




From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 00:44
Subject: Copyright Free Inspiration

The public domain offers an embarassment of riches to the origami
artist.  Who needs Disney and George Lucas when there is Mother Goose,
Hans Christian Andersen, the Brothers Grimm, and Greek and Roman
mythology.  Surely a well designed origami cast of characters from Alice
in Wonderland would be a best seller!

What about museum origami...Venus de Milo, Winged Victory, The Thinker,
Mona Lisa and Whistler's Mother, which Fred Rohm tried his hand at.

We need artists to design an origami orchestra, origami vehicles, such
as cars, trains, planes, rickshaws, unicycles, bicycles, tricycles;
What about a famous building series featuring the Empire State, the Taj
Mahal, the Eiffel Tower and different building types such as movie
theaters and skyscrapers?  And how about some enterprising artist
designing a fully furnished doll house?

Dorothy





From: Roxy <promousa@WTP.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 00:44
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami

Who do I send an email to get off this list. I have sent four unsubscribe
and still am gettting it. Just not enough time to read the wonderful chats
you folks have. Thanks for your help. Roxy

At 05:43 PM 9/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Because Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy were set to enter the public
>domain in 2003, Disney may have had a hand in passing the Sonny Bono
>Copyright Extension Act of 1998, which extends copyright protection from
>50 years after an author's death to 70 years:
>
>http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17327.html
>
>I am very grateful that a federal lawsuit is seeking to overturn the
>extension. Alot of independent artists are being adversely affected by
>this Act. The copyrights of two songs in Folding California, which were
>due to expire shortly, must now be licensed for an additional 20 years.
>
>As the article points out..."there needs to be a balance between
>financially encouraging artists to create and having works become
>available to the public domain for widespread use, free from
>restrictions."
>
>Dorothy





From: Yurii and Katrin Shumakovs <origami@AAANET.RU>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:53
Subject: origami cowboy/western?

Hi all,

We have a question in our mboard
< http://library.advanced.org/27152/gather/board/mboard.html >

>I am looking for cowboy, cowboy hat and boot directions for origami.  I am
>having a party and would like to use them for decoration.
>Thank you for any help that you can provide.
>Linda Moses

But, unfortunately, we did not meet origami on this theme.

Can somebody help this query?

ThinkQuest Team 27152

TRAVEL TO ORILAND (USA)
http://library.advanced.org/27152
27152@thinkquest.org





From: Isa Miller <-isa-@EXCITE.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:47
Subject: Re: NO: WebTV & Plug-ins

On         Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:33:35 -0400, Valerie Vann wrote:

> Sounds to me like Dorothy and all the rest of the cable-type =
>
> Internet users need to get on their vendors' case and threaten
> to go elsewhere for their Internet provider if they don't get
> a software update ASAP so that can at least open PDF documents, even
> if they can't print them.

It's not a matter of the vendors software, it's a matter of the comany who
owns Acrobat (Adobe) marketing a version that works with WebTV. Since WebTV
viewers are currently only about 3-4% of the viewers, I can't imagine that
this is a high priority for them.

People that I know personally who have WebTV love it. However, a relative of
mine picked up a 386 machine at a garage sale a few days ago for the
whopping price of $20.  Granted he's not going anyplace very fast, but he
does have full access to the web for his $20 and an internet connection. A
much, much better arrangement in my opinion.

NetZero is a fairly decent free connection provider (www.netzero.com)in the
US. They display advertisements on your desktop while you browse, but hey, I
can put up with that for a savings of $14.95 a month. Still, if anyone has a
WinHider program that works with NetZero, I'd be grateful for a copy!

Isa

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From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 03:16
Subject: Re: A4 vs US Letter

I guess I'm taking this off onto a new tangent, but what size (in Pixels) do
people prefer the diagrams?

I find that I have more problems due to dpi resolution, rather than the
paper proportions themselves.  The printed size of a diagram is dependent on
the pixel size of the file, and the dots per inch (or centimeter, or
whatever) setting of the program printing it, right?

 Many times I have to save a file, and then go into a different graphics
program to shrink the dpi in order to get it to fit on a page. (Netscape
Navigator seems to lack a "shrink to fit" print option.) Some diagrams are
huge, almost 2000 pixels wide, which was three times wider than my screen
(at the time set at 640x480).  I started wondering why these people were
using such huge files, until I realised that they scanned in a paper at 200
dpi.  Changing the dpi setting in a graphics program can adjust the printing
size (in inches) without actually changing the file size (in pixels) at all.

Currently, I tend to save all my diagrams at about 800x1000 pixels, since
that's what looks best to me  (screen resolution at 800x600, and it prints
on an 8.5x11 paper with okay margins)

   I guess I don't want to force people to have to resize my diagrams before
they can print it, so what is (or should be)  the best size?  I hate to
shrink everything down to 600 pixels, since to me, it seems like a lot of
wasted space (especially to a 1024xWhatever screen).

Phil "(Boy, I like parantheses!)" Schulz

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
 Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 03:51
Subject: Re: A4 vs US Letter

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>   I guess I don't want to force people to have to resize my diagrams before
>they can print it, so what is (or should be)  the best size?  I hate to
>shrink everything down to 600 pixels, since to me, it seems like a lot of
>wasted space (especially to a 1024xWhatever screen).

This is exactly the problem I'm running into all the time with my own
diagrams. I use a low resolution at home, and a very high resolution at work.
At home my diagrams are too big. And I have to scroll left and right (plus up
and down, which isn't so much of a problem). And at work they're tiny specks
(well I'm slightly exaggeratttting...).

One solution that I've considered is to check for the user's screen resolution
and display different diagrams for different resolutions. But that's too much
work for a lazy guy like me.

The other solution is to make the diagrams so small that they'll even look OK
on a 320x240 screen resolution. But then they'll be VERY small on a higher
screen resolution.

The third solution is to put each step into a separate image, and display them
one below the other. This would allow me to make each separate step quite
large. Then I'd have to provide yet another, complete version for downloads,
probably in PDF and GIF format.

Aww. Life ain't easy.

Matthias





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 07:53
Subject: Re: Folding by Touch

Actually not. My residency and marriage did not interfere with this. In fact
I did fully develop it but never found much interest (at that time) from
physical therapists and hand surgeons to do a well designed scientific study
on the benefits of origami over traditional therapies. There is a link to a
paper I wrote at Fascinating Folds (www.fascinating-folds.com) but I tried
this link today and it is not functioning (hopefully just a server problem).

And to correct Mark, there are not seven wrist movements but five important
finger and hand functions which origami seems ideal to work on (using the
Paavlovian concept of repeated activity earns a reward).

Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
301 University Blvd
E-91
Galveston, TX  77555

e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu
phone: 409-772-1221

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kennedy, Mark [mailto:KennedyM@DNB.COM]
Sent: September 13, 1999 4:40 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Folding by Touch

Dr. Ron Levy was discussing the idea of using Origami as part of physical
therapy. This goes back to the mid-80s so my memory is not entirely sure -
but there were seven wrist actions that exercised during therapy. Ron was
trying to figure away to incorporate folding modulars or other models to
accomplish these tasks and do something useful at the same time. I suspect
his residency program and marriage interferred with fully developing this
program.





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:09
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

>I suppose the invention of the wheel was such a 'simple variation': The old
>method for moving heavy objects was to use a large number of round logs on
>which you placed the heavy object.
>Then someone had the idea to cut the log into slices and fix those slices
to a
>cart, and load the heavy object on the cart. Quite simple, really, but it
made
>a world of a difference. And it saved a few trees, too :-).

Well - actually no. Wheels are virtually useless by themselves. It's the
invention of the axle that's crucial. And that's a perfect example of a
giant leap of intuition!

DM (also into compression now!)





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:13
Subject: 12-Piece Omega Star

I wrote:
>>. . . (in particular, [Robert Neale] invented a 12-piece version
>> of the 12-pointed Omega Star);. . .

to which Dave Mitchell replied:
> Uh oh! In about 1989 I discovered the twelve-piece version for myself. I've
> always been particularly proud of it and just diagrammed it for a new book.
> Should have known Bob would have got there first ....

Alas, I may have antedated you as well, since I discovered it in 1988 or before
(unfortunately, I was not a meticulous record-keeper in those days, but I have
some papers dated 1988 that indicate I had already done this model). However,
I'd urge you not to be too depressed -- IMHO, if you found the model on your
own, then you have a perfect right to claim it as "yours" (just as Bob and I
have a similar right); the only thing you and I can't do is claim we
"originated"
it. As such, I don't see why you can't publish it, or do anything else you
like.

BTW, did you go on to explore larger numbers of points (24? 30? 60? 90?)? And,
considering that Shen's star can be understood as Neale's ornament with each
module getting a single sink, have you wondered what might happen with a double
sink?

Mike Naughton





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 09:57
Subject: Re: Copyright Free Inspiration

Dorothy offered:

>What about museum origami...Venus de Milo, Winged Victory, The Thinker,
>Mona Lisa and Whistler's Mother, which Fred Rohm tried his hand at.

I have a first attempt of Kawahata's Pegasus that could pass for the horse
in Picasso's "Guernica"

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:19
Subject: Re: Folding by Touch

Specifically it would be more related to OT (Occupational Therapy)
rather than PT (physical therapy) at least in US. PT could play
different role in different country. In States therapy is heavily
managed by insurance company. Origami as formal therapy might
still have long way to go.

We do have PT's on the list. They may give more detail. I would
pass this to my wife, a full-time PT, to see what she can offer.

Sy Chen

--- Original Message ---
"Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU> Wrote on
        Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:52:37 -0500
 ------------------
Actually not. My residency and marriage did not interfere with
this. In fact
I did fully develop it but never found much interest (at that
time) from
physical therapists and hand surgeons to do a well designed scientific
study
on the benefits of origami over traditional therapies. There
is a link to a
paper I wrote at Fascinating Folds (www.fascinating-folds.com)
but I tried
this link today and it is not functioning (hopefully just a server
problem).

And to correct Mark, there are not seven wrist movements but
five important
finger and hand functions which origami seems ideal to work on
(using the
Paavlovian concept of repeated activity earns a reward).

Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
301 University Blvd
E-91
Galveston, TX  77555

e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu
phone: 409-772-1221

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kennedy, Mark [mailto:KennedyM@DNB.COM]
Sent: September 13, 1999 4:40 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Folding by Touch

Dr. Ron Levy was discussing the idea of using Origami as part
of physical
therapy. This goes back to the mid-80s so my memory is not entirely
sure -
but there were seven wrist actions that exercised during therapy.
Ron was
trying to figure away to incorporate folding modulars or other
models to
accomplish these tasks and do something useful at the same time.
I suspect
his residency program and marriage interferred with fully developing
this
program.

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From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:27
Subject: Re: Folding by Touch

The site is working again. Here is the exact reference to my paper.

http://www.fascinating-folds.com/origamiland/handrehab.html

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Levy, Ronald S. [mailto:rslevy@UTMB.EDU]
Sent: September 14, 1999 6:53 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Folding by Touch

Actually not. My residency and marriage did not interfere with this. In fact
I did fully develop it but never found much interest (at that time) from
physical therapists and hand surgeons to do a well designed scientific study
on the benefits of origami over traditional therapies. There is a link to a
paper I wrote at Fascinating Folds (www.fascinating-folds.com) but I tried
this link today and it is not functioning (hopefully just a server problem).

And to correct Mark, there are not seven wrist movements but five important
finger and hand functions which origami seems ideal to work on (using the
Paavlovian concept of repeated activity earns a reward).

Ronald S. Levy, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
301 University Blvd
E-91
Galveston, TX  77555

e-mail: rslevy@utmb.edu
phone: 409-772-1221





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:38
Subject: Re: Pixel (was     Re: A4 vs US Letter)

I beleive the dominant screen is still 640x480 (correct me if
I am wrong). My suggestion is go under 600 pixels. Regular browser
can see it without scrolling. If the main use is diagram printing.
I would go for 800 pixels.

It would be even better for diagram creator to create it using
vector based application. It can generate gif format file in
what ever resolution you want.

--- Original Message ---
Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> Wrote on
        Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:50:00 +0200
 ------------------
>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
=====
>   I guess I don't want to force people to have to resize my
diagrams before
>they can print it, so what is (or should be)  the best size?
 I hate to
>shrink everything down to 600 pixels, since to me, it seems
like a lot of
>wasted space (especially to a 1024xWhatever screen).

This is exactly the problem I'm running into all the time with
my own
diagrams. I use a low resolution at home, and a very high resolution
at work.
At home my diagrams are too big. And I have to scroll left and
right (plus up
and down, which isn't so much of a problem). And at work they're
tiny specks
(well I'm slightly exaggeratttting...).

One solution that I've considered is to check for the user's
screen resolution
and display different diagrams for different resolutions. But
that's too much
work for a lazy guy like me.

The other solution is to make the diagrams so small that they'll
even look OK
on a 320x240 screen resolution. But then they'll be VERY small
on a higher
screen resolution.

The third solution is to put each step into a separate image,
and display them
one below the other. This would allow me to make each separate
step quite
large. Then I'd have to provide yet another, complete version
for downloads,
probably in PDF and GIF format.

Aww. Life ain't easy.

Matthias

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 15:15
Subject: (NO) Re: Pixel and a survey

sychen@EROLS.COM wrote:
> I beleive the dominant screen is still 640x480 (correct me if
Well, that's what I use at home too. But one guy told me today's
"standard" is 800x600. And someone else said the standard that everybody
uses is 1024x768.

I'd really be interested to hear what screen resolution the people on
this mailing list prefer. Please tell me via PRIVATE e-mail ->
tanjit@bboxbbs.ch and I'll compile a nice little list with percentages
and all that (provided that I get more than 2 answers, that is...). If
you don't know your screen resolution still tell me, so I can include it
in my list.

REMEMBER: Send the answer to the survey to my PRIVATE address
tanjit@bboxbbs.ch, or I'll get a spanking for generating too much
off-line traffic :-)

> It would be even better for diagram creator to create it using
> vector based application. It can generate gif format file in
> what ever resolution you want.
Well yes, that's how I DRAW my diagrams. But I still have the problem of
deciding what size the gif should be for the internet... and as I said
before, I'm too lazy to provide different sizes and write the code to
detect the user's screen resolution etc. etc.

All the best,
Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 15:15
Subject: Re: Copyright Free Inspiration

Scott Cramer wrote:
> I have a first attempt of Kawahata's Pegasus
> that could pass for the horse in Picasso's "Guernica"
LOL! "crumple-gami" as an art form!

Matthias





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:19
Subject: Music to Fold By

I was digging through the archives and came across an old discussion on
"music to fold by".  What are your favorite CD's/vinyl to play while you
fold?  Alone, in groups?

When I first started folding at a regional group, deg Farrelly had some great
stuff-- unfortunately I was too concerned about digging through his book
collection to really notice the tunes in the background.

Thought this would be a nice break from the copyright discussion.

Rob





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:34
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

Rob wrote:

>I was digging through the archives and came across an old discussion on
>"music to fold by".  What are your favorite CD's/vinyl to play while you
>fold?
>Thought this would be a nice break from the copyright discussion

I enjoy any music from Disney cartoons, the Batman TV music, and the Pokemon
theme song.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:40
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

Scott Cramer wrote:
> I enjoy any music from Disney cartoons, the Batman TV music, and the Pokemon
> theme song.

Where can I download the mp3 for those tunes????

Matthias





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 17:03
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>

> I was digging through the archives and came across an old discussion on
> "music to fold by".  What are your favorite CD's/vinyl to play while you
> fold?  Alone, in groups?

Chopin--Opus 25, etude #10, or anything from opus 10 or opus 25. Also, good
proto punk from the mid-late 70's, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington, any
blues. Lou Reed.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Monica L Jones <mony1@JUNO.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 17:13
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami (long)

I've been a Disney fan forever and for the last 2 years my husband has
worked for Disney (running computers, not drawing), so I have some idea
of how this works.  This will probably be long, but try to bear with me.

>From: Kimberly Crane
>This is not just a threat against origamists. All other crafts that I
have been involved in and others I have not ....  The >character artist
arm is long and their pocket books thick, so if such origami character
models are developed, please >do it discreetly!

My understanding has always been that you can draw, fold, paint or
whatever character you want as long as it's for you own use.  Disney
sells books that give detailed directions on how to draw all (or at least
most) of the characters.  If I want to draw Mickey and paint him on a
shirt, no problem.  If I want to do 100 shirts and sell them at craft
fairs, no way!  You also can't draw you own versions of Mickey, et al and
use them on the outside of your "Cartoonland Preschool".  See Doug's
message below for part of the reason.

>From: Doug Philips
>But there may be something else at work here too. What is being asked of
the artists (and their marketing and >merchandising machines, some of
considerable size) is to distribute diagrams. And what are diagrams but
>instructions for making likenesses of their work. Think of the
possibilities (from their point of view), hordes of folders >able to make
an image, unlicensed, unreviewed, of unchecked quality, for purposes
potentially commercial, (or in the >case of a poorly executed model,
detrimental to the art and its merchandisability) and no doubt in direct
competition >with their own merchandising enterprises.  Whther that would
actually happen or not is irrelevant. It _could_ happen. >Its like giving
a mint or toy factory a mold and saying "Go ahead, make the images, do
what you will" (or I could >imagine a laywer making that analogy).

It's also like giving them a license to print money, with more money
being made from very popular characters.

>I would guess that the likelihood of getting permission is directly
related to how far past the laywers you can get, to >the people (say
George Lucas himself, for example) who would understand the nature of the
request and be more >likely to grant it. If you just "talk" to the wall
of laywers, you'll probably get a cookie cutter rejection letter.

Not necessarily!  Lucas might allow it, but he has almost as big a
licensing interest in his characters as Disney does in their's.
Character licensing is very profitable for lots of companies, Disney just
seems to be the biggest.  They are also very protective of the image of
the characters and how they are drawn, printed, etc.  The quality control
is quite strict about things like the angle of Mickey's ears and so
forth.  They are also careful about the nature of the actual product-my
husband likes to say "you'll never see Mickey mouse on thong underwear!"

>From: Kimberly Shuck
>I would agree with Doug. I think that George would allow such a thing if
it were not a profit making venture. In fact, I >think he'd be rather
tickled. It's not often the creative folk that are involved with all of
the negativity... mostly the legal >folk. Disney is a totally different
issue. They seem cranky all the way up the ladder (judging from
experiences of >friends who worked for Touchstone).

Again, you may be right, but you also say NOT FOR PROFIT!  There's no
real difference in what you assume to be his position and the position
I've seen several origami model designers take here!  The other thing I
seem to remember having been told at one time is that copyrights HAVE to
be vigorously defended for them to be any good.  My impression, which
could be wrong (any lawyers out there to clarify?), is that if Disney
were to let someone use their copyrighted characters free of charge to
make any kind of profit, it would be harder for them to stop anyone else
from using them without paying!

> From: Dorothy Engleman
> Because Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy were set to enter the
public
> domain in 2003, Disney may have had a hand in passing the Sonny Bono
> Copyright Extension Act of 1998, which extends copyright protection
from
> 50 years after an author's death to 70 years....

This is now a mute point.  Recently, Congress passed a special law giving
Disney a perpetual copyright on Mickey Mouse.  I don't think it extends
to Donald and Goofy (they aren't the "cultural icon" that Mickey
is-Congress's words, not mine), but it may.

I guess my biggest question is why do people seem to think that any
creator/owner of a character should let others make money with it without
having to pay royalties?   There seems to be some (lots of?) disagreement
on this list about whether origami models should be able to be sold by
people without the payment of royalties.  Isn't it the same kind of
thing??

Disney's a huge company, but a lot of times you see the statement that it
all started with a mouse.  If Disney hadn't had an enforceable copyright
on Mickey, there were lots of times that the company would have gone
under.  Lucas has a somewhat smaller company, but the latest Star Wars
movie was apparently made using only the money he got for licensing the
characters.  Since he chooses to finance his movies with only his own
money, the licensing money would seem to be essential (all of those
computer effects are VERY expensive to produce).

For myself, I can't design origami yet, so I'll keep making Disney things
for myself that I want but can't buy (like the Mickey and Donald hand car
for my HO train set).  I will not sell them to others, but if I ever run
into a Disney marketing person I'll have a few suggestions!  Maybe I am a
bit biased, since money from Disney just bought my new house, but I'm
using the same rules I've known since high school art class when my
boyfriend liked Snoopy and I painted one on a sweatshirt for myself
because I couldn't buy one.

Monica Jones

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From: origami <origami@CHOCOLATE.CUSTARD.ORG>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 17:28
Subject: Fw: Origami Shirt and Tie

Can anyone help?
I am assuming it's folded from one piece of paper??

Emmajg*
----- Original Message -----
From: <TBakerAKF@aol.com>
To: <emmajg@custard.org>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:05 PM
Subject: Origami Shirt and Tie

> Hope you can help Emma, I was in Sweden last year and in a bar with a
couple
> of mates and got talking to a bloke and during the evening he made a
> brilliant shirt and tie out of a Swedish Banknote.  He did it so
beautifully
> but he only made one and I didn't get it.  I found a couple of shirts
> (without a tie) on some of your links but no others with a tie.
>
> Got any ideas??
>
> Tony Baker
> Bristol





From: =?iso-8859-1?B?zejt4CDO8fLw8+0=?= <gavs-413@MTU-NET.RU>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 18:02
Subject: Origami Museum in Moscow

Hello all...
This year International Origami Museum is organized in Moscow.
Origami Museum is:
1) Collection of models, paper, books, foto and video materials, etc.
2) Origami exhibitions every season.
3) Origami classes.
4) Traveling exhibition.
5) Origami people :-))
.......................
.......................
I ask everybody who interested in such idea to answer me. My adderess is
gavs-413@mtu-net.ru.
Nina Ostrun.





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 18:48
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami

At 05:26 PM 99-09-13 -0400, you wrote:
. IS there a TARDIS model out there?
>
>Mark

If there is, I would like to know about also!  Surely, there is no
copyright on a blue police box?

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 19:19
Subject: Re: Copyright Free Inspiration

A wonderful idea!  I would love a book with themes like this.

        Cathy

At 09:41 PM 99-09-13 -0700, you wrote:
>The public domain offers an embarassment of riches to the origami
>artist.  Who needs Disney and George Lucas when there is Mother Goose,
>Hans Christian Andersen, the Brothers Grimm, and Greek and Roman
>mythology.  Surely a well designed origami cast of characters from Alice
>in Wonderland would be a best seller!
>
>What about museum origami...Venus de Milo, Winged Victory, The Thinker,
>Mona Lisa and Whistler's Mother, which Fred Rohm tried his hand at.
>
>We need artists to design an origami orchestra, origami vehicles, such
>as cars, trains, planes, rickshaws, unicycles, bicycles, tricycles;
>What about a famous building series featuring the Empire State, the Taj
>Mahal, the Eiffel Tower and different building types such as movie
>theaters and skyscrapers?  And how about some enterprising artist
>designing a fully furnished doll house?
>
>Dorothy
>
>
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 20:30
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami

In many back numbers of the Nippon Origami Association's magazine I recall
numerous diagrams for cartoon characters, including Mickey and mini, ET, and
many of the Sanrio & other Japanese cartoons (Keroppi, the frog, for
example).  I wouldn't be surprised if more recent editions had the Pokemon
figures.

How do they get over the copyright - are the laws different in Japan?

As for disastrous lessons - I have given up offering adult education classes
as they never got enough numbers even to start!!
By the way, for those of you facing an oncoming winter....SPRING IS HERE
;-)

Clare





From: bill hirsh <bhirsh@AUSTIN.RR.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1999 22:10
Subject: dose any know how to fold pokemon out of paper

hi i wanna fold pokemon out of paper dont know how i am origami newbie plus i
     going to make the pokemon factory it lets you make you ow pokemon and play
     the game with you new pokemon i might add origami template to it





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 00:22
Subject: Re: langs spendyourmoney

Has anyone been able to get the lang pokemon?
I can't find it on the server in the netherlands, and would quite like
to see it.

Perry
--
"Each time he shifted gears he did it as if the Moment of Truth
had arrived in a bullfight"
H. Allen Smith "The Pig in the Barber Shop"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 00:36
Subject: Notoriously slow?

> Marc Kirschenbaum writes:
>
        <<.... (David Shall is a notoriously s-l-o-w teacher).  >>

        Notorious?!

        How about:  patient, careful, gentle, and kind?

        deg farrelly
        deg@asu.edu





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 01:49
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

In a message dated 9/14/99 9:04:07 PM, Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes:

<< > I was digging through the archives and came across an old discussion on
> "music to fold by".  What are your favorite CD's/vinyl to play while you
> fold?  Alone, in groups?
 >>

Environmental recordings of animals and rain storms, tropical jungles.
Kelly





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 04:16
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami

Its probably only copyrighted if the inside is bigger than the
outside.......

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy [mailto:cathypl@GENERATION.NET]
Sent: 14 September 1999 23:48
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Cartoon-a-gami

At 05:26 PM 99-09-13 -0400, you wrote:
. IS there a TARDIS model out there?
>
>Mark

If there is, I would like to know about also!  Surely, there is no
copyright on a blue police box?

                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 04:51
Subject: Eiji Nakamura: Flying Origami

Hi all,

I'm looking for the following out-of-print book:

"Flying Origami" by Eiji Nakamura
Harper and Row, New York 1972
ISBN 0870400231

If anybody has this book and would be willing to sell it to me (or loan for a
few weeks, or make a copy of one of the models), mail me privately please:

tanjit@bboxbbs.ch

Thanks!
Matthias





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 05:31
Subject: Re: NO: WebTV & Plug-ins

Isa Miller:

> It's not a matter of the vendors software, it's a matter of the comany who
> owns Acrobat (Adobe) marketing a version that works with WebTV. Since
WebTV
> viewers are currently only about 3-4% of the viewers, I can't imagine that
> this is a high priority for them.

______________________________
First, I'd like to thank Dorothy for mentioning this problem.  I've seen
more and more people recently with WebTV addresses and it simply never
occurred to me that .ps and .pdf files would be a sticking point.  That
makes a large percentage of the diagrams on the web inaccessible to WebTV
users.  For page-owners there is a WebTV Viewer available which will allow
you to test your site at:

http://developer.webtv.net/

Hey, it will resize graphics to fit into its resolution...now why doesn't IE
and Netscape do that?  Then we wouldn't have to worry about different
resolutions preferences when designing WebPages.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
http://www.monumental.com/klundber





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 08:21
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Michael J. Naughton wrote:
>My point, really, with all respect, is that being told that "true"
>creativity involves a "sideways intuitive jump" doesn't seem to
>give me a very good tool for deciding whether a particular model
>is "creative".

I half agree and half don't. I was fortunate enough to take philosophy as a
major subject at university so I know perfectly well that not only are there
no objective criteria for anything but you can't even define a single term
however hard you try. If we took these difficulties seriously we'd give up
using language at all - but as it is we just have to find words that work in
a broadly helpful way. I think the idea of creativity involving a sideways
intuitive jump does this - even though I can't define sideways, intuitive or
jump. It's a working image. And for me it's a helpful one.

>Suppose I said that ....all Philip Shen did was to demonstrate that the
twelve
>corners on Sullivan's model could be made sharper by some simple creases?

Well, you'd be right, but you'd be looking at the question of creativity
from the standpoint of folding technique which is what I'm trying to get
away from.

I bet you Shen didn't think 'These corners are a bit blunt - I'll just
sharpen then up' but something like 'I wonder what happens if ...... wow!'
To me, that's a jump of intuition. It may not be sideways though!

(Have you ever wondered how many folk on this list haven't the faintest idea
what XYZ and the Omega Star are?)

Dave Mitchell





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:15
Subject: Re: Eiji Nakamura: Flying Origami

Mathias:

(Sigh) Perhaps you should simply email me for these old stuff in future
instead of the list - I have the book! I'll photocopy it and mail it to
you, if you could provide me your street address.

My collection dates back to the late 60s and early 70s, and I probably
have almost all of the better origami books available from that period.
Of course, the term 'better' is quite subjective. One of the books I do
not have is Robert Harbin's 'Paper Magic', which was pinched by someone
a long time ago.

By the way, I'll need a little more time to scan the Opus diagrams. My
scanner has been a little cranky lately and I will need to go to my
sister's place to use hers. Should be okay before the weekend.

Visited your webpage again today, during one of those fed-up-with-work
moods in the office. Noticed something which escaped me the first time I
visited, which was sometime in late April or early May, I think: Your
photos are beauties! Did you take them yourself?

Cheers.

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for the following out-of-print book:
>
> "Flying Origami" by Eiji Nakamura
> Harper and Row, New York 1972
> ISBN 0870400231
>
> If anybody has this book and would be willing to sell it to me (or loan for a
> few weeks, or make a copy of one of the models), mail me privately please:
>
> tanjit@bboxbbs.ch
>
> Thanks!
> Matthias





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:15
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Dave Mitchell wrote:

> (Have you ever wondered how many folk on this list haven't the faintest idea
> what XYZ and the Omega Star are?)

I would be one of them! :-(

This must sound pretty dumb, but where are they published?





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 12:21
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Ron Koh asked:

>> (Have you ever wondered how many folk on this list haven't the faintest
idea
>> what XYZ and the Omega Star are?)
>>  but where are they published?

    They are in The Flapping Bird by Samuel Randlett, pages 152 to 155. The
Flapping Bird is a collection of monthly newsletters from the late 60's,
available in a spiral bound collection from OUSA.

    XYZ is a six-piece modular, the units to which are simply made:
        1. Fold both diagonals
        2. Fold in fourths, horizontally an vertically
        3.Waterbomb base
        4. Open sink center of waterbomb on existing creases
        5. Reverse fold two opposite points on existing creases

    Assemble by inserting the resulting square tab into the base of the
second unit, and reverse fold the point of the second unit into the sink of
the first. The six pieces go together in opposing pairs, and the finished
XYZ looks like three intersecting planes, hence the name. Rene Descartes
would be proud.

    The Omega Star takes a finished XYZ and folds all available edges down a
22.5 degrees. Each edge is part of two planes, so when the 22.5 degree
folding is done, a nice curve joins the two. When all edges are finished,
the result is a really fine twelve point star. I'm looking at the diagram,
so my explanation seems clear, but if you're totally confused at this point,
my apologies.

Good luck!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 12:40
Subject: THANKS (Re: Eiji Nakamura: Flying Origami)

Thanks to all those many people that sent me info or offered to mail the
book. Julia Palffy who also lives in Switzerland offered to lend it to
me. That's cheaper and faster than sending books or copies across the
world.

I love this list :-).

Matthias 'happy as an origami airplane' Gutfeldt





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:22
Subject: "Two-Colored Ornament" by Frances LeVangia

I'm looking for diagrams or sample modules for the "Two-Colored Ornament"
taught at this year's OUSA Convention by Frances LeVangia. Could anyone who
took the class or learned the model help me out? Feel free to email me
privately, off-list. Thanks.

Yaacov Metzger
yaacov@excite.com





From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Friederike=20Noether?= <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:52
Subject: Re: printing online diagrams

> Maybe I'm the
> only one, but I don't have this problem. I always
> save diagrams and
> print them out from within my graphics software.
> There, I can set the
> print 'shrink to fit', so no matter what size the
> gif is, it will fit
> nicely on an A4.
> And for pdf files, I can also 'shrink to fit' when I
> print them out with
> the Acrobat Reader. So again, size doesn't matter.
> What am I doing
> wrong?

Absolutely nothing. And no we are two. I am doing the same thing. If
available I save images of the model as well and print them on the back
or in a corner of the diagram. So I will how it should look like.
I just did for a friend who collects dragons, a collection of diagrams
for dragons. From Easy to difficult, because she is only a beginner at
origami. I printed the pictures as a guide for her to show how
difficult the models are.
I found some diagrams on the internet with white lines on a black
background. With a simple graphic software I made the colours inverse
to be printed (black lines on a white background). Much better to read
and saves ink.
===
Friederike
==============================
f_noether@yahoo.de
__________________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de
Yahoo! Auktionen - gleich ausprobieren - http://auktionen.yahoo.de





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:57
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

Here is music to design an origami possum by!  Geraldine Dobyns' toe
tapping (and copyright free!) "Possum Rag":

http://www.mybonbon.com/midi-go-round/possum.mid

Dorothy





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 17:22
Subject: Bringing Origami to Life

I don't know about you guys....but.....I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MONTROLL'S
NEW BOOK!!  Mainly because he hasn't put a book out recently.  It is supposed
to be available October 1st(my birthday)! I cant wait to buy it.  Does anyone
know what models it will contain??
      Thanks,
         Ian McRobbie





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 18:17
Subject: Sv:      Re: printing online diagrams

Thank your Dear Friederike,

You have now cleared away my confusion
on the subject.

>> I always save diagrams and
>> print them out from within my graphics software.
>> There, I can set the
>> print 'shrink to fit', so no matter what size the
>> gif is, it will fit
>> nicely on an A4.

So I will change nothing and go on being
yours truly'

Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North
living well at www.thok.dk





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:41
Subject: dokuhon II

Greetings all,

I recently read the David Brill piece on Yoshizawa in a BOS magazine
(April99?), and my interest was piqued (or should I say re-piqued) in
getting a hold of a copy of Dokuhon II by Yoshizawa. I have tried the
interlibrary loan system in Australia, only to find copies of Dokuhon I
available (which is strange given the publication dates difference ie 1974
to 1986 - I would have thought the latter was more readily available).

I figured my options from here were to apply to the list and ask if anyone
would be willing to sell/rent/lend a copy to me, or give me some library
locations internationally that might hold this book and I will consult the
interlibrary loans system here to see if this is a possibility.

Please reply privately or otherwise.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:45
Subject: Apology: Flying Origami

Hi, all:

My apologies - I accidentally posted a personal email to Mathias on the
list yesterday.





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:00
Subject: Japanese language books

Thanks to everyone who gave me their comments and concerns about Japanese
language origami book.  I will have to try some of them.

Oh Yea.  One more thing.  I think that we should start a list of models that
we have tried to create but have failed at and would like others to try.  A
list of challenges would help me so much when trying to think of new things
to fold.  We can all share our results.  Just an idea for origami
inspiration.

Thanks again,
Collin

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:27
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Thanks, Scott, for the reference and description. Looks like I have been
folding these modulars for years - as ornaments for the Christmas tree -
without realizing (or not remembering) their origins.

Scott Cramer wrote:

>     They are in The Flapping Bird by Samuel Randlett, pages 152 to 155. The
> Flapping Bird is a collection of monthly newsletters from the late 60's,
> available in a spiral bound collection from OUSA.
>
>     XYZ is a six-piece modular, the units to which are simply made:
>         1. Fold both diagonals
>         2. Fold in fourths, horizontally an vertically
>         3.Waterbomb base
>         4. Open sink center of waterbomb on existing creases
>         5. Reverse fold two opposite points on existing creases





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:29
Subject: More Japanese origami book

I was looking at the Japanese origami language books.  Wow are they
expensive! A few different ones I noticed, one of them by Akira Yoshizawa
Called lively origami has anyone tried this book?  Their are also some other
books by Fumiaki Kawahata (Animals of the World, and Imaginary Animals) Any
comments on these would be appreciatd.  One other one is Wild Bird Origami
or something like that.  Is there any cheaper way to obtain these books?
Anything you have to say about any of this would help me so much.

Collin

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From: Jake Crowley <jakecrow@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:56
Subject: Re: Japanese language origami books

Hi Collin,

I can only comment on 1 of the books you list, Super Complex Origami. I just
got Super Complex Origami, and I love it. The models are all complex to very
complex i'd say. The book itself is beautifully made, and contains color
pictures in the front of it of all the models. When i first got the book i
did not care for the models that much to be honest, they are kind of
different from other models of the same thing (the spinosarus, for instance,
rests on its two rear legs and tail when it is finished, I thought it kind
of strange, but when I folded the model I thought it looked great.) The
diagrams are all very clear to understand, i think they did an excellent job
with them. I have folded most of the models from the book, and i loved every
single one I folded. I'm working on the Triceratops skeleton from this book
now, the picture of the model looks GREAT. If you want the contents of the
book go to this address:

http://web.mit.edu/lavin/www/origami/issei-s-c/index.html

Last time i checked this, this list of the contents incorrectly states that
there is a model of a Tyrannosaurus skeleton in the book, the model is
actually a Triceratops skeleton.

Jake Crowley

>From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Japanese language origami books
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:01:01 CDT
>
>I have been looking on the fascinating folds page and I've seen alot of
>great looking books.  The problem is that most of them are In Japanese.
>How
>difficult is it to fold from these books with no available text?  I pretty
>experienced and I'm looking for the most complex things that I can possible
>find.  Some title I noticed were Super Complex Origami,  Origami Fantasy,
>and many books of flowers.  Anyone with comments on any of these books or
>others , could you please contact me.  One other book that I'm curious
>about
>is by J. C. Nolan.  I cna't remember the name but it looks like alot of
>reading and I'm not sure how much folding there is in it.  All your
>comments
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Collin
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 01:35
Subject: I'm back!

Well I've succesfully moved and completed my ecs40 programs and I now have
free time again so I've rejoined the list.

David





From: Missle Casanova <Misle1149@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 02:11
Subject: hey

Hey  I"m  new  to  this  list  and  i  was  wondering if  anyone had a book
by  the name  of  metric  origami  oh  and  also  could  u supply  me  with
any  good sites were i could get some  diagrams  of  metric  origami?  thanks.
                                                    Missle





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 03:28
Subject: Re: hey

>Hey  I"m  new  to  this  list  and  i  was  wondering if  anyone had a book
>by  the name  of  metric  origami  oh  and  also  could  u supply  me  with
>any  good sites were i could get some  diagrams  of  metric  origami?  thanks.
>                                                    Missle

What is Metric Origami!?  I haven't heard of the book before and the name
metric origami doesn't even make sense to me, please someone enlighten me!

David





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 04:59
Subject: Sv:      hey

Dear Missie

>any  good sites were i could get some  diagrams  of  metric  origami?  thanks.
                                               Missle
I understand your question in the sense
that You are interested in Origami models folded from metric paper.

Go to www.thok.dk

There you will find several models that it designed to be folded from A4
or any silver rectangle.

Kind Regards from
the Great and Glorious Kalmon of the North.





From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@BCPL.NET>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 09:53
Subject: Frederick P. Rose (obit)

Was this person familiar in the Origami world?
I was just handed an obit from the New York Times Sept 16, 1999 of this
philanthropist because included was this comment:

"Mr. Rose always carried a stack of foreign currency and American dollar
bills, which he would fold into intricate origami figures of birds, cows
and walruses and present to his delighted friends"

Arlene Anderson                 aanderso@bcpl.net





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 11:00
Subject: Re: Japanese language origami books

Thanks to Collin for his comments on the book Super Complex Origami and
the location of the contents of the book.  Are pictures of the folded
models available anywhere on the web?  I for one would like to see them.\

                    ... Mark
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|                  Mark.Casida@umontreal.ca             |





From: Daniela Carboni <rednina@TISCALINET.IT>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 11:04
Subject: Re: Music to Fold By

Something overwhelming like punk music or J. S. Bach organ works.

Bye,
        Daniela.

/\_/\        Daniela S. Carboni
 o o     Rocket Scientist & Origamist
= # =    email: rednina@tiscalinet.it





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 12:05
Subject: Kawahata- Origami Fantasy for Sale

I have a copy of Origami Fantasy in good condition-- contains models like the
Pegasus, Dinosaurs and Unicorn.  Very complex.

Asking $40  + shipping.

Rob





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 12:07
Subject: Re: Frederick P. Rose orbit

The NY Times featured him in an article many years ago, showing him with a
shirt folded from a dollar bill. If anyone is interested, I could dig up a
copy of the article from my archives. Suggest you e-mail me direct at
Ftemko@aol.com.

Florence.





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 12:23
Subject: Re: More Japanese origami book

If I decide that 10.000 Yen = 100 Swiss Francs (this is a very rough
average, I haven't been studying the Wall Street Journal!), then the
Japanese origami books I have bought in Switzerland so far have cost me
about twice the Japanese price indicated on the cover or dust jacket. The
people at the shop explained that this was to cover their shipping and
customs taxes.
Nor are they cheating (actually I even get a discount!), for I have noticed
the same price ratio when I buy other products from Japan here.
Conversely, when I stayed in Japan, I once found and bought some Swiss
chocolate there, and by the same rule of thumb it was about twice as
expensive in Switzerland.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:09
Subject: [NO] Spinosaurus (was Re: Japanese language origami books)

At 17:45 99/09/15 -0700, Jake wrote:
>When i first got the book i
>did not care for the models that much to be honest, they are kind of
>different from other models of the same thing (the spinosarus, for instance,
>rests on its two rear legs and tail when it is finished, I thought it kind
>of strange, but when I folded the model I thought it looked great.)

Jake, the spinosaurus is supposed to be on its hind legs. It is a
carnivorous dinosaur and looked a bit like a T-rex with a "sail" on its
back. You were probably thinking of the dimetrodon which was a much earlier
reptile (before the dinosaurs). It had a "sail" as well, but went along on
all fours.

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:22
Subject: Re: Webpage Update

Hi John!

So, that's what you've been up to, milking your Folding California
reputation to the max on the world wide web!

What a difference a camera makes!  Wow, the resolution of your pics is
simply gorgeous and your new and improved selection of models only adds
to your reputation as one of the premiere folders in Origamiland!

I would like to suggest that you:

1.  Use bold type for the names of the models.

2.  Make the spaces between each model paragraphs equidistant.

3.  Include for all the models, a description of the paper you used.

I think you should definitely exhibit these models at PCOC.  You are
going, aren't you?

Anyway, thanks for all the hard work and artistry you've put into you
web page!

And keep those fabulous folding fingers of yours in fine, formidable
form!  My next show will be...................

"ORIGAMI, THE MUSICAL"

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:32
Subject: Re: Webpage Update

Oh, geez, I am so sorry to have sent the list my private email intended
for John Marcolina.

Dorothy





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 1999 17:07
Subject: Re: Sv:      Re: printing online diagrams

Thoki Yenn indited:
> >> I always save diagrams and
> >> print them out from within my graphics software.
> >> There, I can set the
> >> print 'shrink to fit', so no matter what size the
> >> gif is, it will fit
> >> nicely on an A4.
>
> So I will change nothing and go on being
> yours truly'

That is unfortunate, because many do not have access to those programs to
post-process images on the web.

Since the whole point of having diagrams on-line is so that other folders an
fold from them, and since (thank Kalmon) folding in front of a computer screen
is not the 'norm', printing of diagrams is needed. It is a huge efficiency to
have printer friendly diagrams created by the server, than to force everyone
who wishes to use them to go through a process as outlined above. The leverage
of efficiency is amazing. For some, if the diagrams don't print, they are just
out of luck.

-D'gou the practical
