




From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:31:44 -0700 (
Subject: Hooking Mom on Origami

I've taught seniors six times in the Washington, DC area and six times in
Hawaii.  Stephen Weiss' Astrotube from Wings & Things, the magazine cover
box folded from 8.5x11 paper and a frog folded from 3x5 index cards are
always popular models.

At one adult day care in Virginia there was a woman born in Germany who had
no one to speak German with.  She was so excited folding the frog that she
spoke German to all of us - folding it must have reminded her of something
she had folded as a child.  I visited the center twice in six months and was
pleased that some of the seniors remembered my first visit in February when
we had folded hearts.

In Honolulu I was asked to come up with something useful made of origami to
give as presents to long term geriatric patients.  They have very little
storage space, many can no longer read, don't write letters, etc.  In one of
my classes, one of the students had folded Humi Huzita's Portfolio the long
way so it became a long, skinny case instead of a business card holder.  I
decided it would make a comb holder.  When I priced combs at retail they
were about $1 each.  So, I talked my way into a wholesale beauticians'
supply store and they sold me the three dozen combs I needed at .30 each.

Many of the seniors in Hawaii were fascinated with the Flapping Birds I
received from members of the origami-list in memory of my father.  I had
separate piles of cranes and flapping birds to give out at a senior center:
all of the flapping birds found new homes.  When I taught the flapping bird
I had a number of bird bases premade.  It was easy to show the steps
necessary to make the wings, head, and tail.

I had two visits last year to a senior center in Washington, DC for after
lunch folding.  They were two of the most difficult sessions I've ever
taught.  While the seniors were interested in seeing the models on display I
don't they they were really interested in folding.  We struggled thru
folding the masu box.  I declined an invitation for a third session.

I would suggest folding small items that could be placed on serving trays or
at place settings in your mom's center, Martin.

My favorite honorarium was a blueberry creme pie I received from seniors in
Wahiawa, Hawaii (near Schofield Barracks)!

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:42:03 -0700 (
Subject: Hooking Mom on Origami

I forgot to mention another senior teaching experience I had last year in
Maryland.  It was at the senior center where Harry Weiss lives.  I taught
the sailboat which is Origami USA's logo. I mentioned that it could be used
as a place card.  Well, one of the seniors stayed after class to make ten
for a table she was hosting at a Chinese New Year's banquet.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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From: Donna & Robin <robin@RGLYNN.KEME.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:21:00 +0100
Subject: A landmark in stupidity

I've just dug a great big hole for myself! I mailed the list offering to
send out my Eiffel tower diagrams, and in the space of 1 day I have had 33
requests. The pdf file is 260kb which means I would need to send 8.4
megabytes of data through my less than state-of-the-art modem. That will
take hours! And here in the UK we have to pay for our internet connection
time. If I can't sort out an alternative I will just have to do it anyway.
In the mean time, as Joseph Wu has previously been kind enough to put my
diagrams on his web site, I will initially send the file to just him.

Another reason to do this is that the diagrams are untested, and it may be
wise to have them checked out before everyone spots the same mistake and
asks for 8.4 megabytes of corrected diagram. This happened once before when
I accidentally attached an old and incomplete diagram to about a dozen list
members. Strangely some people still responded favourably (perhaps they were
just being nice).

I know that some people said they cannot read pdf files but is easy enough
to get Adobe Acrobat reader at
http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

On a similar subject I used to offer my diagrams as a means of checking them
for errors and ideas for improvement, but I have abandoned this approach as
the response rate is about one in ten. So have stopped kidding myself that
most people will offer anything in return for the diagrams. Sorry that's a
bit negative but that's the way it is. Though I would like to say a big
thank you to those who did respond, the feedback really did help.

Of course if anyone gets to see the Eiffel Tower diagrams on Joseph's web
site and has anything to say (good or bad) I would love to hear.





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGelder@KVI.nl>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:02:47 +0200
Subject: PROP the Origami detective (part 2)

PROP the Origami detective (part 2)

The next test faced her with another type of problem.

The police building where she would live was at least 10 stories high.
And she would be at the 10th story.

The tester took her outside the building on the surrounding sports
fields and
handed her a rope with a noose and said:

Imagine, you are in your room up at the 10th story and a fire strikes.
There
is a hook just underneath the window, you attach the loop to that hook
and put
the rope out of the window.
 You climb down the rope and stand on the ground.  But when the fire is
over
you have to climb up the rope again.
 The question is: is this rope long enough.

She had no measuring stick and didn't know how high the 10th story was.
And
well, she had to know the difference in length/height accurate within a
meter.
That was enough: if the rope was a bit short, she could jump to get the
end.

It was not long before she realized how to pass this test.  She took a
sheet of
Origami paper and ...

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, how did she manage? Try and solve this puzzle.

But please don't yell the solution over the list.  Everyone should have
some
time to think this over.

You may send me your solution via private email: vgelder@kvi.nl

Next month (maybe some later) I'll put my solution in the archives.  And
also
give the next part of this story.

This text and the previous solution(s) are also published in the
archives.
Have a look at:

   http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/prop/index.htm

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Jessica Schulman <JS2301@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:28:36 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Folding plastic bags

could somebody rerun folding plastic bags.
i must have missed it.
js2316@banet.net
jstech@banet.net
js2301@aol.com





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:01:15 +0200
Subject: Re: A landmark in stupidity

On Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 08:21:00PM +0100, Donna & Robin wrote:
> I mailed the list offering to send out my Eiffel tower diagrams, and
> in the space of 1 day I have had 33 requests. The pdf file is 260kb
> which means I would need to send 8.4 megabytes of data through my less
> than state-of-the-art modem.

Not necessarily. If you specify multiple recipients for an e-mail
(several names in the To: or Cc: header fields), the body of the email
is transmitted only once for all the recipients. (Unless your mailreader
is *really* stupid, which I hope it isn't.)

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:26:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Diagramming 3-D models

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Ronald --   I do crayon rubbings of flat models and then trace the
rubbings in pen and ink.  For 3-D models, I hold a thin, stiff sheet of
clear acrylic over the model at the angle I want to show.  I close one eye,
hold the acrylic, the model, the marker and myself very steady and trace the
model on the acrylic with a dark-colored china marker (blue, purple or black
.)  With a little practice, you can get a good, accurate drawing which you
can then re-trace onto paper.  The china marker can be rubbed off when
you're done with it and the acrylic used again and again.  I used this
method tonight for my new running ostrich model.  Hope this helps.     Anita

P.S. -- for more details on the rubbings method, write to me.





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:05:55 -0400
Subject: URL for my homepage

At 09:56 AM 7/23/99 -0700, you wrote:

>>However it is not in the final stage of development, but regarding to some
>>people's comments it's not so bad, so I'd like to announce my hompage,
>>which I have started to build this spring and the last update was in the
>>beginning of June.
>
>How about the URL?

Oh, yes! I wrote everything but the URL. Aren't I silly?

The URL is: http://members.tripod.com/~PeterBudai/Index.htm

Peter Budai





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:15:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Diagramming 3D models

At 10:51 PM 7/23/99 +0800, <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG> wrote:

>anybody figured an easy way to illustrate 3D models? some piece of
>equipment, maybe? I am considering investing in a digital camera or 3D
>scanner to capture the image, port it over to Freehand, and trace it.

I have been using a flatbed scanner, and then trace the results in
Freehand. This ceretainly works, but using a flatbed with 3-d models is a
real pain. I do not care much about the image quality, as I will be tracing
it anyway, but positioning and making sure there is enough light can often
be a challenge. I would imagine a digital camera would be better. If anyone
knows how to scan 3-d things well with a flatnbed, I could use all the help
there is.

Marc





From: "J. Blackman" <blackman@XS4ALL.NL>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:31:36 +0200
Subject: Re: memorizing folds - a new twist

At 09:01 AM 7/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Has anyone ever done this, what I am about to confess. . . Back when I was a
>starving student, even origami supplies were an expensive luxury by the end
>of the school year. I saw an origami book in the store I would have loved to
>have bought, but simply could not afford. I was captivated by one model in
>particular. So I stood there and STARED at the diagrams and envisioned the
>folding sequence in my head. Then I rushed out of the store and grabbed a
>piece of paper and folded this model!
>
>I "stole" an origami model!
>
Yes, Jennifer, you are not alone. I did the same thing in similar
circumstances.

An de Vries





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:05:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami/Memorizing

Paul Jackson wrote about a method of teaching which is essentially to have
each person create their own library of step folded models, one model for each
step; the goal being memorizing the model through repetition.rather than
having the step models which are just a (IMHO:) happy side-effect.

+Has anybody else used this method?

I am very curious to know how the "class" was advertised/billed/sold as far as
setting the expectations of the participants. I ask because I would think that
the patience level of the audience could be a big factor in success for that
style of class.

The closest I've come to that kind of thing is that at our local club
meetings children's class we often fold a model two or three times in a
row... First in "practice" paper and then a "final" model in "good"
paper (kami or sometimes something even nicer).

I really like the method you've described, because I think having the
step folded models to refer back to at a later date makes for a great
"crutch" to fill in any of the missing memory pieces which might
develop.

-D'gou





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:25:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Diagramming 3D models

Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG> sez

>anybody figured an easy way to illustrate 3D models? some piece of
>equipment, maybe? I am considering investing in a digital camera or 3D
>scanner to capture the image, port it over to Freehand, and trace it.

I think you've reached the only practical conclusion, but even so,
tracing tends to add points in places where you don't want them, so you
still have an awful lot of tidying up to do before any further editing
can be done.

In answer to your first question, I don't think there is an easy way...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:31:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami/Memorizing

Maybe try this method of teaching:

Some years ago I ran a couple of origami classes for elderly women, most of
whom were very forgetful and couldn't remember even simple models to fold
again later.  I devised a method to help them memorise a model, which
worked well.

So, to teach -- say -- the frog base Lily:
Teach how to fold a sheet of paper to the first 'step', the 'Union Jack'
crease pattern. Encourage the class to re-fold this step with a second
sheet of paper, with as little help from you as possible.  Then, teach the
second step with this second sheet, perhaps collapsing the paper to the
preliminary base.  With a third sheet, the class folds through steps 1 & 2,
then is taught step 3, perhaps one squashed flap.  This continues through
maybe 20 steps, until a completed lily is folded with the 20th sheet.  This
can take a couple of hours, but the benefit is that the constant repetition
fixes the model in a person's memory, and folding through the steps almost
always without help from the teacher boosts confidence.  For clarity, the
folded steps are numbered and lined up in a row.  The students should be
encouraged to look at and handle the steps to 'unstick' themselves if they
forget how to progress, rather than have you sort them out.

I taught the Lily by this method in one 2-hour class, then the following
day in the next class sat back and relaxed as the ladies made several
flowers each, resulting in a display they were immensely proud of.  I later
heard that they continued making flowers for some days afterwards.  I've
used this method several times since -- not just with the elderly -- and
have had similar success.

Has anybody else used this method?

Paul Jackson





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:38:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Sea Shell tricks...

If you wetfold the model there are no problems with the sink and unsink.  I
find that if I do the sink, the top will look tidier (for lack of a better
word) but after carefully examining some real shells I saw that if you
don't do the sink then form the top it will look more realistic.  I can
tell from experience that if you fold the model enough times the sink and
unsink will come easily without causing any stress on the paper.

Anyhow wetfolding works best for me.  Doing that unsink (when wetfolding)
so easily is enough to make anyone giggle (okay so I take joy in a good
fold) when the model is drying I clamp the four points (with a couple of
paperclips) on the bottom of the shell together so that they don't spring
apart like they'll do if you fold it dry.  I myself don't use anything else
such as tape or any other exotic devices.

For those of you that said wait a minute I thought you don't like using
anything but hands!  I say that's only if I'm not wetfolding!

David

ps What's Kawasaki up to now?





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:40:15 -0400 (
Subject: Eiffel Tower

Nice looking diagrams, but a few steps are unclear. In step 4, are those
folds on existing creases -- or are we splitting another section in thirds?
In steps 5 and 6, are those existing creases, or are we splitting sections
again?

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From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:40:55 -0700
Subject: [NO] dinosaur question

I've been folding from origami fantasy and I stumbled on to something: the
model I thought was a stegosaurus was not.  To any who know the answer to
this question: what is the difference between a stegosaurus and a
sutegosaurus?

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:41:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

Isn't there a person who folds from metal?  I saw his URL and was impressed
because the folds looked great!  His models will surely last (if they don't
rust!)

David
>A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
>an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with paper,
>a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
>better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
>sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
>posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).
>
>I was floored by the question, since I had never thought about it. I
>suppose my main reason is availability, and it's true I love the material
>paper (think of its different textures, thicknesses, colours, smells...),
>but I can't really say much more than that.
>
>I'd like to know what other folders think about the question. Can anyone
>answer it better than me?
>
>
>Julia Palffy
>Zug, Switzerland
>jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:53:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami/Memorizing

At this years NY convention, Susan Johnson taught a Monday course,
"Step-Fold Teaching for Self Instruction". This was one of the best
prepared sessions i have ever attended and it is nice to be able to find a
suitable place to praise Susan.   At the place of each student were 10
pieces of kami illustrative of every  step of the lily flower. To finish
the lily model she included colored pipe cleaners for stems.  In addition
each student in this session was given  a Fuse modular box filled with
candy, finished lily flowers, and some pre-folded bags (which could be
massaged into vases).

Susan's idea of the step folds was exactly the same as yours. Her
innovation-at least to me-was to prepare finished models such as the Fuse
square modular box for each student to take apart and then put together as
a puzzle.  If we were literary types, we would call this origami
deconstruction. Using  an existing model allows for success at the very
beginning of the folding adventure andperhaps even encourages timid or
uncertain folders. The candy sweetened any potential problems.





From: John Sutter <sutterj@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:04:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

Dear Julia,

Paper, especially handmade paper, depending on how it's preserved
can have long lasting durability, if not permanence.  I rather like
the idea of it's " mutability " and that it could be recycled.  It's
got more of a range of possibilities than other materials!  I also
like its availabilty.  Good question, Julia.  I like its disposable
quality too as opposed to something PERMANENT.

Ria Sutter ^   ^





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:06:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>

> A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
> an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with
paper,
> a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
> better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
> sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
> posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).
>

When I was still cheffing, I used to do lots of ice sculpture. We celebrate
the ephemeral quality of the art. In fact: when the banquet was over, but
the sculptures not yet melted, we would push them over to help the process
along. This was not out of insensitivity to the scuplture, rather, it was
out of respect. The model, once past its glory, is only looking sad and wan
as it melts, no matter how much people don't want it to, no freezer can
retain the moment of the sculpture... :-)  All the best - c!!!
    P.S.--many of my sculptures were formed into origami shapes. I carved
origami cranes and frogs. Since you cant fold ice, though, you can really
call them that.





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:21:49 -0400
Subject: Sea Shell tricks...

Having been smitten by the Kawasaki's Sea Shell from Origami for the
Connoisseur (also available in El Mundo Nuevo and A Arte Dos Mestres De
Origami, at the least), I've folded not quite a dozen of them so far.
Thanks again to david for mentioning this model!

I went looking through the recent archives for info/tips on this model,
and found mention of wetfolding it and using tape on the reverse side
to keep the center of the paper from tearing.

Having folded this model several times, I found that one needn't
even do the sink/squash and corresponding "unsink." Avoiding those
steps keeps the model neater and less stressed. I've also started doing
more precreasing to make the 3D-ification go more easily, and that all
seems to help, esp. in avoiding making a crease on the flaps that will
get pulled out at the end.

If anyone has discovered additional tips for folding this model, please
post 'em!

-D'gou





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:43:22 -0400
Subject: Re: SV:      Re: My homepage...

Dino Andreozzi wrote:

>Joesph Wu wrote:
>> How about the URL?
>
>Here it is Joseph:
>http://members.tripod.com/~PeterBudai/Origami.htm

Thank you, Dino!

(BTW, don't be puzzled that Dino and me gave slightly different URL-s:
the URL I gave is the "home"page, the one Dino did is the "orihome"page,
but BOTH should work)

Happy folding!

Peter Budai





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:04:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] dinosaur question

Sutegosaurus is the one found in Japan.

All the besut!

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 1:40 PM
Subject: [NO] dinosaur question

>I've been folding from origami fantasy and I stumbled on to something: the
>model I thought was a stegosaurus was not.  To any who know the answer to
>this question: what is the difference between a stegosaurus and a
>sutegosaurus?
>
>David





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:47:38 +0200
Subject: Origami as Art

A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with paper,
a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).

I was floored by the question, since I had never thought about it. I
suppose my main reason is availability, and it's true I love the material
paper (think of its different textures, thicknesses, colours, smells...),
but I can't really say much more than that.

I'd like to know what other folders think about the question. Can anyone
answer it better than me?

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:45:17 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: Folding Trivia

Thok did not wanted this to be known,
but I the great and Glorious Kalmon
thought that everybody should know that Thok 99
many years long tears ago when he was still able
to fool around making TV shows for children on the Danish TV.
With a little help from a friend, he actually showed
that he could fold a piece of paper 9 times
but of course he had to sit on the last one just to bend it.
He did it on a lawn with a square piece of paper 10 x 10 meters
(that is 30 x 30 feet) glued together for that special purpose.
The sequence was shot so that
 the running back and forth with the edges of the paper
was speeded up for the whole process
to take only about 60 seconds.
That was sometime in the 60'es

That should not keep you from looking at
www.thok.dk
or writing to
thok@thok.dk

Greetings from Kalmon van Balticum.





From: Sandra P Hoffman <ghidra@CONSCOOP.OTTAWA.ON.CA>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:12:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Julia Palffy wrote:

> A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
> an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with paper,
> a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
> better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
> sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
> posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).

I like origami and working with paper because it is ephemeral, and will
not long outlast me if at all. I have no desire for immortality, nor to
imprint my individual stamp on eternity. My great passion in life is
gardening. It to is ephemeral. I find something intensely beautiful in
that which cannot last, and does not cling to time.

>
> I was floored by the question, since I had never thought about it. I
> suppose my main reason is availability, and it's true I love the material
> paper (think of its different textures, thicknesses, colours, smells...),
> but I can't really say much more than that.
>
> I'd like to know what other folders think about the question. Can anyone
> answer it better than me?
>

In more practical terms though, I live in a small 3 bedroom apartment with
a husband, 2 children, a dog and a rabbit. My origami habit takes up only
5 letter trays stacked on a shelf and a bit of table space. I also find
great pleasure in going out looking for paper and books. I have always
loved the feel and look of papers and have always fiddled, folded, twisted
and scrunched any loose paper that came to hand. Origami gives me
permission to play with paper.

sph

Sandra P. Hoffman ghidra@conscoop.ottawa.on.ca
http://www.flora.org/sandra/
----------------------------
The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due,
not a garden swollen to a realm;
his own hands to use,
not the hands of others to command. --Sam Gamgee





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:11:48 -0400
Subject: Metal Folding

A few months ago, there was a discussion on the list about the possibility
of folding sheet metal.  It intrigued me, so I've been experimenting for
the last month or so.  Some observations, for anyone who may want to try:

1.  Modulars work really well.  I just finished making Tom Hull's compound
of five tetrahedra out of steel and brass (.001" x 1" x 3" sheets).  It's
quite beautiful, and wasn't too tricky to work with. (Though it took me
about 3 hours, as opposed to the usual 1 hour if I fold from paper).
Non-modular folds are tricky, as they tend to incorporate more creasing and
un-creasing at points, which causes the metal to become brittle.

2.  Thinner is better.  I work with .001" thick metal, which is about the
same thickness as paper.  If you try to use anything much thicker, you
introduce too much stress along folds.

3.  Watch out for edges!  (This goes without saying.)  Especially, when
you're running your finger along a fold to put in a crease, it's very easy
to remove several layers of skin on a nearby exposed edge.

4.  Uncreasing is difficult.  I use the "hilt" of a pair of scissors to
flatten creases.

If anyone has any other questions, feel free to write.

Stephen Canon
---------------------------
Math, Linguistics and Music
Brown University
Providence RI





From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:13:02 -0400
Subject: Grasshopper Diagrams?

Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?

Thanks,
Stephen Canon





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:36:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Metal Folding

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>

> A few months ago, there was a discussion on the list about the possibility
> of folding sheet metal
>
> 2.  Thinner is better.  I work with .001" thick metal, which is about the
> same thickness as paper.  If you try to use anything much thicker, you
> introduce too much stress along folds.
>

I remember sometime back that some one was doing origami jewelry--I wonder
if they meant metal or paper... seems like the small thin stuff would be
perfect for that. I know that there was some mention of copper foil folding
about the same time, a thread that I never took full advantage of (Drat!!!)
but was wondering who had thrown out the general metal-origami challenge (my
mind is shot). I've been thinking of trying copper for some small,
utilitarian designs. Not quite furniture, but, say, a metal crane for a
chess-board table (small). Did a few out of aluminum, but it was
unforgiving, and if one could elicit a result that was not completely
tattered in the center-back, one was doing well. Don't try big steel unless
you are game for self-mutilation and worse!!! Look what it did to me. All
the best - c!!





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:23:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

Wow!!!  Wow!!!!  Wow!!!!!  I so want diagrams for any of those folds
especially the grasshopper, deer, stegosaurus and praying mantis.  You're
folds are just awesome.  Don't give up hope on publishing books of yours
they would be stupid too!  I promise you that as soon as you publish a book
I'll buy it.  Hint: please print in USA.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:25:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

>On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Stephen Canon wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
>
>Offhand, try Robert Lang's Origami Insects or Montroll's Animal Origami
>for the Enthusiast (the earlier, brown one).  Neither are in particular
>difficult (though the folding sequences are long).  Personally, I like the
>aesthetics of Montroll's.

Me too!  I was very pleased when I folded it.  It's one of my favorite
folds even though I folded it once from a library book.  Since grasshoppers
are so thin this is one model I don't mind not being that 3d.  I think the
fold will be a classic to be remembered for awhile.

David





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:37:58 -0700
Subject: [NO] people

Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.

David





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:09:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Stephen Canon wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?

Offhand, try Robert Lang's Origami Insects or Montroll's Animal Origami
for the Enthusiast (the earlier, brown one).  Neither are in particular
difficult (though the folding sequences are long).  Personally, I like the
aesthetics of Montroll's.





From: Melvin Lader <laderfam@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:44:24 -0400
Subject: <no subject>

There is a recent book called "Origami in King Arthur's Court" which has
several castles in it, many of which have eight-sided cubes and pyramids on
top of cubical blocks.  They are done without scissors or glue.  I've tried
some of them and they seem to work well when done with fairly stiff paper.

-- Roberta Cole Lader
laderfam@erols.com





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:07:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

Hi Sy!

A hopping Montroll $ Grasshopper?  Be still my heart!  I can't wait for
John's new moneyfold book.  Has anyone seen John's $ Apatasaurus?  It is
the definitive $ Dino.

Now all we need is for Stephen Weiss to publish a book of his exquisite
moneyfolds.

Dorothy, hoppily folding cranes





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:00:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagramming 3D models

>I have been using a flatbed scanner, and then trace the results in
>Freehand. This ceretainly works, but using a flatbed with 3-d models is a
>real pain. I do not care much about the image quality, as I will be tracing
>it anyway, but positioning and making sure there is enough light can often
>be a challenge. I would imagine a digital camera would be better. If anyone
>knows how to scan 3-d things well with a flatnbed, I could use all the help
>there is.
>
>Marc
The use of a digital camera to take a picture at the desired angle is now
the obvious solution to this prob- lem.  In the past I have been pasting
models on a stiff cardboard with poster putty and placing the cardboard
with the object under it at an angle by holding up one end of the cardboard
above the scanner, using strip of boards..  One can get surprisingly
clear3-D pictures.  James M. Sakoda





From: Paul Jackson <Mpjackson@BTINTERNET.COM>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:49:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami/Memorizing

----------
> From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami/Memorizing
> Date: 24 July 1999 13:05
>

>D'gou asked:

> I am very curious to know how the "class" was advertised/billed/sold as
far as
> setting the expectations of the participants. I ask because I would think
that
> the patience level of the audience could be a big factor in success for
that
> style of class.

The class was at what in England is called a Day Care Centre for the
elderly, where socially isolated elderly people (mostly women) are bussed
by the local Council for a day or two's socialising each week and -- with
luck -- a creative or practical class or two.  My ladies were expecting a
class, so were prepared to sit for a couple of hours folding paper, though
they didn't know in advance what the activity would be.

The expectations of the class members were low -- it seemed that too many
patronising teachers had assumed them to be incapable of anything too
demanding and had shown them activities that were pretty unsatisfying --
but they responded well to my uncompromising approach, so long as I gave
them a kiss and showed them my legs when they did something well!  (The
class was a 'serious' one, but also very sociable and lighthearted -- my
ladies weren't there to learn something, so much as to have a fun day out,
so the more laughs we had, the more successful the class was).

What they achieved astonished and delighted them (the origami, I mean) and
was very satisfying for me (the origami, I mean).

Paul Jackson





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:12:31 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] dinosaur question

In Japanese, writing is syllabic, i.e. each sign represents a single vowel,
or a consonant followed by a vowel, so you can't possibly write two
consonants immediately together like the 'st' of stegosaurus. In their own
script stegosaurus does in fact get spelled : su-te-go-sa-u-ru-su  -- and
when that gets retranscribed back from Japanese into English (by people who
are not native English speakers) -- well, sometimes spelling mistakes
happen. I have noticed this several times in Japanese Origami books.

So your sutegosaurus IS the same thing as a stegosaurus.

Best regards,

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:48:03 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: Origami as Art

>to leave something to
>posterity, a wish for immortality if you like.

> and it's true I love the material paper

I have lived and loved to fold paper,
to create the forms, to pass on the idea,
more than the actual physical models.
I have wanted to leave something
to those who come after me.
That is why I want to put as much as
I have time for on to my web site,
it will be my epitaph in cyberspace.
www.thok.dk
My sons will pay for the upkeep of the site,
instead of paying for the upkeep of my grave.

Thoki Yenn





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:42:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

Could you define 'good'? The simple Grasshopper can attract many many kids.
The one in origami omnibus gives good fun to origami.

Hoppy folding!

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Canon <Stephen_Canon@BROWN.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 5:15 PM
Subject: Grasshopper Diagrams?

>Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
>
>Thanks,
>Stephen Canon





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:47:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

BTW Montroll's $ Grasshopper will hop in his upcoming $ folding book if I am
not mistaken.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

>On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Stephen Canon wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
>
>Offhand, try Robert Lang's Origami Insects or Montroll's Animal Origami
>for the Enthusiast (the earlier, brown one).  Neither are in particular
>difficult (though the folding sequences are long).  Personally, I like the
>aesthetics of Montroll's.





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:08:08 -0400
Subject: Koh's works( was  Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?)

What a wonderful showcase! Please keep us posted.
You don't mind I correct the typo in URL. It should be
http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/g_room/koh/gallery/gallery.htm

Thanks.

Sy Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

>I have a grasshopper design of my own, a photo of which can be found at
>the Oriland Guestroom,
>http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/g_room/koh/gallery/gallery/htm.
>
>Don't know about the 'good' part where expectations go, though.
>
>The Shumakovs, my hosts, have also rearranged the layout of the
>guestroom and added several new pics.
>
>Take a peek; all feedback greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Stephen Canon wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen Canon





From: Pat Ellis <EllisPS@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:13:20 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Turrets?

Please send detailed instructions.  I am anxious to try it.

Pat





From: John Lapko <JLapko@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:20:34 -0400 (
Subject: flannel on paper models

Hi!
For young children I have used young one's flannel (pretty designs) and
pasted it on paper. I used white glue. While still damp, I folded the model.
When the glue dried you had a very stiff model. I tried other cloth material
but stuck with flannel. Try it you may like the results.
John





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:27:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [NO] people

david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez

>Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.

No - most of us are old geezers (42)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:29:04 +0800
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

I have a grasshopper design of my own, a photo of which can be found at
the Oriland Guestroom,
http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/g_room/koh/gallery/gallery/htm.

Don't know about the 'good' part where expectations go, though.

The Shumakovs, my hosts, have also rearranged the layout of the
guestroom and added several new pics.

Take a peek; all feedback greatly appreciated.

Stephen Canon wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen Canon





From: Phil and Amy <sgt.schulz@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:42:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Origami as Art

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Julia Palffy wrote:

> A friend of mine who is a professional sculptor recently asked me why, as
> an artist (I appreciated that compliment!), I preferred to work with paper,
> a frail and ephemeral material, rather than something solid which may
> better survive me, like stone (he told me one of his reasons for being a
> sculptor was the desire to live on after death, to leave something to
> posterity, a wish for immortality if you like).
>
> I was floored by the question, since I had never thought about it. I
> suppose my main reason is availability, and it's true I love the material
> paper (think of its different textures, thicknesses, colours, smells...),
> but I can't really say much more than that.
>
> I'd like to know what other folders think about the question. Can anyone
> answer it better than me?
>

Even though paper is ephemeral, I think the immortality of the art is in
sharing it.  It's much easier (and enjoyable, in some ways) to teach others
how to create a beautiful piece, so that they too can teach it to someone
else.  That's more of leaving something to posterity, rather than
immortality. . .

On a more superficial level, I tend to fidget.  A lot.  I mean really a lot.
My wife can feed me scraps of paper while we're shopping/waiting in
line/visiting relatives and I will happily make tiny little shapes forever,
leaving them behind like Johnny Appleseed.

Phil (and Amy)

sgt.schulz@worldnet.att.net
 Origami Star Wars at:
http://home.att.net/~sgt.schulz/





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:39:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

At 02:13 AM 7/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Please send detailed instructions.  I am anxious to try it.

ok...here goes:

for those unfamiliar with jeannine's business-card cube, i'll explain that
first. my apologies for my crude explanation, i just woke up :>

1. Take two business-cards and lay them face-to-face, rotated 90 degrees
from each other (looks like a red cross symbol). There are generally no
landmarks for this, so try to make the flaps as symmetrical as possible.
2. Fold the flaps on either side in toward the center, along the raw edge
of the card on top; turn over and repeat.
3. You should have a square with two flaps pointing inward on both sides.
Pull the business-cards apart and fold the end flaps at a right angle to
the square face in the middle. That's two units. Keep doing it, you'll need
10 more.

4. Take 6 of these units; assemble them into a cube so that the side flaps
are on the outside of the adjoining units. When you are finished you should
have a cube that has two flaps on opposite sides of each face. The cube
will not stay together easily until the last unit is put in place, so don't
give up hope! if you've assembled a butterfly ball, this is nothing.
5. Take 6 more units for the locking procedure. The flaps on each of these
units tuck behind the flaps on each face, so that the unit covers all flaps
and the cube face becomes flat again. Once all of these units are in place,
you can throw the cube against a wall and it won't fall apart.

Now for my contribution: the turrets (for lack of a better term):

6. Take two business cards and position them as you did in step 1.
7. Rather than folding along the raw edge, you want to fold the end flaps
_to_ the raw edge, in effect folding the exposed rectangles in half. Do
this on both rectangles and then make 4 more units for a total of 6.
8. Unfold the small flaps you just made. There will be a rectangle between
them.
9. Valley crease from corner to corner within this rectangle, leaving the
side flaps uncreased, repeat in the other direction; you should have an X
in the middle.
10. Mountain fold a line parallel with the short edges and through the
middle of the X.
11. Collapse the folds you just made into an off-kilter waterbomb
base-type-thing.
12. Pull outward until the turret is 3D and complete.

13. To attach, tuck the small edge flaps into the pockets on either side of
a cube face. These are the same pockets you tucked the locking faces into
in step 5, thus they are folded edges and not raw edges (these pockets grip
the cards much more tightly because of the extra layers already there). Do
this with all 6 faces and you have a rhombic dodecahedron (a 12-faced solid
with rhomboid faces rather than pentagonal ones)

wheee :>

hope these crude instructions help you out... keep in mind that multiple
business card cubes can be locked together, then the resulting shape can be
"turreted" for more interesting shapes. i'll leave the joining process to
you; it doesn't require any extra cards...

enjoy...

peace,
alasdair





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:11:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>

> david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez
>
> >Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
>
> No - most of us are old geezers (42)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>

I prefer to think of myself as a budding young geezer, having not yet
transcended to the full initiate of old geezerhood. Don't let yourself get
trapped into the conventional definition of 'old geezer'. In fact, I've been
geezing actively without break now since they frosted Chex, and I'm still
not 100% clear on the efficacy of geezation among our generation. It didn't
stop disco, so many potentially dynamic geezing gourmands have had their
geezerhood stunted by the cynical reality that perhaps the 'old geezer' is
passe. Perhaps this is different in the UK (the birthplace of geezering),
but in the US it has resulted in a generation of 'lost geezers', not yet
properly chilled in the mold of geezation. Will we set like mandarin orange
jello, or degenerate into a thin puddle like poorly whipped cream on a warm
dessert? Who's to say? Time is the icebox wherein we set our philosophies,
and, as some one once said, 'many are cold but few are frozen'. Shall I ever
be a full 'old' geezer? Perhaps not, but only time will tell. All the best -
c!!!





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:22:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>

> Well, i'm 13
> But that doesn't count

> From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>
>
> > Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
> >
> > David
> >

There's no 'kid's table' at the origami feast--you've gotta dive in with the
rest of us. Education is not a one-way street. How do you think the older
members of the group got where they are? That's right, stealing the ideas of
more youthful folk like yourselves. More power to you. All the best - c!!





From: Tiffany Tam <origamiwing@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:51:46 -0700 (
Subject: Re: [NO] people

i am 18
Tiffany

>From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [NO] people
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:37:58 -0700
>
>Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
>
>David

_______________________________________________________________
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From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:19:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Jerry Harris wrote:

"Gee, I didn't realize I
was subscribed to yet _another_ fossil
list..."

And an Egyptology list as well!

Origami Mummy





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:07:36 +0800
Subject: Re: A landmark in stupidity

Dear Donna & Robin:

Thanks for finding an alternative way to get the diagrams to us! They're
great, especially the 3D effects you managed to capture. This has always
been a bugbear for me.

With the amount of stuff that Jospeh has beendoing, I'm beginning to
wonder whether he realizes that there are such mundane pursuits called
'sleep' and 'rest'!

Joseph: Thanks for the wonderful gesture.

Donna & Robin wrote:
>
> I've just dug a great big hole for myself! I mailed the list offering to
> send out my Eiffel tower diagrams, and in the space of 1 day I have had 33
> requests. The pdf file is 260kb which means I would need to send 8.4
> megabytes of data through my less than state-of-the-art modem. That will
> take hours! And here in the UK we have to pay for our internet connection
> time. If I can't sort out an alternative I will just have to do it anyway.
> In the mean time, as Joseph Wu has previously been kind enough to put my
> diagrams on his web site, I will initially send the file to just him.
>
> Another reason to do this is that the diagrams are untested, and it may be
> wise to have them checked out before everyone spots the same mistake and
> asks for 8.4 megabytes of corrected diagram. This happened once before when
> I accidentally attached an old and incomplete diagram to about a dozen list
> members. Strangely some people still responded favourably (perhaps they were
> just being nice).
>
> I know that some people said they cannot read pdf files but is easy enough
> to get Adobe Acrobat reader at
> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html
>
> On a similar subject I used to offer my diagrams as a means of checking them
> for errors and ideas for improvement, but I have abandoned this approach as
> the response rate is about one in ten. So have stopped kidding myself that
> most people will offer anything in return for the diagrams. Sorry that's a
> bit negative but that's the way it is. Though I would like to say a big
> thank you to those who did respond, the feedback really did help.
>
> Of course if anyone gets to see the Eiffel Tower diagrams on Joseph's web
> site and has anything to say (good or bad) I would love to hear.





From: "Jerry D. Harris" <LOKICORP@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:08:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Message text written by Origami List
>No - most of us are old geezers (42)<

        Gee, I didn't realize I was subscribed to yet _another_ fossil
list...

         ;-D  ;-D  ;-D

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From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:18:35 +0800
Subject: Origami Exhibition in Singapore

We had an origami exhibition-cum-seminar in Singapore on 26 June, which
was modest by any standards. But it was a start, nonetheless. The
Shumakovs have graciously hosted a short write up and some photographs
at www.origami.aaanet.ru/info/news/ori_sg.htm

There is also a link from the Oriland homepage (www.origami.aaanet.ru)
under 'Info'.

Some new pics have also been added in the Guestroom gallery.

Would appreciate all and any feedback.

Cheers.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:46:25 +0800
Subject: Re: Koh's works( was  Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?)

Thanks for gracious comments, and thanks for correction of typo in URL.
My apologies, all, for typo error; that's what happens with newbies on
the internet.

Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:
>
> What a wonderful showcase! Please keep us posted.
> You don't mind I correct the typo in URL. It should be
> http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/g_room/koh/gallery/gallery.htm
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sy Chen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?
>
> >I have a grasshopper design of my own, a photo of which can be found at
> >the Oriland Guestroom,
> >http://www.origami.aaanet.ru/g_room/koh/gallery/gallery/htm.
> >
> >Don't know about the 'good' part where expectations go, though.
> >
> >The Shumakovs, my hosts, have also rearranged the layout of the
> >guestroom and added several new pics.
> >
> >Take a peek; all feedback greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> >Stephen Canon wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a good grasshopper design?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Stephen Canon





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:47:03 +0800
Subject: Wanted: Origami Group in/near Scottsdale, Az.

Hi, all:

I received an email from NHartsing@aol.com who is an origami beginner.
He would like to get in touch with any groups which may be active in or
near the Scottsdale, Az. area.

anyone able to help, please communicate directly with NHartsing.

Regards.





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:53:32 +0800
Subject: [Fwd: Origami Exhibition in Singapore]

My apologies, all:

There was a typo in the URL: it should be
www.origami.aaanet.ru/info/news/ori_sg/htm

Regards.

Earlier posting:

We had an origami exhibition-cum-seminar in Singapore on 26 June, which
was modest by any standards. But it was a start, nonetheless. The
Shumakovs have graciously hosted a short write up and some photographs
at www.origami.aaanet.ru/info/news/ori_sg.htm

There is also a link from the Oriland homepage (www.origami.aaanet.ru)
under 'Info'.

Some new pics have also been added in the Guestroom gallery.

Would appreciate all and any feedback.

Cheers.





From: Susan Johnston <oggy@NEDDY8.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:32:33 +0100
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Well, i'm 13
But that doesn't count
----- Original Message -----
From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 3:37 AM
Subject: [NO] people

> Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
>
> David





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:30:21 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Well, you may have different ages...
The number of years from your birth is for people without imagination.
The number of years you have been doing Origami is just a technical information.
The number of years you can dream about - now that's something!
Sometimes the important question is not: "How old are you?" but "How young are
     you?"
But that's the kind of thing you begin to understand only as you approach
     'geezerhood'.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:30:21 +0800
Subject: Re: Grasshopper Diagrams?

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> Wow!!!  Wow!!!!  Wow!!!!!  I so want diagrams for any of those folds
> especially the grasshopper, deer, stegosaurus and praying mantis.  You're
> folds are just awesome.

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

Thanks for the enthusiastic response. The diagreams (all 205 of it!) for
the stegosaurus were published in the OUSA 1998 Annual Collections. The
diagrams for the rocking horse are in there as well. The grasshopper,
deer and praying mantis have yet to be properly diagrammed, although
they were designed some years back.

 Don't give up hope on publishing books of yours
> they would be stupid too!  I promise you that as soon as you publish a book
> I'll buy it.  Hint: please print in USA.

Thank you again for the support. It may be a little too expensive to
print the book in the US, especially in Chinese ....

(Just kidding! Of course it would be in English)





From: KADUKU <kaduku@CDEPOT.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:06:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] people

Nick Robinson wrote:
>
> david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU> sez
>
> >Is there anyone around my age on the list?  I'm 19 almost 20.
>
> No - most of us are old geezers (42)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
     syphons!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos

 I am 26 years old. Origami is fun to everyone regardless of the age of
the person doing it.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:42:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Sv:      Re: [NO] people

----- Original Message -----
From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>

Am I the youngest octogenarian on this list ?

ThokI Yenn
www.thok.dk

Remember--you're only as old as people can remember you to be, yourself
included. I could never tell you were octo until you mentioned it. Now I'm
telling everyone. :-) All the best - c!!





From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:57:26 -0400
Subject: Ronald Koh Dinosaurs...

Having just looked at the gallery and becoming a fan, I was wondering
what other models of yours are diagrammed and where.  I think the
ankylosaurus is in one of the OUSA Convention books, yes?
