




From: Vandy Vandeberg <rvandeberg@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 09:30
Subject: Re: $ bill Viking Helmet

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Count me among the people who would like to the $Viking diagrams.&nbsp;
Thanks for the offer.
<p>Papa Joe wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I have finished diagraming the "$Viking Helmet".
<br>(2 JPG pics 800X600)
<p>If anyone is interested in the diagrams just E-mail me.
<p>Happy Folding!
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     bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 10:30
Subject: NO: Re: Disappearing Library Origami Books

Jamrs Storrs wrote:

Libraries which claim inordinate numbers of stolen or mutilated items might
     look to their administrative policies and the vigilance of the staff. ...
---------------------------

I don't think it has anything to with administrative policies or staff
     vigilance.  I think it has to do with human nature.  There is a LARGE body
     of library literature dealing with theft in the library and ways to try to
     cut it down.  There have even been
 popular books written with sections on some of the largest thefts.  The people
     who have discussed it on this list are all from different parts of the
     country and deal with different size library systems.  We have security
     systems, but all they seem to do
 is inspire more creativity in stealing books.  Neither Gillian nor I have been
     talking about amounts of theft that are considered to be inordinate in the
     library world.  It only seems inordinate to you since you are unaware of
     the scope of the problem.

If there is any correlation between which libraries experience more theft, I
     would hazard a guess that metropolitan libraries lose more since
     metropolitan areas have more theft problems in general.  It is harder to
     steal when everybody knows everbody.

Public libraries also have some unique problems just from being public
     libraries.  Since they are supported by public tax money, the public
     legitimately feels they own the libraries.  Somehow it just doen't seem as
     much like stealing when you own it.  Als
 , I have overheard people talk when I am not in a library about how they feel
     they need to take and keep their tax money from the library, little
     realizing that the amount of property tax money distributed to the local
     library from each residence only am
 unts to a couple of dollars at the most from each household.  Libraries are
     government agencies.  There is a growing dislike and distrust and desire
     to "stick it to" all government agencies.

There is one more unique problem that libraries face.  Public libraries strive,
     some more successfully than others, to provide information on all subjects
     and all points of view.  When materials disappear in some areas we just
     never know if they were take
  by self-appointed censors trying, in their opinion, to protect the public or
     by people who just plain wanted the material.

There are also regional variations in what is taken.  An Illinois library,
     Chicago I believe, buys 200 copies of Catcher in the Rye each year just to
     keep a couple of copies on the shelf.  That isn't quite as hot of an item
     here, but we cannot keep copies
 of the Koran on the shelf.

As to whether or not theft in libraries has increased, I do not know.  I
     suspect it has along with a general eroding of respect for institutions.
     Aeons ago when I worked as an aide and also handled registration and
     records of overdue materials, theft by
 ot returning materials was a big problem.  When we looked for items on the
     shelf, we never knew if they were checked out or what.  The electronic
     catalog and checkout systems now let us quickly identify items that are
     missing so we now have a feel for th
  true size of the problem.

Despite all this, most of the materials that disappear are not the result of
     some nefarious plot.  They are misplaced, forgotten by the customer,
     become overdue and then the person feels it is not worth the hassle to
     bring them back, packed away in moving
 boxes, and the like.  One can hope.

Enough of this soapbox!  Let's get back to folding!

Carol Martinson





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 10:30
Subject: Re: [NO] Hermit for 9 years

Maybe it's because I am (if not already there) rapidly approaching old
geezer-hood, but I prefer to fold, carve, read, garden, hike, and do a myriad of
other things rather than sit in front of a monitor playing, what in my opinion
are, essentially unproductive, uncreative, unrewarding, and mind numbing games.
SuperNintendo and Sony Playstation are not something I would remotely consider
owning.  So I must protest, that my ignorance of such things does not make me a
hermit.  On the contrary, holed up playing such things, is to me, far more
hermit-like.

Of course, when/if I have grandchildren, I'll probably be brought up to speed,
     but
not without some misgivings about what the world's coming to - another thing
     some
of us old geezers occasionally ponder and shake our heads about..

Martha Winslow-Cole

Paul Chabot wrote:

> maybe it's because i'm 17 but......
> If you have not been a hermit for the past 9 some odd years, then two little
> things called SuperNintendo and Sony Playstation have been out.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 10:47
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

Not all libraries are equipped with magnetic codes, and you can fool even
     those... but I don't want to give anyone any bad ideas!!!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch

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From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 11:04
Subject: BOS highlights - the story continues

If you pop to the BOS site, the latest series of highlights is
available, covering issues 150-159. Many interesting articles are in
there, along with the existing highlights from issue 100 onwards.

Very special thanks again to Dennis Walker, who typed them all in for
me! Typists are an unsung fraternity generally, which is why the BOS
honoured Brian Cole some years ago for contributing many hundreds of
thousands of words for the BOS magazine prior to the age of the word-
processor & Internet.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@purplepeople.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 11:17
Subject: The Magic of Origami Exhibit

Hi All:

I attended "The Magic of Origami" exhibit by Ruthanne Bessmann in
Madison, WI. There was a wonderful reception the evening of Oct 29,
which included a fabulous buffet of cheese and crackers, taco dip and
chips, veggies and dill dip (all of my favorites, hehehe) and a
raspberry punch made with real berries. Yummy!

Ms. Bessmann entered the room wearing a lovely blue Kimono, which she
later told me was a borrowed wedding dress she acquired by pure luck
that very morning. She graciously greeted all her guests and took time
to talk to everyone. She is a delightful person. I didn t realize until
I saw her that we had already met (very briefly) last year in Charlotte
during the South Eastern Origami Festival, where she won grand prize of
the  Origami Fashion Show .  She was covered from head to toe in a
beautiful paper Japanese Doll outfit.

My favorite piece in the gallery was a large framed collage (for lack of
a better word) of (at least) one hundred origami ornaments (that
stretched bird base one). It was such a neat idea the way she had them
arranged and the color choices were beautiful. Another  eye catcher  was
a Crane grouping made from a single sheet of paper. There was a really
cute  Frog Orchestra  on lily pads and an awesome Parrot sitting on a
perch hanging from the ceiling. I could go on and on .it was a pleasure
to view such a marvelous collection of models. Her paper choices really
brought out the beauty of each piece.

I also met Joe Gillard (PapaJoe) at the reception, a very nice man. He
shared several dollar bill folds with me, his Butterfly and Viking
Helmet (very cool), a stand up Heart version with other modifications,
and a rotating tetrahedron. What really amazed me was the rate at which
he could transform the bills into models in mid air without diagrams.

It was an enjoyable evening and a pleasure to meet Ms Bessmann. I feel
very lucky to have been able to attend.

Kathy  <*))))><





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 13:44
Subject: Re: Why diagram?

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
> . . . .  I am curious as to what drives
> people to diagram.  Few peopl seem to like the process, so there must be
> something more to it. . . .

To which Bob Stack replied:
> . . . share , share , and share.  Clearly . . . is the first reason for
> diagramming. . . .

and Kenneth Kawamura added:
> . . . .
> 4 - Most of us learned from documents prepared by those
>      who preceded us. Creating more documents of new works,
>      is a way of returning the favor . . . .
>
> 5 - As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, we document to
>      help ourselves remember. (Not all of us have photographic
>      memories. Mine's definitely not.)
>
> 6 - We document (or teach) to preserve and share the craft.
> . . . .

As someone who has diagrammed both my own and others' work, both for my
personal use and for publication, I basically agree with those responses.
Usually, I diagram folds which have not been published (if they have been,
I try to get a published copy, although occasionally the price and/or
lack of availability makes this probibitive). My primary reason is so that
I can "remember" the fold (of course, if I really remembered it, I wouldn't
need the diagrams, but since I forget very easily the diagrams help remind
me).

Next, I do it so that I can share the fold (or more properly the instructions
for the folds) with others (assuming the fold is mine or I have permission
from its creator). I tend to "lose" folds that I don't have the diagrams for,
and I'm sure many others are the same way, so creating and sharing diagrams
seems like a good way of helping spread the pleasure that I have found in
origami.

To me, this issue is related to the "art vs. craft" debate. I am one of those
who thinks that origami can be both, depending on the folder and the fold,
but I personally prefer the craft aspect, by which I mean the possibility of
repeatable results. The artistic creations of the masters are wonderful, but
I know I could never make them myself, no matter how many instructions I had,
since they require an act of creation and not simply following a recipe.

On the other hand, there are many folds which can be (and have been) reproduced
by people of all ages and talent levels, and those are the folds I tend to be
more interested in. By their very nature, I think, these folds lend themselves
to being diagrammed. They don't achieve their full potential in a single model
by a "master", but in a room full of people happily making their own versions,
which makes them (IMHO) more social and easier to share.

Personally, I like figuring out how to convey the series of steps needed to
produce them in a clear and concise way -- in other words, I actually like
diagramming (although I sometimes wish I were faster at it!). (But before I'm
deluged with requests, let me say that I only diagram models I like, and I've
got some projects lined up which will probably last several months!)

Mike "Just one person's opinion" Naughton





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 14:42
Subject: $$ Folds WAS: Re: The Magic of Origami Exhibit

In a message dated 10/31/99 1:16:08 PM Central Standard Time,
kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM writes:

<<
 I also met Joe Gillard (PapaJoe) at the reception, a very nice man. He
 shared several dollar bill folds with me, his Butterfly and Viking
 Helmet (very cool), a stand up Heart version with other modifications,
 and a rotating tetrahedron. What really amazed me was the rate at which
 he could transform the bills into models in mid air without diagrams.
  >>
Kathy,

I hope you learned some of those $$ folds... so NEXT YEAR, in Charlotte, we
won't be shown up by our waiter!

Russell

DARE TO FOLD!





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:21
Subject: Re: magical moments was re: Re: CRUMPLED Paper FROG

Can we share more origami "magical moments".  I have had so many of them over
the past 39 years.......





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:21
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

<- Original Text ->

Carol I have a question: how do thieves manage to smuggle them out of the
library when the unchecked books aren't demagnetised?

David

Ahhhh. .... What a loaded question.

Let's just say they disappear mysteriously, secretly, anonymously ...

Carol Martinson





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:31
Subject: Sv:      Re: Why diagram?

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael J. Naughton <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Why diagram?

I the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North
Agree with all the reasons mentioned
but I can let you in on something
that you probably have suspected
already for a long time.

The reason Thoki Yenn is fighting so hard
with his inabilities  in trying to make Diagrams
for his designs is pure vanity, pure self-glorification.
He wants to be known and liked
he wants to know that people will fold his designs
so that they will remember him.

That's  why he was so pleased to be mentioned in
the song Origami Mambo by Kathy  <*))))><.

Thank you.Kathy  <*))))><. for thinking about the old geezer.

"For who can bear to feel himself forgotten?"
I have forgotten who said so.

Please, Please look at http://www.thok.dk/tangram.html

Greetings from G&G, your nabour in Cyberspace.





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:37
Subject: Happy Halloween!

    In celebration of Halloween, we dressed up at work on Friday, and then I
threw a pumpkin-carving party on Saturday.  For both events I decorated with
various origami, including the Happy Good Luck Bat and some of Anita
Barbour's skulls and such.  My cats were going crazy watching the bats I
tied onto the ceiling fan.  I was happy to see that the majority of the
origami wound up going home with co-workers and friends.

    My personal favorite were the roaches I made from David Derudas' Ladybug
(can be found on the CDO website.)  At work, we slipped them into the
buckets that were going to different areas of the pharmacy.  hee hee, they
made several people jump when they reached in...  Hopefully, none of them
got mailed out to our customers.   I don't think they'd appreciate finding
even a paper roach in with their medicine. Several of my co-workers took
roaches home to surprise their loved(?) ones.

Just thought I'd share that.

Happy Halloween!

Phil

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
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http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:42
Subject: The gecko and the fly diagram

Hi!

Can anyone remind me where on the internet I saw the Diagram to Herman's Gecko
and fly on wall - diagram? Thanks in advance!

Anine

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From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:59
Subject: Re: The gecko and the fly diagram

I got the diagrams from http://www.papierfalten.de/en/

Apart from producing a 40*40 grid the model is a joy to fold. There are so
many clever moves.





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 16:42
Subject: The gecko and the fly paper

Hi again!

I now found the diagram. Herman has written some comments to the diagram and
he says among other things that he uses KRAFT paper for it! Can anyone tell me
what KRAFT paper is?
Thanks in advance!

Anine

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From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 16:44
Subject: Re: why diagram?

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hello!
        Between 1972 and 1997, I diagrammed solely to record my own origami
     designs
, to keep from losing them.  I also copied diagrams from books that were not
mine to keep (Jack Skillman's Jackstone, for example and a wonderful multi-
layered chicken, from library books).
        But in 1997, I joined an origami club and began to want to share my
     designs
.  Since then, diagramming has been an exciting challenge, coming up with
ways to adapt the standard notational system to my needs and to improve the
accuracy of the hand-done drawings.  That's not to say it isn't sometimes a
chore, but it is one I don't mind tackling and usually enjoy.  Especially
now that I have an outlet for the diagrams -- my web page.  Thank you to all
of you who have visited the site, downloaded & folded my models; and a big
{{{hug}}} for mentioning it here on the o-list!

By the way, thank you Thoki -- I displayed your abstract model to illustrate
part of a talk I did for a local women's group this week -- it was much
admired, along with traditional models, some of my own, and ones designed by
Akira Yoshizawa, Jun Maekawa, Tomoko Fuse, Makoto Yamaguchi, Kunihiko
Kasahara and Toshikazu Kawasaki, all of which were a big hit!

Anita F. Barbour
http://www.ulster.net/~spider/origami.htm





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 16:52
Subject: Rectangular Boxes

I was in Duluth recently when I stumbled across an
origami addict who owned a used paperback bookstore.
I folded a couple of things for her from memory while
I waited for my friend to complete some purchases.
She then asked me if I knew of any rectangular boxes.
She didn't care if the paper used was square or not.
What she wanted was a box that ended up being
rectangular in shape.  Not being a person that folds
many boxes, I said I would look.  The model index
produced three possibilities, none of which appear to
be what she was looking for.

Can anyone suggest some models or perhaps a book that
I could suggest she purchase?

Thanks,

Carol Martinson

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From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 17:36
Subject: Re: Rectangular Boxes

>I was in Duluth recently when I stumbled across an
>origami addict who owned a used paperback bookstore.
>I folded a couple of things for her from memory while
>I waited for my friend to complete some purchases.
>She then asked me if I knew of any rectangular boxes.
>She didn't care if the paper used was square or not.
>What she wanted was a box that ended up being
>rectangular in shape.  Not being a person that folds
>many boxes, I said I would look.  The model index
>produced three possibilities, none of which appear to
>be what she was looking for.
>
>Can anyone suggest some models or perhaps a book that
>I could suggest she purchase?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carol Martinson
>
>
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>
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Folding boxes have always been a problem in origami, usually due to a loose
end left over.  This problem is neatly solved in the weaver shuttle box ,
invented by a little old lady named Marie Evert of New Jersey and is
written up in a book titled Pasteless Construction with Paper.  Her box was
folded square and I have adapted her weaver shuttle procedure to
rectangular paper to form a simple rectangular box.  The diagrams for it
can be found in my Modern Origami, republished recently by Dover
Publications.   I was going to suggest it as one of the origami for the
century.





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 18:38
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

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From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 20:14
Subject: Measuring big pieces of paper!

Hi!

I found the gecko and fly on wall diagram, went home all excited and impatient
to start folding it and what happens? The usual! I draw the lines for the
40*40 square using a ruler and a triangle to measure 90 degrees on the
corners, cut it (this time with a scissor to make sure that it'll be cut
exactly on the line), start folding and realises that I'm have 45 cm in one
end of the square! AAAARRGGGHHH!!! Why can I NEVER do it right when I want to
cut my own size?
I bought that ruler with the knife attached to it, but haven't quite figured
out yet if it's actually straight or not, also it slips as soon as I push it
against the paper. Now that ruler and a 90 degrees triangle don't work I'm
desperate to hear how you handle this problem? How do you cut paper? (Cause
I'm still to find the PERFECT way) But most important how do you measure it
right so that it has the exact measurements and 90 degrees on the corners? (I
would have written that in capital letters, but thought someone might be
offended by it.. it would just be to show my frustration right now).
I almost threw the paper far away when I saw the "mistake".
How can it be wrong when using a ruler and measuring 90 degrees?
HEEELLLPPP!!!!
Hope to get some answers soon!
And sorry for my language, but I just feel like screaming right now ;)
All the best!
               Anine

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 20:44
Subject: Re: [NO] Hermit for 9 years

Thanks Paul Chabot for the reply.  Now I know where it came from!  I'm
twenty, but I don't play video games and haven't for a long time.  I find
that they're more like a way to burn time, instead of being something fun
to do.  I prefer to read a book or enjoy a nice fold.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 20:53
Subject: Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!

Hi Anine!  I have a simple suggestion for an easy solution.  Simply cut
twice!  Once in what you know is excess that is 40x45 say, then fold a
diagonal and fold the excess up and cut off the excess and voila a 40x40
square!  Okay I know you're not impressed with my obvious advice but I
thought I would give it anyway.

David





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 22:33
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

Carol Martinson indited:

+Oh, by the way, lest I be labelled a complete cynic, I have donated
+more origami books to the library and also local history books, another
+high theft area that Gillian didn't mention in her most accurate list
+of disappearing books.

So much for the wonderful "sharing" attitude of folders. Or perhaps its
our arch-enemies, the Kirigamists, who are snipping the supply of
origami books, to divert those who would be otherwise drawn to the
light of origami into their scissored fold.

Oooooooooooooooo the uncertainty of it all!

Just don't tell them to cut it out!

All Hail the Un-Cut Square!

-Daddy-o "Just 'cause I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to steal my
library's books!" D'gou

P.S. ;-)





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 31 Oct 1999 23:17
Subject: Library security systems

The question was raised here as to how lowlifes are able to cavalierly steal
what they want with security systems in place.  If I remember correctly, a
librarian gave an answer implying that it is a state secret, and that if it
got out, libraries everywhere would be practically emptied posthaste.
   The fact is, these systems have to be simple in operation because so many
circulation staff with minimal skills have to be able to understand enough
about them to use them.  If you take three fairly bright teen-age boys into
any library and give them a little time, at least two can describe how the
security system operates and how to circumvent it.
   Having been a librarian in another life, the first thing I do when I
visit a library for the first time is figure out their system.   I don't
purloin books (or anything else); it's just a challenge.
James





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 01:45
Subject: [NO] Re: Library security systems

Isn't it true that some books, like library books and text books have
magnetic strips in them.  If it's easy to remove the strip then the book
can be safely stolen.  But how easy is that?  There has to be a quick,
cheap way to demagnetize the dang thing.  Not that I'm planning on stealing
any library books just curious how those wicked, evil theives do it.

David





From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 02:06
Subject: Re: Library security systems

Of course, if you live in a little humburg town like I do, the best way to
     circumvent my public
library is just to walk out.  We have no security on books, and we have a whole
     section of
"loaner" books that require no card to check out, just the honor system.  Of
     course, we have
a book here from the 50's on origami and quite a few loanable books from the
     1800's, so
maybe the honor system works after all...

El

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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:19
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

>If your blade is wandering, it is probably too sharp.
>I suggest dulling it a little.  As a dullness guide,
>I can press the blades of my Sabattier knives into
>the pads of my fingers and even run the blade
>along the pads with quite some pressure without any
>danger of cutting myself........

I keep my penknife sharp enough to cut my fingers (as I keep finding out)
and it still doesn't waver along the crease. Its probably more a case of
practicing keeping your hand at a fixed height as you cut along, I generally
have my hand over the edge of the table with the paper just on the table.

(I usually have some fruit at lunch time so I want my knife to be able to
cut that up too, theres nothing worse that trying to cut up an orange with a
knife that wont actually cut the oranges skin.)

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:28
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

Are libraries run differently in the USA? Here I have a library ticket and I
can only borrow 8 items at a time.

This is an computerised system, but even as a child the local library had 4
tickets with my name on which I could use but after that I had to return
something to get something else out.

--------------------------
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From: Elaina Quackenbush <elaina_quackenbush@NETZERO.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:34
Subject: Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books

Hi, here no.  I just live in a really small town, that fortunately all the
     library members are fairly
honest.

The section that loans out book does so as a courtesy thing, regular books can
     be checked
out 6 at a time.

El

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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:36
Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again

I finally finished one over the weekend. I made it with some fairly thin
coloured origami paper and it holds together very well.

I am making one at work with white copier paper, its very difficult to tell
where everything should go though but maybe this lunchtime I'll get that
third & fourth tetrahedrons in place.....

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Javier Cubero [mailto:JCubero@XL.COM]
Sent: 27 October 1999 18:15
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again

After all the furor, I checked out the website at work.  Unable to wait,
I used copier paper in white, gray, goldenrod, and blue, and a pizza
flyer that was printed on green heavyweight paper. :-)  (I was desperate
to fold!)
I made each piece 1.5"x4.5", and once a tetrahedron was assembled had no
trouble at all with it staying together. YMMV.
Now, I had trouble keeping the joints of my brain from flying apart
while trying to visualize how each succeeding tetrahedron went into the
pattern, but that's different. :-)

I'm going to do another tonight out of kami in better colors...

Javier Cubero
jcubero@xl.com





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 05:58
Subject: Re: $$ Folds WAS: Re: The Magic of Origami Exhibit

Subject: $$ Folds WAS: Re: The Magic of Origami Exhibit

>
> I hope you learned some of those $$ folds... so NEXT YEAR, in Charlotte,
we
> won't be shown up by our waiter!

Hey, This sounds like a good story :-)

I can see it now...
You give the waiter a jumping frog and get back a perfect frog with toes
(webing and all) in mid hop, mouth open,tongue extended and a perfect
minature fly (in mid flight) on the tip ).

Papa (I want to hear this) Joe





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 07:04
Subject: Re: Library security systems

Ye gads, El!  Do you realize what you've done?  No doubt word has already
gotten out, and "they" are on the way!
======================
From: Elaina >

Subject: Re: Library security systems

> Of course, if you live in a little humburg town like I do, the best way to
circumvent my public
> library is just to walk out.  We have no security on books, and we have a
whole section of
> "loaner" books that require no card to check out, just the honor system.
Of course, we have
> a book here from the 50's on origami and quite a few loanable books from
the 1800's, so
> maybe the honor system works after all...
>
> El





From: James Storrs <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 07:17
Subject: NO:  Disappearing Origami Books

Any retail booksellers out there?  Now I'm wondering if these lightfingered,
overzealous "collectors" havoc your stores as they apparently do hapless
public libraries?   Is it necessary for you to keep these titles in locked
cases, like I see cigarettes at the grocery?

James





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 07:44
Subject: Re: [Re: NO - ILL & Disappearing Books]

-----
Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK> wrote:
Are libraries run differently in the USA? Here I have a library ticket and I
can only borrow 8 items at a time.

This is an computerised system, but even as a child the local library had 4
tickets with my name on which I could use but after that I had to return
something to get something else out.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)
-----

I think in Denmark the max at my local library was 20 books?

Anine

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From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:13
Subject: Re: [Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!]

----
david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> wrote:
Hi Anine!  I have a simple suggestion for an easy solution.  Simply cut
twice!  Once in what you know is excess that is 40x45 say, then fold a
diagonal and fold the excess up and cut off the excess and voila a 40x40
square!  Okay I know you're not impressed with my obvious advice but I
thought I would give it anyway.

David
----

Well, imagine the paper is 40cm in one end of the square and 45cm in the
opposite end of the square, then how can I fold it diagonally when the two
sides doesn't have the same measurements? Hope you get what I mean.
Usually when you fold diagonally you make one side follow the other line, but
you can't do that when the angle isn't 90 degrees and the width is different
in the two corners..
Best wishes!

Anine

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From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:21
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Library security systems

David,

Despite allusions to the contrary, it is simply just not ethical to reveal how
     to circumvent the security systems of the place where you work, whether it
     is a library, a bank, or a jewelry store, whether or not it is a simple or
     a complex system, and whet
 er or not the information can be easily obtained somewhere.  I can express
     opinions about the system, but I cannot tell you how to defeat it even if
     the question is asked in complete innocence.

Carol Martinson





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:42
Subject: Re: [Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!]

In a message dated 11/1/99 8:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, anine20@USA.NET
writes:

<<
 Well, imagine the paper is 40cm in one end of the square and 45cm in the
 opposite end of the square, then how can I fold it diagonally when the two
 sides doesn't have the same measurements? Hope you get what I mean.
 Usually when you fold diagonally you make one side follow the other line, but
 you can't do that when the angle isn't 90 degrees and the width is different
 in the two corners..
 Best wishes!
  >>

Dear Anine,

Let's say you have a shape with East (45 cm) and West (40 cm) sides which are
not the same length and the North and South sides are but the angles are not
true 90 degrees anywhere.
(It would seem that your ruler strayed from the true 90 degree angle when you
drew the lines.)

Perhaps if you took your triangle to determine a true 90 degree angle along
the shorter 40 cm. edge using the South side as your base (trim off any
excess from the West side) and then measured 40 cm. from the South base line
to the North line on the East side and trimmed off the excess at a 90 degree
angle you would have a "perfect" square, no?

I realize this may be confusing.  Very sorry.  Wish I could explain it
better.  Anyone else wanna try?

Yours,

June Sakamoto





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:55
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!]]

---------------
Foldmaster@AOL.COM wrote:
In a message dated 11/1/99 8:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, anine20@USA.NET
writes:

<<
 Well, imagine the paper is 40cm in one end of the square and 45cm in the
 opposite end of the square, then how can I fold it diagonally when the two
 sides doesn't have the same measurements? Hope you get what I mean.
 Usually when you fold diagonally you make one side follow the other line,
but
 you can't do that when the angle isn't 90 degrees and the width is different
 in the two corners..
 Best wishes!
  >>

Dear Anine,

Let's say you have a shape with East (45 cm) and West (40 cm) sides which are
not the same length and the North and South sides are but the angles are not
true 90 degrees anywhere.
(It would seem that your ruler strayed from the true 90 degree angle when you
drew the lines.)

Perhaps if you took your triangle to determine a true 90 degree angle along
the shorter 40 cm. edge using the South side as your base (trim off any
excess from the West side) and then measured 40 cm. from the South base line
to the North line on the East side and trimmed off the excess at a 90 degree
angle you would have a "perfect" square, no?

I realize this may be confusing.  Very sorry.  Wish I could explain it
better.  Anyone else wanna try?

Yours,

June Sakamoto
----------------------

But! If I fold the paper diagonally I'll get a diagonal fold (oh really? :P)
and I don't think the model requires any diagonal fold? So I'll have a
diagonal fold going all over the model and that wouldn't be so nice
(especially if I have to do it this way everytime I wanna cut the 40*40cm
square...

Anine

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From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM
Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:27
Subject: Re: Library security systems

Here's another easy way that works at almost any library.  Bring the book into
     a bathroom and toss it out the window.  When you leave the library, go
     over and collect the book.  (don't worry, I've never done this)

Stuart





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:29
Subject: Re: Library security systems

Should you call an ambulance for the innocent soul walking past the window
at the time?

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM [mailto:BoyohBoy17@AOL.COM]
Sent: 01 November 1999 14:25
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Library security systems

Here's another easy way that works at almost any library.  Bring the book
into a bathroom and toss it out the window.  When you leave the library, go
over and collect the book.  (don't worry, I've never done this)

Stuart





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:34
Subject: Origami Sighting

Yet another "Origami in a Comic" Sighting! -

        My friend just got a used copy of an old National Lampoon comic
strip book (don't recall the exact title), but it included a one-panel
comic displaying a chef, covered in goop and standing in front of a
goop-covered table, proudly holding up a gooey, dripping elephant.  The
caption states: "OREGANO:  the ancient Italian art of pizza folding."

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2808
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From: Marianne Levin <mariannele@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:58
Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL MEE IF I CAN FIND THIS TETRAHEDRON ON THE NET. I AM
BEGINNING TO BE CURIUS ABOUT IT. PERHAPS I MISSED IT SOMETIME. UNFORTUNATLY
I HAVENT TIME TO READ ALL THE INTERESTING MESSAGES.
MARIANNE

>From: Javier Cubero <JCubero@XL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:14:59 -0400
>
>After all the furor, I checked out the website at work.  Unable to wait,
>I used copier paper in white, gray, goldenrod, and blue, and a pizza
>flyer that was printed on green heavyweight paper. :-)  (I was desperate
>to fold!)
>I made each piece 1.5"x4.5", and once a tetrahedron was assembled had no
>trouble at all with it staying together. YMMV.
>Now, I had trouble keeping the joints of my brain from flying apart
>while trying to visualize how each succeeding tetrahedron went into the
>pattern, but that's different. :-)
>
>I'm going to do another tonight out of kami in better colors...
>
>Javier Cubero
>jcubero@xl.com
>

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From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:02
Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again

Here it is.

http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/fit.html

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Levin [mailto:mariannele@HOTMAIL.COM]
Sent: 01 November 1999 15:57
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: those intersecting tetrahedrons again

CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL MEE IF I CAN FIND THIS TETRAHEDRON ON THE NET. I AM
BEGINNING TO BE CURIUS ABOUT IT. PERHAPS I MISSED IT SOMETIME. UNFORTUNATLY
I HAVENT TIME TO READ ALL THE INTERESTING MESSAGES.
MARIANNE





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:17
Subject: Cutting large paper, etc.

Anine wants to know:

>Well, imagine the paper is 40cm in one end of the square and 45cm in the
>opposite end of the square, then how can I fold it diagonally when the two
>sides doesn't have the same measurements?

    When I want really big paper with 90 degree corners, this is the method
I use:

1. Get a metal straightedge, a ruler will work, but a yard (or meter) stick
is better.
2. Start with one straight edge-- usually the edge of the roll of paper.
3. Measure off parallel to the straight edge for your width- make a mark
every 6" or 15 cms or so, eyeballing that you are holding your measure at
right angles to the edge. Make these marks for some distance beyond what the
finished length will be.
4. Lay your straightedge along those marks and go for the best fit-- with a
little practice, the marks will all hit the straightedge. Use a single edge
razor blade or sharp knife to cut along the marks, or just connect the dots
with a pencil and carefully use scissors-- again, practice makes perfect.
(If you use a razor blade, best not to do this on your mother-in-law's
dining room table).
5. You now have an over-long strip with two parallel edges.
6. Fold the paper back on itself-- if your model has a vertical crease in
the middle, fold in half; if not, fold just the excess paper in. If you
carefully line up the good edge with itself, and crease, you will bisect the
180 angle of the edge and Voila! 90 degrees without a protractor.
7. Using that crease, repeat steps 2, 3, and 4 to make the remaining edge(s)
square. Cut carefully and you have your really big square or rectangle.

    I haven't seen them mentioned in the paper cutter discussion, but single
edge razor blades are second only to duct tape in my list of indispensable
tools. When making multiple pieces for a modular, I can cut 10+ sheets at a
time with a metal straightedge and a s.e.r.b. with no measurable paper
creep-- I really am mystified by this 'bludgeon a meat cleaver with a rock'
thread.

    Scott "sharper is better" scram@landmarknet.net





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:17
Subject: Re: Origami Mambo

>On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Katherine J. Meyer wrote:
>
>>A little bit of Hull, instead of sex
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now what is that supposed to mean???
>
>-Eric :-P

    Is this going to come around to the 'sticky-out-bits' discussion again?

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:33
Subject: Re: (Long) Trading Off

Dave Mitchell wrote:
>
> I understand that to many creators origami design is primarily a
> puzzle-solving activity. What I've been trying to highlight is that this
> isn't the only approach - or even necessarily the most productive one. You
> don't need to begin with an idea of what the finished fold should be in
> order to design. You can equally well begin with an interesting
> configuration of folds and see how they can be developed.

Very true; I agree wholeheartedly. I do do random folding regularly (or
doodling) on the trains, waiting in the cafeteria, and even under the
table during those painfully boring meetings in the office [:o)]. Quite
often, I end up re-inventing the wheel, but do stumble upon basic forms
(for want of a better word)which show promises occasionally. These are
set aside for further exploration and/or development at a more
appropriate time. I normally file such forms away as a permanent source
of reference, and begin exploration/development from a fresh sheet of
paper. Most, if not all, creative folders would normally discover
possibilities for other models while working on a pre-determined one. In
this respect, my incidental creations far outnumber the pre-determined
ones.

Neither of these approaches requires more skill than the other.

Not always. I tend to feel that the incidental creations are somewhat
easier in that we normally have a basic form to begin working from, and
firm ideas on how the model can be accomplished. Creating some models
from scratch, especially those with a surplus of icky sticky-out bits
and where there are no known bases or forms which readily fit the
requirements of the subject, entail somewhat more thought and effort.

 However, in my view, the exploratory approach is more likely to
> yield elegant designs than the puzzle-solving approach.

Again, yes and no. I have lately began to wonder whether it is entirely
possible to approach creative origami with an entirely free and open
mind. Speaking for myself, I may begin folding with no specific subject
in mind, but always seem to end up with a model according to my
preferred field, i.e. an animal, bird, goldfish, dinosaur or anything
living or once living. I do not end up folding furniture, abstract forms
or modulars, simply because I believe my 'free and open mind' is
inherently prejudiced by my established preferences to the point where I
simply do not perceive such possibilities even if they were staring me
in the face. Other creative folders who favour simple designs, modulars,
etc may likewise be similarly affected. While we may not begin with a
pre-determined subject, a subject according to ones preferences is
likely to be determined at a point where folding with a free and open
mind stops. I'm not really sure just how one approach can yield models
with a greater degree of elegance than the other.
>
> I see no reason why the two approaches can't be meshed but unfortunately the
> divide between them seems to be widening rather than coming together. This
> growing dichotomy concerns me. Origami seems to be in danger of becoming two
> entirely unrelated crafts/arts which just both happen to involve folding
> paper.

This concern may be quite unfounded. It would be nice to have the
comments of other creative folders on this list.
>
> why I have difficulty, for instance, with crumpling as a creative medium -
> since crumpling a piece of paper produces a surface which is essentially
> stretchy (which the original flat, plain surface wasn't.) It's still
> origami - but much of the design challenge has gone.

I'm not sure if it is origami; never heard of it being referred to as
such until it was mentioned in the course of this thread. Crumpling has
its merits and is an art/craft in its own right, and I should think that
it ought to be regarded as such.

I did paper crumpling during art classes in my school days (which was
about 150 years ago). The idea then was to crumple the paper in such a
way and extent that it can be molded in much the way modelling clay or
plastercene is molded. If this is how it is currently being done, then
it seems to be quite removed from the way paper is supposed to be folded
in origami as we know it.

That is not to say that I will not try my hand at crumpling: I plan to
thoroughly crumple tissue paper (not the kind you sneeze into), laminate
it onto foil, and fold an airedale. The rough and closely undulating
texture should give the dog a nice hairy look!

So I'm off to crumple, then to fold ....

Ronald Koh





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:34
Subject: IRC success

Hi!

Since I started to go on #Origami every time I was on IRC I have now chatted
with 3 or 4 people from the mailinglist and today I had a Swedish guy joining
the channel to ask what origami was. I told him and gave him the URL to the
Origami House Gallery and he told me that he had folded a frog once. I asked
him if he would like to fold something else and he said yeah, so I sent him
the bat that Scott Cramer sent me in a moment of frustration :P and he folded
that one too. He thought that was fun, so I asked if he wanted more diagrams
and he said yes and this time he wanted them to be a little harder, so I gave
him the URL to the diagrams on Joseph Wu's page (the first page I found) and
he said he would go home and try to fold. So let's see what happens next ;)
Best wishes,
               Anine

PS. IRC is very good when you need help folding a model or something like
that.

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From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:56
Subject: Re: Cutting large paper, etc.

>1. Get a metal straightedge, a ruler will work, but a yard (or meter) stick
>is better.

If you're going to be doing this often, invest in the longest metal ruler
with a non-slip backing that you can find. I have two shorter ones with
cork backing and my longest has a "rubber" backing. It will seem very
expensive when you're standing in the art store, but it will be worth
every penny once you get it home.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:58
Subject: Re: Model

>David Lister would like to seen an improvement on the word "model."

I am working on a new series of models. My first one, the 'Claudia Schiffer'
is gradually taking shape. I feel that the term 'model' suits this figure
somewhat better than 'an origami'. At the moment, it is a 'fairly average'
model, however, when the overall shape of the curves improves, I suppose I
could call it a 'fairly-impressive model' or even a 'super-model'.
Following that, I am looking forward to getting my fingers around 'Elle
Macpherson'.

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From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:02
Subject: Re: [Cutting large paper, etc.]

>    When I want really big paper with 90 degree corners, this is the >method
>I use:
*snip*

That all sounds great! But I just have one little comment! When I try to fold
the paper I often (when it's paper I have tried to cut myself) end up having
one side of the fold wider than the other. For example, the fold has to be 12
cm. I measure 12 cm at one side and start folding it and then the other side
often turns out to be for example 11.6 when I measure it. This also happens
when I have marked both sides on the paper. I guess it has something to do
with the paper being so large.
Any tips?

Anine

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:07
Subject: Re: [Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!]

Anine!!!  You're not visually it.  Come on, just imagine what do you do to
a rectangle to get a square?  You fold an angle bisector from one corner,
where it intersects the other side you drop a perpendicular line segment
and voila you have a square.  The same thing happens here.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:07
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Measuring big pieces of paper!]]

But Anine there's that one little thing that you're forgetting about which
means you only have to do it once.  The first one is a template you can
produce the others without a diagonal.

David

>
>But! If I fold the paper diagonally I'll get a diagonal fold (oh really? :P)
>and I don't think the model requires any diagonal fold? So I'll have a
>diagonal fold going all over the model and that wouldn't be so nice
>(especially if I have to do it this way everytime I wanna cut the 40*40cm
>square...
>
>Anine
>
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:07
Subject: Re: Library security systems

>Should you call an ambulance for the innocent soul walking past the window
>at the time?
>
>--------------------------
>        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)
>

No just pick up the innocent soul and now you're walking off with two things!

David





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:12
Subject: Pedants' corner {Re: Bahamut}

>In D&D terms (Dungeons and Dragons)bahamut is the "god" of all good
>dragons.
>Where they got this from, I can't begin to figure out. He is opposed by
>Tiamat, the three headed "goddess" of evil dragons.
>
>Gillian

I'll don my anorak and relive my teenage years...Tiamat was a _five_ headed
dragon and was (advanced) Dungeons and Dragons version of Cerberus, in that
she stood at the first layer of hell. Bahamut comes up in lots of other
'fantasy' inspired themes, such as Final Fantasy VII, a superb playstation
game, where several of the monsters that can be summoned for aid are called
Bahamut.

In origami terms, I suppose Bahamut could be any folded dragon, the more
impressive the better. If anyone can fold a giant fish-bull thing, I'd be
dead impressed ;-)
There is a three headed dragon in Montroll's Zodiac and Mythical Origami
book. As for other dragons, when I get my hands on a digital camera again,
Ive got quite a few photos to take...

Stephen

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:21
Subject: How weird is that?  Double

Has this ever happened before?  Having a message sent twice?  I only sent
that email once.  Weird.

David





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:30
Subject: Re: [Re: Cutting large paper, etc.]

*snip*
If you're going to be doing this often, invest in the longest metal ruler
with a non-slip backing that you can find. I have two shorter ones with
cork backing and my longest has a "rubber" backing. It will seem very
expensive when you're standing in the art store, but it will be worth
every penny once you get it home.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
---------------------------

I would get one if this "this town has no need of selling origami books,
origami paper or metal rulers" bloody town had one! There are 2 bookstores
where none of them has metal rulers and no hobbystores... where else can I be
lucky to find a metal ruler?
I can't believe how this city can be low on hobbystuff.

Anine

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Friederike=20Noether?= <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:52
Subject: Re: Disappearing Library Origami Books

Magnetic strips on books are no insurance against disappearing.
The library for my faculty at university had to chain some books to the
     shelves. That was no
solution either. Then they started ripping or cutting the pages out. After that
     you can see some
books only in reading room with someone watching. Even that didn4t helped. At
     the end one of the
librarians made poster and wrote on it: "University will no longer spend money
     on replacing stolen
or damaged books. If we do that, there will be no money left for buying new
     books." Well even that
didn4t help. they are thinking now to convert the lending dirct from the shelf
     into lending out of
catalogue. You have to choose your books out of a catalogue and the librarians
     get them for from
the archives. I hate that. I like to look into a book to decide whether I want
     it or not.

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From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:51
Subject: Re: [Re: Cutting large paper, etc.]

>I would get one if this "this town has no need of selling origami books,
>origami paper or metal rulers" bloody town had one!

Oops. Didn't think of that. If you're in the US, I know you can get an
18 in. cork-backed ruler at Staples. Order on-line?

Maybe there's a good art supply store on line.
Do any of the paper suppliers also stock good rulers?
