




From: Peggy Van Norman <peggy@VANNORMAN.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:50
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

Kalei wrote:

> Anyway, it started me thinking about other models those side strips might
be
> used for so I began searching the web for the woven fish and bird models
to
> try. Several hours of searching over a few days turned up directions for a
> few variations on ribbon roses, a pinecone from palm leaves and some links
> to discussion group threads that mostly said, "Oh, yes I remember the fish
> (or bird) I learned it as a child." but no diagrams. I am hopeful that
some
> one on the list might be able to direct me to a book or a site that has
> these diagrams.

I had the same problem, I remembered these birds/fish from my childhood and
occasionally saw them at bazaars or gift shops, but I never found
instructions for them.  I could have saved you those many hours of
searching - BTDT!  But then my brother and SIL receieved a wedding favor
made with a small ribbon bird (I think they were dangling from a pair of
ohashi), and by eyeballing it I was able to recreate it.  I made my own
wedding favors from a ribbon bird, gold or silver rings, and a "thank you"
scroll, and they were a big hit.  After teaching a couple of people whom I'd
met online how to make the bird (I think it was in alt.weddings.favors or
something like that), I received a photocopy of a small Chinese booklet with
instructions for making other ribbon animals (frog, goldfish, giraffe, fish,
dragonfly, butterfly, grasshopper, pineapple, mouse), handwritten
instructions for a ribbon ornament, and a photocopy of an old American
crafts magazine (The Workbasket) with instructions for the bird and fish.

That's the extent of my ribbon animal "library" and while I do searches
every now and then for more diagrams, I've never found any online.  But I
did see a book recently auctioned off on eBay where the photo showed that it
contained instructions for a woven fish.  I printed the page so that I could
compare it to the instructions I already have.  Anyway, write to me
privately, and I will send you copies of what I was so generously given :-).

Peggy





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:54
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

  Hi-

  Check out the Paper Nicknacks site for patterns for strip folding ;

http://members.aol.com/cinkmirror/instrution/pow1.htm

  Hope this helps.

           Marion Riley





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:03
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life

>I finally got my copy of Montroll's new book and I'm quite surprised.  It is
>very different.  I think the theme is wetfolding Right?  Is he respnding to
>the distaste of anti-montrollists and their complaints against flat animal
>models?  I really like it especially the coyote!
>
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I'm a sell out!  After the Avid Reader said that the book wasn't published
yet, which of course I didn't believe at all I walked down to Borders and
they had it on the shelf so I had to buy it!!

Anyhow I must say that this must be his best book ever!  It's incredible!
Montroll seems to use a minimum of folds to bring out 3d shapes, postures
and vivid detail yet all the models are simple, elegant.  Wow!  It's like
he took the best traits in all his previous models to use in one.

To Collin: I don't think this is Montroll's response to needing non-flat
models, many of his models in other books are 3d as well, just take a look
you'll see.  For instance Origami Sculptures is almost entirely 3d folds.
Anyway I think this is glorious attempt at getting rid of those ugly seams
that you see in many of his models with that yucky white stripe.  It's not
open back anymore baby!  No more open sinks on the back, no more yucky
white stripes just gorgeous models.

I'm also pleased that there are actually photos of the finished models in
this book.

So what do other people think about Bringing Origami to Life?

David





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 00:53
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

Many thanks to everyone for their help. I was also informed that there is
also a woven bird model at the CDO site:

http://195.31.193.71/cdo/modelli/mese0599.html

and I hope that Marion won't mind that I put the missing "c" back into her
link below.

Marion:
>   Check out the Paper Nicknacks site for patterns for strip folding ;
>
> http://members.aol.com/cinkmirror/instruction/pow1.htm

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
http://www.monumental.com/klundber





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 06 Nov 1999 01:06
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

In a message dated 11/5/1999 10:54:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
marion-r@WEBTV.NET writes:

>   Check out the Paper Nicknacks site for patterns for strip folding ;
>  http://members.aol.com/cinkmirror/instrution/pow1.htm

Correction, the URL is
    http://members.aol.com/cinkmirror/instruction/pow1.htm
(you missed the "c" in "instruction").

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 06 Nov 1999 05:48
Subject: Books by Robert Harbin.

The following is a posting I have sent to rec.arts.origami.

I thought that members of Origami-L might find it useful.

David Lister.

                      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To rec.arts.origami   re Beginner Seeks Adivice   6Nov99.

On 3rd November Lukas-Fabian Moser recommended a beginner to start with a
book by Robert Harbin, but didn't know whether any of his books were still
available.

On 5th November, Bruce Lewisohn also mentioned his old copy of Robert
Harbin's "Teach Yourself Origami" which was published over 30 years ago. He
said he thought that it was Harbin's first publication.

The following is a short summary of books written by Robnert Harbin about
paperfolding.

Robert Harbin's first paperfolding book was, in fact, "Paper Magic" which was
published by the OldbourneBool Company, a division of Express Newspapers
Limited, of London, in 1956.  A paper-backed edition ws published by
J.Maxfield Limited for many years, but appears to have gone out-of-print only
in the past two or three years.

Harbin's second book was "Secrets of Origami", originally published in 1963
by the Oldbourne Book Company. It was reprinted in another hard-backed
edition by Octopus Books in 1971, but was for long out-of-print.  A new
paper-backed edition was published by Dover Books Inc. of New York in 1997.
This has corrections to the instructions and a new Introduction and new
Preface. It is still readily available available.

Harbin's "Origami, Step-by-Step" was published in a hard-caked edition by the
Hamlyn Publishing Group in 1974. It is notable for including many of Patricia
Crawford's models. Dover Books Inc. have also recently republished this book
in a paper-backed edition and it, too, is readily available.

"Teach Yourself Origami, the Art of Paperfolding" was originally published as
a hard-backed edition by The English Universities Press, a division of Hodder
and Stoughton Limited in 1968. A paper-backed edition under the name
"Origami, The Art of Paperfolding" was published by Hodder Paperbacks in
1968. The following year the title was changed to "Origami 1" and the book is
best-known under that title.

"Origami 1" was followed by "Origami 2", "Origami 3", and  "Origami 4", all
of them issued in paper-back by Hodder Paperbacks. "Origami 4" was published
in 1977. Soon after is was published, Hodder and Stoughton were taken over
and with  change of policy the whole series was discontinued.  Consequently,
few copies of "Origami 4" were ever sold and it is now eagerly sought after
by collectors. "Origami 3" is also quite difficult to obtain second-hand.

In 1980, Hodder and Stoughton reissued "Origami 1" , still as a paper-back,
in their Teach Yourself Series, with a new historical intoduction. It remains
in print today. Unfortunately the other three books in the series have not
been reprinted in Great Britain.

"Origami 1" and "Origami 2" were reprinted as paper-backs in the United
States. "Origami "! is now published in the United States by Harper
Perennial, with the new historical introduction. It goes under the title:
"Origami, The Art of Paperfolding". "Origami 2" was published in the United
States by Barnes and Noble Books, a division of Harper and Row in 1982 with
the title "New Adventures in Origami". I do not know whether it is still in
print. So far as I know, "Origami 3" and "Origami 4" have never been
published in the United States.

A hard-backed edition of "Origami 1" with coloured plates was issued in 1973
under the title "Illustrated Teach Yourself Origami" by Brockhampton Press,
another division of Hodder and Stoughton

Various numbers of the series have been published in French (in Canada), in
German, in Italian and in Hebrew and perhaps in other languages. Two
shortened booklets were published in Swedish. Some of the foreign-language
editions may still be available. I believe this is true of all four books in
Hebrew. I understand that "Origami 4" in this series is slighly shortened,
but this is one way of obtaining a copy of the coveted "Origami 4". Needless
to say, a knowledge of Hebrew is not necessary to follow the diagrams.

The only other book by Robert Harbin solely devoted to paperfolding was "Have
Fun with Origami", published in both hard-backed and paper-backed editions in
1975 by Severn House Publishers Ltd. in conjuncion with Independent
Televeision Books Ltd. It contains many simple models sent in to Robert
Harbin in the course of his origami series on the Independent Television
"Look-In" programmes for children

Robert Harbin also wrote one or two other books either solely about
paperfolding or containing paperfolding, but the above are the main books for
the serious paperfolder. His "Paper Folding Fun" (Oldbourne, 1960), despite
its title, disappointingly contains very little paperfolding, but is a book
of paper tricks and puzzles and paper-cutting.  "Party Lines" (Oldbourne,
1963) is another collection of tricks and puzzles or a more general kind and
not confined to paper. However, it contains a short section on origami with
eight models and also sections on Handkerchief Tricks and Napkin-Folding.

Robert Harbin wrote other books, mainly devoted to conjuring, which was his
own profession, but they do not contain paperfolding.

If anyone has any further information about books containing paperfolding by
Robert harbin, I should be very pleased to hear form him or her.

Davide Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 09:35
Subject: Thanks Rectangular Boxes

Thank you to all the people who sent me suggestions
about finding diagrams for rectangularly shaped boxes,
especially to those who described folding methods and
to the person who said they were meeting with Tomoko
Fuse and would ask her.

The person who requested help finding diagrams is a
lady who has been folding in isolation all her life.
A coworker and I had stopped in her shop on the way
back from a work event, and I was being teased about
the lack of origami books there.  She spoke up that
she had never met anyone else who folded origami and
in the course of the conversation and mini-folding
session, asked if I knew of any diagrams for
rectangular shaped boxes.  These suggestions will
allow me to suggest a small variety of boxes.

Now, if I can only find some other origami addicts in
the Duluth area to put her in contact with.  The Twin
Cities are three hours south of Duluth and all the
other outstate people I know about are south of the
Twin Cities, so they would be four to six or more
hours away from Duluth..

Thanks again (and if you still happen upon more
rectangular boxes, I would be even more grateful).

Carol Martinson

=====

__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com





From: Deborah Miller <jpm14@CORNELL.EDU>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 10:22
Subject: Re: Catelogue folding

>
>I am interested in learning more about catalogue foldings.  Can anyone direct
>me to other people who might be of help?  Any information would be
appreciated.
--
Marty-
        When I was in junior high school art (decades ago) we folded Readers
Digests page by page into trees and bells for Christmas decorations.  The
folded magazine was then opened, (glued?, paperclipped?)and spray painted
green or red to complete the look.  It was fun, then.  Unfortunately I do
not remember the folds.
Deborah





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 12:28
Subject: Re: Thanks Rectangular Boxes

I found the diagram for the shuttle box or magazine box or simple box:
http://www.paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/box.gif
It is diagrammed by John Smith.
The same model inspired my boat model:
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/boats/index.htm

Happy folding!

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 12:28:28 -0500
Subject: Thanks Rectangular Boxes

>Thank you to all the people who sent me suggestions
>about finding diagrams for rectangularly shaped boxes,
>especially to those who described folding methods and
>to the person who said they were meeting with Tomoko
>Fuse and would ask her.





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 17:52
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: mathematicians

>more mathematicians would have replied to this thread but it was
>too late for them: the rigour set in and they are frozen in place in front
>of their keyboards!!!

Well, David, twenty years ago, at the University of Minnesota, the same
building was shared by the math and the mortuary science (!) departments.

Someone, undoubtedly a mathematician, put up a sign in the lobby that
said "rigormortis." The "rigor" part of the sign had an arrow pointing to
the math department and the ""mortis" part of the sign pointed to the
mortuary science department.

-Jane





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:55
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

> So what do other people think about Bringing Origami to Life?
>
>  David Whitbeck

I think it would be really great if amazon.co.uk could send me a copy of the
damned book. It's weird if i'd ordered through .com the book would be shipped
within 24hrs, through UK It will ship in 3-5 weeks "IF" they can get a copy
... growl ... seethe...

I still love the way they state you can pre-order the book and they'll send
it out to you as soon as it's published. Obviously "2 MONTHS" before release
isn't enough. I sincerely hope that whoever's in charge of purchasing at
Amazon is whipped naked through the streets of wherever they are based and
then promptly shot for the betterment of mankind O :D

Dave-(Not having a good week)-S





From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:47
Subject: Re: Lang's Moose (Was Re: Lang Chameleon)

>The *MOOSE* was taught at the SOM2, maybe you should visit SOM3
>next year!

Hello!

If the moose was taught at SOM2, are there any diagrams for it?? Does anyone
have them if there are? And well, of course, would you be willing to copy
them for me? Or trade diagrams or something? I would love to fold this
moose, it is one of my favorite looking models! Just wish I could fold the
thing. Thanks for any help!

Jake Crowley
jakecrow@hotmail.com

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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 20:40
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

>From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)
>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:55:01 EST
>
> > So what do other people think about Bringing Origami to Life?
> >
> >  David Whitbeck
>
>I think it would be really great if amazon.co.uk could send me a copy of
>the
>damned book. It's weird if i'd ordered through .com the book would be
>shipped
>within 24hrs, through UK It will ship in 3-5 weeks "IF" they can get a copy
>... growl ... seethe...
>
>I still love the way they state you can pre-order the book and they'll send
>it out to you as soon as it's published. Obviously "2 MONTHS" before
>release
>isn't enough. I sincerely hope that whoever's in charge of purchasing at
>Amazon is whipped naked through the streets of wherever they are based and
>then promptly shot for the betterment of mankind O :D
>
>Dave-(Not having a good week)-S

I got mine yesterday through Amazon in the US

Collin Weber

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From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 21:44
Subject: Re: Lang's Moose (Was Re: Lang Chameleon)

*Does anyone
*have them if there are? And well, of course, would you be willing to *copy
*them for me? Or trade diagrams or something?

Me too! Anyone have them?

>From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Lang's Moose (Was Re: Lang Chameleon)
>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:46:22 PST
>
>>The *MOOSE* was taught at the SOM2, maybe you should visit SOM3
>>next year!
>
>
>Hello!
>
>If the moose was taught at SOM2, are there any diagrams for it?? Does
>anyone
>have them if there are? And well, of course, would you be willing to copy
>them for me? Or trade diagrams or something? I would love to fold this
>moose, it is one of my favorite looking models! Just wish I could fold the
>thing. Thanks for any help!
>
>Jake Crowley
>jakecrow@hotmail.com
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 23:06
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

Hey Dave did you know that both Borders and bn has it in stock?  You could
order it from one or the other and give Amazon uk the  well you can guess.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 06 Nov 1999 23:15
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: mathematicians

That's funny, speaking of eccentric mathematicians does anybody know of
anybody that's actually as eccentric and obsessed as that mathematician in
the movie Pi?

David

>>more mathematicians would have replied to this thread but it was
>>too late for them: the rigour set in and they are frozen in place in front
>>of their keyboards!!!
>
>Well, David, twenty years ago, at the University of Minnesota, the same
>building was shared by the math and the mortuary science (!) departments.
>
>Someone, undoubtedly a mathematician, put up a sign in the lobby that
>said "rigormortis." The "rigor" part of the sign had an arrow pointing to
>the math department and the ""mortis" part of the sign pointed to the
>mortuary science department.
>
>-Jane





From: Roman Snytsar <rsnytsar@VRPILOTS.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 06:16
Subject: Virtual Origami announced a page of the week!

ParallelGraphics has announced VR Pilots Club a 3D Page of the week.
http://www.parallelgraphics.com/htm/en/prod/index.html?cort/cort_best.html

Please take a look at our Virtual Origami project pages
http://www.vrpilots.com/origami - updated recently!

Regards,

Roman Snytsar rsnytsar@vrpilots.com

VR Pilots Corp. http://www.vrpilots.com
Virtual Galaxy, Origami Jurassic Park and more





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 11:15
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

    LONG LIVE ERUDITUSD!!!! I completely agree with you.  I ordered my copy
from B&N a couple months ago and still dont have my copy. I am now going
insane!
                        A slightly derranged,
                             Ian McRobbie





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 12:13
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

June,
At 09.00 5/11/1999 EST, you wrote:

>The numbers at the bottom of the back cover read:
>    ISBN4-916096-32-0 C2072 2472E
>
>The books retails in Japan for 2,472 yen which amounts to about US$25.00.
>
>Also the title is "Joy of Origami" not "The Joy of Origami".  Not sure if
>that makes a difference?
>
>Good luck in finding a copy!

This book (among many others) is in the CDO catalog at:

http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/magazzino/index.htm#libri

But please note thas the sale of books and paper is reserved to CDO members
;-)

Roberto





From: Krystyna i Wojciech Burczyk <burczyk@MAIL.ZETOSA.COM.PL>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 12:54
Subject: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

I have updated my web page. Report on 2nd Scandinavian Origami Meeting
was uploaded. Start from
http://www1.zetosa.com.pl/~burczyk/index-en.html
and follow "What's new" ("something new") or "Events" link.

For all non-participants:

Look and regret not having been there.
Lang's moose was the logo of the convention (you can see a photo on my
page).
Robert Lang taught it and the diagram is published in convention book.

For all participats:

Thank's for enjoyable time. See you next year.
If you can enhance my report by additional photos or comments I put on
my page any extension with pleasure.





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 13:06
Subject: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

>Lang's moose was the logo of the convention (you can see a photo on my
>page).
>Robert Lang taught it and the diagram is published in convention book.

The moose looks great.  Can the convention book be ordered?  Or are
the diagrams available anywhere else??

-Joel Hoffman
(joel@exc.com)





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:12
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

>    LONG LIVE ERUDITUSD!!!! I completely agree with you.  I ordered my copy
>from B&N a couple months ago and still dont have my copy. I am now going
>insane!
>                        A slightly derranged,
>                             Ian McRobbie

But it's in stock, oh wait a minute are you from a country that happens to
be not US?  You know I bet it will take a lot longer for the book to arrive
in other countries, but that's just my theory.

David





From: "L. Hayashi" <lmh@COMPUSMART.AB.CA>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:19
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

Hi,

I ordered my copy through Chapters (Web site)  and I have had my copy for well
     over two
weeks.
This was in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

Thought you would have received yours by now.

L





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:38
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

So what are your opinions of the book?  Come on people I'm interested in
what you all have to say about the book.  I do know that only a few have
received their copies but still that's alot more than the people have
replied to this thread.  Put your lazy assed fingers on the keyboard and
start typing.

David





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 07 Nov 1999 16:03
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

    I like this book very much and think that it may be one of Montrolls
best.  My favorites are the coyote and horse with rider.  The duck and swan
though simple, are elegant (don't start the artistic vs. complex or the
realism thread because of this!!).

<<<<<<<
So what are your opinions of the book?  Come on people I'm interested in
what you all have to say about the book.  I do know that only a few have
received their copies but still that's alot more than the people have
replied to this thread.  Put your lazy a**ed fingers on the keyboard and
start typing.

David





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 17:05
Subject: NO: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

In a message dated 07/11/99 02:54:41 GMT Daylight Time,
coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

> I got mine yesterday through Amazon in the US
>
>  Collin Weber
>

>Thought you would have received yours by now.
>L

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHH!!!!

Well I think it's time for me to give up on amazon... Now does anyone know of
a online retailer based in the UK that has the book in stock?

Ive just had a look and it appears that there's anything upto a $30 shipping
charge from the US to the UK which is really weird as from UK to US it's only
2.95 plus 2.00 per book for the same service (5-7 days, I know amazon.com
do a cheaper version at $4.00  but with a 2-12 weeks... )

Dave-S





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 17:27
Subject: Whats a Jackstone

On the topic of best/most complicated model someone said that at one point
everybody folded Skillsons Jackstone to prove their folding abilities. I have
one question, what's a Jackstone?

So far I've only found one picture of it on the net and I still don't know
what it is:(

Dave-S

P. s As of tomorrow I should be the proud owner of 'Origami for the
Connoisseur' thus I shall be a happy and less psychotic Dave ... for a little
while anyhow ... ;)





From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 17:33
Subject: Re: NO: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM> writes:

> Well I think it's time for me to give up on amazon... Now does
> anyone know of a online retailer based in the UK that has the book
> in stock?

No.  Have you tried contacting Bookends (official supplier to BOS)?
<URL:http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/supplies/index.html>.





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:10
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

In a message dated 11/7/99 4:32:52 PM Central Standard Time,
EruditusD@AOL.COM writes:

<< On the topic of best/most complicated model someone said that at one point
 everybody folded Skillsons Jackstone to prove their folding abilities. I have
 one question, what's a Jackstone?
>>

I found this in the archives: (David Lister posting)

For those who do not know it, the Jackstone is a cube with a pyramid on each
of the six faces, and it is folded from a single uncut square of paper. (I
wonder, in fact whether "hexatetrahedron" is strictly the correct name for it,
because the six pyramids each has four triangular faces and a square base.)
The model resembles the jackstones whch children used to use in the game of
"Jacks", I have not seen the game played in recent years and wonder if it is
still popular. Jack Skillman sent  several of his paper-folded jackstones to
Lillian Oppenheirmer at the Origami Center, with a set of instructions he had
devised. But the model was much too tricky for Lillian or anyone else at the
Origami Center to fold: this was right outside their own kind of comparatively
simply models. Nor did they find Jack's instructions much use.

RS





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 07 Nov 1999 20:46
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

couldn't this be thought of as an octahedron?





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 21:50
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

David,

   I like it very much (especially the closed backs), the dog and
apatasorous have been big hits with everyone I made them for, but I am stuck
on the final steps of the hippo; I can't get the head to form correctly....
Anyway, I have set it aside for a bit;  the Tanteidan convertion books 3,4
and 5 just arrive d in the mail and I'm gearing up to make the Bahamut (the
name of which I believe to be rooted in Hebrew, meaning animalistic,
wildness, viciousness).

Shalom

-----Original Message-----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:50:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

>So what are your opinions of the book?  Come on people I'm interested in
>what you all have to say about the book.  I do know that only a few have
>received their copies but still that's alot more than the people have
>replied to this thread.  Put your lazy assed fingers on the keyboard and
>start typing.
>
>David





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 21:56
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

The Jackstone is published in Harbin's "Origami 2", AKA "New Adventures in
Origami" and is by Jack Skillman.  The model is tricky in that it involves
quite a bit of pre-creasing and then reversing of precreases in the center of
the model, and eventually collapsing it in pre-creases.  IMHO it's a neat
model, but not tremendous.  Chris Palmer's geometric folds are much more
challenging and satisfying, I think..





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 21:56
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life

Collin,

>>  I think the theme is wetfolding Right?

I certainly can be, though I achieve the same affect using foil backed
paper.

>>  Is he respnding to the distaste of anti-montrollists and their
complaints against flat animal models?

I can't understand that complaint; I have made many of his models from
"Chinese Zodiac etc." and "Origami Sculptures" 3D; there are very nice 3D
3-headed dragon, dachshound and Unicorn sitting on the top of my cubicle at
work ( along with some Brill pieces - dragon and dogs ).

Shalom





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 07 Nov 1999 22:59
Subject: Re: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

Wojciech wrote:

>>>>
Look and regret not having been there [2nd Scandinavian Origami Convention].
Lang's moose was the logo of the convention (you can see a photo on my page).
Robert Lang taught it and the diagram is published in convention book.
<<<<

Lest Wojciech (and subsequently I) be besieged by hordes of angry,
disappointed Mooseophiles, I should point out that while yes, I did teach my
Moose, and yes, it was the logo of the convention, the diagrams in the
convention program are for an Elk, not the Moose. I haven't diagrammed the
Moose for publication yet, although it's a pretty high priority for me.

(To clarify the difference: a Moose is a large, dark brown cervid with very
long legs and palmate antlers. An Elk is smaller (but still pretty big) and
has branched antlers.)

Sorry for any confusion,

Robert





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:05
Subject: Moose/Elk [was: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose]

>Lest Wojciech (and subsequently I) be besieged by hordes of angry,
>disappointed Mooseophiles, I should point out that while yes, I did teach my
>Moose, and yes, it was the logo of the convention, the diagrams in the
>convention program are for an Elk, not the Moose. I haven't diagrammed the
>Moose for publication yet, although it's a pretty high priority for me.

So now I have two questions:

1.  Is the convention program available?
2.  When you diagram the Moose, where might it be made available?

And a comment:  Thank you for making the diagrams available.

-Joel Hoffman
(joel@exc.com)





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 00:40
Subject: Sv:      Re: Whats a Jackstone

Jack Skillman's Jackstone
 was first published in the Origamian
with photographic instructions by Alice Gray

That is so many years ago that I cannot remember the year
I had as a gift from Lillian Oppenheimer received
all the Origamian Issues and was reading them in bed.
but I can remember that I jumped out of bed
and spent the rest of the night folding it,
and I was very proud of my achievement.

No, it was not an Octahedron
it was like a cube with a high pyramid on each face..

Thoki Yenn
http://www.thok.dk/origami.html





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 02:08
Subject: Re: Bringing origami to life (Bad Blood)

The howling coyote is awesome.  The way the shadow falls on the head
accentuates the curves and shape of it.  For people who've folded the
coyote have you noticed the same?  Good luck Shalom with the Hippo and have
a good day folding Bahamut, I'm sure you'd need a day.

David





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 08 Nov 1999 05:52
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

In a message dated 11/4/1999 2:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
klundber@MNSINC.COM writes:

> the woven fish and bird models

Aloha Kalei Lundberg,

I never got around to learning the fish models, but I learned the
bird from Ms. Karen Pauli, aka Dame Helva of Saxony, in the
Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) (sorry, I don't know
the Barony, her mundane address was in Chicago at the time,
I don't know whether she is there still). I had been told that she
had invented a dragon, and managed to get her address and
write and ask about it. She was kind enough to send me a
set of stepfolds for the woven ribbon bird, and a sample of her
dragon so I could see what she'd changed to get the dragon.

I don't know that I have permission to teach her dragon, have
lost my SCA connections, and don't know exactly where my
note with her address is, nor whether it is still good, it's been
over ten years now, I think, since I learned it.

I have the bird memorized, and have experimented with giving it
a crest, a two-piece beak, and doubling the ribbon, to get a
checkerboard back and chest, and shoulder patches on the
wings.

Also, I experimented with the Star, ran the ends thru a couple
more times rather than cut them off where the usual instructions
end, and came up with a fancier star with an optional tail.

I forget. Are you able to receive pictures in jpg format?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 08 Nov 1999 05:54
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

In a message dated 11/4/1999 2:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
klundber@MNSINC.COM writes:

> Kalei
>  (who has decided not to buy a paper shredder--all I need is more strips of
>  paper I can't bear to throw away.)

Oh, but think of the quilling you could do (you know, it's also called
paper filigree).

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 09:27
Subject: Women authors

I'd like to send this anonymously but I think I must add my name to the list
of women authors. I have published many origami books, most recently "A
Thousand Cranes," published by Heian International. This is the ninth in a
series of books in similar format beginning with "Paper Jewelry" in 1989.
    V'Ann Cornelius is another woman author. We co-authored two books in the
Heian series and she has since published "Don't Need Mummy for this Origami."
I - and many others - wish she would write a book about all the wonderful
models she has invented.
    My own "Paper Pandas and Jumping Frogs - Origami and its Uses" has been
hanging in there since 1986. Etc.
    All these books are for beginning and intermediate folders. Everybody has
to start somewhere.
All best from Florence.





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:30
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

Russell,
At 18.10 7/11/1999 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/7/99 4:32:52 PM Central Standard Time,
>EruditusD@AOL.COM writes:
>
><< On the topic of best/most complicated model someone said that at one point
> everybody folded Skillsons Jackstone to prove their folding abilities. I
have
> one question, what's a Jackstone?
>>>
>
>I found this in the archives: (David Lister posting)

..............

For those interested: D.L.'s post was much longer and detailed, it was
posted on March 1st, 1998.

Roberto





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:36
Subject: Re: Women authors

Florence Temko writing about her own books, also mentions:

>     V'Ann Cornelius is another woman author. We co-authored two books in the
> Heian series and she has since published "Don't Need Mummy for this Origami."
> I - and many others - wish she would write a book about all the wonderful
> models she has invented.

Agreed!

Also, Toshie Takahama has a number of books out as well. Not being well versed
in Japanese naming conventions, I don't know how how many of the authors'
names I see "romanized" are women or men. Tomoko Fuse is often mis-identified,
so who knows?

-D'gou





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:55
Subject: Re: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

> (To clarify the difference: a Moose is a large, dark brown cervid with very
> long legs and palmate antlers. An Elk is smaller (but still pretty big) and
> has branched antlers.)

To make matters worse, there is lots of room for confusion between North
American and European terminology.  In fact, a European Elk ("elg" in
Swedish) very much resembles a North American moose.  (Is it a moose?
Or just a related animal?)  On the other hand, the correct name for
a North American Elk is "wapiti" --- and yes it looks like a very large
deer.

> Sorry for any confusion,
>
> Robert

I hope that I have not added too much to the present confusion.

                     All the best,
                              Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@EXC.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:15
Subject: Elk/Moose

>> (To clarify the difference: a Moose is a large, dark brown cervid with very
>> long legs and palmate antlers. An Elk is smaller (but still pretty big) and
>> has branched antlers.)
>
>To make matters worse, there is lots of room for confusion between North
>American and European terminology.  In fact, a European Elk ("elg" in
>Swedish) very much resembles a North American moose.  (Is it a moose?
>Or just a related animal?)  On the other hand, the correct name for
>a North American Elk is "wapiti" --- and yes it looks like a very large
>deer.

A picture is worth a thousand words.  I have a picture of an American
Elk in Coloado at:

        http://www.exc.com/elk1.jpg

Can someone provide a Moose?

-Joel





From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM
Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:30
Subject: Re: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

And then there's the Irish elk, with a huge set of moose-like antlers--gone
extinct since the end of last ice age(?)  So someone needs to add that to the
prehistoric origami agenda.

Needs more paper left out to fold the antlers!  And just think they all have
to grow those things every year.

Donna Walcavage





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:22
Subject: NO: UK bookstores online

A request for the UK members of the list:

I want to order a UK edition of a currently popular non-origami book.
(Care to guess what?) I ordered Books 1 through 3 from Amazon.uk,
which worked fine, but I would rather support a brick & mortar
bookstore with my purchase of the next 4 books as they find their
way into print. (I hear Book 4 comes out in July in the US

?any
rumors about the UK release date?)

Can any of you folks in Britain suggest a bookstore worth supporting
that would take overseas orders either via fax or Internet?

Thanks.
Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

--Boundary_(ID_8HMKjHxqVszB8lQS45xnmA)--





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:30
Subject: Elk/Moose

...not to mention the presently hibernating Scandinavian Elk, Elk-ie
Somers, which has only two legs and a blond mane, once seen with a
Pink Panther.

Then there's the rare bearded Anatolian Moose, Moose-tapha Kamel,
founder of modern Turkey (the country, not the bird) (and that's
'Kamel', not 'camel', in case you're becoming confused).

And we haven't even begun to discuss Jerry Moose (friends with a cat)
and Vanilla Moose (which became extinct in the thaw after the last ice
age)...

What a menagerie!

Paul Jackson





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:45
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

>
>A picture is worth a thousand words.  I have a picture of an American
>Elk in Coloado at:
>
>        http://www.exc.com/elk1.jpg
>
>Can someone provide a Moose?
>
>-Joel

I can.  http://www.everythingalaska.com/wld/adt22.gif

David





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:24
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

>...not to mention the presently hibernating Scandinavian Elk, Elk-ie
>Somers, which has only two legs and a blond mane, once seen with a
>Pink Panther.

    Do you have a picture?

>What a menagerie!

    I once had some Moose-aka, but that was more vegetable than animal.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 13:51
Subject: 2nd SOM convention book

Dear members of the list,
the 2nd SOM convention book can be ordered for a cost of 15$ plus shipping fee.
     Anyone who is interested in buying the book can send me an e-mail  at:
     origami.sverige@home.se A picture of the front page of the book plus a
     list of the published models will

Regards

Dino

----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Frn: Dr. Joel M. Hoffman <joel@EXC.COM>
Till: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Skickat: den 7 november 1999 19:01
mne: Web page update / 2nd SOM / Lang's Moose

> The moose looks great.  Can the convention book be ordered?  Or are
> the diagrams available anywhere else??
>
> -Joel Hoffman
> (joel@exc.com)





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:07
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

Rob,
At 21.55 7/11/1999 EST, you wrote:
>The Jackstone is published in Harbin's "Origami 2", AKA "New Adventures in
>Origami" and is by Jack Skillman.  The model is tricky in that it involves
>quite a bit of pre-creasing and then reversing of precreases in the center of
>the model, and eventually collapsing it in pre-creases.  IMHO it's a neat
>model, but not tremendous.  Chris Palmer's geometric folds are much more
>challenging and satisfying, I think..

Maybe. But it's just in recent years that complex geometrical and modular
folding has become everyday's practice. The Jackstone was conceived by
Skillman in the early sixties, and it was an absolute novelty at the time:
so complex that nobody at the Origami Center, including Lillian
Oppenheimer, was able to fold it, and they only published the instructions
in 1965 when Fred Rohm found a simplfied approach to tackle some of the
trickiest steps. The Jackstone has a unique historical value, it can be
regarded as a milestone in geometrical folding: all the subsequent
development and interest in modulars, polyhedra and similar models stemmed
from it.

Roberto





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:21
Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone

As a further bit of Jackstone trivia. I believe it was Larry Hart
mailto:Lazagami@tesco.net who explained to me that a blintzed frog-base
would provide all of the creases necessary to complete the model.

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robby/Laura [mailto:morassi@ZEN.IT]
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 7:12 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Whats a Jackstone
>
>
> Rob,
> At 21.55 7/11/1999 EST, you wrote:
> >The Jackstone is published in Harbin's "Origami 2", AKA "New
> Adventures in
> >Origami" and is by Jack Skillman.  The model is tricky in
> that it involves
> >quite a bit of pre-creasing and then reversing of precreases
> in the center of
> >the model, and eventually collapsing it in pre-creases.
> IMHO it's a neat
> >model, but not tremendous.  Chris Palmer's geometric folds
> are much more
> >challenging and satisfying, I think..
>
> Maybe. But it's just in recent years that complex geometrical
> and modular
> folding has become everyday's practice. The Jackstone was conceived by
> Skillman in the early sixties, and it was an absolute novelty
> at the time:
> so complex that nobody at the Origami Center, including Lillian
> Oppenheimer, was able to fold it, and they only published the
> instructions
> in 1965 when Fred Rohm found a simplfied approach to tackle
> some of the
> trickiest steps. The Jackstone has a unique historical value,
> it can be
> regarded as a milestone in geometrical folding: all the subsequent
> development and interest in modulars, polyhedra and similar
> models stemmed
> from it.
>
> Roberto





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 17:46
Subject: Re: Women authors

Doug Philips wrote:

> Also, Toshie Takahama has a number of books out as well. Not being well versed
> in Japanese naming conventions, I don't know how how many of the authors'
> names I see "romanized" are women or men. Tomoko Fuse is often mis-identified,
> so who knows?

Anita Barbour and her husband Spider have a book out that they wrote but
it isn't one Origami but on the flora of the north east US.

Perry
--
Do you remember flashers?  I grew up in a small town.  We only had one
flasher, he pulled up in front of the court house stripped and started
to run.  The Sheriff seeing him, waited till he turned the corner then
out, locked his car and took his clothes into the court house.
True story!!!

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:22
Subject: Do not order from Opane and 3D Heart Diagram wanted

I order this 3d Origami heart paper and instructions on the net, but at the
end when my stuff came they gave me a different thing. I felt so bad because
I really wanted to fold this heart. I did complain but their refund policy
says that if I want to return I have to return everything that I bought, I
could not do that since I already opened some of my stuff. I ordered a bunch
of things that time that is why, and it was my first time I ordered from
this mean and so delayed and messed up site too. I really woul not recommend
it to anyone if they try to order paper or stationary there. It took them
more than a month to get to me and the order was so so wrong. Is a site that
now yahoo has removed from its search because I was one of the many who
complained about them. They charged me for stuff I did not buy and got wrong
order and not willing to correct it for me called Opane, site:
http://www.opane.com . It is suppose to be a real simple and basic diagram
and I think it is made by strip of paper. Well I am wondering if anyone
knows a site who has this diagram or their own site who has this diagram? I
am sure is not many steps and real simple like the lucky star.

Thanks a lot. and just a little warnign if anyone tries to order there
because I really had such a bad experience. Oh and if you are wondering how
messed up they are is that I e-mailed and ask them why my order is delayed
and they did not care, so I called and they said in a few days, at the end
took them more than a month, which it really should be like 4-5 days. I was
in a hurry to have it becuase I was going to give it to a friend of mine for
her b'day. I ordered a bunch of stationary and they gave me all different
kind of stationary not the ones I wanted. They gave me origami paper that I
did not ordered and there was only likle 3 items that I really ordered was
in there. I ordered like 25 or so stuff, ridiculous right?
Xandra

please visit my site at: - http://www.geocities.com/bunnynpiggy/index.html
I will put some origami stuff up soon so please check back, is a new site I
just done.





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:41
Subject: Re: mathematicians

>>PS Anyone interested in origami-math might like to know that, slowly,
>a cohesive body of knowledge is being brought together for the subject,
>which should make it easier for people to learn.  E.g., next spring
>I'll be teaching a junior/senior level course on it here at Merrimack
>College.

Can anyone sign up?
What dates/times will the course meet?
Are there prerequisites?
Details, send more details!

Robert

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:10
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

Now I am more confusion than ever! Are caribou and reindeer different
names for the moose and elk, or different animals altogether?

Anyone know where I can find some good photos of the Irish elk?

Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
>
> >> (To clarify the difference: a Moose is a large, dark brown cervid with very
> >> long legs and palmate antlers. An Elk is smaller (but still pretty big) and
> >> has branched antlers.)
> >
> >To make matters worse, there is lots of room for confusion between North
> >American and European terminology.  In fact, a European Elk ("elg" in
> >Swedish) very much resembles a North American moose.  (Is it a moose?
> >Or just a related animal?)  On the other hand, the correct name for
> >a North American Elk is "wapiti" --- and yes it looks like a very large
> >deer.





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 08 Nov 1999 19:29
Subject: Re: Do not order from Opane and 3D Heart Diagram wanted

Thanks Wendi for the site, I know that site already but I never looked at it
really. I don't have too much hope in odering online no more, well I did
order for shizu.. hmm did I misspelt and they were so great and I was so
happy, fast and nothing wrong. They had some pretty sanrio paper that I was
looking for. I don't really see a lot of sanrio origami paper at all and
especially on the store. Well when my paper runs out next time or I just
feel I want to have some pretty paper I will order from there I guess since
I see a lot of people recommend it. I ordered from Opane because it had a
lot of nice stationary and my other interest is writting letters that was
why. Well at the end I did not even get any of those paper and got some junk
which they claim their wasn't a mix up but they just wanted to clear out
their stock and they thought I might like to have them. So means they are
sending me junk basically.
Xandra

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendi Curtis" <rebelgami@hotmail.com>
To: <xandra@socal.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Do not order from Opane and 3D Heart Diagram wanted

Hello Xandra:
I am sorry to hear about your bad experience ordering merchandise from
Opane.  It is good that you warned us about them.  I have had GREAT success
ordering from Kim's Crane.  Their company can be found at
<http://www.kimscrane.com>.  Many of the items seen at Opane are available
from Kim's Crane.  Some of the prices may very but I have had no problem
ordering from them. They send out orders overnight, e-mail you back if an
item is not available, or your order will be delayed. Again, thank you for
the warning!
Sincerely,
Wendi Curtis

>From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Do not order from Opane and 3D Heart Diagram wanted
>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:20:24 -0800
>
>I order this 3d Origami heart paper and instructions on the net, but at the
>end when my stuff came they gave me a different thing. I felt so bad
>because
>I really wanted to fold this heart. I did complain but their refund policy
>says that if I want to return I have to return everything that I bought, I
>could not do that since I already opened some of my stuff. I ordered a
>bunch
>of things that time that is why, and it was my first time I ordered from
>this mean and so delayed and messed up site too. I really woul not
>recommend
>it to anyone if they try to order paper or stationary there. It took them
>more than a month to get to me and the order was so so wrong. Is a site
>that
>now yahoo has removed from its search because I was one of the many who
>complained about them. They charged me for stuff I did not buy and got
>wrong
>order and not willing to correct it for me called Opane, site:
> http://www.opane.com . It is suppose to be a real simple and basic diagram
>and I think it is made by strip of paper. Well I am wondering if anyone
>knows a site who has this diagram or their own site who has this diagram? I
>am sure is not many steps and real simple like the lucky star.
>
>Thanks a lot. and just a little warnign if anyone tries to order there
>because I really had such a bad experience. Oh and if you are wondering how
>messed up they are is that I e-mailed and ask them why my order is delayed
>and they did not care, so I called and they said in a few days, at the end
>took them more than a month, which it really should be like 4-5 days. I was
>in a hurry to have it becuase I was going to give it to a friend of mine
>for
>her b'day. I ordered a bunch of stationary and they gave me all different
>kind of stationary not the ones I wanted. They gave me origami paper that I
>did not ordered and there was only likle 3 items that I really ordered was
>in there. I ordered like 25 or so stuff, ridiculous right?
>Xandra
>
>please visit my site at: - http://www.geocities.com/bunnynpiggy/index.html
>I will put some origami stuff up soon so please check back, is a new site I
>just done.
>

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:08
Subject: Re: mathematicians

>>>PS Anyone interested in origami-math might like to know that, slowly,
>>a cohesive body of knowledge is being brought together for the subject,
>>which should make it easier for people to learn.  E.g., next spring
>>I'll be teaching a junior/senior level course on it here at Merrimack
>>College.
>

Will you put up lecture notes on a website for this course?  I thought I'd
ask since some professors do that.

David





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:17
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

> Now I am more confusion than ever! Are caribou and reindeer different
> names for the moose and elk, or different animals altogether?

Caribou and reindeer are different from moose and elk and different
from each other.  Although caribou and reindeer fill a similar
ecological niche, living primarily on lichen in the tundra in the
far north, they are geographically separate (caribou live in Canada,
while reindeer live in Scandinavia.)  I also think they look
rather different, but the difference is probably too subtile to
fold.

(On a related question, does Santa Clauss live in the north of
Canada or the north of Scandinavia?  The postal services of these
different areas don't seem to be able to agree.)

> Anyone know where I can find some good photos of the Irish elk?

No idea.

                     All the best,
                          Mark

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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:42
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

Message text written by Origami List
>Caribou and reindeer are different from moose and elk and different
from each other.<

        As far as my resource (_Wild Mammals of North America_, Chapman &
Feldhamer, eds.) goes, this is true only to an extent.  Caribou and
reindeer _are_ the same -- both belong to the genus and species _Rangifer
tarandus_; there are at least 4 subspecies in North America alone, and I
would suspect that the differences with the Scandinavian taxa are
subspecies-level, as well (that is, they're pretty minor, and they would
still be able to produce viable offspring.  The alternative is that North
Americans and Europeans are, confusingly, both applying the word "reindeer"
to very different and less-closely-related animals.

        Elk, also known as wapiti, belong to the species _Cervus elephas_;
again, there are clinal (regional) subspecies.  Moose (_Alces alces_) too
have numerous subspecies.  The aforementioned text I'm consulting has this
interesting note:  "Three subspecies are recognized in Eurasia, where they
were formerly known as elk."  I find this rather odd; moose are easily
reconizeable and differentiable from elk based on antler and snout
morphology alone -- at least in North America!    I wonder what the
Eurasian ones are being called now...?

        At any rate, _Rangifer_, _Cervus_, and _Alces_ are all members of
the Cervidae, a group that also includes a wide variety of deer.  The
extinct Irish elk, _Megaloceros_, also belongs to this group, although to
which modern genus it is most closely related, I do not know.

        Hope this helps!

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From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:06
Subject: Re: Elk/Moose

On 09-Nov-99, Casida Mark (casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA) wrote:

>(On a related question, does Santa Clauss live in the north of
>Canada or the north of Scandinavia?  The postal services of these
>different areas don't seem to be able to agree.)

In Finland, at Korvatunturi!  Check out

http://www.santaclaus.posti.fi/

--
Jorma 'once a Finn...' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:41
Subject: Gift Wrapping

Hi--

I'd like to impress some friends with some elegant origami or related
giftwrapping.  Can anyone recommend a particular style, diagram or book?  I'm
looking for something that looks nice without taking too much time, but I'm
open to anything.

Rob
(PS-- it's to impress a chick ,so make it good!!!)
