




From: "Sandra P.Hoffman" <ghidra@HOME.COM>
Date: 19 Nov 1999 21:43
Subject: Re: Celtic Knotwork

On 19 Nov 99, at 4:54, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

>
> I have several times previously in Origami-L referred to the "Origami Mind",
> meaning the sort of person who is attracted to origami. It may be difficult
> for an origami enthusiast to understand, but only a small proportion of
> people - perhaps a small proportion - are attracted to origami. The same
> people are likely to be attracted to a number of other subjects. They
> include, among other things, puzzles, string figures, knotting, conjuring,
> tangrams, tessellations, recreational mathematics. The essence of them
> appears to be structure based on mathematics, but not entirely so: there is
> in all of them an element of unexpected surprise.

I would include knitting and crocheting in this list. I derive much the
same satisfaction from knitting and crocheting that I do from
origami. I tend to do origami in the summer and knit and crochet in
the winter. Something to do with light and temperature is all I can
think of for that seasonal association. It is very strong though, I find
it nearly impossible to do any origami by January, and similarly
difficult to knit anything in July.

Thanks for the description of the knotwork books. I assumed that the
books referred to were more collections of copied designs. I'd be
very interested in picking up a book that described how to design
knotwork patterns.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman
ghidra@home.com
http://www.flora.org/sandra/





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 19 Nov 1999 21:52
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

At 03:50 PM 99-11-19 -0800, you wrote:
>Well no1 that rule you said about relying without full message blahh blahh
>was not one of the rules in the mailing list so I had no idea. OKAY? oh and
>I was replying that mail not to you thank you.. and I was saying it in the
>Catholic way if you could read..and I did not say generally.. thank you..
>and I think what most people do to pray is not fold.. because no god did
>that.. and not in any bible or anything says that.. so that is why I think
>it has no relation at all.. and in the love of god? folding for god? it all
>sounds weird.. I mean if you go and do something uselfull like help a child
>that seems more in love for god and others and you are doing something
>usefull what good does folding something do? maybe if you sell it afterwards
>and give the money to charity that is all..
>Xandra
>

I am agnostic, I don't pray.  Often I will fold a crane for someone I know
is suffering.  It's a powerful symbol for me.  There is the physical act of
doing something, even if it's really useless to the person I cannot help
anyway,  there is the feeeling of peace that folding brings me, and finally
there is a folded crane on my desk or computer to remind me of the other
person.  It's a physical representation of my caring.

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 19 Nov 1999 22:56
Subject: Re: Buckyballs,

Roberto wrote:

>Dave,
>At 17.38 18/11/1999 EST, you wrote:
>>Im trying again now...
>
>>Have fun.
>
>OK, I've seen it now and I've had fun..... but please DON'T send
>attachments to the list any more ! Nothing personal, just think of what
>would happen if all 500+ list members suddenly decided to follow your
>example and sent their own attachments: diagrams, photo's or anything
>else..... That would mean hours (and money.....) wasted on downloading the
>whole bunch, not to speak of hard disk occupation and Internet bandwidth
>crowding !

I get the Origami-L in the digest form, so I don't even get to view the
attachment.  It gets incorporated into that digest as a HUGE string of
characters. I would like to see it, so if anybody knows how I could extract
it and view it, I'd be ever so grateful.  I don't think just cutting and
pasting it would work...

Phil

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From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:28
Subject: Re: Buckyballs,

Phil,
    When I get attachments I can't view them in my mailer, but go
through the following process.
1. get the mail message into its own file
2. download the file to my pc
3. edit out everything but the attachment in the file, leaving the
   attachment headers in
4. reformat the attachment using a shareware mime decoder that I
   had previously downloaded from the web

You now have one or more files in standard formats like gif or
jpeg which can be viewed with a browser or other viewer.

Rona





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 01:16
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

>Is free of speach right? why are you commenting then? and was I talking to
>you? hmmmmm very rude you are.. no manners at all.. I just feel is hilarious
>you think folding is praying.. you know it all sounds so funny. and when did
>I attack joseph? hmm did I say anything rude or swear I don't think I did..
>please remind me.. I said thank you to him is that rude?
>Xandra

Yes you were talking to me.  You still don't understand that this is a
group when you send an email to the list you're not addressing one person
you're addressing everyone on the list.  I don't even think you understood
my email, perhaps you should read it again.  Boy that terrible grammar sure
does seem to be familar, anyone have any guesses Hint: I think Perry is
right.

It's quite all right that you think folding as praying seems silly many
people think that praying is silly.  But don't treat me like I'm stupid one
comment doesn't change the tone of an email.  I wouldn't have bothered to
reply if you weren't insulting as many people as you possibly could in an
email.

If you're really not offended then just let it go and start folding.  It's
not my fault or anyone else's on the list that you can't understand other
people.

David





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 01:37
Subject: Re: Request for Pointers (not the kind that messes the carpet)

  Kim's Crane has several origami books with
a Hawaiian theme. Goto:

http://www.kimscrane.com/cgi-bin/kimscrane.com/webcart/webcart.cgi

 Type "hawaii" inthe text search field and hit return. Hope this helps.

               Marion





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 01:39
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

 I am praying for an end to this thread:)

 Marion(Jeeze if you love Honkus) Riley





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 02:17
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

In a message dated 11/20/99 12:39:56 AM Central Standard Time,
marion-r@WEBTV.NET writes:

<< I am praying for an end to this thread:) >>

AMEN





From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 03:13
Subject: Re: Request for Pointers (not the kind that messes the carpet)

There are also several Pokemon books available that I have seen.  Anime yes,
     but as to what
you like, I don't know.  I know that if I fold another Pinch for my 4 year old
     sister i am going
to scream! :)

Elaina

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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 04:41
Subject: NO:RE:Canadian words

About the word "Allophone", Cathy wrote:

"In Quebec we use this term to denote speakers of languages other than
French or English."

Strictly speaking from the word-building point of view,
"other-language-speakers" should be called "barbarophones" (originally it
would have meant anyone who spoke anything else than classical Greek... so
we're all included!) :P

But since nobody likes to be called a barbarian, I'm quite happy to skip
the rules and subsume "all the others" under "allophones".... :)

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 04:41
Subject: NO:RE: "-phones"

Mark Casida wrote:
It was recently suggested that words such as
      "anglophone"
      "francophone"
      "allophone"
are Canadian words meant to describe Canadian society
and require explanation to nonCanadians (e.g. English).
Is this true?

Hey, Canada is a big country, but it's not the only one to have more than
one official language!

Switzerland may be about as big as your cabbage patch, but we have
"germanophones" (maybe one should say "schwyzertutschophones" since most of
them speak dialect...;-)), "francophones", "italophones" and about 1%
"romantschophones"... and I suppose someday we'll get run over by
"anglophones" when that becomes the fifth national language... :-P

And the "-phone"-y bit in all those big words comes from the Greek,
anyway...

Matthias, do you think we should tell them about the "Rostigraben"? ;)

Julia ('language freak') Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 20 Nov 1999 05:18
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

In a message dated 11/19/1999 8:13:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM writes (apparently to David Whitbeck):

> and was I talking to you?

Aloha Xandra,

Yes, dear, you were talking to David Whitbeck.

You were also talking to each and every one of
the 800 or so people on the origami-l mailing list,
because you replied publicly to the list, as I am
doing here, instead of replying privately, to
Joseph Wu before David, and to Julia Palffy
before Joseph, tho perhaps you have not learned
how to do that yet.

When you post to the list, you are posting to
everyone on the list, and implicitly inviting
anyone to reply, publicly if they think it is of
interest to the whole list, and privately if not.

Which reminds me, David, Joseph, my
memory from my history classes is that part
of the split between the Protestants and the
Catholics in England, was over the issue of
whether laypersons should read the Bible. I
understand the Roman Catholic position was
that laypeople should not read the Bible lest
they misunderstand it, and to that end,
possession of a Bible was made a criminal
offense. I think at one point people were being
killed for owning a Bible.

If that tradition still holds, then it does no good
to refer a Catholic to verses in the Bible.

And my apologies to one and all for continuing
this thread, but I prefer to do this publicly, so
my misunderstandings can be corrected.

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 05:33
Subject: Re: Apology, my BOS 200 crack

Thank you, Kim Best, for your kind remarks; I hope others feel the same about
my editorial efforts......and yes, I got the joke!!

Rick Beech.





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 20 Nov 1999 05:37
Subject: Re: Request for Pointers (not the kind that messes the carpet)

In a message dated 11/19/1999 8:34:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM writes:

>  I am
>  also interested in origami adapted to Native American
>  or Hawaiian themes.

Aloha to John Hancock,

I don't know how much this'll help, but in a back issue of
The Origamian, the old newsletter of the Origami Center
of America, which was the predecessor of the Friends of
the Origami Center of America (FOCA), which is now
OrigamiUSA (OUSA), there were diagrams for a mask, I
think an Inca Mask, I don't remember the inventor's name,
but do seem to recall he was an archeologist. Beautiful
mask, with two large round ear-things, etc.

Maybe someone here can cite the issue. Unfortunately,
my back-issue colllection disappeared around 1985, so I
can't look it up for you.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 20 Nov 1999 07:22
Subject: Re: Celtic Knotwork

In a message dated 11/19/1999 9:44:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ghidra@HOME.COM writes:

> On 19 Nov 99, at 4:54, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:
>  >
>  > I have several times previously in Origami-L referred to the "Origami
Mind"
> ,
>  > meaning the sort of person who is attracted to origami. It may be
> difficult
>  > for an origami enthusiast to understand, but only a small proportion of
>  > people - perhaps a small proportion - are attracted to origami. The same
>  > people are likely to be attracted to a number of other subjects. They
>  > include, among other things, puzzles, string figures, knotting,
conjuring,
>  > tangrams, tessellations, recreational mathematics. The essence of them
>  > appears to be structure based on mathematics, but not entirely so: there
> is
>  > in all of them an element of unexpected surprise.
>
>  I would include knitting and crocheting in this list.

Aloha ghidra (Sandra),

Also Tatting, Lace-Making, Netting, Macrame,
Quilting, Pysanky (Polish and Russian Easter Eggs),
Lapidary (Gemcutting), Joining (a type of carpentry),
Tattooing, Calligraphy, Lei-Making, Embroidery,
none of which I do, but all of which I'm interested in,
and collecting books and magazines on.

I once had a friend who did Tatting, and tried to
explain it to me.

I had, and still have, the hardest time, wrapping
my brain around what she was doing, and how
she knew what to do to end up with a
symmetrical, intricate, complex design.

Of course, I had a similar problem understanding
how a sewing machine did what it does with its
two threads. Someone finally showed me that
cup the spool is sitting in, that the thread slips
under. Neat. Like the mechanism of Rubik's Cube.

The common thread to all these, I think, is not
the mathematics, but the design, and what I
think Chaos Theory calls the "Emergent
Properties" of complex systems, where
"the whole is larger than the sum of its parts",
in the sense that, the little details of the design,
build bigger details, which in turn are assembled
into bigger motifs, sub-designs, whatever you
want to call them, on and on and on ...

The surprise factor is somewhere in there,
where you know you can build bigger things from
smaller, but you can't predict what bigger thing
will result, or how it will appear/act/feel.

Beauty seems to be an Emergent Property of
a lot of systems, along with Symmetry,
Rhythm, Proportion, Harmony, Familiarity.
These properties just appear out of nowhere.

It doesn't seem to be the abstraction.
More like islands of orderliness in the Chaos.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 10:55
Subject: Re: Maekawa's Devil (was Demon)

Perhaps they are more common in Canada, but even living in the great nation
of Texas, I knew perfectly well what they meant. Maybe they are
simply unusual words in general (I HAVE been accused of having an
excessively large vocabulary)?

Gillian

>It was recently suggested that words such as
>       "anglophone"
>       "francophone"
>       "allophone"
>are Canadian words meant to describe Canadian society
>and require explanation to nonCanadians (e.g. English).
>Is this true?
>
>                       ... Mark
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From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:31
Subject: Re: [NO] Canadian words?

> "Anglophone" and "francophone" are not exclusively Canadian. Anglophone
> means "consisting of or belonging to an English-speaking population,
> especially in a country where two or more languages are spoken." Francophone
> is the same thing applied to French speakers. So, while the words are
> particularly appropriate in Canada (where English and French are the two
> official languages), they are not Canadian words.
>
> "Allophone" is unrelated. It means "one of two or more variants of the same
> phoneme." The example that my dictionary gives is the difference between the
> aspirated \p\ of "pin" and the unaspirated \p\ of "spin".

Thank you.  In Quebec, an "allophone" is a person whose mother tongue
is neither French nor English.  I am glad to know that the other two
terms are universally understood.  Now let us get back to folding (and
the wonderful crosscultural crossgenerational ambience that that promotes).

                          Bonne pliage a tous!
                               Mark

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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 15:04
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

That sounds sweet of you cathy.. =)
Xandra

-----------------------

I am agnostic, I don't pray.  Often I will fold a crane for someone I know
is suffering.  It's a powerful symbol for me.  There is the physical act of
doing something, even if it's really useless to the person I cannot help
anyway,  there is the feeeling of peace that folding brings me, and finally
there is a folded crane on my desk or computer to remind me of the other
person.  It's a physical representation of my caring.

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 15:06
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

To David
No you are rude.. I was not replying your message and you are so rude to
interupt.. learn some manners before you talk to me okay? go ask your
mother!! and you can type as long message has you want, because I am not
even bother reading it..
Xandra





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 15:06
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
what did you say?
Xandra

----- Original Message -----
From: <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

In a message dated 11/19/1999 8:13:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM writes (apparently to David Whitbeck):

> and was I talking to you?

Aloha Xandra,





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 15:46
Subject: Re: Celtic Knotwork

>The common thread to all these, I think, is not
>the mathematics, but the design,

They are one and the same.  The pattern or the design in the Mandelbrot
fractal allows for all sorts of interesting things like a fork that keeps
on replicating itself on smaller levels and it's generated by a very simple
algorithm!  There are many parts of the set that can be explored
inexhaustably.  The complexity is generated from the formulas just like
many other interesting phenomena like bifurication comes from period
doubling of a double pendelum.  It's all generated from the equation of
motion, i.e. Newton's Second Law.  That's what Chaos is apparent randomness
driven by deterministic order.

David





From: Leslie Mitchell <lbmitchell@MSN.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 17:34
Subject: Yoshizawa Book

Hi folks,

A few days ago someone mentioned finding Yoshizawa's Dukohon II through
TRC books online. How did you track this down when their book search is in
     Japanese? Thanks.

Leslie





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 17:36
Subject: Re: horse diagram

Hello Iskander Karibzhanov,
Thank you for the link to the diagram, but I am sorry yto let you know that
I cannot go to  a homepage and then open a file because every time i go to a
page and click on the link, a messgae will pop up and says that there is a
error.  I  have decided to use a diagram of a horse, thank you for you and
eveyone's help.
Thank you again.
Tiffany Tam

>From: Iskander Karibzhanov <ikaribzhanov@YAHOO.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: horse diagram
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:07:25 +0600
>
>Check this horse (you will need much time to fold it!)
>http://teleline.terra.es/personal/j.anibal/E1/E2/E3-instr/Caballo.pdf
>author: J. Anibal Voyer
>Difficulty: complex
>
>regards
>Iskander Karibzhanov
>ikaribzhanov@yahoo.com
>ICQ#: 50371995
>
>Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> >hello, I am doing a project at school and I need to fold many horses, is
> >there any homepages where I can find diagrams of a horse? Thank you.
>
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From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 17:40
Subject: Oral origami!

Hi!

I was tipped that in the David Letterman show which will be send on monday at
9.00 in the morning CET there's gonna be a man doing origami with his tongue
O_O. It's on a Swedish channel called ZTV.
Something to watch?

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From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 17:57
Subject: Thanks, Rona

  Rona Gurkewitz wrote:
>Phil,
>    When I get attachments I can't view them in my mailer, but go
>through the following process.
>1. get the mail message into its own file
>2. download the file to my pc
>3. edit out everything but the attachment in the file, leaving the
>   attachment headers in
>4. reformat the attachment using a shareware mime decoder that I
>   had previously downloaded from the web
>
>You now have one or more files in standard formats like gif or
>jpeg which can be viewed with a browser or other viewer.
>
>Rona

Thanks Rona! It took me all of 10 minutes to find a shareware mime decoder,
download it and reformat the attachment I had cut and pasted out of the
digest.  Really simple, but I sure wasn't figuring that out on my own.  I
just love helpful people! :-)

Phil

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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 19:10
Subject: Open Complaining

Message text written by Origami List
>No you are rude.. I was not replying your message and you are so rude to
interupt.. learn some manners before you talk to me okay? go ask your
mother!! and you can type as long message has you want, because I am not
even bother reading it..<

        Yeah, _this_ is what we need on this list -- two people bitching
openly.  What is this, New York City On-Line?!?  Too bad the list isn't
moderated...  "OK, people, move along, nothin' ta see here, move along..."

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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 20:13
Subject: was re: celtic knotwork...now, who can say?

----- Original Message -----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>

> That's what Chaos is apparent randomness
> driven by deterministic order.
>
> David

It is only our system of perception that determines what we see as chaotic
and what we see as ordered. Our perceptions are inextricably tied to the
scalar level upon which we exist, therefore those things of much greater or
lesser scale than us disappear into noise, and we fail to see their
significance. Stand one inch from a Seurat painting, all you see is a dot.
Back up ten feet or so, voila, a scene of people at a beach. Back up another
quarter mile or so, the painting is itself a dot. Mathematics is
ill-equipped to define the world around us, and when what we see  follows
none of the patterns that we have reasoned for it, it is referred to as
chaotic. Chaos and order are one in the same in the real universe, each
emergent from the other, neither able to be seperated. Nothing is random, or
everything is, there are no gradations. As we see simple systems get more
complex, as a process as simple as bifurcation becomes indeterminate within
our mathematical system despite our intuition screaming that it must be
determinable, we approach a breakdown of analytical thought, and the process
is elevated to a gestalt. Such is how zen koans enlighten through nonsense,
and such is how origami can become for many a spiritual focus as well as
mere mathematical interest or physically theraputic pastime.

on another subject...

Much of what draws many of the people who contribute to the discussions on
this list is the ability to see the potential for origami-like fractal
complexity within other systems. It saddens me when simple communication
across this list is made more complex across the membrane of the readers'
egos. Much of what is said is said with no aim to inflame people, and yet,
without regard to that understanding, which I'd hoped was implicit, some
have taken to responding to superficialities, rather than letting their
egoes relax and realizing that meaning only comes from the individual. Words
only offend if one wants to be offended. I switched to lurker-mode when I
felt that my communiques were being misinterpretted and thrown back at me in
the form of vitriolic claptrap. I'd hate to see that become the permanent
condition of this group that I'd hoped had so much to offer. In
short--there's some jets need chillin out there. This time it started with
religion, last time politics. All it takes is one word read with the wrong
inflection and some are willing to run off their personal affronts faster
than Roger Bannister doing the fifty on pcp. In short--can we all get along,
or should I look to a second grade origami group to edify me in a better
mannered way?

All the best to all y'all - c!!! (back to lurking)

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From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 20:20
Subject: Re: Oral origami!

In a message dated 11/20/99 4:41:12 PM Central Standard Time, anine20@USA.NET
writes:

<<
 I was tipped that in the David Letterman show which will be send on monday at
 9.00 in the morning CET there's gonna be a man doing origami with his tongue
 O_O. It's on a Swedish channel called ZTV.
 Something to watch?
  >>

I think I saw that on STUPID HUMAN TRICKS.... although what I witnessed would
be more aptly deemed " oriGUMMY.

It wasn't actual origami, but it was still quite impressive to see him "fold"
a dolphin, etc... out of gum with his tongue.

"DARE TO MOLD!!!"





From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 20:30
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

I personally have always been taught that to ridicule another for their beliefs
     or to trash
another religion was totally uncool.  However, on the same hand to be so openly
     rude as to
invite that kind of response from other is just as bad. Get along.  This whole
     thing started out
because it offended some one, well guess what?  I am now offended that it has
     gotten so out
of hand that personal attacks are made amongst others and then religion (on the
     whole and
then a specific one) because of tempers flaring and attitudes getting people
     all riled up.

I have made it a point not to publicly display me religion, as have others, but
     this goes beyond
free speech to immaturity and prejudice.

Elaina

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From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Nov 1999 21:27
Subject: Re: was re: celtic knotwork...now, who can say?

You're right Chris I'm sorry for letting anger get the best of my
judgment.  I've been feeling like everyone just takes advantage of me and
treds all over me recently and I'm tired of seeing a few people dominate
over others with just a bit of bad attitude.  I got angry when I read an
email that openly insulted people, so I started bitching.  That just made
things worse, other people started bitching and Xandra simply started
taunting us, then Scott started bitching at me just because he could and
it just keeps getting worse.  But this is what it's really about: I'm only
directing my anger out at you guys but it really has nothing to do with
religion or even what Xandra said.  I'll stop bitching now.  But it's just
not my problem I'm angry that this list so incredibly bad that this fall
there has been very few interesting origami topics.  You people aren't
saying stuff that interesting.  Do you guys fold origami or just
occasionally talk about while you're not sending unimportant emails not
related to it with the list.  I admit the same happens for me that's why
my emails have dropped off this fall.

How's this for actual origami:

I've folded a Fuse box several days ago that has a little pinwheel in the
center and I was wondering how can you generate a pinwheel pattern that
repeats itself as many times as you want?

HAPPY FOLDING!

David





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 01:21
Subject: Re: Nativity

Hi I have started working on a nativity set, no not designing, folding!
I have been trying to use models from every country I can instead of all
from one designer or even one country!  So far I have my favorite angel
from Origami Omnibus By Kasahara, then I am using Steven O'Hanlons sheep
(from the net page), and a Mary from an Italian author, I regret I can't
give the authors name but I could read it off of the the diagrams, but I
am sure I got it through someone in the CDO! Still working on the other
animals and Joseph not to mention a few wise men!  Has any one else
tried to compile a nativity scene from all over?

Perry (who said we don't talk Origami)
--
"Hope is a little thing
with feathers
perched in the soul all day,
it does it's little business
and then it flies away!"

Victor Buono from "It could be verse"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Stephen Tran <stephogami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 02:37
Subject: Bookmark Unsuccessful!

Help, somebody save me!

For the past few days, I've been going to all the wonderful Origami sites
which everyone has been suggesting.  I would bookmark the page by copying
the site to my "Favourites."  For some bizarre reason, when I access it
today, it states that there was an error and I can't seem to get anyone's
web page.

Anyone still have some of there favourite sites handy?  The one that really
stood out was the series of Star which you can make (100 steps) and produces
the most exquisite results.

Joseph, dude, are you reading this???  Help me out buddy.

*Paper-man*

Thank you all!

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 04:08
Subject: Origami Angels

Doug Philips wrote:
>
> My favorite angel model is Neale Elias' (Snip)

My favourite is the angel by Dokuohtei Nakano, published in
Robert Harbin's 'Origami 3'. It has an inverted cone-shaped opening at
the bottom, ideal for slotting the tip of the Christmas tree. It also
makes a beautiful hanging decor for the Christmas tree when folded from
pastel coloured foil.





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 04:30
Subject: Santa Claus in Manchester

Sorry Nick, but it has to be told....

Yesterday in our Minimeeting in Manchester we broke with tradition and
the "better" folders departed to do their own thing. After I sort of
taught Elias' Angel Nick "Cheesyeas" Robinson taught a Santa Claus
figure by Ted Normington. The diagrams were not as they could have been
saith Nick, after admitting to being the proof reader! Anyway the
conversations twisted and turned until the line to end all lines was
uttered....

Remember that cock-up we made earlier? Go back to it again as we cocked
it up again!

Well at least we made a Santa with 3 beards and not with 3 co..... no,
that's not needed!

--
Mark





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 04:36
Subject: Perceptions

Hello!
Christopher Holt wrote:
"It is only our system of perception that determines what we see as chaotic
and what we see as ordered..."

While I don't want to go quoting the whole message again, I'd like to say
that I agree that a lot depends on the way we perceive things, both
intellectually and emotionally.

One of the things I enjoy about the list is that people can express
themselves openly and spontaneously, yet the e-mail medium allows me to sit
back and consider what has been said and what I'd like to answer, before
actually doing so. It allows me to think about how I relate to other people
without immediately reacting like I might do in direct confrontation. It
seems to me a great chance to learn a lot more things than just where can I
get diagrams or how do I solve the difficulty folding step number 27.

Like in every area where people interrelate, there are rules to respect,
and as everywhere it happens time and again that someone slips up, for
whatever reason. But there are also enough people who are tolerant enough
so that the someone can get back onto his/her feet and we can all get back
to the current subject(s) instead of wasting everybody's time with
pointless messages.

I, for one, appreciate this chance and should like to thank everyone who
makes it possible.

All the best,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 04:36
Subject: Re: Nativity

Perry asks whether any one else has compiled a Nativity scene.

Well, I started with Ligia Montoya's Creche from Harbin's "Secrets of
origami" - but I modified Mary to suit myself; slightly modified the
Shepherd to make Joseph and one of the Three Wise Men; invented a Baby
Jesus, an Angel, a Donkey and a Wise Man of my own; added the Praying Moor
from the same book as the third Wise Man; added a dromedary by Yoshizawa
(3x) to go with the three Wise Men; added the Ox, the Ram and the Dog from
Montroll's Chinese Zodiac models. I also added the figure of a little girl
(originally Little Red Riding Hood by Toshie Takahama). Yoshizawa also has
figures for snow children (?) which I'd like to add, but I can't get them
to stand properly. I might add more figures if inspiration suggests it...

Howzat for a compilation? Three continents represented... by the way, are
there any African folders out there?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:21
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

It's not me!!!!!!

ROB





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:32
Subject: Triple-bearded Santa Claus seen in Manchester

Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET> sez

>Well at least we made a Santa with 3 beards

OK, so Santa is generally considered to have 1 beard, but who's to say
he hasn't actually got two more tucked away somewhere? Teaching a model
generally requires you to "know it backwards", but it was clear to all
that I didn't even know it forwards! It was sprung on me at the last
minute though...

The diagrams were *technically* correct & when I proofread them, I was
totally familiar with the sequence. Coming back to it a year later, a
particular move was so unclear I got it wrong twice! Moral - let someone
who doesn't know the model proof-read diagrams!

We got there in the end though...

merry xmas indeed!

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 13:27
Subject: Re: Origami Angels

There's a nice one in Origami Omnibus as well. I think that it's the last
figure in the book.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Koh [mailto:ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 1:08 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Origami Angels

Doug Philips wrote:
>
> My favorite angel model is Neale Elias' (Snip)

My favourite is the angel by Dokuohtei Nakano, published in
Robert Harbin's 'Origami 3'. It has an inverted cone-shaped opening at
the bottom, ideal for slotting the tip of the Christmas tree. It also
makes a beautiful hanging decor for the Christmas tree when folded from
pastel coloured foil.





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 13:33
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

Will all of you on this thread please take it outside already. I know that
it says NO in the subject, but I'm not sure if I could think of a more
inappropriate place for religious discussions than on this list!

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Elaina Quackenbush [mailto:elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 5:30 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

I personally have always been taught that to ridicule another for their
beliefs or to trash
another religion was totally uncool.  However, on the same hand to be so
openly rude as to
invite that kind of response from other is just as bad. Get along.  This
whole thing started out
because it offended some one, well guess what?  I am now offended that it
has gotten so out
of hand that personal attacks are made amongst others and then religion (on
the whole and
then a specific one) because of tempers flaring and attitudes getting people
all riled up.

I have made it a point not to publicly display me religion, as have others,
but this goes beyond
free speech to immaturity and prejudice.

Elaina

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From: Peg Barber <m.m.barber@ATT.NET>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 15:42
Subject: Re: Cellophane?

I have made a Brill's bottle out of thin mylar.  I put
one of Patricia Crawford's 3-masted ships in it and gave
it to a freind who is a sailing buff.  See archives for
details on this that gave me the idea to do this.  The
mylar had a tendency to split if I folded it too
sharply.  On the other hand, if it wasn't folded firmly
enough, it had a tendency to completely unfold, so it
was a bit tricky.

I know this isn't cellophane, but I imagine it might
have the same tendency to split or tear if folded
sharply.  Hope this helps.

Peg Barber
m.m.barber@att.net





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 16:45
Subject: Re: folding with cellophane

I haven't folded with cellophane by itself...except for the tail of a
peacock once...but I have used it layered on top of plain thin  white paper
(with a small piece of dbl face tape to hold it in place til it's folded
in)and it is beautiful to behold...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/tayster97/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:41
Subject: Re: Nativity

Julia,
At 10.32 21/11/1999 +0100, you wrote:
>Perry asks whether any one else has compiled a Nativity scene.
...........

Just to remind that Luigi Leonardi has published a whole book dealing with
Santa Claus and Nativity Scene:

"Presepe e Babbo Natale in origami" by Luigi Leonardi (Il Castello, Milan,
Italy)

If anyone is interested, I can check for actual price and give help to
purchase the book.

Roberto





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:41
Subject: Re: Cellophane?

Elise,
At 07.00 21/11/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody folded with cellophane? The examples in Origami for the Connoisseur
>are attractive, but what about the folding traits? What can you fold with
>it?

Sara Giarrusso has tried it, mainly for boxes and geometric shapes. Contact
her at <papersar@tin.it>.

Roberto





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:49
Subject: A Complaint

Jerry Harris wrote:

 Yeah, _this_ is what we need on this list -- two people bitching
openly.  What is this, New York City On-Line?!?  Too bad the list isn't
moderated...  "OK, people, move along, nothin' ta see here, move along...=

Well, Jer, it seems to me that two people bitching could occur in just about
any city in the world.  Nothing like stereotyping a whole city and giving
credence to that old canard that New Yorkers are rude and pushy.  I guess you
never have been to an OUSA convention or otherwise you would have seen that
New York is downright friendly.  The two people involved in that rant most
probably don't even come from New York, so please cool it on the New York
bashing.

Now, can you do something about those damn dinosaurs you put in on all your
posts that turn out as nothing but gibberish?

Andrew Hans





From: Cindy Walker <cw@JPS.NET>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:35
Subject: Viva Origami devil

Would it be possible for someone to send the diagrams for the Viva Origami
devil to me?  If I could buy the book so the author would be compensated I
would.  I so much want to fold that devil.

Cindy





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:29
Subject: NO: Southern Christmas

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Doug Philips wrote:

> And what is winter without snow?

Speaking of *Christmas* without snow.

The only kind I know! :-}. Christmas with my family usually consists of a
summer lunch (BBQ, or seafood in the past), lizard imitations in the
shade, plenty of cold beer, and usually a trip to the closest waterhole
for a swim.

Holiday cheers!

regards
Michael





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:46
Subject: Re: Nativity

Afew other places you may source nativity figures:

Ian Mitchell's site:
http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/origami/origami.htm

Kunihiko Kasahara
"Creative Origami" - from memory, models include sheep, angel,
baby-in-crib, shepherd?

David Brill
"Brilliant Origami" - three wise men, star and of course the flasher
(little-known attendant of nativity, who is now written out of retellings
due to bad taste)

regards

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Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:46
Subject: Re: A Complaint

Jerry you should have said it's like two dinosaurs bitching at each other
and then put your sig, that would have been funny!

David





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 01:13
Subject: Re: Triple-bearded Santa Claus seen in Manchester

Nick,
At 16.53 21/11/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET> sez
>
>>Well at least we made a Santa with 3 beards
>
>OK, so Santa is generally considered to have 1 beard, but who's to say
>he hasn't actually got two more tucked away somewhere?

Look under his armpits, you'll be surprised......

<:-D

Roberto





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 02:02
Subject: Re: NO:RE: was: Religion and Origami (long)

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>It's not me!!!!!!
>
>ROB

That's what they all say until we apply the squash folds...

Matthias 'nobody expects the Origami Inquisition' Gutfeldt





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 02:23
Subject: Organizing Origami Diagrams

I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?  All
hot tips greatly appreciated!

Dorothy





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 03:43
Subject: [Fwd: simple boat]

Who can answer this question?

Please send your answer to EASYPC4KID@aol.com directly.

-------- Original Message --------
From: EASYPC4KID@aol.com
Subject: simple boat
To: M.J.van.Gelder@KVI.nl

I've got to teach a class how to make something in 15 mins and need
instruction on something simple. I learnt to make a simple 5 fold boat
when I
was a child but can't remember who taught it to me or if it is
cataloged. Can
you help ??





From: Mirjam Van Vroonhoven <mirjamv@THEOCHEM.KUN.NL>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 03:50
Subject: Re: Buckyballs,

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Phil and Amy wrote:

>I get the Origami-L in the digest form, so I don't even get to view the
>attachment.  It gets incorporated into that digest as a HUGE string of
>characters. I would like to see it, so if anybody knows how I could extract
>it and view it, I'd be ever so grateful.  I don't think just cutting and
>pasting it would work...

One other way is to send an
  set origami mime
command to the listserver (LISTSERV@mitvma.mit.edu). This sends you the digest
in mime-format, with each individual mail as a mime-attachment, and you also
get attachments as real attachments.

Greetings,

Mirjam.
--------
E-mail:           mirjamv@theochem.kun.nl
Homepage:         http://www.theochem.kun.nl/~mirjamv





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 04:07
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

I got a filebook with a set of alphabetical separators, and file my prints
and photocopies by alphabetical order of creator's names. This works
fine...

So go figure why I can't keep my Important Papers as tidy as that...<sigh>

Happy filing,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 04:34
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Who can answer this question?
>
>Please send your answer to EASYPC4KID@aol.com directly.
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>From: EASYPC4KID@aol.com
>Subject: simple boat
>To: M.J.van.Gelder@KVI.nl
>
>I've got to teach a class how to make something in 15 mins and need
>instruction on something simple. I learnt to make a simple 5 fold boat
>when I
>was a child but can't remember who taught it to me or if it is
>cataloged. Can
>you help ??

Wow, he sent you something that at least resembles a complete mail! All I got
from this guy was 'I need to make a boat with only 5 steps can you help??'

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 04:45
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
>come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?  All
>hot tips greatly appreciated!
>
>Dorothy

The problem is that if you organise them by model name, the next time you
search for it you won't find it because you forgot how it's called,  and this
time you really just need a model for christmas so you'd wish you'd filed them
by subject... and if you organise them by subject, you'll forget what subject
you put for that cute little frog, so you'll wish you'd organised by name...

I think with so many diagrams, the only solution that will keep you happy in
the long run is to use some kind of computerized database. A fine example of
how useful this can be is the one that Julius Kusserow created for the online
diagrams. It's hosted at Joseph Wu's site. No matter whether you search by
category, model name, or creator, it's likely to show up a suitable model.

For offline purposes, any old database program will do, or any bibliography
software. It takes an initial investment of time and effort to learn the
program and create the database, but in the long run you will save LOTS of
time.

Which reminds me, I should start categorizing the diagrams I'm using for my
classes... it's only some thirty diagrams now, but that list is likely to
grow.

Matthias





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 22 Nov 1999 06:50
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

In a message dated 11/22/1999 2:23:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET (Dorothy Engleman) writes:

> I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
>  come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?

Aloha Dorothy,

I'd suggest an indexed, random order, random access scheme.
Rather than try to come up with an organization, start with a
simple system for cataloging the diagrams in whatever order
they happen to be in, and filing them in binders in that order.

>From the catalog, you can then generate tables of contents,
find individual diagrams, and generate sorted lists by title or
creator, or whatever you want.

First, beg, borrow, or buy enough three-ring binders, and either
a three-hole punch, or if there is no margin or you don't want to
mar the diagram, then boxes of the plastic sheet protectors
with a pocket that holds the sheet, and a separate margin for
the three holes.

Then, as you're filing the diagrams in the book, mark them with
the binder and diagram number, and use whatever database
software you have handy, if necessary there is a nifty feature in
both Word and WordPerfect, called Tables, or use a
spreadsheet, and create a list as you go, of the diagrams,
including the binder number, diagram number, model name,
creator, and any other columns of interest. You can always add
additional columns later when you think of a new need. And you
can leave blanks or questionmarks where you don't know or
don't have the time to fill in something.

You could type up the list after filing the diagrams in binders,
or in longhand intending to copy it to the computer later,
but it's better to do it right away, and on the computer from
the first, at least in my experience. (I've got way too many lists
that are still waiting to be typed up, because I started them
before I learned this method, or I was to lazy to use this
method. (<heavy sigh> Oy! "Too soon old, too late smart!")

The database, spreadsheet, or wordprocessor program should
allow you to re-sort the table by any column, like author or title.

The binder number and diagram number are to (a) make it easier
to find the diagram, and (b) allow you to re-sort the list into
original order and create tables-of-contents for your binders,
at will.

If you later decide to pull out, say, all the dragons, and put them
in one binder, it would be relatively easy to find them, and update
your lists, and tables of contents.

By the way, whichever program you use to make the lists, it's
a good idea to leave a blank column, for later use when sorting
stuff out. For instance, in the dragon example, you can run thru
the original tables, putting an x in the extra column for each
diagram you want in the new binder, then sort on that column,
and all your marked rows will be conveniently in one clump.

With this method, you can add diagrams and/or binders without
having to rearrange the diagrams you've already filed. The
disadvantage is that you may have to go to several binders,
and flip a lot of pages to see a set of diagrams you want.
But the database and tables of contents will make it relatively
easy to browse, and find something.

You might want to make it easier to flip thru the binders, by
either marking the first page of the diagrams of a model with
a colored marker or a sticky-note or maybe stapling the
pages together.

By the way, where did you inherit the diagrams from?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:12
Subject: Re: Origami Angels

Ronald Koh indited:
> My favourite is the angel by Dokuohtei Nakano, published in
> Robert Harbin's 'Origami 3'. It has an inverted cone-shaped opening at
> the bottom, ideal for slotting the tip of the Christmas tree. It also
> makes a beautiful hanging decor for the Christmas tree when folded from
> pastel coloured foil.

It looks OK, but I cringe when an instruction says (Paraphrasing since its not
in front of me now):
        Use tweezers to form the face.

ARG.

But otherwise it looks to be a nice model.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:19
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

Dorothy Engleman inquired:
> I seem to have inherited several hundred xeroxed diagrams.  Has anyone
> come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?  All
> hot tips greatly appreciated!

Having read the responses so far, I'll put forth the scheme I use.

I keep a set of (re-used) 3 ring binders. I splurge and use the top loading
sheet protectors, which have three ring binders holes in the protector. This
way if the paper has diagrams right up to the margin I don't lose them, and I
don't risk the papers tearing or the holes breaking through to the margin. It
also means I can archive smaller and random sized papers by just slipping them
into the sheet protector. As I use top-loading protectors I have to be careful
not to turn the binders upside down, but I never seem to do that with binders
in general so it hasn't been an issue (and there is enough static electricity
holding the papers in the protectors that it can be a pain to the back out
anyways.

I keep the binders organized by subject, which is my most frequent way of
accessing them. One binder for mythical creatures. One for birds, one for
geometric objects, one for insects, and one for animals. I'm getting close to
overflowing the mythical creatures (it was a smaller binder to start with).
Within each binder I keep the models in alphabetical order, mostly. All the
dog diagrams are indexed under dog, all the eagles under eagle, etc.

        -D'gou





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:45
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET> sez

> Has anyone
>come up with clever organizing schemes for their loose diagrams?

I use one of those boxed folder jobbies, with each folder marked from A-
Z. The diagrams are then stored under whichever initial letter I might
remember - Norminton, Rose, etc. I can then *usually* find things with
no more than two attempts.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:47
Subject: NO:RE:Canadian words

>Strictly speaking from the word-building point of view,
>"other-language-speakers" should be called "barbarophones"

    Does this make those who speak of microbiology "cellular phones"?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 22 Nov 1999 11:19
Subject: Re: Organizing Origami Diagrams

Organizing loose diagrams? I put them in 2 gallon plastic bags (ziploc) and
label each one at the top by category.  Fish, boats, birds,  flowers, pkg
diagrams, Holidays, etc. and put them alphabetically standing up (so that I
can see the labels) into one of those plastic bins that you buy nowadays. I
can find what I need easily.  I find this works well.  Share your ideas with
the rest of us on this subject.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:01
Subject: NO:RE:Canadian words

Scott Cramer wrote:
Does this make those who speak of microbiology "cellular phones"?

No - "microphones"!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:04
Subject: Re: [Fwd: simple boat]

At 09:42 99/11/22 +0100, you wrote:
>Who can answer this question?
>Please send your answer to EASYPC4KID@aol.com directly.
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>I've got to teach a class how to make something in 15 mins and need
>instruction on something simple. I learnt to make a simple 5 fold boat
>when I
>was a child but can't remember who taught it to me or if it is
>cataloged. Can
>you help ??

That sounds like Toshie Takahama's 5-fold yacht which can be found in Paul
Jackson's book, "Classic Origami".

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