




From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Friederike=20Noether?= <f_noether@YAHOO.DE>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 18:05
Subject: "Architectural Origami"

Hello, I am new on this list and watched it over the last weeks. Thank
you for a lot of very good tips on folding or books.
Recently I saw Paul Haeberli4s website with his "Folding Project". It
reminded me of something I saw a few years ago at university at my
course about Theory of structure & statical calculation. There was a
competition. You had 1 sheet of strong paper (no karton) about the size
A3 and you had to fold a 3-dimensional structure (no cutting/no glue)
which was able to withstand a minimum added weight of 500g. The winning
model was able to carry over 1 Kg without collapsing. the folding
looked a bit like the one Paul Haeberli did. But with a lot mor
creases. Then it was bended to fit the form of a tunnel (or horsehoe)
to stand free on a piece of wood.
Does somebody of you ever see or done somehing like this?? Are there
books, websites or articles about this  kind of folding.
I am thankful for any idea where to look for information.

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From: Gillian Wiseman <gilladian@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 18:30
Subject: Re: [No}Kawahata's Apatosaurus

An apatasaurus is a real creature - a real dinosaur properly named and with
a full skeleton. A Brontosaurus was an apatosaurus body with some other
dinosaur head stuck on 'cause the so-called paleontologist thought it looked
about like it should!

Gillian - the librarian in me springs to the fore!

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From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 18:35
Subject: speaking of music

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear origami list readers --
        For those of you who live in the New York-Connecticut area, you might
     like
to tune in to WKZE (98.1 on your radio) tonight (Thursday) at 8 p.m.  My
husband, Spider, and his bandmate, Jimmy Eppard, are performing live on the
air.  All the songs are originals written by Spider; both he and Jimmy play
guitars and sing.
        I apologize for the short notice (it's 6:30 p.m. EDT -- I only just
     thought
of writing about it) and for the very local interest of this letter.  I hope
you can listen in.
                Anita F. Barbour





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 18:41
Subject: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

Thanks to this thread, I've happily learned that Tomoko Fuse, Dave
Brill, Herman Van Goubergen, Toshie Takahama, Fred Rohm and Kitamura
have all designed cat models. (Stephen Weiss has an incredible $ Cat
that is, alas, unpublished).

Here's a suggestion for some enterprising origami convention planner.
How about putting together a display that would feature different
artists' representations of the same models. I think it would be
fascinating from an artistic and historical perspective to view how
various designers treat the same subject.

Dorothy





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 19:02
Subject: Re: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

At 15:40 99/08/19 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks to this thread, I've happily learned that Tomoko Fuse, Dave
>Brill, Herman Van Goubergen, Toshie Takahama, Fred Rohm and Kitamura
>have all designed cat models. (Stephen Weiss has an incredible $ Cat
>that is, alas, unpublished).

Not so. I've seen it diagrammed. Now if I could only remember where I saw
it... Someone with a better memory: please help!

>Here's a suggestion for some enterprising origami convention planner.
>How about putting together a display that would feature different
>artists' representations of the same models. I think it would be
>fascinating from an artistic and historical perspective to view how
>various designers treat the same subject.

Allen Parry suggested this once at OUSA (2 years ago?). A number of us were
asked to develop a dollar bill ant. All of the submissions were displayed
together in the exhibition area.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Carol Martinson <carolm47@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 19:12
Subject: Re: Tangents on Origami

I wish I had been one of those people who had figured out Jun Maekawa's
Extraterrestrial Being from Origami for the Connoisseur.  I did mention
looking for bird base patterns in connection with folding paper into
Fumiaki Kawahata's Master Jedi Yoda at the same time I was overhearing
a discussion about the Extraterrestrial going on.  Somehow, either
through my not paying attention to what was being asked while I was
teaching Yoda, or just through general confusion, the two conversations
merged and mixed.  So, instead of asking me how to fold from that
crease pattern, I would like to join those still wondering how.

        Carol Martinson

From
--- Doug and Anna Weathers
...
  My mind is
> still turning over Jun Maekawa's Extraterrestrial
> Being from Origami for
> the Connoisseur.  I attempted it once months ago,
> with no success.  Carol
> Martinson, I think, at ORCA mentioned looking for
> bird base patterns, and
> working from there. ...

> Anna
>
> Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
> "In paradox truth."
>

__________________________________________________
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From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 19:23
Subject: Re: (NO) Folding California

Could I ask when the television show is on?  I have  a satellite dish and
might be able to get it...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/Renaldo.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:49 PM
Subject: (NO) Folding California

> I am very pleased to learn that my origami television show, Folding
> California, is being shared amongst paperfolders.
>
> I would like to remind anybody who receives a loaner copy of Folding
> Calfiornia to please refrain from duplicating it.
>
> My licensing agreements with the music publishers and record companies
> strictly prohibits this.
>
> Thank you.
> Dorothy Engleman





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 19:33
Subject: Re: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> Not so. I've seen it diagrammed. Now if I could only remember where I saw
> it... Someone with a better memory: please help!

(in ref. to a $ bill cat)

since i just got it, it was in either the 98 or 99 convention book.  can't
recall which, exactly ;)...





From: Tim Piesch <faustus@SCESCAPE.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:07
Subject: Re: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

Dorothy Engleman said
>. (Stephen Weiss has an incredible $ Cat
> that is, alas, unpublished).

Check the new Annual Collection from this year's New York convention.  Great
model!





From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:13
Subject: Re: Cat

Try Weiss's $Cat from BARF

Dick





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:15
Subject: $ bill cat

Baggi's dollar bill cat is in "Making More With Money" published by OUSA and
available through the source at OrigamiUSA.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:32
Subject: Weiss $$ cat diagrams---WAS:Re: Convention Suggestion

In a message dated 8/19/99 6:03:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
josephwu@ULTRANET.CA writes:

<<  (Stephen Weiss has an incredible $ Cat
 >that is, alas, unpublished).

 Not so. I've seen it diagrammed. Now if I could only remember where I saw
 it... Someone with a better memory: please help!
  >>

 Stephen Weiss' $$ cat is diagrammed in MFPP's collection annual for this
year       (also contains Wu's Eastern Dragon).

I have had a couple of people inquire how to purchase this collection annual
from MFPP.  Does someone have specific info regarding the sale of this
publication?





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 21:10
Subject: Re: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

Thank you, Tim, Chinh and Joseph!  Stephen Weiss' $ Cat is reason enough
for me to stop procrastinating and purchase OUSA's 1999 Collection.  Can
someone please describe the folding challenges of this model.

Joseph Wu wrote:

"Allen Parry suggested this once at OUSA (2 years ago?). A number of us
were asked to develop a dollar bill ant. All of the submissions were
displayed together in the exhibition area."

I know about Allen's $ Ant challenge and that is not what I was
describing.  I proposed an exhibit of various artists' renderings of a
single subject (or subjects), for example a cat or an apatasaurus.

When I was curating models for Folding California, it seemed to me that
this kind of exhibit would have great artistic and historical merit and
interest.

Dorothy





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 21:22
Subject: Re: $ bill cat

Rachel Katz wrote:

"Baggi's dollar bill cat is in "Making More With Money" published by
OUSA and available through the source at OrigamiUSA."

Thanks, Rachel!  Gotta get that OUSA book, too.  Giuseppe Baggi's
pussycat is truly outstanding.  What personality that cat has!

Dorothy





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 21:22
Subject: Re: [No}Kawahata's Apatosaurus

Message text written by Origami List
>An apatasaurus is a real creature - a real dinosaur properly named and
with
a full skeleton. A Brontosaurus was an apatosaurus body with some other
dinosaur head stuck on 'cause the so-called paleontologist thought it
looked
about like it should!<

        Actually, no complete articulated skeleton and skull of
_Apatosaurus_ has ever been found, although some fairly complete skeletons
have been recovered.  Two good skulls of _Apatosaurus_ are known (at least,
we're pretty sure they belong to _Apatosaurus_!), but not connected to the
skeletons.  We know from similarity of the postcranial (everything behind
the head) skeletons of _Apatosaurus_ and _Diplodocus_ (which _is_ known
from specimens with heads) that they are closely related; the isolated
skulls attributed to _Apatosaurus_ are similar but broader and more massive
than those of _Diplodocus_.

        The mis-associated skull to which you refer was the unfortunate
result of someone putting a _Camarasaurus_ skull on an _Apatosaurus_
skeleton in order to complete a mount.  While this seems absurd by todays
standards, the mount was made back 'round the turn of the century before we
knew as much about dinosaurs and their interrelationships as we do now.
Also, to be fair, skulls of _Camarasaurus_ had been found not too far from
skeletons of _Apatosaurus_ in some places, such as Dinosaur National
Monument, so before a good understanding that _Apatosaurus_ was a close
relative of _Diplodocus_ -- closer than to _Camarasaurus_, at any rate --
it was fair to think that all the sauropods should have similar heads.  The
error was only realized and corrected in the last 30 years!

 _,_
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 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
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 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 21:24
Subject: Convention Suggestion Was: where can I find....

Message text written by Origami List
>Here's a suggestion for some enterprising origami convention planner.
How about putting together a display that would feature different
artists' representations of the same models.<

        I do this when I do smaller, local origami demonstrations and
lectures.  I've chosen origami crabs for this task, to show that even with
really complex models, which require the generation of lots of points,
there are still numerous solutions to the same problem!  I've also wanted
to do this with _Stegosaurus_ models...

 _,_
 ____/_\,) .. _
--____-===( _\/ \\/ \-----_---__
 /\ ' ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

 Jerry D. Harris
 Fossil Preparation Lab
 New Mexico Museum of Natural History
 1801 Mountain Rd NW
 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
 102354.2222@compuserve.com





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 21:45
Subject: Re: Tangents on Origami

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Doug and Anna Weathers wrote:

> Bifurcative replications -- this reminds me of folding from crease
> patterns, something I have so far failed completely at doing.  My mind is
> still turning over Jun Maekawa's Extraterrestrial Being from Origami for
> the Connoisseur.

Have you tried the following site with tips and hints on the ET?

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models/humans/et/index.htm

I found it very helpful, using the instructions a while back to fold a
decent example of the ET model. I found the photo in Origami for the
Conniosseur a little misleading, especially in the shaping of the arms and
the proportions of the legs.

HOpe this helps
regards
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:29
Subject: Re: [No}Kawahata's Apatosaurus

Jerry D. Harris indited:

+skeletons.  We know from similarity of the postcranial (everything behind
+the head) skeletons of _Apatosaurus_ and _Diplodocus_ (which _is_ known
+from specimens with heads) that they are closely related; the isolated
+skulls attributed to _Apatosaurus_ are similar but broader and more massive
+than those of _Diplodocus_.

Thanks for the dino info, esp. that latter. The Carnegie Museum in
Oakland (Pittsburgh, PA, USA) recently unveiled a (outdoor) statue of
Diplodocus. As part of the "festivities" the Origami Club of Pittsburgh
(OCoP) staged a dinosaur folding for a kids event at a nearby Carnegie
Library (actually, it was the one in Squirrel Hill, which is OCoP's
host library). Unfortunately, when we went looking for Diplodocus
models the only ones we found were too complex for the time/scope of
our event. Sue Neff, the club president, acquired a few rolls of 9'
wide photography backdrop paper, and cut two 9' squares. One we used
for practice and one we used "for real." The event was part of
children's story hour focussed on dinosaurs. Since we had only one hour
to fold a single piece dino from 9' paper, I found a simpler
Apatosaurus model and we made the head a bit smaller to Diplodocus-ize
it. From what I could gather from my net surfin' for dino info, they
were similar beasties, with Diplo having a smaller header, and thinner
neck and tail.

-D'gou





From: Robert Honnies <honniesr@MC-MC.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:54
Subject: Can you please help?

I really don't know how to start this message, but here goes....

My Mother is Japanese and has been folding origami all of her life.  She has
     taught me, for as long as I can remember, the beautiful art of Origami and
     everytime I came back home to visit, we always ended up making either a
     bouqet of paper flowers or just
 sat, talked, and folded whatever came to mind.  Recently, this has changed...
     She is dying of terminal cancer.  She has been fighting it for the past
     seven years, but it has starting winning the battle over the past few
     months.  She is now bed ridden, al
 a

Why am I telling all of you this?  Well, it comes down to a Japanese tradition
     of making 1,000 cranes.  When I was very young, my Mom told me a story of
     1,000 cranes, in which, 1,000 cranes were made for a little girl, and she
     was granted a wish.  We don'
  think she has long left, and I won't be able to make all of them in time.
     This will be my way of helping her get through this and ease her pain.

If you can help, please e-mail me and I will send you my address to send them
     to.  This is not a hoax (A co-worker said people might think it was
     because of all the other hoaxes that happen on the internet).  I know this
     might not be the proper forum for
 his, I apologize for this... but, I am in dire need of assistance.

Thank you for help and I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
Robert Honnies
honniesr@mc-mc.com





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:04
Subject: Re: $ bill cat

Rachel Katz wrote:
>
> Baggi's dollar bill cat is in "Making More With Money" published by OUSA and
> available through the source at OrigamiUSA.
>
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!

If your looking for a dollar bill cat there is a nice one by
Kenny Kawamura on my web page.

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:04
Subject: Re: [No}Kawahata's Apatosaurus

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Sue Neff, the club president, acquired a few rolls of 9'
> wide photography backdrop paper, and cut two 9' squares. One we used
> for practice and one we used "for real." The event was part of
> children's story hour focussed on dinosaurs. Since we had only one hour
> to fold a single piece dino from 9' paper, I found a simpler
> Apatosaurus model and we made the head a bit smaller to Diplodocus-ize
> it

How'd you like the paper? Just stay away from the plated 'super white'--it
tends to rip easily. I did some big paper origami for a Thai restaurant I
worked at, a Max Hulme Jack-in-the-box for Christmas, and Peter Engle's
Valentine for Valentine's Day. The funnest thing is getting the plain,
unplated white, and paint designs on it. I never tried wet-folding it, but I
bet that would be fun, too.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:22
Subject: $-bill cat on-line (was RE: Where can I find...)

-----Original Message-----
From:   Susan Johnston [SMTP:oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK]
Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:54 AM
To:     ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: Where can I find...

In Paul Jackson's CLASSIC ORIGAMI, there is a model by Toshie Takahama.  I
haven't tried it yet but  it says that it is the most successful version yet
achieved , being well proportioned, full of character, instantly
recogniseable and pleasing to fold.

[Mark Morden]  I modified Takahama's cat to a $-bill fold.  The diagrams can be
     found at my Origami Olio web site under the "Original $-bill Folds" link.
     The address is below.

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
There is love in the red letters
There is truth in the red letters
There is hope for the hopeless
Peace and forgiveness
There is life in the red letters
                dcTalk, "Red Letters"





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:47
Subject: Re: Maekawa's ET

>I wish I had been one of those people who had figured out Jun Maekawa's
>Extraterrestrial Being from Origami for the Connoisseur.  I did mention
>looking for bird base patterns in connection with folding paper into
>Fumiaki Kawahata's Master Jedi Yoda at the same time I was overhearing
>a discussion about the Extraterrestrial going on.  Somehow, either
>through my not paying attention to what was being asked while I was
>teaching Yoda, or just through general confusion, the two conversations
>merged and mixed.  So, instead of asking me how to fold from that
>crease pattern, I would like to join those still wondering how.
>
>        Carol Martinson

No doubt the confusion was mine.  Thank you for correcting me so gently.

>From Michael Janssen-Gibson:

>Have you tried the following site with tips and hints on the ET?
>
>http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models/humans/et/index.htm

No, I hadn't tried that -- thanks for the URL.  I'll check it out.

Another thing I noticed at ORCA:  there seems to be a lot of recent
creativity with twist folds.  Is there some general theory of when a twist
fold will work -- that is, what is required so that when you rotate an
outer section of paper, an inner section will raise and then flatten
against it?

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:47
Subject: Re: ORCA copyright lecture (long)

Also at ORCA:  Kathleen Thomas Petrich, an attorney specializing in
Patents, Trademarks, and copyrights, spoke on these subjects as related to
origami.  The man who tapes Michael LaFosse videotaped it, so more detail
might be available through that. The main points I took from the session
were these:

Her gut feeling is that origami diagrams would be legally like sewing
patterns.  When you buy a sewing pattern, you receive an implicit license
to make something from it, and then do whatever you want with what you have
made.  But you cannot copy and distribute the patterns.  So, in origami,
you could make the models but not photocopy the diagrams.

However, origami's likeness to sewing patterns has never been tested
legally -- that is, taken to trial.  And, taking it to trial would be very
expensive -- in the neighborhood of $500,000.  (Yes, five hundred thousand
dollars.)

When asked why origami diagrams wouldn't be like sheet music, where
performing from the printed material incurs a need to pay royalties, she
said, that's a good question, and might have something to do with the money
musicians and music companies spend lobbying and protecting their products
through ASCAP and BMI.

A note for anyone new to the list:  copyright has periodically inspired
much debate here, and there is much of interest in the archives about it.

The diagrams-as-sewing-patterns analogy seems good for folders to me -- it
means we can buy a book, fold the models, and not worry about it.  It is
less generous to creators, since it means that once diagrams are published,
creators lose control of the models made from them.  Ethics come into play
here.  But I had a strategic thought -- since origami falls in a legal grey
area at the moment, and diagrams would seem to give an implicit license, it
might be valuable to make that license explicit and then limit it.  I asked
her about this, and she said that it might strengthen a case.  In any case,
it would let folders know how the creators wanted their models treated.
It's a shame to add more legalese to our lives, but if you care (and if you
have enough cooperation from the publisher to manage it), it might be worth
adding a license statement to the copyright page, something along the lines
of:

License is granted with purchase of this book to fold and display the
models within it for personal use and enjoyment.  License is not granted to
sell copies of the models, nor to display them publicly unless the name of
the creator is shown with the model.

No doubt the wording could be improved, and there may be other freedoms and
strictures to include.

Anyway, this seemed substantial and new enough to report.  Thanks for your
patience to those who've been through dozens of copyright messages before.
Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 02:27
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

>>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>
>>>Yes, you're quite right. Must be a naming problem...I was thinking so hard
>>>about house cats that the bobcat totally slipped my mind.
>
>I only saw that model published in North American Animals in Origami.
>I wonder whether it *was* intended as a domestic cat and some translator
>garbled its name, since its tail is way too long for a bobcat, while
>the latter's characteristic whiskers are simply missing.
>Isn't it a strange mismatch, coming from such a technical creator like
>KAWAHATA (not considering his three recent intermediate books)?
>
>        Sincerely,
>                Carlos
>        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

The model has whiskers, just small whiskers.  I could see not folding real
whiskers because wouldn't the same problem come up that does with insects'
legs as Lang commented on awhile back?  Whiskers are very fine but how do
you fold long whiskers that are that thin?  The result would be weird.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 02:29
Subject: Re: Tangents on Origami

>Have you tried the following site with tips and hints on the ET?
>
>http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models/humans/et/index.htm
>
>I found it very helpful, using the instructions a while back to fold a
>decent example of the ET model. I found the photo in Origami for the
>Conniosseur a little misleading, especially in the shaping of the arms and
>the proportions of the legs.
>
>HOpe this helps
>regards
>Michael Janssen-Gibson

Wow!  I didn't know that there were diagrams that had the solution up!  Gee
whiz!

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 03:05
Subject: ORCA/Montroll question

I don't know the ORCA timeline, but if people are back I have a question.
Someone awhile back said that Montroll's new book was going to be sold at
ORCA convention.  So was it?  How is it?  What models are in there?  And
why has only Anna Weathers said anything about the convention!?  This is
weird since you guys flooded the list with OUSA convention threads not too
long ago, but like nothing on ORCA.

David





From: Darren Scott <Darren.Scott@SCI.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 04:43
Subject: Perfect Origami WEB page ?

There is a small group of Australian folders who are looking a creating
a New Web page as a team. We are currently looking for ideas of what
people would like included in this page. Of course diagrams for new
models go without saying but what else ?

Looking forward to your input

Regards

Darren





From: good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 06:03
Subject: Re: Stephen Weiss' $ Bill Cat

Is it possible that it's in the 1999 Ousa convention publication? I
don't have a copy so I can't check it out.





From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Miguel_A._Mart=EDn_Monje?=" <miguelmartin@TELELINE.ES>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 06:48
Subject: Information about the Spanish Origami Society

Hello!

    I am Miguel A. Martin, a member of the Group Editor of the Asociacion
     Espaola de Papiroflexia (Spanish Origami Society).

    I send you this e-mail to tell you about our page and our new address.

    We have a page in Internet: http://www.publynet.com/aep, it is not
     finished, but you can find several models from spanish folders.

    We also have a postcard address:

Asociacin Espaola de Papiroflexia
Apartado de Correos 13156
28080 Madrid
Espaa

    We publish a bulletin, Pajarita, and if you want to collaborate with us,
     please send us articles, news, models...

    I hope your answer and you collaboration.

    Thanks you and happy folding
__________________________________________
                   Miguel
       miguelmartin@teleline.es





From: Faye Goldman <fayeg@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 07:26
Subject: Meetings in Philadelpha PA

I'm on vacation for the next 2 weeks and want to remind anyone about
the Philadelphia meetings.

All ages welcome.

Greater Philadelphia Paper Folders
                Meetings        When:   First Monday of the month
                Time:   6:30-9:00pm
                September 6, 1999
                October 4, 1999
                November 1, 1999
                December 6, 1999

Awbury Arboretum Directions

>From the expressway:
Lincoln Drive to W. Johnson St. (make a right)
W. Johnson St. past Germantown and right on Chew
The Driveway to the Arboretum is between Walnut and High Streets.
We will be meeting in the main house.

Faye Goldman





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 09:17
Subject: Re: Perfect Origami WEB page ?

Take a look at Joseph Wu's site, and then come up with something completely
different, but just as comprehensive <g>.

IOW: I'd love to see an origami webpage with a distinct australian theme.
Origami kangaroos, wombats, boomerangs, Ayer's rock, dreamlines (uh-oh)...
both in diagrams and images. Plus any other origami models created by aussies.
Links to aussie origami webpages, aussie paper/book sources, aussie folders,
aussie beer... (for wetfolding purposes, of course), local groups and
meetings, etc.

Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)

Matthias

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>There is a small group of Australian folders who are looking a creating





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 09:41
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

>>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>

>>>garbled its name, since its tail is way too long for a bobcat, while
>>>the latter's characteristic whiskers are simply missing.
>>
>>The model has whiskers, just small whiskers.  I could see not folding real
Do you mean the four points at the very front of the model? I'd call it
a "moustache". By "whiskers" I meant the hair growing on the rear half
of the lower jaw, below (in humans) the sideburns. Full, "square" whiskers
are characteristic of bobcats, lynxes and tigers, and a few house cat
breeds.

>>whiskers because wouldn't the same problem come up that does with insects'
>>legs as Lang commented on awhile back?  Whiskers are very fine but how do
>>you fold long whiskers that are that thin?  The result would be weird.

In fact, I think even KAWAHATA's fine model calls undue attention to its
moustache.  The effect is nice in, say, JWu's starnosed mole, but
exaggerated in that "bobcat".

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 09:53
Subject: Re: Perfect Origami WEB page ?

Darren asked:

> There is a small group of Australian folders who are looking a creating
> a New Web page as a team. We are currently looking for ideas of what
> people would like included in this page. Of course diagrams for new
> models go without saying but what else ?

I would say photos of models. I have folded a great many models that I would
have otherwise passed up because I saw the model (or a photo) which made me
realize how deceptive the final diagram for the model was. Also note whether
the model is folded as diagrammed or if, even if you think it obvious, the
folder has gone beyound the diagrams.

And I'll second what was previously mentioned: info on Australian origami
sources, supplies, groups, etc. etc. etc.!

Good luck! (and don't forget to have fun too!)

-D'gou





From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Miguel_A._Mart=EDn_Monje?=" <miguelmartin@TELELINE.ES>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:08
Subject: Information about the Spanish Origami Society

Hello!

    I am Miguel A. Martin, a member of the Group Editor of the Asociacion
     Espaola de Papiroflexia (Spanish Origami Society).

    I send you this e-mail to tell you about our page and our new address.

    We have a page in Internet: http://www.publynet.com/aep, it is not
     finished, but you can find several models from spanish folders.

    We also have a postcard address:

Asociacin Espaola de Papiroflexia
Apartado de Correos 13156
28080 Madrid
Espaa

    We publish a bulletin, Pajarita, and if you want to collaborate with us,
     please send us articles, news, models...

    I hope your answer and you collaboration.

    Thanks you and happy folding
__________________________________________
                   Miguel
       miguelmartin@teleline.es





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:25
Subject: (NO) FrontPage for homepage - Was Perfect Origami WEB page

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>
Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)
>

And why not...?! Recommendations, anyone?





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:50
Subject: Re: (NO) FrontPage for homepage - Was Perfect Origami WEB page

>===== Original Message From Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> =====
>Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
>>
>>Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)
>And why not...?! Recommendations, anyone?

I'm sure there are many people who know much more about webdesign than me. But
from my personal (limited) experience at work and at home, here are the
reasons why I prefer html code editors to WYSIWYG- editors like Frontpage or
Netscape Composer or Claris Homepage etc:
-You have no control over what kind of code the editors produce.
-They produce much more tags than necessary. For some reason all three above
mentioned editors put almost everything into paragraps.
-And some of them (especially Frontpage and Composer) try to use browser-
specific tags that are not compatible with official HTML.

Of course, if your site is big, you need some kind of administration tool. I
don't have any experience with those, since my site is tiny enough to be
managed by hand.

For more html-related info than you'd ever care to read (including a list of
html editors), check out the HTML Writer's Guild at http://www.hwg.org/

Matthias





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:27
Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question

>I don't know the ORCA timeline, but if people are back I have a question.
>Someone awhile back said that Montroll's new book was going to be sold at
>ORCA convention.  So was it?  How is it?  What models are in there?  And
>why has only Anna Weathers said anything about the convention!?  This is
>weird since you guys flooded the list with OUSA convention threads not too
>long ago, but like nothing on ORCA.
>
>David

John Montroll was showing diagrams from his two upcoming books, but I did
not see the actual book.  The moneyfolds one, I believe, is up next.

Alert to money-folders -- Florence Temko has learned that rather than
updating the $ bill, they will be discontinuing it, it's just a matter of
when...

ORCA had scheduled events Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday.  Lots of
people skimped on sleep for the after hours sessions, and may still be
catching up at home.  Also, remember that ORCA had less than half the
attendance of OUSA, and many of those were drop-ins... I may just be the
only attendee who 1) is on this list and 2) tends to write a lot.  :)

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:54
Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question

John Montroll was indeed at ORCA.  His new book (with predominately closed
back animals) is at the publisher and will be ready in about one month.  He
did bring all the diagrams.  The models are qute nice.....much more
adaptable to wet folding than other Montroll animals.  Included is a horse
with rider (a la Creceda) that is quite foldable and not as bulky as
Creceda's.

The dollar bill diagrams were also at ORCA and quite impressive!  That book
won't be published for a while though.





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 12:28
Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question

John mentioned to me that the dollar bill book was due out in the spring of
2000.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hunter [mailto:rhunter4@IX.NETCOM.COM]
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:02 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question
>
>
> John Montroll was indeed at ORCA.  His new book (with
> predominately closed
> back animals) is at the publisher and will be ready in about
> one month.  He
> did bring all the diagrams.  The models are qute nice.....much more
> adaptable to wet folding than other Montroll animals.
> Included is a horse
> with rider (a la Creceda) that is quite foldable and not as bulky as
> Creceda's.
>
> The dollar bill diagrams were also at ORCA and quite
> impressive!  That book
> won't be published for a while though.





From: Dennis Walker <TheWalkers@INAME.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 13:13
Subject: Kawahata's Bobcat

>
> The model has whiskers, just small whiskers.  I could see not folding real
> whiskers because wouldn't the same problem come up that does with insects'
> legs as Lang commented on awhile back?  Whiskers are very fine but how do
> you fold long whiskers that are that thin?  The result would be weird.
>
> David

I like the Kawahata Bobcat! Admittedly when I showed it to someone at
work their reply was "Yuck, why does it have a mouse in its mouth?" I'm
still not sure if this was a comment on the relatively thick whiskers or
the quality of my folding!!!!

                                Dennis





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 13:20
Subject: Re: Weiss $$ cat diagrams

At 20:31 99/08/19 -0400, Russell Sutherland wrote:
> Stephen Weiss' $$ cat is diagrammed in MFPP's collection annual for this
>year       (also contains Wu's Eastern Dragon).

Oh, really? Funny...they never told me about it... 8(
----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Sandra P Hoffman <ghidra@CONSCOOP.OTTAWA.ON.CA>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 13:30
Subject: Re: ORCA copyright lecture (long)

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Doug and Anna Weathers wrote:
>
> Her gut feeling is that origami diagrams would be legally like sewing
> patterns.  When you buy a sewing pattern, you receive an implicit license
> to make something from it, and then do whatever you want with what you have
> made.  But you cannot copy and distribute the patterns.  So, in origami,
> you could make the models but not photocopy the diagrams.

I'm pretty sure designer sewing patterns, for example those sold by Vogue,
with a major designer's name on it have an explicit license limiting the
right to sell the article made from the pattern. I'm not fully unpacked
from my move in March and can't find my patterns, I may not have even
moved them as I don't sew much anymore, but a trip to a fabric store
should get the exact wording they use. It seems to me from my memory of
it the wording is that it could be used almost word for word for origami
diagrams. I doubt very much that it stops anyone from selling the odd
dress made from a designer pattern, but it certainly makes the intent of
the designer clear, and I imagine could be used to go to court if a
manufacturer tried to do a full scale rip off of the design.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman ghidra@conscoop.ottawa.on.ca
http://www.flora.org/sandra/
----------------------------
The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due,
not a garden swollen to a realm;
his own hands to use,
not the hands of others to command. --Sam Gamgee





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 13:51
Subject: Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon diagrams  WAS:Re: Weiss $$ cat diagrams

In a message dated 8/20/99 12:21:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
josephwu@ULTRANET.CA writes:

<< Stephen Weiss' $$ cat is diagrammed in MFPP's collection annual for this
 >year       (also contains Wu's Eastern Dragon).

 Oh, really? Funny...they never told me about it... 8( >>
>>>>>

It is featured as the final model.  Very nice diagrams, BTW.  I hope no
trouble is caused by my posting.

Russell

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:01
Subject: Re: Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon diagrams

At 13:49 99/08/20 -0400, Russell wrote:
>It is featured as the final model.  Very nice diagrams, BTW.  I hope no
>trouble is caused by my posting.

Well, it IS a breach of copyright. But, no, you've caused no trouble. While
I still maintain my strong stance on respect for designer's rights, in
practice I am quite free with my work. I just like to be asked first...(and
I reserve the right to say no if I want to).

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:12
Subject: Re: NO: Re: accents

Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET> sez

>What is the 'cheesypeas' all about, anyway? Is it another of Great Britain's
>fine contributions to the culinary arts, such as eel pie or spotted dick, or
>is there more to the story?

Did I reply to this? Oops if not!

It's a sketch from a comedy show (recently demised) here in Britainland
called the "Fast Show"...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:12
Subject: new items on the "Lister List"

I've posted web versions of more recent articles by David Lister at the
BOS site. They include Toshie Takahama, Closing Bags and Friedrich
Froebel.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:02
Subject: (NO) FrontPage for homepage -

Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez

>>>Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)
>>And why not...?! Recommendations, anyone?

I use Dreamweaver (wysiwyg) for most things, then Homesite (code) if I
need to hack things around much...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:06
Subject: Re: (NO) FrontPage for homepage -

Do I smell a religious war coming on?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Robinson [mailto:nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK]
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 11:27 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: (NO) FrontPage for homepage -
>
>
> Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH> sez
>
> >>>Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)
> >>And why not...?! Recommendations, anyone?
>
> I use Dreamweaver (wysiwyg) for most things, then Homesite (code) if I
> need to hack things around much...
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now
> featuring soda syphons!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@SIRIUS.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:25
Subject: Re: Stephen Weiss' $ Bill Cat

For anyone who's interested in my History of the drawings for this model (so
far)...

I learned the model from Phillip Yee and Allen Parry at the last Pacific Coast
Origami Convention in San Francisco. They taught the model to a class of about
25 students, and Phillip and Allen did a wonderful job, managing to get everyone
thru this relatively complicated model. Allen had learned the model from Step
Folds that Stephen Weiss had sent him directly.

Since I wanted to make sure I could always make this incredible dollar bill
fold, I put together a set of diagrams based on the model as taught, and sent
them out to a few folders for comments. Everyone was extremely helpful, as I've
come to expect when dealing with Origami folks ;-)

Since I'm a member of the Bay Area Rapid Folders, I gave Jeremy Shafer a copy of
the diagrams to include in one of the BARF newsletters. Jeremy had diagrammed
some of Stephen's models previously, and he agreed to contact Stephen to get
permission first, and make a few small changes.

Stephen and Jeremy went back and forth for about two months before both felt the
drawings were right - Stephen making suggestions, and Jeremy doing the editing.
Finally, the drawings were published in BARF.

For those interested, I do have a slightly modified .pdf file with the BARF
drawings on my server at:

http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/$BillCat.pdf

After working with Jeremy, Stephen was introduced to Annibal Voyer (sp?).
Annibal had offered to help diagram several of Stephen's models, begining with
the $ Bill Cat. Using the drawings Jeremy and I had produced, they decided to
add a $ Bill background to each picture, and deleted most of the text. These are
the drawings that appeared in the most recent (1999) OrigamiUSA annual
collection.

I'm thrilled by the possibility that more of Stephen's dollar bill models will
be getting diagrammed. His models seem to strike a balance by capturing the
essence of the intended subject, while not being overly complicated. And the
steps in his models seem to be "just right", with the occasional really cool
move that comes out of nowhere.

And that's the story of just one model's diagram!

Regards,

Charles Knuffke





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:50
Subject: Re: (NO) FrontPage for homepage - Was Perfect Origami WEB page

Why not? Because -- uh -- FrontPage sucks?! Do it like a man -- with
SimpleText (Macintosh) or NotePad(Windows)!

>From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: (NO) FrontPage for homepage - Was Perfect Origami WEB page
>Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:23:35 +0800
>
>Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> >
>Oh, and don't use Frontpage as your homepage editor :-)
> >
>
>And why not...?! Recommendations, anyone?

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 16:58
Subject: Re: Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon diagrams

<< It is featured as the final model.  Very nice diagrams, BTW.  I hope no
 >trouble is caused by my posting.

 Well, it IS a breach of copyright. But, no, you've caused no trouble. While
 I still maintain my strong stance on respect for designer's rights, in
 practice I am quite free with my work. I just like to be asked first...(and
 I reserve the right to say no if I want to).
  >>

First, let me say that I don't believe the Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de
Papier (MFPP) would intentionally have published your diagrams without
consent.

The accompanying text at the top of the diagrams states:

<QUOTE>
"Eastern Dragon" copyright 1998 by Joseph Wu  (Designed ca. 1992. Diagrammed
98-8-26 to 98-10-09.)

The Nippon Association (NOA) magazine, ORIGAMI, No. 149 (January 1999),
included diagrams for a dragon by KITAMURA Keiji. The head is subtle and
beautiful, blahblahblah...
<END QUOTE>

Perhaps NOA released permission to publish the diagrams.

I know Veronique Leveque and Guillaume Denis worked tireless hours, weeks,
and months coordinating their annual convention and publishing their
collection annual.  The recent convention was a huge success.... without any
scandal or incident.  Veronique and Guillaume should be congratulated for
their fine efforts and jobs well done.

If, in fact, your diagrams were published here without your personal
permission, I am sure there is a logical explanation.

Sincerely,

Russell Sutherland
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 17:06
Subject: Re: Joseph Wu's Eastern Dragon diagrams

At 16:56 99/08/20 -0400, you wrote:
>First, let me say that I don't believe the Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de
>Papier (MFPP) would intentionally have published your diagrams without
>consent.

And I would fully agree with you.

>The accompanying text at the top of the diagrams states:
>
><QUOTE>
>"Eastern Dragon" copyright 1998 by Joseph Wu  (Designed ca. 1992. Diagrammed
>98-8-26 to 98-10-09.)
>
>The Nippon Association (NOA) magazine, ORIGAMI, No. 149 (January 1999),
>included diagrams for a dragon by KITAMURA Keiji. The head is subtle and
>beautiful, blahblahblah...
><END QUOTE>
>
>Perhaps NOA released permission to publish the diagrams.

Nope. That's my text.

>I know Veronique Leveque and Guillaume Denis worked tireless hours, weeks,
>and months coordinating their annual convention and publishing their
>collection annual.  The recent convention was a huge success.... without any
>scandal or incident.  Veronique and Guillaume should be congratulated for
>their fine efforts and jobs well done.
>
>If, in fact, your diagrams were published here without your personal
>permission, I am sure there is a logical explanation.

Yes, I'm sure as well. Probably they just overlooked it in the busyness.
Like I said, I'm not upset, although I'd like to have a copy of that
collection!

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Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 17:50
Subject: Re: Group order for Gilgado Gomez's book?

Hello Everyone:
There seems to be some mis-understanding on Doug's part concerning Mr. Gomez's
book.  We had informed Doug over a month ago that Kim's Crane would NOT be
acquiring Mr. Gomez's book.

After checking into the cost for the book, it was determined that Kim's Crane
would have to sell the book at $35.00 plus shipping.  On a book Kim's Crane has
not reviewed, we felt this was too much to expect the origami community to pay
for a book we had not reviewed.  Also, the price we would be paying for the book
is the same as what the general public would pay if they were to order directly
from him.  In the future we might reconsider but at this time we can not justify
carrying this book.
Sincerely,
Kimberly and Gordon Crane

Doug Philips wrote:

> Phil and Amy wrote:
>
> > Awhile back, this list was abuzz about Fernando Gilgado Gomez's new book.
> > Someone had offered to organize a group order for the USA if there was
> > enough interest.  Has anything come of this, lately?
> >
> > I'm hesitant about ordering by myself since my Spanish is hideous.  I might
> > start a feud, or something. . .
>
> That would have been me. Given the hurdles involved in this, and my available
> time, I can not put this order together. My understanding is that Kim's Crane
> will be/has worked out something, so that might be an alternative avenue to
> starting your own international incident.
>
> It took me a long time to decide if I could put this together or not. Sorry
> for the delay.
>
> -Doug





From: Robert Honnies <honniesr@MC-MC.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 18:40
Subject: Can you please help? (part two)

I have received quite a few responses from members of this list server, and to
     say the least, I am overwhelmed by the graciousness of the individuals who
     have responded to the earlier message.  It has been requested by quite a
     few members for the followin
  items (and some suggested putting them on the list server):

1) The address.  I will be using my brothers address as I am in the middle of
     moving from Georiga to Michigan.
Jim Honnies
19005 SW Bany Rd
Aloha, Oregon, USA 97007

2) The color or color scheme.
My mother's favorite colors are red and pink

3) size of the paper.
I defer to your judgement.  Just so you know, we were thinking about hanging
     them from a large japanese umbrella that we will string the the cranes
     from.

I can not thank everyone enough for their kind words and encouragement.  I will
     send a message to the list when we have enough cranes, and I wll also let
     everyone know what my mother's response is.

God bless,
Robert
honniesr@mc-mc.com

>>> Robert Honnies <honniesr@MC-MC.COM> 8/19/99 11:43:40 PM >>>
I really don't know how to start this message, but here goes....

My Mother is Japanese and has been folding origami all of her life.  She has
     taught me, for as long as I can remember, the beautiful art of Origami and
     everytime I came back home to visit, we always ended up making either a
     bouqet of paper flowers or just
 sat, talked, and folded whatever came to mind.  Recently, this has changed...
     She is dying of terminal cancer.  She has been fighting it for the past
     seven years, but it has starting winning the battle over the past few
     months.  She is now bed ridden, al
 a

Why am I telling all of you this?  Well, it comes down to a Japanese tradition
     of making 1,000 cranes.  When I was very young, my Mom told me a story of
     1,000 cranes, in which, 1,000 cranes were made for a little girl, and she
     was granted a wish.  We don'
  think she has long left, and I won't be able to make all of them in time.
     This will be my way of helping her get through this and ease her pain.

If you can help, please e-mail me and I will send you my address to send them
     to.  This is not a hoax (A co-worker said people might think it was
     because of all the other hoaxes that happen on the internet).  I know this
     might not be the proper forum for
 his, I apologize for this... but, I am in dire need of assistance.

Thank you for help and I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
Robert Honnies
honniesr@mc-mc.com





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 19:20
Subject: $1 discontinued?

Anna,

Wow! Has anyone else heard more about this? Florence,
are you reading the mailing list right now?

I checked the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, but I
couldn't find anything. Their FAQs were unavailable,
though.

I did notice that the U.S. Treasury will be minting a
new $1 coin in 2000 ...

Anyways, I asked the Bureau and the Treasury, and
maybe they'll respond.

Regards,

Carmine

Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:20:16 -0400
From:    Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question

Alert to money-folders -- Florence Temko has learned
that rather than updating the $ bill, they will be
discontinuing it, it's just a matter of when...
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 21:01
Subject: Re: ORCA/Montroll question

>John Montroll was indeed at ORCA.  His new book (with predominately closed
>back animals) is at the publisher and will be ready in about one month.  He
>did bring all the diagrams.  The models are qute nice.....much more
>adaptable to wet folding than other Montroll animals.  Included is a horse
>with rider (a la Creceda) that is quite foldable and not as bulky as
>Creceda's.
>
>The dollar bill diagrams were also at ORCA and quite impressive!  That book
>won't be published for a while though.

Oh goody a man on a horse!  Yippee!  I can just imagine this awesome book
now!  I can't wait!!!!  Did you know when I was just a lad, in junior high,
I designed a bad fold of a man on a horse from the blintz bird base, it was
so thick it was absurd!  The man was that evil tip with like 16 layers or
something like that.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 21:03
Subject: Re: Kawahata's Bobcat

>
>I like the Kawahata Bobcat! Admittedly when I showed it to someone at
>work their reply was "Yuck, why does it have a mouse in its mouth?" I'm
>still not sure if this was a comment on the relatively thick whiskers or
>the quality of my folding!!!!
>
>                                Dennis

I think it looks neat too, I'm just saying hey give Kawahata a break on the
whiskers it's great to see an artistic rendering of whiskers, they suggest
it that is the power of origami: to suggest the animal with folds of a
paper.  You know you did a good job when you look at a piece of paper and
see an animal instead of a piece of paper.

David

Happy folding to all!!!!  I feel great!  I've been abstaining from coffee
all week until today and it's quite nice!





From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Date: 20 Aug 1999 21:59
Subject: Re: "Architectural Origami"

>[snip]You had 1 sheet of strong paper (no karton) about the size
>A3 and you had to fold a 3-dimensional structure (no cutting/no glue)
>which was able to withstand a minimum added weight of 500g.[snip]

Isn't it amazing that paper gets stronger when you fold it? It reminds me
of an article from the Journal of Irreproducible Results about someone who
noticed that toilet paper never rips on the perforated seams, so they
perforated the entire square, and it was indestructible! :-)

I too am interested in learning more about the architectural properties of
folded paper. Anyone out there know something about this?

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