




From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:45:16 +0000
Subject: L.I.F.E. Fold Fest

Anyone in the area of Long Island, New York on Sunday August 29th is invited to
join members of Long Island Folding Enthusiasts for our annual Fold Fest.

There is no charge and no need to let us know you're coming. Bring paper, food,
your origami for display or just yourself to The Plainview/Old Bethpage Library
from approximately 1:00P.M. till 9:00P.M.

Because of our proximity to New York City, we often get wonderful origami
visitors like OUSA board members, John Montroll and Thoki Yenn. Gay Merrill
Gross and Mark Kennedy and Arlene have come every year.

We will be picking up commuters at the Hicksville station of the Long Island
Railroad at about noon. You must let me know if you need a ride.

For further information, please e-mail me privately.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:32:40 -0700
Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. Fold Fest

At 03:45 PM 8/5/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Anyone in the area of Long Island, New York on Sunday August 29th is invited to
>join members of Long Island Folding Enthusiasts for our annual Fold Fest.
>
>There is no charge and no need to let us know you're coming. Bring paper, food,
>your origami for display or just yourself to The Plainview/Old Bethpage Library
>from approximately 1:00P.M. till 9:00P.M.
>
>Because of our proximity to New York City, we often get wonderful origami
>visitors like OUSA board members, John Montroll and Thoki Yenn. Gay Merrill
>Gross and Mark Kennedy and Arlene have come every year.
>
>We will be picking up commuters at the Hicksville station of the Long Island
>Railroad at about noon. You must let me know if you need a ride.
>
>For further information, please e-mail me privately.
>
>
>Rachel Katz
>Origami - it's not just for squares!
>
>
Rachel,

I couldn't find your URL so that's why I couldn't e mail you privately.
If I don't have to check a kid into college that day, I'll be there at
the Hicksville station around noon!

I appologize to the other list members for this post here,
Ria





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:20:14 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

In a message dated 8/5/99 2:55:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, -isa-@EXCITE.COM
writes:

> So, this morning I am reading the list and I just wondered why we couldn't
>  use some type of origami instead of the stars.
>
>  Is there something simple that a non-folder could do in a few minutes? Keep
>  in mind that it would have to be something done with plain paper--maybe
>  copier paper? Is this asking too much?
>

Aloha Isa,

(1) There's a family of simple, four-pointed,  rather flat, stars
that start from the birdbase.

You fold all four long flaps up (i.e. reverse-fold the head and
tail flaps up as far as they will go, then fold the wing flaps
up as far as they go).

Now you're looking at a tall isosceles triangle, with two
raw edges meeting along its vertical midline.

See the two blunt corners, left and right?
Valley fold those flaps, from the center of the base
of the triangle, up and in toward the midline.
Do the same for the two flaps behind.

The result is an upside-down kite shape,
with four long points at the upper tail end.

Peel open the two wing flaps,
keeping your fingers on those small corner flaps,
so they don't unfold, and open the wing flaps out
as far as they'll go squashing the 'hump' of the birdbase
into a pillowy square, in a Lover's Knot move.

Voila! A four-pointed star.

Now you can fold, squash, pleat, rabbit-ear, etc.
the four points and the four corner flaps,
to modify the length, number, and appearance of the points.

Don't remember where I last saw this, maybe in
a Florence Temko, or Toshie Takahama, or Isao Honda book.

(2) Remember the trick for folding a sheet of paper, then
cutting a 5-point star with one cut?
There's a whole tradition of One-Cut tricks.
Check at a magic shop, like Magic, Inc. in Chicago.

These aren't origami, but

(3) there's the 'traditional' (?) woven ribbon bird
(from one piece of ribbon, cut into two pieces,
that are slit most of the way into fours),
and

(4) the woven ribbon star (from four strips),
sometimes called the the Swedish Star,
any craft store should have instructions.

I know I ran into instructions online, maybe
http://www.thehistorynet.com/EarlyAmericanHomes/articles/12962_stars.htm
or
http://www.wwvisions.com/craftbb/papercrafts/3047.html .

Or look for a book "What are Fronds For?",
it's about palm frond weaving, but a lot of the
designs work and have been used in ribbon
weaving, and straw weaving.

(5) there's a woven fish, too, maybe
http://www.pack-o-fun.com/_disc1/00000009.htm
(sorry, I'm having problems with my online
connections, or I'd check these.)

(6) Also, go look at the Danish Christmas Hearts page,
http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc24645/xmsheart.htm   .
It's neat. Innovations on an old idea.

Sorry to babble. Not enough sleep.
Gotta cut this short, I think I smell lunch burning.

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura  (kenny1414@aol.com )





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:16:46 -0700
Subject: Re: SpamCop detained your email

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:39:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

What about Brill's star, you know the fluffy one?  Also the traditional
Chinese Lucky Star.  I like stars.  That fun yet extremely easy spiky star
in unit origami (I don't know the exact name, and I'm too lazy to look it
up).

David





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:05:26 -0400 (
Subject: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email

What is this about?  The message said that the origami-l subscribes to this?
My email is being detained.  Messages like this are scary-should I be worried
about a virus?

Did anyone else get this message?

Patty





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:48:05 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email

I do not know the answers, but, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about.
I put my trust in Joseph Wu and I trust he knows what he is doing.
It sounds like SpamCop is some type of program that makes sure the email
sent to this list is really from a person and not an automatic spam program.
If an automatic spam program were to send spam to this list then it would be
blocked because the spamming program would be too stupid to correctly reply
to SpamCop's requests/questions.  Joseph, is this correct?  I would assume
that if you ever get a message *directly* from SpamCop then all you have to
do is reply and answer its questions.  (if you notice, that email we all
received was a *quoted* email that was resent from someone; it was not sent
directly to the list from SpamCop.)

>
> What is this about?  The message said that the origami-l subscribes to this?
> My email is being detained.  Messages like this are scary-should I be worried
> about a virus?
>
> Did anyone else get this message?
>
> Patty
>
>
>

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:21:29 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

When I need "cheap" origami paper I use wrapping paper.  Foil at Christmas is
great.  Even if you must use copy paper...the throwing star is a simple yet
pretty fold.  My middle school Origami club teaches the public every
Christmas at an event called Festival of Trees.  There is a bell fold that is
very similar to the drinking cup that is also nice.  These could easily be
decorated.
Oh the Israeli Flower (looks like a poinsettia) would work but you would need
a chenille stem to hold it together.  I have many more suggestions if you
would like to contact me one on one.

Pat





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:29:37 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email

I did and want the same answers.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:52:23 -0700
Subject: [NO] Blair Witch

I saw the Blair Witch Project and I thought it was great!  I enjoyed the
mystery of the whole thing and how 'real' it was made.  Many people in the
theatre thought it was an actual documentary!  Imagine how scared they
were!  If any of you have seen, send me an email.  I'd be interested in
discussing the Blair Witch.  Privately of course, it just wouldn't be good
to give spoilers.

David





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:37:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email

I got it too....I think it's like weeding your garden...

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Question about: Re: SpamCop detained your email

> I do not know the answers, but, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about.
> I put my trust in Joseph Wu and I trust he knows what he is doing.
> It sounds like SpamCop is some type of program that makes sure the email
> sent to this list is really from a person and not an automatic spam
program.
> If an automatic spam program were to send spam to this list then it would
be
> blocked because the spamming program would be too stupid to correctly
reply
> to SpamCop's requests/questions.  Joseph, is this correct?  I would assume
> that if you ever get a message *directly* from SpamCop then all you have
to
> do is reply and answer its questions.  (if you notice, that email we all
> received was a *quoted* email that was resent from someone; it was not
sent
> directly to the list from SpamCop.)
>
>
> >
> > What is this about?  The message said that the origami-l subscribes to
this?
> > My email is being detained.  Messages like this are scary-should I be
worried
> > about a virus?
> >
> > Did anyone else get this message?
> >
> > Patty
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>  Douglas Zander                |
>  dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
>  Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:45:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Questions about Spam mail cop

Hi everybody,

I think my response to the list instead of privately posting
to Rachel Katz had triggered that darn Spam cop.  I've got her
e-mail address now and I won't make the same mistake in the
future, I hope.  Every now and again I see others on the list
make the same mistake, unintentionally.

I appologize, for the confusion and inconvenience.

Ria (red in the face) Sutter





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:59:37 +0800
Subject: Re: Teaching at ORCA

Get used to it, Joseph: Until the day you get all your stuff together in
a book that we can buy, you're going to be bombarded with this 'any
diagrams?' question! I for one do NOT intend leaving you in peace!

All in support say 'Aye'!

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> At 06:50 99/08/05 +0800, you wrote:
> >Joseph Wu's one fold-stegosaurus ..... any diagrams ?! :-P     :-P
> >:-P
>
> Do you really need diagrams? ;-)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
> t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
> w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:09:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

Speaking of using christmas wrap...last year at work I took in a star
ornament that had a childs picture folded into the center...needless to
say...everyone was asking if they could bring in their childs school pics
and have them made into ornaments...and of course I couldn't refuse...I used
a silver hologram wrapping paper and they were beautiful...when asked what I
wanted in return?....my answer was "a roll of gift wrap"....I came home with
about 30 rolls of giftwrap last year...plain, foils, you name it...it was
wonderful...

if anyone is interested in the star I used...it was from Creating Origami-JC
Nolan...pg 120...Decoration 1....

I also use that same diagram and using textured gold paper...using a slight
variation, in that I clip on the fold line on the sides (between
corners)...and fold the resulting free flaps under the points...using 3
different size papers you can layer 3 per side... I then sandwich 2
completed units of these together with a gold string glued between and it
becomes a beautiful golden star ornament on the tree..and they are
stunning....and heavy...

I will include a pic of one on my web site soon...(as soon as I locate one I
did last year...LOL)

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

> When I need "cheap" origami paper I use wrapping paper.  Foil at Christmas
is
> great.  Even if you must use copy paper...the throwing star is a simple
yet
> pretty fold.  My middle school Origami club teaches the public every
> Christmas at an event called Festival of Trees.  There is a bell fold that
is
> very similar to the drinking cup that is also nice.  These could easily be
> decorated.
> Oh the Israeli Flower (looks like a poinsettia) would work but you would
need
> a chenille stem to hold it together.  I have many more suggestions if you
> would like to contact me one on one.
>
> Pat





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:13:34 +0200
Subject: test fridfay 6/8

Kalmon is not worried
Just checking after visit from Spam Cop

www.thok.dk





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:23:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Spamcop

>I do not know the answers, but, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about.
>I put my trust in Joseph Wu and I trust he knows what he is doing.
>It sounds like SpamCop is some type of program that makes sure the email
>sent to this list is really from a person and not an automatic spam program.
>If an automatic spam program were to send spam to this list then it would be
>blocked because the spamming program would be too stupid to correctly reply
>to SpamCop's requests/questions.  Joseph, is this correct?  I would assume
>that if you ever get a message *directly* from SpamCop then all you have to
>do is reply and answer its questions.  (if you notice, that email we all
>received was a *quoted* email that was resent from someone; it was not sent
>directly to the list from SpamCop.)

>--
> Douglas Zander                |
> dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
> Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |

Those inferences are correct.  For more information, you can visit the
Spamcop FAQ at http://spamcop.net/spamfaq.shtml.

I'm not Joseph Wu, but we use Spamcop at home.  (As you can see when I
forget to use my footer instead of Doug's.)  It has completely removed Spam
from our email, saving us a lot of time and irritation.

One useful thing to know -- once you reply to a message from Spamcop to
send a message it was checking out ahead, it adds your address to a "white
list" and from then on passes them through without question (unless the
recipient removes you from the white list manually.)  So, you should only
hear from Spamcop once for messages to this list.  Also, once you reply to
the Spamcop message, it sends the message it asked a question about on to
the recipient, so you don't need to send it again.

If Spamcop blocks your message in the first place, it's because someone
from your ISP has been sending unsolicited bulk emails, and generated
complaints to Spamcop.  No reflection on you -- spammers generally pick an
Internet Service Provider, dump their messages, and then move on.

So please bear with the inconvenience of the Spamcop messages.  Spamcop is
working hard to reduce unwanted email.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:39:43 +0200
Subject: Re: SpamCop detained your email

Interesting message!
How come the same text appears twice in it?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:15:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email [NO]

>What is this about?  The message said that the origami-l subscribes to this?
>My email is being detained.  Messages like this are scary-should I be worried
>about a virus?
>
>Did anyone else get this message?
>
>Patty

I appologize.  It seems that it is my subscription to SpamCop that is
causing these messages.  It should be passing all origami list mail through
without question.  We're working on it.

In the meantime, those messages that SpamCop asks a question about reach
the rest of the list -- no need to resend.  And if you follow the SpamCop
message instructions, it will stop objecting to your messages.

Again, I appologize.  We'll clear this up as soon as possible.
Anna

Doug and Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA - http://www.rdrop.com/~dougw/
Don't send us junk e-mail - we know how to use http://spamcop.net.
"On a clear disk, you can seek forever"





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:48:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

This isn't origami in the strictest sense, but it may be close
enough to period to be of interest. The web site below gives
instructions for making a one-cut five-pointed star that
(legend has it) Betsy Ross used to make stars for the flag.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagstar.html

This could be a good alternative for the people who "can't
fold a straight line to save their lives."

---Lisa

Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: BTStern <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:18:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

Thanks for posting that site Lisa...I used to know how to do that star and
forgot how to fold it...LOL...funny coming from a folder???
I like it very much

Beth
Have a Bob Day
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/origami.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Christmas Origami

> This isn't origami in the strictest sense, but it may be close
> enough to period to be of interest. The web site below gives
> instructions for making a one-cut five-pointed star that
> (legend has it) Betsy Ross used to make stars for the flag.
>
> http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagstar.html
>
> This could be a good alternative for the people who "can't
> fold a straight line to save their lives."
>
> ---Lisa
>
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:50:58 +0200
Subject: NO:Attachments

In the throes of trying to fix my own settings, I didn't pay much attention
at first to the things I was receiving...
Sometimes, however, I get messages "doubled": there's a Netscape icon (htm
attachment?) after the text. When I click it, it starts loading my browser
- and eventually I get a Web page with the same message all over again.
Are these system fatalities, or can someone change something somewhere?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: choe <choe@MATH.SNU.AC.KR>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:55:42 +0900
Subject: Re: A New Paperfolding: ROCKET

 $)C
Dear Roberto,

Thank you for your comments.
You are right.

Jaigyoung Choe

Robby/Laura  @[<:GT :

> Choe,
> At 11.52 5/8/1999 +0900, you wrote:
> >Hi,I am Jaigyoung Choe.
>
> Welcome to the list !
>
> >     I would like to introduce my own paperfolding ROCKET.
>
> However interesting it may be, it's NOT good practice to send GIF pictures
> or other attachments to the whole list. There are hundreds of people here,
> and not all may be interested in wasting time and disk to download it.
> Also, think of what would happen if all the list members suddenly decided
> to attach pictures to their messages....
> Just give a description, and send pictures privately to anyone who requests
> them. Or, give the URL (as you did) for downloading.
>
> Roberto





From: Robby/Laura <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:01:17 +0200
Subject: Re: NO:Attachments

Julia,
At 12.50 6/8/1999 +0200, you wrote:

>Sometimes, however, I get messages "doubled": there's a Netscape icon (htm
>attachment?) after the text. When I click it, it starts loading my browser
>- and eventually I get a Web page with the same message all over again.
>Are these system fatalities, or can someone change something somewhere?

No fatalities, and not your fault: the people sending those messages still
have an HTML option enabled in their mail program (just like you before you
disabled it !). The result is that, in addition to the normal plain-text
message (which you read in your mail window), a second HTML-formatted
version of the SAME message is sent. Since Netscape is your default HTML
reader, the Netscape icon is displayed, and by double clicking it opens the
browser to display the message again. The HTML formatting usually does
nothing else but changing the font from the usual fixed-font of e-mails to
a proportional font like Times New Roman, or whatever you have set in the
browser's Options.

Roberto





From: ROCKYGROD@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:37:50 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email [NO]

Thank you for all the replies about the Spam.  However, I got 6 messages from
the Spam.  Should I just delete these?  It is a nuisance to go through each
one and follow what it says.  I am still concerned about what is happening to
my mail.

Still concerned,

Patty





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:22:44 -0700
Subject: xerox paper

I know xerox paper is probably not quite photostat paper, but that's what I
bought: grey xerox paper to serve two purposes folding paper and printer
paper!  Anyhow it turned out that the results were wonderous for origami!
75gsm hit the spot even if I had to fold slowly.  I've managed Kawahata's
Triceratops, Montroll's Coyote, Kawasaki's Rose and Shell, and what took me
2 1/2 hours, Montroll's Three Headed Dragon.  Qualities I liked about the
paper: it wants to stick to the creases which makes sinks easy since you
don't have much to fear about not folding exactly on the creases.  (trust
me I know after all those sinks on the dragons' necks and those interesting
if easy sinks on Kawahata's triceratops).  Also I found that legs spread
less.  Bad quality: my left thumb's been sore from folding xerox paper.

Question: Does anyone else on the group tried folding from xerox paper, and
have experiences with it that they are willing to share?

David "xerox folding maniac" Whitbeck

ps the result I got from Kawahata's triceratops I think was better than if
I used kami!

pps have a good weekend and remember: sinks are fun!





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 08:16:10 -0700 (
Subject: Re: 1000 Cranes for Columbine H.S.

I am ready to send my cranes, but I would like to know how I should put my
name in the cranes...  thank you!

>From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: 1000 Cranes for Columbine H.S.
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:06:28 -0700
>
>I'd just like to remind everyone that there's still time to fold cranes
>for the Columbine High School students who are recovering from the
>murders and bombing at their school last spring.
>
>Dee Lynch, who is the Affiliate News Editor for the OrigamiUSA
>newsletter, lives in Littleton, Colorado and will be coordinating this
>effort. The cranes will be presented to the students when they return to
>school at the end of August.
>
>If you'd like to contribute, 6 inch paper in blue (prints or solids) or
>silver would be appreciated - blue and silver are the school's colors.
>Dee requests that you identify from where you're sending the cranes.
>
>Dee has received 300 cranes so far. Your contributions at this late date
>would be especially welcome.
>
>Please send your cranes to Dee by the second week in August the latest.
>
>Dee Lynch
>1350 East Easter Avenue
>Littleton, Colorado 80122
>
>Thanks everyone.
>Dorothy

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From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 08:25:37 -0400
Subject: Re: xerox paper

David "Copier Machine Creasing Zealot" Whitbeck indited:

+I know xerox paper is probably not quite photostat paper, but that's what I
+bought: grey xerox paper to serve two purposes folding paper and printer
+paper!  Anyhow it turned out that the results were wonderous for origami!

I've used copier paper when in a pinch, but not very often. Thicker
papers make for very different folding and final results. Some models
achieve a "bulky" look, as in the body of an animal for example, buy
building up layers of paper. For other models, say the seashells in
"Origami Sea Life" by Lang and Montroll, thicker paper gives the model
a more substantial feel.  Kawasaki's Rose and Norminton's Daffodil are
other examples where a thicker paper has a very nice effect. Joseph Wu
and others have been working on a dry tension technique which gives
curves and other sculpted effects without wet-folding. I don't know if
the stresses that puts on the paper would prevent plain ol'
copier/office paper from being used or not.

One of the wonders/joys of origami is that it permits a huge variety of
papers, some call them "found paper," to be used. I particularly like
to use restaurant/diner paper placements, though they are much thinner
than copier paper.

As far as tips, I think it is just a matter of exploring the physical
limits of the paper you happen to be using. In my limited experience,
copier paper has a tendency to get a bit fuzzy on the crease lines, and
it isn't strong enough to take many reverses on the same crease. But
then there are very few papers that are suitable for all models. ;-)

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 08:28:09 -0400
Subject: Tanteidan Newsletter...

As I had enquired about the newsletter on this list, I thought I'd drop a note
to say that myself and another local Pittsburgh folder who is also a
subscriber both received issues #55 and #56 last week. Despite inserted notes
in both issues saying that the cost of individual mailing was too high, we
both got the issues separately shipped and a mere few days apart. Very odd.

-D'gou





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 10:25:16 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] Spamcop

Doug and Anna Weathers wrote:
> So please bear with the inconvenience of the Spamcop messages.  Spamcop is
> working hard to reduce unwanted email.
...by generating even more unwanted email for others? I'm not convinced.

Matthias, spammed by SpamCop





From: BTS <btstern@BUFFNET.NET>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:16:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Umulius Rectangulum

I am trying very hard to do this puzzler of an origami piece...but I can't
seem to get the folds in the correct spots...

does anyone have any a method of determining where the folds go?  or any
specififc measuresments I could use?

thanks

Beth

Have A Bob Day
http://www.Geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9109/index.html





From: Teik Seong <tkteik@MBOX2.SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:45:25 +0800
Subject: Re: xerox paper

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:22:44 -0700, david whitbeck wrote:

>I know xerox paper is probably not quite photostat paper, but that's what I
>bought: grey xerox paper to serve two purposes folding paper and printer
>Question: Does anyone else on the group tried folding from xerox paper, and
>have experiences with it that they are willing to share?

Hi,

I think xerox paper should be it, but I never knew it came it grey... ??
The qualities you mentioned are quite similar, except that I don't understand
     the sinks part. Yes, they do hold
creases, but if you were to do sinks, the paper would probably get crumpled at
     the tip of the sink, something
which I do not like, nonetheless, there are ways to overcome it, but describing
     them here would be like
teaching someone how to knot a shoelace over email. Sorrie. :)

The sore thumb effect is very common when you fold thick models. Most very
     common. ;)
Mine's the thumb and fore finger... from the pinching and moulding.

A bad thing about xerox paper is that it doesn't hold it's shape over time.
What I do...
Finish the model, DIP the whole thing into water (It will open up.. so be
     careful.)
And let it dry quickly, preferrably with the aid of the hairdryer. Dip as in
     just like you accidently dropped it into
water and picked it up. Don't get it dripping, but be sure to submerge the
     whole model.

I have not much experience regarding this, as I seldom preserve models.
But experiements have shown me that it does works. Maybe you can put a wire
     mesh inside the model, or
scotch tape up the vital points where spreads tend to occur (Kawahata's
     Anklysauraus).

Regards,
Teik.
[TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]
[ICQ :- 10225773]





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:02:04 +0200
Subject: Tadah on the Clar.i.NET

Kalmon plays again on the Clar.i.Net

There is now a new Version of
Umulius Rectangulum by Jim Cowling of California
sitting pretty on www.thok.dk/umulig.html

and very soon there be still another version
by Francis OW of Singapore
I just have to get the old geezer Thok
to simplify his diagram for this
very neat modification.

I thank you all for the interest in this model
I am very very pleased with myself

Kalmon the great and glorious





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:03:22 +0200
Subject: [peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu: Temporarily signing off]

Hello,

Peter Budai asked me to forward this to the list.

----- Forwarded message from Peter Budai <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu> -----

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:43:21
To: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
From: Peter Budai <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu>
Subject: Please forward this, Sebastian (Temporarily signing off)

Hello,

This is just that I won't be on the list for about week's time. If anybody
wants to write something that I should respond to, please do it to my own
e-mail account <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu> , not to the List. Thanx!

Happy folding, Peter Budai

----- End forwarded message -----

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:03:46 +0200
Subject: [peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu: Re: Folds Wanted]

----- Forwarded message from Peter Budai <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu> -----

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:43:23
To: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
From: Peter Budai <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu>
Subject: Please forward this, Sebastian (Re: Folds Wanted)

At 09:44 AM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote:

>At 08:29 99/07/29 +0100, you wrote:
>>The short answer is NO, but I am sure some of the more competent
designers on
>>the list can modify a Dolphin design to match ;o)

Well, I have created one some years ago and it's in my second book(let).
But _beware_, it's from two sheets!!! Otherwise it looks nice (although no
eyes at all). I wish I had time to do it from one paper!

>Not correct, Andrew! KAWAHATA Fumiaki has an ichthyosaur in his book,
>"Dinosaur Origami" (or it might be in "Dinosaur Origami 2").

That might be much better than my one!  ;-)

Happy folding, Peter Budai

----- End forwarded message -----

--
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:23:29 -0700
Subject: Re: xerox paper

>On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:22:44 -0700, david whitbeck wrote:
>
>>I know xerox paper is probably not quite photostat paper, but that's what I
>>bought: grey xerox paper to serve two purposes folding paper and printer
>>Question: Does anyone else on the group tried folding from xerox paper, and
>>have experiences with it that they are willing to share?
>
>Hi,
>
>I think xerox paper should be it, but I never knew it came it grey... ??
>The qualities you mentioned are quite similar, except that I don't
>understand the sinks part. Yes, they do hold
>creases, but if you were to do sinks, the paper would probably get
>crumpled at the tip of the sink, something
>which I do not like, nonetheless, there are ways to overcome it, but
>describing them here would be like
>teaching someone how to knot a shoelace over email. Sorrie. :)
>
>The sore thumb effect is very common when you fold thick models. Most very
>common. ;)
>Mine's the thumb and fore finger... from the pinching and moulding.
>
>A bad thing about xerox paper is that it doesn't hold it's shape over time.
>What I do...
>Finish the model, DIP the whole thing into water (It will open up.. so be
>careful.)
>And let it dry quickly, preferrably with the aid of the hairdryer. Dip as
>in just like you accidently dropped it into
>water and picked it up. Don't get it dripping, but be sure to submerge the
>whole model.
>
>I have not much experience regarding this, as I seldom preserve models.
>But experiements have shown me that it does works. Maybe you can put a
>wire mesh inside the model, or
>scotch tape up the vital points where spreads tend to occur (Kawahata's
>Anklysauraus).
>
>Regards,
>Teik.
>[TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]
>[ICQ :- 10225773]

I went to office max where they have an aisle of everykind of xerox paper
imaginable in all colors!  I decided on grey because I wanted something
cool, I didn't want a neon color, I was tired of white too.  Grey just hit
the spot!  As for sinks: I've only done simple ones (if you look at the
instructions for the three headed dragon you'll realize that they are
simple) so I haven't had to much problem with creases yet, I just inverted
the right ones and collapsed it, well slowly.  Thanks for the advice on
finishing the model with water and drying it, I never would have thought of
that!  To hit Doug Philips reply at the same time: I haven't had any
problem with fuzziness on crease lines.  They've been sharp and the paper
always wants to help me out by wanting to collapse on the creases instead
of say 1mm from the crease which always annoys me!  Thanks for the idea of
folding the shells, that's a good idea.  I think the Murex for sure.
Before I bought Origami for the Connoisseur the Murex was my favorite
shell!

David





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:25:48 -0700 (
Subject: about 1000 Cranes for Columbine H.S. and a special request

I will be sending my crames (100) shortly, I would like to make a special
request.... because 1000 cranes symbolizes a wish for someone to get well, I
would like to wish and would like for all participants to help me make this
wish... my best friend's frandfather is very sick and I want to wish him to
get well soon....also, my grandmother is also sick, I would like to wish her
well also, thank you, for everyone esle, I hope that health will be with you
forever.

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From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:28:44 -0700 (
Subject: diagrams?

are there doagrams for the models in the first page? and I have trouble
going into the file to see the diagrams in the second page, I have the
program to read them, but when I open it, I have an error message.
http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj22.htm
http://members.home.net/jacalart/menu.htm

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From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:32:30 -0400
Subject: Would be origami authors...

I've heard time and again in this list people saying how hard it is to
write and publish origami books. There is such a small market that finding
a publisher becomes a reality for only a very few. Well, all that is
changing (has changed ?). I won't go into the details here. I'll just say
that anybody can publish a * real * origami book and distribute it via
nationwide changes and amazon.com, barnesandnobel.com and borders.com - all
for less than $400.00.

Those of you who find this interesting are directed to Time magazines
article, The 60-Second Book (Aug, 2 1999 (vol. 154 no.5)).

Jeff (I have not vested interesting this except as a folder) Kerwood





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:13:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Would be origami authors...

Hi Jeff!

Here's the Time magazine article, "The 60 Second Book":

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,28513,00.html

Dorothy





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:33:23 -0700
Subject: Re: diagrams?

Here's a possible answer: your acrobat reader might be to old.  If that is
the case upgrading it would solve your problems.  Good luck on the first
one you'll probably have to get the convention books to fold those models.

David

>are there doagrams for the models in the first page? and I have trouble
>going into the file to see the diagrams in the second page, I have the
>program to read them, but when I open it, I have an error message.
>http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj22.htm
>http://members.home.net/jacalart/menu.htm
>
>
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:15:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Would be origami authors...

D'gou wrote:

"Maybe we'll see books by Marc Kirschenbaum, Jeremy Shafer, Joseph Wu,
Ronald Koh and other list membners, soon! Wheeeeeeeeeeee!"

Or maybe we'll see a complete set of
The Origamian!!!

Dorothy, wheeeeing uncontrollably





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:15:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Question about:  Re: SpamCop detained your email [NO]

>Thank you for all the replies about the Spam.  However, I got 6 messages from
>the Spam.  Should I just delete these?  It is a nuisance to go through each
>one and follow what it says.  I am still concerned about what is happening to
>my mail.
>
>Still concerned,
>
>Patty

Hi Patty and all,
We have exchanged emails with the sysop of Spamcop.  He found a setting
difficulty and changed it.  This should end the problem.  And I looked
through our message log and see no more origami list messages detained.  If
anyone is still having troubles, please let me know.  Sorry, again, for the
inconvenience.

Replying to one Spamcop message should be sufficient, unless multiple
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Hopefully, this will be the end of the problem with SpamCop.  Here's to
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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:04:45 -0700
Subject: Eastern Dragon fold

Hi to the few that are reading their email this weekend!  Also hi to those
that are not and are reading it on Monday morning!  I folded Joseph Wu's
armadillo and it's a great fold!  Anyhow I had an idea

I folded a bird base on one corner (like Montroll does for the heads on the
three headed dragon, but I folded my flap in 1/4 the way to make a big
head) I then folded Montroll's brontosaurus base and double sinked the back
and do stuff similar to the armadillo without messing with head or tail
yet.  Now I did fun folds and had an eastern dragon with mouth, nose, eyes
and horns.  I curled the tail, opened up the sinks and crimped three times
through the dome (similar to the armadillo but smaller and less sharp) and
had an eastern dragon!  But I'd prefer for it to have a long neck.  Any
suggestions

You don't have to follow how I described how I folded it, simply imagine
the armadillo but as a dragon with a small neck and slender body).  If I
folded the head smaller would that do the trick? If anyone has any advice
on folding a longer neck, please tell me.

David

ps is Prehistoric Origami a good book?  I don't have it.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:41:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Would be origami authors...

Jeff Kerwood, pointed out, and Dorothy Engleman found a URL for, a Time
magazine story about Publishing On Demand. Actually, the story seems to call
it Print(ing) on Demand.

Thanks Jeff and Dorothy!

POD has been around for quite a while. Some of you on this list may even have
purchased Mette Pederson's unit origami books, which are POD. What seems to
have happened to really enable this revolution is the available of third party
printers/binders, for equipment that individuals could rarely afford to own.
While no mention was made of color, I have seen many an excellent origami book
which uses shades of grey for indicating the color side of the paper, or for
indicating multiple layers of paper in a model. Lack of color need not prevent
origami books from benefiting from this technology.

Maybe we'll see books by Marc Kirschenbaum, Jeremy Shafer, Joseph Wu, Ronald
Koh and other list membners, soon! Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

-D'gou





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 07:58:58 +0800
Subject: From Xerox Paper: Making Painless Creases

David Whitbeck wrote re 'xerox paper':

(Snip) Bad quality: my left thumb's been sore from folding xerox paper.

This need not necessarily be so. I suspect you may be using the fleshy
part of you thumb/fingers to do the creases. Try using your thumbnail
and fingernails instead, i.e.:

1       Position the edge of the paper you want to crease vertically in front
of you, against a flat surface, holding it in position with your
non-folding hand.

2       Gently flatten this edge a little more (if necessary) by pressing
along its length with the palm of your foldinging hand. You can use the
ball of your wrist, the 'karate chopping edge' (for want of a better
term!), or your fingers, depending on the type and thickness of the
paper and personal preferences.

3       Place the outer edge of the thumbnail of your folding hand at any
point along the edge you want to crease, and draw it firmly but gently
TOWARDS you. Don't go in the other direction as this could cause your
thumbnail to be lifted (Ouch!) with prolonged usage.

4.      To do the rest of the uncreased edge which is away from you, place
the side of the nail of your index (pointing, fore, whatever you call
it) finger against the beginning of the uncreased section of the edge
nearest to you, and draw it AWAY from you. Again, do not go in the other
direction.

This produces neat and clearly defined crease lines. It has worked well
(and painlessly) for me for many years. If it doesn't work for you, read
on .....

Teik Seong wrote, in response to David:

The sore thumb effect is very common when you fold thick models. Most
very common. ;)
Mine's the thumb and fore finger... from the pinching and moulding.

Just carry on doing this regularly for the next 20 - 30 years or so, and
the pain will go away!

Regards.





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:20:03 -0700
Subject: How to make Methyl Cellulose for Backcoating?

Hello everyone,

I'm taking my first stabs at backcoating, in
preparation for a two-tone model.

I've made up a batch of CMC Methyl Cellulose (Sodium
Carboxymethylcellulose, according to the container).
Here are the questions I've been having:

1) It doesn't seem to dissolve very well. The powder
remains in small clumps, even when I mix it with a
mixer. Is this how methyl cellulose is, or is it
because of the humidity, dirty bowl, age of the methyl
cellulose, etc.? How do you make the methyl cellulose
mix?

2) I'm using much more methyl cellulose than the
"stock solution" suggested on the container. I've got
24 oz. of water mixed with 5 t. of methyl cellulose
currently. What recipes do you use to make the
backcoating paste?

3) More of a survey question: Do you also mix methyl
cellulose with your wet-folding water as you wet-fold
the model? I believe I recall Joseph Wu saying that he
does, and Michael La Fosse as saying that he doesn't,
but I don't remember why.

Thanks in advance,

Carmine

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From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:23:21 -0700
Subject: Graying paper: Suggestions?

Hello again,

I have a piece of green paper that needs to be grayed
a bit. It's labeled as a "mint green", but it's got to
become Yoda's skin color.

I was thinking that a piece of gray charcoal might do
the trick, but since I'm planning to wet-fold it
afterwards it might not stay.

Has anyone had any experience in shading paper with
charcoal, or a spray paint? Any suggestions for me to
try?

Thanks,

Carmine

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From: Kelly Dunn <Kellydunn@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:54:10 -0400 (
Subject: myths

Hi, I'm interested in the stories and history of the traditional models. Does
anyone know any of the myths about the traditional models? I'm wondering if
the stories were written down somewhere. thanks, Kelly





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:47:41 +0800
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon fold

david whitbeck wrote:

> ps is Prehistoric Origami a good book?  I don't have it.

What a question! Live by the adage that 'A John Montroll book is a good
book' and you couldn't be wrong. Go get it, and quick!





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:51:39 +0800
Subject: Re: Would be origami authors...

Doug Philips wrote:
> >
> Thanks Jeff and Dorothy!
>
> Maybe we'll see books by Marc Kirschenbaum, Jeremy Shafer, Joseph Wu, Ronald
> Koh and other list membners, soon! Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
>
> -D'gou

Yes, many thanks indeed, Jeff and Dorothy. It is definitely an avenue I
shall be exploring.





From: Carmine Di Chiara <carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:38:08 -0700
Subject: Backcoating questions - Amended.

Since I sent that email, the mixture seems to have
homogenized. So I suppose only questions #2 and #3
remain.

Thanks,

Carmine

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From: "David Walker (MSFDC-JV)" <v-davwa@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:27:08 -0700
Subject: Re: diagrams

on sat tiffany tam ask the following:
are there doagrams for the models in the first page? and I have trouble
going into the file to see the diagrams in the second page, I have the
program to read them, but when I open it, I have an error message.
http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj22.htm
http://members.home.net/jacalart/menu.htm

of the models menmentioned on the first site
http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~origamih/tenji/ehpj22.htm
these have diagrams in the origami tanteidan newsletters the rest are
located where noted or if not mentioned are not published as far as i know

gecko/fly - see origami archive site
sutegosaurus by hiroaki takai - tanteidan-oru
mammoth by  Noboru Miyajima-  tantiedan
devil by jun maekawa  - viva origami- tantiedan annual vol 1
yoda - by fumiaki kawahata - tantiedan - bos newsletter
gamera by shinji sasade - tantiedan
eastern dragon - joseph wu's web site
dragon by takashi hojyo  - tanteidan
godzilla by nishikawa - tantiedan
squirrel by komatsu l - tanteidan
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From: Mette Pederson <mette.pederson@TRIFOLIUM.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:04:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Backcoating questions - Amended.

Yes, the clumping behavior you experienced when first preparing the mixture
is rather normal.  Although, I'm a little concerned about the ratio of
Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose to water that you are using.  Although, I
admit I'm not familiar with Sodium Carboxymethylcellulose.  We use either
plain old methyl cellulose or Methylan Cellulose.  Rather than typing
everything I know about backcoating here, please see the write-up on my web
page, http://mette.pederson.com/Backcoat.htm.  It includes the recipe and
process we use, as well as a little information about wet folding.

Mette "Units" Pederson
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Mette@Pederson.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carmine Di Chiara [mailto:carmine_dichiara@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 2:38 PM
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Backcoating questions - Amended.

Since I sent that email, the mixture seems to have
homogenized. So I suppose only questions #2 and #3
remain.

Thanks,

Carmine

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From: Russell Sutherland <RGS467@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:20:37 -0400 (
Subject: Safari Origami pics posted

Hey Fellow Folders:

I purchased Lionel Albertino's new book Safari Origami while in Paris a
couple of months ago.  It is a great book for the advanced folder who enjoys
folding animals.  Lionel's models are superb.  The designs are elegant and
the diagrams are straightforward.  The book recommends most of these models
be wetfolded for best results.

I believe this book is self-published.  I could not find an ISBN number, and
it is in FRENCH.  I have had several people inquire about how to obtain the
book.  If anyone has the specifics and ordering info, please post it to the
list :)

I folded the RHINO and HIPPO models this weekend.... very rewarding folds...
I am posting the URL's to pictures of these models.  I apologize to Lionel if
the folding quality is not up to standard.... These were first attempts.

HIPPO PIC:

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/5668/myhippo3.jpg

RHINO PIC:

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/5668/myrhino.jpg

Thanks to Lionel Albertino for giving the origami community such a wonderful
book.

Sincerely,

Russell Sutherland
AKA: LoneFolder





From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@KIMSCRANE.COM>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:47:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Safari Origami By Lionel Alberto

Yes, Kim's Crane will be carrying the book, Safari Origami by Lionel Alberto.  I
should have it in stock in the next several weeks.  Please e-mail me off line if
you are interested in obtaining a copy.  (Thanks for the plug on the book,
Russell!)
Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com

Russell Sutherland wrote:

> Hey Fellow Folders:
>
> I purchased Lionel Albertino's new book Safari Origami while in Paris a
> couple of months ago.  It is a great book for the advanced folder who enjoys
> folding animals.  Lionel's models are superb.  The designs are elegant and
> the diagrams are straightforward.  The book recommends most of these models
> be wetfolded for best results.
>
> I believe this book is self-published.  I could not find an ISBN number, and
> it is in FRENCH.  I have had several people inquire about how to obtain the
> book.  If anyone has the specifics and ordering info, please post it to the
> list :)
>
> I folded the RHINO and HIPPO models this weekend.... very rewarding folds...
> I am posting the URL's to pictures of these models.  I apologize to Lionel if
> the folding quality is not up to standard.... These were first attempts.
>
> HIPPO PIC:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/5668/myhippo3.jpg
>
> RHINO PIC:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/5668/myrhino.jpg
>
> Thanks to Lionel Albertino for giving the origami community such a wonderful
> book.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Russell Sutherland
> AKA: LoneFolder





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:13:26 -0700
Subject: Folders from New Zeland

Greetings,

Are there any members or lurkets on the list who live in New Zeland?

Ria Sutter





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:20:30 -0700
Subject: a question

Since I'm a newbie, please no one get upset when I ask this question.  I
know everyone is excited about Montroll coming out with two new books, I am
as well.  But what I want to know is Robert J. Lang writing another book?
And if so what is the theme of the book?

David "ducks as tomatoes, books and ducks fly at him" Whitbeck





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:22:29 -0700
Subject: dragon and Montroll's Lobster

Well I figured out the eastern dragon problem.  I guess I shouldn't have
emailed the question when the answer was so obvious.  My head and the
entire body are better now.  Well I don't mean my head, I mean the dragons
head.

After some thought I think I came up with an acceptable solution to the
Montroll's lobster's tail.  I have noticed in aquariums and in tanks where
the wait to be joyfully boiled and gobbled up, that their tail is curled
up, as if they wanted to 'tuck tail' to make a bad pun.  So how about
simply criming the tail to curve down and back to the body.  Since the
tucked tail is small, it won't be so noticable that the tail is not the
right size.

David
