




From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:06
Subject: [NO] The recent unpleasantness

I apologise for the part I played in the recent unpleasantness.

I've received a few messages from various people asking for the removal of a
certain party from the list membership. This is no longer necessary as she
has already unsubscribed. As far as I know, this person was a real person,
not a created entity like Xuxa. She lived somewhere in southern California.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:13
Subject: African folders [was Re: Nativity]

At 10:32 99/11/21 +0100, Julia Palffy wrote:
>Howzat for a compilation? Three continents represented... by the way, are
>there any African folders out there?

There used to be a few members of the list from South Africa, but there are
no African members of the list right now (at least, none who can be
identified by their email addresses). Here's the distribution as it stands:

*  Argentina                          3
*  Australia                         13
*  Austria                            3
*  Brazil                             6
*  Canada                            14
*  Colombia                           4
*  Czech Republic                     1
*  Denmark                            4
*  Finland                            2
*  France                             6
*  Germany                            9
*  Great Britain                     20
*  Greece                             1
*  Hong Kong                          1
*  Indonesia                          2
*  Ireland                            1
*  Israel                             2
*  Italy                              7
*  Japan                              4
*  Malaysia                           1
*  Netherlands                        4
*  New Zealand                        1
*  Norway                             1
*  Philippines                        2
*  Poland                             4
*  Portugal                           3
*  Romania                            1
*  Russian Federation                 4
*  Singapore                          4
*  Spain                              8
*  Sweden                             4
*  Switzerland                        2
*  Ukraine                            1
*  Uruguay                            1
*  USA                              428

(USA includes all of the .com and .net and .org addresses, such as the
hotmail and yahoo addresses, so it appears larger than it really is.)

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:28
Subject: Re: Bookmark Unsuccessful!

At 23:35 99/11/20 -0800, you wrote:
>Anyone still have some of there favourite sites handy?  The one that really
>stood out was the series of Star which you can make (100 steps) and produces
>the most exquisite results.
>
>Joseph, dude, are you reading this???  Help me out buddy.

Stephen, have you visted the "Links" page on my site?
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From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:42
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

Here's another idea.

I file extra related information, poems, history, newspaper clippings, photos
and diagrams that are related in the origami books that I have. So what ever
book I have or carry with that subject also has my own notes, and anything
related that I find
in the pages. Books make good files.

Best wishes,
Kelly





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:56
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

This person apparently sent the request to several people. And he/she
already knows how to fold it. Here is the instruction I got from this
person:

It starts with a square piece of paper and goes something like this

1. fold the paper to form a rectangle and again to form a square(quarter
original)
2. From the edge take one sheet and fold it to the corner making a triangle,
turn it over and fold the remaining 3 edges to form a triange shape.
3. Now with the thumbs into the open edge fold it out so that the triangle
looks like a square again, with a diagnal cut in the middle.
4. Gently pull the top layer apart to form a boat with a triangulat sail in
the middle.

Sorry I'm not used to proper names of the folds.

Does that help ?

------

It looks like a square version of sailboat hat. Anyone knows the origin.  I
don't have Classic Origami. Is it the same model?

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:56:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

>At 09:42 99/11/22 +0100, you wrote:
>>Who can answer this question?
>>Please send your answer to EASYPC4KID@aol.com directly.
>>
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>I've got to teach a class how to make something in 15 mins and need
>>instruction on something simple. I learnt to make a simple 5 fold boat
>>when I
>>was a child but can't remember who taught it to me or if it is
>>cataloged. Can
>>you help ??
>
>That sounds like Toshie Takahama's 5-fold yacht which can be found in Paul
>Jackson's book, "Classic Origami".
>
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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:05
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

At 12:54 99/11/22 -0500, you wrote:
>This person apparently sent the request to several people. And he/she
>already knows how to fold it. Here is the instruction I got from this
>person:
>
<unclear instructions deleted>
>
>It looks like a square version of sailboat hat. Anyone knows the origin.  I
>don't have Classic Origami. Is it the same model?

Nope. Nothing like Takahama's yacht. Her yacht starts with a diagonal fold
and is very elegant. One of my favourite models.

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From: Eileen Tan <eileen@TRISTAN.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:18
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

Hi,

  I think it's one of those playground folds, I learnt it when I was in
kindergarten, as did another of my friends in another country halfway
across the world from me.  It's the one where you can tear off the two
ends of the boat, and the top middle triangle, and unfold it to get a
shirt.

Eileen
(diagram here -> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/et33/pics/boat.jpg)

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:

> [...boat instructions...]





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:27
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

Have a look at the phone folds on the Bos site. I think this could be what
your're looking for.

Dave-S





From: Gerard Blais <gblais@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:31
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Origami-Montr=E9al_-_next_meeting?=

The next meeting of Origami-Montreal will be held:

     Sunday, November 28, from 1 PM to 4 PM,
     at 6848 Christophe-Colomb, Montreal.

On the menu:
    - Discussions: local events, international events, new books,
      interesting news, etc.
    - Suggestions of books for the club library.
    - Folding workshop:
          "Christmas Origami", presented by Danielle.
    - Free folding, discussion, etc.

Origami material (i.e. paper) will be provided for those who need it.

See you Sunday!  Be there or be "square"! :-)

Grard

+-----+ Origami-Montral
|     | Phone & fax: (450) 448-2530 (Hideko Sinto)
|     | email: origami@francomedia.qc.ca (Hideko Sinto)
+-----+ web: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/8802





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:39
Subject: Paper for boxes!

Hi!

I just folded a triangular box out of wrapping paper and so I came to think
of, what kind of paper do you use to fold boxes? What kinds do the authors
use? Cause the boxes always look so stable on the pictures. Wrapping paper
isn't very stable and someone suggested wallpaper, but I've looked around and
it's both expensive and you have to buy a lot of one kind every time. My
normal origami paper is too small for the boxes. Since the lid is made out of
1 piece of paper and the same with the buttom, the papers need to be at least
5 times the lenght of the lenght of the side of the box and the width will
decide how "tall" the box will be, so it's pretty long pieces of paper you
need. That's why I've been using wrapping paper, but can anyone else give me a
tip on how to make stable boxes so people can actually keep things in them?
Thanks in advance!
                    Anine

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From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:00
Subject: Re: Paper for boxes!

Anine wonders:

>what kind of paper do you use to fold boxes?
>someone suggested wallpaper but I've looked around and
>it's both expensive and you have to buy a lot of one kind every time

If you go to a wallpaper store, you may be able to pick up outdated sample
books for free. The sizes of are usually quite generous in order to allow
the larger patterns to be seen, and the variety can be spectacular.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:04
Subject: African folders (was Nativity)

Julia asked if there are any African folders on the list.  What a dandy
question!  African culture is just full of wonderful images what would make
fascinating models!  There are masks and fetishes from many tribal cultures
that could be folded.  I have a carving on my bedside of a boy with an
elephant head growing out of his stomach - very weird and wonderful.

Have any of the creators on the list explored this subject area?  Anyone
care to take a crack at it?

Best,
---------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Clark                    Phone: (919) 468-9901 ext. 101
IVC, Inc.                        mdc@ivc.com





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:14
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

I have been putting my loose hard copies into those
protective plastic sleeves and the into 3-ring
binders, with divider tabs set up to divide the
diagrams by theme. I have a several-thousand-mile
relocation coming up soon, and so have been
extra-motivated to get the diagrams organized.

John

--- Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET> wrote:
> I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed
> diagrams.  Has anyone
> come up with clever organizing schemes for their
> loose diagrams?  All
> hot tips greatly appreciated!
>
> Dorothy
>

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From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:33
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

I put all the diagrams I print out from the net into a display book with
clear plastic pages. It's cheap and it keeps 'em all in one place. But I
wouldn't call them organized. What would be an appropraite sort?

Robin.

Folding without boxing gloves.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:33
Subject: Re: African folders (was Nativity)

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
>
> Have any of the creators on the list explored this subject area?  Anyone
> care to take a crack at it?
>
I have no experence with anything like African paper folding, but I know
that many tribal fabric designs are based upon similar constructions as the
celtic knotwork that has been discussed of late. Sort of like convergent
evolution or independant discovery. On of the Bains at least mentions
African knotwork construction, but I can't remember which book, which Bain,
or when I saw it. I used to do Celtic-style manuscript illumination--copying
pages from the book of Kells and Lindesfairne (sp?), but I can't even count
the rings I've grown between then and now. If you find something please post
the info, I'm re-intrigued. All the best - c!!!

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:47
Subject: Re: Paper for boxes!

Anine asked:

>can anyone else give me a
>tip on how to make stable boxes so people can actually keep things in them?

Try backcoating. You can use office paper, elephant hide, kraft paper,
plain washi or anything you think would give the right stiffness. I tend
to use my Rollataq for glueing layers together, but spray adhesive would
work equally well.

I just made a washi box backcoated with laser-printer paper.

Using a heavier paper is another (obvious) idea. There are many beautiful
papers sold by the sheet at art supply stores.

Wetfolding or backcoating with methyl cellulose would work for simpler
boxes.

One final idea is to put a piece of cardboard (tucked between layers or
covered in the decorative paper) in the base of the box to add stiffness
where it is most needed.

Hope this helps.

-Jane





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:56
Subject: Re: NO:RE:Canadian words

----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Scott Cramer wrote:
> Does this make those who speak of microbiology "cellular phones"?
>
> No - "microphones"!
>
> Julia Palffy

So if I were to discuss Grace Kelly's Sony Trinitron, I'd be a white
princess telephone?

=================================

      With clear melting dew
      I'd try to wash away the dust
      of this floating world
                                  --Basho





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 14:58
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

I understands it is one of those traditional/childhood models. But my point
is which one comes first. Rectagular version or the square version. Or it is
impossible to trace it back now.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Eileen Tan <eileen@TRISTAN.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:58:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

>Hi,
>
>  I think it's one of those playground folds, I learnt it when I was in
>kindergarten, as did another of my friends in another country halfway
>across the world from me.  It's the one where you can tear off the two
>ends of the boat, and the top middle triangle, and unfold it to get a
>shirt.
>
>Eileen
>(diagram here -> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/et33/pics/boat.jpg)





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:25
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

At 23:21 -0800 21-11-1999, Dorothy Engleman wrote:
>I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
>come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?  All
>hot tips greatly appreciated!
>
>Dorothy

In my view the best way is to separate the organisation from the actual
diagrams. So just number them from 1 onwards and put them in one or more
binders. Then think hard about the question: do you need and want to make a
computer database? What do you want to do?

If so, go ahead, like Matthias suggested.

I myself chose not to make a computerised database (I only have some 150
loose diagrams now). I do use a computer, but only to make text documents
that I print out and add to now and again.

I have a numbered list with some info on each diagram. It is not a
'database'. For instance, sometimes I add the name of the author because I
like his/her designs in general. Most of the times I do not.

I also made up a list of yes-or-no questions to define various categories.
The categories reflect the purpose I may have at the moment I am looking
for a diagram. Of course, diagrams (represented by their numbers) may fall
in more than one category. Some categories may become too large, in that
case you have to devise subcategories.

I use categories like:

- special list: a short list of models I fold so often that I want to find
them quickly
- folds that impress children, because
- - they move
- - children can wear the fold
- - the fold makes a sound
- - other reasons
- the fold is a usable object in itself
- - envelopes and containers
- - games and puzzles
- - bookmarks
- - other
- usable for sending cards
- - Christmas
- - birth of a baby
- - marriage
- - some money folds
- - etc.
- 3D ornaments
- - Christmas
- - kusudama's
- some themes:
- - SF / scary / mythology / fairytales
- - real animals
- - flowers and plants
- require special kinds of paper
- - nonsquare paper
- - - Silver Rectangle
- - - 2 x 1
- - - long strip
- - colour on both sides
- special folding techniques
- - box pleating

So you see, every category that looks like a probable reason you might have
for finding the models in it, and that lets you decide quickly whether a
model fits in, is useful. It's not just the 'database' that lets you find
diagrams, it's the database PLUS WHAT'S IN YOUR OWN HEAD.

Hope this helps.

Greetings,
Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:40
Subject: Re: Paper for boxes!

I'm glad wallpaper has been mentioned; I've enjoyed it, though it won't
crease very sharply. My recent favorite has been memory book paper, which
should be easy to get at craft stores in the US--some stores sell nothing
but memory book stuff! Are these papers available overseas? Anyway, it's
nice & sturdy, comes in wonderful prints of almost any theme, & is supposed
to last forever! Comes in 8.5 x 11 in. & 12 x 12 in.

By the way, thanks to those who advise me about cellophane. I'll try it
sometime. Meanwhile, the discussion about mylar sent me shopping. All I
could find was holographic tissue, which might be mylar. My trivit turned
out more like a doily, but it's pretty. The thin paper does hold a fold,
but isn't very resilient; it might be good for Montroll or Lang's
models--the ones where the paper stops folding before you get to the
details, eg, a shiny fish.
--Elise





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:40
Subject: Rollataq

What is a Rollataq?  I'm going to assume from context that it's some kind of
"rolling glue" tool.  Can it be used for serious backcoating???

Rob





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:48
Subject: Lang's Origami Animals

Mentioning folding tissue paper reminded me of a book I've been missing,
from the days when I would memorize models from the excellent Virginia
Beach library collection & then return the books. (Here in San Diego I have
to buy almost all my books.) R. Lang's Origami Animals had some of my early
favorites--eg, the cockatoo & the nicest turtle I've ever folded. The
turtle was the first fold that made me resort to tissue. Will the book come
back into print soon?
--Elise





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 17:07
Subject: Re: Rollataq

Rollataq is awesome.  The hand applicator applies the adhesive silkscreen
fashion, in tiny dots very close together, and there is NO wrinkling.  It is
repositionable for a few minutes or makes a firm bond immediately if
burnished.  It is archival and can be used for mounting very delicate papers
such as tissue because it is not "wet."
This is one site for more information.  There are commercial machines, but
note the HAND applicator.
http://www.archival.com/mounttools.html

> What is a Rollataq?  I'm going to assume from context that it's some kind
of
> "rolling glue" tool.  Can it be used for serious backcoating???
>
> Rob





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 17:47
Subject: Giunta books

I recently saw some lovely Giunta models on the web

[here is the link if anyone is interested:
http://www.aha.ru/~origami/issue/issue_1998_1/html/junta_eng.htm]

The article mentions a book devoted to insects, but I am guessing from the
publication date that this may be out of print?

A quick search of the relative booksites brought up only one book:

DIVERTITEVI CON L'ORIGAMI

Would someone please offers some comments in the way of a review of this
item?

I imagine Alfredo Giunta may also be widely published in convention
annuals, so any pointers in that direction would also be much appreciated.

regards
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:10
Subject: Re: Paper for boxes!

At 07:39 PM 99-11-22 MET, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
...................... Wrapping paper
>isn't very stable and someone suggested wallpaper, but I've looked around and
>it's both expensive and you have to buy a lot of one kind every
time..............

It is sometimes possible to get shop owners to donate their books of
samples.  Our school managed to acquire several volumes of wallpaper
samples from various sources a few years ago.  I'm told they are no longer
as generous, apparently some companies want the books back at the end of
the season for some weird reason, and some people worry that their samples
will be put to some nefarious use, but it may be different where you live.

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:34
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

"Travel to Oriland" just won a "silver" award at the presentation in
California. Congratulations to the team and to Yurii and Katrin Shumakov -
creators of Oriland. If you haven't visited their Oriland site yet, there are
diagrams for 70 of their original models in "The Studio." The URL is:

http://www.origami.aaanet.ru

>From there, you can link up to the Thinkquest site.

Ros Joyce and I had the pleasure of meeting The Shumakovs as they passed
through New York on their way to Los Angeles from Russia. They are just as warm
and charming as their creations.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:50
Subject: Wallpaper for boxes

This won't be news for many of you, but most wall"paper" nowdays is vinyl.
It doesn't hold a crease as well as paper, and if you use water-based glue
it doesn't hold very well.  However, it is tough and durable, and some of
the colors and patterns are wonderful, so it's worth a try.

James





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 20:50
Subject: Re: Giunta books

See to CDO homepage

http://www.essenet.it/cdo and follow "Quaderni del Quadrato Magico"
http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/qqm.htm
and then see number 19.
I think you should be a member to order it.
I don't remember if there are some of his creation on CDO website...
if you don't know this site, explore it, it's wonderful :)

Bye,
Lorenzo

 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:01
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

> Dorothy Engleman inquired:
> > I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
> > come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?  All
> > hot tips greatly appreciated!

Several people have suggested using plastic page protectors for storing
loose diagrams in 3-ring binders.  I will store all the pages of a
multi-page diagram in one sleeve, thus saving on the cost of the sleeves and
ensuring that all pages of a diagram stay together.  One other benefit of
this method is that I am able to store a sample of the model (if it is flat
or can be collapsed flat) in the plastic sleeve with the diagram.  For
modular models, I'll store one or two samples of the module in the sleeve.
This allows me to see the finished model the diagram is for without taking
the pages out of the sleeve.  I also have one copy of the finished model or
module to reverse engineer if the diagrams don't make sense to me when I go
back to them.

Janet Hamilton





From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:32
Subject: I've recover some of it!

Good evening "kitties!"

Thank you to the 3 people who responded to my aid.  I manage to go into the
History (where the computer keeps track of all the sites you visit) and
retrieve some of them.  It was long...but very good.

BTW, thanks for the tip Joseph!  I have seen your site, but haven't really
give your database a try yet (looking for specific diagram).
I will tonight though.  Right now, I'm just so busy getting ready for Friday
- a crash course on how to fold some of the models to the "Victorian" youth
librarian.  I'll let everyone know how I do.

In the mean time, has anyone come across a fairly simple or intermediate
Candy Cane and an Anchor Origami model?  I should really look on Joseph's
database but thought I give a holler.

Anyone know??  Thanks a bunch!

*Paper-man*

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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:32
Subject: NO:RE:Canadian words

In a message dated 11/22/1999 10:47:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Scott Cramer writes:

>     Does this make those who speak of microbiology "cellular phones"?

No, "microphones".   :-)

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 03:02
Subject: Thanks Mylar Suggestions

Thanks to all who came up with suggestions for making mylar/plastic holographic
     paper useful for origami.

I've never done backcoating so I'll have to try it, but I may have to wait
     until spring when windows can be opened.  Now I also will have to
     investigate the Rolltaq device mentioned recently.

I also may try making some Moravian stars, as Gillian suggested, tacking them
     down at the end.

Carol Martinson





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 03:19
Subject: Holiday

Hi everyone!
This to let you know that I will be off the list for the rest of the week, as I
     am taking a few days holiday.

Happy folding to all of you :-)

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 04:51
Subject: Re: Thanks Mylar Suggestions

Hi Carol, if I remember correctly from a previous post, Rolltaq is
non-toxic and does not have a heavy chemical smell.

Dorothy





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 08:33
Subject: Danish folders

*snip*

*  Denmark                            4

4 from Denmark? Where have you been hiding? I only know Thoki Yenn as the only
Dane on this list! Would be nice to get in contact with some more Danes (yes I
am Danish too even if I live in Sweden at the time and my e-mail address ends
with usa.net ;)
Best wishes,
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From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 10:26
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

Rachel,
At 20.26 22/11/1999 +0000, you wrote:

>"Travel to Oriland" just won a "silver" award at the presentation in
>California. Congratulations to the team and to Yurii and Katrin Shumakov -
.................
>From there, you can link up to the Thinkquest site.

I can add that there was another award-winning origami Web project, made by
very young boys for the Junior Thinkquest contest. You can see it here:

http://tqjunior.advanced.org/5402/

Roberto





From: Peg Barber <m.m.barber@ATT.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 11:31
Subject: Help finding Joli Glaze

Can anyone help me find Joli Glaze?  It is a clear
plastic film that comes as a liquid and can be used to
cover paper - as in coating origami jewelry.  Does
anyone know where I can find this stuff?

Thanks,
Peg Barber
m.m.barber@att.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:18
Subject: Re: Danish folders

At 14:33 99/11/23 +0100, you wrote:
>*  Denmark                            4
>
>4 from Denmark? Where have you been hiding? I only know Thoki Yenn as the only
>Dane on this list! Would be nice to get in contact with some more Danes (yes I
>am Danish too even if I live in Sweden at the time and my e-mail address ends
>with usa.net ;)

Actually, it's 3 from Denmark. One of them is on twice using two different
email addresses.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:28
Subject: Mylar and adhesives

As Dorothy said, Rollataq has no odor and is non-toxic. But it has only
limited usefulness with Mylar. I have tried it. The Mylar and other
substance will stay together for folding, but the edges will separate,
and there may also be wrinkles in some surfaces where the paper and Mylar
separarate. I would not recommend Rollataq, except for paper-to-paper
glueing.

Here is an idea I got from Martin Carbone: Use full-page label sheets
(labels that are 8-1/2 x 11, i.e. one per page) as backing. This will
work.

Otherwise there are the 3M adhesive sprays. (To Carol: If the snow stops
you could do it outside; or how about under an umbrella?)

-Jane





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:15
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

Rachel and Robby,

I'm curious how much publicity and exposure these award-winning origami
web pages receive on the world wide web.

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:32
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

Robby,

Thanks for telling us about the Junior Thinkquest award-winning origami
Web project.  But this was not an all boy project. Two out of the four
participants were young girls.

Dorothy





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@WORLD.STD.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:44
Subject: I'm in Detroit

Hello to all my folding friends in Michigan.  I'm in Detroit until next
Saturday. If you'd like to try to get together, send me mail.  I've got my
remote internet access working.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 15:15
Subject: origami sighting

"Lowell looked quite ready to fold the sheriff into an origami swan."

 Tom Piccirilli, ___The Dead Past__ {Berkley Prime Crime Mystery, 1997,
mass market pb 1999}, p 188.

(Except for this line, I'd have done better to spend my time folding.)

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 15:48
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

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From: "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)" <nbackes@SGP.HONEYWELL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:01
Subject: tesselations

I have become interested in origami tesselations and am looking for any
information on resources, whether they be web sites, books or videos.  I
have seen Chris Palmer's web site which has a few crease patterns - and lots
of beautiful pictures, and a web site with designs by Helena (sorry, don't
have her last name and can't connect to the site today.)  I have a book
called 'Window Stars' which has modules which are pasted together but gives
a similar effect, and I have a few snowflake diagrams in various books that
would look really nice out of translucent paper.

I am looking for more of these types of projects along with help on learning
how to collapse the tesselation from the diagram (besides trial and error)
and anything that may give information on how to go about creating my own
tesselations.  I have already found web sites on drawing Escher style
tesselation patterns, so that is not what I am looking for.  I want to fold
the tesselations out of a single sheet (or modular) such that the layering
of the paper makes the designs.

I'd appreciate any leads.
Nancy Backes
nbackes@sgp.honeywell.com





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:03
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

>From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:22:01 +0200
>
>Rachel,
>At 20.26 22/11/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >"Travel to Oriland" just won a "silver" award at the presentation in
> >California. Congratulations to the team and to Yurii and Katrin Shumakov
>-
>.................
> >From there, you can link up to the Thinkquest site.
>
>I can add that there was another award-winning origami Web project, made by
>very young boys for the Junior Thinkquest contest. You can see it here:
>
>http://tqjunior.advanced.org/5402/
>
>Roberto

Sor some reason I can't get intothe sight you gave the link for.  I am
interested in seeing it, so could you tell me of another way to access the
sight?

Thanks
Collin Weber

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From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:29
Subject: Re: Giunta books

I have several of Alfredo's books, including the insect book that you
mentioned, "Origami Gli Insetti di Alfredo Guinta".  I recently purchased
this book from Kim's Crane (www.kimscrane.com).  I also have his "I Piccoli
Animali di Alfredo Guinta" which is a collections of animals d'acqua (of the
water), di terra (of the land) and d'aria (of the air).

Alfredo's models are charming but detailed, and are clearly diagrammed.
They are not as complex as Robert Lang's insect models.  He makes frequent
use of rectangular paper in a 1x4 ratio, which he folds into a series of
waterbomb bases to get lots of flaps for wings and legs. Most other models
start with a square.

I have seen his insects folded from foil paper; he folds the models small,
and exhibits them in a small, divided box.  It's a pretty cool display, much
like you'd expect to see a biologist display a collection of insects.

As well as an accomplished origami designer, Alfredo is a very kind, warm
and engaging person.  I had the pleasure of spending several days with him
at the CDO convention in Castel San Pietro last year.

As far as the other book mentioned in Michael's email, DIVERTITEVI CON
L'ORIGAMI, I have not seen this one.  Perhaps someone else on the list
has...

Best,

Michael Clark
Cary, North Carolina





From: Martin Liu <liumcn@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 18:07
Subject: Australian Folders

hi
noted from Joseph Wu

> Date:    Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:07:13 -0800
> From:    Joseph Wu
> Subject: African folders [was Re: Nativity]
>
> At 10:32 99/11/21 +0100, Julia Palffy wrote:
> >Howzat for a compilation? Three continents represented... by the way, are
> >there any African folders out there?
>
> There used to be a few members of the list from South Africa, but there are
> no African members of the list right now (at least, none who can be
> identified by their email addresses). Here's the distribution as it stands:
>
> *  Argentina                          3
> *  Australia                         13
>
where are the Australian lurkers?
Could you please reply  off the list
hope to hear from you soon
Martin Liu





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 18:14
Subject: Re: Thinkquest Awards

Dorothy,
At 10.30 23/11/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Thanks for telling us about the Junior Thinkquest award-winning origami
>Web project.  But this was not an all boy project. Two out of the four
>participants were young girls.

Sorry.... you are right ! I apologize to all the nice girls of this list. <:-)

Robby





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 18:39
Subject: Re: Paper for boxes!

As far as wallpaper books from stores go, try explaining exactly what you
want the book for when making your request. A small gift of an origami box
might stimulate their generosity, too.

According to my husband, who works in a store that sells paper, the problem
is that people will come in, get a book of samples they like, contact the
distributor, and purchase directly, thus cutting out the store's profit.
Needless to say, this raises their ire.

Gillian

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 19:08
Subject: Singaporean folders (Was African folders)

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> There used to be a few members of the list from South Africa, (Snip) Here's
     the distribution as it stands:
>

> *  Singapore                          4

Apparently, there are three Singaporean lurkers too! I know Teik Seong
is out there, although he seems to be missing in action in recent weeks.
Could the other two please get in touch with me via personal email.

Thanks.





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 19:49
Subject: Re: Help finding Joli Glaze

At 04:30 PM 11/23/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone help me find Joli Glaze?  It is a clear
>plastic film that comes as a liquid and can be used to
>cover paper - as in coating origami jewelry.  Does
>anyone know where I can find this stuff?
>
>Thanks,
>Peg Barber
>m.m.barber@att.net
>
>
Hi Peg,

I used to make origami jewelry and I used this glaze before.
On some items it was ok, but on some washi papers it changed
the colors of the paper and it took awhile to dry.  It's toxic,
not easy to get and I found two acrylic alternatives that are
non toxic and much easier to use and less time to dry.  Try the
delta jewelry glaze and an acrylic spray from fascinating folds,
because I think you'll like them much better.

Ria





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 19:53
Subject: Edwin Corrie

Hi,

does anyone know if Edwin Corrie has an email address?

Thanks,
Lorenzo

 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 20:32
Subject: Sv:      Edwin Corrie

--------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363
----------------------------------------

Yes, I know that Edwin Corrie has an email address

I will have to ask Edwin
whether he wants me to put it on the list

Regards from

The great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.





From: Carol Martinson <carolm49@POCKETMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 21:13
Subject: Re: Tessellations

Nancy,

By a very strange coincidence I was looking at a new book in the library today
     called Designing Tessellations: The Secrets of Interlocking Patterns by
     Jinny Beyer.  The publisher is Contemporary Books, 1999, ISBN 0809228661,
     256 pages, $39.95.

What it covers seems to be all aspects of creating tesselation patterns, but
     nothing on how to create origami tesselations or the layered, almost 3-D
     aspect of Chris Palmer's tesselations, which adds a whole another
     dimension to the design process.  Chapt

I didn't have time to check what other library systems in the area own it, but
     if you are interested I can bring it to the next meeting.

What was also strange was that until I looked at this book I had never realzed
     that I had created tessellations as a stress reliever while I was in
     college, not the origami, layered type you are seeking information about,
     but the 2-dimensional type drawn

Carol Martinson





From: Michie Sahara <michies@WESTWORLD.COM>
Date: 23 Nov 1999 21:37
Subject: Japan Expo

Masako Sakai and Michie Sahara will be at the Japan Expo on November 27 and
28, Saturday (10am to 8pm) and Sunday (10am to 6pm)  at the Los Angeles
Convention Center West Hall.  This will be demonstration/show/sale of our
tsunagiori.  There will be other craftsmen from Japan also.  Hope to see
you.





From: John Lapko <JLapko@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 00:23
Subject: cube rose

Hello,
Some where on list I believe I read about cube rose and its originator. Am
looking for picture of same, open if possible.
Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance.
John S Lapko





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 24 Nov 1999 05:27
Subject: Re: Tessellations

In a message dated 11/23/1999 9:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carol writes  about a book on tesselations,
in answer to Nancy's question about origami tesselation:

> What it covers seems to be all aspects of creating tesselation patterns,
but
> nothing on how to create origami tesselations or the layered, almost 3-D
> aspect of Chris Palmer's tesselations, which adds a whole another dimension
> to the design process.

Aloha Carol and Nancy,

There's at least one back issue of Jeremy Shafer's BARF newsletter
that goes into some detail on Chris Palmer's origami tesselations,
maybe more than one. I don't remember the details, but I think it
sketched out a whole system for taking any 2-D tesselation and
creating a corresponding origami tesselation, and then creating
elaborations on that tesselation.

And before you ask, I used the archive search at
> http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/
to find a message dated
> Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:41:48 -0400 (AST)
> Subject: PCOC & BARF websites  PCOC & BARF websites
with the BARF website
> Another item:  Jeremy Shafer wanted us to relay to all of
> you that his brother has set up a BARF (Bay Area Rapid
> Folder) website:  http://www.krmusic.com/barf.htm
> enjoy!

[From here on, the stuff in sthese square brackets is mine]
{From the BARF website:}
The BARF Newsletter is published quarterly.
The yearly subscription is $15, and $20 outside US.
This makes you a full member of BARF.
[...]
Please mail subscriptions orders to:

BARF
Jeremy Shafer
1744 Virginia St.
Berkeley, CA 94703 USA

As I'm not yet named BARF please make
checks payable to Jeremy Shafer.
[and]
All back issues are available to members at
$2 each (March is$5)
plus $2 postage and handling ($3 overseas),
and to nonmembers at $4 each (March is $10).
Please make checks payable to Jeremy Shafer
and send any back issue or membership orders to:
[same address as above]

[Unfortunately, his newsletter index appears to be
a slow-loading picture of some kind, instead of
text, and I can't quite read it. There's a Chris Palmer
geometric origami article in the first March issue,
but I can't tell what year it is, oh, it must be
March 1994. I'm using a shareware program called
Loupe to enlarge small parts of the screen to read that.
It looks like there's a Chris Palmer "Crease Tesselation"
(?) in January 1994.

Oh, neat! Anthony O'Hare's Welsh Dragon is in the
Fall 1994 issue.

Sorry, that's the best I can do right now.]

[Aloha,                         ]
[Kenneth M. Kawamura ]





From: Christina Nester <tinan@ISICMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 05:38
Subject: Yoda - Birmingham  1998

Hi everyone,

   I recently got the BOS Birmingham Spring 98 convention booklet, and I've
     been trying to fold (what else??:-) ) Yoda. After I'd figured out the
     order of the individual steps in the first place..........., I ran into a
     problem on the second from last ste

   Thanks for your help,

       Tina

P.S.: I absolutely wanted to mention how very satisfied I am with BOS supplies!
     I ordered the convention booklet  on a Friday, and they sent it out the
     very next Monday!!!! I was really amazed!! Thanks:-)





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 05:57
Subject: Karen Reeds email address

Can anyone send it to me?
Thanks.

Rona





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 06:12
Subject: Re: cube rose

It was Valerie Van, but if you're looking for diagrams you'll be disappointed
her website is naught more than an advertisement for a future Michael La
Fosse Video

http://people.delphi.com/vvann/magicros.html

Dave-S





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 09:29
Subject: Re: Yoda - Birmingham  1998

Let me make sure we are talking about the same step. The second last step on
page 77. It is just an inside reverse. You probably made some mistakes
before If you can not match the last step. Keep trying and good luck!

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Nester <tinan@ISICMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:29:24 -0500
Subject: Yoda - Birmingham 1998

>Hi everyone,
>
>   I recently got the BOS Birmingham Spring 98 convention booklet, and I've
been trying to fold (what else??:-) ) Yoda. After I'd figured out the order
of the individual steps in the first place..........., I ran into a problem
on the second from last step on page 3... I can't figure out what the fold
on the left-hand side is supposed to be... No matter what I've tried up to
now, it never came out looking like the next drawing... Maybe the left-hand
and the right-hand part are to be folded together, somehow???
>
>   Thanks for your help,
>
>       Tina
>
>P.S.: I absolutely wanted to mention how very satisfied I am with BOS
supplies! I ordered the convention booklet  on a Friday, and they sent it
out the very next Monday!!!! I was really amazed!! Thanks:-)





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 09:55
Subject: Re: Tessellations

Kenneth wrote:

>There's at least one back issue of Jeremy Shafer's BARF newsletter
>that goes into some detail on Chris Palmer's origami tesselations

There are several issues: Winter '96, Spring '96, Summer '96, and Spring
'97.
There is a bigger issue, however.

 From the Back Issue Highlights Index:

    "Due to a usage controversy, Chris has requested that his work be pulled
from the
    pool of BARF"

The pages concerning Chris Palmer's tessellation works are not available
when ordering back issues.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 12:15
Subject: San Diego Origami/Paper places?

Hello everyone--
I will be in San Diego, Ca from Thanksgiving to Monday. Are there any
exciting must see Origami/paper places there that I could visit? Thanks in
advance.

Leeh in rainy Seattle
lamms@aol.com





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:15
Subject: Re: cube rose

Dave Stephenson wrote:

> It was Valerie Van, but if you're looking for diagrams you'll be
> disappointed her website is naught more than an advertisement for
> a future Michael La Fosse Video
>
> http://people.delphi.com/vvann/magicros.html

Actually that she's doing a video with Michael La Fosse is quite cool.
Michael's videos are top notch, and from my experience from having learned the
MRC at an OUSA convention (2nd or 3rd or .... whatever-th hand), the assembly
is tricky... the perfect thing for a video to show. While its true that videos
are not as portable, and video players not quite as ubiquitous, as books, they
are still numerous enough that even libraries will loan out tapes.

Sure it would be great if all origami creators just gave away their work, but
as a consumer of diagrams I don't think that is fair or right to expect any
creator (of origami or anything else for that matter) to give away their work.

I write this because I read in Dave's note (perhaps erroneously, I can't be
sure) a tone of disapproval. It is a mild tone, and I hope the tone of this
note matches it. Perhaps it was the use of "naught more than" which caught my
ear. If you read the whole web page referenced, you'll see that Valerie in
fact gets into some details as to why she has chosen to share her models via
Michael's video.

-D'gou





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:30
Subject: Re: San Diego Origami/Paper places?

Hi Leeh,

I like a place called Yaohan. It is at 4240 Kearny
Mesa Road in Kearny Mesa. The number is (858)569-6699.
They have a good selection of origami books. I have
only been there once, but liked the selection. They
are really a full-spectrum Asian market, and have a
grocery as well as a bookstore. I did not see a lot of
the mainstream titles there. Most of what I saw were
softcover books, all in Asian languages. I could have
done some grievous injury to the checking account if
my wife hadn't been there to talk some sense into me!
Unfortunately, I will probably not get the chance to
go back.

I also have a request for information similar to
yours, and this gives me the excuse. I am moving to
Maui, Hawaii in about 3 weeks, and don't really know
anyone there. Does anyone have suggestions about
origami clubs or other resources there? My internet
access is going to be limited for a while, and
probably for the better. I have been printing up
diagrams pillaged from web sites as insurance against
origami deprivation, and any suggestions from the list
would be greatly appreciated.

mercy buckets,

John

--- Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Hello everyone--
> I will be in San Diego, Ca from Thanksgiving to
> Monday. Are there any
> exciting must see Origami/paper places there that I
> could visit? Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Leeh in rainy Seattle
> lamms@aol.com
>

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From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:32
Subject: LOG meeting notice Tuesday Nov 30, 7-9pm. [Littleton, MA USA]

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Small Meeting" room downstairs next to the elevator.

This month's meeting will focus on group activities for December,
and the usual folding, learning, and fun.
Joyce Saler will report on LOG decorated tree at the Concord Museum.

When: Tuesday,  Nov. 30, 1999, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:14
Subject: Origami Sunday at NYC: AMNH

Folding Sunday
(Formerly Folding-Free-For-All)

Origami Sunday will be held this Sunday at the Linder Auditorium at the
Museum of Natural History

Any OrigamiUSA members in or visiting the New York City area on the 4th
Sunday of each month are welcome to join our monthly folding meetings at the

American Museum of Natural History from 1:00 to 4:00 PM.

Please bring folding paper plus something to share. It's especially
appreciated if you
bring a model to teach, but if you're not comfortable teaching yet please
bring something else to contribute such as a model to show that you've been
enjoying folding, an origami book or newsletter others might find of
interest, or paper for the group. We will have a special "sharing table" set

aside for display of models to teach, models to show, books, publications,
and paper contributions.

These monthly meetings are a continuation of the tradition Lillian
Oppenheimer began over 40 years ago of encouraging paperfolders to get
together to teach each other and exchange ideas. OrigamiUSA is able to
provide a meeting space - the rest is up to those attending. When you arrive

at the museum please check at any information desk for the meeting room
number.

The folding sessions are similar to the informal folding at convention.





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:18
Subject: Video and Self-Publishing (was: cube rose)

I truly hope that more and more of the many talented origami designers
who are, with the exception of a few diagrams, not yet published will
take advantage of video publishing, self publishing and the new digital
publishing-on-demand technology, to get their origami art out into the
world.

Perhaps OrigamiUSA could help organize a resource pool of authors,
artists, diagrammers and videomakers with whom unpublished artists could
consult.  I certainly would be willing to volunteer my video expertise
to assist emerging authors.

Dorothy





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:53
Subject: Re: cube rose

Sorry, my fault...

Mental note ... never write e@mails first thing in the morning or last thing
at night otherwise Im going to keep getting in trouble like this :)

>> I write this because I read in Dave's note (perhaps erroneously, I can't be
>> sure) a tone of disapproval. It is a mild tone, and I hope the tone of this
>> note matches it. Perhaps it was the use of "naught more than" which caught
>> my ear. If you read the whole web page referenced, you'll see that Valerie
in
>> fact gets into some details as to why she has chosen to share her models
via
>> Michael's video.

My only quibble was with the teaser lines to the effect of 'Read the notes on
diagrams below' which insinuate that the diagrams are below.  Incidentally I
thought the reasons she chose the video where quite funny ... have you also
read Nintendo's press statements on why you should buy only official,
trademarked Pokemon ... the similarities are frightening ;)

>>it would be great if all origami creators just gave away their work, but
>>as a consumer of diagrams I don't think that is fair or right to expect any
>>creator (of origami or anything else for that matter) to give away their
work.

It would be great if everyone just gave away their work but that wasn't quite
what I was getting at. Im more than happy to pay for the diagrams that appeal
to me. If someone has put the time and effort into developing and diagramming
a model it would be lubricious to then say you have to give it away for free
now... I just happen to dislike certain forms of advertising that all ...
teaser lines are one of them.

I won't go into my views on advertising in general but if anyone's interested
rent a Bill Hicks video he sums most of it up quite nicely.

Dave-(
Okay, I think I've edited anything that could be misconstrued, cause offence
or sound too pretentious... Gee the letters about a tenth of what I started
out with.
)-S





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 15:12
Subject: Re: Video and Self-Publishing (was: cube rose)

Sorry, I still like my book and loose-leaf diagrams too much...

Perhaps organising a way of purchasing the diagrams from an origami society
online and receiving them immediately in PDF or PS format via e@mail, or a
password to download from a secure server?

The costs of implementation would be relatively small, hence more profits for
both the aspiring author and society?

Dave-S





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 Nov 1999 17:00
Subject: Re: cube rose

Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM> sez

>but if you're looking for diagrams you'll be disappointed
>her website is naught more than an advertisement for a future Michael La
>Fosse Video

This is a slightly worrying development - I hope creators don't start
regularly holding back diagrams for popular folds to ensure sales of the
video. Does Valerie think sales would be affected by releasing diagrams
to the general public? I can't think of any other reason why, nearly 2
years after learning it, there are no official diagrams. It's not a
difficult fold to diagram, after all....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
