




From: "John R. Mizell" <superj@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:37
Subject: Re: $bills

         After reading this post I became quite worried that it could be
    true.  So I did a little digging and visited both the USMint and the
    BEP (Bureau of Engraving and Printing) to see if I could find an
    answer.
        The US Mint only deals with coinage, and although they had a
    pretty good bit of info. on the new $1 coin they had nothing on the
    $1 bill.
        I was referred to the BEP, where I submitted a question ( which
    is posted below with the reply) via e-mail. Here is the cut and pasted
    letter:

> The following email is in response to your question/Message:
> I read on one of the news lists that I subscribe to that you guys were going
> to quit printing the $1 bill and phase it out when you phase in the $1 coin.
> Is this true? I hope that it is not.  The $1 bill is as much a part of
> American history as the Washington Monument or the Statue of Liberty.  We do
> not get rid of our historical objects.  We may alter, upgrade, or beautify
> them, but we do not destroy them completely.  Please say that this is not an
> option on the table that has to be discussed.
>
> _ The new $10 and $5 notes will enter circulation simultaneously in the Spring
> of 2000, and a new $1 note with a more modest redesign will follow. Thank you
> for your inquiry. The highest denomination of currency that the Bureau of
> Engraving and Printing has ever printed was the $100,000 Gold Certificate. The
> highest denomination that the Bureau currently prints is the $100 Federal
> Reserve Note. http://www.usmint.gov/default.htm Thank you for your inquiry.
     The
> provided hyperlink(s) should provide you with an adequate answer to your
> question. If however, the provided hyperlink(s) still does not answer your
> question, feel free to e-mail us at websitemgr@bep.treas.gov or call our
> External Affairs Division at (202) 874-3019.

        I do so hope that I haven't stepped on any toes by checking this
    out myself, but I just couldn't believe that they would phase out the $1
    bill.  The news was just too extraordinary.

        John M.
        superj@bellsouth.net

Florence Temko wrote:

> To elaborate on Anna's message, I enquired of the Treasury and the Federal
> Reserve about the designs of a new dollar bills - after all it affects our
> craft. I learned that a new $5 bill will be out some time next year. A new $1
> coin will be issued (not Susan B. Anthony). The $1 bill will not be
> redesigned, but eliminated.  Both agencies are definitely mum as to when. I
> get the impression that the current supply will be eased out as quickly as
> possible, subject to public uproar and acceptance.  As with all U.S. currency
> any $1 note will continue to be legal tender.
>
> Happy Money Folding and all best from Florence.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 01:59
Subject: Re: [NO] FrontPage for homepage -

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>The reason we eat quiche is because we can create a 4 frame web page
>with nested tables in under a minute - that gives us at least an hours
>start at the refreshment table over you textmen ;)

You forgot to mention the 4 hours it takes you later to clean up the microwave
because the quiche exploded... not to speak of indigestion because the quiche
wasn't properly frozen.

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:05
Subject: Re: NO?

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>I haven't seen Mark Hiner's book, so I can't comment on that. I will second
>(and third and fourth) the praises of Jackson's "The Pop-up Book." Jackson's
>book goes into the mechanics of pop-ups, so that you can learn how to make
>your own.

My oh my, how has this topic popped up all of a sudden? I'll fifth the praise
of Paul Jackson's book.

We discussed sources for pop-up books a while back on the paper list (or was
it the book maker list?). If anybody's interested, check the archives of those
lists for great pop-up books.

Matthias, pop-up'd





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:18
Subject: Re: Holiday

O.K. ... forgive me for being a little vague ... O.K.?
                                            RPLSMN





From: RPlsmn@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:26
Subject: Re: Sv:      Re: Architectural Origami

I remember an Ad I once read where a (the?) major paper conglomerate showed a
cardboard bridge they had made with a truck driving over it.  Papier
Macheogami?
                                                                - RPLSMN -





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 03:51
Subject: Re: Not an origami book (longish)

On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Doug Philips wrote:

> To each their own indeed, sire. Perhaps you merely mispoke, but to say
> "out and out cheating, theres always a way round just have to find it"
> either implies dumb, or lazy, or both.

I would have to agree with Doug's reading here, as I felt Dave was
suggesting cutting models as the "easy way out". The term "Purist" is such
an ugly word, as implies other methods as somehow sullied (maybe it is my
definition of the word, but what are you if you are not pure?).

I too can admire the skill involved in designing a model from an uncut
square, but I can't help but feel that present knowledge of the
possibilities of origami is built upon the technical and inspiring work of
designers of the past (ie. Fred Rohm and Neil Elias for example), who were
not concerned with the limitations of cutting or using squares, and yet
still produced works of excellence that possess beauty and technical merit
alike.

On a simpler level, I look to the works of Kasahara. A favourite model
of mine is his parrot
from Creative Origami. Kasahara uses a cut to create the comb of the
parrot. I would be surprised if Kasahara could not, or has not, designed
parrots without cutting, but this particular model looks great with its
delicate head-dress. I doubt whether Kasahara could be accused of cheating
in this case, or of not exploring the model's possibilities (though maybe
he could and I just don't want to :}). Montrolls' lobster on the other
hand has not cuts, but two antenae that are so layered that they look like
baseball bats (to borrow a description from a friend). I am not trying to
rubbish Montroll as a designer, I just want to illustrate that one method
is not better than the other simply because it is "pure" - and it goes
without saying that this is just my opinion :}

"Each to their own", and I thoroughly agree. I also wish Dave luck in his
unicorn design - to have ideals to work towards is admirable, and some
would argue necessary. I simply
suggest that terms such as "purist" immediately
suggest a "right or wrong" way of going about origami. If you peek at the
answers in Trivial Pursuit, that's cheating. Origami is an art, not a
game. What some call cheating I would prefer to call exploring.

regards
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:16
Subject: Re: Not an origami book (longish)

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> I simply
> suggest that terms such as "purist" immediately
> suggest a "right or wrong" way of going about origami. If you peek at the
> answers in Trivial Pursuit, that's cheating. Origami is an art, not a
> game. What some call cheating I would prefer to call exploring.

It would seem to be better to just appreciate each thing for what it is,
rather than assigning it some definition, whose deviation from which
establishes each thing as less and less pure as it moves away from exactness
of the definitive template. The template boxes the viewer's perception like
an aesthetic tunnel-vision. The more you define what an art is, the less art
you let the world give you to enjoy. So don't call it origami, don't call it
anything, don't think about the process. Then ask yourself  'do I like it?'.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:31
Subject: Re: new items on the "Lister List"

DLister891@AOL.COM sez

>But I haven't found them yet!  Is there  a delay?

Oops- did I forget to upload them?? Fool!

>I seem I have contributed often to Origami-L: I've been looking through my
>postings to the net sice 1996. Is it open to me to nominate other items?

Certainly - I kept some, but not all.

>Some of them may need consolidating or editing. I realise, however, that
>space isn't unlimited.

As far as you're concerned, it is - fire away!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:31
Subject: Re: Folding Bone

Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH> sez

>'Scuse me... when I bought it I just took what the saleswoman gave me ...
>
>... and what about saving the trees from which your paper comes?

All my paper comes from Elephant s**t, so my conscience is clear
there...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email          nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage                www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:31
Subject: Re: NO: Re: accents

Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI> sez

>Ooh, suits you, sir, ooh...

Oh OH Oh! Do you *really* want it sir?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:52
Subject: Re: Folding Bone

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> >... and what about saving the trees from which your paper comes?
>
> All my paper comes from Elephant s**t, so my conscience is clear
> there...

> Nick Robinson

All my paper is a pate of Spotted owl, mixed in with the pulp of old-growth
forest and ambergris and made in sweatshops. Seal skin got to passe.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 05:45
Subject: Portugal's help

Mr Robert,

I'm working with a group of children on origami. They've learnt how to make
a crane last week and I've suggested to them we could fold some more cranes
together so that we could send some to you. Since they are little kids, our
cranes won't be perfect... Nevertheless, after I spoke to them about you and
your mother, they were very excited, and willing to help. Will you accept
our modest help?

David

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 07:36
Subject: Re: Oriland

David wrote:
>Hey don't say that, your page is great! I love being able to go to a site
>that's quick because it's not clogged with silly graphics all over it.
>Yours, Joseph Wu's and John Smith's sites are the ones I have bookmarked as
>I found them to be my favorites and the most useful to me.

Oh, you're so sweet! To be mentioned in one phrase with Joseph Wu and John
Smith... what more could any origamist ask for?

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 07:55
Subject: Re: Folding Bone

Nick Robinson wrote:
>>Arggh - dead animal alert! Can I suggest trying a plastic alternative?
And then Julia Palffy replied:
>'Scuse me... when I bought it I just took what the saleswoman gave me ...
>
>... and what about saving the trees from which your paper comes?

Yes, what about those trees, eh Nick? They've got a right to live just like
everybody else! Stop it NOW, you tree killer!

Matthias 'save the trees' Gutfeldt





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 08:05
Subject: Re: Folding Bone

David wrote:
>Boy that's funny I knew you could wetfold with water, but I didn't
>know you could wetfold with grease.

Didn't you know? Origami is in greasing!

Matthias





From: David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 08:16
Subject: Simple Origami

I've started teaching some origami principles to a group of kids last week,
and I must say they are enjoying it a lot. They've learnt how to make the
swan and the crane, and they're eagger to learn more. Since they are very
young (7-11 years old) I need simple but attractive models. I was thinking
about animals they know: cats, bears, other kind of birds, dogs, etc... I've
been trying to search for these models on internet, but if anyone knows a
good site to look for these models, i'd appreciate it a lot.

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From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: 23 Aug 1999 11:14
Subject: [NO] Quoting.

Two years ago (7th March 1997 to be precise) I posted the following note to
Origami-L. Not everybody agreed with all that I wrote and Bernie Cosell wrote
a careful and persuasive reply putting valid points for a contrasting view.
But others supported my criticisms. I was not condemning the use of the
"Quotation facitlity" that E-mail permits, but only its excessive use and if
the qualifications I included in my positing are noted, I do not think my
stance was unreasonable. Things have now reached the stage when I feel I must
repeat what I wrote:

<< For some time now, I have felt very impatient with the sometimes grossly
excessive habit of unedited quoting of other people's postings.

<<The facility of quoting from a previous communication is a very valuable
tool
in E-mail and it has many uses. However, too many people have seen it just as
an easy way of replying to letters and it has become an established habit, if
not an accepted convention of E-mail to do it.

<<To me, it seems hardly ever to be necessary. It is never done in snail-mail
letters (Obviously!). But in snail mail there is no difficulty in referring
briefly in one's letter to previous correspondence and the point being
discussed. Why do people not do this in E-mail? It's not difficult and it
would save megabytes of space! And, into the bargain, messages would be
clearer and more to the point.

<<The reason, as I have suggested, is because it has become a way of doing
things, regardless of whether it is the best way. Newcomers follow what
earlier subscribers appear to do, and so it becomes fashionable, if not part
of the law of the Medes and Persians. But I suspect that the alleged
pressure and speed of modern life and, dare I say it, laziness, also
contribute.

<<Even E-mail can be courteous, clearly written and even elegant. I hope i'm
not a voice crying in the wilderness.>>

In the two and a half years since I wrote that, the abuse of e-mail facility
for quotation hs become much worse. Some subscribers habitually repeat the
whole of a previous letter on which they are commenting, even if their reply
only relates to a tiny portion of it.

Other subscribers leave enabled a device (apparently connected with HTML)
that repeats the whole of their OWN messages a second time in smaller type. I
find the purpose of this to be incomprehensible.

We even had a recent instance where a subscriber who wished to sign of the
list (and incorrectly wrote to the List instead of to the listserver)
attached not just a previous message, but the whole of a complete digest,
which came as an attachment. I'm sure that this is neither necessary or
desirable.

As was pointed out in reply to my earlier posting, there are reasons, other
than laziness that cause excessive quoting. Many people genuinely do not know
that they can turn off their "message reply button" or do not know that they
can delete all or part of the quoted message when it has papered in their
outgoing reply. I know from my own experience that the workings of mail
programs are not the easiest of things to understand or to manage, especially
for those of us who are not computer "experts" but only ordinary people who
happen to use e-mail. Nevertheless, it should be possible to look for a
switch which will turn of the indiscriminate quotation of the whole of a
previous document. It should, too, be possible to be positive and to select
only those parts of a document which it is relevant to quote and to delete
those parts that are not.

In March, 1999, in response to my posting, Linda Theil wrote:

<The Origami-L list is superior in every other regard to every other list
I've participated in. Y'all haven't lived until you pick up a digested list
that is full of complete previous digests because people have replied to a
digested post and inadvertently copied the entire thing.>

I don't think we are quite in that situation yet and I hope we never shall be.

Is it too much for me to plead with everyone to be more moderate and more
discriminating when they quote from previous postings?

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 12:12
Subject: Bureau of Engraving and Printing's Response

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing responded to my
email, too! Truly, I didn't expect a response.

Regards,

Carmine

--- Alford Travis <travis.Alford@bep.treas.gov> wrote:
> From: Alford Travis <travis.Alford@bep.treas.gov>
> To: "'carmine_dichiara@yahoo.com'"
> <carmine_dichiara@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: BEP Response (Tracking Number #1384)
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:06:02 -0400
>
> Currently, there are no plans to discontinue the $1
> note.  The $1 note and
> the $1 coin will co-circulate.

===
-------
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carmine_dichiara@yahoo.com
        Beyond each corner new directions lie in wait.
                - Stanislaw Lec
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From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 15:24
Subject: PROP The Origami detective (part 03)

PROP the Origami detective (part 3)

Together with her colleagues she was brought into a building.  They waited
pairwise each in a room opposite the corridor.

Then she was given a message and she had to communicate this message to her
colleague at the opposite side. She could not speak, because the other
couples would hear that. Sign language didn't work: she was not that good
and the message was quite complicated.

She took a sheet of Origami paper and ...

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, how did she manage? Try and solve this puzzle.

But please don't yell the solution over the list.  Everyone should have some
time to think this over.

You may send me your solution via private email: vgelder@kvi.nl

Next month (maybe some later) I'll put my solution in the archives.  And also
give the next part of this story.

This text and the previous solution(s) are also published in the archives.
Have a look at:

   http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/prop/index.htm





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 16:30
Subject: Re: PROP The Origami detective (part 03)

At 09:23 PM 8/23/99 +0100, you wrote:
>PROP the Origami detective (part 3)
>
>Together with her colleagues she was brought into a building.  They waited
>pairwise each in a room opposite the corridor.
>
>Then she was given a message and she had to communicate this message to her
>colleague at the opposite side. She could not speak, because the other
>couples would hear that. Sign language didn't work: she was not that good
>and the message was quite complicated.
>
>She took a sheet of Origami paper and ...
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Well, how did she manage? Try and solve this puzzle.
>
>But please don't yell the solution over the list.  Everyone should have some
>time to think this over.
>
>You may send me your solution via private email: vgelder@kvi.nl
>
>Next month (maybe some later) I'll put my solution in the archives.  And also
>give the next part of this story.
>
>This text and the previous solution(s) are also published in the archives.
>Have a look at:
>
>   http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/prop/index.htm
>
>
she wrote her message so it would be concealed in the folds of a
paper airplane that she aimed at colleague and sent it flying at
him!

Ria's solution





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:10
Subject: Re: PROP The Origami detective (part 03)

>
> At 09:23 PM 8/23/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >PROP the Origami detective (part 3)

<snip>

> she wrote her message so it would be concealed in the folds of a
> paper airplane that she aimed at colleague and sent it flying at
> him!
>
> Ria's solution
>

 Here is the secret message that PROP the Origami detective wrote on
 the paper and then folded into an airplane.  Are you able to read it?

                     -----------------------
                     | PLEASE READ DAVID   |
                     |   LISTER'S PREVIOUS |
                     | MESSAGE ABOUT       |
                     |   EXCESSIVE         |
                     |        QUOTING!!!   |
                     -----------------------

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 18:12
Subject: NO: Re: PROP The Origami detective (part 03)

In a message dated 8/23/99 4:11:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET writes:

<<  At 09:23 PM 8/23/99 +0100, you wrote:
 > >PROP the Origami detective (part 3)

 <snip>

 > she wrote her message so it would be concealed in the folds of a
 > paper airplane that she aimed at colleague and sent it flying at
 > him!
 >
 > Ria's solution
 >

  Here is the secret message that PROP the Origami detective wrote on
  the paper and then folded into an airplane.  Are you able to read it?

                      -----------------------
                      | PLEASE READ DAVID   |
                      |   LISTER'S PREVIOUS |
                      | MESSAGE ABOUT       |
                      |   EXCESSIVE         |
                      |        QUOTING!!!   |
                      -----------------------
  >>

GET A LIFE!!!

Seriously,

Russell
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!!





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 20:18
Subject: (NO) RE:PROP part 3

OOPS!  Sorry for not reading more carefully about
YELLING the answer over the list!!!  I do tend to
blurt things out sometimes.

Ria (who's red in the face) Sutter

Ps my hand is quicker than my eye at times with the
SEND button.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 21:44
Subject: Re: PROP The Origami detective (part 03)

You know what would be fun, to see all the other solutions that people
provided, that would be fun.  But please people don't post your solutions
to the list.  And instead of part x have a fun title like PROP the Origami
detective: revenge of the PROP will of course not so stupid though.  Happy
folding :)

David





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 21:57
Subject: Re: $bills

Hi, John. You're not stepping on my toes, but you are opening our eyes to new
facts. Is it possible that they changed their governmental minds since I
enquired which was a few months ago? Whatever. Thanks anyway. All best from
Florence.





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:01
Subject: Trees have a right to live

<Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
Stop it NOW, you tree killer!>

Definitely.  Save the trees, switch to elephant dung paper!!!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 01:19
Subject: What the heck?  Apatosaurus fold

First of all thanks Jerry Harris for the interesting background on the
Apatosaurus/Brontosaurus.  I don't understand this: everytime I fold
Kawahata's model it comes out differently than the other times.  I have
several models on my VCR that each look distinct, how is this possible!?
Another thing is that everytime I fold the Kawasaki rose is that it comes
out different than the last time, I mean same basic shape but how the twist
emerges is different, this is okay for me because that twist fold can be
done different each time even if you try not to.  But I don't understand
why this dinosaur comes out differently each time.  Any thoughts?

David





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 01:25
Subject: Re: What the heck?  Apatosaurus fold

Evolution at work? Perhaps?

Marion L. Riley





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 01:44
Subject: Re: Trees have a right to live

Martha Winslow-Cole wrote:
><Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>Stop it NOW, you tree killer!>
>
>Definitely.  Save the trees, switch to elephant dung paper!!!
What, and make all those dung beetle homeless??

Matthias 'beetle buddy' Gutfeldt





From: zealous Fuse fanatic <origamifreak@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 05:54
Subject: Re: fabulous origami boxes -->double vortex

Dave,

Try hood folding the spiral tabs, and you won't get
white in the middle of your spiral, just the color all
the way to the middle.  I like that effect better
because it somehow integrates really nicely with the
rest of the box.

anja

--- david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> wrote:
> I folded A' of the vortex box last night, I just got
> the book.  That's a
> neat box, has anyone else enjoyed it?
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From: David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:44
Subject: What does it mean...

the expression "wet fold". Must I put the paper into water before
folding????

David Rodrigues

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From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:17
Subject: Wetfolding (RE: What does it mean...)

David Rodrigues wrote:
>the expression "wet fold". Must I put the paper into water before
>folding????

Well... not quite. The idea is to make the paper not dripping wet but just a
little bit damp. This makes the paper softer. It is often used to fold
animals, because it allows to create more life-like folds.
The benefits are:
-You can fold thicker paper
-Some folds are easier to make because the paper is softer
-You can sculpt the finished model, almost like a paper mache model
-Once the paper dries again, the model does not unfold, and is usually quite
rigid. So the models stays intact for a longer time- good for exhibitions and
traveling!

Drawbacks are:
-The paper tends to tear easier, esp. if the paper is too wet
-The folds tend to un-fold while the paper is damp
-It is more difficult to fold accurately
-Everything gets wet <g>

I usually dry-fold the basic structure, and only start wet-folding when I get
to the 3D- steps and shaping of the model. Then I put clothes pins all over
the poor model and let it dry. Some people have reported that they 'nuke'
their models in the microwave.

There's a nice article about wetfolding at the BOS site,
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/wetfold.html . No author given.

All the best,
Matthias Gutfeldt





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:29
Subject: Re: Trees (and dung beetles) have a right to live

>Definitely.  Save the trees, switch to elephant dung paper!!!

>What, and make all those dung beetle homeless??

What about the trees that were destroyed by the elephants in their
relentless pursuit of dung-making? They don't have fast-food on the veldt,
now do they? I'd be willing to bet that the traditional paper-making process
is far more efficient in terms of tree use than the dung-paper-making
process. Cut out the middle man! Save a beetle!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"I don't have a quote to put here"





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:07
Subject: REALLY expensive paper available from US BEP

If you love folding dollar bills but are feeling a bit constrained by the
rigid 3 X 7 limitation...

or

If your significant other was just telling you the other day: "Honey, I
don't think you have nearly enough paper in the cabinet/closet/spare
room/new wing of the house, why don't you treat yourself and go out and buy
some new really expensive paper"

or

You were having a little trouble folding that 198-step Robert Lang model
from a squared off dollar bill, but really want that blue/black look and
feel...

Here's your chance! the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing
(http:/www.moneyfactory.com) is selling UNCUT sheets of US currency (albeit
at a slight premium...)

4  $1 bills - $15   (dimensions - 6.14" X 10.44")
8  $1 bills - $20   (12.28" X 10.44")
16 $1 bills - $31   (10.44" X 24.56")
32 $1 bills - $50   (20.88" X 24.56")

(Last three dimensions are based on my assumptions of 4X2, 4X4, and 8X4
layouts ,there are no photos available on the site)

$2 and $5 sheets also available. Check it out now at the BEP Store! Happy
folding (and be very careful with the paper cutter...)

Yaacov Metzger





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:13
Subject: Virtual Origami

Scott scram@landmarknet.net wrote:
>What about the trees that were destroyed by the elephants in their
>relentless pursuit of dung-making? They don't have fast-food on the veldt,
>now do they? I'd be willing to bet that the traditional paper-making process
>is far more efficient in terms of tree use than the dung-paper-making
>process. Cut out the middle man! Save a beetle!

There really is only one solution to the dilemma: Stop folding paper!
Yeah right; nobody's going to do that. So here's my solution:
Virtual Origami. This novel approach to paper folding, based purely on your
own imagination, will solve many of the issues raised in the current thread.
What's more, virtual origami has many other, yet unexplored benefits.

The basic technique is this:
Take a model you're familiar with. Imagine a nice, large sheet of one of those
hideously expensive gold-layered japanese papers you never dared to touch.
Imagine folding the model.

This technique has several advantages:
1. Environmetally safe. No dead trees, no homeless beetle
2. Very cheap. You can virtually fold the most exquisite paper at no cost
whatsoever.
3. Error-tolerant. Even if you make a virtual mistake, you can continue as if
you didn't make it. Of if you prefer to corret the error, just unfold the last
step, and practice until you can imagine it just right.
4. Success almost guaranteed. Your virtual origami model will come out as
perfect as you can imagine, every time.  No excess creases. No ripped paper.
No bulky appendages.
5. No storage space needed. Instead of cluttering your home with origami, you
can store an almost indefinite amount of folded models in your brain. This
also allows for easy travelling!
6. Stun your friends! Blind-fold a virtual Lang scorpion in 5 seconds flat!

Of course, this new technique has a few disadvantages. The main disadvantage I
see at the moment is that your fellow folders need lots of imagination to see
your virtual origami...

Virtually yours,
Matthias Gutfeldt





From: Robert Honnies <honniesr@MC-MC.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:34
Subject: Re: Virtual Origami

I don't know about this one...everytime I try to fold a model in my mind... it
     ends up looking like an ashtray!!! ;-)

Robert

>>> Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> 8/24/99 10:09:19 AM >>>
> This technique has several advantages:
>3. Error-tolerant. Even if you make a virtual mistake, you can continue as if
>you didn't make it. Of if you prefer to corret the error, just unfold the last
>step, and practice until you can imagine it just right.
>4. Success almost guaranteed. Your virtual origami model will come out as
>perfect as you can imagine, every time.  No excess creases. No ripped paper.
>No bulky appendages.





From: Florence Temko <Ftemko@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:14
Subject: Wet-folding

To all of you who like to wet-fold: Look what I have just come across in
NASCO Arts & Crafts Catalog, pgs.141 and 296. They have a website but I
haven't checked it out ww.nascofa.com.

"Paper-fer-shapen. An exciting new and easy-to-use paper sculpture medium for
advanced as well as beginning students.  --- can be formed with wet or dry
--- etc."

Florence Temko





From: "Lotus Entertain You, Inc." <info@LOTUSENTERTAINYOU.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:24
Subject: Origami Coffee Cup

Does anyone know how to make an Origami coffee cup,
preferably from a dollar bill, but any shape paper is ok?

Jeff info@lotusentertainyou.com





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:22
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

Why yes, I developed on a while back.  It is imperfect, as it is not
actually watertight.  It is also not, at the moment, diagrammed.  But I have
been meaning to do so, so if you *really* want it, let me know, and I should
be able to at least do hand-diagrams.

It is, incidentally, form a letter sheet of paper (U.S. or A4, doesn't
really matter), and, I am sure, could be done from a bill as well, with a
little tweaking.

The fold itself is pretty simple...

Kevin Kinney

>Does anyone know how to make an Origami coffee cup,
>preferably from a dollar bill, but any shape paper is ok?
>
>Jeff info@lotusentertainyou.com





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:19
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

In a message dated 8/24/99 4:23:11 PM, kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU writes:

<< Why yes, I developed on a while back.  It is imperfect, as it is not
actually watertight.  It is also not, at the moment, diagrammed.  But I have
been meaning to do so, so if you *really* want it, let me know, and I should
be able to at least do hand-diagrams. >>

I'm very interested in seeing diagram. What if it was folding of heavy foil,
do you think it would hold coffee? This is intriguing. Kelly





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:23
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> I'm very interested in seeing diagram. What if it was folding of heavy
foil,
> do you think it would hold coffee? This is intriguing. Kelly

Sounds like a job for the paper ceramic that we had that thread about last
month...

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:31
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

At 11:24 99/08/24 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know how to make an Origami coffee cup,
>preferably from a dollar bill, but any shape paper is ok?

So, Jeff, what's the price tag for such a design?
----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:49
Subject: Re: Virtual Origami

Ah Matthias, thanks for your inspiration! I've already virtually folded
Robert Lang's Cuckoo Clock and Issei Yoshino's skeletal T-Rex and
Triceratops.

This afternoon I plan to tackle Robert's Black Forest Cuckoo Cuckoo.
Yes, yes I know there are no diagrams.   I shall virtually reverse
engineer it!

Dorothy, feeling so virtuous!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:24
Subject: Re: Virtual Origami

Yes by Virtual Origami I've finally folded Kawahata's Pegasus.  Much to my
chagrin though Montroll's American Lobster still has a stubby tail.  Ow I
think I just gave my mind a paper cut!

David





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:32
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

I normally use Mug to hold coffee. Does origami mug count?
My $ Mug's diagram was published in OrigamiUSA '98 collections.
But it can only hold about 1 serving of regular coffee cream.
I do have a version from square (un-diagrammed) and It was shown
in Folding California program.

Sy Chen (sychen@erols.com)

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 ------------------
Does anyone know how to make an Origami coffee cup,
preferably from a dollar bill, but any shape paper is ok?

Jeff info@lotusentertainyou.com

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From: John Smith <jon.pure@PASTON.CO.UK>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:45
Subject: Web Site update.

I have been working away trying to make my web site easier to use and update
it at the same time. After many mistakes and other troubles I think all is
well, well almost well!.

There had been interest recently in methods of division into 3rds, 5ths and
7ths. I have put Fujimoto's new solutions on to my site, I think they are
superb.
I noticed a great deal of discussion about Origami and Art recently. I spent
many months studying this topic for my paper given in Japan. You will find
this lurking in my collection.

My records and curiosities have been updated and now have illustrations.

OIL Origami instruction language now reappears with the text of the second
edition.

Oh yes I have added some more favourites to my little gallery.

My history and bibliographies have also been updated.

Oh yes I have a new little section headed 'humour'

If you care to drop in one of these days you will be very welcome

www,paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/bitsofsmith/htm

thanks for any interest and support

John.





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@VIADOR.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:56
Subject: Re: Web Site update.

Way back when (At 07:42 PM 8/24/99 +0100), John Smith sent me this:
>I have been working away trying to make my web site easier to use and update
>it at the same time. After many mistakes and other troubles I think all is
>well, well almost well!.
>
><<snip>>

>www,paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/bitsofsmith/htm

Should be:
http://www.paston.co.uk/users/jon.pure/bitsofsmith.htm

I think...

-g-





From: Marion Riley <marion-r@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:25
Subject: Re: Web Site update.

 Anyone having trouble accessing John's web
site. Change bitsofsmith/htm to bitsofsmith.htm
That should do the trick.

       Marion L. Riley lll





From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:35
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

First Me:

><< Why yes, I developed on a while back.  It is imperfect, as it is not
>actually watertight.  It is also not, at the moment, diagrammed.  But I have
>been meaning to do so, so if you *really* want it, let me know, and I should
>be able to at least do hand-diagrams. >>

Then Kelly Dunn

>
>I'm very interested in seeing diagram. What if it was folding of heavy foil,
>do you think it would hold coffee? This is intriguing. Kelly

    Well, it's better.  But the leakiness is not really due to water soaking
through an essentially no-watertight medium (paper), which I consider a
hazard of the form.  Rather, it is a design flaw.  Without diagrams, the
simplest way to explain is to point out that the bowl of the cup derives
from forming the paper into a tube.  There is a good bit of overlap, but
even with that, there is a small gap through which water can escape.  Still,
it's not bad, if you don't linger over your coffee...

Then Christopher Holt

>Sounds like a job for the paper ceramic that we had that thread about last
>month...
>

    Precisely why I myself brought it up a while back, I think, but I've
still not found any.  I'd heard of a German source, but haven't pursued
it...

    For my purposes, I did something slightly different:  After folding a
nice model, I dipped the whole thing quickly , once, in a tub of melted wax.
 This coated the paper, making it waterproof, sealed the gap, and
strengthened the overall thing, to boot.  It works nicely, but I am not sure
how to wash it.  I'd rather coat it with some sort of plastic or
polyurethane, but don't know what to try.

    But, essentially, I re-invented the wax-paper disposable cup.  Which was
how much excitement my creation generated when I showed it off...

    Oh, and Joseph, as for worth:  $2780.50, in U.S. dollars.  Or diagrams
for a rhino.  Or orangutan.  Or 6 Oreo cookies, fresh.  :)

    But I will try to make up and upload a diagram, if I can...

Kevin





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:25
Subject: Telephone

Hi everybody,

could anybody recomend a fold instruction for a telephone?

torsten





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:01
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

At 14:32 99/08/24 -0500, Kevin Kinney wrote:
>    Oh, and Joseph, as for worth:  $2780.50, in U.S. dollars.  Or diagrams
>for a rhino.  Or orangutan.  Or 6 Oreo cookies, fresh.  :)

My question was not facetious, nor does it reflect any desire for person
financial benefit. It has to do with Jeff's probable intended use for the
design. Check out his website for details. <http://www.lotusentertainyou.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:05
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

At 13:57 99/08/24 -0700, I wrote:
>At 14:32 99/08/24 -0500, Kevin Kinney wrote:
>>    Oh, and Joseph, as for worth:  $2780.50, in U.S. dollars.  Or diagrams
>>for a rhino.  Or orangutan.  Or 6 Oreo cookies, fresh.  :)
>
>My question was not facetious, nor does it reflect any desire for person

That should have been "personal".

>financial benefit. It has to do with Jeff's probable intended use for the
>design. Check out his website for details. <http://www.lotusentertainyou.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:25
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

Thank you very much Joseph for looking out for the origami community!  This was
my first thought too!  One should inquiry how they  plan to use your diagram for
a coffee mug (cup).
Kimberly
http://www.kimscrane.com

Joseph Wu wrote:

> At 14:32 99/08/24 -0500, Kevin Kinney wrote:
> >    Oh, and Joseph, as for worth:  $2780.50, in U.S. dollars.  Or diagrams
> >for a rhino.  Or orangutan.  Or 6 Oreo cookies, fresh.  :)
>
> My question was not facetious, nor does it reflect any desire for person
> financial benefit. It has to do with Jeff's probable intended use for the
> design. Check out his website for details. <http://www.lotusentertainyou.com>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Robert Vandeberg <rvandeberg@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 18:17
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
I also am interested in&nbsp; the diagrams.&nbsp; Sounds like fun in the
office.
<br>Thanks for sharing.
<p>Kelly Dunn wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In a message dated 8/24/99 4:23:11 PM, kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU
writes:
<p>&lt;&lt;&nbsp; It is also not, at the moment, diagrammed.&nbsp; But
I have
<br>been meaning to do so, so if you *really* want it, let me know, and
I should
<br>be able to at least do hand-diagrams. >>
<p>I'm very interested in seeing diagram. What if it was folding of heavy
foil,
<br>do you think it would hold coffee? This is intriguing. Kelly</blockquote>

<p>--
<br>PK
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;</html>





From: Mike Henderson <hendersm@HAWK.SPRNET.ORG>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 18:29
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

I am with Kimberly... I have seen a mug/coffee cup out off a dollar by
someone (who shall remain anonymous) at a OUSA Convention several years
back.

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Kimberly
Crane
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:38 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

Thank you very much Joseph for looking out for the origami community!  This
was
my first thought too!  One should inquiry how they  plan to use your diagram
for
a coffee mug (cup).
Kimberly
http://www.kimscrane.com

Joseph Wu wrote:

> At 14:32 99/08/24 -0500, Kevin Kinney wrote:
> >    Oh, and Joseph, as for worth:  $2780.50, in U.S. dollars.  Or
diagrams
> >for a rhino.  Or orangutan.  Or 6 Oreo cookies, fresh.  :)
>
> My question was not facetious, nor does it reflect any desire for person
> financial benefit. It has to do with Jeff's probable intended use for the
> design. Check out his website for details.
<http://www.lotusentertainyou.com>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:39
Subject: Simple Origami

David Rodrigues wrote: :
I've started teaching some origami principles to a group of kids Since they
are very
young (7-11 years old) I need simple but attractive models.

David - I've found kids that old can fold quite complex models - I often
leave books around (mostly Paul Jackson's) and some kids will fold really
hard models on their own.  I tend to keep simple models for kindergarten
kids (around 3 - 5) and adults!!

As to folding bones - mine is plastic, bought at a Nippon Origami
Convention, as is actually designed for creasing kimono while sewing them.

Clare - who dares to fold for fun!!





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:49
Subject: tanteidan (or is it JOAS?) convention

Is it too early to be asking for a report of the 1999 Tanteidan/JOAS
convention? Of course no convention report would be complete without
mentioning
that excellent publication which accompanies the convention. I have
fingers' crossed that although they have changed their name the book will
still be published.

Photos, as always, are an added bonus and most appreciated.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:57
Subject: Re: Origami Coffee Cup-Replies

In a message dated 8/24/99 7:36:30 PM, kkinney@MED.UNC.EDU writes:

<< if you don't linger over your coffee... >>

I won't linger, looking forward to seeing your uploaded diagram, and trying
it for myself. I'm thinking you could just drink the coffee over the sink.
very dedicated, Kelly





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:54
Subject: Re: What does it mean...

David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM> sez

>the expression "wet fold". Must I put the paper into water before
>folding????

Go to the BOS website - there's a page I wrote devoted to wet-folding...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:02
Subject: Re: Bureau of Engraving and Printing's Response

Carmine Di Chiara wrote to say that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing wrote:

>
> Currently, there are no plans to discontinue the $1
> note.  The $1 note and
> the $1 coin will co-circulate.

Oh, that's a relief!  I was beginning to suspect that a secret cabal of
waiters and waitresses was trying to force me to leave bigger tips!

Unless I learned how to combine round origami with metal-folding. . .

Phil

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
 Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:09
Subject: Re: What does it mean...

Nick Robinson wetly announced:
>Go to the BOS website - there's a page I wrote devoted to wet-folding...

I thought it was your style. But there are no credits whatsoever on the page.

All the best,
Matthias





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:17
Subject: Re: What does it mean...

>Nick Robinson wetly announced:
>>Go to the BOS website - there's a page I wrote devoted to wet-folding...
>
>I thought it was your style. But there are no credits whatsoever on the page.
>
>All the best,
>Matthias

Now I can say thanks, because that was the main article I used to learn how
to wetfold.  Without that I wouldn't have even come close to folding Lang's
ant.  Happy folding :)

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:19
Subject: cool hexagon box

Hey this is neat: in Fab. Origami Boxes there is a hexagon box from only
two units!  I thought it would be hard but it's easy and elegant.
Neat!!!!  When Ilooked at the folding pattern it seemed that it should be
possible to do something similar to make a hexagon box from one sheet of
paper.  So has anyone done it and are there any diagrams?  Also reply if
you've seen it for a heptagon box and/or an octagon box.

David "I love Fuse boxes" Whitbeck





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:20
Subject: Re: cool hexagon box

David Whitbeck discussed a Fuse hexagon box made from two units and
inquired whether there are diagrams for same but from one sheet.

(I noted, too, that the message indicated it was sent at 3:21 AM--David
are you really up that late folding boxes, or is it a time zone thing?)

At any rate, there is a Fuse book in Japanese that has boxes made from
single sheets (one each for top and bottom as I recall).  If no one else
posts the ISBN and translated name by the time I leave work, I'll post
it tomorrow.

Sonia Wu





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:44
Subject: Sv:      cool hexagon box

> So has anyone done it and are there any diagrams?

>David "I love Fuse boxes" Whitbeck

Dear David Whitbeck

There is a diagram for a Heptagonal Box by Tomoko Fuse
in the August  1999 issue of the BOS Mag, no, 197
page 24-25.

You can find the diagram for the a very cool hexagonal box
designed by Shuzo Fujimoto, on
http://thok.dk/fujibox.html

Have fun, and while you are at it,
look ar the rest of the website
www.thok.dk

Greetings  from
The Great and Glorious
Kalmon of the North.





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:50
Subject: Re: cool hexagon box

>there is a Fuse book in Japanese that has boxes made from
>single sheets (one each for top and bottom as I recall
>If no one else posts the ISBN and translated name by the time I leave work,
I'll post
>it tomorrow.

Fuse/BOXES IN ONE PIECE ISBN 4-480-87203-5  available from
www.origami-usa.org item #B20-258 .

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"Click here to add to shopping cart"





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:38
Subject: Folding bones

> As to folding bones - mine is plastic, bought at a Nippon Origami
> Convention, as is actually designed for creasing kimono while sewing them.

At an origami class I attended recently (I don't recall if it was the
Origami USA convention of a special session) the teacher handed out a bunch
of plastic 'bones'.  They were actually the punchouts from the handles of
plastic gallon milk jugs.  Seems you can find bunches of them at the bottom
of the milk collers at supermarkets, or may be able to ask the market
managers.  I late found one still attached to the jug at a convenience
store.

Janet Hamilton





From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:10
Subject: Re: cool hexagon box

David Whitbeck asks if there are any hexagon boxes from one sheet of paper.
Sure there are!--try Fuse's book on boxes from a single sheet.  Also try
Shuzo Fujimoto's treatise on "Twist Folding" in Suru Origami Asobi e no
Shotai.

Both Fuse and Fujimoto address the hexagon box.  Fuse's book also has
3,4,5,6,7,8 sided boxes.

Have fun.

Richard Hunter





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:24
Subject: Re: cool hexagon box

>> So has anyone done it and are there any diagrams?
>
>>David "I love Fuse boxes" Whitbeck
>
>Dear David Whitbeck
>
>There is a diagram for a Heptagonal Box by Tomoko Fuse
>in the August  1999 issue of the BOS Mag, no, 197
>page 24-25.
>
>You can find the diagram for the a very cool hexagonal box
>designed by Shuzo Fujimoto, on
>http://thok.dk/fujibox.html
>
>Have fun, and while you are at it,
>look ar the rest of the website
>www.thok.dk
>
>Greetings  from
>The Great and Glorious
>Kalmon of the North.

Awesome!  Thanks Great Kalmon I will certainly enjoy folding it.  It's just
like I thought: it used the same method as Fuse did in the two unit hexagon
box!

David
ps to Sonia Wu yes I was folding but I was up that late due more to too
much coffee and after that I read till 5:30 then went to bed.





From: Jennifer Campbell <CampbellJ@DFO-MPO.GC.CA>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:35
Subject: name that polyhedron

Hi everyone,

I am on a serious business card polyhedron jag. Not the first time, not the
first person to do this either.

Could a polyhedron aficionado please tell me the name of the shape formed if
you sat a pyramid on each face of a cube? I am without reference material at
the moment and am having web access troubles.

Don't tell my boss but I have just finished making one made of 12 business
cards.

Also, what would be the name of the shape of two tetrahedrons joined on one
face? I think of it as a "jewel" along the lines of the Takahama jewel made
from sonobe units, but of course the shape is not the same, as each half is
a true tetrahedron. I made one of these from one card.

These shapes have probably been done before. I'd still love to know what
they're called. Some new stuff for on top of my monitor!

Thanks,
Jennifer.





From: Casida Mark <casida@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:56
Subject: Re: name that polyhedron

> Could a polyhedron aficionado please tell me the name of the shape formed if
> you sat a pyramid on each face of a cube?

OK I'll take a stab at an answer.  If you put a pyramid on the face of a
polyhedron it is usually called a stellated polyhedron, so I suppose that
this could be a "stellated cube".  However if you place the right type
of pyramids on each face of a cube then you get a cubeoctahedron --- i.e.
the same thing that you get when you take a cube and cut off the 8 corners
to get a 12 sided object.  As I recall, the cubeoctahedron also has the
property that it is nearly a dodecahedron and that you could in principle
go from one to the other with a mild twisting motion (these thoughts come
from the chemistry of metal clusters, I have no idea if they could be
suitably represented in paper.)

> Also, what would be the name of the shape of two tetrahedrons joined on one
> face?

That should be the usual octahedron  --- very important for coordination
chemistry.  By coloring the faces differently you can make mirror image
models which cannot otherwise be superimposed.  If you think of these as
models of molecules, this means that you now have molecules which
have the same properties, except that they turn polarized light in
different directions and react differently with other "chiral"
molecules (i.e. with other molecules which cannot be superimposed
on their own mirror images).

                                   so long,

                                Mark.Casida@UMontreal.CA
