




From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:04
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Come on, now. Even individuality is cloned and trended.  Look at the
"goth"
> scene, the "piercing scene" and all manner of canned rebellion.  Try to be
an
> individual.  I dare ya.

Dare taken--I hate trendiness as a way to escape individual formation of
personality. Don't equate buying into what is being sold as reasonableness.
Rebellion that is canned is not rebellion--it's a picture of a butterfly
pinned to a sample box. When the crowd recited in unison "Yes, we are all
individuals." did you realize that that was a joke? (Perhaps the Python
reference is lost these days...oh well). First you argued that we vote with
our $, now you seem to assert that the only viable way to be an individual
is to accept what lies in society's range of amplitude of individuality. You
paint a very scary vision of what society "should be". Luckily, I realize
that that "should be" is only your construct, unless you profess a need to
reflect concensus as a default for the effort of actual introspection. I'll
tell society what I'm doing when I'm done, rather than try to keep up with
it telling me what to do.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:50
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

At 20:38 99/09/23 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Joseph and Mark -- then why are the papers I have from Sasuga and
>Fascinating Folds and Kim's Crane and local stores all perfect squares,
>while the paper from OUSA is off?    Anita

Paper has grain (a direction in which most of the paper fibres are lined
up), and will stretch in different amounts along the grain versus against
the grain as its dampness changes. Humidity will affect the paper's
dampness. So, if you have paper that was cut in a place where the humidity
is pretty close to the humidity where you live, it will retain its shape
when you get it. If the humidity is quite different (either higher or
lower), the paper will stretch or shrink. Since it has grain, it will
stretch or shrink more in one direction than in the other direction,
resulting in paper that is not quite square any more. At that point, you
have two options:
1. Trim the paper to a "perfect square", or
2. Change the humidity of your home to match the place where your paper was
originally cut.
As you can see, trimming is easier...

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:54
Subject: Re: Under 20

>I am under 20 years old.  I will turn 15 on October 1st.

Hey my birthday is close by: September 29.  I only have a few days left to
be a teenager.  Golly that took forever

David





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:55
Subject: Size Matters

Joseph & Anita,

When I first saw the criticism in regard to the lack of true squareness of
OUSA's Origami paper, I blamed the manufacture of the paper who supplies
OUSA.

Then I noted Joseph's statement: Anita, you are forgetting about regional
differences in humidity which can
account for that amount of difference in the paper size.

It had not occured to me. I have noticed that when I have cut some papers
square for wet folding. Once wet they would no longer be square. I have
never been particular sensitive to the grain of the paper - it will do what
I want it to. The grain of the paper seems to effect the shifting of the
paper when wet.

The Swedish Origami paper that was shown at convention talked about the
importance of moisture in manufacturing. Hans talked about balancing the
moister of the paper top and bottom during manufacturing. If the paper was
to be the traditional paper - the color on one side had to be balanced on
the white side. For dou-paper the moisture content of the two inkes had to
be equalized.

The wonders of simple science. Thanks, Joseph for pointing out what I should
have known already.

Mark





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:00
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

>So now you've just argued in favor of a monopoly.  The last time I checked
>there was a reason why monopolies are illegal.

Have I?  The only thing that I've said is that the "warehouse" style of shop
is very much in fashion now, just like the "diner look" was the way to go in
restaurants at one time.  How is that arguing in favor of a monopoly?  I've
also seen the "artificial country look" mass produced and dashed out in
quantity, aka your "mom and pop" operations.

>eel would have the book even if they knew store A was a great store?

Define "great store"?  To me, great store is economical, convenient and
imbued with a large selection.

> Now keep taking
>different stores, rest., etc. and replace with superstores.  What happens
> to our money?  It's no longer in town.

Your first fallacy is assuming that the local shops make the majority of the
money in a community, and that local shop employees comprise the entire
spending capital of the community.  This leads to a false conclusion.

Second, you automatically assume that the chain store quality is always
second-rate, which is extremely subjective and highly debatable.  A "small
mom& pop" shop MIGHT be better than a chain, but who says they have the time
or the resources to contribute a higher quality product?

The buying power of Borders and B&N gives them the ability to provide higher
quality services, and in some cases, attract better authors and performers to
their retail outlets.  When was the last time you saw Tom Clancy signing his
novels at "Ye Old Book Den"?

The only thing that would make Borders and B&N better would be to sell
alcohol.

We need a chain store called "Brewery Books"

Rob





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:01
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

Retire and starve? Hardly.  Small business owners who can afford "nice
houses" usually write off everything they do, with the exception of their
laundry.  Check the tax rules.  And don't be fooled by those "low profit"
numbers.  They just mean "cooked the books"

No pun intended.

Rob





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:02
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

Come on, now. Even individuality is cloned and trended.  Look at the "goth"
scene, the "piercing scene" and all manner of canned rebellion.  Try to be an
individual.  I dare ya.

In a message dated 9/23/99 5:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes:

<<
 Yeah, I think I'll go plug in my poetry machine and get some neat rhymes,
 too. When everything becomes MacDonalds, then there is no longer a
 benchmark, and as with all capitalist enterprises, that means that quality,
 convenience, etc... cease to become of importance. Everything in our culture
 will be fast-food "stuff". All the best again - c!!!





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:04
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

Geez? I thought Borders advertised itself. I never see radio spots and very
few newspaper ads.  Borders advertises by REPUTATION, primarily, I would
argue.  Drive by a Borders that's open till 11pm every weeknight, then drive
by the competing "Bob's Bargain Books"-- whoah! Wouldja look at that? Bob's
only open Tuesdays and Thursdays, from 10am to 3pm.  Well, doesn't fit my
work schedule...





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:13
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

At 21:07 99/09/23 -0400, D'gou asked:
>I can't remember (maybe I never asked? I can't recall that either):

I think it was asked before...

>Informal origami list survey for wet folders:
>        Do you cut your paper square before dampening or after?

After dampening. Michael LaFosse does it before.

>        (and does anyone know which way Yoshizawa does it?)

Before.
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:23
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

>Joseph Wu indited:
>
>+Paper has grain (a direction in which most of the paper fibres are lined
>+up), and will stretch in different amounts along the grain versus against
>+the grain as its dampness changes.
>
>Oh, this is too easy! Just cut it on a bias!
>
>+1. Trim the paper to a "perfect square", or
>+2. Change the humidity of your home to match the place where your paper was
>+originally cut.
>+As you can see, trimming is easier...
>
>I can't remember (maybe I never asked? I can't recall that either):
>
>Informal origami list survey for wet folders:
>        Do you cut your paper square before dampening or after?
>        (and does anyone know which way Yoshizawa does it?)
>
>
>-D'gou

in reply to what Joseph Wu said: adjusting humidity to match the east
coast: yuck!!!!!  In reply to Doug: I cut then wet.  I know the paper won't
be square when it's wet, but it will be when it dries again!  This probably
means that everyone else does it the other way around, but I just hate the
idea of having paper that's really not square.  What if someone unfolded it
later to discover that it was not square?  That would be embarrasing.  This
moisture distortion thing annoys me because shouldn't we west coast people
prefer to acquire origami paper either made or cut here, but most of the
paper is imported from Japan.  I've noticed that black origami paper will
be affected the worst, but it also feels different than other colors of
origami paper!  Am I tripping or has other people noticed this?

David





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:24
Subject: Re: Modular origami AND [NO] Borders

Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Origami Leggos...I love it!  What a fabulous idea!
>

A folder, I believe he was Italian, has designed a set of Leggo folds which
I say displayed at the British Origami Society's 25th Anniversary
Convention in London in 1992.  They were fabulous!  The picture I took
which I have just dug out to refresh my memory shows that he designed one
to four peg units, wheel units, and units to construct a train and people
figures.  He had some rough diagrams for one or two pieces, but as far as I
know they have never been published anywhere.  Does anyone know his name
and if any of the diagrams have been published?

Martha





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:54
Subject: Re: humidity variations

At 21:35 99/09/23 -0500, you wrote:
>My impression is that atmospheric humidity varies as much in any place (most
>places anyway) from time to time as it does from place to place at a given
>time (or different times, for that matter). The average humidity in Phoenix
>is lower than the average humidity in Seattle, obviously. But there are
>times when (simultaneously) Phoenix is wet and Seattle is dry. That's point
>number 1.

Yes, that is true. And you will find variations in paper stretching on
different days in the same location. Try comparing the same sheet of paper
on a summer day vs a winter day, for example.

>Point number 2: There must be far less grain-stretching from atmospheric
>humidity than from dampening paper for wet-folding.

Yes. But 95% humidity vs. 5% humidity is a significant difference! Actually,
hot and humid makes for a greater effect than cold and humid.

>Can anyone cite some
>hard science, some quantitative experimental documentation of paper
>stretching in the direction of its grain with an increase in atmospheric
>humidity?

It exists, but why bother? I've seen the evidence of my own paper (same
sheet) as I've traveled to different parts of the world. Paper that is
square here in Vancouver (where the humidity is usually lower and the
temperature is lower) is badly warped in NYC. Indeed, the paper feels
noticeably damp in NYC.

>Do some kinds of paper stretch more than others?

Yes. Depends on the amount of grain, the type of fibres, the type of sizing,
the amount of sizing, etc.

>How much of an
>increase in humidity produces measurable distortion from square?

Depends on the type of paper and the size of a square. A 1 mm square of
paper will obviously show less distortion than a 1 m square.

>Could the
>distortion run along a diagonal, producing a stretched diamond?

Yes. Depends on how the grain runs on the sheet. Usually paper is cut so
that the grain runs parallel to one of the edges, so a rectangle results
instead of a diamond.

>One can
>imagine many variations of humidity-induced paper-stretching, but where is
>the hard evidence? Where are the numbers?

Don't remember. Nor do I care. Certainly a controlled experiment would give
you such information, but I already know what happens based on my own
informal observations. Believe what you will.

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From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 19:20
Subject: Re: Under 20

I am under 20 years old.  I will turn 15 on October 1st.





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:38
Subject: moisture distortion

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Joseph and Mark -- then why are the papers I have from Sasuga and
Fascinating Folds and Kim's Crane and local stores all perfect squares,
while the paper from OUSA is off?    Anita





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:42
Subject: Re: humidity variations

I got a simple story that helps support the humidity variations claim.  I
bought origami paper in a craft store in Mass. and it was wonderfully
square.  I flew back to CA and guess what?  It's no longer wonderfully
square.

David
ps of course the wonderfully is implied with square, but I love superfluous
adjectives!





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:45
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

Spider Barbour wrote:
>
> -- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>
> Dear Joseph and Mark -- then why are the papers I have from Sasuga and
> Fascinating Folds and Kim's Crane and local stores all perfect squares,
> while the paper from OUSA is off?    Anita

I had the same problem but it included the foil paper I bought, you
remember that stuff glued to a metallic foil that doesn't care about
humidity one way or the other.  To say there have been no problems with
paper bought from OUSA is dishonest, but to say that the the worker who
did the cutting did it on purpose is equally dishonest.  The OUSA prices
are not the highest, in fact they are one of the lowest, you get what
you pay for, caveat emptor.  But claiming no fault, it was the papers
fault.  Come on! be honest, the amount of difference caused but humidity
isn't all that big, and I know! in Iowa we get 90 percent to 95%
humidity all the time but only one source was unsquare.  To get a 32 nd
of an inch difference in paper it would take more than humidity it would
take the paper being wet folded.  Don't apologize for human error just
say OK it happened, but we are getting better!

Perry
--
"Each time he shifted gears he did it as if the Moment of Truth
had arrived in a bullfight"
H. Allen Smith "The Pig in the Barber Shop"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Rona Gurkewitz <GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:52
Subject: teaching and prefolding modulars

  In response to Dorothy's analogy to Lego's about prefolded modulars,
I use this technique in demonstrating and teaching when I have limited
time. I make up a batch of Sonobes, pass them out in batches of 6 and
leave it as a puzzle to put together a cube. Then I go over diagrams
on how to make a module. I'm hoping that completing a model will be
more motivating than having enough units and not completing a model.

Rona





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 21:07
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

Joseph Wu indited:

+Paper has grain (a direction in which most of the paper fibres are lined
+up), and will stretch in different amounts along the grain versus against
+the grain as its dampness changes.

Oh, this is too easy! Just cut it on a bias!

+1. Trim the paper to a "perfect square", or
+2. Change the humidity of your home to match the place where your paper was
+originally cut.
+As you can see, trimming is easier...

I can't remember (maybe I never asked? I can't recall that either):

Informal origami list survey for wet folders:
        Do you cut your paper square before dampening or after?
        (and does anyone know which way Yoshizawa does it?)

-D'gou





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 21:35
Subject: humidity variations

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

My impression is that atmospheric humidity varies as much in any place (most
places anyway) from time to time as it does from place to place at a given
time (or different times, for that matter). The average humidity in Phoenix
is lower than the average humidity in Seattle, obviously. But there are
times when (simultaneously) Phoenix is wet and Seattle is dry. That's point
number 1.

Point number 2: There must be far less grain-stretching from atmospheric
humidity than from dampening paper for wet-folding. Can anyone cite some
hard science, some quantitative experimental documentation of paper
stretching in the direction of its grain with an increase in atmospheric
humidity? Do some kinds of paper stretch more than others? How much of an
increase in humidity produces measurable distortion from square? Could the
distortion run along a diagonal, producing a stretched diamond? One can
imagine many variations of humidity-induced paper-stretching, but where is
the hard evidence? Where are the numbers?

Spider Barbour





From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 21:55
Subject: Re: Borders & other bookstores

>To Rob Moes:
>
>What happens when you run out of books in stock at Borders and B&N?  I've
>been down that road it will happen and sooner than you might think.  Will
>you start ordering there or at the indepedent bookstore?
>
>David

Hehe!  There are always grand openings of new and bigger and more fabulous
Borders and B&N., all full of origami books.    I think they tear them
down, rather than restock the shelves.    :)

I'm not one to complain.  I have almost 60 titles, so I think I'm doing
pretty well with my book collection.  Probably 2/3 came from one of the two
big monolith stores.  Well, not Origami 3, which I ordered from an
independent bookstore in Tel Aviv.

Rob





From: Marianne Levin <mariannele@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 22:05
Subject: stockholm, sweden

Can anyone tell me if there are any shop who sells origamipaper i Stockholm,
Sweden.
Thak you all for a very interesting mailinglist.
Marianne

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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 22:34
Subject: Re: [NO] Chains vs the little guy

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rjlang@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 8:59 PM
Subject: [NO] Chains vs the little guy

> I
> rate the quality of a bookstore heavily on one criterion: how many of MY
> books do they stock?
>
> Robert J. Lang

Ah!! That is what we needed, some grounding for a more concrete basis for
judgement. I must admit--that is where I go for my origami books, but I feel
so dirty afterward. My favorite local purveyor has fewer titles than I do,
but they have big chairs they let you sit and read in all day long if you so
desire, and a friendly cat that's unhealthily fat. The owner also knows the
scattered interests of all of his readers, so sometimes he goes out of his
way to track down some treasure--if you can't afford it, you can sit and
read it (with a coffee and muffin, burrito, or whatever). I usually don't
like to wait for orders, though. If I want something fast--I run to a biggie
and then have to repay the kharmic debt from it the rest of the week. Pretty
much only origami books fall into that category for me.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 23:32
Subject: Re: over 80

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniela Carboni <rednina@TISCALINET.IT>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Thoki Yenn wrote:
>
> >Am I the only one over 80
>
>
> But you are more lovable than a teenager...
>
> The Small and Shameless Mongo of the South
>
> (aging her 29)
> /\_/\        Daniela S. Carboni
>  o o     Rocket Scientist & Origamist
> = # =    email: rednina@tiscalinet.it

Being more loveable than a teenager is no great accomplishment--but I'm sure
the sentiment is pretty much universally accepted among this list. The
Middling and Piddling Zippy of the West.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 23:36
Subject: Re: dream origami

>In a message dated 9/23/99 10:54:06 PM, dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:
>
><< I had a strange dream.  I was folding the devil from Viva Origami (a book
>that I don't have, and I haven't folded the devil before) and when I
>finished it, it clawed up my face and ran away!  So watch out when you fold
>devils. >>
>
>Wow, that sounds scary! Now, I wonder ....will you try to fold the devil from
>Viva Origami? Or, are you too scared?

If I ever get a copy of it I will.  But perhaps I'll let someone else fold
those claw-like hands

David





From: Greg Foster <fostergr@MISSOURI.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 23:47
Subject: Re: Creating complex origami (NO: borrow/steal aphorism)

OK, so I'm several days behind in processing my Inbox. Belatedly, I second
David's praise for Dr. O'Hanlon's post. BUT <!--Quibble approaching-->

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Dr Stephen O'Hanlon wrote:

> 4) Both Picasso and Lang believe that good artists borrow, great ones
> steal.

<QUIBBLE>As the survivor of a dissertation on T. S. Eliot, I must point
out that it was he and not Picasso who originated the borrow-vs.-steal
aphorism. Here is the original passage as it stands in Eliot's essay
"Philip Massinger":

     One of the surest tests [to distinguish good poets from
     inferior ones in their relation to tradition] is the way
     in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature
     poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good
     poets make it into something better, or at least something
     different.

That said, I grant that it is the altered version which has become
proverbial, and is often supposed to be Eliot's actual wording even when
correctly attributed to him.</QUIBBLE>

A cautious examination fortunately discovers no symptoms suggesting that
this bit of NO pedantry detracted one whit from my enjoyment of Dr.
O'Hanlon's excellent advice.;-)

Greg Foster
[Listowner, TSE: The T. S. Eliot List, and very INexpert origamist.]





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 23:51
Subject: Re: over 80

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Daniela Carboni <rednina@TISCALINET.IT>
>To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>
>> Thoki Yenn wrote:
>>
>> >Am I the only one over 80
>>
>>

I guess that just means that you're one of the few over 80 that's up with
today's technology that also folds origami!  Impressive, most impressive.
When I'm that old I would only hope to be is upbeat as you.

David





From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Sep 1999 23:59
Subject: [NO] Chains vs the little guy

There's been a lot of discussion about big chains (Borders, Barnes and Noble)
versus the plucky little independent bookstores. While I appreciate the
romantic image of the brave little independent as much as the next guy, I
rate the quality of a bookstore heavily on one criterion: how many of MY
books do they stock? My experiences have been that independents generally
carry at most one of them while I regularly find 3 and 4 at B&N, Borders, and
their scurrilous ilk. To an author, the quality of a bookstore is strongly
correlated to his sales at that store; and by that measure, the chains come
out well on top.

Robert J. Lang





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 00:16
Subject: Teach origami

I often read about people that teach origami.
In the USA, I think, it's very common... it seem many person, in this
list, teach origami.
Where do you teach origami?
What kind of student do u have?

I don't think it's a good way, for me, to have some money because i
could never ask money to teach someone about my wonderful passion, but
I'm very interesting about your own mode to transmit other persons
what you like.

Thank You very much,
Lorenzo

P.s. If you think it's an Out of Theme argument, please reply in
private

 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 21 Sep 1999 15:53
Subject: origami sighting

Maybe someone more familiar with the show's characters and plot can fill
in the obvious blanks:

In an episode of Dawson's Creek, one of the male characters was folding
dollar-bills into various creations. The scene was in a restaurant (which
must have been after opening hours as there were no customers), with a
girl (Joey?) and a guy chatting about life, the universe and everything
;}.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:58
Subject: Modular Origami Polyhedra

I fancy giving modular origami polyhedra a go, any sites with interesting
diagrams? (Seemed like a good idea to see if they're as fun as they look
before buying books on them)

C'ya
   Dave

************************************
* Eruditus has left the building *
************************************

"Sleep is a good hobby" mumbled Dave as he fell unconscious to his keyboard.





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 20 Sep 1999 21:38
Subject: Re: Akira Yoshizawa book

For those of you looking for a book of Akira Yoshizawa that includes a
collection of his creations might be more successful if you looked up a
more recent book than the Dokuhon.  In 1996 he published just such a book
called Inochi Yutakana Origami (might be translated Origami Filled with
Life).  Its ISBN is  4-196096-31-2 C2072  .
I must have picked it up at the OrigamiUSA convention in New York City.
The book was published in Japan and does not have any English text.





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:29
Subject: Tanteidan Insect Book?

Hello,

I remember reading mention of a Tanteidan book of
their insects coming out in August. Or should I say,
JOAS book of their insects coming out in August?

Either way, August has come and gone, and I was
wondering if anyone had heard more about this book.

Regards,

Carmine

===
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Carmine Di Chiara
carmine_dichiara@yahoo.com
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 01:51
Subject: Re: Teach origami

In a message dated 9/23/99 10:20:21 PM, lory@NETSIS.IT writes:

<< I often read about people that teach origami.
In the USA, I think, it's very common... it seem many person, in this
list, teach origami.
Where do you teach origami?
What kind of student do u have?

I don't think it's a good way, for me, to have some money because i
could never ask money to teach someone about my wonderful passion, but
I'm very interesting about your own mode to transmit other persons
what you like.
 >>

Hi. It doesn't pay that much, about as much as to be able to afford the
passion, but is a great chance to share your passion with other people,
express yourself. It's a rewarding experience and you learn more than the
ones you are teaching. You can volunteer teach, sometimes, community art
programs will sponsor the paper, or you can recycle magazines, paper. Finding
a group to teach is easy if you want the experience. I'm not sure where you
live, but I bet there is a group of people whose lives you could enrich by
sharing your passion (and, it will enrich your life too). You could call
them, see if they are interested and see how they can help with expenses,
help organize a group of students for you.
Kelly





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 02:05
Subject: Re: dream origami

In a message dated 9/23/99 10:54:06 PM, dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:

<< I had a strange dream.  I was folding the devil from Viva Origami (a book
that I don't have, and I haven't folded the devil before) and when I
finished it, it clawed up my face and ran away!  So watch out when you fold
devils. >>

Wow, that sounds scary! Now, I wonder ....will you try to fold the devil from
Viva Origami? Or, are you too scared?





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 02:10
Subject: Kawahata's Pegasus mastered!

Yippee n! times!!!!  I finally got it good and right, the mane is not
crumpled too!  I finally had decided on a different course of action than
picking up a piece of typewriter paper and folding from finish to end.  I
picked up a piece of xerox paper (yeah baby, the only way to fold) and
folded ten steps a day for the past few days.  Then finally tonight I did
the last fifty steps with masses by William Byrd to give me the spiritual
strength I needed for this fold.  And I finally got it, mane and
everything!  My crimps on the wing didn't became undone on step 136 either
as had happened on the previous six models I folded.  I might add that the
model is a tad thick in xerox paper.  Now the Pegasus can guard me from the
devil if it comes back in my dreams.

Thanks to all the people who have offered me advice on folding this model.
I know have hope that I can fold the more difficult models in this book.  I
must also say that I admire those folders out there that can sit and fold
for several hours from start to finish those complex models and never wain
in their folding ability as they fold.  It is most impressive to me.  I can
only fold for two hours before I start making mistakes.  Which makes
folding those 100+ step models more difficult for me than for others.
Happy folding to all and to all a good night :)

David





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 02:32
Subject: over 80

Am I the only one over 80

Thoki Yenn
http://www.thok.dk





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 07:39
Subject: Re: Under 20

----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Under 20

> Ian McRobbie wrote:
> >
> > I am under 20 years old.  I will turn 15 on October 1st.
>
>
>
> I'm 19. Have been for the last 32 years.

Let me guess--your dad was Jack Benny...

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Daniela Carboni <rednina@TISCALINET.IT>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 07:54
Subject: Re: over 80

Thoki Yenn wrote:

>Am I the only one over 80

But you are more lovable than a teenager...

The Small and Shameless Mongo of the South

(aging her 29)

/\_/\        Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     Rocket Scientist & Origamist
= # =    email: rednina@tiscalinet.it





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 08:55
Subject: Kunihiko Kasahara

Following his welcome and much-appreciated visit to England at the
recent Bristol BOS convention (organised by Tony O'Hare and Dave Brill -
many thanks both of you!) I'm trying to put together a biography of
Kunihiko Kasahara.

I would welcome any details, historical or philosophical about him or
his work. If anyone has completish lists of his printed books, that
would be very helpful - I suspect there are over 120 of them!

Please send privately, then I'll post the finished results to all.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 09:21
Subject: Re: moisture distortion

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 09:07:51PM -0400, Doug Philips wrote:
> Informal origami list survey for wet folders:
>         Do you cut your paper square before dampening or after?

I cut is square before dampening it, and then remove a small strip from
the longer side after dampening it. (The grain in machine-made paper
always runs parallel to one edge of the paper, so it will expand only in
one direction.)

If you are tired of unsquare paper when wetfolding, try handmade paper;
it will expand evenly in all directions. (Please get a book on
papermaking if you're interested why that is; I'm too lazy to explain it
right now. Or could someone else explain it?)

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.                        ***





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 09:42
Subject: Re: Under 20

David Whitbeck wrote:
I only have a few days left to be a teenager.  Golly that took forever?

Don't you dare complain, you don't know what's expecting you yet: the next
ten years will only take half as long to fly away, and the ten years after
that a quarter as long... until you'll be left begging for more time! It's
like looking into a telescope - it depends on which end you look into...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:02
Subject: Re: Teach origami

Lory writes:
"i could never ask money to teach someone about my wonderful passion"

I once had a request to fold a number of copies of one model for a lady who
wanted to include it in her Christmas post. I gave it a try, and did it,
but I soon discovered I hated 'factory line' folding, so I've decided I
want to fold for sharing, not for sale.

On the other hand, I think it's all right to ask for some kind of payment
if you give origami lessons.
After all, you have to find a place to teach, you probably have to bring
the materials yourself - and origami paper is neither  cheap nor
necessarily easy to get compared to other kinds of paper - maybe you make
photocopies for your students to take home, you possibly use a book which
they might want to order, and last but not least you're investing time,
efforts and talent in the process. All this costs you something, so it's
only fair that the people for whom you do this should be aware of it and
contribute something to the effort. It shows them that you respect yourself
and that you take your passion seriously, and perhaps it will make them
take it a bit more seriously too (otherwise parents will use you as a free
kindergarten dump!). It doesn't mean you have to ask for exorbitant fees!
Just cover your costs, and decide how much extra you want for yourself, you
can still keep it cheaper than the standard music or sports lessons if
that's what you want. After all, famous artists, those who were crazy about
their art, often survived by doing commission work or giving lessons...
If you are a student, you may be happy to get some pocket money this way
rather than sorting letters at the post office or sitting at a cash counter
in a supermarket.

>From a fellow idealist gradually coming to these conclusions after hard
experiences... ;-)

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:02
Subject: Re: Modular origami AND [NO] Borders

Lego being a trade mark (there's a factory where I live), I suspect it's
difficult to publish the diagrams for the same reason as Mickey Mouse,
Batman and those Pokemon things. And of course, paper Legos would be much
cheaper than the real thing...Please, let's not go through the whole
copyright argument again...:'-(

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:18
Subject: Frayed Thread

Maarten naively asks:

>Spenjurmunni is in the archives. What kind of model/animal is it?<

Don't start!





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:26
Subject: Re: dream origami

Ronald Koh indited:

> Yeah!! We're back on track! Does this mean the end of the Borders/B & N
> vs community bookstores thread?

Irrelevant. This isn't a one conversation at a time medium. If you don't like
the current thread, start another one! You don't have to wait for any thread
to finish first. (Sorry, not to pick on Ronald, but I this attitude has been
expressed before, so this made a convenient place to reply).

>  I only know of three: Kawahata, Montroll and
> > Harris. ...(snip) can somebody please tell me about other triceratops
     models?
> I have one, a photo of which was on the Oriland guestroom. No diagrams
> yet, though.

Isn't there a YOSHINO Issei Triceratops too?

-Dougg





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:26
Subject: The Borders thread

Come on, guys! At least it was marked [NO] for "Non Origami Related".. learn
to use mail filters..

Rob





From: "Katherine J. Meyer" <kathy@SILENTWORLD.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:59
Subject: Re: dream origami

That's funny. We were just talking about that devil at a recent Chat, I said I
thought it would be scary to have that model around and Tommy suggested to fold
some angles to place next to the demon.

Kathy  <*))))><

P.S. You are all welcome to join us at the Origami Chats. We meet every Tuesday
night at 8pm CST. Here is the url    http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/paperwonders

david whitbeck wrote:

> ><< I had a strange dream.  I was folding the devil from Viva Origami (a book
> >that I don't have, and I haven't folded the devil before) and when I
> >finished it, it clawed up my face and ran away!  So watch out when you fold
> >devils. >>





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 11:09
Subject: origami sighting

This joke was sent to me through another mailing list. The sender does not
know I fold.

"
Update on Japanese Banking Crisis:

According to our inside contacts the Japanese banking crisis shows no signs
of ameliorating. If anything, it's getting worse.

Following last week's news that Origami Bank had folded, we are hearing
that Sumo Bank has gone belly up and Bonsai Bank plans to cut back some of
its branches. Karaoke Bank is up for sale and is (you guessed it!) going
for a song.

Meanwhile, shares in Kamikaze Bank have nose-dived and 500 back office
staff at Karate Bank got the chop. Analysts report that there is something
fishy going on at Sushi Bank and staff there fear they may get a raw deal.
"

Greetings,
Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 11:12
Subject: Triceratopses

Doug inquired:

>Isn't there a YOSHINO Issei Triceratops too?

There is the amazing and complex Triceratops skeleton in
_Super_Complex_Origami_ , as well as a one piece Triceratops in that book.

Fumiaki Kawahata has the head of a Triceratops in the _Dinosaurs_2_  book,
as well as his full-bodied O_Fantasy model.

The O_Fantasy model gets my vote as far as favorites go... but I don't know
the Harris model.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 11:23
Subject: Triceratops [Was Re: dream origami]

>>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>>
>>Something else: favorite triceratops?
>>
>>Mine is Kawahata's.  But the question I want to know is what other
>>triceratops models are there?  I only know of three: Kawahata, Montroll and
>>Harris.  But triceratops are so much fun to fold that there have to be
>>more, can somebody please tell me about other triceratops models?

KAWAHATA's Triceratops (T. for short) in Origami Fantasy has very
good proportions, is wonderfully 3D and also "paper-effective". Only
complaints: heavy head makes it prone to tipping, and looks better
with duo paper. Jerry's model is nice too, it suggests a powerful
yet nimble beast.

There's at least
1) YOSHINO's T. and T. skeleton in Super Complex O. (IMHO not
so well-proportioned, fleshed model too humpbacked, skeleton has
tiny head);
2) Gabriel Alvarez's, nice complex model published in a BOS collection (I
have to check which);
3) a complex model by a Japanese creator (KINOSHITA Go, if I'm not mistaken),
Origami Tanteidan 4th;
4) Campbell Morris's (aka Gay Merrill Gross ???) in Fold your Own
Dinosaurs, two-piece intermediate, uses cuts;
5) Javier Capoblanco, OUSA Annual 99 (?), two-piece;
6) KAWAHATA Fumiaki in Origami Dinosaur, intermediate two-piece, almost cute;
7) KAWAHATA's T.'s head in Origami Dinosaur 2 [I think most will
agree KAWAHATA's generally more successful in complex than in
intermediate models]; and
8) Ronald Koh's, don't know about diagrams [it's a pity, it looks
like it has the best head/body proportions out there].

There's a two-piece intermediate T. by a Japanese creator in a NOA magazine,
must check the number and author's name at home; I don't know whether
Peter Budai's first book includes a T.

Please don't confuse the different models with same name and author. There's
even a fourth T. by KAWAHATA in an ORU issue (photo only, no diagram, so
I can't say if it's structurally similar to the one in O.Fantasy; it
certainly looks much less 3D).

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 11:24
Subject: Re: Triceratops [Was Re: dream origami]

At 11:23 99/09/24 -0300, Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>KAWAHATA's Triceratops (T. for short) in Origami Fantasy has very
>good proportions, is wonderfully 3D and also "paper-effective". Only
>complaints: heavy head makes it prone to tipping, and looks better
>with duo paper.

I agree. But you can solve the tipping problem by making the hind legs
shorter (bigger feet). I prefer it out of mono paper...the colour change is
not all that effective IMHO.

>There's at least
>1) YOSHINO's T. and T. skeleton in Super Complex O. (IMHO not
>so well-proportioned, fleshed model too humpbacked, skeleton has
>tiny head);

Right. Not his best work.

>4) Campbell Morris's (aka Gay Merrill Gross ???) in Fold your Own
>Dinosaurs, two-piece intermediate, uses cuts;

Nope. AKA Carmel Morris of Australia. She chose (or was given) the pen name
because the publisher thought that a male origami author would be better
accepted. She used to be on this list...I don't remember if she still is or
not.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 11:26
Subject: Re: dream origami

At 10:59 99/09/24 -0500, you wrote:
>That's funny. We were just talking about that devil at a recent Chat, I said I
>thought it would be scary to have that model around and Tommy suggested to
>fold some angles to place next to the demon.

So then we'll also need some tassels to drive them away. Actually, that's an
interesting question: are dibbiks (sp?) actually considered demons? Is the
reverse also true?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@VIADOR.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 13:27
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

Speaking of Origami Sightings...

Last night on NBC's "Stark Raving Mad", someone folded a flapping bird... (it
     was then set on fire, in an unintentional(?) tribute to Jeremy Schaffer)

-g-





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 13:52
Subject: shrimp with antennae

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

There is such a model (with cuts) in Isao Honda's "World of Origami" and one
(without cuts) in Akira Yoshizawa's "Beautiful Origami."
                Anita





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 15:07
Subject: 5th Tanteidan review (longish)

Hi all,

I have recently received my copy of Tanteidan 5, and though I would do a
little promotion for the book. As usual, the production is beautiful, with
a layout and cover design very similar to Tanteidan 4.

There appear to be quite a few models over the number included last year,
evident in the thickness of this book alone. I was silly enough not to
bring the book with me to work, so the following contents are just an idea
of what is included: some simple flowers, various-shaped containers (eg.
triceratops, tanuki, crab), spotted carp, three-piece dragon, three-headed
dragon, "Bahamut" (very mean-looking winged beast), T-Rex, disection of an
alien, spotted cow, long-horned cow/moose, a wizard, "scorpion-man" (my
term, seems like a very interesting study of model development, if only I
could read Japanese). International contributors include David Derudas
with butterflies, cobra and boomerang, the Shumakovs with flowers and a
great clown, and Peter Budai with animals including an alligator (could be
a crocodile, memory giving out at this point) and
ostrich

Diagram quality varies from model to model, depending on whether
instructions are computer-generated of hand-drawn, but as I haven't folded
much as yet, I cannot comment on whether there are any "gamera-type"
difficulties with this one (remembering past troubles).

Overall I would give it top marks, being an exceptional collection of
models. Just as an aside, some of these models have appeared elsewhere,
including some Fuse boxes, a little accordian, a baby T-rex...that's about
all I can remember at this point.

Well done JOAS!

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
Applied Science
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5665
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 15:40
Subject: Re: Triceratops [Was Re: dream origami]

>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>>
>>I agree. But you can solve the tipping problem by making the hind legs
>>shorter (bigger feet). I prefer it out of mono paper...the colour change is
>>not all that effective IMHO.
Sorry, I did meant single color (i.e. "mono") on both faces, not duocolor.
I'm sure the author did not intend a color-changed model.

>>Nope. AKA Carmel Morris of Australia. She chose (or was given) the pen name
I stand corrected, thx.
>>because the publisher thought that a male origami author would be better

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 16:12
Subject: Re: New model in incoming

Robert Lang wrote:

> I've placed a new model diagram in the "incoming" directory. It's called
> "Spenjurmunni.pdf." Would you please move it into the model diagrams?

I'm back again.
Had a nice time in Bristol at the BOS convention.

Spenjurmunni is in the archives. Under the 'Not Categorized' group.
What kind of model/animal is it?

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 16:20
Subject: Origami sighting

>From "The Economist" Sept 4, 1999, page 75, Science and Technology section:
Heading: Molecular origami.
The first paragraph begins by pointing out how hard it can be to learn
origami by following instructions in a book. The article then goes on to
imagine how difficult it would be to attempt to fold a piece of paper into an
animal without any diagrams, but only a list of needed folds. You are not
even told what animal you are supposed to end up with. "This is the kind of
problem faced by biologists who are engaged in 'protein-structure prediction'
- the task of determining the shape assumed by a protein when it folds itself
up.

    The article continues for a page and a half, but no more about origami.

Best from Florence.





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 17:37
Subject: Re: Triceratopses

> >Isn't there a YOSHINO Issei Triceratops too?
>
> There is the amazing and complex Triceratops skeleton in
> _Super_Complex_Origami_ , as well as a one piece Triceratops in that
book.
>
> Fumiaki Kawahata has the head of a Triceratops in the _Dinosaurs_2_
book,
> as well as his full-bodied O_Fantasy model.

There is also a two-piece Triceratops in 'Fold your own Dinosaurs' by
Campbell Morris.  Angus & Robertson, 1988.  ISBN 0-207-15632-2.  It
features a cut and a slit, but the result ain't 'alf bad at all.  It
must also be one of the simplest Tricreratopseseses (Bird Base body
piece, Kite Base head piece).  The book is perhaps little known today
(?), but has a minor place in origami history as one of the first --
if not *the* first --  book dedicated to dinosaurs.  It contains 12
models, including a flying Pterodatyl.  It's worth a look.

Paul Jackson
'Why do the names of the six continents end with the same letter as
they start with?' -- Whitney Houston, 1992.





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:13
Subject: Re: Shrimp with antennae (was Re: lizard with toes)

Well Joseph,

you answered your own question already! :o)

Impatiently waiting
Evi





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 21:56
Subject: Re: Under 20

Ian McRobbie wrote:
>
> I am under 20 years old.  I will turn 15 on October 1st.

I'm 19. Have been for the last 32 years.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 21:56
Subject: Re: dream origami

david whitbeck wrote:

> Something else: favorite triceratops?

Yeah!! We're back on track! Does this mean the end of the Borders/B & N
vs community bookstores thread?

 I only know of three: Kawahata, Montroll and
> Harris. ...(snip) can somebody please tell me about other triceratops models?

I have one, a photo of which was on the Oriland guestroom. No diagrams
yet, though.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 25 Sep 1999 01:10
Subject: Re: The Borders thread

Sorry! My tongue-in-cheek comments were meant as a joke. It was a fun
read, but a little out of context for me.

We have lots of bookstores in Singapore, including Borders and
Kinokuniya, but no B & N. None of the small independent types I used to
frequent as a kid seem to be around anymore - unless they are specialist
bookshops. The rest probably folded up, or evolved into larger, regional
chains, e.g. Popular, Times, MPH, etc. Borders and Kinokuniya are my
favourites only because they carry more English and Japanese
(respectively) origami books than any other store, while Popular is
where I go for the occasional Chinese language ones.

I usually get most of the better books through mail order, though, as
the retail price of books here is actually higher than what I need to
pay for the same books through mail order - postage and handling
included. As an example, I bought Origami Omnibus for S$68.00 (US$42.50
then) from a local store some years back. I could have gotten it for
US18.95 from the Source plus maybe US$5 - $10 postage and handling.
Ordering through the bookstores cost even more.

Rob Hudson wrote:
>
> Come on, guys! At least it was marked [NO] for "Non Origami Related".. learn
> to use mail filters..
>
> Rob





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 25 Sep 1999 01:25
Subject: Re: Triceratops [Was Re: dream origami]

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>
> 8) Ronald Koh's, don't know about diagrams [it's a pity, it looks
> like it has the best head/body proportions out there].

Thanks for compliments. Have yet to work on PC diagrams. Gosh, it looks
like I will be well into Thoki's vintage before I get everything done,
at the rate I'm going. :o(





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 14:34
Subject: Re: Dibbiks

At 23:17 99/09/24 +0200, Julia Palffy wrote:
>Joseph Wu wrote:
>Actually, that's an interesting question: are dibbiks (sp?) actually
>considered demons? Is the reverse also true?
>
>What are dibbiks??? I didn't see them come in...

Dibbiks (dibbicks? dibbuks? dibbucks?) are little creatures/demons/gremlins
(I'm not sure which) that like to hide in corners or angles. They are from
Jewish folklore, I think. They don't like things that swing back and forth,
so prayer shawls are made with tassels on the ends to drive them away. They
came in when someone (I forget who) talked about making angles for Maekawa's
demon (he calls it "devil") to live in.

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 17:13
Subject: Re: dream origami

>Greetings,
>
>I had a similar scary dream about folding origami models
>that were like those toys called transformers which turned
>themselves into origami monsters that chased after me in
>the streets.  They kept unfolding and folding into different
>things.  Maybe it's time to take a break from the origami, Dave!
>
>Ria

Actually this was after a long break from it (I had programming and a
final) that I had this dream.  But I was taking mind altering medication at
the time

Were those models more than meets the eye?  hehe

David





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 17:33
Subject: Size matters

Anita,

 I don't know. That is really strange since we get our paper from the same
manufacturers in some cases?

Mark

Date:    Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:38:50 -0500
From:    Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Subject: moisture distortion

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Joseph and Mark -- then why are the papers I have from Sasuga and
Fascinating Folds and Kim's Crane and local stores all perfect squares,
while the paper from OUSA is off?    Anita





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 1999 18:03
Subject: Moisture Content

I should have read farther along. I should have known that Joseph would have
the answer.

I generally cut my paper for wet folding dry.  I have found that the paper
tends to shred while cutting when wet rather than a good clean line. I must
admit that much of my wet folding is done with wallpaper. I try to choose
paper, or paper-backed vinyl wallpaper. Fabric backed wallpaper general
works OK. I have backcoated the wallpaper to Bemis Jason Fadless Bulletin
Board paper when it has too much vinyl to hold a fold. Bemis Jason shreds
when wet fold but it is cheap and comes in 2 or 4 foot roll that are 20
yards long. I get it a local school/art supply company - Dick Blick. The
Teachers will recognize the name - I just drive down the road rather than go
through mail order or the Board of Ed.

When I took a wet folding class with David Brill  at the CDO convention last
year. David was using a heavy grey paper to fold his horse. He basically
just moistened the paper with a damp paper towel to make it flexible. The
model was hand held in place while it dried.

 When I use the wallpaper, I will partially fold the model, unfold it and
put on a health dose of wall paper paste ( 1 to 3 teaspoons per pint - let
sit 20 minutes before starting). I generally make my paste on the thick
side. When I am done wet folding I will hold it together with plastic coated
paper clips ( regular ones can leave rust spots) and telephone wire. I had
used string or rubber bands initially to hold the models in shape but they
left marks. I can collect the telephone wire everytime there is construction
and the contractors move around phone lines. So the cost is right for the
telephone wires. In addition, the wire can be shaped more easily.

Mark
