




From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:13
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

David,
Security systems are uniformly imperfect. At my university, students would
pry open windows and toss books out. They also could sometimes carry books
out over their heads if security wasn't vigilant. Otherwise, security strips
can be pulled out (ripping up pages in the process), books can be stuffed
inside other books, or even just carried out in a way that shields them from
the sensor - in our library, anyway, the sensor is weak enough that carrying
a book inside a heavy pack or pressed against your body on the opposite side
will fail to trigger the alarm. The reason the sensor is so weak is that
otherwise the alarm system interferes with the computer catalogs that sit
too close by. Obviously, our library building is sadly out of date, too
small and not built for modern technology. Ahhh, yet another library
complaint.....

>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>

>
>Carol I have a question: how do thieves manage to smuggle them out of the
>library when the unchecked books aren't demagnetised?
>
>David

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From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:17
Subject: shell from Connoiseur

hello, this is my second posting to the origami-and-library-policy list.
i'm enjoying some of the info and conversations.

i first want to thank all of the people who gave me suggestions on
places to visit in japan.  i will definitely go to the origami house,
and try to visit other places as well.

i have a question concerning the shell from Origami for the Connosieur:
the first one diagramed, i believe.  (sorry, i don't have the book here.)
anyway, kasahra states that the shell in the photo resulted from devising
a way to reduce the four openings to one.  well, i can't figure out how
in god's name that was done.  i've had many papers rip from fatigue after
trying to figure this one out.

so, has anyone else figured this out, and if so, are diagrams available?

-dan





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:24
Subject: Re: NO A rude librarian

I have to disagree in a way with society becoming rude.  It always was!
There is no real increasing.  When disasters and war are constantly
sweeping through the world: the cyclone in India, the poor relations
between countries in Eastern Europe, hatred of groups of people stimulating
violence and death rudeness is just a drop of water in the ocean.  Many
people are rude to other people and have been this way since the dawn of
civilization and before.  I don't see any trend of increasing rudeness,
it's pretty much been the same but it oscillates in smaller subregions of
the world like the US.  Just remember that in the early nineteenth century
when the industrial revolution kicked in but we still didn't have one
dollar, but hundreds of different dollars printed from local banks people
started to treat each other with a new order for respect based upon wealth,
anger and hostility were there between many people over what money was
valuable, parents were no longer honorable in there eyes because they were
poor farmers and not workers who could work to earn more and more money.
Can you say that we are more rude and more hostile to each other now than
we are then?  If you take the average though I think the hostility between
people is still the same.  I don't think population explosion really
contributes more towards hostility between people since it's the same
hostility that has always been there but not driven as much.  Anyway I'll
stop rambling that's my two cents

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:24
Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model

Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!  How
many other people on this list had this problem?

David





From: Dan Gries <dangries@MATH.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:26
Subject: question on "the" rose.

hi, i have succesfully folded kawasaki's "new" rose, as diagramed by W.Chan.
my question concerns the very last step, though: i'm pretty sure i did it
right, it's all nice and tightly locked together in a square underneath, but
is there a way to finish it without white paper showing from the sides?
in this respect, i prefer the origami for the connosieur kawasaki rose,
in that it looks nice from the side.  of course, i can use paper colored
on both sides, i know.

anyway, if white is showing on the side, does this mean i did it right?

also, i have noticed that both roses have a little hole in the bottom that
can be opened up, so one could hide one of those small metal thingies
inside to keep it from being stolen from a library.

in any case, it's a lovely rose - quite ingenious.  perfect marriage of
technique and beauty, i think.

-dan





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:30
Subject: Re: shell from Connoiseur

Hi Dan!  This is David the guy who loves the Kawasaki shell more than any
mortal should be allowed to.  Yes I've done the three flap shell.  I made
this really silly snail once that used three flaps for the shell and one
for the body.  Anyway this is what I did:

Notice that when you fold four flaps each one is seperated by pi/2 radians?
The effect is to span the plane.  So do this for three flaps orient them
to seperate them by pi/3 radians.  That is 120 degrees.  This should work
but it's tricky and your spiral might want to lean in one direction, don't
let it.  Thanks for posting actual origami.  We're not usually like this
it's usually almost all origami.  Happy folding :)

David





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:36
Subject: Re: NO A rude librarian

Carol Martinson wrote:
> Society in general, at least in the United States, is
> becoming increasingly rude as a whole.
I think Aristotles (or was it Socrates) said something to that effect
about his own country...

Matthias





From: Greg Leigh <gregory@SUNET.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:40
Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model

The entire middle of my book fell out...I dont even think I provoked this,
either

> Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!
How
> many other people on this list had this problem?
>
> David





From: John Hancock <jwhancock34@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 15:50
Subject: Re: NO A rude librarian (Make that (NO)^13)

--- Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM> wrote:
[deletia]
> Plus,
> especially with major corporations, I know that a
> report of inconsiderate
> treatment from an employee usually results in
> serious repercussions from
> upper management.

This is true. I don't know about swords, but the pen
is definitely mightier than the petty tyrant. I used
to go away from this type of treatment grinding my
teeth in rage. Now I just write a polite letter to the
offender's supervisor. It sounds ineffectual, but it
really works. I have gotten apologies, coupons for
free merchandise, and most importantly, a general
sense of satisfaction as a result. I have used this
with annoying car dealers, department managers, desk
clerks, and the like.

In most cases, I just forget about petty insults
pretty quickly these days (memory is the first thing
to go...I forget what's second), but every now and
again, someone says just the wrong thing at just the
wrong time, and next thing they know, their
supervisior gets a letter about them.

I don't know whether anyone's behavior gets modified
as a result, but it is fun to be compensated, and it
just feels better to reply to barbaric treatment with
a civilized response than with fury. And, if that
fails, you can just clog all the toilets in their
department. :)

Later,

John
 Who wishes it were as easy to
 disguise folding as work as it
 is Web browsing. :)

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From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:03
Subject: Re: shell from Connoiseur

At 03:15 PM 11/4/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>hello,  <snip>
>i have a question concerning the shell from Origami for the Connosieur:
>the first one diagramed, i believe.  (sorry, i don't have the book here.)
>anyway, kasahra states that the shell in the photo resulted from devising
>a way to reduce the four openings to one.  well, i can't figure out how
>in god's name that was done.  i've had many papers rip from fatigue after
>trying to figure this one out.

Diagrams are available in one of Fuse's "Spirals" books. I think it's in the
     first one.

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com
http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/





From: Joe Wezorek <joew@DYNAVOXSYS.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:07
Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model

> You can see my first attempts at:

Hey Tim, (or anyone else)

        I liked the models on your page.
Did you ever get through the Cicada
in Lang's _Complete Book of Origami_. I
never managed it. If so, what kind of
paper did you use? I remember getting
really far into that model and then having
to give up because it became too thick
to be manageable, but then that was before
I knew about home-made foil. Anyway,
to me, the photograph of that Cicada looks
better than the one in _Origami Insects_.

Joe





From: Jeff Block <info@LOTUSENTERTAINYOU.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:19
Subject: Selling Origami for Profit

Hi,

We've updated our site and are now ecommerce
"click to purchase" and have started our affiliate
program - you can earn 18% commission for selling
our Origami flower arrangements.

I'd love to hear from all folders and especially would
like to hear ideas of what other finished Origami
(for example, boxes) might have commercial appeal.

Jeff Block
http://www.lotusentertainyou.com
info@lotusentertainyou.com

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From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:34
Subject: favourite fold

My favourite fold is the full rigged ship in Step by Step origami by Robert
Harbin. It was apparently made by Patricia Crawford. To me this has all the
things which I like about folding, precreasing, colour changes, sinks and
seemingly difficult folds which are actually simple and ends up with
something that not only is a joy to fold, but looks impossible to
non-folders. For me this also gets a vote for head turner if the reactions of
my collegues are anything to go by!

Leigh 'I can't think of a cool quote' Halford
http://hometown.aol.com/origami451





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:40
Subject: The IRC Chat Discoveries

Tonight's ('tonight' from a Swiss point of view) IRC chat was quite
educative. One very interesting insight was that big pictures of
miniature origami are much more useful than miniature pictures of big
origami.
We also realized that the copyright and/or patent for the folding of the
Swiss Alps has expired at least a few thousand years ago. This means
that we can finally make as many mountain folds as we wish without
asking HIM for permission.
We didn't quite know what to make of it, but we also learned that a
certain Dave from England is an origami excerpt.
The chat continued of course, but I had to catch some sleep, so I missed
out on all the other fascinating subjects that were discussed. Make sure
to check in yourself sometime, you might learn a thing or two- I
certainly did!

Matthias





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:55
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

In a message dated 11/3/99 10:28:40 PM, skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE writes:

*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.                        *** >>

Wondering..., what does your favorite quote say? Can anyone translate? It
sounds good! Is it about paper folding? Kelly





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:19
Subject: Re: mathematicians

In a message dated 11/4/99 3:48:40 AM, dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:

<< I don't see how mathematicians or ce's could spook me I'm

surrounded by them and students hoping to become them. >>

I'm scared by mathematicians. What is it you are doing? And, you have the
educational edge in origami geometry, intimidating! Like Jeremy Shaffer, if
you are listening Jeremy, I'm very impressed with his many flasher hats, and
how he has combined a mathematic education with origami.
http://www.exploritorium.com/exploring/paper/paper3.html#flasher
I wish to be able to make one. It looks so interesting and great. What is the
math in it? Are there any mathematicians listening?
Kelly





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:38
Subject: Re: New models

I promise ...... I promise ......

I've been bad ........ (sniff sniff) :o(

(But it worked, didn't it?)

Ronald

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> Ronald Koh wrote:
> > Actually, diagramming is in progress, although I don't know what on
> > earth for. It will be on Mathias' webpage - if he still wants to host
> > it!
> Only if you promise not to blurt out my whining...
>
> Matthias





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:39
Subject: Re: Origami Books in Stores (was Best/Most complicated model)

In a message dated 11/4/99 2:27:52 PM, ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG writes:

<< It's quite embarassing, sometimes, when there's a crowd of ladies at
that section, and I have to browse over their shoulders or stand a
little to the side, innocently waiting my turn. Imagine what it feels
like when some of these ladies look me up and down ...
 >>

I bet. You get a Wow for that!
Thanks for listing male and female authors, so see it's a bit odd that you
would have to be in the female section of the store. Is it realized that you
are man buying a book most likely by a man? I see how incredible it is that
you brave these women for origami books!
Best wishes, and go get um, I'm on your side,
Kelly





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:48
Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model

Binding sucks! I had to take mine to Kinko's to have thwm put a spiral
binding on!

>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:26:20 -0800
>
>Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!  How
>many other people on this list had this problem?
>
>David

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:54
Subject: Re: Dividing edges (was: Knife, Ruler and the gecko and the fly)

Paul Jackson indited:

> I have a different method for dividing any length into exact 40ths.
> By Fujimoto's 'Iterative' method, divide the edge into 5ths (I presume
> this simple, elegant method is documented on the web, but I don't know
> where.  Does anyone have a URL?).

> The Iterative method does away with any need for measuring. It is also
> very quick, accurate and satisfyingly 'pure'.  I use it a lot to make
> my pleated organic pieces, many of which begin with an awkward number
> of divisions.

My favorite "How to divide it" web page is part of the JOAS/Tanteidan web
site. The "How to divide it" page, English version, is at:
        http://www.origami.gr.jp/People/CAGE_/divide/index-e.html
(I didn't see Fujimoto's Iterative method... Is it the same as Lang's Binary
division method?)

My favorite method is Noma's method. No iterative process of closely spaced
pinch marks, fixed minimal number of pinches which exactly locate the
proportion desired, and division point marked with a pinch, not merely the
overlapping of edges of the square.

The only downside to Noma's method is that it only works for a square. ;-)

-Daddy-o "My $0.02 worth. Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)" D'gou





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:18
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

Kelly, and any anglophone who is interested:

Here is what this:

>*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
>*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.

means (to the best of my knowledge).

"This message was sent with the help of a data processing program and
needs no signature."

Rather silly in the context of this list, as one of the German speakers
pointed out a few months ago, but It is amusing, and I have shown it to
my son, who is in the throes of studying German.
"Datenverarbeitungsanlage" is a word I was certainly not taught in 1967,
when I began my German studies.

-Jane
***The above does not constitute a legally binding signature***





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:22
Subject: Re: question on "the" rose.

Congratulations, Dan!

>is there a way to finish it without white paper showing from the sides?

It would lose the 22-1/2 degree angle and much of its interest, I think.

>i can use paper colored on both sides, i know.

That's the answer. I have had success with white or ivory pearlized
paper, so the plain white of the underside is barely noticeable.

>anyway, if white is showing on the side, does this mean i did it right?

Yes, yes, yes.

-Jane





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:35
Subject: Re: Best/Most complicated model

David Lister, replying to Chris Hundley's inquiry about a "crown jewel" of
origami, indited:

> But I question whether complication equates with excellence. Some of the
> simplest models like Takahama's Yacht and Yoshizawa's Butterfly, to my mind
> have an excellence that equals that of any other folds, however complex. And
> as for the North Face of the Eiger of paperfolding, I suggest that folding
> the Classic Crane with perfection is as stern a challencnge as can face any
> paperfolder.

If I might belatedly chime in...  My take on what Chris means would preclude
the Classic Crane.
                (hmmm, what then is the New Crane that the
                 Classic Crane is Classic in relation to?
                 but I ramble...).

The trouble with choosing the Classic Crane for a Crown Jewel is that a "Crown
Jewel" must not just be difficult to fold, but must look impressive as well.
It would take a very trained eye to perceive the subtlies of a perfectly
folded Classic Crane.

I sustain that the Crown Jewel(s) are meant not only as flowers of folding
finesse to fellow folders, but also to those foreign to the finer features of
fancy and fastidious folding. To wit: It has to be hard to fold and look it.

While David goes on to talk about the artistic side of things with which I
agree and find nothing to add, I would think it would be fun/useful to have a
spectrum of models which would represent mastery of various levels of origami
"technique". The models in the spectrum would need to have widely available
diagrams. The diagrams should be, if not exemplary, at least passable. Idealy
such a spectrum would accomplish two things:
        Allow a folder to assay their folding abilities on a technical scale
                (if you can fold <X> well you will have mastered the
                 closed sink, for example)
        AND produce attractive "wow factor" models which even non-folders
                would appreciate.

At one time Skillman's Jackstone was the model to fold if you wanted to show
you had made it to the finest provinces of origami. As David has pointed out,
there are now many fine candidates for the Crown Jewels, and I would not limit
any one level/skill one the spectrum to just one model.

If anyone is interested in discussing such a spectrum, I'd be willing to host
a web-page describing it. I would even be willing to put up photos of well
folded examples for each model, and if the interest is there, information
about individual folders, should they so desire.

-D'gou





From: Cindy Walker <cw@JPS.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:59
Subject: Re: Origami Insects falling apart

My Origami Insects book also fell apart and I've been quite gentle with it.
Dover used to have a reputation for quality book binding.  Times have changed.

-Cindy

>The entire middle of my book fell out...I dont even think I provoked this,
>either
>
>> Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!
>How
>> many other people on this list had this problem?





From: Debra Nelson <debnels@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 20:38
Subject: Feb 2000 Issue of The Paper

The Deadline for this issue is December 15. The feature will be on
Origami and Fine Art. Contributions and ideas appreciated.
Thanks.
Debra Nelson-Hogan





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:43
Subject: Re: [NO] book theft mutilation

I have no real figures to quote from, but I suspect that for every book that
is stolen, at least 5 get worn to pieces being used and re-used. And another
one or two sit unwanted and unread on the shelves. So really, the theft
problem is a headache, but not a monstrous one. We find it so frustrating,
on the whole because it happens to the most popular materials. Buying 10 GED
study guides a year wears out your budget really fast - and ILL only
stretches so far. It actually works out to be cheaper to buy a book than to
ILL it three times.

Gillian

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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:58
Subject: Re: Library security system

Anne,
Our library has a quite different policy. If you lose a book, pay for it,
and later recover it, you may return it to the library, or you may keep it
for yourself. If you paid for it - its yours. We do charge a fairly steep (I
think) processing fee for lost books (I think it's $10 plus the cost of the
book, plus any fine that accumulated before you "confessed" that the book
was lost). In my judgement, you paid for it so it isn't a "stolen" book at
all, just ex-lib.

Gillian

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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:32
Subject: Book Bindings Was: Re: Best/Most complicated model

Don't, repeat, Don't get all of us librarians started on cheap bindings!!!!!
Continue this thread at your own risk!!!!!!

:-)

with exclamation points flying,

Gillian

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From: Cindy Walker <cw@JPS.NET>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:38
Subject: new Ron Koh models

I also would like the diagrams for the pooping dog.  I've been battling for
months with my neighbor to keep her *&^%*! dog from leaving presents in my
yard.  I haven't read enough Harry Potter books to learn how to turn her dog
into a toad.  I think folding the pooping dog model would be good for me.





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:57
Subject: Re: Rectangular Boxes

>James M. Sakoda <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU> sez
>
>>2.  Unfold the folded sides and find the end points of the middle of the
>>sheet running the short way and fold the ends to this line.
>
>Having made the box, if you repeat, but fold all edges to a point
>slightly short of the centre crease (.5cms or less), then continue as
>before, you have a lid which slides perfectly onto the original box.
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

Nick, Thanks for the addition of the cover.  At this point I might as well
add a square weaver shuttle box made from a square paper.  The original
weaver  shutt;le lbox was made from a square paper folded into a 6 x 6
grid, which was made rectangular by reducing to a 4 x 6 grid.
     I have folded a square weaver shuttle box using a blintz fold changed
into a picture frame.  1.  Fold diagonal creases to find the centger of a
square paper, white side up.  2.  Blintz fold:  Fold four corners to the
center point.  3.  Open out each point in turn and fold it to the nearest
crosspoint to form the picture frame.  If you wish have the children draw a
picture inside the frame.  4.  Turn over the ;icture frame and fold two
opposing edges to the center line.  5.  Open out the bottom frame to expose
the whit underside.  6.  Fold the two lower corners diagonally to the
center line.  7.  Cover the corners by folding down the opened frame.  8.
Repeat Steps 5 and 6 on the opposite side.  9.  Open out the box  so that
the sides are standing upright.
     I have not printed diagrams for this elsewhere, but have used it in a
picture frame series of easy folds folds for beginners.  The lid mentioned
by Nick Robinson cannot be used with this box because the bottom of the
box, which is white for the lid becomes its top.  There is a more complex
way of foldig the lid by tucking in the flaps  under the sides.
     The advantaage of the square box over the rectangular one is that it
has slits in the sides of the box which were used to construct toys, such
as by adding wheels.





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:22
Subject: Re: question on "the" rose.

Where is this variation on the Kawasaki Rose diagrammed?  I haven't seen it.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
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From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:56
Subject: Lang chameleon

Feels like a while since I asked a question like this, but....

Is the chameleon-on-a-stick by Robert Lang diagramed and included in some
Convention book, or is it among such models as the moose and bat -
unpublished and eagerly awaited?

regards

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Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 00:36
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

In a message dated 11/4/99 11:18:31 PM, jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET writes:

<< >*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
>*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.

means (to the best of my knowledge).

"This message was sent with the help of a data processing program and
needs no signature." >>

Dank Jane. Es ist alle logisch jetzt.  Aber was ein lustiges Lieblingszitat!!
Auf wiedersehen, Kelly
**Faltend origami ist mein Lieblingsding zu machen!**





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 00:41
Subject: Re: question on "the" rose.

Hi Anna!  Check out Joseph Wu's site!!  Happy folding:)

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 03:03
Subject: Re: mathematicians

Hi Kelly!  Actually I haven't taken anything relating to origami math, so I
don't have an advantage.  I am taking Euclidean geometry next quarter
though for a random elective along with convex set theory and ode's.  I
personally like applied mathematics over pure mathematics because I'm more
interested in physics.  Did you see the crease pattern for the flasher in
Spirals?

David





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 03:43
Subject: Need diagrams for Swedis/German Star

Someone had a question.
If you know this please reply directly to the asking person at:

   Typisst39@prodigy.net

-------- Original Message --------
From: nobody@info2.service.rug.nl (WWW server via mailform)
Subject: WWW form from proxy8.ykt.prodigy.net
To: M.J.van.Gelder@KVI.nl

Commentaar=Although it is not strictly origami, I am very interested
in obtaining directions to make the Swedish/German Star that is used
as a Christmas ornament (possibly also an Easter Symbol.)  I have some
that are 50 years old and have always wanted to learn how to make
them.  Just today I found out what they are called.  Can you refer me
to a source?  I would be very appreciative.

Thank you.
M. Tuite
E-mail=Typisst39@prodigy.net
Instelling=
Locatie=USA
Naam=M. Tuite
Voorletters=met
herkomst=(none)





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 04:21
Subject: Re: new Ron Koh models

Theres a pooping dog model on the CDO site (with diagrams), the poop is an
seperate piece of paper though.

Heres the URL:-

http://195.31.193.71:80/cdo/modelli/elenco1999.html

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Walker [mailto:cw@JPS.NET]
Sent: 05 November 1999 03:35
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: new Ron Koh models

I also would like the diagrams for the pooping dog.  I've been battling for
months with my neighbor to keep her *&^%*! dog from leaving presents in my
yard.  I haven't read enough Harry Potter books to learn how to turn her dog
into a toad.  I think folding the pooping dog model would be good for me.





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 04:53
Subject: Re: New models

On 03-Nov-99, P Bailey (pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM) wrote:
>Ronald Koh wrote:

>> anything will do! Just write something! The poor guy has been
>> hanging around all this time waiting for business to come by, and all he
>> has had since the announcement is a wall of silence.

>I don't think you need to worry about it I for one always go and look
>when new diagrams are announced on the list serve.  I am also as bad as
>every one else on the net about leaving any comments about what I see
>and or download and then mangle.

I myself admit leeching avery single diagram I can but seldom
commenting them.  Maybe I can return the favor some day by
diagramming my few original creations and putting them on the net.
Unfortunately, some of them I plan displaying at the SOM3, and as
they differ quite a lot from the normally displayed models (me
thinks) I would like to make sure they stand out in the exhibition
by keeping them for myself until then.  Ooh, that was a long
sentence!

--
Jorma 'Q' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 04:53
Subject: Re: [NO]ILL - was bahamut

On 04-Nov-99, Gillian Wiseman (gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM) wrote:

>Unfortunately any money "earned" this way goes into the general city
>coffers, not to the library directly.

But this sends a message that you WILL prosecute thieves, which I
think will make some people think once more before stealing that
book.

BTW, the high (?) proportion of librarians on this list doesn't spook
me at all, I like to spend my time with nice people.  If you are at
even slightly like your Finnish colleagues you are just wonderful!

--
Jorma 'meet me at library' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 04:53
Subject: Re: Dividing edges (was: Knife, Ruler and the gecko and the fly)

On 05-Nov-99, Doug Philips (dwp@TRANSARC.COM) wrote:
>Paul Jackson indited:

>> I have a different method for dividing any length into exact 40ths.
>> By Fujimoto's 'Iterative' method, divide the edge into 5ths... [cut]

>My favorite method is Noma's method. No iterative process of closely spaced
>pinch marks, fixed minimal number of pinches which exactly locate the
>proportion desired, and division point marked with a pinch, not merely the
>overlapping of edges of the square.

If I can cut the paper, I usually

a) just fold in a little less than two fifths of the paper, then
b) fold down along the raw edge,
c) divide the two big rectangles in half, and
d) cut away the excess at one edge, using a crese from the
   previous step
e) use a diagnal fold to measure fifts in another direction

I can usually do it within a few millimeters, so I'm not wasting too
much paper.  Because one picture tells more than a thousand words,
here is an attempt at ASCII-art:

  c a c b d

+-+-+-+-+-++
|         ||
|          |
|         C|
|         U|
|         T|
|          |
|         ||
+---------++

Letters above should coincidence with the written instructions.  If
not, don't sue me, there's no warranty...

--
Jorma 'machete' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 04:53
Subject: Re: Lang chameleon

>Is the chameleon-on-a-stick by Robert Lang diagramed and included in some
>Convention book, or is it among such models as the moose and bat -
>unpublished and eagerly awaited?

The *MOOSE* was taught at the SOM2, maybe you should visit SOM3
next year!

(No, Dino didn't pay me anything for this ad...)
--
Jorma 'I didn't learn it' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:51
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

Kelly translated:

><< >*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
>>*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.
>
>means (to the best of my knowledge).
>
>"This message was sent with the help of a data processing program and
>needs no signature." >>

Jumpin' geraniums! So much for romance!

Scott (Ich bin eine Origamistanian) scram@landmarknet.net





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:51
Subject: NO: Librarians on the O-List

David Whitbeck writes that he is spooked by all the librarians on the list.
I'm delighted to find so many other people with the same profession as mine
on the list, and I've been enjoying this NO thread very much!
In recent times I've been more accustomed to hear that it's a rare
profession... along with remarks like: "Oh, you're a librarian... Have you
read all the books in your library?" (At this point, seized with
irrepressible laughter, I go to join Clare in her padded cell!!!)
Now, if you said all the ORIGAMI books, that might be easier...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

__________
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I   There are more possibilities than you imagine.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:51
Subject: Weak bindings

On the back cover of Dover books, I regularly read:

"We have made every effort to make this the best book possible. Our paper
is opaque, with minimal show-through; it will not discolor or become
brittle with age. Pages are bound in signatures, in the method
traditionally used for the best books, and will not drop out. Books open
flat for easy reference. The binding will not crack or split. This is a
permanent book."

So if your copy doesn't live up to those standards, why not write a
complaint letter to the publisher? If enough people do it, he will have to
realise something is wrong either with his claim or with the book...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

__________
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I
I__I__I__I__I   There are more possibilities than you imagine.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:55
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

Kelly added:

>Dank Jane. Es ist alle logisch jetzt.  Aber was ein lustiges
Lieblingszitat!!
>Auf wiedersehen, Kelly
>**Faltend origami ist mein Lieblingsding zu machen!**

    Which translated via Babelfish to:

Owing to Jane. It is everything logically now. But which a merry favourite
quotation!! Good-bye, Kelly ** folding origami are my favourite thing to be
made! * *

Scott (hopelessly lost in the translation) scram@landmarknet.net





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:02
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

In a message dated 11/4/99 12:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
klundber@MNSINC.COM writes:

<< Do you have an ISBN on this book? My search doesn't show a copy of this
book
 available.  The closest is a book by Toshie Takahama with this title.

 Kalei >>

Dear Kalei,

The numbers at the bottom of the back cover read:
    ISBN4-916096-32-0 C2072 2472E

The books retails in Japan for 2,472 yen which amounts to about US$25.00.

Also the title is "Joy of Origami" not "The Joy of Origami".  Not sure if
that makes a difference?

Good luck in finding a copy!

Yours,

June





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:12
Subject: Re: new Ron Koh models

Cindy is hardly alone in wishing for:

>diagrams for the pooping dog.

    Until we can bully Ron Koh into doing the *ahem* dirty work, a two-piece
model with the same theme can be found at:
http://195.31.193.71/cdo/modelli/mese0799.html

She added:

>I haven't read enough Harry Potter books to learn how to turn her dog
>into a toad.

You could try pointing your wand and shouting 'Amphibiumius Wartus!', but
make sure Mrs. Pomfrey is nearby.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:54
Subject: Re: mathematicians

Kellydunn2@AOL.COM writes:

> I'm scared by mathematicians.

Boo!

> What is it you are doing?

Well, I use math as an excuse to do origami *all the time* and call
it research!  <*maniacal laughter*>

> And, you have the
> educational edge in origami geometry, intimidating!

I'm not sure if I'd call it an "edge".  If I'm not careful, math can
be completely distracting.  I'll catch myself staring at a crease pattern
for hours rather than fold it into something beautiful.

As for flashers, there is some interesting math *and physics* that
explain how flashers work, but not a lot of straight theory.  In
fact, there are many "models" which, from a math-theory viewpoint,
should make very nice flashers, but which don't work at all in
practice due to the physical limitations of the paper.  (Even in the
"traditional" Shafer/Palmer flasher, the creases near the outside,
raw edges of the square never fold up as they should because of the
"creeping" that all the bunched-up layers cause.)  So I view
flashers as more of a physical challenge than a mathematical one.
(Although they do have very nice symmetries.)

> Are there any mathematicians listening?

I'm one!  Any others...?

---- Tom "strobe light syndicate" Hull
     Merrimack College

PS Anyone interested in origami-math might like to know that, slowly,
a cohesive body of knowledge is being brought together for the subject,
which should make it easier for people to learn.  E.g., next spring
I'll be teaching a junior/senior level course on it here at Merrimack
College.





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:58
Subject: Flashers

Is Jeremy Shafer's Flasher model diagrammed anywhere?

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:03
Subject: Re: new Ron Koh models

I'm working on it! I'm working on it!

Sheesh, did I bite off more than I can chew?

Scott Cramer wrote:
>
> Cindy is hardly alone in wishing for:
>
> >diagrams for the pooping dog.
>
>     Until we can bully Ron Koh into doing the *ahem* dirty work (snip)





From: Orazio Puglisi <puglisi@SCIENCE.UNITN.IT>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:10
Subject: Re: mathematicians

>> Are there any mathematicians listening?
>
>I'm one!  Any others...?
>
>---- Tom "strobe light syndicate" Hull
>     Merrimack College
>

I'm a mathematician too!

Orazio

============================================================================
Orazio Puglisi
Department of Mathematics
University of  Trento
I-38050 Povo
ITALY

puglisi@science.unitn.it





From: Robert Roos <rroos@ALLEG.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:46
Subject: Re: mathematicians

>> Are there any mathematicians listening?

I am. In fact, for some time now I've been meaning to ask if any of the
readers of this list have heard of the book:

        Mathematical reflections: in a room with many mirrors.
        Peter Hilton, Derek Holton, Jean Pedersen.
        New York : Springer, c1997.

which has an entire chapter devoted to paperfolding and number theory. I
just started looking at it last night. It deals mostly with folding strips
of paper into polygons, etc. I'm not far enough into to give a report.
However, according to the Springer web page about it, it's "...a
delightful romp...this is a book to dip into and enjoy." -Bulletin of the
London Mathematical Society.

Bob Roos





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:50
Subject: Re: mathematicians

>---- Tom "strobe light syndicate" Hull
>     Merrimack College
>
>PS Anyone interested in origami-math might like to know that, slowly,
>a cohesive body of knowledge is being brought together for the subject,
>which should make it easier for people to learn.  E.g., next spring
>I'll be teaching a junior/senior level course on it here at Merrimack
>College.

Cool!  Will you make a textbook -- so those of us far away, can get a small
portion of the benefit of the class by purchasing it?  While you might not
be able to get it traditionally published, you could try setting it up for
pay and download on pulpless.com or some place similar.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:50
Subject: Re: Flashers

>Is Jeremy Shafer's Flasher model diagrammed anywhere?
>
>--------------------------
>        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

Yes, in Robert Lang's book, Origami in Action.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:00
Subject: Re: Alright, I give up...help!

In a message dated 11/4/1999 2:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
klundber@MNSINC.COM writes:

> searching the web for the woven fish and bird models

Aloha Kalei,

Look for a book titled "What Are Fronds For?".
It has the bird and two fish.

The fish was on the Web, at
    http://www.pack-o-fun.com/_disc1/00000009.htm
but I can't find it at that Pack'o Fun site anymore.

You can sometimes find it as a giveaway sheet at
craft stores.

You might look at the book "Mathematical Models",
by Cundy and Rollett, in the chapter on "Plaited
Crystal Models", about a geometrical "basketweave"
technique for creating polyhedra from strips of paper,
one of about four different methods I've seen), some
of the polyhedra can be woven from straight strips.

And I found out by experimenting, that, if you cut the
'points' off the zig-zag strips, so they're straight strips,
sometimes they can still be woven together and hold
together. The resulting polyhedra have odd holes, and
look sort of 'airy', but not unpleasant.

I'm sorry, I'd look up more details, but I've been up all
night again, and I still have another letter to write.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:03
Subject: Re: Flashers

There's a Flasher shaped like a maze on BARF's page
http://www.krmusic.com/flasher_maze.htm

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:09
Subject: Re: Lang chameleon

At 09:30 AM 11/5/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>>Is the chameleon-on-a-stick by Robert Lang diagramed and included in some
>>Convention book, or is it among such models as the moose and bat -
>>unpublished and eagerly awaited?
>
>The *MOOSE* was taught at the SOM2, maybe you should visit SOM3
>next year!
>

And Lang's bat was taught by Yusri Yohan at ORCA this year.

Great model.

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com
http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/





From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:19
Subject: Re: mathematicians

Anna Weathers writes:

>>>
Cool!  Will you make a textbook -- so those of us far away, can get a small
portion of the benefit of the class by purchasing it?  While you might not
be able to get it traditionally published, you could try setting it up for
pay and download on pulpless.com or some place similar.
<<<

I've actually been working on such a book for a long time now.  But
I'm a perfectionist and want to "do it right" - i.e., create a
solid foundation for studying the math behind origami which could
lead to more research.  Teaching a course on the subject and writing
a book are not the same thing!  But rest assured, it is in progress.

And several publishers have already approached me about this book,
so I don't think I'd have any trouble getting it published by
traditional means.

Thanks for the interest, though!  One thing I might do is add notes or
homework problems from the course to my existing origami-math webpage:
http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull
I'll be sure to post a message to this list if-and-when I do that.

----- Tom "I wanna grow up to be big bird" Hull





From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:23
Subject: Re: Origami Insects falling apart

My book's falling apart as well.  Probably due to frustration ;)

<<<<<<<<
My Origami Insects book also fell apart and I've been quite gentle with it.
Dover used to have a reputation for quality book binding.  Times have
changed.
-Cindy

>The entire middle of my book fell out...I dont even think I provoked this,
>either
>
>> Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!
>How
>> many other people on this list had this problem?





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:17
Subject: Re: Origami Insects falling apart

My copy is ok probably due to folding none of them 8-)

Sy Chen

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 ------------------
My book's falling apart as well.  Probably due to frustration
;)

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From: "Martin L. Demaine" <mldemain@DAISY.UWATERLOO.CA>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:27
Subject: Catelogue folding

Hi everyone,

I read about Bob Allen in Eric Kenneway's "Complete Origami".  Apparently Bob
Allen has collected several traditional mail-order catalogue foldings and
designed some as well.  Catalogue foldings are where each page of the catalogue
is folded the same and then the catalogue is opened up 360 degrees with the
first page against the last page, forming shapes such as a Christmas tree or
bell.

Kenneway mentions that Bob lives in Northfield Falls, Vermont, but I was
unable to locate him there using Bell information.  Does anyone know how to
contact him?

I am interested in learning more about catalogue foldings.  Can anyone direct
me to other people who might be of help?  Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Marty
--
Martin Demaine            \\ "The greatest invention of the nineteenth
Dept. of Computer Science  \\  century was the invention of the method of
University of Waterloo      \\  invention" -Alfred North Whitehead (1861-1947)
Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1  \\





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:50
Subject: Re: NO: Librarians on the O-List

In a message dated 11/5/99, 7:52:14 AM, ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
<<along with remarks like: "Oh, you're a librarian... Have you
read all the books in your library?">>

People tend to generalize my career like that, too. When I tell people I'm a
programmer, I invariably get the "Oh- you know 'computers'.  I'm having this
problem on the Internet, and..."  People automatically assume that every
"computer person" knows everything about them, and...

(so I lie, take the money and run...)

Rob





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:56
Subject: Re: NO  Quote Translation

In a message dated 11/5/99 1:56:12 PM, scram@LANDMARKNET.NET writes:

<< Owing to Jane. It is everything logically now. But which a merry favourite

quotation!! Good-bye, Kelly ** folding origami are my favourite thing to be

made! * *

Scott >>

o thanks Scott, you're making me look good now! Kelly





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:58
Subject: Re: Flashers

>>Is Jeremy Shafer's Flasher model diagrammed anywhere?
>>
>>--------------------------
>>        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)
>
>Yes, in Robert Lang's book, Origami in Action.
>
>Anna
>
>Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
>"In paradox truth."

Also in OT 4 page 184 and 185 are the Flasher Supreme and the Flasher
Supreme II.

David





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 15:13
Subject: NO: NO  Quote Translation

Kelly wrote:

><< Owing to Jane. It is everything logically now. But which a merry
favourite
>quotation!! Good-bye, Kelly ** folding origami are my favourite thing to be
>made! * *
>thanks Scott, you're making me look good now! Kelly

        All I did was paste the German in your post to the Babelfish
Translator at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate and had it translated from
German to English.

    The previous sentence, translated to German and back into English,
reads:

Everything, which was I, paste the German in your post to the
compiler/translator Babelfish to http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi
bin/translate and it had translated of GermanEnglish.

    If you want some real fun, type a familiar quote, or poem, or song lyric
in, and  see how it gets Babeled.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:30
Subject: Re: mathematicians

In a message dated 11/5/99 2:54:52 PM, tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU writes:

<< Boo! >>
o-no, Tomas Hull is listening.
I've seen your web page and you are very intimidating,
especially the pictures of you and those things. ; )!
It's good to hear that you are only an origami spy working undercover as a
mathematician, and spend hours staring at creases, because I printed out your
explanation of a Five Intersecting Tetrahedra, and have spent weeks staring
at it. It's pretty in print.
<<So I view flashers as more of a physical challenge than a mathematical one.
(Although they do have very nice symmetries.)>>
okay, so here you are showing your "edge," not a mathematical challenge at
all?!
All you have to do is go work out, and then you can whip up a flasher.
If this is easy, how is it done? Are you still listening?
Kelly "I love Bucky Fuller and want to live in a dymaxion world and a
geodesic dome" Dunn
p.s. concerned about why you are thinking of becoming a big bird. Do you mean
math angle Angel?





From: Kellydunn2@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:39
Subject: Re: mathematicians

In a message dated 11/5/99 8:04:00 AM, dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:

<< Did you see the crease pattern for the flasher in Spirals? >>

Thanks David. good, so no advantage. Not, that I'm being competitive, just
intimidated by what it is you do there. No, is Spirals a magazine? How do I
find it?
I want to fold a flasher.
Kelly





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:17
Subject: Re: Origami Insects falling apart

In a message dated 11/5/99 11:24:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM writes:

<< My book's falling apart as well.  Probably due to frustration ;)

 <<<<<<<<
 My Origami Insects book also fell apart and I've been quite gentle with it.
 Dover used to have a reputation for quality book binding.  Times have
 changed.
 -Cindy

 >The entire middle of my book fell out...I dont even think I provoked this,
 >either
 >
 >> Hi Tim I had the same binding problem with my copy of Origami Insects!
 >How
 >> many other people on this list had this problem?
 >>>>>>>>
  >>

Dear All,

I wonder why everyone's having so much trouble with their books falling
apart?  Is it because you are trying to keep your books flat open while you
are folding a model and looking at the diagrams?  Are you "breaking" the
binding in order to keep the book flat by forcing the center area down with
your palms?

I have a clear cookbook holder which I use to hold my origami books open
while I fold.  This keeps the book open to the page I need without doing any
harm to the binding.  It also keeps the book in an upright position which is
easier to read.  I would suggest that everyone run out a get yourself one of
these book holders to save your origami books NOW!  You will never have any
trouble again and will save the life of your valuable origami books.  :)

Yours,

June





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:29
Subject: Re: mathematicians

Hi Kelly actually I said Spirals because I get confused over which volume
is which!  I meant one of the Spirals books by Tomoko Fuse.  But Origami
Tanteidan Convention book number 4 has it as well.  I'm sorry I don't know
what I was smoking it wasn't in either volumes.  Before people start asking
what I'm smoking I'll just mumble something about having a special edition,
yes that's it, a special edition

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:35
Subject: Re: Origami Insects falling apart

Hi June, my book came apart shortly after I bought.  I don't break the
binding of my origami books I use my keyboard to hold it open while I fold.
For those who want to imagine the situation, I have a table with monitor
and keyboard on the left and on the floor is tower computer.  I simply hold
the book open with use of the keyboard on the left and use the middle of
the table to fold. It's simply bad binding that caused my book to fall
apart.

to libel against Dover: But I must say bad binding for one book is not
enough to say that Dover's gone bad.  I have many Dover books and that's
the only one with a binding problem so leave it alone, it's one of my
favorite publishing presses.  Where would we be without it?

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:39
Subject: [NO] Re: mathematicians

I'm sure more mathematicians would have replied to this thread but it was
too late for them: the rigour set in and they are frozen in place in front
of their keyboards!!!  Hahhahah!!!! We all knew that perfectly true
statements had there price.  A proof of this statement will be done by
exhaustion, and I'm already tired!

David
ps if you got any of these jokes you just might be a math geek.





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:51
Subject: Re: Lang chameleon

>From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Lang chameleon
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:54:10 +1100
>
>Feels like a while since I asked a question like this, but....
>
>Is the chameleon-on-a-stick by Robert Lang diagramed and included in some
>Convention book, or is it among such models as the moose and bat -
>unpublished and eagerly awaited?
>

Where did you here about this model?  Does it have a picture on the
internet.  What about the bat? I have never heard of these models.

Thanks
Collin Weber

PS Hey Michael!  what about those rat diagrams?

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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:10
Subject: Re: Lang chameleon

>From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Lang chameleon
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:07:50 -0800
>
>At 09:30 AM 11/5/1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >>Is the chameleon-on-a-stick by Robert Lang diagramed and included in
>some
> >>Convention book, or is it among such models as the moose and bat -
> >>unpublished and eagerly awaited?
> >
> >The *MOOSE* was taught at the SOM2, maybe you should visit SOM3
> >next year!
> >
>
>And Lang's bat was taught by Yusri Yohan at ORCA this year.
>
>Great model.
>
>
>John Marcolina
>San Jose, CA.
>jmarcoli@cisco.com
>http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/

I really wish I could get to a convention.  It seems like I miss so much

Thanks
Collin

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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:29
Subject: Bringing origami to life

I finally got my copy of Montroll's new book and I'm quite surprised.  It is
very different.  I think the theme is wetfolding Right?  Is he respnding to
the distaste of anti-montrollists and their complaints against flat animal
models?  I really like it especially the coyote!

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