




From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 30 Nov 1999 18:25
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

>I buy origami books all the time..and probably have 75 of them...I also surf
>for diagrams  too....I think what I get free on the net is evened out by the
>amount of books I buy every year...
>
>Beth

You took the words right out of my mouth, Beth.  There is just no
substitution for having the feel of a book in your hand.    :)

Now, having said that....

If I could go to all the big conventions and sit one-on-one with creators
and get them to teach me something...which they would probably do *for
free* because it's still mostly about sharing...then I would gladly do so.
For me, these diagrams on the net are the next best thing to being there.

I don't have a problem with marketing a special model or series of models
for a price--I say more power to the creator who is able to pull it off.
For the number of beautiful swans that I've made from Pat Crawford's design
and sent 'round the world, she should be getting royalty checks!  The trick
is in knowing what price the market will bear...and in recognizing that the
Internet is now making certain models and creators very well known--like
the Magic Rose Cube or the Maekawa Devil.

Rob





From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 30 Nov 1999 19:31
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

Does this mean that by names becoming known on the 'net that we can look for
     books from
some nifty creators?

Whether it is free or not is a moot point.  If I find a diagram, I try and
     E-mail a thank you.
(Obviously Mr. Wu, I have yet to do more than give a cursory glance to your
     pages.)  Due to
lack of time being able to surf the net, I find that buying a book is much
     easier, and it too, is a
form of a thank you.

That said, I write fantasy, as in dragon and elves and things. I have my stuff
     on the web.
Creating in a different way, but my drivel is still up for the world to see for
     free.  If I were to
get paid so much the better, and if the creators can get paid on the diagrams,
     then good for
them.  Lord knows I have shadeless plugged my stuff, and if that is what it
     takes, then good
for them.  A good diagram, to me is worth the cost, be it video, book form, or
     finding them
on the Internet.

Elaina Quackenbush

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 02:45
Subject: Re: ....It's in my recent book

Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> sez

>I think Dave Mitchell already has a plane that doesn't fly on his site...

D**n - I thought mine was an original....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 03:33
Subject: CD-I

Hi folders,

I bought an Origami CD-I by Haeseleer and Krooshoop on e-bay.
Now I am very sad, because I can't look at it. Do you have any idea, if
there is any free shareware on net, which can play CD-I's?

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 05:54
Subject: Re: ....It's in my recent book

Joseph Wu wrote

>I think Dave Mitchell already has a plane that doesn't fly on his site...

Or anywhere else either.

For those interested the diagrams are on Oliver Zachary's Conceptual Origami
page at www.mizushobai.freeserve.co.uk

Dave Mitchell

An alien from far beyond Saturn
Said 'What's all this fuss about pattern?
>From this kind of height
There's no better sight
Than a close-up of downtown Manhattan.'

 (A limerick by Oliver Zachary.)





From: Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 10:46
Subject: music??

Hello Folders,

Is there anyone out there who knows anything about folding a variety of
persons playing different instruments like a guitar player, a harmonica
player, bass player, piano player, maybe even a drummer, and a singer.
         Also, what about folding instruments by
    themselves?

    Well this is all I have for now.
       Thankyou
        BluezCat





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 11:10
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

Just my 2 cents---

Diagramming in itself is worth paying for!  Anyone who has ever done a
computer-based diagram realizes what a tedious, anal-retentive and
time-consuming job it is.   And when you find out your bird base angles are
wrong from step 1 to step 50........

Rob





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 12:16
Subject: Re: music??

Many years ago I once saw a display of a chamber music quartette (or
quintette) - I believe it was by Yoshihide Momotani (if the style is
anything to go by - if there was a card it was in Japanese), but never came
across diagrams for it.
Robert Lang's "Complete Origami" has a violonist, cellist and pianist
(action models!)
There's also a pianist, a director, and maybe a couple more musicians on
the CDO website that you can download (look up the back "models of the
month"): http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/
And there's a neat pop band on Marc Kirschenbaum's origami page, but I
didn't check whether there are diagrams for it:
http://marckrsh.home.pipeline.com/

Hoping this helps,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 12:28
Subject: Re: music??

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 1, 1999 7:34 AM
Subject: music??

> Is there anyone out there who knows anything about folding a variety of
> persons playing different instruments like a guitar player, a harmonica
> player, bass player, piano player, maybe even a drummer, and a singer.

Check out "The Complete Book of Origami" by Robert J. Lang -- it's got folds
for a violinist, cellist, and even a pianist. They're action folds, too. If
you look around, there's lots of folds of musicians out there. Neal Elias
has a several, and I know there's a lot more; just can't think until I get
another coffee or two into my head...;)

>          Also, what about folding instruments by
>     themselves?

This, I'm not too sure of, off the top of my head. Can't recall seeing any
that stick in my mind....
   Good luck though; be sure to mention any you find!

                                            Michael





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 12:42
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hudson" <FashFold@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: December 1, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

> Just my 2 cents---
>
> Diagramming in itself is worth paying for!  Anyone who has ever done a
> computer-based diagram realizes what a tedious, anal-retentive and
> time-consuming job it is.   And when you find out your bird base angles
are
> wrong from step 1 to step 50........
>
> Rob

   I dunno. It may be a long, tedious, and sometimes frustrating process,
but there's the satisfaction quotient as well at the end, and of having a
neat copy for your own records as well.
   Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with receiving renumeration for
your work when you publish it in a book or monograph, or even giving
lessons. When I lived in Ontario, I used to periodically be paid to go into
public schools to conduct sessions on origami to grade 2-6 classes (this was
when there was a phase when field trips were rare; bringing people in to
talk and share with the students was much more popular). I love children,
but believe me, while the costs were low (although the planning was time
consuming), after an afternoon with twenty or so seven-and-eight year olds
the amount the school boards paid seemed insignificant. :)
   But, I still think the Sharing aspect is a big thing. Most people are
proud of their acheivements, and sharing is a way of spreading the pleasure
one gets from a job well (and finally!) done. Besides, without sharing, you
don't get interaction and new ideas.
   Hmmm. I think I got carried away. Hey, you can blame Ronald Koh -- he
told me I should stop lurking and post a bit, so here I am! ;)

                                     Michael





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Dec 1999 13:39
Subject: Re: ....It's in my recent book

I'm enjoying Oliver Zachary's
no-fold origami.
I like the eclipse very much!

The square already does look pretty good just the way it is.
Thinking about it this morning,
a whole bunch of colored squares looks a lot like a broken
rainbow that fell down.

Thanks to Dave Mitchell, Oliver Zachary is interesting and funny!

Happy unfolding,
Kelly Dunn





From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@EIEE.UNIVALLE.EDU.CO>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 14:12
Subject: Re: music??

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Hill" <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
> To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: December 1, 1999 7:34 AM
> Subject: music??
>
> > Is there anyone out there who knows anything about folding a variety of
> > persons playing different instruments like a guitar player, a harmonica
> > player, bass player, piano player, maybe even a drummer, and a singer.
>

You can see an Organist by Robert Lang in the Origami USA Annual
Collection 99.

     Jos Tomas Buitrago Molina M.Sc.
     buitrago@eiee.univalle.edu.co
     http://eiee.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago

     "Origami y Robtica"





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 14:44
Subject: Re: sharing origami (was rose cube)

Nick Robinson schrieb:
> you weren't so young I'd fly over to wherever it is you live & give you
> a sound thrashing ;)
Don't stop yourself. I'm older than you think I am, but I'm young enough
to return the favour :-).

> >Instead, he puts them in books which cost
> >money.
> Along with some of your work Matt - I presume you still want your free
> copy?
So you admit that you put origami models in books that cost money. And
you call it sharing. But if Valerie Vann or Michel LaFosse put them on
vidoe that cost money, it's not sharing? Maybe I'm just too stupid to
understand the subtle differences here.

And of course I want my free copy; it's my share of the 'sharing' :-).

Matthias
S





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 18:07
Subject: Re: sharing origami / New dinosaur diagrams

I've added a couple of new dinosaurs to my web site, an intermediate
procompsognathus (my third one to date...) and a high intermediate
compsognathus. Diagrams as usual. Have a look at the 'Whats new' section of
the site for the link...Im updating all of my pages, so theyre not on the
old dinosaur page, which will be scrapped soon.

Of course, these are free and I wish to share all of them with you. In that
they are share-ware, and if you find yourself folding them often, them
please send me lots of money (preferably unfolded please).

Stephen

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 19:12
Subject: Re: Why I prefer Paper to Video (Formerly cube rose)

>> I bought an Origami CD-I by Haeseleer and Krooshoop on e-bay.
>> Now I am very sad, because I can't look at it.
-> Try an emulator site such as www.davesclassics.com

Now  in a few years time VCR's as we know them will be completely obsolete
due to DVD developments. Whilst my nice paper books will last forever a
Michael la Fosse video will be unplayable...

Also Video tapes wear out fantastically fast, play them only a few times even
on the best video and you can see the quality of the tape/image degrade
before your eyes. Now my nice origami tomes never wear out ... (with the
exception of one or two of my books with dubious binding)

Dave-S has returned...





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 20:08
Subject: Re: music??

If you check the archives, there was a thread on this very subject that
yeilded some nifty responses back in September, I believe it was...

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho

=================================

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 7:34 AM
Subject: music??

> Hello Folders,
>
> Is there anyone out there who knows anything about folding a variety of
> persons playing different instruments like a guitar player, a harmonica
> player, bass player, piano player, maybe even a drummer, and a singer.
>          Also, what about folding instruments by
>     themselves?
>
>     Well this is all I have for now.
>        Thankyou
>         BluezCat





From: Sam Kendig <neuro_mancer42@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 20:44
Subject: Re: Music??

> From:    Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
>
> Hello Folders,
>
> Is there anyone out there who knows anything about folding a variety
> of
> persons playing different instruments like a guitar player, a
> harmonica
> player, bass player, piano player, maybe even a drummer, and a
> singer.
>          Also, what about folding instruments by
>     themselves?
>

Well, I think I'll have to put in the obligatory bad pun,so:

What about the accordion fold?

<groan> Ok, let the tomatoes fly. <ducks a quick toss> Other than that,
I think people have mentioned most of the ones that come to mind. The
conducter from the CDO site is also in an old OUSA convention book, but
probably easier to grab it off the net. I've seen Marc's Violinist from
the most recent OUSA annual, but haven't had the chance to fold it.

Theres a relatively simple model of a violin on the BARF site
{http://www.krmusic.com/violin.htm}. There's a picture of a rather
impressive drummer behind a drum set on Joseph Wu's site
{http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Gallery/Japan/drummer.html}, but
alas no diagrams.

Still dodging rotten vegetables,
Sam
Neuro_Mancer42@yahoo.com

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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 01 Dec 1999 22:02
Subject: Re: sharing origami / New dinosaur diagrams

> I've added a couple of new dinosaurs to my web site

> Of course, these are free and I wish to share all of them with you. In
that
> they are share-ware, and if you find yourself folding them often, them
> please send me lots of money (preferably unfolded please).
>
> Stephen

   Do you accept cut up credit card pieces? Unfolded, just...you
know...dismembered. ;)

                               Michael





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 07:33
Subject: Modular Units for Business Cards?

I've ended up with about 200 business cards on good cardstock.  I hate to
toss them out if there are one or two nice modular units I can create from
them.  Maybe something like a wreath.  Any websites where I can find
something like this?
------------------------------------------------------------<*>---
kettir at         | To conquer others is to wield power.
geocities dot com | To conquer yourself is to know the way.





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 07:56
Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?

 Valerie Vann has a nice site on business card
modules at:

http://www.users.aol.com/polygons/bcards/bcards1.html

          Marion  Riley





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 08:04
Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?

Julie Rhodes schrieb:
>
> I've ended up with about 200 business cards on good cardstock.  I hate to
> toss them out if there are one or two nice modular units I can create from
> them.  Maybe something like a wreath.  Any websites where I can find
> something like this?

Valerie Vann (yes, the one that's NOT sharing her origami, according to
some people) has a diagram of a 12 biz card open face cube at
http://users.aol.com/polygons/bcards/12cube.html .

And she has other instructions too, e.g. for the ABC Business Card
Platonic Dodecahedron:
http://members.aol.com/polygons/bcards/abcdodec.htm

Matthias





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 08:06
Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?

sorry should have been;
http://users.aol.com/polygons/bcards/bcards1.html





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 08:14
Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?

...something wrong with the URL? can't get through.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 08:25
Subject: Re: ....It's in my recent book

Kelly Dunn wrote:

> a whole bunch of colored squares looks a lot like a broken
> rainbow that fell down.

Intriguing thought ... kind of like lots of square pixels really.

Also made me remember that a rainbow is made of folded light ....

Orilumi?

BTW glad you like Oliver's stuff ...  more to come when I can find the time
to diagram it.

Dave Mitchell





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 10:11
Subject: Re: buying origami books VS free diagrams

Michael Antonette wrote:
>
> Hmmm. I think I got carried away. Hey, you can blame Ronald Koh -- he
> told me I should stop lurking and post a bit, so here I am! ;)
>
And good for you too! At least I will have a little company next year
when the Americans and other Thanksgiving celebrants on this list go
turkey gobbling - followed by another week torturing themselves with
leftovers. Try chicken rice, people - it's a lot less hassle. :o).





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 02 Dec 1999 10:11
Subject: Re: Music??

Would you  by any chance be the Chris Hill that came from Freehold, N. J. and
lived across the street from the high school?  Dorigami





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 10:11
Subject: Re: sharing origami (was rose cube)

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> Nick Robinson schrieb:
> > you weren't so young I'd fly over to wherever it is you live & give you
> > a sound thrashing ;)
> Don't stop yourself. I'm older than you think I am, but I'm young enough
> to return the favour :-).

Are you two 'free'-dom fighting old geezers about to start an
international incident? :o)





From: Chris Hill <BluezCat@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 10:46
Subject: Re: Music??

Sorry man, I never been to NJ. I live out here on the West Coast (
Stockton, Ca.) There are      Chris Hill's everywhere. lol  Hell there
were 4      people with my last name and first name when I was in San
Diego, Ca. in the military a long time ago.  Later and if you find any
origami music let me know partner Thanks BluezCat!!!!





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 02 Dec 1999 14:02
Subject: Latest JOAS Membership and New Book Orders

Dear all,

Here is the list of people who have ordered JOAS Membership and/or Tanteidan
Convention Book #5 or Yamaguchi's "Joyful Life with Origami":

Holly Yang
Joyce Saler
Cindy Walker
Srinand Venkatesan
Lonnie Riley

This will act as confirmation that I have received your money and your orders
will be sent to Mr. Yamaguchi in Tokyo today.  You should be receiving your
books and/or magazines in 3-4 weeks.

One other news bit:  Several people have inquired about ordering back issues
of Tanteidan's magazine.  Unfortunately, Mr. Yamaguchi has informed me that
there are very few copies left and he would prefer that I not accept any
orders for them as he cannot guarantee their availability by the time he
receives your money.

Therefore, if you are considering placing an order for either Tanteidan's 5th
Convention book or becoming a JOAS member to receive their new magazine, I
would suggest that you do so soon.  Their popularity will not guarantee a
copy for you at a later date, as many have learned.

Please contact me privately for more information about orders.

Yours,

June Sakamoto





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 14:21
Subject: Re: sharing origami (was rose cube)

Hi creative folders,

these days I had to send an SOS to a special friend, because I got stuck on
a particular diagram.
I think "SOS" only fits on wetfolding, if at all.

Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 16:11
Subject: Re: sharing origami (was rose cube)

Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez

>So you admit that you put origami models in books that cost money. And
>you call it sharing.

I didn't say that, but I don't disagree with it. If someone asks me for
permission to publish one of my designs, I grant it freely. The fact
that they know the model in the first place implies that it's been given
away in the past...

>But if Valerie Vann or Michel LaFosse put them on
>vidoe that cost money, it's not sharing? Maybe I'm just too stupid to
>understand the subtle differences here.

<bite tongue>I refer you back to my original posting, which only
commented on the lack of available diagrams for the Rosecube. I haven't
accused either of the people you mention of not sharing their work.
Indeed, I have a beautiful frog on my shelf which Micheal kindly errr..
shared with me some years ago. If the video is available in a Brit-
friendly format, no doubt I'll buy it!

My point was that if diagrams are routinely *withheld* for commercial
reasons, it would be a shame. 99% of diagrams published in books are
generally available free from the creators, if asked nicely.

Nick "the pacifist" Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 17:54
Subject: Re: business cards

>
>Date:    Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:55:12 -0500
>From:    Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
>Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?
>
> Valerie Vann has a nice site on business card
>modules at:
>
>http://www.users.aol.com/polygons/bcards/bcards1.html
>
>          Marion  Riley
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:03:15 +0100
>From:    Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
>Subject: Re: Modular Units for Business Cards?
>
>Julie Rhodes schrieb:
>>
>> I've ended up with about 200 business cards on good cardstock.  I hate to
>> toss them out if there are one or two nice modular units I can create from
>> them.  Maybe something like a wreath.  Any websites where I can find
>> something like this?
>
>Valerie Vann (yes, the one that's NOT sharing her origami, according to
>some people) has a diagram of a 12 biz card open face cube at
>http://users.aol.com/polygons/bcards/12cube.html .
>
>And she has other instructions too, e.g. for the ABC Business Card
>Platonic Dodecahedron:
>http://members.aol.com/polygons/bcards/abcdodec.htm





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 18:24
Subject: Origami Sighting

I was going through Word from Office 97, and in the clip-art section
"animals", there are several origami figures!
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geocities dot com | To conquer yourself is to know the way.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 19:27
Subject: Re: Why I prefer Paper to Video (Formerly cube rose)

It is worse where I am. With the level of humidity in Singapore,
video tapes get infested with fungus in no time at all. Give me a book
any time, too.

Dave Stephenson wrote:

 > Also Video tapes wear out fantastically fast, play them only a few
times even
> on the best video and you can see the quality of the tape/image degrade
> before your eyes.





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 20:38
Subject: Fwd: need a diagram

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From: EllisPS@aol.com
Subject: need a diagram
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Greeting of the Season one and all.

I have been asked by a teacher of German to help her with a community service
project.  She would like to have our middle school origami club fold an
ornament of the season which would have ties to German heritage.  I know of
many ornaments but none specifically German.  Can any one help with name of a
model and diagrams.

Thanks,

Pat (quoteless) Ellis

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From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 20:55
Subject: Re: Fwd: need a diagram

At 08:36 PM 12/02/1999 EST, you wrote:
>
>Return-path: EllisPS@aol.com
>From: EllisPS@aol.com
>Full-name: Ellis P S
>Message-ID: <0.3b41abf0.2578684d@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:26:53 EST
>Subject: need a diagram
>To: origami@mitvma.edu
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>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45
>
>Greeting of the Season one and all.
>
>I have been asked by a teacher of German to help her with a community service
>project.  She would like to have our middle school origami club fold an
>ornament of the season which would have ties to German heritage.  I know of
>many ornaments but none specifically German.  Can any one help with name of a
>model and diagrams.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pat (quoteless) Ellis
>
Hi Pat,

How about that Moravian star that is made from folding and weaving strips?
You can make the 4 14" strips yourself or get them from fascinating folds
in kit form with the diagrams.

Ria





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 02 Dec 1999 22:14
Subject: NY origami Christmas tree

Is a photo of that fabulous tree drifting somewhere in cyberspace? Perhaps
someone who knows can post the WWW coordinates!
--Elise





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 01:46
Subject: Why I Like Books And Videos

In spite of the fickle finger of fungus and the "fantastically fast"
degradation of videotapes that are lamented by Ronald Koh and Dave
Stephenson, I would like to say a good word on behalf of origami video
tapes.

To focus entirely upon the paucity of models in videos as compared with
books is to overlook the reason for these videotapes.  Unlike the
experience of reading diagrams, viewing an origami videotape is the
equivalent of attending a master class with an artist, where you are
presented with a hands-on visual demonstration of the folding of one or
more models.  The benefits of a videotaped demonstration are absolutely
unique and supplement - and in some cases even surpass - published
diagrams (deg farrally's video of Dave Shall's Statue of Liberty).  I
concur with our nautical folder, Terry Rioux, that it would be
beneficial to include diagrams with videos.

I have not found degradation of videotapes to be a significant enough
problem to advise against their purchase.  As for those pesky fungi,
would the inclusion of a packaged adsorbent with the videotape (similar
to those in vitamin bottles) help reduce mold, Ronald?

Dorothy





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 02:01
Subject: Re: sharing origami (was rose cube)

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez
>My point was that if diagrams are routinely *withheld* for commercial
>reasons, it would be a shame.
Ah yes, that would be a shame indeed. But fortunately, the risk of this
happening is really very, very small. And if someone really wants to learn a
specific model, there are many ways to obtain instructions.

>Nick "the pacifist" Robinson
And I was just getting my battle gear ready...

Matthias





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 02:16
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

I did not mean to leave the impression that there are published diagrams
for Dave Shall's Statue of Liberty. As far as I know, no diagrams have
been published.  But the videotape is currently available from deg
farrally, who is on the list.

Dorothy





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 08:41
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

> To focus entirely upon the paucity of models in videos as compared with
> books is to overlook the reason for these videotapes.  Unlike the
> experience of reading diagrams, viewing an origami videotape is the
> equivalent of attending a master class with an artist, where you are
> presented with a hands-on visual demonstration of the folding of one or
> more models.  The benefits of a videotaped demonstration are absolutely
> unique and supplement - and in some cases even surpass - published
> diagrams (deg farrally's video of Dave Shall's Statue of Liberty).  I
> concur with our nautical folder, Terry Rioux, that it would be
> beneficial to include diagrams with videos.

Dorothy makes a good point about videos being a way of showing the "in
motion" aspect of folding.  But I am pretty much in the "print preferred"
camp, for the reasons already mentioned (portability, durability), as well
as a couple others.

(Caveat:  I am basing this on other "how to" type videos, not any of the
ones under discussion)

First, I'm cheap- books have many models diagrammed in them, videos, it
seems, have relatively few (sensible, since if it takes an hour to fold a
complex model, that's half a good-quality tape right there), the
cost/benefit ration of tapes is substantially lower than books.

Second, the "in motion" aspect isn't all that useful to me.  If I miss
something, I have to rewind and hope I catch it.  Often, it's several cycles
before I can actually catch something.  Even if your VCR has frame-by-frame,
the clarity is often lacking.  With diagrams, I can go exactly at my own
speed.

That said, I'd like to fly a kite for a third medium, that's I am starting
to like a lot:  instructional CD-ROM.  A friend of mine did one on balloon
twistng that's great, and I have another on origami that's wonderful also.
With this, you have near-infinite durability, lower portability than a book,
and the chance to *combine* video and diagrams, and have them side-by-side.
Good vidcaptures can also be stopped more easily and clearly (at least in
these cases) than videotape.  Personally, I think this is better than a
tape, though I'll still take a book-since it goes anywhere, and needs no
power supply.  But I'm planning on ordering a couple of the CD-ROMs to use
for my class this winter.

Kevin Kinney





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 08:58
Subject: Re: Fwd: need a diagram

German models? What sorts of things would you classify as German? I know how
to fold a simple Swastika, but that would probably go down like a lead
balloon...

Yours reinforcing-British-stereotypedly,

Stephen

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From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 09:10
Subject: Origami sighting

In this months edition of 'Viz', there is a spoof advert for 'Tony Hart's
Origami for Football Hooligans' which rather tickled my fancy.

Stephen

PS : For Americans-

Viz - An adult comic, a bit like 'MAD', but far naughtier in language

Tony Hart - A childrens TV presenter, who specialised in various Art topics
and also wearing tight trousers

Football - A game played by kicking a round ball with your feet, called
'soccer' by some degenarate nations. Not to be confused with 'American
Football' which has very little to do with feet.

Football Hooligans - Millwall FC and West Ham supporters.

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From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 09:15
Subject: Origami sighting

>In this months edition of 'Viz', there is a spoof advert for 'Tony Hart's
>Origami for Football Hooligans' which rather tickled my fancy.
>[...]
>PS : For Americans-

And once we're translating:

Advert:  advertisement





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 10:11
Subject: Re: FWD: need a diagram

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>German models? What sorts of things would you classify as German? I know how
>to fold a simple Swastika, but that would probably go down like a lead
>balloon..

The German sheperd dog bust would be very German, but I don't think there are
any diagrams for it.

Matthias





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 10:17
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

Dorothy Engleman wrote:
>
> To focus entirely upon the paucity of models in videos as compared with
> books is to overlook the reason for these videotapes.  Unlike the
> experience of reading diagrams, viewing an origami videotape is the
> equivalent of attending a master class with an artist, where you are
> presented with a hands-on visual demonstration of the folding of one or
> more models.  The benefits of a videotaped demonstration are absolutely
> unique and supplement - and in some cases even surpass - published
> diagrams

I have to agree with you entirely on these points. It's just that, given
the climatic conditions I live in, keeping video tapes in serviceable
condition over a period of time is a major headache - and an expensive
one at that. I will have no qualms if the the videos were available in
the form of VCDs, DVDs or any other medium which is more durable.
>
> I have not found degradation of videotapes to be a significant enough
> problem to advise against their purchase.

You should be thankful - you probably have less humid conditions where
you are!

As for those pesky fungi, would the inclusion of a packaged adsorbent
with the videotape (similar
> to those in vitamin bottles) help reduce mold, Ronald?

I have tried storage with silica gel, with limited success. I have had
better success storing video tapes in dehumidifier cabinets, but that
again cost $$$$.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 10:28
Subject: Re: FWD: need a diagram

One of my folding buddies in Singapore, Leong Cheng Chit, folded a 3D
bust of a German shepherd. I believe Cheng Chit was supposed to get some
help from a certain (ahem) British 'free'-dom fighter Mathias was
feuding with recently, to get it diagrammed.  :o).

Cheng Chit has been folding for less than a year, and has already
created several 3D models of his own.

Eric Anderson, if you are reading this, where are we as far as photos
go?

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> >===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
> >German models? What sorts of things would you classify as German? I know how
> >to fold a simple Swastika, but that would probably go down like a lead
> >balloon..
>
> The German sheperd dog bust would be very German, but I don't think there are
> any diagrams for it.
>
> Matthias





From: Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 12:04
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

> As for those pesky fungi,
> would the inclusion of a packaged adsorbent with the videotape (similar
> to those in vitamin bottles) help reduce mold, Ronald?

Or an industrial strength dehumidifier?

Dee





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 12:58
Subject: cry for help..

Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE> sez

>Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?

Pleats help me?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 13:04
Subject: Re: PCOC

Does anyone have the dates for the PCOC convention in San Francisco in March





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 13:06
Subject: Re: cry for help..

In a message dated 12/3/99 11:58:23 AM Central Standard Time,
nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

<< Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE> sez

 >Any ideas, how to send a funny cry for help?

 Pleats help me?

 all the best,

 Nick  >>

I'm BLINTZED and in a crimp.... swivel me to safety?

Russell

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!





From: Sarah Wooden <sarah@FREDART.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 14:04
Subject: Re: Fwd: need a diagram

I was an exchange to Germany for a year (that is now many years ago...) but
I recall that one German tradition was the 'pickle' ornament that is hidden
in the tree and whoever spots it gets an extra gift. Anyone know of a pickle
model?

 I also thought that the tradition of bringing evergreen trees into homes
and decorating them was started in Germany. Yes, this free association thing
is working - they decorated the trees with lit candles. Even with the advent
(pardon the Christmas pun) of electricity - my family still carried out the
tradition in the 1980's.  There is a candle diagram out there but I am 800
miles from my collection of books at this time. It is in a Kenneway book
'Paperfolding for fun' (I think)it is 3D with a flame on top. Yoshide
Momotani - I believe created it.  If anyone can correct my failing memory...
Was there another candle diagram in David Brill's 'Brilliant Origami'? or a
'Happy Origami' by Toshie Takahama.

Didn't Origami Omnibus by Kasahara have a small section devoted to models by
Friedrich Froebel - the German founder of Kindergarten - a church and houses
and trees and such.

Sarah 'Auf Wiederschreiben' Wooden

At 08:36 PM 12/2/99 EST, you wrote:
>
>Return-path: EllisPS@aol.com
>From: EllisPS@aol.com
>Full-name: Ellis P S
>Message-ID: <0.3b41abf0.2578684d@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:26:53 EST
>Subject: need a diagram
>To: origami@mitvma.edu
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45
>
>Greeting of the Season one and all.
>
>I have been asked by a teacher of German to help her with a community service
>project.  She would like to have our middle school origami club fold an
>ornament of the season which would have ties to German heritage.  I know of
>many ornaments but none specifically German.  Can any one help with name of a
>model and diagrams.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pat (quoteless) Ellis





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 15:58
Subject: maekawa's devil again

hello,

well, i have returned from japan.  had a wonderful time.  the only origami-
related thing i managed to do was to visit origami house.  i was expecting
something bigger!  but mainly, i wanted to buy books and paper, and that's
the place for it.  (i also bought paper in a couple other places.)

at the book shelf, they had a pile of issues of their magazine, and lo and
behold, maekawa's demon was on the cover of the current one, with diagrams
within.  needless to say, i wept for joy, and required an entire pack of
tissues that were handed to me as i got off a train somewhere.  so along
with my other 66 dollars worth of stuff, i brought it to be rung up, and i
was informed, via my translating fiancee, that i couldn't buy them unless
i bought a membership.  i had explained before that i didn't feel like doing
that, as i would be unable to read the newsletters or magazines, unless my
fiancee/wife translated for me, which is not a really nice thing to ask of
someone who is not also an enthusiast.  but that was the bottom line.

now i'm beginning to think that i was lied to, that, in fact, those issues
were for sale individually.  why else would they be stacked up by the
bookshelf, with (if i remember correctly) a price printed on the cover?
so i think that membership thing was a bunch of hooey.

can anyone tell me if that was correct?

anyway, i did buy a couple books - tanteidan 5th...uh...compilation thingy,
and also ORU quarterly thingy, volume 2.  sorry, i don't have them here.
i also inquired about a kawahata book, which i learned is no longer in
print.  so this, together with the maekawa demon experience, left me feeling
distraught and devastated, and required some more freebie packs of tissues.

i folded models for everyone in the family - they were all quite amazed.
in japan most people know the crane, but that's about as a far as it goes.
add in my love for japanese food, and they were starting to think i was
japanese, despite being a 6'1" white guy who kept hitting his head in their
houses.

ok, i think that was quite enough for you all to read!

-dan





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 16:23
Subject: Re: Lady Liberty

If anyone decides to diagram this lovely lady...please  please post it....I
have wanted to try her for a long time

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
New York Does Not Need Hillary Clinton





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 18:25
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

Another thing that might work could be to store the
videotapes in a closed container with cedar wood.
Cedar oil puts out fumes that are toxic to mammals. It
can even kill small pets if used as bedding. Maybe the
fungi would also be deterred by this.

John

--- Lynch Family <deenbob@ECENTRAL.COM> wrote:
> > As for those pesky fungi,
> > would the inclusion of a packaged adsorbent with
> the videotape (similar
> > to those in vitamin bottles) help reduce mold,
> Ronald?
>
> Or an industrial strength dehumidifier?
>
> Dee
>

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 18:57
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

John Hancock wrote:
>
> Another thing that might work could be to store the
> videotapes in a closed container with cedar wood.
> Cedar oil puts out fumes that are toxic to mammals. It
> can even kill small pets if used as bedding. Maybe the
> fungi would also be deterred by this.
>
Now where would I be able to find cedar wood in South East Asia? :o)
Thanks for the thought, though.

>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All in one place.
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From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 19:09
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

Remind me in a few months, after my wife and I have
recovered from the expense of our upcoming relocation,
and maybe I will mail you some. I wonder what the
postal inspectors would make of a bag of wood chips?
:)

John

--- Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG> wrote:
> John Hancock wrote:
> >
> > Another thing that might work could be to store
> the
> > videotapes in a closed container with cedar wood.
> > Cedar oil puts out fumes that are toxic to
> mammals. It
> > can even kill small pets if used as bedding. Maybe
> the
> > fungi would also be deterred by this.
> >
> Now where would I be able to find cedar wood in
> South East Asia? :o)
> Thanks for the thought, though.
>
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All
> in one place.
> > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
>

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 19:47
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

John Hancock wrote:
>
> Remind me in a few months, after my wife and I have
> recovered from the expense of our upcoming relocation,
> and maybe I will mail you some. I wonder what the
> postal inspectors would make of a bag of wood chips?
> :)

No problem at this end. Our postal inspectors are quite used to my
idiosyncracies - we work in the same company!
>
> > Now where would I be able to find cedar wood in
> > South East Asia? :o)
> > Thanks for the thought, though.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All
> > in one place.
> > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
> >
>
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From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 20:42
Subject: degradation

I am shocked to read about the degradation of videotapes on this list.  My
impression has been that most of the members are wholesome, well-adjusted
people.  I for one treat my videotapes with respect and dignity and get the
same in return.
James





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 03 Dec 1999 20:42
Subject: Re: Why I Like Books And Videos

In a message dated 12/3/1999 1:46:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET writes:

> I have not found degradation of videotapes to be a significant enough
>  problem to advise against their purchase.  As for those pesky fungi,
>  would the inclusion of a packaged adsorbent with the videotape (similar
>  to those in vitamin bottles) help reduce mold, Ronald?

Aloha Dorothy,

I don't think silica gel would be economical, and it probably wouldn't
work unless Ronald Koh could afford to store his videotapes in
air-tight containers.

He's in the real tropics, high humidity, high temperature, lots of light,
incredible biological diversity. Not surprising that fungus eats videos.
'm surprised he isn't reporting problems with mildew and such
attacking his books. Or maybe he just hasn't got around to
mentioning that yet.

He may have to wait for either origami video laserdiscs or the newer
media, DVDs.

By the way, I bought a set of the first four Michael LaFosse videotapes,
in spite of the cost, and they are very well done. I especially liked the
butterfly tape.

I've run into quite a lot of people who really can't "read" origami diagrams,
and I think the videos may be easier for them.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 21:29
Subject: Spaced out!

What say we take a break from arguing about origami videos and watch
some cartoons.

http://www.hotwired.com/animation/collection/edgar_beals/bogum1/
http://www.hotwired.com/animation/collection/edgar_beals/bogum2/
http://www.hotwired.com/animation/collection/edgar_beals/bogum3/
http://www.hotwired.com/animation/collection/edgar_beals/bogum4/

Actual I offer these on the slim pretext that episode 3 contains some
origami.

You also need Macromedia Flash, but your on your own there.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 22:24
Subject: Re: PCOC

>Does anyone have the dates for the PCOC convention in San Francisco in March
>2000?

The BARF newsletter says that PCOC is March 18-19.  OUSA's website notes
that their next convention is June 23-25.

I didn't find contact addresses for either in my quick search.  More
details, anyone else?

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 23:07
Subject: OUSA lending library

     I have just joined OUSA and I am a little confused with the lending
library process.  What do I send in to receive my?  It mentions a
registration card but I'm not sure what they mean.  Is there any limit to
the number of books that I can borrow?  I am wondering whether or not to
order a convention annual and also more importantly what year I should
order.  Are there a lot of good complex models in these books?  One more
thing I have noticed that there are not a whole lot of models in The Paper
and the ones in there are lacking in quality in my opinion.  May be this is
just this particular issue but I was wondering how I would send diagrams of
one of my models to them and if there is any chance it could get in the
magazine.

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From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 04 Dec 1999 00:25
Subject: Re: PCOC

Rob, am I crazy or something or has my mail not been reaching you.  I am
still waiting for the 3 pigs which you promised to send me.    What has
happened to them?  How come I haven't heard from you?  You mad at me or
something?   Dorigami





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 04 Dec 1999 00:25
Subject: Re: maekawa's devil again

In a message dated 12/3/99 3:58:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes:

<< well, i have returned from japan.  had a wonderful time.  the only origami-
 related thing i managed to do was to visit origami house.  i was expecting
 something bigger!  but mainly, i wanted to buy books and paper, and that's
 the place for it.  (i also bought paper in a couple other places.)

 at the book shelf, they had a pile of issues of their magazine, and lo and
 behold, maekawa's demon was on the cover of the current one, with diagrams
 within.  needless to say, i wept for joy, and required an entire pack of
 tissues that were handed to me as i got off a train somewhere.  so along
 with my other 66 dollars worth of stuff, i brought it to be rung up, and i
 was informed, via my translating fiancee, that i couldn't buy them unless
 i bought a membership.  i had explained before that i didn't feel like doing
 that, as i would be unable to read the newsletters or magazines, unless my
 fiancee/wife translated for me, which is not a really nice thing to ask of
 someone who is not also an enthusiast.  but that was the bottom line.

 now i'm beginning to think that i was lied to, that, in fact, those issues
 were for sale individually.  why else would they be stacked up by the
 bookshelf, with (if i remember correctly) a price printed on the cover?
 so i think that membership thing was a bunch of hooey.

 can anyone tell me if that was correct?
  >>

Dear Dan,

The booklet you picked up with the photograph of Maekawa's Devil on it was a
copy of JOAS magazine.  These are printed bi-monthly (six issues/year) are
not sold individually.  They are sent to JOAS members who have paid $40/year
to receive their copies.  I believe the books were set up on the shelf to
show perspective members what they should expect to receive should they
decide to order membership.  Many people have purchased membership recently
and they all receive the first three issues upon paying their membership.

Having those copies readily available in the office makes filling the orders
easier for the staff.  Remember -- the Origami House Gallery is very small,
you said so yourself.  I would highly recommend that you investigate
questionable situations more fully before making accusations of "being lied
to" in the future!

Yours,

June Sakamoto





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 08:51
Subject: Re: degradation

James Storrs wrote:
>
> I am shocked to read about the degradation of videotapes on this list.  My
> impression has been that most of the members are wholesome, well-adjusted
> people.  I for one treat my videotapes with respect and dignity and get the
> same in return.

This really has nothing to do with list members (meaning me) lacking
wholesomeness, being badly adjusted or showing a lack of respect or
dignity to video tapes. I think Kenneth Kawamura has given a
sufficiently clear explanation on what the problems are.

As a matter of fact, I do store the few more important videos in an
airtight container packed with silica gel. Three which are really
important to me are stored in a small dehumidifier cabinet together with
computer diskettes, cameras, camera lenses and my philatelic collection.
Inspite of this, I still had occasional problems with fungus, especially
if the tapes are left untouched for a few months. I overcame this by
fast-warding and rewinding each of these tapes every month or so.

I don't think anyone can accord video tapes with better treatment than
that, but it takes too much time, storage space and money if such
treatment has to be extended to more than a few video tapes.

Ron.





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:45
Subject: not for archives:  alternate meanings of degradation

I find myself in the position of trying to explain a joke.  I won't even
try.  Time after time on this list someone will take a word from a message
out of its context and make play with it, and I enjoy reading what they have
to say.
Evidently my attempt was unsuccessful.
Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend.
JMS
----------

> James Storrs wrote:
> >
> > I am shocked to read about the degradation of videotapes on this list.
My
> > impression has been that most of the members are wholesome,
well-adjusted
> > people.  I for one treat my videotapes with respect and dignity and get
the
> > same in return.
>
>
> This really has nothing to do with list members (meaning me) lacking
> wholesomeness, being badly adjusted or showing a lack of respect or
> dignity to video tapes. I think Kenneth Kawamura has given a
> sufficiently clear explanation on what the problems are.





From: Emily Brunson <janissa@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:53
Subject: Re: not for archives:  alternate meanings of degradation

At 10:09 AM 12/4/1999 -0600, James Storrs wrote:
>I find myself in the position of trying to explain a joke.  I won't even
>try.  Time after time on this list someone will take a word from a message
>out of its context and make play with it, and I enjoy reading what they have
>to say.
>Evidently my attempt was unsuccessful.

Not for everyone -- I thought it was funny.  ;-D

>Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend.

Likewise.

Best,
Em (the eternal lurker, going back to lurking)

PS:
>JMS

You don't by any chance watch B5, do you?  "JMS..." The Great Maker!  It's
YOU?????  ;-D

>----------
>
>
>> James Storrs wrote:
>> >
>> > I am shocked to read about the degradation of videotapes on this list.
>My
>> > impression has been that most of the members are wholesome,
>well-adjusted
>> > people.  I for one treat my videotapes with respect and dignity and get
>the
>> > same in return.
>>
>>
>> This really has nothing to do with list members (meaning me) lacking
>> wholesomeness, being badly adjusted or showing a lack of respect or
>> dignity to video tapes. I think Kenneth Kawamura has given a
>> sufficiently clear explanation on what the problems are.





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 12:44
Subject: Re: Video mold

My husband used to work with magnetic media in the US navy, eg, on Guam. If
you can't control environmental humidity, the dry dessicant is next best;
these packets can be dried out periodically in a warm oven. If this hasn't
already been said, I hope it's useful!
--Elise





From: Debra Nelson <debnels@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 13:39
Subject: Re: PCOC

Richard Hunter wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the dates for the PCOC convention in San Francisco in March
> 2000?

PCOC will be held March 18-19.





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 13:47
Subject: Origami Sighting

The latest issue of Martha Stewart Living (December 1999) features a simple
"balloon" box fold which she says you can put over those small "fairy"
Christmas lights as a sort of party decoration.  She advises to not leave
them on for very long and to check them frequently.  I wonder if there's a
kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?
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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 04 Dec 1999 14:44
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

> The latest issue of Martha Stewart Living (December 1999) features a simple
>  "balloon" box fold which she says you can put over those small "fairy"
>  Christmas lights as a sort of party decoration.  She advises to not leave
>  them on for very long and to check them frequently.  I wonder if there's a
>  kind of thin fireproof paper you could use?

The best way to make sure the paper doesn't catch fire would be to keep it
nice and moist ... in fact once the balloon is on the lights you could give
it a quick spray with a squirty bottle every few hours...

Dave-S

N.B. For anyone who actually considers doing this please tell me in advance
so I can forward your names to the Y2K Darwin awards ;) )
