




From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: actual Origami!

Hi to all!  I did something real neat: I folded Montroll's apatosaurus by
wetfolding it from xerox paper!  Yes that's right xerox paper.  To those
that haven't wetfolded before and didn't want to buy expensive paper, here
is a cheap solution because it works marvelously.  Here's what I did: I
kept the paper damp, not wet, and I it was only moist, just so the paper is
soft and that's all.  Folds are nice, this paper is your friend, more
friendly than kami.  I was able to mold the dinosaur into a 3d animal which
would have been hard to do from dry folding given the double sink in the
back.  I also added nice curve to the tail and the head to add character to
the dinosaur.  The reason why I tell this: when I was a kid and read about
wet folding in Origami Sea Life I never thought of myself doing it because
I thought I needed special paper (imagining in my head a soaked piece of
college ruled paper saying ahh I can't fold this!) now I realize that even
xerox paper can be used for wet folding if you simply control the level of
dampness in the paper.  For people on the list that have not tried wet
folding before I urge to make this leap and try this, wet folding it's a
wonderful experience.

Now that I'm done raving I want to ask if anyone else on the list has tried
wetfolding xerox paper?  Here I'll add that sinks are better using lizard
skin though.  Gee elephant hide is what, $1 a sheet, lizardskin .50 a sheet
but xerox paper is a penny a sheet.

Dare to wetfold!!!!!

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: origami

I sent an email a while ago to the list but I haven't received it back
again so I don't know what happened.  I'll simply restate it again.  I
wetfolded xerox paper and it worked!  I folded Montroll's apatosaurus and
Kawasaki's shell (of course) by keeping the paper only slightly damp so
that it would be soft instead of wet.  For anybody who hasn't wetfolded
before because they didn't want to buy expensive paper, here is your
chance, xerox paper is a penny a piece!  I find it easier to make 3d
molding of the model when wetfolding.  The results were nice, especially
with the shell.  Has anybody else tried wetfolding xerox paper?

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 07:10
Subject: Re: disaster classes

You should obviously have a selection of prefolded throwing stars for just
such an occasion.

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Gutfeldt [mailto:tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH]
Sent: 10 September 1999 09:06
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: disaster classes

Well, it wasn't quite as bad. But yesterday night, one lady walked out of my
origami class. Has this ever happened to others?

Matthias





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 07:13
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

You can download the latest PDF viewer free at

http://www.adobe.com/acrobat/

--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Engleman [mailto:FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET]
Sent: 10 September 1999 06:28
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Addressing Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon's formatting of his diagrams, Doug
Philips wrote..."If you cannot use PDF (and with the cost, many,
including myself, cannot), and must use scanned GIF or JPG images..."

As my browser cannot access pdf files, I would also like to add my voice
and pleadingly urge site owners to use or include gif and jpg images for
your diagrams, whenever possible.

Dorothy





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 07:38
Subject: Sv:      Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Kalmon learning to play the concertina game
compression and expansion
(Harmonizing is the game of Europe now a days)

Dear Doug Philips

>Because of page ratio differences, many diagrams originating on
>European websites print (if at all) with difficulty in the USA.

Thank you very much for pointing this out.
I have immediately started to convert
all my diagrams to American letter size
resampling to 500 pixels wide,
this will fit neatly inside the printing surface
of A4, which is the common printing paper in Europe
I have to day started with
http://www.thok.dk/schezade.html

In connection with this, I have a question

Is it a help to link to page 2, etc
or is it better for printing to scroll to the page 2 etc?

Kind regards from
The great and Glorious Kalmon of the North

It will not harm you or your children
to have a look at the rest of my site
http://www.thok.dk/





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 08:21
Subject: OT languages (was RE: Tanteidan convention pics)

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>It's the official Japan Origami Academic Society site; why should it be
>in English?
>
>Do you mean to say you encourage insularism? I thought the Global Village was
>the thing nowadays (especially on the Net)!

Let's put it this way: Why should I encourage your 'English Only' insularism?

However, I'm sure the JAOS won't mind if you pay a professional translator to
do the J->E translation :-).

Matthias Gutfeldt





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 09:56
Subject: Re: file attach apology!

Yeah right. Twice in a row. And you got applause for it, too- that was a
really nice trading card!

Matthias

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Erk - I've just realised I replied to Doug via the list & not privately
>- sorry to all for this breach of nettiquette & thank goodness it wasn't
>a large file!





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:01
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Nick, please don't send binaries to the list; you're setting a bad
>example.
>*** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage ***
>*** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift.                        ***

While we're at it... why don't you remove your .sig, Sebastian? Nobody expects
you to sign your e-mail anyway, so it's a non - information really!

Matthias 'nag nag' Gutfeldt





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:07
Subject: Re: Origami Archive

Dorothy Engleman inquired:
>
> Recently, I am unable to access the Origami Archive at:
>
> http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami/
>
> Whenever I perform a search, all I get is a blank page with "Search In
> Progress: Please Wait" on the top.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?

My result has been that after a long time I get back a "not found" kind of
message, no matter what I search for. (though I admit I haven't tried in a
while).

Joseph Wu, list co-admin, is off-line, either having gotten, or about to get,
married. I don't know if Anne LaVin, our other list co-admin, is also away or
not.

I'll mention that Alex Barber's archive search seems to be working, but as I
don't personally like the interface, I have reverted to using the email search
that Maartin van Gelder provides.

-D'gou





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:22
Subject: Creativity Criteria

Michael J. Naughton wrote:

>but what about Philip Shen's simple folding
>down of the edges of E. D. Sullivan's "XYZ" to make the
>"Omega Star"?

Simple? Well, I guess everything's simple in hindsight! But you have to have
the mental agility to think of it at the time. And that's about the hardest
thing there is!

Philip Shen deserves credit for having changed a very ordinary piece of
modular origami into a great one - even if the extra folding itself is
simple (which was probably what Michael really mean't to say)

>For that matter, what about Sullivan's addition
>of a single sink (along with hiding flaps) to Robert Neale's
>"Six Piece Ornament" (made from waterbomb bases), which
>produced the "XYZ" in the first place?

This is interesting. Is this how it happened? I'd always assumed that XYZ
was an independent discovery which just happens to bear this straightforward
relationship to Robert Neale's model. Love to be wrong about this though.

>And then there's Neale's ornament itself: no new creases were used at all;
instead, he
>simply took six examples of the traditional waterbomb base and
>put them together to form a new ...

The way I look at the difference between variation and originality is that
originality always involves a sideways jump of insight or intuition. Paul
Jackson's story about Picasso fits in here. Presumably his apocryphal
alternate Picasso only thought he'd had two great insights in his working
life. Most of us would credit him with a few more than that but the fact
remains that most of Picasso's art is variation (though it's variation on an
original theme.)

Rambling again ....

Dave Mitchell





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:28
Subject: Re: disaster classes

Matthias Gutfeldt inquired:

> Well, it wasn't quite as bad. But yesterday night, one lady walked out of my
> origami class. Has this ever happened to others?

I've had kids (or rather parents and their kids) leave when they couldn't keep
up. Most of the teaching I do is in a setting where the children go first,
then the adults come in. Some kids like to stay, whether they are skillful
enough or not. Usually we try to discourage them, but I'm not particular good
at that, and as a result, well... I try to encourage them to keep at it,
sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't.

I have had a one or two people at an OUSA convention class who have realized
they were in over their head and left. As far as I recall that was always
amiable. I wish I could say that I found them later, but my memory for faces
and names is terrible.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:33
Subject: Re: Sv:      Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Thoki Yenn inquired:
> Dear Doug Philips

> I have immediately started to convert
> all my diagrams to American letter size
> resampling to 500 pixels wide,
> this will fit neatly inside the printing surface
> of A4, which is the common printing paper in Europe

The problem, in the USA, is that A4 is longer than 8.5x11, so the bottoms of
the pages either get cut off entirely, or broken onto a separate page (if you
are lucky). The inverse problem is that 8.5x11 is wider than A4, so diagrams
formatted for 8.5x11 will be too wide for A4 pages.

> In connection with this, I have a question
>
> Is it a help to link to page 2, etc
> or is it better for printing to scroll to the page 2 etc?

I cannot speak for users of Microsoft Internet Explorer, but no version of
Netscape Navigator that I have used will allow me to decide where the page
breaks are. If all of your diagrams are on one page (the CDO diagram archive
is like this), then I have to "view image" each page and print it separately,
so that I don't get a page break in the middle of a diagram. I would
personally vote for having a web page per diagram page.

Thanks for asking!

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:37
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

In a personal email note, Bernie Cosell noticed that I'd goofed on page size:
> 8" leaves over three inches of margins... I'd guess you intended to say
> ten inches.

You are correct! Thanks. A page of 7x10 inches should fit without overflow on
both A4 and 8.5x11. I think I have that right now. ;-)

-D'gou





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:04
Subject: Re: Origami Calendar

I was thrilled when I found the Origami calendar at Kinokuniya Books here in
Seattle just the other day. I can't wait for Jan. 1 :o).

On another note I received a catalog from Paragon and they had a lovely
Sterling silver origami crane  necklace for $22.00.

Leeh in Seattle
lamms@aol.com





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:22
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Dorothy writes:
> As my browser cannot access pdf files, I would also like to add my voice
> and pleadingly urge site owners to use or include gif and jpg images for
> your diagrams, whenever possible.

______________________
I'm supposing that .ps files are also a problem with WebTV.  Will it support
frames?  It would be easy to set up a directory that would bring up 7 by 10
.gifs as individual images in frames.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com
http://www.monumental.com/klundber





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:29
Subject: Re: Animal Origami for the enthused paperfolder

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> >Maybe, but it's still my favourite Grasshopper model to date.
> >It's just got that grasshopper essence to it that gives it the edge over
> >Robert Lang's models in my opinion.
>
> ah yes, but Ronald Koh's looks better ..

David:

When was the last time you paid your optician a visit? Tol'ja all those
all-night folding sessions will leave you cross-eyed!

I don't know how if the folding sequence is as elegant as Montroll's
though

It isn't. For sheer sequential elegance, I should think John Montroll is
somewhere up there in the stratosphere.

By the way, David, thanks for the private tip on the archives.





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 14:01
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE> sez

>Nick, please don't send binaries to the list; you're setting a bad
>example.

It was a mistake - we all make them don't we?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Mette Pederson <mette.pederson@TRIFOLIUM.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:04
Subject: Envelope diagrams!

Frances LeVangia has recently joined our local folding group, TOFU (Triangle
Origami Folders United), in Raleigh, North Carolina.  She shared her
Envelope model with us at our last meeting, and has graciously allowed her
diagrams to be posted on my web site!

http://mette.pederson.com  --> Then click on the Diagrams link!

If the envelope looks familiar to you, it's because she created it in 1972.
Versions of the envelope diagrams have been published before by OUSA, BOS
and in one of Gay Merril Gross's books.

Enjoy!
Mette Pederson

http://mette.pederson.com
Mette@Pederson.com
MetteUnits@aol.com





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:04
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

>You can download the latest PDF viewer free at
>
>http://www.adobe.com/acrobat/
>
>--------------------------
>        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)
>
>

Dorothy, it sounds like you don't have the proper plugin.  You do know you
can get them on the web?

David
ps either that or your computer is way old.

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:04
Subject: Re: disaster classes

>Well, it wasn't quite as bad. But yesterday night, one lady walked out of my
>origami class. Has this ever happened to others?
>
>Matthias

Do you mean midfold?  Did she say anything like "this is crap! I'm outta
here!"  Well actually do any of you fancy europeans talk like that?

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:10
Subject: Tanteidan book orders and JOAS membership

Dear all,

Due to an overwhelming response to my offer to accept JOAS membership
applications and Tanteidan book orders, I will be sending Mr. Yamaguchi the
first batch of orders.  I have received checks from the following people for
their book orders and/or JOAS membership:  (random order)

Jean Baden-Gillette
Ann M Kleimola
Daniel Scher
Herman Lau
Robert A. Nedwick
David Whitbeck
Anita Barbour
Yaacov Metzger
Dennis Brannon
Martha Winslow-Cole
Robert Lang
Janet Hamilton
Kimberly Crane
Carla Kutzuba
Larry Davis
Linda Bogan
Becky Berman
Masako Takebe
Hiroko Yamagata
Alex Barber
Tony Cheng
Maria Velazquez
Marc Kirchenbaum
Jan Polish
Scott Cramer
Peg Barber
Helen Sperber
Glen McNitt
Penny Chua
Pamela Dailey
Joyce Saler
Joe Wezorek
David Chow

If you have placed an order, sent me a check but do not see your name on this
list, please let me know.  Of course, mail can be slow.  Don't fret -- there
are enough outstanding orders to send another batch before the end of the
month!

Sincerely,

June Sakamoto

PS:  I managed to delete someone's message before I could read it a few days
ago.  If you have sent me a message and I haven't responded to it by now,
please re-send it to me.  My apologies!





From: Rob Moes <robmoes@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:44
Subject: Re: actual Origami/wetfolding

David writes:

>Now that I'm done raving I want to ask if anyone else on the list has tried
>wetfolding xerox paper?  Here I'll add that sinks are better using lizard
>skin though.  Gee elephant hide is what, $1 a sheet, lizardskin .50 a sheet
>but xerox paper is a penny a sheet.

There's a wide variation even among photocopier paper....if you've ever
walked into a big office superstore like Staples or OfficeMax, it can be
overwhelming.  I try to find places where I can actually feel a sample of
the paper--keeping my fingers crossed that I only have to buy 100 sheets.

Almost intuitively one can guess that "bond" type papers with higher cotton
content will hold up to wet-folding better than other varieties.  There is
a trend toward "post-consumer use" or recycled content...and in my
experience the nice long fibers of the original paper become shorter and
more brittle, and I haven't been particularly happy with the results.

I love the look of the new "bright" papers, but I'm nervous about
color-fastness...some colors like blue and purple can change dramatically.
Probably best to stick with colors that look as if Mother Nature had
something to do with them...  Encouraging, however, is the trend toward
more and more acid-free paper, especially at places that cater to
ink-stampers and scrapbookers   :)

I have used parchment-type "calligraphic" paper in various pastel colors
for many years.  It becomes quite stiff and sculptural after the
wet-folding.  I used a sheet of dove gray for Montroll's shark and was very
happy with the result.  As I recall, it can be found for 7 to 10 cents a
sheet, which is certainly not bad compared to the cost of vellum.

Rob





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 16:58
Subject: Re: (NO) Viewing Diagrams

In response to my plea that diagrams be made available in gif or jpg
format (because my browser cannot access pdf files), Allan Findlay and
David Whitbeck kindly pointed out that I can download a free PDF viewer.
Yes, thank you, Allan and David, I know about the Adobe Reader but my
internet terminal is not a computer and, alas, cannot download.

Dorothy





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:19
Subject: Re: Origami Archive

Dorothy Engleman asks:

> Recently, I am unable to access the Origami Archive at:
> http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami/
> Whenever I perform a search, all I get is a blank page with "Search In
> Progress: Please Wait" on the top.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?
>
>  Dorothy

I thought this at first too.

But searches in the archives can take a very, very long time, while the
search mz\chine goes through the whole of the archives for the period specied.

Just be patient and go on waiting.

Or alternatively narrow down the search to a shorter period.

David Lister.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:59
Subject: Meeting announcement

    After threatening to do it for a year or more, I've finally gotten
around to organizing a group in the Lancaster-Littleton NH area. The
inaugural meeting will be held this Sunday from 1 to 4 at the Weeks Memorial
Library in Lancaster. All are welcome!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Debra Nelson <debnels@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:09
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: The Paper]]

Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:09:52 -0400
From: Debra Nelson <debnels@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [Fwd: The Paper]
To: Origami@MITMA.MIT.EDU
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MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet  (Win95; U)
Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822

Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:09:52 -0400
From: Debra Nelson <debnels@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: The Paper
To: Origami@MITVA.MIT.EDU
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MIME-version: 1.0
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The Fall issue is at the printer and will be distributed shortly.
Dealines and feature subjects for future issues are listed below. Note
that the features are for general themes of the issue and will not
retrict inclusion of other stories. If you have any ideas or would like
to write stories for any of these issues, please let me know.

Winter '99
Origami by children             Deadline: October 15

February 2000
Origami and Fine Art            Deadline: December 15

April 2000
Science & Math                  Deadline: February 15

June 2000
Origami in the Commercial
World                           Deadline: April 15

August:
Teaching/Education              Deadline: June 15

October:
Convention Issue                Deadline: August 15

December
Holiday Issue                   Deadline: October 15

If you could let us know about special techniqus you used this year
during the holidays we can use them in next year's story.

I'm also interested in your ideas for oru new Techniques Column. Wat
would you like to se?
Thanks, everybody, for your help with the first issue and I look forward
to your collaboration during the coming year.
Debra Nelson-Hogan





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 18:22
Subject: Sizing A4 to US Standard

When I have had to xerox A4 onto US standard 8.5 x 11 inches, I reduced the
original to 96%. The length was fine but the side margins were a bit wide on
one side. I tried to make sure the wide margins were in the gutter for
binding as it did not matter then.

Is the some way to scale down the A4 diagrams to 96% of original?

I must admit that I have sometimes had trouble with European diagrams
fitting on a page even when I used my hoard of real A4 paper. I picked up a
few reams while in England and Italy.The few times that I have shown the
stash in public people get real surprised.

Mark





From: Monica L Jones <mony1@JUNO.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 19:56
Subject: Re: Sizing A4 to US Standard

>
> Is there some way to scale down the A4 diagrams to 96% of original?
>

The high tech, expensive way to do it (unless you can use ones at work,
school, or a friend's house) would be to scan the A4 diagrams into a
computer and use Adobe Photoshop (or some other equally capable software)
to make the image exactly the size you want.  You would also be able to
rearrange the diagrams to make them fit more easily or to make almost any
other changes you wanted.  Admittedly, not everyone has access to that
technology.

Have you tried cut and paste?  My mom uses it a lot-you photocopy the
original, cut it into smaller pieces, and then rearrange the pieces to
fit where you need them to.  Obviously, this works better when there's
lots of empty space that can be reduced.  Once you get it all taped to a
piece of paper, you copy it, clean up any extraneous black spots, and
you've got a new original.  That might solve your problem with the 96%
version being just a bit too big.

Just two methods I've used to reduce other things,

Monica

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From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 21:58
Subject: Re: Origami Calendar

-----Original Message-----
From:   Leeh McArthur [SMTP:Lamms@AOL.COM]
Sent:   Friday, September 10, 1999 12:04 PM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Origami Calendar

WELL I COULDN'T WAIT.  I HAD TO START NOW.  The next question is where to
keep the calendar.  I am reluctant to admit that I keep it where so many
people put magazines.

I was thrilled when I found the Origami calendar at Kinokuniya Books here
in
Seattle just the other day. I can't wait for Jan. 1 :o).

On another note I received a catalog from Paragon and they had a lovely
Sterling silver origami crane  necklace for $22.00.

Leeh in Seattle
lamms@aol.com





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 01:49
Subject: test

just a test sorry
--
"Each time he shifted gears he did it as if the Moment of Truth
had arrived in a bullfight"
H. Allen Smith "The Pig in the Barber Shop"

http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/           <--Website w/ diagrams!
Icq 23622644





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 01:53
Subject: Lang's Murex question

I have now decided to put this before the whole group, it is a difficult
question that only a few on this list might know the answer, of which I
really would like to know: what is the history of Lang's Murex steps 10-20?
Did Lang borrow this from another creator or did he create, and if another
creator what is the fold's history?

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Sep 1999 04:06
Subject: Re: Sizing A4 to US Standard

There really is little difficulty if the original to be coverted either way
has reasonable headers and footers and margins.

In the days of the late-lamented FOLD magazine I used to hve my contribution
typed on A4 leaving a half inch deeper footer at the bottom. This was
photocopied on to American letter paper by the editor in the United States
and my contibutions appeared in FOLD without cropping in any way.

But why can't Americans adopt the International sizes of paper? As far as I
know the United States is the last country in the world to conform.

I suppose it's for the same reason that the British still measure road
distances in miles and milk and beer in pints, namely isolationism and
historical inertia.

Of course there are arguments against world standardisation. It reduces the
individuality of the different cultures of the world. The most baneful effect
of this levelling down has been the ubiquitous spread of western pop music,
the constant sound of which pervdes every bar, restaurant entertainment
centre and shop throughout the world to the exclusion of the very things,
including local music, which we go abroad to experience. We have reched the
stage where there is even only one paperfolding/origami culture.

David Lister.





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 05:57
Subject: Re: Sizing A4 to US Standard

In a message dated 9/11/99 8:07:18 AM, DLister891@AOL.COM writes:

<< But why can't Americans adopt the International sizes of paper? As far as I
know the United States is the last country in the world to conform. >>

Change takes time. America has only been making the transition since the
70's, not long. And, look...
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/
National Metric Week is October 10-16.
Maybe, this will answer your question.
Kelly





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 06:35
Subject: Re: Sizing A4 to US Standard

> When I have had to xerox A4 onto US standard 8.5 x 11 inches, I reduced the
> original to 96%. The length was fine but the side margins were a bit wide on
> one side. I tried to make sure the wide margins were in the gutter for
> binding as it did not matter then.

When I first started drawing my diagrams it was based on A4.
I changed my drawing program to reduce by 95% to fit also on US
standard.

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 10:16
Subject: Paper diagrams

hi,
I am trying to collect those diagrams that are included with folding paper.
I have about 15 different types and find them very interesting.
Would like to know when they started to be included with paper and does
anyone have some other than in Japanese or English?
If you don't have an attachment to them I would appreicate them, sen to :
Mike Kanarek, 17 Clinton Ave., Kingston, NY. 12401
        Thanks Mike

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From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Sep 1999 10:52
Subject: (NO) Re: Plugins (was Re: Diagram Page size... )

In a message dated 9/10/1999 4:17:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:

> Dorothy, it sounds like you don't have the proper plugin.  You do know you
>  can get them on the web?

???? "Plugin"? Does WebTV have plugins? (serious question, I didn't think
it did, but my background information is very thin.)

Hi Dave Whitbeck,

In case you haven't noticed, Dorothy Engleman is using a service called
WebTV, that I think affords her a limited sort of e-mail access to the
WWW thru a custom keyboard and a TV (at least that's my understanding,
never seen it myself). It doesn't give her all the bells and whistles of
Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer. If I remember, at one point she
couldn't answer e-mail without quoting the whole message. That may be
fixed by now, I dunno.

WebTV is moderately crippled, but it has the advantage that it is cheap,
and doesn't require buying a computer, so a lot of people, Dorothy included,
are stuck with it as all they can afford.

Me, I'm using AOL's cheaper BYOA (Bring Your Own Access) plan, which
means, instead of dialing up AOL, I dial up a real ISP, and then run AOL 4.0
for Windows 95, which connects thru the ISP connection, using TCP/IP.
This way, I can also use Internet Explorer (or Navigator, but I'm still not
used
to that) and my ISP to browse, but I get to keep using my AOL address and
can access AOL's "content" (tho I don't know about most of it, and what I do
know about doesn't interest me). Oh, and this works until an incoming AOL
IM (Instant Message) causes my poor computer to freeze and need to be
re-booted.

I have discovered NetZero, the free ISP, and I think there are one or two
other ad-supported free ISP's now, but Dorothy can't use those, since she
doesn't have a real computer, just the WebTV settop box.

My apologies for burdening the list with this, I thought about a private
reply,
but I know so little, that I decided I preferred the chance to (1) be
corrected,
and (2) get us all "on the same wavelength", as far as understanding what
Dorothy's WebTV can and can't do for her (and/or any other WebTVer's
on the list).

If there is a PDF plugin for WebTV, I'm curious to know, in real simple
language, how she should get it and install it. I can program a little
(unfortunately most of my recent experience is in an older dialect of
COBOL, yuck!), but I'm not good with hardware or with software
installation (my system gets fixed, upgraded, tweaked, etc. whenever
my brother comes to visit. His combination of experience, intuition
and fearless willingness to experiment just amaze me.), so assume I
need everything explained.

By the way, I make a great tester for supposedly idiot-proof code.
Once crashed a BASIC program by holding down a key, and
discovering that the input routine couldn't handle a buffer overflow.
Aargh! Then there was the time a system couldn't handle having a
terminal being turned off. Oops!  Amazing what you find, when you
don't know what you're expected to not do.

Like someone said, "Nature sides with the hidden flaw".

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura





From: Michel Bouma <comic@WORLDONLINE.NL>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 11:08
Subject: Re: Paper diagrams

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    Onderwerp: Paper diagrams

    hi,
    I am trying to collect those diagrams that are included with folding paper.
    I have about 15 different types and find them very interesting.
    Would like to know when they started to be included with paper and does
    anyone have some other than in Japanese or English?
    If you don't have an attachment to them I would appreicate them, sen to :
    Mike Kanarek, 17 Clinton Ave., Kingston, NY. 12401
            Thanks Mike

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From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Sep 1999 14:30
Subject: New model diagrams

Hi all,

If you are the parent or relative of a 3rd- or 4th-grade boy, you can hardly
have escaped the all-consuming passion of "Pokemon," which comes from Japan
and consists of videogames, TV shows, and trading cards, as well as Pokemon
(TM) Brand clothes, lunchboxes, air, and water. The word "Pokemon" is a
contraction of "we POcKEt your MONey," and while I have not quite figured out
all of the intricacies of the Pok-e-universe, it revolves around 150 or so
little animated characters with names like Charmander, Pigeotto, Jigglypuff,
Puff Daddy, Staphylococcus, and Velociraptor. Or something like that.

There are several ways a child can participate in the Pokemon phenomenon,
exercising many parts of his brain, thereby allowing all non-Pokemon brain
functions to be relegated to his brain stem (and then only on alternate
days). He can buy videogames; he can watch a TV show whose level of animation
quality makes "Speed Racer" look like "The Lion King"; or he can spend vast
amounts of money on trading cards that YOU DON'T EVEN GET ANY GUM WITH.

My personal theory is that this is actually Sony's revenge on America for Jon
Peters, and I picture the product concept meeting: "Hmmm, we've seen from
Beanie Babies that Americans will spend huge amounts of money for worthless
animal characters with cute names. I know -- this time we'll get them to
spend huge amounts of money for PICTURES of worthless animal characters with
cute names! HAHAHAHAHA!"

As you might have guessed from this little discussion, my son is now
thoroughly engrossed in the whole Pokemania thing (slogan: "gotta buy em
all!") and in an attempt to divert his attention ever-no-nanoscopically from
counting his Leaf Energy Cards and his Fire Energy Cards and scheming about
elaborate 10-way trades to obtain this or that card (the REAL reason
Milosevic invaded Kosovo was that he heard there was a Charizard card
somewhere in Prstina), I designed and diagrammed an origami model that some
say resembles one of the Pokemon characters. I will not mention its name in
case one of Nintendo's lawyers is reading this list salivating over the
licensing fees that could be extracted from the origami community; suffice it
to say that it is yellow, has a zig-zag tail, and its name induces an
irresistible urge to say "Gesundheit." Having to call it _something_, I chose
to call my character "Spenjurmunni". If you want to fold it, I've sent it to
the archives where Maarten should post it in a day or so. Look for a file
called "Spenjurmunni.pdf". Have fun!

Robert J. Lang





From: Ian McRobbie <Ourldypeac@AOL.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 16:06
Subject: An Origami Revolution!

   Okay, okay.  I know many of you will disagree with this post but I am
hoping that many of you will also agree.
   Mr. Lang's post about his pokemon design finally motivated me to say this.
 WE NEED AN ORIGAMI REVOLUTION!!  I can't tell you how tired I am of folding
animal after animal.  The big guys such as Lang and Montroll are constantly
creating more and more animal models.  What a relief that Mr. Lang has
created a cartoon character!!  (THANKS MR. LANG!!) Book after book that comes
out are mainly for animal models that have been folded and refolded.  Animal
models have been done to death!  Im am really getting bored of folding
animals.
   Why not characters?!?  From cartoons.  Or movies.  I am also very pleased
to see many people on the list are creating star wars models.  KEEP IT UP!!
You are the diamonds in the rough!  I am in love with The
Transformers(remember they were big in the 80's?), and robots, and machines.
Why not branch out to topics other than animals for a while!  All of my
favorite origami creators fold animals.  But I believe that if they were to
explore machines, vehicles, characters, and concepts, they could create the
gosh-darn coolest origami ever!!  I have tried very, very, very hard to
create models of my own.  My efforts were fruitless.  Please help me to start
an origami revolution!
           Your friend,
               Ian McRobbie





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 18:08
Subject: Re: Sizing A4 to US Standard

Canadians use the metric system, I can't even think in the old units
anymore, but we still use 8 1/2 X 11 paper.  I don't know why, but I would
venture to guess that the change would have too great an effect on the
economy.  Changing the numbers on a gas gauge is one thing, but changing
photocopiers, stationary, printers, and whatever, is rather a lot.

                                                CAthy

At 05:56 AM 99-09-11 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/11/99 8:07:18 AM, DLister891@AOL.COM writes:
>
><< But why can't Americans adopt the International sizes of paper? As far
as I
>know the United States is the last country in the world to conform. >>
>
>Change takes time. America has only been making the transition since the
>70's, not long. And, look...
>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html
>http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/
>National Metric Week is October 10-16.
>Maybe, this will answer your question.
>Kelly
>
>
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 18:33
Subject: Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for the feedback so far,

Re Mike :
Ive got a HI/Complex tricerators and stegasaurus (improvement on the current
one by a long way) that need to be diagrammed. I still have to diagram by X
wing fighter model although to be honest the one on Joseph Wu's page site is
better. I have designed a large silver dragon using 6 squares of
black/silver foil paper which is quite complex with minimal gluing required
for display purposes. Diagramming this will be a nightmare, but its worth a
few photos at least. I do have a gryphon and a balrog diagrammed somewhere
but I didnt think them good enough quality for the web site - they are what
I would call "what is it?" models (based on the response of anyone you show
them too). I designed a complex grasshopper too, but half way through
diagramming, I noticed it was way too close to Langs grasshopper in his
insect book. The design came about through coincidence - I actually pinched
half of it from Marc K's spider crab.
Anyway, I waffle...

To all the others,
I intend to keep my diagrams .gif format. I'll do this as I did not have
access to a pdf user at university or at the West Suffolk Hospital, and was
not allowed to download one. Virtually any web browser can cope with .gif.
Secondly, I am going to re scan a lot of my diagrams and ensure that they
will fit in both UK A4 paper and US letter paper. Most of the ones on the
web site are not uniform in size, do not really fit and have lots of
redundent scanning on them. I can save a lot of memory by doing this. Also,
a lot of them are 16 colour .gif where as a 2 colour one would do just as
well. Finally, I have noticed a few errors in the text - such as indicating
reverse folds instead pf valley/mountain folds.
However, the road to hell is paved with good intentions; this will all take
time, just as diagramming that damned crab and wasp will take time.

I may flatbed scan a few more models just to show them off. I may even show
you my 'bear' prototype. This is infact covered in blood after my sisters
gerbils bit me after I stopped them fighting. The idea was still fresh in my
mind I just had to get it down on paper (what would the proper origami
equivilent of that be?) - only problem was the little fiends had bitten my
creasing fingers.

Lastly, the address that I gave on my last one was a bit ambiguous, it
should read

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800

or

fast.to/origami       (with no www before)

Have fun,

Stephen.

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From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 19:03
Subject: Origami Poetry

"Humpty Dumpty and the troll."

The road was rough
the road was bumpy
Off his bicycle
fell Humpty Dumpty.

Down a hill
he did roll
Until he crashed
into a troll!

(The troll was angry
 the troll was mean
 He was the baddest troll
 you've ever seen!)

With a booming voice
the troll did say
"Give me your money
 then you may be on your way."

Mr Dumpty cried,
"I have no money on me.
 But I do have this box
 of folded origami."

He opened the box
and what a surprise!
The beautiful origami
lit up the troll's eyes!

Inside was a butterfly
and a horse with wings
And all manner
of beautiful things.

"Please take this origami
 and spare my life
 For I have children
 and a wonderful wife."

The troll just smiled
and a tear came to his eye
He started to laugh
then he started to cry.

"No one has ever given me
 such a beautiful gift
 It gives this mean old heart
 a much needed lift.

"I pledge to you now
 I'll change my ways
 Starting this moment
 will come friendlier days."

The troll and Humpty Dumpty
said their good-byes
With rainbows in their hearts
and tears in their eyes.





From: Leeh McArthur <Lamms@AOL.COM>
Date: 11 Sep 1999 20:22
Subject: Re: New model diagrams

Robert---

I am rolling on the floor laughing. Obviously I can relate to all you wrote
about the Pokemon phenomenon! I had tears in my eyes. But its not just for
3rd or 4th graders. My sons 13th birthday just occurred ( 9-9-99) and all his
birthday money has gone to Pokemon cards. Thanks for the diagram. I will be
folding this for him.

Leeh in Seattle
lamms@aol.com





From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM
Date: 11 Sep 1999 23:34
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: The Paper]]

Wow!  you are really organized.

Donna





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 00:09
Subject: Re: New model diagrams

There is already an Origami Pokemaon book in print, sold through such
places as Amazon.com. Actually from memory the book contains pre-patterned
paper, complete with face details, and you simply pull the the paper out
and fold along the dotted lines.

I also saw a Picachu amongst the Tanteidan photos recently published on
the web - was this yours Robert?

regards
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 00:56
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

I seem to remember seeing an idea similar to these trading cards, pictured
in an ORU magazine. I believe there was a feature on Peter Budai, and one
of the photos contained actual playing cards with pictires of models.
There was also what looked like heraldric origami desings representing the
various orgamisations eg OUSA, BOS (these were stand-alone, not printed on
cards).

Any more info regarding this?

regards
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 02:03
Subject: five-pointed star

Dear all,

I was looking through No. 15 ORU (Winter) magazine on the weekend, looking
at the photos and relying heavily on the "worth a thousand words" addage,
when I noticed a small christmas tree decorated entirely with origami (the
photo seemed to be taken in someones house). My question related to the
five-pointed star which topped the tree, and in smaller sizes decorated
the lower branches.

The star appeared to be modular, but I could be mistaken. Each of the
points had a mountain fold running down its centre, creating a slight 3D
effect. Such a simple,
elegant design, I can't help but feel I have seen the diagrams somewhere
before, but a fairly extensive search of my collection last night produced
nothing.

I have started experimenting with making my own unit for this model, but I
would still appreciate anyone pointing me in the direction of the original
design

regards
Michael

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 03:48
Subject: Re: New model diagrams

http://www.amazon.de/covers/1/56/931/391/1569313911.l.gif





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 04:03
Subject: Re: New model diagrams

Rjlang@AOL.COM wrote:
> to call my character "Spenjurmunni". If you want to fold it, I've sent it to
> the archives where Maarten should post it in a day or so. Look for a file
> called "Spenjurmunni.pdf". Have fun!

I suppose Maarten will put it in the 'pokemon' directory?





From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Friederike=20Noether?= <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 05:59
Subject: Re: Pokemon

Thank you. I finally know now what a pokemon is. I was wondering for weeks what
     it could be. Maybe here in Europe it is still in the beginning.
Actually I found sometime ago a diagram on a japanese site for something
     yellow, which looks like a tooncharacter. I guess it is a pokemon. Why
     don4t you have a look:
http://www.inaka.com/mori/50/o2.shtml
Try the second link under "LINE UP" and you get to the diagram.
Maybe it is something for your children.

<BR>Friederike <br>==============================<br>f_noether@yahoo.de
<br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail -
<a href="http://mail.yahoo.de">http://mail.yahoo.de</a>.<br>Yahoo!
Auktionen - gleich ausprobieren - <a href="http://auktionen.yahoo.de">http://auk
     tionen.yahoo.de</a>.<br>





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 06:01
Subject: ATTENTION: Results of the International Origami Butterfly Exhibition

Hello Everybody,

I'm just back on the List to announce the results of the International
Origami Butterfly Competition and Exhibition (organised by Origami Sverige,
Haga
Parken AB and Origami Paper OPP AB).

First of all, (just to thrill the brains) the statistics: more than 100
butterflies arrived from 14 countries. There was also a report about the
exhibition broadcasted in Swedish television.

And now...

The jury's decision is the following:

                 --------------------------------------

First price is shared by David Derudas (Italy) and Lionel Albertino
(France), both competing with their own designs. It was impossible to
choose between the models, so both of them is invited to the 2nd
Scandinavian Origami Meeting.

The second price (one year free membership in Origami Sverige plus 1 kg
quality origami paper from Origami Paper OPP AB) goes to Jan Fodor from
Hawaii (USA) who competed with a composition (two butterflies on a stone)
of Michael La Fosse (USA).

The third price (1 kg quality origami paper plus an origami butterfly jewel
made by Antonieta Andreozzi) goes to Jos Arley Moreno (Colombia) who
competed with a model of Eduardo Clemente (Spain).

                 --------------------------------------

All the butterfly models are going to be on display during the convention,
too. This convention will be very special one. Many people will come from
all around the world and many from Sweden as well. Just to cite some
interesting names, Robert Lang and Alfredo Giunta (special guests), Lionel
Albertino and David Derudas (as you know, the winners of the competition),
David Brill and Vicente Palacios. (By the way, I am going, too.) And it is
not late for you, neither! Convention reservations can be made online at
Origami Papr OPP AB's website at

www.origamipaper.com

Well, hope to see you in Stockholm!

Peter Budai





From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:44
Subject: Re: An Origami Revolution!

-----Original Message-----
> From: Ian McRobbie

>   Okay, okay.  I know many of you will disagree with this post but I am
>hoping that many of you will also agree.
>   Mr. Lang's post about his pokemon design finally motivated me to say
this.
> WE NEED AN ORIGAMI REVOLUTION!!  I can't tell you how tired I am of
folding
>animal after animal.  The big guys such as Lang and Montroll are constantly
>creating more and more animal models.  What a relief that Mr. Lang has
>created a cartoon character!!  (THANKS MR. LANG!!) Book after book that
comes
>out are mainly for animal models that have been folded and refolded.
Animal
>models have been done to death!  Im am really getting bored of folding
>animals.
>   Why not characters?!?  From cartoons.  Or movies.  I am also very
pleased
>to see many people on the list are creating star wars models.  KEEP IT UP!!
>You are the diamonds in the rough!  I am in love with The
>Transformers(remember they were big in the 80's?), and robots, and
machines.

I agree, one criteria I use for designing a new model is wether anyone else
has done it before.

I have designed quite a few characters from the muppets and Sesame street. I
wasn't going to make them available until I had permission to use the
characters, but I'm getting a bit fed up waiting for replies from the
copyright holders. So I may just make my designs available anyway. Perhaps I
should follow mr Lang's example and not mention their names. Anybody
interested in 'comedy frog' , 'pig in a dress' and 'seven foor tall yellow
bird'?





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:46
Subject: Re: five-pointed star

>
>The star appeared to be modular, but I could be mistaken. Each of the
>points had a mountain fold running down its centre, creating a slight 3D
>effect. Such a simple,
>elegant design, I can't help but feel I have seen the diagrams somewhere
>before, but a fairly extensive search of my collection last night produced
>nothing.

>Michael
>

Sounds like the one diagrammed in Paul Jackson's Classic Origami.  I
haven't seen the pictures in Oru, though.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 11:34
Subject: NO: WebTV & Plug-ins

I had already written to Dorothy about plugins privately, before
I saw the messages that she is using WebTV.

[Are web TV'ers (and other users of these cable Internet connections)
able to print, or just look?]

As for not having plug-in use capability, seems to me this would
be a MAJOR MINUS for these internet access schemes, since PDF
format files are rapidly rivaling MSWord format for documents on
the web, being increasingly used by US government sites as
well as businesses for all kinds of longer information on the Web.

Sounds to me like Dorothy and all the rest of the cable-type
Internet users need to get on their vendors' case and threaten
to go elsewhere for their Internet provider if they don't get
a software update ASAP so that can at least open PDF documents, even
if they can't print them.

As for Kenny's problem with AOL instant messages, if he can access
the "My AOL" online user setup area, he can use the "Parental
Controls" section to block all Instant Messages addressed to his
screen name. Personally, I find IM's a blasted nuisance, even if
they don't crash my system.

Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 11:43
Subject: Fold A Day Calendar

For folders in the Sacramento California area who prefer
to support local independent booksellers rather than
the mega-store chains, the Fold A Day origami calendar is
available at The Avid Reader stores.

Valerie Vann





From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 11:51
Subject: NO: A4 paper in the US

One problem with European size paper I run into all the time
at work (where I'm responsible for a large company library)
is that it sticks out of the top of binders and catalogs and
other A4 size publications sometimes are too tall for our
bookshelves. Even for a "small" company like ours, converting
would be a massive expense of time, resources and money.

A US government agency tried to change papersizes several years
ago, and the first thing we and others who received their
documents did was photocopy the whole thing on "standard" paper
so we could use them. This resulted in such a massive waste
of paper and time that the agency gave up and went back to
using the old size.

Valerie Vann





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 12:47
Subject: Re: Fold A Day Calendar

>For folders in the Sacramento California area who prefer
>to support local independent booksellers rather than
>the mega-store chains, the Fold A Day origami calendar is
>available at The Avid Reader stores.
>
>Valerie Vann

I love the Avid Reader!  They can order a book in a couple of days where as
Borders will take a week or two (which means they have it they're just to
lazy to getting around to telling you!)  Let's boycott these big chain
stores who are destroying the quality of life!

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 1999 14:29
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Dave Mitchell wrote:

> Simple? Well, I guess everything's simple in hindsight! But you have to have
> the mental agility to think of it at the time. And that's about the hardest
> thing there is!
>
> Philip Shen deserves credit for having changed a very ordinary piece of
> modular origami into a great one - even if the extra folding itself is
> simple (which was probably what Michael really mean't to say)

Yes, that is what I meant to say. But the comment about hindsight is
also relevant, since that is normally when most of us get the opportunity
to judge the "originality" of a creator's work. I fully agree that just
because something seems "simple" in hindsight doesn't mean it's not truly
"creative" -- but doesn't that complicate the issue of defining the difference
between "truly creative" and "a variation"?

> . . .Is this how it happened? I'd always assumed that XYZ
> was an independent discovery which just happens to bear this straightforward
> relationship to Robert Neale's model.

For the record, I have no idea how it happened -- I noticed the relationship
several years ago, but before then I had never heard anyone else compare the
two models. I do know that Dr. Neale did extensive explorations of the
modular possiblities of the waterbomb base, both ring-based and sphere-based
(in particular, he invented a 12-piece version of the 12-pointed Omega Star);
much of this, alas, has never been published as far as I know. For someone
with his talent, the six-piece ornament seems like a fairly obvious model
(of course, in hindsight) -- more obvious than the "XYZ", so it's hard for
me to imagine that the latter was invented first. Since both models were
published in "The Flapping Bird", with Neale's earlier, I'd be surprised if
he and Sullivan were unaware of each other's work (but this is all pure
speculation on my part. . .).

> The way I look at the difference between variation and originality is that
> originality always involves a sideways jump of insight or intuition.

Does this mean that the only "originality" was shown by Jack Skillman (credited
with making the first model out of identical components), and that everyone
since, from Neale and Sullivan to Sonobe and Fuse, have simply been doing
variations
on the theme?

Mike Naughton





From: Rakostar@AOL.COM
Date: 12 Sep 1999 15:56
Subject: Re: five-pointed star

I think the star you're talking about is diagrammed in Paul Jackson's Classic
Origami. He says that the star is Nick Robinson's and can have any number of
points greater than two.  The diagram has five points.
                                                                   Rae
