




From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Fuse Boxes

Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK> writes:

> I've heard many people talking about Tomoko Fuse's box books and as
> I am new to them, I was wondering which one I should start off with.

I don't think it matters much.  "Origami Boxes" has a collection of
modular boxes with fairly flat lids; "Fabulous Origami Boxes" has some
lids with flowers and cranes and things on.  (Both these are in
English, although the diagrams alone are quite clear.)

There's a Japanese book with boxes from a single sheet.

I think all of these (and others, with similar contents) are available
from Bookends, in Exhibition Road, London.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: T-Rex Model

Dave Stephenson wrote:

> >(Snip) Oh and can anyone recommend a good T-Rex model?

david whitbeck replied:
>
> How about Kawahata's?  I'm to afraid to fold that yet since it even has
> teeth!  That's one sick fold.   There also is Jerry Harris' T-Rex on the
> net.  I have downloaded it yet, but haven't folded it yet, I want to write
> my C++ program first.

Is that a serious request for a recommendation, or an attempt to get off
a somewhat sensitive (snip snip) subject? :-P

I believe the diagrams for an early version of my T-Rex is in the 1999
OUSA Annual Collection, but I have not received my copy yet, and can't
me sure. Here again, not too certain how the word 'good' should be
interpreted. Mine must still be a baby - no teeth.





From: "Jose J. Ramos" <josesuzi@DBCONNECT.NET>
Date: 14 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Final update on JOAS Membership

This sounds like a publication I would like to have. Please let me know
about the cost and method of payment when you can.

Jose
-----Original Message-----
From: Foldmaster@AOL.COM <Foldmaster@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 6:02 PM
Subject: Final update on JOAS Membership

>Dear all,
>
>Here is the final list of those people who have sent me checks to subscribe
>to the bi-monthly JOAS (Japan Origami Academic Society) publication:
>
>Garrett Alley
>Alex Barber
>Penny Chua
>Janet Tanaka Fodor
>Larry Hart
>Ann Kleimola
>Marcy A. Kulic
>John S. Lapko
>J. Robert A. Lemieux
>Carol Martinson
>Yaacov Metzger
>Mette Pederson
>Marty Perrigo
>Jonathan J. Picker
>Howard Portugal
>Jane Rosemarin
>Kimberly Shuck
>Martha Winslow-Cole
>
>And the following have indicated their desire to become members but I
haven't
>received their checks as of today:
>
>Vicky Mihara Avery
>Marisa Filion
>Kenneth M. Kawamura
>Ronald Levy, MD
>Dennis W. Manasco
>Barbara Ortiz
>
>I will honor the commitment to join JOAS from the six people mentioned
above
>and will pay for their subscriptions in advance.  I am sure their checks
will
>be in the mail when I return from Japan.  :)
>
>Please note that I will now be signing off from this list temporarily for
the
>next two weeks or so until I return.  If anyone would like to contact me,
>please send me a private e-mail to :   foldmaster@aol.com
>
>Thank you!
>
>
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>June Sakamoto





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: T-Rex Model

Yes -- Koh's T-Rex is in the 1999 OUSA annual. Kawahata's isn't too bad of
you use tweezers or toothpicks to help with the teeth. I wouldn't recommened
anything less than 10" for your 1st attempt though. (I've done it with 6".
Talk about tedious!)
~Alec

>From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: T-Rex Model
>Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:00:43 +0800
>
>Dave Stephenson wrote:
>
> > >(Snip) Oh and can anyone recommend a good T-Rex model?
>
>
>david whitbeck replied:
> >
> > How about Kawahata's?  I'm to afraid to fold that yet since it even has
> > teeth!  That's one sick fold.   There also is Jerry Harris' T-Rex on the
> > net.  I have downloaded it yet, but haven't folded it yet, I want to
>write
> > my C++ program first.
>
>
>Is that a serious request for a recommendation, or an attempt to get off
>a somewhat sensitive (snip snip) subject? :-P
>
>I believe the diagrams for an early version of my T-Rex is in the 1999
>OUSA Annual Collection, but I have not received my copy yet, and can't
>me sure. Here again, not too certain how the word 'good' should be
>interpreted. Mine must still be a baby - no teeth.
>

_______________________________________________________________
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From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: food diagrams

In a message dated 8-13-99 5:09:30 AM, you wrote:

<<Does anyone know sources of FOOD models?>>

Try Origami for the Connoisseur by Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama  for
a greem pepper, eggplant and radish on p. 132-133, boiled egg on p. 134,
RUSSIAN ORIGAMI by Sergei Afonkin and Tom Hull for a mushroom p. 26, MAGIC OF
ORIGAMI by Alice Gray & Kunihiko Kasahara for an orange p. 75,  MADE WITH
PAPER by Florence Temko for an orange on p. 80, COMPLETE ORIGAMI COURSE by
Paul Jackson on p. 84 for a strawberry.  Of course there are always lots of
leaf and flower diagrams.  Good luck,  Barbara O





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Fuse Boxes

>    Hi everyone!   I've heard many people talking about Tomoko Fuse's  box
>books and as I am new to them, I was wondering which one I should start
>off  with.   I've seen and heard that she has published many  books about
>boxes all with different but similar titles.   Can you please advise me to
>which one I should  start off with being a beginner to her boxes?
>Thanks,   Susan Johnston

Origami Boxes is what I started off with, it's a small book but the folds
are simple and elegant.  Of course you could skip to Joyful Origami Boxes
because there are many similar units from the original book and more boxes,
such as heptagon boxes which you won't find in the other book.  She also
gives tips in just attaching the units to create a myriad of different kind
of boxes.

David





From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Fuse Boxes

Hi everyone!

I've heard many people talking about Tomoko Fuse's box books and as I am new to
     them, I was wondering which one I should start off with.

I've seen and heard that she has published many books about boxes all with
     different but similar titles.

Can you please advise me to which one I should start off with being a beginner
     to her boxes?

Thanks,

Susan Johnston





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: NO: including other cultures International Christmas

----- Original Message -----
From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>

> Hi,
>
>
>
> i only got an idea and i wanted to offer this idea to the list.
>
> Please keep crusades far away form me. Im not a person that wants to
>
> make every thing 100%. i will not feel bad, when you say that my ideas
>
> are incredible.
>
>
>
> So, i will stop this discussion from my side.

That is too bad, I think it might be good to discuss what is and what is not
apropos in re of this list. I was merely noticing how a post for folds
relative to a specific request got quickly co-opted into answers that
attempted to alter that request, something that I've not seen happen in
postings that requested non-cultural-specific information. Your post was
merely a touchstone that illustrated that pattern fairly clearly. What I
should have done, perhaps, is ask why the group seemed reticent to respond
upon the subject as noted, and seemed to suggest topics that were
specifically not a part of the request. I was musing upon the fact that in
the quest for an undue level of political correctness, we tend to simply try
to include all cultures as if they were one big happy family, which belies
their natures. I'm sure if a native American were to ask for a fold pattern
of a Lakota sun-dancer and got back a Buddhist monk, all lotussed-out in
silent meditation, they might feel a bit slighted by the facile explanation
that they are the same in that they are both figures seeking clarity. We
either want or don't want seperate cultural idioms. I would  hate to see the
beauty of the many diverse religious ceremonies pureed into some false
amalgam of amorphous spirituality. And I hate organized religion.
Admittedly, we could all use a dose of greater understanding of others'
cultures--I would hope that discussions toward that end might flourish on
this list which seems willing to take on some interesting topics. I would
merely note my own (inconsequential, admittedly) hope that said discussions
would take place in a thread that is seperate from such a request as the one
that we are both (and many others as well) responding to. I had hoped that
your last post upon the subject might be a good jumping off point for such a
thread, and in that way the discussion might continue.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sv:      actual origami--> Kawahata's pegasus and templates

----- Original Message -----
From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
.
When I fold away from my table I use the Fujimoto method for
thirds and fifths.

Thoki Yenn
www.thok.dk

I have been beating my head against a wall working on a method for
fifths--where can I access the Fujimoto method?

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: David Whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Sv:      actual origami--> Kawahata's pegasus and templates

On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Christopher Holt wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
> .
> When I fold away from my table I use the Fujimoto method for
> thirds and fifths.
>
> Thoki Yenn
> www.thok.dk
>
> I have been beating my head against a wall working on a method for
> fifths--where can I access the Fujimoto method?
>
> All the best - c!!!
> everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
> "the reality of illusion"
> ella-mae@msn.com
>
Which one is the Fujimoto method, I forget names.  My favorite is the one
used in Brill's Lidded Box in Origami for the Connesseur, which is far
better than pinching until you get it right as is done in the same model
in Brilliant Origami.  For those of you not familar with the method in the
Lidded Box you fold in half both ways then you make a fold that runs from
bottom left corner to the midpoint on the right side.  Your bottom left
corner now is in a position that is 2/5 from the right side, viola!  So I
used this method on a templete to get 1/5 and used it twice to make 25
little squares, though I noticed I only needed one side because the
boundary 1/5's perpendicular to each other intersect along the main
diagonal.  If they don't you're in trouble.  Yeah for origami!

David "taking a programming break in the labs" Whitbeck





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: NO: including other cultures International Christmas

Hi,

i only got an idea and i wanted to offer this idea to the list.

Please keep crusades far away form me. Im not a person that wants to

make every thing 100%. i will not feel bad, when you say that my ideas

are incredible.

So, i will stop this discussion from my side.

But i've one question

can annyone recommend a good fold instruction for a play station ;-)

Bye

Torsten





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: T-Rex Model

Ronald Koh wrote:

> I believe the diagrams for an early version of my T-Rex is in the 1999
> OUSA Annual Collection, but I have not received my copy yet, and can't
> me sure.

I have and it is.

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: The secrets of uneven division

----- Original Message -----
From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>

>There you will find first the 8 Pointed Star
>from the Lindis Farne Gospel
>with the secrets of uneven division
>as used by the calligrapher monks
>in the fist millenium's  bygone centuries..

Ah!!! How could I have been so foolish...I used to do calligraphy and
reproduced pages from the books of Kells and Lindesfarne. It never occured
to me to go back and use some of their geometrics to solve my own origami
problem. It's been a long time...Eternal thanks to the great and glorious...

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami non-sighting

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>

> To any Bay area folders:
>
> We visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco this weekend. There was a
> special exhibit on Frogs, which included a display of frogs in art. But no
> origami frog models.
>
> As I will be returning to New Jersey tomorrow, this might be a job for bay
> area origamists to deal with.
>
> Larry

Thanks, Larry. We'll get right on it  :-)
(no, seriously--I'm going to e-mail them)

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami non-sighting

I will take care of it, Chris. Worked there and am still attached. Very
embarrassing. Ironically, the exhibitions coordinator has some of my froggies on
her very desk. It's in hand, take care.
Kim

Christopher Holt wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
>
> > To any Bay area folders:
> >
> > We visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco this weekend. There was a
> > special exhibit on Frogs, which included a display of frogs in art. But no
> > origami frog models.
> >
> > As I will be returning to New Jersey tomorrow, this might be a job for bay
> > area origamists to deal with.
> >
> > Larry
>
> Thanks, Larry. We'll get right on it  :-)
> (no, seriously--I'm going to e-mail them)
>
> All the best - c!!!
> everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
> "the reality of illusion"
> ella-mae@msn.com





From: Peg Barber <m.m.barber@ATT.NET>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Origami Sighting

The latest issue (#385) of that noted journal of
intellectual commentary, _Mad_Magazine_, has a small
item on origami!  In the Letters and Tomatos Department,
there are two origami models (one black and one white)
of "spy vs the spy".  They were mailed in to the
magazine by Sara Hanley of Los Angeles.  The magazine
makes the usual observations about the similarity
between origami and a tasty italian luncheon meat...

Peg Barber
m.m.barber@att.net
> In a message dated 8-13-99 5:09:30 AM, you wrote:
>
> <<Does anyone know sources of FOOD models?>>
>
> Try Origami for the Connoisseur by Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama  for
> a greem pepper, eggplant and radish on p. 132-133, boiled egg on p. 134,
> RUSSIAN ORIGAMI by Sergei Afonkin and Tom Hull for a mushroom p. 26, MAGIC OF
> ORIGAMI by Alice Gray & Kunihiko Kasahara for an orange p. 75,  MADE WITH
> PAPER by Florence Temko for an orange on p. 80, COMPLETE ORIGAMI COURSE by
> Paul Jackson on p. 84 for a strawberry.  Of course there are always lots of
> leaf and flower diagrams.  Good luck,  Barbara O





From: Dribalz@AOL.COM
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: A forward from Kenny Kawamura

The following is a froward Kenny asked me to send to the list...

I am not using my AOL account
    kenny1414@aol.com
 for the duration, and

my nerwer, backup, email address is
    madhawn@netzero.net
    (Kenneth Kawamura).

Kenny asks that you resend any mail you may have sent to Kenny1414@aol.com to
this newer  email address.

Andrew Hans





From: Vicky Avery <vavery@WENET.NET>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami non-sighting (frogs)

Hi Larry -

As it turns out.. Charles Knuffke and I were special guests at the
Exploratorium's  opening night party for it's members, and taught the classic
jumping frog to all on hand.

I did offer to put together an exhibit - but it was too late.  Typically for
this type of exhibition, the layout (& funding) has been planned well in
advance and they would really be able to "add" any exhibits - however
intriguing.  But, it's opened up the door for us to do additional origami for
them in the future.

A bit of trivia, a few years agp the Exploratorium hosted John M. Collins' (A
Gliding Flight) record-setting effort for paper airplane "time aloft" - John
walked around with his whisper-thin "wing" and kept it aloft by holding a
piece of cardboard under it.  The lift of air off the cardboard kept it
aloft, and he walked around and steered it for over 30 minutes (I don't have
the exact record time).

Vicky Mihara Avery

 Pacific Coast Origami Conference - PCOC 2000
 March 18 & 19, San Francisco

Larry Finch wrote:

> To any Bay area folders:
>
> We visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco this weekend. There was a
> special exhibit on Frogs, which included a display of frogs in art. But no
> origami frog models.
>
> As I will be returning to New Jersey tomorrow, this might be a job for bay
> area origamists to deal with.
>
> Larry





From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Origami non-sighting

To any Bay area folders:

We visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco this weekend. There was a
special exhibit on Frogs, which included a display of frogs in art. But no
origami frog models.

As I will be returning to New Jersey tomorrow, this might be a job for bay
area origamists to deal with.

Larry





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Sv:      actual origami--> Kawahata's pegasus and templates

David asked:
> So my question is: do
>you (anyone on the list) use templates, and for what reason did you use
>them?

I have a cm/millimetres measure glued
on to the table where I do most of my folding
and I use it for convenience, exactness and speed.
.
When I fold away from my table I use the Fujimoto method for
thirds and fifths.

Thoki Yenn
www.thok.dk





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 15 Aug 1999
Subject: Folding Miniature Models

People,

           After several failures, I have managed to fold Kawasiki's rose
from 1 1/2" standard origami paper (the crinkled paper I was using for
models down to 2 1/2" I found too thick at 2" already) and was wondering if
anyone in this group shares my facination with folding miniatures. I am
interested in learning any techniques you might have developed. Personally,
I use my hands for most all folds, aided by a toothpick, though in some rare
cases I resort to tweezers (as I did to make the soft folds in the tips of
the rose). This drives people nuts - I'm 6'1", heavy, with big hands.

Oh, I have been using a spray acrylic to harden these models; it works well,
doesn't cause the paper to swel or lose shape, and leaves very little to no
sheen, depending upon the paper.

Other recent miniatures:

 Kawasaki's rose -  2 1/2", very realistic looking, with pink crinkled paper
; 2",  standard origami paper
 Montroll's Tyrannasorous and Brontasorous - 2", foil backed paper
 His Pelican -2 1/2" (the 2" one is still pretty poor, but I'll crack it),
foil backed paper
 Yoshizawa's frog (with my own small addition of a mouth) - 1",  standard
origami paper
 Traditional crane - 1/2",  standard origami paper

Shalom LeVine
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is
hippopotomonstrosesquepedalian, to say the least!"





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: pegasus, help

This is a funny thing, I don't have trouble with any of the folds because
they're not difficult, but there are so many that by the time I get to the
last stages of folding the model the paper (typewriter paper=my default)
the paper is for lack of a better word tired.  Small tears start to form
and the paper starts to become unmanagable and creases start turning into
wrinkles (especially the head and mane).  I don't know if anyone else has
had this problem, but if they have had and resolved it, and it doesn't have
to be with the pegasus model it can be with any model please reply.  As
those of you that have Origami Fantasy know the model has 137 steps, and
the total number of steps is 164.  Since I know many of you have folded
complex models I assume that some of you can get bad results from time to
time and have found ways around it.

David





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: The secrets of uneven division

Kalmon is sneaking in here:

Christopher Holt wrote:
>I have been beating my head against a wall working on a method for
>fifths--where can I access the Fujimoto method?

Dear Christopher
you asked for it, now you get it

SHHHH - I have made a very secret page only for you
www.thok.dk/division.html
There you will find first the 8 Pointed Star
from the Lindis Farne Gospel
with the secrets of uneven division
as used by the calligrapher monks
in the fist millenium's  bygone centuries..

Then I have elaborated on this star
with some of the secrets of St. Pli.
which shows the further use of the 8 pointed star.

And finally I have put the Fujimoto 5 parts division
on the same page.

The Fujimoto method can also be found on the non.secret
www.thok.dk/geometry.html

Greetings from

The Great and Glorious
Kalmon of the North.





From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami non-sighting

No, FROGS!! ut-oh. I'm right on it! Frogs are my subject lately. I am
dismayed! Thank you for reporting this neglect. How could there not be
origami frogs in a frog art display?! Kelly

In a message dated 8/16/99 12:37:30 AM, LarryFinch@aol.com writes:

<< To any Bay area folders:

We visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco this weekend. There was a
special exhibit on Frogs, which included a display of frogs in art. But no
origami frog models.

As I will be returning to New Jersey tomorrow, this might be a job for bay
area origamists to deal with.

Larry >>





From: Papa Joe <papajoe@CHORUS.NET>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Divide paper

Another page to show how to section paper

http://www.origami.gr.jp/People/CAGE_/divide/index-e.html

Papajoe@chorus.net





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: pegasus, help

Whenever a model falls into this category the best method (for me) is to glue
some crepe paper to some tin foil. I personally hate having to do this
because every little misfold seems increase by a factor of 10.

Another alternative is wet folding which under my fingers seems to produce a
very fine paper mache blob which looks not entirely unlike a horse impaled on
a novelty toast rack.

Or you could fold the one from Montoll's 'Mythological creatures and the
chinese zodiac' , You could fold this out of cardboard and it would still
work pretty well :) )

************************************
* Eruditus has left the building *
************************************
<< s is a funny thing, I don't have trouble with any of the folds because
 they're not difficult, but there are so many that by the time I get to the
 last stages of folding the model the paper (typewriter paper=my default)
 the paper is for lack of a better word tired.  Small tears start to form
 and the paper starts to become unmanagable and creases start turning into
 wrinkles (especially the head and mane).  I don't know if anyone else has
 had this problem, but if they have had and resolved it, and it doesn't have
 to be with the pegasus model it can be with any model please reply.  As
 those of you that have Origami Fantasy know the model has 137 steps, and
 the total number of steps is 164.  Since I know many of you have folded
 complex models I assume that some of you can get bad results from time to
 time and have found ways around it.

 David >>





From: Dave Stephenson <EruditusD@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: ST ND RD TH...

Now we can divide into 3 and 5 how about 7 (or 13 ) ?, any more calligrapher
monk tricks : )

***************************************
* Eruditus Has Left The Building *





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Jackstone

Chamberlain, Clare <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU> sez

>man who folded the "Jack" from Harbin's book 2 (a 3D model with six cones
>sicking out, if that makes sense).

He meant the "Jackstone", (a stellated cube in Harbin's "Origami 2") - a
remarkable tour-de-force from the late Jack Skillman. When I joined the
BOS, there was an unwritten tenet that until you'd made this design, you
couldn't really call yourself a proper paper-folder. Nonsense, I know,
but I was soooo satisfied when I finally made it. The main problem I
found was the "collapse" diagram has a few subtle errors.

If you haven't seen it, try to find a copy of the diagrams!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models

How do you manage to keep the folds neat? I like folding small things but I
find it very hard to keep them exact (I haven't tried tweezers or toothpicks
yet).
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)

> ----------
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> Reply To:     Origami List
> Sent:         16 August 1999 03:48
> To:   ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Folding Miniature Models
>
> People,
>
>            After several failures, I have managed to fold Kawasiki's rose
> from 1 1/2" standard origami paper (the crinkled paper I was using for
> models down to 2 1/2" I found too thick at 2" already) and was wondering
> if
> anyone in this group shares my facination with folding miniatures. I am
> interested in learning any techniques you might have developed.
> Personally,
> I use my hands for most all folds, aided by a toothpick, though in some
> rare
> cases I resort to tweezers (as I did to make the soft folds in the tips of
> the rose). This drives people nuts - I'm 6'1", heavy, with big hands.
>
> Oh, I have been using a spray acrylic to harden these models; it works
> well,
> doesn't cause the paper to swel or lose shape, and leaves very little to
> no
> sheen, depending upon the paper.
>
> Other recent miniatures:
>
>  Kawasaki's rose -  2 1/2", very realistic looking, with pink crinkled
> paper
> ; 2",  standard origami paper
>  Montroll's Tyrannasorous and Brontasorous - 2", foil backed paper
>  His Pelican -2 1/2" (the 2" one is still pretty poor, but I'll crack it),
> foil backed paper
>  Yoshizawa's frog (with my own small addition of a mouth) - 1",  standard
> origami paper
>  Traditional crane - 1/2",  standard origami paper
>
>
> Shalom LeVine
> "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is
> hippopotomonstrosesquepedalian, to say the least!"





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] math?

<snip>
>there is little hope of the public even appreciating the
> magnitude of a theorem that you spent five years on
> proving.  You can only hope that the people who work
> in your field will read it appreciate the result
<snip>

Does it really matter if anyone appreciates what you do? As long as you
enjoyed doing it it doesn't matter.

I am a computer games programmer and virtually everyone I know expects games
to be written within a few weeks. When I tell them I have a year to do my
next one they can't seem to grasp that 'just a game' would take such a long
time to produce (and that I will be rushed off my feet trying to get it
finished within that time!).
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

>From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.S
>
>1)      What do you look or hope for in an origami book which makes you
want
>to buy it?

I like to see a nice variety--some stylistic folds as well as some very
accurate work. Author's commentary on the work, as well as hints that go
with the folding diagrams. I hate diagrams that show a tiny fold with an
arrow pointing to it in, say, step 93, then show virtually the same thing in
step 94, with no instruction on just what the heck is going on. Clear
instructions, good photographs. Bad photographs are worse than none, I'll
put a book down for bad photography, and the only way I'll pick it up again
is if I personally see successfully folded projects from the book. Finally;
diagrams that don't give too many unrelated steps in one folding
instruction. It's annoying to get one illustration that shows head
formation, body shaping, foot arrangement, and who knows what in the same
step. It often makes one go back and look for what process was missed at any
given step, and sometimes requires unfolding and refolding.
>
>2)      What do you not like to see/find in an origami book which could
>dissuade you from buying it, or from buying the next book by the same
>author (i.e. after having bought the first book)?

Unaesthetic models, otherwise I'll give anyone a second chance after a
cursory scan of their work.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Fold for a nice CD envelope?

At 02:39 AM 8/14/99 GMT, you wrote:
>Has anyone come up with a nice fold for making a CD envelope?  I know I can
>just cut one out in a single piece and glue it, but something artistic I
>can whip up out of a piece of 8.5 x 11 paper without having to cut it would
>be nice.
>----------------------------------------------------------------<*>---
>kettir at           /\ /\   | "History shows again and again
>geocities dot com  = o_o =  |  How Nature points up the folly of men."
>-------------------   ^  ---------------------------------------------
>
>In Didier Boursin's book Pliages Utiles is a two piece CD packaging. But
as I remember, the paper used was larger than 8.5 x 11.
An de Vries





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Math?

>
> Thanks to all that replied, and sorry for tripping.  I just started
> freaking out  when I realized that my view of the world was wrong, and it's
> so much larger and complex than I thought it was.  I like that I can feel
> free to bounce things off you guys because you have good solid views of the
> world and are honest and kind.  This makes this list sometimes more than
> just about origami to me.  Happy folding :)
>
> David
>
There are many famous passages from the Jewish "Pirkei Avos." I think in
English it is translated as Ethics of our Fathers. The one that fits in here
is at the end of the first chapter and would be translated somewhat along
these lines: The day is short, and the work is much (great)....It is not
your responsibility to complete ALL the work, but it is also not your right
to give up :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: remembering folds

I was ran a six hour workshop yesterday for the WA Guild of Calligraphers.
It was great fun, and they were really pleased that I had researched
envelopes and cards , thus designing a workshop to fit their needs (although
I threw in a number of silly toys to make things more fun).

However, what really amazed me, who can remember very few models, was one
man who folded the "Jack" from Harbin's book 2 (a 3D model with six cones
sicking out, if that makes sense).  He claimed to have been taught the model
about 20 years ago at school.  Another woman produced a spider (from a cut
traditional frog base) she learned from a readers digest magazine, also
about 20 years ago!

As to Christmas greeting and the debate it has caused, I still remember
trying to explain to a group of folders in Japan why it was inappropriate to
fold crosses as Christmas tree ornaments - after all they are both Christian
symbols!  As to Christmas greetings, MELI KURISUMASU comes to mind, as does,
"GEEZ, IT'S BLOODY HOT, BUT HAVE A BEUT CHRISTMAS ANYWAY".  It is up to you,
dear reader, to ascertain where these might come from!!!

Clare, who dares to fold for FUN  ;-)





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: octagon box

On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, david whitbeck wrote:

> I'm still waiting for Spirals to see some
> Spiral lid boxes.  That will be exciting!

I really like the "tall" spiral box included in this book, an excellent
gift box for jewelry. The lid is shorter in height than the base, another
nice effect which I like.

I once made this box from a "florentine" patterned paper - the paper was
quite thick and slightly difficult to work with, but the resulting twist
was very stiff, holding together perfectly without glue. Very well
received

regards
Michael





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: T-Rex Model

There is also the T rex by Issei YOshino, complete with baby T Rex. No
teeth, but this model has a great "running attack" look about it that
reminds me of a scene from Jurassic Park.

Just to give an idea of teeth size of the Kawahata model, I used a 12.5
inch tissue foil sheet, and my teeth were about 2mm long.

regards

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@AHAND.UNICAMP.BR>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

[Back after long silence]

>>From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
>>
>>I believe all budding authors of origami books would be interested to
>>know your views on the following:

Er, Ronald, does it mean you're *finally* going to collect your work in
a book?

[I believe personal preferences about models themselves would be too
specific in this survey. I for once prefer e.g., animals over e.g., modulars;
I like complex models, but not complexity for its own sake: a "simple"
and elegant model can be more challenging, gratifying and ultimately
realistic than an ultra-complex version. However, such preferences
are independent of a book's overall quality so I think they're unimportant
here (and frankly I think mentioning them could be cause for another holy war)]

>>1)      What do you look or hope for in an origami book which makes you want
>>to buy it?

clear photographs of finished models --- specially for complex,
3D models, it helps suggesting the final shaping. Proper lighting and
angle are much more important than color. Also, suggestions for variations

a clear table of contents with model name and author, preferably
small pictures too. A difficulty rating (like the star rating common
in Montroll books) would be nice. Models sorted mainly in difficulty order

for each model, a recomendation for paper size/type. Clear mention of
required number and shape of sheets. A ratio paper side/finished
model's size

diagrams clearly showing the two sides of paper, *even in models which
should use monocolor paper*. Color is not important, a proper grayshade
is enough.

unusual models and themes

in a "topical" book (dinos/boxes/flowers/insects...) a good, interesting
introduction (about the theme, not origami). It helps getting novice
folders interested and sets a proper mood.

consistency. Not necessarily in difficulty, but in quality, diagram level of
detail, symbology.

a "good" short blurb. Many online shops and book catalogues only mention
title/author/blurb, turning a wise choice into an educated guess. I know,
most authors may not decide the blurb...

>>2)      What do you not like to see/find in an origami book which could
>>dissuade you from buying it, or from buying the next book by the same
>>author (i.e. after having bought the first book)?

sloppy diagramming (O. Monsters, HtMOAtF), poor photography (O.Monsters),
plagiarism (anything by Ayture-Scheele [sp?]), models lacking elegance
(Creating O., Wild O.), sloppy text (Creating O., Prehistoric O. 1st ed.),
excess form over content (anything by A-S, Fantastic Folds, Wild O.),
overreliance on paper decoration (Fantastic Folds, Xuxa where R U?).

        Sincerely,
                Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

At 12:11 AM 99-08-17 +0800, you wrote:
>I believe all budding authors of origami books would be interested to
>know your views on the following:
>
>1)      What do you look or hope for in an origami book which makes you want
>to buy it?

I look for clear diagrams that show two colours, some text to explain more
complicated stuff, not too many steps on the same page, standard notations
for folds.  I prefer diagrams to lines drawn on photographs, although
photos of finished work is nice.  My favourite books are by John
Montroll--I have never yet failed to fold one of his creations.  The first
that I bought was Prehistoric Life.  I was a beginner at the time, but I
folded all the models in order and was able to do the stegasaurus.  I judge
all books according to that standard now.

I also like a variety of designs. Animals are easy to find, but I'd like to
see more flowers and ordinary objects.  It's also fun to have diagrams
organized around a theme.  There was a book, for instance, of models
related to King Arthur.  I didn't like the designs, personally, (I prefer
single sheet models)  but the concept was fun.

>
>2)      What do you not like to see/find in an origami book which could
>dissuade you from buying it, or from buying the next book by the same
>author (i.e. after having bought the first book)?

Diagrams that have several folds in one step without telling me what order
they should be done in.  I don't mean obvious things like reverse folds on
the tail and the beak, but a bunch of folds especially early in a sequence
when it is hard to tell where the model is going.  There's a lot of this in
Origami Zoo, I've had to scribble in a lot of little notes to myself.

 Even worse is when the directions tell you to do a bunch of things and
then turn the model over, or turn it in half so the next diagram in the
sequence does not show the results of the folding in that particular step.

I cannot fold from a crease pattern, and I get discouraged by diagrams that
have lots and lots of creases in one picture.  My eyes are not that good at
distinguishing valley creases from mountain creases.

Are you planning a book?

                                                        Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Gabriel Malmierca <gmalmier@ADINET.COM.UY>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: maekawa's devil

Hi,

is there any way to buy this specific issue of the newsletter, without
being affiliated to Tanteidan Organization?

Thanks,
Regards,
Gabriel.

At 11:22 AM 13-08-99 EDT, you wrote:
>New diagrams (1999) complete with ears and tail details were just
published
>in Origami Tanteidan's latest newsletter. These diagrams are excellent
and
>offer a totally different sequence than that presented in Viva or the
ORU
>magazine.
>~Alec





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models (NO)

IMHO that needs not only a basic course in latin, but also extra courses in
     greek, aristophanian, and rabelaisian... just to make sure! ;-)

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Sv:      actual origami

Dear Julia

I hope the following will clear up your question:

>Thoki,
>Is the Fujimoto method for folding thirds and fifths
>the one on your homepage under 'uneven division', or is it another one?

The Fujimoto Method for folding in thirds
is not actually shown anywhere on my homepage.

The folding in fifths is shown both
under "uneven division"  www.thok.dk/5parts.html
which was made as a specific answer to a request from Nick Marques.
and in the Geometry Cloud. www.thok.dk/geometry.html

the ref.. to the thirds is probably stemming  from an answer to
David Whitbeck who wrote

> So my question is: do
>you (anyone on the list) use templates, and for what reason did you use
>them?

where part of the answer to the question was:
.
>When I fold away from my table I use the Fujimoto method for
>thirds and fifths.

I repeat: I have not shown the Fujimoto method
of folding thirds anywhere on my homepage

But I can do it in a few days if it is deamed necessary.
It is easely deducted from the method of fifths
by folding over one edge estimating that the visible part
of the original front is equal to the turned over part,
and so on back and forth from there.

I will make a diagram in a few days
a verbal explanation can be confusing.

Thoki Yenn





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 09 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Prehistoric Origami & Two questions

On 09-Aug-99, david whitbeck (dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU) wrote:

>Four hours wow!  What kind of paper are you using?  I bet I would
>take just as long folding it from xerox paper, but I would rather not
>chance soreness and try with the kami.  Was alot of time in those
>four plate sinks?  When I was going through my reckless stage I
>folded it in about 1 1/2 hours.  Now I know that it's better to take
>your time and fold carefully, perfectly.

You can save quite a lot of time an trouble if you are willing to pre-
crease a lot.  I do this for steps 1-20 (repeating 16-20 three times),
27-33, and 37-39.  The result is also more accurate.

Maybe I'll fold one from leatherette and take it with me to the SOM2.
(Hi Dino, expect to see a lot of this paper in October!)

--
Jorma pre-Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 09 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Graying paper: Suggestions?

On 08-Aug-99, Carmine Di Chiara (carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM) wrote:

>I was thinking that a piece of gray charcoal might do
>the trick, but since I'm planning to wet-fold it
>afterwards it might not stay.

>Has anyone had any experience in shading paper with
>charcoal, or a spray paint? Any suggestions for me to
>try?

I used charcoal on Montroll's vulture as I couldn't find big enough
piece of black paper.  Well, I didn't find big enough dark blue paper
either, but I taped two 70*100cm sheets together to get a one-meter
square.  I did put three layers of charcoal on it, applying fixative
after each layer.  *Then* I started folding.  Whe In was finished, I was
in charcoal up to my elbows, but magically some of it was still on the
vulture.  Then I went over the chracoal routine again, adding three
more layers with fixative.  Last fixative layer then got two more
layers of fixative, which finally made the model safe to handle.  Mind
you, the model still can smudge things if rubbed against them.  But
the end result is nice, dirty black which is quite exactly what I was
after.  I wouldn't try charcoal with anything wet, tho.

--
Jorma 'I gather vultures' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: 09 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: xerox paper

On 09-Aug-99, Scott Cramer (scram@LANDMARKNET.NET) wrote:

>    I imagine the baking does something to the starches in the paper which
>locks the folds in place. Whatever the mechanism may be, it gives some
>permanence that is lacking otherwise.
>    So far, I've only done this with kami and monocolor paper, but I would
>guess it would work for most anything. Give it a try!

I did bake a Joisel's rat folded from Canson watercolor paper. I wet-
folded it in hurry (for an exhibition held next day) and got it too
wet.  No problemo, I had an oven warm already so I just added some
support to hold the shape and put it into the oven.  It's surprisingly
rigid, and has not yet shown any sign of unfolding.

--
Jorma 'I bake rats' Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Date: 14 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models

At the risk of having a bunch of scrunch-folds thrown at me, I fold
miniatures and to keep them preserved and in shape by gluing down
prefolds with a brush.  I make origami jewelry and this is of course my
way to make it permanent.  'Twouldn't do to have something fluff out
after wearing it for a day or two.  It certainly makes the latter folds
easier and the preciseness of folds possible.

I use the Japnese lacquer, "tsuyadashi" that comes in a nail polish
bottle, It has the brush in the bottle and I use 3 coats to give it a
lovely sheen.  It also waterproofs it.  Kim's Crane carries it.
Aloha, Jan





From: "Levy, Ronald S." <rslevy@UTMB.EDU>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: ST ND RD TH...

Several years back I developed a series of diagrams for all odd divisions
between 1 and 19 which was published in a supplement to the Origami USA
annual collection. If you nudge me real hard I can tell you the exact name
and year of the publication. The methods are very neat with no more than 3
or 4 creases needed to make any division.

Ron Levy
rslevy@utmb.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Stephenson [mailto:EruditusD@AOL.COM]
Sent: August 16, 1999 4:33 AM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: ST ND RD TH...

Now we can divide into 3 and 5 how about 7 (or 13 ) ?, any more calligrapher
monk tricks : )

***************************************
* Eruditus Has Left The Building *





From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models

Please excuse the typo; that should read:

"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is
hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian, to say the least!"

(-:

-----Original Message-----
From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: Folding Miniature Models
>Shalom LeVine
>"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is
>hippopotomonstrosesquepedalian, to say the least!"





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models

----- Original Message -----
From: Shalom LeVine <shalom.levine@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

> Please excuse the typo; that should read:
>
> "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is
> hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian, to say the least!"
>
> (-:
>

Thanks for the correction. I woke up a bit late--perhaps fuzzy from spending
the night in my darkroom, but the best I can get out of that mish-mash is
something about white-lung disease being a one and one half-footed horse
drink demonstration. Think I need a) a basic latin course, and b) a little
help here.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Garrett Alley <garrett@VIADOR.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

I'm probably just stating the obvious...

>I believe all budding authors of origami books would be interested to
>know your views on the following:
>
>1)      What do you look or hope for in an origami book which makes you want
>to buy it?

I look for clear, correct diagrams. I also appreciate hints/etc. and author's
     recommendations for paper size/type. Photos are always nice too...

>2)      What do you not like to see/find in an origami book which could
>dissuade you from buying it, or from buying the next book by the same
>author (i.e. after having bought the first book)?

Incorrect/confusing diagrams are the worst thing for me.

Thanks,

-g-





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Fold for a nice CD envelope?

At 21:58 99/08/13 -0500, you wrote:
>Oh, yes, that'd be a great idea.  Closest I've seen is the diskette holder
>in Stoker's "Fantastic Folds"

I just got a nice octagonal twist CD envelope from Chris Palmer. No, I
haven't figured it out yet...

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: ORCA?

Hey Fellow Folders,

I, for one, am anxious to hear how the ORCA convention went.  For those whom
attended, I (we) would appreciate a synopsis or two.

Sincerely,

Russell Sutherland
AKA: LoneFolder

DARE TO DISCLOSE!!!!!!





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models (NO)

----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models (NO)

> IMHO that needs not only a basic course in latin, but also extra courses
in greek, aristophanian, and rabelaisian... just to make sure! ;-)
>

Would a word in both Greek and Latin be "au gratin"?

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Cynthia Fulbright <cynful@MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Matrix Trilogy

Yes, but nothing more then a few unconfirmed rumors.

You may want to check http://www.matrixmovie.com/

Cyn

david whitbeck wrote:

> Has anybody heard the rumors that the Matrix is just the first part of a
> trilogy?
>
> David





From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models

Tweezers are an essential part of my toolkit for folding small models.  They can
help get into those hard to reach places that your fingers are too big for, and
they can help get straight edges too.  The miniaturists equivalent of the
'folding bone' :)

If you are seriously into making small models you will require a selection of
tweezers
of differing shapes and sizes.  I have a couple of fine tipped ones obtained
from an
entomological suppliers (intended use for setting insects for display), a couple
of
inherited ones, and my favourite, bought from a hardware shop, which is fairly
tough,
long and straight and has a medium sized point.

Tooth picks and unfolded paper clips are of use when you have to poke the
insides of
a model.  A good example is the sink required in the tail fins of the Lionfish
(from
Origami Sea-Life) where it can be quite difficult to separate the layers of
paper.

Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Allan
> findlay
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:55 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Folding Miniature Models
>
>
> How do you manage to keep the folds neat? I like folding small things but I
> find it very hard to keep them exact (I haven't tried tweezers or toothpicks
> yet).
> --------------------------
>         Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)
>
<SNIP>





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

>Similarly, whether in one step or many, any diagrams
> where the creases are shaping the model and that step is combined with a
"turn
> over" so that you can't see the results of your shaping effort... Oi that
> boils my blood!
>
> -D'gou

I've spent hours on just such diagrams thinking about what kind of hideous
pleasures I could derive from senseless violence wrought upon such author's
persons. Only in dreams and day-dreams, of course. I'm not a violent person
by nature--but that truly drives me batty.

All the best - c!!!
everyone accepts "the illusion of reality", but you're crazy if you talk of
"the reality of illusion"
ella-mae@msn.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: FuRUTI Posting: Was: RE: Origami Books: What do you look for

At 15:31 99/08/16 -0400, you wrote:
>My name es Maria.  I am cousin of Fernando Gilgado Gomez.  I do not think
>what you say is true or nice about monsters book.  Fernando work very hard
>and many horas to make.  He publish.  We are so proud of Fernando for this. I
>think you hurt him with you words.  You bad man. I like very much the book.
>May the funny letters at the end of you name cause much trouble.  Please do
>not buy more of Fernandos books... you do not deserve.
>
>I fold paper.  I like the books you say no are good.  Stoker/Williamson book
>Fantastic Fold es nice.  Also, Nolan book Creating Origami has much
>interesting words and models.
>
>You make words of plagiarism?? I hope you have fine lawyer.
>
>I hope words of Carlos no are taken truthful.  Pobrecito Carlos will buy no
>more books from Gomez, Tuyen, Nolan, Montroll, Stoker??? So sad for him.
>
>De mi corazon,

Also de mi corazon, this was funny the first time (Xuxa). Then we got the
second one (Michael LaFlosse). Perhaps it's time to give it a rest?
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From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: 16 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: Origami Books: What do you look for

    Carlos hits the nail squarely with:

>A ratio paper side/finished model's size<

    My books are full of small cryptic jottings on the index page and last
diagram page- usually a hash mark at each end of the model, and a two-place
decimal indicating the finished size of the model as a percentage of the
starting square. Not merely another indication of my obsessiveness, but a
very useful tool when making models for a display or a mobile. Pinecones
three times the size of squirrels confuses the viewer- but deciding before
folding, and sizing the starting square in proportion to the desired
finished model, saves a lot of wasted time and paper.
    In one of the Tanteidan back issues, I noticed that Kawahata offered
that same information at the start of one of his beetle models- something I
would like to see become as standardized as the other symbols we all
commonly use in folding.

    On an unrelated note, thanks S. Levine for
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. I've been rattling that off
(read: boring people to tears)  since fourth grade. Nice to know you're not
alone, although I don't want to think about what that might imply. At any
rate, pneumo... leaves antidisestablishmentarianism in the dust.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Emily Brunson <janissa@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: 17 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: [NO] Matrix Trilogy

At 04:24 AM 8/17/1999 +0000, Phil and Amy wrote:
>
>I've heard that also, although one of my sources says that they will be a
>separate storyline. (i.e. not a sequel, but in the same universe with
>different characters)  The other half of my sources says that they will be
>sequels (i.e. with Keanu Reeves and Lawrence Fishbourne)  Neither of them
>are really what you call 'in the know', so I guess we'll just have to see if
>the rumors are true.

A short piece in Entertainment Weekly July 11 said that Keanu Reeves had
signed to do both sequels, for a "multi-million deal."  The only caveat I
had heard about was that the same judo trainer who worked with KR and Larry
Fishburne in the first movie be brought back for the second two -- not sure
if that demand was met or not, but I assume (and certainly hope) that it was.

Here's a bit about the second two films:

  The film's co-director Andy Wachowski hinted last month that the
  movie was always intended to be one of a three-part series.

  "We always conceived The Matrix as a trilogy," he told a Canadian
  newspaper.

  "We could do a prequel and a sequel to this episode or two prequels or
  two sequels.

  "The story and characters lend themselves to any number of
  permutations and combinations."

  The two sequels are expected to be made back-to- back and released
  within months of each other in a complete break with cinema marketing
  tradition.

>A rumor I DON'T want to come true is that The Matrix will be released only
>on DVD, not on videotape.  >:-(

I had heard that originally the movie was to be released only as VHS to
rent, not to buy -- this is the first I've heard of DVD-only.  However,
there was a petition to release it on VHS-to-buy, and it worked; the tapes
will be on sale Nov 23 (VHS-to-rent and DVD-to-buy on Sept 21).  Good deal
on the DVD through reel.com at $12.49.

All of this subject to change, since I am just reporting what I've found on
the www.  ;)

Best,
Em
