




From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 21:35
Subject: Re: Modular Origami Polyhedra

david whitbeck wrote:

> Good point but Lang insects don't have that repitive nature (snip)

And there is no repetition in seven attempts at Kawahata's pegasus,
without success at that!? Sure you were looking at the diagrams for the
same model each time? :o))





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:25
Subject: Re: Modular Origami Polyhedra

Interesting note from Michael Janssen-Gibson.  Modulars definitely have
their place.  Interestingly enough, I was working on Mette rings with my
nephews, and found that one liked folding them and the other preferred
assembly.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 16:03
Subject: Re: Modular Origami Polyhedra

>Good point but Lang insects don't have that repitive nature where you're
>repeating the same 4-10 folds over and over but telling a young lad of 19
>like me about discipline and patient is like telling the sky to be green!
>Someday a few decades from know I might learn discipline and patience but
>for now I'll fold origami!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>David

hey!  I'm a young lad of 19, and I'll take tom hull's compound of five
tetrahedra over a complex insect any day ... I find that, in general, modulars
have a simplicity and elegance that are lacking in other difficult folds.

-steve





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 16:04
Subject: B & N Calendar

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hi all -- a friend in one of my origami clubs just gave me the Barnes and
Noble Origami calendar -- very nice, but has anyone else noticed that the
pages (you're supposed to fold one each day) are not square?  Also, the
blintz fold is called blitz fold.
                Anita





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 17:25
Subject: Re: B & N Calendar

On 22 Sep 99 , Anita  Barbour wrote:

> Barnes and Noble Origami calendar -- very nice, but has anyone else
 noticed that the> pages (you're supposed to fold one each day) are not square?

Mine are off by about 1/32 of an inch which is acceptable for these simple to
low intermediate models.

By the way, the calendar is the number 12 best seller for Barnes and Noble!

The author, Margaret Van Sicklen also tells me that she is in the process of
mailing out complimentary calendars to those who contributed models.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 17:44
Subject: [NO] Borders is a scorge

Hey Doug you talk of B&N being bad, but Borders is worst.  When a Borders
was opened in Davis it forced three bookstores to close.  Now there's only
one independent bookstore (not counting used) left to fight.  Even though
Borders is larger than the Avid Reader, the Avid Reader's service is
superior to Borders.  The people at Borders do there job but without
enthusiasm and don't really seem to care whether you've been waiting alot
longer for books on hold or to even get right the author or title you're
looking for, even if it's in the store.  One time I tried ordering a book
there and they tried to convince me to get something else because they got
that first on their screen!  I go to the Avid Reader and the people there
are glad to be working their and help you out and if you have to order a
book they will get it in within a couple of days instead a couple of weeks.
I'm tired of the artificial environment Borders and B&N create with their
classical and jazz music and their cafe's it seems to mock me and the other
customers that we're selling out to a superstore when we can get better
service at a independent store and help support the local community.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 17:47
Subject:

>Anyone on the list under 20 years old?
>
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For the next seven days I'm under 20.

David





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 17:54
Subject: Re: B & N Calendar

Rachel Katz indited:
> On 22 Sep 99 , Anita  Barbour wrote:
> > Barnes and Noble Origami calendar -- very nice, but has anyone else
>  noticed that the> pages (you're supposed to fold one each day) are not
     square?

> Mine are off by about 1/32 of an inch which is acceptable for these simple to
> low intermediate models.

Interesting. Never occurred to me to check, since I wasn't planning on using
my calendar pages except to read the diagrams from! ;-)

> By the way, the calendar is the number 12 best seller for Barnes and Noble!

Good news for the Margaret and her folks!

Personally, I've found B&N (at least the ones I've dealt with in Pittsburgh)
to be a sorry excuse for a mega-chain store. My experience has been that
Border's is about 10 times better, in both selection breadth and depth. Both
of the B&N stores located near (or in) Downtown have severely impacted
non-chain/local book sellers located near by. In one case, a local store which
used to have a nice origami selection has had to drop it because of the price
(not selection) competition with B&N. Sorry to vent my "B&N is a scurge" but
to call it a B&N calendar finally got me riled.

> The author, Margaret Van Sicklen also tells me that she is in the process of
> mailing out complimentary calendars to those who contributed models.

I notice that the calendar also contains order forms for the 2001 version!
I hope this one is succesful enough to justify the follow up, though I am hard
pressed to guess what could be in it. Even the 2000 version is a stretch, with
a six unit modular cube being stretched for six days, and several days worth
of "general information (not diagrams)", I hope 2001 isn't just a repeat of
2000!

-D'gou





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:07
Subject: Modulars

I have found that doing modulars is like meditation and chanting a Mantra.
It also cost less than a Transcendental Meditation Class. Besides, you can
share your results with your friends. Modulars make prefect folding for long
business meetings. When the meeting are done you only have to go home and
assemble the pieces. Complex models usually require to much concentration
and they distract your neighbors. With modulars you get into a rhythm and by
the end of the meeting you have a nice pile.

Creativity

I prefer the term "inspired by" when you have created a new model based on
an established model. There will be difference of opinions as what
constitutes an "original" variation significant to claim ownership. I have
seen variations taught under the heading as "modified by***.

IT has been a good month for books. I have gotten the Tateidan 5th
Convention Book,  Origami Safari by Lionel Albertino, Bring Origami to Life
by Montroll and the new Yamagucchi book.

The Tantedian has a few intermediate folds  at the beginning and then some
more advanced models. My wife has been enjoying a 30 piece modular by Miyuki
Kawamura from a 2x 5 rectangle. The strange thing about it that it bounces
from the spring action of the units. The favorite of the younger set seems
to be the Bahamut model - a standing dragon with fingers, toes, detailed
face, wings and a tail - oooh! by the way it has 204 steps not including the
repeat steps * to ** on the other side. My step son Jacob (16) fold it as
his first model of the year. He also did a what I assume is a magician -
death mask with in full cape and cowl plus hands and fingers. My dentist son
also expressed interest in those two models. There is a good looking TRex by
Satoshi Kamiya. There are a couple of models by David Derudes which I had
seen in the CDO publications. He has a spiral shell and the cobra there as
well. I enjoyed Peter Budai's anteater. I think that steps 22 to 27 could be
done easier with a stretched frog base that the spread squash.

Lionel Albertino's book offers plenty of challenges. I have enjoyed the
leopard, lion, hyena and suricat. I am not sure what a suricat is  in
English. I was told that it is a mercat but I don't know what that is. I
think that it looks like a prairie dog. These models wet fold well. The
leopard has an interesting move - there is a flap that is left loose until
near the end of the model and then is wrapped over the back to "cover" the
white seam on the back. He also uses a series of locks in the bellies to
prevent the model from splaying over time. The lion has two of these belly
locks.

Montroll's new book has been in the works for over a year now. Unlike his
first books (Origami for the Enthusiast and Animal Origami for the
Enthusiast), John is now doing his diagrams by computer in stead of by hand.
He now takes the time to "test fold" the model with all  levels of folders.
If anyone takes a class with John, he hands out the diagrams and lets go. By
seeing where the students have problems, John either adjust the models or
the diagrams to make them more user-friendly. This means his models are
becoming more accessible by the average folder than his earlier book.  His
first books were done by hand when he was about 16. So the past criticism in
regards to these books, I feel was unjustified. In many cases, I prefer the
earlier models, but then I also prefer Tom Baker as the Doctor who I saw
first. The models in this book are with closed backs. Most of the models are
intermediate. My favorite is the swallow. I first learned his swallow over a
year ago and have a set of step folds so that I could remember it. Unlike
most birds, it is in flight not standing. When wet folded it makes a great
hanging model. Last year, June Sakamoto talked me out of about a dozen of
them for the Museum of Natural History's Holiday Tree. Other models include
dog, cat, and brontosaurus.

The Yamagucchi book has more difficult models than is usual for him. I have
spent limited time with this book so I can not really give it a fair
assessment. I must say that I enjoyed going though it. There were a number
of Bottle covers. Bottle covers were strange  concept when I first saw one
made from felt. I was told that they were to cover the liquor bottle so as
not to offend your wife that you are drinking. OK- different strokes for
different folks. There were a few models based on cutting slits in strategic
positions in the paper so as to center a model basically made from a square.
There was at least one if not more twist boxes.

I hope this helps.

Mark





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:10
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

----- Original Message -----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Now there's only
> one independent bookstore (not counting used) left to fight.  Even though
> Borders is larger than the Avid Reader, the Avid Reader's service is
> superior to Borders.
> David

I believe you are forgetting Bogie's books, the best bookseller in town. All
the best - c!!!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:36
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

>----- Original Message -----
>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>> Now there's only
>> one independent bookstore (not counting used) left to fight.  Even though
>> Borders is larger than the Avid Reader, the Avid Reader's service is
>> superior to Borders.
>> David
>
>
>I believe you are forgetting Bogie's books, the best bookseller in town. All
>the best - c!!!

I meant besides used bookstores.  I say this because I've noticed that the
competition is not direct, a bookseller doesn't push used bookstores out of
business.  They're on two different levels.  In Modesto a B&N opened up by
Yesterday's Books (which by the way is my favorite used bookstore) I mean
they were right across the street and Yesterday's survives.  I like Sweet
Briar's more than Bogie's myself, but it's much better than that store that
sells used books for horribly expensive prices.

David





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:58
Subject:

Anyone on the list under 20 years old?

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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 19:24
Subject: Re: lizard with toes

Message text written by Origami List
>How many toes do lizards actually have...?<

        Most have 5; some have none.  8-D

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 22:18
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

>I'm getting tired of this overwhelming sentiment that the "home town"
>bookstore deserves to live competition free when a Borders or B&N comes to
>town.  If more people want to go to Borders or B&N and buy a book, then the
>store will sell more and stay in business.  That's how capitalism works.  We
>"vote" with our dollars.  If so many people liked the independent
>booksellers, then THOSE stores would thrive.
>
>Don't blame the chains.
>
>Rob

But what about all the people who use Borders, etc. because they've heard
of them and seen their big sign, etc. and don't see the independent
bookstores with a small sign that they haven't heard of?  I hardly count
that voting with dollars when many people don't know they're even voting,
they don't know about the other stores.  Besides why shouldn't they live?
We're not talking about better products or better prices, the booksellers
sell them for the same price as borders and b&n.

David





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 22:56
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

David Whitbeck indited:

+Hey Doug you talk of B&N being bad, but Borders is worst.

It just goes to show that the people in a particular establishment make
all the difference, national reputations "aren't."

I wonder how many local bookstores have been put out of bizness by
amazon.com and alldirect.com and the like? And you can walk down the
street without even seeing them. But they compete with the local folks
just the same.

Obigami: This talk of modular versus complex: One thing a complex model
has that modulars do not is a flow to the folding. Modulars typically
don't have enough steps for that (though there are exceptions). While
both have differences, I do not see any objective criteria to lower
modular origami to a level below complex origami.

-Daddy-o "Remember, your focus determines your reality" D'gou





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 23:21
Subject: Modular origami AND [NO] Borders

Let me end a couple of bad threads right now!

I shouldn't have attacked an entire chain of bookstores and made bad
generalities about their employees due to the few that I know.  I apologize
for ranting about that.

More importantly I should not have attacked and ridiculed those people that
fold Modular Polyhedra.  I wasn't thinking beyond the scope of my opinion,
I was being rude and I was being mean.  It was probably due to this
headache that I've had over the past few days that have made me a little
miserable.  But there's no excuse for offending the people on the list and
insulting them.  In fact I don't have a real good reason for attacking
polyhedra, especially since it is the sonobe unit that has exposed many
high school students to origami.  I might be bored by folding a unit thirty
times to create a truncated icosahedron but I admit the fun part of modular
origami is connecting them, not folding them.

Speaking of which, a friend of mine when seeing some of the boxes that I've
folded asked me if anyone folded units and sold them so that someone could
buy a package and assemble them into polyhedra, boxes, etc.  So I ask the
people on this list if it has been done.

David
ps I'll try to stop misspelling things, honest.
pps happy folding!!!





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 23:27
Subject: Re: Modular origami AND [NO] Borders

David Whitbeck wrote:

"...a friend of mine when seeing some of the boxes that I've folded
asked me if anyone folded units and sold them so that someone could buy
a package and assemble them into polyhedra, boxes, etc. So I ask the
people on this list if it has been done."

Origami Leggos...I love it!  What a fabulous idea!

Dorothy





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 22 Sep 1999 23:58
Subject:

>Anyone on the list under 20 years old?

Yep, until november.
-steve





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 00:00
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scourge

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scourge

> That's how capitalism works.  We
> "vote" with our dollars.  If so many people liked the independent
> booksellers, then THOSE stores would thrive.
>
> Don't blame the chains.

And just like democracy, the illusion of voting for who you want is covering
up the fact that your choices of what to chose between have been chosen for
you. Anything that seeks to homogenize society into a bland pate of
interchangeable cultural parts irks me, and devalues individual cultures. On
the other hand, those chains don't really make a killing in cultural centers
such as Cambridge or San Francisco. I agree with your Darwinian spin, I just
don't think that everyone has a say as to what is best, and our market, as
well as our culture, have been over run with meta-traders. You no longer
invest in businesses, you invest in an entire market structure, and that
structure will have no truck with the piddling antics of people who merely
want to exist outside its confines, having recognized them as a false
construction, outside of the world they wish to populate. Who is the
realist? The person who sells their life to an economic, oligarchic,
grey-minioned tyranny without a soul, or the one who just wants to get a
nice muffin and cup of java in the morning from someone who knows their name
and tastes? Borders gets more business 'cuz it has the bucks to buy more
business (advertizement, location--prime real estate, and then again
advertizement and location--did I mention them already?) and that's all it
is. All the best - c!!!





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 00:39
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

I'm getting tired of this overwhelming sentiment that the "home town"
bookstore deserves to live competition free when a Borders or B&N comes to
town.  If more people want to go to Borders or B&N and buy a book, then the
store will sell more and stay in business.  That's how capitalism works.  We
"vote" with our dollars.  If so many people liked the independent
booksellers, then THOSE stores would thrive.

Don't blame the chains.

Rob





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 06:10
Subject: Re: Elephant Hide paper

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 10:47:14AM +1000, Darren Scott wrote:
> What's the local name for it ?

The same -- "Elefantenhaut". It is manufactured by Zanders, though it
may be sold under different brand names.

> Is it available in regular craft stores ?

It is usually available at just about every stationery shop, but only in
light brown and 50x70 cm. If you want a greater selection -- it is
available in two weights, formats up to 100x70 cm and a large range of
colours -- you'd have to look for a big art's supply
store. Unfortunately, these are not always easy to find. If you could
tell is where exactly your friend is staying, we might be able to point
you to a specific store.

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

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From: Isa Miller <-isa-@EXCITE.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 07:14
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scourge

On         Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:00:26 -0700, Christopher Holt wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
> To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scourge
>
>
> > That's how capitalism works.  We
> > "vote" with our dollars.  If so many people liked the independent
> > booksellers, then THOSE stores would thrive.
> >
> > Don't blame the chains.
>
>====================================
> And just like democracy, the illusion of voting for who you want is
covering
> up the fact that your choices of what to chose between have been chosen
for
> you.

=====================================

I'm not sure that I totally agree with this. I see your point, but with the
internet today, things are exploding. You can have hundreds of resources at
the ends of your fingers within minutes.

Also, in "voting" with my dollar, I look for convenience, affordability and
service. With 75% of what I buy, that will be the large chain because what I
can get there is adequate.

However, in the other 25% come things that are special to me. With those
things, I will research, compare and explore options. I can guarantee I will
hit every supplier regardless of size. The retailer who gets my voting
dollar in this instance will be the one with the best product.

In the end, it comes down to the quanity vs. quality argument. Both are
legitimate ways to turn a profit. Both have their niche in the economic
structure.

Isa

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From: Marianne Levin <mariannele@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 07:27
Subject:

Can anyone tell me if there are any shop who sells origamipaper i Stockholm,
Sweden.
Thak you all for a very interesting mailinglist.
Marianne

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From: Isa Miller <-isa-@EXCITE.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 07:48
Subject: Re: the calendar

On         Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:03:27 -0500, Spider Barbour wrote:

<snip>
>         Whatever constitutes an error which "is acceptable for these
simple to low
> intermediate models," folding precisely is not made easier by badly cut
> paper.
>         This principle, that close is good enough, must also guide the
person who
> cuts the kami that OUSA sells in bulk.  I once ordered three colors of 6"
> kami in 100-sheet packages.  They were all off-square, some by as much as
a
> sixteenth of an inch.  I ended up having to trim all 300 pieces of paper.

hmmmmm.....and all this time I thought it was my lack of folding skills.
Getting the ruler out this afternoon!!

*smiles*
Isa

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From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 08:03
Subject: the calendar

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

        Curiosity piqued by Rachel Katz's comment that her calendars "are off by
about 1/32 of an inch," I measured the one I have and found it to be 3/32 of
an inch off.  I was not planning to fold the pages, but that doesn't excuse
such imprecision in the manufacture of something that should be square.
        Whatever constitutes an error which "is acceptable for these simple to
     low
intermediate models," folding precisely is not made easier by badly cut
paper.
        This principle, that close is good enough, must also guide the person
     who
cuts the kami that OUSA sells in bulk.  I once ordered three colors of 6"
kami in 100-sheet packages.  They were all off-square, some by as much as a
sixteenth of an inch.  I ended up having to trim all 300 pieces of paper.

Anita





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 09:06
Subject: Re: Elephant Hide paper

Hi Darren,

it is called Elefantenhaut Papier, it comes in different weights and colors.
You should get it in every good craft store, where you can also buy art
supplies and paper. Elefantenhaut is not very expensive.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 09:12
Subject: Re: lizard with toes

>How many toes do lizards actually have...?<

        Most have 5; some have none.  8-D

Yes, the paper ones. :o)

Thinking about the cat without whiskers and the shrimp without antenna,
there is always something missing.
Poor origami animals! Snief!

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 10:47
Subject: Elephant Hide paper

I have a friend going to Germany in about 2 weeks and i need details
where he could pick up some Elephant Hide paper from what i've heard
this is where it's made.
What's the local name for it ?
Is it available in regular craft stores ?

Thanks in advance

Darren





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 10:57
Subject: Shrimp with antennae (was Re: lizard with toes)

At 09:12 99/09/23 +0200, you wrote:
>Thinking about the cat without whiskers and the shrimp without antenna,
>there is always something missing.
>Poor origami animals! Snief!

There's at least one shrimp model with antennae...I designed it about 5
years ago. Diagrams? Yeah, right! 8)

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 10:58
Subject: Re: the calendar

At 08:03 99/09/23 -0500, you wrote:
>-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>
>        Curiosity piqued by Rachel Katz's comment that her calendars "are
>off by
>about 1/32 of an inch," I measured the one I have and found it to be 3/32 of
>an inch off.  I was not planning to fold the pages, but that doesn't excuse
>such imprecision in the manufacture of something that should be square.
>        Whatever constitutes an error which "is acceptable for these simple
>to low
>intermediate models," folding precisely is not made easier by badly cut
>paper.
>        This principle, that close is good enough, must also guide the
>person who
>cuts the kami that OUSA sells in bulk.  I once ordered three colors of 6"
>kami in 100-sheet packages.  They were all off-square, some by as much as a
>sixteenth of an inch.  I ended up having to trim all 300 pieces of paper.

Anita, you are forgetting about regional differences in humidity which can
account for that amount of difference in the paper size.
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From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:00
Subject: [NO] Borders is a skurj

Isa wrote:

 >With 75% of what I buy, that will be the large chain because what I
>can get there is adequate.
>
>However, in the other 25% come things that are special to me.

    But if you spend $75 of every hundred at the mass merchandiser, how long
do you think Little Niche Bookstore can hang on? The so-called 'Big Box'
stores, while employing a good number of very low wage people, send your
hard-earned dollars on to corporate headquarters, not into your local
economy.
    It doesn't take an Alan Greenspan to understand why small towns quake at
the prospect of the Mal*Wart or DomeHepot coming to town. The outflow of
cash has decimated any number of small downtowns across the US, and while
some places make an effort to work with the big boys to 'complement' what
they have to offer, it is the rare village that isn't trampled by the
juggernaut of big corporate merchandising.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:05
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

Why SHOULD small business stay in business if they can't compete?  Nostalgia?
The image of the struggling peasant?  What IS IT????





From: Christina Nester <tinan@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:26
Subject: Re: Elephant Hide paper

Darren,

   in addition to what Evi told you: in Munich, you can get Elephant
Hide at a store called "Kaut Bullinger", which is very close to
Marienplatz (where a tourist would go, anyway:-) ), on the third floor,
I believe.

   Hope this helps, though I can't say anything about other cities...

        Tina

Darren Scott schrieb:
>
> I have a friend going to Germany in about 2 weeks and i need details
> where he could pick up some Elephant Hide paper from what i've heard
> this is where it's made.
> What's the local name for it ?
> Is it available in regular craft stores ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Darren





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 12:39
Subject: Re: lizard with toes

Message text written by Origami List
>I thought they had 20.
Once, I saw one with 19, which was puzzling.<

        Well, I meant 5 per foot, for a total of 20.  Some lizards can lose
and regrow toes, which may explain the 19 you saw.

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

                     Jerry D. Harris
                 Fossil Preparation Lab
          New Mexico Museum of Natural History
                   1801 Mountain Rd NW
               Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
                 Phone:  (505) 899-2809
                  Fax:  (505) 841-2866
               102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 12:56
Subject: A tale of photography

I folded a flower and stem for a photo shoot at work. (This is related
to my earlier question about whether a crease pattern is "for" or "of"
a model.) I just overheard the shoot. A professional photographer,
2 designers, and an editor spent 40 minutes setting up the background
(a seamless backdrop), adjusting the lighting, adjusting the model,
choosing the right angle, and finally photographing the model.

It never occurred to me that it would take longer to photograph the
model than it took to fold!





From: pahoover <pahoover@WANS.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:05
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 11:03 AM
Subject: [NO] Borders is a skurj

>Isa wrote:
>
> >With 75% of what I buy, that will be the large chain because what I
>>can get there is adequate.
>>
>>However, in the other 25% come things that are special to me.
>
>    But if you spend $75 of every hundred at the mass merchandiser, how
long
>do you think Little Niche Bookstore can hang on? The so-called 'Big Box'
>stores, while employing a good number of very low wage people, send your
>hard-earned dollars on to corporate headquarters, not into your local
>economy.
>    It doesn't take an Alan Greenspan to understand why small towns quake
at
>the prospect of the Mal*Wart or DomeHepot coming to town. The outflow of
>cash has decimated any number of small downtowns across the US, and while
>some places make an effort to work with the big boys to 'complement' what
>they have to offer, it is the rare village that isn't trampled by the
>juggernaut of big corporate merchandising.
>
>Scott scram@landmarknet.net
>Littleton, NH USA
>

*Gasp!* Mal*Wart and DomeHepot? They're in your town, too? I love those
stores! They are soooo convenient. I hope MathPark moves into my town too!





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:00
Subject: (NO) Re: A few questions? (about posting jpgs on the web)

In a message dated 9/22/1999 3:32:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
papajoe@CHORUS.NET writes:

> Hello.
>
>  I have a dollar fold I would like to share with everyone but before
>  I do I have a few questions that I need help with first.
>
>  1)This is a model that is based on another person's design but takes it
>      further and adapts it to a dollar. The end look is verry different.
>      Is this a new model?
>      Sample ->  (designed by A based on a model by B)

Yes, it's a new model. Crediting the previous design and designer
is polite, and expected.

>  2) The origonal designer of the base for this model is "Dokuohtei Nakano".
>      Anyone know how to get in touch with him / her?

Uh, him, but no, I don't know. Ask at OrigamiUSA, they used to keep files
on who's where. Their address is
    OrigamiUSA
    15 West 77th Street
    New York, NY 10024-5192
    USA
They might have a webpage.
Check Joseph Wu's Origami page,
    http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/
.
Oops, here it is
    http://www.origami-usa.org/
.

>  3) I have photos of the model from start to finish (JPG) but they are huge.
>      Any ideas on how to shrink to make instructions or are there any
>      Computer programs out there for diagraming?

Well, how did you create the jpgs? And what software do you have
now?

When I first got a scanner, I made the mistake of trying to use
the highest dpi resolution setting I could. Big mistake, huge
picture files. (Matter of fact, I can't scan an 8-1/2"X11" sheet
at the highest setting, the silly thing runs out of memory.
Crummy engineering. It's packaging brags about it's high
resolution, but doesn't tell you you can only use that on tiny
pictures. Phooey.)

If you're scanning them, use a lower dpi, say 150 maybe.

If you're using a digital camera, I'm not sure, but I think
there should be a choice of resolutions, use a lower resolution.

In either case, you'll have to experiment a bit to find a
jpg "quality" setting tha gives you the smallest picture file
that still has enough detail to please you.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, that jpg "quality" number
is uncalibrated, and the same quality number means different
things to different jpg-generating programs.

Since it's not standardized, the viewing programs aren't told,
and can't tell you, what "quality" a particular jpg is.

A Kodak DC265 digital camera won't even tell you what numbers
it is using, it just lets you choose between high, medium, and low
"quality", which translates to low, medium, and higher compression
(reduced file size).

If you don't have access to the scanner or camera, you may have to
find a graphics editor program that will let you open the jpg, then
Save As a smaller jpg (lower dpi resolution, or lower quality/higher
compression).

Warning: jpg uses a "lossy compression" algorithm, that loses a little
more detail every time you re-jpg, so lowering quality will give you
a worse picture than if you'd used a lower quality in the first place.

>  4) When I do get this put together any webmasters out there want this on
>       their sites?

Someone else had better answer that. The short answer is yes.

>  5) Any other things I need to consider that I may have missed?

Probably. Sorry, I can't think of anything just now.

>  Thanks for any and all help in advance.
>
>  Joe Gilardi         papajoe@chorus.net
>
>  You can respond private or to the list as you see fit, but I think others
>   may benefit if this is discussed on the list.
>
>  Ps.
>         I would like to retain rights to the model although anyone can use
it
>         for personal. If used in a publication I only request a copy.

Ideally, find a program that will let you put that statement into the jpg,
as a text label in the picture. Even so, I think the consensus is, that
you have copyright to in the design, but not to the model folded from
the design. Not exactly logical, but law isn't supposed to be logical,
or fair, or even precise, if I understand this correctly. There's been
several long discussions of copyright in origami. See the origami-l
archives (reachable thru Joseph Wu's Origami Page).

Also, have the webmaster check the TOS (Terms Of Service) of
whichever company hosts the webpage, before you display your
pictures on a webpage.

COMPUSERV, and recently Geocities, claimed copyright
on anything transmitted thru their services, and they are not alone.
It's possible that such clauses are unenforceable, but I don't want
to have to go to court about it.

>         Also if anyone would like to see a photo of the finished model
>        (jpg) just E-mail.

Oh, yes, please. Send to me at
    kenny1414@aol.com
. Thank you.

(This reply sent to origami-l and copy to papajoe@chorus.net.
Apologies for the length and any resulting inconvenience.)

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:26
Subject: Re: A tale of photography

In a message dated 9/23/99 5:02:03 PM, Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM writes:

<< I folded a flower and stem for a photo shoot at work. (This is related
to my earlier question about whether a crease pattern is "for" or "of"
a model.) I just overheard the shoot. A professional photographer,
2 designers, and an editor spent 40 minutes setting up the background
(a seamless backdrop), adjusting the lighting, adjusting the model,
choosing the right angle, and finally photographing the model.

It never occurred to me that it would take longer to photograph the
model than it took to fold! >>

This was a short shoot! I work in professional photography as a hand model,
and sometimes, three final shots a day is good work! At LEAST an hour for
shooting time, getting lighting right, that doesn't include set up, or set
building, or casting for the shoot. Photography does take more time and is a
lot slower than origami! But, like origami it's a skill of patience. That's
why I love it. Since I teach origami too, I dream of being hired for a photo
shoot for an origami book. I'm throwing that out there in case anyone needs a
hand model to hold models.
Best wishes, Kelly





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:49
Subject: Re: Borders & other bookstores

One of my Dad's favourite sayings is: "Good wine doesn't need any
advertisement", meaning people will find out where to get it anyway.
If I have the choice, I will favour the place where I get the best service.
Rob is right when he says "you vote with your dollars". That's the
principle of Fairness Shops, and I still see them in business even though
their products are a bit more expensive than the same at the supermarket.
Actually, supermarkets are beginning to sell 'fairness' products too...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Maxim Candries <Maxim.Candries@NCL.AC.UK>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:50
Subject: Re: lizard with toes

I thought they had 20.
Once, I saw one with 19, which was puzzling.

Are there diagrams of lizards on the web?

Maxim

"Jerry D. Harris" wrote:

> Message text written by Origami List
> >How many toes do lizards actually have...?<
>
>         Most have 5; some have none.  8-D
>
>                 _,_
>            ____/_\,)                    ..  _
> --____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
>            /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
> __________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________
>
>                      Jerry D. Harris
>                  Fossil Preparation Lab
>           New Mexico Museum of Natural History
>                    1801 Mountain Rd NW
>                Albuquerque  NM  87104-1375
>                  Phone:  (505) 899-2809
>                   Fax:  (505) 841-2866
>                102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Lory <lory@NETSIS.IT>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:40
Subject: Re: Elephant Hide paper

Darren Scott wrote:
>
> I have a friend going to Germany in about 2 weeks and i need details
> where he could pick up some Elephant Hide paper from what i've heard
> this is where it's made.

What kind of paper is Elephant Hide paper?
Thanks a lot,
Lorenzo

 ----------------------------------------
   Lorenzo Lucioni       lory@netsis.it
   Parma, Italy             ICQ: 397363





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 08:49
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

If the independents advertise and have good customer service, then they will
enjoy a reputation in an area which a Borders can't overcome.  Remember,
these independent stores were around BEFORE Borders.  Where were the
customers then?

Rob





From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:28
Subject: Folding Sunday

Hello!

Mark Kennedy wrote:

>We will have a special "sharing table" set aside for display of >models to
>teach, models to show, books, publications, and paper >contributions.

I think that the "sharing table" sounds like a super idea and I am looking
forward to it.

Marcia Joy Miller

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 11:32
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

The customers were probably looking for sources that weren't so expensive,
had better selections, were more organized ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Hudson [mailto:FashFold@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 5:50 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge
>
>
> If the independents advertise and have good customer service,
> then they will
> enjoy a reputation in an area which a Borders can't overcome.
>  Remember,
> these independent stores were around BEFORE Borders.  Where were the
> customers then?
>
> Rob





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 12:29
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





From: Betty Hull <hull@WWICS.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 12:33
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

Was this Wal-Mart? We are battling to keep WM out
of our town.

Betty Hull

----------
> From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: True story re: big biz [NO]
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:09 PM
>
> -- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>
>         A woman I know owned a pharmacy with her husband, in a small town
in a
> neighboring county (mid-state NY).  She is a canny businesswoman, with a
> gift for stocking what her customers wanted.  The business thrived; she
and
> her husband built a beautiful home with a gorgeous view of the mountains.
>         A big chain drugstore (the name is withheld to protect the
guilty) selected
> her town in which to open one of their stores.  Whether the threat was
tacit
> or spoken I do not know, but the choices were clear:
> 1) Sell out to the biggie.
> 2) Persist in owning their drugstore and be driven out of business in 6
> months.
>         No dummy she, this woman and her husband sold their life's work
to the
> chain.  Now, tell me how this is democracy or fair market capitalism in
> action.
>
> Anita F. Barbour





From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:02
Subject: Re: Borders & other bookstores

Here's my two centavos.

I like *looking* at origami books before I decide to buy them.  My local
bookshops and libraries are of NO help.  They have nothing on their
shelves.  Sure, my bookshop will order any book I want...as long as I
pre-pay for it.

You walk into Borders or Barnes and Noble, and they will have 10, maybe
even 20 origami titles right on the shelves.  They are providing shelf
space for the books I want to buy. They *earn* my business.

Look, if you guys know of smaller bookstores that would appeal to
paperfolders, why don't you publicize them in this forum?  I've made
special trips to places like Sasuga in Cambridge, MA, and I'm sure others
would be willing to do the same.

Rob





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:27
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

>What's wrong with a little consistency in appearance?  Everything evolves.
>Get with the times.  Warehouse is today's style.  Why would i break the bank
>buying a single special book when I can get it for a reasonable cost, get a
>magazine and a coffee to boot, and ALL IN THE SAME DAY!

So now you've just argued in favor of a monopoly.  The last time I checked
there was a reason why monopolies are illegal.  To reply to "where were the
customers then?" imagine this simple situation:

John Doe sees ind. bkstr A and says "hey, I want to read that Tom Clancy
book I'll go buy it".  He reads it, a few months pass and he now wants to
read that new John Grisham book.  He says "geez I don't know where that
store A was, but what if they don't have it, how inconvenient that would
be, I bet Borders will have it."  When of course store A has it.  But how
many people think it would be more convenient to go into a store that they
feel would have the book even if they knew store A was a great store?

Now to answer the other email with the 'struggling peasant': if you buy a
book from that store A, they in turn go to the grocery store etc. and buy
with that money, that is the money returns back to the community.  But now
what happens to the money you shell out in Borders, most of it is not going
into the grocery store, etc.  Actually let's change that grocery store into
a local cafe, and let's say Starbucks runs it out of business.  Now you
have a small percentage of your money will go back to the city, or so you
think, it goes into Starbucks and more of it vanishes.  Now keep taking
different stores, rest., etc. and replace with superstores.  What happens
to our money?  It's no longer in town.

Now for breaking the bank to buy a special book: they're the same price at
Borders and store A, duh!  They're even going to buy it from the same
publisher.  You get that magazine and coffee to boot, but I can tell you
that I've been to local cafe's that would give you more for your buck,
they'll make the latte's right and have enough in a tall glass to keep you
up all night for 2/3 the price of a rinky dink Starbucks that might not
even be made correctly.  Same goes for the other beverages.

When Borders, Starbucks, etc. is the only game in town can you guarantee
quality service when they know you're only other choice is to special order
it from amazon.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:35
Subject: Re: Borders & other bookstores

To Rob Moes:

What happens when you run out of books in stock at Borders and B&N?  I've
been down that road it will happen and sooner than you might think.  Will
you start ordering there or at the indepedent bookstore?

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:37
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

>Great-- she and her husband could retire and enjoy convenient shopping.  What
>more do you want???  Give me the buyout!!!!
>
>Rob
>York, PA.. soon home of the world's largest Wal-mart (no joke!)

You mean retire and starve, right?  Or maybe insult could be added to
injury and they could work as employees at the new store.  That's really
improving our way of life, isn't it?

David





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:04
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

> If the independents advertise and have good customer service, then they
will
> enjoy a reputation in an area which a Borders can't overcome.  Remember,
> these independent stores were around BEFORE Borders.  Where were the
> customers then?
>
> Rob

Have you any idea how much moolah it would take to out-advertize any
individual Borders? And most of their advertizing comes from the fame of
their national chain. To claim that any idividual business at the family
level (unless its the Rockefeller family) can compete with that kind of
clout is facile. It is also a question of what kind of work environment one
wants to foster. If everybody were to be employed by mega-corporations, then
we would be headed toward a realization of Orwell's nightmare. Priority in
time has no sway against powerful advertizing, and besides; that's why one
of the goals of adertizing and big business is to fracture the family
structure, so that they have a greater number of consumers, with no unified
set of expectations. Why do you think that advertizing toward children is
such a touchstone issue in society? All the "values" that a family might
represent in their expectations fall to whatever shiny object most mollifies
the kiddies. All the best - c!!!!





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:09
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

> Great-- she and her husband could retire and enjoy convenient shopping.
What
> more do you want???  Give me the buyout!!!!
>
> Rob
> York, PA.. soon home of the world's largest Wal-mart (no joke!)

Yeah, I think I'll go plug in my poetry machine and get some neat rhymes,
too. When everything becomes MacDonalds, then there is no longer a
benchmark, and as with all capitalist enterprises, that means that quality,
convenience, etc... cease to become of importance. Everything in our culture
will be fast-food "stuff". All the best again - c!!!





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 14:38
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

>Why SHOULD small business stay in business if they can't compete?

    So every town doesn't look like every other town, with it's strip of
fast food outlets, mega-video stores, and
747-hangar-sized-discount-cut-rate-second-quality department stores.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:09
Subject: True story re: big biz [NO]

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

        A woman I know owned a pharmacy with her husband, in a small town in a
neighboring county (mid-state NY).  She is a canny businesswoman, with a
gift for stocking what her customers wanted.  The business thrived; she and
her husband built a beautiful home with a gorgeous view of the mountains.
        A big chain drugstore (the name is withheld to protect the guilty)
     selected
her town in which to open one of their stores.  Whether the threat was tacit
or spoken I do not know, but the choices were clear:
1) Sell out to the biggie.
2) Persist in owning their drugstore and be driven out of business in 6
months.
        No dummy she, this woman and her husband sold their life's work to the
chain.  Now, tell me how this is democracy or fair market capitalism in
action.

Anita F. Barbour





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:22
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

>Have I?  The only thing that I've said is that the "warehouse" style of shop
>is very much in fashion now, just like the "diner look" was the way to go in
>restaurants at one time.  How is that arguing in favor of a monopoly?  I've
>also seen the "artificial country look" mass produced and dashed out in
>quantity, aka your "mom and pop" operations.

The "diner look" is not the same thing.  Barnes and Nobles owns the largest
publishing press in the country.  If the other booksellers are driven out
of business an oligarchy will form with Barnes and Nobles at the top tailed
by Borders.
>
>>eel would have the book even if they knew store A was a great store?
>
>Define "great store"?  To me, great store is economical, convenient and
>imbued with a large selection.

I shouldn't have said great store when I meant good store.  A store you
like to shop at.  However you define it or my neighbor defines it,
whatever.

>Your first fallacy is assuming that the local shops make the majority of the
>money in a community, and that local shop employees comprise the entire
>spending capital of the community.  This leads to a false conclusion.

No that fallacy is not present.  I'm taking the bookstore as a case and
then taking the limit as the same process happens to other commerce, read
it again the argument is clear.

>Second, you automatically assume that the chain store quality is always
>second-rate, which is extremely subjective and highly debatable.  A "small
>mom& pop" shop MIGHT be better than a chain, but who says they have the time
>or the resources to contribute a higher quality product?

Yes you're right that is subjective and debatable and only sometimes true.
There again you mention a higher quality product but they're sailing the
same product for the same price.

>The buying power of Borders and B&N gives them the ability to provide higher
>quality services, and in some cases, attract better authors and performers to
>their retail outlets.  When was the last time you saw Tom Clancy signing his
>novels at "Ye Old Book Den"?

Kim Stanley Robinson (author of Blue Mars, etc.) bestselling author signs
her books at Avid Reader.  In a small town in the Bay Area there is a
Borders and a local bookstore that has autographed copies of many
bestselling authors that overwhelms the few that Borders has (I have a
friend who lives there and has stacks of autographed books) it's actually
common for authors to autograph books in the independent bookstores rather
than the megastores.

>The only thing that would make Borders and B&N better would be to sell
>alcohol.
>
>We need a chain store called "Brewery Books"
>
>Rob
>

I like that.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:25
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

>Come on, now. Even individuality is cloned and trended.  Look at the "goth"
>scene, the "piercing scene" and all manner of canned rebellion.  Try to be an
>individual.  I dare ya.
>

You could look at Yoshizawa, who would immitate him?  I have a friend who
does only math and that consumes his life.  It's not because he thinks it's
cool or wants to be like somebody else, it's because he really likes it,
and in my eyes that makes him unique even if other people are math freaks
like him.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:26
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a scorge

>Geez? I thought Borders advertised itself. I never see radio spots and very
>few newspaper ads.  Borders advertises by REPUTATION, primarily, I would
>argue.  Drive by a Borders that's open till 11pm every weeknight, then drive
>by the competing "Bob's Bargain Books"-- whoah! Wouldja look at that? Bob's
>only open Tuesdays and Thursdays, from 10am to 3pm.  Well, doesn't fit my
>work schedule...

Actually the Avid Reader is open to 11 and Sweet Briars till 10.  I see
what you mean though since regular business hours for most stores are 9-5.

David





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:35
Subject: Re: [NO] Borders is a skurj

What's wrong with a little consistency in appearance?  Everything evolves.
Get with the times.  Warehouse is today's style.  Why would i break the bank
buying a single special book when I can get it for a reasonable cost, get a
magazine and a coffee to boot, and ALL IN THE SAME DAY!





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:51
Subject:

i am 18.

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:54
Subject: dream origami

I had a strange dream.  I was folding the devil from Viva Origami (a book
that I don't have, and I haven't folded the devil before) and when I
finished it, it clawed up my face and ran away!  So watch out when you fold
devils.

Something else: favorite triceratops?

Mine is Kawahata's.  But the question I want to know is what other
triceratops models are there?  I only know of three: Kawahata, Montroll and
Harris.  But triceratops are so much fun to fold that there have to be
more, can somebody please tell me about other triceratops models?

David





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Sep 1999 16:10
Subject: Re: True story re: big biz [NO]

Great-- she and her husband could retire and enjoy convenient shopping.  What
more do you want???  Give me the buyout!!!!

Rob
York, PA.. soon home of the world's largest Wal-mart (no joke!)
