




From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 05:48
Subject: Re: [Re: Can you help me?]

Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> wrote:
>Another "oooh" and "ahhhhhhhhhhhh" model is the hyperbolic paraboloid.

>Its dead easy to fold. If you want it to stand, make it from a hexgon,
>that'll
>give you three feet down and three up, and three is enough to stand on. >Its
>usually made from a square (the origami version I've seen creditted to
>different folks, I don't know who the first/correct credit is, but I >heard
>about via Tom Hull).
>
>-D'gou

Is there an URL to the diagram? Or maybe a picture? Cause I have know idea
what the word hyperbolic paraboloid means!

Anine

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From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 06:08
Subject: Looking for Swedish folders!

Hi!

I'm looking for some folders from Sweden!
I live in Halmstad (just moved here in august from Denmark) and would like to
meet up with some (or one ;) folder/s to fold with and develop my skills. I
have already written Andr (head of the Swedish association) to become a
member but haven't got any reply!
I am willing to travel a bit to meet you!
Hope to hear from some!

Anine

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 06:27
Subject: Re: [Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.]

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>>But when you start making crane flowers (see
>>http://www.papierfalten.de/en/conventions/hildesheim1999.html) or
>
>The link didn't work! What is the correct URL?

Works perfectly for me. But then I made the pictures, so maybe my computer has
already paved a road to that URL.

Matthias





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 07:28
Subject: Crumpling

Paul Jackson wrote:

> Hermann van Goubergen (the noted Belgian
>creator) dropped by for a few days.  ..... Jokingly, I challenged him to
make a stegasaurus -- the most
>complex thing that came immediately to mind.

>Literally just an hour later, he presented me with an astonishing 3-D
>model of the beast

I had a long chat with Hermann about his creativity at a fairly recent BOS
convention. For my money he's absolutely the best there is, but he spent
some time trying to convince me that he shouldn't be rated as an origami
designer at all - since his production is limited to only about one model a
year.

I found this incredible - and still do - but it's typical of Hermann's
humility.

Dave Mitchell





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 07:32
Subject: Re: Crumpling

Of the pictures of origami that I have shown around at work the one people
are most impressed by is Hermann's Gecko & Fly, they can't believe its just
a single piece of paper.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mitchell [mailto:davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK]
Sent: 27 October 1999 12:19
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Crumpling

Paul Jackson wrote:

> Hermann van Goubergen (the noted Belgian
>creator) dropped by for a few days.  ..... Jokingly, I challenged him to
make a stegasaurus -- the most
>complex thing that came immediately to mind.

>Literally just an hour later, he presented me with an astonishing 3-D
>model of the beast

I had a long chat with Hermann about his creativity at a fairly recent BOS
convention. For my money he's absolutely the best there is, but he spent
some time trying to convince me that he shouldn't be rated as an origami
designer at all - since his production is limited to only about one model a
year.

I found this incredible - and still do - but it's typical of Hermann's
humility.

Dave Mitchell





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 07:59
Subject: Re: Crumpling

A rather crummy picture of that gecko, folded by Herman van Goubergen
himself I believe, can be found in my report of the OD convention 1997
in Wuerzburg:
http://www.papierfalten.de/en/conventions/wuerzburg1997_mgutfeldt/saturday.html

Does anybody have a better image?

Matthias

Allan findlay wrote:
>
> Of the pictures of origami that I have shown around at work the one people
> are most impressed by is Hermann's Gecko & Fly, they can't believe its just
> a single piece of paper.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 07:59
Subject: Re: The much meligned crane (was: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

Elaina Quackenbush wrote:
> but isn't the joy of folding supposed to encompass the simplicity?
I think the joy of folding encompasses everything, be it simple,
complex, small, or big.  And I don't think anybody said anything to the
contrary. The question was not whether it's a joy to fold the crane (or
any other simple design, for that matter) but whether it should be
considered art.

I think it shouldn't by default be considered art every time I fold a
crane or a windmill or a lily; otherwise we would devalue the meaning of
'art'!

> And isn't the crane an international sign of peace?
Yes, although the history of how it became a sign of peace is a
different story again. But again, that has nothing to do with its
qualities, or lack thereof. The cross isn't such an amazing thing
either, and yet it's been the symbol for christianity for several
centuries now.

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 07:59
Subject: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> But when you start making crane flowers (see
> http://www.papierfalten.de/en/conventions/hildesheim1999.html) or
> sembazuru, or stuff like Robert Lang's second generation crane, it's
> quickly on the verge of becoming art again ...

Yes, of course. But what does "it's on the verge of becoming art again"
really mean? Maybe we should be a bit more careful with that label
'art'. We use it to give Origami the value and recognition that we think
it deserves, and rightly so.

But if we call every piece of folded paper 'art', we are ridiculing
ourselves, and our art. Some origami is art, some origami is craft, some
origami is fun (mind you, these three are not mutually exclusive).
What's so wrong about that?

I really would like to see the label 'art' restricted to Origami that
actually deserves it. The obvious question is, what kind of origami does
deserve to be called art? Well, it's been discussed in the past, and
although I'm on the verge of doing so, I don't think we need to re-hash
that thread again. I just don't want to see the label 'art' plastered on
every single origami we fold while waiting for the bus.

Matthias





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 08:11
Subject: I want a paper cutter!

Hi again!

Sorry to post so many mails here today :)
I just got a book from Taiwan on how to make boxes from not rectangular paper
(very looong on one side and not so long on the sides), therefore I'd mostly
have to do it out of wrapping paper (unfortunately some of it is very thin and
therefore makes the boxes very unstabile). Then I was thinking that it would
be so easy to cut unregular pieces of paper from those rolls and to cut
rectangular pieces of paper (for "normal" origami) if I had a paper cutter!
(Also called a guillotine in some places). Instead of having to sit with a
looong ruler and measure 90 degrees at every corner and still have to redo it
a couple of times or more. So anyone knows of any cheap brands that you can
order online? Or maybe you know of any used ones for sale? I know the shipping
is gonna be a lot, so it should probably be somewhere close to Sweden...
Hope to get some replies!

Anine

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From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 08:26
Subject: Re: [Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.]

>
> >===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
> >>But when you start making crane flowers (see

http://www.papierfalten.de/en/conventions/hildesheim1999.html  ) or
                                                             ^^^
try this, you may have had the right parenthesis within the URL itself.

> >
> >The link didn't work! What is the correct URL?
>
> Works perfectly for me. But then I made the pictures, so maybe my computer has
> already paved a road to that URL.
>
> Matthias





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 09:54
Subject: IRC chat reminder

Reminder: trial of IRC chat today

Network: DALnet
Channel: #origami
Will be created at: 0.00 GMT (1.00 UK time; 2.00 Middle Europe); Wed. 8.00 PM,
EDT; Wed. 7.00 PM, CDT; Wed. 6.00 PM, MDT; Wed. 5.00 PM, PDT.
By: Robbix

TTYL !!

Roberto / Robbix





From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 09:57
Subject: Re: Batman Paper.

Hi Sebastian.

> a) indian ink (should be reasonably waterproof)

Ok, wonder if it would bleed through Canson type of paper. Well, I guess
trying it might be a way to find out :-).

> b) cloth dye (not as waterproof)

Worth thinking about.

> c) my favourite solution: Folding two pieces of paper as one.

Really, without backcoating - interesting.

> See http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/FKawahata-Yoda.html for an
> example of two pieces of paper being folded as one. You don't need to
> attach the two sheets in any way; simply lay one on top of the other and
> start to fold.

Well ok, you convinced me :-). Cool idea!

Thanks for taking the time to pass this info on to me,
Jeff.





From: Joe Wezorek <joew@DYNAVOXSYS.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 10:32
Subject: Making foil-backed paper

I've been thinking of trying to make
my own foil-backed paper for the fist
time. All the info I can
find on the internet seems to indicate
people just use regular old aluminum foil
from the grocery store. Is this correct?
It seems to me this kind of foil would be
too thick for complex models like Lang
insects etc. Also is there any brand of
glue that is better than other brands?
Any help would be appreciated.

Joe





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 11:28
Subject: Stiffer paper for boxes (was Re: I want a paper cutter!)

On 27 Oct 99, at 8:11, Anine Cleve wrote:

> I just got a book from Taiwan on how to make boxes from not rectangular paper
> (very looong on one side and not so long on the sides), therefore I'd mostly
> have to do it out of wrapping paper (unfortunately some of it is very thin and
> therefore makes the boxes very unstabile).

Another alternative to messing with wrapping paper is to use *wallpaper*.
At SEOF a few years back Mark K was slicing off wallpaper squares for a
group of us (using a fearsome looking just-plain (but sharp!) knife) and
we worked through making a Fuse box and it is *wonderfully* stiff... it
is a *real* box.

  /Bernie\
--
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mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 11:56
Subject: Re: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:56:29 -0400
Subject: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

> I just don't want to see the label 'art' plastered on
>every single origami we fold while waiting for the bus.
>
>
>Matthias
>

   It's invariably the onlookers you have at the bus stop, on the bus, in
the coffee shop, wherever, that label it art, usually while they're oogling
and aahing over it. (Just before they ask if they can keep it...)
   I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my obsession of folding EVERYwhere!
Of course, when you're in a public restroom stall, and there's a lineup
waiting, they're not so appreciative of your creative endeavors... ;)

   Hey! You got me out of the shadows with that!

                                                           Michael





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 12:38
Subject: Hermann van Goubergen (was Re: Crumpling)

At 12:18 99/10/27 +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote:
>I had a long chat with Hermann about his creativity at a fairly recent BOS
>convention. For my money he's absolutely the best there is, but he spent
>some time trying to convince me that he shouldn't be rated as an origami
>designer at all - since his production is limited to only about one model a
>year.

Limited to one a year because he wants to come up with something unique and
ground-breaking each time. I think that many people have had similar
conversations with him (myself included).

I find it amusing, however, that you would sing the praises of Hermann and
yet deride Kawahata (and "technical folding" in general). Many of Hermann's
works are representational and have "sticky out bits". Visible crease lines
are used extensively for detailing. And his desire to come up with something
special each time implies that the subject is chosen before the folding
commences. Aren't all of these things that you were complaining about with
regards to Kawahata and "technical folding"?

>I found this incredible - and still do - but it's typical of Hermann's
>humility.

That is very true. He's a wonderfully talented yet understated man.

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 12:40
Subject: Friend!

It didn't sound like bragging to me.  It sounded like Tommy was
enthusiastic about origami.  Let's all give him a warm greeting.  Welcome
Tommy I'm pleased to meet you, and I hope you enjoy this origami list.  You
should find that there are many interesting subjects floating around on the
threads and people are mostly kind and good humored towards each other.
What models have you been working on recently?  I wish you happy folding :)

David





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 12:42
Subject: Re: Making foil-backed paper

At 10:35 99/10/27 -0400, you wrote:
>I've been thinking of trying to make
>my own foil-backed paper for the fist
>time. All the info I can
>find on the internet seems to indicate
>people just use regular old aluminum foil
>from the grocery store. Is this correct?
>It seems to me this kind of foil would be
>too thick for complex models like Lang
>insects etc. Also is there any brand of
>glue that is better than other brands?
>Any help would be appreciated.

Regular aluminum foil works. Don't buy the heavy-duty brand-name stuff. Buy
the cheap no-name brand stuff that is very thin.

As for glue, use spray adhesive so that you can get a nice even coat. 3M
makes some good spray adhesive, but so do many other companies.

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 12:49
Subject: Re: Making foil-backed paper

Hey Joe I use artists adhesive.  It's a spray on glue that you can make a
light coat of.  If you use something like Elmer's the results would be
disasterous :-)

David





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 12:57
Subject: Re: Friend!

david whitbeck wrote:

> It didn't sound like bragging to me.  It sounded like Tommy was
> enthusiastic about origami.  Let's all give him a warm greeting.

Agreed!

Welcome Tommy!

(To Tommy (and everyone else ;-) )):
You'll find the number of messages on this list varies a good deal, and the
topics range _widely_. Surely some will be interesting and many will be
boring. Feel free to jump into any conversation or start your own.

-D'gou





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 13:13
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

Anine Cleve wrote:
>I was thinking that it would be so easy to cut unregular pieces of
paper from >those rolls and to cut rectangular pieces of paper (for
"normal" origami) if I had a >paper cutter!  (Also called a guillotine
in some places)

I think paper cutters are hugely overrated as efficient tools, and
also expensive and big to store.  I cut paper most days and have never
used them for choice, only reluctantly using them when working 'away'.
Instead, I use an un-serrated Sabattier kitchen knife with a 15cm
(6in) blade.  Simply fold the paper back along a sharp crease where
the cut needs to be made and slice through it with smooth strokes,
holding the paper steady at the crease and keeping the blade
absolutely horizontal with the handle off the front of the table (so
that the blade can remain horizontal).  To be fair, there's a knack to
cutting well, but it's hardly rocket science and the technique is
easily learnt.  The blade works best when slightly dull.

The advantages over a paper cutter are:

-- size and cost
-- portability
-- speed
-- accuracy is guaranteed (for a 90 degree corner, just fold the edge
back
        on itself)
-- it can cut edges much longer than a paper cutter can

For weights up to about 150gsm, the cut edge is *very* clean.  For
heavier weights, I use a scalpel and steel rule if the edge will be
visible on the final object.

Tip:  Unless you *want* to be arrested, don't try to carry a Sabattier
knife onto a plane as hand baggage!  I once did and seriously
regretted being so stoopid.  Trying to explain to the airport police
that you use it to cut paper sounds like a very unconvincing excuse!!

Paul Jackson





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 14:01
Subject: Re: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

Michael Antonette wrote:
>    I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my obsession of folding EVERYwhere!
> Of course, when you're in a public restroom stall, and there's a lineup
> waiting, they're not so appreciative of your creative endeavors... ;)

Maybe you should consider joining Paperfolders Anonymous...

Matthias





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 14:01
Subject: Re Batman paper

It's easy to make paper that's white on one side and black on the other (for
penguins and pandas) by running a piece of paper through a photocopying
machine without putting in anything to copy. If you used pink paper instead
of white you could get what you want, but I don't know whether the quality is
what you  need for wetfolding and creasability. Best from Florence.





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 14:05
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

At 18:11 99/10/27 +0100, Paul Jackson wrote:
>For weights up to about 150gsm, the cut edge is *very* clean.  For
>heavier weights, I use a scalpel and steel rule if the edge will be
>visible on the final object.

I agree with your assessment of paper cutters. Rotary cutters tend to be
better than the guillotine types, though.

I use the scalpel (well, Xacto knife, actually) & steel ruler method. I
would add that a good cutting mat with an accurate grid makes it easy to cut
without needing to measure 90-degree angles. A T-square might also help.

>Tip:  Unless you *want* to be arrested, don't try to carry a Sabattier
>knife onto a plane as hand baggage!  I once did and seriously
>regretted being so stoopid.  Trying to explain to the airport police
>that you use it to cut paper sounds like a very unconvincing excuse!!

I remember that...second time in Charlotte, wasn't it? That left me to be
the first person to meet the Yoshizawas as they de-planed. I'm sure they
wondered who I was!

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From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 15:04
Subject: Re: The much maligned crane

Crane fanciers unite!

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 15:48
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

Anine, I don't know if they're close to you or not, but Fiskars makes a
nice, not too expensive (US $40 approx) guillotine style paper cutter. It is
limited to sheets about 18" long by the arm's drop (it is closed at both
ends), but I've been really happy with how true a square it cuts. As you
say, there's nothing worse than having to refold and recut and recut and
refold!

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From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 16:33
Subject: Re: Re Batman paper

Florence Temko wrote:
>
> It's easy to make paper that's white on one side and black on the other (for
> penguins and pandas) by running a piece of paper through a photocopying
> machine without putting in anything to copy.

If you don't pay the toner !
Otherwise you be able to make few "colored" papers before needed to
change it (and its not very cheap).
And what about your hands and fingers? They will be BLACK very soon.
:))

> If you used pink paper instead
> of white you could get what you want, but I don't know whether the quality is
> what you  need for wetfolding and creasability.

And water will seem like petroleum. :-D

Be Happy,
Lorenzo

 ----------------------------------------
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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 16:46
Subject: Sorry

Sorry about the harsh e-mail to our new folding freind Tommy.  I was just in
a bad mood and had to take out my anger on someone.  I'm a 15 year old
paperfolder to and I am still curious if you (Tommy) do create your own
models yet.

Sorry
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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 16:57
Subject: Re: [Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.]

On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 05:06:11AM -0400, Anine Cleve wrote:
> >http://www.papierfalten.de/en/conventions/hildesheim1999.html) or
> The link didn't work!

It does.

> What is the correct URL?

The one above.

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 16:57
Subject: Re: Making foil-backed paper

On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 10:35:05AM -0400, Joe Wezorek wrote:
> I've been thinking of trying to make
> my own foil-backed paper for the fist
> time.

See http://www.papierfalten.de/en/articles/foil-backing.html, if you
haven't already.

> All the info I can find on the internet seems to indicate people just
> use regular old aluminum foil from the grocery store. Is this correct?

Yes.

> It seems to me this kind of foil would be too thick for complex models
> like Lang insects etc.

It isn't; tissue foil is extremely thin anyway, and even more if it's
only one-sided. Oh, there is aluminium foil that is thinner than the
normal kind, but it's rather hard to get.

> Also is there any brand of glue that is better than other brands?

3M Spray Mount. The best one I've found, and extremely efficient. A very
thin layer of glue suffices to attach the two pieces of paper.

--
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From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 17:51
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

I wrote:
> >Tip:  Unless you *want* to be arrested, don't try to carry a
Sabattier
> >knife onto a plane as hand baggage!  I once did and seriously
> >regretted being so stoopid.  Trying to explain to the airport
police
> >that you use it to cut paper sounds like a very unconvincing
excuse!!

 Joseph Wu replied:
> I remember that...second time in Charlotte, wasn't it? That left me
to be
> the first person to meet the Yoshizawas as they de-planed. I'm sure
they
> wondered who I was!

Actually, I'd forgotten that incident (blushes)!  Some helpful but
baffled
person on a Help Desk outside the security cordon eventually agreed
to look after the knife for me, which wasn't too much of a problem,
compared to...

...an incident maybe 13-14 years ago flying from
London to Paris just for the day to make a paper exhibition piece at a
trade fair in Paris, carrying only hand baggage.  My knife set off the
security alarms and when it was found I was arrested!!  Luckily I was
also carrying some of my books and photos of my work.  After trying to
use the knife as deftly as possible for my captors and making a few
origami models for them, they believed my story, gave me a severe
ticking off (which I deserved) and I tottered off shakily to catch the
plane...minus my knife, which was returned to me in Paris ...but
that's another story, because I was arrested AGAIN!!

See how much I love my knives?  They're much more fun than paper
cutters!!

Paul Jackson





From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@PRESSROOM.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 18:38
Subject: Capital Folders Origami Meetings - Washington, DC

Capital Folders Origami
Washington, DC

Third Tuesday Meetings

1999
Dec 21

2000
Jan 18
Feb 15
Mar 21
Apr 18
May 16
Jun 20

Location: Children's Library, Second Floor, Tenley Library, Albemarle St &
Wisconsin Av, NW, Washington, DC

Metro: Red Line Tenley/American University stop is across the street from
the library

Parking:  street parking available

Note:  Meeting scheduled for Nov 16, 1999 has been cancelled.  The library
will be closed for asbestos removal.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA





From: "Tommy Allen jr." <t__allen@GO.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 19:14
Subject: Thanks

Thanks for everybody sticking up for me against that kid collin.  I guess the
     way he write no one might not like him a whole lot.

                      tommy

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 19:20
Subject: Re: Batman Paper.

>> From: david whitbeck
>> Hey Jeff!  Buy Lizard skin paper.  It's wetfolding good paper that's jet
>> black on one side.
>
>Cool, what cool is the other side (flesh tone me hopes ;-).
>
>Thanks, Jeff

Yes!  Sorry it took me so long to reply, and if I already have then woops!

David





From: Chris Hundley <chris@PREMIEREPAGES.COM>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 19:41
Subject: Beginner looking for advice

Several years ago (about 12 actually) someone taught me some origami. I
learned how to fold a simple box and also a bird that flaps it's wings
when you pull the tail. I've always done it out of boredom or folded
something for kids to "ooh and ahh" at. About a week ago I decided I
wanted to learn many more animals and other objects and decided to check
the web. Well, as you all already know, there are tons of sample models
and such available. I've tried for a few days to do some of the simple
and intermediate models by following the directions. The problem I'm
having is that I seem to get half way through and I just don't see what
the author is talking about in the diagram. I have yet to complete a
successful model by following instructions. Where would be a good place
to start for a beginner? I'd prefer not to spend any money on books and
try to learn what I can through the Internet. Is this even possible, or
does everyone recommend getting a book? If so, which books are best?
This is my first posting to the list, I apologize in advance if my
questions seem elementary =) Thanks for any help you guys can give me!

Chris





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 20:04
Subject: Re: Beginner looking for advice

Hi Chris!  You might try this site http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/index.html

Koshiro's site is awesome.  The instructions are amazingly cool.

David





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 21:54
Subject: origami alphabet ?

I once remember seeing diagrams for letters of the alphabet (some
anyway) siting on the web now that i've found a use for them the link
seems to have gone.
Does any one have simlar diagrams or an updated link ?

Thanks in advance
Darren





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 27 Oct 1999 22:06
Subject: favorite halloween models

Now I don't want to hear any groaning when I ask this question.  What are
your favorite halloween models?

David





From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: 27 Oct 1999 23:51
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

Try going to a fabric shop, quilt shop or craft store and look at a rotary
cutter which is used with a special cutting mat.  You will also need a
special ruler that goes with it.  It is a round cutter with a razor sharp
edge that is used for cutting fabric pieces.  My daughter and I use a small
one about an inch wide for cutting paper.  Works well but you must be very
careful and get used to closing the blade after each stroke.  Good luck.
Barbara O





From: Atsina <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 00:52
Subject: Re: favorite halloween models

Check out Anita Barbour's page... pretty cool.

Kim

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> Now I don't want to hear any groaning when I ask this question.  What are
> your favorite halloween models?
>
> David





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 01:16
Subject: creating

I'm looking for any advice on creating new models.  What kinds of things do
you create and how do you start out.  Do you work from a certain base or
just try to establish the correct number of points with out working for a
particular shape.  What kinds of things would you like to see created.  What
kinds of books would you like to see published any particular type of models
that you would like to see more of in books and online.  Just trying to
start up some conversations and get some advice.

Thanks
Collin Weber

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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 01:22
Subject: displaying my work

I'm still looking for a website to display my diagrams on if any one is
interested.  They are almost all of animals and I would really like to have
other people see what I can do and give me advice on how to do it better.

Thanks
Collin

PS Who do you think is teh most influential folder ever .  Who is so
important that origami just wouldn't be the same if this person had not been
there.  What do you think?  Just trying to get some more conversations
started.

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From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 01:28
Subject: Talk to me

Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders since
none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.

Thanks
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From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: 28 Oct 1999 01:36
Subject: Re: origami alphabet ?

Try The Complete Origami Course by Paul Jackson on p. 100. Also, Folding
Money Volume 2 published by Magic, Inc. on p. 17.  Good luck.  Barbara O





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 02:20
Subject: Re: Thanks

At 16:12 99/10/27 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for everybody sticking up for me against that kid collin.  I guess
>the way he write no one might not like him a whole lot.

Hey, he's apologised. Your turn to be nice now.
----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 03:04
Subject: Re: Beginner looking for advice

Chris Hundley wrote:
> and such available. I've tried for a few days to do some of the simple
> and intermediate models by following the directions. The problem I'm
> having is that I seem to get half way through and I just don't see what
> the author is talking about in the diagram. I have yet to complete a

Ooh, how I can relate! As a beginner, diagrams looked like a mess to me.
It was hard to find out which line was meant to be what.

I think the easiest way to learn origami, and learn reading the diagrams
as well, is to find someone with some origami experience, and let
him/her guide you through the diagrams. You don't write where you live,
but there might be someone on this list who lives in the vicinity.

Matthias





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 04:24
Subject: Knives (was RE: I want a paper cutter!)

What you need is a penknife!

I use mine to cut paper if I need to, a 4 inch or less blade is perfectly
legal to carry and if you keep it reasonably sharp it can produce a very
clean cut either by folding & cutting or cutting along a ruler.

You can also get ones with small scissors which may (or may not) be useful
too.

(And mine has a small tweezers which I have used a couple of times for tiny
folds).

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 04:26
Subject: Re: How to Crumple!

When I was learning to make Japanese paper dolls in Japan MANY years ago, I
was taught how to crumple black paper to make 'hair'.  This type of paper,
which resembles crepe paper, can be bought crumpled, but is much cheaper and
interesting to make oneself.  I bought (as part of the 'kit', a tool that
looks rather like two cotton reels, with a thin stick (slightly thinner than
a pencil) that could slop into the centre of each reel.  You then loosely
wound a strip of black paper (what I'd call sugar paper, rather soft and
fibrous), squeezed the paper between the two reels.  Carefully unwind and
stretch the paper, and repeat 4 - 6 times more, until the desired effect is
reached.  This leads to a one directional crease/crumple pattern that
resembles hair!

I have also seen it used on colours other than black for "Europeanised"
paper doll making.

Clare, the folder from the real wild west.........





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 04:30
Subject: Re: Hermann van Goubergen (was Re: Crumpling)

Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA> sez

>Limited to one a year because he wants to come up with something unique and
>ground-breaking each time.

I think this is slightly misleading - my understanding was that he comes
up with quite a few models, but rejects many as inadequate and only
displays those he considers worthy.

This self-critical analysis of one's work is a lesson to some who
diagram & "release" any old fold. I know, in the past I did that very
thing ;(

That my published output has since dropped to just above zero may well
be related to this!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 05:06
Subject: Re: How to Crumple!

This thread has brought back a very pleasant memory of my one and only
crumpling experience.  During the shooting of Folding California, I had
to come up with an origami version of the La Brea Tar Pits.  Last minute
inspiration and/or desperation led me to crumple a sheet of black
not-a-hide paper. The paper yielded perfectly to my gentle manipulation
and I was able to crumple it into deep, menacing ridges which looked
great on camera!

Dorothy





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 28 Oct 1999 06:36
Subject: Re: How to Crumple!

Clare Chamberlain's note about "crumpling" black paper to make hair for
Japanese paper dolls reminds me of another trick, which doesn't seem to be
very well known, but which is quite old

You take a banknote - for this purose it doesn't matter what country or
denomination and then, using your finger nails, make tiny crepe-paper kinds
of creases in both directions, parallel to both edges.. With a bit of
practice, this has the dramatic effect of significantly reducing the apparent
area of the banknote, much to the consternation of the person you have
borrowed it from.

Fortunately the creases can be rubbed out again and the banknote resumes its
normal size without any diminution of its value!

The "trick" ("paperfold" seems to be the wrong word") is contained in an old
leaflet called  "Bill Folds" by Al O'Hagen and originally published in 1945
by Snyder's Magic Shop in Cleveland. Sam Randlett mentions it on page 189 of
"The Art of Origami.". It is possible that it may still be possible to obtain
a copy from Magic Inc. of Chicago. The pamphlet was one of the firat
publications about money folding and contains about six or eight bill folds.
I have a copy bufoldsried away somewhere.

All money has, of course, shrunk since then, if not in size, then in value.

David Lister.

Fortuntely, when the creases a





From: Elsje vd Ploeg <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 06:48
Subject: Re: Friend

Hallo Tommy,
------------------------
I like folds that are easy and self explanatory.
------------------------
Welcome and nice to hear from you
I also like simple easy folds.
What are your favorites?

xxxxxxxxelsje
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 08:46
Subject: Origami v Paper Folding

David Lister wrote:

>I don't know. Perhaps "model" is not the best term. But it has been used
ever
>since the early days of the BOS and it is perhaps pedantic to hold that an
>abstract form should be called something else.

I accept that my objection about Canute also applies to trying to bring any
other word than 'model' into common use.

The word 'model' is, of course, appropriate in certain circumstances, when
the paperfold is indeed a finished representation of something else, like an
elephant, a cube etc. But it isn't really appropriate for something like an
origami bowl, which may well be a completely original form.

Pedantry? Possibly - but to me the use of the word model seems to reflect an
approach to origami design which I don't share. Therefore I find it
important.

> What word would David Mitchell use to cover the whole gamut of origami
constructions?

The only word that seems appropriate is the obvious one - 'paperfold'.

I would also think 'sculpture' is appropriate for original forms intended to
be aesthetically appealing.

Other suggestions welcome. That's why I raised the issue.

>It should be remembered that in 1967, ideas about "Origami" were far more
restricted than
>today.

I realise that the BOS definitions were drafted in the light of their time -
but these contradictions have puzzled me ever since I first worked my way
through the BOS Constitution. Oh dear, is that a sign of a deranged mind?

>In 1967 any suggestion that no-fold origami could possibly exist would have
>been met with blank stares! I'm not sure it doesn't today.

Does it also make you ask why? If so it may be art!

Dave Mitchell





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 08:46
Subject: Hermann van Goubergen (was Re: Crumpling)

Joseph Wu wrote:

>I find it amusing, however, that you would sing the praises of Hermann and
>yet deride Kawahata (and "technical folding" in general).

First - I didn't deride Kawahata. What I tried to do was point out that
technical virtuosity isn't everything and that there is often a trade-off
between complexity and elegance. Kawahata's models are often inelegant - and
that is simply because he is attempting to push the technical boundaries.
It's a trade-off - you simply can't have everything!

Unless, of course, you are Hermann van Goubergen.

> Many of Hermann's works are representational and have "sticky out bits".

Actually it was Paul Jackson who objected to sticky out bits. I think
they're wonderful. Even in origami.

And I don't mind representational. But let's not sacrifice elegance for
realism. (Sorry Paul!)

>And his desire to come up with something
>special each time implies that the subject is chosen before the folding
>commences.

This is just bad logic. It may well be that Hermann predetermines his
subjects, or it may be that they evolve out of his interest in a particular
folding technique. I suspect the latter - but only Hermann can say for sure.
Quite possibly it varies from fold to fold.

What distinguishes Hermann's work is not only his touch - which is
marvellous - but that the folding techniques he uses are so appropriate to
the subject. Contrast the shell, with the cat, with the gecko, for instance.

Dave Mitchell





From: Anine Cleve <anine20@USA.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:05
Subject: Re: [Talk to me]

Can't you go on mIRC? I'm here once again like I am everyday and I can't go to
Yahoo (some java crap with this computer).
So if anyone wanna chat, I'm on mIRC! #Origami & #Roxette

collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders since
none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.

Thanks
Collin

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From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:09
Subject: NO: Knives [Re: I want a paper cutter!]

Paul Jackson shared an embarrassing tale and ended with:
>See how much I love my knives?  They're much more fun than paper
>cutters!!

I haven't actually had my knife taken away at the airport, but I came
Oh So Close. Funny to be standing in front of a security guard trying
to look innocent as she tries to decide whether to call the blade a little
shorter than legal or a little longer than legal. I honestly hadn't known
until then that I had been carrying a concealed weapon in my bag at
all times for months.

Which brings me to my question. Years ago I bought a great knife. It
basically looked like a kitchen knife with a 3-inch blade. The great
thing about it was that it was built into a heavy plastic sheath (mine
was blue). I lost it a while back and have been unable to find another.
The kitchen store where I bought it doesn't remember having them;
the good kitchen knife store near where I now live hasn't heard of them
(but was very interested in stocking them if I could find a source). If I
recall correctly, it was a Messerschmidt---it was definitely German.

There are a couple of similar options available---one in a nasty thin
red sheath, another in a wooden sheath. Neither of these have the same
quality blade or as well-fitted a sheath.

Anyone here (you Europeans maybe?) seen such a thing recently? I
still need to replace my concealed weapon so that I can cut paper in
public again.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:33
Subject: Re: creating

well I think there is defintly a lack of good modular origami online or in
books. I mean I am so fed up of seeing those modular orgami being glued and
cut there, most of those are not even origami like right? So far oonline I
still don't see a real real good modular origami site. I don't like Plank's
work. I mean most of those diagrams he has for his shape are real hard to
put together, almost impossible to put together without glue and his
diagrams are drawn ever so bad, way too mathematic and does not make any
good origami sense. Helena's site is pretty good I must admit and so is
Valerie.
Xandra

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From: "collin weber" <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:27 PM
Subject: creating

I'm looking for any advice on creating new models.  What kinds of things do
you create and how do you start out.  Do you work from a certain base or
just try to establish the correct number of points with out working for a
particular shape.  What kinds of things would you like to see created.  What
kinds of books would you like to see published any particular type of models
that you would like to see more of in books and online.  Just trying to
start up some conversations and get some advice.

Thanks
Collin Weber

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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:40
Subject: Re: displaying my work

I don't feel that there is such thing has a best folder. I feel all that can
fold already have their own talent and their own gift. I think you should
display it on geocities, since is a a site which most people visit and use
and is more likely people would search their. Geocities I feel is a very
international site that almost all people use, well that is my opinion
anyway. Is your choice at the end, but the bad thing about geocities is the
lack of space it gives you if you are not paying them.
Xandra (new on list)

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From: "collin weber" <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:34 PM
Subject: displaying my work

I'm still looking for a website to display my diagrams on if any one is
interested.  They are almost all of animals and I would really like to have
other people see what I can do and give me advice on how to do it better.

Thanks
Collin

PS Who do you think is teh most influential folder ever .  Who is so
important that origami just wouldn't be the same if this person had not been
there.  What do you think?  Just trying to get some more conversations
started.

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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:42
Subject: Re: Talk to me

Hmm I never knew Yahoo had such thing, how do I get to that club?why where
do you live?
Xandra (new user)

----- Original Message -----
From: "collin weber" <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:40 PM
Subject: Talk to me

Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders since
none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.

Thanks
Collin

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From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:44
Subject: Re: Friend

I think lucky star (the 3d star) would be my favourite simple easy folds.
Xandra (new user)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elsje vd Ploeg" <evdploeg@BETUWE.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: Friend

Hallo Tommy,
------------------------
I like folds that are easy and self explanatory.
------------------------
Welcome and nice to hear from you
I also like simple easy folds.
What are your favorites?

xxxxxxxxelsje
http://www.betuwe.net/pepi/





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 10:57
Subject: Re: I want a paper cutter!

Paul Jackson wrote:
> Instead, I use an un-serrated Sabattier kitchen knife with a 15cm
> (6in) blade.  Simply fold the paper back along a sharp crease where
> the cut needs to be made and slice through it with smooth strokes,
> holding the paper steady at the crease and keeping the blade
> absolutely horizontal with the handle off the front of the table (so
> that the blade can remain horizontal).  To be fair, there's a knack to
> cutting well, but it's hardly rocket science and the technique is
> easily learnt.  The blade works best when slightly dull.

Ok, ok, I have to ask, since I've had no luck with this technique...

Everytime I've tried this I discover that what I thought was a very narrow
crease is actually quite wide, and however careful I am, the knife seems to
"wander" up and down on the width of the crease and I get a non-straight edge.
The only other person I've seen using this technique was Mrs. Yoshizawa (I
apologize for having forgotten her complete name) at the 1998 OUSA convention
in NYC. She used (or perhaps improvised, I'm not clear on this point) one of
those retractable blade utility knives. It appeared to be one of those
inexpensive ones with the colored holder and
snap-off-the-end-to-get-a-fresh-tip features. Her technique, best as I can
recall, was to fold the paper over, and she then held the knife, pressing the
blade flat against the table. There was enough curvature in the blade that I
was afraid that it would snap along one of the prescored lines!

But even using that technique success and I have remained parted. Any more
specific info/tips to pass on would be appreciated.

-D'gou





From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 11:14
Subject: Re: Beginner looking for advice

Chris,
Two other possibilities to help you learn - check with your local library,
especially in the children's department - they may have easy books to get
you started.

There are also a few videos that give basics. They might be easier to learn
from. One I like is called "Origami: the Art of Paper Folding" by Looks Like
Fun Video. Your library might be able to interlibrary loan books or videos
if they don't own them. I find that the introductory material in books (they
teach you HOW to read the diagrams) is invaluable to beginners.

Can you tell I'm a librarian ;-)

Gillian

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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 11:57
Subject: Re: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:57:14 -0400
Subject: Re: That art thing (was Re: QUESTION FOR MARC K.)

>Michael Antonette wrote:
>>    I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my obsession of folding
EVERYwhere!
>> Of course, when you're in a public restroom stall, and there's a lineup
>> waiting, they're not so appreciative of your creative endeavors... ;)
>
>Maybe you should consider joining Paperfolders Anonymous...
>
>Matthias

   I tried that. Kept folding the agenda sheets into little animals...

                                                               Michael





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:03
Subject: Re: Talk to me

-----Original Message-----
From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:03:33 -0400
Subject: Talk to me

>Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
>scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
>called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders since
>none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.

   What night, and what time? Not knowing where you are, we'd have to see
what the time difference may be. I'm in Alberta, Canada.

                                                                Michael





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:05
Subject: Re: Talk to me

>From: Xandra Leong <Xandra@SOCAL.RR.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Talk to me
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:32:02 -0700
>
>Hmm I never knew Yahoo had such thing, how do I get to that club?why where
>do you live?
>Xandra (new user)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "collin weber" <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:40 PM
>Subject: Talk to me
>
>
>Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
>scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
>called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders since
>none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.

Sorry Xandra (that is such and interesting name), but I can't remember how I
got into it.  Somone gave me the link directly to the signing in page and I
just filled out the information.  If anyone out there knows how to join the
club please tell Xandra.  I suppose I should have thought of this before I
sent the email.

Thanks
Collin

PS  Thanks for answering all the messages I put up last night.

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From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:07
Subject: Re: Knives (was RE: I want a paper cutter!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:07:52 -0400
Subject: Knives (was RE: I want a paper cutter!)

>What you need is a penknife!
>
>I use mine to cut paper if I need to, a 4 inch or less blade is perfectly
>legal to carry and if you keep it reasonably sharp it can produce a very
>clean cut either by folding & cutting or cutting along a ruler.
>
>You can also get ones with small scissors which may (or may not) be useful
>too.
>
>(And mine has a small tweezers which I have used a couple of times for tiny
>folds).
>
   But big knives are so much more impressive... I've had my share of
experiences at airports etc because of them too. I wonder if one could get a
licence to carry one for paper cutting purposes?... ;)

                                                        Michael





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:14
Subject: Re: [Talk to me]

On Dalnet, or on a different net?

Matthias

Anine Cleve wrote:
> So if anyone wanna chat, I'm on mIRC! #Origami & #Roxette





From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:14
Subject: Re: NO: Knives [Re: I want a paper cutter!]

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:14:09 -0400
Subject: NO: Knives [Re: I want a paper cutter!]

>still need to replace my concealed weapon so that I can cut paper in
>public again.
>

   You could check out the stock at an army surplus depot. There's some good
thin military blades you can get under the legal length (it varies from
region to region) that are REally sharp and hold an edge quite well, even
when constantly cutting paper. The prices aren't too bad either.

                                                 Michael





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 28 Oct 1999 12:16
Subject: Re: Talk to me

>From: Michael Antonette <mylor@TELUSPLANET.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Talk to me
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:02:22 -0700
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Date: October 27, 1999 10:28 PM
>Subject: Talk to me
>
>
> >Anyone interested in some origami chat this week.  I finally have off of
> >scool and I can stay up chatting the night away.  Come to The yahoo club
> >called paper wonders.  I never get a chance to talk to other folders
>since
> >none live in my area and I just have to share my thoughts with someone.
>
>
>    What night, and what time? Not knowing where you are, we'd have to see
>what the time difference may be. I'm in Alberta, Canada.
>
>                                                                 Michael

We usually meet on Tuesday nights at 8:00 at least I know it's 8:00 in
Wisconsin where I live.  I would like to get a few people to chat with
either tonight or friday night since I missed the last chat on Tuesday do
you think you could make it?  Do you know how to get onto Yahoo chat and to
the paperwonders chat group?

Thanks
Collin

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