




From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@EIEE.UNIVALLE.EDU.CO>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 16:01
Subject: ORIGAMI COLOMBIA 99 - REPORT

ORIGAMI COLOMBIA 99

by Jos Tomas Buitrago
Asociacin Vallecaucana de Origamistas
Cali - Colombia

About seventy people gathered in the Origami Colombia 1999, the
third Colombian origami meeting. It was in Cali from November 12th to
14th, 1999. It was organized by the Asociacion Vallecaucana de
Origamistas. It was an international event and mainly latinamerican.
There were people from Ecuador, Dominican Republic and United States.
Frenado Proao, from Ecuador, president of the Club de Modelismo Riobamba,
showed his creations related to the Galapagos Islands fauna. Jos Rafael
Sosa from Dominican Republic, better known as To Jos (Uncle Jos),
taught about the origami application in group dynamics and how to use
origami in the theater; also, he released the second edition of his book
"Origami Simple y Sencillo". Isi Esteva, Tio Jos's wife, amazed the
attendees with her miniature models. Jeremy Shafer from United States,
with his personality, showed his creations, many of them with movement and
delighted the people with his juggling show.

Colombia has its representation with Daniel Duarte, Misae Ono, Gonzalo
Gamboa, Leandro Silva, Andrs Fernando Snchez, Temilda Milln and Germn
Cabrera, a magician who made a show in the closing ceremony, from Bogot.
>From other regions were attendees Willyman R. Cardona from Marinilla,
Antioquia, Jos Luis Naranjo from Manizales, Jorge Andrs Cock from
Medelln, Roberto Segovia from Pamira, Fernando Jacobo Sabogal from Yumbo,
Rosa Elena Cheng from Buenaventura and Hiplito Pabn from Yotoco.

Some statistics
The total number of attendees was 67. 27 women and 40 men. There were 17
children and the support group was conformed by eight people.
The age range were between 7 and 62. The average age was 30. There was 9
between 17 and 25 years old, 19 between 26 and 35 years old, 10 between 35
and 45 years old, 11 between 46 and 58 years old and two older than 60.
There were 35 first timers, 17 attended to the three meetind and 15
attended two of them. There were four overseas, seven from Bogot, three
from Antioquia and Caldas region, 48 from Cali and five from other
Vallecaucanian cities.

How were those three days?. Many camaraderie and integration. Many things
to see in the exhibition. Many people from different countries were
participants, Francis Ow from Singapour, Grupo Gaditano de Origami from
Spain, Rogelio Cerda from Chile, Kimberly Shuck and Jeremy Shafer from
United States, Fernando Proao from Ecuador and Isi Esteva's miniatures
from Dominican Republic; for Colombia the participants were the creators
Ary Romero, Jos Arley Moreno, Jos Tomas Buitrago, Constanza Castro,
Gustavo Noguera, Hiplito Pabn and Willyman Cardona, and the models
folded by Gildardo Estrada, Misae Ono, Germn Cabrera, Gonzalo Gamboa,
Jos Luis Naranjo, Davinson Tulande, Blanca Libia Moreno and Elsy
Jeannethe Bello.
Also the children Jonathan Rodrguez, Andrs Fernando Snchez, Fidel Ral
Lpez and Jos Arley Moreno Jr. exhibited theiri models and many from
famous creators.

The meeting location was the Stella Maria School, a very homelike place.
>From that school participated six of its teachers. Each attendee received
the Annual Collection, in two volumes (147 pages) with diagrams from
United States, Hungary, Singapour, Russia, England, Spain, Ecuador, Chile,
Dominican Republic and Colombia, many quality paper sponsored by two
paper factories, Marden and Propal, a button and all of them in a paper
bag sponsored by Colombates. There were ecological quotations written in
the bags. The refreshments were given by Alpina and Disa.

As usual, in the Colombian Meeting, the attendees can choose their classes
from a model menu, according their foldinf level. It generated two big
groups, beginers (the simple classes) and advanced folders (the intermedia
and complex classes). That was the reason of the camaraderie.  There were
six simultaneous classes. Some of the teachers were Jos Arley Moreno,
Jeremy Shafer, Mnica Rodrguez, Willyman Cardona, Ary Romero, Gildardo
Estrada, Gustavo Noguera, Constanza Castro, To Jos, Isi Esteva, Temilda
Milln, Gonzalo Gamboa, Daniel Duarte, Fernando Proao, Jos Tomas
Buitrago, Misae Ono and Ana Zuleima Aulln. 64 classes and 17 teachers.
Many original colombian models were taught, models fron famous folders and
some techniques like miniatures, how to keep your models in different kind
of packing and ways to apply origami in different fields like education
and group dynamics.

But not all the time there were formal classes, in the free exchange the
people folded in an informal way afterhours. Every night was brightened up
many shows, on Friday night Jeremy Shafer juggled and To Jos combined
songs with origami. On Saturday night Jeremy showed his spendid crane on
fire and Mr. Smile. Later, Jos Arley Moreno received a mention about his
work in the Colombian origami. On Sunday noon, the traditional piata,
made from a modular model, one for children and the other for adults.
There were many fun, prizes and pictures. In the night, it was the closing
ceremony, the magician Chandini had his show, the certificates were
distributed, the Club de Modelismo Riobamba condecorated the organizers
Jos Arley Moreno and Jos Tomas Buitrago. Then, Jeremy Shafer has his
debut dancing salsa and to the end the picture session, model exchange and
messages and signs in the event posters. All the attendees had the best
remembrances and experiences of the meeting.

This report is short, it is very difficult to tell all the thing in some
lines, the best way is to attend Origami Colombia 2000. It will be held in
Cali on November 10th, 11th and 12th, 2000. You are invited to come and
see what fun origami can be in Colombia and South America.

Cali, November 17th - 1999.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 16:19
Subject: BOS diagram exchange page revamped

Following a slight increase in my cgi abilities, I've improved the looks
of the BOS diagrams exchange page (where you, gasp, advertise for
diagrams that you want! The "guestbook" & "books wanted" will follow
suit as soon as I find time. All previous adverts have been removed, so
please re-enter any that are still current. Entries are now numbered and
dated (technology - wow!) and will be removed after 3 months, or on
request.

I did notice some idiot had filled one with lengthy rubbish - if any
Perl programmers out there have any suggestions as to how I can screen
out *complete* nonsense, I'd be grateful for hints.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 17:36
Subject: Re: A plea to Robert Lang-- bunnies!

on 99/11/17  Scott wrote to Rob Hudson

>So the gift wrap was a success! Way to go!

Scott, Do not fold ahead of the diagrams.

hobbit





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 17:44
Subject: Sv:      Celtic Knotwork & Origami

Tia Julia wrote

>"Celtic art: the methods of construction" by George Bain,
>and certainly doesn't have anything to do
>with origami (except maybe for mathematicians).

But I the G & G of The North
am not a mathematician, neither is the old Geezer,
but he knows simple geometry as it was used by the
Celtic Calligraphers of the Lindis Farne Gospel ,
and he too has used the 8 pointed star that is created by
using the diagonals (celebrating my love for SQR 5)
in all the possible half squares in a square
to get the uneven and even divisions needed
and used for their Celtic plaited Knotwork.

He has used it for many years and I have urged him
to show you some of the places where he is using
this very useful dividing tool in his Origami,
both for folding and when designing diagrams.
Although the folding sequence is still under construction
have a look at the preparation of the Creasepattern
of the trihedral wall in his version of the Delian Problem.
http://www.thok.dk/delian.html
http://www.thok.dk/lindis1.html
http://www.thok.dk/lindis2.html
and
http://www.thok.dk/earhang.html

Greetings from The G & G KOTN
(this abbreviation gratefully received from Scott Cramer)
.tool for dividing their are exam





From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 18:05
Subject: Re: oups

Scott,
sorry I forgot the smile ;-)
>Scott, Do not fold ahead of the diagrams. {put smile here}

hobbit





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 18:47
Subject: Someone had to start this thread soon....  sorry...

It's now only a few weeks until December I think it's time for the thread....

"Are there any Christmas origami models diagrammed on anyone's web pages i.e.
ornaments, stars etc"

In my case Im trying to find online diagrams for a 3D Xmas tree (heck i'll be
honest Id settle for a 2D one ;)  While there may be a little over 5 weeks
till Xmas theres only 2 until it's time to decorate the office.

Dave-S

Oh and if anyone's interested the team building exercise went off rather
well, the TL has flu so I had the whole team making buckyballs and half a
dozen of the other polyhedra in 'Origami for the Connoisseur'. The horsey was
just far too difficult considering my 3-4 days experience with the sonobe
unit. Still perhaps a few polyhedra in festive colours would make nice
baubles for the tree... If I made a few that weren't the size of beachballs





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 20:42
Subject: Re: Someone had to start this thread soon.... sorry...

>From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Someone had to start this thread soon....  sorry...
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:46:03 EST
>
>It's now only a few weeks until December I think it's time for the
>thread....
>
>"Are there any Christmas origami models diagrammed on anyone's web pages
>i.e.
>ornaments, stars etc"
>
>In my case Im trying to find online diagrams for a 3D Xmas tree (heck i'll
>be
>honest Id settle for a 2D one ;)  While there may be a little over 5 weeks
>till Xmas theres only 2 until it's time to decorate the office.
>
>Dave-S
>
>Oh and if anyone's interested the team building exercise went off rather
>well, the TL has flu so I had the whole team making buckyballs and half a
>dozen of the other polyhedra in 'Origami for the Connoisseur'. The horsey
>was
>just far too difficult considering my 3-4 days experience with the sonobe
>unit. Still perhaps a few polyhedra in festive colours would make nice
>baubles for the tree... If I made a few that weren't the size of beachballs
>:) )

     I have created a snowman for the holiday season but I'm not sure when I
will be done with the diagrams for it.  If you are interested I would be
glad to send you diagrams one they are finished.

Thanks
Collin Weber

PS where are the diagrams for the Bucky Ball I've seen pictures and I rally
like it.

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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 21:31
Subject: Re: horse diagram

Hi Stephen, I also have seen a diagram of a unicorn, i tried to fold it but
my group members decided that it doesn't really look like a horse they have
in mind =-(
Thanks for your help.
Tiffany

>From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: horse diagram
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:50:32 PST
>
>It's not really a horse, but Ive got diagrams for a unicorn on my web page.
>I suppose the horn can always be surgically excised and the tail trimmed :)
>
>Stephen
>
>www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800
>
>or
>
>fast.to/origami
>
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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 21:39
Subject:

Anita Barbour has snowman/snowwoman, which I thought were one her
website, but it appears they are somewhere else. She does have a
Champagne bottle on her site, if yer in a mood to make something
festiva!

-D'gou

P.S. Anita's site is:
        http://www.ulster.net/~spider/origami.htm





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 21:54
Subject: christmas decorations

I believe Glenda Scott has some decorations on her Fabric Origami site:

http://www.owt.com/gdscott/

One of my favourite books for christmas decorations is "Magic of Origami"
by Alice Gray and Kunihiko Kasahara. Many of the ornaments are simply
waterbomb bases and preliminary folds put together in different ways - so
simple that you could probably replicate a number of the designs just by
have a play with these two types of folds.

Also try the following site, with links to other pages:

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~vbeatty/origami/folding/holiday.html#Christmas

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 22:08
Subject: Apology and correction (Fw: Rectangular Boxes)

Dear friends:

I made a wrong credit in my previous posting. My sincere apology to Ms. Gay
Gross.She is indeed the original storyteller of the magazine box. The story
is one of my favorites to teach beginners. For those who are interested
please read the following email for detail.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Gay Merrill Gross <paperteller@hotmail.com>
To: sychen@EROLS.COM <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:08:37 -0500
Subject: Rectangular Boxes

>Dear Sy,
>
>I am not on the origami-list, but someone forwarded to me a comment you
made
>to the list on November 4, 1999 regarding "The Brothers Long and the
>Brothers Short" story. If no one has already done so, could you kindly post
>the following correction to the origami list:
>
>
>In a previous posting (11/4/99) you mentioned that I had learned "The
>Brothers Long and the Brothers Short" (a story that teaches how to fold the
>Magazine Cover Box)from Tom Hull. This is not correct as I am the author of
>that story. The story was written by me (Gay Merrill Gross); it is the
first
>origami story I wrote and the first I know of to teach a folding sequence
>through a story sequence. It was first published in the 1984
Friends/Origami
>USA Convention Book and subsequently published in Anne Pellowski's
>compilation of stories, "The Family Storytelling Handbook" in 1987. What I
>learned from Tom Hull (via Tony Cheng) was how to fold a model: Shuzo
>Fujimoto's Pinwheel Base Collapse. I demonstrated both the box and the
>Pinwheel Base Collapse on a program several years ago so perhaps that is
why
>you have the credit confused.
>
>The Magazine Cover Box model I learned from Lillian Oppenheimer - it is one
>of the models she suggested teaching in a first lesson. Lillian in turn
>learned the model from Emily Rosenthal, a Froebel-trained kindergarten
>teacher who was instrumental in reviving Lillian's interest in paperfolding
>in the early 1950's. Emily learned the box in her childhood years in
>Germany.
>
>Addendum: Robin King says that if Tom Hull were telling the story he would
>call it: "Mr. X and Mr. Y"!
>
>
--- cut - snip - cut ---
>
>Gay





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 17 Nov 1999 23:37
Subject: Re: christmas decorations

From: Michael JanssenSubject: christmas decorations

> I believe Glenda Scott has some decorations on her Fabric Origami site:
>
> http://www.owt.com/gdscott/
==========================
Yes indeed.  One is a horse, which I mention since some have been asking
about horse patterns.  This one is VERY simple but makes a most attractive
ornament especially when a bunch of them are used.
JMS





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Nov 1999 00:00
Subject: Re: A plea to Robert Lang-- bunnies!

A supplicant wrote:

>>>>
Robert, If you're out there, can you provide a crude diagram or explanation
on how to do the funky spread-squash fold on your rabbit?
<<<<

I'm afraid I can't. You see, that's one of the models that was invented by
the Rob Lang that's always getting confused with me, and I still haven't
figured out how to fold it myself! You'll have to ask him. Sorry!

Robert J. Lang





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 00:56
Subject: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

Like others on this list I have had problems folding the mylar/plastic version
     of this stuff.  Has anyone found models that are successfully made of
     this.  I have a roll of it in the most gorgeous deep red that keeps
     glittering at me saying make me into s
 mething.  It is far too beautiful to actually wrap gifts with it.  Any
     suggestions?

Carol Martinson





From: "Jose J. Ramos" <josesuzi@DBCONNECT.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 02:58
Subject: Re: Seventeen Star Diagram

Thank You!!!  Your help is greatly appreciated....Jose
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:58:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Seventeen Star Diagram

This should do the trick:

http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/index.html

       Marion





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 04:02
Subject: Re: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

Would enforcing the crease with something slightly warm/hot make it stay?
(Not too hot or it would probably just shrivel up).

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Martinson [mailto:carolm47@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: 18 November 1999 05:54
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

Like others on this list I have had problems folding the mylar/plastic
version of this stuff.  Has anyone found models that are successfully made
of this.  I have a roll of it in the most gorgeous deep red that keeps
glittering at me saying make me into something.  It is far too beautiful to
actually wrap gifts with it.  Any suggestions?

Carol Martinson





From: Rick Beech <Ricknbeech@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 08:05
Subject: British Origami Magazine Issue 200

Dear Friends & Creative Paperfolders!!

Into the New Millennium, and February sees the publication of the British
Origami Society's 200th issue. As editor thereof, I invite you all to send me
your model diagrams, via Hard Copy, to 33 Ormskirk Rise, Spondon, DERBY DE21
7NU, England, as soon as
possible. The February issue will be a bumper offering of models, both new
designs, and
a collection of the 10 most popular folds, as nominated by our members.
Get your model diagrams in the post today!!

Fond wishes, Rick Beech.





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 08:42
Subject: Religion and Origami

Should we be concerned?

I feel that I am noticing origami being used more and more often to
advertise and promote religion.  More than once have I found a particular
religion using origami to entice new members.  When I visited Madison, WI,
recently to view the exhibit at the Memorial Union I noticed a table in
the campus square with a big sign saying, "Origami".  I went to the table
and found two very polite ladies hand me origami paper and proceed to show
me how to fold a traditional crane.  After I folded the crane and placed
it in a basket I read that they were attempting to collect 1000 cranes for
the purpose of promoting peace.  Then the ladies handed me a flyer that
stated they were members of a religion and invited me to a religous lecture
being held later that day in the Union.

Please understand I am not anti-religious.  Its just that I wonder how others
feel about this use of origami to advertice and promote religion or entice
new members.  Do we want the art of origami to become associated with religous
recruitment?  Do we want the "Folding of 1000 Cranes" to become a religious
symbol?  How would an origami-religion connection affect the perception of
origami in the minds of the general public?





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 09:08
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

I'm not particularly keen on religion but its like using any other 'craft'
to attract new members. With origami it is especially easy coz all you need
is a bit of paper.

You never know, some people may get introduced to origami as a hobby like
this (whether or not they actually go for the religion in question).

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Zander [mailto:dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET]
Sent: 18 November 1999 13:42
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Religion and Origami

Should we be concerned?

I feel that I am noticing origami being used more and more often to
advertise and promote religion.  More than once have I found a particular
religion using origami to entice new members.  When I visited Madison, WI,
recently to view the exhibit at the Memorial Union I noticed a table in
the campus square with a big sign saying, "Origami".  I went to the table
and found two very polite ladies hand me origami paper and proceed to show
me how to fold a traditional crane.  After I folded the crane and placed
it in a basket I read that they were attempting to collect 1000 cranes for
the purpose of promoting peace.  Then the ladies handed me a flyer that
stated they were members of a religion and invited me to a religous lecture
being held later that day in the Union.

Please understand I am not anti-religious.  Its just that I wonder how
others
feel about this use of origami to advertice and promote religion or entice
new members.  Do we want the art of origami to become associated with
religous
recruitment?  Do we want the "Folding of 1000 Cranes" to become a religious
symbol?  How would an origami-religion connection affect the perception of
origami in the minds of the general public?





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 09:12
Subject: Re: [Re: christmas decorations]

I can't find the diagrams on that page! Where are they?

Anine

James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote:
From: Michael JanssenSubject: christmas decorations

> I believe Glenda Scott has some decorations on her Fabric Origami site:
>
> http://www.owt.com/gdscott/
==========================
Yes indeed.  One is a horse, which I mention since some have been asking
about horse patterns.  This one is VERY simple but makes a most attractive
ornament especially when a bunch of them are used.
JMS

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From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 09:33
Subject: Fabric origami's horse ornament

From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>

I can't find the diagrams on that page! Where are they?

Anine
> http://www.owt.com/gdscott/
====================================
Once you get to the site, select FABRIC ORIGAMI from the menu along the top.
When that opens, select ORNAMENTS from the menu along the left side.  Then
click on the horsie (or whichever ornament you want).
The diagrams are great.
I did these at a workshop the other day with people who had never done
origami and it went quite well.
James





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 09:53
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

>>  Do we want the art of origami to become associated with religious
>>recruitment?  Do we want the "Folding of 1000 Cranes" to become a
religious
>>symbol?  How would an origami-religion connection affect the perception of
>>origami in the minds of the general public? <<

    If this really becomes an issue, a person could counter the influence by
setting up a table outside the church in question and teaching people the
Maekawa Demon. This would have the added bonus of convincing the
pro-religious folders that the craft itself is a black art... and that those
who can master such models are surely possessed.

    Perhaps we should beat them to the punch and start knocking on doors and
handing out diagrams...

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 10:43
Subject: Buckyballs,

The attachment is a diagram for the module required to make buckyballs. In
order to join the modules together keep in mind that one third will become
part of a 5 sided ring whilst the other  2 thirds will each become part of a
6 sided ring...
     |
  6 | 6
   /  \
  / 5  \

You can make around 32 Equilateral triangles from a side of A4 if you need to
know how to do this mail me. Incidentally sorry for filling up your mailbox
but I may not be around for a few days and I thought you might like the
diagrams.

Best Wishes
Dave.

P. S I was taught this method by someone a while back so it's probably in a
book somewhere ... so don't go putting the modules on a web page or anything,
or you'll get us both in trouble ;)





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 11:08
Subject: Re: [Buckyballs,]

Am I the only one who couldn't view the diagram?

Anine

Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM> wrote:
The attachment is a diagram for the module required to make buckyballs. In
order to join the modules together keep in mind that one third will become
part of a 5 sided ring whilst the other  2 thirds will each become part of a
6 sided ring...
     |
  6 | 6
   /  \
  / 5  \

You can make around 32 Equilateral triangles from a side of A4 if you need to
know how to do this mail me. Incidentally sorry for filling up your mailbox
but I may not be around for a few days and I thought you might like the
diagrams.

Best Wishes
Dave.

P. S I was taught this method by someone a while back so it's probably in a
book somewhere ... so don't go putting the modules on a web page or anything,
or you'll get us both in trouble ;)

> ---------------------------------------------
>       Attachment:Buckball.gif
>       MIME Type:image/gif
> ---------------------------------------------

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From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 11:18
Subject: Re: Buckyballs,

Damn!!!

Sorry that wasn't meant to goto the list, my e@mails playing silly buggers at
the moment... I sent that last e@mail to a hotmail address this morning.

All flames to be directed to Aol@aol.com... my e@mails full enough as it
is... ;)

Dave





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 11:36
Subject: Buckyballs, Geodesics

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:05 EST Dave Stephenson
<EruditusD@AOL.COM> wrote:

> The attachment is a diagram for the module required to make buckyballs.

The module called "little Turtle" in Fuse Tomoko's Unit
Origami lends itself particularly well to making Buckyballs
(Truncated icosahedra.) Actually, any dihedral edge module
will do...

For a true truncated icosahedron, 90 edge modules are
required.

Also...

I have developed a way to modify "Little Turtle" for use
with rectangular paper (of various lengths) so that true
multiple-frequency geodesic shapes can be built.

Geodesic shapes (popularized in the eclectic architecture
of R. Buckminster Fuller) are all based on either a
terahedron, octahedron, or icosahedron- the three "stable"
platonic solids. Further subdividing the shape by dividing
the prime facets of the component polyhedron into smaller
triangles results in a higher "frequency"; The frequency of
a given sphere (or dome)is equal to the number of
congruent segments that the struts of the primary structure
are divided into. The frequency also determines how many
different strut-lengths are needed to build the shape. For
example, a three-frequency octahedral sphere would require
108 struts of three different lengths, and the finished
sphere would have 72 triangular facets of three different
shapes.

The famous "Spaceship Earth" at Epcot Center at Walt Disney
World is an eight-frequency icosahedral sphere.

 More information on the geometry of geodesic shapes can be
found at:

http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domegeo.html

Chord factors (and lots o' math) for some dome types can be
found at:

http://www.netaxs.com:8080/people/cjf/fuller-faq-4.html

If I can elicit the help of my friends (You listening,
Doug?) I would be happy to diagram and post my modification
to "Little Turtle" so that you fellow modular origami
freaks can experiment with these shapes yourselves...Any
interested parties?

Happy (repetitious) folding!

     >K
----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:24
Subject: Maekawa's Demon

Speaking of religion and origami and Maekawa's Demon :

hey, where the heck can i get diagrams for that demon?

a search at OUSA found nothing.  this probably means it isn't anywhere
to be found.  i've seen the picture of that, i think in engel's book,
and i felt i just HAD to learn that one. it's just a very expressive
and whimsical model, i thought it was great.

his E.T. - uh, i mean his "Benevolent Alien" not associated with any
copyrighted character - is great too.  it took me a while but i figured
it out from the fold diagram in  Origami for the Connosieur.

as for jun maekawa, i love the few creations of his that i've seen.
i see that Kasahara's book "La Era Nueva" contains several of maeakawa's
models.  but i can't find any info on this book - is there such a text
still available anywhere?  and is this in spanish?  is there and english
or japanese version, and if so, what is the title.

thanks for any info.

-dan





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:32
Subject: Re: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

Maybe cut it into strips and weave it into Moravian Stars?

Gillian
>
>Like others on this list I have had problems folding the mylar/plastic
>version of this stuff.  Has anyone found models that are successfully made
>of this.  I have a roll of it in the most gorgeous deep red that keeps
>glittering at me saying make me into something.  It is far too beautiful to
>actually wrap gifts with it.  Any suggestions?
>
>Carol Martinson

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From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:32
Subject: Re: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

I had success with the fuse eight-pointed flower or star, directions for
which were sent by OUSA for the annual gift. However, I don't really like
the model. Not much help.





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:35
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

In a message dated 11/18/99 1:42:56 PM, dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET writes:

<< How would an origami-religion connection affect the perception of
origami in the minds of the general public? >>

I'm having fun folding Montroll's Zodiac. The idea originally from Buddha.
Excited that next year is the year of the dragon, and about watching the
New Year's dragon parade.  :)!
Dove's are a peace symbol in some religions. I think doves
would look great in trees, folded squirrels too, if not in the trees,
in bowls with chestnuts and walnuts, with cranes and dragons and stars
and angels, with devils on the front to door, like the gargoyles outside
churches. Anything that brings peace and hope in winter.
I've always liked cute gargoyles.
Does anyone know of any diagrams?
maybe one with a water bomb base
that can hold water? That would be perfect.
Sorry, I'm not being very serious, the reason is because I've had way
too much COFFEE this morning, and like feeding the squirrels with
peanut butter. Bad habit, I'm sure it's not good for them.
Happy Holidays,
Kelly





From: "Kevin A. Hines" <hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:51
Subject: Re: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

Mylar works okay for decorative boxes.
----------------------
Kevin A. Hines
hines@andrew.cmu.edu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 12:57
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

##Doug Zander wrote:
>>>  Do we want the art of origami to become associated with religious
>>>recruitment?  Do we want the "Folding of 1000 Cranes" to become a
>religious
>>>symbol?  How would an origami-religion connection affect the perception of
>>>origami in the minds of the general public? <<

And thus censorship rears its ugly head. Funny how "non-religious" types
always accuse the "religious" types of being narrow-minded.

Think about it: origami has long been associated with religion in Japan. The
word "kami" itself is a pun, meaning both "paper" and "spirit/god"
(different characters, though). What about the numerous models of mythical
creatures? What about the representations of zodiac characters (both eastern
and western)? What about the various books of "religious" origami already in
print (e.g. the "Jewish Origami" by our very own Florence Temko)?

Origami is an art (or craft, if you prefer). Barring obscenity (no, I won't
define that), libel, and other very circumscribed situations, who really has
the right to bar its use for certain purposes? Certainly, I would support
the right of a designer to bar the use of a particular design for a
particular purpose, but even that is difficult to do in practice.

##Scott Cramer replied:
>    If this really becomes an issue, a person could counter the influence by
>setting up a table outside the church in question and teaching people the
>Maekawa Demon. This would have the added bonus of convincing the
>pro-religious folders that the craft itself is a black art... and that those
>who can master such models are surely possessed.

I assume that your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek on that
suggestion, so I'll forgo further comment except to say that it's Maekawa's
"devil", not "demon".

>    Perhaps we should beat them to the punch and start knocking on doors and
>handing out diagrams...

That would imply that origami is a religion...oh, wait...I guess for some
people it is. 8)

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From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:07
Subject: Re: Buckyballs, Geodesics

Thank you. This has some very interesting links! Especially the image
of the dome made out of paper clips!, neat, but difficult I bet.
http://www.gtwn.net/~wgd/star_dome_2_model.html
I like this one, and am going to print and try to fold and TAPE one.
Kelly

In a message dated 11/18/99 5:06:26 PM, hines@ANDREW.CMU.EDU writes:

<< More information on the geometry of geodesic shapes can be
found at:

http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domegeo.html





From: David Taylor <dataylor@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:15
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

>Should we be concerned? I feel that I am noticing origami being used more
>and more often to advertise and promote religion.

Paper is available to all of us; eg, books are used to promote every
wonderful & maleficent doctrine there is, but I'll continue to read the
best I can find.
Those of us who are uncomfortable with the beliefs associated some projects
should still acknowledge the Eastern origins of paperfolding. For myself,
I'll continue folding whatever I enjoy & apply it to good purposes when I
get a chance.
--Elise





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:15
Subject: Re: Maekawa's Devil (was Demon)

At 12:24 99/11/18 -0500, you wrote:
>Speaking of religion and origami and Maekawa's Demon :
>
>hey, where the heck can i get diagrams for that demon?

The "devil" (not "demon" although that's what it is popularly misnamed by
Anglophobes) was originally published in "Viva! Origami". Edited by
Kasahara, the models are all by Maekawa.

>as for jun maekawa, i love the few creations of his that i've seen.
>i see that Kasahara's book "La Era Nueva" contains several of maeakawa's
>models.  but i can't find any info on this book - is there such a text
>still available anywhere?  and is this in spanish?  is there and english
>or japanese version, and if so, what is the title.

"Origami: La Era Nueva" is in Japanese, not in Spanish. It is part of the
"Viva! Origami" series (either book 3 or 4). The books in the series are:

1. "Viva! Origami"
2. "Top Origami" (from which "Origami for the Connoisseur" was derived)
3. & 4. "Origami: El Mundo Nuevo" and "Origami: La Era Nueva" (I forget the
order).
5. A new book which contains some "origamic architecture" in addition to
origami. I forget the title.

All of these books besides #5 are out of print, and I don't know if #5 is in
print or not.

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From: Peggy Van Norman <peggy@VANNORMAN.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:20
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

> Please send me a set of instructions for woven animal.  Dorothy Kaplan, 5
> Brookwood Drive.  Freehold, N. J., 07728......I will reimburse you for the
> postage.  Thanks, Dorigami

As I told the last couple of people, I've already sent out all the copies
that I'd made initially, so you will have to wait a bit until I can make
more.  I hope to get to it in the next week or two, and don't worry about
any reimbursement....it would make me happy if you would simply pass the
favor along to someone else at the next opportunity that presents itself.

Peggy





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:24
Subject: Re: Holographic paper - Mylar

I am in the same situation as Carol - got a couple of lovely rolls of
holographic gift "paper"... well, synthetic stuff which won't hold folds
(so I suppose it's Mylar).
I haven't tried yet, but I was thinking of laminating it with some thin,
crisp tissue paper. Has anyone tried this? If so, could you tell us whether
this might work?

All the best & happy folding,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:26
Subject: Re: Maekawa's Devil (was Demon)

Joseph Wu indited:
> The "devil" (not "demon" although that's what it is popularly misnamed by
> Anglophobes) was originally published in "Viva! Origami". Edited by
> Kasahara, the models are all by Maekawa.

That demon/devil model also showed up in a recent issues of Tanteidan
(published by JOAS) including the steps needed to get the shoulder horns/ears.
I don't have my issues here, but if you search the archives the details are
there.

> All of these books besides #5 are out of print, and I don't know if #5 is in
> print or not.

I bought my copy from Sasuga, it may be last spring, or last year, I can't
recall. You can find Sasuga on the web at:
        http://www.sasugabooks.com/

-D'gou





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:47
Subject: Re: British Origami Magazine Issue 200

Rick Beech wrote:
>
> Dear Friends & Creative Paperfolders!!
>
> Into the New Millennium, and February sees the publication of the British
> Origami Society's 200th issue. As editor thereof, I invite you all to send me
> your model diagrams, via Hard Copy, to 33 Ormskirk Rise, Spondon, DERBY DE21
> 7NU, England,            ^^^^^^^^^

Why would we want to send you diagrams by way of a sleezy, latenight,
tabloud journalism program?  I mean, when was the last time they did a
segment on origami anyway?

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:54
Subject: Fish base

Hi!

Where can I find diagrams for the fish base on the net?
I'll be waiting :)
Thanks in advance!
                       Anine

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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:32
Subject: Re: Buckyballs

Hello! I don't usually have problems with .gif files, but none of my
graphics programs can open Eruditus' "buckyball". Does anyone have a
suggestion?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:40
Subject: Re: Maekawa's Devil (was Demon)

At 10:09 99/11/18 -0800, I wrote:
>The "devil" (not "demon" although that's what it is popularly misnamed by
>Anglophobes) was originally published in "Viva! Origami". Edited by
>Kasahara, the models are all by Maekawa.

Julia Palffy pointed out that I made a typo: I mean "Anglophones", not
"Anglophobes". Sorry about that!

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:42
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

Joseph Wu wrote:
> And thus censorship rears its ugly head. Funny how "non-religious" types
> always accuse the "religious" types of being narrow-minded.
You had too much coffee too, eh?

Matthias, low on caffeine





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:47
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

At 20:40 99/11/18 +0100, Matthias wrote:
>Joseph Wu wrote:
>> And thus censorship rears its ugly head. Funny how "non-religious" types
>> always accuse the "religious" types of being narrow-minded.
>You had too much coffee too, eh?

No...not enough sleep, and I'm trying to counteract it with coffee...not
really succeeding...ZZZZZ. 8)
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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:57
Subject: Re: Religion and Origami

haha! isn't origami a religion? :P LOL
Xandra





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:01
Subject: Re: [Re: christmas decorations]

Click on Fabric origami at the top of the main page then click on the left
hand side ornament.. =) it should be the first one on the top left hand
click on it.. then click on the little link below the pic which says .pdf =)

hope you get it..
Xandra

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From: "Anine Cleve" <anine20@USA.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Re: christmas decorations]

I can't find the diagrams on that page! Where are they?

Anine

James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote:
From: Michael JanssenSubject: christmas decorations

> I believe Glenda Scott has some decorations on her Fabric Origami site:
>
> http://www.owt.com/gdscott/
==========================
Yes indeed.  One is a horse, which I mention since some have been asking
about horse patterns.  This one is VERY simple but makes a most attractive
ornament especially when a bunch of them are used.
JMS

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@MOEBIUS.INKA.DE>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:11
Subject: Re: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 09:54:26PM -0800, Carol Martinson wrote:
> Like others on this list I have had problems folding the mylar/plastic
> version of this stuff.  Has anyone found models that are successfully
> made of this.  I have a roll of it in the most gorgeous deep red that
> keeps glittering at me saying make me into something.  It is far too
> beautiful to actually wrap gifts with it.  Any suggestions?

Foil-backing?

http://www.papierfalten.de/en/articles/foil-backing.html

--
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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:24
Subject: X'mas Tree

I am wondering is there a real pretty X'mas tree diagram I can make out
there? I want to make one so I can put all my ornaments up on it that I
made.
Thanks a lot
Xandra





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:26
Subject: Re: Buckyballs

the pic was maybe attached wrong even I could not open it..
Xandra

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From: "Julia Palffy" <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Buckyballs

Hello! I don't usually have problems with .gif files, but none of my
graphics programs can open Eruditus' "buckyball". Does anyone have a
suggestion?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:03
Subject: Re: Buckyballs,

    The gif, when downloaded, did not show up.  First I got the "x" box and
then it gave me 100 pages of gibberish.  Could you try sending them again?

<<<<<<<<<
The attachment is a diagram for the module required to make buckyballs. In
order to join the modules together keep in mind that one third will become
part of a 5 sided ring whilst the other  2 thirds will each become part of a
6 sided ring...
     |
  6 | 6
   /  \
  / 5  \

You can make around 32 Equilateral triangles from a side of A4 if you need to
know how to do this mail me. Incidentally sorry for filling up your mailbox
but I may not be around for a few days and I thought you might like the
diagrams.

Best Wishes
Dave.

P. S I was taught this method by someone a while back so it's probably in a
book somewhere ... so don't go putting the modules on a web page or anything,
or you'll get us both in trouble ;)





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:12
Subject: [NO] Re: Religion and Origami

In a message dated 11/18/1999 12:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kellydunn2@AOL.COM writes:

> Dove's are a peace symbol in some religions.

Actually, tho I might be wrong about this, I think they started out
as animal sacrifices, and cheap ones at that, and are still used
as such in some religions.

With Jesus being a (symbolic?) sacrifice in the Christian religion,
the Dove then becomes a symbol for Jesus.

With Christianity's change from a martial religion to a religion of
"Peace" (but see also "pacification"), the dove then becomes a
symbol of Peace.

Coming from a slightly different tradition, the Crane as a symbol
of Fidelity, Longevity, and Good Luck, becomes the Origami
Crane as a symbol of Good Luck and Happiness and Festivity,
then Good Health and also magical wish fullfillment.

Then after World War II and the story of Sadako and the Thousand
Cranes, it becomes co-opted as a symbol for Peace, by the
political Peace movement(s).

The Origami Crane, being a very stylized bird, then gets entangled
as a symbol, with the Dove as a symbol of Peace and Happiness.

Think of the Christian symbol of the Cross, originally a
representation of a torture and execution device, and a
reminder of a death, mutating to the symbol of the Holy
Roman Empire and its armies, then to the symbol of the
Crusaders vs. Islam, and woe to anyone caught between
them, and somewhere in there, picking up the Death
symbolism again, as in Christian grave markers, then to
the modern Christian symbol of Peace and Joy, at least
between Christians of the same denomination, in spite
of the purging of the Irish Catholic church, the
Albigensians/Cathars, the Spanish Inquisition, ...
down to the current ethnic cleansing in Serbia, and the
continued "troubles" in Ireland, ... *sigh*.

Also the interesting mutation from the Roman Catholic
Cross to the Swastika in Nazi Germany, drawing on
the Thor's Hammer, Lightning, and Four Seasons/Four
Directions symbols, with maybe a touch of the
Egyptian Ankh symbol of Life, stirred in for good
measure.

Fortunately, Origami is relatively symbol-neutral and
not attached to any one religion. See also the
published Origami for the Star of David, Yin-Yang
symbol, Buddha, Lotus, Star, ... .

Personally, I like the symbolic uses of Origami, with
all its associations, good and bad, of joy and sorrow.
This is our cultural heritage, our history, and I
suspect it would be dangerous to allow losing it
or suppressing it.

I do admit to being startled at finding "The Water Torture"
as a fold in a Spanish language children's Origami book,
but that impressed on me like nothing else, the deep
impression the Spanish Inqusition made on Spain's
culture. While I'm still not sure it is such a good idea
in a children's book, I wouldn't want to ban it.

Sorry for going on about this, I'm free-associating again,
I guess. The historical, psychological, memetic, magical,
and magickal aspects of Symbols is one of my interests,
buried somewhere with Calligraphy, Writing Systems,
Graphics, Advertising, ... .

Speaking of which, I wonder how much of writing was
invented or re-invented by women? We'll probably never
know, but I find it curious that the Japanese native Kana,
both Hiragana and Katakana, derive from systems of
womens writing, from periods when women were not
allowed to learn to read and write, and that there is also
at least one Chinese womens language written with their
own characters, developed under similar conditions.
Did this happen anywhere else? Is there maybe an Arabic
womens script, or an Asian Indian?

On the other hand, the Korean Hangul syllabary is either
the invention of am Emperor of Korea or of a commission
appointed by him, I'm not sure which, and the Cherokee
Syllabary was invented by a Cherokee, without knowing
any of the phonetic values for the English letters he was
inspired by. And the Cyrillic Alphabet was designed by
Greek Orthodox monks, and it shows.

But where did Ethiopean, Runic, and Ogam come from?

And were all the scribes that created Egyptian Demotic
script, and the various Asian Indian and Arabic scripts
exclusively men?

Also, whatever happened to the South American tribe
whose captured wives refused to learn their husbands'
language, causing the tribe to have two separate
languages for the sexes?

And what became of the whistle language of, I think,
the Canary Islands?

The more I know, the less I know, and the more questions
I have.

And can anyone cite the source for the nonsense riddle

Q: Why is a mouse when it spins?
A: The higher, the fewer.

and the second riddle that, supposedly, goes with it?
I haven't been able to remember it for years.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:18
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Religion and Origami

hmm I though I was in a origami mailing list.. when has this became a
religion mailing list??
Xandra

----- Original Message -----
From: <Kenny1414@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 1:09 PM
Subject: [NO] Re: Religion and Origami

In a message dated 11/18/1999 12:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kellydunn2@AOL.COM writes:

> Dove's are a peace symbol in some religions.

Actually, tho I might be wrong about this, I think they started out
as animal sacrifices, and cheap ones at that, and are still used
as such in some religions.

With Jesus being a (symbolic?) sacrifice in the Christian religion,
the Dove then becomes a symbol for Jesus.

With Christianity's change from a martial religion to a religion of
"Peace" (but see also "pacification"), the dove then becomes a
symbol of Peace.

Coming from a slightly different tradition, the Crane as a symbol
of Fidelity, Longevity, and Good Luck, becomes the Origami
Crane as a symbol of Good Luck and Happiness and Festivity,
then Good Health and also magical wish fullfillment.

Then after World War II and the story of Sadako and the Thousand
Cranes, it becomes co-opted as a symbol for Peace, by the
political Peace movement(s).

The Origami Crane, being a very stylized bird, then gets entangled
as a symbol, with the Dove as a symbol of Peace and Happiness.

Think of the Christian symbol of the Cross, originally a
representation of a torture and execution device, and a
reminder of a death, mutating to the symbol of the Holy
Roman Empire and its armies, then to the symbol of the
Crusaders vs. Islam, and woe to anyone caught between
them, and somewhere in there, picking up the Death
symbolism again, as in Christian grave markers, then to
the modern Christian symbol of Peace and Joy, at least
between Christians of the same denomination, in spite
of the purging of the Irish Catholic church, the
Albigensians/Cathars, the Spanish Inquisition, ...
down to the current ethnic cleansing in Serbia, and the
continued "troubles" in Ireland, ... *sigh*.

Also the interesting mutation from the Roman Catholic
Cross to the Swastika in Nazi Germany, drawing on
the Thor's Hammer, Lightning, and Four Seasons/Four
Directions symbols, with maybe a touch of the
Egyptian Ankh symbol of Life, stirred in for good
measure.

Fortunately, Origami is relatively symbol-neutral and
not attached to any one religion. See also the
published Origami for the Star of David, Yin-Yang
symbol, Buddha, Lotus, Star, ... .

Personally, I like the symbolic uses of Origami, with
all its associations, good and bad, of joy and sorrow.
This is our cultural heritage, our history, and I
suspect it would be dangerous to allow losing it
or suppressing it.

I do admit to being startled at finding "The Water Torture"
as a fold in a Spanish language children's Origami book,
but that impressed on me like nothing else, the deep
impression the Spanish Inqusition made on Spain's
culture. While I'm still not sure it is such a good idea
in a children's book, I wouldn't want to ban it.

Sorry for going on about this, I'm free-associating again,
I guess. The historical, psychological, memetic, magical,
and magickal aspects of Symbols is one of my interests,
buried somewhere with Calligraphy, Writing Systems,
Graphics, Advertising, ... .

Speaking of which, I wonder how much of writing was
invented or re-invented by women? We'll probably never
know, but I find it curious that the Japanese native Kana,
both Hiragana and Katakana, derive from systems of
womens writing, from periods when women were not
allowed to learn to read and write, and that there is also
at least one Chinese womens language written with their
own characters, developed under similar conditions.
Did this happen anywhere else? Is there maybe an Arabic
womens script, or an Asian Indian?

On the other hand, the Korean Hangul syllabary is either
the invention of am Emperor of Korea or of a commission
appointed by him, I'm not sure which, and the Cherokee
Syllabary was invented by a Cherokee, without knowing
any of the phonetic values for the English letters he was
inspired by. And the Cyrillic Alphabet was designed by
Greek Orthodox monks, and it shows.

But where did Ethiopean, Runic, and Ogam come from?

And were all the scribes that created Egyptian Demotic
script, and the various Asian Indian and Arabic scripts
exclusively men?

Also, whatever happened to the South American tribe
whose captured wives refused to learn their husbands'
language, causing the tribe to have two separate
languages for the sexes?

And what became of the whistle language of, I think,
the Canary Islands?

The more I know, the less I know, and the more questions
I have.

And can anyone cite the source for the nonsense riddle

Q: Why is a mouse when it spins?
A: The higher, the fewer.

and the second riddle that, supposedly, goes with it?
I haven't been able to remember it for years.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Mary Stansbury <MSTANSBU@SLIS.KENT.EDU>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:20
Subject: Re: X'mas Tree

I believe I've seen a Christmas tree in either Kenneth Ody's _Paper
folding and paper sculpture_ or Hiroshi Ogawa's _Forms of paper_.
The one I've seen is not origami, but you cut paper so that a tree
"unfolds" (kind of like a spiral cut ham).  You can make the tree any
size you want.

Mary Stansbury, PhD
Assistant Professor
Kent State U. - SLIS
Phone:  330-672-2782





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:26
Subject: Holograhic Paper - Mylar Version

I have spray glued the mylar to Florist Foil and regular foil origami paper.
Once laminated, it folds nicely. I have noticed a tendency for the plastic
back florist foil to separare which requires additional spray glue.

I have liked any of the Michael LaFosse butterflys in this duo-paper.
Alfredo Guinta's dragonfly from Origami gli Insetti (please excuse my
rendition of Insect in Italian if I screwed up). I have tried Joesph Wu's
When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly  as well.

General I like the mylar on dou-paper models where it is used as an accent.
I have seen Omega Stars fold out of it that were spectacular.

Enjoy,

Mark
