




From: "Jonathan J. Picker" <Verdigris@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

At 12:11 AM 8/17/99 +0800, Ronald Koh wrote:
>I believe all budding authors of origami books would be interested to
>know your views on the following:
>
>1)      What do you look or hope for in an origami book which makes you want
>to buy it?
>
>2)      What do you not like to see/find in an origami book which could
>dissuade you from buying it, or from buying the next book by the same
>author (i.e. after having bought the first book)?
>
>

Well, I'd have to say that I really like how a lot of the Japanese books
I've seen have full color glossy pages at the beginning with photographs of
perfect models in a variety of paper choices.  You can peruse the photos,
see what number a particular model is, and go right to those pages--MUCH
nicer than a boring table of contents.

As I'm responding a little late in the game and all of the things I like
have already been mentioned, I'll just add that a poetic title would do
wonders.  I know that the publisher is responsible for naming books most of
the time, but "<insert adjective> Origami" is STALE!  How about, "Forest
for the Trees, a selection of origami models"?

Just a thought,

Jonathan

********************************************************
Jonathan J. Picker
Verdigris@earthlink.net

". . . And miles to go before I sleep . . ." --Robert Frost,
from his poem, "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening".





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: hot air balloons

PErick3491@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> .... does anyone know how to reach Yurii and Katrin Shumakovs? ....I sent
     them an email--no
> answer.

Yurii and Katrin can still be reached at 0rigami@aaanet.ru. However, I
believe they are currently in Japan, as guests of the Origami Tanteidan.

 Now their site has a script error message.

Their Oriland webpage has just undergone a major overhaul in preparation
for the ThinkQuest Competition 1999 (I think that is what it is called).
The URL is still www.origami.aaanet.ru. You were probably trying to
access the page while work was going on.

The new Oriland webpage is really something to behold - pop in for a
runaround and you will know what I mean. You will not find my origami
there anymore, though; at least, it wasn't there when I took a peek a
couple of hours ago. The Shumakovs informed me about two weeks ago that
they may have to omit my stuff as the rules for the competition allows
them to use their work and those of their students only. Yurii and
Katrin have been very gracious hosts and I wish them well in the
competition.

 Is there any information out there about their publications or where I
might find the diagrams for the
> hot air balloon?

Sorry, can't help you with this one!





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where is my cousin when I need her???

Evi wrote:
>
> Hi Jansill,
>
> don't tell Ronald Koh about the problems you had!
> He could get very scared, so we may never ever get to see his new book. :o)
>

(Shiver, violent shudder, teeth a-chatter:) Too late, Evi .... (shiver
shiver) ...

Jay:

I have copies of your books, and am glad that you came forward to relate
the problems you had. I will not go into details, but I had vaguely
similar problems a few years ago, and have been wondering ever since
whether I did the right thing: I walked away. And I all but gave up
plans to write a book. Your narrative probably answered that question,
and the encouragement I got from members of this list have reignited the
ambers.

Don't let one bad experience hold you back. Go do another book. Of
course, if the same @#%^&! occurs .....!

Cheers.





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: "Bad" books (was Re: Where is my cousin when I need her???)

>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

>>Beware. Gery is also on the 'Net (but not on this list). Gery has told me
                                        A pity.
>>that he really didn't know much about diagramming when he wrote that book,
Sure. The trouble is not only lack of clarity, but also the many "finish
as appropriate" instructions. In a book of animal models that would be
an invitation to new and possibly interesting variations. But in an "action"
theme, it's important exactly following the author's instructions lest
the action mechanism (in this case, proper airplane balance) fails.
Well, actually I'm not certain those planes really fly as promised by
the title, even when properly folded...

>>and that he now realizes just how bad it really is. Unfortunately, Dover
>>will keep it in print forever now...
Yes, Dover's catalog seemingly never shrinks. That's a blessing for many
classic books which can't be found elsewhere. In this case that's a curse...

But all is not lost, Gery can still clean his name for the generations
to come :) . Four books by John Montroll --- O.Sculptures,
O.Sea Life (w/ RJLang), Prehistoric O. and African Animals in O. ---
were published by Dover/Antroll, then later reissued in a larger, thinner
format, the same used e.g. by O.Inside-out and Teach Yourself O.
IMHO the former format was much more practical --- to say nothing
of the color photographs in the covers, instead of rather "silly" drawings
we're used to in all recent Montroll books.

However, PO's 1st edition had badly rendered diagrams, with awful
line widths and terrible miter limit which made slender limbs look at
least 20% longer. The larger format edition (reddish cover) has much
cleaner diagrams. I don't have it, so couldn't check whether that foreword
on dinos was fixed --- did you know, some Ornitischians, T.rex included,
ate flesh? I also don't know whether the references to YOSHIZAWA models
in O.Sea Life were corrected.

>>Gery also told me that he's been working on a number of animals using an
>>"animal base" that he's developed. I've yet to see his new work.
Just waiting too. Please keep us informed.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Southeastern Origami Festival

Does anyone know if there will be a Southeastern Origami Festival this
fall (autumn)?  I have a folding friend who is very much hoping to go
hoping to go, and is anxious to make plans.

Sonia Wu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: "Bad" books

At 16:30 99/08/18 -0300, Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>Sure. The trouble is not only lack of clarity, but also the many "finish
>as appropriate" instructions.

Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about that. Bad decision.

>Well, actually I'm not certain those planes really fly as promised by
>the title, even when properly folded...

I can't speak for all of them, but I managed to complete a number of them
(well, as far as I can tell, anyway) and they all do fly.

>Yes, Dover's catalog seemingly never shrinks. That's a blessing for many
>classic books which can't be found elsewhere. In this case that's a curse...

My point precisely.

>But all is not lost, Gery can still clean his name for the generations
>to come :) .

Yes, he can. Maybe Dover would permit a second edition?

>Just waiting too. Please keep us informed.

If I hear anything, I'll pass it on.

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From: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: mythical beings

While checking the book sites, saw a copy for sale for $52.00 dollars.
I was lucky to find at cover 2 years ago

david





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Matrix update

I check the rumor with a friend at work and the Matrix is planning two more
movies. As a result of Columbine, the original plans called for the Matrix
to only be releases as a DVD and a rental video. The current release date on
video and DVD is November 28th. By the way, The Phantom Menace is to be
released on March 28th. There are discussion about have it released in
theaters for the holiday crowd.

For more information check: http://www.cinescape.com/

This sight contains TV, Movie and SF information. SF is science fiction;
scifi is for the mundanes.

Mark





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Origami Monsters

Just writing in defence of Jay Ansill. Living in the south west of England
(Plymouth in fact) I find it very difficult buying any sort of book on
origami so I jump at the chance whenever anything pops up. initially I was
stuck with Robert Harbin's books which are still excellent little tomes!,
bought I may add from charity shops.... we stoop so low for the things we
love! When I found Origami Monsters it was my first introduction to 'modern'
origami and I was well impressed with what could be folded, and it rekindled
my interest. So whatever the failings of the book we shouldn't forget that
anything which helps to get people interested and gets the message across is,
in the greater scheme of things, a good thing.

Leigh

ps Just managed to get some of the end rolls from my local newspaper. Does
anybody have any experiance at folding models from six foot newspaper???

http://hometown.aol.com/origami451/index.html





From: Dennis Walker <TheWalkers@INAME.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Folding using large rolls of newsprint

Hi Leigh,

        Yes, I once folded a Nakano Tiger a similar roll of newspaper. It was a
long time ago (about 10 years) but as I remember.
        Make sure that you have a FLAT floor that is large enough. Folding on
carpet does not make for good or accurate creasing. The model will tend
to be very, very flimsy and the old 'splayed leg' problem was only
surmountable by firstly attempting to use cardboard and paper clips and
finally solved by pinning the thing to a wall so that there was no
strain on the legs at all.

        It was fun though!  Good Luck

                                        Dennis





From: Emily Brunson <janissa@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Matrix update

The video is already on sale (VHS) for pre-order at various dealers.  There
was a petition to release Matrix for *sale* and not just rental, after the
decision to do rental-only was announced, and apparently it succeeded; in
any case, you will be able to buy VHS tapes.  Release date that I have for
rental and DVD is Sept 21; VHS to buy is Nov 23 (at reel.com).

*shrug*  Looks like as always the web has produced some varying results --
dunno which is correct, but if retailers are offering tapes for sale, with
firm dates, I'd go with that.

Em

At 04:33 PM 8/18/1999 -0400, Kennedy, Mark wrote:
>I check the rumor with a friend at work and the Matrix is planning two more
>movies. As a result of Columbine, the original plans called for the Matrix
>to only be releases as a DVD and a rental video. The current release date on
>video and DVD is November 28th. By the way, The Phantom Menace is to be
>released on March 28th. There are discussion about have it released in
>theaters for the holiday crowd.
>
>For more information check: http://www.cinescape.com/
>
>This sight contains TV, Movie and SF information. SF is science fiction;
>scifi is for the mundanes.
>
>Mark





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Monsters

----- Original Message -----
From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> ps Just managed to get some of the end rolls from my local newspaper. Does
> anybody have any experiance at folding models from six foot newspaper???

Haven't done newsprint, mostly thinker bond than that. It would seem that
newsprint would be too wobbly at that size unless one wet folded and then
coated with some sort of resin, or had very thick, overlapping structural
lines in the center to help hold things up appropriately. How difficult was
the paper to obtain? Would they just give it to one who really had a use for
it, or did you know someone at the local newspaper and already have an in
there? I'd love to try it.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: off-list response apology

Zowie!! I've had it brought to my attention by a member of the group that
two postings about food meant to be priv. e-mail, I sent instead to the
whole list last night. Sorry folks, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers with
such off-topic issues. If any sensibilities were offended, my most profuse
apologies.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

As far as I know it will be next year.  Jonathan Baxter could answer you for
sure.

Pat





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

It will indeed be in 2000 and NOT this year.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Ellis [mailto:EllisPS@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 3:37 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival
>
>
> As far as I know it will be next year.  Jonathan Baxter could
> answer you for
> sure.
>
> Pat





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

The Southeastern Origami Festival is in the fall of 2000. So in 2000 there will
be three
origami conventions to chose from:  San Francisco, NY, and Southeastern.

Kimberly
http://www.kimscrane.com

Pat Ellis wrote:

> As far as I know it will be next year.  Jonathan Baxter could answer you for
> sure.
>
> Pat





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

No choice is needed, just go to all three ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimberly Crane [mailto:kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:19 PM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival
>
>
> The Southeastern Origami Festival is in the fall of 2000. So
> in 2000 there will
> be three
> origami conventions to chose from:  San Francisco, NY, and
> Southeastern.
>
> Kimberly
> http://www.kimscrane.com
>
> Pat Ellis wrote:
>
> > As far as I know it will be next year.  Jonathan Baxter
> could answer you for
> > sure.
> >
> > Pat





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>

> No choice is needed, just go to all three ;-)
>

> > Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival
> >
> >
> > The Southeastern Origami Festival is in the fall of 2000. So
> > in 2000 there will
> > be three
> > origami conventions to chose from:  San Francisco, NY, and
> > Southeastern.

Easy for you to say. I'll be lucky to hit both SF and SW. Barring successful
get-rich-quick schemes, I think NY is out of the question.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Fascinating Folds... help!

Can anyone tell me how long it takes for Fascinating  Folds to get in contact
with you to confirm an on-line order. I'm starting to get just a little
concerned now. Especially since the UK does not feature on their shipping
charges list.

**************************************
* Eruditus Has Left The Building *





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Where can I find...

Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably with
6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
much covered...

Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a request for such
a model...

**************************************
* Eruditus Has Left The Building *





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

At 20:21 99/08/18 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably with
>6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
>much covered...

Mainly because cats are hard to model well. Look at a cat's head from the
front and from the side, and you have two different animals. Getting a good
3D shape is extremely difficult. That's why most designs either show a flat
side view or a flat front view. No cat design I've seen includes whiskers, BTW.

>Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
>buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a request for such
>a model...

I'd have to agree with you there... >8)

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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
> buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a request for
such
> a model...
>

"Brother Maynard, fetch the Holy handgrenade.." (of Antioch, that is...) or
is that weapon reserved for rabbits?

I think if you can do the cat out of a basic Montroll Frog with Toes type
start, you've got your best bet. It may be problematic to get six whiskers
out of the small bird base at the point of the head, unless there is a
convenient way to double the bird base without making the entire rear of the
model flimsy. I'd also bet that the extra paper in front might provide good
teeth material, but I'd have to try it to determine that and I'm currently
in a position where all my time not spent befuddling this list is spent in
my darkroom.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Lizzie Borden

Scott Cramer wrote:

> I understand that Lizzie Borden was a real babe, too...

Ah, but I read a book years ago that claimed she got a
bad rap -- it was the maid what done it!

Mike "Always looking for the answers" Naughton





From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Templates

david whitbeck wrote:

> this is so natural that many people must use templates
> for some reason or another . . . .  So my question is: do
> you (anyone on the list) use templates, and for what
> reason did you use them?

I confess! I use templates, mostly when I'm doing modular
folding (which is what I'm doing most of the time!) and I
need to have all the modules come out the same (*and* --
important note here! -- as long as they are the same they
don't need to be any *particular* dimensions! -- although
I also use templates to create precise dimensions).

Typically, my template will consist of a spare sheet of
paper with a vertical fold; I then slide a second sheet
in so the raw edge of the second sheet meets the crease
on the template, and then I fold the other vertical raw
edge of the second sheet to meet the raw edge of the first.

I sometimes have to account for paper "creep", but it's a
great way to put creases right where I want them, over and
over again.

Hard to describe in words, but if anyone's _really_ interested
you can contact me privately (mjnaught@crocker.com) and I can
go into more detail. This may inspire me to produce the "Joy
of Templates" diagrams that I have been planning for a while!

Mike "Anything to make it easier" Naughton





From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Lizzie Borden

> Scott Cramer wrote:
>
> > I understand that Lizzie Borden was a real babe, too...
>
> Ah, but I read a book years ago that claimed she got a
> bad rap -- it was the maid what done it!
>
> Mike "Always looking for the answers" Naughton
   --------
       As far as anyone knows, Miss Lizzie (or after the trial, Lizbeth)
never spoke of the murders.
       But they have been attributed not only to Bridget, the maid, but to a
half-brother that may or may not have existed; a neighbor, Dr. Bowen; an
uncle who was visiting at the time; her sister, Emma; or an unknown crazed
or sane person.
      We can probably rule out double suicide.
       And to find out would spoil the intrigue.
       Short of someone finding a signed, verifiable confession by Miss
Borden, we ain't never gonna know.
JMS





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Dave Stephenson wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably with
> 6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
> much covered...

My favourite cat model is by Herman Van Goubergen, very simple model, but
a bugger to get just right in terms of looks. If whiskers are needed, try
Fumiaki Kawahata's cat in the Montroll book "North American ANimals".
There is a nicely proportioned cat in one of the Tanteidan conventions
books, I think by Makoto Yamaguchi (please correct me if I'm wrong).

> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
> buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth

Cats? If you hadn't mentioned the animal and the teeth, I could have sworn
you were describing some people. Most of the cats I have met and know are
far too varied in personality to ever be labelled as superficial, and are
generally very good at judging character.

If you have found them vindictive in the past, maybe it is a case of
revenge? :}

regards,
Michael Janssen-Gibson





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

At 03:41 PM 8/18/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if there will be a Southeastern Origami Festival this
>fall (autumn)?  I have a folding friend who is very much hoping to go
>hoping to go, and is anxious to make plans.
>
>Sonia Wu
>
>
Hi Sonia,

I think that SEOC is every other year, but I'm sure
somebodyelse on the list will correct me if I'm wrong.

Ria





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

Dave Stephenson wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably with
> 6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
> much covered...
>
> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
> buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a request for such
> a model...
>
> **************************************
> * Eruditus Has Left The Building *
> **************************************
My vote is for Tomoko Fuse's cat in SIMPLE TRADITIONAL ORIGAMI. It's
elegant and simple to make...sorry no whiskers.  I do give a fingernail,
push on its nose that gives a little more character to its face.
Aloha, Jan





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Templates

In a message dated 8/18/99 7:56:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
mjnaught@CROCKER.COM writes:

<<  this is so natural that many people must use templates
 > for some reason or another . . . .  So my question is: do
 > you (anyone on the list) use templates, and for what
 > reason did you use them? >>

I use my paper cutter to lightly score paper into grids sometimes. Many
models contain grid bases of sorts . My paper cutter has indentions each 1/2
inch, and the scoring process goes much quicker than actually having to fold
the grids manually.  I take advantage of this scoring process whenever
possible.  Before scoring, however, I make sure to familiarize myself with
the diagrams of the particular model and grid only those lines which are
necessary/permanent and use this technique to  lightly mark other reference
points as I go.

Most recently, I used this gridding method to prepare  3 x 9 inch grids of
assorted colors of cardstock in order to use them to fold PITO QUE PITA's (a
NEAT little model by Angel Ecija found in Vicente Palacios' book, SELECTA).
I used these grids while demonstrating origami last Saturday and Sunday at a
new Michael's craft store here in San Antonio.  [I will be teaching origami
classes twice a week starting this Friday.]  This model is an awesome little
whistle that really whistles [for those not familiar with it].  With the
pre-gridded cardstock, I am able to fold a completed (and working) whistle in
no more than 3 minutes.  I folded over a dozen this last weekend while
demonstrating, and no model failed to whistle.  If you push on the sides of
the whistle while blowing, you can get the whistle to change pitch up to 1/2
octave.... IMPRESSIVE.  Needless to say, "El Pito" was a great hit at the
demonstrations.. and a dozen or so "lucky" people immensely appreciated the
whistle each took home.

Those of you who have not had luck with this model,  try the 1 inch cardstock
grids to make it.... I fooled around with different papers, but this seemed
to work like a charm.

PLEASE NOTE:  Before scoring the cardstock, sponge the paper on both sides to
evenly dampen it.  This keeps the paper fibers from ripping when scoring.
Cut to size while still moist. Before folding, let the paper dry out
completely. I found it was easier to fold with dry paper in this instance.

I folded Neil Elias' Last Waltz last week using this method, but only scored
those folds which collapse into the base form. I also lightly marked the
reference points.... Worked great.

I have used this technique to fold many of Thoki's Umilius Rectangulums...
again only marking the necessary lines.

Some of my original creations have utilized this grid method:  "Fiesta
Gourd", "Face Nouveau", "Inchorm", "Piggie", "Teddy Bear", etc...

These are just a few of the models I have used this time-saving method on.

I have used other types of templates, too.... Maybe another time.

Just thought I would share.

Russell Sutherland
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO GRID!!!!!!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: [NO] Apology

I apologize for sending so much email on non-origami topics.  I have abused
this group and I apologize.

Sincerely,

David Whitbeck





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

>Dave Stephenson wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably
>>with
>> 6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
>> much covered...
>>
>> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
>> buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a request for such
>> a model...
>>
>> **************************************
>> * Eruditus Has Left The Building *
>> **************************************
>My vote is for Tomoko Fuse's cat in SIMPLE TRADITIONAL ORIGAMI. It's
>elegant and simple to make...sorry no whiskers.  I do give a fingernail,
>push on its nose that gives a little more character to its face.
>Aloha, Jan

There is Anibal Voyer's gato.

David





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find....

Greetings:

I like Tomoko Fuse's cat also.  As a cat owner,
I find cats to have very distinct personalities,
and I thought it was unfair to stereotype them
the way Dave S. did.  My husband on the other hand,
would probably agree with him about the "buggers"!

Ria,(whose cat is purrrrfectly lovable), Sutter





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Apology

>
> I apologize for sending so much email on non-origami topics.  I have abused
> this group and I apologize.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> David Whitbeck
>
Odds are for each person who feels abused there is one who does not. As long
as there is an NO in the heading, I certainly don't mind.

--
---
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ackerman@dorsai.org
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From: Michie Sahara <michies@WESTWORLD.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Origami demonstration

My mother Masako Sakai and I will be demonstrating and teaching some of the
models out of our book, "Origami: Rokoan Style" this Sunday August 22nd 1pm
to 3pm at Kinokuniya Bookstore in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles, CA.  This is a
part of Nisei Week Festival.  Kinokuniya Bookstore is at 123 Astonaut
Ellison S. Onizuka St. Suite 205, Los Angeles, CA...inside Weller Court.
Tel:  213-687-4480
Hope to see you.  Michie





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Apology

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

> > I apologize for sending so much email on non-origami topics.  I have
abused
> > this group and I apologize.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > David Whitbeck
> >
> Odds are for each person who feels abused there is one who does not. As
long
> as there is an NO in the heading, I certainly don't mind.

May I suggest that before we piss off the person who originally objected to
the food thread, we hasten away from an even further off-topic 'apology'
thread.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 18 Aug 1999
Subject: Kawahata's Apatosaurus

I noticed that step 51 and the photo don't match: how the tail is folded is
different, the diagrams have you make a crimp that goes about half way and
the photo shows the crimp going full way.  Is that just because the little
curvy folds on the bottom go all the way to where the crimp ends?  Or is
the crimp actually going full way?  This is a pretty neat 3d model and good
for xerox paper.  I'm trying to use softer folds on this model to hopefully
get it right for the pegasus.  I have a problem with the tail: it goes down
to far so his rear legs are up in the air.  Any suggestions on how to
remedy this?

David
ps What's the difference between an Apatosaurus and a Brontosaurus?





From: Derek Cassidy <cassiddr@DUX4.TCD.IE>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Sheep Anywhere?

Has anyone got diagrams for an origami sheep?





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere?

In 'Secrets of Origami', there is a sheep by Ligia Montoya. It's the only I
     have come across so far...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere?

I don't have a diagram for this model but if you blintz fold a bird base,
then reverse one side (i.e so one diamond is black and the other white) .
Fold in half lengthways with the white on the outside, double(triple?)
reverse fold the back half of the black triangle to form two legs. Crimp fold
the front half to form two legs and a pointy bit, then form the head from the
pointy bit. Now either sink, or fold about a 1/4 of each end of the white
diamond into itself (The head should be showing). Then fold the bottom point
of the white diamond in a bit for shape.

A bit basic but there you have it one sheep.... I'll try and draw it in paint
and mail it as an attachment.

**************************************
* Eruditus Has Left The Building *





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Lizzie Borden

> Ah, but I read a book years ago that claimed she got a
> bad rap -- it was the maid what done it!
>

Hold on...I thought it was her mom and dad who got the "bad raps" :o)
sorry couldn't resist now i must get back to lurking





From: David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Origami Newbie

Hy, I'm new on this origami thing. I've started because I have a few kids to
take care of and I thought that origami could be a great thing to do for
them. I've been searching on internet for origami diagrams easy for the
children but, as I tried to make them myself, I discovered the diagrams are
a little bit difficult to read. Can anyone help me on this?

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From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere?

There is a sheep diagram by Andy Carpenter in origami interest
group archive if you do want it quick.

Sy Chen (sychen@erols.com)

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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: NO:  Re: Where can I find...

Message text written by Origami List
>> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial wee
> buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth,<

        As Dave Barry once said:  "Everybody is entitled to their opinion,
and yours is wrong."

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__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

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 Albuquerque NM 87104-1375
 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
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From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Kawahata's Apatosaurus

Message text written by Origami List
>ps What's the difference between an Apatosaurus and a Brontosaurus?<

        Hey, did I just hear my cue???  ;-D

        The difference is:  there is no difference.  Both animals were
named and described by famed paleontologist O.C. Marsh in the late 1800's
based on two different sets of bones -- both were very incomplete specimens
with few or no overlapping elements.  Marsh named one set _Apatosaurus_; he
later named the other set "Brontosaurus."  Further discoveries of more
complete specimens that contained elements overlapping those present in the
types of both _Apatosaurus_ and "Brontosaurus" showed that the two were
actually the same animal.  Under the International Rules of Zoological
Nomenclature, when this situation occurs, the first name has priority and
the second (and any further) names are (origamically speaking, of course!)
sunk.

        HOWever...famed taxonomic oversplitter Robert Bakker has claimed
for years that he can demonstrate that _Apatosaurus_ and "Brontosaurus" are
indeed two separate animals, although he has yet to outline any of this in
print for scientific scrutiny.  Until then, _Apatosaurus_ is the proper
name for all known specimens of this particular sauropod dinosaur.

        Hope that helps!

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 Phone: (505) 899-2809
 Fax: (505) 841-2866
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From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Kawahata's Apatosaurus

>>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>>
>>I noticed that step 51 and the photo don't match: how the tail is folded is
>>different, the diagrams have you make a crimp that goes about half way and
>>the photo shows the crimp going full way.  Is that just because the little
Unless the paper is incredibly elastic, a partial crimp forces the
tail to be a 3-D tube. Probably that's the author's intention. Either
the model in the photo _looks_ to be fully crimped (the lower half crease
is only that, a crease --- can't check, my copy is at home) or it
was folded differently for practical reasons.
Don't worry too much, just make the model as round as you can, avoiding
hard bends. You can notice small mismatches in diagrams vs. photos of
other models in OF. Maybe KAWAHATA updated the diagrams and used earlier
versions of the photographs.  Or the reverse may be true. Or he just
wanted to suggest variations.
For a treat, check the special report on KAWAHATA in ORU#4. The carnosaur
is IMHO much cooler than either the T.rex or the Allosaurus in OF.

>>get it right for the pegasus.  I have a problem with the tail: it goes down
                       That's a nice model I always do with copier paper

>>to far so his rear legs are up in the air.  Any suggestions on how to
>>remedy this?
Only the obvious, increase the angle and/or number of crimps near the
tail root.

>>ps What's the difference between an Apatosaurus and a Brontosaurus?
NO:
Technically none. Someone (Othniel? Cope? Jerry, lend me a hand)
first discovered a few bones and named them Apatosaurus (deceptive
lizard, headless lizard, depending on translator). Later a more
complete (but headless) skeleton was discovered, assumed to be a
different animal, and called Brontosaurus (thunder lizard). Much
later the two were discovered to be the same, and according to
zoological rules, the earlier name is official. So although Brontosaurus
is a much more popular name, it's scientifically incorrect.

Please note, the full story of sauropoda/diplodocidae taxonomy is much more
convoluted and full of interesting twists and turns involving
envy, haste and prestige.
Actually, many other fossils suffer from the same name confusion,
famous dinos including Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus, Monoclonius/???ceratops,
possibly Polacanthus, and so on.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere?

There's a simple and effective sheep in David Brill's Brilliant Origami.
Rams are much more common, check KASAHARA's Creative Origami, Montroll's
Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac in Origami, several books
by YOSHIZAWA, including his Living Nature (or Masterworks, depend on
translator), ORU quarterly#1.

        Sincerely,
                Carlos





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere? A ram?

Someone inquired about sheep diagrams.  I think there is a ram diagram
in Kasahara's Creative Origami.  Also, it seems to me there may be a
sheep diagram on one of those freebie diagram sheets that come with
packs of paper--possibly from Aitoh?

Sonia Wu





From: sychen@EROLS.COM
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

Welcome to the list. Just name the diagram. I am sure someone
in the netland would help.

Happy folding!
Sy Chen (sychen@erols.com)

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David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM> Wrote on
        Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:16:45 PDT
 ------------------
Hy, I'm new on this origami thing. I've started because I have
a few kids to
take care of and I thought that origami could be a great thing
to do for
them. I've been searching on internet for origami diagrams easy
for the
children but, as I tried to make them myself, I discovered the
diagrams are
a little bit difficult to read. Can anyone help me on this?

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From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Templates

>david whitbeck wrote:
>
>> this is so natural that many people must use templates
>> for some reason or another . . . .

    I had never used a template, but this posting gave me food for
thought...

    I've folded Tom Hull's Five Intersecting Tetrahedra several times
recently, trying for smaller and smaller units, but accuracy starts to
become an issue quickly. There is an indexing fold for the 60 degree end
fold, but at small scale the width of the crease itself becomes a fudge
factor. (See http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/fit.html for details).

    So, I took a scrap of poster board and cut it to the width of the module
at the point in the folding sequence when the angles are made at the ends. I
cut one end of my strip to a 60 degree point, and the other to a 120 degree
point. Holding the template over the module and creasing the angles is far
more accurate and incredibly fast compared to making them 'one by each' the
usual way.

    I get a peculiar feeling that I've violated the spirit of the art by
mechanizing the process, but it's hard to argue with the results.

    This could be adapted to most any modular fold, and while it might
require more than one template to make the various folds, the time spent in
making the templates is paid back the first time it is used.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"I don't have a quote to put here"





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

>David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Hy, I'm new on this origami thing. I've started because I have
>a few kids to
>take care of and I thought that origami could be a great thing
>to do for
>them. I've been searching on internet for origami diagrams easy
>for the
>children but, as I tried to make them myself, I discovered the
>diagrams are
>a little bit difficult to read. Can anyone help me on this?

Welcome David,

    For a quick lesson with animated illustrations, try
http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hatori/studio/index.html

    You can quickly learn the traditional crane, stacking boxes, and most
kids'  all-time favorite, the waterbomb. I'm sure someone on the list can
come up with a URL that offers clear explanations of the basic symbols
common to all origami diagrams.

    Good luck and happy folding!

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"I don't have a quote to put here"





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:

> side view or a flat front view. No cat design I've seen includes whiskers,
     BTW.

Kawahata's Bobcat, no?





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 19 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 08:21:49PM -0400, Dave Stephenson wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably with
> 6-8 whiskers). It seems strange to me that it doesn't seem to be a subject
> much covered...

There are diagrams of Herman van Goubergen's Cat available at
http://www.papierfalten.de/en/diagrams.html. It doesn't have whiskers,
though. Oh, and don't expect to get it right the first time; I needed at
least half a dozen attempts before producing one presentable model. (And
I cannot really fold it anymore.)

> Oh, and for the record I consider cats to be vindictive superficial
> wee buggers with sharp claws and big pointy teeth, but I have a
> request for such a model...

Tsk, tsk ...

--
Yours, Sebastian <skirsch@t-online.de>

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From: Norman Budnitz <nbudnitz@DUKE.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 13:12
Subject: Re: Southeastern Origami Festival

>Does anyone know if there will be a Southeastern Origami Festival this
>fall (autumn)?  I have a folding friend who is very much hoping to go
>hoping to go, and is anxious to make plans.
>
>Sonia Wu

Alas, no.  The Southeastern Origami Festival comes around only once every
two years.  Keep your hopes and dreams and enthusiasm alive for the year 2000.

Norm

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                                919-684-6168 (fax)

Dept of Zoology, Duke University, Box 90325, Durham NC 27708-0325 (work)
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 13:23
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere? A ram?

>Someone inquired about sheep diagrams.  I think there is a ram diagram
>in Kasahara's Creative Origami.  Also, it seems to me there may be a
>sheep diagram on one of those freebie diagram sheets that come with
>packs of paper--possibly from Aitoh?
>
>Sonia Wu

There is a bighorn in North American Animals that's a simple fold but I've
never been satisfied with the horns, and he looks kind of boxy.  I like the
Chinese Zodiac Ram better.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 13:33
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

I don't know how hard this is supposed to be but there is Tom Hull's zigzag
units at http://chasm.merrimack.edu/~thull/phzig/phzig.html and it seems to
me that there are lots of simple folds as well as complex ones at Joseph
Wu's site.  Is it the complexity or the readablility of the diagrams that's
the issue?  If you give them a simple book in a few days I bet they'd
probably master every fold and have folded them all many times, if they
really liked it.  That would always be better than printing up diagrams
which they'll wrinkle or lose in no time flat, you'd have to keep printing
it up for them!  Well anyhow that's my two cents.  I think you can't go
wrong with traditional folds for beginners.

David





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 13:49
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

> There is a book called something like Origami for Parties by Makoto
> Yamaguchi and someone-else-whose-name-escapes-me.  It's not one of my
> favorites because I like folding mostly animals and modulars, but it
> seems to me it would have a number of things attractive to young
> beginners.  I don't recall if the diagramming is exceptionally clear,
> but the models are mostly pretty easy.  Lots of traditional models.
>
It has stuff like hats (always wanted to do that when I was young but
didn't know how), the noisemaker or banger, planes, decorations, birds,
and little "trick" models (a triangular piece that tips slowly by
gravity, another piece that tumbles "dramatically" with a slight push,
etc.).

The book is fairly inexpensive and usually easy to find.  There's a very
nice book by Vicente Palacios called Origami for Beginners, but it's a
little more advanced (maybe a good second book for young beginners).

Sonia Wu





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:00
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

At 11:01 99/08/19 -0400, Chinh Nguyen wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Joseph Wu wrote:
>> side view or a flat front view. No cat design I've seen includes whiskers,
>>BTW.
>
>Kawahata's Bobcat, no?

Yes, you're quite right. Must be a naming problem...I was thinking so hard
about house cats that the bobcat totally slipped my mind.

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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:06
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

Wu, Sonia indited:
> There's a very
> nice book by Vicente Palacios called Origami for Beginners, but it's a
> little more advanced (maybe a good second book for young beginners).

An excellent first book is Origami Plain and Simple by Robert Neale and Thomas
Hull. A second book is kinda tricky, but if you like the "style" of Origami
Plain and Simple, Russian Origami by Sergei Afonkin and Thomas Hull is a good
choice.

-D'gou





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:08
Subject: Re: Templates

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> >david whitbeck wrote:
> >
> >> this is so natural that many people must use templates
> >> for some reason or another . . . .
>
>     I had never used a template, but this posting gave me food for
> thought...
>
>     I've folded Tom Hull's Five Intersecting Tetrahedra several times
> recently, trying for smaller and smaller units, but accuracy starts to
> become an issue quickly. There is an indexing fold for the 60 degree end
> fold, but at small scale the width of the crease itself becomes a fudge
> factor

When folding large sheets of metal, I had to mark all crease lines in the
steel with a coal chisel, all as valley folds, so half of them occured on
one side, half on the other, then by application of heat and tons of sledge
hammer work, I had to slowly convince the thing to collapse into place. I
was also never a fan of templates until in this instance I had to use
one--now I don't mind the idea at all, but only use them on things that
really require them, such as the incident you've noted above.

>     I get a peculiar feeling that I've violated the spirit of the art by
> mechanizing the process, but it's hard to argue with the results.

The art has no spirit except what its practitioners breath into it. What you
have done is not mechanizing the process, but rather resorted to a tool of
the art to help resolve a nasty situation. Every art, craft, etc... has some
common tools, eschewing their use in favor of a sense of 'purism' is only
limiting your art, as those techniques have been widely excepted for years.
See the archives (I've always wanted to say that) as there have been many
discussions about Origami as art v. craft. In fact, it was one of those that
brought me in from lurking a while back, and everyone's regretting it now...
:-)

> Scott scram@landmarknet.net
> Littleton, NH USA
> "I don't have a quote to put here"

Who said that, hmmmmmmm....

All the best - c!!!
To quote Scott Cramer; "I don't have a quote to put here"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:16
Subject: Re: Origami Newbie

----- Original Message -----
From: David Rodrigues <geronte@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

> Hy, I'm new on this origami thing. I've started because I have a few kids
to
> take care of and I thought that origami could be a great thing to do for
> them. I've been searching on internet for origami diagrams easy for the
> children but, as I tried to make them myself, I discovered the diagrams
are
> a little bit difficult to read. Can anyone help me on this?

My first book was Kenneway's Complete Origami, I learned to fold from it,
and I am an imbecile. Should work with anyone who has a functioning brain
cell or two to spare. In the case of any book, however, pay attention to the
basic folding instructions in the front. To this day I still love minimumist
folds with fail-safe instructions. Kenneway also puts it all together in an
entertaining way for kids (depending upon their ages, that is...). Good luck
with the search and don't give up!!! There are lots of wonderful people on
the list who'll help anyone with anything.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:54
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

In Paul Jackson's CLASSIC ORIGAMI, there is a model by Toshie Takahama.  I
haven't tried it yet but  it says that it is the most successful version yet
achieved , being well proportioned, full of character, instantly
recogniseable and pleasing to fold.

> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat (preferably
with
> 6-8 whiskers).

Sorry, it doesn't have whiskers!





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:06
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

> Can anyone recommend a book or website with a fold for a cat

Issei Yoshino's Tiger from Super Complex O. looks like an irate housecat,
teeth and all (but no whiskers!)

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA

"I have not yet begun to fold"





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:10
Subject: Re: NO:  Re: Where can I find...

 >       As Dave Barry once said:  "Everybody is entitled to their opinion,
and yours is wrong."

    Mark Twain said something to the effect that a person was entitled to
his opinion, based though it was on ignorance and misinformation.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net
Littleton, NH USA





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:17
Subject: NO:see you later

Bye for awhile.  See you maybe at a craftfair.  I'll be back in Sept.
Aloha, Jan





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:50
Subject: Re: Where can I find...

>>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

>>Yes, you're quite right. Must be a naming problem...I was thinking so hard
>>about house cats that the bobcat totally slipped my mind.

I only saw that model published in North American Animals in Origami.
I wonder whether it *was* intended as a domestic cat and some translator
garbled its name, since its tail is way too long for a bobcat, while
the latter's characteristic whiskers are simply missing.
Isn't it a strange mismatch, coming from such a technical creator like
KAWAHATA (not considering his three recent intermediate books)?

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 16:36
Subject: Newsprint as paper

I got my newsprint when I took a bunch of kids to the local print works for a
careers trip. Basically they have these huge rolls of paper which are
automatically cahnged when they get low. The almost finished spools 50-60ft
or so are then binned. being into paper I begged a few and was assured that
any time I wanted more just go and ask! If it is goning to be binned why not
use it!





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 16:49
Subject: Re: Newsprint as paper

I used to score great stuff through a printer. When they have stuff left over
from a special run they toss it. The only problem is that sometimes they no
longer know what it was. I had some fantastic light grey, thin, virtually
unrippable stuff, and I have no idea what it was. I still keep a hopeful scrap
in my wallet...just in case. But no one has ever been able to identify it. In
general, printer's cast off bins are a great source for cool, thicker papers.

Leigh Halford wrote:
>
> I got my newsprint when I took a bunch of kids to the local print works for a
> careers trip. Basically they have these huge rolls of paper which are
> automatically cahnged when they get low. The almost finished spools 50-60ft
> or so are then binned. being into paper I begged a few and was assured that
> any time I wanted more just go and ask! If it is goning to be binned why not
> use it!





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 16:51
Subject: (NO) Folding California

I am very pleased to learn that my origami television show, Folding
California, is being shared amongst paperfolders.

I would like to remind anybody who receives a loaner copy of Folding
Calfiornia to please refrain from duplicating it.

My licensing agreements with the music publishers and record companies
strictly prohibits this.

Thank you.
Dorothy Engleman





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:15
Subject: Re: Sheep Anywhere? A ram?

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, david whitbeck wrote:

> There is a bighorn in North American Animals that's a simple fold but I've
> never been satisfied with the horns, and he looks kind of boxy.  I like the
> Chinese Zodiac Ram better.

If you can get Oru Quarterly #1, I think it has a plump ram in it, from a
2x1 rectangle.





From: "Kennedy, Mark" <KennedyM@DNB.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:58
Subject: Cats & Sheep

My favorite origami cat is a Kitamura variation that appeared in a BOS
magazine a couple of years ago. David Brill has a wonderful 3-D cat that has
appeared in various Convention books - Italian and BOS - I believe. Also
Fred Rohm's Halloween Cat from a "cut" bird base has good definition.

Some of the Italian Christmas books have sheep in them to complete the
manger scene.

>From what I have heard both are tasty when cooked right.

Mark





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:58
Subject: Re: Group order for Gilgado Gomez's book?

Phil and Amy wrote:

> Awhile back, this list was abuzz about Fernando Gilgado Gomez's new book.
> Someone had offered to organize a group order for the USA if there was
> enough interest.  Has anything come of this, lately?
>
> I'm hesitant about ordering by myself since my Spanish is hideous.  I might
> start a feud, or something. . .

That would have been me. Given the hurdles involved in this, and my available
time, I can not put this order together. My understanding is that Kim's Crane
will be/has worked out something, so that might be an alternative avenue to
starting your own international incident.

It took me a long time to decide if I could put this together or not. Sorry
for the delay.

-Doug
