




From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:37:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

At 03:51 PM 7/25/99 +0100, you wrote:

>Is Jeannine's business card cube the same as what we know as Paul Jackson's
>Cube - but without the need to fold both raw edges of the square to the
>centre to give it stiffness?

i'm not sure if i know this cube ... where is it diagrammed?

>If I picture the result right the end product of cube plus turrets is a
>rhombic dodeca which has half of each face solid and half missing. Correct
>or wrong?

exactly

>If I'm correct this is the same shape as Dave Brill's Waterbombic
>Dodecahedron as diagrammed and pictured on page 97 of Brilliant Origami -
>but produced by a very different method. (Incidentally there's a related
>sort of shape in my Mathematical Origami called the Decorative
>Rhombidodecahedron in which the missing areas bit deeper into the central
>cube.)

yes, i remember that model (the waterbombic dodeca)...it's the same shape

>In theory it should be possible to produce a platonic dodecahedron by your
>method. I've had several attempts at this over the years but never fully
>succeeded.

i think a method of producing a platonic dodeca from a cube is detailed in
origami omnibus; perhaps when i have more business cards i will try this...

peace,
alasdair

p.s. where does one get more business cards? jeannine? anyone?





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:57:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Nick Robinson wrote:

> No - most of us are old geezers (42)

YOIKS!! you too?!?  As long as you weren't born in december, that
would be scary!

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:07:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Christopher Holt wrote:

> There's no 'kid's table' at the origami feast--you've gotta dive in with the
> rest of us. Education is not a one-way street. How do you think the older
> members of the group got where they are? That's right, stealing the ideas of
> more youthful folk like yourselves. More power to you. All the best - c!!

Darn right and don't you forget it!

(hey kid, got any diagrams?)

Perry (Snort + guffaw = snorfaw??)
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:13:41 -0500
Subject: No re: Dave V.

Hi!

sorry to use the listserve this way but I was trying to reach
Dave Venables but all my e-mails come back as undeliverable.  Hoy
Dave you out there? I need your new e-mail addy.

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:16:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Another geezer, I'm afraid (but I still get carded sometimes, does that count?)

Kim

>

> On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, david whitbeck wrote:
>
> > Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
> >
> > David





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:29:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM> sez

>Shall I ever
>be a full 'old' geezer? Perhaps not, but only time will tell.

One sue-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
she's *always* there to remind you of your age & out of date views on
everything ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Erin L Ostrander <eostrand@SOPHIA.SMITH.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:24:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

David-

I'm 21 almost 22.

        Erin

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, david whitbeck wrote:

> Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
>
> David





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:25:47 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: [NO] people

Am I the youngest octogenarian on this list ?

ThokI Yenn
www.thok.dk





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:53:02 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] people

On Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 07:37:58PM -0700, david whitbeck wrote:
> Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.

A straight-forward answer: Yes.

I turned nineteen last month, and ... Peter? Are you there?

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:26:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Nick Robinson sez-

>One sure-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
>she's *always* there to remind you of your age & out of date views on
>everything

That goes double if you are blessed with two teenage daughters- they stop
fighting with each other only to agree on my geezerliness. I celebrated the
fifteenth anniversary of my 29th birthday this year, and unlike Kim, (whose
real name must be Doreen Gray), I don't get carded anymore.
By the way Nick- I was in a bookstore in Lincoln, New Hampshire yesterday,
and one of your books was among the two- count 'em- two origami books they
had for sale.

Scott scram@landmarknet.net





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:08:32 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Nick wrote:

>One sue-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
>she's *always* there to remind you of your age...

My mirror does this job. Life is just starting to add some unnecessary folds
to my face. Guess I'll end up like these high complex crease patterns. :o)

Still 39, guess I'll stopp counting from now on.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:03:55 -0500
Subject: LOG meeting notice July 27, 7-9pm. [Littleton, MA USA]

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Small Meeting" room downstairs next to the elevator.

This month's meeting will focus on getting ready for the group activities,
discussion about a LOG web page, and the usual folding, learning, and fun.

When: Tuesday,  June 29, 1999, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:05:37 -0500
Subject: [date corrected] LOG meeting notice July 27, 7-9pm. [Littleton,

The Littleton Origami Group (LOG) [Littleton, MA USA]
will be meeting the last Tuesday of the month at the Littleton
library in the "Small Meeting" room downstairs next to the elevator.

This month's meeting will focus on getting ready for the group activities,
discussion about a LOG web page, and the usual folding, learning, and fun.

When: Tuesday,  July 27, 1999, 7:00 - 9:00pm.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.

Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.
This intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic light.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.
Coming from 119 West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward
Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this
is one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

There is free parking to the left and rear of the building.





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:06:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

At 07:37 PM 7/24/99 -0700, you wrote:

>Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.

Hmm, let's count... almost 18!

Happy folding,

Peter Budai





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

>No - most of us are old geezers (42)
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson

Another geezer here (43).
But young in origami years (8).

Looking forward to folding time and space.

Cats have the right attitude towards age -
a cat is always at the purrfect age.

Dennis Brannon

dennisbrannon@netscape.net





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:09:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [date corrected] LOG meeting notice July 27, 7-9pm. [Littleton,

Dennis
I will have the caterpillar book and we can decide who folds what. I think
that our dropdead date is middle of November for all of the models
finished. I will also be looking for ideas as to how models get attached to
trees. There may be cats at the museum-less than purrfect situation.





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:14:07 -0400
Subject: diagrams and designers

By the way isnt ronald koh a nice guy?





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:21:20 +0800
Subject: Re: Ronald Koh Dinosaurs...

Chinh Nguyen wrote:
>
> Having just looked at the gallery and becoming a fan, I was wondering
> what other models of yours are diagrammed and where.  I think the
> ankylosaurus is in one of the OUSA Convention books, yes?

Thanks for the compliments.

Most of the diagrams I released were published in the OUSA Annual
Collections:

1993    -       Cockatoo, shore crab & markhor (a wild goat with spirally horns
     &
hairy chest/neck)
1994    -       Bird of paradise, elasmosaurus and a hen
1995    -       Black rhinoceros, whippet & ankylosaurus (thanks to J C Nolan's
heroic effort with
                the diagrams!)
1996    -       Ranchu (an ornamental goldfish), parasaurolophus and diplodocus
1997    -       Nothing published. I was busy imitating a bear in the dead of
winter (ZZZzzzzzzz)
1998    -       Stegosaurus and rocking horse.
1999    -       I have not seen the publication yet, but Marc tells me that my
tancho oranda
                (another ornamental goldfish) is in there. Not sure what else.

Another ornamental goldfish (the ryukin) was published in a past OUSA
newsletter. Sergei Afonkin included the T-Rex in his recent book on
dinosaurs. I think that's about it for the published stuff. I have
released the diagrams for a number of other models which have yet to be
published. (Can't recall what they are - us geezers are like that).

I've just completed the diagrams for the bubble eye goldfish, a frilled
lizard and dilophosaurus - after a looooooong break - thanks to the
encouragement and support from you guys/gals/geezers/origami mummies on
the list. I have tried to reply individually to all who sent me private
emails, but may have inadvertently left some of you out. My humble
apologies.





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:42:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Nick Robinson wrote:
>
> One sue-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
> she's *always* there to remind you of your age & out of date views on
> everything ;)

Aint it the truth!!!!!

Perry
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:47:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Evi wrote:

> Still 39, guess I'll stopp counting from now on.

OOH! A Jack Benny fan!

Perry

--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:21:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [date corrected] LOG meeting notice July 27, 7-9pm. [Littleto n,

>I will have the caterpillar book and we can decide who folds what. I think
>that our dropdead date is middle of November for all of the models
>finished. I will also be looking for ideas as to how models get attached to
>trees. There may be cats at the museum-less than purrfect situation.

Sounds good.  Ornament hangers should be ok with a bit of bending or tape.
Depends on what kind of cats.  Tiger cats ignore paper; long hair black cats
love to shred paper.  I suspect we'll encounter the latter because they're
more docile and less prone to clawing and biting kids.
So I suspect we'll have to fold toys for the cats.  With my brother's cat,
the Neale dragon is the toy of choice because of all the projections that
can be swatted, and its easy to carry around in the mouth.  But my brother
has never put up a Christmas tree so I don't know if the urge to climb it
would be the stronger attraction.

Dennis





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

----- Original Message -----
From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>

> the oldest of us geezettes send private messages to the whole list. sorry.

What'd you say there, missy? Gotta speak up.
all the best - c!





From: Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:59:48 -0400 (
Subject: Just joined

Hello

My name is Leigh Halford and I am a Science Teacher in Plymouth, Devon (UK)

I started folding about 7 years ago, not really sure why, but it just
happened. Probably because of my interest in the Circus and especially the
old American Carnies. Found a book called Home Fun (1910 ish) with a
multiform in it. Just got hooked.

Mostly I folded from books, but always fiddled and came up with a few
variations. One day one of my students asked me for an Enterprise from Star
Trek, and it just came. Since then I decided to start putting my thoughts in
order and drawing what I folded. Initially EmmaJG  helped me out by putting
my drawing on her web page. So if you get this: Thanks again-Still a smiley
Person.

However I couldn't rely on charity anymore so I made my own page up.
Check out http://hometown.aol.com/origami451/index.html
It is changing daily and so far shows only my folds on it(mainly SCI-FI but
as drawings get done the balance changes) but I would like it to be a blank
canvas. If anybody wants a place to display just let me know.
Anyway great to join

Later
leigh





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:13:33 -0400
Subject: Sorry

Ron
I am not paying attention these days. Sorry about writing apersonal message
to the list and using your name! It was just a thought when i read about
how many of your models you have given away.

Joyce





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:14:33 -0400
Subject: [NO] people

the oldest of us geezettes send private messages to the whole list. sorry.





From: "Brannon, Dennis" <Dennis.Brannon@COMPAQ.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:27:38 -0400
Subject: oops, sorry

Sorry for the personal reply, looks like when I replied
to Joyce Saler's mail the reply went to the list instead.
I check it next time.

Sorry,
Dennis Brannon





From: Laurel Paquette <Blpaquette@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:43:54 -0400 (
Subject: (no subject)

I am looking for models or information showing the connection between
astrology and origami.

Thanks

Laurel





From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:34:56 -0600
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

Julia Palffy wrote:
>
> A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
> an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with paper,
> a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
> better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
> sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
> posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).
>

You should have looked him square in the face and said, "Have you ever
actually tried to fold a slab of granite?"

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:35:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Ronald Koh Dinosaurs...

Thanks for the response, Mr. Koh!

Now I wonder if there's any kind soul out there who can help me get my
bloody hands on a copy of the 1995 OUSA annual, which isn't listed on the
Source, and I recall some discussion on this list about how it was no
longer in print...





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:21:35 -0700
Subject: Headin' East...

Hello All!!!
    I'm going to be headed back east to the ol' stomping grounds for two
weeks, starting Friday, and was wondering about any folding groups along the
Boston-Worcester (rt.9) corridor. I'll also be in Quebec. It might be nice
to find good paper rsources in both places. I'm very familiar with all of
Mass., so just rough ideas, general areas or blocks in most towns would be
okay. Amherst and Northampton, too!!! All the best - c!!!





From: Jeffrey Yen <orangex3@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:45:58 -0400
Subject: pet peeve

Hi,
I was just curious of people's pet peeve of origami.  I personally can
not stand it when the paper rips in middle of some model.  Especially
when you're working with something extremely delicate and intricate.
It really annoys me when I fold something for hours and suddenly, a
tear starts to form.  Even the slightest angers me.  I would just like
to mention that since I have quite a bit of experience on this.  Ok,
that's about it.  Bye.

Jeffrey Yen
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Jeffrey Yen <orangex3@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:46:11 -0400
Subject: napkin

Hi again,
Does anyone know where I can find some diagrams on folding napkins?  I
just suddenly had an interest in them.  Thank you.

Jeffrey Yen
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Terry Buse <tbuse@VSTA.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:09:11 -0700
Subject: Re: pet peeve

getting to step 39 after working for an hour and half on a 70 step model and
can't figure out the next step





From: Maura Trucks <mtrucks@GDINET.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:17:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] people

While according to the definition, I can't be a geezer because I'm not male,
     still,
I don't think I have reached the female equivilant of geezerhood yet, even
     though
I'm 50 AND have teenage daughters!  I have found that my teenagers are making me
feel younger all the time.  They give me a fresh perspective, and I have come to
appreciate some of their music, too.  So, I'm glad we have you, Chris and Nick,
     and
everybody else.
I'm glad to know we have all ages and levels of experience on this list.  I've
     been
doing origami since I was 8 years old, but have had limited exposure, just what
     I
could find at the library, and a few books of my own.  The list and web sites
     have
opened up new areas.  Thanks to all.
Maura

Nick Robinson wrote:

> Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM> sez
>
> >Shall I ever
> >be a full 'old' geezer? Perhaps not, but only time will tell.
>
> One sue-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
> she's *always* there to remind you of your age & out of date views on
> everything ;)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
     syphons!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:30:14 -0700
Subject: Re: pet peeve

Like Engel's crab?  It looks quick and easy until you start to fold it you
get to that nasty fold and rip!  And the bloodrage sets in and before you
know it you're using the dark side of the force  Okay maybe that doesn't
happen, but how do you think Darth Maul became what he did?  He saw a Jedi
folding Engel's crab giving a thin pleasant model.  When he tried to
duplicate it

David

ps bad math/physics joke: why are carpool operators good in quantum
mechanics?  They commute.

>Hi,
>I was just curious of people's pet peeve of origami.  I personally can
>not stand it when the paper rips in middle of some model.  Especially
>when you're working with something extremely delicate and intricate.
>It really annoys me when I fold something for hours and suddenly, a
>tear starts to form.  Even the slightest angers me.  I would just like
>to mention that since I have quite a bit of experience on this.  Ok,
>that's about it.  Bye.
>
>Jeffrey Yen
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Maureen Evans <kanga@ESCAPE.CA>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:41:54 -0500
Subject: Origami sighting

Just saw a commercial for Wheat Thins.  They say "origami wheat thins"
as the little wheat thin folds into a crane.  Way cool.

Maureen





From: Martha Winslow-Cole <afolder@AVANA.NET>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:38:30 -0500
Subject: (NO) Origami sighting

Hi all,

This has probably already been reported to the list at sometime, but just in
case and for the newbees - last night I found a silver flatware pattern called
ORIGAMI.  You can see it at:   http:www.dansk.com/origami.htm

Martha Winslow-Cole





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:12:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

At 11:53 PM 7/25/99 +0200, Sebastian Kirsch:

>I turned nineteen last month, and ... Peter? Are you there?

Looks like I am very popular on this list?  ;-)
(No, no, I just wanted to say something humorous, maybe without success...)

Yes, I am here but I check my e-mail each day at 6 pm (CET) so what I get
on Sunday afternoon, I reply on Monday afternoon (that is, that's when it
gets sent!), that's why my e-mails are always a bit delayed.

Happy folding,

Peter "I wrote this yesterday" Budai





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:55:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami

Marcia Mau --

Thanks for your experiences teaching elders.  Useful information.

You mention several models that I haven't seen, and that sound interesting.
Could you give more information on where they are published?

>the magazine cover
>box folded from 8.5x11 paper

>Humi Huzita's Portfolio

>frog folded from 3x5 index cards

Thank you,
Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:56:49 +0800
Subject: Re: (NO) diagrams and designers

Joyce Saler wrote:
>
> By the way isnt ronald koh a nice guy?

Nope - he's a crabby old geezer ....

(Nick Robinson and Dennis Brannon! Go play with your skateboards! At
42/43, you don't even qualify as associate members in the olg geezers'
club!)

Nick Robinson wrote:

>No - most of us are old geezers (42)
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson

Dennis Brannon wrote:

Another geezer here (43).





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:56:57 +0800
Subject: (NO) Re: Sorry

A little red in the face, but no problem - thanks for the thoughts.

It's just a small gesture in return for all the pleasure origami has
given me through the years. I believe that origami should be shared, and
I certainly have taken out a lot more than I put in.

Cheers.

Joyce Saler wrote:
>
> Ron
> I am not paying attention these days. Sorry about writing apersonal message
> to the list and using your name! It was just a thought when i read about
> how many of your models you have given away.
>
> Joyce





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:57:05 +0800
Subject: (NO) Re: oops, sorry

On second thoughts, perhaps you do qualify for associate membership ....

Brannon, Dennis wrote:
>
> Sorry for the personal reply, looks like when I replied
> to Joyce Saler's mail the reply went to the list instead.
> I check it next time.
>
> Sorry,
> Dennis Brannon





From: zealous Fuse fanatic <origamifreak@YAHOO.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:02:08 -0700
Subject: Headin' Upstate...

Hey all,

I'm relocating to Ithaca, NY.  Anyone know of groups
or folding resources in the Finger Lakes region?  I
figure there must be many long, dark winter nights up
there suitable for folding...

Thanx,

anja
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com





From: Roman Snytsar <rsnytsar@VRPILOTS.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:05:14 +0400
Subject: Astrology and origami

Please take a look at John Montroll's book
Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac in Origami
http://www.vrpilots.com/store/0486289710.htm

Regards,

Roman Snytsar rsnytsar@vrpilots.com

VR Pilots Corp. http://www.vrpilots.com
Virtual Galaxy, Origami Jurassic Park and more

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurel Paquette <Blpaquette@AOL.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: 27 =E8=FE=EB=FF 1999 =E3. 1:00
Subject: (no subject)

>I am looking for models or information showing the connection between
>astrology and origami.
>
>Thanks
>
>Laurel





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:11:10 -0700
Subject: Durability (Was Origami as Art)

I actually like the idea that what I make won't stay around to clutter the
world forever.  I regularly purge my collection to keep it limited to a
small display area and a couple boxes.  This keeps origami from taking over
more than three rooms of the house, and keeps my display fresh to my eyes,
so I don't begin taking it for granted.

The twentieth century has generated massive self-documentation.  I think we
have 30 pounds of photos, alone.  Much of the data on computers and
elsewhere will be lost, fortunately -- the historians of the future will be
extremely grateful to have smaller mountains to sort through when they try
to determine what was important and interesting about our time.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Erin L Ostrander <eostrand@SOPHIA.SMITH.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:05:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Headin' East...

Have you been to the Guild Art store on Main St. in Northampton? It's got
a great paper selection down in the basement. It seems I'm down there a
couple times a week just to walk through, even if I can't afford to buy
anything.
                -Erin Ostrander

On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Christopher Holt wrote:

> Hello All!!!
>     I'm going to be headed back east to the ol' stomping grounds for two
> weeks, starting Friday, and was wondering about any folding groups along the
> Boston-Worcester (rt.9) corridor. I'll also be in Quebec. It might be nice
> to find good paper rsources in both places. I'm very familiar with all of
> Mass., so just rough ideas, general areas or blocks in most towns would be
> okay. Amherst and Northampton, too!!! All the best - c!!!





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:44:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Just joined

In article <773c4e4e.24ce1834@aol.com>, Leigh Halford <Leigh451@AOL.COM>
writes
>Hello
>
>My name is Leigh Halford and I am a Science Teacher in Plymouth, Devon (UK)
>
>I started folding about 7 years ago,

Dear Leigh

A Brit on the list who is not a member of the BOS, hard to believe but I
feel it my duty to tell you how great it is. We have a convention in
Bristol in September, why not come along and see if you like us?

Joining details on BOS homepage,

Best wishes

Penny

Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Just joined

>A Brit on the list who is not a member of the BOS, hard to believe but I
>feel it my duty to tell you how great it is. We have a convention in
>Bristol in September, why not come along and see if you like us?

Not too hard I hope, I'm another one.......
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Martin Liu <liumcn@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:03:26 +1000
Subject: Re: [NO]people

> Date:    Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:29:58 +0100
> From:    Nick Robinson
> Subject: Re: [NO] people
>
> Christopher Holt  sez
>
> >Shall I ever
> >be a full 'old' geezer? Perhaps not, but only time will tell.
>
> One sue-fire way of reaching geezerhood is to have a teenage daughter -
> she's *always* there to remind you of your age & out of date views on
> everything ;)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>

The most empathic way to true and abosolute geezerhood
is to deal with your childrens friends as fellow professionals
that could hurt unless you invoke the terms like experience
etc .
my two bobs worth
Martin Liu.





From: Allan findlay <a_findlay@EXCHANGE.CREATIONS.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:34:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Special Papers (short)

>I just hate putting a model away to finish it later! That's like eating
>only half the cake, drinking only half the beer (or wine, if you're
>Lang), or spending only half of the money in your pockets.

You could look at it in another way, saving it until later when you feel
more like it.
--------------------------
        Allan           (a_findlay@exchange.creations.co.uk)





From: Evi <d.evi.l@MUENSTER.DE>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:46:49 +0200
Subject: Robert Lang

Hi folders,

yesterday I saw him on TV Vox in Germany, together with his great dinosaurus
skeleton. Did he publish the diagrams yet?

Robert explained the origami program, he's using for designing his models.
It's a pitty, this program can be downloaded for free, but it is for
Macintosh only. I wonder if there will be one available for my PC one nice
day, too.

They told on TV, that only a small hand full of people on the whole world
are really good at folding.
So where are you? Raise your hands, please. Stop crowding, they said: a hand
full! :o)

Robert recommended Elephant paper, here comes my question: is it acid free?
If I ever manage to fold something nice, I want it to last at least hundred
years.

Happy folding!
Evi





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:55:48 +0100
Subject: [NO] people

Yesterday there was a Geezer Power item on the Dutch news: 80 year old man
thwarts bank robbery! The robber had entered the bank with a gun and told
everyone to lie down. The geezer, who stood nearby, did not hesitate for a
moment, jumped at the robber and pushed the gun upwards. The robber had not
anticipated this reaction and fled.

By the way, I will be 39 soon.

Greetings,

Sjaak

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: Kyle Barger <kbarger@NAVPOINT.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:04:38 -0400
Subject: 2" paper:  folds that work well (and instruction trivia)

I recently bought a pack of 2" paper as an impulse purchase.  I've never
worked with anything smaller than 4" paper and I'm wondering what are good
folds to try with paper this size.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:38:17 +0200
Subject: Re: Special Papers (short)

Michael Janssen-Gibson wrote:
>To
>reiterate some of Doug's points, the lesson may have been a mismatch of
>paper and model, or simply that I should have stopped folding at step 37
>for a break when it started to get frustrating. The number of times I have
>neared the end of a model, just to rush the last steps and ruin the
>outcome, are enough to point out that I have difficulty learning lessons!

I just hate putting a model away to finish it later! That's like eating
only half the cake, drinking only half the beer (or wine, if you're
Lang), or spending only half of the money in your pockets.

Matthias





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:50:06 +1000
Subject: Re: Special Papers (long)

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Doug Philips wrote:

> How else will you know how it folds when it comes time to do that
> "extra special project?"

> every paper has different handling requirements, and that means
> that sometimes you have to learn those before you'll get a nice
> result.

Ah, such wise words Doug. I have found (and still do find) the
experimentation with various paper types/models to be one of the most
challenging lessons to learn in origami. This includes taking that "risk"
with a good piece of paper on a model with no idea of the outcome.
Although the disappointment one might feel when the finished result does
not live up to expectations is not helpful at the time, I don't think I
have ever "wasted" a piece of paper - I have always learnt something. To
reiterate some of Doug's points, the lesson may have been a mismatch of
paper and model, or simply that I should have stopped folding at step 37
for a break when it started to get frustrating. The number of times I have
neared the end of a model, just to rush the last steps and ruin the
outcome, are enough to point out that I have difficulty learning lessons!

Just to add an example to the above points, I once bought a roll of white
paper, marketed as "moon" paper for use with traditional chinese painting.
It had a cloudy look when held up to the light. Anyway, the first model I
folded was Lang's mouse from Origami Zoo. When I finished the model I
decided to try an experiment of paper-clipping the model, weting it with
an atomiser, and drying it with a hairdryer. The result was fantasic, and
this model still sits proudly on my bookcase. I have since tried to
replicate this effect with other models, such as Lang's rabbit, Brill's
elephant, a Fuse Mask, each being as unsuccessful as the last. I'm not
sure if this a result of folds in these models not being suited to the
paper, or I need to properly "wetfold", or there was some particular
"locking" used on the initial mouse model, or any of a hundred different
factors. Basically the paper is very fickle, but I still like the result
of the mouse enough to want to keep on trying to use it.

I remember another list member's signature as being "Dare to Fold". It is
something I constantly remind myself when umming and ahhhing over special
paper.

regards
Michael





From: Kurt Reimer <gkr@VOICENET.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:35:26 -0400
Subject: Re: pet peeve

>
> Hi,
> I was just curious of people's pet peeve of origami.  I personally can
> not stand it when the paper rips in middle of some model.
>
        MY pet peeve is when you're folding a complicated model from
diagrams, and step 55 or so of 70 or 80 reads something like "repeat
steps 20-54 behind", or "repeat steps 20-54 on the other three
corners".

        So easy to say, so hard to do...

Yours,

Kurt Reimer
gkr@voicenet.com





From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:38:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Robert Lang

>It's a pitty, this program can be downloaded for free, but it is for
>Macintosh only. I wonder if there will be one available for my PC one nice
>day, too.

There is a company called ARDI developing a Mac emulator for PC. I contacted
them about Treemaker, and actually I got them to contact Robert Lang.
Treemaker doesn't run yet on their emulator, but they are confident that it
will in some near future. Their main developer is a folder as well, so he
was quite enthusiastic aobut getting Treemaker to run on PC.

I was hoping to have that emulator running by the time of the Swedish
Convention..let's see what happens.

Ariel/





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@WORLD.STD.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

>At 03:51 PM 7/25/99 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Is Jeannine's business card cube the same as what we know as Paul Jackson's
>>Cube - but without the need to fold both raw edges of the square to the
>>centre to give it stiffness?
>
>i'm not sure if i know this cube ... where is it diagrammed?

The "business card cube" is a very old model.  Bill Dollar gave me a copy
of a page from a book of mathematical amusements describing it.  The book
was a Dover reprint of something with an original publication date around
the turn of the (last) century.  It described making them with "visiting
cards".  Sometimes people refer to it as "my" cube because I have done a
lot to popularize the model, but I learned it from this list about 5 years
ago, from a posting by Martin van Gelder.

>>If I'm correct this is the same shape as Dave Brill's Waterbombic
>>Dodecahedron as diagrammed and pictured on page 97 of Brilliant Origami -
>>but produced by a very different method. (Incidentally there's a related
>>sort of shape in my Mathematical Origami called the Decorative
>>Rhombidodecahedron in which the missing areas bit deeper into the central
>>cube.)
>
>yes, i remember that model (the waterbombic dodeca)...it's the same shape

Just last week, I was looking at Dave Mitchell's Mathematical Origami and
thinking that you could make a decorated rhombic dodecahedron from business
cards in much the way that Alasdair describes.  But I had no idea it would
look so good, with half of each rhombic face missing.

By the way, just make two of the module that Alasdair describes and lock
them together back to back, rotated 90 degrees from each other.  Cool.

>p.s. where does one get more business cards? jeannine? anyone?

One way to get cards is ask your friends for their old ones.  Another wasy
is to ask a printer (nicely) for any misprint runs he/she may have in the
recycle bin.  (Be sure to make a nice model as a gift for the printer.)  If
all else fails, buy card stock and cut it yourself, or pay the printer to
do it.

By the way, the instructions Alasdair gave for his model may not work for
non-American cards.  Cards in north America are pretty standardly cut to 2
by 3.5 inches.  The steps Alasdair describes produce a "water-bombed"
rectangle that measures 2 by 2.75 inches.  Ideally, this rectangle should
be a silver rectangle, that is, in the ratio of sqrt(2):1, which would mean
2 by 2.828 inches.  If you're starting with a different size card, you'll
have to work out a method of getting the right ratio.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:45:20 -0400
Subject: Elephanthide (Re: Robert Lang)

At 10:46 AM 7/27/99 +0200, you wrote:

>Robert recommended Elephant paper, here comes my question: is it acid free?

Well, it did not burn the skin off my hands... ;-)

Honestly, I do not know for sure (the acid-freeness of the paper that is,
not the skin on my hands!).

Happy folding!

Peter Budai

P.S. I like to fold Elephanthide!





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:45:24 -0400
Subject: TreeMaker (Re: Robert Lang)

Hi,

>ARDI ... I contacted them about Treemaker, and actually I got them to
contact >Robert Lang. Treemaker doesn't run yet on their emulator, but they
are >confident that it will in some near future.

Ah, thanks a million, Ariel!

>Their main developer is a folder as well,

Gee! "The world is small!"

>so he was quite enthusiastic aobut getting Treemaker to run on PC.

This is great! That means he won't give up too early.

Happy folding,

Peter Budai





From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@WORLD.STD.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:07:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Orbs

Rosalinda,

I am forwarding your mail and my reply to the origami list, since there may
be other people on the list who are interested, and it saves time to answer
the question once.

>Jennie,
>
>I found your old post on the archives from 1997 regarding Orbs. I made the 6
>unit Orb and would like to make a 30 unit one with 5 piece circles surround
>by 3 piece circles, vice versa.  Could you give me any hints on adjusting the
>module for this particular solid?  Any advice you can give will be
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>Rosalinda
>
>P.S.  Were the orbs you had displayed at the OUSA convention the same ones
>that you posted diagrams for in 97 to the mailing list?  The reason I ask is
>because the Orbs I saw in the convention pictures look like no flaps from the
>adjoining modules appear to stick over the top of a particular module leaving
>the top one color.  The one I made from the archives, had two flaps sticking
>over the top of each module.
>
>Thanks for your time.

There are two different ways to make the six piece orb, one starting from
squares, the other from rectangles.  The diagrams that I posted to this
list described only the square version.  The rectangular version
generalizes to more complex orbs with more pieces and more dimples.  Here's
how it works.

For the six pices rectangular orb, start with a business card or any
rectangle whose length is more than 1.5 times the width and less than 1.9
times the width.  (These numbers are approximate and based on the physical
properties of the paper rather than any inherent mathematical requirement.)
"Draw" a square centered in the middle of the rectangle whose side is the
width of the rectangle.  With a compass, score four circles on the card so
that each is centered at a corner of the square and whose radius is half
the width.  This will cause the circles to just touch their neighbor
circles on each side.  (Mathematicians call this "osculating", a fancy word
for kissing.)  Curl the semi-circles into cones using the scored creases.
Assemble these in more or less the same way as for the square-based orb,
but note that each unit has just two flaps (not four) and that all flaps
are tucked to the inside of the model.

To generalize this procedure, instead of drawing a square in the center of
the rectangle, draw a rhombus.  (Two of its edges lie on the long edges of
the rectangle.)  Then score four circles centered at the corners of the
rhombus and just touching each of their neighbors.  If you are making the
twelve piece model with fourteen dimples, the diagonals of the rhombus
should be in the ratio sqrt(2):1 and the radii of the circles should also
be in that ratio, with the small circles centered at the vertices where the
angle is obtuse and the large circles centered at the acute vertices.  For
the thirty piece model with thirty two dimples, the diagonals and radii
should be in the "golden" ratio.  Assemble in much the same as for the
other orbs with all flaps inside.  The small radius dimples will be made up
of three obtuse angle partial cones, and the large radius dimples will be
made of four or five, depending on whether you are making the twelve or
thirty unit version.

While I do have methods of constructing these proportions, I don't have
time to describe them here.  If you can't figure it out any other way, use
a calculator and a ruler.

Please note that these propotions may not be the only ones that will work.
I am still investigating the mathematics of this model.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





From: Bob Stack <Noobob@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:49:15 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Headin' East...

While we are in the Amherst-Northhampton area, Conway, we are leaving the
area for a month.  If you plan to be here another time let us know!!

                                Bob Stack





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:56:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Sea Shell tricks...

david whitbeck indited:

> If you wetfold the model there are no problems with the sink and unsink.  I
> find that if I do the sink, the top will look tidier (for lack of a better
> word) but after carefully examining some real shells I saw that if you
> don't do the sink then form the top it will look more realistic.  I can

Interesting. How would you characterize the difference? I find that with
precreasing, the sink/squash and un-sink/un-squash has become completely
superfluous. I'm not sure though, which part you are referring to as the top.
Do you mean the spiral part or the "openings" part?

> tell from experience that if you fold the model enough times the sink and
> unsink will come easily without causing any stress on the paper.

Perhaps it will not stress the paper, but it will put in extra creases. I
know, you'll claim that with wetfolding you can erase them. I prefer simply to
never put them in at all, but that's my personal preference.

> fold) when the model is drying I clamp the four points (with a couple of
> paperclips) on the bottom of the shell together so that they don't spring
> apart like they'll do if you fold it dry.  I myself don't use anything else
> such as tape or any other exotic devices.

As I recall, the tape was to keep the center of the paper from tearing, to
keep all the flaps from splaying. I find precreasing the lock makes it much
tidier, but still probably not as good as you can get with wet folding.

> ps What's Kawasaki up to now?

Last he published it was roses and a simple unit system, but the math folks on
the list probably know the latest scoop.

-D'gou





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:08:54 -0400
Subject: Tanteidan "Newsletter"

Has anyone outside of Japan received the new magazine that replaced the
Tanteidan Newsletter? I saw copies that had been hand carried to New York, but
I am interested to find out if any other subscribers have received their
copies yet (it would be helpful to know before contacting them directly).

Thanks!
        -D'gou





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:46:09 +0200
Subject: Origami as Art(2)

I'm very interested by the answers I'm getting to my sculptor friend's
question as to why I (or for that matter any folder) prefer to use a
comparatively frail material to make art, rather than the kind of material
he might use.
I'd like to get more answers specifically from the 'experts of life' (a
more 'politically correct' expression I once heard for 'old geezers'!).
And I'd also like to add a couple more questions:

Do you think Origami is art?
Why?

Ain't I awfully curious?

Best regards to everyone,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:40:23 +0800
Subject: Re: (NO) Ronald Koh Dinosaurs...

Chinh Nguyen wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response, Mr. Koh!

Please, people! I'm just plain, ordinary, Ronald. Formality sends a
chill up my spine; feels like the boss looking over my shoulder while
I'm surreptiously peering at origami diagrams ....
>
> Now I wonder if there's any kind soul out there who can help me get my
> bloody hands on a copy of the 1995 OUSA annual, which isn't listed on the
> Source, and I recall some discussion on this list about how it was no
> longer in print...

The ankylosaurus, I'm sure, had nothing to do with it. (There can't be
that many masochists out there!)





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:33:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Sea Shell tricks...

Doug Philips wrote:
>Interesting. How would you characterize the difference? I find that with
>precreasing, the sink/squash and un-sink/un-squash has become completely
>superfluous. I'm not sure though, which part you are referring to as the top.
>Do you mean the spiral part or the "openings" part?

The spiral part.  If you do the sink the result is flatter but more
intricate due to the sharpness of the creases.  Of course I twist "up" the
point at the end to add 3dness to it.

>
>> tell from experience that if you fold the model enough times the sink and
>> unsink will come easily without causing any stress on the paper.
>
>Perhaps it will not stress the paper, but it will put in extra creases. I
>know, you'll claim that with wetfolding you can erase them. I prefer simply to
>never put them in at all, but that's my personal preference.

I agree here, those extra creases certainly bring down the quality of the shell.

>As I recall, the tape was to keep the center of the paper from tearing, to
>keep all the flaps from splaying. I find precreasing the lock makes it much
>tidier, but still probably not as good as you can get with wet folding.

Tape!?  Yuck!!!  I'm suddenly transported to the Red Green Show with the
handyman's secret weapon: duct tape.

>Last he published it was roses and a simple unit system, but the math folks on
>the list probably know the latest scoop.
>
>-D'gou

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:34:19 -0700
Subject: Re: 2" paper:  folds that work well (and instruction trivia)

>I recently bought a pack of 2" paper as an impulse purchase.  I've never
>worked with anything smaller than 4" paper and I'm wondering what are good
>folds to try with paper this size.

I've done the same on impulse, but haven't used it yet.  Did you get one of
those 275 sheet packages for a dollar or two?  Tell me what you find it's
good for.  I'm guessing modular origami if the unit is simple.  Like
polyhedra.  Maybe you could make those big modular animals.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:35:48 -0700
Subject: Re: pet peeve

>>
>> Hi,
>> I was just curious of people's pet peeve of origami.  I personally can
>> not stand it when the paper rips in middle of some model.
>>
>        MY pet peeve is when you're folding a complicated model from
>diagrams, and step 55 or so of 70 or 80 reads something like "repeat
>steps 20-54 behind", or "repeat steps 20-54 on the other three
>corners".
>
>        So easy to say, so hard to do...
>
>Yours,
>
>Kurt Reimer
>gkr@voicenet.com

Like Montroll's American Lobster: step 82: repeat steps 44-81 on the right
side, then cut off your hands; you will no longer need them.

David





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:38:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Elephanthide (Re: Robert Lang)

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>

> At 10:46 AM 7/27/99 +0200, you wrote:
>
>
> >Robert recommended Elephant paper, here comes my question: is it acid
free?
>
> Well, it did not burn the skin off my hands... ;-)
>

Yeah, dude, just don't use the brown stuff!
All the best - c!!





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:00:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Durability (Was Origami as Art)

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>

> I actually like the idea that what I make won't stay around to clutter the
> world forever.  I regularly purge my collection to keep it limited to a
> small display area and a couple boxes.  This keeps origami from taking
over
> more than three rooms of the house, and keeps my display fresh to my eyes,
> so I don't begin taking it for granted.
>
> Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
> "In paradox truth."

Sort of similar feelings here: I have NO origami around the house. If I want
to see some, I fold it, then give it away and wait until the urge arises
again. I'm wondering how much of what I've given has been kept, though... It
would be nice to think that some part of the piece has been kept, either as
an anecdote, for sentimentality, or to be taken apart to learn the secrets
of how it was done. On one hand, I hate to see paper wasted, on the other--I
hate to see it lying around. 'Fold it fast and hand it off' has become my
motto when dealing with origami paper. On the idea of permanence---I've seen
so many paintings, photos, sculptures, etc... that they no longer have to
exist in reality for me. As for my own projects, once I've enjoyed them
enough that I can remember them, I can let them go. Same way I approach
museums; you can't keep running back to the impressionist section, better to
let that Pizarro burn into your memory until you can't distinguish yourself
from the painter who saw it and began to render it on canvas. All the best -
c!!





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:33:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 2" paper

Kyle Barger inquired about good uses for two-inch paper.  Some of the
simpler modular boxes by Fuse might be good.  Or any simple modular that
doesn't require lots of creasing--you know, like Valerie Vann's Magic
Rose Cube. . . .

Sonia Wu





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:45:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Tanteidan "Newsletter"

Hi D'gou-

I took a Makoto Yamaguchi class at the convention and renewed my Tanteidan
membership there. He gave me a copy of the new newsletter. They have changed
the name from Origami Tanteidan to Japan Origami Academic Society- not as
catchy but there you are.
The newsletter is much slicker, with some color pages, more diagrams, and
longer articles (unfortunately no closed captions for the Japanese-reading
impaired).There is an article by Robert J. Lang on folding proportions
which, if translated, would make a great addition to the next issue of
_The_Paper_  (subtle or what?).
On re-reading your post it occurs to me that you already know all of this
and were merely wondering if anyone had received the newsletter in the mail.
Well, maybe somebody will find it interesting anyway.
As for your question, I have no idea.

Scott





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:45:56 -0700
Subject: Toilet Paper End Folding or

<snip>
> The Paper is to go over the roll otherwise the maid will not
> be able to put
> in the diaper fold on the end of the roll to give it that
> nifty triangle.
> Which leads to the next question what other folds can you do
> on the end of
> the roll as present for the next patron?
>
Is this the next great step forward in Origami? TPEnd Folding????

How about folding the end of the paper towels that stick out of the
dispenser too?

No, wait, I've got it, Commodogami!

...

Howard





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:58:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 2" paper:  folds that work well (and instruction trivia)

> good for.  I'm guessing modular origami if the unit is simple.  Like
> polyhedra.  Maybe you could make those big modular animals.

Should be good for Kawasaki's Rose (OftC) if you're up for it. ;-)

Kawasaki's new modular system.

Simplified Sonobe's (in Unit Origami by Tomoko Fuse).

Simple flowers.

Yoshizawa's butterly (in Classic Origami by Paul Jackson, and other places).

...

-D'gou
