




From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:31:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting/Hearing

>
> On a recent radio commercial for paint, one man , a Mr. Ben Theredonethat,
> who isn't impressed by much, was being talked to by someone trying to tell
> him about impressive things, one of which was a man who did Origami
> sculptures of the Eifel Tower.  (To which Ben replied, "yeah, yeah he live
> downstairs from me, so what".)

If I recall correctly, it is a commercial for Benjamin Moore paints :-)

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Julie Rhodes <kettir@GEOCITIES.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:31:55 +0000 (
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 16 Jul 1999 to 17 Jul 1999

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:00:23 -0400, you wrote:

>Date:    Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:26:24 +0200
>From:    Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
>Subject: Origami in fiction
>
>For those interested in stories where Origami crops up, I'd like to mention a
     short story
>about a mysterious paperfolder. It's called 'Paperjack' and is one of a
     collection called
>'Dreams Underfoot' by Charles De Lint (New York: Tor, 1994)

Origami also appears in the "Wild Cards" series of novels.  There's a
character whose Wild Card power is to fold paper animals that then become
the animals (I seem to recall they become the real animals, and during that
time the mind of the character animates them.  If he is distracted, the
"real" animal disappears and a little origami is left lying where the
animal was.)





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:32:14 +0200
Subject: Re: shipping origami

For that size of shipment, I would suggest a solid plastic box with a
lid. You're going to spend a fortune on postage anyway, so make it worth
it. Inside the plastic box, either pack the origami close enough (so use
a box just the right size for those 250 models), or use a few smaller
(thin cardboard) boxes to pack maybe 10-50 pieces together. If you're
not in a hurry, you can send the packet by surface mail.

Better yet, make the temple pay for your airplane ticket, and fold the
origami on site. Might not be much more expensive than postage, but much
more fun.

Matthias

Kimberly Shuck wrote:
> another box in biodegradable peanuts. I need to ship slightly over 250 models
     to
> a temple one ocean and many overland miles away. The thought of individually





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:39:41 +0200
Subject: Re: Tyvek

Anna Weathers wrote about Tyvek:
> unlike Douglas Zander, I found it kept its creases.

You're not supposed to fold humans anyway!

Matthias





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:05:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Locals

----- Original Message -----
From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>

> I'm back to Davis tomorrow, I would like to know if there are any
> paperfolders in the area, especially origami clubs around Davis in oh
about
> 1/2 hour driving range.  That would include Davis, West Sac, Woodland,
> Vacaville, even Valeho.
>
> David

So Sac doesn't count? I'm offended. You might check the bulletin board
outside the Davis Co-Op (with the ugly new paint job that everyone says they
like). I know of no groups, but I've not really looked. My chunks of folding
time are highly irregularly spaced. Am I a loony or didn't I read another
folder's e-mail address on a posting as ucdavis....hmmmmm, might want to
check the archives. All the best - c!!





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:08:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Everlasting MIME junk...

Christopher Holt wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
> >
> > Until an Office-and-E-mail-settings-super-expert gives me some decent
> instructions, I give up. Sorry for the junk, folks!
> >

Christopher Holt responded:
>
> I'm really out of the loop on this one, as I've not been getting junk with.

Nor am I.
Kim





From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:26:49 -0500
Subject: Locals

I'm back to Davis tomorrow, I would like to know if there are any
paperfolders in the area, especially origami clubs around Davis in oh about
1/2 hour driving range.  That would include Davis, West Sac, Woodland,
Vacaville, even Valeho.

David





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:30:23 +0200
Subject: [NORM] The Guide.

On the subject of THHGTTG models: There are comic books made from the
first two books of the Guide, published by DC in the USA a few years
ago. The German edition is available from Zweitausendeins. Perhaps this
could be used as a starting point.=20

Oh, the Jatravartids would make a great origami model: They are a race
small blue creatures with more than fifty arms each, and are insofar
unique that they are the only race in the universe that invented the
aerosol deodorant before the wheel.

And what about Marvin, the paranoid android? Or the ravenous bugblatter
beast of traal?

> The fifth book must have a title like "One time rupert and return"

No, sadly not. The German publisher apparently decided that the original
title "Mostly Harmless" was not fancy enough, so he (it?) made up a
completely different title. ("Einmal Rupert und zur=FCck".) But since the
fifth book is not worth reading anyway, that's not much of a
problem. ;-)

--=20
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.d=
e
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!=





From: "Margaret A. Rioux" <mrioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:29:49 -0400
Subject: Origami sighting

here's another origami sighting. I'm spending two weeks at the Univrsity
of Virginia for a couple of short courses and was wandering through the
bookstore (note to my husband - I didn't buy anything)x. To my amazement I
spotted "Cootie Catchers" for sale for $3.95
each. They were billed as fortune tellers and the outside of the paper
has some very nice pictures on it - mummies, Egyptians, fortune-telling
types of illustrations. I don't know the strength of the paper - wasn't
about to spend the $$ to find out. However, it's nice to know there's a
market for origami!
Maggie Rioux

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From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:14:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Everlasting MIME junk...

>
> Christopher Holt wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
> > >
> > > Until an Office-and-E-mail-settings-super-expert gives me some decent
> > instructions, I give up. Sorry for the junk, folks!
> > >
>
> Christopher Holt responded:
> >
> > I'm really out of the loop on this one, as I've not been getting junk with.
>
> Nor am I.
> Kim
>

looks good to me as well.

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:05:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Asiaweek magazine on New Japanese Origami

I found the article, but not the pictures...

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Mark and Theresa <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:52:47 +0100
Subject: Dragon and [NO] MIME

The dragon was in a BOS convention pack from ages back, so I don't know
how you could get hold of the diags. If you are a member of anOri
society (eg BOS) try their library.

On another matter your last message had 80+ lines of junk attached to
it! It seemed for a while that you had it sorted. I don't use Outlook so
I can't really help - but have you tried writing messages directly in
Outlook and not in Word first. I know for a fact that a word file is 75%
junk (eg a 12k file has only 4k of text). A really possible solution
would be to fire up your browser and head over to something like
qualcomm.com (for Eudora) or Download.com and choose a different reader!
Unless you are definitely stuck with MS products it might make life
easier a certainly slim down your memory/HD requirements.

Before everyone attacks me I am not speaking from a
Mac's-are-better-and-MicroSoft-is-the-product-of-the-Devil stance...even
if it is true ;) I have used Outlook (and it killed my machine); I am
stuck with Office at work (so I save files out to disk and drop them
into the Mac for getting the presentation right - though AppleWorks is
available on both platforms now). However my browser of choice is
Internet Destroyer - go figure!

Oh dear! Too much waffle and not enough folding. Back to step 34 fail t
follow the (Japanese) annotated diagram . Step 35 throw away. Step 1
take a square....

--
Mark





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:32:14 +0200
Subject: Everlasting MIME junk...

To whom it may concern:

Until an Office-and-E-mail-settings-super-expert gives me some decent
     instructions, I give up. Sorry for the junk, folks!

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Caleb Cheung <caleb@OUSD.K12.CA.US>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:41:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Group order for Gilgado Gomez's book?

I wrote Fernando Gilgado Gomez directly about obtaining his new book
"Monstruos De Papel" (Origami Monsters).  Last week I received a polite
letter with instructions to send money to his account as follows:

Argentaria Caja Postal
Bank: 1302
Office: 0199
Control Number: 79
Count Number: 29-96.803.586

I live in the United States and the price he quoted me was $23 per book
(includes shipping).  Doug, is this close to the price that KimCrane is
asking?  I have not yet looked into ways to send the money.  I assume
the "account" information is a bank account.  Does anyone know how I
would get the money to his account?  Do I need an international postal
order? I've never used one before.  For anyone interested, here's his
address again:

Fernando Gilgado Gomez
C/ Valdecanillas 65, 2-C
28037 Madrid, Spain

I hope this information helps.

Caleb Cheung
Oakland, California, USA
The Niche - http://ousdmail.ousd.k12.ca.us/~caleb





From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:44:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Mesh vs foil paper

At the New York convention I took a course on copper mesh folding.  It was
my impression that metal could not be unfolded, but the copper fine mesh
that was provided folded and unfolded easily.  It was posible to fold
straightline origami fogures (I folded an owl) as well as mold  as one
would in wet folding.  The material is therefore quite versatile, but very
expensive.  I would imagine that it could be sent in the mail in numbers
because of its rigidity without the need the box each one saparately.
    I generally do not use anything but paper backed foil paper.  Recently
I have been using nothing but American heavy foil in pastel or dull shades.
I usually take ten inch paper and cut them into four five-inch squares.
Folding intricate details, such as th thin legs and feet for my standing
crane (Modern Origami), requires attention to details in folding.  The net
result however is that the folded figures are fairly sturdy, a desirable
condition under any circumstances, particularly for long term preservation
and ease of sending.  It is possible to throw in a bunch of figures folded
from heavy foil paper into a shoe box without much harm to any of them.
For sending one can lay them in a box between layers of tissue paper.  What
I find difficult in sending are flower arrangements, with branches of
flowers and leaves spreading out in different directions.  James M.
Sakoda,web page:   http://idt.net/~kittyv





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:22:27 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Everlasting MIME junk...

This is Kalmon soft-pedaling
into this dangerous area:

Dear Julia - Please do not give up yet

I have been expecting Roberto Morassi to come
to your rescue a long time ago.
But he is probably on Holiday

So I found this old advice, which he sent
to me some time ago when Thok 99 had trouble.
==================================
Roberto Morassi  was telling me the
the Great and Glorious Kalmon
to pass on this message to the old geezer Thok 99.

1) that resizing drawings is still a desirable feature - not just for the
file size, but to avoid scrolling the picture all round the screen to see
it....

2) that HTML formatting in e-mail messages is undesirable as it produces
useless attachments which waste time and disk space. Here is what to do
with Outlook Express:
------------------------------
Menu TOOLS-->OPTIONS-->SEND. Enable "Plain text" for "Mail sending format"
and "News sending format". Disable "Reply to messages using the format in
which they were sent".

More info's on this website:

http://www.ping.be/houghi/nohtml/
---------------------------------
Roberto
=================================
You can do it -
If nothing else helps - then write your e-mail directly in
the form provide when you click answer to author.

Regards from

Kalmon the great and Glorious
www.thok.dk
thok@thok.dk





From: marty <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:49:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Fuse single sheet boxes

I would like to buy this book -- can anyone tell me a place to order it from
-- either online -- or by mail or phone??
> I have recently received the Tomoko Fuse book (roughly translated to Boxes
> from a Single Sheet) ISBN4480872035.





From: marty <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:15:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Fuse single sheet boxes

thanks
-- Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 / Fax 805-965-2414 / email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: <<Http://www.modelshops.com>> and <<Http://www.papershops.com>>
and <<Http://www.boxstar.com>>

----------
>From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Fuse single sheet boxes
>Date: Mon, Jul 19, 1999, 6:59 AM
>

> Marty-
>     You can find the Fuse book at the site origami-usa.org in their on line
> store. Item #B20-258. Have fun!
> Scott





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:34:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

>Christopher Holt asks:
>Why are some people getting junk and other not?
>Who is getting junk?
>What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
>What about their settings?
>
>I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...
>
>Julia
>
>begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
>M>)\^(C<-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`

After several messages from you with no junk, this one had it.  I cut off
all but the first two lines.  Is that Winmail.dat a clue?  Are you using
Windows mail sometimes and not other times?

I use Eudora light on a PowerMac.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:40:55 -0700
Subject: Re: NO:Re:Re:YES-NO The Guide.

>>As long as origami challenges don't mean I have to be able to fold it
>>too (Hi Peter!) I challenge all creators to create action model of
>>guided missile which can be turned into either a bowl of petunias or
>>a very surprised looking sperm whale.
>
>
>What was the name of the planet that was so concerned about losing mass
>(because of the number of tourists taking souvenirs) that you had to get a
>receipt after using a restroom?
>Thanks
>Scott

That was the fabulously beautiful planet Bethselamin.

It is harder to fold from text descriptions than from pictures.  There are
so many different ways to imagine what is described.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:43:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Who is getting junk?

>I use Outlook too and haven't received any junk on Julia's mailings for
>quite a while now- do MY messages come through clean?
>
>Bernie wrote:
>
Yes, to my view all your messages have been clean, only Julia's have junk,
and only some of them.

It's not a big problem to me.  The junk comes at the end, so when I reach
it, I stop reading.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:49:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Mesh

>----- Original Message -----
>From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>
>> I'm curious, has anyone folded mesh?  What's it like folding origami mesh?
>> I've seen it but never tried it.
>>
>> David
>
>I've folded mesh frames to keep origami wanton and tortilla cranes together...

Metal mesh sounds interesting.  I'll have to try it some time.  I tried the
rayon mesh, and wasn't that happy with it.  It is hard to crease, and
doesn't lock well.   The effect of layers over each other was interesting,
as areas with more layers became more opaque, darker looking.  A vase I
folded with it looked very nice, but tended to unfold itself over time.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:33:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Tyvek

The best use I have found for tyvek is in making wallets and credit card
holders. The stuff lasts a very long time. There is a particularly good
wallet model in one of Gay Merrill Gross' books _The Art of Origami_ or
whatever it's now titled in its latest incarnation, designed, I think,
by Nick Robinson. I use recycled Fedex envelopes and simply cut them to
size.

Cheers,
Terry Rioux





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:49:32 -0700
Subject: Tension Shaping (was Re: Mesh)

At 07:49 99/07/19 -0700, Anna Weathers wrote:
>Metal mesh sounds interesting.  I'll have to try it some time.  I tried the
>rayon mesh, and wasn't that happy with it.  It is hard to crease, and
>doesn't lock well.   The effect of layers over each other was interesting,
>as areas with more layers became more opaque, darker looking.  A vase I
>folded with it looked very nice, but tended to unfold itself over time.

The rayon mesh does tend to try to unfold itself. But it is perfect for
those sorts of models that exploit that unfolding tendency by using the
tension to actually lock the model into shape. My favourite example of this
technique is Herman von Goubergen's "gorilla", although that model is
probably a bit too complex to fold with mesh. A much more accessible model
of this sort would be the traditional crane. I've been playing with this
technique a lot lately, and have coined the term "tension shaping" to
describe it (in consultation with D'gou). Speaking of whom, D'gou has folded
Kawasaki's rose out of the mesh and it is fabulous. He's also done my
snowflake.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:51:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

On 19 Jul 99, at 15:05, Julia Palffy wrote:

> Christopher Holt asks:
> Why are some people getting junk and other not?
> Who is getting junk?
> What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
> What about their settings?
>
> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...

Well, some folks might be using mail agents that filter it out, but
you're still generating it.  This from this very message:

> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...
>
> Julia
>
> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
> M>)\^(C<-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`
  [...etc...]

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:59:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuse single sheet boxes

Marty-
    You can find the Fuse book at the site origami-usa.org in their on line
store. Item #B20-258. Have fun!
Scott





From: marty <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:04:45 -0700
Subject: metal mesh

Years ago -- I saw a wonderful FULL SIZE horse model at a Carpinteria, Ca
high school art show. It was folded (formed?) out of small-cell chicken wire
(fencing).





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:06:09 -0400
Subject: NO:Re:Re:YES-NO The Guide.

>As long as origami challenges don't mean I have to be able to fold it
>too (Hi Peter!) I challenge all creators to create action model of
>guided missile which can be turned into either a bowl of petunias or
>a very surprised looking sperm whale.

What was the name of the planet that was so concerned about losing mass
(because of the number of tourists taking souvenirs) that you had to get a
receipt after using a restroom?
Thanks
Scott





From: Scott Cramer <scram@LANDMARKNET.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:14:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

I use Outlook too and haven't received any junk on Julia's mailings for
quite a while now- do MY messages come through clean?

Bernie wrote:

*****On 19 Jul 99, at 15:05, Julia Palffy wrote:

> Christopher Holt asks:
> Why are some people getting junk and other not?
> Who is getting junk?
> What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
> What about their settings?
>
> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...

Well, some folks might be using mail agents that filter it out, but
you're still generating it.  This from this very message:

> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...
>
> Julia
>*****

Scott





From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:38:46 +0200
Subject: Re: YES-NO The Guide.

On 18-Jul-99, Torsten Drees (torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE) wrote:
>I think it will be difficult to develop something of Ford and
>Athurs story. Most of theses things are normal or very different from
>known characteristics. If you will show something as a paperfolded
>skupture, only a little group ( Origamist and althoug Adams-Fans)
>will see it.

As long as origami challenges don't mean I have to be able to fold it
too (Hi Peter!) I challenge all creators to create action model of
guided missile which can be turned into either a bowl of petunias or
a very surprised looking sperm whale.

'Totally mad,' he said, 'utter nonsense.  But we'll do it because it's
brilliant nonsense.  Come on, come on.'
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

Weyland-Yutani - Building Better Worlds





From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@CITGROUP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:39:15 -0400
Subject: Janet's Origami Comics Display at OUSACon

>Did anyone at the OUSA convention notice the display I had in the back of

>the Hospitality Area on Origami Sightings in the Comics?

>Janet Hamilton

I certainly did! It was great - I have a couple of them, but nowhere near as
extensive as your collection. Thanks for sharing!

Yaacov Metzger





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:51:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Everlasting MIME junk...

Sometimes I get the junk at the bottom, sometimes I don't.  This message
from Julia was fine.

                        Cathy

At 01:41 PM 99-07-18 -0700, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
>>
>> Until an Office-and-E-mail-settings-super-expert gives me some decent
>instructions, I give up. Sorry for the junk, folks!
>>
>
>I'm really out of the loop on this one, as I've not been getting junk with
>your e-mails. Maybe if we figure why some are getting it and some not, there
>might be settings on the recievers' sides that could use some adjusting.
>Perhaps if you print the junk and fold it properly, there is a message in
>there (not as likely). But one key question may be: Who is getting junk? (as
>well as what programs junk recievers v. non-junk recievers are using (along
>with what their settings are defaulted or set to)). Probably a silly
>solution, but I'd like to know why I can't read what some people are
>complaining about. All the best - c!!

******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: "K. A. Lundberg" <klundber@MNSINC.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:07:31 -0400
Subject: Re: shipping origami

> +Does anyone have a great trick for shipping many 3-d origami models at
once, or
> +do I need to behave as though I am just packing one and do it for each
piece?
> +When sending one piece I just wrap it in tissue, put it in its own little
box
> +and put the little box in a shipping box... but I have to send quite a
few
> +pieces, any suggestions (or is this another thing that is probably on
some FAQ
> somewhere)?

______________________________
My new favorite way of shipping orgami, especially three dimensional display
models is to use shredded paper.  It will fit into the crevices of the model
and protect its form and fluffed to fill any extra space in the box.  You
do, however, have to warn the recipient to unpack carefully so models don't
get throw away with the shreds.

(Just upgraded my mail program so I hope I have all the settings right.)

Kalei





From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:09:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Mesh vs foil paper

I've been following this discussion avidly, since I freaked over a copper
mesh dragon that Gerard Blais photographed at OUSA convention.  Click to
check it out,

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/8802/Convention/i27.html

                Cathy

> I'm curious, has anyone folded mesh?  What's it like folding origami mesh?
>> I've seen it but never tried it.
>>

At 10:44 PM 99-07-18 -0400, you wrote:
>At the New York convention I took a course on copper mesh folding.  It was
>my impression that metal could not be unfolded, but the copper fine mesh
>that was provided folded and unfolded easily.  It was posible to fold
>straightline origami fogures (I folded an owl) as well as mold  as one
>would in wet folding.  The material is therefore quite versatile, but very
>expensive.  I
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:16:54 -0700
Subject: www.paperfold.com

Some of you know about the online origami magazine that I've been working on
for the last year and a half. Well, the beta version of it is now available
for public viewing. Please take a look and let me know what you think. The
site is very graphics intensive, and requires one of the newer browsers.
Here is what you will need:

Windows: Netscape 4.0 or newer
         Internet Explorer 4.0 or newer
Mac: Netscape 4.0 or newer

Internet connection: 56K or faster

Basically, what you are getting is issue one of paperfold. The magazine is
really the equivalent of a CD-ROM online. You'll see what I mean when you
get to it. Comments should be sent to me directly at either
<josephwu@ultranet.ca> or at <paperfold@dnamedia.com>. Please don't plug up
the list with comments. Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:11:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

>
> Christopher Holt asks:
> Why are some people getting junk and other not?
> Who is getting junk?
> What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
> What about their settings?
>
> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...
>
> Julia
>
> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
> M>)\^(C<-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`

This was the first in quite a while that came this way.
Perhaps your settings were different?

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:05:45 +0200
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

Christopher Holt asks:
Why are some people getting junk and other not?
Who is getting junk?
What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
What about their settings?

I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...

Julia





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:11:24 +1000
Subject: Fuse single sheet boxes

Hi all,

I have recently received the Tomoko Fuse book (roughly translated to Boxes
from a Single Sheet) ISBN4480872035. I can't read Japanese, but usually I
can fumble my way through the diagrams and numerical hints (such as
1:root2).

With the above book I run into trouble on page 34 with the fifths
division, and again on page 46 with the sevenths. The paper no longer
seems to be "A" size (I have tried using A4 paper with no success). I
think the inset box is trying to give me hints, as is the discussion at
the back/front on division of a strip of paper, but I am failing to
decipher the clues.

regards to all

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Michael Janssen-Gibson                 e-mail: mig@isd.canberra.edu.au
ISD, Library                   phone/voice mail: +61 6 (06)  201 5271
University of Canberra
PO Box 1 Belconnen, ACT 2616





From: Morgana <morgana@AIRTEL.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:34:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Group order for Gilgado Gomez's book?

If you won't waiting for to buy the book, you can order it at the bookstore
ARANDA.
in Madrid.

Phone: 34 91 555 56 67.

I buy it there.

regards
N. Jenson





From: Penny Groom <penny@SECTOR.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:12:01 +0100
Subject: Prisoner in Texas requires origami pen pal.

I have had a letter from a prisoner in Huntsville  TX today who is on
death row.Their arts crafts program has been suspended due in part he
says to an escape last year by one of their inmates.

He asks if anyone in origamiland would like to write to him, if any of
you want to please email me privately for his address.

Penny

ps Mike K I have sent the letter to you in the mail as I think you might
be interested.

Penny Groom
Membership Secretary, British Origami Society
BOS Homepage
http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:59:18 -0700
Subject: Re: www.paperfold.com

At 17:56 99/07/19 -0400, Alec wrote:
>Cool idea -- but navigation is very unclear (at least with IE 5). Where's
>the 'complex diagrams' section?!

I've not tested with IE 5 yet, and there have been reports of problems with
it. Apparently good old Microsoft has decided to make significant changes in
the behaviour of Javascript (JScript) in IE 5, so there's a good chance the
site won't work properly in it. Please let me know *privately* what sorts of
difficulties you are having with the navigation.

As for the complex diagrams, there are none in Issue One.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:10:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

From:    "Margaret A. Rioux" <mrioux@WHOI.EDU>

>(note to my husband - I didn't buy anything)

That's a very, very good girl!!

Terry Rioux





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:41:14 -0700
Subject: Re: WELL, The Guide.

----- Original Message -----
From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>

> Perhaps the fjords of slatibartfass could be fold by
> Vincent Flodderer ;-)

Does anyone have a fold for a mouse of superhuman intelligence (Rattus broca
(that should be italicised)).





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:45:37 -0400 (
Subject: NO: re: Headers (meaning Footers).

I wish to express my thanks to all those subscribers who have sent messages
with heop about my problem. It's astonishing what a range of possible
solutions there are.

So far I have very busy with all too little time to wrestle with my computer
in an effort  to solve the problem, and I have had problem enough with
printer failure. But all your messages are now neatly printed out and filed
together and I am looking forward to a quiet half hour comparing your
solutions, reconciling them and trying to eliminate the boring hangers-on
whether at head or at foot.

Many thanks to all of you,

David Lister.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:48:10 -0700
Subject: Re: WELL, The Guide.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>

> Does anyone have a fold for a mouse of superhuman intelligence (Rattus
broca
> (that should be italicised)).

Make that Mus broca, and it can be italicised or underlined, but I'm now
afraid to fiddle with my settings, lest the last twelve months of my
shopping lists get attached accidently in code. All the best - c!!





From: "JacAlArt ." <jacalart@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:56:26 -0400 (
Subject: Re: www.paperfold.com

Cool idea -- but navigation is very unclear (at least with IE 5). Where's
the 'complex diagrams' section?!
~A

>From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>Reply-To: Origami List <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: www.paperfold.com
>Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:16:54 -0700
>
>Some of you know about the online origami magazine that I've been working
>on
>for the last year and a half. Well, the beta version of it is now available
>for public viewing. Please take a look and let me know what you think. The
>site is very graphics intensive, and requires one of the newer browsers.
>Here is what you will need:
>
>Windows: Netscape 4.0 or newer
>          Internet Explorer 4.0 or newer
>Mac: Netscape 4.0 or newer
>
>Internet connection: 56K or faster
>
>Basically, what you are getting is issue one of paperfold. The magazine is
>really the equivalent of a CD-ROM online. You'll see what I mean when you
>get to it. Comments should be sent to me directly at either
><josephwu@ultranet.ca> or at <paperfold@dnamedia.com>. Please don't plug up
>the list with comments. Thanks.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
>t: 604.730.0306 x 105   f: 604.732.7331  e: josephwu@ultranet.ca
>w: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:04:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Locals

Oops!  Sacramento is included, I was just naming some cities off the top of
my head in a good radius.

David





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:25:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami sighting

Maggie -

I also saw the "Cootie Catchers" for sale at Brown University Bookstore in
Providence, RI about a month ago.  Maybe it's a college thing now!!!!

MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Margaret A. Rioux <mrioux@WHOI.EDU>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 2:37 PM
Subject: Origami sighting

>here's another origami sighting. I'm spending two weeks at the Univrsity
>of Virginia for a couple of short courses and was wandering through the
>bookstore (note to my husband - I didn't buy anything)x. To my amazement I
>spotted "Cootie Catchers" for sale for $3.95
>each. They were billed as fortune tellers and the outside of the paper
>has some very nice pictures on it - mummies, Egyptians, fortune-telling
>types of illustrations. I don't know the strength of the paper - wasn't
>about to spend the $$ to find out. However, it's nice to know there's a
>market for origami!
>Maggie Rioux
>
>****************************************************************
>* Maggie Rioux                   | Email: mrioux@whoi.edu      *
>* Information Systems Librarian  | Voice: 508/289-2538         *
>* MBL/WHOI Library               | Fax:   508/457-2156         *
>* Woods Hole Oceanographic Inst. | Foot:  Clark Lab, Room 135  *
>* Woods Hole, MA 02543           |        Quissett Campus, WHOI*
>****************************************************************
>                **Be yourself - nobody else will!**
>            (seen on a building in Greenwich Village, NYC)





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:04:38 -0700
Subject: Re: origami sighting NYTimes Sunday magazine 7/18/99

----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>

>That, and the fact that you can't tip
> an attractive waitperson by making an origami bird out a Visa card...."
>
> Karen
> reeds@openix.com

ALWAYS have paper (and/or paper money) if you are going out to eat. Waitrons
appreciate cash tips, and paper, especially origami paper, is just a neat
thing to have on hand just in case. On flights I always carry a couple of
1x2 rectangles to fold jack-in-the-boxes with, just in case there is a child
that needs mollifying, and I usually have a few sheets of 1x1's available
should I need to fold my way out of a jam. All the best - c!





From: Bruce Stephens <bruce@CENDERIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:09:08 +0100
Subject: [NO] Re: Everlasting MIME junk...

Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH> writes:

> To whom it may concern:
>
> Until an Office-and-E-mail-settings-super-expert gives me some
> decent instructions, I give up. Sorry for the junk, folks!

Hmm.  Actually, the ones I've seen aren't MIME---they're just
uuencoded.

A quick search provided this:
<URL:http://www.brooklyn.com/theatre-sound/winmail.html>.

This suggests that Outlook (or possibly Exchange---although they're
quite different things, so I don't understand how confusion is
possible) may add this even if one person in the recipients list
doesn't have the setting switched on:

: Double-click on the name of each recipient in your Address Book.
: Turn off the option that reads Always send to this recipient in
: Microsoft rich-text format.
: This option needs to be set for each recipient of a message - if even
: one has this turned on, all recipients will still get the attachment.

It could be that when you reply to a message, we get this attachment
(perhaps because the list of recipients includes you or the original
author, or something), but when you send a fresh message, since the
mailing list is the only recipient, the attachment doesn't get
included.

It's not terribly important---Outlook users won't see the attachment
(because it's intended for Outlook's consumption anyway), and most
other user agents will hide it in some way.  The one I use renders it
as an unrecognised MIME attachment, for example (just a single line,
which I can click on to try to decode/save/whatever).





From: Jack Mello <jmello@MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:49:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

Julia,

  I was getting attachments that showed up as "Enclosure
(application/ms-tnef document)". Now the attachments are showing up as
"WINMAIL.DAT". Now here's the strange thing your last post (before this one)
over the weekend had no attachments what so ever.

  BTW I'm reading this with Outlook Express 4.5 for the Mac.

Jack...

----------
>From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?
>Date: Mon, Jul 19, 1999, 9:05 AM
>

> Christopher Holt asks:
> Why are some people getting junk and other not?
> Who is getting junk?
> What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?
> What about their settings?
>
> I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...
>
> Julia





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:51:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Mesh

I saw a picture of the Kawasaki Rose done in the rayon mesh that looked
fabulous.

MASD

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Mesh

>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
>>
>>> I'm curious, has anyone folded mesh?  What's it like folding origami
mesh?
>>> I've seen it but never tried it.
>>>
>>> David
>>
>>I've folded mesh frames to keep origami wanton and tortilla cranes
together...
>
>
>Metal mesh sounds interesting.  I'll have to try it some time.  I tried the
>rayon mesh, and wasn't that happy with it.  It is hard to crease, and
>doesn't lock well.   The effect of layers over each other was interesting,
>as areas with more layers became more opaque, darker looking.  A vase I
>folded with it looked very nice, but tended to unfold itself over time.
>
>Anna
>
>Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
>"In paradox truth."





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:09:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Tension Shaping and bio sketch

>
>The rayon mesh does tend to try to unfold itself. But it is perfect for
>those sorts of models that exploit that unfolding tendency [...]
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer

Ah, the advantages of greater experience.  No doubt as my origami gnosis
increases, I will think of things like exploiting the tendency of a
material to unfold.  I never even thought of that.  Interesting.

Small bio.  I am 34.  Although I had done some simple folding before, last
fall I decided to "get serious" about origami.  Inspired in part by some
beautiful paper I found on a trip to San Francisco, and in part by some
conversations with a good friend, I folded all the models in a couple
classic books, and began gathering more.  I have the soul of a generalist
-- it is easy for me to gain a light understanding of a subject, so I'm
more inclined to move on to the next hobby than pursue one in depth -- I
decided to try to make origami an exception to the pattern.  Tomoko Fuse's
work stunned me with the depth of 3-D geometric understanding it displayed.
My husband found me Joseph Wu's site, and from there I explored net
resources and joined the origami list.

Science fiction and music have interested me all my life.  I play guitar
and piano and sing, amateurishly.  I have a degree in English with minors
in math and history.  At various times, other hobbies have included
advertising, gardening, role-playing and strategy games, movies, embroidery
and sewing, hypnotism and NLP, cohosting a BBS, community radio and space
activism.  I labored and eventually accounted on the family farm growing
up, and since have worked as a tutor, a waitress, and a bookseller.  Now,
I'm a homemaker.  Fortunately, Doug, my husband, fell into a family wage
career in computer networks, and doesn't mind earning all our money.  The
flexible time benefits of homemaking let me reduce the environmental impact
of our lives, entertain our cats, and continue to pursue hobbies.  We
stopped owning a car April of 98.

I feel very fortunate to have my life, and I'm enjoying the origami list.
Thanks to all for your contributions.  And summer is a great time for a
humourous thread!

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:44:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>

> ------------------------------Then----------------------------
>
> Kalmon von Balticum wrote:
>
> >I have been expecting Roberto Morassi to come to your rescue a long time
ago.
> >So I found this old advice, which he sent
> >to me some time ago when Thok 99 had trouble.
> >
> >Roberto Morassi  was telling me
> >
> >Menu TOOLS-->OPTIONS-->SEND. Enable "Plain text" for "Mail sending
format"
>

Under settings for "mail sending format", it should be set to uuencode
rather than mime, at least that is my understanding. Of course I use voodoo
to talk to my 'puter, and it uses psychologicl torture to bend me to its
will, so perhaps a less dysfunctional human/technology interface should
serve as our template. My experience is that Outlook Express is touchy about
contact with Eudora, and, I would guess, other mail programs as well. All
the best - c!!





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:45:24 -0700
Subject: Re: origami sighting NYTimes Sunday magazine 7/18/99

>
>ALWAYS have paper (and/or paper money) if you are going out to eat. Waitrons
>appreciate cash tips, and paper, especially origami paper, is just a neat
>thing to have on hand just in case. On flights I always carry a couple of
>1x2 rectangles to fold jack-in-the-boxes with, just in case there is a child
>that needs mollifying, and I usually have a few sheets of 1x1's available
>should I need to fold my way out of a jam. All the best - c!

Is that the jack-in-the-box from Origami for the Connoisseur?  Do you have
it memorized?  Do people memorize many models in general?  Complex ones?

I stick to simple things, like irises and starboxes, and Yoshizawa's
(well-known) butterfly for tip origami.  And I had a lot of fun teaching a
child who couldn't understand my speech how to fold Randlett's flapping
bird on my recent vacation.  We gave each other thumb's up when he
completed one himself.  Especially thrilling, since the first time I tried
it, I messed up.  If I hadn't had a copy with me, I'm not sure we ever
would have sorted it all out...

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:54:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Tension Shaping (was Re: Mesh)

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>

> The rayon mesh does tend to try to unfold itself. But it is perfect for
> those sorts of models that exploit that unfolding tendency by using the
> tension to actually lock the model into shape.

How about using that tension to establish some quirky action mechanism, that
might not be possible (or easy, anyway) with a more traditional type of
paper? I would be interested to hear thoughts on that subject... Also a
resource for said mesh would be dearly appreciated, should someone have such
information readily available. It seems that with multi-mesh-sheets, one
might be able to fold an action model that relies on one sheet's tendancy to
unfold to trigger another sheets action to pull the thing together again. A
simple example would be a see-saw that rocks on its own for some time, until
the tension has been exhausted or the mesh wears out. Just  a thought. All
the best - c!!!





From: Torsten Drees <torsten.drees@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:10:39 +0200
Subject: Re: WELL, The Guide.

YES

now i think it is a good (mad enough) idea to fold it.
perhaps i have to read the books one more time.

possibly we can get support from Mr. Adams.

Torsten

Perhaps the fjords of slatibartfass could be fold by
Vincent Flodderer ;-)





From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:22:41 -0400
Subject: Taiwanese paper art special exhibit in New York

I just found this information. There is a special exhibit at
Taipei Gallery, 1221 Ave of the Americas, New York, NY 10020
TEL: (212) 373-1854
from 7/8/1999 to 8/6/1999 Mon to Fri :11am to 6pm

The exhibit does feature some paper arts including paper sculpting, paper
cutting, paper tearing, and paperfolding from 6 Taiwanese artists. I don't
know any of the artists. Please visit there if you do get a chance. I am
especially interested because they are from my home country. If possible
post some photos or even email me privately. I don't think I would be able
to go there.

I am sorry for the late information. I would love to see more pictures.

Sy Chen (sychen@erols.com)





From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:53:09 -0400
Subject: origami sighting NYTimes Sunday magazine 7/18/99

The New York Times Sunday Magazine for 7/18/99, p 20, "The ethicist" column
by Randy Cohen.

R.B. of Dallas asked what's the ethical thing to do when his bank account
was mistakenly overcredited, but the bank ignored his letters about the
continuing problem.  The ethicist's reply, in part:
"...The bank's error--no matter how persistent--does not jsutify theft.
Your situation is undoubetedly frustrating. If you found a bag of cash that
no one came forward to claim, you would eventually be allowed to keep it.
Butall you've discovered are numbers on a bank balance. Such are the
vexations of the cashless economy.  That, and the fact that you can't tip
an attractive waitperson by making an origami bird out a Visa card...."

Karen
reeds@openix.com





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:22:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Who is getting junk?

Christopher Holt wrote:

>I'm really out of the loop on this one,

And you haven't heard me yet! ;-)

----------------------------Then--------------------------

Julia Palffy wrote:

>Who is getting junk?

When you write to me I don't get any junk but when I receive your mail from
the listserver, I do. Now figure _this_! :-)

>What programs are junk-receivers resp. non-receivers using?

Because of the above I don't think it would depend on the receivers' programs.

>I'm gradually beginning to wonder about that too...

Me, too, this thing is getting eiree...

Just to include once more what came at the end of your List-message, this
is how it started (as some people cited it, too):

>Julia
>
>begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
>M>)\^(C<-`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <`

Then more of these characters come which I cut here, and then the end is
like this:

>A````'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<``#QK
>`
>end

The key words (there are no more words in the "attachment", anyway...) are:

_________________________

begin "number" "filename"
...junk...
end
_________________________

And this looks to me as an effort from Outlook to attach a file (namely
"winmail.dat") to each letter, which the listserver software interprets as
mail. I suspect this because I have received several e-mails (from and
apart from the List) with HTML formatting, when the e-mail came, and then
the same thing in HTML was attached either at the end of the letter, either
in a separate file. But then again, when I received mail directly from
Julia I had no junk at the end of the letter, nor any attached
"winmail.dat" as a separate file in my attachment directory. So the myst
grows...

I think you should search how and/or why this "winmail.dat" is generated by
Outlook, because that seems to cause the problem.

------------------------------Then----------------------------

Kalmon von Balticum wrote:

>I have been expecting Roberto Morassi to come to your rescue a long time ago.
>But he is probably on Holiday

I guess he is.

>So I found this old advice, which he sent
>to me some time ago when Thok 99 had trouble.
>
>Roberto Morassi  was telling me
>
>Menu TOOLS-->OPTIONS-->SEND. Enable "Plain text" for "Mail sending format"

That should prevent Outlook from sending "winmail.dat"-s.

Well, all the best! When you found the roots of the problem, you could
write a detective story about the thing :-)

Peter Budai





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:22:17 -0400
Subject: Jorma in trouble?  (Re: YES-NO The Guide.)

At 10:38 AM 7/19/99 +0200, Jorma Oksanen wrote:

>As long as origami challenges don't mean I have to be able to fold it
>too (Hi Peter!)

Is that me, Jorma? Which model did you have trouble with? ;-)

Peter Budai





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:38:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Jorma in trouble?  (Re: YES-NO The Guide.)

----- Original Message -----
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>

> PB>>Back to the original idea, recently I am looking for weird,
> PB>> stunning ideas.
>
> JO>How about an action trashcan, with a small pedal at the bottom,
> JO>which when pushed will open the top.  (No, not many of my models
> JO>end up there, but...)
> JO>
> JO>More cans: a spray can with "spray" popping out.
> JO>
> JO>2*can: a can-can dancer, pulling up her hem when bent down :)
> JO>
> JO>Can of worms.
> JO>
> JO>So, "can" you?
>
a twig that blooms--cherry blossom, brown on one side, pink on the other.





From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:52:22 -0700 (
Subject: Re: Prisoner in Texas requires origami pen pal.

dear Penny,
Have not recieved Prisoner's letter yet. But thanks.
Should have money to you by end of month... thought you went away.
Mike Kanarek, 17 Clinton Ave., Kingston NY, 12401

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From: "Wu, Sonia" <swu@BANSHEE.SAR.USF.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:59:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Mesh

I bought a packet of that springy mesh and didn't like it at first--hard
to see the creases, not particularly attractive colors.  Not very
inspiring.  While working on origami to decorate the showcase dorm room
for our college's summer visitors, I thought this would be a good chance
to use it up.  (Yes, I even tend to hoard "paper" I don't like.)  Most
of it went into a 12-piece Ishibashi Ball.  The icky colors didn't
matter so much then, since they overlapped to make combinations of
color.  It was neat, too, to be able to see through the piece to a
certain extent.

Sonia Wu





From: Spider Barbour <spider@ULSTER.NET>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:27:13 -0500
Subject: Sr. Gilgado Gomez's libro de Monstruos

-- [ From: Spider Barbour * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Caleb and other interested o-listers -- I wrote to Sr. Gomez and
received the same reply.  When we went to our bank to perform the
transaction, the teller said they send money only to other banks owned by
their own company!
        They suggested we wire the money via Western Union, but that costs a
minimum of $16 regardless of how small the amount is that one is trying to
send!
        Singularly unhelpful!  So I'd be happy to be part of a group order.
     Anita
Barbour





From: david whitbeck <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:54:49 -0700
Subject: OUSA ordering

Does anybody know if anyone can order books from OUSA (such as Spirals I),
or is it only members?

David





From: lwhitney <lwhitney@GATEWAY.NET>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:32:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Sy Chen's Tea Set

Thanks to everyone who shared pictures of models from the Origami USA '98
Convention.  I recently viewed a Teapot and Teacups by Sy Chen on Joseph
Wu"s web site and agree that they are classic and very beautiful.  Are there
instructions for folding them?  I searched but did not find any diagrams.





From: Katie Myers <KaTiEGrL03@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:42:36 -0400 (
Subject: signing off

does anyone know how to get off this mailing list? I just needing info for a
school project 2 months ago, and i don't wanna keep getting all this mail.
thanx
katie





From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:03:40 -0400
Subject: outta here!

hey folks -- sorry i missed y'all at the convention, i couldn't get the
time off from work. i promise i'll be there next time.

anyway, my girlfriend and i are taking a leave of absence from college here
in boston and moving to maine to de-stress for a year. i wondered if there
are any origamians in maine -- i doubt there's a club but hey, we could
start one...

just curious :>

peace,
alasdair

p.s. jeannine -- i've been folding business cards lately, have come up with
some neat geometric shapes when i add pyramidal shapes to the sides of your
traditional cube form. of course, i'm sure you've already thought of that ;>
