




From: Joyce Saler <ladyada@TIAC.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:14:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Toshi Takahama

Many thanks David for your tribute to Toshi Takahama. I had the good
fortune to be in her class in 1988 when the OUSA still held their
conventions in a middle school on the upper West side of New York. It was
my first convention and the label  Simple was what placed me in Takahama's
class. The model she taught was A Yamanashi's purse which has since been
published both by the BOS with diagrams by Rick Beech and in ORU, vol. 2
(pg. 62).

I have two models of the purse from that class which leads me to think that
one of Toshi's cheerful folding aids who came to the convention with her
helped me a lot! Michael Shall introduced Toshi to the class in his most
gracious manner before assuming the role of ticket taker because the class
was over sold. She was as graceful in person as you would assume from her
pictures and did indeed speak English although I think that there was also
a translator.

Our gift for being students in this class was a masu box with a raised
twist on top. The paper is a tiny geometric print and as an indication of
her  attention to detail, the patterns of the top and bottom of the box
match! Inside the box is the real gift, a pair of curved toe elf shoes
measuring 3/4 inch in length, 1/2 inch in height.  We were informed that
she had folded these gifts for her students on the flight to New York.

She certainly was an international treasure.

Joyce Saler





From: Dave Mitchell <davemitchell@MIZUSHOBAI.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:15:29 +0100
Subject: Origami and the Discworld

Don't know if Terry Pratchett practises origami but it does crop up
occasionally in his books, the most famous instance being where his
character Lord Hong orders an execution by folding a model of a headless
man - having previously promised not to order it in either speech or
writing, I believe.

I can't recall precisely which of the Discworld books this is in.

Dave Mitchell





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:17:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami and the Discworld

At 12:15 99/07/15 +0100, you wrote:
>Don't know if Terry Pratchett practises origami but it does crop up
>occasionally in his books, the most famous instance being where his
>character Lord Hong orders an execution by folding a model of a headless
>man - having previously promised not to order it in either speech or
>writing, I believe.
>
>I can't recall precisely which of the Discworld books this is in.

"Interesting Times".
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From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:31:31 +0800
Subject: elephant paper

A few snippets of trivia - for many months my daughter truly believed the
giant rolls of paper heading to the newspaper printing works were elephant
toilet paper... maybe I wasn't so wrong after all.
Regarding the mathematically challenged - it's nothing to do with gender
after all.  In North America you simply do one at a time MATH, while the
rest of the world does MATHS - a far more complex issue.  I should have been
educated elsewhere..........  Mind you, now I'm a public servant spending
millions on hospitals, who cares if the numbers don't add up!
As to the laundry - if you fold it really neatly and leave it to people up,
by the time it's about to topple over you will find the stuff at the bottom
is flat enough to wear, especially on a cold dark morning.
Finally, and I know she would appreciate humour attached to her name, my
love goes out to Takahama san, whom I was most fortunate to meet a number of
times.  I treasure her cards which are works of art, and realise that she
probably inspire my use of origami as a decorative art more than anyone
else.  I think I just saw her sliding on the rainbow just outside my
window......





From: madawson <madawson@SPRYNET.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:20:01 -0700
Subject: Signing off

Sadly, as of Monday July 19, 1999 i will  be signing off the Origami List.
Perhaps I will be able to join again in the fall.  There are just too many
to read and the room that the computer is in is not air-conditioned.  Thank
you all for a wonderful experience.  I feel as if I have gotten to know so
many fellow Origamians so well.

Please feel free to send any personal notes or messages to me at
madawson@sprynet.com

Thanks again.

MaryAnn Scheblein-Dawson

"Fold something.  You'll feel better!"





From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:35:53 -0500
Subject: term for person who does origami

I'm new to origami and to this fantastic list.
Is it "correct" to refer to people who do origami as origamists, origamians,
or people who do origami, or a term I've not heard?
Thanks.
James Storrs
Waco, Texas





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:22 +0200
Subject: Eric Joisel diagrams (was Re: OUSA Convention pictures)

The rooster (and also the rat!) is in the Convention book of the 10th
Origami Deutschland meeting- that's the same where John Montrolls Coyote
is in, along with lots of other wonderful models by Kunihiko Kasahara,
John Montroll, Nick Robinson, and Peter Budai, to name just a few.
Forgot the e-mail address (something like salzundpfeffer@t-online.de),
but I'm sure Sebastian can help me out again...

All the best,
Matthias

Pete wrote:
>
> I am impressed with the models by Eric Joisel.  Does he have any books?  I
> saw the diagram of the rooster on Joseph Wu's page and I was wondering if
> there is any publication I can purchase which would have the diagrams for
> it.  My parents have a restaurant called the Red Rooster and they collect
> roosters.  I'd love to be able to fold one for them.  I have a large roll of
> red Fadeless paper which would work great.





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:54:14 +0200
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams (was Re: OUSA Convention pictures)

On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 03:12:22PM +0200, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> The rooster (and also the rat!)

and an intermediate dragon

> is in the Convention book of the 10th Origami Deutschland meeting

> Forgot the e-mail address (something like salzundpfeffer@t-online.de),
> but I'm sure Sebastian can help me out again...

The address is correct; although it's not clear at the moment whether
Silke will go on selling Origami Deutschland supplies, she will surely
be able to help you out.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:42:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [No] Re: Geezerhood.

Andrew Borloz wrote:
>
> According to Webster's dictionary, the definition of a geezer is: a queer,
> odd, or eccentric man.
>
> Based on the definition above, and as far as I am concerned, being a geezer
> has nothing to do with the age. Anyone can be a young geezer or an old geezer.
>
> &rew (and-rew)
> A Middle-Aged Geezer

I was wondering how long it would take someone to dig out a
dictionary!

Perry (Geezer in good sitting)
--
pbailey@opencominc.com
http://www.afgsoft.com/perry/  <---- Origami Web Page with
Diagrams!
ICQ 23622644





From: marty <mrcinc@SILCOM.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:08:28 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

Origamaniacs is OK.
If they are mothers, Origamimommas or Origamimamas works.
If they write about Origami -- they are origamiographers.
And David Lister is an Historigamiographer.

-- Martin R. Carbone / 1227 De La Vina St. / Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Tel: 805-965-5574 / Fax 805-965-2414 / email: mrcinc@silcom.com
Websites: <<Http://www.modelshops.com>> and <<Http://www.papershops.com>>
and <<Http://www.boxstar.com>>

----------
>From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>To: ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: term for person who does origami
>Date: Thu, Jul 15, 1999, 12:35 PM
>

> I'm new to origami and to this fantastic list.
> Is it "correct" to refer to people who do origami as origamists, origamians,
> or people who do origami, or a term I've not heard?
> Thanks.
> James Storrs
> Waco, Texas





From: Doug and Anna Weathers <dougw@RDROP.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:57:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Origami and the Discworld

>Don't know if Terry Pratchett practises origami but it does crop up
>occasionally in his books, the most famous instance being where his
>character Lord Hong orders an execution by folding a model of a headless
>man - having previously promised not to order it in either speech or
>writing, I believe.
>
>I can't recall precisely which of the Discworld books this is in.
>
>Dave Mitchell

That would have to be Interesting Times.  Strangely, I can't recall the
math-working camels.  Maybe because it was in the one where Death joins the
foreign legion to forget.

Anna

Anna Weathers, Portland, Oregon, USA
"In paradox truth."





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:09:30 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

At 15:51 99/07/15 -0500, you wrote:
>OK.  I had a hunch when I sent that open-ended question it was an invitation
>for merriment.  And I like making merry.  Enjoyed the responses so far.
>However, could I narrow the question to this:  Is either of the terms
>origamist or origamian commonly accepted as a one-word description of
>someone who "wrestles paper" or whatever fanciful  term you might prefer?

This should be in the FAQ if it isn't already.

Both "origamist" and "origamian" are acceptable. Other forms include
"origami artist" and "paperfolder". I prefer the latter.

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:32:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Toshi Takahama

I know that no disrespect was intended, but please note that the correct
spelling of Takahama-san's first name is "Toshie" and that the correct
pronunciation is "toe-shi-eh". In Japanese, "Toshi" is a boy's name.

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From: italic <italic@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:51:09 -0500
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

OK.  I had a hunch when I sent that open-ended question it was an invitation
for merriment.  And I like making merry.  Enjoyed the responses so far.
However, could I narrow the question to this:  Is either of the terms
origamist or origamian commonly accepted as a one-word description of
someone who "wrestles paper" or whatever fanciful  term you might prefer?
JMS





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:06:44 -0500 (
Subject: Re: Origami List: YES...NO!

Do you mean we should not no no origami but rather yes yes origami?
if we no no origami then we know no origami is present, on the other hand
if we yes origami then what would happen if someone answers a no origami
question with a yes word in the subject header?  then some people would
believe that we are talking about yes origami rather than know that we
are answering yes to a no origami that should have been a no in the first
place.  all I know is we should stick with no when no origami
is present and no yes when origami is present.  Am I making myself perfectly
clear?

>
> I don't know about you, but it would make it a lot easier for me if mail
> directly related to Origami were marked [Yes] rather than the obverse
> [No] which seems rather difficult to define. I could then read the [Yes]
> messages and "Clean up" all the rest in one fell swoop.
>
> What do you think?
>
>                                     J.
>
>
>

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:13:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami & Laundry

At 19:10 99/07/15 -0400, you wrote:
>I beg to differ. Origami involves folding (and sometimes unfolding) one piece
>or more of paper into something of a more somewhat permanent nature. Laundry
>always involves folding and unfolding the same thing that has been folded and
>unfolded a hundred, thousand, zillion times before much to the irritation of
>most people.

Ah, so is there a connection between laundry folders and modular folders? 8)
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From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:20:37 -0400 (
Subject: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

Origami-L  at  Origami@mitvma.mit.edu  Headers (meaning Footers)  15Jly 99.

I've accepted them meekly for as long as I have been subscribed to the
Internet.

I'm referring to those boring and incomprehenible (but no doubt sometimes
important) lines of text, figures and symbols, half a page long, that appear
at the end of every e-mail message and which recount the journeys the message
has taken to get from there to here. If I want to print out an e-mail, I
either have to waste paper and ink and time on printing the whole of the
message including the header or else laboriously set about deleting it the
header manually.

However, I wonder whether all subscribers actually receive these so called
"Headers". (I'm not referring to the real headers at the beginning of the
Message.) Do different mail programs handle them differently?

I know that I can take each incoming message separately and use the mouse to
select the header and and then delete it by pressing Delete. What I should
like to know is whether theheders can be switched off or whether there is any
method of deleting automatically.

I wonder, for instance, how Maarten van Gelder handles them for the archives.

I'm sorry for sending yet another messge with no Origami content, but I
should very much like some advice.

David Lister.





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:20:39 -0400 (
Subject: Pure, Functional Origami out of Corrugated Cardboard.

Thank you to Martin R. Carbone (Marty) for an unusual, but fascinating
posting about corrugated cardboard.

Yes, Martin, I looked at all of the pages you mentioned on your site. I
printed them out , clipped them together and recorded them and your novel
Computer Platform in my historical files for posterity.

Actually, functional uses of Origami are not that rare: think, for instance
of all the envelopes, bags and containers, not forgetting printers' hats,
coasters and the like that can be made from paper by pure origami techniques.

I have, too, a book on "Creative Corrugated paper Craft by Rolf Hartung,
published by B.T.Batsford Ltd. of London in 1966. (It was a library throw-out
that i got for 25p.) It's mainly about cut and constructional corugated
cardboard and doesn't contain much pure folding: certainly nothing one would
call origami, but it's most interesting and creative to find what can be done
with the medium. I always like the tactile feel of corrugated cardboard and
the crisp way it folds across the corrugations. I tend to save it from
parcels I receive until the house is overflowing with it and then something
has to go!

I dare say that if I needed a prop for my computer screen, I might have
screwed up a piece of corrugated cardboard. But the way you have made your
platform is a beautiful stroke of ingenuity. It's the sort of creative
origami I admire. And only three creases! Mini Folding at its best!

Keep up the initiative!

David Lister.





From: Michael Clark <mdc@IVC.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:25:17 -0400
Subject: Coyote

deg wrote:

> Date:    Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:50:34 -0700
> From:    Deg Farrelly <DEG.FARRELLY@ASU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Montroll's new book (Howling Coyote)
>
> <<From:    Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
>Subject: Re: Montroll's new book
><stuff deleted>
>Oh, another picture of the coyote is on
>http://home.t-online.de/home/skirsch/JMontroll-Coyote.html.>>
>
>But where's the neckerchief/bandana?
>
> deg farrelly
> StickmanAZ@aol.com

... which reminded me that he has designed a wonderful howling coyote,
COMPLETE WITH bandana!  Where's that diagrammed, deg?  Also, a very elegant
flapping butterfly (which I believe is in Lang's Origami in Action).

Thanks, deg!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Clark                    Phone: (919) 468-9901 ext. 101
IVC, Inc.                        mdc@ivc.com





From: Peter Budai <peterbud@MAIL.DATATRANS.HU>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:28:00 -0400
Subject: Back on the List

Hey everybody!

Just want to say hello after subscribing back to the List. I'm back from
the OUSa convention, yes it was fantastic and I don't want to write another
looong description of it, you all may have read one or better, been there,
to know what it was like.

After the convention I was lucky enough to participate at Mark Kennedy's
house at the Fold and feed organised by himself and his wise, Arlene
gorchov. (Thanks go to you two!) There was a houseload of folders, it was a
kind of a mini-OUSA-convention, in a very kind athmosphere. I had a great
time.

Well, hello again,

Peter Budai





From: Mike and/or Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:34:40 +0000
Subject: Re: sonic origami?

Nick,

I had heard about this album a few days ago and searched out this link which
lists the tracks on the album and has a picture of the cover.

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=switch/from=sr-4582011/ta
rget=buyweb_purchase/itemid=658355

I don't really see anything origami related.  Maybe I'll have to wait until
someone posts the lyrics to figure out the connection.

Janet Hamilton

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:35 AM
Subject: sonic origami?

> The new album by Uriah Heep (an ageing Brit rock band whom I last saw in
> 1972!) is called "Sonic Origami". I haven't seen the cover, but fear the
> worst!
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda
syphons!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Doug Philips <dwp@TRANSARC.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:37:17 -0400
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

> 'compulsive paperfolder' springs to mind.

I've always liked "Paper Wrestler" though I cannot recall who coined that
term. Those who like to make modular origami could be "Paper Wranglers", and
those who are very good could be "Paper Dancers," or, in another form: "Dances
with Paper."

-D'gou





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:39:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

My e-mail program allows me to select short headers or long headers. This
feature is under preferences: outgoing mail. I will admit I use an
obscure program (Claris Emailer), but I would think most software would
offer this option.

Hope this helps.

-Jane





From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:40:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

oops, I meant "incoming," not "outgoing" mail.

-Jane





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:41:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

Well, I tried to make this short and simple and the MIT computer
bounced it back to me because it looked like a listserv command. So,
I'm going to try to baffle said computer by starting out with a really
wordy intro. Sorry to those of you who pay by the bit.

To solve David Lister's problem, try this:

send e-mail to

listserv@mit.edu

with the message

set origami shorthdr

This should eliminate most of the mysterious header information.

Send e-mail to the same address and with the message "info"
for more information on mail formatting options.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:46:56 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Silke Schroedder and Viereck Verlag

There is rightly some anxiety that now that Paulo Multinho is no longer the
president of Origami Deutschland, his wife, Silke Schroeder may be giving up
selling Origami Books.

It should be remembered, however, that the bookshop, Viereck Verlag has
deliberately been kept separate from Origami Deutschland for legal reasons
and it was run by Silke, tecnically as her own business.

I soke to her about it at the Origami Deutschland Convention at Hildesheim
last month and Silke said she had no immediate intention of giving it up.
There are various problems, not the least is storing the enormous quantity of
books she stocks (probably second only to The Origami Source of Origami USA).
Silke finds it increasingly difficult to find capacious enough transport to
move all the books to and from Conventions in different parts of Germany. If
Silke did wish to give up Viereck Verlag, who would take it   over? I doubt
if nyone would run it as well, especially when it came to obtaining books
from Japan.

The BOS met the same sort of problem several years ago. No doubt, in time
Silke will feel she needs a break. She works very hard and has been immensely
successful. How she has managed it, I don't know. But the time may come when
she is the victim of her own success.

But let's hope that that will not be for a long time yet.

David Lister.





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:00:44 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>
> Both "origamist" and "origamian" are acceptable. Other forms include
> "origami artist" and "paperfolder". I prefer the latter.
>
 I prefer "papersmith" myself. All the best - c!





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:05:23 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

At 17:00 99/07/15 -0700, Christopher Holt wrote:
>> Both "origamist" and "origamian" are acceptable. Other forms include
>> "origami artist" and "paperfolder". I prefer the latter.
>>
> I prefer "papersmith" myself. All the best - c!

I should expand on my original message. I like "paperfolder" as a general
term, but I use "origami artist" to describe myself professionally.

As for "papersmith", there's no "smithing" involved in origami. Perhaps
"paperwright" would be better if you wanted something along those lines.

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From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:11:36 -0700
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI Digest - 14 Jul 1999 to 15 Jul 1999

Now I remember an ORU with an article showing lots of artistically folded
blankets in what looks like a cruise cabin. As I recall, there are even
diagrams for at least one of the blanket folds. They looked like napkin
folds to me, and the blankets looked to be of the "fleece"/polartek variety,
you know, the thin things you find in hotel rooms these days.

ORU #12 I believe, but I'm too lazy to hunt down my issue and confirm this.

pat slider.





From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:13:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Origami List

I think you might appreciate this listserv joke:

http://infinex.com/~ewolfram/noend/joke.html

Quite apropos of late.

pat slider.

>
> Date:    Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:42:08 -0400
> From:    good man <jess2800@WEBTV.NET>
> Subject: Origami List
>
> I don't know about you, but it would make it a lot easier for me if mail
> directly related to Origami were marked [Yes] rather than the obverse
> [No] which seems rather difficult to define. I could then read the [Yes]
> messages and "Clean up" all the rest in one fell swoop.
>
> What do you think?





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:20:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

On 15 Jul 99, at 16:20, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> I'm referring to those boring and incomprehenible (but no doubt sometimes
> important) lines of text, figures and symbols, half a page long, that appear
> at the end of every e-mail message and which recount the journeys the message
> has taken to get from there to here.

I assume you're referring to this kind of stuff:

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>  by mercury.rev.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21036
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>           V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:20:54 EDT
> X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by imo25.mx.aol.com
> Received: from DLister891@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id
> aFKMa28769
>           (14365) for <Origami@mitvma.mit.edu>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:20:38
>           -0400 (EDT)

if so, then again [as with your problem with MIME attachments], your mail
client is deceiving you and causing you grief [yet more indication, if
you needed more, that you REALLY need to find yourself a less-incapable
mail client].

This record of the message's 'journey' is specified by the protocol [RFC
822] and is generally considered a *required* field:

> 4.3.2.  RECEIVED
>
> A copy of this field is added by each transport  service  that
>         relays the message. ...

>         The names of the sending  and  receiving  hosts  and  time-of-
>         receipt may be specified.  The "via" parameter may be used, to
>         indicate what physical mechanism the message  was  sent  over,
>         such  as  Arpanet or Phonenet, and the "with" parameter may be
>         used to indicate the mail-,  or  connection-,  level  protocol
>         that  was  used, such as the SMTP mail protocol, or X.25 tran-
>         sport protocol.  [etc...]

Notice that it says "*IS* added" [emphasis mine].  And so as an email
message makes its journey from originator to the MLM at MIT and thence to
your mailbox, each server that handles the message will add another one
of these things.

*NOBODY* likes seeing them, they are very rarely of any real use [but
sometimes!!], and they are always a bit puzzling [and as you observe,
take up a fair bit of space...]

BUT: it is also the case that almost _no_ mail client displays them!!

As you scan the spec defining the headers of an email message, it is
clear that some are "system" ones, only of interest to the transport
servers and other internal handlers of the mail (Received:, Sender:,
Errors-to:,etc) , and that others are "user" ones, intended for the
eventual recipient of the message [Subject:, From:, etc].  [NB: the
protocol, itself, makes no such distinction, but one can make a fairly
reasonable judgement about the various header fields]

> ... If I want to print out an e-mail, I
> either have to waste paper and ink and time on printing the whole of the
> message including the header or else laboriously set about deleting it the
> header manually.

Well, your mail client stands clearly indicted again!

> However, I wonder whether all subscribers actually receive these so called
> "Headers". (I'm not referring to the real headers at the beginning of the
> Message.) Do different mail programs handle them differently?

Now I"m confused, so perhaps I don't know what you're referring to here.
An email message only has one set of "headers" --- there aren't real ones
and fake ones or anything else... about the most you can say, as I
mentioned above, is that there are "system" ones and "user" ones..  but
they are all mixed together in the actual "header" of the email
message... NONE occur at the end as footers or any other such thing, so
if that's what you're seeing, either you and I are not talking about the
same fields of the message or else your mail client is going to the
bother of pushing them down there.

As for "all subscribers", if the fields are the ones I mentioend above,
then the answer is "yes" --- those header fields are a *part* of the
message and we all receive them.

> .... What I should
> like to know is whether theheders can be switched off or whether there is any
> method of deleting automatically.

These is nothing to 'switch off', because the mail transport system uses
them internally as it routes the mail to you.  You cannot switch them off
any more than you can 'switch off' having to put a postage stamp on a
postcard becasue it is ugly and takes up space you'd rather use for the
message.

Further, it is rare that you want to 'delete' them.  Those fields that
you don't want to see can occasionally be useful, even after you have
received the message.  What you want is a mail client clever enough not
to _display_ them.

> I'm sorry for sending yet another messge with no Origami content, but I
> should very much like some advice.

Again, contacting someone familiar with the workings and configuration of
your particular mail client [and/or who can assist you in upgrading to
one that has fewer misfeatures] is the recommended course of action...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:27:46 -0700
Subject: [NO] Re: memory of an elephant.

At 20:27 99/07/15 -0400, you wrote:
>Why should an elephant ever have to write anything down on elephant dung
>paper if they have the memory of an elephant? And maybe this paper should be
>rolled on  cardboard tubes and used appropriately for you know what.

That reminds me of the joke about people not liking to each tongue because
they can't stand the thought of tasting something that can taste them back...

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From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:34:50 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

At 17:36 99/07/15 -0700, Christopher Holt wrote:
> True, true, true!!! But consider: I adopted the term while doing
>sheet-metal origami (10'x10'x1/8"steel), and it sure felt like smithing
>then. Less appropriate for paper, though, now that you mention it, though,
>I do enjoy "paperwright". Thanks! All the best - c

Ah, yes. I'd forgotten that you did ori-sheet metal. 8)
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From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:36:07 -0700
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
:
>
> As for "papersmith", there's no "smithing" involved in origami. Perhaps
> "paperwright" would be better if you wanted something along those lines.
>
 True, true, true!!! But consider: I adopted the term while doing
sheet-metal origami (10'x10'x1/8"steel), and it sure felt like smithing
then. Less appropriate for paper, though, now that you mention it, though,
I do enjoy "paperwright". Thanks! All the best - c





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:41:16 -0700
Subject: Re: memory of an elephant.

----- Original Message -----
From: <DORIGAMI@AOL.COM>

> Why should an elephant ever have to write anything down on elephant dung
> paper if they have the memory of an elephant? And maybe this paper should
be
> rolled on  cardboard tubes and used appropriately for you know what.
> Dorigami

And another thing...when elephants do origami, do they do it on elephant
dung or elephant hide? All thebest - c





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:49:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [No] Re: Geezerhood.

----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@OPENCOMINC.COM>
>
> I was wondering how long it would take someone to dig out a
> dictionary!
>
 Actually, this being a word day for me, I think that 'curmudgeon' is the
word we're looking for. Not having a Webster (neither Merriam nor Noah
(although I believe there is a copy of the Devil and Daniel Webster around)
despite hailing from the town that Isah Thomas--our nations first
lexicographer--called home) I cannot vouch for the spelling. I can, however,
vouch for the convoluted syntax there. All the best - c!





From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:54:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [NO] re Headers, (meaning Footers.)

On 15 Jul 99, at 16:41, Lisa Hodsdon wrote:

> To solve David Lister's problem, try this:
>
> send e-mail to
>
> listserv@mit.edu
>
> with the message
>
> set origami shorthdr
>
> This should eliminate most of the mysterious header information.

It doesn't say exactly what it does with 'shortheaders' --- does anyone
use this option and actually know what it does? [or do you all mostly
just let your client suppress the headers that you need not see?].

Certainly it can easily eliminate about 1/2 of the headers [and probably
the most cryptic and annoying ones] just by dumping the 'Received:'
headers.  As you say: that will probably go a long way toward
ameliorating David's problem.

There will almost certainly still be some noise around the edges [Sender,
Message-ID, MIT sticks in an "X-comment" header, etc] and I still think
that the _best_ solution for David, one that will expand his email world
and make email wondrous, convenient and near-magical, rather than cryptic
and a bother and laden with "state secrets", would be to move to a more
"modern" mail client.

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





From: Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:10:03 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami & Laundry

<So Origami and Landry folding are not two opposite things

I beg to differ. Origami involves folding (and sometimes unfolding) one piece
or more of paper into something of a more somewhat permanent nature. Laundry
always involves folding and unfolding the same thing that has been folded and
unfolded a hundred, thousand, zillion times before much to the irritation of
most people.

&rew.





From: Andrew Borloz <Cooknfold@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:10:04 -0400 (
Subject: [No] Re: Geezerhood.

According to Webster's dictionary, the definition of a geezer is: a queer,
odd, or eccentric man.

Based on the definition above, and as far as I am concerned, being a geezer
has nothing to do with the age. Anyone can be a young geezer or an old geezer.

&rew (and-rew)
A Middle-Aged Geezer





From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:17:03 -0400 (
Subject: Re: Origami and Laundry

In a message dated 7/14/99 8:33:21 PM, you wrote:

<<those crimp folds can get mighty irritating>>

I was thinking of the origamic ones placed during the folding of the more
personal items of laundry.

In any case, (pillowcase?), my husband claims one of the reasons he married
me was because I didn't mind doing laundry.  So it's good for something!

Merida





From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:27:19 -0400 (
Subject: Re: memory of an elephant.

Why should an elephant ever have to write anything down on elephant dung
paper if they have the memory of an elephant? And maybe this paper should be
rolled on  cardboard tubes and used appropriately for you know what.
Dorigami





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:45:41 -0500 (
Subject: Re: [NO] Origami and the Discworld

 Ok, you got me interested.  I wasn't paying much attention to this thread
 about this series of books and I deleted the email already.  Could someone
 tell me a little about this author?  Are his books like Douglas Adams'
 _Hitchhiker_ trilogy?  Are they funny?  Are they scifi?  What book should
 I start with?  Are they a continueing series?  Please email directly to me,
 I'm not sure the rest of list would be interested.  Thanks.

>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Doug and Anna Weathers wrote:
>
> > Strangely, I can't recall the
> > math-working camels.  Maybe because it was in the one where Death joins the
> > foreign legion to forget.
>
> I think the camels turned up in "Pyramids". I also remember an origami
> reference in "Men at Arms", where the night watch had discovered a piece
> of paper relating to a crime. To paraphrase heavily, it went something
> like:
>
> "What can you make of it, Searge?"
> "Well I could make a chrysanthemum, or a boat, or maybe a paper hat"
>
> regards,
> Michael
>
>
>

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:10:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams (was Re: OUSA Convention pictures)

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> > Forgot the e-mail address (something like salzundpfeffer@t-online.de),
> > but I'm sure Sebastian can help me out again...
>
> The address is correct; although it's not clear at the moment whether
Ha, my trusty assistant. Thanks a lot. I hope you don't expect to get
paid for this, do you?

> Silke will go on selling Origami Deutschland supplies, she will surely
> be able to help you out.

When I talked to her in Hildesheim it didn't sound as if she had plans
to close shop. But maybe she does.

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:13:56 +0200
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

italic wrote:
> or people who do origami, or a term I've not heard?

'compulsive paperfolder' springs to mind.

Matthias





From: Sjaak Adriaanse <S.Adriaanse@INTER.NL.NET>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:02:23 +0100
Subject: Fun in mathematics

At 07:20 -0400 14-07-1999, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:
>But for those who have not found the fun in mathematics, there is one of
>those  wonderful books published by Dawber Kindersley, which will surely
>reveal the magic of mathematics to the most resistant sceptic. It is "How
>Mathematics Works" by Carol Voderman.

When I was a boy, my father used to tell me of a mathematics book that he
had loved as a youngster, but that he had lost and could not find again. He
still remembered that it was called 'The Magical Garden of Mathematics' (my
translation from Dutch). Last year I found the book in an old books shop.
The book was written about 1939 by Alexander Niklitschek and translated
into Dutch. I bought it for my father and he was very pleased to see it
again.
The style of writing is old-fashioned, with very long sentences, and the
book is specifically written for those that fear mathematics. The reader is
introduced to powerful and helpful people like Mr. Cosine and taught how to
use a slide rule. Along the way, you pick up some fairly advanced concepts
like transcendental numbers, various kinds of infinity and fourth and
higher dimensions. I can see why my father loved it so much!

Greetings,
Sjaak Adriaanse

--------------------------------------------------------------
We perform the miracles.
                          Kate Bush





From: Christopher Holt <Ella-mae@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:24:42 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) RE: term for person who does origami

----- Original Message -----
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>

> Rachel Katz wrote:
> >My son used to tell his friends that I was "The origami mommy."
>
> I read this as "origami mummy
> Matthias

Would an origami mummy qualify as horrorgami?





From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@MAIL.PB.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:45:21 +0000
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

My son used to tell his friends that I was "The origami mommy."

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





From: Dorothy Engleman <FoldingCA@WEBTV.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:03:37 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) RE: term for person who does origami

Rachel wrote:

"My son used to tell his friends that I was
'The origami mommy.''

And Matthias replied:

"I read this as "origami mummy", and only the second time I realised my
mistake. Maybe we could adopt this as the official term for "old geezers
that do origami" ?"

Stop the music, I think we have a winner!

Dorothy, origami mummy-in-training





From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:29:15 -0500 (
Subject: I will summerize discworld info I get

This is to Julia and anyone else interested in knowing about discworld.
I have already received some information privately about the discworld
books.  Please email me any information about the books and I will post
a summary to the list in a few days.   Please do not post a lot of
non-origami articles to this list.

my email address: dzander@solaria.sol.net

--
 Douglas Zander                |
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
 Shorewood, Wisconsin, USA     |





From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:20:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Origami List: YES...NO!

>
> A masterpiece of clarity Doug!  One solution I've seen is to put NORM in
> the subject line (Non Origami Related Material)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
Are you implying that origami related material is not the NORM on
this list???

--
---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:52:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Eric Joisel diagrams (was Re: OUSA Convention pictures)

On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 10:10:43PM +0200, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> I hope you don't expect to get paid for this, do you?

My bill is in the mail ...

> > Silke will go on selling Origami Deutschland supplies, she will surely
> > be able to help you out.
> When I talked to her in Hildesheim it didn't sound as if she had plans
> to close shop. But maybe she does.

Silke's shop, the Viereck Verlag, is not concerned here. I was talking
about Origami Deutschland supplies, such as back issues of der falter or
convention books, which have always been sold by Origami Deutschland --
but since, for a very long time, Silke and Paulo *were* Origami
Deutschland, Silke sold those supplies too.

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:01:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Silke Schroeder and Viereck Verlag

On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 04:46:56PM -0400, DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:
> There is rightly some anxiety that now that Paulo Multinho is no longer the
> president of Origami Deutschland, his wife, Silke Schroeder may be giving up
> selling Origami Books.

Once again: I was talking about Origami Deutschland supplies, which are
sold by Origami Deutschland, not about origami books in general, which
are sold by the Viereck Verlag. It's just that the same person, namely
Silke, manage(s|d) these things.

Not wanting to start any rumours ...

--
Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:01:45 -0400 (
Subject: Re: (NO) RE: term for person who does origami

>From a historical point of view, even though it is a mixed breed of a word
combining Japanese and Enlish parts, "Origamist" is formed regularly in just
the same way as "Machinist" or "Scientist" i.e. one who works machinery or
one who practises science..

On the other hand, "Origamian" is an entirely artificial word. Sylvia
Rabinoff, the concert pianist suggested it to Lillian Oppenheimer as the name
for her paperfolding newslletter on the analogy of "The Oregonian", which is
a newspaper with a very high reputation circulating in the State of Oregon.
The oregonian is a paper coming from Oregon, not a person who practises
"Oregon", whatever that may be.

 "Origamian" was never intended to be the word for someone who practises
Origami. It would probably be more appropriate for someone born into or
living in the world of origami, without necessarily practising it. (Like me,
perhaps?)

"Origami Mummy" is a delightful confection. But don't forget that what is a
"Mommy" in Amercan English is a "Mummy" in British English and it could lead
to some confusion. The difference presumably originates from differences in
pronunciation. But at any rate the Americans have differently spelled words
for two completely different things (or people?)

On the other hand, I don't recall British children confusing their mummies
with the occupants of tombs in Egypt!

Incidentally, Is the "NO" prefix appropriate for this discussion? It seems to
me to be very properly about Origami.

When all is said and done, I, too, prefer the term "Paperfolder".

David Lister.





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:26:48 +0200
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

Joseph Wu wrote:
>This should be in the FAQ if it isn't already.
Which one is 'the' FAQ? We've got several floating around, and I'm sure
there are some we haven't heard of yet.

>Both "origamist" and "origamian" are acceptable.
Both terms are neither Japanese nor English, but rather 'Jenglish' or
'Englanese', a mixture of both. But as far as I heard they've been used
for several decades now in the english speaking world to describe
paperfolders.

>Other forms include "origami artist" and "paperfolder". I prefer the latter.
Personally, I reserve the term 'artist' for those origamists that
regularly create their own models, so I myself am just a humble
paperfolder. But Joseph certainly is an origami artist, and he's right
to use that term in business. Makes so much of a difference in the
account :-).

Matthias





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:27:39 +0200
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

I do hope you are collecting all the terms that are coming up!

Matthias

italic wrote:
>origamist or origamian commonly accepted as a one-word description of





From: Julia Palffy <jupalffy@BLUEWIN.CH>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:27:47 +0200
Subject: Re: [NO] Origami and the Discworld

Douglas Zander wrote:
Ok, you got me interested... Could someone tell me a little about this author?

I'd like to know something more about this series too.

Julia Palffy
Zug, Switzerland
jupalffy@bluewin.ch





From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:36:04 +0200
Subject: (NO) RE: term for person who does origami

Rachel Katz wrote:
>My son used to tell his friends that I was "The origami mommy."

I read this as "origami mummy", and only the second time I realised my
mistake. Maybe we could adopt this as the official term for "old geezers
that do origami" ?

Matthias





From: Kimberly Shuck <atsina@HOOKED.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:41:03 -0700
Subject: Re: (NO) Practical Military Fabric Origami: was Origami and Laundry

Terry Rioux said:

> No, but in boot camp we had to make up our bunks (in the navy we called
> them 'racks,' and for good reason) with hospital corners.  The Company
> Commander (equivalent to the Drill Instructor in the Army and Marine
> Corps would come by for inspection, and if he couldn't bounce a dime a
> certain height, your carefully made up bunk was torn apart to be made up
> and inspected again, and again, and again... Personally, I'd rather deal
> with fitted sheets!

I am the granddaughter of a drill sergeant and the daughter of a Navy
communications specialist and my brother and I went through this as kids. There
are very few aspects of either of our lives that we require precision in, so
those who get close enough to see beds and folded clothes are always amazed at
the hospital corners and carefully folded tee shirts and pants. It really does
stand you in good stead for travel, however. I visited every one of my
(countless) in laws in corners of asia that most tourists miss and only had one
carry on piece of luggage for all four weeks. If you fold stuff Navy style, it
all comes out of the bag without ghastly wrinkles and if you put the main folds
on seams, there are no strange fold lines either (events ranged from white tie
to rebuilding a fence in an ox enclosure... though the shirt I used for
rebuilding the fence never was quite the same afterwards). What's more, it's a
great conjuring trick to impress the nieces and nephews with... Auntie Kim's
endless bag of clothing.

I got started in origami because an elderly Japanese lady thought I had "smart
hands" and gave me a stack of paper and some remedial instruction. But I
probably would not have met her if dad was not in the Navy.

Kim





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:28:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [No] Re: Geezerhood.

>According to Webster's dictionary, the definition of a geezer
>is: a queer, odd, or eccentric man.

"queer"? I guess Webster doesn't worry about the implications
of slang.

American Heritage (AHD) says of a "geezer" "an eccentric old man"
which is certainly how it is commonly understood.

Of "curmudgeon" AHD says "a cantankerous person" which doesn't
help much.

Of "cantankerous" "Ill-tempered and quarrelsome; disagreeable."
I suspect it's true that most geezers are cantankerous.

Lisa (I'll never be a geezer.)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:19:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [NO] Fun in mathematics

At 23:02 99/07/15 +0100, Sjaak wrote:
>When I was a boy, my father used to tell me of a mathematics book that he
>had loved as a youngster, but that he had lost and could not find again. He
>still remembered that it was called 'The Magical Garden of Mathematics' (my
>translation from Dutch).
>The style of writing is old-fashioned, with very long sentences, and the
>book is specifically written for those that fear mathematics. The reader is
>introduced to powerful and helpful people like Mr. Cosine and taught how to
>use a slide rule. Along the way, you pick up some fairly advanced concepts
>like transcendental numbers, various kinds of infinity and fourth and
>higher dimensions. I can see why my father loved it so much!

There are two other similar books that I can recommend:

"The Number Devil" (it had a very different title in the original German).
"The Man Who Counted"
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From: David <dmwhitbeck@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:20:25 -0500
Subject: Re: (NO) RE: term for person who does origami

A term for a paperfolder like myself: the origami mangler.
Watch out he'll turn an otherwise beautiful model into a wrinkled up piece
of paper!

David





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:22:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Silke Schroedder and Viereck Verlag

DLister891@AOL.COM sez

>Silke finds it increasingly difficult to find capacious enough transport to
>move all the books

Added to this is the sheer effort required to carry dozens of heavy
boxes from a cellar up to the van, to the convention & then repeated on
the way home. Silke is not what you might describe as "musclebound"!

When you see a selection of books at a convention, you often take it for
granted, but as a member of the BOS supplies team, I can assure you that
an *enormous* amount of work has been put in to provide this service.

The only reward you seek (apart from lots of sales!) is a few words of
thanks - make sure Silke gets lots of these!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:23:37 +0100
Subject: Re: Origami List: YES...NO!

Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET> sez

> Am I making myself perfectly
>clear?

A masterpiece of clarity Doug!  One solution I've seen is to put NORM in
the subject line (Non Origami Related Material)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - now featuring soda syphons!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos





From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@HMCO.COM>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Fun in mathematics

>those  wonderful books published by Dawber Kindersley, which will surely
>reveal the magic of mathematics to the most resistant sceptic. It is "How
>Mathematics Works" by Carol Voderman.

I believe the publisher is actually Dorling Kindersley, or simply DK.





From: Terrence Rioux <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:03:36 -0400
Subject: Practical Military Fabric Origami: was Origami and Laundry

Bernie Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM> said:
>I bet that sailors never had to deal with fitted sheets..:o)  /bernie\

No, but in boot camp we had to make up our bunks (in the navy we called
them 'racks,' and for good reason) with hospital corners.  The Company
Commander (equivalent to the Drill Instructor in the Army and Marine
Corps would come by for inspection, and if he couldn't bounce a dime a
certain height, your carefully made up bunk was torn apart to be made up
and inspected again, and again, and again... Personally, I'd rather deal
with fitted sheets!

But actually, the precise folding of ones clothing turned out to be very
practical. Aboard ship space is at a premium. Our racks were actually
metal trunks with a mattress on top.  There was about 4 inches from my
nose to the rack above me. Everything we owned had to fit inside, and if
everything wasn't neatly folded and arranged, you'd have a pile left on
the deck (that's floor for you landlubbers), which would not have been
tolerated, of course.  Also, after a month or so at sea, the ship would
put into a port, which had, err, umm, unauthorized "entertainment
facilities" close by.  After a night of, umm, entertainment, including
perhaps an altercation or two, one could brush off the dirt, whatever,
from one's liberty uniform, carefully fold and store it in one's rack,
and the next time you wore it, the uniform would be perfectly pressed.
Remember, this was many years ago when I was an impressionable young
sailor... as a geezer I would never frequent those, ahh, 'facilities'
today... one can have one's nose rearranged only so many times in one's
life and still use it for functions like breathing.

To this day my wife is highly amused that I still fold my underwear the
old military way! Maybe that's what got me started in this paperfolding
thing!  Any other 'old salts' out there -- US, RN, RAN, French, Italian,
whatever navy?

Cheers,
Terry Rioux





From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:13:50 -0400 (
Subject: Re: term for person who does origami

In a message dated 7/16/99 12:03:04 AM, Christopher Holt writes:

> From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
>  >
>  > Both "origamist" and "origamian" are acceptable. Other forms include
>  > "origami artist" and "paperfolder". I prefer the latter.
>  >
>   I prefer "papersmith" myself. All the best - c!

By analogy with similar english words, shouldn't a papersmith be
someone like Michael La Fosse, who makes his own paper from
scratch?

If you are just doing origami, and not also making the paper,
I think "paperwright" would be the appropriate word in that direction;
more precise and less misleading.

Aloha,
Kenneth Kawamura    ( kenny1414@aol.com )





From: Michael Janssen-Gibson <mig@ISD.CANBERRA.EDU.AU>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:33:03 +1000
Subject: Re: [NO] Origami and the Discworld

On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Doug and Anna Weathers wrote:

> Strangely, I can't recall the
> math-working camels.  Maybe because it was in the one where Death joins the
> foreign legion to forget.

I think the camels turned up in "Pyramids". I also remember an origami
reference in "Men at Arms", where the night watch had discovered a piece
of paper relating to a crime. To paraphrase heavily, it went something
like:

"What can you make of it, Searge?"
"Well I could make a chrysanthemum, or a boat, or maybe a paper hat"

regards,
Michael





From: Thoki Yenn <thok@THOK.DK>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:21:58 +0200
Subject: Sv:      Re: Origami List: YES...NO!

Why noy just write
for Geezers only

Kalmon the Great and Glorious
www.thok.dk
thok@thok.dk
