




From: origami <listaori@JET.ES>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 08:45
Subject: Bahamnt in Tanteidan 5Th ???

Hi all

Can anyone say me if is possible to get  the pic of The model "Bahamnt" ?by
     Satoshi Kamiya on pages 141 to 155 from Tanteidan 5Th, I visited  the
     follow website ,but I cant see it. Thanks all.

http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/origami_index.htm

Yours Sincerely

Fco Ignacio Molina Gomez
President of Gaditano Origami Group
e-mail:igmolina@jet.es
http://web.jet.es/igmolina





From: Rob Hudson <FashFold@AOL.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 09:02
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

That's all we need--  then we'd have Lang tossing  three or four limited
edition "Black Forest Cuckoo Clock" cards into the mix so the value would
appreciate, somebody would print the Cerceda pig with Yoshizawa's name
underneath it, and all hell would break loose.

Of course, we'd also have the after-hours folders at convention drooling even
more than usual, clustered around tables playing the card game (you can't
have collectible cards without some sort of game).  Some kid would get into
it with Eric Joisel about whether his Armadillo beats Joseph Wu's, and we'd
have a fistfight on our hands.

Rob "been to too many bad fantasy cons" Hudson





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 10:05
Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Calendar

Carol Martinson indited:

> I wasn't going to reply to the list, but then I figured there were other
> people out there who also would like the information.

Yes, there are!

> The calendar is called the:
>
> Easy Origami Fold-a-Day Calendar year  2000 (or Easy Origami Calendar 2000 -
     it's listed both ways)
>
> compiled by Margaret Van Sicklen and written by Sarah Van Sicklen
>
> ISBN 1-57939-050-1

Interestingly enough, I cannot find this on www.alldirect.com,
www.powells.com, nor on www.amazon.com - if B&N and Border's has it, I can't
imagine its a limited distribution.... Hopefully it'll come to amazon.com
soon, and we can all submit reviews for it!

Thanks Carol!

-D'gou





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 10:45
Subject: Re: Origami collectable trading cards

David Whitbeck wrote:
"Collectables: photos of the model folded by the
creator.  I can just imagine saying something like that to someone who
doesn't fold to get the response "God folds origami!?""

Well, who says God doesn't fold origami?
Go and take a look at the geologic strata in the mountains (can you fold
granite?), or leaves and flower petals in their buds (can you pack anything
so neatly?), the lines in the face of an old man or woman (can you fold
anything so expressive?), the waves of the sea (if that's not wet folding,
what is?), the structure of crystals (originals for modular origami!)....
I'll leave you to think of other examples....:-)

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Valerie Kull <VKull@ENVIRONCORP.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 11:21
Subject: Creativity Criteria

        While we're discussing original models vs. variations, and how
"original" an original model should be, let's not forget the development of
themes. My understanding is that in music, once the composer has thought up
a melody, or a beat, or whatever, the rest of the piece will develop the
idea. My husband, who composes, tells me that one mark of great composers is
in their skill and creativity in developing a theme.
        Many of Tomoko Fuse's box diagrams do exactly that. After creating a
new box, she presents -- sometimes as distinct models -- variations from
changing the direction of joining the modules, adding an extra flap, adding
a knob or a twist-fold to the top, et cetera. Often each of the boxes she
presents as distinct are really the same except for details. I have always
felt that one of Fuse's strengths is her thorough exploration of her models.
She has taught me a lot about how to do this.
        I know there are many people of this list who enjoy making that
exploration on their own, so they can find an extra joy in an entirely
"original" model (if we can decide what exactly that means). Some have
commented on how much they like challenges to the reader to modify a model
in a particular way (which I see as taking the middle road in how much model
development to add to a book). I think there is also a lot to enjoy and
learn in watching a masterful development of the possibilities of a model. I
don't believe that variations of models are necessarily less worthy of
publication. Seeing the development of a series of animals from one base, or
a demonstration of the inherent possibilities of a model can be very
interesting. I think a lot of other folders would agree.

Valerie





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 11:56
Subject: Divine wrinkles

Julia eloquently offered:

>Well, who says God doesn't fold origami?
>Go and take a look at the geologic strata in the mountains (can you fold
>granite?), or leaves and flower petals in their buds (can you pack anything
>so neatly?), the lines in the face of an old man or woman (can you fold
>anything so expressive?), the waves of the sea (if that's not wet folding,
>what is?), the structure of crystals (originals for modular origami!)....
>I'll leave you to think of other examples....:-)

    He leaves the diagramming to scientists. Unless you live in Kansas.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"I still don't have a quote to put here"





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 12:02
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Valerie Kull writes:

I think there is also a lot to enjoy and
learn in watching a masterful development of the possibilities of a model.
I
don't believe that variations of models are necessarily less worthy of
publication.

When I first brought up the question of originals and variations, I never
said that variations of a model were less worthy of publication. I said
that it is easier to create a lot of variations on one model than to come
up with an entirely new model, and that the latter is more satisfying if
one wants to evaluate creativity.
Having said this, I agree about the value of exploring variations, both as
a way to learn and as a way to create something new, and I think it might
be interesting to find books in which models were presented by base groups,
e.g. ten different models starting from the Fish Base (or however many of
whichever base you want). Does anyone know whether anything like this
actually exists?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: P Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 12:48
Subject: Re: Marc Kirschennbaum's Starship Enterprise

Shalom LeVine wrote:
>
> Is there a better diagram for this model than the hand drawn ones I found on
> the web? I looked on Marc's website, but it's not listed there. I really
> want to fold this for a StarTrek fanatic friend, but the hand drawn pages
> are almost unreadable!
>
> Shalom

I did do a bit of work on those diagrams for my own use and translated
the chicken scratches to text, but I have no permission to do anything
with it, though if Marc didn't mind I would be happy to send you a copy
of them via e-mail.

Perry





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 13:12
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Julia Palffy indited:
\> Having said this, I agree about the value of exploring variations, both as
> a way to learn and as a way to create something new, and I think it might
> be interesting to find books in which models were presented by base groups,
> e.g. ten different models starting from the Fish Base (or however many of
> whichever base you want). Does anyone know whether anything like this
> actually exists?

At least one book does. Its either New Origami or Essential Origami (both are
by Steve and Megumi Biddle). I don't have them with me at work to check which
one (or maybe both?). Whichever book(s) it is, they have a one page picture,
like a family tree, which shows the "base" and the branches and sub-branchs,
of the models that are "base"d on the starting base. ;-)

I seem to recall that there are others. Certainly Engel's AngelFish to Zen
book has lots of text about the "modules" which make up the traditional bases,
but I don't recall that he has shown or grouped anything like the Biddles
have.

I have seen several beginner's books (none of the titles spring immediately to
mind) which are organized that way. I think Paul Jackson has one (The Complete
Origami Course?) which is grouped by "technique" (reverse folds, sinks,
pleating) (Sorry Paul, I may have the wrong book, and the wrong grouping
names, I'm doing this from memory).

-D'gou





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 13:14
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

In a message dated 9/8/99 7:43:59 AM, dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET writes:

<< We could carry them around in plastic
card containers and trade them at conventions!  How cool is that!
We could also have a special limited edition gold card series; a photograph
of a person connected to origami (a creator or other famous personality). >>

That would be cool! and, so organized. You could print them out on instant
business card laser printer paper (or card size), and then there is
Self-adhesive laminating sheets by Avery. Nothing is saying we can't start
making our own collections. Then, start the trading!
Best wishes, Kelly





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 13:20
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Kelly Dunn indited:

> That would be cool! and, so organized. You could print them out on instant
> business card laser printer paper (or card size), and then there is
> Self-adhesive laminating sheets by Avery. Nothing is saying we can't start
> making our own collections. Then, start the trading!

Cool indeed. Of course, the killerest coolest cards are the ones which are
actually origami themselves (lamination is OK, that'll keep the folded edges
from tearing as the cards are handled, which they will be much more than
"ordinary" origami is usually handled).

Yeah, A card with a photo of Lang's Black Forest Cherry Cake Cuckoo Clock and
Birthday Cake would be rare indeed. Much more rare is the card that LaFosse
hisself folded into a butterfly montage!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

-D'gou





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 13:50
Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Calendar

--- Doug Philips  wrote:

> Interestingly enough, I cannot find this on
> www.alldirect.com,
> www.powells.com, nor on www.amazon.com - if B&N and
> Border's has it, I can't
> imagine its a limited distribution.... Hopefully
> it'll come to amazon.com
> soon, and we can all submit reviews for it!

I couldn't find it on any logical source, either.  I
asked someone that I work with who knows how to find
unusual calendars how to find it, and all  he said was
that  it should have an ISBN, but I couldn't find
that.

I found it by walking into a Barnes and Nobles on
Monday and searching their calendar section.  It's in
a box approximately 6" by 6".  I took the information
I sent to the list off the calendar itself.  With that
information, you should be able to order the calendar
through a bookstore.

After reading Doug's note, I searched the online Books
in Print by ISBN and could not find it.  Then I tried
Amazon.com.  No luck.  Finally I searched the Barnes
and Noble Web site.  The only way you can find it
there is to know the ISBN or to painfully read through
every entry under the keyword of "origami".  Here is
the Barnes and Noble entry from their Web page.  It
looks as if you will need this information (or at
least the ISBN) to order it through Barnes and Noble,
and all the other information I sent earlier to order
it from someplace else.  You might have to actually
order it directly from the publisher, as indicated by
the note on the Barnes and Noble entry.

Cal 00 Origami Box
S. Share
<Picture>
<Picture: Bookcover>
<Picture><Picture>Our Price: $11.95
Special Order: Ships 3-5 weeks
ISBN: 1579390501
Pub. Date: July  1999
<Picture: .>
Please note: This title needs to be ordered directly
with the publisher and usually ships within 3-5 weeks.
There are occasions where the titles may go out of
print or the publishers may no longer carry stock. If
we cannot fill your order, we will notify you within
1-2 weeks.

<Picture: .>

Good luck,

Carol Martinson

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 14:08
Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Calendar

Don't be silly people it's right here at Borders, the store that kicks ass:

http://search.borders.com/fcgi-bin/db2www/search/search.d2w/Details?&mediaTy
pe=Book&prodID=51350046

All I did was type in easy origami since that was the name of the calander
and I got it in a few seconds!

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 14:49
Subject: Group order for Oriland

I'm about to send my group order for the Oriland CD's. There is a new one
called "100 Oriland Origami Originals." You can find a chart with all the
models and the level of difficulty at their original site.
                                <www.origami.aaanet.ru>
It  has all the information on the CD's and you can place your order to me
there or to me here, privately please. They are also offering their book of
useful objects and decorations for the desk. $8 US will get you one post paid.
The CD's are $30 each with $5 shipping for the first and $1 for each additional
ordered  together. "Skeleton's Team" and "100 Oriland Origami Originals" are
complete and ready to send but "Oribana" will take another two months or so.

Let's support these amazingly talented and generous folders.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 16:49
Subject: Re: Animal Origami for the enthused paperfolder

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> So now I ask you Montroll fans and anti-Montroll
> fans alike what is your opinion of Animal Origami
 and any comments on my
> overt, blatant disgusting attack on one of the most revered origami books
> in print by one of the most revered origami authors out there!
>
> David
> ps note if you are fuming mad slam your fist into the wall before you flame
     me.
>

Actually, I find your comments puzzling.  Your comparing Montroll's
earlier work, to his later work and finding it inferior.  Well....
Duhhhh!!!  It's like complaining that David Lynch's Erasehead, doesn't
have the production values of Lost Highway.  How can you expect an
author to measure up to work he has not yet created?

Much fairer would be to compare Animal Origami for the Enthusiast, with
other books available, at the time it was first publish.  At the time,
it seems to me, there were basically two kinds of models available.
Simple models that didn't look much like the real thing.  And very
complex models that required folding thick layers of paper into
impossibly tight configurations, and even then, when you finished them
they looked really shabby.  The draw of AOftE was that it had very
realistic animals that were very foldable.  After being extremely
frustrated that I couldn't finish the Scorpion in Folding the Universe,
I was elated that I could fold Montroll's Lobster, and my model looked
like a lobster.

Besides, my favorite elephant is still the one in AOftE.  I know its
flat, blimpish, and bulky, but there is just something really cool about
it.  And the frog is awesome, it was the first model I came across with
toes.  And the look on its face is great.  Oh, oh, oh, and the turtle!
Isn't that just a kick to fold?

So why don't you hold your powder, and wait for Making Origami come to
Life, to come out, and compare that to some of his EARLIER works.  Them
we can flame you properly.

Incidentally, John Montroll would probably be the first to agree with
your assessment.  I seem to recall that during ORCA, he commented that
he was amazed at how popular AOftE still is, even though when he looks
at it now, the models seem rather klunky.

Oh yeah,  If you didn't like Animal Origami for the Enthusiast, you will
hate Origami for the Enthusiast, that grasshopper was murder!

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Beth Francis <bfrancis@CWIXMAIL.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 16:51
Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Calendar

The isbn # for the calendar is: 1579390501. The author is Share, S.

The Barnes and Noble here said that they could not take special orders for
calendars. Good luck.

Beth Francis





From: Valerie Kull <VKull@ENVIRONCORP.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 17:25
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

I think all the models in Montroll's Favorite Animals in Origami are made
from only one or two bases. However, I don't believe the book discusses
inter-relationships between its models. In addition, Origami for the
Connossier (I'm sure that's not how it's spelled) has a two-page spread
showing the astonishingly wide range of models available from the bird base.
At least, I think so. I don't have either book at hand to check.

Anyway, Julia, thank you for that gracious reply. You're right, creativity
can't be evaluated just from counting the number of models produced, without
looking at how similar they are to each other. I just wouldn't want anyone
to feel discouraged from trying to (say) publish a series of models from one
base, since I agree with Julia that it would make a neat theme for a book
(harking back to another recent thread. Naturally, my interest would grow
exponentially with the creativity and range with which the base was
developed.)

Valerie Kull





From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@CISCO.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 17:54
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

At 02:24 PM 9/6/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>If you take a look at
>
>http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/origami_index.htm
>

I get no response at all from this link. Is anyone else having this problem?

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com
http://www.employees.org/~jmarcoli/





From: lwhitney <lwhitney@GATEWAY.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 18:31
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

I was able to open the link, but not able to read it.  It had one page of
signs and symbols.





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 18:51
Subject: Re: Animal Origami for the enthused paperfolder

Thanks Kim for the reply!  You have good points.  I've checked out Origami
for the enthused paper maniac and folded the grasshopper, actually that
was the only model I folded in that book.  It was easy and elegant and it
wasn't thick, I really liked it, and it's okay for me for the model to be
flat because grasshoppers are pretty thin.  I can't wait for his new book!

David





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 18:59
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

The status line over the links is in english!

David





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 20:48
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

At 02:43 AM 99-09-08 CDT, you wrote:
 Just then I thought, "Why not an
>Origami Collectable Card Series?"  That would be cool!  On the front the
>cards would have a nice photograph of an origami model and on the back
>they would have categories like............

I love it!   There are actually collectable cards by artists--I have a set
by Vincent diFate.  Why not origami?

                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 20:58
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Valerie Kull wrote:

> Anyway, Julia, thank you for that gracious reply. You're right, creativity
> can't be evaluated just from counting the number of models produced, without
> looking at how similar they are to each other. I just wouldn't want anyone
> to feel discouraged from trying to (say) publish a series of models from one
> base, since I agree with Julia that it would make a neat theme for a book
> (harking back to another recent thread. Naturally, my interest would grow
> exponentially with the creativity and range with which the base was
> developed.)
>
> Valerie Kull

In the rest of the art world we would call variations on a theme a series which
is not only done, but often displayed together so that both the similarities and
the differences show more clearly. I don't think that creativity can be
evaluated outside of the creator's head. Only you know what you discovered by
creating a sculpture. It's effect on the viewer is the only thing that we can
evaluate... as viewers, that is. So one person is not moved and another is, and
all artwork is like that. The next sentence would be in cryptic artspeak, so I
will refrain.

Innovation and expression are not the same thing. An artwork can have both,
either or neither. I find both to be valuable at times, which is my very
personal opinion. I suppose it all goes to what we think the purpose of art is,
probably different for different people. Read any random art magazine to read
these very arguments applied to work from various media.

Kim





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:10
Subject: Calendar at B Dalton

I got off work a little early today and stopped at the local mall.  The B
     Dalton's there had many copies of the Easy Origami calendar.  Waldenbooks
     did not have any.

Beth Francis is right in that Barnes and Noble lists S Share as the author, but
     nowhere on the calendar does it mention S Share.  I clicked on the hot
     link for S Share who turns out to have been very busy this year, having
     written over 200 other calendars

Since B Daltons is a division of Barnes and Noble and Waldenbook's is a dision
     of Border's, as far as I know, they may all eventually get the calendar.
     Anyway, a different bookstore may be willing to get it for you, or you
     could try ordering it directly
 rom the publisher.

Carol Martinson





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:31
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Julia Palffy indited:
\> Having said this, I agree about the value of exploring variations, both
as
> a way to learn and as a way to create something new, and I think it might
> be interesting to find books in which models were presented by base
groups,
> e.g. ten different models starting from the Fish Base (or however many of
> whichever base you want). Does anyone know whether anything like this
> actually exists?

For a basic teaching tool on the usefulness of bases, the Nippon Origami
Association's 'text book', origami, is very useful.  It is very simple, but
demonstrates how one base can lead to may folds.  In addition, if you fulfil
the (simple) criteria and submit all the models you can get their teaching
certificate - it looks really good in one's VC under qualifications!

Clare





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 22:41
Subject: Origami calendar at Borders etc.

Hi all,

I've spotted this Origami calendar at my local mall
in one of the kiosks selling just calendars as well
as at Borders book store, so I'm glad to see it's
available at more places than Barnes & Noble.  I got
one as a gift for a friend and one for myself.

Cheers,
Ria





From: hecht <hecht@CWIX.COM>
Date: 08 Sep 1999 23:20
Subject: "New" simple diagram available

Not a new model, just a nice technique for cutting dollar-proportioned
rectangles from a square or 8.5" x 11" rectangle.  Since I often recommend
using a larger 3 x 7 rectangle for your first attempt at a complex dollar
fold, I felt compelled.

(Thanks to Gay Merrill Gross for showing me this at ORCA.)

The URL is:  http://www.serve.com/hecht/origami/origami.htm

I appreciate feedback regarding:
    A.  problems browsing the site
    B.  clarity of the diagrams (graphical and textual)
    C.  errors and oversights
    D.  ideas for improvements/variations in the models

--Steve Hecht





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 01:08
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

To elaborate more on variations: Brahms' Themes on a Variation by Haydn
(which amusingly is what he thought was Haydn but wasn't), and his Themes
on a Variation by Handel.  Now you have concrete examples of variations in
art that are considered original.

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 01:53
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

But aren't those lyric examples? Concrete ones would be Michael Krakow's work,
     I think.

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> To elaborate more on variations: Brahms' Themes on a Variation by Haydn
> (which amusingly is what he thought was Haydn but wasn't), and his Themes
> on a Variation by Handel.  Now you have concrete examples of variations in
> art that are considered original.
>
> David
>
> "Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
> far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
> and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:03
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

In a message dated 9/9/99 12:59:40 AM, atsina@HOOKED.NET writes:

<< I don't think that creativity can be
evaluated outside of the creator's head. Only you know what you discovered by
creating a sculpture. >>
I disagree, which is only my opinion, but I think it's possible to discover
what was in the creator's head, and that possibly that is the reason for the
creation. Not for the creator to discover something, but to express to others
what is already understood by them. For example, Georgia O'Keefe said she
painted flowers really big because people didn't stop to look at them, (and
that made her sad) and look how detailed and what beauty of detail was in
them. She thought if they were big then maybe people would stop and look at
them.
So, I think we think oppositely.
Best wishes, Kelly





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:15
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

>But aren't those lyric examples? Concrete ones would be Michael Krakow's
>work, I think.

When is music not art?  It's just as concrete as something visual.

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:17
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

>In a message dated 9/9/99 12:59:40 AM, atsina@HOOKED.NET writes:
>
><< I don't think that creativity can be
>evaluated outside of the creator's head. Only you know what you discovered by
>creating a sculpture. >>
>I disagree, which is only my opinion, but I think it's possible to discover
>what was in the creator's head, and that possibly that is the reason for the
>creation. Not for the creator to discover something, but to express to others
>what is already understood by them. For example, Georgia O'Keefe said she
>painted flowers really big because people didn't stop to look at them, (and
>that made her sad) and look how detailed and what beauty of detail was in
>them. She thought if they were big then maybe people would stop and look at
>them.
>So, I think we think oppositely.
>Best wishes, Kelly

They can also express a way of seeing something in a way not thought of
before even if it was quite possible to do that.

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 03:12
Subject: Re: Animal Origami for the enthused paperfolder

Maybe, but it's still my favourite Grasshopper model to date.
It's just got that grasshopper essence to it that gives it the edge over
Robert Lang's models in my opinion.

> -----Original Message-----
<SNIP>
> Oh yeah,  If you didn't like Animal Origami for the Enthusiast, you will
> hate Origami for the Enthusiast, that grasshopper was murder!
>
> --
> Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                     *          Origamist:         *
> Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
> 420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
> Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 04:38
Subject: Re: Animal Origami for the enthused paperfolder

>Maybe, but it's still my favourite Grasshopper model to date.
>It's just got that grasshopper essence to it that gives it the edge over
>Robert Lang's models in my opinion.

ah yes, but Ronald Koh's looks better, I don't know how if the folding
sequence is as elegant as Montroll's though (no criticism Ronald!)  I have
to say I hope I didn't offend anyone with my harsh attack of Animal Origami
for the Enthusiast. I was simply dissapointed.  I can't wait to see if
Bringing Origami to Life will give Origami Sculptures a run for its
money!!!!!

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:24
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM> sez

>Yeah, A card with a photo of Lang's Black Forest Cherry Cake Cuckoo Clock and
>Birthday Cake would be rare indeed.

Try this one...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

--Boundary_(ID_Dr5Oq6T4yJ07yx1xxck+KA)--





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:24
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez

>Wouldn't it be fun! I might consider collecting these cards ;-)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

--Boundary_(ID_1I5/A2ULNNlBxfEBslNEDg)--





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:26
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Julia Palffy wrote:
> Having said this, I agree about the value of exploring variations, both as
> a way to learn and as a way to create something new, and I think it might
> be interesting to find books in which models were presented by base groups,
> e.g. ten different models starting from the Fish Base (or however many of
> whichever base you want). Does anyone know whether anything like this
> actually exists?

Pham Dinh Tuyen does this in the two books I have. He uses some
traditional bases, but mostly creates his own, and then presents a few
models based on each base. Neat stuff, btw, esp. his second book.

All the best,
Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:26
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

Another example is "Die Kunst der Fuge". Nothing but variations...

Matthias

david whitbeck wrote:
> To elaborate more on variations: Brahms' Themes on a Variation by Haydn
> (which amusingly is what he thought was Haydn but wasn't), and his Themes
> on a Variation by Handel.  Now you have concrete examples of variations in
> art that are considered original.





From: "Jonathan J. Picker" <Verdigris@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 09:59
Subject: Re: Mr. Yamaguchi's & Tanteidan Convention Books For Sale!

At 12:30 PM 9/2/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>Also available (limited quantity) is the Tanteidan 4th Convention Book.  This
>book is 192 pages long and contains clear diagrams for 51 origami models
>which are again, mostly intermediate to complex level.  The contents are
>similar to the Tanteidan's 5th convention book in that many of the models are
>not available anywhere else.  If you are interested, I suggest that you place
>your order right away as there are only about twenty copies left!   Cost:
>$22.00

Are you serving as a intermediary for this as well?  Let me know if you are
and I will send you a check straight away.  Thanks.

*********
Jonathan J. Picker
Verdigris@earthlink.net





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:18
Subject: Re: "New" simple diagram available

Steve Hecht indited:

> Not a new model, just a nice technique for cutting dollar-proportioned
> rectangles from a square or 8.5" x 11" rectangle.  Since I often recommend
> using a larger 3 x 7 rectangle for your first attempt at a complex dollar
> fold, I felt compelled.
>
> (Thanks to Gay Merrill Gross for showing me this at ORCA.)

COOL!

Of course, I wondered, how could that work? After a bit of thought, of course,
the angle across the diagonal of a rectangle (square is just a special case)
is the key thing. The key relationship is between the ratio of the sides of
the rectangle and the tangent of the diagonal angle...  Which means (I'm sure
I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) that
11.25 degress (45 degrees, divided in half to give 22.5 (the dollar bill
reference crease, then divided in half again to give 11.25) seems to give a
very good approximation of 5ths (if you start with a square). If you start
with a rectangle other than a square, you'll get some number of 1x5 strips,
n'est-ce pas?

-D'gou





From: origami <listaori@JET.ES>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:34
Subject: To contact with Japanese folder

Hi all:

I am problems with some Japanese information , I need to contact with Japanese
     people, which understand Japanese Character, My goal is to publish a TATO
     `s book inspired in some designs by Michio Uchiyama.

Can anyone help me?

Thanks a million

_______________________
Fco Ignacio Molina Gomez
President of Gaditano Origami Group
e-mail:igmolina@jet.es
http://web.jet.es/igmolina





From: origami <listaori@JET.ES>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:34
Subject: e-mail of OUSA?

Hi all

I need Know Which is The e-mail of OUSA, I want subscribe to This organization,
     but I want pay
Throught a international money order and I need contact with Them, Could you
     help me?.

Thanks yours

Fco Ignacio Molina Gomez
President of Gaditano Origami Group
e-mail:igmolina@jet.es
http://web.jet.es/igmolina





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 11:56
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Nick Robinson wrote:
>
> Try this one...

Very nice indeed! Maybe we should all stop folding for awhile and try
our hand at origami card designing, huh? Any volunteers for putting up
an origami card wedpage?





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 12:21
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

I didn't have any problem accessing the page mentioned by Carmine Di
Chiara: http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/kaiju.htm - but all I got was
pictures, no text (unless the rows of little squares were originally titles
to the pictures). But when I tried the URL John Marcolina mentions
http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/origami_index.htm, I only got those
little squares.
My guess is that the site was written entirely in Japanese, which the
Internet or computer system then transcribes as it can into our writing
system, hence the weird symbols. I've seen it several times when looking up
Japanese websites.
Either there's an URL for an English version, but we can't read it, or else
the people who set up the site forgot to give us an English version
altogether. I hope someone will settle the problem...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 12:25
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

In a message dated 9/9/99 11:27:57 AM, nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

<< Try this one...

all the best,

Nick Robinson
 >>

That is so cool!! Now, we have our first one! I'm laughing, you made my day!
Kelly





From: Alex Barber <barber@THE-VILLAGE.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 12:27
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Ronald Koh-

>Very nice indeed! Maybe we should all stop folding for awhile and try
>our hand at origami card designing, huh? Any volunteers for putting up
>an origami card wedpage?

I am currently in the throes of reworking my site - there might be room in
it for a new section of origami cards. "Collect them all! Trade with your
friends!"  If people are serious about this I have room on the site.

Now we just need to find some nice programmer to make a color Gameboy game
to trade cards. Or even better (or worse), mix Pokemon with origami -
conventions would have groups of former folders now addicted to playing
each others' origami models against each other. "Dude, your Kawahata T-rex
can never beat my Lang Cuckoo Clock!" ;)

Alex Barber
barber@the-village.com | http://www.the-village.com





From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM
Date: 09 Sep 1999 14:04
Subject: Re: Mr. Yamaguchi's & Tanteidan Convention Books For Sale!

In a message dated 9/9/99 10:00:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Verdigris@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< Are you serving as a intermediary for this as well?  Let me know if you are
 and I will send you a check straight away.  Thanks.
  >>
Dear Jonathan,

Yes.  Apparently 50% of the people on this list are confused about this.
When I sent out the announcement I thought it was clear that I was accepting
orders for the new books as well as the JOAS membership.

Please send me your check soon as I am placing an order to Mr. Yamaguchi in
the next day or so.  If your check isn't here by then, don't worry.  I have a
number of orders coming in and yours will be added to it before the end of
the month  :)

Sincerely,

June Sakamoto





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 14:29
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

>I didn't have any problem accessing the page mentioned by Carmine Di
>Chiara: http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/kaiju.htm - but all I got was
>pictures, no text (unless the rows of little squares were originally titles
>to the pictures). But when I tried the URL John Marcolina mentions
>http://origami.gr.jp/Etc/conv99Mizuno/origami_index.htm, I only got those
>little squares.
>My guess is that the site was written entirely in Japanese, which the
>Internet or computer system then transcribes as it can into our writing
>system, hence the weird symbols. I've seen it several times when looking up
>Japanese websites.
>Either there's an URL for an English version, but we can't read it, or else
>the people who set up the site forgot to give us an English version
>altogether. I hope someone will settle the problem...
>
>Julia Palffy
>Zug, Switzerland
>jupalffy@bluewin.ch

It's not important: put your mouse above a link, on the bottom says the
link and word animal, etc. is in english.  In the cs lab I checked out the
site which put up the real characters instead of ??? stuff, that's cool.

David

"Recognition of the limitations, as well as the capabilities, of reason is
far more beneficial than blind trust, which can lead to false ideologies
and even destruction."  --Morris Kline





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 15:34
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

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From: bill hirsh <bhirsh@AUSTIN.RR.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 15:57
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Barber <barber@THE-VILLAGE.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

> Ronald Koh-
>
> >Very nice indeed! Maybe we should all stop folding for awhile and try
> >our hand at origami card designing, huh? Any volunteers for putting up
> >an origami card wedpage?
>
> I am currently in the throes of reworking my site - there might be room in
> it for a new section of origami cards. "Collect them all! Trade with your
> friends!"  If people are serious about this I have room on the site.
>
> Now we just need to find some nice programmer to make a color Gameboy game
> to trade cards. Or even better (or worse), mix Pokemon with origami -
> conventions would have groups of former folders now addicted to playing
> each others' origami models against each other. "Dude, your Kawahata T-rex
> can never beat my Lang Cuckoo Clock!" ;)
>
> Alex Barber
> barber@the-village.com | http://www.the-village.com

hi this is Bill Hirsh in the fueture i might br your programmer and alsoadd
somethigng so you can make origami in the gameboy cart





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 16:04
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

Julia Palffy wrote:
> Either there's an URL for an English version, but we can't read it, or else
> the people who set up the site forgot to give us an English version
> altogether. I hope someone will settle the problem...

It's the official Japan Origami Academic Society site; why should it be
in English?

Matthias Gutfeldt





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 16:06
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

At 10:58 AM 99-09-09 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Try this one...
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>

Ooooooooo....Aaahhhhh.....
So when are you putting these on the market?  I can't wait to be the first
on by block with Oricards.

                Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: kppm1 <kppm1@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 18:10
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

how in the world do i get off the damn e mail list
-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:10:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

>At 10:58 AM 99-09-09 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>Try this one...
>>
>>all the best,
>>
>>Nick Robinson
>>
>
>
>Ooooooooo....Aaahhhhh.....
>So when are you putting these on the market?  I can't wait to be the first
>on by block with Oricards.
>
>
>                Cathy
>******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****
>
>Cathy Palmer-Lister
>Ste. Julie, Quebec
>Canada
>cathypl@generation.net





From: Dr Stephen O'Hanlon <fishgoth@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 18:54
Subject: Hello all folders

Hello everyone.
It seems that the origami list has survived a couple of months without me
and I look forward to reading close to 3000 messages in my inbox. It looks
like I will have access to a university set of computers with internet for
the next few months so I can finally add a great deal of stuff to my web
site. Having been stuck without net access and with only a few sheets of
paper to get me through the long dark months of being a junior hospital
doctor, I have created a great deal of models with I am now diagramming. I
have already put pen to paper and come up with a HI two-colour sheep and a
HI/complex Giant panda. For the anxious many who have e-mailed me, I have
stareted to diagram the chess set too. I have also a dozen or so models that
are so cool, they just have to be shared, including my first few stabs at
supercomplex models, including an earwig and a devil horsecoach beetle. Ive
also finished a set of dinosaurs to complete the dino section on my web
page.

In total, Ive got close to seventy original creations, with plenty more
where they came from.

I hope to expand my origami page somewhat...experiments at cutting down the
memory involved in each of the diagrams is proving successful so I may be
able to cram many more in. If so, what would people like to see? I am
interested in expanding my origami basics pages, and also creating a few
model development pages, exploring bases that the likes of Montroll, Cerceda
and others use to create four legged animals, as such analysis has allowed
me to create far better models. Perhaps a book review page, part of my
original plan for the web site?
I look forward to all your suggestions.

Take care and have fun folding,

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon

www.geocities.com/athens/academy/4800
fast.to/origami

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 19:05
Subject: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Dr Stephen O'Hanlon wrote:

+Hello everyone.

Welcome back!

+I look forward to all your suggestions.

To Dr. O'Hanlon and anyone else:

If I can make one suggestion regarding format of the diagrams themselves...

Because of page ratio differences, many diagrams originating on
European websites print (if at all) with difficulty in the USA. The
reverse is probably also true. Adobe PDF format, and the freely
available readers for it, seem to do well with necessary scaling.

If you cannot use PDF (and with the cost, many, including myself,
cannot), and must use scanned GIF or JPG images, please keep them
narrow enough for European width paper (7" to leave a nice margin) and
short enough for USA height paper (8" to leave a nice margin). I know,
I know, everyone wants to maximize diagrams per page, and smaller page
size affects that. But unless you're putting diagrams up on the web for
your own use only, aren't you putting them there for others to see? And
most people I know don't fold while at a computer screen, so they have
to print the diagrams, and there in lies the rub.

-D'gou





From: Mike Wareman <mwareman@ADMIN.OLDSCOLLEGE.AB.CA>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 19:28
Subject: Re: Hello all folders

Hello:

I would like to see any of your complex models.  The Giant Panda and the devil
     horsecoach beetle interest me the most.  I am also a big dinosaur fan so
     HI/complex dinosaur models would also be of interest.  Do you have any new
     fantasy creatures?

Just my wishful thoughts,

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(\   / ,- \     ,'        ', /  ~~  \
 \'-' /   \ \  /   _     #  <0 0>  \
  '--'     \ \/    .' '.    # = Y  =/
            \     / \   \   `#-..!.-'
             \   \   \   `\ \\
              )  />  /     \ \\
             / /`/ /`__     \ \\__
           (___)))_)))     \__)))

Michael G. Wareman
Olds College, AV Services
phone (403) 556-4605
FAX    (403) 556-4705
mwareman@admin.oldscollege.ab.ca
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/4062





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 19:41
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

----- Original Message -----
From: kppm1 <kppm1@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@mitvma.mit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

> how in the world do i get off the damn e mail list

You should have gotten a letter with intructions on how to sign off the
listserve when you first subscribed.  If you had bother to save that message
or at least read it, you would have known what to do.  You sent a command to
the list which meant everyone (all over the world) who subscribes to this
list got your message to unsubscribe as well as the rude message above.
What you should have done is sent a message to the listserver, NOT THE LIST.
See the below on how to unsubscribe.

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF ORIGAMI" command
to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU (or LISTSERV@MITVMA.BITNET).





From: Keropi <keropi@VT.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 19:45
Subject: Sorry

Sorry folks, I had meant to send it to "kppm1" not the whole list. I know, I
know, terrible/faux pas to send a sorry email to the whole list about
mis-sending mail...

Extremely embarrassed,
Keropi





From: collin weber <coljwebwhs@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 20:20
Subject: Origami Inspirations Rick Beech

Dear Rick Beech

I'm the one who wrote about the hundreds of original models.  I would be
very interested in having my work in BOS.  I have to admit that I am not
subscribed and have never read BOS magazine.  Once I narrow down my models
to the really good ones (in my opinion) I have about 75, almost all of them
different types of animals.  I'm only 15 years old so there should be a lot
more coming.  I was wondering if you want diagrams or pictures.  I don't
have very many diagrams yet but I'm working on it maybe this will motivate
me to get going on them.

Collin Weber

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 20:54
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

Alex Barber wrote:
>
> I am currently in the throes of reworking my site ...

Hi, Alex:

Does that explain why I have not been able to access the aechives over
the last three days or so? :-)





From: Edith Kort <ekort@MCLS.ROCHESTER.LIB.NY.US>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 21:07
Subject: Origami Site Sighting

Exploratorium Museum Magazine OnLine - Issue on Origami (with real
video)

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exploring/index.html

--
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Edith Kort
  Rochester Origami Club
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Before you can be eccentric
      You must know where the circle is





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: 09 Sep 1999 23:18
Subject: Re: Creativity Criteria

>Valerie Kull writes:
>
>I think there is also a lot to enjoy and
>learn in watching a masterful development of the possibilities of a model.
>I
>don't believe that variations of models are necessarily less worthy of
>publication.
>
>When I first brought up the question of originals and variations, I never
>said that variations of a model were less worthy of publication. I said
>that it is easier to create a lot of variations on one model than to come
>up with an entirely new model, and that the latter is more satisfying if
>one wants to evaluate creativity.
>Having said this, I agree about the value of exploring variations, both as
>a way to learn and as a way to create something new, and I think it might
>be interesting to find books in which models were presented by base groups,
>e.g. ten different models starting from the Fish Base (or however many of
>whichever base you want). Does anyone know whether anything like this
>actually exists?
>
>Julia Palffy
>Zug, Switzerland
>jupalffy@bluewin.ch

For a study of a book based on bases try my Modern Origami, recently
reprinted by Dover Publications.  Most of  the foldings are based on the
bird or frog bases.  The process of finding new    beginnings starts with
stretched bird base, which can lead to the  legs made possible by the
closed sink and  sunken bird base from which the eight point star is
created.  One can say  these beginning points are very satisfying, but do
not by themselves lead to any particular result.  It is the process of
seeking variations, which leads to new figures.  But this process is not
ncessarily a simple one, although sometimes it can be.  For example, from
the eight point start it takes only a few folds to make Pegasus.  Narrowing
one point makes it easy to make a number of three legged animals and serves
as a basis for a new chapter, which is titled Three-Legged Animals and the
Nun.  The nun is folded as a variation of the cow, but the process of
making this change is not a simple one.  As a matter of fact making
variatiions can require a great deal of effort.  The T-Fold base which is a
variation of the eight-point star pulled apart include widely differing
animals including the giraffe, fox, donkey, camel, and the peacock.  One
does not necessarily separate the process of finding a base from making
variations.  One  makes variations and when one sees the possib ility of a
goal, attempts to achieve it.  A bse is born when several objects starts
with the same b eginning position.   James M. Sakoda





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 00:36
Subject: Re: Marc Kirschennbaum's Starship Enterprise

Yes, yes, please get permission from Marc Kirschenbaum!  I have tried
several times to make that ship, and each time I seem to get a little
further, but usually it winds up on the floor as a toy for my cats. Maybe
one more try will do it...

I am very impressed with the parts that I can figure out, though. It uses
some clever folding.  I did manage to bash out a less-than-mediocre one, by
skipping the steps I couldn't get.  I guess I'll have to wait until the
'original' vs. 'variation' thread comes to a conclusion before I can claim
it to be 'mine' :-)

Phil

Perry Bailey wrote:
>
>Shalom LeVine wrote:
>>
>> Is there a better diagram for this model than the hand drawn ones I found on
>> the web? I looked on Marc's website, but it's not listed there. I really
>> want to fold this for a StarTrek fanatic friend, but the hand drawn pages
>> are almost unreadable!
>>
>> Shalom
>
>I did do a bit of work on those diagrams for my own use and translated
>the chicken scratches to text, but I have no permission to do anything
>with it, though if Marc didn't mind I would be happy to send you a copy
>of them via e-mail.
>
>Perry
>

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
 Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: Re: Diagram Page size... (was: Re: Hello all folders)

Addressing Dr. Stephen O'Hanlon's formatting of his diagrams, Doug
Philips wrote..."If you cannot use PDF (and with the cost, many,
including myself, cannot), and must use scanned GIF or JPG images..."

As my browser cannot access pdf files, I would also like to add my voice
and pleadingly urge site owners to use or include gif and jpg images for
your diagrams, whenever possible.

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: Origami Archive

Recently, I am unable to access the Origami Archive at:

http://www-japan.mit.edu/origami/

Whenever I perform a search, all I get is a blank page with "Search In
Progress: Please Wait" on the top.

Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?

Dorothy





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: file attach apology!

Erk - I've just realised I replied to Doug via the list & not privately
- sorry to all for this breach of nettiquette & thank goodness it wasn't
a large file!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: Re: Origami Collectable Trading Cards!

On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:58:33AM +0100, Nick Robinson wrote:
> >Yeah, A card with a photo of Lang's Black Forest Cherry Cake Cuckoo
> >Clock and Birthday Cake would be rare indeed.
> Try this one...

Nick, please don't send binaries to the list; you're setting a bad
example.

Let me say it once again: Please do not send binary files (attachments,
pictures, data, docs etc.) to the list, for various reasons. Such files
should be put on a web page or an ftp server; you can then post a
message to the list with the address. If you don't have a web page, I am
sure Maarten van Gelder will be ready to put your files on the Origami
Archives ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/.

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

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From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: Re: Tanteidan convention pics

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
It's the official Japan Origami Academic Society site; why should it be
in English?

Do you mean to say you encourage insularism? I thought the Global Village was
     the thing nowadays (especially on the Net)!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:51
Subject: disaster classes

Well, it wasn't quite as bad. But yesterday night, one lady walked out of my
origami class. Has this ever happened to others?

Matthias
