS highlights - and there's more!

Thanks to the efforts of Dennis Walker, the latest batch of highlights
from past issues of British Origami (160-169) is now online at the BOS
site. Like the others, there's a wealth of interesting and stimulating
articles on offer.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Terry Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:19
Subject: Re: humidity

> If you can't control environmental humidity, the dry dessicant is next best;
>these packets can be dried out periodically in a warm oven.

Dessicant packets can also be reactivated in a microwave oven in a very
short time.  Obviously, some caution and experimentation is advised.

Terry Rioux





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:53
Subject: Re: degradation

Ronald Koh wrote:
>
>As a matter of fact, I do store the few more important videos in an
>airtight container packed with silica gel. Three which are really
>important to me are stored in a small dehumidifier cabinet together with
>computer diskettes, cameras, camera lenses and my philatelic collection.
>Inspite of this, I still had occasional problems with fungus, especially
>if the tapes are left untouched for a few months. I overcame this by
>fast-warding and rewinding each of these tapes every month or so.

So, I guess wet-folding comes pretty naturally, then?

Phil

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
Animal stories  &  Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 19:42
Subject: please help me!!!!!!!!

    I have just joined OUSA and I am a little confused with the lending
library process.  What do I send in to receive my?  It mentions a
registration card but I'm not sure what they mean.  Is there any limit to
the number of books that I can borrow?  I am wondering whether or not to
order a convention annual and also more importantly what year I should
order.  Are there a lot of good complex models in these books?  One more
thing I have noticed that there are not a whole lot of models in The Paper
and the ones in there are lacking in quality in my opinion.  May be this is
just this particular issue but I was wondering how I would send diagrams of
one of my models to them and if there is any chance it could get in the
magazine.

Thanks
Collin Weber

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 20:13
Subject: Re: degradation

Phil wrote:
>
> So, I guess wet-folding comes pretty naturally, then?

Dunno - Use tissue foil most of the time! :o)

Never quite got the hang of wetfolding, despite all the helpful write
ups on the internet and tips on this list. One of the problems is that
the paper takes too long to dry, for my liking.

James wrote:

I find myself in the position of trying to explain a joke.

Well, James, a smiley would have helped. You have a nice weekend too.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 20:15
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

Kenny1414@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> He's in the real tropics, high humidity, high temperature, lots of light,
> incredible biological diversity. Not surprising that fungus eats videos.
> 'm surprised he isn't reporting problems with mildew and such
> attacking his books.

Some of my older books - particularly those by Robert Harbin - have
yellowed quite significantly, but this I think is due more to the acid
content of the paper then climatic conditions. I have no problem with
fungus on books.

Perhaps there may be something in video tapes which attract fungal
growth, given the right climatic conditions. The oft-held view over here
is that it has got to do with the type of adhesive used to fix the
magnetic particles to the plastic strip, which fungus find yummy. I
suppose books are less appetizing.

I am yet to come across any authoritative confirmation of this view.





From: Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 20:23
Subject: chess set??

  Hello folders,

  By chance is there anyone who knows of any diagrams or books on a
chess set!

     Thanks
     Chris Hill





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 21:07
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Stephenson" <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 4, 1999 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

> > The latest issue of Martha Stewart Living (December 1999) features a
simple
> >  "balloon" box fold which she says you can put over those small "fairy"
> >  Christmas lights as a sort of party decoration.  She advises to not
leave
> >  them on for very long and to check them frequently.  I wonder if
there's a
> >  kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?
>
> The best way to make sure the paper doesn't catch fire would be to keep it
> nice and moist ... in fact once the balloon is on the lights you could
give
> it a quick spray with a squirty bottle every few hours...
>
> Dave-S
>
> N.B. For anyone who actually considers doing this please tell me in
advance
> so I can forward your names to the Y2K Darwin awards ;) )

 Puts me in mind of tose holiday commercials -- "Pop, pop, fizz, fizz, oh
what a relief... uh, somebody call the fire department...

                                              Michael

                                            (Lurker, Grade A)





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 21:13
Subject: Re: chess set??

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 4, 1999 5:21 PM
Subject: chess set??

>   Hello folders,
>
>   By chance is there anyone who knows of any diagrams or books on a
> chess set!
>

   "Origami Inside-Out" by John Montroll has a nice chess set and board. The
pieces are pretty easy to make, and the board itself is 3D, including a
stand.
   I know there's a couple of others out there, but that's the only one I
have at present, and my feeble memory can't recall who the other one(s)
is(are) by...

                                                    Michael





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 21:51
Subject: New Christmas model

Steve Hecht usually posts these announcements, but he is having trouble with
his Origami-l subscription.  At his request, this is being posted for him.

===================== BEGIN =========================
'Tis the season and all that...

I've placed diagrams for my "$ Christmas Tree" model on my site:

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

I appreciate feedback regarding:
    A.  problems browsing the site
    B.  clarity of the diagrams (graphical and textual)
    C.  errors and oversights
    D.  ideas for improvements/variations in the models

This model is based on a familiar technique, but I've added some complexity
to
prevent the traditional "drooping" at each level of the tree.  Also, the
idea of a
Christmas tree made out of money appeals to my cynical nature.

--Steve Hecht
===================== END =========================





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 02:28
Subject: Re: chess set??

The BOS had a booklet (No. 7) devoted to chess sets by Martin Wall, Max
Hulme and Neal Elias. Not sure if it is still available though.

Chris Hill wrote:
>
>   Hello folders,
>
>   By chance is there anyone who knows of any diagrams or books on a
> chess set!
>
>      Thanks
>      Chris Hill





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 03:17
Subject: Re: Cedarwood

Cedar wood is also used as a deterrent to moths. In South-East Asia, camphor
     wood might be a good equivalent...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

__________
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I   There are more possibilities than you imagine.





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 04:35
Subject: Re: Candle diagrams available

Nick,
At 22.05 4/12/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>Somebody asked for 3D candle diagrams, so I've scanned in one of my old
>designs that was published in a NOA magazine & added it to the other
>diagrams at Cheesypeas. Just in time for the festive season!

As you mention the festive season, I take the chance to remind that the CDO
homepage has been restyled with a Nativity scene by Luigi Leonardi, and
that the "model of the month" is a Holy Family (Xmas crib) by Luigi:

http://www.essenet.it/cdo

Roberto





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 11:04
Subject: Re: Cedarwood

Camphor wood is not widely found in South East Asia, as far as I know.
We do find manufactured camphor wood products, mainly jewelry boxes, in
specialist shops. These are mainly imported, and are anything but cheap.
But synthetic camphor balls, which are readily available, might just
help. I'll experiment with a couple of unimportant video tapes.

Thanks, Julia.

Ron.

Julia Palffy wrote:
>
> Cedar wood is also used as a deterrent to moths. In South-East Asia, camphor
     wood might be a good equivalent...





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 12:38
Subject: Icons

Last week sometime somebody asked for Icons. I have a few if you are
interested!! I seem to be having a problem with my mail, they are all getting
deleted after 24hours so I have lost the original!!

Leigh





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Dec 1999 13:12
Subject: Darwin Awards

<<<<<<
N.B. For anyone who actually considers doing this please tell me in advance
so I can forward your names to the Y2K Darwin awards ;)
>>>>>>

do the Darwin awards have a website?  Where can I find who wins the Y2K ones?





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 13:27
Subject: Re: OT Darwin Awards

Check out http://www.darwinawards.com/

                    Marion





From: Dennis Walker <TheWalkers@INAME.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 13:29
Subject: Model Help

Hello,

        I'm currently trying to fold the Sutegosaurus (sic) from Origami
Fantasy.
        I'm stuck at step 91 on page 145. It appears to say that the pleats
should be slid apart, but I can't get it to sit properly since I'm not
sure what should be going on behind. Consequently, mine does not look
like the diagram on step 92!
        If anyone has any hints, I'd be very grateful

                        Thank in advance

                                        Dennis Walker





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 15:30
Subject: Re: chess set??

Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET> sez

>  By chance is there anyone who knows of any diagrams or books on a
>chess set!

Perfect cue - the BOS has recently remastered the booklet "Chess sets of
Elias, Hulme & Wall" - in case you don't know of them, they were superb
technical creators, each approaching the problem from very different
angles. This booklet will be available from BOS supplies early in the
New Year. Max Hulme was the first to engineer a 1 piece chess board
solution in the 1970's but you should also check out Montroll's amazing
solution in "Origami Inside-out".

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 18:46
Subject: Re: chess set??

Ronald,
At 15.27 5/12/1999 +0800, you wrote:
>The BOS had a booklet (No. 7) devoted to chess sets by Martin Wall, Max
>Hulme and Neal Elias. Not sure if it is still available though.

Also the CDO has published a booklet with four chess sets by different
authors (Luigi Leonardi, Raffaele Leonardi, Pietro Macchi and Luca
Vitagliano). Drawings by Luigi Leonardi (Quaderni di Quadrato Magico n. 26,
"SCACCHI" (Chess Sets)).

Roberto





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 19:20
Subject: Tanteidan 5

Can anyone refer me to a web site where some kind soul has translated the
written instructions for any of the diagrams in Tanteidan 5? I received the
book yesterday and I'm having one or two problems with some of the diagrams
such as the Penguin.

Dave-S

N.B. - New commercial for contradiction perfume:

One day I will fold Bahamut... One day the rain forests will be exhausted.

It would be nice if the ad contained a single contradiction in it...





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 19:38
Subject: Origami Sighting - Correction

I think I said there was a mention of Origami in Martha Stewart Living in
the December issue, well, it's not MSL--it's "Inspirations for your Home",
a British decorating magazine.

BTW, if anyone in Britain gets this magazine (IfyH) and is interested in
trading every month for an American magazine, maybe we can work something
out.
------------------------------------------------------------<*>---
kettir at         | To conquer others is to wield power.
geocities dot com | To conquer yourself is to know the way.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 19:59
Subject: menorahgami

Hey kids! Anybody know where I can get recipes (diagrams) for a dreidel and
a menorah? All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 20:34
Subject: what do you think of rayon mesh?

I found some in a craft store the other day, and am eager to try it out.
They showed the classic crane on the cover as having been folded out of
mesh, and I recall some discussion on this list about the rose from
_Origami for the Connoisseur_ being effective out of this "paper."

What virtues and limitations have the rest of you run across?  Can you use
it for modulars?  Can it withstand multiply-creased folds or multiple
layers or does it become too thick and bulky?  The label says it shouldn't
be allowed to become wet, but is careful wet-folding an option?

Thanks in advance,
Rob





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:19
Subject: Why won't any one answer me?????

I have sent out a buch of messages and haven't received a single reply.  If
you are reading this please tell me so that I know my messages are getting
through.  Also please try to reply to my previous massages which are rather
important about OUSA Annuals.  One more question.  Are all those awesome
dogs in the Encyclopedia of Origami and Papercraft by Yoshizawa diagrammed
and what is in Yoshizawa's book?  (Lively Origami in think.)

Thanks You
Collin Weber

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From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:25
Subject: Re: chess set??

Chris Hill inquired...
>  By chance is there anyone who knows of any diagrams or books on a
>chess set!

Robert Neale & Thomas Hull have a clever, easy one (without board) in
Origami, Plain and Simple. This is a nice book, anyway--enjoyable even if
you're not a beginner. The text is fun, too. Anybody else think text is an
important part of an origami book?

--Elise





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:36
Subject: Re: The Hecht site

Thanks, Steve, for posting your URL; I saved several things to try when I
get a chance. No problems navigating. Thanks for including PDF versions!!
--Elise





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:51
Subject: Re: menorahgami

Florence Temko has diagrams for a dreidel in "Jewish Origami One".
Dorothy

With clear melting chicken fat
I'd try to wash away the worries
of this meshugenah world

                  Bashowitz





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 00:09
Subject: Re: Why won't any one answer me?????

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, collin weber wrote:

> Also please try to reply to my previous massages which are rather
> important

Your shoulder technique is quite good, but the lower back certainly needs
more attendance (more kneading, less rubbing) ;-}

regards
Michael





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 02:08
Subject: Re: Why won't any one answer me?????

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>important about OUSA Annuals.  One more question.  Are all those awesome
>dogs in the Encyclopedia of Origami and Papercraft by Yoshizawa diagrammed
>and what is in Yoshizawa's book?  (Lively Origami in think.)

Regarding the OUSA questions, most or all of them could be much better
answered by the OUSA staff. Their website is at http://www.origami-usa.org.

Matthias





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 05:18
Subject: Re: cry for help..

Great guys! I knew, you wouldn't disappoint me! Give me more!!!

Happy folding!
Evi

> >Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?

> Pleats help me?

> all the best,

> Nick  >>

>I'm BLINTZED and in a crimp.... swivel me to safety?

>Russell





From: Dave Venables <davevenables@USA.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 05:48
Subject: Bob Neales pop up card

Some years ago I taught Robert Neals pop up greeting card at a BOS convention.
Have since lost all models and cant find diagrams - can anyone please help
where I might find same.

Many thanks

Dave Venables

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From: good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 05:58
Subject: Re: menorahgami

Hi Christopher:

There's a Dreidel in the FOCA convention collection (1986) by Alice Gray
and Joan Appel.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 10:11
Subject: Re: cry for help..

Hey, Evi:

The poor guy has been shamed and beaten into submission - help is in the
post. 'Nuff awready!! :o)

Evi wrote:
>
> Great guys! I knew, you wouldn't disappoint me! Give me more!!!
>
> Happy folding!
> Evi
>
> > >Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?
>
> > Pleats help me?
>
> > all the best,
>
> > Nick  >>
>
> >I'm BLINTZED and in a crimp.... swivel me to safety?
>
> >Russell





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 10:21
Subject: Origami Sighting

N.Y.Sunday Times Magazine, 12/5/99, page 123: In an article titled "Designs
for the Next Millennium:" Describing  the design of a time capsule, the
caption (partial) reads: "But its shape evokes a a flower, an origami
construction, a mandala - all objects that resonate on a more subjective
level."
Best from Florence.





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 06 Dec 1999 10:36
Subject: Re: cry for help..

My energy is de-pleated and I'm sinking into depression
<<<<<<
Great guys! I knew, you wouldn't disappoint me! Give me more!!!

Happy folding!
Evi

> >Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?

> Pleats help me?

> all the best,

> Nick  >>

>I'm BLINTZED and in a crimp.... swivel me to safety?

>Russell





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 11:03
Subject: Re: Model Help

Dennis made a plea(t) for help:

>        I'm stuck at step 91 on page 145. It appears to say that the pleats
>should be slid apart, but I can't get it to sit properly since I'm not
>sure what should be going on behind.

    It's been a while since I folded one, but I vaguely recall pulling out
those pleats, as indicated, and letting whatever happened inside,  just
happen. If you look at the angles formed at the top edge of the section you
have 'unpleated'  (diagram 92), you can infer what the reverse side is doing
to some degree. None of what you do on the inside will be seen in the
finished model, so just grit your teeth and forge ahead. You're only 52
steps from the end!!!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 11:03
Subject: Re: cry for help..

>My energy is de-pleated and I'm sinking into depression
>Great guys! I knew, you wouldn't disappoint me! Give me more!!!

    I think we've spread the base humor a bit thin. I don't want to start a
flap, but I think this thread should be squashed.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 11:11
Subject: fireproof paper

If anyone does know of a fireproof paper (or a way to fireproof paper
without ruining it) please let me kknow - it has been the major
stumbling block to doing a Christmas tree fro our Festival of Treees -
the ornaments need to be fireproof.

> I wonder if there's a
> kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?

Dee





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 11:21
Subject: Re: what do you think of rayon mesh?

I have found the rayon mesh rather hard to work with. I thought it would
be a great way to make some potpourri boxes. (It worked, but you have to
be careful with how many layers your box winds up being - some of Tomoko
Fuse's almost keep the smell in because there are so many layers once
you get the things put together! They LOOK way cool though.)

Generally, the simpler the model, the better. After creasing the mesh a
couple of times it tends to get floppy. It is also rather difficult to
SEE the creases! Seems like I had some problems with lining up edges,
too, since they are jaggedy from where they cut the mesh. Some creases
don't hold well since the mesh is springy.

Saying all that, it is sort of fun to work with and you get some very
different looks with models than you're used to.

Dee





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 12:22
Subject: Re: maekawa's devil again

June,

yes, you are right, i apologize.  upon reading my letter again i find that
it is more accusatory than i intended.  i did, however, ask whether my
guess was correct, though, so i really meant to inquire rather than accuse.
in any case, thanks for the info.

at the time, i debated whether i wanted to become a member, but $40 is a lot
for me right now, and ten bucks each issue is a little expensive considering
i can't read it!

but i may reconsider.  is it possible to do this on-line, and if so, can
you supply me with a web address?

best regards,
-dan

>
>  now i'm beginning to think that i was lied to, that, in fact, those issues
>  were for sale individually.  why else would they be stacked up by the
>  bookshelf, with (if i remember correctly) a price printed on the cover?
>  so i think that membership thing was a bunch of hooey.
>
>  can anyone tell me if that was correct?
>   >>
>
> Dear Dan,
>
> The booklet you picked up with the photograph of Maekawa's Devil on it was a
> copy of JOAS magazine.  These are printed bi-monthly (six issues/year) are
> not sold individually.  They are sent to JOAS members who have paid $40/year
> to receive their copies.  I believe the books were set up on the shelf to
> show perspective members what they should expect to receive should they
> decide to order membership.  Many people have purchased membership recently
> and they all receive the first three issues upon paying their membership.
>
> Having those copies readily available in the office makes filling the orders
> easier for the staff.  Remember -- the Origami House Gallery is very small,
> you said so yourself.  I would highly recommend that you investigate
> questionable situations more fully before making accusations of "being lied
> to" in the future!
>
>
> Yours,
>
> June Sakamoto





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 12:41
Subject: Re: cry for help..

Evi pleated...
>Great guys! I knew, you wouldn't disappoint me! Give me more!!!

One that's related to SOS, & needn't be associated with wetfolding: "I'm
sinking!" Which is when I often bail :-) out, if it's a Lang sink!
--Elise





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 12:45
Subject: Merry Christmas!!

Dear Origami Lovers & Friends Worldwide,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you. Please keep sharing your
origami with me, especially in my role as editor - man for the British
Origami Society: Your
diagrams are ALWAYS welcome!!

Happy Folding 2000!!

Fondest Wishes,

Rick Beech.





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 12:56
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas!!

>
> Dear Origami Lovers & Friends Worldwide,
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you. Please keep sharing your
> origami with me, especially in my role as editor - man for the British
> Origami Society: Your
> diagrams are ALWAYS welcome!!
>
> Happy Folding 2000!!
>
> Fondest Wishes,
>
> Rick Beech.
>
And don't forget a Happy Channukah to those of us who are celebrating the
holiday this week.

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 13:25
Subject: Re: Why won't any one answer me?????

Colin Webber wrote:
>I have sent out a buch of messages and haven't received a single reply.  If
>you are reading this please tell me so that I know my messages are getting
>through.  Also please try to reply to my previous massages which are rather
>important about OUSA Annuals.

I don't recall ever having recieved a massage from you. My shoulder is
rather sore from too much free-hand folding, so feel free.

Also, I'm not a member of OUSA...sorry, cant help with yer enquiry, mate.

Stephen

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From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 13:52
Subject: Re: Lady Liberty

Thank you to Dorothy Engleman for referencing the availability of a video
diagram for David Shall's origami model of the Statue of Liberty.

Anyone interested in acquiring a copy of the video diagram may contact me
directly at:  StickmanAZ@aol.com for further details.

Please do not reply  to this posting or contact me thru the Origami-L list.

deg farrelly
StickmanAZ@aol.com

Beth Stern wrote:

<<Date:    Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:21:08 -0500
From:    BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Lady Liberty

If anyone decides to diagram this lovely lady...please  please post it....I
have wanted to try her for a long time>>





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 13:53
Subject: Cedar wood

Ronald Koh wrote:

<<Now where would I be able to find cedar wood in South East Asia? :o)
Thanks for the thought, though.>>

Cigars are packed in cedar boxes, often with additional pieces of cedar in
the box.  Ask your local tobacconist for some.

deg farrelly





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 15:11
Subject: Re: fireproof paper

At 09:08 AM 12/06/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>If anyone does know of a fireproof paper (or a way to fireproof paper
>without ruining it) please let me kknow - it has been the major
>stumbling block to doing a Christmas tree fro our Festival of Treees -
>the ornaments need to be fireproof.
>
>> I wonder if there's a
>> kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?
>
>
>Dee
>
>
hi Dee,

I'm not sure, but I think Tyvek paper, used for housing insulation might
be ok for fireproof ornaments.  Maybe somebodyelse on the list knows.

Ria





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 15:37
Subject: Re: fireproof paper

Regarding Ria's suggestion that Dee use Tyvek paper, scroll down to #22,
"How Safe Are Products Made of Tyvek?":

http://www.duponttyvek.com/us/protective-apparel/English/products/faqs/

Dorothy





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 15:56
Subject: Re: fireproof paper

----------
>From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: fireproof paper
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 1999, 3:09 PM
>

> At 09:08 AM 12/06/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>If anyone does know of a fireproof paper (or a way to fireproof paper
>>without ruining it) please let me kknow - it has been the major
>>stumbling block to doing a Christmas tree fro our Festival of Treees -
>>the ornaments need to be fireproof.
>>
>>> I wonder if there's a
>>> kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?
>>
>>
>>Dee
>>
>>
> hi Dee,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think Tyvek paper, used for housing insulation might
> be ok for fireproof ornaments.  Maybe somebodyelse on the list knows.
>

Or, if you can't get Tyvek (which I don't find folds well) how about this:
Take a piece of that plastic/cellophane stuff they're selling as "wrapping
paper" these days (shouldn't be too flammable, I think, though it might
melt), and backcoat it (glue it) to a piece of aluminum foil, to help with
holding shape.  It may not be completely fireproof, but I suspect it would
be close...

Kevin Kinney





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:27
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas!!

Rick Beech wrote:
>
> Dear Origami Lovers & Friends Worldwide,
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you. Please keep sharing your
> origami with me, especially in my role as editor - man for the British
> Origami Society: Your
> diagrams are ALWAYS welcome!!
>
> Happy Folding 2000!!
>
> Fondest Wishes,
>
> Rick Beech.
Don't remember if I have written you before, but you are allways welcome
to make use of any of my models off of my web page!

Perry Bailey
304 2nd St. apt. #4
Boone IA 50036
USA
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:32
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas!!

Sorry folks that was supposed to go to Rick not the list serve.

perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:40
Subject: Re: fireproof paper

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:09:22 -0500 John Sutter
<sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> I'm not sure, but I think Tyvek paper, used for housing insulation might
> be ok for fireproof ornaments.

No dice. Tyvek is a polyethylene fiber product- Burns like
there's no tomorrow, and cannot be fire retarded
effectively. You'll have the same problem with mylars and
other plastics.

Foil, however, is inherently flame resistant.

Your best bet is to use your favorite paper and treat it
with a fire retardent, since natural fibers tend to respond
very well to chemical treatment.

There are several products on the market for fire retarding
various substances. Most of them work well on natural
fibers (i.e, paper) but some can discolor or leave a chalky
or oily residue. The ones I'm familiar with are marketed
for the theatrical/display industry- a good place to start
would be

http://www.rosco.com/products/paint/flamex/flamex.html

Happy folding!

Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:48
Subject: Re: cry for help..

This weekend, I was folding a star in gold foil, two hours into it,
when a two year old took my chair (more like demanded I "mooove!" with
intent;
and a "this is very important" serious look in her eyes).
First, she reorganized my paper, then worked on the star,
crunched it into a ball, rolled it,
then reached her arm up to me to give it back,
and said, "it's lucky."
And, moved on to make other lucky balls, with a technique that takes less than
a minute per sheet.
so help? or have I already been helped?
very lucky,
Kelly





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 17:39
Subject: Re: festival of trees was fireproof paper

When my Origami Club decorated a tree for our Festival, we used foil paper.
We had no problems.

Pat Ellis





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 18:36
Subject: dragons, please.

in preparation for the new year, i would like to find a nice dragon model.
preferably a somewhat complex one.  also, i like one square paper, uncut.
i have the two paper model in the Tanteidan 5th convention book, but the
two papers kind of ruin it for me.  not that i have anything against using
two sheets of paper, plus that dragon is a fantastic model, but i just
seem to personally prefer one square.  was that enough flame-avoiding
explanation?

well, while i'm on the topic, i would just like to say that all the arguments
about what is origami are just nonsense - it all boils down to what you get
the most enjoyment out of, which differs from person to person.

when i went to a presentation by Wynton Marsalis, after which he answered
questions, someone asked "well, how would you define jazz?"  he did give
a vague definiton, but before that he responded "well, first you have to
decide whether you WANT to define it."

ok, i don't want to get that kind of thread going again...back to dragons!!!

i see montroll's zodiac book, but it looks to me like the dragon has three
heads - i want a one-head dragon.  i suppose i could cut two off and put them
in a flower pot or something.  but does montroll's book contain a one-head
dragon?

i have seen some on the net, found via Wu's site.  they're ok, but would like
to see more.

so let me know!

-dan





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 06 Dec 1999 19:14
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

In a message dated 12/6/99 3:36:38 PM, dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes:

<< i see montroll's zodiac book, but it looks to me like the dragon has three
heads - i want a one-head dragon.  i suppose i could cut two off and put them
in a flower pot or something.  but does montroll's book contain a one-head
dragon? >>

Dan, relook at Montroll's zodiac book...
there is a neat one head dragon in there, but closer to the beginning.
I like the idea of cutting off two heads and sticking
them in a flower pot, but you don't know what might start growing.
For example, watch "Day of the Triffids," by Steve Sekely, classic
example of how planting can go wrong. Also, what are you doing with
scissors?
Kelly





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 20:09
Subject: Re: maekawa's devil again

> yes, you are right, i apologise  upon reading my letter again i find that
>  it is more accusatory than i intended.  i did, however, ask whether my
>  guess was correct, though, so i really meant to inquire rather than accuse.
>  in any case, thanks for the info.
>  Dan

Don't worry too much about it... No matter how nicely you put it someone
would misinterpret it. My advice is simply to sit back and enjoy the cheery
glow emanating from the reply's... ;) )

Dave-S





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 20:40
Subject: Re: fireproof paper

> If anyone does know of a fireproof paper (or a way to fireproof paper
> without ruining it) please let me kknow - it has been the major
> stumbling block to doing a Christmas tree fro our Festival of Treees -
> the ornaments need to be fireproof.

I recall Martin Carbone (www.papershops.com) posting about a heat resistant
vellum paper.  I have a sample of the paper - it is translucent, somewhat
waxy, thicker than origami paper, and holds a crease well.  I have no idea
exactly how heat-resistant or flameproof it is.

Also, you might look in sewing or craft stores for pressing paper.  It is
used so that you don't have to place a hot iron directly on fabrics
(prevents "pressing shine"), or on stichery, iron-on decorations, etc.  The
package I have is 12.5 sq feet, but I dont have the original price tag.  The
paper is thin, white, shiny on one side, and folds well.  Again, it is
heat-resistant, though not flame resistant.  With a very hot iron, the paper
does turn a little brown.

Janet Hamilton





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 21:00
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

Montroll's book has two dragons besides the tri-head variety - an eastern
and a western version (no legs v's legs).

Most dragons I can recall that possess grace and beauty of form are of the
multi-piece variety, i.e. Kasahara, a few from the ORU Folding Diagrams
books, Stamm, Derudas on the CDO webpage etc.

If you insist on the one-piece dragon, try some of the earlier Tanteidan
Convention books. Yoshizawa has some simple dragons in both Creative
Origami and Living Nature. Anita F. Barbour also has a proud dragon on her
site. Pretty sure there is a few dragons in the Spanish Gomez book, but
now were starting to get into the hard-to-find area.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 22:44
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

Dan Gries inquired:

+in preparation for the new year, i would like to find a nice dragon model.
+preferably a somewhat complex one.  also, i like one square paper, uncut.

Robert Neale's Dragon is one of my favorites. Its not complex, but you
can do a lot with it. You can find diagrams in "The Flapping Bird" and
Jay Ansill's "Mythical Beings" book (check the archives for info on
where to find those books). Another of my favorites is Tom Stamm's
Dragon. You can get the diagrams for that model from OUSA
(http://www.origami-usa.org/) as a single booklet. You can see some
"OK" pictures of this on my origami web pages (http://www.pgh.net/~dwp
- click on Origami link, then click on the dragon link). Marc
Kirschenbaum's Rearing Dragon is a variation on Neale's Dragon and is
also quite nice. Diagrams for that are in Ansill's book as well as on
Joseph's Website, though the one's on Joseph's website are better.
Those are my three favorite dragons. So far. ;-)

-D'gou





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 22:55
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

Dan Gries wrote:
>
> in preparation for the new year, i would like to find a nice dragon model.

Well there are several dragons on my web page and if I can ever get the
diagrams finished I have a fan tailed dragon from a dollar bill I want
to put up.  No don't go looking for the fan tail he isn't through yet
but I will tell the list when I am done with the diagramming and put it
on the site.  Sorry to be so late for this month but the 5th was my
birthday and between that and turkey day I just have had time!

Perry
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 23:26
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

At 12:53 99/12/07 +1100, you wrote:
>Montroll's book has two dragons besides the tri-head variety - an eastern
>and a western version (no legs v's legs).

I believe that you mean "no wings vs wings". There's also a wyvern (wings
and 2 legs instead of 4 legs).

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 06 Dec 1999 23:39
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

I know the request was for challenging, 1-piece dragons, but I can't let
the discussion get away without mention of one in the Biddles' Essential
Origami. It does use 3 squares, but the pose and proportions are wonderful;
if you open out the eyes, it glares at you. 1 head, 2 wings, 4 legs.
Created by a kid.
--Elise





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 00:20
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> I believe that you mean "no wings vs wings". There's also a wyvern (wings
> and 2 legs instead of 4 legs).

2 legs, four legs, no wings, show-ings - this is starting to sound like a
Dr Seuss book. Yes, thankyou the correction Joseph.

regards
Michael





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 02:45
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Janssen-Gibson" <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 6, 1999 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

> Montroll's book has two dragons besides the tri-head variety - an eastern
> and a western version (no legs v's legs).
>

   Actually, to be technical [ with a :) ], Montroll's book has an eastern
dragon (long body, legs, no wings), 3-headed dragon (legs, wings), and the
third is actually a representation of a sea serpent (no legs, wings).
Although, yeah, I guess it's a dragon. I dunno. I kinda thought he (sorry,
can't remember the poor guy's name!) wanted the land/aerial sort...
   I must be bored. It's almost 1AM here, and I'm nitpicking over
technicalities....

                                               Michael





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 02:45
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 6, 1999 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

> I know the request was for challenging, 1-piece dragons, but I can't let
> the discussion get away without mention of one in the Biddles' Essential
> Origami. It does use 3 squares, but the pose and proportions are
wonderful;
> if you open out the eyes, it glares at you. 1 head, 2 wings, 4 legs.
> Created by a kid.
> --Elise

   Uh, I don't suppose the diagrams for it are somewhere on the net, are
they? I'd like to look at that...

Michael





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 04:17
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>in preparation for the new year, i would like to find a nice dragon model.
Make sure to fold your dragon out of the fireproof paper :-).

Matthias





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 07:36
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 5 Dec 1999 to 6 Dec 1999 (#1999-89)

>Date:    Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:19:16 EST
>From:    Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Origami Sighting
>
>N.Y.Sunday Times Magazine, 12/5/99, page 123: In an article titled "Designs
>for the Next Millennium:" Describing  the design of a time capsule, the
>caption (partial) reads: "But its shape evokes a a flower, an origami
>construction, a mandala - all objects that resonate on a more subjective
>level."
>Best from Florence.

I don't have the article at hand, but elsewhere (maybe in the editorial
intro to the whole issue?) a NY Times editor is quoted to the effect that
the shape of the  units of the large metal capsule reminded him of the
cootie-catchers he made as a kid. Certainly my first reaction to the cover
picture of the capsule was "How can I  get the diagrams!"

It's worth looking for the issue and checking out all the photos of the
capsule and the story about its sculptor and its design constraints.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 07:46
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

>>From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
>>
>>third is actually a representation of a sea serpent (no legs, wings).
>>   I must be bored. It's almost 1AM here, and I'm nitpicking over
>>technicalities....
Now I'm nitpicking about your nitpicking: besides the eastern, 3-headed
and sea serpent models, there _is_ a western dragon (four legs and wings)
in MCCZO.
And Dan Gries's original post mentioned he disliked the two-piece
model in the Tanteidan 5 book. I thought all the dragons (actually,
mostly monsters in Japanese movies like Godzilla, Bahamut and Gidhra)
in that book required a single square.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 10:00
Subject: Tyvek paper

Greetings:

Thank you to those who cleared up the question of using
tyvek paper.  One time I did fold cranes from it and I
hung them outside on my tree in the front yard and they
did hold up well in the rain and snow.  So even if tyvek
would be bad for ornaments it may have a use for outside
ornaments.  I should have remembered that foil would have
been the best solution, but I knew more knowlegeable folks
on the list would come through with the solution!

Thanks,
Ria





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 10:25
Subject: Re: [Re: dragons, please.]

>David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>I know the request was for challenging, 1-piece dragons, but I can't let
>the discussion get away without mention of one in the Biddles' Essential
>Origami. It does use 3 squares, but the pose and proportions are >wonderful;
>if you open out the eyes, it glares at you. 1 head, 2 wings, 4 legs.
>Created by a kid.
>--Elise

Is it the dragon you see on the cover of the book?

Anine

____________________________________________________________________
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From: Mike Wareman <mwareman@ADMIN.OLDSCOLLEGE.AB.CA>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 11:00
Subject: help with Tanteidan 5th goat & Bahamut models

Hello:

I have been working on the goat looking animal in the Origami Tanteidan 5th
     Convention book pages 85-94.  This is my third attempt at it.  My first
     point of difficulty was at step 54 and 55.  I sort of ended up just
     mashing the paper into place.  Then I e

I am also have problems with the Bahamut model on pages 141-155.  I am going to
     try using larger paper. I have taped two 11 by 17 inch paper together.  My
     first point of difficulty occurs at step 91.  I do not get a very nice
     looking squash fold.  Same th

Any help with these models would be very much appreciated.  Especially for the
     Bahamut model.  I know of very people who are interested in receiving a
     finished model.  And one that I would be willing to give away.

Merry Christmas and all the best in the new Millennium
Michael,
Charcoal "I play with Origami" the cat,
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From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 11:27
Subject: Re: chess set??

 The text is fun, too. Anybody else think text is an
>important part of an origami book?
>
>--Elise

Sure, of course.  The short comments in Fuse books are charming, and I
enjoy the historical setting in place of models in many of the different
creator anthologies.  And there's no doubt that a few good words can often
make a diagram much easier to follow.

On the other hand, is it just me, or is "tuck" the sucker instruction of
origami?  Lately, I've been running into models where I have to half unfold
and rearrange to complete a tuck nicely.  At least if it says sink, I know
something involved is coming up.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:03
Subject: thanks for the dragons

thanks so much to everyone for the dragon information!  but it's all useless
now, because now i want a suburban mid-western dragon with two heads, five
feet, and three-and-a-half wings.  oh well.  but thanks for all the
suggestions, i will pick out a model or two to fold.  i'll get montroll's
book for sure.  (then i can send my in-laws a model every year!)

and thank-you kelly, i shall use great caution when planting dragon heads.
you never know.  perhaps i should avoid the experiment altogether.

thanks again,

-dan





From: "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@ERC.MSSTATE.EDU>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:15
Subject: Hull's Intersecting Tetrahedra question

Hey All,
I thought I saw a discussion in the past couple of weeks about someone
using dollar bills to construct Tom Hull's Intersecting Tetrahedra.  Was
I hallucinating?  I had already deleted my e-mail and I can't find any
reference to it in the archives.

The question I have about it is: were any modifications to the diagrams
needed since a dollar bill isn't 1x3? Instead it's 1x2.4.
Thanks,
Steve
--

***************************************
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System Administrator
Engineering Research Center
Mississippi State University
Ph: (228) 688-3099
Fax: (228) 688-7100
Email: swpayne@erc.msstate.edu
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From: Alex Barber <barber@ADMIN.CARLBERG.COM>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:34
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

Has anyone mentioned the dragon in Dave Brill's "Brilliant Origami"? The
body has volume to it when the model is complete, which is a nice touch.
The head, as diagrammed, is turned to the side.

Alex Barber

barber@the-village.com | http://www.the-village.com





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:40
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

Michael asked about the dragon in Essential Origami...

>   Uh, I don't suppose the diagrams for it are somewhere on the net, are
>they? I'd like to look at that...

I doubt it, but a nice picture is on the front cover of the book, which I'm
sure you could find in one of the WWW bookstores.
--Elise





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:48
Subject: Re: help with Tanteidan 5th goat & Bahamut models

At 08:46 99/12/07 -0700, you wrote:
>I have been working on the goat looking animal in the Origami Tanteidan 5th
>Convention book pages 85-94.

It's an "ibex".

>This is my third attempt at it.

I admire your determination!

>My first
>point of difficulty was at step 54 and 55.  I sort of ended up just mashing
>the paper into place.  Then I encountered problems at step 70.  Again the
>paper was more mashed into place (read squished, crumpled) than folded.  I
>also have problems doing the swivel move at step 91.

Steps 54 and 55 involve a 3D collapse, as you can see. These steps show the
side view of step 53 (from the left). Pay close attention to which creases
are being manipulated, and remember that the collapse is symmetrical (the
same creases must be collapsed on the opposite side).

In step 70, the shaded square is actually the top view of a pyramid formed
by the spread-squash from step 69. As you push the two sides of the pyramid
together as shown in the diagram, the other two sides should spread outward,
not collapse inward. This will form the flat flap of step 71 that is then
folded down to one side.

Step 91 is a swivel, as you have noted. The paper that is released in this
"un-crimp" is in the middle of the model, underneath the gap on the bottom
left of the diagram.

(As you can probably tell by now, I've got the book finally. Kawahata-san
sent it to me as a gift.)

>I am also have problems with the Bahamut model on pages 141-155.  I am going
>to try using larger paper. I have taped two 11 by 17 inch paper together.

Kamiya-san folds his out of tissue foil.

>My first point of difficulty occurs at step 91.  I do not get a very nice
>looking squash fold.

Squash fold? It looks like an inside reverse fold to me. The squash
(spread-squash) takes place in step 86.

>Same thing with step 123.

For these types of spread squashes, neatness counts. The crisper your folds
up to that point, the easier the squash will be. If at all possible,
partially unfold the model so that you can do some manipulation from the
inside.

>Crimping the tail also
>gives me grief.  I do not get a very clean looking crimp folds.

Because the tail is so thick, crimping will definitely be difficult. If at
all possible, don't precrease the crimps. The precreasing leaves you with
half of your creases going in the wrong direction (valleys instead of
mountains or vice versa). Since the precreases are all for finding position
only (as opposed to producing useable creases, do them all as pinches before
rabbit-earing the tail (in step 137). Once the positioning pinches are in
place, do the rabbit-ear and make the crimps directly. Above all, practice.
Fold up a thick strip of paper and practice making crimps on it. You'll
learn how to handle crimps on thick paper better.

>I am also
>having trouble with the wing sequence.  Especially step 148 to 150.  are the
>wings suppose to lay flat?

Yes, the wings will lie flat. You must adjust the radial pleats in order to
achieve this. Notice that in step 152 (back view), the radial pleats extend
out further than in step 150.

>This is as far as I have been able to get to in
>all three attempts at this model.  The model usually ends up being a
>crumpled mass of paper that the cat enjoys playing with.

At least someone is enjoying the model!

>Any help with these models would be very much appreciated.  Especially for
>the Bahamut model.  I know of very people who are interested in receiving a
>finished model.  And one that I would be willing to give away.

All of my comments are based on my reading of the diagrams only. I have not
tried either of the models you ask about. If I've made any mistakes, I'd
appreciate someone correcting me. I don't think I have, though...8)

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From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:59
Subject: Re: thanks for the dragons

> now, because now i want a suburban mid-western dragon with two heads, five

Is that the one with a Holster and a Ten Gallon hat ? :)





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 13:52
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Alberto Furuti" <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 7, 1999 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: dragons, please.

> Now I'm nitpicking about your nitpicking

   You're right, I forgot it... well, I said I was tired. My brain wasn't
fully functional, Carlos. : )

                                        Michael





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 14:00
Subject: Down Time

Hi All,

   Looks like the move is scheduled for two days from
now. I'm setting this list to nomail until further
notice. My computer is going to be on a boat possibly
until February, so it could be a while before I am
on-line again.

   Hope everyone has a great holiday season!

   Condolences to any who will be out and about for
the faux-millennial madness. :)

John

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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 14:00
Subject: Re: thanks for the dragons

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Gries" <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 7, 1999 9:02 AM
Subject: thanks for the dragons

> thanks so much to everyone for the dragon information!  but it's all
useless
> now, because now i want a suburban mid-western dragon with two heads, five
> feet, and three-and-a-half wings.  oh well.

   ...Now you're gonna have a whole bunch of people feverishly folding and
trying to come up with ideas...where's my sketching pad and paper bundles?

 (then i can send my in-laws a model every year!)

   Have you figured out how to make a dragon that breathes? ;)

                                      Michael





From: Kim Sisk <KSisk24931@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Dec 1999 14:06
Subject: Help with the crane

I'm very new to origami (just started looking at info on the web). I've been
trying to fold the traditional crane and as I have no origami paper yet, I'm
using computer paper cut into squares. I found 2 different sets of
instructions, and things are OK. until the very end where you pull the wings
away and the body inflates...my cranes look like very fat Thanksgiving
turkeys! :) Could it be that the paper I'm using is too thick? Besides real
origami paper, what other papers work well for folding?

Thanks,
Kemara
