




From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:07:39 -0400 (
Subject: Information about Classic Noshi

Origami-L  at  Origam@mitvma.mit.edu  Informtion about Classic Noshi  22Jly99

Dear Sr. Molina,

I your positing to Origami-L yesterday you wrote:

"I am president of Gaditano Origami Group. Our next Exhibition is about
Traditional Customer in Japan. I need Information about Noshis, I am trying
to get the book Noshi by Isao Honda, English version, but I don`t know how to
get it.  And Sites on Internet about Noshis."

Although I have been a member of Asociacion Espanola de Papiroflexia for some
years, I regret that I have not been acquainted with your own group and am
pleased to make your acquaintance. I assume that the group is based at Cadiz.
I have looked at your Web site and am very impressed.

You ask about sites on the Internet about Noshi. I have not carried out a
thorough search, but my impression is that there are not many sites about
noshi. One that does exist was put together by myself as a posting to
Origami-l. You can find it on the British Origami Society Web site at

http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

If you look for the index page under my name, you will find that  there are
other sites that I have contributed to Origami-L, some of which may be
relevant for your present research.

To avoid overloading this E-mail, I will post a copy of my article to you
direct but I m posting this note to Origami-L because there may be  some
other subscribers who will be interested in the topic of noshi and tsutsumi.

Noshi has been discussed several times on Origami-L during the past few
years. You can search the  Origami-L Archives, which are kept by Maarten van
Gelder of the Origami Interest Group at the Rijksuniversiteit at Groningen,
Holland. This site was, in fact, mentioned in  "Pajarita" 66, recently.  The
URL of the archives is:

http://www.rug.nl/rugis/rc/ftp/origami/archive

You can also search the Origami-L archives through Joseph Wus Origami Page
at:

http://.origami.vancouver.bc.ca

Joseph Wus site also gives links to most of the other origami sites
throughout the world.

Look for the word "Search" and click on it. But be patient, because the
archives are now voluminous and take time to search. It is best to search
through one or two years at a time.

NOSHI

This is a very involved and quite a difficult subject. There is no adequate
account in English and I doubt if there is one in Spanish either.

 Strictly speaking a noshi is a wrapper supposed to enclose a strip of
stretched abalone, which is attached to gifts as a sign of good fortune. In
practice, a strip of yellow paper is substituted for real abalone, or the
whole thing may be merely printed. A noshi is just one example of a
"tsutsumi", which is the Japanese word for the English "wrapper". Formal
"tsutsumi" used to be used for wrapping gifts and especially gifts of
flowers. The form of each of the tsutsumi appropriate for a particular gift
was closely regulated according to several schools of etiquette, just as
there are several schools of Ikebana today.

You mention the book "Noshi - Classic Origami in Japan" by Isao Honda. This
is a fairly small paper-backed book which was published in 1964 by
Publications Trading Company of Tokyo and Rutland Vermont. It is, however,
very rare and it would only be possible to buy it on the second-hand book
market. Copies turn up very infrequently. But a copy was sold at a meeting of
the British Origami Society last April, so they do exist and it is best to
live in hope!

Hondas book gives a brief introduction to the subject of Noshi and Tsutsumi
and would be better than nothing at all, but, frankly, it is a very poor
book. Honda was not  scholar. He collected folds from wherever he could find
them and he often copied or adapted folds by other folders, notably by Akira
Yoshizawa. "NoshI" deals only briefly with classic noshi and tsutsumi and
then goes on to include a whole collection of what Honda calls  "informal
noshi". Perhaps it would be better to call them "informal tsutsumi", for they
are decorative wrappers for various gifts. In practice, however, words are
confused and "tsutsumi" are often called "noshi", even if this is not
strictly correct. In general, Honda himself is not at all clear about
terminology.

Honda goes on to pad out his book with twelve pages about folding dinner
napkins, which have nothing whatsoever to do with noshi or tsutsumi. He
learnt his napkin folding when he was an art student in France and England
and the folds in his book  that he calls "Japanese napkin folds " are merely
traditional Japanese models like the crane and the samurai helmet origami
models which re folded from western-style dinner napkins instead of paper.

While including napkins, which re irrelevant, Honda omits some aspects of
tsutsumi completely. For instance, he has nothing to say about betrothal
tsutsumi, which   (apart from noshi) are the one kind of tsutsumi that are
still alive today in Japan. It is a declining tradition, but at formal
betrothal (not wedding) ceremonies, it is traditional for the two families to
exchange gifts, which are formally wrapped in tsutsumi wrappers and tied with
elaborate knots of mizuhiki string. One of the gifts is usually a full-sized
noshi, about 30 or 40 centimetres long. Another may be wrapped chopsticks ,
or even a box of chopsticks, There may be a gift of money, carefully wrapped
in a formal envelope. There is no rigid series of gifts, although some are
tradition. Sets are exchanged in sets of five, seven or nine, s agreed by the
two families before-hand. Such betrothal tsutsumi can still be bought at
specialist shops in Japan. Japanese bridal books, very much like the
magazines published for brides I the West, still sometimes have section with
illustrations about betrothal tsutsumi

But if Hondas book is not really adequate, what books on the subject can be
recommended?

One of the best short accounts of noshi and tsutsumi and Japanese ceremonial
paperfolding generally is in French: Dominique Buisson:  "Manuel pratique
dorigami", published by Arted of Paris in 1988. I do not know whether or
not it is still in print or not. (Even Buisson does not, however, have much
to say about betrothal tsutsumi.) The same authors "The Art of Japanese
Paper", published in French and English versions by Terrail of Paris in 1992
also has sections about tsutsumi and other Japanese paper customs.

One source that would not at first sight by relevant is "Origami Science and
Art", the proceedings of the Second International meeting of Origami Science
held at Otsu, Japan in 1994. Makio Araki had a collection of tsutsumi
wrappers on display at the exhibition which was held as part of the Meeting.
Araki is the acknowledged Japanese expert on the subject and his paper on
Tsutsumi, delivered to the Meeting is printed on the Proceedings with several
pages of illustrations of formal tsutsumi. Sadly the article is in Japanese,
but a summary of his paper is given in English in the Abstract which was
prepared as a preliminary to the meeting.

Makio Araki has written a large and sumptuous book about tsutsumi in
Japanese, with instructions for folding many formal and informal tsutsumi
together with photographs of the completed folds. I understand the title is
Nippon No Origami Shu, published by Tankou sha in 1995. ISBN 4-473-01389-8.
The book has been available from the Kinokunija Bookstore in New York and if
still in print, should be obtainable from book sellers dealing in Japanese
books.

Another more accessible and colourful book by Araki is "Oru tsutsu mu"
meaning, I understand "Making Shapes". It is published by Tan ko sha and has
gone into three editions, so it should be still available. Silke Schroder of
Viereck Verlag, Origami Deutschland still had copies available at the Origami
Deutschland Convention last month. Even though this book in Japanese, it is
well illustrated in colour and black and white and much can be learnt from it
about  both formal and informal tsutsumi.

For Japanese customs in general, I would recommend (as I often do) "Japanese
Crafts and Customs, A Seasonal Approach" by Kunio Ekiguchi and Ruth S.
McCreedy, published by Kodensha International in 1987 and in a large
paper-backed edition in 1992 (ISBN 4-7700-1687-5). This book gives customs
for every season of the year, with particular emphasis on customs involving
paper.

Another book which is very valuable for explaining Japanese traditional
customs is Mock Joyas "Things Japanese". This is a famous book which has
run into many editions.

Noshi and Tsutsumi are , of course, not the only Japanese traditional customs
involving paper. The Mecho and Ocho Butterflies used especially in
traditional wedding ceremonies most  interesting and they may be one of the
origins of recreational paperfolding.. So are the Gohei and Osheda, which are
the zig-zagged shapes of paper suspended on ceremonial ropes outside Shinto
shrines and other sacred sites. The same zig-zagged shapes are also used in
ceremonial wands used by Shino priests in purificatory ceremonies. Buisson
has a short account about them.  Buisson also has a little to say in both his
books about Buddhist paper symbols, but little has been written about the
Buddhist use of paper.

Finally, may I also refer you to my notes about Japanese Paper Dolls, another
Japanese tradition about which I posted a note to Origami-L only two days ago?

I hope that these notes will be of help to you and I send my best wishes for
a very successful exhibition.

Yours sincerely,

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:34:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Memorizing models

Good points from both Larry Hart and Peter Budai.

My own memory, from various tests, proves best at memorizing words rather
than pictures or actions.  Some actually testable psychology research has
shown that there are people for whom each of those three types is the
easiest to memorize.  So, for me, once I learned names of procedures, my
ability to memorize folds took a great leap forward.  Then the repetitions
of bases, petal folds, sinks, etc., as I followed various diagrams,
memorized those procedures, and associated them to the words.

Words also gather large chunks of folds together.  "Make a bird base"
resumes a lot of diagrams.  "Repeat behind" or "on four sides" can also
cover a lot of territory.

But words are less precise, harder to translate, and have to be initially
defined either with a lot more words, or with diagrams or by demonstration.
I don't really like learning new folds from all word descriptions.  It's
harder.  They serve best as cues to sequences I have already seen or folded
(or ideally, both).

This is like Peter Budai's observation that models are easier to remember
from structure rather than steps -- the words grab the high level, or
overview, structure, rather than the low level, or basic, steps.  (This is
also the difference between strategy and tactics -- strategy is knowing
where to send your resources, tactics how to use them once they get there)
It also has similarities to Larry Hart's observations that the more folds
you know, and the more procedures, the more you will memorize, since it's
knowing folds and procedures that lets me attach words to various parts of
making models.

Before my recent trip, I chose a few favorite models from the books I
owned, and rediagrammed them to take with me.  I looked for ways to
abbreviate them, so that I could fit them on fewer sheets.  (And also so I
wouldn't have to draw as many diagrams!)  This lead to me finding more
structure, since I was condensing steps.  But it didn't lead to memorizing
the models!  Seems my brain figures, got the diagrams, might as well save
the memory bits for something else.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:13:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Rabbit Request

>In a message dated 7/22/99 7:44:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
>dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU writes:
>
>> Wasn't there also a model (I think by Fred Rohm) in an old origami book
>>  folded from a 2x1 rectangle?  I remember folding it several years ago: one
>>  square for the box folded like the traditional balloon and the other square
>>  for the rabbit.  Does this sound familar to anyone?
>>
>>  David
>
>I think that's "That's Magic" out of Harbin's "Secrets of Origami" (was this
>just recently reprinted by Dover, or is it still out of print?). After inking
>in
>features on the rabbit, and dots on the waterbomb cube it's standing on,
>it represents a rabbit standing on a die (singular of dice).
>
>Aloha,
>Kenneth Kawamura

That's it!!!!!  The name that's magic clicked like a light turning on, thanks.

David





From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:21:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

Martin Carbone asked for suggestions on getting his mom hooked on
origami.  I suspect that if her eyesight is failing, it might be good to
use a sort of paper that will let her see and feel the creases as well
as possible.  There is a sturdy double foil (foil on both sides, but
different colors) that might be good for this.  Perhaps she could be
inspired to make holiday decorations for the senior hotel?  Or maybe for
some other worthy cause, since holidays are often sad times if you've
lost someone recently?  Unit origami might be a good start--if the units
are fairly simple and not too many are required (say, for some of the
less elaborate kusudama ornaments).  Then she could show others how to
do it, too, and maybe regain her engagement with life in general (I fold
a lot on my own, but still find origami club night to be the real
highlight of the week).

Best wishes for success.

Sonia





From: Larry Hart <Lazagami@TESCO.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:43:20 +0100
Subject: Memorizing models

Memorizing models may have a generalization or two attached, such as, it's
easier to remember folds when you are younger, or that, you only remember
folds that you do frequently, both of which have already been mentioned!
However, I believe it is more personal than that, also more complex. A few
ideas on the subject.

1.    The more addicted to Origami a person is, the more folds they will
        remember.
2.    The more teaching of Origami a person does, the more folds they will
        remember.
3.    The more folds a person knows, the more folds they will remember,
        simply because, it's like remembering routes from one place to
another, and the more routes
        you know the easier it is to find your way around.
4.    The more Bases and Origami techniques a person knows, the easier it is
to recall various sequences.

On a personal note, as a teenager I counted how many folds that I knew how
to fold, it was approx 300. Now many years later, because I have added to
the type of folds that I like to make, especially with complex folds, the
figure has dramatically reduced. As to remembering my own creations, the
truth is that once I have diagrammed them, they are forgotten! with the
exception of a few favourites!!!
It's easier for me to remember an interesting sequence as a memory aid, then
the whole model will come as I go along.

Larry (heavily addicted to Origami) Hart





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Jorma in trouble?  (Re: YES-NO The Guide.)

At 02:05 PM 7/20/99 +0200, Jorma Oksanen wrote:

>>>As long as origami challenges don't mean I have to be able to fold it
>>>too (Hi Peter!)
>>Is that me, Jorma? Which model did you have trouble with? ;-)
>Yup, it's you :)

Now I begin having a fear of something...

>Here's a part of my private mail to you on 25-Aug-98
>PB>>Back to the original idea, recently I am looking for weird,
>PB>> stunning ideas.

I guess I wrote this about my "storm-cloud". Then I didn't know what I will
create at a sleeeeepy late-night folding session in NYC...

>JO>How about an action trashcan, with a small pedal at the bottom,
>JO>which when pushed will open the top.
>...
> a spray can with "spray" popping out.
>...
> a can-can dancer, pulling up her hem when bent down :)
>...
>Can of worms.

>So, could you?

I tried to fold a trashcan very alike to the one you described but it
turned out that I made terrible mistakes:

When you push the pedal the trashcan opens and emits a defective spray can
(spray is popping out continoususly till end of time), which action has
different effect on viwers:

-female viewers start can-can dancing,

-male viewers turn into a can of worms.

I've made the diagrams (1999 steps and a half) but when CIA received
information about it they forced me to promise them that I will only
publish it after Robert Lang publishes his BFCC diagrams (only even then, I
am only allowed to publish the crease pattern).

>And as this isn't private mail, all creators feel free to test if you
>CAN :)

At your own risk... ;-)

Peter Budai

(The truth-content of the above message is unsurely undefineable but
definitely maybe not 100%)





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding Trivia

At 12:07 AM 7/22/99 +0800, you wrote:

>'No piece of square dry paper can be folded more than seven times in half'
>
>That sentence can be interpreted in a number of ways,

Yes, one of the "illegal" ways is to "fold-unfold, fold-unfold, ..."
method, which can be made 8 times (with extraordinary efforts I even
managed to do it 9 times once! ;-)

>but I would prefer to leave the language and mathematical skills to anyone
on >the list who can decipher the intended meaning, or prove or debunk that
>statement.

The real proposition is to take a piece of paper, fold it in half, (keep it
so!), then fold it in half again... eight times.

But still this can be interpreted in two ways:

1)
each new fold is prependicular to the previous (so parallel with the one
before the previous)

2)
each new fold is parallel with the previous

We had this challenge with some classmates and it turned out that it _is_
possible, it just depends on:

A)
how large paper you're using

B)
what method ("1", "2', or mixed) you are using

C)
and last but not least what shape of paper you are using
(long rectangles are very easy to deal with! -lenghtwise, I mean-)

We made it from excercise-book paper (close to A4, which is about 210 by
290 millimeters) using the "mixed" method (if I remember well, we folded it
6 times always the same direction, then 2 times in the other)

But I have managed to do 7 folds (almost done!) using the pure "1" method,
using the same size excercise-book paper. So I guess with a bigger sheet
you _could_ do the 8 folds.

Folding in half ;-),

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Memorizing Models

At 09:39 AM 7/21/99 -0700, Herman Lau wrote:

>david whitbeck wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone who actually memorizes a fold by simply doing it once (I'm
>> talking about complex folds now, not something simple like a crane)?
>
>  I think kids have a better memory for these type of things than adults.

I guess what you wrote at the end of your message is more likely to be true:

>I think when you're young you have less clutter and distraction on your mind
>than adults

>and kid's lives are in general simpler and slower.

Hmm... hmmm... hmmm... (No, I won't go into this...)

Happy memorizing!

Peter Budai

(What have folded yesterday?)





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Memorizing models

At 08:14 PM 7/20/99 -0400, D'gou wrote:

>Joseph Wu indited:
>
>+I can, but only if I really like the model. Models get "un-memorized"
>+through disuse and as new models take their place.
>
>Is that because you remember the models you designed more easily, or just
>because you fold them enough to remember them, despite the fact you designed
>them? ;-)

(I know the question was not to me but I dare to answer it, too)

I think a cretors remember their models better and more easily because they
think of their models in "structure" ("first I did the semi-offset
blintzed-half-fishbase-half-birdbase thing and then sunk every big flap so
as to be able to unsink those little ones from the inside, then I used this
flap for that and that flap for this,..."), not in "steps" (as you think of
models you have folded from diagrams).

This relies in the fact that models are diagrammed in small chunks so as
not to overwhelm the folders (that is, they are "translated into
"Diagrammese" as I always say it). If you diagram a model in big chunks,
the steps become overcrowded with folds and thus the diagram gets uneasy
and uncomfortable to read. That's why more complex "structural" steps are
broken down to several simple individual actions (folds) in diagrams, to
make it more digestible.

Now, if you're memorizing a diagram step-by-step, you have to deal with a
lot more steps than when you "understand" the model and memorize the
structural steps. And since creators know their model structurally a lot
before knowing them from diagrams, it's easier for them to keep them in
memory (but of course it helps, too, that they fold it several times -
however, it can be disturbing that every time they change something and at
the end they don't know what was a good idea and what wasn't...-).

I'm not saying it's not possible to "understand" diagrammed models'
structure, you just have to study the model (perhaps unf*lding?) a lot to
succeed.

Remember the folds,

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Gaditano origami Group(now on the list)

Hello Ignacio,

>At end We are on Origami-l .

Welcome!

>we have exhibitions 4 times a year, Special thanks to P. budai,D. brill,
Mr >Nakamura, Mr Nakajima, A,voyer, f. Gilgado etc..

You're welcome! I was (and am) glad to participate.

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:06:58 -0400
Subject: Re: New Russian Origami Book

At 12:08 AM 7/22/99 +0800, you wrote:

>I received a new (to me, at least) origami dinosaur book from Sergei
>Afonkin a few days back.
>...
>There are ten origami dinosaurs in all, by folders from various parts of
>the world, including Peter Budai:

Yes, that Triceratops is from my "second generation" of dinosaurs, that is,
it's from one paper instead of two.

Just to mention another book from Sergei, it's about the same size and
features (as cover, number of pages, etc.) as the Dinosaur book, but the
topic is Dragons. Both very good books I think! (Not because I have models
in it, just because of all the models included)

Happy folding,

Peter Budai





From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:18:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

Marty
You might begin with napkin folding. Napkins are common objects. Their
utility is immediately understandable, their folds are forgiving, and they
can be humerous.
Check out the many books on napkin folding, buy large printed square
napkins (paper or fabric), and see what happens.

Joyce





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:45:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

Why don't you just show her - and maybe some of her friends at the
residence - how to do some simple folds next time you go visiting? All that
stuff about involving your 'arty' relatives and trying to find books sounds
a bit 'artificial' to me.

I'd like to share one experience I treasure about teaching origami to other
people. It's not quite the same situation maybe, but here it is.

I once had the opportunity to set up a small origami 'workshop' at a kind
of holiday camp which was attended by people of all ages and walks of life.
I had a whole lot of colourful leaflets that had been left over after a
festival, and my idea was to use them to make unit origami.
First came some older children and teenagers; I showed them how to fold the
units, and then they went on to make as many as they wanted.
Then came the smaller children. "Oh! Can I do that too? Please, show me!".
So we did, and they got the idea, and went on to fold their own units, with
occasional help from the older ones until they remembered how to do it
alone.
Then came a couple of elderly ladies. What they said was: "Oh my! Isn't
that pretty? Aren't those children smart to be able to do something so
complicated? I'm sure I could never do that!"
One or two of the smaller children (5-7 years old) then cried out: "No,
it's easy! Come on, sit down and I'll show you!"
Well, the old ladies let the children convince them and teach them how to
fold the units. Later, we all helped each other to join the units together
into 3D-stars.The old ladies were delighted at having made something
pretty, and the children at having been able to teach them something they
had learnt.
Quite a lot of people came to this workshop as the day went on. I might not
have been able to attend several people at several different stages all at
once, but those of my pupils who had come first spontaneously helped those
who came later. Both young and old found that they had something to give
each other - not only understanding how to fold a bit of paper, but time,
attention, fun, and the feeling of being valued by each other.
I just love this memory.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:26:08 +0800
Subject: Re: Rabbit Request

david whitbeck wrote:
>
> Wasn't there also a model (I think by Fred Rohm) in an old origami book
> folded from a 2x1 rectangle?  I remember folding it several years ago: one
> square for the box folded like the traditional balloon and the other square
> for the rabbit.  Does this sound familar to anyone?
>
> David
Kenneth Kawamura replied:

I think that's "That's Magic" out of Harbin's "Secrets of Origami" (was
this
just recently reprinted by Dover, or is it still out of print?). After
inking
in
features on the rabbit, and dots on the waterbomb cube it's standing on,
it represents a rabbit standing on a die (singular of dice).

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura

You are probably referring to Fred Rohm's 'It's Magic', which appears on
page 214 of Robert Harbin's 'Secrets of Origami' (First Edition) - a
nice looking rabbit perched on a cube, separately dotted to resemble a
dice (die?).

The book has been reprinted - I have seen it at some of the better
bookshops in Singapore.





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:38:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

Why don't you first show her some of her favorite animals, or other things
she might like such as polyhedra, boxes, quilts, masks?  Perhaps stressing
how easy it was to fold.   That's how I managed to get my mother to fold a
lily: I knew she liked lily's and it's quick and easy to fold.  There are
certain folds that can be done not precisely that would go well with bad
eyesight.  But still I would think that origami would be a bad idea because
she would have to strain her sight looking for landmarks (unless she folds
Yoshizawa style).  You might also not push the origami idea but do
something more caring and productive: look back and remember what hobbies
she liked before and try to get her into them again (the ones that don't
need critical attention to the eyes) or find similar ones.  Watch out if
she agrees to do origami: what if she says it just to do something with
you, but doesn't really want to fold.  You might just talk with her.  I
didn't mean to be critical, I just believe that though it would be good for
her to fold origami, you could redirect some of that energy (i.e. skip the
book) into showing your care and love by just finding ways to enhance her
life (if she wants it, who knows that might be offensive to her because
it's her life) if you can see that she really doesn't like origami.  Don't
get me the wrong way these are just suggestions.

Sincerely,

David





From: Herman Lau <hlau@ARB.CA.GOV>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:27:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Memorizing models

Peter Budai wrote:

> I think a cretors remember their models better and more easily because they
> think of their models in "structure" ("first I did the semi-offset
> blintzed-half-fishbase-half-birdbase thing and then sunk every big flap so
> as to be able to unsink those little ones from the inside, then I used this
> flap for that and that flap for this,..."), not in "steps" (as you think of
> models you have folded from diagrams).
>

Could this be analogous to concert musicians who everyday memorize long scores
     of
music without referring to the music sheet?  There are possibly thousands and
thousands of musicians all over the world, including the very young and the
very(?) old,  who could effortlessly memorize and retain (although how long they
can retain it without use is another question) long music scores after only one
or two rehearsals.

Herman Lau





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:35:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Memorizing models

Peter Budai, replying to a question directed (but only superficially so) at
Joseph Wu, indited:

> (I know the question was not to me but I dare to answer it, too)

Hopefully others will "dare" too!

> I think a cretors remember their models better and more easily because they
> think of their models in "structure" ("first I did the semi-offset
> blintzed-half-fishbase-half-birdbase thing and then sunk every big flap so
> as to be able to unsink those little ones from the inside, then I used this
> flap for that and that flap for this,..."), not in "steps" (as you think of
> models you have folded from diagrams).

This is a very good point, as is one you make below it:

> I'm not saying it's not possible to "understand" diagrammed models'
> structure, you just have to study the model (perhaps unf*lding?) a lot to
> succeed.

Unfolding and also noticing what structures are being created. As a simple
example of that, consider Robert Lang's Bald Eagle model. It starts from two
side by side birdbases on a 2x1 paper. I find it much easier to just precrease
those and then pick back up with his diagrams, rather than to use his
diagrammed folding sequence from step 1.

But it can work in the opposite way too. I first learned Joseph's When Pigs
Grow Wings and Fly (WPGFaF) from him at a convention a few years ago. The
folding sequence was so "obvious" and natural that I _couldn't_ remember it
when I got home. ;-) I've probably folded over 50 of them since, and now I
wonder how I couldn't have remembered it! I remember it is a sequence of
structures, and the folds just pop back into memory.

Some "memorized" models manage to stick (like Joseph's WPGWaF, Neale's and
Stamm's Dragon, Momotani's Koala, Kawasaki's Rose, ...), but most evaporate
when I memorize other models. For a while I had Montroll's Chameleon
memorized, thanks to seeing it on Sarah Wooden's website
(http://www.fredart.com/sarah/index.html/). While I was folding it regularly I
didn't think I would forget it ;-) , but now I have.

-D'gou

P.S. I still get a temporary memory 'black out' whenever someone asks: "What
can you fold?" (Blaslsdfh, ah, crane, ah. .... ah..... ah.... cup....). ;-)

P.P.S. Thanks to david whitbeck for reminding me of Kawasaki's Shell. I didn't
look that closely at it before, but the mention of it here prompted me to take
a second look at it. Another elegant and simple model that _should_ be easy to
memorize. ;-)





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:10:28 -0500
Subject: rabbit with cube

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Yes, David, the model you describe is called "It's Magic" by Fred Rohm.  It
is in Robert Harbin's Secrets of Origami.       Anita





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:08:09 -0700
Subject: Kawasaki Rose

Thanks to all those that helped me, I finally closed the back.  I now
notice that it doesn't make that big a difference on the front.  What I
did:

I wetfolded it!  For some reason that I don't know of it made it easier to
interlock those four flaps which I did by putting each one underneath the
one on the left, which is the same or exactly opposite the method that was
suggested by someone (sorry I forgot!) and I am now letting it dry.  With
my luck as it dries it'll expand forcing the four flaps apart.  Yeah for
origami!!

David





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:53:23 -0500
Subject: origami sighting

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hello!  In the scientific journal devoted to dragonflies, Odonatologica,
issue 28(2), June 1, 1999, there is an article by A.L.Carvalho titled
"Dragonflies in Origami."
        To quote the abstract,  "16 origami projects (folding paper
     instructions)
representing dragonflies are registered and studied.  Both technical and
representational aspects are described for each folded model.  A basic
geometric outline of a dragonfly is defined based on these sculptures."
        Our local (NY) dragonfly expert, Ken Soltesz, gave me the article.  It
     is
illustrated but includes no folding diagrams.

Anita F. Barbour





From: Isa Miller <-isa-@EXCITE.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:47:49 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

  Watch out if
> she agrees to do origami: what if she says it just to do something with
> you, but doesn't really want to fold.

I agree...she has to want to do it. However, there is nothing wrong with
providing her the opportunity to learn.

You've mentioned various relatives in the area, so why don't you just have
them casually take something to fold with them the next time they visit. How
'bout doing some cranes for Littleton? Have the visitor pull out the paper
and a book and fold as they visit. By the time they do the second or third
one, she will be curious. Then, if she wants, she can help fold a few. And
it would natually lead into folding the crane over and over again, giving
her a chance to memorize the fold.

At the end of the visit, if she seemed interested at all, the visitor could
just leave the book and a packet of paper. Let her take it from there.

You might call her in a few days, just to see if she's folded any that needs
to be mailed....then when you pick those up for mailing, you can leave
another book, more paper........

Since there is a finite project going on for Littleton, it will give her a
goal. And you know there is a real need if the Littleton people are to reach
their 1000.

Good luck,
Isa

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From: Isa Miller <-isa-@EXCITE.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:53:21 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Hooking mom.....

Just an additional note....

I wouldn't worry too much about her eyesight. If she's an experienced
knitter, she will be fine. She will use the touch of her fingers to
compensate for what she can't quite see.

If it proves too much for her, she will know it.

Isa

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From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:29:55 +0200
Subject: Origami Deutschland homepage

Hello,

I am pleased to announce that the Origami Deutschland home pages are
finally (finally! finally!) online again, under the address

http://www.papierfalten.de/

Since probably very few of you still remember the last version, I will
not elaborate on what has changed. Simply go there and look for
yourself.

Please send any comments to me. I'd also appreciate information about
other origami-related events for the calendar.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:49:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Taiwanese paper art special exhibit in New York

At 12:46 AM 7/22/99 -0700, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM> wrote:

>I just found this information. There is a special exhibit at
>Taipei Gallery, 1221 Ave of the Americas, New York, NY 10020
>TEL: (212) 373-1854
>from 7/8/1999 to 8/6/1999 Mon to Fri :11am to 6pm
>
>The exhibit does feature some paper arts including paper sculpting, paper
>cutting, paper tearing, and paperfolding from 6 Taiwanese artists. I don't
>know any of the artists. Please visit there if you do get a chance. I am
>especially interested because they are from my home country. If possible
>post some photos or even email me privately. I don't think I would be able
>to go there.

This exhibition is a few blocks from where I work, so I had no excuse not
to show up. Now that I have been there, I think I might stop by a few more
times (with a real effort on August 6th, as the artist will be there).  the
closing time unfortunatly is 5:30, so I know this can be difficult for
those of us with 9-5 jobs. Anyway, the origami portion of the exhibition
was by Mr. La Chen-hsiang. His bio indicates he was born in 1945, and has
been winning numerous art awards sincehigh school. Stylistically, his work
is very simmilar to Eric Joisel's, albeit with an apparent appreciation of
traditional Chinese subject matter. The best example of this simmilarity
would be his "Crocodile," which has even denser pleating than Joisel's
turtle. Actually, most of Chen-hsiang's work has a light weight feel, as
rectangles, and sometimes multiple sheets  are used. There were a total of
24 pieces on display, most of which were human figures and masks. If you
are in the area, I highly reccomend checking this out - and it is free too!

www.taipei.org

Marc





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding Trivia

At 11:01 AM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote:

>I've managed 9 folds, if you can believe it. Mind you, the last two
"folds" are >really "bends". Here's the trick: if you do the 7 folds all
parallel to each >other, you end up with a long "stick" of paper. This can
be bent twice upon >itself, making a total of 9 "folds".

Yes, that's how we've done with my classmates, too. ;-)

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding Trivia

At 10:07 AM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote:

>Without unfolding, it can only be folded in half once, then you're
>quartering, eighthing...you get my drift...

In respect to the original paper size, yes but in respect to what you are
actually folding, you keep halving it.

Okay, okay, I just wanted to tell this  ;-)

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Folding Trivia

At 01:22 PM 7/21/99 -0400, you wrote:

>The theory is that no one can fold 128 sheets of paper.

It all depends on the thickness issue.

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

At 03:16 PM 7/21/99 EDT, you wrote:

>Am I to understand you have a way to put pyramids on top of cubes and lock
>without glue??

Yes, but it requires scissors... ;-)

>BTW, this is Rob Hudson :)

Aha!

Happy cutting,

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Memorizing models

At 11:43 AM 7/22/99 +0100, you wrote:

>As to remembering my own creations, the truth is that once I have
diagrammed >them, they are forgotten!

Wow! As for me I can more or less re-create those (sometimes not!) without
the diagrams but it's true that by the time I gets a model diagrammed, I
fold it so many times that it begins to be boring and I won't fold too much
of them later. But when I see a good paper for that model or I need one for
an exhibition or simply miss the model, I fold it!

Let diagramming be easier in the next millenium,

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:47:46 -0400
Subject: Re: memorizing folds - a new twist

At 09:01 AM 7/22/99 -0400, you wrote:

>Speaking of memorizing folds, here's something that perhaps touches upon our
>copyright bugaboo. . .

Could anybody please explain me what "copyright" does mean?

(NOOOOOO, NOOOOOO, it was a fool joke!!!!!!!!!!!!) ;-D

>Back when I was a starving student
>...
>I saw an origami book in the store
>...
>So I stood there and STARED at the diagrams and envisioned the
>folding sequence in my head.

That's a very good excersise! Not only it helps in the bookshop but in a
creating process as well: you dont have to enter every "dead end road" if
you can fold the model for some steps forward in your mind!

>Now, sadly, it is time I am short of,

BTW if anybody has some excess 'time' please give me some :-)

>My bookshelf takes up far more area than my finished models.

Try to keep it so... or soon you'll have to move to a bigger
apartment/house...

Happy folding,

Peter 'Manyhundredsofmodelsinboxes" Budai





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:51:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Taiwanese paper art special exhibit in New York

Thanks for the update. In case you want to see the introduction. Go to web
site
http://www.taipei.org/teco/cicc/gallery/1999cal/paper.htm

Happy browsing!

Sy Chen (sychen@erols.com)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@PIPELINE.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Taiwanese paper art special exhibit in New York

>
>This exhibition is a few blocks from where I work, so I had no excuse not
>to show up. Now that I have been there, I think I might stop by a few more
>times (with a real effort on August 6th, as the artist will be there).  the
>closing time unfortunatly is 5:30, so I know this can be difficult for
>those of us with 9-5 jobs. Anyway, the origami portion of the exhibition
>was by Mr. La Chen-hsiang. His bio indicates he was born in 1945, and has
>been winning numerous art awards sincehigh school. Stylistically, his work
>is very simmilar to Eric Joisel's, albeit with an apparent appreciation of
>traditional Chinese subject matter. The best example of this simmilarity
>would be his "Crocodile," which has even denser pleating than Joisel's
>turtle. Actually, most of Chen-hsiang's work has a light weight feel, as
>rectangles, and sometimes multiple sheets  are used. There were a total of
>24 pieces on display, most of which were human figures and masks. If you
>are in the area, I highly reccomend checking this out - and it is free too!
>
>www.taipei.org
>
>Marc





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:51:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

I taught a local group of partially sighted people origami. I
photocopied the models I was going to teach in the blackest ink possible
and made them larger so they could see them better. I found models with
diagrams black on white were better than coloured in diagrams which look
nice on the page  but are not so bold when copied.

It was a very succesful session and they all enjoyed it and went home
with something they had made.

Good luck

Penny

Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Darren Abbey <darren_a@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:30:25 -0500
Subject: new butterfly model

Hello everyone.   I'm just writing to let you all know I've just
completed an addition to my web site, a newly created butterfly model.
        I'd appreciate your comments on the model and on the diagramming method
I chose for it.

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~psycho/origami/origami.html#butterfly

    - Thanks -
-= Darren Abbey =-





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:32:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

At 03:16 PM 7/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Am I to understand you have a way to put pyramids on top of cubes and lock
>without glue??

well, they're made from business cards, so the resulting pyramid (really a
waterbomb-ish thing made from a rectangle) has flaps at either end, which
tuck securely under the thick edges of jeannine's business-card cube. if
you want a more detailed explanation, i can give it to you; the outcome of
six of these placed on a cube is a fairly nice rhombic dodecahedron with
some indented faces.

peace,
alasdair





From: Howard Portugal <howardpo@MICROSOFT.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:42:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Turrets?

Alasdair,

Do you have pictures and or diagrans?

Howard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alasdair Post-Quinn [mailto:acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:32 AM
> To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Turrets?
>
>
> At 03:16 PM 7/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Am I to understand you have a way to put pyramids on top of
> cubes and lock
> >without glue??
>
> well, they're made from business cards, so the resulting
> pyramid (really a
> waterbomb-ish thing made from a rectangle) has flaps at
> either end, which
> tuck securely under the thick edges of jeannine's
> business-card cube. if
> you want a more detailed explanation, i can give it to you;
> the outcome of
> six of these placed on a cube is a fairly nice rhombic
> dodecahedron with
> some indented faces.
>
> peace,
> alasdair





From: Maarten van Gelder <VGELDER@KVI.nl>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:52:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Rose Brooch diagram

Sy,

> I just put Rose Brooch diagram in .incoming directory in both ps and pdf
> formats. Please move them to proper directory. Thank you very much.
> Sy Chen

They are in the models directory now (in Roses).

--
Maarten van Gelder    KVI - Groningen, Netherlands    vgelder@kvi.nl





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:56:21 -0700
Subject: Re: My homepage...

At 12:05 99/07/23 -0400, you wrote:
>However it is not in the final stage of development, but regarding to some
>people's comments it's not so bad, so I'd like to announce my hompage,
>which I have started to build this spring and the last update was in the
>beginning of June.

How about the URL?
----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
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From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:05:49 -0400
Subject: My homepage...

Hi Everyone,

However it is not in the final stage of development, but regarding to some
people's comments it's not so bad, so I'd like to announce my hompage,
which I have started to build this spring and the last update was in the
beginning of June.

The page now has some (5) diagrams, a "symbols" and a "basic folds" section
taken from my yet unpublished book (but I think symbols and introduction to
fold types should be freely accessible, that's why I've put them on the
Internet) and an article on diagramming (I'll put a few more things in that
one when I next update the page).

Just to mention it before anyone asks, the stag beetle picture on the
diagrams link is not because there are the stag beetle diagrams as well. So
don't search for it. I'll try to find a better replacement for that button.

Please note that the next update will be in sometime December because I'll
be in reach of Internet then (at school). But I'm already working on the
update.

So, visit, have fun folding and reading and if you have, tell your comments
to me to <peterbud@mail.datatrans.hu>

Peter Budai





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:14:15 +0200
Subject: Origami doll making

To all those interested in Origami dolls:

I have just received a book with folded Japanese figures I ordered from
Viereck Verlag (Germany), and it is so wonderful that I'd like to pass on
the reference:

Koten Origami, by Yaejo and Itsuko Sakuma. - ISBN 4-582-65702-X

It is entirely in Japanese (even the title and the copyright page!), and
the models have cuts, but the diagrams look pretty clear and the
photographs are simply gorgeous!
It is a luxury book, but well worth the price!
I hope those of you who are interested will be able to get it fairly
easily.

Happy folding!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Dino Andreozzi <dion@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:54:36 +0200
Subject: SV:      Re: My homepage...

----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Frn: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Till: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Skickat: den 23 juli 1999 18:56
mne: Re: My homepage...

Joesph Wu wrote:
> How about the URL?

Here it is Joseph:
http://members.tripod.com/~PeterBudai/Origami.htm

Regards

Dino





From: Ronald Koh <ronkoh@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:51:11 +0800
Subject: Diagramming 3D models

Peter Budai wrote:

Let diagramming be easier in the next millenium ...

An interesting comment, and how I wish it could be possible! I am
presently using the PC version of Macromedia Freehand 8.0.1. It's
probably the best software for the job (gotta be, since Robert Lang
recommended an earlier version of the software to me years ago), but has
anybody figured an easy way to illustrate 3D models? some piece of
equipment, maybe? I am considering investing in a digital camera or 3D
scanner to capture the image, port it over to Freehand, and trace it.

Any suggestions or shared experiences will be appreciated.





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:17:48 -0700 (
Subject: origami sighting

At The Rainbow Gathering in Allegheny National Forest people were folding
Origami in groups as one of the activities in order to make a Sembruzuru!!!

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From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:19:12 -0700 (
Subject: Origami of Kingston, NY meeting

The Origami Kingston Club meets on the second and fourth Saturday's of
the month at the Kingston Area Library.
The library is located at 55 Franklyn Street in Kingston NY.
Information may be gotten at 914-331-0988
Meeting start at 10:30 and last about a hour and a half and are in the
Childrens library.
See you there. Mike Kanarek

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:22:53 -0700
Subject: Eiffel Tower Diagrams (was Re: A landmark in stupidity)

At 20:21 99/07/23 +0100, you wrote:
>I've just dug a great big hole for myself! I mailed the list offering to
>send out my Eiffel tower diagrams, and in the space of 1 day I have had 33
>requests. The pdf file is 260kb which means I would need to send 8.4
>megabytes of data through my less than state-of-the-art modem. That will
>take hours! And here in the UK we have to pay for our internet connection
>time. If I can't sort out an alternative I will just have to do it anyway.
>In the mean time, as Joseph Wu has previously been kind enough to put my
>diagrams on his web site, I will initially send the file to just him.

That is no problem. As soon as I receive the diagrams, I will put them up
and I will announce the location to this list.

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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:41:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Eiffel Tower Diagrams (was Re: A landmark in stupidity)

At 12:22 99/07/23 -0700, I wrote:
>That is no problem. As soon as I receive the diagrams, I will put them up
>and I will announce the location to this list.

The Eiffel Tower diagrams are now on my site. Go hunting in the "Diagrams"
page, or do a search, or else just link here:

<http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Files/PDF/eiffel.pdf>

----------------------------------------------------------------
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t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:39:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Turrets?

At 09:42 AM 7/23/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Alasdair,
>
>Do you have pictures and or diagrans?

hm. i didn't think they'd be this popular. i figured jeannine would have
thought of this ages ago... in any case, i don't have diagrams but given
the geometric nature of this piece i should be able to whip some up fairly
quickly. i don't have alot of time, what with preparations for my move to
maine, etc, but i'll do my best.

if not, i can always write text directions...

peace,
alasdair





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:45:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??

Martin,

Several years ago I taught a class at a seniors home near my
office following up on a request sent to Origami-L. (Karen
Reeds, I believe, had given a class at a library near her,
and the activities director from the home had asked about
it)They seemed to enjoy it, but it was a one-shot deal,
unfortunately, which never developed into anything further.
Perhaps someone on Origami-L who is in that area (Point
Pleasant, NJ) could help you out, perhaps in conjunction with
one of your relatives. I'd love to do it (especially being a
Cooper Union graduate), but it's a bit out of my geographic
range. A (semi-)regular class would be a good idea to help
stimulate interest.
Good Luck!

Yaacov Metzger





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:31:53 -0400
Subject: Hooking Mom on Origami??

>Date:    Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:45:00 -0400
>From:    "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
>Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Hooking Mom on Origami??
>
>Martin,
>
>Several years ago I taught a class at a seniors home near my
>office following up on a request sent to Origami-L. (Karen
>Reeds, I believe, had given a class at a library near her,
>and the activities director from the home had asked about
>it)They seemed to enjoy it, but it was a one-shot deal,
>unfortunately, which never developed into anything further.
>Perhaps someone on Origami-L who is in that area (Point
>Pleasant, NJ) could help you out, perhaps in conjunction with
>one of your relatives. I'd love to do it (especially being a
>Cooper Union graduate), but it's a bit out of my geographic
>range. A (semi-)regular class would be a good idea to help
>stimulate interest.
>Good Luck!
>
>Yaacov Metzger

Yaacov--I'm so glad to know what happened with that request and to know all
went well.  What did you teach?  How long was the class? How many people?
Hand out diagrams?

Karen





From: Faye Goldman <fayeg@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:32:57 -0400
Subject: New Meeting Place for Greater Phila Paper Folders

The Greater Philadelphia Paper Folders is meeting in a new place!
We are now meeting at the Awbury Arboretum which is near Germantown.

We will meet for on July 26,1999 and each of the first Monday
starting in September.  The meeting will start at 6:30pm and go
to whenever..
All ages are welcome.

e-mail privately for directions, or call at 610-642-2901.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:33:35 -0700
Subject: origami and memes, from Re: memorizing folds.

I like the current thread about "stealing" origami by memorizing it in a
shop. I think that truly good folds are just memes that self-replicate
through human communication--you are the agent of the meme's reproduction,
like an epiphytic or parasitic host, just carrying it around until another
ripe host is found. Okay, let the ridicule begin... I can take it :-) All
the best - c!!
